🌱│gardening

[wet iron]

yes its 144g

would be nice if soil is not capped at 9.I hope we can have more 😦

[compact ruin]

when do we get rockhopper pumpkins? I don't give two carrot seeds about profit on those, it's just to fill gift requests and make pie. Too bad it's not sweet potatoes...

[haughty scroll]

ah typo on my part - ty!

[neat vortex]

You unlock the ability to buy the seeds when you get access to Tamala's potion shop as part of the main story quests in Elderwood

[flat epoch]

Be warned. One seed costs 500 of the tamala shop currency. Thats a bit of farming for the currency

[polar igloo]

I may have two questions if you don't mind;

• I assume you made the sheet irregardless of time/ticks available, is that correct?

• If you are doing the math for gold%/m anyway, why not do gold/m (flat) alongside it? I get wanting to have some tangible number (%) per crop, but if you're strictly looking at it profit-wise, then the flat/m increase might be more intuitive

[tall inlet]

My humble submission. Wheat, rice, cotton, and corn can all be swapped for each other or other single variety plant not next to the same space and still have 100% weed and water, add harvest boost fertilizer and there’s a little of everything

[floral talon]

bit low on harvest boost
and i would not put 2x2s into corner due to corner theory XD

[tall inlet]

Just did it to be lazy cause my mom doesn’t like to water or weed

[compact ruin]

groan, facedesk
Oh great. I gotta deal with the forest hag again.

[arctic girder]

Did I hear right that pumpkin seeds pay out better than pumpkin pickles?

[floral talon]

yeay but pumpkins are kinda really really bad for money gardening and not that good in cooking either ...

[arctic girder]

Yeah honestly right now I'm growing them to get the starred accomplishment and stocking up for cooking, after that I'll go back to beans and blueberries.

[neat vortex]

No, don't believe so. Canned pumpkin is slightly better per my math. I could be wrong?

Raw pumpkin:
88g
132g ⭐
Pumpkin seeds, 4 per pumpkin:
25g (100g/pumpkin)
37g⭐ (148g/pumpkin)
(100 min process time)
Canned pumpkin, 1 per pumpkin:
101g
151g⭐
(31.5 min process time)

But pumpkins grow so slowly (15 days total grow time produces max 12 pumpkins) that they're not worth the tiles, especially since they give the QualityUp buff.

(QualityUp imo isn't majorly useful past level 10ish, by which point you are getting back ~70% starred crops from using starred seeds alone; ~80% at level 15; ~90% at 20. At level 10, switching to harvest boost will just about make up the difference in star quality with its +50% yield.)

[subtle ocean]

so canned pumpkin worth the most in the game?

[floral talon]

nah beans

[subtle ocean]

I dont mean overall factoring time and growth, I just mean the actual price of a canned pumpkin is worth more than anything else (150something gold)

[vernal mirage]

My current garden layout: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-S.HS.HPm.WS.HS.HPm.WP.WT.HCb.H-Pm.WW.YBkPm.WRCb.YPCBk-O.YR.YCo.WBBP.YBBC-Cr.HO.WPCb.YBtBtBk.WBtBt-AAAAAAAAA-Cb.YROBkCrPC.YWT-T.YBBW.WBBCo.WT.WCb-OTBtCPBtO.HBk.HCo.Y-BtRC.WBtS.YS.YC.WS.YS.Y_L50Cr0.AP-BP-BtS-SP-CoS-PS-CbS-TP-RS-WS-CP-OP-BkS-CrP
thoughts? Also I'm really disappointed that the pumpkins are not great. I'm just going to grow for cooking purposes, I guess.

[vernal mirage]

Yes, base price canned pumpkins sell for the most at 151

[floral talon]

wait more then apple jam 😮

[subtle ocean]

yes I believe so

[floral talon]

almost works and unoptimised try to not put ur 2x2s in the corner due to corner theory

[vernal mirage]

I don't know what corner theory is, but I put those in the corners because I don't need the quality boosts

[floral talon]

well in the corner it only borders 2 sides so it can only receive 2 buffs so u need one fert if u want 3 bufs HB weedblock water retain
but if u put a larger plant there like an apple for example u now got effectively 9 corner plants so u need 9 fert per tick as uopposed to a singel tile crop which would only need one

[vernal mirage]

hmm

[floral talon]

this is also why u almost always want a 3x3 soil layout or a striaght line one so u got less corners

the exceptoions are basically layouts with only 1-2 buffs XD

[haughty scroll]

one I made a while back:

[polar igloo]

Yes and no;

For me it's ideal cause it's still coupled to the respective crops so you can make a better choice when it comes to picking the ones you want (albeit missing the ticks/RLday variable to get the number of processors needed)

I meant the raw amount of gold per minute as an increase you'd get out of processing, cause that gives people a way of prioritizing the processors (meaning it's easier to see which ones should be processed first/only [given the limited amount of processors/ticks available])

It's hard to put into words, but in my opinion it is best to have people see the machines as the money makers, irregardless of the crop that is being used
It is slightly more intuitive to me at least

Hope these ramblings make sense

If I recall correctly, most machine/crop combinations try to linger around the 0.6g/m mark, but some of them (like beans at 0.8+) are strictly better
What that would mean (without factoring in ticks yet) is that it is most likely better to put beans in all processors up until you saturation, cause that's the biggest increase overall
Not fixating one crop per machine kinda thing, cause that drives the average down

[haughty scroll]

ooooh yes i see what you mean, I am excited to add that
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vdLC5TCrcscE9pX6WySmidQKaCcW9Z7bIAsUuF-dQyM/edit?usp=sharing

[old egret]

Hello guys sorry to bother with this question but i just can't make a good garden without the pumpkins but all the other seeds, anyone got one that retains the water 100%?

[haughty scroll]

this was my go-to farm pre-Elderwood update - https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-TPBkOSSCSS-OPBkCTAOPA-CPCbAAOAAC-CbTCRPOBkTBk-BkTACoPBkCTCo-AACbCOTPTCb-CPCoOTWCrPC-OPCrBkTCOPBk-BBCBBOCPCb

[old egret]

THANK YOU T-T

i had one that i made myself but it wasnt good enough and i had weeds all over

[pearl oasis]

I did a quick modification to my own "everything" layout to remove the pumpkin (and add cotton), would something like this be to your liking? 100% weed/water retain without fertilizer, can reach 100% harvest boost if you do want to use fertilizer
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HTWC.HCb.HOT.HP.HC-AAAAAAAAA-PTR.HOCBkBtBtCb-Bk.HSSO.HSSTBB-CbPCrBkO.HBkCrPCb-BtBtTCoCoO.HT.HT.HBk.H-CbBBBkCOR.HTP-AAAAAAAAA-CP.HT.HOCb.HC.HWTO.H

[neat vortex]

I think maybe the link didn't copy properly from the Save dialogue? (This one still has pumpkin/no cotton)

[pearl oasis]

I think you're right, let me fix that rq (done)

[neat vortex]

I wonder how hard it would be to set up, like.. a Google Form that could feed into a filterable spreadsheet to log different layouts

Where you could enter the number of each crop, how many fertilizer of each type, and percentages with/without fertilizer, and maybe a couple of other fields...

Forms DOES have the option to collect file uploads...

(though it requires a login, so probably the alternative would be to share a URL for the image)

[old egret]

there is a site that can make that, but it still cant make perfect layout as u want

[neat vortex]

Aside from Google Forms?

[old egret]

yessss

[neat vortex]

Cool, what is it?

[old egret]

let me try to open google

its kinda slow bc im playng palia right now sorry

[neat vortex]

No rush

[old egret]

https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden
don't know if this is what u wanted but u select the crops u want and the importance of the boosts u want and then generate
it says the best layout right now as u enter the site

had to close palia XD everything was lagging

[old egret]

thank you btw

[neat vortex]

Oh yeah, the Paliapedia "roll the dice" tool
No, what I was thinking of was a way for folks to upload layouts they've made (or found publicly posted, with proper credit)

[old egret]

oh yh that would be cool so we dont have to search in the chat all the time

[neat vortex]

workin' on it

If anybody with, like, ACTUAL skills with building web interfaces would like to take a stab at it, please please do

but I have no training and also no money for hosting anything lol

[warped terrace]

I wish we had more gardening plots. 9 is just not enough. Loll I keep having to redo my garden 🤣🤣

[prisma bison]

Was JUST going to say this after having bought my last available. :/ I had plans. Oh well.

I keep cycling through 'whatever I have seeds for' but like now I have an apple tree and TWO SEEDS for them. .... so. like. my cash crop of tomatoes? yah sorry you're going to be relegated now.

[drowsy pewter]

do most people make a seperate plot for farming ? also is there a image for best yeild setup pls and are tomatoes still best for money?

[outer dust]

I haven't - you only get the 9 lots of 9 squares for gardening so it isn't very big. If you scroll up a bit you will see a few different setups when people have asked this question. Or on the cooking channel here someone posted a link to a spreadsheet earlier with heaps of info and there is a gardening tab

[drowsy pewter]

ok tysm i will check it out 9 lots for each plot right ?

[drowsy pewter]

whats the best current crop loadout fro beginners who only have veggies

[neat vortex]

limit of 9 total per player

[neat vortex]

Do you have access to seed makers yet?

(unlocked at level 5 if you're brand new, but you may already have the recipe if you're a returning player)

[drowsy pewter]

just made the garden im going to follow the setup link above once i get more stuff and upgrades i have seedmakers

[neat vortex]

The layout listed in aphra's spreadsheet is an "everything garden" and not necessarily optimized for money.

Peppers, blueberries, pumpkins, and cabbages are utility crops for cooking only.
Apples are middling for gold, and mainly advantageous as a way to reduce your replanting labor.

Top 5 cash crops for solo processing are currently, in order of revenue per tile per growth tick:

• beans (as seeds)
• bok choy (as seeds)
• potatoes (as seeds)
• tomatoes (jar)
• rice (seeds)

So it depends a bit on your needs, but if you want a garden that's leaning toward making you gold from your processors (as opposed to from cooking - not that cabbages or pumpkins are great for that, either), then I can make some suggestions

[stone grove]

What are some of the most popular crops for cooking parties?

Besides apples for cakes, and rice for sushi

[neat vortex]

And I think there might be an error on that sheet with the calculations for apples, as well; I'm not sure why it lists a % increase of 19 for apple jam, when 144 is +50% over starred apples 🤔

Anyway...

[neat vortex]

• Definitely rice for sushi and sashmi.
• Onions are the easiest OP for poke bowls, and easy is important when you might risk missing a round. Tomatoes also work, they're just harder (farther down the list, more chops). Onions also used for muujin Bahari and bean burgers.
• beans (though you make more money selling them as seeds for all recipes but bean burgers)
• tomatoes (burgers)
• wheat (burgers, muujin Bahari)
• corn (fish tacos, muujin Bahari)
• peppers (mostly for focus foods, but also muujin Bahari)

[stone grove]

Is muujin bahari like really popular

[neat vortex]

Not super duper popular like cakes and fish parties, I'd say. Some folks really like it for focus food (or for feeding to their worms, since it's a high-value savory food, so it produces fertilizer in bulk, if not very cheaply). If you make it with brightshrooms it's decent money, if the party runs smoothly - a bit more than cakes, revenue-wise. It's also needed for one of the bundles, so folks need to cook it regularly. But it's definitely kind of a long recipe.

I'd say that it's more popular within established communities than as a public party

[weak crane]

My Bean Burger garden layout after solo discovering they are solo profitable (as long as you make mostly gold star versions).

• Apple tree and peppers are in my layout for profit alone, and the cotton is to boost quality of harvested plants (highly worth it imo, hence the sheer amount of cotton).
• To make your own Bean Burger garden, make sure to include: onions, tomatoes, batterfly beans, and wheat.
• I use the weedblock fertilizer (not a must-have) and I don't mind watering every day. The only things that aren't getting quality boosted are the cotton, which I don't really care about not being star quality as I'll just put it in my loom for fabric.
• Making the gold star version (assuming you buy everything except for the growable veggies) gets you 227 in profit, and even more if you have lots of garlic and spice sprouts on hand. Vinegar is an investment, though, but you still make profit (on gold star versions).
• Non-gold star versions are [-82] in profit. You can make 2 non-gold star rounds of burgers for every gold star round and still make your money back at least, plus a lil profit.

TL;DR: I'm making Bean Burgers for xp, profit, and focus, gold star versions as much as possible for best profits/focus. Garden layout and maths are attached. (Please correct me if I messed up on the maths.)

• Recipe for Bean Burgers is obtained during Elderwood questline. To get your first Batterfly Beans seeds, forage Batterfly Beans in Elderwood, usually located near decorative/non-farmable trees.
• Wiki link for more information as desired: https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Bean_Burger

[neat vortex]

Are the costs for your profit calculations based on raw sell value or on opportunity cost (how much you would get processing the crops in crafters)?

[weak crane]

The crops in this case are put directly into the burgers, and the profits were calculated on burgers alone. What you do with extra veggies are up to you, and I didn't include those possible calculations. Thank you for asking ^-^

[neat vortex]

Ohhh, I see, you're counting the grown vegetables as not having any value/cost?

[weak crane]

Yes as I assume most people completing the Elderwood questline are pretty far into the game and already have most of these seeds on hand, although I know that doesn't apply for everyone. At that point though, all those veggies cost is time and effort, not money, therefore no cost/profit in money-terms.

[neat vortex]

But don't they at least have a raw sell value that you give up by cooking with them? (not to mention the money you could have earned by processing them in crafters)

(such that the "time and effort" is reflected in the raw sell value)

[weak crane]

True, can't argue with that. I'm not saying that Bean Burgers are more profitable than other methods that those fruits and veggies could be used for or turned into, I mainly made this to up my cooking skill, get food to eat for focus, and make some profit at the same time, focusing solely on the burgers themselves, instead of or including everything around it.

