🌱│gardening

[toxic wraith]

are you THE Ren from Palia Player Support?

[floral talon]

doubt he is (unles ren has been secretly working for palia and never told me)

[toxic wraith]

Ah ok XD

Just wanted to thank them

[restive yoke]

@floral talon Confirmed that's it's 2x2

[civic ether]

What is the green bug on my screen when I use my watering can???

[neat vortex]

Despite playing this game like it's a salaried job, I have never been employed by S6. XD I'm glad you had a good experience, though!

[neat vortex]

See here: #1371900121972867143 message

We could probably check if their seed recipe is still on the seed collectors, actually 🤔

[last pendant]

anyone knows how much time the beans take to grow?

[mint sandal]

#🌱│gardening message

[mint sandal]

I tried looking it up and, if Paliapedia is accurate, pumpkins would be quality boost

[wispy cloud]

If anyone makes a new garden spread with the new seeds would you post it here? 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

[clear kindle]

more than likely they will in the next few days... but if what was just posted that the beans are harvest boost and the pumpkins are quality... then it's probably going to be hard to get them into a layout

[neat vortex]

Eh, the beans will sub in for blueberries and the pumpkins (which ARE quality boost per the recipe on the seedmaker) will sub in for peppers no problem. Lemme grab my everything layout...

[clear kindle]

yeah, but once you've reached level 15-25, quality boost is useless pretty much so unless the pumpkins are either the new meta for gold either seed, preserve or cooking they're not really all that great in the long run

[wispy cloud]

I am re-doing my whole garden anyways because it makes too much starter veggies and I don’t have enough non starred that gets produced 💀

[clear kindle]

depending on you level you won't get regular quality crops. after level 25 you will always get star crops from star seeds, after level 38 you will get star crops regardless of what type of seeds you use

[mint sandal]

I actually just made myself one with those info
@wispy cloud
(Probably not the most optimal but I like my layouts symmetrical so idc lol)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HTPBkO.HBkTPR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PTR.HBkO.HBkRPT-B.HB.HTB.HB.HBkBkCbR-PCPCBk.HCCrPCr-TB.HB.HBkB.HB.HRCbBk-O.HTRS.HS.HBkS.HS.HT.H-WCbWCBkCPR.HP-RTO.HBkS.HS.HT.HS.HS.H_D360NrcL60

[wispy cloud]

OHHHHHH well that makes sense

[mint sandal]

That's the wrong link

[wispy cloud]

Doing the lords work thank you

[mint sandal]

Wait no it's the right one. I need sleep lol

[stable ginkgo]

So glad we finally get to do more research again!! Let the data begin!

[clear kindle]

looking forward to your findings

[neat vortex]

New crops!

Rockhopper Pumpkins

• 2x2, grants Quality Boost (footprint/buff identical to Spicy Peppers)
• Seeds initially obtained from Tamala's potion shop after "progressing the main story quest" (per patch notes); then seeds can be crafted in seed makers
• Multiharvest: 9 days to initial harvest, then ?? days to subsequent harvests; ?? beans per base harvest
• raw sell value TBD
• 1 pumpkin to 4 seeds (4 seeds = 100g)
• Canned Pumpkin recipe for preserves jars comes from from Pumpkin Purveyor I accomplishment (||harvest 10 star quality pumpkins||), sell value TBD

Batterfly Beans

• 2x2, grants Harvest Boost (footprint/buff identical to Blueberries)
• Seeds initially found as an occasional drop from Batterfly Beans forage at the base of large trees in Elderwood (per patch notes); but you can also presumably process foraged beans into seeds as well.
• Multiharvest: 6 days to initial harvest, ?? days to subsequent 3 harvests; ?? beans per base harvest
• raw sell value TBD
• 1 batterfly bean to 1 seed (1 seed = 90 gold)
• Canned Beans recipe for Preserves Jar from Bean Tycoon I accomplishment (||harvest 10 star quality batterfly beans||), sell value TBD

[neat vortex]

AND it maaaay be possible to request pumpkins/beans by acquiring the cooking recipes that need them.

but I wouldn't hold your breath, at least for the pumpkins, because I suspect most people who get those pumpkin seeds are not going to be able to produce unstarred ones to fill requests with.

[mint sandal]

Oh, that's true. I didn't even think about that

[neat vortex]

For those already using the "four apples AFK style" OR the "all the everything cooking garden" layouts, here's a modification of that to accommodate 4 bushes.

You can put the beans and the pumpkins in any of the bush positions, just make sure you adjust the harvest boost fertilizer to be on the crops adjacent to the pumpkins, if you are using it.

Obviously if you just want 2 bushes, you can put apples trees on the east and west plots.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBk.HOW-OPTBbBbBkBbBbO-W.HBkT.HPO.HPT.HBkW.H-O.HPmPmT.HPmPmPBk.HO.H-WOT.HPBk.HPT.HOW-O.HBk.HPPmPmT.HPmPmO.H-W.HBkT.HPO.HPT.HBkW.H-OBbBbBkBbBbTPO-WOBk.HPT.HPBk.HOW.H

(the "HOW" and "WOT" in that URL are cracking me up 😂 )

Edit: updated to use the actual new crops, but I can't change the diagram image, sorry

[mint sandal]

I never really pay attention to that but now that you mentionned it, I went to check on the link I sent earlier and I guess it heard a funny joke

That or it's laughing at us

[frail escarp]

✍️ Ooo

[neat vortex]

I'm about to go collect some recipes and see if I can learn more about the crop values :)

[neat vortex]

lol yeah my personal crop layout uses three harvest-boosted apple trees and it's just hilarious

[neat vortex]

New crop sell values:

Rockhopper Pumpkins (the crop) sell for 88g each unstarred, and presumably 132g each starred (+50% like all starred items). That's a lot of gold per item! Guess we'll see how the math works out with how many you get per harvest.

Batterfly Beans (the crop/forageable) sell for 23g each unstarred, so presumably 34g each starred - same value as tomatoes and carrots.

[frail escarp]

Hell yeah, I'll credit you for the info. I think once the re-harvest days are confirmed I can finally add em for layout planning

[neat vortex]

Batterfly beans get 6 crops per harvest without HarvestBoost, and 9 per harvest with. Tentatively, they seem to have an initial grow time of 6 growth ticks and then seem to be reharvestable every 2 days thereafter? Presumably for 4 harvests. But all of that needs more precise testing. I'm too bad at keeping track of time. lol

[neat vortex]

btw the beans are probably gonna be a "seed them forever for 💰 " type situation. They have a 2 hour processing time, but star quality beans APPEAR to go from 34g to 135g in those 2 hours

PLUS they're only 1 bean : 1 seed, which means they won't stall after 16 cycles the way bok choy currently does. 31 beans in the hopper = 62 hours (about 2.5 RL days) chugging along, gaining 101g per crop. (That's... wait, is that really over 50g per crafter slot hour? absurd if true. Most of the rest of the crops are in the 30's 0_0)

So bean seeds COULD be a true set-and-forget for people who can only log in every few days.... but they WILL overwhelm your seeders lickety-split if you're heavy on the playtime, due to the slow processing time and what seems to be a very fast harvest cycle.

Someone else please check my math, here... I have a headache from all the lag spikes today. lol

I'll do some proper spreadsheeting to compare the different crops once we have the actual numbers nailed down.

[oak berry]

how do I increase the purchase limit on soil

[oak berry]

my brain cells hurt just from the attempt of trying to read this

[clear kindle]

from badruu up to 9 soil plots

[formal delta]

the current limit is 9 soil plots with no word on that changing

[clear kindle]

raise your garden level

[oak berry]

thats the answer I was looking for ty

[neat vortex]

I'd apologize, but I'm really not very sorry for posting it, even if I'm sorry that your head hurts... if it makes you feel any better, mine hurts, too 😂

[oak berry]

i realised how broke I am in game when attempting to buy an iron chest and started trying to garden and yeah

[frail escarp]

Time checks out with the planner, if set to the values you've found. Can't set it to exactly 31 but it hovers around your result (1 Crafter + 1 Bush)

[zealous edge]

that little bug symbol... what does it mean? I'm just watering my plants lmao

OH I just saw other people are having this issue ! okokok,,

[neat vortex]

Yep, just a little leftover dev stuff used for debugging (presumably) - basically a visual glitch as far as I'm concerned

[floral talon]

Il play some more soon hopefully il get some seeds to do full data collecting

[floral talon]

finally come across some beans poof despawn ...

beans obtained woot

[frail escarp]

Gonna start rolling out the crops so people can start tinkering with the layouts. Would you guys prefer a slow roll-out as we verify things or would you guys like me to pull the values out of a certain valuable magic hat and I'll just re-validate things?

Gonna have a temp warning either way

It's been a while I forgot how I did things last time we got new crops

[floral talon]

i obtained beans at least imgonna run tests of hwo long what grows how muhc it gfives once i get pumpkins

or do u want me to run beans now

[frail escarp]

I think beans Ren reported 2 days for re-harvests (but unsure), but Pumpkins are unknown

So we probably need to check both anyways

[floral talon]

i can only get crops starred though but we can pull unstarred gold values from the crafters

[frail escarp]

Yeah that's fine

[floral talon]

i did forage a starred bean though XD

thats the starred ones gold value

[frail escarp]

Given 1.5x rule, should be 23 gold for base

[floral talon]

i can scnrshot the bas eone to if u like

nvmi used it up in aquest ...

[frail escarp]

LMAO, but it was 23 yeah?

[floral talon]

i didnt check XD but ik how to check it

u cant hover over the crop in crafter to see gold value anymore 😮

[frail escarp]

They've nerfed us </3

[floral talon]

well its all good they can delay me but never stop me

[frail escarp]

Oh wait base was already here

Given everything, I can reasonably enable Beans + Seed now

I'll go with the 2-days re-harvest and then modify if it turns out different

[floral talon]

lol this thing is bugged for starred stuff

[frail escarp]

Added Batterfly Beans (w/ the right image this time lmao), canned beans aren't available yet
Also quickly added a rough table showcasing what your crafters are doing that resulted in the planner's time calcs. Should help double-check the planner's maths in case there's been a miscalc somewhere

[gleaming condor]

Anyone doing pumpkins yet?

[floral talon]

they are so expensive

[gleaming condor]

Yeah 500 essence is crazy haha I thought about just buying one tbh

[floral talon]

let us know what buff it gives

[still zenith]

is this a good layout for money making?

[neat vortex]

Yes, it's good for making money in early game, as long as you don't mind having to buy some fertilizer. It won't be 100% harvest boosted until you unlock the worm farms through fishing, though.

It's a variant of the layout by Lucas Dylan (I call it "three lines" because it's three horizontal repeating patterns). Lucas' original version used carrots, but that looks like the version I did recently subbing in onions :)
Here's the post I made about it, with a garden planner link if you need it:
#🌱│gardening message

However, it may very well be that the two new crops that just came out may be even better for gold production. We're testing them now. Batterfly beans in particular are available almost immediately if you're willing to go foraging in Elderwood; the bean seeds themselves drop from the bean plants.

