🌱│gardening

[floral talon]

eventually my todo list should be low enuf i can make a ful guide

[neat vortex]

So sorry, the ping didn't come through on my phone for some reason

I did some of the math here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=579700341#gid=579700341 ("early gardening profit/XP")

...fascinating. Crops really are balanced VERY tightly.

[ivory pond]

Do u remember if we can seed lettuce?

[neat vortex]

Nope, no recipe for it yet on the seedmaker

[ivory pond]

It's been so longgg how do we have a burger without the LWTTUCE

[neat vortex]

Too windy in Kilima Valley, they're still looking for a hybrid that doesn't ?keel over from dehydration?

[ivory pond]

The burger icon has lettuce so I hope they'll alter it

[neat vortex]

Given that SO many of the recipes have items in their icons and even models that aren't in the recipe at all.... highly doubt. lol

[ivory pond]

Me when I'm stirring smoothie and the bowl is empty

[neat vortex]

The smoothie bowl has almonds and pumpkin seeds, the celebration cake has WHOLE-*** strawberries*...

[ivory pond]

Yeah I was so hyped for the smoothie when I saw it and then made it and was not so hyped anymore

[neat vortex]

Oh, really?

[ivory pond]

Some questions shall not be asked like where the strawberries came from

[neat vortex]

I think the model is really pretty tbh (on the smoothie bowl) - looks delicious! even if those piksii berries are a lil sus XD

[ivory pond]

Yeah but the bowl is EMPTY when mixing xdd I was like wtf

I hope it's one of the bugs they'll fix I wanna see my smoothie

Cuz you can see almost every other food when stirring

[neat vortex]

lol like the batter role in cakes? Where you just throw a bag of flour, a pitcher of milk, and a stick of butter into a bowl? 😂

[ivory pond]

Nahh the stirring motion

I'm legit stirring air

[neat vortex]

Yeah that's the model that shows up when you stir batter, absolutely hilarious

[ivory pond]

Ahh oki don't remember last time I made cakes of my own will xd

[echo frigate]

So I bought more plots to have 9 in total and start my early gardening career lol- is the best way to place them close together with no gaps or with gaps between plots?

[clear kindle]

no gaps will give you the buffs to the next to the crops in the other plots

[echo frigate]

Okay thank you!

[neat vortex]

Final reckoning for gardening below level 5 (i.e., pre-seedmaker, where you are having to buy seeds and also can only sell raw crops):

• Napa cabbage seeds are cheap. They will get you to level 5 with the least gold outlay per XP. As a bonus, they are also a useful water retain plant. However, they're not great as far as getting a return on your gold investment. (Runners-up for cheap XP: onion and carrot.)

• WITHOUT harvest boost, the crops giving the most profit per tile per tick (revenue minus seed costs) are tomato, rice, carrot, wheat, and beans. (Ironically, 3/5ths of those are harvest boosters...)

• WITH harvest boost, the crops with the highest profit per tile per tick(after subtracting seed costs) are bok choy, tomato, rice, potato, and wheat. Handily, that's 5/6ths of a full AFK layout.

• Beans really only come into their full power once you unlock the seedmaker, as you might guess. The fact that the seeds can just be picked up off the ground (i.e., they cost effort rather than cash, though that effort is worth 90g!) may be a point in favor or against.

• Don't bother with pumpkin (500 essence each!) or cotton (which, if you must plant it at all, is better stockpiled as fabric) ...but we knew that. :P

Screenshot from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=579700341#gid=579700341 with a lot of columns hidden for legibility

[drifting violet]

so it's been a bit and I'm back for the update, nyello!

are there any nifty new Gardening 10 layouts I should be aware of for fun and profit?

[neat vortex]

Heya Moira, nice to see you!

BEANS are the new hotness 😂

[echo frigate]

I kinda just chucked whatever I had access to in the garden layout generator lol but will probably need a more accurate seed plan so thank you for that!

[neat vortex]

Let me actually get you a layout now that I'm done sidetracking myself XD

[drifting violet]

HI REN!!

is it just "oops all beans" for now or have you magicked up some neat plot layouts? 🤭 (I can wait until you're done with Erin!)

[neat vortex]

Do you want to focus on profit or cost reduction?

Actually everybody's gotta wait while I SPRINT for my dailies 😬

[drifting violet]

NYOOOOOOM 🤭

[neat vortex]

'scuse me 🌬️ 😂

[echo frigate]

This is kinda what I got from the generator and chucked it in the planner- I think I prefer to focus on profit since I didn't even look how much the seeds costed me lol

No worries tyt and hii Moira, I'm new so just trying to get some tips and tricks for gardening

Also, is it better to sell starred seeds or use them?

[mint sandal]

Use them, keep enough for maybe 2 or 3 replants and sell the rest

[echo frigate]

Okay thanks!

[neat vortex]

The generator always makes such confusing "choices"

Why two onions next to each other? Why the giant cluster of harvest boosters in the bottom left quadrant? lol

A layout that is fully 35% harvest boosters has no business not being 100% 😂

[echo frigate]

I kinda put on priorities as half way thru for everything with profit being full priority so maybe it got confused lol

[neat vortex]

Anyway, given the generated layout you gravitated toward, I think you might like the Bullseye? It's pretty flexible for early game, and it's only 4 tiles off being 100% harvest boosted without fertilizer.

The single-tile crops are also "swappable" with their same-buff companions, if you need something specific for cooking. I actually recommend putting in onions for some or all of the carrots, since they are used for poke parties and also a lot of different focus food recipes.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTCBkWRCRP-BkPTRWRTCBk-CBkP.HRWTPRC-TRBkPWCBkRT-PTPRWRPBkP-TRBkCWPBkRT-CRPTWRP.HBkC-BkCTRWRTPBk-PRCRWBkCTP.H_D180NssL1

(edit: fixed the total harvest days and removed the "starred seeds" setting, because duh)

Original layout concept by Khan the Windseeker, crop tweaks by me.

Yeah, I feel like when you start getting into multiple overlapping variables that require very specific understandings of patterns and mistakes to avoid, you're well past what a dice-roller can come up with.

[echo frigate]

The bullseye? Okay I might give that layout a go, thank you very much!

Also, what's the best way to make the gardening process quicker? Not necessarily fertilisers, more the watering and harvesting side of things

[neat vortex]

I recommend that you harvest, till, and replant one crop at a time so you don't have to memorize anything or even track a pattern unless you are changing something. Because I easily lose track of what I'm doing, I also tend to only put the current seed I'm working with in my action bar. That way I don't get distracted, accidentally shift to a new seed, and mess the whole thing up. XD (You CAN destroy crops once they are planted, but that's expensive and time-consuming, especially if you're still needing to buy seeds.)

Upgrading your tools will also make watering and tilling faster (makes their AOEs bigger), though they will also then take durability damage and need repairs. I personally don't recommend upgrading your gardening implements until you have a home repair station and a steady source of repair kits, BUT that may depend on how often you go into town and stop at the blacksmith's. (I'm kind of a homebody and hate being interrupted/having to leave to go get something or do something... as always, your mileage may vary)

But if the tedium is preventing you from turning over your garden, you'll just have to weigh the pros and cons

The Bullseye actually has only three pretty simple patterns:

• outside ring and inside ring (water1, water 2, weed1, weed 2...)
• middle ring (harvest1 harvest2 harvest 2, or wheat rice rice)
• and then the center soil plot

I usually replanted that one by running my way around each ring like a racetrack, replacing each crop one at a time like I mentioned above

[shadow kraken]

Wow... Someone explained Discord Channels (and how to enable them) to me on Reddit today-ish, and WOAH! Hi. I love gardening! waves at my people

[echo frigate]

I'm good with doing it all haha I just meant more- is there an automatic help later on down the line with the gardening? I'm even tempted to do another 9x9 plot if so lol

[echo frigate]

Hi Mel, welcome! I'm glad you were able to found your way around the channels :)

[shadow kraken]

Hey! Thanks! Your profile does fire?! Amazing!

[shadow kraken]

Oh... 9x9 is the current max... Source: I'm level 80ish Gardening 😭 Also, no automated systems. Each crop provides a boost.

[echo frigate]

No worries and yeah it does, got it from the Nitro subscription on Discord as I used to be on this a lot, not anymore tho so my profile doesn't look as cool as it could be with the moving effects haha.

Aww is it really the limit? Damn okay thank you!

[neat vortex]

Yeah, it's more of an optimization game to try to get the most out of limited tiles and crafter slots

while meeting other needs (cooking etc )

[echo frigate]

I've got some of the green fertilisers and saw one on each corner in the planner, should I follow that?

[neat vortex]

It helps with yield (3 per harvest instead of 2) but is optional. You'll need enough for every day the plant is growing. You can stack fertilizer on the tile so you don't have to worry about coming back every in-game day to add more

[echo frigate]

What crop would you usually use that on and what did you mean by single tile that are swappable sorry? Please and thank you very much!

[sleek kiln]

I wanna keep gardening super simple, what should I plant if I want profits? What's the most profitable crop?

[haughty scroll]

how many garden plots do you have?

[sleek kiln]

4 at the moment

[neat vortex]

The top cash crops are (in general) bok choy, potatoes, rice, tomatoes; if you're still buying seeds, then carrots; and beans are at the top once you unlock the seed maker at level 5 (but they process very slowly)

Increase your soil plots as soon as you can afford to; max is 9 per account.

Save back some of your starred produce. When you get the seed maker, start making starred seeds and planting those as much as possible. (Once you get to level 38 gardening, you can plant starred or unstarred with same results.)

HarvestBoost buff (either from - preferably - planting next to grains/beans, or from fertilizer obtained by feeding savory things to worms/glow worms) is +50% yield - guaranteed if a crop has the buff every day that they are growing.

QualityUp fertilizer (from feeding sweet things to worms/glow worms) is quite beneficial until level 10 or so, and a little bit after that if you have some left over. At level 25 it becomes obsolete if you are planting starred seeds.

Let me grab you DS's linear layout

[neat vortex]

Here is one possible layout, made by DuhScape, with modifications for lower levels:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1_CR-T.HBkW.YPCRWBkT-RBkPTCCrPBkR-WBkTRCPTBkW-PBkRWCTRBkP-TBkWPCRWBkT-RBkPTCWPBkR-WBkTRCPTBkW-PBkRWCTRBkP-TBkWPCRW.HBkT.Y_D180

The sides are water1 water2 grain1 grain2 in a repeating pattern, and the middle is bok choy-carrot-bok choy. Very simple to plant. This layout cannot turn corners without being modified, though. (You can make the middle carrots into bok choy if you want, for more gold, but you lose the weed protection on the bok choy.)

You can plant the same pattern as a truncated version, but the corners will need water retain fertilizer no matter what

[neat vortex]

I personally put HB fertilizer on any crop that doesn't have the harvest boost buff naturally, but I produce a lot of it (glow worm farms eating cheap meat/forageables are my default for "idk what to do with this crafter slot rn"). You generally gain more gold by using the fertilizer where it's needed than by straight selling it.

[prisma cedar]

o/ Ren can i bounce some ideas off you? im waist deep in doing calculations on gardening and I am kind of wondering if I'm wasting my time or if anything looks blatantly incorrect

[neat vortex]

Sure!

[neat vortex]

Feel free to ping or DM me

[prisma cedar]

I just DMed you :)

[wooden quest]

Anyone know what ingredient to put in the worm farm to get a lot of HarvestBoost Fertilizer pls ?

[peak pier]

I've been doing grilled meat lately to good effect. i also hear grilled fish.

[neat vortex]

Output scales with the sell value of whatever you put in! Savory stuff produces harvest boost fertilizer.

The easiest way to get HB fertilizer in bulk solo is grilled common and uncommon glow worm fish (so the grilled fish are worth 200+ gold each). Each grilled fish needs 2 fish.

The cheapest way is to attend cooking parties for high-value savory dishes. All of the fish dishes work, if they use rare or better fish (poke, sushi, sashimi, fish stew). Muujin Bahari is a classic, but kind of slow. Bean burgers are also an option.

For more info, see Arenvanya's fertilizer guide (check the pins in this channel)

[dull wing]

Finally got my preserves Jar..

[prisma cedar]

I was messing around and got this layout, which I really like except for the water fert needing to be on the potatoes and the center bok choy for it to be fully afk. Maybe someone more talented than me can suggest some changes

[pure basin]

I'm highkey hating the preserves jar. Most of the time the preserves are the sell price as the crop. Half of the time the seeds sell more than the crop.

And then the rest of the time the crop is the highest seller.

You would think preserves would sell for more.

From doing a little research, I think the only reason I'm going to use my preserves jar is to use it for apple jam for glow worms.

[echo frigate]

Hi Ren, I was looking at your sheet to see which crop to put the HB on and apparently bok choy is the best one- should I just keep using it on bok choy?

I've now got better equipment and the seed collector yayy

[neat vortex]

Hm, that doesn't sound quite right - could you be comparing starred crops to unstarred product, maybe?

[pure basin]

I was only putting starred crops in and not getting any starred preserves out. Am I missing something there?

[neat vortex]

It will depend your layout, because if a crop already has harvest boost from a neighbor, it won't benefit from fertilizer that gives the same buff

[clear kindle]

you should be getting star preserves back if you're using star crops

[neat vortex]

Had it finished processing?

[pure basin]

Sure was finished.

[neat vortex]

...and you got all unstarred preserves from starred crops?

[pure basin]

I put starred peppers for example and only got common pickled peppers, yes.