[neat vortex]

I do feel like you would be losing significant amounts of money if you did take into account even just the raw sell values of the produce, especially if you're (presumably) using starred produce. That said, "because it's fun and feels productive to do" is an excellent reason to do something in a video game xD

[weak crane]

for sure!! Hmm let me redo the maths including the raw sell prices of the veggies needed. One moment please

[neat vortex]

Oh wow, tomatoes for bean burgers come in above rice for rare sashimi, and juuuust below corn for tier 3 epic fish tacos, in terms of gold per tile per growth tick

Finally, something that kicked tomatoes into being profitable to cook with (other than poke). And burgers need 2 (ideally 3) people on tomatoes per party, so that's nice

[weak crane]

Welp, so if you include the raw costs of the veggies...
taking the costs of each veggie including doubling or tripling the cost based on how many of x veggie are required, you're definitely at a loss calculating those into account. 227 - (68 for 2 gold star tomatoes) - (90 for 2 gold star onions) - (102 for 3 gold star beans) - (49 for 1 gold star wheat), you're at [-82], and even less profit for the non-gold star veggies as I believe it is less likely to make gold star foods with lower quality ingredients, correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume I'm not incorrect on it being less profitable either way

[neat vortex]

Not sure if my math was right, but I came up with a total for bought ingredients + raw sell value of crops at 1,075g, and it's... what, 993g per starred round?

Cooking parties with folks running the recipe as efficiently as they can manage have been coming in under the typical 66% star rate, probably because the vinegar drags down the star rate

So, yeah, that sounds about right

[weak crane]

Aww well boo lol wish we had a way to make it ourselves in the game, along with collecting milk/eggs/etc. soon ™️ maybe lol

[neat vortex]

Maybe soon :D

[weak crane]

welp, either way, I'm making LOADS of Bean Burgers lol

[neat vortex]

I have heard people say that they're very fun to cook solo! and they're pretty fast in parties, too, considering the number of step layers

[weak crane]

Oh for sure! Very doable solo and easy peasy with a party I'm sure! 🥳

[neat vortex]

I just can't get past the vinegar and the beans, personally, but I'm a penny-pincher even though I don't need to be anymore

[weak crane]

that's just a good habit to have ^-^

[neat vortex]

(starred beans turn into 135g each if you let 'em run overnight in the seedmaker 😭 3 per recipe.... 😭😭 )

[weak crane]

yeahhh but the xp and focus thoooo 👀

[neat vortex]

The hilarious thing is that they give a little bit less XP than they "should" considering the number of steps

[weak crane]

whaaaaa!

[neat vortex]

(almost all recipes in the game give 20 base XP per minigame step)

If I reckoned it right, burgers have 14 minigame steps (cheese, tomato, tomato, onion, onion, beans, ketchup, mustard, mayo, garlic, dough, patty, buns, sauce), so they should give 280 base XP

but from what I can tell, they actually give 260 :X

[weak crane]

booooooo

[neat vortex]

Oh but... if you want solo profit

Have a look at the spicy honey-baked muujin. For some reason when I made it, it turned out worth 115g starred (77g unstarred) AND in a not-very-efficient group (though with some very high-level cooks) we got a 100% star rate over 30 rounds.

Even if you assume all bought ingredients AND the maximum possible solo processing value for all the gathered/farmed stuff, it has total opportunity costs of 208g per round. Unstarred dish value is 77g, or 231g per round.

So somehow it... makes... money? even cooked solo. Which is astonishingly rare. Unless they changed it since I cooked it last...

[weak crane]

Hmm I definitely don't have that recipe right now but I'll keep it in mind ^-^

[neat vortex]

It's from Eshe's room, haha

she's a tough case

[weak crane]

Ah yeah I'm not great friends with her yet lol I kinda slack on the social aspects XD

I'm also not talking to Tamala after her shenanigans in the Elderwood questline lol no spoilers 🤐

[drowsy pewter]

do you make seeds from the star veggies or not starred?

[molten hound]

To be able to harvest a crop, do you have to wait 3 palian days? or IRL days?

[fiery plume]

palian

[molten hound]

Thanks!

Does it count when I am logged out?

[fiery plume]

i want to say yes? like ill log back on and all my crops are done or need re-watering.

[floral talon]

At 0600 when online and one time after

[molten hound]

Thanks!

[cunning crater]

How many harvests can we get from apple trees before they despawn? im waiting for my 2 trees to be done so i can re-arrange my gadren

[tender pecan]

i think its like 5

[cunning crater]

aight, so im at 2 so far, got it

[cinder swallow]

I'm pretty sure the answer is no but is there an easier way to replant a complicated garden after harvesting?

[floral talon]

12 6 6 6 so4 times

[grim osprey]

Does a single use of weed block fertilizer on a seeded plot prevent weeds for the entire length of the grow time?

[weak crane]

Fertilizer covers a seeded spot for 1 growing palian-day, not the entire growing cycle sadly

[pliant rain]

Once I unlock gardening L2 how many soil can I buy ? Can I make 9×9 ?

[slate kelp]

REcall of an exmeple of garden

[neat vortex]

I usually harvest one crop type at a time, till those tiles if needed, then replant, repeat with other crops one by one

That way I don't have to plant everything from memory, just replace what was just harvested :) (if I'm really worried about it I will even go tile by tile)

It helps me to have ONLY the seeds I'm currently working with in my action bar so I don't get confused and choose the wrong one

[glacial ether]

How do you get the damn pumpkin seed?

[floral talon]

potion shop or maybe someone can gift u a pumpkin when u unlock a recipe that uses it

[fleet copper]

Wait is this why you can request || black pearl and maws without getting them first? Because some relic recipes require them? ||

[floral talon]

probably or its a bug

[neat vortex]

Requests have always worked that way, though; honey lure and apple pie recipes were ways to get apples for a long time before they started handing out the seed at level 10 (which was a good change tbh)

As long as the recipe calls for that item specifically and not just a variable

[pine marsh]

you can obtain your first one through Tamala's potion shop

[glacial ether]

Thank you!

[final nebula]

restarting my 9x9 garden to 0. i have 0 idea what to do. i have all seeds and looking for max profit. (i have preserve jar, down for cooking, down to water everyday as i play on loop anyways)

[sterile mural]

this one is pretty good idk if its optimal though

[final nebula]

cool thank you ill try it out

[neat vortex]

Here are some options that are optimized for gold production using solo processing (i.e., not from cooking parties necessarily):
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

I feel like it would be helpful if I updated u/HollowofHaze's two Reddit posts/spreadsheets of gardening math, since he doesn't seem to be playing Palia currently... but I honestly am not sure I have the energy to deal with Reddit rn

[steel ore]

Is there a list somewhere of what crops we should be making seeds for and which ones we should be pickling?

[floral talon]

without crafter time limitations
seeds what can tbe jarred
seeds bokchoi potato beans
jar
outside of actually using the crops for cooking or osmething

[bleak topaz]

Where can I find that calculator?

[sterile mural]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[bleak topaz]

Thanks!

[steel ore]

So just to be clear

seeds: bokchoi, potato, beans
Jar the rest?

[floral talon]

YES!

[steel ore]

Okay thank you so much! You're always really helpful. 🙂

[floral talon]

im doing my part

[floral talon]

ty for showing appreciation

[dim pulsar]

huhu looning for a layout for these 4 ingredients -> tomato , beans , wheat and onions (basicially bean burger recipe)

[floral talon]

and im off maybe someone else can help next time

[covert kettle]

How do you un-till soil in order to pick it up?

[humble oxide]

What is the best food to place in the glowworms bin to make the green quantity fertilizer?

[covert kettle]

It used to be grilled fish

[dim pulsar]

grilled starred fish

[pulsar matrix]

Does anyone have a good apple/blueberry plot that doesn’t have to be watered a lot?

[pearl oasis]

Do you care about the other crops, or do you only care about the apples/blueberries? asking so I know which of my layouts to share with you

[pulsar matrix]

Mostly apples and blueberries

[pearl oasis]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-CoRBRPBBBC-BCbABBkABtBtA-AATAABkAAP-BBCbCrBkBWOB-BtBtBBT.YBBBtBt-BOWBBkCrCbBB-PAABkAATAA-ABtBtABkBACbB-CBBBPRBRCo
How's this look? It's my 2x apple, 8x bushes layout with pumpkins/peppers replaced with blueberries- it has weed/water/harvest boost on all the 2x2 and 3x3 crops without any need for fertilizer- the 1x1 crops are lacking though, but if you don't care about actually growing/harvesting those this might be just the thing you're looking for

[pulsar matrix]

I’ll give it a go! Thanks lots!

[pearl oasis]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-CoRBRPBBBC-BCbABBkABtBtA-AATAABkAAP-BBCbCrBkBWOB-BtBtBBTBBBtBt-BOWBBkCrCbBB-PAABkAATAA-ABtBtABkBACbB-CBBBPRBRCo
there's also this version, though it's less fertilizer-friendly than the first one I linked lol

I... think that didnt copypasta right. hold on. okay it did work

[covert kettle]

How do you un-till soil in order to pick it up?

[marsh cypress]

To remove planted crops you can right click on them with your hoe

[neat vortex]

Soil returns to being untilled after 48 real hours; there's nothing you can do to speed it up.
More info here, including how to clear fertilizer from your soil: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Here's another option: #🌱│gardening message

[still aurora]

hmmm, folks, I'm wondering... if we put a star crop into the seed maker... do we get star seeds? 🤔

[eternal ruin]

yes

It won't 'show' that way I think (or that's the preserves), but it will come out as star quality. maybe mild chance of a normal but I get some messages crossed. Thus far I've consistently gotten star though.

It's especially helpful with cotton/wheat/rice if you're not using them cause you can gain a little extra selling the seeds when you're offline, and you just keep some for later planting to boot.

[still aurora]

nice suggestion!! 😄

[neat vortex]

I learned that it's not "chance of normal result" but rather "chance of a bonus seed (which is unstarred)" :D

[eternal ruin]

Oooh. Interesting.

[neat vortex]

Bok choy and potatoes also gain the most value when processed into seeds

(everything else gains more when jarred)

[eternal ruin]

Technically true! They gain more overall value, but they are among the longest processing single spot crops. If you got the time or it's sleeping time, they are great for processing when you're not online.

they actually gain about the same value via preserving as the other crops, but potatoes still take awhile (less than seed collector). Bok Choy is actually pretty fast. At least according to the math I excel'd.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, except for pumpkins, generally everything is +50% as preserves (give or take a few points due to rounding) and very close to the same gold per crafter slot hour.

Generally speaking, the strength of crafters isn't making money WHILE you are actively playing, but instead taking advantage of the fact that they continue to run even while you are offline. If you need fast money, there are better options from active play (cooking in groups, hunting, fishing)

[shut mica]

Hello!
So palia encouraged me to start gardening: it’s so hard in real life lol

[neat vortex]

Right? I've been dipping into some baby's first hydroponics and gosh there's a lot to know, even with a box kit XD

(I gave up on growing anything in dirt. I managed to kill a snake plant...)

[shut mica]

Haha well good thing i had my grandfather’s help! He guided me and told me what to plant: cherry tomatoes, tomatoes, bell peppers, parsley, pumpkins, courgettes…
Pretty proud of myself tbh and can’t wait to see results

[hallow tide]

Super proud of your hard work ♥️

[neat vortex]

Plaaants! That's so exciting!

[shut mica]

Yayy thanks !

[floral talon]

Do the plants in ur layout give each other the proper buffs is it 100% hb quality up is the fert use minimised 😜

[shut mica]

Haha yeah! Will get more tomatoes because i planted mint next to them

[dim pulsar]

anybody could give me a decent plot for wheat/tomatos/beans and onions by any chance ?

[neat vortex]

If it also has potatoes and bok choy, would that be acceptable?

(for 100% water/weed purposes - those two are solo-processed cash crops)

oops, some of those fertilizers were redundant because I was adapting a layout that included pumpkins

There, corrected the link, but the image is out of date

[neat vortex]

Here, what do you think of this one?

(This is... frankly a silly amount of onions. Maybe poke parties also in your future? XD)

(reposted to fix a fertilizer error)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-W.HOBk.HTP.HTBk.HOW-OPTBtBtBkBtBtO-W.HOT.HPBk.HPT.HOW.H-OBtBtTBtBtPBkO-WOT.HPBk.HPT.HOW-OBkPBtBtTBtBtO-W.HOT.HPBk.HPT.HOW.H-OBtBtBkBtBtTPO-WOBk.HTP.HTBk.HOW.H_D180L25

[rugged sun]

Hmm, about the fertilizer that increas yield, do you need to add it at the end of growth? (noticed half have lost the fertilizer graphical effect)

[neat vortex]

Each crop consumes one unit of fertilizer per tile for each growth tick. HarvestBoost is a stacking proc chance. To have it add up to 100% chance of getting the bonus yield, the buff (either from a neighboring crop or from fertilizer) needs to be on the crop for every growth tick while the plant is growing. You can stack it up to 99 or 100 fertilizer on each plant, though, so you don't have to apply it every day.

(Does that make sense? I rattle off this explanation a lot, but I'm not sure if it's actually clear.)

[rugged sun]

Ah, so the bonus is not guaranteed, but each stack increses it.
That explains why i could accidentally apply more than 1 fert per plant

Speaking of which, does what you put into the worm maker affect how much fert you get out?

[floral talon]

i still wonder is bean burger that good someone wants a specific layout for it

[neat vortex]

Yes, the value of fertilizer you get back from feeding something to the worms is roughly equivalent to half of the value of the thing you feed them (rounded). Savory foods (and piksii berries) give HarvestBoost fertilizer (worth 5g each), and sweet things give QualityUp (worth 2g each). The minimum HB fertilizer you can get back is 2, and the minimum QU fertilizer you can get back is 6... I think.

Because of rounding, there are certain breakpoints where one gold more of input value will "jump" to giving one more unit of fertilizer. Due to minimums, there are also points on the low end of the scale where you actually get back more value in fertilizer than the value of the thing you put in.

