🌱│gardening

[fossil lodge]

like this?

[supple stone]

Yeah, focus on getting enough starred seeds to replant your garden first, as starred seeds make a big difference to your potential profit
Putting in a stack of Tomatoes will take 5 hours to finish completely, but will give you a nice number of seeds

[fossil lodge]

aight thenn thankiee sirr!

what about unstarred seeds?
what to do
should sell it all?

got this from last harvest i guess

[supple stone]

You can keep some unstarred seeds in case you run out of starred seeds due to not having enough time to seed everything, but in general, yeah, sell
It's good to sell the starred seeds too once you have a surplus
Anything you can't process in time before your next harvest, sell (at least, that you don't want to keep for cooking or turning into seeds for replanting)

[fossil lodge]

alritee thankiee sirr!!

[neat vortex]

Blueberries are not great for solo processing profit. Neither is cotton. I would do:
cotton -> rice
um... for the blueberry square, fixing that is a little more complicated, since they futzed with the pattern to shove it in there kind of weirdly.
...actually, yeah what the devil did they do here, lmao, one moment

[bronze steppe]

does anyone have a good set up with all plants? lol

[sinful heart]

I don’t mind using quality fert I js don’t wanna have to water and weed tho

[neat vortex]

Here, what do you think of this?
(Fertilizer technically optional, but recommended if you have access to worm farms)
You can also put QualityUp fertilizer - which is craftable if you don't have worm farms yet - on any crops you'd like to improve the star rate for. Bok choy and potatoes are a good bet; if you have/can make enough, it can go on all the crops if you want.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTOBkWRORP-BkPTRWRTOBk-OBkP.HRWTPRO-TRBkPWOBkRT-PTPRWRPBkP-TRBkOWPBkRT-ORPTWRP.HBkO-BkOTRWRTPBk-PRORWBkOTP.H

[sinful heart]

That looks good

How much would I make per harvest

[neat vortex]

Sure, we've got bunches! Do you plan to use your crops mostly for cooking, for profit, or just to have all plants ready and grown whenever you need a few?

[sinful heart]

Also I reached lvl 10 in fishing now so I can start getting good stuff and medallions 🙂

[neat vortex]

"Per harvest" is a little hard to calculate since the crops are ready at different times, and it's best practice to harvest and replant things as they are ready. (In particular, the tomatoes will unwater themselves if they are left harvestable for longer than one day.)

But as you can see from the link if you look, the raw crops are 2,403g per growth tick. Since most of the crops in the layout are ready every 3 days, let's say 7,209g in raw crops right in the bin. That's at level 0, too, not counting your star bonus from gardening levels.

More if you put qualityup on stuff.

If you process your crops before selling them, it increases further.

[bronze steppe]

kinda all three? xD idk if that is possible

[sinful heart]

What is the fert on the corners called

[neat vortex]

I recommend playing around with the settings in the garden planner and seeing how that changes things.

[sinful heart]

Ohh weedblock

[neat vortex]

Not really, I'm sorry to say. If crops are sitting in the ground waiting for you to need them, they're not making you money. Utility crops used mostly for cooking focus food are not good for solo profit. Everything gardens in general aren't very good for profit since they are taking up space with utility crops that could otherwise be used for cash crops, but you can skew the numbers a little bit.

So, pick one to emphasize and we'll find you something

why would you need weedblock fertilizer on the corners

what are you looking at?

[stable ginkgo]

That’s the harvest boost fertilizer on the corners.

[sinful heart]

When it says nearby it means all 8 slots next to it or 4 next to it ima try and make my own

Cuz I think I can get blueberry seeds from my bush

Idk if blueberries are good money tho

[neat vortex]

They aren't unless you host cake parties

Give it a try, though, see how the numbers change! That's the best way to learn

[neat vortex]

only ones touching directly, not on the diagonal corners

[sinful heart]

Bet thanks man

[supple stone]

If only it worked with diagonals

[floral talon]

if onyl buffs coudl work on the exact same plant type

[sinful heart]

Ts a sudoku puzzle

[floral talon]

yeay its a apuzzle

[supple stone]

Tbh, good thing it doesn't as it does promote variety somewhat

[sinful heart]

Ima prolly js use this looks like the most profit possible

Thanks

[floral talon]

yeay but hte way we as players solved it and kinda can only solve it is pretty lame and for many layouts its just extar fertiliser ...

[coarse badger]

I'd like to understand a guide I found a bit better. So I set up my plots like the image included. So once I farm all these up, I think I'm supposed to turn them into seeds and then sell the seeds, is that correct?

How many seed makers do people typically have? It seems to take forever to process stuff into seeds, so I want to be sure that I have what I need.

[floral talon]

tha tlayout requries like 30 as many as u can get

[coarse badger]

Good gravy, people really just have a ton of the seed makers?

[eternal ruin]

as 30 is the absolute limit, it's less about people and more about the volume of seeds being dealt with. This is a pretty common with using a 9x9 plot setup.

You could technically jar the corn (it's an identical payout in identical time) and condense things slightly, but seeding also has the benefit of prepping your next set of seeds for replanting too.

[grand wind]

If I’m looking for a purely highest profit crop with the least maintenance and time, what would I be looking for? Lol

[floral talon]

yeay its one of the reasons nobody really tryhards on farming ur gonna run into processing issues ...

[coarse badger]

I feel like I would lose my mind over that. I will definitely not be heading that direction.

I'm just trying to make some money to start expanding my house.

[oblique lodge]

To know that those optimal settup that would require dozens of seeders only really become this processing-hungry of you harvest them very often.
Most people don't have the time to go every hour onto their plot to harvest and replant, so the true numbers are lowers and more easily processed, you've just gotta find a balance that works

[floral talon]

dont forget the whole u spend tons of time playing crafter ui simulator instead of palia

[coarse badger]

I've become a bit of a no-lifer, so I'm constantly keeping an eye on it, selling as it becomes ready, always watering/weeding. I play while I work, and whatnot.

But honestly, I don't want to no-life only the gardening. I'm just looking to make a comfortable profit, get over the 15k mark for once.

I'm newer, so I'm still trying to get a good foothold, and still having to buy recipes from every Palian vendor.

[eternal ruin]

It's manage your farm, or spam farm chapaa's or rocks.
either way you're gonna be active.

playstyles also be a thing: I'm not going super crazy, but I find myself almost always heading back to my house within the hour at some point, so I can always check it, pluck something, replant, etc. When others say they were gone for hours It surprised me... and this was before the courier pet to take stuff back every 10 minutes.

[coarse badger]

That's exactly how I play. I come back every hour or less, honestly, to do a variety of things.

[floral talon]

i mean gardening is kinda a on the side thing but nowhere near the true monye makers
cough cooking overprep epic/maws fish dishes and powerfishing

[eternal ruin]

So this rare(?), pain in the tail fish is so lucrative it outweighs the grind of gathering them and such to payout over the regular grind, or it is them and the profits from the grind together that is that much more?

[rose light]

Do you guys know of a layout that doesnt need to be weeded/watered and has at least one of every crop?

[zinc arch]

whats the best plants to sell?

[floral talon]

Only common glowworm ones with powerfishing is 60k per hour so its probs double with uncommon rares epics

[neat vortex]

I think that Maws fishing for fish dishes is less profitable for the fish person so much as it's got a roomful of 30 people going "OMG THANK YOU FOR THE FISH" and posting pics of their sell bin afterwards all sparkly-eyed, and that feels pretty nice XD
(though on a mercenary level, bringing your Maws to a fish party is still more revenue than selling them outright, so)

I enjoy being the dari salsa person for those parties, too

[neat vortex]

Yes, these are called "everything gardens" and there are a bunch if you'd like to search the channel.

[neat vortex]

Currently the top cash crops after processing are beans, bok choy, potatoes, rice, and tomatoes. If you're not processing them first, beans drop down quite a bit, though.

[peak pier]

I've been trying to figure out the use for Pumpkins. Noticed the pumpkin stew star quality gives 750 focus so that might be worth it, to me

[sinful heart]

Guys should I save my star crops for seeds/recipes

Or just sell them for the profit

[peak pier]

process them for star quality preserves, IMO

if you can

[sinful heart]

Well I haven’t unlocked preserves do js save them for seedless?

[supple stone]

Make sure you have enough starred seeds for at least the next harvest (personally I keep more, at least for the harvest after too - just in case. But I'm a bit of a hoarder)
As for what starred produce you have left, process what you can, sell the rest
If you don't have many seeders, the I said which were most valuable to focus on first yesterday, let me find the message

This message - prioritise these crops first (most additional profit per hour)

Also, preserves aren't always better than seeders
They do tend to be quicker though, so it's easier to process all your crops between harvests. Especially useful if you don't have many crafter slots yet

[sinful heart]

How much seeders per plant do u have?

Also I’m using the one u showed me yesterday

[supple stone]

I have a layout that focuses on Beans and Bok Choy, and I need about 16-17 seeders for my 8 Bean plants, 5 for my 16 Bok Choys
The other stuff I preserve ( 1 apple tree, 6-8 carrots, 2 spicy pepper, 1 preserve jar each) or sell (rice/wheat). Admittedly a bunch of spicy pepper goes on cooking recipes too, not just preserves

[sinful heart]

So the only star seeds I should focus on would be my tomato’s bok choy and potatoes

[supple stone]

Nah, try to get everything with star seeds so you can replant them with star seeds as a priority

[sinful heart]

Alright rn then ima js try and get 1 or 2 seeders for each

[supple stone]

When you unlock preserves, carrots are slightly better than onions so you can replace them unless you want onions for recipes btw
Tomatoes will be better in preserves too
Bok Choy, Potatoes, Rice/Wheat are all better in seeders even when you have preserve jars - but only if you can process everything
If you're struggling to process everything, stuff excess into a preserve jar - any added profit is better than none afterall

[supple stone]

Depending on how much you play, this may or may not be enough
Bok Choy and Potatoes have quite long processing times so you may need more for them
Carrot/Onion/Tomatoes seed quickly though
Wheat/Rice are middling speed

[sinful heart]

I play on and off so ima try and get 2 for potato and bok choy and 1 for the rest for rn

If that sounds good in ur opinion

Also thanks for all the help 🙂

[frozen coyote]

This is my current layout and I have loads of rice, wheat and carrots. Are carrots really better in preserves than onions??

[winged ember]

does harvest boost stack from fertilizer and crop?

[clear kindle]

no, it's a set amount. fertilizer will need to be applied at every growth tic (or you can stack the fertilizer so that you don't have to run back to your plot) or if you have crops that give the harvest boost that will take priority over the fertilizers

[supple stone]

It's not by a lot, but ever so slightly more gold per day per plant when preserved
However, onions are slightly quicker to preserve than carrots, so basically ends up as it depends
If you are able to process the carrots without affecting the processing of your other more profitable crops, yeah, they're better than onions
If not, stick with onions

[frozen coyote]

I’m not processing anything except pumpkin, beans, blueberries and peppers as quickly as I produce them. I’m considering trying to squeeze in another pumpkin plant, but I am not certain I can make a layout that works. Any advice is welcome.

[mystic skiff]

Can anyone help with the math, on if having 2 glow worm farms take starred potatoes be enough to keep a garden harvest boosted everyday? Or should I pickle them first?

[eternal ruin]

how many harvest boost are you actually using?

[floral talon]

Why worm potayoes ?_?

[eternal ruin]

Well, at any rate...
1 star potato I think is 67 gp, which means for fertilizer you get 9 pieces I think. trying to jar it before worming is only going to lose you initiative, not add to it, so basically you'd need to run 9 star potatoes to cover the entire field for one ticks worth of growth. That also means 9 glow worm farms.

Depending on your actual day and activity, you could arguably worm the stuff ahead of time instead of at the same time, but the smarter approach would probably be to fish up a reliable fish, cook it into a grilled fish, then worm that to condense the time needed to make the fertilizer.

[supple stone]

Grilled fish. This is the way.

[eternal ruin]

If you want to know the fertilizer you get, it'll be GP value of the item/10, rounded, plus 2.
work now beckons. Ciao!

(for harvest fertilizer anyways)

[tropic sluice]

whats a good layout for like afk money?

[floral talon]

Depends to much on pleyer to answer

[unkempt fractal]

Depends on you level and garden layout and your time you have to put into it

[oblique holly]

Hi, fellow Palians! I like gardening and have a question. Which vegetables go well together and produce the best harvest if planted next to each other?

[clear kindle]

all of them. each crop does something different. you can place crops next to each other and the crops adjacent in a + shape will get the benefits from said crops. potatoes, tomatoes and cabbage give water retain, carrots, bok choy and onions give weed protection, apples, blueberries, corn, wheat, rice and beans give harvest boost (highly recommend this buff above others) and cotton, peppers and pumpkins give quality up (useful during the lower levels sub 20). they are all useful to each other just depends on your game play and style, just don't plant same crops next to each other if the layout is not a mono-crop layout.

[oblique holly]

Thank you very much 😊

[bronze steppe]

sorry i had to go yesterday. well do you have an example of all three so i can switch it up

[worldly lark]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/
When using this website to make an estimation of profits, when selecting seed makers or preservation do you have to select the total amount of the machines you have per crop? Or do you have to select the amount of machines you will use per that specific crop?

eg: I have 3 preservation machines in total, so do input 3 for all the crops I plan to preserve, or 1 machine per 1 crop?

[bronze steppe]

ya'll i made a complicated one xD

[floral talon]

no harvest boost on the apples?

[bronze steppe]

oof thank you for that! xD fixed it

[floral talon]

so that one ment for low levels or something?

[bronze steppe]

idk, its the first time ive ever made a garden. plus it has pumpkins so idk if low levels can use it

[floral talon]

cuz u put so muhc quality up fert on it XD

[bronze steppe]

well my gardening is only at 14, so yeah i guess i have a long way to go to level 25 lol

[floral talon]

then it makes sense

[bronze steppe]

sorry i missunderstood and thought you meant new players lol

[worldly lark]

Trying my hand at creating a layout, not wholly by myself, so I'm wondering if this makes sense or if there are smarter decisions to be made here

[bronze steppe]

how do you add the seed collectors and preserve jars?

[worldly lark]

The tabs top right will give you an additional menu where you can select them

[floral talon]

it dont make sense to me at least XD aslong as its makes sense to the one using hte layout its alright

[bronze steppe]

i feel dumb cause im still confused

[worldly lark]

This one

Nice, my circle didn't copy, lol. The one left of the " i "

[floral talon]

those 3 swirly stripes with dots then crops menu

[bronze steppe]

okay i figured it out, thank you!