Math pending, once we know more about their reharvest times and the canned beans recipe :)

[frail escarp]

It'll be QualityUp, based on the tooltip

[still zenith]

oh ok im not early game so ig i shouldnt use it ive just been farming lots of potatoes and making it into preserves so idk whats better

[floral talon]

yeay but the tooltip can be wrong hence i wonder

[frail escarp]

Ahh

[still zenith]

im wanting my farm to make me good money

[neat vortex]

Oh, it's still GREAT for late-game! Apples are only middling for revenue, considering how many spaces they take up and how long they need to grow, and peppers and blueberries are frankly on the bottom end of the scale. lol

If you want to keep growing potatoes, consider turning them into seeds instead. 102g for starred potato preserves vs. 120g for 4 starred potato seeds :)

The top cash crops pre-Elderwood* are bok choy, potatoes, tomatoes, and rice.

*post-Elderwood math on pumpkins and beans pending

[still zenith]

ohh okay good to know because i have atonn of potatoes being preserved rn so ill switch them over to the seed maker thanks!

[neat vortex]

do note that you'll need to clear out the output bin every 20-something hours or so, or the seedmakers will stall

[cosmic osprey]

Anyone have a layout with 4-5 apple trees and batty beans with full water retain and weed prevent?

[still zenith]

okay ty

[neat vortex]

oh I can't wait to see some of our folks who are good with 2x2s tackle this one
(lol my brain says "what. is that even possible.")

[cosmic osprey]

Im 100% like out of brain right now as well so i need help im in game but my current layout is this

The carrots are free spaces but apple trees need to be 4-5 to retain my 120 apples per harvest or so

[neat vortex]

Could you do us a favor and post the garden planner link for that, please?

[cosmic osprey]

Yeah sec

[neat vortex]

You could probably get away with fewer trees if you harvest boosted them, unless you do already 🤔

[cosmic osprey]

I do

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-AAAAAAAAA-OCPPCOOCP-AAAAAAAAA-POPCCCOPO-AAAAAAAAA-OPOCCCPOP-AAAAAAAAA-PCOOCPPCO-AAAAAAAAA

[neat vortex]

Okay yeah if you 100% need 120 apples per harvest, then you would not be able to get away with fewer than 5 harvest boosted apple trees

[cosmic osprey]

I can make do with 4, I technically have 15 left over each harvest but thats for apple seeds

[neat vortex]

Are you the FF specialist for your group? :)

[cosmic osprey]

Im solo

[neat vortex]

Oh then what the heck are you doing with that many apples...?

[still zenith]

what do u do with all those apples , preserve them?

[cosmic osprey]

Caching

I sell the preserves for money

I use the layout off of a steam guide for best money making

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3247544958

I needed money for house slots lol

[neat vortex]

Apples are middling at best for gold revenue per tile per growth tick (for solo processing)

Numbers if you're interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/
(doesn't include beans and pumpkins, math on those pending more details)

[cosmic osprey]

Whats an FF Specialist?

[neat vortex]

Someone who likes to always fill the fruit frosting role (apple + sugar) at cake parties :)

[cosmic osprey]

honestly would love a layout that has a good bit of variety of crops, i like cooking solo cause i usually am online when my like 3 friends arent

[neat vortex]

lol when you said you needed 120 apples per harvest I assumed you were attending multiple cake parties a week or something and they always expected you to bring fruit XD

[cosmic osprey]

Nope

I just slapem in the jars and wait a day i have 9 glow worm farms as well

[neat vortex]

Yeah, they're nice for relatively passive income, since they don't need much tending

[cosmic osprey]

My main issue is weeds and such and wanting to have a simple layout for stuff but canned beans has taken over my brain space

[neat vortex]

Hmm... let's see, how do you feel about this one?

All the Everything cooking garden

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-OCbTBBBkBBO-R.HBkT.HPC.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-CrOTPC.HPTOCr-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPC.HPT.HBkR.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTCb.HO.H-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H

Beans can go where the blueberry is, and pumpkins can go where the peppers are, or they can be both beans and save you a couple units of fertilizer.

[cosmic osprey]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-PBkPCbOTBkBB-CoCbOCPBBkTB-BkCbPBCBkBTP-OBBCbPTCoBkC-AAAAAAAAA-OBkCoTPCbBBO-PTBBkCBPCbBk-BTBkBPOOCbCo-BBBkTOCbPBkP Heres the layout i just mentioned

[neat vortex]

For how many harvest boost items that has in it, the harvest boost % seems low, but yeah, I've seen that one floating around :)

[cosmic osprey]

Defs not hugely great but it worked when i was starting out with layouts

[neat vortex]

Yeah!

[cosmic osprey]

Is there a way to have peppers and berries and beans and pumpkins? 1 of each perhaps?

[neat vortex]

I have one that gives up the apples entirely (here: #🌱│gardening message ) but I think I've seen a few 4-bush options floating around... maybe from Astrea Moreno?

[neat vortex]

Ah yeah, this one, that always falls out of my brain because I'm highly averse to bought fertilizer 😂
Thanks, DS!

[floral talon]

but replaceone pepepr with pumpkin and one berry with bean

i almosthave a pumpkin sigh

[cosmic osprey]

I dont need need to be growing apples just something to help feel good, if they are mid tier for gold profit to space rationing i might just straight use the one Duh sent

[neat vortex]

My game is still giving me these horrible headache-inducing lag spikes D: I haven't even tried to go to Elderwood yet

[mint sandal]

Dang

[neat vortex]

peppers and blueberries are basically strictly utility crops, worse than apples for revenue per tile per tick; if you have enough to cook with, I wouldn't plant them just for money.

[cosmic osprey]

I dont have a ton of produce im basically in need of a lot of them

[neat vortex]

(unless you're hosting cake parties, in which case 1 blueberry = 182 to 280g xD)

[neat vortex]

Thanks, Astrea!

[mint sandal]

Np

There's also the one I made last night that has only 1 apple tree and more grain tiles
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Oh, that one is pretty elegant

[mint sandal]

Ty!

[cosmic osprey]

How can i work in just 1 apple tree into this one while upping averagre gold per tick?

i have infinite harvest boost fert, 1 apple tree is all i need really and everything else is just cooking ingredients when i have friends over

[neat vortex]

Probably by using the one Astrea just linked, haha

(it's 1 apple tree, 4 bushes)

[cosmic osprey]

Oops i saw that after i messaged lolll

[neat vortex]

Honestly, Astrea, that's probably going to be a winner for a new "everything garden"

[mint sandal]

Nice

[cosmic osprey]

Yeah that works greaet for what i need

[neat vortex]

see if you can make some of those carrots into bok choy for better profit!

[mint sandal]

Can even add cotton easy by sacrificing some grains

[floral talon]

anyone got a giftable pumpkins seed or pumpkin so i can start my science layout?

nvm il opt for the just harvest boosted test

[cosmic osprey]

Thanks yall astrea's layout works for what i need, ttyl

[floral talon]

extra extra duhscapes science of the new crops has commenced

the buffs are known and tested now

growhttick 1 no harvest to report

[neat vortex]

I fiddled with the layout a bit to make for nicer planting numbers (i.e., match crop numbers to an round number of times making seeds, at least as much as possible) and tweak it slightly toward profit (edit: oops, nope, thought I was doing that but I was incorrect):

Everything Garden: 1 apple, 4 bushes by Astrea Moreno

crop tweaks by Ren
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HTPBkO.HBkTPR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PTR.HBkO.HBkRPT-Bb.HBb.HTBb.HBb.HCBkCbW-PBkPBkO.HBkCrCbCr-TB.HB.HCB.HB.HWCbBk-O.HTCrS.HS.HBkS.HS.HT.H-WPWCBkCPR.HP-CrTO.HBkPm.HPm.HT.HPm.HPm.H_D360L25Cr0.RS-BkS5-CP-TP2-OP-WS-PS3-CrP-BbS2-CbP-SP-BP-AP2-PmP

Astrea's original version (more rice, more revenue) may be found here: #🌱│gardening message

[coarse panther]

If I'm looking for pure profit only, what setup should I use?

[neat vortex]

search minmax in this channel for some options :-)

(would pull it up myself but afk)

but pending math on new crops

[thorn oxide]

10 minute attempt of an "Everything at least once garden" with 100% Water retention and 97% Weed Prevention (100% with two crops fertilized. The rest of the field would be free to be bossted with Harvest boost fert)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-PBkBbTCBbPBkS-BbPBkBbTCSPBk-PTCoBkOBkPCbP-TCSPBkBTCB-STCBPBkBTC-RCr.WW.WAAAAAA-PBkSTCSPBkC-SPBkSTCTPBk-AAAPCbPOBkC_D30L50

(Switch out one of the Spicy Pepper with Pumpkins)
Not 100% happy with this, because I want more rice in it for cooking but at the same time don't want to use a lot of fertilizer and want to keep the work load minimal... Personally I will swap out the one cotton and wheat for 2 more rice.
Just wanted to present one layout with everything in it.

@frail escarp don't know if you are already aware of the small glitch, that when using the fertilizer eraser tool, it deletes the crop not the fert.
(I know you are probably in the middle of working on more important things. Just wanted to let you know for later)

[floral talon]

second growhttick no harvest yet on pumpkin or beans
it was to be expected

[still zenith]

i turn potatoes into seeds but how should i process bokchoy , tomatoes and rice?

[neat vortex]

seeds, jar, and seeds, respectively :)

The algorithm (not including new crops) is

• seed bok choy and potatoes and anything you can't jar
• jar everything else
  Works for most players with exception of people with very high playtime and/or high bok choy tile count

[still zenith]

tyy!

[neat vortex]

You can figure out if you need to add more crafters if your number of calculated growth ticks (I usually set it to 180 for consistency) divided by overall processing time (in RL days) is more than your typical hours of playtime per day

(or number of growth ticks per RL day, if that is more or less than your playtime)

as a rough approximation, anyway; max unattended runtime makes things complicated if you don't play every day lol

[coarse panther]

What do you guys use to get fert? I'm having a hard time keeping up.

[narrow grove]

do I harvest whatever is already grown or do I wait for it to fully grow?

[spare bronze]

I use chappa meet since I hunt like a maniac

WHEN WILL THEY GIVE US MORE DIRT PLOTS??? Like for real how do we let them know thats what we want?

[floral talon]

never iuts balanced though plastics soils for decotrative crops would be nice

[coarse panther]

How many glow worm farms do you have out? 😮

[spare bronze]

2

[neat vortex]

Fertilizer output scales with sell value of the input, but very cheap items will give you more value than you put in due to minimums and rounding

If you need fertilizer in greater bulk, find a way to get higher-value wormables more cheaply. Grilled glow worm fish is one of the easiest if solo, but cooking parties are also a good option if that's something you're willing to do. Check the fertilizer spreadsheet linked in pins, but in general, you get half the value of the input item back as worms and half as fertilizer

[floral talon]

growthtick nr 3 still nothign to report

[mint sandal]

Grilled fish. Gives a lot of hb fert and decent amount of worms/glow worms

[gilded basin]

Has anyone had an issue on controller w planting seeds

it wont let me

[floral talon]

check if its properly tilted

[still zenith]

whats better proftit || stared canned beans or the stared bean seeds ||

[neat vortex]

per crop? seeds. Not sure yet about per time.