Was quite disappointed.

[neat vortex]

That is not how it is supposed to work, oh dear

[clear kindle]

yeah, that sounds like maybe a bug?

[neat vortex]

I'll test it when I get home

[pure basin]

Oh, well that's not good.

Okie dokie! I think I have some more peppers left, so I can give it another go.

Alrighty, I put 5 in and we'll see what happens.

[echo frigate]

Ohh okay and from the plot planner you gave me I don't need to use HB as they're all boosted from other seeds then?

[pure basin]

Had I known it was a big I would've screenshotted it.. I just thought it was a poorly designed system with no starred product return.

[neat vortex]

Thank you! Please document as much as you can in case you need to send in a ticket

[pure basin]

[neat vortex]

Except for the four corners, yep!

[clear kindle]

i mean, i know that there's a chance for all star crops to give a non-star product, which is why the jars stop at 61 items (game mechanic, apples) but it's been a long, long, long, long, long, long time since i've seen it happen

[neat vortex]

Yeah and it's a BONUS item! extra! lol

but exceedingly rare yes

[clear kindle]

but to get only non-star preserves from star crops? something's going on there

shouldn't be that high of a chance

[pure basin]

Same with cooking.. most times I'll get a starred meal from starred ingredients, but this past time I used starred wheat AND meat for the steak recipe and got no starred results. Tried 3 times.

[echo frigate]

Awesome, thank you very much!

[clear kindle]

cooking is rng

[neat vortex]

That isn't too weird, cooking RNG is just very R ime

[clear kindle]

you can use all star ingredients and still get base result

[pure basin]

Unfortunate.

I know this is gardening sub so I'll keep it at that. But yeah..

[neat vortex]

yep, no guarantees, even with a full group of high level cooks still average about 66 percent starred for most focus food type recipes

(with starred veg and usually starred meat, unstarred foraged items)

[echo frigate]

Oh btw speaking of starred items, would it be better if I use up all of my starred seeds or only a couple of each item? I have about 23 starred seeds to use for the plot planner you sent Ren :)

[clear kindle]

always replant your star seeds, as they will give the higher chance of producing star crops, especially if you're under level 20-25. once you're level 25 all of your star seeds will give you star crops, and once you are about level 38, even regular seeds will give you star crops

[pure basin]

Update on the preserves, I got starred pickled peppers. First batch must've been a little bug or somethin'. 🙂 Thanks y'all!

Though starred pepper seeds are almost worth double the preserves, so I'll stick with the seeds on that front.

[echo frigate]

Okay will do, thank you!

[neat vortex]

keep in mind ratios also - remind me how many peppers to how many seeds?

[pure basin]

Oh you're so smart. It's 4 peppers a seed!

Man I'm learning so much today.

[neat vortex]

It might be 4:2? can't remember exactly, but yeah lol

[pure basin]

Sure is.

Idk why I said "a" seed when it's quite obviously 2.

[barren oriole]

What’s this for?

[dense apex]

Hello! I'm seeking a small piece of clarity; I understand that at level 38 starred seeds are no longer needed, but am unclear if it then becomes more efficient to buy all of your seeds, rather than spending crafter time on them.

[marsh carbon]

to have all the ingredients for cooking, but the development is automatic without the need for watering (only the first time sown) and without weeds.

[hazy wharf]

Hey quick question, I planted some crops last night and they all had water retain / weed prevention but when I logged in this morning none were even close to being harvestable?? What did I do wrong? Thanks

[neat vortex]

You didn't do anything wrong: when you are offline, crops finish their current growth tick and then stop growing.

[hazy wharf]

Oh that is really annoying:((

I'm working a lot and so I don't have much time to be online for long periods of time which is why I was hoping it would work

[neat vortex]

Because it's not strictly a countdown timer on the crops for them to grow, but rather being online for the growth tick (6AM Palia time), you can get away with as little as 20 minutes every 2 hours and still get as many growth ticks in as someone who spent that whole time online.

One real life hour = 1 Palian sun cycle (24 in-game hours), so the growth tick at 6AM Palia time is always the same number of minutes after the hour. For most timezones, it's at 15 minutes past the hour. (Timezones with an offset from UTC, like some areas of Canada and Australia for example, may differ.)

So, what you do is:

• log in 10 minutes before the growth tick
• tend your crops if they need it: harvest, replant, water them in, sort out any fertilizer needed, etc.
• wait until the growth tick occurs
• tend everything that needs it again before logging out

This means that your crops not only finish the last growth tick they were on when you logged off, they also start a new one (and finish it the next time you log in).

Right now, it just hit midnight in-game

[echo frigate]

So for the crops to continuously grow we just need to log in about 5:50 am Palia time and tend to the plot when we can’t play for long as the crops reset at 6:00 am? I wonder if there’s a way to see Palia time without hopping on the game lol

[neat vortex]

The garden planner has the current time in Palia time at the bottom!

Though, do note that 5:50 Palia time might be cutting it a little close...

[echo frigate]

Ohh lemme open it up on my phone and have a look

[neat vortex]

1 minute in Palian time is about, uh... 2.5 seconds real-life time? 😅

[echo frigate]

Right I meant 10 mins in real life haha my bad I mixed it up

[neat vortex]

Does your timezone align with UTC? i.e., is it 11 minutes past the hour for you right now?

I also really like this tool: https://ghervis.github.io/palia-time-notifier/

[echo frigate]

Yeah I’m in NZ

I might give that a go, thank you! Ahh this game is making me want to get a Switch or something so I can play it on the go lol

[neat vortex]

tbh I'm not sure I'd recommend a Switch for it; the load times on the original Switch are pretty infuriating if you're trying to do things in a tight timeframe. I hear the Switch 2 is better, but oof, expensive. I've heard positive things about some of the handheld PCs, though.

[echo frigate]

That was great timing looks like you were right and it’s 15 mins past for the 6 am Palia time

Yeah plus I’m biased and didn’t like the look of the controls- what handheld PCs are those? I want a PC but then just had a thought earlier, what if the house burned down and I lost all of my gaming set up?? Rip

[neat vortex]

Our power was out for a week last year due to a natural disaster, and I was pretty happy to have my Switch then! lol

I don't know enough about the handheld systems to make specific recommendations, but one name I hear bandied about a lot is the ROG Ally

[echo frigate]

I’ve heard about that one too but they are really expensive even the Switch so I just need to keep telling myself no haha I have a relatively new iPad that I barely use so I need to stop spending- anyway bed time for me

Thank you about the clarification on growth ticks! I was just wondering when the crops tending usually reset as sometimes it felt pretty quick and others very slow x)

Goodnight, I hope you have a good day/night!

[stray sandal]

hey, i'm wondering where to find apple seeds (or apple) has anyone a clue ? 😄
Same with blueberries

[floral talon]

is ur level below 10?

[neat vortex]

The wiki pages for each have a breakdown of where you can get them, if that helps

[stray sandal]

In the gardening skill yes

[floral talon]

u get free seeds now from badru if u levle up

[stray sandal]

Ok thank you

[floral talon]

theres other ways to th ough

do keep some apple seeds and blueberry seeds on hand XD

[stray sandal]

why haha

[floral talon]

u cant buy some so ur kinda in trouble if u mess up and run out

[stray sandal]

okay, just gonna plant them and seed making 😄

I'm 5 in gardening, welp xd

[floral talon]

gardening can be pretty afk once u know when growthticks are

[marble steeple]

Is it better to make seeds from star items or no?

[lavish lotus]

Any tips for getting the most profit from farming? My farming is level 6, trying to get to level 8 for preservation, I’ve done some layouts with potato, tomato, cotton, wheat, and rice. Then I moved to a 9x9 of just potato and tomato staggered, I have 2 seeders and 1 normal worm maker.

[honest oasis]

Hey! so i now have seed makers, which do i turn into seeds and which do i sell?

[floral talon]

depends on ur level but buying seeds opr produce is always more expensive then making ur own seeds

[marble steeple]

I'm only level 6, was more wondering if I get more seeds or better quality seeds if I use star ones or if it's the same

[prisma cedar]

Star crops will turn into star seeds

It's like gardening 38 (???) when you can plant normal seeds and get star crops soooo i mean up to you what you do with the non star peppers

[marble steeple]

Does star seeds guarantee star guality crops or just more from harvest?

[prisma cedar]

Guarantees star crops

[marble steeple]

Cool, Thanks!

[acoustic ridge]

i think it was 25 when i noticed i was getting more and more star produce

but that was more than 25 levels ago, so...that may not still be accurate

[clear dove]

How do we unlock the seed crafting thing?

[floral talon]

Star chance scales with ur level buffed by star seeds and quelity up buff

[floral talon]

Badro or his cash register

[clear dove]

Thanks

[dense apex]

Still curious about this if anyone can offer insight!

[floral talon]

Buying seeds is never worth it its a maybe if u run absurd layouts or got no crafter capacity due to using crafters as storage

[dense apex]

Gotcha, thanks for the info

[grim osprey]

Can anyone offer me any improvements? I'm not going for max profit, I just want everything to self water and have a bit of variety in everything planted while still making a good bit.

[raven kayak]

Just joined server was literally about to ask for a garden plot layout like this

[floral talon]

Il send u annas one

[amber junco]

How do I get pumpkin

[floral talon]

Buy at potionshop
Or request once u have a recipe that needs it

[amber junco]

Ok ty

[clear dove]

Just unlocked the seed crafter

Is there any difference between star crops and non star?
Does it matter which is seeded?

[floral talon]

Yes starred crops are 50% better with some uses only unstarred

[clear dove]

Thank you

[pliant rain]

What crops to sell whats to keep. What's to get seed n what's to use for fertilizer? How do u decide ?

[floral talon]

keep what u use make seeds to stokcpile ur reseed then its
jar unles bokchoi potato beans or cannot jar

and cotton is for furniture as fabric

[opal sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyyy-why-gif-19236077

Me when I log in and see one plant in my self-watering garden has dried out and is now behind its brethren.

[safe badger]

How does your garden self-water? I'd love to set mine up to do that

[opal sentinel]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-AAAAAAAAA-TBBPBBTTP-PTPTCbTPBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBBTBBPTP-TCbTPBkPTCbT-AAAAAAAAA-TSSPSSTPT-PBkPTCbTPTP_L50 puts water retain on everything but inevitably something always dries out and throws everything off. Can never sort why.

[safe badger]

There's set ups for specifically doing your garden in a way that retains water better??? Thank you, I didn't know this was even a thing.

How do you get the different fertilizers though?

[opal sentinel]

Worm and glow worm bins. Can also buy some from Badruu's guild store.

[safe badger]

Is there like specific food you need to put in to get the different fertilizers?

[coarse panther]

Anyone know the best layout for profit min max? There's so many options idk which 1 is best lol.

[safe badger]

I've got starred grilled fish in my worm and glow worm bins

[floral talon]

this depends on to many factors but if ur low level get quality up on everyhting but cotton cotton goesinto the loom anyways
and get harvest buff on everything always

[neat vortex]

Savory items give Harvest Boost fertilizer, sweet items (except piksii berries for some reason) give QualityUp

(Also I'm not trying to ignore anybody, but I do not have energy for much besides very short answers today, and some of your questions are very "it depends")

I HIGHLY recommend that y'all check the pins and read Arenvanya's guide, and then play around with the garden planner.

Between the two of them, they cover all of the basic mechanics.

Otherwise, there is a huge backlog of advice and layout recs in the channel if you want to give searching or back reading a try!

TIP: search for posts with links or images

[floral talon]

such a high influx of newbies so muhc more questions

[cloud river]

Any good ways to get your crops to grow faster with out having to upgrade skills (I'm a lil behind in skills)

?

[spice cave]

I don't think they grow faster with fertilizer, just gives a higher yield. Not sure how to help.

[cloud river]

Fair

If there isn't anyway that's fine too

[floral talon]

speedy grow can make it grow faster harvest boost gives 50% more yield or actually a chance at that effects amount of growthticks applied divided by total growthticks

speedygrow bites harvestboost

[spice cave]

@cloud river there you go friend^

[cloud river]

Thank you!!

[neat vortex]

Note that speedygrow fertilizer is not only bought with guild medals (very limited how many you can buy in a week), it is also buggy and doesn't work at all unless you are physically on your plot when the growth tick happens. It also, as DS said, tends to make harvest boost buffs not properly apply. So a crop that SHOULD have 100% chance of the bonus yield from harvest boost instead will have a chance of not getting the bonus at all.

[floral talon]

also if ur chosing to have harvest boost on stuff why not do it 100% unles ur constantly switching layout before everything is done but hwo can work with chaos gardening
and if ur that chaotic do u even really care

[mystic skiff]

A good afk build that syncs well together, while I'm off running around doing the rest of my quests and artifact collection?

So I'm at my gold cap, so I'm just doing rug ug maintaince, fishing and doing hot pots when it comes to gold management buying stuff right now.

[rapid furnace]

Hey I Want To Level My Gardening It's Right Now It's Level 3 Whats Best Way I Can Go Around To Leveling It ?

[mystic skiff]

Hold on. I think bokchoy is known to be very Exp densed.

[floral talon]

Everything same xp per growthtick per tile if fully harvested

[neat vortex]

Suggestions Here, Have Fun
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

I recommend the Diamond Apple layout with potato, cabbage, carrot, bok choy, and either rice (syncs to carrot/bok choy) or corn for less replanting. Tomatoes also work for more gold and less replanting since they keep going past being harvestable if you don't go home for long periods.