Arenvanya made a spreadsheet of fertilizer outcomes that is linked in the pins and has details of what gives what, though it hasn't been updated for the new crops, recipes, and forageables yet. They should all conform to the formula, though (aside from piksii berries being savory instead of sweet. XD)

[neat vortex]

People sure are buying that vinegar

[eternal ruin]

If you do things right, you can cut down on some costs, but I think most effective means of cost efficiency require a party. There are recipes that can generate gold via solo though (I just haven't checked math about quality items with them yet). So even buying something like vinegar can still work.

[neat vortex]

In a party, yes (re: vinegar)

[floral talon]

Yes vinegar is delicious

[neat vortex]

Since the dish sell value formula is based only on unstarred sell values of the ingredients, starred ingredients (1.5x unstarred sell value) + bought ingredients (2x sell value) add up to be more than the base sell value of the dish, and sometimes more than the starred sell value, depending.

The amount is usually less than you would get from taking all those ingredients and doing the not-cooking thing to maximize their value: turning them into seeds/preserves/[glow] worms and fertilizer — or in the case of vinegar, saving your money and not buying it in the first place.

In other words, if you take into account the opportunity cost — the value of the other potential things you could do with your ingredients if you didn't cook them into this specific dish — then almost anything is better than solo cooking for most dishes.

The exceptions are:

• dishes that use NO produce or bought ingredients (sometimes), such as fish stew (fish, any spice, garlic) and grilled fish (using only unstarred fish)
• dishes that have wildly anomalous sell values in our favor, with spicy honey-baked muujin being the only example I know of (and it still needs to be reverified post-hotfix)

lol I must be tired, that was clear as mud

[eternal ruin]

I was hoping the boosted value still worked and just didn't count for starring, but good to know. XD

I don't like that getting better at gardening means you actually can do less cooking because you get less non-star ingredients though. -_-;
at least as far as the profits issue goes.

[floral talon]

Click the allow star box
If for examplevrecipe is any spice u ran out of chesp starred spice dont want to use ur special starred spice lockbox those then u can select ur unstarred spice or if u run out of starred it lets u select an unstarred to

Its not a real problem just click allow starred u dont need starred foragables to cook with it

[eternal ruin]

Not the part I'm pining, but good to confirm that works as read. XD

[floral talon]

Real downsides of starred is u cant gift and are … if u forgot to click the allow starred checkbox

[neat vortex]

Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate that all starred produce makes solo cooking unprofitable, but tbh bought ingredients already got you most of the way there... very few recipes get away without using them.

[floral talon]

Oh ur pining u make less profit from the cooking steps nvm i misread but ur dish star chance increases and its more then offset by making more from the gardening step

So its still better to have more starry produce for cooking xd

[neat vortex]

...for group cooking XD

(there it does pull its weight!)

[eternal ruin]

closer. I'm pining that a star price doesn't affect the final item. I don't mind it not affecting star quality, it just slightly sabotages cooking logic. XD
but yes group or solo cooking be another factor.

[neat vortex]

I feel like "sabotages" is a little bit of a strong word 😂

[eternal ruin]

I did say slightly!

On the one hand, you can cook a food for a nice boost of focus, but on the other hand, there's a lot of ways to get focus options without cooking that actually compare. Kind of like furniture making, not leveling it sorta works out just fine. Which just feels weird to me.

[neat vortex]

(Also, starred ingredients DO affect star rate! By quite a bit, actually - weighted by base sell value, we think. They just don't guarantee it.)

Yeah, furniture crafting is mostly there as a materials sink

well, and, you know, the whole major endgame loop of the game <_<

[eternal ruin]

(yes but starred ingredients only affecting star rate means at best you star a food so it at least compares to the improved value of the star materials, versus non star food actually giving it more value when it clicks. Which means non-star works from the floor up and star works from the ceiling down).

[neat vortex]

Yep

Though there is a base improvement in value even if you don't star it, and that gets amplified when you star the dish, but your point still stands

(at least for kitchen-cooked dishes; doesn't apply to campfire stuff)

It's honestly bought-only ingredients that pose the largest problem

[floral talon]

Wth man thr endgameplayloop is plush collecting not decorating

[dim pulsar]

could it be somehow adjusted to 1 more beans ? and is it somehow possible with just the 4 vegetables ?

[eternal ruin]

wait wait, you either said something important or I confused myself: base improvement even if you don't star it?
Star quality improves star food chance, but does not raise the base value of the dish
OR
star quality improves star food chance and does raise base value of dish?
OR
something else entirely which leans towards the confused myself theory?

[dim pulsar]

and i tried bean burger yesterday after i got the recipe and i ws impressed how kinda easy it is to make and unstarred 800 focus is crazy imo. the only real annoying part is beans and expensive vinegar , i spend around 50k gold just on some ingredients yesterday but i messed up because i dont have enough beans

[neat vortex]

with just the 4 vegetables
Not if you want to keep the 100% water/weed. (In my experience, relying on manual watering and weeding tends to result in lost growth ticks, and over time it adds up to more than the tiles you give up.)

The beans (unstarred!) CAN just be foraged 🤔

(I mean, you can forage starred ones, too, but not consistently)

[dim pulsar]

yeah but my idea is to do all ingredients at star quality level

okey so just the 4 vegetables is not possible okey , but could it then be adjusted to 1 or 2 more beans and less onions or something

[neat vortex]

At this point we've gotten a little too deep into cooking mechanics for the gardening channel, so, here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CqV_SHjfqaYcGcfqg4aVp21tYZACUDNMHYkTo9Wyu-8/edit?gid=2013141397#gid=2013141397

[neat vortex]

That is beyond my abilities, so I'll have to pass that off to someone who groks 2x2 crops a little better than I do lol

I tried pretty hard but adding more bushes ended up slashing the number of grain tiles, and you need the wheat, too

[dim pulsar]

man gardening seems so freaking complicated for me personally 😂

[eternal ruin]

in the case of weeding, the anti-weed fertilizer might actually be of some use, but depends. I suppose.

and thank ye for cooking link thingy. XD I'll do a skim and/or a testing if need be.

[neat vortex]

2x2 crops are especially difficult

[dim pulsar]

and i have already 4 seed makers but it seems its never enough 😂

[eternal ruin]

It's actually pretty simple, and it's that simplicity that makes it complicated.

[neat vortex]

4 seed makers laughs in 10+ seed makers

[dim pulsar]

whaaat soo many

[neat vortex]

4 on potatoes, 4 on bok choy, 2 on misc., and up to 2 floaters to handle temporary overstock from when I play too many hours in a row 😂

[eternal ruin]

I'm at like 6-7 seed makers and maybe 8 preserve jars? I'll double check when I head back to water the blueberries.

[neat vortex]

...oh right, and I'm growing beans right now instead of one of my apple trees, so it's more to handle those

I haven't decided if I'll keep it... beans are attractive but are annoying in my linear layout

(too much complicated fertilizer management)

[dim pulsar]

arent pumpinks good too if u just want to do profit and pumpkin dishes?

[neat vortex]

Absolutely not lol

[dim pulsar]

i mean isnt jarred pumpinks half the time of potatoes for more value

[eternal ruin]

6 seed collectors, 6 preserve jars. Although I have two more jars sitting in storage.

[neat vortex]

Maybe if you just like cooking the pumpkin dishes for fun, but they squat on 4 tiles for 15 growth ticks and produce only 8-12 pumpkins during that time

[eternal ruin]

jarred pumpkins only get a fraction of the jar bonus though. They do have a high value for their lower volume, however. Math-wise they're so so.

[neat vortex]

and also don't provide a useful buff if you're past level 10ish gardening

[neat vortex]

Not if you consider value added per time or per crop (as opposed to final amount)

You can't divide up the original pumpkin value per time; it was already there without any processing

[dim pulsar]

interesting but kts crazx how many crafters u all use , i only have 1 sawmill whoch i pretty much never use currently and 2 smelters which recenrly are pretty empty too even though i mine alot.

and 2 wormfarms + 4 seed makers and 1 preserve jar

[eternal ruin]

My tomatos apparently lied ot me about when they were at their last harvest. D:< I feel like sometimes my plants like to play tricks on me now...

[neat vortex]

I can't keep track of it without having fertilizer on them to count growth ticks for me

Stack up the fertilizer to a multiple of 10 and then it counts down for me xD

[eternal ruin]

I use a message sign to track if I don't feel like doing it on an excel sheet.

also because I find laying all the fertilizer per tile maddening on smaller plants. Unless there's a volume trick I'm not aware of for mass laying down fertilizer?

[neat vortex]

I use a set of 4 candles to track my apples, but I still sometimes forget to light them

[eternal ruin]

candles is a nice touch. I may consider that one.

[neat vortex]

Not really, other than using an autoclicker or (what I do) add an additional keybind for "use action bar item" so I can spam a keyboard key instead of a mouse click

For the most part, though, once you've got it laid down, it's just topping it up regularly, which is much fewer clicks

My crops are never going to go long enough to chew through 99 fertilizer, but I put that much on my crops anyway. That way it stops adding itself when I re-up it, and then the numbers stay neat lol

[eternal ruin]

Fair enough! I think I learned that complete plants you don't harvest still eat those if you leave them on extra days as a side note.

[neat vortex]

Only if you're away from home but online for an extended period

On the upside... multiharvest plants keep accumulating growth ticks when that happens!

I've gotten 3 harvests off of one tomato plant all at once before when I was on a fishing spree lol

[eternal ruin]

Oh? What actually happens if they got enough for another harvest? waits a day or multi-grab?
and got answer. XD
Future response: that's the power of edit (if used responsibly)

[neat vortex]

Multi-grab (this slowmode is killing me argh)

but yes, that is the downside of the fertilizer checks being done the way they are

(i.e., when you arrive home, it seems like it does the "how many growth ticks was it" calculation, then subtracts fertilizer, then goes "is it done?")

[eternal ruin]

Although a small perk to fertilizer on 2x2 or 3x3 crops is it autoapplies to all of them, so that's a little more sane if you use it.

I have found I'm always returning home at least once within a day to drop off my findings, so watering is usually not a real problem for me. Or i use stable travel with that ease of 10 gp.

[neat vortex]

I am not good at keeping track of time, even when I am physically at home and staring at my garden

with an audio cue reminder, even! lol

[eternal ruin]

Pomodoro it and set a timer? Phone alarm menace.

[neat vortex]

If you don't mind the extra work and the "MUST be home to water or else," then that opens up a lot of options, if you have the Keeping Track Of Time superpower 😉

[floral talon]

some poeple specifically request layouts without any water retain cuz they lik watering so much

[eternal ruin]

I'm pretty good with that one, yes! With at least an exquisite can, watering the whole field is maybe 9 clicks and only 21 gp in expense compared to 162 gp and back bending manure. @_@

but if you know you might miss a click, using the fertilizer as backup can be useful.

but if you are using some hydrating crops, you can also strategically water too.

...and off topic I somehow disabled my aiming ability with bow by tweaking a keybinding. Even though I didn't do anything to right click. ^^; XD
(and solved it. Not sure how that got changed, but okay!)

[neat vortex]

Okay, so hear me out... this is hideous, but: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-O.YW.YW.YO.WBtBtT.YBtBt-O.WW.YW.YT.YBtBtO.WBtBt-O.YO.WT.YO.WBt.HBt.HT.YBt.HBt.H-O.WW.YW.YO.WBtBtT.YBtBt-O.YW.YW.YO.WBtBtT.YBtBt-O.WO.WT.YO.WBt.HBt.HT.YBt.HBt.H-T.YW.WW.YO.WBtBtT.YBtBt-O.WW.YW.YO.WBtBtT.YBtBt-O.WO.WT.YO.WBt.HBt.HT.YBt.HBt.H_D180L25Cr0.Bt.S-R.S-RS3

It almost works? 😂

slight bean and wheat surplus

(proportional to the recipe)

[golden yacht]

Not bad

[neat vortex]

I'm pretty sure JMG is planning to cook them all up into burgers XD but that's good to know, too

[golden yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-ahh-gif-22161096

Mmmmmmm, I do love me a tasty burger!

[eternal ruin]

CHeck for pickles under the tongue after. >_>

[winged vine]

one thing i wish would be the case is that the plant giving the benifit (like water retention) worked on itself as well and not just its neighbors

[neat vortex]

Bean burgers at 782g per round average (assuming 66 percent star rate), minus 600g per round to buy vinegar (and more for egg, oil, milk, garlic, sprouts, which I don't feel like adding up), so let's say 100g net per round just to be generous...

12 growth ticks gets you 75ish rounds of solo burgers (though why 12? cuts off a bunch of harvests - imo better to use 180, or at least the least common multiple)

so 12 growth ticks on that layout is 7500g of burgers, plus solo processing the excess crops (24 wheat at 74g in seeds is 1.7k, plus 92 beans at 135g in seeds is 12.4k)

Total revenue from solo burger layout: 21,600g, approximately

And more than half of that was extra beans processed into seeds.

[eternal ruin]

Hydrate fertilizer is pretty cheap (2gp a piece). You could technically dot your hydrating plants with it, whcih will make sure they hydrate the rest in turn, at least if you're away for extended periods.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that's why it's called companion planting, haha

No Tomato is an Island... or something

[neat vortex]

See, it's the

minus 600g per round for vinegar
that just kills me, ngl

someday I'll do that focus per tile per tick math

cracks me up that you get 3x the gold by solo processing instead of solo cooking

[eternal ruin]

I mean, both can be options, but aye. XD
Focus per tile hmm? I do have gp per tile per crop, but focus seems a bit more subjective.
Or I'm misunderstanding focus here.

[dim pulsar]

holy hell that is absolulety amazing

[floral talon]

Or at least aswell on the same type i want my monoculture xd

[dim pulsar]

for me personally i really dont care about profit that much and i dont care about preserving items as much , i care about basicially having infinite supplies for my most used food which will be burgers and the other ingrediants ill buy even though it is a bit expensive , like i said i spend around 30 to 35k gold for cooking 40 burgers , when i have enough harvested vegetables my plan is to cook once a week around 100 times the burger (so 300 burgers total) which will cost me around idk 60 to 70k gold for the igrendients u need to buy. but i make around that amount of money per evening

[winged vine]

My only issue is lack of beans lol

[timid burrow]

Hey im looking for the person who made this infographic. Does anyone know who made it and if theyve made an updated one?

