🌱│gardening

[supple stone]

Whoa now, using the word 'awe' might be over selling it just a tad don't you think?

[neat vortex]

Not at all! I actually had a little "whooah" moment

I love concise, clear, and comprehensive explanations that fit in one sentence; I find them elegant (lol, as I said previously)

[slow flame]

I got a batterfly recipe for jars, how do I use it?

[neat vortex]

Once you unlock and purchase the Preserves Jar recipe at level 8 gardening, you can craft one, place it on your plot if you have a free crafter license, and put beans in the jar to make canned beans

[slow flame]

Does it sell more than regular beans?

[neat vortex]

unstarred beans make unstarred ones, and vice versa

Yes, but if you have idle time to let it process, seeds are likely still better unless you have need of QualityUp fertilizer

(which you might, if you're still below level 25)

[dim nest]

Hi! Does anyone know with the new updates if we will get more soil patches for gardening?

[neat vortex]

No new soil plots this update, and none announced as planned

[supple stone]

Haha, well ty then. Feel free to poach it!

[dim nest]

ah okay, thank you!!

[supple stone]

To be fair though, if any update was going to stealth add more soil, I could see it being when they add animal husbandry as we might end up needing to grow food for the animals
I don't think they would add more soil though, even for this

[dim nest]

that does make sense, i feel like the amount we have now for crops and then for animals might not be enough

[supple stone]

It's enough

It will just add a different dynamic to what is more profitable as the animals will have stuff you get from them too

So instead of growing 1 bok choy to seed and sell, you might grow wheat/corn/whatever chickens actually eat to get eggs to cook or sell

That's if we even need to feed them. Might not need to

[olive pumice]

I could see them introducing special "livestock feed"that we have to buy exclusively at badruu's or something

[supple stone]

Yeah, maybe, would probably be more than what we could make ourselves if so, or at least I'd guess so

[floral talon]

Naoi is into cattle badruu is crops xd

[supple stone]

Yeah, but Badruu is the one who stands by the only cash register they have there

Unless they make it a new skill! And Nai'o is the guild representative, with a guild shop where you buy it.
That could actually be cool.

[loud skiff]

I kind of hope it would be a new skill.

I feel they could add a few more skills.

[dim nest]

ah yeah thats true

[supple stone]

Can I have a luck skill please? As it levels up, you get better luck

[floral talon]

I hoped at potion makinv as new skill but alas only a shop

[loud skiff]

maybe a food item that increases luck, like lucky duck platter

[supple stone]

Yeah, that would have been cool

[supple stone]

I'd take it haha
I'd take anything that helped

[olive pumice]

In my defense, I'd imagine any livestock feed would be crop -based 😄

[loud skiff]

yeah, I'm betting lots of grains, like corn

it would be nice if there were livestock that would wander around your plot eating weeds

[supple stone]

Just as long as there was no chance of them accidentally damaging the crop too and regressing the growth slightly

[whole hamlet]

Hi friends, what are some ways to increase gardening quickly? Desperate to reach lvl 8, currently 6

[supple stone]

Only ways to level gardening faster are having more soil plots and ensuring you always have crops planted and growing (so weeded/watered every hour you play).
You get the same exp per tile per day for all crops, so it doesn't really matter what you plant for levelling up

[neat vortex]

But the Phoenix Shrine upgrades to focus bonus percentage also help with leveling in general! Caps at 100 percent (double XP) as long as you have enough in your focus bar

[slim osprey]

Is anyone else's garden not showing fertlizer numbers on each tile properly since the new update? I like to stack each tile with plenty of extra fertilizer but most of the tiles aren't showing how many anymore.

[rustic tapir]

Check if the tile already buffed by the same buff from another crop

Also ferts bugs and disappears every now and then

[supple stone]

By any chance are the affected crops multi-tile crops (eg blueberries, apples) that cross the border of 2 or more soil plots?
My only fertiliser atm is on single tile crops and I've had no issues, but used to have issues with larger crops crossing boundaries

[supple stone]

This should just mean the fertiliser isn't used. It shouldn't cause the amount of fertiliser to not be displayed

[dim wyvern]

Heya! Does anyone have a garden layout that features all current crops and and requires as little maintenance as possible? With full use of fertilizers ofc.

I wanna go for semi-AFK all in one place build, not really looking to minmax profits

I've been trying layout gen but it always deselects one crop type. Not only that but the generated layouts are very uggo and chaotic unfortunately

[supple stone]

Yeah, that generator is imperfect. Someone here said that site is going through a complete rewrite though

Is this just for profits from processing it yourself, or are there any crops you'd want more of for cooking /cooking parties/recipes?

[dim wyvern]

It's for solo processing for the most part

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

Astrea recently posted this one which I think is rather good. There're others with 1 apple tree instead

If you search in this channel for 'everything garden' you will get a bunch of hits (filter by images or links) btw
They are fairly common requests

If you think you'll want to be making a bunch of honey lures or fruit smoothie bowls, then the one with 2 apple trees is probably a good choice
Also, apples are the best lazy crop due to how infrequently they need harvesting, so having 2 of them is rather convenient

[dim wyvern]

tyvm!

[neat vortex]

The normal way of things is that the fertilizer count doesn't show in the Examine info when the crop is getting the buff from a neighbor. When the companion planting buffs were not visible due to a bug, fertilizer counts always showed because nothing was displaying to override it. Unless you meant the particle effects and pink kernels on the tile?

[supple stone]

Guess I'm just too inexperienced with fertiliser then =/

Ty Ren-sensei

[neat vortex]

You DO take pains to avoid/minimize it, while my usual (inefficient) layout uses 43 per tick 😂 so it's understandable

DS is a lot better at working cotton into layouts than I am, for similar reasons

we all have our strengths

[supple stone]

True, and probably have never used it on a crop that gets the boost from an adjacent crop...

43 fert /t though, damn

(And yeah, that's not a lot compared to some layouts, I know)

[neat vortex]

It's a fair bit!

but it's the tradeoff for wanting apples and bushes in a linear layout

(bushes alone you can get away with a lot less)

[dark escarp]

I don't know if this conversation is farming related but why do ppl pickled vegetables if the amount is the same/1 gold more ? Or is it because it refills more focus?

[clear kindle]

pickling or seeding crops is always worth more than the raw crop. if comparing the gold, make sure that you are comparing non-starred crops with non-star seed/preserves the same with star crops. apples for example sell for 64/96g (non starred/starred) and apple jam (the preferred way of processing apples) is 96/144

[ruby seal]

Preserving gives like +50 % to the final price.
An I personaly eat mainly canned beans as Im producing lot of them and they are good source of focus.

[dark escarp]

Ohhhh okay I see I was looking at my starred crops price with the non-starred picked price

Thanks for explaining

[ruby seal]

yrw

[neat vortex]

+50% to the final price for everything but beans and pumpkins 😩
which is ngl the only reason canned beans are even close to being competitive as focus food - because they don't immediately become too expensive to eat

(compared to focus amount yielded)

[ruby seal]

Thanks for the addition. I never looked into it in detail. I've been growing 2x2 plants primarily, so I'll probably have to look for a better scheme.
But I will see. I have enough money from cooking right now.

[neat vortex]

I will say, canned beans? GREAT choice for people who don't want to or can't cook, or whose only good option is cooking alone (which is tedious, not to mention expensive)

[floral talon]

bruh farms weed slmao

typo was unintended^

[wind aspen]

I mean if it works it works 😂

[bleak grove]

Guys, since higher level of farming provides better quality of crops... Is there some point of level that provides ONLY starred crops without using quality up fertilizer?

[floral talon]

25with starerd seeds
38without

[supple stone]

Beat me to it hehe

[clear kindle]

same here

[floral talon]

XD

[bleak grove]

Nicee tyy

thats good to hear ;333

[vernal merlin]

What’s the current best crop to mass grow for profit , I’m doing tomatoes but was wondering what was the most efficient one

[floral talon]

if ur not running into procesisng issues bokchoi seeded

[supple stone]

Depends how you measure efficiency.
Bok Choy is the most profitable crop, but requires replanting every 3 days.
Potatoes are next in line, just over 80% as much profit as Bok Choy, replant every 5 days.
Rice is 3rd, 3 days. Just under 75% profit compared to Bok Choy
Tomato is 4th, 67% profit compared to Bok Choy but regrows and lasts 10 days

Then Apples, which are probably the most convenient crop, only needing replanting every 30 days, are 57% as profitable as Bok Choy

But I'd personally advise making the whole setup water/weed proof personally

[covert kettle]

I don't see how you're getting that profit margin.

There is no profit at all in seeding or preserving anything when all your crops are star quality.

[supple stone]

Sorry, but you are very incorrect there

[covert kettle]

Prove it

I'm looking at it right now

[supple stone]

Reg Bok Choy seeds sell for 15g, Stars sell for 22g

That's 88g for 4 star seeds, when the starred crop sells for 45

Just under double the profit

[covert kettle]

Hmm maybe it's because the seed maker doesn't show star prices but my inventory does

[supple stone]

Let's take Bok Choy preserves too, 45g star base sell price, 67g star preserve price (so 50% profit)

[supple stone]

This is correct, the crafters show what the result would be if unstarred only

[covert kettle]

Ok let me check the hq seeds in my bank

[stable ginkgo]

Most people get confused by the ability to profit from seeds because they don’t realize you get multiple seeds from 1 crop typically. Maybe this is also something you missed.

[covert kettle]

No I knew that

It's break even if your nq to hq despite ratios but I have to look at hq in my bank

[supple stone]

Thing is, even if a starred Bok Choy gave unstarred seeds, you'd be looking at a 33% profit still - 45g for selling the starred crop outright vs 60 for selling 4 unstarred seeds. So still profit

Granted, Bok Choy is perhaps an outlier in that it gives a lot of profit

[covert kettle]

They really need to improve the interface for everything in this game

The difference between an nq and hq seed is ridiculous

[supple stone]

Preserves are almost always 50% increase to value, rounded down and starred is also 50% increase to value on everything

[supple stone]

50%, like anything starred

Not that ridiculous

[stable ginkgo]

The only interface that I really dislike is the cooking ingredients lists.

[supple stone]

Completely agree with that haha

[covert kettle]

One hq bok choy is 45g. It makes 4x hq seeds which is 88g that's very nearly 100%

Are you guys buying all your planting seeds from zeki?

[stable ginkgo]

Pretty much everyone uses the seed maker.

[covert kettle]

Yeah me too

[clear kindle]

make my own and keep what i need to replant, everything else gets sold. the only time i buy seeds from zeki is if i accidentally pick a crop i didn't want to pick

[covert kettle]

But it sounds more profitable to buy nq when your guaranteed to hq results

[clear kindle]

but if you're already making seeds, you might as well just use what you got right there instead of running all the way to zeki's every so often to buy more

[supple stone]

Nah, you buy for double the sell price, so more than you would gain from selling the starred seed

Think Bok Choy in Zeki's would be 30g, as opposed to you selling the starred seed for 22g

[covert kettle]

Ok

[supple stone]

So if you were to sell the starred seeds and buy regular, make a 8g loss per seed

[stable ginkgo]

You can argue that it might be beneficial if you are doing preserves as it lets you have more preserves jars. Although I believe when I ran the numbers it was still just slightly worse. However if you aren’t playing 24/7 you can get quite a bit of seeds from just 1-2 seed makers.

[covert kettle]

Starting to think i need adhd meds or something.

Rabbit holes are bugging me out

[stable ginkgo]

You sound like you’re interested in the specifics of gardening. If you want to mess around with different scenarios, I’ve got a variable sheet you can play around with https://www.aqajj.net/palia-notes

[covert kettle]

I've been there done that for years. And I know those numbers yall are giving used to be the norm. Somehow my brain is fubared trying to rethink it.

276 gardening atm

[stable ginkgo]

Oh dayum

[covert kettle]

I've been trying to rethink it for beans and pumpkins and it got me in a tizzy

[olive pumice]

That's what too many numbers do to my brain, in general. I cede the calculations to the better equipped

(and I appreciate you guys!)

[covert kettle]

Every time I looked at sed maker prices or preserves prices vs the result in my pocket it was break even somehow. Anyway seems OK now.

[supple stone]

Sounds like you've played so long that you forgot what normal quality was 😄

[covert kettle]

Nq is just so irrelevant after such a short period of time.

[supple stone]

For gardening, yeah

[astral ledge]

heya! not sure if this is the right channel, but does anyone know if the ||mature flow trees|| need to be watered again after they drop their seed, and if yes, how many times?

[covert kettle]

Nope once you get the seed that's it forever.

[errant thunder]

has anyone found a way to place some kind of written sign so we can label what's in seed collectors and preserver barrels?

[mint sandal]

Only sign that can be bought is the one from tour board

[errant thunder]

but can you write on it? I can never rmember what is in all the barrels and seed makers lol

[mint sandal]

It's the whole point of that sign (writing on). Though you can just open the seeders and preserves to see what's inside, idk why you'd need a sign

[errant thunder]

Thanks, would be a bit too expensive to buy over 20 signs though 😔

[supple stone]

I have also wanted to sign up my seeders before haha, if only there was another cheaper sign 😄

Uhhh, but it's you saying incorrect information?
The question was specifically about watering it after the flow tree has fully grown and given you its seed.
At this point, there is no additional benefit to watering the tree anymore - so Iridean was correct.

[supple stone]

So, sorry for the conflicting information here, but after any (non-apple) tree has fully grown (and given you a seed for you to replant), there will be no further bar for watering it after this, on any subsequent day. There is no benefit to watering it. No further growth, no further seed.
You can plant the new seed and get another seed from that when it has fully grown though.
I feel mud may have missed the bit where you specified after getting a seed from the tree.

[chrome elk]

I finally got pumpkin seeds 😭

[supple stone]

I wish they had stealth buffed pumpkins along with the stealth nerf to beans

[astral ledge]

thank you so much to everyone who answered ❤️

[supple stone]

So with harvest boost buff, you either get the buff or you don't.
The single tile plants tend to give 2 crops per harvest without harvest boost and 3 with it.
The chance of you getting the extra crops depends on how many days the plant had harvest boost, either from fertiliser or an adjacent plant (rice, wheat, corn, blueberries, beans, apples). For adjacent plants, it must be directly adjacent and not diagonal.
If the plant takes 4 days to grow and you have harvest boost buff on it for 2 days, you get a 50% chance of bonus crops at harvest.