I don't have the confirmed sell value of the jarred version

[floral talon]

i mean just look at the crafters ...

hover over those jars and seeds

growhttick 4 no harvest to report

growhttick nr5 no harvest to report

[floral talon]

growthtick 6 one bean harvest to report yield with HB 9 beans (no pumpkin yet)

[floral talon]

growhttick 7 still not pumpkins

[regal lantern]

does anyone know whats the best layout for making alot of money

[weary valve]

With this setup what are you doing with all of it are you seeding everything and selling the excess or preserving anything? Lvl 5 gardening atm this seemed like a good fit so curious what you are doing with it all here. I dont have the preseve yet but when i do just curious what you are doing with all the extra

[neat vortex]

See here :D
#🌱│gardening message

[weary valve]

Ahh Thank you!

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you and are you willing to go to cooking parties?

[neat vortex]

For some general suggestions, search "minmax" in this channel - I posted a list of a few options a while back

[reef furnace]

does any1 know how long beans take to grow i feel their like apple trees at this point

[neat vortex]

@reef furnace First harvest at 6 days in, but we're not 100% sure on how long between reharvests

(They definitely aren't as long as apple trees, which are 12 days to first harvest and 6 days after that)

[reef furnace]

ah ok ty

[neat vortex]

You can definitely harvest and replant whatever has finished growing! If you don't have the seeds to replant yet, though, you can wait so the crops continue to buff their neighbors

[frail escarp]

Ah thanks! I noticed but forgot about it almost instantly. Fixing it took 5 seconds 😭
It'll be grouped with the updates later today

[thorn oxide]

thanks for your hard work 💜
And glad it was just a minor thing that didn't steal more of your time

[neat vortex]

I don't have the jarred versions yet as they are earned by growing the plants, and I've been hamstrung by lag spikes - haven't been into Elderwood at all

If you have the canned beans and canned pumpkin sell values, could you share, please? 🙏

then I can go about doing the comparison math on them finally

[mystic skiff]

Are pumpkins seeds loot able or are they quest just like beans? I have no luck finding any beans yet even tho I got the quest. 😭

[floral talon]

growthtick 8 beans reharvestable again 9 yield with HB still no pumpkin

starred canned beans

starred batterfly beans again

growhttick 9
3 rockhopperpumpkin with HB

starred value AT my level i can never get them unstarred aside from the random unstarred bonus u can sometimnes get from stuff

ren u can pul unstarred seed and can values from the scrafters by hovering over hte recipes once u get those or i can scrnshot htose to let me know

unstarred

unstarred

unstarred
i dont have the jar recipe yet for pumpkins
this is crafting starred ones but the recipe tooltip is for unstarred as always wil soon let u know the starred value of pumpkins 😄

[ivory fossil]

Curious question, are the “days to harvest” based on in-game days or IRL days?

I’m desperately trying to save gold while doing stuff, and I can never figure out what would be best to plant for it.

[frail escarp]

In-game days. They advance only when you're online (with an extra tick after logging out), so they're not synced with IRL hours

[ivory fossil]

Ahh, that explains why I had potatoes that still weren’t fully grown after a two month break lol

I assume all of the charts with apples are correct with those being the best things for gardening?

(Until we know more about the new crops, that is)

[frail escarp]

Depends on the provided context, some layouts are built for different playstyles.
The planner itself won't necessarily be accurate to your gameplay cause it's operates with the assumption that the player plays the game 24/7

but if you match the context they're for then they're pretty good

[ivory fossil]

Ah, yeah I only have like an 8-hour window each day for the next week, I took vacation for the update

[frail escarp]

Also perfect, I can enable canned beans now (+ a couple tweaks)

[ivory fossil]

Has anyone here made a sheet/calculator for all of the crops with their in-game grow time converted into IRL time? If not, I don’t mind volunteering as tribute for everyone lol

[floral talon]

im gathering data of how long they take to grow and now realised i should also have kept track of the xp drops but i assumne xp is perfectly balanced as with all other crops ...
first pumpkin xp was 120 with so 60 base ...

also ryver hawthorne crops grow at 0600 palian time when online and one time more after u logged out

[ivory fossil]

I’m purely motivated to figure out farming solely due to needing gold in order to create the tiny forest village of my dreams lol

[floral talon]

attend one maws pokebowl party

[frail escarp]

Thanks Palia for once again driving into us the need for money

[floral talon]

growthtick 10 beans are ready again still 9 with HB

and again i forgot to check the xp drop ...

[exotic valley]

hello! i havent been back to the game since building blocks were added.. anyone got a garden layout pic i can steal just while i get back into things?

..ive had a scroll and found one 😄

[floral talon]

If u need something else we can even make custom layouts

[stable ginkgo]

Any numbers for the canned preserve processing time Duhscape?

[floral talon]

i only got canned beans uhm il scrnshot it

[floral talon]

its exactly 33min for beans i dont own 10 pumpkins yet so that recipe is not yet unlocked

starred pumpkin seeds check hell yeay

growthtick 11
120 xp base 60
pumpkins 3 with HB

[stable ginkgo]

Thanks! You’re a legend

[floral talon]

cant minmax unles i do the science XD

[floral talon]

growthtick 12 last harvest of beans
with HB got 9
xp 96 so without focus 48

BEANS SCIENCE IS COMPLETED!!! unles someone needs more XP info

[atomic urchin]

Does anyone know if the Batterfly Bean has a gardening trait thingie?

[weak crane]

It boosts harvest if that's what you mean

[zealous sonnet]

were i get the pumpkin seeds?

[craggy bough]

Has anyone put together any easy to maintain garden layouts featuring the new crops yet?

Nevermind! OMG, I should have just scrolled up. Sorry sorry!

[neat vortex]

Potion shop after working through main quests

[zealous sonnet]

aah in tamala?

[green lion]

i wish we could have more soil plots

[zealous sonnet]

same

[floral talon]

growthtick 13 (they still arent done growing but i suspect they will be at growhttick 15)
xp 120 (with +100% from focus)
HB 3 pumpkins

[weary valve]

At level 6 gardening what would be the best crop for max exp gain. trying to get to preserve jars asap

[floral talon]

with ur current knowledge thoughw ehavent scienced out the newer crops all crops yield the same xp per growthtick per tile
so grow faster things so u cget ur xp drops earlier would be best at those levels as u get something nice each level

[weary valve]

Thank you! what i had assumed but wanted to make sure

[mystic skiff]

Finally got my bean seeds. 😭 Will pumpkins come with a quest or is it at the essence shop exclusive?

[floral talon]

i got mine from shop didnt see it as a quest reward so far

growthtick 14 pumpkin is not done yet nothing else to report
end of experiment is expected within 1hour

[craggy bough]

Hi! Kinda new - am i right that I can swap the wheat or rice occasionally for cotton if I need fabric or would there be a better swap crop for that from time to time?

[versed harbor]

thinking about making canned beans my new focus food over pickled potatoes thoughts?

[floral talon]

mh so u dislike cooking yes?

[versed harbor]

yup

[floral talon]

mh i did just finish the beans science so u can check my logs for total yield per tile per growthtick and compare that to potato

its probs easier to wait for all the info to be cumped into an sheet or gardenplanner though

[finite bison]

hey guys, trying to get back into gardening on here-- was looking at the palia garden plot generator and it seems to be not working? is anyone else experiencing this issue?

[frail escarp]

It works on my end. I do know Adain was updating it an hour or so ago, is there a specific issue you're seeing?

[finite bison]

Clicking generate after using the parameter sliders and its just the loading circle--it was happening last night too, but i figured it was just being worked on for account of the EW update

[floral talon]

plz use aisens crowns planner

in 4min we will know if ur info about the growth times and production of pumpkins are correct i checked beans and those are correct i dont bother to check the beans values and processed values cuz i have faith in ur competence

it was abit tricky to keep in mind that u have encalced the reseed cost by default XD

[frail escarp]

It does take a bit of time for me but it still generates. It could be a device issue, so I'd guess try a hard refresh. If it still persists then you should probably contact him for better support

[finite bison]

good idea let me try that.

[floral talon]

growthtick 15 FINAL
3 pumpkins with HB
base xp 60 with 100% focus boost 120

[frail escarp]

If it does feel off then let me know, previous new additions I did get a few numbers wrong. A kind soul corrected me

[floral talon]

jar recipe unlocked!!!! and im canning one starred one will provide those values asap

[frail escarp]

Heyyy, that doesn't look like a can

[floral talon]

ur right that is a jar and not a can ... wth

[finite bison]

hm so it works on my phone, but not on google chrome-- might be an issue from my browser. Thanks for the suggestion!

[restive yoke]

Here is my new cooking garden layout, has at least one of everything for cooking, 100% water retain & 100% weed prevention. (I didn't include fertilizer, you can add whatever you want for your goals.)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-OTPBkBBPBB-OTOBkPBkOTO-PTOSSBkSSP-TPROBkOTPT-AAAAAAAAA-WPTOBkOTPT-PBbBbBkBbBbOTP-OTOBkPBkOCrO-PmPmPPmPmBkTCbC

[frail escarp]

I gotta put a proper dark mode on my to-do list ✍️

[light valley]

How do you get those purple bean seeds?

[restive yoke]

It's part of the new Elderwood update, they are something you can forage there to find.
Similar for the pumpkin, ||except you have to do some quests to unlock them at Tamalas store and then have 500 essence. ||

[light valley]

OOOOH ok I have been trying to make money and gardening tokens to get more blueberries and apple seeds for expanding my ammo pouches .

[floral talon]

pretty solid though low on harvest boost and single tile harvestboost crops

[restive yoke]

Yeah, folks can add harvest boost fert if they want

[floral talon]

wel u just set the bar of what i have to make better at bare minimum for my everything layout XD
which il fix once i got the time/energy to do it

[mint sandal]

Yes, changing any of the rice, wheat or corn is the only option here otherwise you're gonna lose some water retain or weed prevention. You'll just have to use a little bit more harvest boost fertilizer if you care about having it 100%. Though if you're new, you might wanna hold of on having 100% weed prevention since there's a series of achievements for pulling cretain amounts of weeds from the garden

[floral talon]

Starred Canned Pumpkin in a jar now i have all the new crop items aside from unstarred pumpkin ... scrnshotted and send woot

[uncut gull]

I'm also wondering if there's a new preferred setup with the new crops. I struggle with mapping them out. Someone previously was so kind as so plan this garden for me, and ive profited well. (I wanted to include all crops, i know some don't do that, heck some have all apple trees)

[weak crane]

Compiled a few layouts recommended in this channel because I was looking for them and thought others might find it useful to more easily find one they want to use. First two are my own attempts.

Peppers can be switched out for Pumpkins.
Blueberries can be switched out for Batterfly Beans.