[opal slate]

I have this same graph saved on my phone so I went looking for it

They are u/HollowofHaze on reddit, but it does not seem like there has been an update for the infograph

[timid burrow]

I found that person as well but i only found an early version, i couldnt even find this exact one

[opal slate]

If you go through their posts, this exact one is a little further down than the early version

There is a gold tracker i found to be helpful as well on https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[timid burrow]

Lol oops. Guess my blindness is showing 😂. I seen the gold tracker as well but i feel like the profit is not worth the double processing

[old vale]

has anyone came up with a new layout with all the crops? i like using and having a bit of everything unfortunately lol

I haven't obtained pumpkin seeds yet, but will soon

[floral talon]

yeay and mine is only second best 😦 i keep forgetting what hte best looks like cuz i forgot to copy it
pumpkins are also not really worht it unles ur really like supplying them for their dishes
so u could do pumpkins instead of peppers for a few runs to get more actually usefull crops

[floral talon]

😈 and stolen i mean ty for supplying that

[neat vortex]

I made the garden layout database survey but I don't know if I will have the energy to maintain it

https://forms.gle/xafX1gxzFHwjNgMJ6

I haven't even put my own collected layouts in yet lol

[neat vortex]

y'know we could probably save ourselves a Lot of data entry if we could either parse the planner URL directly and/or if the planner could maybe output something importable 👀

this still feels like a kludge, though

I feel like it needs a frontend, but that is far beyond my current skill set, unless anybody knows something more or less out of the box that could work

[floral talon]

i only know how to make layouts ...

[timid burrow]

Am i crazy or is fertilizer stacking not visible? I put a bunch of harvest boost and i dont see numbers just “harvest boost”

Shouldn’t i see “harvest boost 99” for example?

[boreal parcel]

You can't see it until you have max and can't put no more

[covert kettle]

You can see it. It means it's getting harvest boost from a plant

[neat vortex]

If there isn't a number, that means that that plant is getting the harvest boost buff from a neighbor (...oh my god I had to retype that like four times, "harvest boof - wait")

The buff from the neighbor will prevent the fertilizer from being consumed, but it's still there in the soil.

[timid burrow]

That’s what i thought but the soil was bare before i put it on so im very confused lol

Unless harvest boosted plants have no animation and im really dumb and wasted a bunch of fertilizer?

[flat epoch]

Wtf why cant I move my garden plots?

[eternal ruin]

If there is active plant it cant move.

[flat epoch]

The apple tree can be moved just fine tho. I have multiple 1x2 plots that cant be moved

Sometimes group moving works, sometimes not.

[eternal ruin]

Magic!

[neat vortex]

They have a swirly animation on them - or, rather, they do IF they have Harvest Boost fertilizer on them

There is no visual indication of the buffs from neighboring crops other than the list when you inspect the garden

...I feel like this still might not be answering your question, though

[flat epoch]

This crap is actually making my blood pressure rise. My poor asymmetrical garden

[timid burrow]

I checked with some other crops and i think it was a visual bug. The counter is going up now lol

[clear kindle]

do you have any 2x2 straddling two garden plots?

[desert glade]

what level gardening do you get guaranteed star crops from star seeds? i remember hearing there was a point but not what it was 🤦

[eternal ruin]

I'm going to assume pretty high in general versus early.

[clear kindle]

level 25 is the guaranteed star crop from star seed

but you may start seeing it earlier than that, i think around 15-20

[desert glade]

cool beans, thanks

ive been using quality fertilizer in the mean time so good to know when i can stop bothering. Soon... gloriously soon.

[vale phoenix]

i had no idea this was a thing!!!! ive been making fertiliser when i havent needed to for 30 levels!!!! i feel so stupid now lol

[desert glade]

hahahaaa im so sorry and you are welcome?

[peak pier]

I think it'd be neat if it rained on your plot on occasion and watered your stuff for you

[hollow rover]

does gardening level affect star crop chance?

[floral talon]

Situational

[grim osprey]

Can I stack fertilizers on a single seed plot for multiple days of use or do I have to do it single use each day?

[clear kindle]

and just so you know at level 38 (guaranteed at level 50) you'll get star crops from regular seeds as well

[clear kindle]

you can stack up to 99 on a single plant

[tender gull]

does anybody have the best crop layout?

[grim osprey]

Thank you and I'm guessing it'll stay in the seed plot even after the crop is harvested?

[clear kindle]

depends on your playstyle what the best layout is. i run a 4 apple tree with 100% water/weed/harvest boosts but only harvest the apples and everything else is in the ground. if you're more interested in participating in cooking events, the layout would be set up more for that cooking party

[tender gull]

im just looking for automation and profit.

can i see ur layout?

[clear kindle]

thanks to duhscape for the layout

if you just harvest the apples to make jams then you don't need to worry about the harvest boosts in the corners and what not

[tender gull]

tqtq

[bitter stump]

I'm trying to figure out a farm set up that would allow me to make apple jam and also cook focus food consistently. Anyone have any suggestions?

[clear kindle]

the layout that i posted above is great for apple jam. you get 96 apples per harvest and can use the excess to make petite fives (400/600) for focus foods (though you will need to buy ingredients from zeki). it's also 100% water/weed and harvest boosted (with minimal fertilizers)

[bitter stump]

Huh, I'll have to give it a look over. Thanks!

[clear kindle]

can also swap out same buff items with each other if need other items

[grim osprey]

If I leave a plot with wheat seeds in the corner and never water it, will it continue to give the yield boost to the two adjacent spaces indefinitely?

Siiick! Ty!

[eternal ruin]

Fun element, I think completed crops can sometimes grow weeds too, so even if you don't pick it potential free money while it sits there.

[floral talon]

having 9 weeds stops all plants from saving that they grown

[eternal ruin]

Well, I presume you pick them the moment they grow, but good to know mass weeds has another effect. O_o;

[floral talon]

like theres some error in saving that they grown so when ur on ur plot at growthtick u see em grow leave plot or logout come back and they are one step back again

unless u harvest somethign water weed or add fert to manually save it

[eternal ruin]

For now, I'll pretend to call that a feature.

[hazy wharf]

Hey guys, hope everyone's well. I'm looking for a garden layout that focuses on profit because I'm low on the monies, no weed block or water retain because I like tending to my crops, and has some cotton just so I can craft fabric. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated thanks ❤️

[floral talon]

how many growthticks do u do per day?

[grim osprey]

This will probably sound ignorant, but I'm new, what are growth ticks?

[mint sandal]

A Palian day, aka 1 hour (6am Palia time is day reset)

[clear kindle]

growth tics are basically the growth rate of the crops to harvest. a growth tic happens every hour that you are online (at 6am) and it increases the stage of the crop by one. for example, apples have 12 growth tics before first harvest, then 6 more growth tics to the next harvest times 3 (12-6-6-6). bok choy has three growth ticks to harvest, ect. ect

[grim osprey]

Last question gardening gurus: what if I plant seeds at or just before 5:59AM, does it then count as a day when the growth ticks thing happens at 6AM?

[floral talon]

yeay if u can water it in the 1palian minute XD

[dry gate]

Hey all new player here, on like my 2nd week of palia, whats a good layout for my farm to maximize gold? as im upgrading more skills the money is becoming harder to maintain, alot of what i see is for 9x9 but dont quite have those yet, still on the 6x6, and still unsure what seeds to prioritize , ive been doing alot of cotton for fabric

[floral talon]

gardening level?

[dry gate]

just hit 5 and bought the seed collector

[floral talon]

ok so star chance goes up with level so u need quality up still

how much do u hate using fertiliser on a rate of 1-10

[dry gate]

honestly dont mind it, i got both the normal worm farm and the glow so been getting it from there

[floral talon]

i coudl send the no weedblock ones as u wont need to muhc fertiliser and if u check back its way easier to replant XD

u could swap cabbage for tomatoes

[dry gate]

ok that one looks promising, def will keep both in case im low on fert

thanks alot🙏

[floral talon]

theres also sqaure variants but thsoe take more fertiliser due to trheir pattern being broken more often

[dry gate]

this actually may be a dumb question, does the crop boosts only affect crops for the plot its on or will it affect the crop next to it if its on a different plot side by side

[floral talon]

of the soils are snapped it gives it to the tiles there aswell in + driectly adjacent aslong as not exct same plant type and sadly not itself

[dry gate]

ok that helps alot thank you again

[final nebula]

@sour dust

[keen vine]

Hello! Trigger alert: noob question.

Currently following guides with various gardening layouts. Do I wait for everything to grow and then harvest it all at once, or do I harvest it as it grows & replant it immediatelly?

fyi Using a very basic one from like a year+ old guide. xD

[livid marsh]

Are peppers better money, or are tomatoes better money?

[floral talon]

peppers are awfull aside from cooking in some dishes

[floral talon]

either is fine u would get more yield if u harvest and reseed asap also that one is really a bit outddated XD

[neat vortex]

Oh, looks like a variant on the Khan the Windseeker's Bullseye layout.

If you swap the rice on the corners for the potato on the inside corners, it's a lot better!

(I'm not sure why the potatoes and rice are where they are, on that one... baffling)

Or, actually, hm, why isn't this one 100% weed/water? something is funky somewhere

[keen vine]

I'm down to using another similar layout if you have a recommendation. Bonus points if it has cotton in it. I'm too tired to be figuring stuff out.

[neat vortex]

Here's the other version of the bullseye: #🌱│gardening message

Do you need cotton for fabric or for the buff?

[keen vine]

Fabric ^^

[neat vortex]

Since they changed fabric to cost 2 cotton apiece, you now actually grow more cotton per tile per growth tick by growing any of the cash crops (and then buying fabric from the furniture store register) than you do by actually growing cotton.

So I would actually recommend that you not grow cotton unless you need raw cotton specifically for something

[livid marsh]

Ty I'll just grow some for dishes then

[hollow rover]

is there a cap when you go offline?
I thought of just spamming apple seeds w/ WeedProt+WaterReten, but it seems like that wouldn't work?

[floral talon]

Growthticks are at paliantime 0600 when online and one time after

[hollow rover]

oh thanks, I guess my apple plan wont work unless I go online every hour

[floral talon]

I mean log in right before grethtick stay till after can make it every 2h but yes

[wheat tundra]

Hi! Is there any way to remove plants that are already planted? Not move, remove them.

[sterile isle]

right click with the hoe on the plant you want to remove i think

[wheat tundra]

OMG wait that worked! Do I lose the plant/seed or does it go back to inventory?

Also, why doesn't it work with a controller

[sterile isle]

maybe the "right click" is not bound to a buttton - idk i do not polay with a controller ^^

[wheat tundra]

It is! Sorry I just figured it out. On the Xbox controller it's press and hold X . I guess whatever button you use to eat

[rich magnet]

is there a "best crop" to grow for leveling and/or money farming? just starting to work on it, only level 2 with it

[eternal ruin]

You lose the crop and seed if you remove it forcefully.

Generally i think the more advanced give more... but as they usually take longer to grow it may even out. Really as long as you are growing full tilt you will gain levels steadily. 9 plots is the limit so max thay out first if you can. Just be careful about storage bloat!

[rich magnet]

thanks! my storage is full to bursting already from all the wood and stone I got from clearing my plot xD I'll have to make more storage regardless probably. I'm sure I'll find a use for all this wood and stone at some point, I only just finished doing main story stuff so I'm just now ACTUALLY exploring the rest of what the game has to offer.

[eternal ruin]

Sapwood is extremely easy to get so i suggest trimming to like 100 planks and 100 wood. For stone similar logic, but if you got a glass kiln you can convert the spare stone to glass for a decent profit and space gain.

[neat vortex]

Yes, it evens out. All crops give 4 base XP per tile per growth tick :)

[neat vortex]

The current cash crops for solo processing are beans, bok choy, potatoes, tomatoes, and rice. Beans come into their full potential once you unlock the seed collector at level 5.

cabbage, peppers, pumpkins, and blueberries are utility crops for cooking (though peppers and berries can be used at for-profit cooking parties)

Everything else falls somewhere in the middle. (I recommend onions as your second weed prevention crop as they have more uses in for-profit and focus food cooking.)

Leveling tips here: #🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

i recommend onions as second weedblock so u dont have to harvest so much plush they got uses unles u want things to sync more then carrots bokchoi is king of hte weedblock

[livid tendon]

To add to beans, the star version makes great food in the crop preserver, about 270 focus each if i recall correctly

[neat vortex]

Yeah, canned beans are definitely the least-bad option if you need to eat your preserves/would rather not cook

Assuming you can get the volume you need, but being able to forage them helps

[livid tendon]

Which these days i dont feel like cooking lol

[livid tendon]

True, once you get them, seed process em and plant at least 4, should be set to self provide from then on

[lusty lodge]

Dumb question but I haven’t played in months and now I have the pumpkin stew recipe but how do I get pumpkins?!

[clear kindle]

if you continue the main quest lines through elderwoods, tamala will open up a shop herself and you can buy the pumpkin seeds there

[brazen robin]

anyone knows a good way to level up gardening faster? ive been playing for 2 weeks so im not super familiar with the game

[cerulean meteor]

Look up a auto farming setup per your squares, check in every 2 hours and keep replanting and doing ur thing

Gardening takes a long time compared to everything else ngl

[brazen robin]

gotcha, i was tryin to level up to get the preserves bin bc i saw that makes quite a bit of gold

same for hunting, but i think its just easier to do stuff in parties in this game

[cerulean meteor]

That one^ hunting so far has made me the most money it makes double in parties

[brazen robin]

i know this isnt the hunting chat, but do you hunt a specific animal or just whatever you feel like?

[cerulean meteor]

Go to hunting chat ill explain

[brazen robin]

ok

[neat vortex]

Leveling info here: #🌱│gardening message
but tbh Fayette covered most of it already :)

[brazen robin]

ok ty 🙂

should i be looking for harvest boost?