As for starred produce, using starred seeds and having a higher gardening level mean that you get a higher chance of starred stuff when harvesting. This IS a good thing as they are worth more.
Any starred item can be used in place of a regular non starred item in cooking, if this is why you don't want starred stuff

(I would advise getting the lockbox recipe from Tish's cash register if you haven't, as you can put any starred items you don't want to use for recipes in here. I tend to do this for things like starred spices, and bring them out for annoying dishes only. This way, you will only use starred items from your inventory or main storage, not the lockbox)

[lilac walrus]

My madness on canning apples and potatoes for profit is… something

[supple stone]

I would advise changing the settings to account for your gardening level. That quality up fertiliser is wasted. You'll be level 9 minimum for apple trees, probably at least level 10 if you have 3. This means that your chance of producing starred produce is actually at least 70%. Higher if your gardening is more than 10.
Just using quality fert or quality buff from adjacent crops is enough, as they do not stack.
Other than that, I see what you're going for with the layout 👍

[wanton saddle]

Thanks a lot!

[loud skiff]

have you restarted game or left your plot and came back yet? If not, I'd suggest trying those things first.

[cerulean glade]

I’ve done both of those. Also tried switching to a different plot to see if it would re appear.

[supple stone]

That's very odd. How did you redesign? Did you clear the whole garden and let it un-till so you could pick the soils up, or did you just move the soil plots to different spot without clearing it?

[cerulean glade]

I group moved two at the same time with some crops on them and when I put it down only one showed up. 🥲

[neat vortex]

Sometimes it happens when group-moving them that they end up stacked together

like on top of each other - could that maybe have happened here?

[cerulean glade]

Definitely possible since it’s not letting me plant on certain spots even those it’s tilled.

[cerulean glade]

Is there a way to fix this or should I just submit a ticket?

[supple stone]

Can you not move it and see if anything is left underneath?

[floral talon]

u sure stuff isnt in the correct spot but just not showcased inthe correct spot?

water every tile abit so it will update if thats the case

[neat vortex]

I fell back asleep, but Cys said what I was gonna say

[agile trellis]

Are starred fruits guaranteed to give starred seeds?

[worn pivot]

This has been my experience. I've been turning starred cabbage into seeds and gotten 100% starred seeds.

[floral talon]

yes starred produce gets processed by the rafters in starred seeds or starred jars only
though u sometimes get a bonus regular seed on some crops

[broken token]

I don’t know if this has been asked but can I have max amount of farm plots on different home plots?

[agile trellis]

Thanks

[cerulean glade]

I’ve moved it a few times and nothing shows up. I’ll just put in a ticket I guess 🥲

[supple stone]

Get this question all the time 🙂
But no. 9 soils across all home plots.

[supple stone]

Damn. Sorry we couldn't help out in the end then, but good luck with the ticket!

[broken token]

Thank you!

[bright helm]

anyone got a good layout for experience farming? im nearly level 10 and i wanna just speed on to levle 10 so i can get my apples

[floral talon]

every crop is the same xp per tile per growthtick

[bright helm]

oh?

[floral talon]

so whatever u can keep growing the most would be most xp

[bright helm]

fair enough

[supple stone]

If you want to level gardening quicker:

1. Ensure you have all soil plots bought asap
2. Increase your focus boost amount at the Phoenix Shrine and ensure that when harvesting crops you always have enough focus
3. Always have crops planted and growing in every available slot you have
4. Always have all crops watered/weeded and always harvest and replant as soon as ready. Having longer-life crops and a layout that prevents needing to water/weed daily can make this easier

As Duh said, all crops give the same exp over time

[quick mist]

So I've come to terms a way to be extremely effiecient, is by rotating all crops at the same time, kept fertilized, and balanced where weed and water management is do-able.

And with that, just rotate seeds out slowly from the seeder "excess" slots. So, in words... to me.. dedicating each seeder to a type of crop.

We have 16 produce types.... so I'm either with 15 or with 18 / 3 per seeder. So, I'd need 5-6 seeders. I cook a lot, so no problem. Am THINKING of leaning to 6 seeders, so then two slots is dedicated to cotton seeds (and the apple trees) given the quick rotation of cotton, and very slow rotation of apple trees.

Anyone got advice how reasonable this sounds?

[floral talon]

i have aabsolutely no clue what point ur trying to make XD

[inner magnet]

Just have a quick question. I'm following Aqajj's bok choy/rice/wheat layout. Do they sell raw bok choy or seed/preserve?

[quick mist]

Maximizing storage of a high cook/garden rotation. Is it unreasonable to use 5-6 seeders for "storing" 30 seeds apiece in?

[floral talon]

SEED unles ur seeders cant keep up then u sell some directly

[inner magnet]

Ok ty!

[floral talon]

oh if ur struggling with storage then using the seeders as storage for ur seeds makes sense
though seeders dont store as many items as a smelter or sawmill so i would prioritise using those as storage first
but i guess u can do that

[quick mist]

Thank you - I had been using the sawmills like that. Made me wonder about whether or not normalizing all seeds to be stored in a seeder made sense. I actually am good at rotating my garden 1-2 times a day.

[floral talon]

i mean idk the exact things ur running into but using crafters as storage is valid like i dont bother to empty mine unles i need space for new stuff anyways or when i need the actual items stored inside em

[quick mist]

I keep all veggies in the garden (except cotton) so I'd been seeding, canning/preserving, and cooking at a high rotation.

Thinking about going back into cotton, but my DIYs normally don't include fabric as normally... but with these fancier tools like honeylures, bottles, etc. it's really making me rethink this.

I might avoid cotton altogether. If I'm using it for tools strictly, that's just a cheap buy.

[neat vortex]

I'm a little confused about why you would need to store seeds in your seeders and not simply in your storage

at least seeds for replanting

[stable ginkgo]

I store seeds in my seeders because I bought 2K+ snowballs and my storage was full before the update HAHAH

[neat vortex]

LOL well

[stable ginkgo]

Thanks for using the layout! I hope you enjoy it and get ready for a lot of gold to enter your inventory.

[floral talon]

i dont pull seeds out till i need to seed other stuff unles one stash of seeds ran out
id o it to save work but yes it would save storage space aswell
produce in now u need to seed again pull seeds out use osme to reseed sell excess or remove less of em

[inner magnet]

Thank you for all the work and calculations you put into it! I'm playing again after six months or so and just wanted a refresher ^.^

[neat vortex]

The difficulty with storing seeds in your seeders is that, at least for me, that will limit how many crops a seeder can process for profit before the bin fills. As it stands all of the 1:4 crops will only process 16 items before stalling.

[supple stone]

The only crop I'd consider storing seeds in a seeder for are Beans really. If I had more apples, maybe them too.
But my seeders are always running, so makes no sense to keep stuff in them just to mean I have to come back and empty it sooner

[stable ginkgo]

I guess I really only store preserves for a long time. For the seeders I take out the seeds when I put in more seeds but I leave them in there until the next cycle.

[supple stone]

Oh yeah, no rush on preserves thankfully

[neat vortex]

Yeah, this is what I do, too

(though I don't store my preserves, since I have no use for them other than selling them)

[floral talon]

no no u do not undertstand me
i dump stuff in > it is done > i dont bother to empty > i have ot dump stuff in buyt no space >i clear it and dump next in

[clear kindle]

i just keep everything in the seeders and preserve jars until the preserve jars are nearly full then go through and take everything out for one massive gold buy (last one i did netted me around 78k) but i'm also only doing two crops so kinda moot point

[dreamy lark]

How can i maximize this farming layout?

[floral talon]

water retain weedblock are almost maxed out but not completely and the hb can be 100%ed

[dreamy lark]

How would i reorganize this to 100% at least some of them. I would prefer apples in center as when it is not it gets glitched.

[floral talon]

the glitch is only visual though

the latter one isnt made by me but by anna

i got no clue why u want 2 blueberrrys and 2 spicypeppers though

[dreamy lark]

thank you but why do you say this?

[floral talon]

u must cook alot with spicypeppers as the peppercutter to need 2 of em
and start alot of cake recipes to need 2 blueberrys

[dreamy lark]

Oh. I jelly them. I have a preserve for each and like to keep then stocked. Is there a preferred crop that can replace them?

[floral talon]

well blueberrys are kinda meh spicypeppers have a completely useless buff as u get 100% star quality eventually by ur lv bonus

also 2x2s are really hard to properly combine wiht apples and apples have a use for sop manyu things

[floral talon]

depends on ur goals

[dreamy lark]

Profits?

[floral talon]

ic bokchoi potatos 😄 are hte most coins if u seed em of all the crops but u wanna have hb to cuz otherwise it be a waste and who wanna water i think u dont or weed im sure u wont

[dreamy lark]

LOL my layout is a Frankenstein of this one. I just didnt like the apples over there man. The visual glitch was all the pain.

[floral talon]

its all good we can keep looking for a layout that suits u through this does palce an extra limitation on what layouts u can run and maybe land u a slightly worse one

[dreamy lark]

There has to be something nice with Apples in the center somwhere. I dont mind trading out one of the two blueberries and pepper but i already have so much bok choy and potatoes in my seeder

[neat vortex]

If you like digging into numbers, this may be of interest:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1516533569#gid=1516533569 (Crop Revenue Comparisons sheet)

Seeder, singular?

[dreamy lark]

ssssss

I have 6 running them

[floral talon]

so u want one apple and want it centered

[dreamy lark]

Yes. Pls

[neat vortex]

Maybe Ilyeana's?
edit: this one - #🌱│gardening message
though it needs some fertilizer to bring the HB up to 100% I think

[floral talon]

yeay then u need one of the cross ones though im not sure if u want hte 2x2s u can bring that one to 100% harvest boost with fertiliser

[neat vortex]

Yeah, the cross layout would also be good, or perhaps the diamond layout

[floral talon]

😮 yeay diamond layout would work to though it would have 4 apples on their own soil but not center

[neat vortex]

I think that's what is meant by "centered"

[dreamy lark]

i'm listening

[neat vortex]

because they don't get the visual glitch if they're not cross-plot

At least, on my alt they never did

[neat vortex]

Here is the Cross Layout by Astrea Moreno:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HPRBkOWRWBk-OBkTPRPTWO-RBkT.HWOPBkWR-PTOBkRWOTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTOWRBkOTP-RWBkPOWT.HBkR-OWTPRPTBkO-BkWRWOBkRPT.H_D180L25Cr0.RS3-BkS5-TP2-OP2-WS2-PS3-CrP (high-revenuelayout plus one apple tree, basically)

[floral talon]

my current layout doe shave the glitch but idc aslong as i dont have to do more then harvest and seed and apply fert

[neat vortex]

And this is the Diamond Layout (4 apple trees, otherwise cash crops, designed to balance revenue with less replanting labor)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HBkWTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkW.HTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTWBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTW.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-OTWBkP.HBkWTO.H
You can swap the wheat for rice for higher revenue; or it could be corn, if you want to focus on preserves/replant it less often

ehhh some of these links predate when you could save the processors, so shuffle those around before comparing numbers

[floral talon]

im so happy growthtick value is back

[dreamy lark]

Okay. I'm still listening but do you know any one that has more preserves than seeders? I can switch things up for more seeders but if there were a layout.

[floral talon]

ig ot more jars hten seeders but then again 6 apple layout ...

[dreamy lark]

So apples only lololol.

[floral talon]

yeay i wanted to have a 7 afk apple layout but we cant due to a bug hehe

[neat vortex]

The difficulty is that of the top few cash crops, only one is preserves (tomatoes), and the rest (bok choy, potatoes, rice) are seeders.

for best results, anyway

Looking at only crops that can be preserved, the ranking is bok choy, potatoes, tomatoes, corn, apples

[dreamy lark]

I think i'm going to work with this after i've stocked up on my blueberry and peppers and see how this high revenue layout goes. I will have to replace wheat with corn for preserves of course x

[neat vortex]

Yepyep

If you don't NEED apples, you can also use the Bullseye

but I like the cross layout, tbh. It's very visually satisfying lol

[clear kindle]

currently rocking 8 preserve jars and 2 seeders, preserve jars are for apples and the seeder does beans

[dreamy lark]

I gave up on beans too longgg

TY @neat vortex @floral talon

[neat vortex]

They're shorter now, shorter than apples

[clear kindle]

though they do take now 2 beans to 1 seed

[neat vortex]

1 hr 25 min iirc

yep, so you rip through 'em much faster

but they're on par with apples/onions/carrots now, more or less

[clear kindle]

hey, every three days or so i get around 77k gold from those apples and beans. still nothing to laugh at and i don't have to do anything for them

[floral talon]

sylva enjoyign them lazy gardening XD u do the one with blueberrys on the side now right?

[clear kindle]

yep, just 2 blues and 2 beans. i actually had to redirect my one seeder for apples to beans because i was harvesting too many of them

[floral talon]

are u gonna switch to blues over beans now or not since beans nerfed and i havent done the new whats best list yet idk whats best now

[clear kindle]

probably stick with beans despite the nerf, simply because i don't want to detract from the apple jams. i think i'll hurt a lot of people's souls by saying i'd be seeding the blueberries which take 4 to get 2 seeds

also, again, i'm not in need of gold and just keeping my garden growing for the crafters to have something to do

[floral talon]

fair fair i mean id switch to bnlues in ur case cuz they need less harvesting and replanting but thats just me man mayb ei shoudl switch to the lazy jam layout

[clear kindle]

i mean, blueberry seeds are worth 168g (for star quality) so might be worth it?

[floral talon]

oh right using storage as coins apple seeds moment lmao

hey sylva if u got to many zeki coins go get every zeki coin item XD

[clear kindle]

that's the goal (unfortunately, rather spend the gold on something that i would rather have) i'm already at 796k gold so i'll need to buy more sometime in the next 6 days or so depending on how much i go hunting and such

[mint sandal]

Oh, so that's what the nerf is. I seen people mention beans got nerfed but I didn't know how. So is it better to preserve them intead of turning them into seeds now?