Or if purely for XP and gold doesn't matter, then a 5-apples afk style layout

[mystic skiff]

Poggers

[floral talon]

Swap onion with carrot for more sync i just harvested every 6 ticks

[mystic skiff]

I'll use corn instead of rice. Same replant as potato, also corn doesn't clog machine.

Do carrots go in seeds or preserve? I haven't grown those in a while.

[floral talon]

Preserve

[mystic skiff]

The ultimate unclog able setup. 😍😍

[floral talon]

this one is my fav

[neat vortex]

tbh that's probably an ideal XP setup because you can totally ignore the fertilizer lol

and it mostly just keeps chugging

ignoring the non-apple crops, that's 54 tiles of apples, or 216 base XP per growth tick (432 with full focus bonus), max unattended grow time 6-12 hours

[floral talon]

Yeay aside from 6 waterretain/weedblock its the perfect xp layout

[woven spruce]

Does speedygro not work on the regrowth of apple trees? I applied 36 speedygro expecting it to be done in 4 days instead of 6 but it still took the full 6 days

[mystic skiff]

Speedygro is bugged, I think i read above that it only counts when you're physically in the plot when the tick happens.

[woven spruce]

Aww too bad, thanks

[mystic skiff]

Will have to check with the experienced farmers if it's indeed the case

[floral talon]

if its applied twice it skips once but it doesnt always works and how do u have so much spare medals anyways

[honest oasis]

what level is apple trees?

[woven spruce]

@floral talon was just testing it out, dont have spare medals, just spent 40 on a test

[floral talon]

good to try things XD meanwhile i just get 3 wells myself XD

[fleet copper]

Looking for advice. I usually play a lot and my crafters can’t take on a full harvest processing load; usually have to do several cooking parties a week to get rid of my crops (I can’t sell them without processing ; I mean I can but don’t want to). So what are the crops that need longer to grow but have short processing time, iirc there was discussion about pumpkins here, so them? Is there anything else? I know apples take a lot of time to grow but jam also takes a lot of time to process. Beans are out of question too.

[floral talon]

how many crafter slots do u have how many growhtticks do u get in
how many of ur crafters are u not even using and could be swapped on demand

[fleet copper]

16 crafters for crops; on average 6 growth tics; I can probably allocate 1 additional crafter currently; plus 2 more once I’m done decorating but I don’t know when that will be

[woven spruce]

Do you just leave your computer running when sleeping/not at home for this?

[prisma cedar]

Sorry i am not op, but nah the game will kick you out after so long. Afk just means you don't have to water/weed it so you are "afk" until harvest time

[floral talon]

ah ic u just need more crafter licenses getting like 10 extra will probably solve ur problem u can stockpile ubnprocessded fo the time being if ur gonna have exces crafter time later on

[robust sigil]

Is this still the best afk farming for money? I just pick up apples and nothing else

[floral talon]

Plz delete that aweful layout

[robust sigil]

I delete, im still new sorry

[fleet copper]

I maxed out on licenses. Other thank crop processing I need crafters for planks, glass, bricks, glow fish and fabric thingy

*glow worm
I have bought 30 licenses and that is max

[floral talon]

Im not mad at u its just as a layout maker im like everything is wrong with that thing xd il get u something better

[floral talon]

Mh then do less beans potato bokchoi as those take the most proces time

[fleet copper]

Will do! Thank you

[robust sigil]

Yes I understand, thank you kind player.

Yeah I just need a steady afk income from farming. Ive got lvl 9 farming so far but its quite time consuming to constantly hoe, weed and water my garden and replant.

I dont mind having to take a plant and put it into a machine for money. But most guides seem to be outdated due to market prices changes or they increase cost of crafting stuff.

[floral talon]

Ic u want waterretain weedblock and moneys now since ur low level u want wuality up aswell hangon

Cotton just gets loomed for ur furniture and stuff u also still need if u want without fertiliser u would have to ditch weedblock

[robust sigil]

But Ive gott a harvest everything each time?

[floral talon]

Every 3 days and 5 days something is ready so u got actual afk time

[robust sigil]

Do I only harvest the cotton and leave everything else?

[floral talon]

Go syrup go

[floral talon]

Nah u harvest something when its ready
And replant

Cotton is there to to buff ur starred producr ratio

[honest oasis]

Finally getting somewhere xD

[boreal parcel]

Looking good

[wet musk]

What's the best crop to sell for gold, I've been farming cotton to make fabric and I wanna know what else is worth buying (seed wise)

[limpid herald]

can i get some help i went afk for a bit so the picture guide got skipped how do i make farm land

[limpid herald]

nvm i found what i needed to make farmland

[floral talon]

if u got enuf crafter time to keep up beans bokchoi potatos into seeds

[brisk marten]

When i go to replant should i plant star seeds or just regular ones?

[floral talon]

depends on ur level and if it has quality up buff at that spot

[mystic skiff]

Uh mm I can't move my soil onto another plot. 🙃

[floral talon]

why mnove it alot anyways

[neat vortex]

16 crafters for crops
6 growth ticks per RL day
Yyyyep that'll do it, sorry to say. I typically get about 6-8 growth ticks and I have between 21 and 24 crafters processing crops.

[neat vortex]

Star seeds as much as possible until you get to level 38, unless you don't care about the crops being starred or deliberately want to save back unstarred ones (e.g., apples, blueberries, peppers)

[brisk marten]

Why level 38?

[neat vortex]

Because that's when the formula for star crop chance hits 100% (your star chance increases as you level) - the garden planner has the formula in its documentation, if you're curious

[brisk marten]

So at level 38 ill get star crops 100% of the time even if i use regular seeds? Am i understanding that correctly?

[neat vortex]

but tbh I still end up planting mostly starred seeds, because it's cheaper in most cases to turn crops into seeds than it is to buy them still

I just save the bonus unstarred seeds that the seedmakers spit out and also any I get from lucky boxes or whatever, then plant those first to use them up

[coarse panther]

@neat vortex Do you have a recommended layout for somebody with lvl 11 gardening and wants to prio gold?

[floral talon]

with or without weedblock u really hsould not want weedblock at that level though XD

[neat vortex]

I disagree, personally. You can go after the weed whacker accomplishments at any time. They take so long and award so little renown (50 renown total for the whole series after 1,000 weeds) that making gardening more difficult on yourself with desynced crops etc. is, if you ask me, more trouble than it's worth in the beginning.

Gold is much more of a bottleneck in early game, in my estimation. From my experience on two accounts, if you need renown, it's likely better to spend your time completing quests and chatting to villagers — while not losing growth ticks on your garden crops to weeds.

[neat vortex]

The top cash crops are beans, bok choy, potatoes, tomatoes, and rice (for solo processing). If you plan on participating in for-profit cooking parties (highly recommended), then the numbers change a bit. Can you tell me more about your playstyle and what you've enjoyed and been blocked by so far?

[paper pilot]

I wanna do an easy pumpkin farm, does anyone have a good layout?

[floral talon]

what od u mean with easy puympkin and u just like farming pumpkins?

[paper pilot]

Well I'm kinda new, idk what I mean

[floral talon]

lets start by making sure i can understand what u want
what is ur level?
with easy u mean simple planting pattern or
no watering
or not weeding?

[paper pilot]

no watering or weeding sounds great but I kinda just want to make money easily

[prisma cedar]

Pumpkins are the worst crop for making money unfortunately

[paper pilot]

aw, that sucks, what's the best?

[prisma cedar]

Depends on what you wanna prioritize but things like bok choy, beans, tomatoes, potatoes... ik I'm forgetting something

Apple farms can be fun and lend themselves to cake parties

[paper pilot]

hmm ok, what's an apple farm look like?

[prisma cedar]

#🌱│gardening message

There's this one that was posted yesterday

[paper pilot]

ok ty I'll try it out 🙂

[coarse panther]

As of right now I haven't done any cooking parties. Right now I'm just trying to finish all quests/save up enough gold to unlock all the placement(?) slots. So I can place a lot more seed makers/preserves etc. I'm playing a lot right now so upkeep isn't much of a problem.

[neat vortex]

Here, have a look at the list here and let me know what you think: #🌱│gardening message

If you don't have many crafter slots yet, though, bok choy and beans miiight not be the best choice, because they both grow fast and process slow (so they take a lot of crafter slots to keep up)

[ivory pond]

Is there a gardening layout for lazy people who hate replanting 😂 apples my beloved

[neat vortex]

Hm, do you care about needing to use lots of HB fertilizer?

[ivory pond]

Nah I throw it at everything that's missing it every tick anyway

[neat vortex]

In that case... maybe the 5 apples AFK style? Lemme find

[ivory pond]

Whenever I see all the layouts Yall do I realize I'd never have enough will power to replant the potatoes cabbages etc where they belong so it'd last once

[coarse panther]

Not sure what's considered a lot. I think I have 10-12 seeders/2 preserves/4 glow farms atm? Idk what the max is xd. Also I think I tried the super min max from Aquajj but I was not really a fan of the constant replanting. Maybe I do want something a lil more lazy lol.

[neat vortex]

Max is 30 crafter licenses!

[neat vortex]

Yeah @clear kindle uses the 4-apple Diamond Layout and only harvests the apples :) But if you're OK with producing piles of fertilizer someway, then 5 apples could work for you, too. Depends how many growth ticks you get. If you're willing to tomato as well (every 10 days... not so bad, surely?) then tomatoes also good (and they could be the worm food, potentially)

It's not going to be amazing for gold, but it might fit your needs

There's also DS's "fertslurper" 6-apple layout

[ivory pond]

If they only harvest the apples does the rest still contribute their boosts even tho they're done growing?

[floral talon]

yup

[ivory pond]

Mamma Mia

[neat vortex]

Here's the 6-apple one: #🌱│gardening message
5-apple one: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBk.HTPT.HPTBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTP.HT.HPTBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPT.HP.HTBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPT.HPTBk.HO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H

[floral talon]

fertslurper only true layout for me so low maintenance so much fertiliser ... well it gives ya an excuse to worm all ur exces items i gues

[neat vortex]

lol

I'm not sure that logic quite works out...

[floral talon]

my stocks of wormable items havent run out that often so far

[neat vortex]

Really? I'm always fighting for my life on it. lol

It's why I worm my pickled onions tbh

[floral talon]

^ this thing is for when u dont harvest everything u just do the blueberrys and apples only
note to self update its description to explain it

[floral talon]

u must either log way more growthticks then me or not grill ur way to many fishes

[ivory pond]

Need to decide which one I wanna use

[neat vortex]

tbh I don't fish that often, mostly just for weeklies

[ivory pond]

I feel like the 4 apple one is most versatile in case I need to farm a lot of something else, can just use the corners for that

[neat vortex]

That's true

[ivory pond]

This is the one u meant no? Without the blueberry

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that's the diamond layout

With assorted variations in exactly how you arrange the supporting modules and which crops you use shrug

[ivory pond]

Since the corners don't touch apples I only need to keep whatever has boosts around apples and never harvest it

[floral talon]

i dont understand why since slva dont harvest or replant everyhting he not just go for 4 extra blueberrys

[ivory pond]

So I'll plant whatever I'm running low in the corners

Thanks hehehehe

[neat vortex]

It's got every type of single-tile crop in the corners, too, so it can support everything without breaking the 100% water/weed on those crops

(and of course could do 2x2s with a little more labor and/or some strategic bought fertilizer application)

*max two 2x2s, two of the corners only harvest boost a bush

[ivory pond]

Does harvest boost from crop and fertilizer stack

[neat vortex]

Nope

[ivory pond]

So don't fertilize apples

[floral talon]

if ur only harvesting the apple su couyld replace whatever doesnt touch the apples wiht whatever u like

[neat vortex]

They are the same buff, so the crop one overrides the fertilizer

[ivory pond]

What am I gonna do with all my fertilizer

[neat vortex]

Sell it

[ivory pond]

Moniiiii

[floral talon]

NOOO not the fertiliser think of how long u could run the fertslurper with that it owuld be 50% more apples cuz u have 6 appletrees instead of 4

wait a minute goes thinking

[ivory pond]

Yeah but 6 apples doesn't give me any freedom in planting whatever I'm cooking

[floral talon]

if u only harvest apples u could replace 4 hb apples with 6 nonhb which is more xp at hte small cost of only 20 apples fper 30 growhttikcs due to needing more seeds however u then get an topiotn to hb fert dump on those apples which could yield u even more apples

[floral talon]

yes yes thats very fair

if onyl they made apples gives boost to itself same for every plant GRR

[ivory pond]

Gimme 9 more plots

I feel like they'll never do it or the professional farmers will reach level 3000

[floral talon]

give me a plot full of soils large scale farming 😄
but hey we getting animals in a few years so ... wait iwll i even sitll play this game by the tiome we get more content

[ivory pond]

Omg new source of fertilizer?!?! Naio foreshadowing cow dung

[floral talon]

mh that would make sense then more fert so more fertslurping

[neat vortex]

@ivory pond Here's a layout to simulate the revenue from 2 semi-permanent corner beans, plus the apples, since presumably the other corners (if you use them) will be used for focus food...
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-NNNNNNNNN-AAAAAAAAA-NBt.YBt.YNBt.YBt.YNNN-AAAAAAAAA-NNNNNNNNN-AAAAAAAAA-NNNBt.WBt.WNBt.WBt.WN-AAAAAAAAA-NNNNNNNNN_D180L25Cr0.A.P-AP3-Bt.S-BtS2

~447g/hr of crafter time
or
1,560g per growth tick

[ivory pond]

Hehe thanks

[floral talon]

shouldnt that HB fert hte apples to since they get HBed

[ivory pond]

My apples are my food and income, smoothie fanatic

[neat vortex]

aintcha gonna also need blueberries, then?