[worn shore]

Which veg gives the most xp

[neat vortex]

Apples BUT they take a long time to grow so it evens out. All crops give XP at the same rate (4 XP per tile per growth tick)

[neat vortex]

For leveling only, it doesn't matter, but +50% yield is pretty good imo

[worn shore]

Tyvm

[timid burrow]

Some of the layouts show profit in growth ticks or hours how do I compare the two?

[lean anchor]

How does pumpkin fit into the min-maxing of cost efficiency for gardening?

[rose vault]

how do i fill the watering can

[timid burrow]

Go into a body of water with watering can equipped and hit ‘X’ if on Xbox

[finite burrow]

can i delete a plant from my field that is not finished growing?

[placid jungle]

Luki: yes, but I’m fairly sure we don’t get the seed back if the plant is cancelled

[neat vortex]

Slynx is correct: you can destroy the plant by equipping your hoe, aiming at the plant in question, and right-clicking (or pressing the button that allows you to eat an item on your action bar, whatever that is on your system). You don't get anything back; it just goes poof.

[neat vortex]

If you want to compare them in growth ticks, go into the setting on the "hours" one and remove all the crafters. That will show you the raw gold per tile per growth tick (before any processing).

However, a lot of crops gain a big chunk of value from processing (beans and bok choy, especially). In that case, you would go into the one that's in gold per tick and set up crafters for each of the crops.

The usual algorithm for most players is:
everything that can't go in a jar as seeds
beans, bok choy, potatoes as seeds
everything else that can go into jars in jars

[finite burrow]

thank you ♥

[finite burrow]

thank you ♥

[nocturne hedge]

I wonder how high they will let me go https://gyazo.com/1fc0460205511c17b7d7f947b1f10a22

[floral talon]

u can only attach up to 50 items to something

[nocturne hedge]

oooh I didn't even count i just like the tower lol

[floral talon]

wel lnow u know how long u can keep stacking em

[nocturne hedge]

Yes! its not perm I am working on another plot and wanted them out out of my storage ! 🙂

[floral talon]

if there was an ocd way to make neat stacks easily i would make a landfill plot of fish and insects and flwoers and treeseeds

[nocturne hedge]

that would be pretty cool! I want butterflies and such that out of the display case , so they float around the plot - wishful thinking !

[keen vine]

I want to make a loooooot of cotton for furniture. Is the easiest and best way to just plant 9x9 full of cotton and dont worry about it?

[floral talon]

No cuz putting a third or les harvyboost plants in between has the same yield plus harvy boost plants xd

[keen vine]

Alright^^ Any good template you could recommend?

[odd star]

https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden does anyone here use this?

for some reason, when I add fertilisers, it takes down my average profit... but how does that make sense?

[dull wing]

Hey Gardeners, If I till a plot of land on my soil. How long do I wait til it untills itself?

[floral talon]

No

[odd star]

how do you generate a garden? If you dont mind me asking

[floral talon]

We use a different layout planner
Layouts posted usually contain a link to it

[mystic skiff]

Ok so I have a ton of focus food saved up, now my next goal is to finish up my fishing achievement and catch my first maw.

And do some rare/epic poke/sashimi parties.
So imma need to start farming up some glow worms and rice.

Any recommendations, on a layout ?

[floral talon]

Anything with at least alot of onetile harvy boost plants in em csn be used

[timid burrow]

I cant decide between the cross layout or the diamond layout ☹️😔

[floral talon]

Which ones are those?

[timid burrow]

Cross: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPCrBkORCrRBk-OBkTPCrPTRO-CrBkT.HROPBkRCr-TPOBkCrROPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPORCrBkOPT-CrRBkPORT.HBkCr-ORTPCrPTBkO-BkRCrROBkCrPT.H

diamond: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HBkRTP.HTRBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkR.HTP.HTRBkO-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRTO.HTRBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRTO.HTR.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-OTRBkP.HBkRTO.H

I also like the bullseye as well: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTOBkWRORP-BkPTRWRTOBk-OBkP.HRWTPRO-TRBkPWOBkRT-PBkPRWRPTP-TRBkOWPBkRT-ORPTWRP.HBkO-BkOTRWRTPBk-PRORWBkOTP.H

[floral talon]

ic ic i uwse difgferent names for htose
yes bullseye is super good for sure

in ur case i think the cross layout woudl be best @mystic skiff

[timid burrow]

What are the specific uses for each one?

[timid burrow]

Lol love the name 😂

[floral talon]

how much apples u want more apples is more apples and less replanting and stuff

[fading siren]

Brand newbie here, but to answer your question on the fertilizer/profit. I wonder if it's calculating the cost of the fertilizer? Depending on how you make/buy it would change the "cost"? So who knows what number they are pulling? 🤔🤷🏻‍♀️

[timid burrow]

I want money with the least annoying amount of fertilizer possible lol

That’s why i liked those layouts the fertilizer is easy to keep track of

[timid burrow]

Seed everything but corn and carrots?

[floral talon]

well i made this one with crops that syncup so its actually afk otherwise uhavew to harvest every growthtick but u can swap out cabbage for tomota and swap rice with corn then replace corn with wheat for most money
but yes in this case all jar besides bokchoi potato (and obviously whatever cannot be jarred)

beans are more money but i havent made a good layotu that i tested out yet

[timid burrow]

How is it afk?

[floral talon]

aside from harvesting u do not have to tend to it so if ur of plot doing random stuff and cant check back on it or forget the layotu wont break

[timid burrow]

So it’s better than the ones i posted for making money?

[floral talon]

apples dont make that muhc they are better if u forget to harvest or something czu they can keep growing longer i love htem cuz they are so lazy dont need to do much with em

[neat vortex]

Yeah, apples are only middling for gold, they just take down your replanting labor significantly and are more proof against long periods away from your garden

[pearl oasis]

Theres multiple factors that make it so that "most profit" doesn't necessarily mean "the best"
Many people here, for example, will choose a layout that has 100% water retain and 100% weed block over a plot that has the maximum theoretical profit, because having to spend less time maintaining the garden means less chances that some factor will delay your harvest- less time spent replanting/watering means more time spent doing other things that can also turn a profit

[floral talon]

apples are also usefull to keep growing if u do apple step in cake partys or if u make buglures

[floral talon]

this is so true all the time and energy not spend gardening could be spend attending maw partys making absurd amounts of money aswell

[pearl oasis]

People don't think about opportunity cost nearly as much as they should IMHO
time spent babysitting a "highest theoretical profit" garden means less time playing the rest of the game/earning money elsewhere

[floral talon]

yey now we only need an air type and we got full avatar of gardening minmaxers

meanwhile i jsut dont wanna play crafer ui simulator XD
or baby sit my garden nonstop i wanna do other things to

[neat vortex]

amen amen

Though sometimes playing "how much can I squeeze out of this?" is fun in its own right, at least for a little while

Just to say you did it. But that's for fun, not for practicality

[floral talon]

that reminds me of bokchoi 100% with fert

OMG what if we -checks notes- do that with beans

[neat vortex]

did you see my hideous bean layout lol

[floral talon]

this is hte one im trying out rn i dont like the harvest times desync
and i havent seen ur hideous layout

[oblique lodge]

hello peopl, i'm back to the game after a long while, what's the curent META for gardening gold making ?
Granny voice Back in MY days, tomatoes were all the rage

[floral talon]

tomatoes were never the meta

[oblique lodge]

long way back they were, long LONG

[floral talon]

BEANS!!!! turn into seeds

[oblique lodge]

what do the seeds sell for ?

[floral talon]

money

[bitter stump]

Is it better to pickle and seed cabbage?

[floral talon]

cabbage is a jar thing

[bitter stump]

Ok, that's what I was thinking

[floral talon]

i really hsould learn how to make a nice insta picture of those things so i can insta forward what ot proces what into

[eternal ruin]

Most of the crops to one degree or another work. The biggest meta point is any of your active efforts like cake party and similar. So really the key meta is how passive/acrive do you want to be with gardening, in which case jar/seed/cook strategies are relevant.

As far as beans go, they take awhile to seed iirc but each seed is like more than the bean, so value almost quadruples and it being a multiharvester means it is a good income multiplier, but brans don't have a mega price tag, so still conparable.

They are used in bean burgers, however, which i think is growing in popularity for cooking parties?

[floral talon]

i still think cake partys are better hten beanburger ones but i m to lazy to do the math

[eternal ruin]

If it is still close it gives variety options at least.

[neat vortex]

It was this terrible fertilizer-heavy kludge in response to a request for a layout for burgers ONLY (onion, tomato, beans, wheat, in a ratio of 2:2:3:1 or as close as possible)

[neat vortex]

90g unstarred, 135g starred (1 seed:1 bean, so they don't stall in the seedmaker)

edit: unstarred beans are worth 23g, starred 34g. So starred beans gain 101g in 2 hours' processing, 50g per crafter slot hour (VERY high, especially since they will run forever without needing any attention whatsoever)

[floral talon]

show it

[neat vortex]

oops lmao forgot to paste link #🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

😮 its so so bad besides foronly that super specific thing

[neat vortex]

Yes

[grim osprey]

Do star quality seeds not always yield star quality vegetables?

[floral talon]

dependson ur lv and quality up buff from other plants/fert

[neat vortex]

Before gardening 25, to get 100% chance of starred crops, you need starred seed + quality boost

After 25, starred seed only is enough
by level 38 gardening, you can plant unstarred seeds and still get all starred stuff back

[pliant rain]

I'm garden level 4 . Early game. I got 9 plots soil. What kinda of farming strategy can I use with less work to get some money rolling. Tons of stuff I need money to unlock

All my skills r around level 6 under

[floral talon]

this thing is afk with quality up buff for low levels it has crops chosen so that u dont need to constantly harvest so its abit more afkish

[pliant rain]

Thank you 😊

[neat vortex]

My rec for early game is the Bullseye - more discussion here

#🌱│gardening message

[pliant rain]

Is full pot 81 seed of same crop bad?

I may have screw up . 9plots but I can't afford 81 seeds

[neat vortex]

It's not bad (exactly), but you give up all the benefits from crops buffing each other, and it's a lot of work to manually weed and water everything every hour

plus no harvest boost bonus yield, which makes a big difference (though you could technically use fertilizer for that)

[pliant rain]

Gotcha

[eternal ruin]

Aye. You will still get a profit, but you can get so much more out with some planning. On plus side though it is still same exp so may as well let it finish.

[grim osprey]

What to turn into seeds and what to turn into preserves for profitability?

[eternal ruin]

cotton, wheat, rice, and beans I think are the main ones that benefit more as seeds, but if you want to double check that, the list of seed ratios is on the left when you use the collector, so you can double check values. Since you can't preserve/eat the first three (without some sort of extra prep minus cotton), you can't preserve them anyways. You can preserve beans, but I think you get more value out of making them into seeds (though canned beans are a good source of focus too).

But don't forget to turn some of your crops into seeds so you can replant.

[neat vortex]

Seeds: bok choy, potatoes, beans; anything that can't be jarred (rice, wheat, cotton)
Jar: everything else

^ Works for most players, some exceptions being:

• those who get a very very high number of bok choy harvests per RL day (may need to jar some of their bok choy)
• those who are very restricted in the number of crafters they can deploy (e.g., many crafter slots taken up with being used as materials storage/as display items)

[earnest raft]

whats the best value for worm farms?

meat?

[zinc geyser]

Have you checked out the Arenvanya's Fertilizer Outcomes v2.8 doc ? It is very useful

[dull wing]

Gardening spots haven't disappeared yet LOL 24 IRL hrs it's been.

oh well lol

just give it some time.

[floral talon]

tilled osils revert bck after 48 and not havign a plant on them

[dull wing]

So 2 real life hours

[floral talon]

no 48 irl hours

[dull wing]

Oh, okay.... I was told 2 irl hrs. That makes sense now.

So go play something else and come back in 2 days.

[floral talon]

or keep growing stuff on those soils till the 48 hours is up after first till

[neat vortex]

Savory forageables under 11g or anything savory at 16g sell value (raw meat other than chapaa) all get 29g or more value added per hour

[earnest raft]

what maschines should i use in general to make the most profit? @neat vortex

[neat vortex]

Depends what you're growing/how you spend your time in game and how many growth ticks you get per RL day, but I use a lot of seed makers, slightly fewer preserves jars, 2 slots reserved for materials crafters (smelter and sawmill or whatever I need out), and the rest glow worm farms as gap fillers

I have a spreadsheet of (I think) every crafter recipe in the game other than worm farm stuff, but it's clunky still and misleading in certain respects

Gold per crafter slot hour and max unattended value added are important, but revenue per tile per growth tick can be more relevant if you can't keep your crafters maximally busy

I am a mostly passive player but get a lot of game time per day, so my garden gets a lot of turnover

someone who hunts or mines constantly may have different priorities

[topaz ermine]

How to place soil?

[dull wing]

I'm trying to work on my gardening to generate passive income. But I don't have preserve jars... Yet. Only Gardening level 8.

[eternal ruin]

profit is profit. jars just give more profit.

and soil is placed like everything else: select it in inventory, click to go into placement mode, then place it on the ground. If you put them next to each other they fuse so you can have plants affect other soil plots or even share spots for bigger plants.

[astral stream]

What should I do with excess apples than just selling them cause I’ve got almost 400 apples

[eternal ruin]

you could seed them, cause you need 10 for another packet of seeds. A couple sweeter recipes use apples you might potentially make some money with depending on inventory, otherwise I presume preserving them and then selling them will net you a bit more.

[astral stream]

Ahh okie yeah just wondered cause all plots are being used rn with apple trees and some others to boost quality and stuff but forgot about preserve so I’ll try that and sell some preserves thanks ☺️

[neat vortex]

If you can't cook with them at a cake party*, jam them, and if you can't jam them, seed them

[topaz ermine]

.

[vast abyss]

buy the plots from Badruu, then put them on a toolbar, click, and it should pop up for you to place

[eternal ruin]

#🌱│gardening message

sorry Dr. Didn't see that until last second.

[topaz ermine]

How to go yo placement mode?

[eternal ruin]

select the soil item on your hotbar and click. Game should automatically do it.

[vast abyss]

so, back after like.. a few months. Are there more crops available in Elderwood besides beans?