[worldly lark]

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what I'm doing with this 😂
But numbers are big so I guess it's good

[floral talon]

i would personally only use the per growthtick button

[supple stone]

^ agreed, per growth tick is great

[worldly lark]

Then it adds up to 2,262. The only thing I'm a bit bummed about with the layout is that I'm not using every single one, so I'm afraid I'll run out of the other crops at some point.. But currently I'd just like to make a bit more money

[supple stone]

It's not too hard to switch up the layout if needed, and you can often switch out a small section of the layout (or even individual crops) if you need more of a particular crop, without having an impact on teh layout as a whole

Can I ask why pumpkins?

[worldly lark]

Because I got sent this picture by a friend, haha. He said it's a good layout for profit

[supple stone]

Pumpkins are fairly mid for profit tbh
They can be kinda beneficial if you haven't yet hit 25 gardening, to try and ensure you get star produce, but the focus would be on giving quality buff to other crops imo

[sinful heart]

Aslong as I fertilize before harvest it’s fine right

[supple stone]

That said, the difference in profit between different layouts isn't always that huge, and you'll probably get some nice satisfaction from using a layout you worked out yourself

[supple stone]

Depends. For quality/harvest boost, no. The extra chance of getting star quality good from quality fertiliser or extra crops from harvest boost is based on how many days the crop had the buff at 6am
For water retaining, no unless you water it manually (which defeats the point of water retaining fert). If it's not watered by 6am, it doesn't grow that day
For weedblock, kinda safe-ish. Just a chance you might get weeds, but it's a relatively low chance.
If a crop is not watered and without weeds, it won't give its buff to adjacent tiles though, so that is also something to keep in mind

[sinful heart]

Bruh well that sucks cuz I forgot to put quality fert I just now did but they still have a day or two left of growth

[supple stone]

You can stack multiple days worth of fert on a tile in advance

And every day with fert helps

So it's beneficial you realised now and not later

[sinful heart]

Ohhh okay

Is palladium only in bahara I’ve never seen them there

[floral talon]

pakium is in elderwoods only now

[sinful heart]

Ohh okay bet

I’m close to elderwoods then I just got fine axe and pick

[mystic skiff]

All tiles. 😍

[mystic skiff]

Cause I'm just growing tomatoes and patatos atm. And have potatoes in excess. While I finish up my mining trophies.

[eternal ruin]

Check below my post earlier for basic suggestion if you havent seen it yet then!

[floral talon]

note to self finish that newby guide

[eternal ruin]

no blueberries hiding in my pumpkin flakes. Unless I didn't seed enough pumpkins.

[neat vortex]

This is from the P-pedia garden generator, which is unfortunately based on incorrect info for pumpkins (or was, not sure if the dev has fixed it yet). It was basing its calculations/guesses on the assumption that pumpkins give 6 or 9 pumpkins per harvest, when in truth they give 2 or 3 (depending on harvest boost)

As it stands, pumpkin plants yield so few pumpkins and take so long to grow that they are basically bottom of the barrel in terms of gold per tile per tick.

blueberries aren't awesome for solo processing gold revenue either, tbh; they're really only much good for gold if you are starting at cake parties

[pastel garden]

Does anyone have an early/mid game farm layout that looks nice?
Most of the times I looked around I either saw farms that were optimized to be the most profitable, but were a massive pain to replant, or other saying they only plant 1 crop and nothing else and don't care for optimization.
Right now I'm thinking of using this layout, but I want to know if there is a better oe with something else. Am currently only farming level 9 so i can't get apple trees

[worldly lark]

Thanks for the clarification!

I thought blueberries were pretty good for preservatives, but I'm guessing you're going to have to have a lot of them then

[floral talon]

Low levels are better of with quality up then weedblock

[pastel garden]

How would I do that? Do i just replace the onions with cotton?

[floral talon]

Heay and the bokchoi but on that layout the outer lanes only get 2 buffs

[pastel garden]

Ah, my bad. The layout didn't save itself so that was completely the wrong layout that I was planning on using.
Is this better?

[floral talon]

Harvy buff can be higher

[pastel garden]

alright, do you have any tips on how?
I don't want to have to use these annoying to replant layouts I see that are supposed to be the most optimized.

[floral talon]

@pastel garden u coudl swap out the weedblock on this one for cotton for example

[floral talon]

i was on phone so couldnt send layouts XD

[pastel garden]

you're saying weedblock like it's one plant, when it's 2. Do i replace both the onion and Bok choy with Cotton and that works?

[floral talon]

yeay cuz cotton is for fabric so u dont care if its star quality so it dont need its own buff

[pastel garden]

please tell me there is something wrong on my end and that is not a 9 tile long farm

[floral talon]

uhm it is 9 soils long but some update broke the scrolling but its just repeat pattern and look at the end i think one plant has no water retain

[pastel garden]

Alright, I changed that layout like you said. This should work out well then until I get access to farming lvl 10?

[floral talon]

yeay till 25 though star chance increases gradually u might switch for weedblock abit sooner but in my experience u need soooo much fabric though u could sell bokchoi seeds to just buy it or something

[pastel garden]

Oh yeah, also forgot to ask, but do I do anything after harvest?
Do i use the quality crops to make more seeds for the farm and sell the rest? Do I make everything ito seeds and seel the seeds? Do I use the preserves jar that I unlocked but have never crafted yet?

[floral talon]

well u can use alot of the fabric to craft preserve jas
cotton > fabric
beans bokchoi potato > seeds
the rest jar
other rest that cant be jarred > seeds

this of course excludes self use in cooking and what not

ur level reseed with starred seeds

[pastel garden]

I only need tomatoes and onions as I mostly only use the Poke bowl for food

Alright. Is there a specific number of jars and seed makers y'all use? Do I need multiple jars and seed makers, or using like only 2 of each is enough?

[clear kindle]

that's up to you and your game play. if you're online more often than not, to where you are growing your garden at a fast pace, you might want more crafters. if you're offline more often, you can probably get away with fewer crafters as the crafters keep running while you are offline while your garden stops growing

[tranquil ginkgo]

Do we have an updated profits spreadsheet with beans and pumpkins? 😊

[haughty scroll]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vdLC5TCrcscE9pX6WySmidQKaCcW9Z7bIAsUuF-dQyM/edit?gid=863722852#gid=863722852

TDLR: Beans = Seed Collector & Pumpkins go in the Preserves Jar and then Worm Farm for max profit

[floral talon]

i prefer to have 30- off each crafter but u can only have 30 crafters on all ur plots at once sadly enuf
so as many as possible the first thing to not keepup with ur processing gets an extra as soon as a new crafting license hits
temp swap something out when u need to smelt or make planks or make fabric
later game u might use crafter as decor or get tired of swapping em and use em as storage for materials

[grand wind]

Okay, so, right now I have 5 Preserve Jars, 6 Seed Feeders, and 13 Glow Wurm Farms. Tat's generally how I try to make my coin. Right now I have a general crop set up. Onions, Potatoes, Tomato, Corn, and Carrots.

However, I'm not sure if this is the best route for profit. I'm just returning so I'm not sure this spread of crops works with the amount of seeders/jars/wurm farms I have.

So basically I'm just wanting to know about my production building ratios and if I should adjust them, etc.

[supple stone]

Are the worm farms for glow worms or profit? What are you putting into them?

[grand wind]

Profit specifically. I sell the wurms/fertalizer. And I put the preserved veggies from the jars into some and then sernuk meat into otherrs.

[supple stone]

I need to look up the maths for worm farm output in order to weigh in on this for sure, but the amount of additional gold you are getting per hour on Sernuk Meat is going to be very low compared to what a seeder/preserve jar can generate
Your choice of crop also doesn't appear to be profit oriented to me, as the best profit crops tend to be Bok Choy and Beans (though both are fairly heavy on the need for seeders)

[grand wind]

Yeah, I haven't touched the game in over a year so everythingg I knew how to do, or seemed to work, seems slower or off now.

I'm down to adjust all my crops/equipment numbers to maximize profit. I just need to know wht those crops/numbers/requirements are, and finding them myself prroved...hard, so I asked here lol

[loud bluff]

Hi guys so me and my partner are new to the game, just started planting a few crops just to earn some money, the quality up fertilizer do we put them on our crops everytime we water them or do the effects stay after the first time putting it on?

[supple stone]

Each fertiliser use will last one growth tick (so generally speaking, 1 in-game day), but you can put more than 1 stack of fertiliser at a time so it lasts several days

[supple stone]

Well, welcome back
So, with preserves, glow worm farms seem to give 50-60% extra gold for processing them, which equates to a bonus 58 gold with potatoes, for an hour of crafting time
Not the worst, but difficult to say exactly how much you gain without seeing the layout you have
Eitehr way, I would assume you'd get more from a Bok Choy/Bean farm, but does also depend on how much you play

[grand wind]

Probably be playing 1-2 hours a day 7 days a week. I haven't heard of the bok choy/bean farm though.

How would that lay out in terms of seeders/jars/farms, etc?

[supple stone]

I just meant focusing on one of those crops (though I do have a mix myself, I'll share my layout)

So this is my layout, with Spicy Peppers/Apples for recipes more than profit really

This is a more profit oriented one, losing out on weed prevention for the bok choys though (and losing out on apples)

The issue with this is you need a LOT of crafters (but I do play more than 2-3 hours a day, and it should keep up even playing up to 10 hours a day on average if I remember when I worked it out

Also, my apple tree is actually offset 1-2 tiles to make it adjacent to 3 tiles of Beans so it gets the harvest boost, and it would have hydrate fert on it instead

For little playtime, DS had a 12 bean setup which might actually work out better for you, let me try and find it

[grand wind]

Yeah, little playtime would probably end up working better. When I get more time I get dedicate I can adjust, but for now, something with less upkeep would be best lol

[loud bluff]

@supple stone ahhhh right okay! Thank you for the information 🥰

[supple stone]

Beans can generate more gold per tile per growth tick than any other crop...but only if you seed them, and seeding takes 2 hours (so 2 in-game days)
So they are perfect for people who want to just leave stuff in the seeders, not worry about them possibly jamming due to lack out output space and have a lot of offline time inbetween playtime

Very welcome kirsty

[grand wind]

Sick, thaat's awesome, thank you! Also, do the ratios matter? Of wurm farms to seeders to preserve jars? And what should I be doing with the crops specifically? Same process, seed then jar then wurm farm then sell?

[supple stone]

So Beans will eat up a large amount of your crafter slots in order to seed everything in time

Oh, here's Duh, do you know what ratios work best for that layout?

[floral talon]

personally i just puit a crafter down fill it put next crafter down fill it basically my storage tells me how many of each need to be put down

[grand wind]

So I'm slightly a little blitzled at the moment, what does that mean? lol

[floral talon]

for example when iget tons of beans in harvest i place down seeders to dump em in if i get more later and seeders arent done i place more seeder
if i get stuff i need to jar i puts ome jars down eventually that figures out hte ratio for me

[grand wind]

Ohhh okay, so you do it by a haarvest by harvest baaasis, not a general layout

[supple stone]

I have about 2 seeders per Beans crop, but I play a bit more than 2-3h per day. I'd imagine that layout would still need 10-15 seeders just for Beans though, even with less playtime (as more bean crops)
The rest - Tomato and onions are definite preserves, Potato is better off seeding for profit, Cabbage can go either way

You'd probably get away with one crafter each for the non-bean crops I think, but you can always add more if struggling to process everything on a day

[grand wind]

I can probably just copy the layout and see what the production is like for me specifically then adjust equipment from there, having the layout is the big plus haha

[supple stone]

Worm bins though, they tend to be best off when you put in high value items like foods from cooking parties or grilled fish

[grand wind]

Yeah, strictly being a solo player, I wasn't really sssure what was best to throw into them for the easiest/.best profits

[supple stone]

Yeah, I have yet to do a cooking party myself too haha

But essentially, worm bins work out how many worms/fertiliser they will produce SOLELY on the value of the item you put in

Grilled fish just adds together the value of the fish you put in (and if you use non-starred fish but it gets starred, you get an extra 50% value on that, which is great). It preferentially uses the same type/rarity of fish

I'd be curious to know how many crafters end up being enough for you though, but no pressure on reporting back haha

[grand wind]

Oh I"ll definitely be posting baack up haha, I just have to find these seeds first, I haven't been to Elderwood yet

[limpid sail]

I need to get my Gardening up is there certain stuff that will get me more xp then other stuff

[supple stone]

Good luck then ^^

[supple stone]

Afraid I don't know the exp each crop gives, but the obvious answers are having more crop plots will be way better and ensuring you have focus and the buff is levelled up at the Phoenix shrine (and you probably knew both of these, so apologies for the obvious answers)

[floral talon]

yeay im to lazy to calc it plus i used to change layout nonstop

[grand wind]

Are these baatterfly beans harder to find? It's taking me aa minute lol

[supple stone]

They're usually at the base of big trees

Also, worked it out. If you get 4 growth ticks per day, on average you would need 12 seeders to keep up

That's 12 just for Beans, mind you

[limpid sail]

Where do I get apples or apple seed it might be a silly question

[supple stone]

First one I got was as a present from Badruu for reaching either level 9 or 10 gardening
However, you can also get some as quest rewards, I think from Nai'o and Zeki 3* friendship quests?

[floral talon]

keep on gardening unles ur past lv9 then do the quest

[stable ginkgo]

Each crop gives the same xp. 4xp per tile per day. Enjoy!

[grand wind]

Okay, maybe I"m doing sometihng wrong with this layout, but the beans take up 4 spots right? So how does that work with 5 beans per 9 slots?

[neat vortex]

It IS possible to plant them overlapping the border of 2 soil plots (even though I hate doing it, because it means you can't move your garden until the plant is gone) - does that change anything for what you were trying to do?

[grand wind]

nvm, nvm, im dumb, it's just how the layout was lmao

[neat vortex]

Glad you figured it out! 2x2 crops are honestly more challenging to manage than trees, in my experience

[weary gust]

Are we really only allowed 9 soil plots? I really like gardening, but I'm not allowed to buy anymore from Badruu

[floral talon]

9 is plenty

[weary gust]

I guess, but again I really like gardening and would genuinely make my entire house plot out of soil if I was allowed to

[supple stone]

Sorry to report that only 9 soil is available through legit means

And haven't heard anything suggesting the devs are thinking of including more

[weary gust]

Thank you, I guess I'll have to pray that they'll consider it

[floral talon]

Then the skill would be called farming xd

[weary gust]

I asked a serious question and you've only responded in rather rude and condescending ways. Just because you might not enjoy it the same doesn't mean you're allowed to put others down for it

[supple stone]

Thing is, adding more soil would need a massive rework of how gardening works - the exp, crop prices, everything

If it happens, it won't be for some time I reckon, as it would be a lot of work

[weary gust]

Fair enough, I'm new to palia and don't quite know everything. Thank you for answering my questions

[supple stone]

Well welcome in ^^

[floral talon]

?_?