[ivory pond]

Realized I don't care about blueberries anymore since in parties I just need to chuck my 300 apples with me

[neat vortex]

are there smoothie parties ಠ_ಠ

[ivory pond]

Yes hahahagggh

[neat vortex]

oiy...

[ivory pond]

Made 225 earlier today

[neat vortex]

god's sake at least make cakes

[floral talon]

cake is good food to

[ivory pond]

Nooo our smoothies

[neat vortex]

shakes head well, whatever works for you I guess

[ivory pond]

I don't have attention span for cakes I'll die I was already bored doing smoothies for 30 mins

[floral talon]

u sure ur not a fire type?

[ivory pond]

I think I took water for the cool wreath

[neat vortex]

lol

[floral talon]

thats such a firetype thing to do lmao

[ivory pond]

Why you guys bully smoothies you know they're good focus per time finally food for the adhd folks

[neat vortex]

maybe you could look into Soon Tofu and Spicy Crab Fried Rice. With a full party, they're about as fast as smoothies, with much higher focus return. If you specifically like the lower focus amount, then consider cabbage rolls, which are also only 2 minigame step layers, and also have the bonus of having a near 100% star rate for some reason.

(Because they are only good focus per time SOLO)

[floral talon]

veyr high ingredient costs theres um better options available but maybe smoothies ar hte way

[ivory pond]

Oh true, well the parties are just a few people, not sure how big cake parties get

[neat vortex]

They're between 9 and 18 people, so pretty big

[floral talon]

server sized but cakes are slow to make though and u waste the exces focus on eating em

[ivory pond]

I feel like less of a "party" it's a party made of the few of us who like smoothies xd the first time it was 4 of us, now 6?

[ivory pond]

18 wooo

[neat vortex]

But they're also held all the time

[amber sapphire]

Does anyone know the mechanics of how the boosting effects of plants work? For example corn / wheat increasing crop yield. Does the boost last the whole time from seed to full plant? Can I just leave a full plant there at all times and never harvest it to continue boosting nearby ones?

[ivory pond]

I shall check those out when I'm online thanks

[neat vortex]

Yes, any crop in place at any stage of growth will buff its directly-touching, non-diagonal neighbors as long as they aren't an identical crop (corn can't buff corn, but can buff wheat)

[ivory pond]

I feel like I've seen the tofu and rice parties here before

[neat vortex]

You don't even actually have to water in the seed 😂 just the seed being in the ground is enough

[floral talon]

we know how it works
corn with wheat they give buff aslong as the plant is placed
corn cant buf corn
onyl gives buffs directly adjacent
HB has chance at giving 50% more yierld amount of growhtticks it was aplpied to harvested plant / by total amount of growthticks it needed to be harvestable

[neat vortex]

DS I already know what you're saying and I can't read that last bit, can you rephrase?

[floral talon]

il let u do the honors if he dont get what im saying this is the way i think and speak i cannot change it for hten i dont understand it

[ivory pond]

Wow my dumb aaa just realized why it's not a good idea, I can use the same amount of apples for cake xddd if I'm already partying. Just gonna take longer for everyone to cook

So optimal smoothie party is 3 ppl if ur not trying to lose any time compared to solo, one apple, one berry, one start/stir and spam this shi so it's worth focus per 20 seconds it takes to do it as 3

[floral talon]

i mean u can have some overpreppers but that owuld add some small delay of courser

[ivory pond]

Yeah that's why 3 for no delay, we had overprep today and some people start too late. It would need to be spammed to not lose to solo smoothie advantage

[floral talon]

stirred fried rice and cake is my gotos at least stired fried rice would be if hte host stops doubling roles which ruins the point of the dish which is insta done

[neat vortex]

3 apples (plus 3 sugar) = 3 rounds of cake. Assuming 66% star rate, that's 6000 focus from the 6 starred cakes and 2,475 focus from the 3 unstarred ones, or 8,475 focus total - about 2.8k focus per apple.

45 seconds per round is a reasonable speed (on the slow side, really), so 135 seconds. Just under 63 focus per second, or about 3.8k focus per minute.

Compare smoothies, let's assume 100% star rate and estimate 20 seconds a round to be generous even though rolling takes a while. 1461 focus per round, or 487 focus per apple.

At 20 seconds per round, that's 73 focus per second, or 4.4k focus per minute.

So, still better per time, assuming you really are getting 20-second rounds, but much less per apple, of course.

[floral talon]

i think the much less per apple makes it so ur better of eating jam at that point
but hten again cake is quiet wastefull of its focus

[ivory pond]

If 45 is reasonable for cakes then smoothies won't be cause it's gonna be hard to have no delay like when u solo

[neat vortex]

And apple production is rate-limited to a maximum of ~29 apples per hour of playtime per player (assuming 9 apple trees with HB)

[ivory pond]

Oh no are guys trying to make a cake user

[neat vortex]

...I think I did that math right 🤔

idk, it's possible you would still hate cake parties, if you want to be in and out

The smallest ones I see regularly are 50 rounds, or about 40 minutes

[ivory pond]

i shall try it one day

[neat vortex]

Yeah, just options to check out

Smoothies are always here for you when you need 'em :)

[ivory pond]

Rn I have 200k focus in the form of smoothies

[neat vortex]

Also OP sweet leaf actually makes cakes faster lol

[ivory pond]

But what about burgir vs cake? How come nobody makes burgir parties. I saw they sell for much more

[neat vortex]

(because a delay in one of the 4 leafers is less likely to propagate down the line)

[floral talon]

-cries in excess 300+ sweetleaf-

[neat vortex]

Plenty of people make burger parties! I see them all the time. The 3 beans per round and the 3 vinegar per round are both a little rough, though, imo

[ivory pond]

3 bean vs 3 apple no

[neat vortex]

3 beans from one person (unless they split up the bean role, which would be smart, but most hosts don't seem to do that)

[ivory pond]

300 vinegar is crazy tho for 100

[floral talon]

are bean burgers faster then cakes or slower

[neat vortex]

Depends how the party is run. I've been at slow ones and fast ones. There's a lot of chopping and flipping involved, plus a 15s baking step, so order of operations for any double roles + attendee facility with the minigames are big factors

[floral talon]

ic comparable it is

[neat vortex]

There's also a risk of accidentally ketchuping your second tomato and ending up with a failed round

[ivory pond]

100 burgir (=300) is almost 100k

[neat vortex]

(because the prep table closes and won't let you chop another)

Emotional Support Tomatoes (OP) highly recommended

[ivory pond]

Sounds awful

[neat vortex]

When you consider that vinegar is also needed for both poke and sushi, the opportunity cost on vinegar, even the free ones you get out of lucky boxes, is pretty wild

idk, I think that every recipe in the game can have a purpose, even if it's just "it's fun, and I'm bored of cakes" or "it's pretty to display" or "it's fun to pretend we're running a fast food restaurant shift"

but asking 405g per round from the bean person and 200g+ per round for each of the vinegar roles, whoof

(apple pie and smoothies both want 432g opportunity cost per round from the apple person)

[floral talon]

but on a party most poeple are overprep leeches so its fine some poeple like to handout and contribute more

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that's also true, and you take your turn as the bean person and as tomato OP or cheese shrug

or as the fish bringer or dari provider lol

[ivory pond]

God bless fishers

[floral talon]

pretty sure the most frequent maw party hosters arent legit in how they get their fish XD

[neat vortex]

The ones I've been to have had multiple people rotating through the fish role

But sometimes you wonder

...ack, this is gardening. Onion! Onion for poke OP! I recommend.

Everyone is like "tomatoes!" but onion is only 6 chops (vs 8 for tomato) and is top of the prep table list, so less likely to miss a round if you struggle with the UI.

[floral talon]

but garlic is 5

[neat vortex]

Garlic is 7

[ivory pond]

How many times a day do u guys log into this game for growth ticks

[neat vortex]

This assumes I purposefully log off or purposefully log on for growth ticks specifically

(mostly I just end up AFKd out because I got distracted by a spreadsheet XD)

[ivory pond]

Then how do u guys do it for the people who are there for like 6-8 of them

That's going to ur plot every hour for 8h no

[neat vortex]

I have life circumstances that allow/benefit from just... being on the game for that many hours

You don't have to be on your plot for the growth tick for it to count

[ivory pond]

But then u need a no water no weed plot no

[neat vortex]

Correct

[floral talon]

2 i do to many other things abit more when i do my weekly medal grind or tryt o comp something

[ivory pond]

My afk apples better pull through

[errant thunder]

Please can anyone help with my harvested crop use?

I am never sure what (or how much) should go into Seed Makers / Preserver / Worm and Glow Worm farms / Just Sold.

At the moment I am using Blueberries (Starred & Normal) in the Worm and Glow Worm farms to make the Quality Fertilizers.

What number of Seed Makers / Preservers are recommended?

[clear kindle]

so, first off, if you harvest a crop, it should always be processed you get more money for it. always save a few crops for seed to be replanted and always save your star seeds for replant. sell everything that you don't need. it's hard to tell you how many seeders/preservers you would need because that would be your play style (i have 2 seeders and 10 preserve jars, but i only harvest apples in my layout and everything else just stays where it's at)

[slow flame]

Can you ever get star quality seeds when you put non-star quality produce into the seed maker? Level 26 gardening.

[clear kindle]

don't think so? i know you'll be able to get star crops from regular seeds around level 38, but i'm not sure about the other way around

@floral talon your apple/blueberry layout, those without the weed protection, do i still have to pull the weeds or are those safe to leave alone?

[slow flame]

Thank you!!

[errant thunder]

Thanks, I never thought about leaving the crops there permanently just for their bonuses, do they not die off?

[clear kindle]

nope, they stay in the ground until you harvest them. works well, when you're an apple farmer

[errant thunder]

and you just use apples in both the preservers and the worm famrs?

[clear kindle]

apples to jam, and before one of the updates it was jams to worm bins, but now i just sell the jams outright and use grilled fish as my worm farm materials (i mean, you caught the things with worms, might as well use them to make more)

[neat vortex]

worth noting that if you need qualityup fertilizer, worming the apple jam is a good way to go

(assuming you don't want to deal with cake parties or other things that make sweet food, which may be cheaper since you split the ingredients and get back more sell value than you put in)

[mystic skiff]

When speedygro used to kinda buy not really work, did we needed to apply it every growing day? Or did x amount of speedygro gave you a day

[clear kindle]

believe that all fertilizers need to be present during at the next growth tic to give a percentage to work (if you have it on every growth tic should be 100%)

[cobalt gate]

is there an easy way to grow one of everything?
i can get almost everything but not everything

or i guess, i can fit everything but i want to do it in a way that makes it still semi efficient

[neat vortex]

There are a bunch of "everything garden" layouts available, but even without using one of those, many layouts can accomodate any crop if you swap out crops that give the same buffs

(they just need to have room for at least one bush and at least one apple tree)

If you'll tell us more about what crops you want to emphasize and which you just want to grow a few of, we can dig something up for ya :)

[cobalt gate]

i'm not really sure tbh
like. i want to try and grow one of everything and be able to use potatos for my worm farm
have beans+rice for focus food

[neat vortex]

Why potatoes, out of curiosity?

[cobalt gate]

because a quick glance shows pickled potatos as a good source of glow worms and harvestboost fertilizer

[neat vortex]

They're okay, but kind of expensive per worm/fertilizer imo

[cobalt gate]

what would you recommend then?
keeping in mind i'm already gardening 25 so all my produce is gold star

[neat vortex]

For HB fertilizer from gardening alone (if that's your main goal), I recommend pickled onions in a regular worm farm, assuming you're growing onions and pickling them already.

For glow worms, either blueberry or apple jam (but those will give QU fert)

If you want glow worms and HB at the same time, pickled corn. However, if you're not already growing corn, it does compete with rice for grain slots in most layouts.

In general, though, if you want cheap glow worms and fertilizer, the answer is all the extra forageables and meat - anything worth 16g or anything 11g or under.

For HB fertilizer & glow worms in bulk, grilled common/uncommon glow worm fish are a good choice solo. If you cook in groups, any savory dish from cooking parties (sashimi, sushi, poke, burgers, muujin bahari) will work if it's something you'd sell anyway.

[cobalt gate]

sounds like i should do pickled corn then.

because ultimately i want to grow every seed possible-
that way i can have some in my storage for cooking anything i'd want
then process the rest through jars to sell

[neat vortex]

nodnod

Would you want to switch to growing cash crops + your preferred cooking crops once you are stocked up on the rest?

[cobalt gate]

most likely not?
since just setting up a farm is already so much work when you've got weird layouts

originally i wasn't even running my farm in the 9 grid layout

[neat vortex]

Yeah I use a linear layout, myself

I get lost in the Garden Cube lol

It can grow anything I want, though, so it works for me

[cobalt gate]

if there was a garden planner that let me change the layout of my plots i'd use it so quick xD

[neat vortex]

IT DOES

behold: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkCbPB.HB.HCbB.HB.H-P.HCbO.HBkW.HBkOCbP-CbPO.HB.HB.HBkB.HB.HCb-O.HBkTPW.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H

[cobalt gate]

whaaat how do you change it 😮

[cobalt gate]

my hero!