[eternal ruin]

pumpkins. You either get them from Tamala or via a quest or two.

[vast abyss]

ty!

[mystic skiff]

When is singularity6 gonna give us more storage so I can stockpile every crop type besides cotton ofc cause cotton bad.

[abstract fulcrum]

Next update

[winged vine]

ok...i'm really going to need to save up and buy more crafting station writs to have several preserve stations going at once lol

really annying when you want to pickle something but the 17 cabages you put in aren't done yet lol

[clear kindle]

i have 8 preserve jars and 2 seeders (why i have two i don't know as i would only ever really need 1)

[winged vine]

i don't use the seeder much but i probably should. Less money spent at Zik's lol

[clear kindle]

i just harvest apples, so i only need to plant apples

[neat vortex]

Even with starred crops it's cheaper to make your seeds than to buy them

[winged vine]

ya, i'm starting to see that now and will try to make my own seeds going forward

[clear kindle]

speaking of, what's new right now to spend gold on. i'm nearing cap (again) and all of my jars are full of apple jam

[neat vortex]

New furniture sets are in Tish's and Underground (and count for crafting accomplishments)

Otherwise nothing new gold sink wise, I think?

2 new cooking recipes from Reth if you don't already have

[clear kindle]

i need gold sink...

[clear kindle]

they do?

[neat vortex]

Yep! I have both of the new furniture accomplishments and I haven't spent a single essence on any of the Elderwood set recipes lol

(they've always counted, though)

[oblique reef]

should i be turning starred crops into star seeds? i dont get what the general flow is to gardening to make it self sustaining

[floral talon]

u make ur own seeds os u dont have to buy them thats always better unles ur power leveling or something whcih i kinda doubt ur doing if u still have questions about gardening XD

[thorn fox]

On the next update according to them

[subtle ocean]

when is this or is it to be determined

[thorn fox]

No exact date provided atm. They said it when they dropped EW update and something about the timeline of updates/patches.

[queen lark]

I have heard pumpkins are the new boy choy for gold making from gardening? any thoughts on that? and I am also waiting to see if @stable ginkgo does a video to compare boy choy, apples and pumpkins. like where does the new pumpkins, and beans plausibly fit into the last chart / program he did?

[floral talon]

no beans are pumpkins are a decoration plant that takes tile space XD (they ar ejust relly bad)

[mint sandal]

Oh, I don't think I bought thise, ima do it rn before I forget

[subtle ocean]

Get ready to have nothing but cosmetic updates for another year before storage update

[stable ginkgo]

oh yeah, pumpkins are not good. I've been meaning to film the video but haven't yet. Thanks for the reminder!

[clear kindle]

storage should be the next update

[queen lark]

tosses holy water at you.noback back i say to thee. LOL

[subtle ocean]

toss it at sing 6 not me 😭

[mystic skiff]

Beans gardens are great but the 2 hour processing means is need to run like 28 seeders. 😭

There has to be a dish that they're great for cooking for, bean burger parties are plentiful but they use up like 3 beans 😐

[neat vortex]

All of the bean recipes are 3 beans per round :( Bean burger is the only one that's actually better than seeding them; all the rest earn less.

405g equivalent of beans (3x 135g seeds) per round, just wild

imo bean burger parties would do well to split up the bean role among a few people, 2-3, and have them rotate with the free roles. Bean patty and burger sauce would probably be easiest.

3 would be ideal, since that way everyone only needs to bring 1 bean per round

[shell patrol]

hey Palians quick question: is the max. number of crop-plots still 9?

[zinc geyser]

Yes, the maximum number of plots is 9.

[shell patrol]

thank you, do we know if the number will be increased? sorry, I'm a returner and missed a few updates

[zinc geyser]

Welcome back to Palia. S6 haven't made any announcements on if or when they plan to increase the garden plots. If they do increase the limit, I'm sure it will be shared in Patch Notes for an update which will be shared in #📢│palia-news

[shell patrol]

Thank you

[dull wing]

Thank you to all who helped me with my garden explaining It's a IRL time wait problem. I got it taken care of, and now no more soil plots are on my land.

[prisma cedar]

I made this for reference if anyone wants it. All items are assumed to be star quality. Seeded value is per crop not per seed. If I made any mistakes please let me know because this is the reference I'm using. Most of the star quality preserves values were taken from the wiki so if anything is high risk for error, it would be the canned pumpkin and beans.

[wheat phoenix]

are you able to trade with people without the request item system? i need blueberries/seeds for a quest but i haven't reached a gardening level where I can purchase them yet

[prisma cedar]

unfortunately not.

[wheat phoenix]

beans, okay ty

guess i'll just shelve that quest till later

[prisma cedar]

friendship level 3 with badruu also can give you the seeds if you're closer to that

[mystic skiff]

Is it possible for tomatoes to give back to back harvest? So I've been in the EW fishing for the last 4-5 hours re world time, I came back after that and harvest all of my crops at like nighttime palia time. Then the next time morning rolled in palia for the garden time, (I hadn't logged out cause I was processing my loot) I got to harvest the tomatoes again.

I thought plants with multiple harvest, only become harvest able once they meet their tick day requirements?

[floral talon]

growhtticks 0600 palian time when u are online one time after tomato harvest times are 4 6 8 10

[mystic skiff]

Fingers cross more ways to procsss wheat and rice in the future. Cause I cannot keep up with seeding them without the machine clogging. 😭

[floral talon]

and this is why i prefer corn over those as a jar can fit way more before stalling

[mystic skiff]

Yeah I started seeing the value in corn in that department. It also jars effeciently fast 🌽

Doing slow processing feels better for me than super high maintenance ones that I need to check up and clear out every few hours.

[mystic skiff]

Why are those bean values so dramatic? 👀 Like apples I understand cause seeds require like 10 seeds, so the value is dramatically cut.

[prisma cedar]

yeah i was looking at the same thing! it's correct though 🤷 wondering if they weren't supposed to be 1:1 or if the value was supposed to be 35 instead of 135?

the canned beans are also great focus food for how fast they process but with how much money the seeds give i'm hard pressed to find a reason why you wouldn't just go that route instead

[mystic skiff]

Wait some People eat them just preserved?

Of 300 is actually pretty great for something you don't need to cook in a party. As most of the party foods are around d 400-500 and more expensive ones are like 750+ altho, u do get 3 of them.

[floral talon]

300 focus nice

[mystic skiff]

I guess it's a good option for people who don't do cooking parties. But I don't mind cooking parties, the social aspect is my cup of tea.

[prisma cedar]

I like cooking parties, my inventory does NOT

but one of my friends doesn't go out of their way to look for parties in game so he uses the canned beans as his main focus food

[floral talon]

i like how efficient cooking partys are

[tropic junco]

So efficient and you level so fast! I sell a ton of my meals and crops too, especially the stared ones. Easy money when inventory gets full

[neat vortex]

Yeah, and for the most part, even if you're cooking some random focus food at a party, as long as you're only covering one ingredient, you're probably (probably) making more money than solo processing tbh

[tropic junco]

For sure! I've found that many higher level players also love to share the wealth

[neat vortex]

I love that this game makes abundance a problem to solve

[burnt yarrow]

Another reason why Gardening is one of my fav skills

[floral talon]

get into farming make a little bit of monee

[woeful heath]

Hello can someone please share a layout to grow all things? I don’t mind watering nor weeding the farm.

[floral talon]

the first one is made by anna the other by me

[neat vortex]

I wish the forwarded message kept the attribution to Tarina. Kind of crummy that it reposts it without credit :(

[floral talon]

yup curse u tarina how dare u make a better layout then me XD

[sudden tundra]

Someone said that planting tomatoes and potatoes would help to retain water, has the whole garden got to be those two veggies to attain this situation or, can you plant here and there? Please help or I will have to beg for sprinklers again😆

[floral talon]

take the layouts aboove as an example they are fully water retain

plants gtiv e buffs directly adjacent no on themselves not diagonal and not same crop

[sudden tundra]

I seeee, thank you. Can you tell me do I have to plant all of both of those veggies?

[sudden tundra]

Gotcha, you answered my question, thank you kindly.

[prisma vale]

Just some bonusinfo. A tomato won't give water retention to another tomato. You need a separate water retention plant for that (same goes for other plant buffs)

[sudden tundra]

tyty!

That makes complete sense, I wish I had caught that🙄

[prisma vale]

If/when you use the Sim on your own, it's also worth knowing to get the effect, you will need to cover the equivalent of 1 side to get the buff. And not in the corner, the sides. So for tomatoes, a potato next to is fine. A 2x2 crop like blueberries, you need at least 2 potatoes touching it. Apples, well... yeah, at least 3 potatoes touching it xD

[sudden tundra]

I am so glad that there are peeps like you on here that know this type of stuff, seriously.

[prisma vale]

I learned through trial, error and a few brainfart moments

So if I can save someone from making the same mistakes because this stuff isn't told to you directly in-game, I will.

[floral talon]

i first spend an entire day playing layout making hte puzzlegame before i went to palia and by that i mean i used the garden planner as a fun puzzle game and came up with design ruiles to mnake good layouts

[sudden tundra]

Well thank you both for helping us out, it means a lot for those that just don't get it.

[floral talon]

yeay its probably not for everyone

[sudden tundra]

No, it's not. Most games that have a lot of players in it you find people who know what they are doing and those like me that don't on gardening, so glad y'all are good at that. I have a couple of friends that breed dinos for stats and colors and I just don't have the patience for that but, he does.

[floral talon]

we all got our roles to play in life puzzlign things out and helping others happens to be mine XD (and obsessing about optimising stuff in an economical fashion)

[woeful heath]

Wooooooah does it give that all resources? What does it mean when u say days of harvest 180d? I don’t know how to read the layout info 😭😂

[floral talon]

idk either man it used to give dialy average if everything got processed

[woeful heath]

I will test yours. 🫡 tysm

[floral talon]

im doing my part 🫡

[stray portal]

Dear Palia. I hate weeds, especially the ones that go AROUND the tree trunk cause that feels malicious. That is all.

[clear kindle]

that is why i like weed block crops

[floral talon]

this is why i refuse to use anything thats not max one corptype for just plowing through it and be done with a crop or full afk

[somber hollow]

Do different fertilizers stack?

[neat vortex]

No, one fertilizer type per plant. If you put another type down, the existing fertilizer on that crop is returned to you

Multiple buffs per plant is only achievable with companion planting (or companion planting + fertilizer)

[fringe owl]

how much fertilizer should I add per crop?

[neat vortex]

crops will consume 1 unit of fertilizer for every tile they sit on every growth tick, so I recommend at minimum adding enough to cover the plant's entire growth cycle. That way you don't have to worry about adding more until it's time to replant.

(except for with apples, which can only hold enough to cover 11 growth ticks, lol)

[fringe owl]

ah so lets say for tomatoes I want to add weed block, how many should I add? ty btw

[neat vortex]

4 will get you to the first harvest, but since they can keep growing past that if you're not home but online, I recommend 10 for tomatoes, or a multiple of 10

[fringe owl]

okay got it thanks!

[marsh furnace]

Is there an issue with apple trees atm? Never had problems but for the past 2 days, two of my trees won't produce apples, while the 3rd one has.

[floral talon]

keep it watered keep it weeded dont have 9 or more weeds on other stuff due to the knapweed timetravel bug
keep it harvested so it can keep growing
growthticks till harvest 12 6 6 6 or 12 18 24 30

[marsh furnace]

Thank you, will try! I always keep it weeded and watered. Which is why I found it strange that it's been two irl days, when I usually get harvest every day.

[floral talon]

Growthticks are paliantime 0600 when online and one time after

[marsh furnace]

It's been two irl days, and when I am online, multiple ingame days go by. I usually have a steady flow of apples for making jams, so I found it weird. I haven't experienced this before but if it continues then I'll submit a bug report.

This starting lines up with me redoing my plot recently, and moved my farm around and since then, this started. I'm thinking I probably bugged my trees somehow, but I'll give it more time.

[floral talon]

Dont know when u plant stuff but the 12h and 6h gaps could be the issue do check if its still watered and weeded if harvestable and a growthtick goes by it unwaters itself (its probs just hte really long waittime XD)

[abstract bluff]

I don't know if there's a connection, but for the past few days, I've had the feeling that the fertilization hasn't been working. Normally, after each harvest cycle, I have at least a few fields that are out of fertilizer and I need to add more. However, for the past few days, I haven't had to fertilize a single field. And if no more fertilizer is being used, perhaps the fertilizer itself is no longer of any use, which could also affect the growth rate, for example.

[floral talon]

u either have a plant giving the same buff as the fertiliesr or the famous knapweed timetravel bug
if on all ur soils combined u got 9 knapweed nothing will grow (technically it grows but it will ungrow itself ...)

[hollow umbra]

Had a weird bug yesterday where all my tomatoes were harvestable twice. They didn’t turn back to green until I harvested each one two times. Has anyone else had that? None of my other crops were like that so I don’t think it was due to lag

[floral talon]

stonks teach me ur ways

[hollow umbra]

You’ll have to ask Badruu, it’s deep magic 😝

[abstract bluff]

I didn't count the knapweed, because I didn't even know about the 9. Thanks for the tip. By the way, I don't have the problem that nothing is growing anymore. I was just wondering why I suddenly don't have to fertilize anymore. Something has definitely changed there. However, I haven't changed anything about my crops. I plant potatoes and cabbage alternately to ensure good irrigation, and I also plant some rice for a higher yield.

[floral talon]

free fertiliser yey

[amber sapphire]

A couple gardening questions

1. I am getting the same amount of xp with 40% focus vs 100% when harvesting tomatoes. It was +12xp in gardening across the board for harvesting tomatoes. I thought having more focus means more xp?,
2. Also what is the point of the seed machine where you put in crops to produce seeds? I put in 21 tomatoes last night and only got back 14 seeds. Even when accounting for tomatoes having multiple harvests I think I haven't run the numbers but I think im getting the short end of the stick here.

Ty!