[floral talon]

U could farm 1500 trees and 3000 flowers aswel at least
-cries in not having apple orchard plot crafter limitations knapweedbug same plants not giving buffs to neighbours like apple buffing apples

[weary gust]

I'm new to the game, I've been playing for maybe a month now while working a full time job. I can only get in maybe an hour a day if I'm lucky. I haven't even unlocked apples yet and I also like cooking so I kinda need vegetables for that which I can only grow on a soil plot afaik.
Please consider how things might sound to others before you unintentionally insult them next time

[floral talon]

no u plz reconsider how u intrepretate things u rmaking a fuss out of nothing i literly always help everyone
and yeay infinite soils u could plant anything at

this is palia everyone whos mean plays a different game ...

[weary gust]

All you said initially was "9 is plenty" and "then it would be called farming" as if my question was a joke to you when I only asked a simple question because I didn't understand. How was I supposed to interpret that as anything other than 'lol noob'?
Maybe I was a bit quick to judge, but you didn't say anything that was actually a helpful answer for me. I garden in real life too, but it's severely limited. I'm sorry if I just really enjoy growing vegetables in palia

[floral talon]

ok let me know whne u need a specific layout and il make it for u
was on phone couldnt type much

[weary gust]

I appreciate the offer, I may take you up on that in the future. I'm sorry for getting heated with you I just don't like being treated as a joke

[floral talon]

sure tak eme up[ on it i make layouts for everyone
i talkj the way i do its jus tme being me
gues u must have had bad experiences

[weary gust]

Something like that. Again, I'm sorry I took it out on you

[floral talon]

yey we all good bomb diffused

[crisp grove]

testing out what happens here.

[keen basin]

So I'm trying to come up with a new layout that's focused mainly on book choy, for both seeds and pickles, then potatoes mostly seeds but also pickled if exces, then rice for seeds
Tomatoes are fine but mostly for the buff , same as cotton

I'm terrible at planning those😫 please help

[floral talon]

woudl this work

[keen basin]

I was hoping for a more bok choy focused

[floral talon]

ic more bokchoi huh

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bk.YRPBkCrTP.HCoBk-Co.HBk.YRCoBkCrRPCo-PCo.HBk.YTCoBk.HBkRP-T.HCoBkBkRPBkCrT-CrTCoCoBkRCoBkCr-BkCrTPCoBk.HTCoBk.H-P.HCoBkT.HCoBkBkR.HP.Y-RPCoCrTCoCoBkR.H-BkRPBkCrTP.YCoBk.H

a layout that does more what u ask would either not buffwise work or is not possible

[keen basin]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BkR.HPR.HCBk.HPBk.HCo.H-Bk.HC.HBk.HP.HBk.HT.HCo.HC.HCo.H-PR.HBkBk.HCR.HCo.HBk.HP-Bk.HT.HCo.HC.HBk.HCBk.HP.HCo.H-BkT.HBkRCoRBkT.HBk-Co.HP.HBk.HCBk.HC.HCo.HT.HBk.H-PBk.HCo.HR.HCBk.HBkR.HP-Co.HC.HCo.HT.HBk.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.H-Co.HBk.HPBk.HCR.HPR.HBk_L50Cr0.Bk.P8-BkS6-C.P2-CP4-CoS4-R.S3-RS3-P.P4-PS5-TP5

[neat vortex]

I take it you're wanting 100% water retain - is 100% weedblock also needed?

(I don't recommend growing cotton, tbh; better to use QU fertilizer for the very short time you need the buff and get more harvest boost crops packed in there, in my personal opinion)

[keen basin]

not necesserily but it's always welcome
i just want to find a very profitable semi-low maintenance plot that's not too crazy looking so i don't get confused every time i replant stuff

[neat vortex]

Makes sense, so, priority on simple patterns?

[keen basin]

Yeaaah, and money 😅

[neat vortex]

what level gardening are you?

[keen basin]

48 I think

[neat vortex]

Oh gosh you are WELL past the need for cotton, lol!

That drops off by level 10

[keen basin]

49 😅 leveled up today and forgot

I just wanted it for the boost

[neat vortex]

Cotton doesn't benefit surrounding crops when you're past gardening level 38

You are already getting 100% starred crops :)

even with unstarred seeds

[keen basin]

Didn't know about that until today 😅
So, Bok choy is probably the best money, then potatoes but rice seeds are next so I wanted to include those

[neat vortex]

And then tomatoes, yep. Though depending how much playtime you get in a day, beans (as seeds) can be even better.

But they're less easy to do a simple layout with

So, hmm

What do you think of this one? Fertilizer optional, but recommended:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT-TBkR.HPBk.HPR.HBkT.H_NssGtL49Cr0.BkP-PP-TP-RS

It's basically this pattern on all 9 soil plots:

So put bok choy down all the middle columns, then go
tomato-potato-rice down one side and up the other

[keen basin]

Looks easy 😁 can't mess it up 😅

[neat vortex]

IF you want 100% weedblock, it's easy

[floral talon]

so u didnt need cotton quality ups buff?

[neat vortex]

one onion (or carrot) in the center makes it 100% weedblocked

[keen basin]

As I said I didn't know until today, I've had my current layout for months

[formal merlin]

hi, so i think i might got something wrong, i thought that when palia is an online game, the game(my plot) is still going, but today i logged in after 2 days and my apples still werent ready to get, how so?

[keen basin]

It finishes the started day night cycle and then stops

[floral talon]

growhtticks at 0600 palian time when online and one time after

its not 24/7 for balancing reasons

[formal merlin]

oh i see, so when im online its faster than not being logged in

[keen basin]

I like both, probably the straight book choy line cause it's simple 😅
But I'm wondering how would look the most profitable layout when using beans?

[floral talon]

practically yes

[formal merlin]

okay thank you :> also sorry for my grammar, its not my first language

[floral talon]

coudl swap th e weedblock for harvest boost 1 tile crops
mh since u have to check back almost every single growhttick anyways that would actually make sense

[slow flame]

So when you guys put these fertilizers in these layouts. And it says 53. That’s just how many per farm layout? That’s not for one square? Right?

[floral talon]

thats per growhttick

beans take four tioles so 4 fert per growthtick if ferted

[eternal ruin]

I test ran a batch of 10 pumpkins for that myself, no blueberries.

[eternal ruin]

To clarify: while the garden plot stops after it finishes the day, processing machines do keep going, so you can still benefit while away depending on things like seed makers, preserve jars, and worm farms. They do fill up eventually though so there is a limit depending.

[grand wind]

I think 13 Glow Wurm Farm's may be to many

[floral talon]

that really depends on the player but yes its many
hunting mains processing meats for example

[grand wind]

That's how I originally made gold. Hunted for half the glow wurm farms and then pickled veggies for the other half.

But that was when I was able to invest more time. I''m level 120 Hunting with 200 hours played, which I guess is high. But now, less time to invest, so trying to get the biggest bang for my ... time, if you will lol

And right now I'm setting up the bean layout of yours, and adjusting my wurm farms to more seeders, etc

[floral talon]

well i did have a realisation about hte bean layout
since u have to harvest it almost every growhttick anyways i could ditch the weedblock for harvestboost iunstead to nto need fert

[grand wind]

When do the growth ticks happen? Is it every hour?

I basically want to know when I should check back while I go hunting/gathering lol

[supple stone]

6am in-game, so xx:15 irl time

[grand wind]

How long is a 24 hour cycle in-game compared to irl?

[supple stone]

Exactly 1 hour

Midnight is always on the hour, 6am is at 15 past, noon at half past and 9pm at xx:45

[grand wind]

That's fairly simple actually, I appreciate it!

[slow flame]

I finally gotten my hands on beans and a pumpkin seed. 😅 do we got layouts for pumpkins and beans?

[floral talon]

xx:15 depends on timezone of player

[floral talon]

palian time 0600 when online and one time after

[supple stone]

Aren't all timezones +/- 1 hour though?

Sorry, +/- increments of 1 hour

Like, I thought it was xx:37 in all timezones right now

Just the hour being different

[floral talon]

some +30 -30 exist i believe not sure about 15 45 but its definitly never something like 37

im cooking something

lmao this is double my normal rate

[supple stone]

That's pretty huge

Oh wait, that's a decimal

[slow flame]

🤣🤣🤣

[floral talon]

no its almost 8k

[slow flame]

What chu cooking up over there?

[supple stone]

Then it is rather large indeed

[floral talon]

i call it the crafter cloggynator

[slow flame]

Beans?

[supple stone]

ie, Beans to the max?

[supple stone]

How big a focus do you want them to be? The main focus?

[floral talon]

dont htink ucan bean any harder then this tbh

[slow flame]

Well dang

[supple stone]

Yeah, figured it would be like that

[stable ginkgo]

yep, 19 is the max for 2x2's

[floral talon]

ok so if anyone is going to constantly ask whats most money imma send this

[slow flame]

🤣🤣🤣

[supple stone]

Think you would clog 30 seeders getting any more than 5 growth ticks per day

[floral talon]

uhm u can clog 30 seedrs before that but lets ignore that the layout needs wormers to operate lmao

[slow flame]

How long do beans even take to make into seeders + canned beans?

[supple stone]

On average, 19 Bean plants produce 57 Beans per growth tick, but this is back-loaded into the last 6 days of the growth cycle
The maximum that can be processed per irl day with 30 seeders is 360
If we go by averages, 5 growth ticks gets you 285 Batterbeans per day, 6 gets you 342. So both within the limit of what is processable...but that is only if you ignore it's backloaded

[slow flame]

I’m curious

[supple stone]

You can do rice-wheat-rice-wheat for slight gains, probably worth having middle one as something otehr than rice

[eternal ruin]

In this case alternating isn't needed cause the beans boost the rice and vice versa. So pick which gives more or what the mood is.

19 plots versus 16 augmented plots.

Both are boosted I mean, but one does it automatically.

[supple stone]

...of course haha

Probably should go to sleep if making silly mistakes like that

[eternal ruin]

I think the fertilizer is 240 for each bean through a full cycle, so with 19 that means you pay about 2k unless you swap out rice in that corner to cover two plants for free, so it behaves like 28.5, Whereas other does need any fert upkeep, but it's only 24 (though there is also the cost gain from whatever crop you use).

Even with fertilizer I think the 19 plot one wins out. A lot less work to deal with if you do the other one though.

but got to pick up food so no math atm.

[slow flame]

I like the low maintenance layouts. I don’t mind to weed and water if I come back to my plot anyway typically. Just tryna figure out how many seeders I’d need for that.

[supple stone]

Though will say, might not be necessary to stockpile Harvest Boost fert for the tryhard Beans
If we say 5 growth ticks per day, you need 380 fertiliser per irl 24h
1 worm bin would need to produce 16 harvest boost fert to do this, which means the value of the worm food would need to be 140 or more...which is actually doable

[supple stone]

For Beans, if you were to play 24/7, you would need 6 seeders per Bean crop you have
So, the following formula will give the number of seeders you need total - JUST for seeding Beans

(expected growth ticks per day)/24 x 6 x (number bean crops)

Or to simplify it slightly,

(expected growth ticks per day) x (number bean crops) / 4

[slow flame]

So.. if I played for 3 growth ticks.

3 x 16 =48/4 =12

I’d need 12 seeders? To make enough beans to replant?

[neat vortex]

4 fertilizer * 12 days, right?

Ah, times 5g, I understand

[supple stone]

Ah, not to replant
If selling beans, the only thing that make them worthwhile growing is seeding them and selling all excess seeds
So, that formula is how many you need to process all the beans you make

Bean base price is actually rather low, and preserve price is better but not by enough to justify growing beans really

Also, the formula is the average number of seeders. You produce all the Beans in the latter half of the growth cycle, so if we use your 3 growth ticks, you could have days with no beans produced and some with 2 large harvests

Sorry if my thinking/explaining doesn't make sense, I should (and will) go sleep now haha

[stable ginkgo]

I'm team no fertilizer (i dont mind weeding and watering) to make it easier on myself so I prefer the windmill layout. I tried doing like 40 bok choy needing harvest boost fert and it drove me crazy. I had to click so many times. May not be as bad with a 4 space crop but man was it personally annoying for single spaces. props to anyone who actively places fertilizer on specific crops of an everything layout.

[floral talon]

Its still crazy farming can get u 50k per day with the to much beans layout lol but so much fert

[eternal ruin]

So 19 bean(boosted), 5 bok choy(boosted by beans)
bean: 5521.5=828>x19=15732> -437 (replant) = 15295 > x3.91 seeding=59807.36
bok choy: 601.5=90>x5=450 > can process 4 times during beans, so x4=1800 -240 > 1540 x2(seeding) = 3080ish...minor detail.
fertilizer per bean: -240x19=-4560
19 beans to replant: -23x19=-437
5 bok choy to replant: -30x2=-60 (extra bok choy seed. minor detail so ignoring) x4 = -240
Total value: 58327.36ish after seeding.

Pinwheel beans
16 bean 17 rice. All boosted by each other.
bean: 828 x16= 13248 > -368 (replant) = 12880 > x3.91 seeding = 50360.8
rice: 81 x17= 1377 (runs 4 times) - 135 (replant) = 1242 > x4 = 4968 > x1.63 (seeding) = 8097ish
16 bean replant: -368
17 rice replant: 27x5: -135ish. minor surplus seeds.
total value: 58457.8ish after seeding.

Surprisingly... the non-fertilizer actually wins by a teensy bit... but given idid futz some small math I'd say they're about equal.

[fierce flame]

Is there anyway to destroy crops once you've placed them? Trying to make the perfect garden and I accidentally misplaced a few plants....which has ruined the whole set up.

[eternal ruin]

take out the hoe, r-click. It will destroy the plant and seed, but it will clear the spot up.

[fierce flame]

Thank you, kind Palian.

[fierce flame]

Btw I love this layout. Self watering, 100% weed prevention.