[neat vortex]

I was super stoked when I learned about that, too :D

lol hope my earlier caps accurately came across as excited "I will show you the thing!! :D" and not fussing

[cobalt gate]

i absolutely read it as a very excited comment xD

[neat vortex]

Aisen is a hero, truly

[cobalt gate]

this was my layout originally
since it let me run my apple tree always lol

[neat vortex]

You can also pull some shenanigans with that "Expand plot limits" toggle
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11011-10001-00100-10000-11000_CROPS-Cb.HT.WW.WT.WSp.WSp.WW.WSp.WSp.W-Cr.WT.WCb.HB.WB.WT.WB.WB.WCr.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Cr.WB.WB.WT.WB.WB.WCb.HT.WCr.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H-NNNNNNNNN-O.HBkT.HPW.HPT.HBkO.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H
(layout I built for a friend who wanted to have their crops in a particular aesthetic arrangement)

[cobalt gate]

oh thats fun

[neat vortex]

lol god this one is so old that apples didn't give harvest boost yet..

[cobalt gate]

i wish they'd add more plots man...
i like my original plot layout but theres not enough room for all the crops i dont think

[neat vortex]

Hmm, let me see

[cobalt gate]

its so annoying that the pumpkins and beans are both 2 slot crops 🤣

[neat vortex]

Yeah, though the fact that they are direct analogues of peppers and blueberries, respectively, helps a lot when adapting older layouts

[cobalt gate]

yeah thats fair, but starting fresh i'm like 'but how'

this one was my original layout
which was y'know... #Fine
but it doesnt get me 3 of the crops and isnt super efficient

[neat vortex]

so.... how do you feel about this silliness? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11111-11111_CR-O.HBkT.HPWBkTBtBt-P.HOBk.HCR.HTPmPmP-NNNA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HPO.HBkRCbOBB-Bk.HTP.HTCr.HOSSBk.H-BkBtBtOCrCbP.HTBk.H-PmPmOPR.HBkO.HPT.H-A.HA.HA.HNNNNNN-PBBTRCBk.HOP.H-SST.HBkW.HPT.HBkO.H

(adapted from another layout I made for a friend)

[tropic remnant]

how to remove the 1 plant on the soil, i want to plant my apple

[neat vortex]

With the hoe equipped*, aim at the crop you want to destroy and hold down right click (or the "secondary action" button, whatever you use to swap ammo on your bow)

[tropic remnant]

Omg thanks

[neat vortex]

with the hoe, I mean... lol

[cobalt gate]

its missing cotton xD
i'm actually not totally sure how that layout would work either since the apples look to be split between two plots

i'm currently moving plots around to see if i have a plot layout i'd prefer

[neat vortex]

There is imo zero reason to grow cotton

[cobalt gate]

gotta have it for crafting xD

[neat vortex]

It's not actually split, just offset by one tile from the top

[cobalt gate]

AH ok i get how it'd be set up

[neat vortex]

For fabric? You can buy fabric, and because it's 2 cotton per fabric to craft it, you actually get more fabric per tile per growth tick out of bok choy, potatoes, tomatoes, and rice (processed and sold, then use the money to buy fabric) than you do from actually growing the cotton 😂

However, you can sub the cotton in for some of the rice if you like, and just throw more HB fert around to make up the difference

If you don't mind a traditional Garden Cube, though, this Everything Garden by Astrea Moreno has a lot more grain tile slots (at cost of having to HB fert the bushes)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HTPBkO.HBkTPR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PTR.HBkO.HBkRPT-Bt.HBt.HTBt.HBt.HCBkCbW-PBkPBkO.HBkCrCbCr-TB.HB.HCB.HB.HWCbBk-O.HTCrS.HS.HBkS.HS.HT.H-WPWCBkCPR.HP-CrTO.HBkS.HS.HT.HS.HS.H

...let me double-check that that link is correct

[cobalt gate]

that one doesnt have pumpkins, so i assume you'd swap one of the peppers for a pumpkin?

[neat vortex]

Yeah, but here's the revised link from Astrea: #🌱│gardening message

Here's how I'd modify it to include cotton: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HTPBkO.HBkPTR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PTR.HBkO.HBkRTP-B.HB.HTB.HB.HBkBkCbR-PCPCBk.HCCrPCr-TBt.HBt.HBkBt.HBt.HRCbBk-O.HT.HCoPm.HPm.HBk.HPm.HPm.HT.H-WCbWCBkCPR.HP-CoT.HO.HBk.HS.HS.HT.HS.HS.H_D360NrcL60

Oh and where is Tarina's layout...

Ah, here, last one in this post: #💬│elderwood message

and adapted to include cotton: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HTWC.HCb.HOT.HP.HC-AAAAAAAAA-PT.HCo.HOCBk.HBtBtCb-Bk.HSSO.HSSTBB-CbPRBkO.HBkRPCb-BtBtTPmPmO.HPmPmBk.H-CbBBBk.HCOCo.HT.HP-AAAAAAAAA-CP.HT.HOCb.HC.HCrTO.H (fixed)

oops, accidentally took out the only rice 🤣

there we go

Only 4 grain slots is pretty rough, though, if you use it a lot in cooking

[cobalt gate]

ultimately i was kinda planning on having soon tofu be my main food
since its fairly easy and once we get chickens i'll be able to grow/harvest everything needed for it. other then garlic
so rice, beans, onions, and peppers are needed for the food

though idk i'm sure theres a better way to do focus food too lol

[neat vortex]

Tofu ain't bad as far as it goes; it's very fast, considering its focus value. Though, better if you cook it with others (and rotate the bean role ofc)

Peppers are VERY prolific, though

and you don't need 3 per round @_@

[cobalt gate]

i ended up making like 101 tofu and dragged a newbie into it xD
i just had them stand at the stove to put stuff in so they'd get the credit for helping

[neat vortex]

Nice!

I like to do that with fish stew when I need to clear out random rares

I was at a tofu party and it flew. 25-35 seconds per round, mostly under 30. Wild.

(SCFR usually clocks in at 35s per round)

The starter was on top of things, though. Another party I went to, the starter was for some reason waiting for everything to be done before starting to add the ingredients, so the recipe did not meet its potential in that instance. lol

[cobalt gate]

i might revisit my garden once i figure out wtf i want it to look like. i'm still figuring that out tbh

[floral talon]

It has enuf weed protec to not get the knapweed bug

[mystic skiff]

I'm still not done cycling through my last crops, berries taking a while. For mainly afk preserve jar set ups what's the ranking or layout to still make ok gold?

I discovered I could server hop to keep buying furniture from zeki and tish during the night, and go do other stuff in the morning. . 😋 So I can make dosh again without worrying about the gold cap.

[sterile isle]

What do you think about this layout? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-C.HPCbOAATAA-CO.HCoATCbABB-Cr.HPC.HBkT.HBkOCbW.H-CbAABkOBtCrPBt-ABBBtBkOBtTR-CP.HCoCbT.HBk.HWBkO.H-RCbPmCBk.HPmP.HT.HCb.H-PmP.HSPmC.HSO.HBk.HP.H-SCP.HSCr.HCbT.HOC.H_L25Cr0.A.P-AP-BP-BtS-PmP-CrP-CbP-BkS-RS-PS-CP

[floral talon]

Tishes furniture is sll craftable which is waaayyy cheaper

[mystic skiff]

I only buy the umbran and elderwoods ones with hers. Cause some of the recipes have very rare ingredients

[floral talon]

Ic at least u dont have to buy mirrors with hoe ez to get silver is now

[prisma cedar]

It looks like pure chaos to me lol but its really impressive you got every crop with all 3 buffs. idk how practical an everything garden is since some crops like cotton and pumpkins have very limited uses.

[mystic skiff]

Before the update buying mirrors was the only way cause trying to find silver was maddening. 😭

[charred seal]

Hey! I love gardening in the game. Any tips on leveling up and also tips in general you wish you knew. Because I plan to focus the most on my gardening skill personally

[prisma cedar]

all crops give the same xp per tile per growth tick, so as long as you are using all the tiles and harvesting on time the math will work out the same regardless of what you plant

there is no one "best" garden, its mostly about what you want out of it. i think my biggest piece of advice is to use the garden planner https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/ and experiment to find what works for you

[floral talon]

everything is the same xp/tile/growthtick (wel if harvested and replanted and not sit in the ground and multyharvest stuff being harvested till the end)

[charred seal]

Ok cool! I want to make a really pretty garden area. We'll thats my goal at least lol.

[floral talon]

while it is less decorative putting ur soils together gets u better layouts cuz then tiles can give buffs to each other beter but split em all up if u love oding that for sure

[charred seal]

Ok cool! Thanks that helps alot. I loved gardening in dreamlight Valley as well.

[floral talon]

also if u got 9 total weeds then nothig grows anymore due ot a bug
so keep check on that one decorative apple tree for example

[charred seal]

Ok noted that helps alot

If it's alright can I add you on palia? You seem quite knowledgeable

[floral talon]

sur eu can

[mystic skiff]

So do I just chug everything into the worm farm?

[floral talon]

bokchoi potato seedmaker (and seeds for reseeding of course)
the rest jar i never checkd how good worming is

[mystic skiff]

So good.

Sad we aren't getting more gardening soil. 😭

[floral talon]

but that would also mean more maintenance

[clear kindle]

for the most part, 9 soils is more than enough really. gardens that don't have 2x2 or apples can easily be swapped around based on what you need as long as they give the same buffs. 2x2s and apples are a bit harder to do so, though

[mystic skiff]

Yeah the 2x2 can be a bit awkward with the current grid system.

[cobalt gate]

2×2 crops will be the death of me

[floral talon]

yes putting 2x2s in 9x9s is not doable

[grim osprey]

Is there any way to clear fertilizer off a seed plot besides putting down a different kind of fertilizer?

[silver star]

Do all plants give the same amount of exp when harvested?

[clear kindle]

All crops give 4 exp per slot per day of growth. Regrowing crops give exp based on total grow time divided by number of harvests on each harvest.

so you can go with small fast growing crops to get exp sooner, or go with slower growing crops to get a large amount in one go

[winged vine]

How long does fertilizer last. I’ve had it last forever and not at all and sort of makes me not use it if it seems to go away too fast

[mystic skiff]

Would 4x4 plotbbe enough to make 2x2 slot into a mixed 3x3 plant perfectly? Or are we looking more like 5x5 or 6x6 lol. That would be so much to maintain. 😂

I was lowkey holding onto the hope that we'd have weather events, like rain. That would be so cute.

[mystic skiff]

Fertilizer get used every day at the starting day tick.

If course if the fertilizer boost isn't already being applied by an adjacent plant

[grim osprey]

Can I leave hydro fertilizer on an unwatered planted crop and on the next growth tick it'll be watered or do I have to water the first time when it gets planted?

[clear kindle]

have to water when planted, then the fertilizer will take over

[winged vine]

And that lasts one growth cycle too?

[spice stratus]

OMG, looks like i just wasted 300 Harvest Boost Fertilizers....
I applied to my fresh plots, then went out to mine, when i came back the "glows" are gone, and i had not planted any seeds yet.

Is that normal behaviour? 🤔

[mystic skiff]

That's weird. The should still be there. I had seeds on unplanted soil last night that stayed on the garden even when I left the plot or closed the game.

[spice stratus]

I had several crashes while out though

Still sad about my fertilizers 🥲

Ahh well...

[mystic skiff]

me if singularity 6 said we can have 4x4 garden soil. 😍😍

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1111-1110-1110-1110-1110_CR-P.YA.HA.HBkA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.WA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.H-A.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.HO-Cb.HBk.HP.HP.HO.HCb.HCb.HBk.HP.H-CbA.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.H-A.HBkA.HA.HOA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HBk-OA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.HOA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-BkA.HA.HOA.HA.HCbA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HOA.HA.HCb-PA.HA.HBkA.HA.HO.YA.HA.H-A.HOA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP.WA.H-A.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.HO.Y_L50Cr0.AP20-PS10-OP5-BkS10-CbP5

[neat vortex]

It might still be there, but hidden

[spice stratus]

I hope so, will only know when i finnally plant some seeds...
It's just weird that the glow isnt there anylonger

[mystic skiff]

How do I load the app with the image?

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1111-1110-1110-1110-1110_CR-P.YA.HA.HBkA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.WA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.H-A.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.HO-Cb.HBk.HP.HP.HO.HCb.HCb.HBk.HP.H-CbA.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.H-A.HBkA.HA.HOA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HBk-OA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.HOA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-BkA.HA.HOA.HA.HCbA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HOA.HA.HCb-PA.HA.HBkA.HA.HO.YA.HA.H-A.HOA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP.WA.H-A.HA.HPA.HA.HBkA.HA.HO.Y_L50Cr0.AP20-PS10-OP5-BkS10-CbP5

Stonks 📈

If we had 4x4

but crafter management tho.

The gardening part is fun. But the crafting takes its sweet time. 🙃

[spice stratus]

Did you manually change the webpage tobe able todo that?