[floral talon]

idk maybe the popup glitched
seed machine to make ur own seeds its always profit tomatoes are better of jarred (aside from reseeding)

[hollow umbra]

I’m pretty sure that XP doesn’t gain with focus amount, but that if your focus is 0 you get base XP and if your focus is >0 you get focus boosted XP

[hoary terrace]

I've done a bit of crops management, does someone could give me feedback on it ? :D

(I Had two priorities : Simetry and "A bit of everything")

[floral talon]

Low on the hb waterretain and weedblock buffs but then again ur going for quality up i assume lower level
And do u really need that many peppers and pumpkins?

[hoary terrace]

As simetry is a thing for me, you cannot be simmetrical with 2x2 crops in a 9x9 field, so I need two of each sadly

[floral talon]

Hangon lemme disprove that xd

[hoary terrace]

Vertical simmetry*, my bad I should have specified !

[floral talon]

Not my layout btw

Ok lemme grab the other everything munus cotton symetrical xd

[hoary terrace]

Not simmetrical !

But i've a question, is that so OP to have crops with water retains and weed protection ? You loose a lot by not improving the crops quality no ?

[neat vortex]

This happens when you are online but not at home for enough growth ticks, lol! It's pretty weird, but kind of nice for multi-harvest plants. (Less nice is that it also results in single-harvest plants consuming extra fertilizer)

[neat vortex]

I documented the behavior here: #🌱│gardening message

And it's pretty consistent. I even got a double apple harvest once.

[neat vortex]

Past gardening level 10 or so, harvest boost gives greater benefit (revenue-wise) than quality up, and your base star chance continues to increase as you level. By level 25, starred seeds alone are enough to guarantee starred crops; by level 38 or so, you get all starred produce even with unstarred seeds. So for most players, quality buffs don't do much.

Meanwhile, the water & weed buffs help make sure you benefit from all your growth ticks when you are online. Less prone to error and to "dunwanna" XD

(i.e. looking at your thirsty garden full of weeds and going "but I dunwanna [don't want to]")

[fringe owl]

can you only buy weed block fertilizers?

[hollow umbra]

Thank you! It was great to read through your notes I did spend a long time in Bahari yesterday without leaving

[clear kindle]

worm block fertilizers?

[fringe owl]

oops I meant weed block 🤣 sorry

[clear kindle]

ah, and yes, weed and water retain can only be bought, but crops can also give those buffs as well, so you don't have to really buy it depending on your layout

[fringe owl]

ty!

[green lion]

My daily thoughts as I harvest my pumpkins….i want to be able to have 9 soils per plot or like another 3 soil patches. Thank you for coming to my ted talk lol

[tight zenith]

can pumkins not be star quality? been trying to get them.

[floral talon]

they can

[hoary terrace]

Is there a way to uproot the crops ?

[floral talon]

rclick with hoe

[hoary terrace]

Seems so easy to find it that I didn't.......

[floral talon]

nah this is super not obvious

[neat vortex]

It's probably asked at least twice a day somewhere in this server! I agree with DS that it's not the most obvious thing, much like X to cancel climbing lol

[mint sandal]

You definetely can, I'm all about symmetrical gardens for myself
But I have only 1 of each bush and 1 tree, that's enough for me
#🌱│gardening message

[prisma cedar]

I went in and updated my table from the other day to account for processing time and that explains why bean seeds have such a high raw value - they take 2 hrs to process...

if there is another resource for this that I'm unaware of dw about it I enjoy doing this stuff lol

[neat vortex]

Yep, they add 101g to the starred bean value over 2 hours. 50g value added per hour is also quite high! but the throughput is, indeed, slow. (That is advantageous for folks who have much less game time than they do idle time, though, since for them it's best to squeeze as much additional processing value as they can out of each crop.)

If you have limited crafter slot hours, though (usually a problem with either limited crafter slots available for the garden or in general, such as when using crafters for storage) and it would leave other crops unprocessed, then it makes more sense to swap to preserves, probably.

Some value added is better than none

I do tend to stick with value added, though, and not total sell value, when comparing processes. Dividing the total sell value up by the processing time has never made much sense to me, because the raw crop value is available immediately by just dumping your crops in the bin. You don't have to wait to access it.

It's a bit tough, though, since the real-world time it takes for your crops to grow depends on your playtime, so whether you're producing too fast (or too slow!) for your crafters will change a lot of the math. So, any "gold per tile per tick" type calculation will always obscure that somewhat.

And, likewise, gold per crafter slot hour assumes you can keep the crafters running continually, which I doubt most players can

[floral talon]

i till need to max a afk insync harvest times beans layout sigh

[hoary terrace]

I liked a lot what you have done, i've tweaked it a bit to be more "diverse" about what i've in my garden and... Sneaked in just one cotton in the center just to say "I've everything in my garden :p"

[mint sandal]

Yeah, I keep more bokchoy cause it's more money down the line. Also I did have a variant with 2 cotton plants that doesn't make you lose out on the 100% weedblock shown in that comment I linked you

But if you want just one I'd recommend replacing the 1 rice in bottom middle plot

[hoary terrace]

Ahhh yeah I saw a bit too fast, but it's more or less the same down the line, you have two and i've one

[hoary terrace]

Ahaha 3 gold per tick won yes

[mint sandal]

Yeah, but yours require the use of weedblock fert

[hoary terrace]

true true

[mint sandal]

It's way more than that, cause I sell the bok choy seeds instead of straight bokchoy

[floral talon]

tbf the odds of getting weeds on only 2 specific one tile plants before u have to harvest and reseed something is very low so u can ignore weedblock if its only a few

[hoary terrace]

I'm not running that much for money, because I suppose that later on money doesn't matter that much I think ? (don't know i'm only level 13 farming)

[floral talon]

nah u alaways need money but keep em growing helps the most gardening wise no matter what else u do gardening free cash on the side

[hoary terrace]

Oh why Do I need that much money ?

[mint sandal]

I keep mine 100% cause I don't always tend to my garden when playing, so if weeds do spawn I won't notice and it's gonna derail my replanting

[mint sandal]

Buying recipes untill you have them all, then it's all the house and decor stuff

And zeki coins. So many zeki coins

[floral talon]

crafting licences receipes black market items lucky coins blueprints cheapo resrouces from sifuu furniture dye so much money needed

[hoary terrace]

You can buy them ?

[mint sandal]

In black market, it's 10k a pop

[hoary terrace]

Ok it all make sense then

[floral talon]

i finished crafting slots plots recipes now wokring on getting blueprints while being to busy to grind money so only gardening it is

[hoary terrace]

I'm a farm boy so i'm always out burning out all what nature has to offer so i'm always doing a tone of money (from my pov) so i felt like doing money was not so hard

[floral talon]

its not that hard u just need SOOO much of it

[hoary terrace]

But yeah, when you farm every blueprint, money must be a thing

[mint sandal]

All the yardwork stuff tou can buy in Kenli's office get expensive too

[floral talon]

omg i forgot that exists

[hoary terrace]

Ah yeah I saw that yesterday

[floral talon]

and all the wallpapers floors roofs etc im not even counting maji market items ...

[hoary terrace]

I'm still in the story so i'm not focusing much on my house yet, I keep that for let game

I'm doing plan bit by bit to do the setup of the house so it's like a "long work in progress" my yard currently

So this is my final form, thank you all for your help

[prisma cedar]

I'm brainstorming a afk pumpkin farm that's more efficient than the afk apples one just because that gold/min value for pumpkins piqued my interest

[floral talon]

pmupkins are horrendous gold per growthtick even when processed

[prisma cedar]

they're so bad yeah 😂

BUT if you plant 8 plots of pumpkins...

it will still be terrible value... STONKS

[dull wing]

What do you all do to pass time while waiting for crops to grow?

[floral talon]

i log in to palia to collect my crops nad replant when i have time so whatever random thing i gotto do work chores socialobligationsgrr

[prisma cedar]

currently it's hunting sernuks to extinction and/or playing hotpot

[dull wing]

What is the best type of arrows to defeat the sernuks?

I got Fine arrows that's all atm.

[floral talon]

tier one everything but makeshift grab ur cheapest arrows perfect to get rid of excessive copper or slowdown ones tier 2 slowdown or iron tier 3 dispel all the way if stogether maybe one can shoot a lsowdown

[dull wing]

Okay i don't have slowdown or dispel yet.

[prisma cedar]

slowdown doesnt 1 shot the t1 sernuks, so i prefer not to use those anyway. dispel are only necessary for the t3

[floral talon]

yes it does or did they nerf its damage

[prisma cedar]

they must have nerfed it cause i just spent 2 hrs hunting and the only thing it was 1-shotting was the t1 chapaas

[prisma cedar]

crazy? I was crazy once. They put me in a rubber garden, a rubber garden with pumpkins. And pumpkins make me crazy...

[frail jasper]

I don't understand how Squishy came up with these numbers. They claim in this video that you can yeild ~700 pumpkins in a 30 day cycle.....
https://youtu.be/OsMAcQa4GGU?t=165

I'm still pretty new but I can't get this to work in the garden planner...

I suppose it's based on the official wiki saying you get 8-12 pumpkins. But it's unclear if the wiki means 8-12 per growth tick. Which would line up with Squishy's video... but in my experience I'm only getting 3-5 per tick including harvest boost.

Is anyone here getting numbers like this?
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Rockhopper_Pumpkin

[prisma cedar]

I'm getting maybe 12 TOTAL from a seed but per tick my numbers match yours

[frail jasper]

It seems the video misinterpreted the wiki's statement of 8-12 as per tick. It seems to be per seed as you said @prisma cedar

Unless there's some insane multiplyer from REALLY stacking on the harvest boost.

[clear kindle]

and there's not

[prisma cedar]

well it's not that. harvest boost from fertilizer gets +20% chance to increase the harvest by 50%. the only thing stacking it does is increase the chance to max of 100%

[oblique girder]

Canned tomatoes only. Fastest yield. Produces harvest boost fertilizer. Forget everything else if going for money only

[frail jasper]

garden planner link? also, harvesting tomatoes produces fertilizer?

[frail jasper]

how often do you have to apply harvest boost? especially with plants that have long initial growth periods... do you keep adding fertilizer every day?

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[clear kindle]

to make sure you get the full effect, needs to be applied at every growth tic (6am in game) you can stack the same fert up to 99 so you don't have to run back every so often to make sure the crops have it

[frail jasper]

Oh, does the fertilizer stack on the garden cell instead of the plant??

[clear kindle]

yes, but depending on the size of the plant will determine how much fert is used per tic. 1x1 takes 1, 2x2 takes 4, and apples (3x3) take 9

[tropic remnant]

What's the best fertilizer to put on all crops

[true dune]

Came up with this layout where you can plant all seeds and get 100% harvest boost and 100% water retain. Just wanted to share if it interests anyone. Thank you.

[neat vortex]

It seems to me like the wiki is just wrong 🤔 Aren't pumpkins 9+2+2+2, 2 pumpkins per harvest, or 3 with harvest boost?

[fleet copper]

I’m going to use this! Looks very clean by the way

Thank you

[neat vortex]

I fixed the wiki page, lol, that was really bugging me

[true dune]

Thank you for fixing it. This confused me.

[true dune]

Yeah, that video made me scratch my head. You get 192 pumpkins with 16 boosted pumpkin seeds over a full harvest cycle. To get 768 pumpkins, you actually need to plant 64 seeds over 4 complete cycles.

[brazen kiln]

What is the best crop to harvest, simply going on the xp I get from it I'm trying to level up lol

[neat vortex]

I could be wrong, but I believe it's not a flat 20% (though that's the number from the usual example given [i.e., potatoes]), but instead a stacking proc chance such that if HB is on the crop for every growth tick before harvest, the chance of the boosted yield adds up to 100%.

So for potatoes it's +20% chance each growth tick (because 5 growth ticks to harvest), but with bok choy it's +33.3% chance each growth tick (because 3 growth ticks to harvest).

[errant thunder]

OK farming Layout genius' how do I modify this layout by replacing Aplles (which I can't get yet) with Pumpkins (That I have just acquired) The farming layout app I can access doesn't have pumpkins on to try play around with

[neat vortex]

All crops give 4 base XP per tile per growth tick (divided by number of harvests). The only difference is how long they take to be harvestable.

[neat vortex]

Can you share the garden planner link, if you have it available? Use the Save Layout button.

[exotic dust]

where/how does one make those layouts :o ?

[neat vortex]

palia-garden-planner.vercel.app, linked in pins

[exotic dust]

thank you !

[errant thunder]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TWBkPRCCoTP-TWSpPCrSpBBA-SpTCrSpPRAAO-RCrWPAACbAA-BBAACo.HpAABB-AACbAAPWCrR-OAARPSpCrTSp-ABBSpCrPSpWT-PTCoCRPBkWT

[neat vortex]

Personally, if you aren't already planting this layout, I wouldn't try to modify it, but instead use a layout that accommodates bushes/4x4 crops only

I assume you are just trying to plant the pumpkins for the accomplishments (gardening/cooking)?

Do you also want to grow blueberries, peppers, and cotton? how about beans?

Tell me more about your objectives and I'll see what I can scrounge up :)

[errant thunder]

As much variety as possible (for more cooking options) would be good with a decent gold income if possible. Only been playing a few days and still trying to get to grips with it all so any help very much appreciated.

[neat vortex]

Hmm lessee - there are definitely tradeoffs for variety vs. revenue, since some crops (blueberries, peppers, pumpkins, and cabbage) are purely utitlity crops for cooking.

[errant thunder]

I have no idea what the preferred food is, and what ingredients would be needed for that dish. Would rather have the money and be able to make 1 decent food stuff I think at this point.

Need to buy lots of recepies 😔

[neat vortex]

For beginners, you can use tomatoes for Hearty Vegetable Soup (the starter soup), or onions for Palian Onion Soup (found item quest in Kilima, no need to buy anything)

Once you start needing larger focus amounts (after upgrading your focus bonus % some) and can increase your focus capacity to at least 340, then steak dinner is a very good option that unlocks at at cooking level 4. The only garden item that requires is wheat :D

Otherwise, if you want to get into for-profit cooking parties (which typically require starred produce), I would recommend: onions, rice, tomatoes, and wheat; maaaybe corn and peppers.