[neat vortex]

Looks like a variant of one by Ilyeana Heartstone :D #🌱│gardening message

I love the simple patterns in it, though tbh for this variant, I don't think there's generally a good reason to grow cotton past level 10 or so

(or even before it, ngl)

I would probably put it around the outside so it doesn't interrupt the self-buff on the grain tiles, but there are disadvantages to that, too

[loud bluff]

Anybody know if we will eventually be able too have more crop plots? I love making huge crop gardens but only being able to have a certain amount of slots is 😪

[neat vortex]

Highly unlikely, unfortunately - gardening is pretty tightly balanced as a source of passive income, and ime a lot of more casual players already find 81 tiles overwhelming.

This is the third time they've added new crops, and the number of soil plots has stayed the same from the beginning

However, if you feel strongly about it, that's a great thing to send in to the devs via the feedback survey!

!feedback

[compact coral]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[loud bluff]

Ah yeah I understand feeling overwhelmed but the plus side is its everyone's personal choice how many slots they have, im so used to being able to dig as many holes as I like so when I started a few days ago I was a bit shocked I couldn't have as many thats all 🤣 ill defo leave some feedback with the suggestion thank you 🙂

[eternal ruin]

Counterchallenge to that: folks want all the spots but want an easy how-to cause they don't want to lag behind. It's a pseudo FOMO thing as well.

counter-cozy I suppose. XD

[zinc arch]

whats the secondary use for the hoe?

[mint sandal]

Tweaked my cross layout (see here #🌱│gardening message) to add bushes and make it an everything garden
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-B.HB.HBkB.HB.HTCbOBk.H-O.HBkT.HPCrPTRO-Cb.HBt.HBt.HC.HBt.HBt.HBk.HT.HBk.H-T.HPCBkWRC.HPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPC.HRWBkCPT.H-Bk.HT.HBk.HS.HS.HC.HS.HS.HCb.H-ORTPCrPT.HBkO.H-Bk.HO.HCb.HT.HPm.HPm.HBk.HPm.HPm.H_D360L75

Then I modified that to add more grain tiles and save a bit on fertilizer (added 4 grain tiles and went from 40 hb fert to 28 for 100% hb) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-B.HB.HCbB.HB.HOCbOP.H-TRBkBkCrTTRBk-CBt.HBt.HPBt.HBt.HC.HPC-PBkTRWRBkTBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkTBkRWRTBkP-C.HP.HC.HS.HS.HP.HS.HS.HC.H-BkRTTCrBkBkRT-P.HO.HCb.HO.HPm.HPm.HCb.HPm.HPm.H_D360NrcL75

[mint sandal]

Secondary use is digging up/destroying a crop. Should be the same button that you use to fill up the watering can

[zinc arch]

wow theres so many in depth things on this game holy!

[fossil lodge]

Hello guys, im going to join a cooking party but on most celeberation cake was slot on apple or sweet leaf (i only saw two theese for beginner friendly)
what layout to use for growing apple? Thanks

[supple stone]

Try searching '4 apple', 'diamond apple' or 'afk apple' in this chat, you'll get a few options.
On my phone which is having issues or I'd link a few myself

[fossil lodge]

alrite, thankie sir

[white steeple]

guys help, i wanna do the max profit of gold using a easy pattern... any recommendations?

[iron quail]

Is the boosts bug also keeping it from working?

[floral talon]

Aqaij windmill

[supple stone]

How much do you play during the day, do you want it to be water retaining and weed proof (absolute max money is without this) and how many crafting slots do you have / want to use?

[white steeple]

i usually play 1-2h per day, it depends... and i have all the slots!

but i think at least have a good water retaining, idk :c

[supple stone]

If you want to use hydro fertiliser, this will be pretty much max money possible
Very heavy on seeder use

But otherwise, was going to link Duh's one haha, beat me to it

[white steeple]

long life to beans, i like it hahaha

im gonna prove this, thank u very much ^^

[supple stone]

Oh no, the beans don't live long, they get mercilessly ground into seeds asap

But enjoy your beans!

[pallid cipher]

Hello
Maybe someone here can help me... I am now over level 25 in gardening and need normal hot peppers. But now I only get star quality. Does anyone know how I can get them without a star?

[supple stone]

You can use star quality peppers for everything that a normal quality pepper would be used for...what do you need the normal quality ones for?

However, you can get normal quality peppers by planting a regular quality seed (Zeki sells some)
Level 25 gardening only guarantees starred produce if you use starred seeds. You will still get a lot of starred peppers, but some would be non-starred

[pallid cipher]

Need them for cooking.
I've already tried that too, unfortunately I was apparently lucky enough to only get star quality ones.
I will keep trying. Thank you very much

[supple stone]

There's a checkbox for 'Use star quality ingredients'
If you don't have star quality ingredients for other things needed in the recipe, it will automatically use your normal quality ones
If you only have a few star quality versions of some items (like Dari Cloves, Heat Root) and want to save them for better recipes, put them in your lockbox storage

[pallid cipher]

Ohh, that's new to me. Thank you all the more for the information

[safe badger]

I keep forgetting to get the lockbox recipe. Thank you I'll get that today

[slow flame]

I am also Team No Fert. I don’t have the patience. However, I think I will be trying out your pinwheel layout with the beans I’m hoping I can get a good timing down for it.. I’m kinda sad that 1 bean is 1 seed.

[simple moat]

heya, im wondering what the "best" crop layout would be? online i find many different layouts, all focusing on other things. I'm quite new and honestly not the best with calculating stuff like that so the garden planner tool is too confusing to me ;c
i just want something thats profitable honestly! i dont mind watering and weeding daily. i just want some gold. currently running some bok choy / rice thing but I feel like its a bit clunky ;c

[supple stone]

1 bean to 1 seed is actually great imo. Unlike the 1 crop to 4 seed crops, it doesn't clog your seeder before processing a stack

[supple stone]

How much do you play per day?

[simple moat]

uh.. all day long bascially.. (like 12 hours-)

[clear kindle]

any layout that you can reliably grow and process and works with you play style is a profitable layout. even the most basic of basic (row of tomatoes and a row of potatoes) will make you gold.

[supple stone]

Then you need a tradeoff between processing time and possible profit.
Max bean layouts are the best for money but you can only process them if you get 5-6 growth ticks per day on average really

[steady pulsar]

hi, i have a low level of gardening but i am trying to improve it and i enjoy it. recently i ventured into the elderwoods and found batterbean seeds? do i need to be a certain level to grow these? thanks

[supple stone]

No minimum level needed, but they are bad for profit unless you seed them, and they take a long time to seed. This means they need a lot of seeders and are likely not worth it until later on.

[simple moat]

sorry im a bit slow, does that mean if i play 5-6 ingame days per day its best for money? and by beans do you mean just plant batterflybeans?

[steady pulsar]

alright, thanks for telling me. i don't have any seeders yet

[supple stone]

Beans = Batterfly beans, yes
So, growth ticks happen at 6am ingame. If you were on at all during the previous hour, you get a growth tick I believe. So, if playing in a solid chunk, 5h playtime gets you 6 growth ticks
If you stop and start playtime in small chunks, you get many more growth ticks

[supple stone]

If what you want is money, I'd advise starting with a different crop then, unless you want beans for recipes or quests. Well, you'll want to mix crops so you get minimum of harvest boost on most things

[steady pulsar]

i was just curious what would happen. i'm too early on to maximize crop plot for profit, i think

[simple moat]

alright then I will plant beans ^^ thank you. I got lots of spare time at the moment so thats doable. what do I do with the slots that i cant have beans on as beans are 2x2 which leaves a few slots open?
edit: maybe rice for harvest increase?

[supple stone]

Look at the message I replied to here and Duh's post above this post.
I'd advise Duh's layout, it's more convenient and not loads worse
Especially if you play a bunch

[simple moat]

thank you, i will check it out ^_^

so from that I would put all tomatoes into the preservation jar, have 4 seed collectors with 1 crop each and the leftover stuff I sell?

still trying to understand the whole layout planner thing T_T

[untold seal]

Im trying to profit as quickly as possible with apple jam but im not sure which fertilizer is best for that: speedygro, harvest boost, or quality up?

[clear kindle]

harvest boost all the way, every day. speedy grow is broken and has been delegated to only be bought from badruu with guild coins. quality up is only useful until around level 20 as you start to get star crops from star seeds anyways. harvest boost gives you 24 apples per tree per harvest, if you have the 4 tree layout, that means you get 96 apples every harvest round

[untold seal]

Thanks so much!! I hadn’t considered any of that. I have nine tree layout

[clear kindle]

that's a lot of fertilizer

[untold seal]

Is there any specific consumable needed for the worm farm for harvest boost?

[clear kindle]

remember, apples take 9 fert at every growth tic to make sure that you get the full benefit

savory foods give harvest boost

[untold seal]

So like meats?

[clear kindle]

grilled meat, grilled fish are the ones that work the best

[untold seal]

Ok thank you so much!

[supple stone]

Grilled Fish has higher value, often higher than many cooked foods too. This means it produces more fertiliser per hour and will help you keep stocked. But yeah, harvest boost is basically the only worthwhile fertiliser if you get no boosts from other crops. 50% additional yield is insane

[gusty plover]

Hey guys! Pretty new to the game, I’ve been doing a bit of gardening but I want to learn more to be able to profit more. Few questions:

1. I had a game tip that said certain crops give other crops benefits if planted together. Is there a wiki page or anything that will show me which crops to plant together?

2. Is there a certain layout I should be following? My plot is currently a 3x9, should they be spaced out into 3x3s?

I play in big chunks(like 5-10hrs depending on the day), but occasionally I do afk and the game kicks me off after a while. Any extra beginner tips that don’t relate to my questions are appreciated. Thank you in advance

[clear kindle]

1 - yes, different crops do give different boosts to neighboring plants in a "+" position. tomatoes, potatoes and cabbage give water retention meaning outside of the first planting (and multi crops in certain situations) will not need to be watered. bok choy, onion, and carrot give weed protection which prevents weeds from growing in your garden that will stop growth of the crop if left on them. apples, blueberries, rice, wheat, and corn all give harvest boost which gives 1.5x harvest crops. cotton, peppers, and pumpkins give quality up which increases the chance that your crops will be star quality (and thus worth more when sold/processed)

2- layouts are determined by what the individual player can comfortably work with and process. i would NEVER recommend focusing on having a 100% weed protection layout until after you get the weed whacker achievement (pick 1000 weeds) as early, easy renown is super important, knapweeds give a little bit of gold and you most likely are still having to run back to your plot to drop things off to go back out to forage. once you have that done, then you can look into afk plots where you are able to stay out longer without worrying about tending the garden.

you can make the garden in any shape you like, however for the most part, having all 9 soil plots (the max you can have) in an attached square shape is the easiest way to make sure you get all of the buff space available. gaps between plots do not give bonuses

3- bonus tips - crafters run while you are offline, crops grow one stage when you are offline then stop, so don't plant crops then go to bed thinking that you will have crops available to harvest when you wake up if they are not ready after that bonus growth stage when you log off.

[strong pewter]

Good afternoon I need a optimal layout for Apple Trees, no need to be starred, since it's for making Honey Lures. Anyone have anything for me? Would really appreciate one I don't need to water and remove weeds from, since I don't login often for the sake of checking the garden.

[oblique holly]

Dear gardeners, help. I've planted two blueberry bushes on two soil plots, and they grow well, give berries etc, but these two soil plots interfere with the redevelopment of my plot. I tried to move them - it doesn’t work. I tried to cut them down with an axe, a pickaxe, a rag - no result. I also cannot put these two soil plots in the inventory, because there are crops on them (these two blueberry bushes). How to remove bushes from of soil plots to give me a possibility to move these soil plots? Thanks in advance.

[burnt yarrow]

Gardening hoe is the one that takes away the crops, there is a feature for tilling and one for taking them away

[clear kindle]

options, apple jam also makes decent gold

[oblique holly]

How exactly should I use a hoe to remove crops? Usually in the same way as if I were cleaning the soil plot?

[slow flame]

Was wondering if anyone has a good garden layout recommendation for money making? I have one, but wondering if it’s changed since there’s been new crops added

[floral talon]

Rclick

[oblique holly]

Thank you very much

[strong pewter]

Thanks a lot!

[slow flame]

Is it better to sell starred cotton or turn them into starred cotton seeds?

[floral talon]

turn into seeds
best option is for self use in decor and stuff one decor item uses cotton and ALOT use fabric
this is cheaper then buying it later

[slow flame]

Noted! Thank you

[neat vortex]

This is at least the second case of convergent evolution I've seen, that's very cool :D
(the first one I know of was when DS and I both came up with the Diamond Layout at pretty much the same time, though he posted his here first)
#🌱│gardening message

[mint sandal]

Oh, neat. Haven't been in this chat for a while so I missed those

[wide zealot]

What are you using to create this?? I love how detailed it is!

[ocean gust]

Hello! do any of you have a pumpkin and apple combination recommendation for the plot soil figure ?th ank you! please @ me 😄

[neat vortex]

palia-garden-planner.vercel.app - also linked in the pinned messages in this channel

[mint sandal]

Here,made this for you. Wasn't sure how many of each you wanted so I put 2 apple trees and 2 pumpkin patches, all of which are naturally harvest boosted by nearby crops. The whole thing is 100% water retain and weedblock, and you can bring harvest boost to 100% with 21 fert if you care about that. And ofc all the crops can be substituted with ones that have the same buff to accommodate your needs
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HC.HP.HCbP.HCb.HRCO-CR.HPmOCbPmRPO-PmCb.HP.HPmO.HC.HRCbP-AAAAAAAAA-CrOCCbP.HCbCOCr-AAAAAAAAA-PCbRC.HO.HPmP.HCb.HPm-OPRPmCbOPmR.HC-OCRCb.HP.HCbP.HC.HO.H

[ocean gust]

Thank you so much!! ❤️

[mint sandal]

Yw! Hope it helps

[ocean gust]

As for you, out of curiosity, what do you grow on your garden? 👀

[mint sandal]

This is my current layout. I grow everything but cotton, but I can easily replace some grains for cotton if need be
#🌱│gardening message

[left bane]

does using lots of fertilizer boost give more crops than just using the amount needed?

[mint sandal]

No. If you stack 5 it just means the fertilizer will last 5 palian days, the boost doesn't multiply

[left bane]

oh ty so it loses effect if u don't continue applying?

[mint sandal]

Yes, which is why stacking a bunch is useful cause that way you don't have to remember to reapply fertilizer every single palian day

[mossy skiff]

Here’s one I planed, how is this? I use the Bok Cho for worms, cotton turns into fabric. Might have less cotton and more Bok Cho next time. I don’t normally plan my plots so not sure how good this is.