[clear kindle]

i think pretty much, as canning still give a 1:1 result, only takes 33 minutes, and give 41/61 gold. i just need something to put into the seeders that i have which is why i'm still going with bean seeds

also, canned beans give 190/285 focus

[mint sandal]

I use bean burgers (if I went to a party) or soon tofu as focus food. Crops all go towards profit by either being preserved or seeded. I keep a stock of maybe 50-70 of each for cooking purposes and about 150 rice in case I feel like joining an epic sushi/sashimi party. If I run out of storage I will seed it though, it's easy enough to go buy rice if I need it

[slow flame]

Hello my beautiful palia buddies. 😄

[neat vortex]

No, seeds are still better gold per bean

But it's 68 vs 61, so not as drastic a difference as it was

42.5 minutes per bean as seeds, 33 minutes per bean as preserves

25.5g value added as beans, 19g value added as preserves

eeyikes, batterfly beans as canned beans is only barely better than selling bok choy raw, in terms of gold per tile per tick. lol

(selling bok choy raw is better per tile per tick than processed napa cabbage...)

[neat vortex]

urk, bean seeds are 18g per crafter slot hour, that's awful

If only the dang canned beans didn't produce qualityup I would actually consider canning and worming them

more math on that here: #🌱│gardening message

blehhhh, can + worm for the beans is just under 26g per crafter slot hour (21g/hr for just the worm farm) and can only run for 19 canned beans before it stalls.

ngl I just stopped processing my beans altogether because both options feel so bad

[mint sandal]

Ok, so then for me since I play just casually, preserves indeed are better for beans cause I just stick my crops in the crafters, forget about them for anywhere between a couple hours to a couple of days, then sell the products. Cause 30 beans will net me 30 cans vs 30 beans netting me 15 bags of seeds

[neat vortex]

Yep

well, 32 beans netting you 16 bags of seeds at 90g each, but yeah

It still processes the full hopper

I would argue that if you're setting-and-forgetting, the seeds are a better use of your idle time

[mint sandal]

I was comparing 30 with 30 since that's the limit you can put in preserves (well technically 31 but seeds need 2 bean so 30 it is)

[neat vortex]

Seeds need 2, so 2 go in, then 30 go in on top

...as you were saying

[mint sandal]

But preserves is max 31, hence the need to round down to do my comparison

[neat vortex]

Yeah

Well, if they're both processing 30 beans... then wouldn't you want more gold per bean?

I might be thinking about this backwards, I'm not sure

[mint sandal]

Which is cans?

[neat vortex]

cans is 61

[mint sandal]

Ok, so yeah, for me cans are still better cause you either get 30 cans for a total of 1830g or 15 seeds for a total of 1020g

[neat vortex]

?_?

Bean seeds are still 135g starred (67.5 gold per bean) - sorry, I misspoke earlier with the 90g

[mint sandal]

I'm so confused

What are seeds worth vs cans? Just 1 of each? Cause clearly the 68 and 61 were not it

[neat vortex]

Ahaha, it's confusing...

Canned beans:
1 bean -> 1 canned beans (61g starred) @ 61g per bean
30 beans = 1,830g

Bean seeds:
2 beans -> 1 bean seed (135g starred) @ 67.5g per bean
30 beans = 2,025g

(I had sloppily rounded that up to 68 for the comparison)

my 61 vs. 68 was the per-crop value, not the per-item value — sorry for the confusion!

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that tripped me up lol

I read to fast and missed the by bean part

[neat vortex]

well, beans

[mint sandal]

*per bean
My brain is dead lol

Can't English

[ruby seal]

I came up with some noodle design and was surprised that it actually makes quite a lot money (~854 * 3 = ~2562 qold in crops per harvest).

But there are definnitely better money makers and the Diamond Layout looks incredible.

[loud skiff]

is there a simple garden layout that balances gold/income with growing veggies for early game cooking?

[supple stone]

For early game, you just need a bunch of different crops. Search 'bullseye cash crops' in this channel and you should find a decent one. Just remember that you can swap out any 1 tile crops that have the same buff for each other - so bok choy, onion and carrots are interchangeable for their buff, as are tomatoes/potatoes/cabbage and so is wheat/rice /corn
Just where you have 2 different crops from the same buff type next to each other, make sure they stay different

I'd link it for you myself but it with bad signal, so searching in the channel myself is a struggle

[loud skiff]

#🌱│gardening message

Maybe I'm more mid game than early game then. I have beans, blueberries, apple trees, pumpkins, etc.

[supple stone]

OK, maybe search 'everything garden'
Not sure Astrea had that term in the layout they shared recently with 2 apple trees, but think I recently had it in a message where I linked to it

[loud skiff]

#🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

There are other layouts with just 1 apple tree, but apples are convenient for lures too, so I think having 2 trees is not a bad idea.

[loud skiff]

how do you use apples for lures?

[supple stone]

When you make lures they need 4 apples, 1 gold bar and a dragons beard peat

[loud skiff]

ok, i haven't gotten that far yet then, i'm around lv 10-11 fishing

[supple stone]

Ah, sorry, honey lures for bug catching. Forgot I also found that confusing early on

After level 10 in a skill you've unlocked everything that has a function btw.
Only sort of exception is the well from gardening guild store, which is an expensive guild medal purchase but allows you to refill your watering can

[floral talon]

Sadly not simple ones

[loud skiff]

yeah, I looked at the everything one and it feels more complicated than I really wanted. I don't want to have to open up a web browser on my tablet or phone to refer to an image/layout graphic every time I harvest crops to figure out which seed goes where. I was hoping there'd be a like a really simple layout that was easier to remember even if it's not optimized for yields, like corn goes in this row, apple trees go there, potatoes go in this row, etc.

[supple stone]

Honestly, I just harvest all of 1 crop at a time, replant all of them, then do the same with a different crop.
That's if multiple crops are ready together (which often is not the case)

[loud skiff]

I really wish we could have more garden plots, then I'd just do 1 item per plot

I find it hard to do that, maybe it's because i'm on console. i have to tilt the view to 100 overhead/birdseye view to even see the "(x) harvest" button and then I can barely tell what I'm picking.

[supple stone]

I understand that
If you want a lot of different ingredients for cooking, it will always be a little complicated though

You can make it less complicated if you don't mind watering and weeding yourself every day for sure though

[floral talon]

well layouts do get siompler over time as lower levels need quality up while eventually that becomes useless so u can ditch the cotton

[loud skiff]

i don't mind watering and weeding, i feel like I'm just going to figure out a plan where there's like 2 different vegs per each plot or something with an apple tree or two

[floral talon]

ic ic so basically u just need the HB and quality up plants properly placed to get those buffs on everyhting and put whatever u want in between

do u only need 1x1s? in that layout or also the larger crops

[loud skiff]

I don't even really care about buffs, i just want something easy and simple to remember, if it has buffs great but if not that's fine too. I feel like I either forget to grow something and run out or I have way too many of a few items

[floral talon]

il dig through me lower level layouts

[loud skiff]

thanks, don't put a lot of effort into it. i'm letting my garden all get harvested and i'll redo the layout tonight or tomorrow night

[floral talon]

ok so use this without fert and put whatever the hell u want in the middle lane

[loud skiff]

I'm thinking something like, 2 apple trees in corners, then 1 2x2 plot in each of the other 7 plots surrounded by the other items

[floral talon]

oh u do want the larger ones

[loud skiff]

yeah, i was thinking just like 1 each of the 2x2s to make room for the 1x1s, and then 2 apple trees for apples

I really need to grow a lot of pumpkins for a quest (need 5), but I'm in no hurry so just doing 1 pumpkin atm

[floral talon]

can someone gives this guyt he layout im not the right person to make it

[loud skiff]

It's okay. I feel I'm asking for something that just works for me and not sure anyone here can read my mind.

[supple stone]

Maybe when I'm home, have a rough idea of what might work

[loud skiff]

I'll figure it out. it's not really an optimzed layout or anything. more focused on simplicity

[supple stone]

Could be another hour or so until I'm back though

OK, well if you have any issues, feel free to come back here 🙂

[loud skiff]

Hmmm. I could have 2 apple trees, and then 1 each 2x2, and 3 each 1x1s, and still have ~19 open slots. I felt like there were more crops. I can probably figure this out and keep it simple like that.

[floral talon]

Thats why its so difficult to me like i cannot not optimise buffs but then it wil be complicated to plant

[red sentinel]

Can someone recommend a 100% afk farm that I can make good profit from and tell me which of the crops to turn into jam, seeds, and which to just sell normal?

[clear kindle]

i use the first one but with 2 beans and 2 blues, i just harvest the apples and beans (might switch to blueberries but i'll see)

also harvest the beans for seeds despite it being nerfed

[red sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-notes-gif-17478299096235163441

Got it thank you so much

[humble abyss]

Newish player—do you guys sell your gold star crops or still use them in the seed maker/ preserves crafter? Is there some sort of guideline that dumbs it down for me?

[floral talon]

Guidelines to dumb it down is my specialty
Self use n cooking stockpiles aside
Bokchoi potato seeds
Cotton use to make ur decor and fabric
Jar it
Cant jar seed it

[humble abyss]

Specialty you say?
just who I need (for everyday are you for hire?)
Jokes aside—ty. I appreciate youuu

[floral talon]

Your welcome
And wel can ask me any other palia questions in this server
Or just dm me to give me a dumb this down challenge 🤣

[humble abyss]

I appreciate that. Idk if my brain has just turned to mush or what but Palia gardening feels like the most complicated farming experience I’ve ever had in my gaming career

[floral talon]

No worries we can explain the mechanics here
The dumbed down list assumes ur crafters can keep up otherwide the answer becomes an entire spreadsheet …

[humble abyss]

please…no…more…spread…sheets

[floral talon]

Ikr xd
Theres currently a bug that u cant see ingame what plants get which buff ffom nearby plants but the buffs are there so yeay kinda hard on newbies

[humble abyss]

The buffs DEFINITELY make it more complicated.
I had nooo idea that was a bug though! I only started like a week ago…so normally you can see where the buffs will be applied? Because that’s been one of my only gripes lol

[floral talon]

We use a website to make our layouts u can use it to see what stuff does

[humble abyss]

Is it this one? Cause I was just messing with it before I posted my question lol

Copied this layout I found on an old reddit thread to try and understand buffs a little more lol but I don’t even have apples unlocked yet so

[floral talon]

Mh layouts u find online do tend to be super outdated

[humble abyss]

I was afraid of that. The thread I got that from was from a year ago. I’ll keep an eye out for better plot layouts on here 🙂 and I’ll keep you on speed dial 😂

[floral talon]

I can always make ya a layout i keep an entire library of minmaxed ones xd

[supple stone]

Definitely make it more complicated, but for me, they also make it a bit more interesting 🙂

That old layout isn't terrible tbh (as long as you don't mind weeding)

(I can confirm that Duh is good for finding and linking layouts though)

[dreamy grove]

Why is it that when I plant nonstar ingredient seeds,I get almost always started ingredients from harvest?

Gardening level 27

[clear kindle]

might be an early showing of the level 38 where you'll start getting star crops from non star seeds. especially if you're still getting some non-star crops when you harvest

[dreamy grove]

I get maybe 1 or 2 nonstarred crops when I harvest 10 plants. So one in 10to15. That hurts when I need stuff for cooking

[clear kindle]

it's fine for cooking, you just need to hit the "use star quality" before starting. don't worry, even if you don't have all of the ingredients starred (i usually use star apples and non-star sweet leafs to make petite fives) it will use any star quality first and then use non-starred if you don't have it. if you don't want something that is star quality you can put it into a lock box before cooking

because you are coming up to where you will ONLY get star crops from any seed that you plant

[supple stone]

You have a 79% chance of starred produce from unstarred seeds. 100% starred produce from starred seeds, or from unstarred seed that have quality up buff from fertiliser/cotton/spicy pepper/pumpkins

But as Sylva said, you really don't need unstarred stuff for cooking. 'Use starred ingredients' is very helpful 🙂

[neat vortex]

I saw you talking about maybe breaking up your soil plots to make it easier - do you think a linear layout (not a cube) with apples interspersed would help?

[neat vortex]

They fixed this in the last patch! :D

[floral talon]

oh nice

[neat vortex]

This is the kind of thing I love helping with, as long as you don't mind if I ask you more questions about what you're looking for/what barriers you're running into :)

(I also have somewhat particular needs for my own garden, because I get lost in the 9x9 Garden Cube)

I even think we can get your apple trees buffed while keeping it simple :D

(bushes are more challenging though)

[pseudo hemlock]

Is there a way to clear the garden besides individually? don't know if someone asked this already so i apologies for the duplicate questions x.x

[supple stone]

I'm only aware of using the hoe on each planted crop individually

[placid crystal]

Hey guys question.. I want to build a greenhouse can I actually build soil plots and grow crops inside the greenhouse or are they only grown outside?

[floral talon]

they do not care about other decor
like u coudl box em in so they never get sunlight and it still works XD

[placid crystal]

Ahh okay thank you so much!

[floral talon]

you are welcome

[twilit fiber]

do you make more money from potato seeds vs the pickled potatoes?

[floral talon]

seeds but it will take longer to process if u cant proces everyhting hte math becoems quiet complicated

[forest anvil]

I'm looking for an everything or almost-everything layout for my garden, but the only ones I can find don't seem to take quality into account
I have all quality seeds, and I'm high enough level to have apples and blueberries, but not high enough level to guarantee quality crop without either crop boosts or fertilizer 😔
Are there any that offer this?
I prefer 100% weed block and water retain so I can spend more time exploring and less time babysitting my garden, but I'll sacrifice a little if need be

I am willing to cover everything in quality up fertilizer if that's the only way to make it work just fyi lol

[forest anvil]

I um
I made my best effort but others of y'all can probably see glaring issues I can't lol

[clear kindle]

what level are you exactly?

[forest anvil]

Uuuuuh lemme log in and check

I just know someone mentioned like 25 I think when I searched and I'm like, that ain't me

19!
I thought I was 16 lol but guess it goes up faster now

This was my previous (current I guess?) layout

[clear kindle]

the math for star crops from star seeds is base 50% + 2% per level in gardening so if my math is mathing you have an 88% chance of getting star crops if you are using star seeds. quality up might not be much of a necessity for you since you're so close

[forest anvil]

Hmmm alright! What would you suggest I do instead then?