[frail escarp]

Perfect! With this, pumpkin preserves should now be enabled and that should make the planner fully updated with the Elderwoods patch. Thanks again for the research >:D

[floral talon]

yes someone to store all my info for me
i mean YOUR welcome

[craggy bough]

Thank you for the answer! Appreciate the help 🙂

[mint sandal]

Revised my layout #🌱│gardening message now that beans and pumpkins are available in the planner (with picture of an alternative example to include 2 cottons)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HTPBkO.HBkPTR-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PTR.HBkO.HBkRTP-B.HB.HTB.HB.HBkBkCbR-PCPCBk.HCCrPCr-TBb.HBb.HBkBb.HBb.HRCbBk-O.HTRPm.HPm.HBkPm.HPm.HT.H-WCbWCBkCPR.HP-RTO.HBkS.HS.HT.HS.HS.H_D360NrcL60

[neat vortex]

It's a canning jar!

[neat vortex]

Juust in case it's relevant: Due to fabric now taking 2 cotton instead of 1, by the numbers you now get more fabric per tile per growth tick from growing cash crops (bok choy, potatoes, rice, tomatoes) and buying your fabric from the cash register in the furniture store. You might not need to fuss with cotton at all!

Haven't mathed the new crops yet, but I have the data now, so will be doing that today

[stable ginkgo]

To give my thanks to my fellow gardeners, I’ll leak my spreadsheet. Looks like pumpkins are not amazing. Beans take the new highest good per tile. Beans preserves just barely beat out blueberries for most gold per hour of the preserves. Beans seeds really take a hit with the processing time and don’t have the raw value to keep up with bok choy.

Public version will be updated eventually.

[neat vortex]

I still think bean seeds will be EXCELLENT for players who are only online every few days, since the seedmakers should run through the full hopper of them in 62 unattended hours.

[tender cave]

Thanks so much! I was just about to switch from more beans to more pumpkins. This saved me. Lol.

[stable ginkgo]

Yep! A great value per tile if you aren’t in a hurry.

Maybe the pumpkins will make up some value if they’re in a high value cooking recipe.

[tender cave]

Pumpkin Stew is +500 Focus Points, but I'm also the type that's too lazy to cook. So... Lol.

[neat vortex]

👀 unstarred or starred?

Pumpkins so expensive though DDD:

[tender cave]

unstarred

[neat vortex]

132g each starred, iirc, 151g if you can it, or 148g as seeds

[neat vortex]

Rats! I keep praying for something that will neatly fill up the focus bar without having to pray it turns out unstarred. 😂 Thanks for the info!

[floral talon]

good but an absurd amount of fert used

[mossy belfry]

guys what do you think is more profitable, sell these as they are or make worms and fertilizer and sell those?

[floral talon]

beans sseeds are also 1 on 1 allowed for seed collectors to run long

[mint sandal]

I get a ton from making worms so I don't mind it, literally selling hundreds of hb ferts every time so as to not clutter my storage. My priority is always the 100% water/weedblock

[ivory roost]

Has anybody else had/have the issue where no matter what you plant for crops it only gives you starred versions? I’m not even planting star seeds and I still will only get star versions never just regular

[floral talon]

no clue but processing it will take a while if worming

[mint sandal]

Past a certain level you just always get starred crops no matter what seeds you use

[ivory roost]

Oh.. interesting

[floral talon]

its not a problem just cook starred unles u forget to click allow starredbox alot or ur friends do or u wanna gift

[mossy belfry]

that's what I was thinking but I'm not sure so 🤔
ty anyways ♥

[floral talon]

whatsin the yellow jars anyways?

[mossy belfry]

potatoes

[neat vortex]

isn't that what I said? 😂

[floral talon]

<- is literly gardening scientist in palia make slayouts for everyone
but dont know what jarred potato even looks like

just turn potatos into seeds for more money

[mint sandal]

Lol

[floral talon]

it sure is

[mossy belfry]

I only plant tomatoes and potatoes bc they water themselves xdd

[mossy belfry]

potatoes seeds make more money than pickled potatoes? wow

[floral talon]

same for bokchoi and beans (but it takes way longer for the crafters

[gleaming condor]

Is this a okay layout?

[mossy belfry]

mind blown
tysm

[floral talon]

everything else jar it unles its not jarrable

[gleaming condor]

I kinda threw it together but I wanted an apple tree for appeal tbh and semi to add to cakes when I need em lol

[neat vortex]

By my reckoning, the only preserves (note: haven't calculated new crops yet) worth worming are pickled onions in a regular worm farm, but only if you need the fertilizer (9 per) and/or if you don't have anything more profitable to do with your crafter slots (or have a lot of crafter idle time to crank through). Starred pickled onions gain 23g in value over the hour it takes for them to be processed, which I consider to be on the bottom end of the "worth it" scale.

[floral talon]

apple trees are alwways usefull for cooking and lure making to have on hand

[mossy belfry]

thank you so much for your feedback

[odd phoenix]

does anyone have a rough idea on how long the soil takes to un-till its self? i really wanna move my farming stuff to my new plot🥲

[neat vortex]

48 real hours since it was last tilled

(Make sure it has no hidden fertilizer on it or you still won't be able to pick it up)
More tips: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

If you're interested in the numbers, here's the comparison!
(imo, don't jar+worm your bok choy; you get the same value in less total processing time by seeding it instead.)

[neat vortex]

oops wrong paste, here
(Note: does not include beans and pumpkins)

Image from Arenvanya's Fertilizer Guide, linked in pins: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854

[mossy belfry]

wow this sooo useful! thanks so much homie 🥹

[neat vortex]

Starred preserves top out at +15g in a glow worm farm, so there is no gold-based reason to glow worm your stuff (unless you need glow worms specifically and for some reason need to get them out of your garden produce instead of from grilled fish or raw meat/ 11g forageables)

I do actually worm my pickled onions, personally. It helps me keep up with my fertilizer usage, and the profit is juuust high enough that even if I don't need the fert, it is an okay use of the crafter slot. It's also nice that it bumps onions up to be worth 90g each (albeit after an hour and 20-something minutes total of processing), which helps them earn their keep since I am kind of biased against carrots. lol

(onions MORE than earn their keep as poke OP fodder, though)

[uncut gull]

Should I not be trying to grow some of every crop? What if I need it for a recipe?

[neat vortex]

Me, I fit each crop into my layout, stop planting it when I have 30-100 (depending how often I use it), and switch them out for their synonymous cash crops

[floral talon]

yeay . you carrots u are bad (tried to use words that arent swearish enuf to be filtered)
(really u guys filtered a non swear word)

[floral talon]

i mean layotus for everyhting are more continuous production so eventually u can have enuff of some that u probs dont need more for very very long
but depends on what u cook

[neat vortex]

Yeah, and if you want to use your garden for continuous production/revenue or if you wanna do what some people do, which is leave it grown until they need it. Also valid, just a playstyle thing.

[floral talon]

some poeple use their garden as a fridge cuz they got full storage and max goldcap anyways

[neat vortex]

Exactly

LOL someone visiting my plot once caught me in a moment when I hadn't had the energy to turn over my garden yet, and said something like, "see, this is how you know he's rich, because his garden is just sitting there to look pretty" and I was just like 😑 ; no not quite

[uncut gull]

Hmm, I don't cook that often and I do have lots of apples and blueberries hoarded for the occasional cake party and about 15 of other crops. especially if these bean and pumpkin Preserves are profitable, I should look through this channel and find a good layout

[floral talon]

apparently beans ar emost profit but take alot of crafter time BUT also
they have horrible harvest times that dont sync up with anything

[neat vortex]

They're, what, 6 + 2 + 2 + 2?

that should sync up okay with tomatoes and apples (in a way), right?

[floral talon]

i miss garden planner having showing when what is ready

[neat vortex]

Oh, the day by day thing?

[floral talon]

yeay i use that in my layout making process

[uncut gull]

Are Pumpkin and or Preserves profitable? I havent picked up seeds yet so I don't know anything about them. All of my garden is ready to pick currently, I just need to figure where to start fresh, what is most profitable, some beans and pumpkins to make the new recpies once or twice (for star decor) and probably have some cotton too for fabric?

[floral talon]

pumpkins appear to be quiet horrible for coins so considering they have the useless quality up perk for higher level gardeners i jus tknow its hte most usefull crop for cooking ever and im waiting on ren to do the cooking math XD

[neat vortex]

cotton for fabric is firmly not profitable, sorry! more fabric per tile per tick from growing cash crops, by the numbers

[neat vortex]

Yeah, still working on that one, lol

[floral talon]

but cmon ur also suspecting them to be used in THE meta food dont ya?

[neat vortex]

Mmmm idk, I haven't seen anything compelling for pumpkins yet, but to be fair, I haven't checked that closely. A lot of the new recipes are odd and use multiples of ingredients per role, like pumpkin pie needing THREE wheat (what the heck) for the dough, and it can't be split among multiple people.

I think they're going to be a dubious utility crop, or perhaps used for furniture crafting later

But we'll see! The numbers often surprise me :)

[uncut gull]

Oh I know it's not profitable! I thought most people just gre a few to have fabric on hand

[neat vortex]

Yeah, unfortunately one harvest-boosted cotton plant now only gets you 1.5 fabric and still takes a whole 5 days of growing D: Was maybe worth it when you got 3 fabric out of the plant, but not anymore, imo...

urk why is it always the data entry that stalls me out

[uncut gull]

Oh o.o I guess it's better to buy it from tish then

[neat vortex]

That was my conclusion, yeah; you get more fabric out of the tile by planting rice there 😂 (and it saves you having to HB fertilize the surrounding crops as well)

[proven pulsar]

I don't think this is true actually - from 1 potato, the 4 seeds (80g total) do sell for more money outright than the 1 jar of pickles (68g)...but the seeds take 1h24m and the pickles only take 54 minutes. If you break that down to gold per minute, it's 0.95 for seeds and 1.26 for pickles - or 57.1g and 75.5g/hour, respectively.

So while the output of seeds is more profitable on an individual output basis, the pickles are more profitable in the long run and earn you more gold over time (with less time needed between potential payouts).

meanwhile, i actually came here for a silly aesthetic question lol. It bothers me that my trees are at the same rotation because they look too samey and unnatural. If I finish the crops growing on one plot and then rotate the plot, will the tree grow at a different angle next time I plant it? Like is its rotation dependent on the plot rotation or is it just always gonna look like that?

[neat vortex]

Isn't it 120g for 4 starred potato seeds, or are these unstarred numbers? When I've done the math, the gold per hour has been very comparable.

[proven pulsar]

unstarred numbers (since that's easiest to reference in the crafters)

[floral talon]

im not sure but i did keep managing to have mine at different rotations on accident maybe soil rottation/ angle at whcih ur seed em matter

[neat vortex]

(Gold per crafter slot hour can also be misleading, as it assumes you can keep them operating without interruption.)

[proven pulsar]

I have tried to plant at different positions but that didn't do it, so I'm assuming its the soil that matters if its possible

[neat vortex]

You can rotate the plots even before the tree is done growing :) (the physical furnishing object)

Just make sure the plots snap back together all the way (may have to server hop to double-check the buffs)

[proven pulsar]

it said I had to clear the plot first before moving?