[floral talon]

thats really ez to plant and water retain al bve it super heavy on fertiliser for that

[gusty plover]

just seeing this, but ty so much for the info and expplaining it so well

[untold seal]

If you’re on switch its X

@clear kindle do you fertilize once per harvest or once per watering?

[clear kindle]

if you are using fertilizers the harvest boost needs to be there at every growth tic for it to be 100% effective. if it's missing a day the percentage of effectiveness goes down and it may not work

so, if you're an apple farmer using harvest boost fert, you would need to place an initial stack of 99 fert on each tree and keep replacing it as it goes down in order to make sure that you are going to get the full harvest. and remember - apples take 12 in game hours to grow to first harvest and uses 9 fert at each growth tic (12x9=108) then it takes 6 hours again until the next harvest times 3 (9x6=54, 54x3=162) so for 1 apple tree you would need 270 units (the initial 108+162 for the 3 other harvests) per tree

if my math is right, i hate math

[eternal ruin]

I think you math is more or less right, and if not the concept is solid.

[untold seal]

Ok thank you!

[stray portal]

Dear Palian Gods.....Would you please consider, seperating our crop plots into single crop sqaures that connect to each other? please? thank you; Sincerly, A blueberry farmer, who wants to make nice crop plots T-T

[eternal ruin]

I lend you this magic 8 ball, so that you may remain hopeful, but later be reminded it's just a plastic toy filled with very staining blue liquid that taunts us all endlessly.

[mystic skiff]

I really do wish we had at least a few more crop plots, the 2x2 make things so awkward to plant on the 9x9 tiles.

But I would settle for just a few more crafter licenses. There's just so much new stuff process after the EW update.

[rich kestrel]

Hehe... As a avid lover of our fellow Illusion fox, I am unsure how to feel about the EYES of your profile picture... XD

[eternal ruin]

Twas a cute gift, and such, I won't look a gift pic in the eyes! ^^ And the mouth in this case given the angle.

[eternal ruin]

Well, you get some solace in that doing a pure monoculture is less productive than a mix, so small saving grace? XD

[neat vortex]

Here is another option - pumpkins go where the peppers are, no other changes needed to keep the same buffs.
#🌱│gardening message

[mystic skiff]

Lowkey, i wish pumpkins would've been 3x3 and had better keep up with the other 2x2 and sole 3x3 crop. Like balance its bad boosting ability and clunky growth cycle with bigger yields or more gold. As a focus food alternative to growing apples.

[neat vortex]

I agree, that would have been nice

They're too slow for focus food imo, at least for the trouble they cause for the rest of the layout

Max 12 pumpkins per plant per 15 hours of game time (ish)...

though a friend of mine has taken to dumping gardening medals into speedygro fertilizer, which I think is likely to be unsustainable, but that friend also loves petit fives as focus food, so idk

[mint sandal]

What a weird choice of focus food

[neat vortex]

ikr, harder than cakes for the same individual costs, mostly

at least that's how I think

they do sound delicious and they look pretty placed

[mint sandal]

Also I wonder if the devs are planning to up the max focus limit cause one of the new EW recipes (I think the veggie chilli?) gives like 100 or 200 over the curent 1k focus limit when starred

[neat vortex]

nah we've had over-limit focus foods for ages

I'd be surprised if they raised it

[mint sandal]

Oh, I guess I never noticed. Must be recipes I never use lol

[neat vortex]

(cakes, muujin Bahari, lucky braised fish)

LBF gives over 1k unstarred

[mint sandal]

I noticed my focus goes down faster than it used to, so maybe they will. That would finally give me a way to spend my renown

[mint sandal]

Whoa!

[neat vortex]

as it damn well better considering it has TWENTY FIVE minigame steps and requires minimum 2 minutes per round due to timed flips

LBF party aka time to get my laundry folded lol

[mint sandal]

Still need to get that starred for achievement. The one time I tried with 2 friends we just could not get it starred even if we still had plenty of time left

[neat vortex]

It's not needed for accomplishment

(That's steamed fish)

[mint sandal]

It's not? Oh good

[neat vortex]

Yeah the accomplishment doesn't require any of the event-exclusive recipes, only the ones you can buy from the inn cash register

[eternal ruin]

the speedygro fert is still bugged to boot as I understand it. >_> but okay.

[neat vortex]

"but I'm always home for the growth tick anyway" friend said shrug
nvm that it also interferes with HB buff

[eternal ruin]

<choiceresponseretorthere>

[neat vortex]

(skips the application of it on the bonus growth ticks, so you always run the risk of losing the bonus yield)

There's a reason you don't get it from glow worm farms anymore!

imo the only reason it's in the guild store still is because it's required for a quest, if you choose a certain dialogue option

[slow flame]

I have officially acquired all the crafting permits.. I am getting excited on trying out this bean profit stuff

I am assuming that the seeder will become back logged, correct?

[neat vortex]

No, it will run through a full hopper of beans without stalling

up to 62 hours unattended run time

[slow flame]

So what were people talking about the beans becoming back logged? I was gonna set up 12 seeders to prepare myself for replants

[neat vortex]

Unless I misunderstood what you were asking - which I did, oops

[slow flame]

Is it the bean seeds that are profit or the canned beans? I’m a bit sad about the seeders only giving 1 bean seed. Just tryna make sure I’m gonna do this correctly before I screw it up. 🤣

[neat vortex]

Yes, because of the slow processing time and high yield, if you don't have enough seeders to keep up with your number of growth ticks, you will end up with a backlog of beans

[slow flame]

I could put the rest in jars, correct?

[neat vortex]

seeds for sure - 34g starred bean to 135g starred seed

Sure, I guess, or take them to a bean burger party

[slow flame]

Is the bean burger parties where the profit is?

[neat vortex]

or be the bean donor for soon tofu (focus food, but also 105g per bean ain't too bad either)

[neat vortex]

only recipe that gives you more gold than seeding the beans

[slow flame]

🤣 be the bean donor. I gotta get this new farm set up here soon. I’m just waiting on my last yield from my apple trees

Alright, bet! I’mma hopefully set some crafters up. I may not need 12.

[neat vortex]

Depends how much you play and how many bean plants you plan to have, really

The planner can help you calculate it

[slow flame]

It might fluctuate depending on the hours I work. But I am for 3

[neat vortex]

nod nod

Should be about 1 seeder per bean plant, at that rate

At 6 growth ticks per RL day, it's 2 seeders per bean plant

plus whatever else you need to keep up with bok choy, potatoes, rice, wheat, etc

and reseeding your jar crops ofc

I've been playing too much recently and managed to completely overrun my seeders on two separate characters two days in a row <_<

#whoops

[slow flame]

🤣🤣🤣 So how do you guys combat that issue? Or you just don’t?

[supple stone]

If it is a one-off, stuff the extra beans in storage.
Likelihood is you'll have days where you can process the overflow due to life getting in the way.
Or, add more seeders.
If you play a lot though, very possible to be impossible to keep up with the beans. At which point, either cooking parties or change your layout

I have a bok choy/ bean layout myself due to this haha
Should be fine up to an average of 10 growth ticks per day with only 22 seeders

[eternal ruin]

Beans are good as a 'on limited time' sort of crop. If you're around more actively, you will get a bit less clogging with other crops and reasonably similar (and/or better) results. Just don't know exactly numbers myself. >_>

[supple stone]

I think having at least a few bean crops will always be optimal, but if you're playing more then the maths does become more complex haha

[mystic skiff]

The back log pain is real. 😭 I had like 1000+ beans that I couldn't process. 😂 I still have 400 of them left to process.

How do bean preserves compare to bokchoy preserve?

[supple stone]

Canned Beans, you less than double your base sell price as opposed to quadrupling it by seeding (for a starred Bean, base sell is 34, Canned is 61 and Seed is 135)
Bok Choy is far less severe. Base price of 45 for starred crop, preserve is 67, seeds are 88 - so 1.5x for preserving, just under double for seeding
Preserving is quicker for both crops too - Bok Choy it's 3x as fast to preserve rather than seed, beans just under 4x as fast

As such, kinda worth preserving the Bok Choy if you have a backlog, but imo not really worth preserving Beans

[mystic skiff]

I see thanks. I do have a few preserves running if I start getting a backlog of bokchoy. Seeding them is good money but I hate walking down to Zeki's to sell them off, as I'd get more than I can bin off. The prevers converting 1:1 makes then easier to stack and sell off on days I don't wanna go into the village.

[slow flame]

Does anyone know the garden layout that makes a ton of gold?

[neat vortex]

It'll depend on your playstyle and resources, but there are a couple options listed if you search "minmax" in the channel and filter for links

also where did that bullseye-plus-beans layout go...

[floral talon]

U mean the qrcode one or the anna one or the other one?

[lavish lotus]

Which do you reccomend for best quality/profit? I’m thinking make apple jelly, kimchi, and pickled potatoes for profit with he star versions, take the regular and make seeds. And interchange cotton with anything I need at the time? Maybe? It’s getting complicated lmao. I was normally doing 9x9 tomato, potato, bok choy and cotton lol 😂

[neat vortex]

this one by Yexol: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you?

(Presumably past level 10?)

[floral talon]

😮 thats a surpsingly smart design choice giving abit of everyhting its so similar to the qrcode ones i made yet different

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I was impressed!

[floral talon]

it seems pretty usefull though i prefer less maintenance (dude just wants to harvest orchards)

[lavish lotus]

Yeah 24 right now but haven’t done something this complicated yet lol

[floral talon]

now i feel urged to show him the confetti lmao

[neat vortex]

Unless you are regularly hosting cake parties, I don't recommend blueberries for profit, and apples are only middling, though they do reduce your replanting labor significantly, so they can be nice that way.

Cotton gives almost 0 benefit at your level if you are planting starred seeds (you should be getting nearly 100 percent starred crops already at 24 anyway), so not much point to that when harvest boost would benefit you so much more, as I reckon it

the top cash crops are indeed beans (as seeds), bok choy, potato, rice, and tomato, though, so you're on the right track

Beans, bok choy, and potatoes are all worth more as seeds

[lavish lotus]

Any chance you can do a layout for me and what to sell, seed, jar😭 to be honest I mostly went for profit to sell star tomato seeds, star pickled potatoes, star kimchi, and star cotton, then I’d put the normal ones in seeders and replant the normal ones but I was trying to get more profit but also I love cooking in the game. Sorry 😅😂

[neat vortex]

...and tomatoes should be jarred, haha

[lavish lotus]

Wait so bok choy as seeds are more profitable then star kimchi???

[lavish lotus]

Oh really? 😅

[neat vortex]

51g per tomato

[lavish lotus]

I currently 6 seeders, 2 glow worm farms, and 5 preservatives. Mostly because I was decorating and doing the story, I just finished, but I’m sorry, it would be a great help 🙏🏼

I can get more too if necessary

[neat vortex]

(sorry if I seem brusque, on my phone and moving around a bit)

[lavish lotus]

No you’re perfectly fine! I wanna learn for sure lol

[neat vortex]

I'm sure we can find something you will like :D

gimme a bit to settle in for the morning

[lavish lotus]

I’m on console and just started playing not long ago lol and thank you! 🙏🏼 yesss im a visual guy so seeing the layout and key points helps a lot. And I appreciate it 🙏🏼

[charred portal]

For using the glow worm farms, what is the best fuel to have max fertilizer/value of fuel?

[mint sandal]

Grilled fish is an excellent option

[neat vortex]

Unfortunately, "fertilizer per value of fuel" and "max fertilizer per unit" do not line up, as the really cheap fertilizer is from the very cheap stuff (less than 16g) that gives you more fertilizer value than the item itself is worth

[charred portal]

yk, I want an option that is fast and easy to produce like potato or apple

[neat vortex]

In that case, if you want something from the garden, I recommend feeding starred pickled onions to regular worms. It gains 23g when processed (more fertilizer per fuel value), and 31 pickled onions won't stall before they're finished being eaten.

For glow worm farms... um... unstarred tomatoes/carrots, if you're still producing those? or starred pickled corn edit: or starred napa cabbage kimchi, if you're making that anyway

Glow worm farms are best used to process all those cheap mushrooms and meat from hunting

You can check Arenvanya's fertilizer spreadsheet (linked in pins) if you'd like to look at additional options

It's not updated for EW yet, but anything that has the same input value as anything on the list will have the same output values

[charred portal]

aight, appreciate your help!

[neat vortex]

I am guessing you need harvestboost fertilizer?

[charred portal]

yes, when I said "value of fuel" ig I couldn't say what I meant. I meant how hard you can achieve it, I believe gathering potato is much easier than sernuk meat or even canned corn. I mostly focus on farm so I use tons of fertilizers, and prudcing a canned product takes time so I cannot have enough for each farming cycle, I was looking for something easy

[neat vortex]

How many fertilizer do you need per growth tick?

i.e., how many tiles in your garden need fertilizer

[neat vortex]

Okay, I'm back (with caffeinated drinks, even) - so, you were saying you really enjoy cooking, yes? Any favorite dishes?

[lavish lotus]

Yesss I got my caffeine too haha, and yesss and well I’m looking to cook ag least 1 star dish each to save, but love poki bowls, sashimi, sushi, and onagiri. So far farming, cooking, and decorating have been my favorite! But going from my noob garden layout to upgrading for more profit and realized idk what I’m doing lmao. 🤣 from what to plant, layout, seed, preserves, what to sell, etc lol

[mint sandal]

If you use up a lot of rice, I have this everything garden layout rn that has lots of rice in it. It's 100% water retain and weedblock though it does require 30 something hb ferts to get harvest boost to 100%
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Astrea's was one of the ones I was gonna point you to :)

Any Everything Garden can be modified for profit just by subbing out some of the less-profitable crops once you have enough stocked up for cooking purposes

[lavish lotus]

Ooooooooo, I like that, I’m going for profit but also love cooking so this looks good 👀👀 I’m also on the game a lot so I can tend to it a lot. I think this layout is good for my gardening profit and also cooking so I’m excited, thank you so much! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[lavish lotus]

Tysm 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[neat vortex]

As for what to do with what...

• save whatever you need to save for cooking (until you reach whatever is "enough" for you to feel like your needs are covered)
• make seeds for replanting
• seeds: beans, bok choy, potatoes, and anything that can't go in a jar
• jar: everything else
• and for HB fertilizer, you can either...
  • feed glow worms cheap forageables and meat (9-13g mushrooms etc., ogopuu meat, sernuk and muujin meat...)
  • feed regular worms your pickled onions

[mint sandal]

Wheat is more profitable as seeds too? I gotta start seeding and selling those

[neat vortex]

How, um, how else would you process wheat? 😅 other than cooking with it, which is typically better than seeding it depending on the recipe

[mint sandal]

I was just cooking it or selling it it as is when my storage is too full

[lavish lotus]

Wait, can’t potatoes go in a jar too? So profit would be jarring bok choy, potatoes, tomatoes, apples, and seeds for beans and the others you mentioned?