[clear kindle]

you still want an almost everything layout?

[forest anvil]

Yeah!

[clear kindle]

this one was posted by duhscape. most of the time i just default to him or Ren for layouts

please don't ask how this works as far as preserve jars/seeders as i'm but a humble apple/bean/maybe blueberry farmer

[forest anvil]

....so fair honestly lol

I don't like to put too much thought into that either
Other than preserves for fertilizer and seeds for replanting I mostly just sell the raw crop 😅

But I like to have pretty much all the things for dishes

[clear kindle]

loosing gold on not processing and selling raw but if you're more interested in cooking then i guess it would be alright

[forest anvil]

I'm more just aware I have a decent amount of money so I only process some things

But maybe with the right garden I'll do more, who knows 😌

And some things I have a lot of in my current farm (ahem, cotton) sell best raw lol

[supple stone]

Cotton is best seeded if selling it rather than selling raw, though if growing it I'd usually keep it for fabric

In general, best way to process things for money:
Seed - Bok Choy, Potatoes, Wheat, Rice, Beans, (and cotton if selling it)
Preserve - everything else
(Except cabbage, do whatever with those, it works out exactly the same seeded/preserved)

As DuhScape said, things are more complicated if you can't process everything before your next harvest though.

[supple stone]

At your level, I also wouldn't really bother with quality up. On average, ensuring you get all starred crops would only be around 5% more profit for you per harvest

[neat vortex]

I tend to recommend preserves for cabbage, since it comes out the same either way, but at 6 seeds per cabbage, it jams the seeders REAL quick

And I agree with Cys on the not-bothering-with-QU, but for a different reason: with cooking, after a while unstarred crops become kind of precious. If someone accidentally starts a recipe without clicking "use starred," if nobody cooking with you has regular ingredients for all the things, there's nothing you can do except let the timer run out.

You can buy all of the single-tile crops (and, apparently, pumpkins), but last I checked, blueberries, peppers, and apples can't be purchased unstarred.

I've seen unstarred apples save the day more than once - like a time I was at a bean burger party recently, and the person on buns fumbled and started an apple pie by accident. Since it was an accident, "use starred" obviously wasn't checked, so the folks who had apples and wheat stashed helped keep the party moving and joking about a "snack break" instead of resulting in ruined food and lost time.

though I'm actually about to go check Badruu's farm stand right now to see if the things he sells have changed

The farm stand sells:
carrot 90g
onion 120g
tomato 90g
cotton 180g
potato 180g
wheat 130g
rice 105g
corn 160g
bok choy 120g
napa cabbage 160g
batterfly beans 110g
rockhopper pumpkin 350g

So they're all approximately a 4x markup from their base sell value, rounded to the nearest 10.

And still can't buy peppers, blueberries, or apples.

[forest anvil]

Oh? I find when I look at value of cotton, it goes for more raw than as seeds or as fabric 🤔

[forest anvil]

I think another reason I sell things raw is just cause I imagine you'd need like lots of preserve jars to make all those preserves right? and lots of seed ones? I have three preserve ones and two seed ones atm
and one of each worm farm

[neat vortex]

Keep in mind that you get 3 seeds per cotton, and starred cotton produces starred seeds, which are worth 50% more than the unstarred seeds

So 1 starred cotton (67g) -> 3 starred seeds at 30g each (90g)

[forest anvil]

Oooooh right, that makes more sense
I guess I didn't really take the math into account 😅

I keep thing g is grams instead of gold lol

[neat vortex]

It's true, you do need to commit your crafter slots to it. I have currently... 10 seeders, 10 preserves jars, 2 regular worm farms, and (for lack of anything better to do with the slots and an abundance of staircase mushroom) 5 glow worm farms

But for the amount of effort that the garden requires to grow and keep producing, it's nice to just be able to shove things into my crafters and then log off to sleep, or go run around questing or whatever, and know that I'm making money in Palia the whole time. In the case of bok choy, seeding them nearly doubles their value.

[forest anvil]

I'm not sure how I feel about filling up my lot with like 20 crafters ahahaha....where would I even put them?

[supple stone]

My unstarred apples all got swallowed by lure recipes, oops

[supple stone]

Admittedly, this is an issue.
I have them arranged in a U shape around my workshop pavilion which has my crafting table, forge, repair station and all those sort of things

[chrome elk]

how long does it take for pumpkins to grow 😮‍💨

[supple stone]

15 days total, harvests on days 9, 11, 13, 15 from memory

[pseudo hemlock]

Where do I even get the pumpkins

[lyric swan]

I ended up buying one from Badruu's farm and put it in my seed grinder. Lol.

[supple stone]

This is the cheapest method, yeah. Otherwise, 500 essence for a seed from Tamala EW shop

[pseudo hemlock]

omg thats expensive lol

[floral talon]

u can buy pumpkins at badruus now?

[lyric swan]

Yee! It just opened up for me when I hit level 9.

Iirc it was 350 gold? But don't quote me on that. 😂

[floral talon]

money is definitly cheaper then essence

since when did they add that i even checked badruu first when ew came out

[supple stone]

Latest patch

[floral talon]

sure smart move to buy a produce from BADRUUU and then seed it

[supple stone]

Farmers helping farmers out, no?

[floral talon]

nice

[loud skiff]

I think they are 200 each for a pumpkin, I bought 1, got seeds, and now i have like 8 pumpkins and 3 growing, each seed gives you like ~2-3 pumpkins iirc until you need to replant

[supple stone]

Each seed gives you 8 or 12 pumpkins, depending on whether you have harvest boost or not

[lyric swan]

Nice! I remember I was so happy it only took 1 pumpkin to get seeds. Was worried it was going to be like apples or tomatoes. I have the pumpkin seeds waiting for me when I get home tonight to log on. Very excited!

[raven wyvern]

Can someone please explain HarvestBoost Fertilizer to me like I am a particularly unintelligent toddler?

It seems like if I put it on (once) right after seeding, it doesn't boost anything.

If I put enough stacks to carry it to harvest, it doesn't boost it accordingly. So 5 fertilizer doesn't boost it 5× and is a waste of fertilizer?

Please confirm/advise?

[twilit fiber]

are you planting it next to crops that already provide the harvest boost buff? Fertilizer and the innate buff dont stack

[clear kindle]

Each farming square can have one type fertilizer applied at a time, but you can stack up to 99 fertilizers of the same type on a single square. Each square will consume 1 fertilizer per growth cycle. In order to achieve full benefit of fertilizer, it needs to be consumed every day. E.g. fertilizing a potato (5 day crop) only 4 times with harvest boost fertilizer will give 4/5 chance of getting bonus yield.

[raven wyvern]

No, but that is a valid question ❤

[clear kindle]

each crop only has a maximum of how much you get with the harvest boost. and that is 1.5 the crop. for example, apples without harvest boost gives 16 apples at each harvest. if it has harvest boost on during the entire time of growing you will get 24 (16+8) at each harvest

[raven wyvern]

OMG thank you, that was the information I was missing!

I assumed (bad Cora!) that each cycle with fertilizer increased the yield at harvest by at least 1.

Knowing that it is feeding into a chance of boosting the yield at harvest makes it make sense.

[twilit fiber]

ohhhh
my first time using harvestboost fert i thought i was gonna get a stupid amnt of extra crops on my harvest for superfertilizing it

[clear kindle]

nope, it's just 1.5x the normal amount

honestly any more and gardening would be stupid op

[neat vortex]

lol old reply sorry

[wild pond]

Anyone else seen what looks like old blue-and-white pottery while tilling their soil, but when you check your inventory it's not there?

[loud skiff]

it's something else, it won't be that pottery thing

It might be an quest item, or random object thing, that pottery thing is just a placeholder to show you found something

[wild pond]

Hm, interesting. Nothing's showing up in my quest inventory. Maybe whatever quest it's for hasn't been triggered yet?

[loud skiff]

It might just be a normal item in your inventory or a +1 to something you already had there

[lyric swan]

Yeah. Sometimes it's just like flint or ore or twine from what I've. I think I've only gotten 2 quest items so far from the jars.

[rigid cobalt]

What determines if a fertilizer you use on crops in your garden is consumed by the plant or not? Also what determines if the soil has to be tilled again after harvesting a crop?

[floral talon]

1 it grows on growthtick without having buf from other plant basically
48h irl after beign tilled and not having a plant on it

[dreamy lark]

I know that plants grow when offline. Can someone give me full information about this?

[clear kindle]

they only grow one growth tic when offline and then stop until you're back online

[dreamy lark]

Now if u went offline twice in a plant growth cycle would it count accordingly? Assuming i did spend at least one growth cycle online in between.

[floral talon]

plants grow when ur online at palian 0600 and one time after

[dreamy lark]

good to know! tnx

[cinder crater]

what would you guys say is the most profitable of the veggies?

[clear kindle]

bok choy

bok choy only farms are the best, high maintenance, try hard crop in the game. you get 4 seeds for 1 crop and the crafters stalls after 15-16 bok choy

[supple stone]

I would amend that to Bok Choy only farms are the best if you are happy to apply harvest boost fert so all bok choy gets harvest boost every growth tick AND you water/weed manually every hour you're online.

If you don't want to bother with fert, mostly bok choy with some rice/wheat to give harvest boost to everything becomes better.

If you forget to water/weed even occasionally, this can impact profits quite a bit, to the point it may no longer be better than setups that do not need weeding/watering

[floral talon]

i finally fixed my fertiliser production yey me

just had to grilll WAAAAYYY more fish

[forest anvil]

Speaking of grilled fish, I've found I can only stack three in my fertilizer at a time so I didn't bother using them. Is that normal? Or am I doing something wrong aha
I wasn't trying to stack starred and unstarred, for reference

[forest anvil]

Also: is it best to wait for everything to be harvestable at once or do I just take and replant as they come? (as a random example let's say I had onions and carrots ready to harvest but my corn and cabbages weren't done growing)

[lyric cradle]

Thats entirely up to you. The buffs a crop gives continues to give even when its harvestable. I harvest daily if mine are grown

[forest anvil]

Daily as in game day or irl day?

[lyric cradle]

game day

[forest anvil]

- nod nod - so hourly then
Would you advise stacking fertilizer? My previous garden I was just putting one on each and I'm not sure if it was helping or not aha
Everything I went to weed, water or harvest I had to fertilize everything

[lyric cradle]

The guide will be better than I am at explaining it. but its additive-effectiveness how many days the fertilizer is given to a crop.
ex. You fertilize a crop 4/5 days its grown. Its got an 80% chance to give the buff of the fertilizer (harvest boost fertilizer or quality up fertilizers)

What I do is simply throw 20x fertilizer into a tile so I don't need to worry about it for 20 days. (yes it works, try it out)

[forest anvil]

And will the fertilizer remain even if I harvest a plant and it needs retilling?

[lyric cradle]

yes

[forest anvil]

Oh thank goodness
I'll totally do that then since it seems it won't go to waste
Especially now my new garden won't need fertilizer on near every tile (they pretty much all lack quality boost but I've been told not to care about that? Idk aha I'm trusting y'all)

[lyric cradle]

Quality scales with your lvl. I believe at lvl 35, you don't need any quality at all?
I'm 23 and I get like 95% starred crops at all times

so its negligible at some point to use qual ferts

[forest anvil]

Did you by chance know what the deal is with this one too?
If not no worries, you've already helped soooo much

[forest anvil]

Aaah okay
I just hit 20 yesterday

And I was told I'd be getting over 80% chance anyhow when I was still 19

[lyric cradle]

Grilled fish is entirely based off the input fish used. So if you use mismatched fish (auto crafting it and letting the order be random by not manually selecting) it'll give you a wide variety of grilled fish costs, which is why they're split

[forest anvil]

Ooooh okay. So I'd be best to fish a bunch of the same type (eg mudminnows from the pond on the home plot)? And then they'd stack closer to like 30 or something like other stuff seems to?

Right now I'm doing pickled potatoes for harvest and canned butterfly beans for quality
Though it seems I can stop with the quality and convert my beans to seeds instead now aha

[lyric cradle]

I'd be fishing in elderwood if you want the good high cost fish.

Is fishing your prefered source for fertilizers/worms? Cause I use pickled onions(worms) and pickled corn (glow worms)

[placid aspen]

Is there a way to de-til this or do I just gotta wait until I can pick it up (in my inv)

[forest anvil]

I honestly hate fishing I'll be honest 😅

[lyric cradle]

Then swap to jarred products 😄

[forest anvil]

Okay sweet so I can probably keep with my pickled potatoes I've been using
I've just seen people mentioning fish and thought maybe that was cause it was better for some reason aha

[lyric cradle]

Its the way to go if you like fishing, cause it can be quite nice gold. But don't do something in this game if you don't like doing it Its a cycle that I don't enjoy either, I like having the time to go farm some essence, plushie hunt or play hotpot in the underground

[lyric cradle]

I'm not sure. I've never had to de-tile my plots. At this point in the game, I've accepted that all my tiles are very much desynced so I just hoe them when they need to

Maybe try right clicking with the hoe (same function as removing a crop)

[neat vortex]

Tiles untill themselves 48 real hours after they were last tilled

Just also make sure any fertilizer is gone, too, or you won't be able to pick up the soil

(If you aren't moving them to another housing slot, though, there is no need to put them in your inventory to move them around - it's not the most intuitive, but they can be repositioned without picking them up)

[placid aspen]

Im glitching them onto my plot, so unfortunately I need them in my inv or it wont work 😭

The pain in that 48 hours tho- was hoping to have this done for a streamer I watch to have house tours tomorrow lol

[neat vortex]

Ah yeah, that makes sense if you are obstacle flicking them

[forest anvil]

I like to run around doing whatever I feel like in the moment XD
It's a pretty good game for my lil ADHD brain to go crazy and still progress

[neat vortex]

They might be done in time! just depends when you last tilled them ofc

[placid aspen]

Today 😭

[lyric cradle]

There's so much to do. Plushie hunting can be mixed in wherever and even extends to endgame, its fun if you can get into that. Its also the heavy rng territory of the game along with the more difficult accomplishments.