(Also, the garden planner totally does have pumpkins! You just need to scroll to the right a bit)

[prisma cedar]

Oops I misspoke earlier. Yep that's my understanding of it

[neat vortex]

Here, give this 4 bush "everything but apples* cooking garden" a look and tell me what you think: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HOBk.HPT.HPBk.HOR-OCbTBtBtCBtBtO-W.HBkT.HPO.HPT.HBkW.H-O.HPmPmT.HPmPmPBk.HO.H-CrOT.HPBk.HPT.HOCr-O.HBk.HPSST.HSSO.H-W.HBkT.HPO.HPT.HBkW.H-OBBCBBTCbO-ROBk.HPT.HPBk.HOR.H_L9

* doesn't have cotton either, but I don't recommend growing cotton if you only need it for fabric (cheaper to grow cash crops and buy fabric)

(I'm currently using a version of this on my alt)

If you don't have blueberries or peppers yet, then the pepper and blueberry bushes can be beans instead.

The fertilizer is optional, but helpful for revenue if you have access to worm/glow worm farms.

If you want to make this a purely gold-focused layout, once you're all stocked up for cooking/accomplishments...

• all 4 bushes become bean plants
• carrots become bok choy
• (alternatively, switch onions and bok choy entirely, and make the carrots into onions instead)
• switch cabbages to potatoes
• switch corn and wheat to rice

Once you get apples, the two outside soil plots plots on the middle row can easily become apple trees with no other changes.

[viral yoke]

Are there potatos by any chance?

Oh there is, neat

[hoary terrace]

Hello, someone can explain to me how work fertilizer ? Because when I put some on a crops it disappear after a while even though the crops is not fully grown yet ?

Should I put again on it some more ? Or does it still affect the crops ?

[raw thistle]

It lasts 1 sun cycle, so to have it continuously on it, you need to put more than just 1 fertiliser at a time
If you put 1 on an apple tree then it will be 9 days as it will use 9 fertiliser because of the size of the tree

[hoary terrace]

Ohhh ok, oof, fertilizer will go down very quickly then !

[raw thistle]

Yes but if you have a couple of worm farms constantly going, you'll be back up in no time

[supple stone]

I've noticed that any crops that extend over the edge a 3x3 plot sometimes glitch out and appear out of place graphically, popping back when you interact with them somehow
Graphical glitches don't really bother me, but I've noticed they also seem to lose their fertiliser when this happens...so other than ensuring crops don't extend across 2 3x3 plots, is there any other way of preventing this?
Didn't realise it was a thing so lost a few hundred fertiliser haha (only water-retaining, so cheap to replace, but still)

[floral talon]

Those are seperate bugs though

[supple stone]

Are they? Just noticed that it seems to happen at the same time, so perhaps assumed too early
Is there a way to minimise the fertiliser disappearing then? If they're separate bugs

[floral talon]

Fert disappears by usage and when u put way to much on cuz if some saving bug memory out of bounds so not max fill an entire soil
Fert can also become invisible in some other cases but is not gone

[supple stone]

What's way too much? Does 40-50 on a 2x2 crop count as too much?
But it definitely disappeared rather than being invisible, as it was hydro fert and I needed to water the crop

[floral talon]

Idk when its to much but its a bug for sure

[neat vortex]

Please submit a bug report with as much detail as you can include, especially if you can consistently replicate the issue! This bug has happened to several people, but hasn't been fully identified yet afaik, so S6 can probably use more information

!feedback let's see if this is the right command...

[compact coral]

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[neat vortex]

Yep, last link

[supple stone]

I'll have to see how to replicate it first then I guess, but it has happened both when I've been in-game returning to plot and relogging

[neat vortex]

Maybe submit what you have for now and if it occurs again, add on to your report?

[floral talon]

classic memeory out of bounds or saving issue same casue as knapweed timetravel sigh
9/10 that the bug of missing fert happens after leaving plot and coming back /logging out relogging after a growthtick

[floral talon]

need max beans layout

[supple stone]

Beans are ridiculously hard to process in time, what do you mean by max beans layout? Like, max profit or max number of beans?
Because max profit is actually only using a few bean plants I believe

[floral talon]

i wanna tryhard beans assume i get few growhtticks in a day most days

[supple stone]

I haven't optimised it yet in terms of numbers of crafters and whatnot, but this is my current layout. Not a 3x3 grid though haha
Not even put on the crafters for the 2nd pic yet...

The pumpkins and spicy peppers are there more for recipes than anything else, you could fit in more Beans...

[floral talon]

interesting

this is my proof of concept

used to have the center beans blueberrys but that makes the harvest times so awkward

idk this may be alot of money but i think i just miss my super lazy apple layout

[signal kelp]

how do fertilizers work? i sometimes see the fertilizer be depleted before I harvest the plant

[floral talon]

at growhttick if the plant doesnt get the fferts buff from a nearvy plant and it grows it pulls form it
larger plants consume more at once thougyh

[signal kelp]

omg i think i get it now umm feels like it is more worth it to sell the fertilizer

[floral talon]

can be the case

[strange wasp]

Anyone got tips on best crop to focus on early game?

[prisma cedar]

i love this and i adapted it into a pumpkin farm but since pumpkins need the harvest boost to be viable, it is no longer afk :(

[floral talon]

i hope u like watering XD

[prisma cedar]

srsly these pumpkins are going to be the death of me

[floral talon]

why u need so many

[prisma cedar]

im just running numbers cause im bored

i dont need them at all lol

the question of if pumpkins are viable scratched my autism in just the right way and i have been hyperfixating on them for the past day and a half

[floral talon]

could put blueberrys on the center L to get harvy buff on em

[floral talon]

well do tell what u come up with keep in mind to encalc cooking use to

[floral talon]

can also be beans but blueberrys line up better wiht pumpkins harvest time

[prisma cedar]

My main question was if pumpkins could outpace apples for preserves since their processing time is so low. so the numbers i have come up with so far seem to show mixed results. they dont begin to yield enough to overtake the 4 apple afk farm until 12 plots with full harvest boost. however the low turnover time is a significant plus... other crops fit in better with afk farms though because pumpkins dont have a worthwhile buff. Haven't even started looking at cooking recipes.

beans seem great on paper too but 2 hrs to make 1 seed is rough. the canned beans do seem pretty good value

[floral talon]

Pumpkins got such a low production i think selling unprocessed stuff is still better but i didnt do the math xd

[neat vortex]

It will stack up to 99 on each plant, thankfully

If your layout doesn't have 100 percent harvest boost, using the fertilizer to buff plants that need it is basically always more gold return in the end than selling the fertilizer directly. (QualityUp gold benefits drop off sharply past level 10 or so, though)

[neat vortex]

re: cooking: Pumpkins do not contribute to the dish sell value formula (they count as if they had a sell value of 0g), so they are essentially useless for cooking profits

[supple stone]

Looks good!
I believe you could process all those Batterbeans into seeds if you had 30 seed collectors and got 10 or less growth ticks per day on average
Which would net you 48k gold per irl day for 10 growth ticks by my maths
That's if you want 30 seed collectors, mind

[neat vortex]

Yeah, beans' ideal application seems to be folks who get their playtime in bursts and then have big stretches of idle time

[supple stone]

Yeah, for sure

I also wouldn't really want to be using 30 seed collectors too, as I'd rather a machine just be there in case I need it, rather than have to get it out of storage first

[neat vortex]

meanwhile I hate having idle crafters sitting there hogging a license without earning their keep XD

keep em busy or get em gone! I've got mushrooms that need worming XD

[supple stone]

hahaha, I get it

[neat vortex]

(I do keep two slots swappable for whatever materials crafting needs doing)

[supple stone]

At least it's something!

[cobalt knoll]

Anyone have a layout for all produce with water, weed, & harvest boost maxed?

[floral talon]

1 or 2 apples?

[cobalt knoll]

I prefer 1, but I don't mind having options.

[floral talon]

The first one aint mine its anna tarinas

[cobalt knoll]

tysm

[floral talon]

Your very welcome u were so specific nice

[mystic skiff]

I've been using this layout for the last week. It's pretty nice to have cooking ingredients on the ready.

[floral talon]

yeay anna did a gj though i wonder why u would want pumpkins in ur layout since they have such little use XD but i guess most poeple wont need it its still nice for it to be available in a layout i also got some with only one 2x2 quality up

[mystic skiff]

1. They're cute.
2. The pumpkin curry gives me fat focus. And I joined 2 parties that made 300 of them 🤣 when I get to more of them I'll swap them with beans or berries.
3. They're adorable.

Beans and bokchoy made fat bucks. But I had trouble processing them as even with cooking parties, production outpaced processing. Which was a major headache.

[floral talon]

yeya its a real shame pumpkins do quality up and arent more usefull i mean comeon they are massive orange orbs whats not to love

[neat vortex]

"It makes me happy to have them in my garden" is an excellent reason tbh. It's half the reason I grow apples (and the other half is "they don't ask much of me" lol)

But apples also get about double what pumpkins do... 😂

[floral talon]

ren id didnt make it to a 200x maws pokebowl party 😦

rip no 1.8m cash

[mystic skiff]

I like apple trees when they're laid out across. It looks really cute like an orchard. But apples in a 9x9 grid are so ugly to me. Like they block light and makes seeing the smaller plants a nightmare.

[mystic skiff]

I didn't make it to that. 😭

But I made it to a fish stew party thanks to my rice, I made 500k. I bought so many rugs server hopping from that.

[floral talon]

yeay i would onyl need to attend 3 of those to make stonk forever

[neat vortex]

It's true, but I do run my weird linear layout lol

[floral talon]

yes htey are so hard to see due to camera angle

[mystic skiff]

Yeah the camera is awkward around them, so I almost always have them in a linear set up when I need lots of apples.

I wish that we had a dwarf variety in game that wasn't so tall. Like maybe a 2x2 version that only gets as tall as the avatar.

[desert sierra]

T = tomato
P = potato
B = 2x2 crop of choice
O = other crops of choice
3X3 FARM SOIL GRID
.
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OTOOTOOTO
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OPBBPBBPO
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Would this not be max efficiency?

[floral talon]

cna u repeat that using https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[pure basin]

New setup today.

[desert sierra]

The outside crops on left and right can be substituted a bit

0.0

How does yours get so much more?

Without even using fertilizer too

[floral talon]

nr of days differs

[desert sierra]

So technically mine would bring in more money per day, but... because of the fertilizer, it probably would cost more to set up

[floral talon]

its hard to tell cuz we dont know the moneys after processing

[desert sierra]

Oh, I thought that's what the total was on the left

[floral talon]

thast just growhttickmoney x amount of selected days

[neat vortex]

Yeah, gold per growth tick is more informative for comparisons, though if you use the wrong number of days it can cut off some harvests and underestimate your revenue

[desert sierra]

Couldn't you place the rice where the potato is and place a tomato where the rice was so that the peppers got another bonus?
While keeping the watering of course

[neat vortex]

Which is why I always recommend using 180 (the least common multiple of all of the crops, so it works for every layout)

[pure basin]

Hmm.. Lemme play around with it. Overall I want to keep water retention. I think I see what you're saying.

[neat vortex]

Hm, would that un-boost the beans, then?

[pure basin]

Oh mayhaps

[desert sierra]

Aren't peppers a quality booster?

[neat vortex]

The peppers already have both boosts available since this layout has no weedblock

[pure basin]

Bah, honestly I don't care enough to play around with it xD

[neat vortex]

(you can only get a max of 2 buffs on a corner crop anyway, without using fertilizer)

[pure basin]

Oh, I do have a question there. If I put harvest booster fertilizer on an already harvest boosted crop due to layout, does it double the harvest boost or is it a waste? I have a ton of harvest boost from worm farming.

[neat vortex]

It does not double the buff; the fertilizer will sit in the soil and not be consumed.

But it will come back out if you need it somewhere else, if you put another fertilizer type down on that tile/plant

[pure basin]

Good to know~.. I should probably just invest in weed prevention then

Though I do like having rice for sashimi

[neat vortex]

Yeah, rice is good for gold either way you use it

(sashimi, sushi, or solo processed into seeds)

[pure basin]

Ohh.. I also need wheat for steak dinners.. goodness me

[neat vortex]

tbh I don't think that going for quality boost with companion planting is worth it

[desert sierra]

@pure basin you had it right, the way I was suggesting would get rid of the water retention of the peppers

[neat vortex]

The crops that give it are not good for money, and even cotton produces less fabric per tile per tick than the cash crops do

[pure basin]

Ah, appreciate the check!

[desert sierra]

I thought only 1 crop was needed to boost the 2x2

[neat vortex]

Alas, 2, which is what makes bushes so dang infurating lol

[desert sierra]

XD, I see why

[neat vortex]

They like to create isolated corners and peninsulas

So maybe you buff the bushes but then everything else goes right to heck

[pure basin]

why is gardening, like, the hardest part in the game
I'm kidding but also not lol

[desert sierra]

Wait... so my suggested max bonus 2x2 farm is pretty good for farming the 2x2 crops then.

@pure basin
We all came here for the rocket science

Everybody wants to be the one with the perfect garden

I feel like mine is pretty good considering how many bonuses you get for how interchangeable it is.

[pure basin]

Well, I think my garden suffices for what I want to use it for, until I get to Gardening 10 that is. Then I'll account for apples and adjust.

[slow flame]

Harvesting is supposed to give seeds back, right? Or did I misunderstand what I read.

[floral talon]

nah it gives produce and sometimes an unstarred bonus seed
u can use seedcollector on the produce

[slow flame]

Dang. Ok. Thanks for the heads up.

[floral talon]

your welcome

[echo frigate]

Hi team, what's the best crop layout for a newbie? Don't have much gold or fertilisers (no equipment) so trying to get the best out of that, please and thank you :)

[neat vortex]

Welcome! How many soil plots do you have?

[echo frigate]

Thank you! I have 5 plots

[floral talon]

mh since they moved the seedmaker to lv5 super early plots hsould be something to consider just pure output withotu processing