[neat vortex]

Ah, yeah, seeds if you've got the processor space for it and can't cook with it all

[neat vortex]

"can go in a jar" is not the same as "more revenue in a jar"

[mint sandal]

Some crops are worth more when processed into seeds, vs preserves

[neat vortex]

Pickled potatoes are 102g per potato
Potato seeds (you get 4 per potato) are 120g total per potato

The processing time is longer, but for most players that isn't an issue as the crafters continue to run while you are not online

[lavish lotus]

Just blew my mind

[neat vortex]

Same deal with bok choy and beans

[tribal musk]

Hi im new i have some questions; how do i remove the tomato plant? and if anyone have a crop rotation for beginners to be able to earn gold

[lavish lotus]

Okay okay, so.

Astrea garden layout.

Eliot profit layout

[neat vortex]

Welcome! You can right-click with your hoe to destroy a plant (you don't get anything back, though)

[mint sandal]

(It's x on switch)

[neat vortex]

Here is another everything-garden option by Ilyeana Heartstone that uses a bit less fertilizer:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Bt.HBt.HCBt.HBt.HPCPC.H-ORTTCrOOWT-P.HS.HS.HBk.HS.HS.HP.HBk.HP.H-OCbORCrWCbOCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbOCbWCrROCbO-P.HC.HP.HPm.HPm.HC.HPm.HPm.HP.H-TWOOCrTTRO-Bk.HPBkPB.HB.HBkB.HB.H_L45

but iirc it's not quite as profit-focused

yeah, definitely not

[lavish lotus]

Thank you both so much 🙏🏼

Imma figure out the profit layout a bit. Confused me a little but I’ll get it I’m sure lol

[mint sandal]

It can be good profit, I put more bokchoy and less onions in mine

[lavish lotus]

The seed and jar part is confusing, so seed beans, bok choy, potatoes

Jar the rest? Or is there more I should seed based on astrea layout (second part for rice and I’d probably replace carrot for bok choy

[neat vortex]

tbh I count onions as a profit crop because they are ideal for poke party overprep, but that's my onion bias talking...

[neat vortex]

You COULD do that but you'd lose the weed prevention on those tiles

[tribal musk]

anyone have any crop rotation for beginners make profit?

[neat vortex]

Yes, give us just a minute

or search the channel

[lavish lotus]

Ooooooh, hmmm 🤔 carrots stay it is then lol 😂

[neat vortex]

the main substitution I might make on Astrea's layout is subbing in beans for the other 3 bushes

but 4 bean plants can get you into trouble very quickly if you get a lot of growth ticks per RL day

[lavish lotus]

Hmmm 🤔 I’ll have to try both. Both otherwise is there more I should seed for profit or jar for profit based on the second example layout on Astreas layout?

[neat vortex]

Was there something I didn't cover here? #🌱│gardening message

That should cover every possible crop

[neat vortex]

How many soil plots do you have, and what level gardening are you?

[tribal musk]

i have 6 soils im just lv 4 gardening

[lavish lotus]

Oh I’m just double checking! I wasn’t sure if the there was more to seed or jar since you mentioned anything that can’t go in a jar but jar everything else

I’m sorry I’m still new and was a little confused 😭

[neat vortex]

Aha, you almost have seed collectors unlocked (level 5), very good

Buy more soil plots as soon as you can, but until then, here is an easy temporary starter layout. You can put it on every soil plot. If you have them fully pressed together, it's even better.
#🌱│gardening message

Then, once you have seed collectors unlocked and have bought the rest of your gardening plots, I like the Bullseye until you are able to get your crafter licenses up enough to run bean seeds

There is another option here also
#🌱│gardening message

[tribal musk]

that its for just 1 soil? each soil is 9 spaces no?

[neat vortex]

Yes, for just one soil, so repeat it 6 times and add more as you buy more soil

[tribal musk]

oh ok ok thanx

[neat vortex]

When you have all 9 soil, you can switch to something else like the Bullseye or Lucas Dylan's 3 lines layout

[lavish lotus]

Okay for my own notes. Based on Aestera garden layout 2nd example

For profit

• Jar: Apples, Onions, carrots, tomato, corn, spicy pepper, Napa cabbage, blueberries
• Seed: Beans, Bok Choy, Potatoes, pumpkin (interchangeable with another bush?)

And rice for cooking

Please correct me if I got it wrong 🙏🏼

[astral portal]

does anyone have an updated list of what crops sell for (including base price, starred price, and both seed and preserve price)?

[neat vortex]

I would keep all of your pumpkin for cooking and stop growing it as soon as you have enough; it grows very slowly and is bottom of the barrel for profit. If you somehow end up with excess you can't cook with, you can jar it.

[lavish lotus]

Sounds good thank you! Otherwise how’s all that look? (Of course I’ll make seeds to regrow as well)

[neat vortex]

looks good, and excess rice can be seeded

[lavish lotus]

Thank you so much and thank you for being patient with me 🙏🏼

[neat vortex]

Happy to help.
Other notes: cabbage, peppers, and blueberries (if not used for cakes) are also utility crops, so if you can sub them out for their more profitable cousins once you're stocked up, I would.

[lavish lotus]

Perfect, thank you so much 🙏🏼

[neat vortex]

I actually do not have one easily accessible; I should fix that.

The values for all but the new crops are on the wiki, on the PaliaTracker gold profit tool (https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit), and here iirc https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

Rockhopper Pumpkins

4 harvests of 2 (3 with harvest boost) pumpkins each over 15 days (9-2-2-2)
Raw pumpkins
88g base
132g starred
Pumpkin seeds (4 per pumpkin, 1 hour 40 min processing):
25g base (100g per pumpkin)
37g starred (148g per pumpkin)
Canned Pumpkin (1 per pumpkin, 31.5 min processing)
101g base
151g starred

Batterfly Beans

4 harvests of 6 (9 with HB) beans each over 12 days (6-2-2-2)
Raw beans
23g base
34g starred
Bean seeds (1 per bean, 2 hrs processing)
90g base
135g starred
Canned beans (1 per bean, 33 min processing)
41g base
61g starred

I should update the wiki table on the Gardening page, but the way they have it calculated/presented makes my head spin

[astral portal]

oh my god thank you so much

[neat vortex]

If any of YOU would like to tackle the wiki table... here ya go, knock yourselves out:
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Gardening#Going_to_Market

[neat vortex]

You may also find this interesting:
(Crop Revenue Rankings, though it only deals in starred crops)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=1265607500#gid=1265607500

And the garden planner of course has all the new crops integrated, including their processing values and times: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[astral portal]

huge help actually thank you omg

[simple moat]

I feel like I'm doing something wrong with this
I planted it like the picture, added the correct fertilizer to the 2 potatos and 1 tomato. I check in every day, replant what has grown, remove weeds.. but some crops are "done" earlier/later than others, sometimes soil doesnt stay watered even though its supposed to have 100% water retain. is the game just buggy? or is it me? ;w;

and if im being quite honest im not sure how to profit from this the most. like, do i just make seeds and sell the ones i dont need, what stuff do i put in the jars etc.

[lavish lotus]

So just waited the time to compare prices. So far I got

Bok Choy Seeds vs Jarred:

Output: 4 seeds
Time: 1 hour 12 minutes (72 minutes)
Gold: 88g (for 4 seeds)
Gold per Minute: 88g / 72 minutes = 1.22 GPM
Gold per Hour: 1.22 GPM * 60 minutes = 73.2 GPH

Bok Choy Kimchi (Jarred):

Output: 1 Kimchi
Time: 36 minutes
Gold: 67g (for 1 Kimchi)
Gold per Minute: 67g / 36 minutes = 1.86 GPM
Gold per Hour: 1.86 GPM * 60 minutes = 111.6 GPH

So would I focus on jarring star bok choy vs doing seeds?

[clear kindle]

all crops have different times when they are done. beans for example take 9 growth tics until they are ready for the first harvest. once crops are fully grown, or if a crop has multiple harvest and is not harvested the same hour when it becomes ready, the water retention will stop working.

[clear kindle]

seed the beans, rice, wheat if you are harvesting everything, pickle potatoes, i think you pickle tomatoes as well, but i could be wrong on that front

[simple moat]

sorry, i meant that all my beans have different harvest times as the other beans i planted at the same time, same for the tomatoes, they dont match up with the other tomatoes that got planted at the same time as well. I make sure to harvest and replant every ingame day for hours on end

[simple moat]

thank you ^_^ i will do that.

[clear kindle]

did the beans and other crops ever have weeds on them for more than a growth cycle? i.e. you gardened, left to go do something out in the game for more than an hour and then returned to the garden to tend to it?

[grim osprey]

If I'm level 25 in gardening and only plant star quality seeds, do I need crops like cotton or spicy peppers for the quality buff ever again or will every harvest be star quality?

[simple moat]

nope, i always go back at 6am to check on everything :( and if i log off its right after getting rid of all weeds etc

[lavish lotus]

Also @mint sandal what are your thoughts too🙏🏼

[clear kindle]

don't need them unless you are needing the peppers for cooking. you will be getting star crops from star seeds now. the only time you would need them is if you have to plant regular seeds

[eternal ruin]

Is it possible you were planting/watering this whole set for use and a growth tick happened midway through or similar?

[simple moat]

if the growth only happens at 6am, then no, i made sure i had enough time before the first 6am came around

[eternal ruin]

I have one or two crops of my own that are off sync. There's a small chance there was a buggy weed or similar that slipped into the action and set everything off sequence. Several are off... I'm not sure what happened there, but best theory is you forgot to check for weeds on a particular day and got them next and didn't realize. >_>;

Assuming no bugs. Not something I hear come up often.

as for watering issues: While normally things stay hydrated with water retain, fully grown crops don't maintain it (though a fully grown tomato will styll hydrate adjacent tiles). If you replanted but didn't rewater the actual retaining crop, it won't retain the others, so maybe some moments like that happened to create weirdness. I don't know your watering can level, but always good to double sweep to make sure you don't see any unfilled or partially filled spots.

[lavish lotus]

Also for potatoes too

Starred Potato Seeds:

Output: 4 seeds
Time: 1 hour 24 minutes (84 minutes)
Gold: 120g (for 4 seeds)

Starred Pickled Potato (Jarred):

Output: 1 pickled potato
Time: 54 minutes
Gold: 102g (for 1 pickled potato)

[simple moat]

i have the best watering can and i go over everything twice to make sure its all watered as i struggled a bit when i just started playing lol. might have been a buggy weed? im not sure, honestly. we are still in beta so it could be

[eternal ruin]

Condolences to the chaos and good luck on the next set.

[neat vortex]

As far as things not staying watered: that sounds like either
(a) there is a crop position swapped by accident (extra-hard to double check since the crop buffs aren't inspectable right now)
(b) a multi-harvest crop sat harvestable for longer than 1 growth tick and then needed watering again after harvesting
(c) your water retain fertilizer ran out before the crop was done growing (since 1 fertilizer is needed per tile per tick for any crops you put it on)

edit: or what Coldstone was saying about sneaky weeds

[neat vortex]

if you replanted but didn't water the actual retaining crop, it won't retain the others
In my experience, just having the seed in the ground, even completely untouched, is enough to give its neighbors the buff?

I use this all the time to get crops back in sync (e.g., if I accidentally harvested something early and didn't have enough seeds to fully replant, or if I was changing crops for part of the layout and want to re-align it with other crops of the same type)

[eternal ruin]

According to the reading it has to be hydrated as well, at least while growing. I've had weird cases with things, but I know a fully matured one can stay dry but still hydrate.

[neat vortex]

Please point me to the reading?

I can't wait until they fix that dang visual bug with the buffs not showing...

[eternal ruin]

I'm not sure which spot exactly on that, so could be a derp on my part. Though I read somewhere on it though. I'll see if I can find it in a minute.

Hmmm. So it may be a mistake on my part and it doesn't need to be watered, but I know I've had periodic moments of dry spots that seemed to not be covered by a hydrating plant. Could be a bigger mistake not realized on my part.
Next time my garden cycles I'll test it.

[neat vortex]

Jar your tomatoes (after pulling out some to make seeds for replanting), seed everything else before selling.

If your seedmakers aren't able to process it all, the priority order is:

• beans first
• then potatoes
• then rice
• then wheat

If you have no other choice, jar your potatoes, and maybe your beans.

Other options for excess produce:

• take your rice to a rare/epic fish sashimi or sushi party
• take your wheat to a bean burger party (1 wheat per round)
• take your beans to a (different) bean burger party (3 beans per round)
• or attend various focus food parties and either eat or sell the food, depending on what you need

[simple moat]

c is definitely not it, i put like 50 on them lol. i will double check that its actually all in the right place as im 99% sure i have not missed a growth tick. if its all correct it must be a buggy weed ;c

[simple moat]

thanks! gonna save this ^_^

or maybe i will just scrap everything and replant >.<

[neat vortex]

lol that one is... a lot of damn beans

and still having to deal with weeds 😒 not my favorite lol

[simple moat]

right now 5 of the bean things are still there, and 7 were fully harvestable. gaaaah

[neat vortex]

urk, yeah, weeds are the worst

at least if you like your crop cycles tidy

How many growth ticks do you tend to get per RL day?

[simple moat]

i tend to play like 8-12 hours a day atm, but only just started using that specific crop layout

[neat vortex]

oh lordy

(I mean, I am the same, but that is not a layout for the marathon player xD)

[simple moat]

what would you suggest to use? im open for anything honestly 😭

before switching to that one i used bok choy and rice

[neat vortex]

Hm, you're gonna need something that can be fully processed in under 15 RL days per 180 growth ticks

If things staying in sync is important to you, would you consider an AFK layout (100% water/weed, plus as high harvest boost as possible, gaps filled with fertilizer)?