[wide zealot]

Im currently doing apples into jam and beans into seeds, I have 4 of each. I cant seem to keep my preserve jars going though? I'm constantly out of apples. What am I missing lol

[clear kindle]

i'm assuming everything is harvest boosted. so, the next question would be how many hours are you playing approximately a day? i'm running a 4 apple, 2 bean setup and have 2 seeders with 8 preserve jars and my jars are constantly going with overstock in storage. but i'm also online for nearly 7-12 hours depending on my work schedule

[lyric cradle]

yeah, could just be a matter of their limited time checking their crops. might need to cut down on the amount of preserve jars running

[clear kindle]

the afk diamond apple layouts are great for no fuss gardening, but they have to have the game time to keep the garden growing, otherwise the crafters will definitely complete without having the overstock for them

[frosty parcel]

Is there a layout where I can atleast plant one of each of everything yet also make it all water retained?

[neat vortex]

Yep, lots! Search the channel for "Everything layout" and filter by links and/or images

[frosty parcel]

Thx sm

[floral talon]

Different coin values dont stack

[pseudo hemlock]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

Can someone help me fix this up?

[stable ginkgo]

If you meant to share a layout, you need to use the buttons at the bottom. This link is just to the base website.

[pseudo hemlock]

im dumb! lol one sec

this way?

[stable ginkgo]

Use the save button and then copy the link option it gives you.

[pseudo hemlock]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-RRTTBtBtBkBtBt-AAAAAAAAA-TRRPmPmTPmPmBk-TPmPmCPmPmBkTO-CoPCoPCPCoPCo-BtBtTBtBtCOTBk-TSSOSSWWT-AAAAAAAAA-SSTSSOTWW

[pseudo hemlock]

thank you!

[floral talon]

the best one would be to you?

[supple stone]

What are you looking for with this layout?
Just improving the coverage of buffs?

And are the pumpkins and spicy peppers there mostly for the quality up buff? If so, what level is your gardening? If you have apples, having star seeds will likely be giving you a starred produce chance of 70% at least, without the quality up buff. So imo it's rarely beneficial to have quality up except at really low gardening levels.

[pseudo hemlock]

I was just looking to do an afk/profit style farm. I was initially copying a layout i saw here, but i was getting irritated with the clipping. My gardening is lvl 7. I don't have any star apple seeds or apples at all to put in my seed maker.

Sorry for replying so late

[supple stone]

No problem, I only replied to you 20 mins ago, way after you initially were asking for help.

So if you don't have access to apples yet, is this a plan for when you do have access to them, or are you looking for a layout you could plant now?

But what do you mean, irritated with the clipping?

[pseudo hemlock]

No, i meant that i can buy the seeds but i haven't harvested any yet

let me see if i can find the other layout, one sec

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HP.HSBk.HC.HST.HPBt-SP.HTSOBkBtRW-ROBk.HCrPTAAA-BkCBtAAAAAA-BtCbPBkC.HBkCbPB-AAAAAABCBk-AAATPCrBk.HOR-WRBBkOPmTP.HPm-BPT.HPmC.HBk.HPmP.HT.H_D360NrcL75

[supple stone]

So, you should only have access to apple tree seeds through Nai'o/Zeki friendship quests at level 7 gardening

You get given one at gardening 8 or 9, I always forget which, but not 7.

Or Zeki's prize machine on the counter for lucky coins. Those can give apple seeds too

[supple stone]

I think this is a really good layout, quite impressed with it in all honesty.
Only Harvest Boost fert, so don't need to buy it, and fits in 2 apple trees while still fitting in at least 1 of every other crop. It's a good layout.

So, if you don't like clipping, I assume you mean having the apples/ 2x2 bushes over the sides of different soil crops then?

Are you looking for a garden that has all crops, or just one for ease of use AFK harvesting for money?

[pseudo hemlock]

for right now i wouldn't mind something afk that make a little profit. I'm still at the stage where i'm not making any money lol

don't know how people are doing it

[supple stone]

ok, so apples are king of afk harvesting really. Last 30 days so really infrequently need replanting, which is great.
Without them, you're probably looking at mostly blueberries or beans. Beans are slightly better for profit but take longer to seed them (best way for profit), whereas you can preserve blueberries quicker

I'll draw up an example layout in a couple mins

[pseudo hemlock]

Oh thank you! I don't have access to Blueberries right now but i do have beans so thats good

[supple stone]

Ah, so must be 8 you get Blueberries as a gift from Badruu and 9 you get Apples then
I will try to remember this

[pseudo hemlock]

xD

[supple stone]

@pseudo hemlock
So, it's easier if I include Blueberries into this layout, so for starters to demonstrate I will.
No clipping, would only need 2 weedblock and 8 harvest boost fertiliser to ensure full coverage of harvest boost/weedblock/water retain on everything

I've done just 4x2 soil plot as that's far easier to work with for the 2x2 bushes, but things are trickier with only Beans anyway. WIll show something for that in a bit
You have access to a 9th soil plot, which I have essentially left so you can grow whatever you want there. Will give an example of how to extend the pattern in the next one though

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11-11-11-11_CR-O.HBkTPBtBtTBtBt-PBkO.HBBPBBT-Bk.HOTOBtBtPBtBt-POBk.HBBOBBP-T.HPBkBkBtBtOBtBt-OPT.HBBBkBBO-P.HTBkTBtBtBk.WBtBt-OTP.HBBTBBBk.W

[pseudo hemlock]

So since i don't have blueberries yet should i trade them with beans?

[supple stone]

Nah, that would mean you don't get the harvest boost buff on any of the Beans. Just doing a quick mockup of what a Beans only one could look like

[supple stone]

I could probably do a better job with more time tbh, but this is a quick showcase of beans only
Does need quite a bit of store-bought fertiliser though
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11-11-11-11-10_CR-T.WP.WTR.WBtBtR.WBtBt-BkOT.YBtBtR.WBtBtR.W-T.YBkOR.WBtBtR.WBtBt-TP.WT.WBtBtR.WBtBtR.W-T.WP.WTR.WBtBtR.WBtBt-BkOT.YBtBtR.WBtBtR.W-T.YBkOR.WBtBtR.WBtBt-TPTPOBkT.WWR.Y-TPTBkOBk.HR.YWT.Y_D180

This said, one option is just growing what you're growing now for a little bit until you unlock apples and blueberries

Gardening will never make as much money as going all out hunting/fishing/bug catching, but it acts a good supplement to whatever you want to do for money, and any seeding/preserving will run whenever you aren't on too

Anywaym gtg, but hope that helps a little. Had to rush a bit at the end, so not perfect designs, but hope they give some sort of ideas

[pseudo hemlock]

thank you for all of your help! i appreciate it greatly

[mint sandal]

That's mine
#🌱│gardening message

[supple stone]

I know, and I've said it to you before too!

[supple stone]

Ultimately though, you might want to aim for the diamond apple afk layout though. Probably one of the best afk layouts, but does rely on not harvesting some crops
But bye for now

[mint sandal]

I have this one that is still an everything garden, but only 1 apple tree in that one and it requires more hb fertilizer. No clipping though. Makes good profit too (you can use beans instead of blueberries since they give the same buff)
#🌱│gardening message

[fathom wyvern]

What do the pumpkins mean by “boosts star quality”? Like is it boosting the crops quality or like the amount of star crops produced?

[floral talon]

gives quality up buff to nearbvy plants whcih buffs star chance

[fathom wyvern]

Thank you! It’s worded differently on the seeds that give quality boost so it made me confused lol

[lone marsh]

what do you mean by diamond apple afk?

[pseudo hemlock]

this one looks really nice too! I may try it out after harvesting my current bunch

[mint sandal]

It's the one I'm currently using, I like it. You can replace the rice with corn and wheat if you want a better balance, but rice is more profitable iirc. I had a lot in there cause when I made it I was going to an epic sushi party weekly so I needed a bunch

[minor osprey]

How do you get apple seeds

[floral talon]

just level up ur gardening ul get it unles u were lv 10 already

[minor osprey]

Nah I’m 8

[supple stone]

You should be given a seed by Badruu at level 9
Otherwise, friendship quests for Zeki/Nai'o or Zeki's Wondrous Machine

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

4 apples in a diamond pattern, designed to be maximally efficient for just leaving it and harvesting when you want (hence afk)

I'd advise the one with blueberries (which can be subbed out for beans, which is more profitable but more processing time needed) for maximal ease of use - can just harvest the apples and blueberries/beans and leave everything else

[lone marsh]

ah ok :3 atm I have one apple tree planted that I had but waiting for it to even get a chance to grow so I can get more seeds for it.

[supple stone]

👍 You'll get there sooner than you think!

[lone marsh]

it's been planted for 2 rl days and it still hasn't gotten into a tree yet :/

[supple stone]

The afk layouts are not designed to be the most profitable btw, they're just designed for a decent amount of money coming in periodically

[floral talon]

it needs 12 GROWTHTICKS fo rhte first harvest

[supple stone]

Unsurprising. First harvest is after 12 growth ticks, the ones after are every 6 growth ticks
For most people, that means 12 hours play time

You get growth ticks every 6am in-game time, but only if you were online in the past hour
So you can get a lot of growth ticks by logging in regularly and checking the garden if your schedule allows

[lone marsh]

oh :/ between work I am only able to check maybe twice a day

[supple stone]

That's normal, and you shouldn't feel bad about it!
Palia IS a slow game and there's no real reason to rush it!

Anyway, gtg for now. If you have more questions for me, feel free to tag me and I can get back to you later, or someone else here might answer before me

[tranquil veldt]

Hi

[supple stone]

Hiya

So, you want money, but do you want max money possible from a farm (also more inconvenient) or convenient money?

[tranquil veldt]

Convenient money

[supple stone]

Money from gardening will never match up to active forms of money making such as cooking parties, hunting, fishing or bug lures, it's just a useful way to have passive income while doing all that

[supple stone]

ok, and what gardening level are you?

ie, do you have access to apples? They're teh most convenient of them all

[tranquil veldt]

I am lvl 35 i think and yes

I.am returner

[floral talon]

XDi always see it as a very high money per time spend on it though oppurtunity cuz theres wait times and u cant even dot he best money makers without it

[supple stone]

True Duh

I'll be honest, 35 is higher than I was expecting haha

[tranquil veldt]

Ya I didnt play for long time

And now I returned 🙂

[supple stone]

Right, most convenient layout would be one of these imo
#🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

oh yeay some thign shave changed in gardening i think cys has u covered

[supple stone]

Well, welcome back ^^

[tranquil veldt]

Awesome, will build them.tomorrow

[supple stone]

But essentially, the one with blueberries (these can be beans not blueberries if wanted) is aimed at just harvesting the apples/berries

You just leave everything else unharvested and there just for the buffs

[tranquil veldt]

Really?

[supple stone]

The other one is always harvest the apples, plus whatever you need for cooking (the crops can be swapped out for whatever you need there too)

[tranquil veldt]

I prefer to harvest everything :p

[supple stone]

You would probably want the non-berries one then, as it has water/weed protection on everything
But equally, people here have made a lot of other layouts that are all 100% water/weed buff too (usually with more fertiliser, less apples and more other crops though)

[tranquil veldt]

Hmmm

Is there a list of good Layouts?

[floral talon]

i keep a library of em on my private server

[supple stone]

I also agree with the harvesting everything mentality though btw 🙂

Not really? Was gonna say Duh has a bunch saved, but otherwise I search in here for specific tags I know they have

[tranquil veldt]

Ok

[supple stone]

Let me ask this then, do you want a variety of crops, or just focused on mainly ones that need less replanting?
Anything I would suggest would be water/weed proof as you said more convenience over maximal profit

[tidal venture]

Are the apple trees planted in one of the soil plots or can you plant them in the ground like regular trees?

[supple stone]

Soil Plots, takes 9 tiles (3x3 square)

If planted in the ground, that would be way too powerful for making money haha

[tidal venture]

ugh that’s annoying

I hope they give us more plots eventually because I need to get apples for the bundles but I don’t want a bunch of apple trees right now

[supple stone]

You need 20 apples for that bundle, and each harvest of an apple tree (you get 4 harvests total over 30 in-game days) nets you 16 (24 if harvest boost buff is active, which you should always aim for) each time.
So 1 tree is enough.

[tidal venture]

Okay that’s not too bad then

[supple stone]

As for more soil plots, it is highly unlikely. Gardening is balanced to be a good method of passive income whilst you're doing other things or even offline. More soil plots means a lot of effort tweaking prices or anything that is gardening related (all seeds/crops/preserves, cooked foods...) to account for making it all more comon

[floral talon]

did u find a suiting layout?

otherwise i can send u one that fits ur needs

[gentle nymph]

Just found this on one of the fb pages im in, i hope this help when it comes to produce from gardening 🪴👩🏽‍🌾

[floral talon]

OMG i shoudl so remake that but better ok another task on my to do pile

cuz this thing also dont got pumpkins and beans

[tranquil veldt]

Just send me 🙂

[autumn jungle]

i finally read the Arenvanta's gardening guide so I moved my garden near the pond, and started harvesting everything to get a clear plot to start again. Only problem is that just the day before I just planted my first blueberry bush, and I planted it BETWIXED two plots, so now those plots are immovable until it's fully harvested 4 times or whatever lol. bummer. but in the mean time I started a 4x4 plot with tomatoes in the corners, potatoes on the side and cotton down the middle columns. yay! finally learning cool stuff!

wonder why plots are immovable when you plant across them? Even if you highlight both plots.

[autumn jungle]

whoa, the water-retain trick works amazing! didn't have to water a single crop on the second day!