[neat vortex]

Before picking it up, yeah, but you can grab it and rotate it np as long as the tree isn't across two plots

[proven pulsar]

clicking it says "placed crops are preventing this action"

[neat vortex]

Ah, then yep, it's across two plots

[proven pulsar]

no its not actually

[neat vortex]

🤔

[proven pulsar]

this is my layout (although one of the blueberries is now beans)

OH IT IS IM DUMB

[floral talon]

nvm u realised it

[proven pulsar]

i just needed to see it in grid form lol

so i cant rotate it anyways

bleh

[proven pulsar]

but back to this - you're not wrong but for most daily (or close to it) players, it's not hard to keep a stack in there at basically all times. 10 of my spots are potatoes and I have them coming out the ears and I don't even always harvest on time lol. It takes 27 hours in a preserves jar to go through a stack of potatoes completely. If you're less active and can't check in at roughly the same time once a day, then seeds might be better for you're playstyle/availability...but if you're playing most nights at roughly the same time, then pickles are better.

[neat vortex]

OH, I think maybe I understand what I missed, here. These numbers are calculating end product sell values, not value added per unit of processing time.

In terms of value added per time, for unstarred potatoes...

• preserving adds 23g to the unstarred potato value, or 0.43g/minute (25.6g per crafter slot hour)
• seeding adds 35g to the unstarred potato value, or 0.42g/minute (25g per crafter slot hour)

They're really similar, and also have similar total unattended runtimes (but seeds run for longer total time per crop)

So, for me, I'll take the higher value per crop.

The way I reckon it, the value of the raw potato is there no matter how you process it, so you can't split it across the processing time.

[proven pulsar]

that makes sense!

as far as gold per hour then, they are similar values but provided you can check in on your crafters consistently enough, you'll earn that money faster (because the end products are produced faster) by making pickles over seeds

[neat vortex]

How do you reckon?

[proven pulsar]

It's roughly 27 hours for a stack of potatoes to complete in preserves jars. It's 42 hours for a stack to complete in the seedmaker.

[neat vortex]

So 30 potatoes gets you 27 hours at 25.6g per crafter slot hour, or it gets you 42 hours at 25g per crafter slot hour, am I thinking about that right?

[proven pulsar]

Yeah

(This is of course contingent on activity levels like you mentioned, if you cant check on the pickles once a dayish then...you know.)

[neat vortex]

So could you plunk down two seedmakers and process 30 potatoes in 21 hours at 25g per crafter slot hour/50g total per hour? 🤔

Granted that you don't have anything better to do with your crafter slots

[proven pulsar]

Theoretically yeah, but then are you sacrificing that crafter slot for something else that could be making money

Especially if you're earlier in the game still and not having like a zillion jars/seedmakers going at once

[neat vortex]

Well, early game, you won't have the preserves jar yet anyway 😂

but that would be a fair point for someone who hasn't prioritized buying crafter slots yet!

[proven pulsar]

well not early early game, but yeah - i.e. im level 114 and i only have 17 or 18 crafter slots on my plot currently, 5 of which are seeds and 6 are jars

[proven pulsar]

cause like on the flip side of this, you could put down two jars and have 30 potatoes processed in 13.5 hours at 25.6g/crafter slot per hour at 51.2g per hour. I don't know that doubling the crafters used really benefits anything, unless you just already have empty seeder space and no empty jars or whatever

[neat vortex]

(For comparison, starred potatoes - which is what folks end up with in relatively short order if they are planting starred seeds - gain 38g/hr as seeds, or 39g/hr as preserves, both of which are firmly on the high end for crop processing gold per hour. There is not really anything you can run in any crafter for 20+ unattended hours a stretch that will keep up with that number. Potatoes are an excellent use of your idle processing time, either way you slice it.)

I guess this depends on your playtime to idle time ratio, like with many things, i.e., how many potatoes does your garden produce per real-life day vs. how many potatoes can your crafters process per real-life day, and how much time does that leave them sitting idle while you wait for the next harvest (or end up with a surplus taking up storage while it waits)

(I'm having an excellent time with this conversation, btw, thank you for engaging with me <3 )

[proven pulsar]

yes, exactly - if you're a very active daily player and are growing enough potatoes to keep up with things, then pickles are the way to go.
if you're not as active or don't grow potatoes fast enough to keep up with jars/aren't competing with other crops for seedmaker space (and therefore don't mind the slower processing time), then make seeds.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that's the general advice, I think :)

If you're growing potatoes too fast (somehow) and overwhelming your seeders, swap some to preserves

[proven pulsar]

lmao here's a way too in depth conversation that eventually reaches an answer to your question

[neat vortex]

(This happens much more often with bok choy)

In my personal experience, as someone who plays this game like a salaried (lol) job and logs way too much playtime, the long grow time on potatoes fits pretty neatly into the longer processing time for the seeds, so it isn't generally an issue. Bok choy can get you into hot water pretty quick, though.

I know I'm playing too much when my usual number of seedmakers can't keep up 😂

[proven pulsar]

Right - I grow 10 potatoes and 11 bok choy in my garden, so I always have a zillion of both...usually 2-3 seeders running with bok choy at all times, 1 with cabbage, others rotational. jars have peppers, apples, blueberries, and potatoes, others rotational as surplus gets built up.

[neat vortex]

I'm super excited about the new calculations available in the planner

I have 12 and 12, and I was previously (before I started splitting time between two accounts) running 4 seeders for potatoes and 4-6 for bok choy.

But I also don't run peppers or blueberries except to restock as needed, so otherwise I only normally need to process apples (planted for labor-reduction reasons), tomatoes, onions, and whatever rotating grain surplus I end up with.

(Lately I've been running corn because I've been exhausted and haven't had the energy to take my rice to cooking parties.)

[proven pulsar]

yeah I just like to have bits of everything on hand for cooking, and I like the way the bigger plants look in the garden, plus it saves a bit of labor having 1 big reharvestable crop instead of 4 single harvest crops

[neat vortex]

Very true!

Any garden layout that makes you happy and does what you want is a good garden layout, imo

[craggy bough]

OMG... just seeing this now, but this makes a ton of sense. Thank you for pointing it out!

[proven pulsar]

Absolutely. I honestly really struggled with gardening before this layout because I hated managing it and the need to manage it kept me from what I wanted to do (still feel the same tbh, but it's better and more worth it now lol). I was running a 1x3 for a longggg time because I didn't have bigger crops yet and the thought of a 3x3 seemed exhausting.

[neat vortex]

Oh, I did that, too! (stuck with fewer garden plots for a long time because the full 3x3 plots was overwhelming)

I still run a linear layout on Eliot, because I get kind of lost in the Garden Cube 😂

My alt is using the diamond layout (4 apples afk), but I still periodically forget to replant or water one of the 5 supporting plots. Having my plot be maximum 3 tiles deep really helps my brain keep track of what I'm doing: I just work methodically from one end to the other.

[proven pulsar]

That's so valid. 😂 Part of the reason I like my layout is almost all of it is single rows of single harvest crops with other bigger crops breaking it up. There's only 2 of the 9 plots that are filled with all 9 things. And I try to keep it somewhat symmetrical for most things. It makes it way easier to navigate without getting lost. Bok choy and potatoes are the only non-symmetrical crops that I have to reference my image for to replant, because I know cabbage goes in the corners, etc.

AND I managed to get nearly 100% on every buff

not having to water/weed it ever (unless im replanting obvs) helped a LOT with my willingness to do it

[neat vortex]

Oh, very same. I lose track of time very easily, so if my garden had to rely on my being home in time to water and weed, I'd never get anywhere XD

[stable ginkgo]

I might have to switch to the windmill layout.

Okay, this link literally wont post because of "too many duplicate letters". I even tried to add fertilizer but it still doesn't like me. The screenshot will have to do.

[oak berry]

is the only way to get the rockhopper pumpkin seeds buying from the potion shop\

[stable ginkgo]

as far as I'm aware yes.

[oak berry]

alright thanks

[neat vortex]

I've been wanting to work on this for a while...

Crop Uses (starred crops only)

A sortable/filterable listing comparing ALL of the solo processing options and SOME of the most popular (and less-popular) group cooking processing options for starred gardening crops.

(Still need to do some analysis on all the new recipes for beans and pumpkins, but I'll tackle that next :) )
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=1265607500#gid=1265607500

[neat vortex]

Anyway, at least for now, the top cash crops for solo passive processing, ranked by gold per tile per growth tick, assuming 100% star quality and harvest boost, are:

1. batterfly beans as seeds (101.3)
2. bok choy as seeds (88)
3. potato as seeds (72)
4. onion as preserves -> worms (67.5)
5. bok choy as preserves (67)
6. rice as seeds (64)
7. potato as preserves (61.2)
8. tomato as preserves (61.2)
9. cotton to avoid buying fabric (57)
10. corn as preserves (54)
11. cotton as seeds (54)
12. wheat as seeds (54)
13. corn as seeds (52.8)
14. apple as preserves (51.2)
15. carrot as preserves (51)
16. onion as preserves (50.3)

The top cash crops for cooking (same criteria, NOT including beans and pumpkins or any new recipes) are:

1. tomato as epic poke overprep (3578.4)*
2. rice as tier 2 epic sushi overprep (2419)**
3. onion as epic poke overprep (2236.5)
4. corn as tier 3 epic fish tacos overprep (1101)
5. rice as tier 1 rare sashimi overprep (817)
6. onion or wheat (tied) for muujin Bahari made with brightshrooms (672.8)
7. corn or spicy pepper (tied) for muujin Bahari using brightshrooms (538.2)
8. blueberry as starter for a triple-apple cake party (372.5)

* Tomatoes for poke make you fight the UI and take much longer to chop compared to onions, increasing the risk of missed rounds. Under those conditions, garlic or spice sprouts OP are similarly difficult but more profitable
** Sweet leaf OP is also available for sushi and is more profitable

Obviously, the cooking revenue numbers rely on the availability of enough rounds of each party type to keep up with your garden production, which may be unlikely, depending on the rarity of other ingredients. It also does not include multi-roling costs.

Additionally, cooking is active labor that requires a time commitment, whereas passive processing proceeds even while you are offline or otherwise occupied — so they are not strictly comparable.

[neat vortex]

(I also decided not to include legendary poke because we have no idea how sustainable catching dozens of those will be. I also haven't investigated the new fish sell values.)

[teal coyote]

Pardon - what is 'poke'?

[neat vortex]

Poke Bowl, a cooking recipe that uses any fish, dari cloves, heat root, and any spice (which is usually another dari cloves)

If you use very high-value fish, it is worth a lot of money.

[proven pulsar]

after all our math earlier, im curious now what this comes out to when time is also a factor, considering we agreed potatos were better to preserve provided you had the time/supply to do so

[neat vortex]

I generally tend to operate on the assumption that the average player is not getting in more than 4 growth ticks per RL day, and on the high end few are getting more than 8 actual growth ticks per day. (They might play more hours, but may be more likely to miss growth ticks due to being away from their gardens doing other things - like participating in parties, hunting, etc.)

Most gardeners also use a mix of crops, because it's not really possible to monocrop AND also get all the growth ticks in without exceptional timeliness.

So, more than maybe 20 tiles of any given crop (other than apples, which are slow-growing) would be pretty unusual.