[neat vortex]

2x2 and 3x3 crops pull up all fertilizer from the soil when planted, but then you'd have to destroy them - which might get expensive

If you're trying to pick up your garden soil to move it to a different housing slot, here: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Yes, plants consume one unit of fertilizer per tile they sit on every growth tick. However, it will stack up to 99 on each plant, so you don't have to apply it every in-game day

[mystic skiff]

I was wondering if you could clear fert for moving. Sad

[neat vortex]

lol see the guide

[winged vine]

Oh, so you can stack it then. Good to know though i don't make that much daily to do it like that lol

[cobalt gate]

i think i've settled on this layout for my plots. now i just need to figure out a good layout so i can plant all the crops
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-01111-11111_CR-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN_D0L25

this is my current tentative layout

[floral talon]

abit of everything and super ez to plant does lack buffs alot though

but u were celarly not going for buffs

[cobalt gate]

yeah, i'm not super sure how important the buffs are to me over ease-of-planting lol

[floral talon]

thats only fo ru to decide

[cobalt gate]

maybe i'll run this layout a bit and see how it feels in-game
i can always change it out later

[floral talon]

• best thing to do
  also lots of buffs layouts are often so complicated to plant that their extra complexity ruins the advantage of its afk (especially on harvest and reseed every day ...)

[leaden marsh]

which seeds bedsides peppers do the quality boost
?

[cobalt gate]

cotton and pumpkins too

[leaden marsh]

ty! HOw do i get pumpkins?

[floral talon]

potionshop

[leaden marsh]

is that elderwood?

[floral talon]

y

[leaden marsh]

ok, cotton planting it is!

[somber hollow]

Anyone have a good late game afk gardening lay out they can share? or recommendations on which crop to plant that yields gold? also will use preserves

[floral talon]

but late game is less about gold though

[somber hollow]

i mean i have late game seeds like apples and blueberries. so i guess mid late game. only been playing for 3 weeks so still need gold.

[floral talon]

ic ic ok so the thing is higher processed yields stuff also consumes more crafter time

[clear kindle]

i still like duhscapes 4 apple afk layout, but thinking about the 4 apple, 4 blueberry when i replant

[somber hollow]

so apples and blueberries is not recommended since it takes longer to harvest? is that what you mean?

[floral talon]

apple and blueberry are lower on gold per tile per growhttick then things like bokchoi potato beans but take way less crafter time to process

[somber hollow]

do you guys have the layout to share?

[somber hollow]

so its faster to craft apple and blueberry for jams yielding more profit?

[floral talon]

i use this one its on the lower end of money per growthtick after processing everyhting but i like less effort and i got enuf fish to grill for feritliser

[floral talon]

its less money per tile after processing but more money per craftertime

[clear kindle]

seriously thinking about the blueberry one as well

@floral talon and you're sure that i'll be safe from the bug with the weeds staying on the non-weed blocked crops

[floral talon]

yes cuz only 8 tiles arent weedbnlocked that why hte center is weedblock rather then water ertain
knapweed bug is at 9 tiles

[boreal lily]

I really wish you could have more than 9 gardening plots… I mean apple trees take up 9 spaces 😭

[floral talon]

if only apples could buff themselves and all opther plamnts to like an apple buffing neighbour apple

[boreal lily]

Right

[thorn fox]

@slow flame

[slow flame]

ah thanks mate

so does anyone know some good crops to go right now?

[peak pier]

How are those pumpkins? very profitable? Growing my first one

[prisma cedar]

n-no

profit per tile per tick includes cost of replanting and assumes you're going for whichever processing method makes more money (so seeds vs preserves). pumpkins just dont give enough per harvest to make it worth it unfortunately

they are cute though, which i suppose must count for something

[peak pier]

Yeah i wonder if they can be used for crafting or something. I'm surprised to see beans so far up the chart the canned beans don't have high sell price but must be rapid turnover idk

[prisma cedar]

yeah what those numbers DON'T assume is that you care about processing time. if you can stomach the 2 hrs to make bean seeds they come out the best

i should really split them up and calculate seeds AND preserves for all the crops

[drifting violet]

I think @neat vortex might have some spreadsheets for all of that already, he's the numbers guy 🤭

[prisma cedar]

haha im having fun its ok

[leaden marsh]

what made the glow worms and harvestboost fert?

[ivory pond]

Damn bro beans???

[neat vortex]

I think that's the whole point of the gardening skill, tbh: you have to choose what you plant, because you only have so much space and so much playtime

[neat vortex]

glow worm farm eating savory things, unlocked with fishing

I've been working on this for a bit:

Crafter Comparisons

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Cp52evKCiAuOtxjBE3A-Ry9ksppOJwk2F1Onrve25U/edit?gid=775497646#gid=775497646

it's still a WIP, but it might be interesting. I've long been curious about how to choose what to run overnight vs. what to only run when I can babysit it

[boreal lily]

I know but I want to plant all the things 🤣

[neat vortex]

You CAN plant all the things, just not very many of each 😉

or only on a rotation and not all at once

[neat vortex]

hm... I'm trying (again) to puzzle out if there is a way to calculate (vs. trial-and-error) how many crafts a glow worm farm or worm farm can do before it stalls, for a given set of worm/glow worm + fertilizer counts

[floral talon]

i really hsould stop forgetting the conversion formula i dont know why i just cant remember it after 5 seconds

[stable ginkgo]

what exactly are you stuck on? trying to figure out when it maxes out? can you take the amount output and divide by the stack limit. add the number of stacks the two create and once it hits 6 it stops?

[floral talon]

dont knwo about the rest but for me its constantly forgetting the formula of a wormers output

[neat vortex]

Basically, yes, that's how I calculate it manually - fish around with best-guesses and then confirm. But I'm trying to figure out whether it's even possible to sort out a formula that plugs in the two output values (derived from Arenvanya's spreadsheet) and have it find the max processed.

Given that there is an error bar involved, I'm thinking no, but idk

[floral talon]

yeay but thats those bracket formulas idk how they work but it can be done

[neat vortex]

Yeah, floor and maybe also ceiling

It's just a new area for me, so I'm having to bootstrap myself a bit

[floral talon]

the ones im referring to have [ ] things

[neat vortex]

Yep, those are the ones

I was never super great at inequalities to begin with, either XD

[floral talon]

dont worry ren one day il assist u in spreadsheet making that day is however not anywhere near today sigh so much things to do such little energy to do em

im not even gonna do matrix formulas graph plotting for most money garden layouts fertslurper all the way

[neat vortex]

So far I've got
floor(xW/100) +floor (xF/100) <= 6
where x is the number of items processed, W is the number of worms each item produces, and F is the number of fertilizer each item produces

and of course 100 is the max stack size, and 6 is the maximum number of stacks (full or partial)

I THINK I can..... hm

ugh why am I tackling this on a brainpudding day anyway

there's probably a modulo in there somewhere...

I think today is not a day for pushing into new areas of algebra for me 😂 I'll come back to this later, but if anybody else wants to pick up the ball and run with it, have at

[severe cedar]

• Blueberries: Jam $59/pb - 30 per day | Seeds $56/pb - 35 per day (Seeds Wins)

• Chillis: Pickled $48/pp - 37 per day | Seeds $42.5/pp - 28 per day (Pickled Wins)

• Beans: Canned $41/pb - 43 per day | Seeds $90/pb - 12 per day (Canned Wins)

Heres some nerd math for you lol

[sharp niche]

For pickling - what is the best to grow?
Currently rocking 5 apple trees and 9 blueberry bushes. Wasnt sure if there is a better way for pickling purposes.

[echo frigate]

@neat vortex hii Ren, I'm back haha, I was wondering if you happen to have a collection of garden planners that balance with max profit and cooking I'm now Gardening Lvl 10 (or one of each with maybe more profit than I got now by using fertilisers or what's needed if you're okay with that)? The one you sent over before has been going really well and it's been awesome with profit, I even got the grand harvest house a bit decked out so thank you so much!

[neat vortex]

What is the "per day" referring to?
Hm, yeah, I may need some help understanding your math here

[neat vortex]

Apples are middling and blueberries are close to the bottom in terms of gold per tile per growth tick. Do you want to avoid seeding things to sell, or just meaning solo processing in general (vs cooking parties)?

[neat vortex]

Grats on level 10! So you'd need a layout that accommodates bushes and at least one apple tree, yes? At least for now?

[echo frigate]

Thank you very much you've been the bestest help! Yes please I'd love that :)

[neat vortex]

I actually learned a new one someone posted in a server I'm in, but I need to get permission to share it publicly

[echo frigate]

Ohh sounds exciting that’s okay tyt I’m about to head to bed as it’s getting late, thank you again! 🖤

[severe cedar]

Per 24 irl hours

[dense prism]

does anyone have a farm layout with all crops since elderwood update that focuses on profit??

[neat vortex]

"all crops" and "focuses on profit" are somewhat mutually exclusive (pumpkins are TERRIBLE for gold), but there are some with that skew

[dense prism]

oke! been playing palia since it first came out but only recently really gotten into garden layouts so very very noob rn

is there a layout with the most possible profit with all crops?

[neat vortex]

Keep in mind that the base value of the crop is there even before you process it (because you can always choose to get that immediately by dumping the raw crops in the bin), so to me it doesn't make sense to include that when choosing processing methods by comparing gold per time.

I generally tend to prefer to compare value added per hour vs. value added per crop, as well as (if relevant), max unattended runtime (as that will give the "real" value added per idle time, with some other calculations)

[dense prism]

this is super helpful tysm!!

[floral talon]

Hangon rie

[neat vortex]

There are a few options, but it depends on how willing you are to spend large amounts of your playtime tending and replanting. Search the channel for minmax has:link - there is a list posted with some options.

[dense prism]

wha? what does this mean XD

[neat vortex]

squints I think it was a "hang on"

[floral talon]

Typing is hard for me

[dense prism]

ty!

thank you everyone! v helpful!!

[neat vortex]

To skew DS's layout toward cash crops:

water retain: focus on potatoes, tomatoes, fewer cabbages

weedblock: focus on bok choy, onions if you cook for profit (otherwise carrots and onions are neck-and-neck, though I like to worm my pickled onions to make HB fertilizer)

harvest boost: focus on rice (wheat vs. corn is preference, but corn is easier to process)

bushes: once you're stocked up on blueberries, pumpkins, and peppers, switch to all beans; if you need to restock in the future, swap out one of the bushes again

(These principles apply to any layout.)

And by "focus on" I mean "swap out the crop types until you have more of that kind (without breaking the water/weed/harvest boost buffs)"

[prisma cedar]

is it better to worm apple jam or just sell it? and is it regular worms or glow worm?

[neat vortex]

I just sell it. In a glow worm farm they gain +15g value added, and in a reg worm farm +20g. Not worth the crafter slot time, to me.

Plus, they give QU fertilizer, and at 144g input value, that's 42 QU apiece, which clogs up the output bin pretty quick.

For regular worms it's even worse with the clogging, because it's 16 worms per starred apple jam. That stalls after only 9 apple jams (i.e., after 9 hours), so it's not even very good for running overnight without having to babysit it.

If you need QU fert in bulk, though, it's probably okay

You'd need 2 worm farms continually eating apple jam to keep up with 81 tiles of QU fert

[prisma cedar]

Gotcha. I might remove some of my worm farms at this rate, I have 8 preserve jars, 7 seed makers, and 3 of each type of worm farm and I am running out of stuff to put in them

[neat vortex]

I mostly use mine for cheap forageables and for meat

(the glow worm farms)

[prisma cedar]

With my everything garden I didn't have a problem but now that I've switched to high value crops only it's like ok something has to give. The only things that are always full are the seed makers because it takes 60 hrs to process one stack of beans

[neat vortex]

Yep

Yeah, beans take a lot of crafters if you are getting a lot of growth ticks per day

The garden planner can help you estimate how many you will need. Divide the total number of harvest days (growth ticks) by the number of growth ticks you get per RL day and that will tell you how much RL time that harvest amount represents.

For example, if your harvest days is set to 180 growth ticks, and you get 6 growth ticks per RL day, then in 180/6 = 30 RL days, you'll get the amount of crops estimated by the planner.

So, when you go in to assign crafters to each of the crops, you'll need to make sure you have enough crafters to process all of your harvest within that number of RL days.

[prisma cedar]

Oooh good to know

[neat vortex]

^ for example, look at the beans: it takes 7 seed collectors to get the harvest from 4 bean plants over 180 growth ticks processed in under 30 RL days if you get 6 growth ticks per RL day

[ripe valley]

Everything Garden by Ilyeana
Hello Palia friends!

Need lots of cooking supplies??

A fairly balanced layout I worked out to include all edible crops including Elderwood with 100% water and weed. Lazy gardeners rejoice!

The pattern is simple for replanting, and easier still if you pick one crop at a time.

Blueberries & Beans give the same boost and can be swapped depending on what you need or have available. Same is true for peppers and pumpkins!

If you need cotton, swap it in instead of rice

This is NOT meant to be a profit farm, it is meant to keep you well stocked for a variety of recipes!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-BtBtCBtBtPCPC-ORTTCrOOWT-PSSBkSSPBkP-OCbORCrWCbOCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbOCbWCrROCbO-PCPPmPmCPmPmP-TWOOCrTTRO-BkPBkPBBBkBB_L45

[neat vortex]

Yaaay I'm so glad you posted this, Ilyeana!

Could I ask you to put "everything garden" somewhere in the post for search reasons? :D

[ripe valley]

You're welcome! I love making the layouts, they are like little puzzles

[ripe valley]

done

[floral talon]

Ikr

[severe cedar]

I didn't include base price, the number I included was the processed price per piece (berry, pepper, bean) as blueberry and Chilli seeds require 4 per 2 seeds, just selling them outright is an option but why do that when you can just have it running in the back ground and double/triple profit, I calculated which processing method for those 3 crops is the most lucrative for those of us who choose that route. If you still don't get the method I'm using to come to those results let me know and I'll write it out as like an equation 🥰

[neat vortex]

If I was looking at them right, it was the entire processed price per crop rather than the processed price minus base price (value added) per crop, did I misunderstand?