[supple stone]

Triple Apple somewhat afk setup in progress

One thing that bugged me about the diamond apple + blueberry/bean afk layout was how not everything was water/weed proof, so figured I'd try something similar that also allows harvesting everything if wanted.
So far, still needs 20 fertiliser and mostly store-bought though
(But does have flexibility for Spicy Pepper/Pumpkins so could be turned into an everything layout, just with limited wheat/rice/corn)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.YAAOAATAA-AR.WAAT.WAAPA-AABk.YAAOAAT-PBtBtBk.WBtBtBBP.W-Bk.YOBk.YAAAAAA-BtBtPBtBtBk.WP.WSS-BBT.WBk.WRBtP.HT.WBt-AAABtBk.YBtBtO.YBt-T.WSSBtRBk.WBtT.WP.H_D180GtL25Cr0.AP-BtS-RS-BkS-OP-TP-PS

Not sure if I can bring down the fertiliser needs much, sadly

[clear kindle]

considering that the apple + blueberry/bean layout is meant to only harvest those crops, it didn't need to be fully weed/water retained. if you then wanted the aesthetics of the buff crops being grown, you would tend to them until they were grown (a little work for 3-4 hours) and then just let weeds sit on the water retain crops indefinitely as they still give the buff. but if you're having fun coming up with theory plots, that's all that matters

[supple stone]

I know that's the intention, and not denying the layout works great for that. It does.
But yes, I do like the theory crafting =3

Admittedly, could probably just use a bunch of store bought fertiliser on the afk apples + blues/beans and need similar amounts to what I've come up with...

[mint sandal]

That looks a bit like one of my old layouts, lemme see if I can fit a 3rd apple tree in there
#🌱│gardening message

Well I can fit the tree fine, but still have just 4 bushes, need 25 hb fert and 3 hydro ferts so maybe not the best 😅
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OT.HOCCb.HCBkTBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PTPBkCOBBR.Y-AAAAAAAAA-PTPOCBkR.YBB-BBBtPTBtO.HC.HBk-BtO.YBtBtCBtTCb.HT-BtBBBtTPBkC.HO.H

[supple stone]

That's not a bad option for trading the store fert for HB though!

[ivory wind]

What can I use in place of apples for gardening till I get apples that will keep my garden water and weed free?

[supple stone]

So apples don't keep your garden free from watering or weeding, those buffs come from other crops.
Water retaining - Tomatoes/Potatoes/Cabbage,
Weed Block - Bok Choy, Onion, Carrots

Apples give harvest boost (generally the best buff for profit)
What gardening level are you and how frequently do you want to be replanting things?

And what layout were you looking to use?

[ivory wind]

Level 9 currently and would like at least 100% water retain. I am focused on experience gain right now

I have blueberries just not apples yet

and I do a lot of cooking so a variety of plants would be nice

[supple stone]

Experience gain from all crops is the same (as long as you harvest/replant when ready, at least).
If you're level 9, I think Badruu will give you apple seeds if you go talk to him btw

But sounds like you might want one of the everything gardens then

[ivory wind]

I will check with Badruu again. I did pick up the new tool recipes from him but maybe I missed a conversation I should have had.

[supple stone]

Here are some links to the messages of a few everything gardens, if having one of everything you can use for cooking is indeed what you want:

#🌱│gardening message

#💬│elderwood message

#🌱│gardening message

#🌱│gardening message

#🌱│gardening message

Hopefully I haven't missed any of the interesting ones! Just did a quick search now

[velvet vortex]

does anyone have any tips for not having to have times my garden is empty while I make the right amount of seeds using my seed maker and my latest harvest? So I never am wasting time w nothing growing 🙂

[supple stone]

More seed makers (at town hall you can buy crafting licences for more crafter slots)? Prepare the seeds in advance? Use normal quality seeds instead if you don't have enough star quality seeds?

Seed makers will run while you are not online btw, so you can put a bunch of produce in there and forget about it for a bit

[silver moon]

What's the best layout with all crops and best money ?

[floral talon]

may have to replace cabbage with tomato and corn with wheat to get most money

[silver moon]

Awesome thank you !!

[floral talon]

u were so clear in what u wanted made it simple

[silver moon]

Joys of being autistic haha very straightforward too the point

[ivory wind]

What am I missing to get weed prevention to 100. I am overlooking something lol. I do not have apples yet

[twilit fiber]

single tomato in the center crop, just below the pumpkins.

[ivory wind]

Thank you. I’ve been staring at it for 10 minute lol 🤦‍♀️

[twilit fiber]

You can usually hover over the various Boost Circles and it should highlight what's doing what (or isnt more specifically)

*mouseover rather

[ivory wind]

I have it up in my tablet so it doesn’t appear to do that

[twilit fiber]

Ahhhhh yeah that makes mouseover hard XD

[ivory wind]

The planner that is

[twilit fiber]

Maybe if you tap it it'll toggle it on or off or something

Anyway yeah, solitary tomate. not even really something to worry about, you more want the weeds not affecting the bigger crops anyway for afk farming if that's the goal so it's zero maintenance

[ivory wind]

I am still fiddling with it. I’d like to get the blueberries high quality and I think I might have a layout can work but leaves the blueberries open to weeds.

I do not mind having to check it I just don’t not to be bound to it every hour lol

And it’s kinda a challenge to get it 100% water and weed retaining lol

[supple stone]

Less fun if it's no challenge 😄

[supple stone]

When you say you want the blueberries high quality, do you mean with the boost from cotton/pumpkin?

[chrome elk]

I think the pumpkins suck. They take so long to grow, produce like 2 and then die

[stable ginkgo]

They produce 2, then 2 three more times. We still agree they aren’t good but they do produce more than 2.

[chrome elk]

yes i know they do

[tidal drift]

Is there a fast/recommended way to till my plots?

[sage patio]

im new and im a little confused on all these plot charts i see of people planting stuff. the numbers of total gold profit seem skewed and over inflated

[humble granite]

There's always going to be min/maxing I wouldn't worry too much about it for now!

[stable ginkgo]

The "total gold" numbers are for the amount of gold you get after all of the days. So you might see you'll make 120,000 but that over 180 hours.

[neat vortex]

As for why it's set so high: 180 hours is the smallest number that allows all of the crops to finish their grow time completely and doesn't cut off any harvests. (For example, 30 days would cut off the last harvest of wheat and onion plants [4 days], as well as 3 harvests for beans [12 days].) This way, all the crops get a fair comparison for the entire grow time.

Otherwise, wheat, onions, and beans would look to be worth less than they really are in a continual-replanting kind of situation (which is what most people do).

Setting it always to 180 also lets you compare revenue numbers directly between layouts

[humble granite]

Whats the best crop for glow worms?

[neat vortex]

None of them gardening crops are overall very good for glow worms, but starred pickled corn makes 2 glow worms per for cheaper than pickling and worming potatoes (assuming you're growing corn already).

In general, if you want cheap glow worms, feed them the cheap forageables and meat (especially anything worth 9-11g and 16g).

If you want fast glow worms, find savory items that have high sell values. One good solo option is grilling the common and uncommon fish you'd sell anyway. Otherwise, any of the rare fish dish parties, bean burgers, or muujin Bahari are reasonable options, depending which step(s) you cover

There is a spreadsheet in the pins by Arenvanya that has more details, though it isn't updated for EW yet

[humble granite]

Thanks!

[celest bolt]

Hi, i'm in need of large amount of cotton to make fabric. Can anyone suggest a good cotton layout with 100% weed 100% watered (AFK build) and maybe some harvest boost?

[neat vortex]

If you need fabric in bulk, it may actually be cheaper to buy the fabric from the cash register in Tish's store using money from growing cash crops than it would be to give up growing cash crops to grow cotton instead

(and faster, too XD)

However, if you still need a cotton layout, I can dig up some options for you :)

[celest bolt]

its 190G in Tish shop per fabric :/

[neat vortex]

Yep, and it takes 2 cotton to produce 1 fabric. In the 5 days it takes cotton to grow (producing 1.5 fabric per plant if harvest boosted), you could grow more gold by planting rice (processed as seeds) than you would need to buy 1.5 fabric.

(and even more than rice, for bok choy and potatoes, but those aren't usually subbed out for cotton in most layouts)

[celest bolt]

i see... i wanted to craft more preserve jars...

thx for the suggestion, i will buy from Tish as investment capital XD

[neat vortex]

Sure thing :D If you'd like some ideas for money-making layouts, search my posts in this channel for "minmax" and filter by links - there's a list we've collected. Some are even 100% weed/water/harvest boost with no bought fertilizer.

[lilac walrus]

I think I need help, I want everything as I am working on cooking but I need the apples and potatoes for be overflowing can someone tell me if this is good or help me?

[supple stone]

So I made a layout yesterday - #🌱│gardening message - that can very easily be made into a 3 apple everything garden like you're after. Here's a link to it adjusted to be an everything garden:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.YAAOAACbAA-AR.WAACb.WAAPA-AABk.YAAOAACb-PBBBk.WBBPmPmP.W-C.YOC.YAAAAAA-BBPBBBk.WP.WSS-PmPmT.WBk.WWBtP.HT.WBt-AAABtC.YBtBtO.YBt-T.WSSBtCrBk.WBtT.WP.H_D180GtL25Cr0.AP-BtS-RS-BkS-OP-TP-PS

Main issue(s) would be it doesn't have as many potatoes as you had, it doesn't have loads of rice/wheat/corn, and in order to maintain 100% harvest boost, water retention and weed block, it needs 20 fertiliser

What do you want the potatoes overflowing for?

[lilac walrus]

It’s for the preserving jars and my worms

[supple stone]

Potatoes are better seeded than preserved for profit generally, and I think you don't end up much better off after worming the preserves.
If you want them as a food source, then canned beans might work out better

[lilac walrus]

ahh okay, I never sold the seeds of anything so I don’t know how much they go for

is there a chart of how much stuff goes for by chance?

[supple stone]

Bok choy, potatoes, rice, wheat and beans are all best seeded.
Everything else you make more profit preserving

[lilac walrus]

ahhh okay

[supple stone]

Almost certainly is a chart. I just don't know where and what's up to date as I have my own spreadsheet

[lilac walrus]

ah okay, thank you! I’ll look into everything then

[supple stone]

The wiki does have correct numbers on the seed collector and preserve jar pages last I checked

Are your worms for profit or for fishing though?

[lilac walrus]

Both, I only take 200 and sell the rest as I don’t need them

with 100 of both in my chest to give away

it’s more so the fertilizer I sell though

[supple stone]

If you're fishing anyway, best way for worms is to recycle the fish you would have selling into grilled fish which you can feed to the worms.
If for profit, you'd actually make more profit by putting any 9-11g or 16g forageable/meat into a glow worm farm (compared to any crop/preserve you can worm)

So like muujin/sernuk meat

Or staircase mushrooms

[lilac walrus]

ahh okay, I’ll switch what I’m feeding them then lol

I’m still very new so I don’t know how it works

[supple stone]

Granted, it means a bit more effort going out and collecting all that, but those cheap things are pretty plentiful at least

[supple stone]

All good, here to help!

We all start somewhere afterall

[lilac walrus]

Indeed we do hahaha

[supple stone]

If you have any questions about what I've said, tag me. Might not notice it otherwise for a bit

[lilac walrus]

Sounds good! Thank you so much again!!

[supple stone]

You know what I'd like to see?
Preserve bins allowing rice/wheat for sake/wheat beer.
Maybe with a longer preserve time so it could be a premium product that sells for more (and sake taking longer than beer)

[lilac walrus]

Same, I was kinda shocked by how it’s not in the game already

[supple stone]

Yeah, I'm writing a feedback form for it now hehe.
They might feel that brewing alcohol doesn't fit the family friendly vibe, but nothing to lose by suggesting it

[lilac walrus]

fr

[clear kindle]

don't see why not when the esrb rating includes alcohol reference as a thing

[supple stone]

Excellent point!
Am writing up a big feedback thing rn including potential preserve times and sell prices 🙂
And ideas for a quest to unlock the recipe for beer too (like how canned beans/pumpkin recipes are unlocked from the accomplishments)

Thinking would be good for something to take the place of Beans, in that it could be very crafter intensive but slightly more profitable than Bok Choy.
Makes sense for this to be rice, which also has a 3 day growth cycle and sake/rice wine would easily justify a more artisanal price tag

Beer would be cheaper, less profitable, but less crafter intensive I feel

[clear kindle]

don't forget about wine as well, we've got blueberries. could make that into a cooking then preserve jar thing

jel, eshe could ask for wines, i see ashura maybe as a sake kinda dude, beer could be hodari or badruu

[supple stone]

Nah, beer is Sifuu

100% Sifuu

[clear kindle]

yeah, better sifuu

[supple stone]

Thing is, if you start doing that for wine, then it would make more sense for alcohol to have its own crafter. As blueberries already have a preserve, it would no longer be a case of just plugging the gap of no rice/wheat in the preserve jar

[supple stone]

My idea is that she has a close call while hunting the 'Beast', asks for a 'recovery potion' which would be beer 😄
You ask Ashura, need to get help fixing up a cask or something from Tish, needing you to find some mats first

[clear kindle]

well, i was thinking that sense blueberry wine is mostly made with blueberries,sugar (and yeast) that you would have to go to the stove to mix the two together (stirring mini game) then move the mixture (blueberry puree maybe?) into the preserve jar

[supple stone]

I do like it as an idea, and will include it 👍

Or Blueberry Wine Starter?

[clear kindle]

could also work

[supple stone]

Blueberry Wine prices would be more difficult to try and balance considering Blueberries are a regrowing bush actually. Would want it to be more profitable than preserving Blueberries, but probably less profitable than seeding potatoes/bok choy I guess?

[loud skiff]

You could balance it via the time taken to ferment and wine yeast costing different than mead, ale, or cider yeast. And let the yeast only be sold at Zekki's, etc. I submitted feedback asking for Ashura's son to join the game (late join, like Subira) as a brewer. We know the inn already brews ales (there were 3 different ales present at my shepp ceremony that Ashura described).

[supple stone]

Already said that in what I'm writing actually 😄

The yeast being buyable from Zeki's and modulating the profitability

Not Ashura's son

[loud skiff]

I feel we need a new NPC as the brewer guild store and thought since Ashura's son was already introduced, that he would be easy to fit into the story as a late game NPC add.

[supple stone]

I get that, though feel he would have to be gated after Ashura's level 5 friendship quest

And gating a villager behind the optional mechanic of befriending villagers seems odd

[loud skiff]

agree, just like how subira is gated behind the watcher main quest

I feel there could be some mid/late game skills that you don't "start with", but I'd be fine either way. I do hope they add more NPCs and buildings to the village.

[ocean gust]

Hello there! which crop gives the most rate for gardening leveling up? Trying to get the well. Thanks!