With potatoes, if you have 20 tiles of them (which is a bit high already), harvest boosted, and you're processing them as seeds...
For 180 growth ticks, that's 1,980 potatoes, which if you have 4 dedicated seedmakers, requires 29 days 14.5 hours to process, assuming you check them on time.

That means, dividing 180 growth ticks by 30 days, you'd need to get more than 6 growth ticks per day to outrun your crafters.

Adding one more seedmaker (total 5) drops it to 23 days 7 hours. 180 growth ticks divided by 24 days is 7.5 growth ticks per RL day before your crafters can't keep up with your production.

At least, that's how I'm reckoning it, and pretty much tracks with my own experience as someone who has a high playtime to idle time ratio

[calm iron]

is there a mathematically proven highest value layout?

[neat vortex]

Yes, but for reasons we're currently discussing, real-life numbers may not match the strictly mathematical potential depending on your playstyle

[proven pulsar]

Sure, but you're assuming monocropping and high production. I would assume most players have jars and seedmakers with a variety of crops going at once.

I.E. I have 5 seedmakers and 6 jars, but only 1-2 of them have potatoes in it at a time. I have probably 8-10 different crops processing in some way at some point. And if that's the case, they're going to have an easier time filling those crafters and keeping them stocked.

[calm iron]

ah sorry

[proven pulsar]

TL;DR of our discussion earlier - sometimes crops have higher profits being made into either seeds or preserves, but the time it takes to do so isn't the same. So sometimes, like in the case of potatoes, seeds are worth more as raw output but take longer to make. And when looking at the gold/hour of seeds vs preserves they're roughly equal. But if you have the time to stay on top of your preserve jars and the supply to keep them stocked, then pickled potatoes are a much better choice than seeds. If you're a more casual player and/or don't have as much crop surplus to stock your crafters and time is more of a concern, seeds would net you more in the long term.

And that can vary by crop.

[neat vortex]

11 crafter slots for your whole garden feels a little low to me

[proven pulsar]

im just a baby eliot 😂

dont shame me

[neat vortex]

lol sorry, no shame intended, I just feel like that's probably the bottleneck

In which case, if you DO have that bottleneck, then yeah, preserves :)

[calm iron]

ive been doing all apples into jam </3 it takes frickin forever

[proven pulsar]

im still out here desperately trying to save up for iron chests and my final backpack upgrade, everythings so expensive man 😂

[neat vortex]

More crafter slots might get you there faster 😜

(I'm partially joking/giving you a hard time)

[proven pulsar]

i know, im currently debating on if its worth it to dump the 35 grand I have into like 3 or maybe 4 new crafters and get more gold over time, or just keep saving for the chests

[neat vortex]

Personally? I'd invest in the thing that lets you print money in your sleep

Larger backpack might somewhat improve your active gold-earning capacity, but there are a lot more offline hours in the day than there are online ones, at least for most people

Only you know where your pain points lie, though

[proven pulsar]

what if im a Palia addict

[neat vortex]

I mean same
but also, they do also print money while you are awake and in-game XD

[proven pulsar]

they do and i cant stop checking them for one preserves jar at a time to sell lololol

[neat vortex]

XD

[proven pulsar]

rn i usually have ~15k waiting for me when I log in

[neat vortex]

I remember when I was new, someone advised me to worm ALL of my preserves, and I spent sooo much of my early game time shuttling preserves into the worm farms XD one at a time...

[proven pulsar]

ohhh jokes on me, i almost had enough for 3 crafters, but not quite...compromise it is I guess 😂

[neat vortex]

(and then I did the math on how many crafter slots I would need to keep that up without backlog, and how much extra gold per crop that extra hour of processing was earning me, and gave that up as a bad job lol)

[proven pulsar]

part of the reason ive never vibed with gardening is it makes me feel like i need to be home all the time, there's so much upkeep and then it's like "oh its 3am, might as well stay til 6 and get the tick" and then theres things to harvest and put away, and then oh theres things in my crafters, and i might as well check how my worm farms are doing, and look they're doing good, i should put out all this fertilizer, and then I get distracted by something I want to change about my house while I'm home, and then all of a sudden it's 2am again and I might as well wait for the tick....

and like, I just wanna be running around mining and shooting sernuk and picking flowers bro

making things 100% on watering and weed protection helped a bit with the time I was spending at home and I'm trying to tell myself it's okay if I let a crop sit for a bit before harvesting it but 😩

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I hear you, lol, it can be a bit of a rabbit hole

Choosing crops that are more resilient to harvesting delays can help, too

...not rabbit hole, I meant hamster wheel. Wrong rodent...

[elder geyser]

Yeah I have preserved jars just making apple jam

[weary valve]

So am i understanding right you need to be at your farm to get the growth tic for your plants or can you be anywhere in the game?

[quartz siren]

is there flowtato seeds or is it one of those foraging items that u have to go looking for?

[frail escarp]

You can be anywhere

Gardening, though, have plenty of crops with short growth times (3-5 hours). When your layout is setup to maximise crop boosts, profit, and what not, you'll be constantly tending to them to harvest and replant. So for example, D3 you'll harvest/replant a carrot, D4 you harvest onions, D5 you harvest/replant corn, then D6 carrot comes back with onions returning on D8.

After that you'll be inserting your crops for processing and you kinda do this nearly every hour if you want an active garden

[cosmic osprey]

How do i make the garden planner show the days when to harvest?

[weary valve]

Ahhh okay. I just unlocked preserve jars. and am looking for a good farm layout for good profit
have been using this one https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTOBkCrRORP-BkPTRCrRTOBk-OBkP.HRCrTPRO-TRBkPCrOBkRT-PTPRCrRPBkP-TRBkOCrPBkRT-ORPTCrRP.HBkO-BkOTRCrRTPBk-PRORCrBkOTP.H

Not sure if there are better ones?

[frail escarp]

Ah, that feature is yet to be re-added. I'm aiming to re-implement the old method next week.
However, if you click the magnifying icon and click on a crop, it'll show the days a crop is harvestable after planting

[cosmic osprey]

Thanks you the man

[frail escarp]

Ah, not too knowledgeable on the latest profit layouts myself, much less with new crops. Will need someone else to comment on this 🙂‍↕️

[frail escarp]

Oh darn, okay I guess the code for Batterfly Beans wasn't a good idea. I'll get it changed soon. Making a self note to never do duplicate letters for a crop

[finite bison]

JESUS, what Am I?, swimming in ||infected essence||??? LMAO, time to switch out some of these with spicy peppers

[steel flicker]

My updated auto-garden. Every crop has weed prevention and water retain. Every crop is also present. (except lettuce because no bonus and no recipes)

[neat vortex]

tbh, as much as I respect Adain, I've never had that tool produce a layout I would actually plant

[neat vortex]

Unless you're DuhScape and carefully choosing your crops with an eye toward being able to go as long as humanly possible without so much as LOOKING at your garden XD

(Yes, that's something you can optimize for! Though gold revenue does tend to suffer for it.)

[robust lance]

Everyone minmaxxing their garden meanwhile me just grinning like a doofus because BEANSSSSS

[floral talon]

... i was mentioned

[floral talon]

looks very promising i would swap the bottom left cotton for the bottom right corn though
and its a shame the apple aint harvy boosted 😦

[floral talon]

i didnt know u are indian

[steel flicker]

The apples yield a lot for me, so I don't mind not swimming in apples for jams and pies

[floral talon]

and honey lures

congratz on making the perfect layout for yourself 👍

[steel flicker]

thanks! I also rarely use honey lures. not the biggest bug fan

[floral talon]

ok time to make a layout to stockup on pumpkins and beans wiht ...

[steel flicker]

just plant nothing but pumpkins and beans with that good speedy grow

[floral talon]

no way speedy grow is like expensive

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-BbBbPmBbBbPmCrCrCr-PmBbBbPmBbBbCrPmPm-CrPmPmCrPmPmCrBbBb-PmPmBbPmPmBbBbBbCr-BbPmPmBbCrBbPmPmBb-CrBbBbBbPmPmBbPmPm-BbBbCrPmPmCrPmPmCr-PmPmCrBbBbPmBbBbPm-CrCrCrPmBbBbPmBbBb_D15L25

logic of this one is i just need beans and pumpkins and will run it once cuz pumpkins is as buffless as spicypeppers to me

ok now since i am lazy its time to put water retain fert on it all

[mystic skiff]

Him guys I'm looking for some help for a garden layout that's got crops that can be harvested and replantes mostly at the same day, of each other. (they can also be interchangeanle idk the right word, where plant a finishes first but if I replant plant a, it'll be ready to harvest by the time plant b or c are.

[floral talon]

u just want in sync harvest and replant?

[mystic skiff]

Yeah synx thats ghe word

I dint have pumpkins seeds yet tho

[floral talon]

ok so the rice bokchoi carrots always line up as 3
wheat onion 4
potato corn as 5
tomato is weird 4 6 8 10
cabbage 6
apple 12 18 24 30
i forgot pepper blueberry beans pumpkin times

so i recommend writing down their times and see which plants you want to use

in before update 3 day plants 5 day 6 day and apples were really nice for me

[vivid vortex]

Does anyone know if there’s an upgraded crop layout to incorporate pumpkins?

[pearl oasis]

figured I'd share this absolutely unhinged garden layout I just came up with- this layout is not intended for maximum profit, but rather maximizing crop variety/harvest while also having harvest boost + weed protect + auto-water on all 2x2 and 3x3 crops (without fertilizer)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-CoRPmRPPmSSC-PmCbAPmBkABbBbA-AATAABkAAP-SSCbCrBkBWOB-BbBbBBTBBBbBb-BOWBBkCrCbSS-PAABkAATAA-ABbBbABkPmACbPm-CSSPmPRPmRCo

(A more fertilizer-friendly version can be found here: #🌱│gardening message)

[floral talon]

ok thats one of them fixed

[neat vortex]

lordy, how many bushes did you cram in there? 0_0

I'm counting eight?!

[mystic skiff]

That must be a real peach to process all the different crops. . 😭

[neat vortex]

Yeah, this is why I generally tend to prefer swap-outs

But I feel like a lot of folks who run everything gardens in earnest don't tend to actively replant them, but only harvest and replant when they need to restock on something

[floral talon]

yes its for poeple who use it as a fridge or do 0 stockpiling

now im working on QRcode4 layout

[pearl oasis]

I did say it was unhinged LOL

[neat vortex]

Big round of applause for you!

[pearl oasis]

it'd have 100% harvest boost if I got rid of the cotton but I wanted to include at least 2 of every crop

[neat vortex]

I wonder if it's even possible to 100% water/weed it with fertilizer...

[pearl oasis]

I could probably figure out a way to adjust it to make it possible 🤔

[neat vortex]

Oh, could you edit in the layout URL in your post with the image?

You can use the Save button in the bottom left

[pearl oasis]

Done

[neat vortex]

Thanks so much :D

[pearl oasis]

actually that might be slightly off, I was trying to fit fertilizer in myself lol
let me remove them and re-edit the link

alright, done

[neat vortex]

I just KNOW that one of these days someone is going to come in asking for a layout with a heavy emphasis on reharvestable crops, and I will be able to search the channel for "unhinged" and send it to them XD

[pearl oasis]

yeah I figure someone would love my unhinged garden design xD

[floral talon]

it has uses cooks lots of varitey does maintenance on garden for htose poeple this is perfect

ITS FINISHED
its ALIVE ALIVE
hte ultymate everything garden is completed its so perfect so bueatifull

[neat vortex]

This is 1 tree, 4 bushes, right?