Please do write it out so I can take a look at it later, I'm curious :)

[prisma cedar]

greaterof(seededvalue | preservevalue)*(yield/seed - cropsperseed)

not sure if this is close to what you were using to calculate but this is the one I used in my spreadsheet and I got wildly different results so I'm interested too. mine doesn't take time into account though so that could make the difference

[severe cedar]

Yes! I can add that though! I'm at a dentist appointment rn but when i get home and am in front of my switch I'll calculate that 🥰

[neat vortex]

@echo frigate Check this one out, it's the one I was waiting for :) It's flexible enough to grow everything at once, or to swap to all beans and other cash crops once you're stocked up for cooking. Also, as presented, 28 HB fertilizer per growth tick will get it to 100% harvest boost (less fertilizer than that for any combination of beans and blueberries)

[prisma cedar]

Oof good luck at the dentist!!

[honest oasis]

Hey! whats best to grow to make money.

I wanna grow blueberries for parties.

but then something to preserve and turn into seed for money

[severe cedar]

I didn't see this until after my appointment and I feel as though not acknowledge the good luck has given me very bad luck 😅

[neat vortex]

Current top cash crops for solo processing are beans, bok choy, potatoes, rice, and tomatoes. (Of these items, tomatoes get jarred, everything else gets processed as seeds.)

[sharp niche]

Solo parties for now, as I am building to get stuff for cooking parties (ingredients for batter)

[neat vortex]

...solo parties? Er, what does that mean?

[sharp niche]

Just mean solo, sorry

[neat vortex]

Manual laaaabor 🥳

But straightforward!

[oblique girder]

the worst part is fertilzing tbh

[neat vortex]

In that case, the cash crops I outlined for Holly in the message before yours would also apply for your question

[sharp niche]

Thank you!!

[neat vortex]

Also if you search the channel for minmax has:link there is a list of possible gold-focused layouts with different parameters

[prisma cedar]

Oh no :( well as someone who has had about 8 root canals, I hope it's not anything that serious

[severe cedar]

I had an extraction that took so long the numbing wore off by the end and the dentist had to push back his next appointment 😅 not on him, he's amazing, it just took forever

[neat vortex]

Monocropping tomatoes with HB fertilizer yields...
4,335g per tile per tick (after deducting tomatoes for replanting seeds and pickling the remainder)

Pickled tomatoes yield HB fertilizer at a "cost" of 3.7g per fertilizer, assuming you straight sell the glow worms
3.7g * 81 fertilizer per growth tick is 300g per growth tick in fertilizer value

so, net 4,035g per growth tick, assuming you miss zero growth ticks from failing to water/weed/harvest something on time.

[severe cedar]

Sorry 😅

[neat vortex]

gonna tidy up my messages to sweep up the dental talk

[cunning crater]

Is Knapweed used for anything other than gifting?

[prisma cedar]

Not that I know of, there is accomplishments for collecting so many of them but actual uses no

[neat vortex]

For comparison, a very simple layout with 36 potatoes, 18 tomatoes, 18 corn, and 9 wheat gets 4,631 per growth tick, has full water retain and full harvest boost without fertilizer. (No weedblock, though.) You can also stick with pickling the potatoes for a bit less revenue, if it's easier.

A fully self-watering/weeding bullseye layout with tomato, potato, bok choy, onion, rice, and corn gets 4,680g per growth tick, minus 20g for the 4 HB fertilizer required for the corners, yielding a net revenue of 4,660g per growth tick.

Sadly, monocropping tomatoes is definitely no longer the meta, though it's always an option of course.

[finite patrol]

I've recently got my first apple tree seed and have been trying some designs with the garden planner, and I've decided this layout (I know its not good, but hey I tried).

Now my question is, what should I do with the crops? Seeds, preserve, glow worm?

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HCbPBkAAPAA-BkOCbABtBtABtBt-PBkR.HROCbBBP-CbAAOBBBkBB-ABkPCbO.HCbPBkO-BBBkBtBtOBtBtCb-Cb.HPOPR.HBkO.HBkP.H-BtBtBBtBtBCbOBk-BCbP.HBOBkPCbR.H_NssL9

[neat vortex]

The algorithm that works for most players is:

• Seed what can only be seeded
• Also seed beans, bok choy, and potatoes
• Jar everything else

[neat vortex]

Hey, pretty clever! A bit low on grain tiles, but that's to be expected with most of your HB coming from beans and berries. Nice work :)

Any particular reason for the cabbages?

[floral talon]

my shorthand method caught on XD

[finite patrol]

So prioritize seeding for the crops, and the overfill I use for jars?

[floral talon]

u mean if ur seeders cant keep up with seeding bokchoi potato beans? i geus u can jar it then or u can swap out a jarmaker for seedcollector

[neat vortex]

sorry, that algorithm is to decide what to do with which crop.

• seed what can only be seeded: wheat, rice, cotton (don't grow cotton for profit lol)
• seed beans, bok choy, potatoes
• jar everything else: tomatoes, corn, onions....

[finite patrol]

TY! I had prioritized grains before this layout, so I had about 200 wheat and rice (:

In regarding to crops I plan on changing as I harvest, like placing carrots or tomato instead. The cabbage here was simply bcs it was easier to click (and tomatoes were very similar to apple trees, so i would missclick a lot and ruining the layout lmao)

[neat vortex]

Makes sense! tbh this is one of the reasons I tend to use onions in my layouts instead of carrots: they're easier to see!

[floral talon]

u can grow cotton earlier on when its buff is super useufll then fabriccing it is not such a big penalty but yeay past lv25 oof

[finite patrol]

Got it, thank you!

[finite patrol]

Is it never worth it to plant cotton even for furnitures? Its better to straight up just buy it?

[neat vortex]

Because fabric can be purchased for 190g each at the furniture store register, and it takes 2 cotton per fabric to craft it, plus the fact that you only get maximum 3 cotton every 5 growth ticks... you actually get more fabric per tile per growth tick with the top several cash crops (grow, process, sell, buy fabric) than you do with growing cotton itself.

And that's not even taking into account the fact that cotton is usually planted in place of a grain tile, which deprives the crops adjacent to it of their harvest boost buff unless you use fertilizer.

[clear kindle]

imho, up to the player. but personally, if i need cotton for crafting, once my garden is done growing and i harvest it all, i'll plant a few crops of just cotton (enough to fill up a loom to capacity) then won't ever look at cotton again until the next run (which a full loom is usually more than enough for my needs)

[neat vortex]

The profit benefits of QualityUp also drop off sharply by level 10, if not earlier, in comparison to harvest boost.

[slate kelp]

Hi, sharing 2 layouts with or without 1 spicy/pumpkin.
1 slot free for decorating plot (if you have bug for delete a 3x3 case, use longer distance floating method for it respawn on enter of chosen plot)
Hope that help people to spend less time for garden.
Have 2k gold of difference.

[floral talon]

think ren answere dur question

[wind anchor]

Hi there! I just put the seeds of Grow All Out gazebo and couch into my storage and they have disappeared! Do you have to plant them straight away? So sad I've lost them!

[floral talon]

they must be somewhere

[prisma cedar]

If you type grow into the search bar does it bring them up?

[slow flame]

can anyone tell me where to find and what briar daisy’s look like please 🙏

[neat vortex]

They grow on the tops of cliffs/hills in Bahari Bay; check palia.th.gl's Interactive Map for locations, and the wiki for a picture, but it's a purple rather spiky-looking flower. It makes a metallic bonging type sound

[slow flame]

Okay, thanks! will have a look

[wind anchor]

I will double check! 👍

[wind anchor]

I will look again!

[echo frigate]

Okay I’ll check that out next time I’m on the game, thank you very much!

[serene python]

Do you know if you can put vegetables in the shipping box to get money for your character to buy things

[prisma cedar]

yes

[boreal night]

This what currently as lay and grow and i just change things on need or money have had the chance to collect the new crops and try them out yet.

[trim coral]

Can anyone help me with an AFK farming layout as a new player without all the seeds yet?

[floral talon]

u want the low level one?

[trim coral]

Yeah. I'm only level 5.

[floral talon]

there ya go afk
if ya mis slots of harvests u could swap carrot for onion and rice for wheat but this one is for consitnious in sync harvesting

[trim coral]

[grim osprey]

I cannot for the life of me figure out how to destroy a crop I planted in the wrong spot. I'm on PS5 by the way.

[floral talon]

on pc its rclick with a hoe idk what rclick equivalent on ps5 is

[boreal night]

On switch it was i think right bumper or trigger but I haven't played in a bit so I could be wrong

[round sorrel]

ZR on switch, so RT

[winged vine]

It’s the Square button when you have the Hoe out

[ivory pond]

Can you link ur spreadsheet again? I wanna compare beans and apples

[neat vortex]

This one?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=1265607500#gid=1265607500

[ivory pond]

Eh so still fall far behind apples

[neat vortex]

?

[ivory pond]

Income from beanssss

[neat vortex]

Beans? For cooking or solo processing?

[ivory pond]

Solo processing like canning compared to jarred apples

Unless I can't read tbh using spreadsheets on phone is horrible

[neat vortex]

Canning beans can't compete, but check them out as seeds

And yeah, sorry, none of my spreadsheets are mobile-friendly, even in the Sheets app :(

[ivory pond]

I got lost in the sheet

[neat vortex]

Beans get 101g per tile per tick as long as your seedmakers can keep up with your harvests

[stable ginkgo]

canned beans look to be just a shy under apples for theoretical max but beat it in the real play time check on mine. https://www.aqajj.net/palia-notes

bean seeds blow the apple seeds out of the water with theoretical but are way under with the real play time.

[neat vortex]

Who the heck is making apple seeds? lol

[stable ginkgo]

i did lol

[neat vortex]

+11g per apple, ouch

[stable ginkgo]

i made them as storage to break the gold limit, and literally right in the middle of making the video they upped the gold limit to 1M

[clear kindle]

i will if i have a massive overstock of apples in storage

[neat vortex]

Oh yeah, I remember that video

[stable ginkgo]

now i just have them as nostalgia until i need the money

[neat vortex]

Yeah, they're pretty value-dense, that's true

Not really an issue now that fish dishes are a thing, though

[stable ginkgo]

yeah, the fish meta is great!

[neat vortex]

Starred poke storage is technically unlimited (though functionally rather more limited as at some point the storage plot will crash you lol)

[ivory pond]

So I should be seeding beans instead of jarring apples?

[neat vortex]

That's my take. The advantage of apples is easier integration into layouts, less replanting and harvesting labor, and longer stretches between harvests.

And also good use of idle time, though beans are even better at that

[stable ginkgo]

since there isn't a huge need for gold, like we don't have anything to grind gold for at the moment I would seed beans.

[neat vortex]

😭 I can't believe I actually cracked this... I hate working with 2x2s (find it wholly unintuitive) but I managed to cram them into a linear layout WITHOUT having to HB fertilize them!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-11111-10001-10001_CR-R.HPT.HBkO.HBkTPR-O.HBkR.HPT.HPWBkO-OBkPTBtBtRBtBt-T.HPWBkO.HBkRPT.H-RBkO.HPT.HPO.HBkR-RBkOBtBtTBtBtP-PBtBtTBtBtOBkR-RBkO.HPT.HPO.HBkR.H-R.HPTBkO.HBkT.HPR.H_D180L50Cr0.TP3-BtS6-PS5-OP2-BkS6-WS-RS2

[ivory pond]

Now you're making me double guess my diamond apples

[neat vortex]

The diamond layout is an easy/low-effort layout, haha, not a high-profit one.

[ivory pond]

There's no easy afk bean that would serve me same purpose?

[neat vortex]

I mean it's OKAY as far as it goes, and imo a nice balance between effort and income

[stable ginkgo]

Nice Ren! still too many crops for me personally but I applaud the work 🙂

[ivory pond]

But then I'd be forced to do bean burgers or soon tofu only for food if I lose my applers

[neat vortex]

oh right, you're smoothie-ing

[ivory pond]

Or potentially caking

[neat vortex]

You can also participate in cakes as other roles (sweet leaf, batter, etc.), and bean burger for gold as well

Additionally, a bean layout can also easily be a blueberry layout 🤔

[ivory pond]

Tbh if u say there's not much to do with gold, what is everyone hoarding for

[neat vortex]

Well... there's a lot of stuff to get before you get to that point, lol

idk I just like seeing what I can do

[ivory pond]

I think I only have wallpapers left to buy

Well there's the millions achievement I guess

[stable ginkgo]

depends on where you are at in the gameplay, I'm mid to late game and have all the necessities. I hoard a ton of stuff, my chest is always at 10,000. Even though there's nothing to buy that is required you can still spend gold on zeki balls and furniture which is where you get to really show off your wealth.

Also just in case there is something that requires a lot of gold in a future update.

[ivory pond]

Ah true gambling is left

[neat vortex]

Yeah I haven't hit the last one in that series yet, but I'm also stubbornly refusing to sell epic/legendary starred poke. But I also hate buying Lucky Coins (feels SO bad to me to pay 10k and get seeds or something back - in fact my "penalty" for missing my free lucky coin is I make myself buy one the next day XD), and there are only so many other gold sinks in the game.