[floral talon]

they all the same xp per tile per growthtick

[ocean gust]

Ohh. thanks! So if i put like bok choy or som ething, that means i lvl up faster compared to apple that takes longer?

[floral talon]

ulget ur xp drops earlier yesa

[supple stone]

You will get the exp less sporadically, but overall will get the same amount of exp with bok choy vs apples (Assuming you never miss out on weeding /watering and harvesting/replanting for all crops)

[supple stone]

@loud skiff or @clear kindle
Would either of you want to read over my feedback essay before I submit it? (It is a fairly long one haha)

I haven't been writing it this whole time btw, have had to step afk quite a lot

[modern arrow]

Juice could be an alternative. SDV allows the creation of both.

[loud skiff]

that's what I thought as well, it's one thing having esche smoking than letting players smoke, who could be kids, it would be same with brewing i believe, even though they have brews at parties, letting players drink brews might be too much, i think it would be great to add, but i can see them saying no to brewing

[supple stone]

Main issue with juice is it would disincentivise rice/wheat getting something in the preserve jar, which was where I started from with this haha

[supple stone]

Yeah, that's a big issue with this for sure

[neat vortex]

I can mostly see this being an issue with the Nintendo store

[supple stone]

Ah, screw Nintendo store!

[formal sluice]

Hi, is it possible to have garden with every single crop with 100weed, 100water, 100boost

[supple stone]

Yes, a lot of layouts people share here have that.
However, at the very minimum you will need fertiliser for the corners

[formal sluice]

By chance do you have one at hand?

[supple stone]

There's probably dozens of patterns that fit the requirements here...
To narrow it down a bit:

1. What crops are you looking to grow? And do you want more of a particular crop for recipes? If so, which crops.
2. Are you looking for highest profits or less replanting effort?
3. Do you have access to all crops?
4. How much fertiliser would you want to use? As little as possible? Just fertiliser you can make in worm farms, or is store-bought fertiliser ok too?

[formal sluice]

1)At least 1 of each type
2)Probably more into profit
3)Yes
4)Can be both under 40 per cycle if possible

[supple stone]

Ah, an everything garden. One sec

[supple stone]

Any of these take your fancy? The ones in the Elderwood channel aren't all 100% harvest/water/weed buffed mind you

Just FYI, everything gardens by definition will sacrifice profit for the variety. But having the variety can be very useful.

[formal sluice]

they are all good

but i think i cooked one
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Pm.HPm.HP.YPm.HPm.HO.HP.HO.HP.H-RCr.WTBk.YCo.YC.HCRCb-PBt.HBt.HOBt.HBt.HP.HOP.Y-TC.HCbCr.WCo.YWWBk.YC-AAAAAAAAA-CBk.YWWCo.YCr.WCbC.HT-P.YOP.HB.HB.HOB.HB.HP-CbRCC.HCo.YBk.YTCr.WR-P.HO.HP.HO.HS.HS.HP.YS.HS.H

[floral talon]

that one is abit high on fertilser and u dont really need cotton in a layout just buy fabric

[supple stone]

We don't tend to recommend cotton as

1. The buff isn't very helpful after level 10 or so
2. It's remarkably a bad investment to make your own fabric rather than just buying it from Tish's store, so might as well grow a different crop in that space and buy it generally

But it's not a bad layout by any means, and I appreciate working on one yourself

[median stirrup]

Crops I ideally would want are: apples, blueberries, wheat, corn

[floral talon]

So u want more 1tile hb crops? Best chance is to change out the middle apple and place some stuff there

Or get less blueberrys

[mint sandal]

They do talk about Sifuu having drinking contests with villagers from time to time so it's a possibility. That's why when we saw EW promo but didn't know what beans were I speculated that it could be grapes and we'd maybe make wine out of them

[mint sandal]

It's crazy to see how some of us come up with so similar layouts. This looks a lot like the ones Ilyeana and I made a while back
#🌱│gardening message
#🌱│gardening message

[formal sluice]

I think i like yours more 😄

[supple stone]

I agree, I feel it would fit fine, but having references to alcohol is different to actually having alcohol as an obtainable item and they might not think it's as family friendly

[olive pumice]

I think, with it being a different culture, stuff like that would be reasonable. I mean, we've got same-sex partnerships and polyamory. I can't imagine wine or alcohol in general as being all that controversial with those who already love the game

[floral talon]

tbf most who play this game are of hte demographgic that consumes most wine lol

i mean lemonade have to talk pg

[olive pumice]

As far as family-friendly, I mean, the most violence we really experience are the stupid lizards spitting goo at us. I think palia does pretty good as far as being acceptable for all audiences. I could go on about alcohols significance in human culture, but that's WAY off the garden topic 😉

[floral talon]

yes they should add lemonade brewing

[olive pumice]

Need lemons first lol

[floral talon]

its totally family friendly and hteres this quest hwere ur character got drunk and buried a treasure u have to find

[floral talon]

how do u mean u can make that out of everyhting XD'

[olive pumice]

No worse than the Goonies. I grew up on that stuff

Ooohh, piksii berry wine!

(sorry,ADHD)

[supple stone]

Seems on track to the discussion to me 😄

[icy lagoon]

Anybody got an afk garden set up focusing on pumpkins and cotton they'd be willing to share? 👀

[floral talon]

uhm why do u even need that XD i dopnt have it cuz ur the first one to ask for something like this

[icy lagoon]

Pumpkins make me happy and I run out of fabric waaaay to quickly with how much furniture I craft. No need for quality boost, just looking for something I don't have to babysit day to day regarding weeding and watering. Quantity would be nice but also not super necessary.

[floral talon]

ah so just afk and u love pumpkins and need cotton

[icy lagoon]

Precisely

[floral talon]

do u harvest only cotton and pumpkin or do uwanna harvest everyhting?

[icy lagoon]

Just the pumpkins and cotton, preferably!

[floral talon]

ok then i can make a lyout that will ignore bufs o nthe other crops since u only harvest hte cototn and pumpkins anyways

[icy lagoon]

Sounds perfect! Thank you so much for your assistance.

[floral talon]

something like this? its a rough example cabbages mean waterretain plant 1 and 2 obviously

[icy lagoon]

Awesome! I'll give this a go once my current set up runs out of harvests x) Thanks again!

[floral talon]

just dump harvest fert on it or osmehting

cant make afk and hb cuz they be quality up plants without absurd fertiliser usage anywyas

[icy lagoon]

All good haha. In theory, it looks like I should be able to swap out the pumpkins for anything else I might need for cooking, quests, or gifts.

aside from apples, of course.

[floral talon]

maybe this but otherwise idk man

thinkt he bullseye one was hte best one

i do agree pumpkins are the prettiest

[patent spindle]

is there a website you're using to make those layouts? they look really great

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/ we use this one

[patent spindle]

thank you!

[ornate solar]

how does fertilizer work? I'm not really sure when to use it when it always disappears from the crop i put it on, even before i harvest it ;;

[median stirrup]

I'm not sure what this means (also please ping reply.)

I want apple trees & blueberries the most, the rest I just wanted it to be water retain/harvest boost crops

But I am not sure how/where to start laying out for this

[floral talon]

the harvest boost giving crops that are 1tile in size
conr wheat rice

[floral talon]

like hteres no space for u to put in more of hte other crops u want cuz everyhting is filled with apples and blueberrys and water retain plants to give the buff so u need to ditch something like a apple or blueberry

do u really need 5 apples or do u really need 4 blueberrys

[median stirrup]

I don't need 4 blueberries, deff 5 apples tho, ty for help btw

[floral talon]

like this?

ditching the blueberry gave 4 more of the crops u wanted more of

which works out nice cuz a blueberry is 4 tiles in size so 100% conversion

[median stirrup]

Thank you so much :)<3

[floral talon]

any more modifications needed?

[median stirrup]

I'm just curious what other crops would be replaceable with the cabbage/potato? Like what their crop abilities would be? I'm sorry I still am not sure how the whole buff to other plants work still. Thank you so much!

[median stirrup]

I am not sure what conversion means 😅 but I am glad!

Or better worded question- can I replace the water retaining crops with other ones?

[floral talon]

ok so a plant gives buff waterretain
theres 3 that do that potato tomato cabbage
cabbage gives buffs directly adjacent but not to another cabbage
a plant like apple needs 3 water retain next to it to get buff from nearby plants
so we can give a cabbage iots own buff by placing either a tomato r potato next to it
but the combo cabbage tomato can also be cabbage potato or tomato potato(this is hte same buff wise so its just crop choice)

[floral talon]

well i had to shuffle stuff around and managed to convert hte 4 tiles the bluerberry used into 4tiles of hte other plant u wanted XD

[floral talon]

yeay with toher water retaining crops sure

play around with this thign to find out how things work if my explanation didnt work for ya
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[median stirrup]

Thank you so much! You are very kind.

[floral talon]

your welcome

[median stirrup]

Oh yeah it's okay, I wouldn't minded if it was 4 blueberries and 5 apples, but I thought it couldn't be possible

With 100% hb and wr

[floral talon]

can treally have 4 blueberrys 5 apples water retain and somehow more of the other crops u want ur gonna run out of space XD

[median stirrup]

What about if the other crops weren't important, just the buffs? :o

I can play with it myself, but I was also curious what you meant by 100% conversion (not sure what it means)

[floral talon]

not a specific term just english sorry

[median stirrup]

oh no worries :)

I did it! My own garden plot!

It took a minute to get, but after seeing it visually, I understand it more now! <3

[cinder crater]

w..what..?

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimons-mochimon-cute-cat-gif-17303775692492129613

[floral talon]

Quality up ftom nearby plants 16 hb fert

[cinder crater]

i only have 5 cotton near it, one of them is diagonal from it

do they really boost THAT much?

[quick mist]

I figured it out. And gonna spread the love here. "No crap." 🙂

QualityUp Fertlizer CAN multiply. Between sun cycles.
If HarvestUp! (green) is on the soil for at least one sun cycle. It gives you RNG wise 1+ fertilizer back when you add QualityUp! (brown one.)

I went from 0 green to every single square having green AND brown on it. I guess it spreads out.

Because I multiplied my fertilizer between the plots. The only ones without 2 types is the fresh soil ones I topped off....

I think it has to do with multi-sun cycles.

[neat vortex]

Er... huh?

[quick mist]

Put HarvestUp! (green) fertilizer down. After a sun cycle or two, add normal fertilizer ontop of it.

[neat vortex]

When you place another kind of fertilizer down on a tile, it pulls up whatever fertilizer is already on that tile.

[quick mist]

It multiplies. 😄
In multiple sun cycles.

Proof: I had zero green fertilizer in inventory..... I had some I wanted to pull up and put on Apple tree. Happy discovery! It's on all my tiles now..... it probably doesn't work multiple days consecutively but when 80% of my garden was gone from harvesting, I replenished it and multiplied fertilizer.

[neat vortex]

What am I looking at here?

[quick mist]

I went from only having half barren garden plot, with fertilizer on it's soil.... to every square being heartily fertilized.

This was before, then the other pic is after.

[neat vortex]

So you tilled the soil and planted stuff on it and revealed the pink granules that were on the tiles?

I'm sorry, it's just that I've used fertilizer extensively for a long time and I'm really struggling to figure out what you're seeing here

If there's something new happening, I want to understand!

[quick mist]

In this picture, there's few tiles with the petals/HarvestUp! Fertilizer strictly.

I tiled the garden. Had zero HarvestUp! in my inventory. I planted my seeds, and wanted to repurpose my FertilizerUp! (green) with the priority plants (Beans, Berries, Apples.) I "pulled" it up by replacing with QualityUp! (brown) fertilizer.

This is how I found out it multipied. The first tile gave x3 HarvestUp! (green) from a single tile.

Kept it up, spreaded it out. RNG gods later.... all my garden is fertilized with both equally, give or take 3 single tiles.

[neat vortex]

If you got 3 HB fertilizer from a tile, it seems likely that 3 had been applied to that tile previously.

You can stack them up to 99 per plant (100 for 4x4 plants)

[neat vortex]

In this picture, some tiles have fertilizer (can see the pink granules) but it's duplicating a buff the crop is getting from a neighbor (likely harvest boost from the apple trees), so the number isn't visible on the preview because the crop buff overrides it

It won't hurt anything; it just sits in the soil until either the crop on that tile isn't getting the buff from a neighbor anymore, or until it's replaced with another fertilizer

[quick mist]

The apple tree didn't even have fertilizer on it.

Just try it.

Put fancy fertilizer on some soil, wait a day or two in Palian time.... then put normal fertilizer on it.

[neat vortex]

(what are "fancy" vs "normal" fertilizers?)

[quick mist]

It didn't replace .... it spreaded out. Which logically makes sense in farming in real life can do that.

Green = fancy. Brown = normal.

I'm new to gardening.....

[neat vortex]

So it jumped from the tile you placed it on to tiles that you hadn't placed fertilizer on?

like, propagated itself?

Could you do me a favor and map out your layout in the Garden Planner, and take screenshots of the fertilizer positions before and after (using the plot diagram)?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

I'm still trying to understand what you're observing

[quick mist]

I literally went from zero green fertilizer, 80% harvested and barren, untiled garden, to double-topped, and watered. It's not the layout, it's the timing and introduction of additional fertilizer on the fancier one that existed on singular tiles.

And x9 green fertilizer extra in my inventory now.

80% tiles are not matured.... seedlings... just planted.

[neat vortex]

Can you explain what you mean by "double-topped"?

[quick mist]

When there was already fertilizer on the ground

I put a second one on top of it (the plain brown one.) So the tile with a green fertilizer applied, RNG'd random quantity of green fertilizer to my inventory. While staying on the soil. On the pic I showed with the text on it, you'll see two fertilizers are on it.

[neat vortex]

The text does not show two fertilizers on any tile; the buffs that don't have a number next to them are from a crop that is touching that plant.

[neat vortex]

Yep, that one is getting harvest boost from the bean plant next to it, plus has a qualityup fertilizer on it. If there was harvest boost fertilizer on that tile before, now it is in your inventory

[quick mist]

The blank tile to the left of the somewhat-off picture tomato plant is where the carrot is.

On the bottom row - there was nothing there before. Those petals are green fertilizer. I'm trying to understand what you're saying.