The profit will be a little lower, but the frustration ratio should be much less

[simple moat]

i want to maximise profit but do like to have things nice and tidy, but if its just not possible.. then its whatever :') i just need gold

[neat vortex]

Have you been given the "cooking parties are where the gold is" spiel yet? 😅

[simple moat]

nope! im still quite new lol

[neat vortex]

Gardening is pretty powerful but it does not hold even a shadow of a candle to cooking parties

I brought 100 rice to a mixed-rares-and-epics sashimi party yesterday. damn thing took forever, over an hour (very slow for sashimi), but I walked out with 105,000g or so

(revenue)

(cost was obviously 100 rice and an hour of my time/doing a repetitive task)

[simple moat]

tempting. 😭 any advice on a crop layout for specifically cooking parties then?

i dont mind if its repetitive, as long as i can buy everything i want afterwards 😂

also side question, is there a way to get rid of unwanted fertilizer? my hoe isnt removing it with right click, but its what google recommended to me

[neat vortex]

The top crops for cooking parties for profit are onions, rice, tomatoes, wheat, blueberries ONLY if hosting cake parties, and arguably corn (but fish taco parties are in my opinion super annoying)

[neat vortex]

the only two ways that I know of are

• put a single unit of a different fertilizer on the tile for a buff the crop isn't getting from a neighbor, then wait 1 growth tick for it to be consumed
• plant a multi-tile crop on top of it, as that pulls all fertilizer out of the soil

[clear kindle]

apples work if joining cake parties, though they should all be starred version

[neat vortex]

Sweet leaf or even batter are more profit, but cake parties need apples, so if it's the difference between "you get cakes!" and "the cake party doesn't make," having apples on hand can be nice

sylvablade is an apple specialist :)

[simple moat]

so working towards having lots of starred apples would be a good idea?

[clear kindle]

what can i say, i love my apples

[neat vortex]

um, idk, I'm a sweet leaf specialist lol

I have 100 starred apples chilling in my storage in case of a friend cake party emergency, but otherwise I don't grow them regularly for cake parties

[simple moat]

cake party emergency, i see 😂

[neat vortex]

It will depend on your community, really

[clear kindle]

they are mid-tier for profit, but if you are able to get them up and going, especially if you are online to get them the initial 12 hour til first harvest, they do make for easy money along with being able to "leave it and forget it". the layouts that i;ve used are 100% water/weed/harvest and i just tend to the apples (and now beans) so it's not a big deal to replant

[neat vortex]

Yeah, the main advantage of apples is definitely that they are very low labor as long as you've got them properly buffed

[clear kindle]

and between you and duhscape that's been super easy

[simple moat]

that sounds good. i dont mind being an apple provider then. is it usually that one person brings one ingredient to the party?

[clear kindle]

still love those layouts

[neat vortex]

that's us, the Apple Buffer Companions

[neat vortex]

Yes, typically one person will cover one step in the recipe

[simple moat]

i see, then i shall get my friends to cover the other ingredients 😂

[neat vortex]

Fruit froster (3 of them per party) bring 1 apple and 1 sugar per round of cakes. So, if it's a 60x cake party, you bring 60 apples and 60 sugar, and two other people do the same, and 15 other people cover the other roles.

Result: faster cakes, higher star rate, higher profit

[clear kindle]

another good thing i like about the apples, petite fives give decent focus (400/600) and relatively easy to make

[neat vortex]

apples for petit fives hurt my soul

a dagger right in my little spreadsheeting heart

[simple moat]

can i find the layout for the apples with water retain etc somewhere?

[neat vortex]

they don't even have the virtue of being easy and fast like Soon Tofu

[neat vortex]

Yeah! The Diamond Layout

Lemme pull it up, if sylvablade doesn't beat me to it

[simple moat]

lol its not a race :D thank you

[clear kindle]

i have this set up for quick reference

[neat vortex]

Here it is
#🌱│gardening message

[simple moat]

so many options it seems

[clear kindle]

for the one with blueberries, you can swap out the blueberries (especially if you're not going to host cake parties) for beans. i'm running that one with two beans and two berries

and i just focus on the beans and apples, beans to seeders, apples to preserves. nothing else gets harvested unless i accidentally misclick

[simple moat]

that sounds convenient. thank you! i think i will try that out

i gotta move my soil though if i plant apple trees now. they wouldnt fit in visually anymore ;c

[clear kindle]

it's the ultimate set it and forget it layout. for a minimum of 6 growth tics (first bean harvest from plant) you literally don't have to do anything with it. it also allows you to not have to weed the water retain crops as you can have 8 weeds with no downside effects

[clear kindle]

yeah, but they require a useless crop to make (peppers)

[simple moat]

of course i only own 3 apple tree seeds :') aaa

[mint sandal]

Oh, I don't do the maths when it comes to jars and seeds, I do what Ren and DuhScape recommend

[lavish lotus]

No worries! I really appreciate you both and your patience 🙏🏼

[floral talon]

i dont do maths either i just know somethings are bette at something so i use that for certain cases or recommend it for poeple with certain preferences math isnt needed cheatsheets are way easier

[clever rain]

Hey peeps, I've decided return after a long hiatus
My knowledge of the game has evaporated, I barely remember the controls.
What should I feed my worms for Harvest Boost ferts? Ice cream and coffee...
I don't have access to new crops like beans etc yet, so something that was available two years ago.
Thank you in advance!

[floral talon]

if its sweet the fert is quality up
other stuff is harvest boost
i recommend exces hunting meats and mushrooms whos gonna cookt with hundreds of htose htey arent for meta foods
and grilled common/uncommon fish not ur rare/epics oens althoguh that can be funny

[lavish lotus]

My brain was getting confused with the profit for each so I just did the math for my own personal reasons since I’m newish 😭🙏🏼

[floral talon]

ur welcome to do it but im like this number is bigger hten the other one so this is better since this is better i only use this
(basically a really low effort minmaxer... )

[lavish lotus]

Gotchu gotchu lol I like that, honestly I’m doing this to myself torturing myself. I normally just did lines of tomato, potato, bok choy, and cotton. Jarred and bam. Low effort, good profit. I just decided to try something new today and it’s been an allllll day thing that’s frying my brain but I’m hoping for positive results 🙏🏼

[clever rain]

Cheers for the response, much appreciated! I dumped most of my excess meat yesterday because I was desperate for cash, whoops!
Hunting we go, wheee!

[terse ibex]

Does anyone have an Everything Layout handy? I like growing, well... all the things

[mint sandal]

#🌱│gardening message
@terse ibex this is my current layout, but there are many more floating around. Search "everything" in the channel and you should see a bunch

[terse ibex]

Thank you

[open river]

Did the pinwheel layout, hope my plants dont desync 👍

[stable ginkgo]

Nice!!

[wooden crypt]

for surronding plants to gain buffs do plants need to constantly be planted next to each other?

[clear kindle]

yes, and grown plants that have not been harvested will still grant their buffs as well

[golden estuary]

Hi so I’m wondering how harvest boost fertilizer works in combo with harvest boost crops (like corn and rice)

Does it stack or should I use a different fertilizer if all of my crops are already harvest boosted?

[clear kindle]

harvest boost crops (apples, blueberries, corn, rice and wheat) all take priority over fertilizers. there is no benefit (other than storing excess fertilizers) to have both fertilizer and crop that boosts the same buff

also, harvest boost, as well as all the other buffs, need to be present at the time of every growth tic in order to be 100% effective

[golden estuary]

Ok sweet that’s what I was thinking lol. Is the speed boost fertilizer worth using?

[clear kindle]

speed boost is broken and delegated to only being bought from badruu for guild coins

[golden estuary]

Rn my plot has 100% water retain and harvest boost, im level 27 farming and everything is quality and i dont mind weeding

Nooo ok

[slow flame]

@stable ginkgo I’m so excited to try your pinwheel layout!

[golden estuary]

Ty for the help with that!

[fossil lodge]

Hello guys, Im looking for layout with cotton? and apple could there any ? for newbie

plot already 9x9

[fierce flame]

Guys where do I get SpeedyGrow?

Delaila needs it for a quest and I'm trying to save up my guild tokens

Nvrmnd just read up and discovered its broken

[slow flame]

Just planted my pinwheel garden! ❤️

[neat vortex]

You should have received some during an early quest leading up to the Temple of the Flames - so you should be able to request it, if you didn't save them. Folks who have gardening medals to spare may be able to help out :)

[lone marsh]

Apples are level 10 gardening skill. But I have a layout I use that has cotton

[peak island]

How long does it take for apples to grow/mature? And how many cycles before the plot empties or does it never?

[jovial lava]

12 days initially and then harvest 3 times every 6 days

[peak island]

Thanks!

[fresh turret]

Hey neighbors. I'm wondering if anyone else has been unable to garden since the Elderwood update? I can't plant or fertilize anything. I can still water and harvest, but once the plant is harvested, I can't replant. I tried picking up the soil plots and replacing them. I tried putting one on a different lot.

I submitted a ticket, but I don't expect to hear back.

[broken ridge]

I’ve not had this problem but did you submit a ticket here or in game? I don’t know what their response is like here but I’ve always received a response going through Player Support. It takes a bit of time but they do respond

[floral talon]

and u did till ur soils properly?

[timid ginkgo]

i'm shiny new and its working okay for me 🙂

[fresh turret]

I submitted a ticket a few weeks ago. And I tilled everything. I've tried lots of times. I have about 700 hours on this game, so I promise I know how to do it.

[floral talon]

mh must be a placement bug as if u cant select the seeds or is it the "ghost of hte crop appears ove rthe tilled part and u still cannot place it?

[fresh turret]

The ghost appears but I can't place it.

Most of the time, anyway. Sometimes it doesn't go to placement mode when I select the crop.

[floral talon]

mh i had that a few times but it always got fixed after just trying 10 more times

[remote needle]

What is everyone's beginner friendly crop that can make decent coin please? I am only level 2 in gardening right now so can't make seeds or pickle my crops yet.

[steady gull]

Hello. Im looking for a layout that have "everything". For cooking partys.

Is that possible.

[eternal ruin]

Someone asked for an everything crop semi recently. If you search everything in this channel it'll probably pop back up.

[floral talon]

we have many in our selection

[steady gull]

Found it.

[eternal ruin]

At this level most stuff is fine: the best increases to profit is steadily working your plots to the full 9 sets and taking advantage of crop boosts.
If you use tomato/potato, carrots/onions, and wheat/rice in assorted rows or similar, you can get some boosta to minimize your work effort and gain more value. Try looking up beginner in here and there may be some pictures or similar examples to help.

[remote needle]

Can't seem to find an image with layouts.

Would this work:

I get 100 on water retention too.

Wish I can get multiple harvest with potatoes like I do with tomatoes.

[clear kindle]

for a beginner, i would say it works. this is what i started with when i started palia, especially since there is a renown achievement (important early on) that requires you to get 1000 weeds.

[remote needle]

Thank you!

Wish we got skill points for watering and tilling too.

[clear kindle]

just make sure that your focus buffs are up while harvesting and spend your renown at the phoenix and dragon shrines in kilima gardening will increase fairly quickly

[boreal cloak]

how did you do this?

[remote needle]

Which one should I do first the dragon or phoenix one?

[remote needle]

With the garden planner here: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?ref=paliatracker.com

[boreal cloak]

ohh thank you

[remote needle]

You're welcome!

[clear kindle]

yes /jk - i would try to keep them both at a near equal run. maybe put a few renown into phoenix then dragon (dragon would probably take priority) but both equal will grow well with most players

[remote needle]

Is the dragon one for skill boosts?

[clear kindle]

correction, phoenix priority, then dragon at the same time. phoenix is the one that gives the bonus, dragon increases your focus bar

[pulsar nimbus]

do they have maxes?

[clear kindle]

and this is why i will never recommend a 100% weed layout to new players, the shrines take 4,000 renown each

and yes, they do have maxes, focus bar maxes out at 1000, bonus maxes at 100%

[remote needle]

Phoenix gave me a focus bonus of 35%

[clear kindle]

so that means that now everytime you do something that gains exp, as long as your focus bar has something in it, you will receive an +35% on the experience

once it's maxed out (at 100%) it will be double the exp

[pulsar nimbus]

ooooooooo i was wondering about them consequences! it didn't seem like anything changed when it was empty

[clear kindle]

yeah, needs to have something in it to get the bonuses. which is why leveling them up relatively equal works well as as you get more bonuses, it will drain the focus bar faster, the larger the focus bar is you can get focus food that gives more focus so that it decreases how much you need to eat

[true dagger]

Has someone made a sheet using the new crops for the best lay out?

[remote needle]

I got my focus bonus up to 53%

[fresh turret]

I keep hoping it will resolve, but it's been over a month, and I try every time I log on.

[floral talon]

il keep this in mind in case more poeple have this problem but idk how to fix it

[clear kindle]

and now the grind... it will slowly start to get to the point where giving renown will only give you 1% increase

[remote needle]

My max focus is at 400 now.

Might stick here til my gardening level is at 8

I also need to find out what my fishing level needs to be to get the glow worm bin.

[floral talon]

keep reminding ur local duhscape to work on that gardening for dummys 101 guide

[floral talon]

8 or something

[remote needle]

I think the regular worm bin should help some too?

[floral talon]

yeay it helps but u dont need that many regular worms i got enuf to comp all regular worm things just from random rewards left and right wiht hundreds to spare ...

[remote needle]

I haven't gotten alot of worms that way.

[floral talon]

just make like a hundreds or two hundred max
thats 2 stacks u mostly want to fish wiht glowworms anywyas

[remote needle]

I got the recipe for the worm bin now

I want the bin for the fertilizer also

[floral talon]

theres a little trick for lots of output
output based on coin value
dish value based on ingredient value
fish valueble
grill ur campfire fish like the useless commons not ur special showof look what i caught maws or epics select fish to grill manually

or just 24/7 excess meats and mushrooms

[remote needle]

Putting mushrooms into the worm bin gets more fertilizer?

[floral talon]

i mean u keep getting more nad more and more of them eventually ur like well im not gonna cook with that many
but since ur new u probs don thave to many yet unles u really into foraging same for meats and being into hunting but it s a nice way to dump em and get osmething usefull

[barren temple]

Any tips on what the most lucrative crop is? I don’t mind if it takes a long time producing crops, just looking to maximize my sales when I harvest.

[clear kindle]

beans and bok choy are apparently the top crops to process to seeds for money

[barren temple]

Thanks! I will get them into my rotation asap!

Do the seeds sell for more than the actual crop?

[clear kindle]

processed always make more than just the raw crop

[barren temple]

I never knew that! I’ve been using my star crops to make star seeds to then make more star crops to sell, never once thought about selling the seeds too!

[remote needle]

I thought it was tomatoes and bok choy lol

[clear kindle]

tomatoes and potatoes i think are also in the top 5, others can correct me

[remote needle]

That's what I went with since I can't get a steady supply of bok choy.