[floral talon]

but further improvements are possible 😮

i reckon a max theoritical improvement is 2 less weedblock fert on not the weedblock fert on ur precious bushes so u can just ignore that storebought fert on some random plant smal chance of it getting weed and u could just not care about that 1-2 tiles

[floral talon]

no way
impossible
i have created the literally perfect layout wow even im amazed at my own achivement this time

nvm i forgot to add peppers

mh maybe i can reduce the total fertiliser consumption by 2 HB

nope i cant without increasing the weedblock though if someone wants a variation with less HB and more WB i got that to 😄 could be better int heory but this is simpler

[weary valve]

haia just a quick question on garden layout ive been using this one. and i just unlocked preserve jars https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTOBkCrRORP-BkPTRCrRTOBk-OBkP.HRCrTPRO-TRBkPCrOBkRT-PTPRCrRPBkP-TRBkOCrPBkRT-ORPTCrRP.HBkO-BkOTRCrRTPBk-PRORCrBkOTP.H

with the new crops is there a better more profitable layout or is the math still mathing on all those?

[neat vortex]

Do you have a sense of how many growth ticks your garden tends to get in a real-life day?

Also, how many crafter slots have you unlocked?

[weary valve]

I just unlocked my 14th all but 5 of them are used for seedmakers currently but can be changed.

[weary valve]

Do you know off hand how many irl hours per growth tic?

[neat vortex]

One tick every IRL hour at 6AM Palia time (24 hours in Palia time = 60 minutes real time)

[weary valve]

Ahh okay more recently since ive got a lot to catch up on since i havent played since early closed beta (ran into a bug that stopped me from progressing)
I would say the last few days ive been playing wour 6-8 hours a day currently

[neat vortex]

Hmm. Layouts using the new crops tend to require a fair amount of fertilizer (because 2x2 crops are annoying), which leaves you unable to use QualityUp fertilizer on most crops.

The advantage of your layout (the Bullseye) is that all but 4 of the plants are harvest boosted through companion planting buffs. This leaves you free to dump QU on everything but those 4.

At level 8, you still benefit significantly from the fertilizer, as long as you can keep production up.

With your current layout, to keep up with 8 growth ticks per day, a bullseye with that much rice would need 13 seed collectors (5 for bok choy, 4 for potatoes, 4 for rice) and 7 jars (3 for tomatoes, 2 for onions, 2 for corn), total of 20 crafter slots dedicated to gardening.

That said, you can almost certainly get away with fewer seed collectors if you regularly participate in sushi or sashimi for-profit parties. Those parties use up a LOT of rice very quickly, and are also excellent money.

[floral talon]

amity reminded me to remath the math this would be easier if hte gardenplanner wasnt changed so much

[neat vortex]

Not counting the cooking, that set of crafters will also pull in about 1,521g per hour -- perhaps a little less if you end up with more unstarred crops than expected, or if your seedmakers stall out sometimes and sit idle. (Rice is especially bad about this.)

I don't think I can beat that figure even using beans, lol

[weary valve]

I didnt know about the cooking parties for the rice. but Yea ive noticed seed making time is def a long. So i just need to make more money and get more crafting licenses to keep up with it all

[floral talon]

a few epicfish or maw cooking partys would get u there asap

[neat vortex]

Yeah, a 4-bean layout would need (oof) 28 crafters because you'd be dealing with split crops (some starred, some not). Plus this layout also wants 29 units of HB fertilizer per growth tick.

For all those crafters, it still comes in under the Bullseye at 1,514g per real hour.

[floral talon]

how would a 4 bean layout need that much fertiliser

[weary valve]

When it comes to fertilizer for star qual does it need to be applied for the full growth cycle or can it be placed 1 on each and be find?

[neat vortex]

It needs to be on the plant for every growth tick.

Ah, alright, QU on the beans bumps it to 1,620/hr.

Yeah, beans seem to be pretty much ideal for people with low playtimes, even more than bok choy (which is still very good at high playtimes as long as you don't try to run too many tiles of it at once)

[weary valve]

Whats the ideal playtime for either one of those?

[neat vortex]

I think beans are best for folks who can only log in every other day or every 3 days. They're pretty prolific (produce a lot of the crop in a relatively short number of growth ticks), but a full seedmaker hopper of 31 beans will run for 62 hours (2.5 days) without stalling or running dry (and adds 50g of value per hour the whole time)

meanwhile, rice stalls out after 11.2 hours (16 rice) if you don't clear the output bin

[weary valve]

Ahhh okay.

[neat vortex]

Very easy to end up with a rice backlog lol

[weary valve]

no kidding. its already happening

[neat vortex]

Get thee to a sushi or sashimi party XD

[weary valve]

Then i have to cook XD and be social

[neat vortex]

Not that social... sashimi honestly moves so fast that most people don't have enough time to type anything

(less than 30s per round, typically)

But, it's true, it's a With People activity

If you're ending up way way overstocked on rice, and going to cooking parties really sounds unpleasant, you might want to switch it out for more corn or something, and replace your current corn tiles with wheat (for focus food)

[weary valve]

I had noticed some cooking recipes needing wheat and trying to figure out how i would fit that in. Im only level 4 cooking and could use the focus food

if i were to make the changes you mentioned how much less would i be making overall?

[floral talon]

Ur doing the social just fine rn

[neat vortex]

Everything else being the same, and assuming you keep all 9 tiles of wheat for cooking/don't process any of it, it comes out to 1,556/hr with 17 crafters (9 seed collectors, 8 jars). In reality, that's a lot of wheat XD and you'll probably need an extra 2-3 seedmakers to handle any excess wheat + your replanting seeds

[weary valve]

typing here and asking questions is totally different then having to search people out for a cooking party

plus being a moderator have to show face from time to time

[neat vortex]

It's a different process, but I'd argue that this is more social than cooking parties, which are often more about showing up to do your role and then leaving XD Some people never talk at all!

Especially with PaliaParty mediating the signups

[weary valve]

didnt know there was an app mediating signups

[neat vortex]

Yep! It's PaliaParty.app and it is where folks post parties open to anybody :)
(you can use it for invite-only parties as well, but those don't show up on the front page)

[weary valve]

ohh ill have to check it out Thank you.

[floral talon]

using that website that calls itself an app is literly less social then what ur doing here rn XD

[neat vortex]

Okay, I did the comparison:

Rice with some corn: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HT.QO.QBk.QCr.QR.QO.QR.QP.Q-Bk.QP.QT.QR.QCr.QR.QT.QO.QBk.Q-O.QBk.QP.HR.QCr.QT.QP.QR.QO.Q-T.QR.QBk.QP.QCr.QO.QBk.QR.QT.Q-P.QT.QP.QR.QCr.QR.QP.QBk.QP.Q-T.QR.QBk.QO.QCr.QP.QBk.QR.QT.Q-O.QR.QP.QT.QCr.QR.QP.HBk.QO.Q-Bk.QO.QT.QR.QCr.QR.QT.QP.QBk.Q-P.QR.QO.QR.QCr.QBk.QO.QT.QP.H_D180L8Cr0.BkS5-RS4-TP3-OP2-PS4-CrP2
Total revenue after 180 growth ticks: ~835k
Crafter output per hour: 1,521
Total processing time: 22d 21h (for 180 growth ticks of harvest, remember... lol)

Corn with some wheat for cooking: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HT.QO.QBk.QW.QCr.QO.QCr.QP.Q-Bk.QP.QT.QCr.QW.QCr.QT.QO.QBk.Q-O.QBk.QP.HCr.QW.QT.QP.QCr.QO.Q-T.QCr.QBk.QP.QW.QO.QBk.QCr.QT.Q-P.QT.QP.QCr.QW.QCr.QP.QBk.QP.Q-T.QCr.QBk.QO.QW.QP.QBk.QCr.QT.Q-O.QCr.QP.QT.QW.QCr.QP.HBk.QO.Q-Bk.QO.QT.QCr.QW.QCr.QT.QP.QBk.Q-P.QCr.QO.QCr.QW.QBk.QO.QT.QP.H_D180L8Cr0.BkS5-TP3-OP2-PS4-CrP3
Total revenue after 180 growth ticks: 789k
(so, about 40k gold less, spread over 22-23 RL days)
Crafter output per hour: 1,556
Total processing time: 21d 3h

[weary valve]

How is the total price being calculated? is that total for the whole harvest when everything is done processing?

would also need to reliably be able to get QU fert

[neat vortex]

Yep. (For my alt, that was cakes in a glow worm farm, lol, but they did a lot of bug catching + hunting + crafting the fertilizer to get things off the ground)

I used pretty much exactly this layout for them, haha... (the rice version). SO MANY seedmakers.

[weary valve]

Ohh i forgot it can also be crafted. o but yea meat and bugs hmm

[floral talon]

what did u mean with the banhammer emote that im getting on ur nerfs or just a joke?

[weary valve]

Oh just a joke

😄

for calling me out

[floral talon]

pfew i got banned so often from stuff thinking the mods were joking XD

[weary valve]

oh no haha

Well thank yall for talking me though all that. lots to look over and think which way i want to go about it. regardless i need more seed makers and preserve jars

[little kettle]

Okay so I see a lot of guides for 25+ but nothing for 10-25, after playing around with garden planner these are some layouts i've come up with.

The goal is high margin while collecting fruits for cakes/easy layouts.

Does anyone have any recommendations? (Remember level 10)

(These can be furthered by seed/preserves)

[neat vortex]

In my opinion, gardening is most powerful as a passive income source that runs while you are doing other things, so I tend to emphasize "AFK" layouts that grow without needing to be tended every hour.

Unfortunately, this usually means that while I prefer symmetry or repeating patterns where possible, both to make planting easier to execute and to make the layout easier to quickly inspect visually, really simple lines and blocks will not do what I want — so I'm unlikely to be much help on that front XD You'll have to decide where you're willing to compromise.

I can recommend a linear layout with 3 apples and 2 bushes, though, if the Garden Cube is what is giving you trouble.

[little kettle]

so prioritize weed+water proofing so i can just collect all be it less profit but way less work and just collect every couple in game days?

[floral talon]

its also pretty hard to cook without a garden

[little kettle]

well i have a small group i play with so was focused perhaps too much on fruits for cakes 😅

[untold plank]

does anyone have any garden layouts for pumpkins?

[grand cedar]

Does anyone happen to have a beginner friendly layout ??

[floral talon]

which buffs do u want

[grand cedar]

Mm not really sure lol just low maintenance I guess

[viscid socket]

anyone seeing this issue, where some of the 2x2 crops keep moving off-center from where they should be?