[neat vortex]

The tile to the left of the tomato in the top half of the image?

Yeah, that's got a pink swirl animation on it, so it had harvest boost fertilizer on it before, looks like

(Harvest boost fertilizer is a pink swirl, qualityup is little yellow sparkles, water retain fertilizer is little water droplets, and weed prevention fertilizer is little dirt-colored clods bouncing around, iirc)

[neat vortex]

Okay, so, let me make sure I understand:

• this tile was previously empty, but with at least one harvest boost (green) fertilizer on it, per the pink swirl in your screenshot
• you planted a carrot seed on that tile, and then applied a qualityup (brown) fertilizer to it
• this put some amount of harvest boost fertilizer in your bag, and the crop now has harvest boost and quality up buffs

[quick mist]

I put the brown fertilizer on the pre-existing tile with the green fertilizer on it. And instead of picking "one" up, I got x3 green fertilizers.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, if I go put a qualityup fertilizer on the potato next to one of my apple trees, I will get 99 water retain fertilizer in my bags

...because several months ago, I put 99 water retain fertilizer on that tile 😅

(and that potato is always watered by a neighboring plant, so it never consumes the fertilizer)

My guess it that, just like you've got 2 qualityup fertilizer on the tomato at the top center, you had 3 harvest boost fertilizer on the tile where the carrot is now

It's possible that while whatever plant was there before was growing, the multiple fertilizer weren't visible, if it was previously planted next to beans like the carrot is now

If you were putting on one fertilizer every day, perhaps, then they would have stacked up on the plant without being consumed

or if you just clicked multiple times by accident, same deal

That's my skeptic's explanation for what you're observing, anyway

[velvet vortex]

Any tips for having a garden that keeps me having most of the supplies I need for crafting but also good for making a profit?

[neat vortex]

What kinds of things are you crafting, typically?

[velvet vortex]

I’m early in game so tbh I’m not super sure yet what I’m gonna need

[steady stratus]

What should I be putting in my glow worm farms as food?

[neat vortex]

Cheap, steady glow worms at a profit: cheap savory excess forageables and meat from hunting (anything worth 9g, 11g, or 16g)

Easy, abundant, kind of expensive glow worms if solo: grill the common and uncommon fish you were going to sell anyway, feed them those (net glow worm gain still!)

Less easy, still abundant, still kind of expensive glow worms in groups: join cooking parties for savory high-value foods, like bean burgers or anything cooked with rare/epic fish. (You will multiply the value of the materials you contribute by cooking with others, so it's cheaper per glow worm in that sense, but most cooked dishes don't convert to glow worms very profitably and you could have sold the food directly instead.)

Moderately-priced glow worms from the garden: starred pickled corn (if you're growing corn already)

Not recommended: cooking kitchen dishes solo to feed the worms (too slow and more expensive than group cooking).

[neat vortex]

Cool, welcome to the game :) What level gardening are you?

[steady stratus]

So if I grill the fish I’m currently catching I’d get more worms per cycle? Or is it one worm for every food I put it

[velvet vortex]

7ish I’m pretty sure

[neat vortex]

The amount of glow worms and fertilizer scales with the sell value of whatever you feed them. Broadly speaking, sweet things give quality up fertilizer and savory things give harvest boost fertilizer, though there are some weird exceptions (piksii berries are "savory" for example, and canned beans are "sweet"? no, I don't know why)

Because there is a minimum of 1 glow worm (can't get back half a glow worm, thankfully!) cheap stuff gives you back more value than you put in. For example, if you feed your glow worms a staircase mushroom worth 9g, you get back the 1 glow worm (25g) + 3 harvest boost fertilizer (5g each, 15g together), for a total of 40g of stuff. If you sell the 15g of fertilizer, then you end up with:

• 9g to repay the value of the mushroom
• 6g pocket change
• 1 glow worm basically for free

But, yes, grilled glow worm fish give back more glow worms than they took to catch. Two common glow worm fish from a pond (e.g., scarlet koi, mottled gobi, each worth 100g) grill up together into a 200g grilled fish. A 200g savory item in a glow worm farm gives 4 glow worms (100g) and 22 HB fertilizer (110g), or a 10g net gain and a 2 glow worm net gain.

There is a spreadsheet linked in the pins, Arenvanya's Fertilizer sheet, that has values for grilled fish made with Kilima and Bahari fish; it doesn't include the EW fish yet.

But personally I tend to use my own sheet (here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=2112178574#gid=2112178574 - the Glow Worm Farm Values Lookup) because it has all possible values, as long as you know that the food produces HB fertilizer

[neat vortex]

Okay, so you don't quite have access to blueberries or apples yet, but you have the seedmaker unlocked and will unlock the preserves jar next level, cool. That gives some flexibility.

You also have the ability to, if you want to, grow beans, pumpkins, and spicy peppers. Peppers and beans are used for quite a few things, pumpkins less so, but still needed for a few quests and accomplishments.

[mint sandal]

You know, that set up but with grains instead of cotton would be kinda amazing to farm loads of whatever specific crop(s) you need when you run low. Ima save that in case I ever need it

Can even make it into an everything but apple garden

[neat vortex]

Here's my stab at an early-game "everything garden" (except cotton... but there's not any huge reason to grow cotton if you are growing cash crops instead)

It's a riff on the Bullseye layout, which Yexol discovered could also support bushes in the corners :D For peppers and pumpkins, you'd need to supplement with a little extra harvest boost fertilizer on the crops around them, since they don't provide HB the way the beans do, but that's technically optional.

Plant all starred seeds (made by processing starred crops in the seedmaker) as much as you possibly can to improve your star chances. Exceptions include the peppers, because you can't get unstarred peppers later on, so they become kind of precious.

Your cash crops (sell the excess once you're stocked up) are: bok choy, potatoes, rice - all processed as seeds
Tomatoes and corn are also cash crops, but I'd hang onto them until you get the preserves jar unlocked.
You will probably need to invest in more crafter licenses.

Carrots, onions, wheat, and beans are kind of in the middle, revenue-wise, but useful.

Everything else, just focus on stocking up for now. Once you have a good inventory of things, you can switch out the utility crops (cabbage, peppers, pumpkins) for more profitable things. Once you unlock blueberries (another utility crop), they can go where the second bean plant is if you like.

And then once you have access to apples, let's chat again XD

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTOBkBtBtOBtBt-BkPTRWRTCBk-O.HBk.HP.HPmPmT.HPmPmO.H-TRBkPWCBkRT-CbTCbCrWCrCbBkCb-TRBkCWPBkRT-O.HSST.HSSP.HBk.HO.H-BkCTRWRTPBk-BtBtOBtBtBkOTP.H_D180GtL7Cr0.Bk.S-BkS-RS-TP-OP-P.S-PS-Bt.S-BtS-W.S-WS

[neat vortex]

looool convergent evolution strikes again

[mint sandal]

I just modified the layout DuhScape shared earlier

[neat vortex]

Yeah, just funny exactly how very similar the two things are even from different starting points

[mint sandal]

Yeah lol

[neat vortex]

I guess there are really only so many good permutations possible, lol

[mint sandal]

Makes sense

I wonder if they'll ever release the lettuce we all got by mistake and what the buff would be

[upbeat quail]

I planted onions and peppers with no fertilizer bc I needed non starred ones to make oyster awkinduu (I have too much non starred oyster meat) but I can’t make them without unstarred onions and peppers, but they still harvested starred.. how do I fix this

[autumn jungle]

whoa, weird bug with Gardening. you can overlap two soil plots in the same location! wonder how that affects planting and growing; if you can plant two things in the same spot? hmm

[clear kindle]

what's your gardening level?

regardless, you can use star quality ingredients with non-star quality ingredients as well. you just need to tick the "use star quality " box in order to do so. if you have star quality ingredients that you don't want to use recommend putting them into a lock box

[upbeat quail]

I know but I have 400 unstarred oysters, o can’t use them if I don’t have the other ingredients also unstarred

[clear kindle]

give me a moment, imma test

in the meantime, depending on your gardening level you may be to high to get regular quality crops anymore

[upbeat quail]

I’m level 76

So maybe so💔

[clear kindle]

you will never get normal crops. at level 50 you get star crops even from unstar seeds

[upbeat quail]

Dang

I just turned all the oysters into grilled ones lol money is money and I need storage pfft

[clear kindle]

but i am on my oysters akwinduu in the oven with a non star oyster, tomato, garlic, heat root and meat and star quality onions and peppers and it allows me to make it. in the cooking menu there is a little box that says "use star quality ingredients" you need to have that checked on in order to use the star ingredients it's not automatic

[autumn jungle]

hah, you can. I have a potato and a cotton growing in the "same" exact spot now. neat. You could make like a 3D chess board garden by overlapping a bunch of plot squares lol

[neat vortex]

I do wonder how this affects the buffs for adjacent tiles

(also, did you know you can stack fertilizer up to 99 per plant? it will consume one unit per tile per day, so you don't have to come back to apply it daily)

[autumn jungle]

yeah, i'm curious about how the buffs would work too while stacked. I imagine the fertilizer limits would still be 99 per square and you'd probably have to pull out the overlapping square to fertilize it then shove it back in. but buffs probably would stack, though I think you can only have like 4 max on a plant or something?

would certainly be easier to combine companion crops though

[olive pumice]

Hey! Bunk (garden) beds! Ok, I'll show myself out...

[neat vortex]

Thing is, I am pretty sure the garden beds have to "snap" together at the edges to buff each other; so there may be some kind of "these things are connected" (as opposed to stacked) mechanic involved...

[torn scarab]

hi has anyone made a farming layout with pumpkin, batterfly beans, apples, blue berries, and peppers included?

[supple stone]

Yes. Lots of everything layouts posted in here. I made a post linking to a few the other day, let me find it

[supple stone]

If you're not bothered about having one of every crop, just the ones you mentioned, could probably change things up a bit, but see what you think of the linked ones first @torn scarab

This probably isn't an exhaustive list of all possible everything gardens, just what I found on a quickly search for someone else the other day

[torn scarab]

it's alr! thank you for helping me

[supple stone]

If you want anything a bit different to those, just say

[torn scarab]

i will thank u!!

[clear kindle]

zeki coins here i come. capped gold again

i spent all of my gold on zeki coins

[supple stone]

ALL of your gold? I thought you usually only did half

[clear kindle]

yeah, i said "f it" and bought 100 zeki coins. dropped down to 9k. it's not like i have any other use for gold at this time

[supple stone]

Yeah, understandable! Good luck with your coins!

[clear kindle]

got a few plushes (order sernuk x2, ancient kitsuu, i think both versions of the ormuu and another frogbert)

[raven ferry]

hello everyone id like to ask if there are other ways to fully maximize profit for selling crops? im currently doing this recommended table but id like to know if this is the best or there are better ways

[quick mist]

I maxed all my crafting licenses, but I have to say, growing cotton at first was beneficial and later became disappointing. Can we not have a mass-community field that's portioned for cotton, wheat, and rice?

If you compare to existing live-day models, Farmers Markets (Maji Market) could have a produce stand with Baduur.... and processing the seeds/cheap product to flip like the latter would make sense... this gives access to cotton without sacrificing your garden, worms, and cooking.

[clear kindle]

honestly, in the mid to late game where quality up buffs (cotton, peppers and pumpkins) become obsolete, it's actually better to just buy the fabric that you need for crafting because you can actually make more money from other crops than the cost of the two cotton to make 1 fabric.

[supple stone]

Honestly, that's an OK layout but doesn't have any bok choy (which is the highest profit crop). If you're OK with a little fertiliser, I'd recommend a slightly different but similar layout. Let me just grab it

If you don't care about the bok choy being weed proof, you can replace all onions with bok choy for more profit too

This is not the best layout for profit, that would be full bok choy with harvest boost fertiliser and manual weeding/watering
So it's a compromise between profit and convenience of not having to manually weed/water

[sudden tundra]

I have a couple of probably stupid questions 1 is does the size count on the fish you catch for fertilizer? 2. Does the sunlight ingame actually affect growth?

[clear kindle]

1 - size of fish doesn't matter, what does matter is the cost of the (grilled) fish that gives the amount for worms and fert which is based on the gold that the grilled fish gives. for example (not sure if it's still accurate) - if you grill two mottled gobi(es) together you get a normal grilled fish (200g) that when put into the reg worm farm will give you 22/22 worm/fert and 4/22 worm/fert in the glow worm. however, if you use 2 void rays to make the grilled fish (2210g) you'll get 223/223 in regular worm and 44/223 in glow worm farm. of course these are just examples of non-star grilled fish, star quality is much more (to the point where the void ray grilled fish can't even be in the regular worm farm as it overflows it) - so i guess the best way is the rarer the fish you use the more you'll get out of the worm farms
2 - absolutely not, it's entirely based on growth tics which occur at 6am palia time

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1369869506#gid=1369869506

[sudden tundra]

Thank you so very much for taking the time to explain this, much appreciated!! 🌟

[raven ferry]

thank you so much! ill def try this one out

[lyric swan]

Holy crap. Thank you for this. I didn't realize that's how it worked.

[quick mist]

wait, we can RUIN FOOD and it wins by "Glow By 15?!"

And silverwing eggs?!

[neat vortex]

That just means that feeding ruined food to the glow worms gains 15 more gold in a glow worm farm versus in a regular worm farm

If you sort by that column it's just a measure of how wide the gap is between the results from the two farm types

Ruined food is pretty much always a loss, though

like there are so many better things you could do with your time and ingredients

[quick mist]

I usually pig out on Veggie Chilli when running around... but also am struggling to make green fertilizer. I can't handle fishing (stimuli) as of now so I hold them or just sell some as needed.

At 92% Pheonix focus. So Veggie chilli maximizes at 1K+ focus per bite.

[neat vortex]

You might need more farms, if you aren't able to make enough. However, I suspect you might also be putting fertilizer on crops that don't actually need it, based on our earlier discussion

[quick mist]

Wait...

Some crops DON'T need fert?!

[neat vortex]

If they are planted next to a crop that gives a companion planting buff that is the same as the fertilizer you're putting on, then the fertilizer has no effect

So, yes, some crops don't need fertilizer because they're already getting the buff from a neighbor