[remote needle]

I have to try to save some crops for cooking though so I can continue to keep my focus up too.

But the more I cook the more Reth flirts lol.

Dang it lol

[west basalt]

Hi friends! I need help figuring out a garden configueration. I have 4 seed machines, and 4 preserve machines (will be able to get more soon). I am trying to make a layout that firstly maximises profit- and second is 100% weed proof and water retention. I don't know how possible that is or if someone's already made that layout but i'm having a hard time finding one. If y'all could help me out i'd appreciate it!

[remote needle]

Wish we can help Badruu with his farming jobs to earn seeds

[neat vortex]

We've got plenty of those! Search "minmax" in the channel and filter for links for a list (not all are 100% weed/water, but some are). The 100% weed/water are usually called AFK layouts, so that's another good search term.

I personally recommend either the Bullseye (with or without beans subbed in, depending on your playtime per day) or, if you don't mind bought fertilizer and prefer the pattern of it, Lucas Dylan's Three Lines layout.

This is BUGGING me but I don't know if trying to cram this 4th bean plant in here just makes it a mathematical impossibility to get that last bit weeded and watered...
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1111111-1000001_CR-O.HBkPTBtBtPBtBt-T.HBkR.HPO.HPRBkT-OPTBkBtBtWBtBt-O.HPRBkT.HBkRPO.H-BtBtWBtBtPBkPT.H-RTP.HBkP.HBkO.HTR-TBkO.HBtBtPBtBtT-O.HBkRTP.HTR.HBkO.H-RBkO.HTP.HTO.HBkR.H_D180GtL50Cr0.BkS4-RS2-OP2-TP3-WS-PS4-AP6

I feel like I need to either re-propagate the pattern from the left or the right (I was trying to get them to meet in the middle, and I think that's where my problem stemmed from), but I'm not sure if the corners will work any other way

Maybe I should just stick with my apple corners 🤔

or just be happy with 3 bean plants tbh

[west basalt]

thank you!! i will try this now!

[remote needle]

Do I keep the starred crops for cooking and other things?

Or should I sell them too?

[clear kindle]

save what you need for cooking, turn the star crops into seeds (or preserves based on crop) then replant them and then sell the overstock

[remote needle]

Ok thanks! How many of each crop should I keep on hand?

[clear kindle]

player discretion. depends on what you decide to use as a focus food and how often you're going to cook with them

for example, i'm an apple (and now bean) farmer, i only harvest those two crops and everything else stays in the ground. i usually have an overstock of apples. when i have too many in storage since i throw everything into it to refill my preserve jars, i make batches of petite fives

[neat vortex]

What sylvablade said, but also, I try to keep 30 of each crop on hand as a baseline, plus whatever else I want to have on hand for cooking.

For me specifically, that's

• 100 apples and 100 blueberries (so I can step in to help at a cake party if one of my friends is in a pinch - cake parties are very rarely more than 100 rounds)
• 120-200 each of rice and onions, because those are most often used in for-profit parties (sashimi, sushi, poke), which are usually 60 to 100 rounds
• 120 each of carrots, cabbage, corn, wheat, and peppers, because those are the crops most often used in the focus food and for-profit recipes I most often host/attend (usually 60 rounds)
• 90 beans (because they take 3 per round for all of the recipes they are used in, but I'm not planning to cover more than 30 rounds of any given bean recipe, lol)
• 30 each of the crops that I only sporadically use for cooking: tomatoes, potatoes, bok choy (all cash crops) and pumpkins (to help with cooking accomplishments)

That's just an example of how you might end up reckoning things. Basically, the way I figure it, "enough" is enough to cover the things you do regularly without having to scramble to plant and harvest a crop. That way, you can be nimble with what you do, and then can adjust your replanting to restock more gradually

[clear kindle]

or you can do like me and just support your local farmer, but i'm always near cap gold anyways so i need a means to get rid of it outside of zeki's

[remote needle]

How did you get all of that gold?

Also what is the best food for me right now?

[clear kindle]

apple jams, and selling things that i no longer needed

[remote needle]

Best beginner focus food I meant.

I have a stove so I can cook more than just grilled stuff.

[neat vortex]

What's your max focus?

[remote needle]

400

[neat vortex]

After a while, if you aren't doing big decor projects, you kinda run out of things to buy 😅

[neat vortex]

Oh perfect, if you have access to an oven, I'd say steak dinner (all it takes from the garden is wheat, leaving plenty of room for cash crops).

[remote needle]

I'm still in a 2 room shack with a hall section lol

[neat vortex]

lol I've been living in a single harvest house the whole time I've been playing

[remote needle]

No oven yet. Just a stove and prep station.

[clear kindle]

yeah, i was going to say either the cream of tomato soup or the steak dinner

[remote needle]

I want a big house though

[neat vortex]

If you haven't leveled up enough to unlock the oven, then stick with hearty vegetable soup for now. Tomatoes or carrots works just fine.

Make sure you're upgrading your focus bonus % at the phoenix shrine where you first spawned in

it goes up to 100% and double XP on everything is pretty powerful

[remote needle]

I have a 53% focus bonus right now

[neat vortex]

Nice, you're right about where it's a good idea to alternate between them, then \o/

[remote needle]

And yes I have been making the veggie soups. I was spamming them to get my cooking level up to unlock something.

[neat vortex]

If you're doing anything in Elderwood, you can also make the ogopuu meat (if you like hunting those) into fish stew

[remote needle]

So carrots for soup and tomatoes for coins!

[remote needle]

I don't have a good bow or arrows yet.

[neat vortex]

They're worth exactly the same, tomatoes just produce faster

Hmmm, I wonder what other options there might be

There's Palian Onion Soup as well, but onions are better used for poke and bean burger parties for profit imo

(if you're growing them)

at parties, to be clear

not profitable to cook those solo even if you could lmao

[remote needle]

I was spamming veggie soups to level up to get my mixing station.

[neat vortex]

Oh, if you have a mixing station that opens up some options

[remote needle]

I don't think I have it crafted yet

[neat vortex]

I have a spreadsheet about solo cooking, will post it in #🍳│cooking-foraging

[remote needle]

I still need fabric for it

I also need fabric for my worm bin too

May need to get more cotton seeds

Not sure if I can find cotton growing wild or not.

[neat vortex]

I would just buy the fabric from the register tbh

(in the furniture shop)

You get more money from selling cash crops than you save from growing cotton to make your fabric

One cotton plant only gets you a maximum of 1.5 fabric (takes 2 cotton to make 1 fabric)

[slow flame]

Best things to put in glow worm farms to get more worms?

[unkempt eagle]

I generally throw my extra meat in there

[slow flame]

I’m only getting about like 15 worms from the meat 😦

[neat vortex]

If you need glow worms in bulk, keep in mind that the number of glow worms scales with the sell value of the item you're feeding them. Probably the cheapest way to get bulk glow worms that way is to go to a fish dish party using rare or epic fish (which will give you high-value savory food for the cost of whatever ingredient you bring), or bean burgers. If you don't want/can't do that, then grilling your common and uncommon fish caught with glow worms will also work well.

If you want cheap glow worms, then cheap forageables (9-13g) and meat (16g) will give you basically-free glow worms if you sell the fertilizer, but only 1 per hour per glow worm farm, so you may need multiple farms to keep up with demand. However, they will run until they run out of stuff without clogging, so they just keep chugging while you are offline.

[unkempt eagle]

I did use to throw all my old cakes in there till they changed the value

[neat vortex]

The rough formula is: divide the sell value of the food in half, then divide that by 25g (the value of 1 glow worm) and round to the nearest whole worm

[slow flame]

So.. I have been fishing in Elderwoods and turning those fish into grilled fish and selling them for profit. The other night I got 20k out of those fish… I guess I could try throwing those in there, but I just like they profit they bring 🤣

[neat vortex]

Sweet stuff can also be used, but because it produces a lot more fertilizer (because quality fertilizer is 2g each instead of 5g each), it tends to stall faster

I mean, you'll still get the value of them back in worms and fertilizer

Most you can lose in a glow worm farm is 5g per thing

But meat and forageables is infinitely cheaper per glow worm (as only makes sense when you're turning 16g of stuff into one 25g glow worm and four 5g fertilizer)

Pay in 16g -> get out 45g of stuff

[slow flame]

Right now they are meats. But I’ll go and fish. I have 3 glow bins rn. But dunno if I could fish that many fish to keep up with 3

[neat vortex]

Staircase mushrooms are great for it as well

[slow flame]

I’ll have to start hoarding things

I do have the bean farm going. So maybe I could make some bean burgers eventually

[neat vortex]

Oh, yeah, take your beans to a burger party

(don't cook them solo, lol, that just hemorrhages money because of the vinegar)

[slow flame]

D;

[neat vortex]

Cooking solo is rarely profitable, especially when bought ingredients are involved

[slow flame]

Aren’t vinager users buying vinsger tho?

[neat vortex]

Yes... but they're only contributing the vinegar, not 3 vinegar plus wheat plus 3 beans plus 2 tomatoes and 2 onions, etc etc.

and still getting 3 burgers back

[slow flame]

That makes sense

[neat vortex]

(or vinegar + oil + egg for the mayo person)

tbh being the vinegar person for a burger party is a little rough

[tired knoll]

I’ll do the vinegar

[neat vortex]

compared to a lot of other party roles, anyway

[tired knoll]

How much you needed

[slow flame]

How many times have you been the vinager person to know that pain? 🤣🤣🤣

[tired knoll]

I don’t mind it

[neat vortex]

lol I don't need to be the vinegar person, I've got spreadsheets :P

[slow flame]

Oh I just started a bean farm. I don’t think I have enough to do a whole party

[tired knoll]

I got 300 vinegars let me know

[neat vortex]

I still think bean burger parties should split up the bean role as well

3 starred beans is 405g worth of stuff

(vs 200g worth of stuff for the ketchup role, more for mustard and mayo roles ofc)

[slow flame]

Is it hard to make the burger by yourself?

[neat vortex]

Not especially hard, just expensive

even in a party though it's hard to get them to turn out starred (because so much of the ingredients has to be unstarred, and the rest isn't terribly high value)

[slow flame]

I just made it for the first time. It confused me a bit 🤣🤣 but I see now

[remote needle]

Got my worm bin and I am almost level 4 in Gardening now!

[dry fulcrum]

does anyone have an updated layout for money with the 2 new crops. Ive been trying but I cant get past 106 k

[velvet vessel]

question i have seven soil but i cant get the other 2 were to i get 2 more

never mind found them other my other plot

[split marsh]

so is the only ways to get apples through frendship and buying seeds or is there somthing i canwork twards bc im currently just leveling farming

[floral talon]

Leveling gets it at 9 or 10 or something

[round sorrel]

outside of leveling farming, you can get them from zeki’s wondrous machine (you get one coin per day for buying anything from his store and can buy wondrous machine coins in the underground for 10K gold) but that’s totally up to chance, and there’s a quest that has them as a reward (i think an auni friendship quest but id have to look it up.) apples themselves may spawn in the kilima and bahari rummage piles, iirc, so if you have a seed maker and happen to get an apple (also totally up to chance), keep requesting apples til you have ten so you can make seeds.

all of which is to say, your best bet is likely to continue leveling up farming.

[hearty bison]

this is the one im using but i know its not completely optimal; i just wanted at least one of everything (excluding cotton). someone had posted a better version of this before and i altered it to include the extra crops i wanted

[dry fulcrum]

tysm

[hearty bison]

but its a nice source of income, this is just after one night of crafters ^^

[floral talon]

u have to use money per growthtick or per irl hour as a measur of profit the 106 k is for like what 30 growhttikcs or something but it odnt tell u per what itme it is XD
il grab hte bean layout for ya

[floral talon]

happy to see someone using hte qrcode layout family

just realised i made a mistake on that layout u can use any single tile hb crops it dont have to be wheat and rice

[neat vortex]

Pumpkins are also terrible for money-making, despite their high individual value. They take up a lot of space, grow slowly, and have a very low yield per harvest, so in the end they wind up being very little gold per tile per growth tick.

[neat vortex]

However, if you search for "minmax" in this channel and filter for links, you can find a list with a few options (though certainly not the only ones).

[floral talon]

ren are pumpkins good for focus value sharing? like one person brings more expensive ingredients for pumpkins dishes?

[neat vortex]

I am lowkey annoyed at the pumpkin recipes ngl. The only one that doesn't require heat root is pumpkin pie, and (a) it's the same as chili oil dumplings, focus-wise, and (b) requires 3 wheat per round for the pastry dough role. Not to mention that pumpkins are like using apples for focus food. Slower-growing apples...

On the positive side, they're all pretty fast recipes, and have very forgiving timers, so the star rate tends to be high as long as you have folks who don't dawdle, but... but heat root. :C

They look good on paper (even for solo cooking, except the pumpkin pie), and they can be fun to make, but I think they are like oysters Akwinduu and chapaa masala: the ingredients required seem to make them impractical as a staple food.

[floral talon]

oh so the main issue is ur better of spending that heatroot and le olde spicypepper dishes

[neat vortex]

Yeah, spicy peppers seem like they'd get you more food per growing time... I'd have to run that math to be sure, though, as the pumpkin dishes are pretty high focus. The curry is 550/825 starred or something, same as unstarred cakes, and the stew is 500/750. (But... I don't like high-focus dishes, so that isn't a positive to me, lol)

of course, if you like high focus foods, you can take your peppers to muujin Bahari just as easily; though muujin is also hard to get a full party for.

Though, it's too bad veggie chili takes so dang long to make; aside from the beans, it's pretty cheap (in a party), but it has enough free roles that you can rotate the beans easily enough.

[dusk cliff]

So, I’m trying to just make raw profits, and I think processing the bok choy is the route I wanna go… is it profitable if I just.. fill 7 out of 9 of my garden plots with it and just mass harvest? I don’t mind watering and weeding. Right now I have an everything garden that’s pretty afk friendly and I like it for stockpiling but I wanna make coin for the new storage

[neat vortex]

Better if you can also harvest boost it (there's a Tryhard layout shared in the channel that you can find if you search), but yeah if you're willing to just grind it out and you have the seedmakers to deploy, that's the way to go to pull in gold quickly

well. relatively quickly... cooking parties are MUCH faster, at the cost of being active labor and not passive

though tbh if you're watering, weeding, and replanting that many bok choy, I feel like it tips over into active labor at that point 😅

[dusk cliff]

Do I wanna seed them or preserve them? I play mostly solo and have never done a cooking party before 😅