I did manage to discover the price caps on all of the housing components 😂

[ivory pond]

I keep forgetting to buy something every day

[neat vortex]

But I think most of us hoard gold because "what if they suddenly introduce some new thing that costs gold?"

[ivory pond]

I think because I'm not really into decorating there's very few things I can spend gold on, beyond gambling cause I want a mushroom plush

[neat vortex]

(Which they HAVE done several times in the past and likely will again)

e.g., when they introduced the terraces and stuff, which are thousands apiece

I'm not really super into the decorating, either, but when I do get an idea and want to execute it, it's nice to have the option to just go shopping in my storage for all the stuff I've already bought/made/bought mats for and made, lol

It's why I have a flower library as well

[ivory pond]

Wow

Hmmm maybe I should start seeding beans to gamble all my gold away

I'll see how the diamond applers go for me since I've never done afk build before

Waiting for my garden to empty itself zzz

[neat vortex]

🥳

[drifting violet]

that's a lotta gold

...

[looks at their garden.........]

[neat vortex]

Takes a whole 26 crafters, though

However, lately my alt has been getting MUCH less than 8 growth ticks per day, so they can probably get away with less; they've been running a similar layout recently, but square, and have so many crafter slots left over

I just got tired of fighting my brain dealing with the Garden Cube

[cobalt knoll]

Man I really hope we get more garden plots eventually.

[drifting violet]

Honestly, that works for me, I barely use any of my other crafters at the moment besides preserves jars and seed collectors anyway 🤣

[serene python]

Thanks

[mystic skiff]

I just realized that beans after the first harvest, are harvest able every 2 igd. 🤯

No wonder I can't keep up with processing when I parked my character at the plot. 😭

[mystic skiff]

Oh this is great for cooking partirs. Is it possible to squeeze an apple tree or two in there?

[mystic skiff]

I've moved on to a mostly jar setup atm myself too. Since I think I'll be busy doing all the new stuff coming in patch 0.192.

Seeders make great monies but it can get really crazy fast with how fast seeders process.

Or get stuck with too many beans, one time I had like 28 seeders but couldn't process them fast enough, cause processing takes like 2 hours. 😭

[drifting violet]

I was trying to appease my lizard brain keep a relatively symmetrical count of things crafter-wise, but I don't make nearly enough fabric/glass/glow worms to justify having them present at the moment LOL

[floral talon]

I stil got so much left to sink money in lmao

[mystic skiff]

I've been sinking my money into rugs and the exclusive UG items🤑. I haven't found anything good in zeki coins in ages 😕

[floral talon]

Reason to not buy zeki coins
They take storage space and that makes me wanna use em but what if they add another item to it later

[mystic skiff]

I could always buy more harvest houses tho. As I've bought up all the available plots.

[mystic skiff]

Basically this also. Thhe coins and bags themselves take up storage.

And if you open any of them it gets worse. :expressionless
I'm already at 80-90% capacity most of the time. If I open them up I'd fill up my storage. 😭

[floral talon]

Im going for 30 of each blueprint so expensive

[mystic skiff]

You'll get there. 💪

Join one of those Korean fish cooking parties. I got to experienced a real stew party and we did over 100 and a couple of bonuses in like 30-40 minutes. 🤑

Last fish party I went to was slow...... I left kid party. I ain't spending + 40-60s a round on non epic fish. . 😑

[floral talon]

korean fish cooking u mean pokebowls? but yeay epic at least i aint bothering with rares (uncommon and common fish without a job are for campfires only or to make buildings out of incase of starred)
(he said while having been gone to a uncommon fish party) ok that one was a trout diner one for the buff XD

i could also start doing powerfishing for money i need tons of chests anyways (but il leave that for after elderfish comped_

[mystic skiff]

Now a cooking party hosted by Koreans. They make cooking parties seem competitive with how fast they can turn out a round. 🤣

[floral talon]

Speedrun ones ic

[mystic skiff]

Yah

[grim osprey]

If I put a bunch of HydratePro fertilizer on a crop's seed plot and don't harvest it when full grown do the growth ticks still deduct fertilizer from that?

[ivory pond]

my crops have no boosts when i press "G examine" why

im following this and they have no boosts

uh my pictures wont send, woe is me

[neat vortex]

AS I was saying...

The Palium Storage recipe can be purchased from the register in Tish’s Store for 100,000 Gold

[neat vortex]

known issue, it's in patch notes

This is gonna be a PAIN for fertilizer management

[ivory pond]

i tried to find it and failed bleh

[ivory pond]

yeah but thats 100k, not a millie

[neat vortex]

In place of any of the bean plots, probably; I'm allergic to cross-plot apples but may be some possibilities there also, try it out :)

[neat vortex]

Yeah, and there is a difference between "wipes out between a tenth and half of your entire gold assets" and "causing a minor inconvenience to cash-on-hand"

[ivory pond]

my can is bugged and is permanently watering things

im a magician

[jolly aspen]

Does anyone know if the masks quest is borked? I'm level 174 in gardening and I never found the masks while tilling, it's a bit ridiculous 😅

[floral talon]

what mask quest

[jolly aspen]

when you till soil there's a small chance you find a mask that you take to Jina and there's a quest with it

And when I say small it's REALLY small, like I've fought RNG and got all makeshift furniture and Einar's pebble, but THIS, this darn mask... 🥲

[floral talon]

i gues i either have it or get rnged then again my layout dont require much soil tilling cuz apples

[fleet copper]

Is it a new quest

[jolly aspen]

nope, old as dirt 😄

[old walrus]

Guys what's the best plot layout for vegetable to make loads of 💰 money

Ping me for a answer thanks.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, my alt hasn't gotten the quest yet, either

[swift pollen]

Whats the apple tree-jam-worm farm hack? I put the apple jam in the regular worm farm or the glow worm farm?

[neat vortex]

I personally wouldn't put it in either unless you have need of QualityUp fertilizer in bulk. It jams the worm farm pretty quickly. It produces slightly more total value (but not more fertilizer per jam) in the regular worm farm.

If you need the fertilizer, I say glow worm farm, as it will eat a few more jams before stalling out

There's no real "hack" there, though...

(sounds like YT clickbait to me lmao)

[swift pollen]

Interesting. I saw people saying they used this hack to make money but they never mentioned the clogging

[floral talon]

how is that remotely a hack lmao

[neat vortex]

Before they changed the glow/worm farms to give the same fertilizer for the same foods, maybe it made sense to feed your apple jam to the glow worms, but the clogging was still a problem even then

Apples are really only middling for gold, anyhow, they just have that "you had to earn this, it HAS to be good" shine on them

Well, other than the fact that they enable cake parties, which are also middling for gold (as for-profit parties go) but a very sustainable party type since they don't need anything hard to get

I feel like pumpkins do the same thing, where they sticker shock folks with the per-unit value, even though they're awful for gold in absolutely every other respect - even cooking, much to my sadness (though I'll need to retest that post-patch)

[neat vortex]

Oh, thank goodness, it DOES still show fertilizer counts (only the companion planting buffs are missing)

Amusingly, it also shows all the fertilizer counts for the stuff I have stored in the soil (which won't be consumed - that potato is getting the buff from its onion neighbor). That's going to be annoying for new players.

Hm. Do I replant my apples, or do I fuss with converting to beans

beans ARE just such a fuss, is all

[floral talon]

oh just visual glitch nice

[neat vortex]

Yeah, it's in the patch notes

[floral talon]

whats not in the patchnotes is that u can only have 8 total normal chests now kinda awkward when im trying to place my iron cheests back down ... thought pal chests use flowwood but its sapwood i cant tlelt hose apart so similar looking

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I'm at 17/8 chests atm
I don't think I'll be making that palium chests upgrade any time soon

It's going to be difficult for people who have multiple cooking party plots, because having lots of chests available for guests is important

[rancid vine]

Someone know if the new elderwoods flowers get seeds? 🙂

[mystic skiff]

Uhm did they broke gardening too. My buffs aren't showinf

[final moss]

Yeah think so, its just a visual thing though it sucks. Can confirm the buffs still work for me despite not showing.

[floral talon]

This

[sacred ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-sigh-phew-gif-9050556603255945984

If you leave one of the spots empty because i want a certain seed there, does it mess with the other plants? Mines bugged so I can't see it

[neat vortex]

Well, an empty tile obviously can't give a buff to its neighbors, so it might depend on the plant and the layout

If you don't have to correct seed right now, you could temporarily plant one of the seed's same-buff companions

[neat vortex]

It's beautiful~ ✨

(to me)

[ivory pond]

Actually looks cool

[neat vortex]

Linear layouts are so much friendlier to my brain

[elder silo]

If anyone's interested, a simple table i made for myself. I didn't note down any preserve time or seed time to be fair but just made it as a general overview on what makes the most money

Note: ** means highest
These are based off all quality seeds and preserves

Feedback appreciated too! 🙂

[stiff halo]

where i can get the pumpkin ?

[elder silo]

Elderwood, buy from Tamala or around central stables for 500 infected essence

[stiff halo]

okay thank u

[pale echo]

Does anyone know a good layout that can use every type of seed in game??

[nocturne island]

this is what I use, I also value water retention so it's full water retain, lots of harvest boost. When I need carrots swap out some or all of the cotton, or some of the onions/bok choy.

[pale echo]

Oooh, I like it! Is water retain better than weed prevention?

[teal pier]

are there any crops that give more gardening exp than others? i want to level my gardening up

[nocturne island]

apples

[nocturne island]

if you're out and about without returning home you will need both - so you'll need to add weed block fertilizer with the layout I posted because if you get a weed it will prevent growth if you don't pull it (and ofc there's no growth if you're not watering).

[floral talon]

Center corn can be made cotton but then h need abit more hb fert

[pale echo]

Ohhhh wow

What about onion??

And wheat I see thats not there either

[floral talon]

Uhm u can swapput some bokchoi or carrot for it

[nocturne island]

to elaborate a little - for gardening xp I would do apples and plant tomatoes and rice and bok choy to give the apples water retain, harvest boost, and weed block - you end up harvesting the other crops very frequently and the apples will give massive xp

[pale echo]

Okay!! 👌

[floral talon]

Same logic for tomatoe and wheat can swap the same buff types around aslong as they keep having their buddy

[teal pier]

okay tysm!!!

[neat vortex]

All crops give the same XP per tile per growth tick - some just take up more tiles and/or take a longer time to grow, so the numbers look more dramatic at harvest. Any layout that does what you need otherwise and that you can stay consistent with is good for leveling. Guide here: #🌱│gardening message

[nocturne island]

oh if you haven't already, make sure to up your focus bonus and your max focus - your focus bonus will make a difference in how much xp you gain from everything so it will level your gardening faster if it's maxxed and you are keeping up on food

[neat vortex]

You may want to take into consideration factors like crop-to-seed ratios.

For example, potatoes yield 4 seeds per potato, and so do bok choy, putting them at 120g and 88g per crop, respectively.

Tomatoes take 3 tomatoes per 2 seeds, so 60g/seed * 2 seeds/3 tomatoes is 40g per tomato as seeds.

etc

[dreamy sparrow]

Hey guys, is there a way to un-sow a seed? It’s doing my heading having to wait the whole lifecycle to plant the seed I want in that spot

[neat vortex]

You can right-click with the hoe (or the secondary action button, what you use to change ammo) while targeting the plant to destroy it. You do not get the seed back.

[dreamy sparrow]

Yeah I’m not fussed about losing a seed. Saves me the time of having to wait 😭

[open steeple]

Why was gardening nerfed so much?

[mystic skiff]

That looks so silly I need to try it lol. It'll be perfect on slow days where I'm just playing to log in.

[floral talon]

downsides are watering and beans are like done every 2 growhticks at some point so muhc harvesting

[mystic skiff]

It's probably mainly nice for when you need to rush thru some gold. Long term it will get stuck not being able to process them fast enough. Because even with a 16 bean layout I had trouble keeping up with turning them into seeds. 😅

Altho it might be feasible for people who don't want to cook. 🤔 Replce the grains with corn and go for a whole pickle setup.

Lemme check the app.

Thank God. The extra 4k storage makes having a supply of crops viable without constantly clearing storage.

[mystic skiff]

Gardening was always meant to be a passive and utility feature sadly. Which is a shame cause I'm obsessed with it and it gives me so much serotonin.

Altho tbf gardening got off pretty light, compared to other skills. It's just that over time the skills were brought closer together to an equilibrium mining got their gems, silk and bugs. Then bug catching got their flowers. Fishing got buffed. Hunting got a side grade. Forraging is adjacent to every other skill.

so that as a solo player you can play whatever you like without feeling like you're forced to keep up with the meta.

[leaden crest]

best food for concentration?

[neat vortex]

Was gardening nerfed...? It's stayed pretty stable.

It's pretty tightly balanced tbh, and if anything we've got more options for making gold than ever before

Bok choy was a big step up, and beans introduced a very viable solution for players who have uneven distribution of their play time over the week

[open steeple]

My apple tree was producing 24 apples before the update now only producing 16

This is not ideal when I need apples for recipes and honey lures

[neat vortex]

It sounds like your apple tree isn't getting the harvest boost buff (or didn't have it for all of its growth ticks/missed a few and you got an unlucky roll). 16 apples is the base amount for apple trees and, so far as I know, always has been.

[open steeple]

I did not have any issue until the update yesterday

[neat vortex]

It's possible something went wrong in between, for sure, but if so it wasn't an intended change (at least, not so far as S6 has informed us, and they usually put economic changes in the patch notes in some form). Would you mind sharing your layout/pic of your tree?