[dusk cliff]

Is there a good layout for profit that doesn’t take a month irl to see the benefits from? 😂 I enjoy gardening and am too shy to join random cake parties 😅

[neat vortex]

Yeah, visual glitch :) If you water them they go back lol

[viscid socket]

thanks, glad it's not just me! lol

[floral talon]

see above could send ones with cotton for buffing quality uif ur lower level

[grand cedar]

Thank you so much 😊 you are very kind

[floral talon]

i decided to send the most basic one htere is to keep thigns simple but its by no menas best for lwoer level as u benefit greatly from quality up

[neat vortex]

Depends on your amount of playtime how fast your crops grow, but the Bullseye (like we were just discussing a bit above: #🌱│gardening message ) sees results pretty quickly since they're mostly fast-growing crops and self-maintaining. You could start getting money in the morning if you plant it today and stay on a few hours until your first harvest and replant

[pearl oasis]

Made some modifications to my previous "everything garden" design to allow for near-total weed/water fertilizer coverage, at the cost of losing out on the ability to plant 2 of every crop- I was unable to include rice and cotton, though you can technically fit rice in by swapping it in place of the corn or wheat.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-T.YAAO.WAACb.YAA-AO.WSAT.YSABB-ST.YBk.WSCr.WP.YC.YPmPm-CBkBbWT.YBbPmPmO.Y-BbBBBbPBbBBBb-O.YPmPmBbT.YWBbBkC-PmPmC.YP.YCr.WSBk.WT.YS-BBAST.YASO.WA-AACb.YAAO.WAAT.Y

[sharp wind]

how do i get pumpkin seeds? i legit am struggling so hard

[floral talon]

potionshop (may have to unlock it with some quests though)

[floral talon]

this is actually quiet impressive

[pearl oasis]

I'm actually amazed I managed to pull this off while including 2 of both apple trees and every bush tbh xD

[floral talon]

i do seriously doubt the practical usefullnes of such a layout but if someone needs it it exists now XD ps u forgot water retain on the middle potato

[pearl oasis]

it couldnt fit both fertilizers so it didnt get any at all >>
but yes, someone could absolutely throw water retain on it and have 100% water coverage that way

[floral talon]

its just hte odds of only a single plant getting a weed is super low anyways before u harvest something in whiuch case um ight as well pickup hte knapweed

[pearl oasis]

fair lol
tbh I wasnt actually thinking of actually planting this when I was puzzling out how to accomplish it, I just wanted to see if it could be done

[floral talon]

cool cuz otherwise i have to ask what do u even use it for XD

[hearty scroll]

How do i get more of the soil plots?

[floral talon]

buy from badruuu or the cash register next ot his home i forgot which one
can get 9 max

[lyric spade]

Is there a way to pick which direction the bean trellises go? Mine are all over the place and it’s making my brain itch because they’re not in a consistent pattern 😢

[past aurora]

What's the best crop to plant for gold that sells best in seeds or pickled I haven't unlocked apples yet only farming lvl 9

[slate kayak]

I wish we got more than 9 soil plots. I just want to turn my area into a giant farm.

[past aurora]

I'm planting potatoes atm and turning them into seeds but is there something better ?

[polar igloo]

I would assume it's either dependent on the tile you aim at while placing, or maybe the rotation of the soil patch

Mine are sadly full so I can't test it myself

I'm always looking in the same direction as well as aiming at the same 1/4 square when I plant my bbs/peppers, and they seem to be the same every time

[white burrow]

Are beans or pumpkins more profitable 👀 Trying to help @remote copper figure out how to optimize his garden

I feel like it's bean because you get way more?

[lyric spade]

Doesn’t seem to matter which was j stand or face they are just random. It’s making me crazy haha

[polar igloo]

It would be weird if they're truly random given it doesn't seem to happen with other crops, but I wouldn't put it past them that they forgot to check the logic that determines which way they place

You could still try re-placing your soil in case it helps, otherwise we can just hope they notice it and do something about it, lol

[dusk cliff]

I’d love to be able to just dig anywhere on my plot and plant 😭

[slate kayak]

I know right!! Let me have an apple orchard dang it!!!

[neat vortex]

Decorative crops would be nice! like if you could use a few apple seeds and get a fake apple tree that you can't harvest lol

[neat vortex]

Beans by a very wide margin if you have the crafter time to process them into seeds

[wide marten]

This one bean refusing to be planted in the right orientation. 😐

[neat vortex]

That would drive me up the wall

But I'm pretty sure it's based on rotation of the plot of soil

[wide marten]

Ohh good to know. 😄 I guess I can fix it at some point when these have grown out.

[warped yoke]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-PmPmBbPmPmBbCbPCb-BbAABbAATAA-ABBABBATCb-SSBbSSBbCCbBk-BbSSBbSSROCb-TPWAAAAAA-CrPCbTPmPmPPmPm-TCbWBbBbPmBbBbPm-AAAPmPOPmTO_NrcGbL50Cr0.BkP-CP-TP-OP-WS-CrP-PP-CbP3-SP-BbP-BP-PmP-AP-RS

w the new crops and one of each other (exept cotton) + water retain enjoy

[drifting epoch]

how many soil plots can we have?

[sharp stirrup]

Does anyone have a good layout for 1 row soil?

[abstract fulcrum]

9 total

[neat vortex]

1 row meaning only 3, or all 9 in a line?

[sharp stirrup]

3 in a line!

[drifting epoch]

is that still the same as it was when the game first came out?

[sharp stirrup]

I made my garden look pretty with decor etc, and have 3 rows of 3 soil plots, and I don´t want to mess it up just to gain more crops etc.
But most layouts I find are the 9 plots together yk

[drifting epoch]

i wish we could have more by now

[abstract fulcrum]

My garden plots are spread out for more of decorational look so i cant use the optimal layouts so i feel u

[sharp stirrup]

yesss thats my problem too haha

[neat vortex]

Yeah, geometrically speaking, the 9x9 Garden Cube is the best way to get the most buffs on the most crops, but if you're willing to be creative, you can do 3x9 as well

[sharp stirrup]

I´m not that good with this entire gardening thing, so what stats should I focus on while using the garden planner?
Do you guys go more on quality, or more crops etc.?

[neat vortex]

Here's one easy option that's fairly pretty imo:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111_CR-T.HPOBkR.HBkO.HPT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TBkO.HPR.HPOBkT.H

[sharp stirrup]

ohh bless u!! I will try this one!

[neat vortex]

That depends on your gardening level, because as you level up, you gain access to starred seeds (via the seedmaker) and also your chance of getting starred seeds goes up, so you stop needing the Quality Boost buff. Past about level 10 I would not bother with it anymore, as you get more benefit from harvest boost.

[sharp stirrup]

I have gardening on level 18 so that would be no problem right?

[neat vortex]

My usual priority order is:

1. water retain
2. weed prevention
3. harvest boost
4. quality boost if under level 10, or optionally from level 10-25

and always prioritize planting starred seeds

[neat vortex]

Yeah, for you I'd use the priority order I just posted. The reason why I prioritize the water and weed buffs is that in my experience, for myself they result in "faster" growing crops because of far less chance of missed growth ticks due to bad timing or distraction. Harvest boost can't help you if you aren't getting the growth ticks in.

If you are one of those people who is very very good at doing things at the same time every hour on the dot, and always knows what time it is, and also really enjoys repetitive tasks, then in that case you may be able to skip those and have a manually-tended garden.

But in my experience, a lot of people will say "oh yeah I don't mind that!" ...and then a few weeks to a month later, I hear faint complaints on the wind ;)

But as always, know thyself.

And, you know, sometimes you just want your garden to look a certain way, and that gives you more joy than "productivity" or making gold, and that is A-OK! Any garden layout that makes you happy and does what you need it to do is a good garden layout.

[neat vortex]

btw this one can also go around corners in an L shape :D

(I use a linear layout, myself, because I constantly get disoriented in a Garden Cube)

Linear layouts struggle a LOT with bushes, though

I finally was able to get one worked out (with help from this channel) that has all 9 plots in a line and fits 2 apple trees and 2 bushes, but whoof

this is the bush component for 3 garden plots:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111_CR-O.HBkT.HPW.HPT.HBkO.H-O.HBkCbPBb.HBb.HCbBb.HBb.H-T.HPO.HBkW.HBkOPT.H

[sharp stirrup]

Thank you sooo so much!!
Yea I get easily distracted while farming so no manual for me XD
I will do the layout from your picture, it seems way more effiecent than my sad attempts with the garden planner 😄

Thx for your help!!<3

[neat vortex]

You're most welcome!

[sharp stirrup]

why did I never thought of that haha xD looks pretty

[neat vortex]

The two cabbages can be something else if you want, just play around with the water retain plants :)

[sharp stirrup]

thank you for the tip, I will try my best to be a good plant mom now hahah 😄

[neat vortex]

I just found that putting a singular tomato on that center plot (on that left side, next to the other potato) offended my aesthetic sensibilities somehow 😂

Maybe next to a bean frame it wouldn't stick out so hard

(This is the two-bushes version of my linear garden:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkCbPB.HB.HCbB.HB.H-P.HCbO.HBkW.HBkOCbP-CbPO.HB.HB.HBkB.HB.HCb-O.HBkTPW.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H )

obviously it can also accommodate peppers or pumpkins, if needed (just need to add more HB fertilizer)

[sharp stirrup]

ohh what a creative layout!
looks pretty effiecent 😮

[neat vortex]

It does use a ton of fertilizer to make up for the number of corners and edges, and it's a little low on grain crops, but it works for my brain :)

Normally I run the 3-apple version, which is just the first 3-plot layout I sent you repeated 3 times, basically, lol

[sharp stirrup]

Yea I used that one now 3 times too haha 😄

[sharp stirrup]

btw whats the best way to get the harvestboost fertilizer? I thought through the wormfarms but that drops the quality fertilizer

[neat vortex]

Sweet things give quality boost, savory things give harvest boost.

The amount of worms and fertilizer scales with the sell value of the thing you feed them. Basically, you get half the value back as worms, half as fertilizer - with minimum amounts of each.

Cheap option

If you want CHEAP harvest boost fertilizer (basically free, if you sell or use the glow worms), feed your glow worms anything savory worth under 25 gold.

• Items worth 15g and under produce 1 glow worm (25g) and 3 HB fertilizer (5g each, so 15g) = 40g of stuff
• Items worth 16-25g produce 1 glow worm and 4 HB fertilizer = 45g of stuff
  Cheap items will easily run for 31 hours (a completely full hopper) without stopping and still have room to store up to 300 fertilizer in the output bin.

Farming-only option

If you don't do enough foraging to keep up your supply, or just aren't producing fertilizer fast enough sometimes, you can also feed pickled onions to REGULAR worms. Starred pickled onions produce 9 HB fertilizer each and will also finish a hopper without the output bin jamming (as long as you empty it before putting more in).

Fast option

If you need a LOT of harvest boost fertilizer in a short amount of time (i.e., when getting your fertilizer stacks up initially) and don't mind if it costs more, you can feed your glow worms savory items that are worth more.

• If you're a solo player, I recommend grilled common and uncommon glow worm fish as the lowest-effort way to get a dish worth a few hundred gold.
• If you go to cooking parties regularly, any of the rare/epic fish dishes or muujin Bahari will put out a bunch of fertilizer (exact amount depends on sell value).
  Check Arenvanya's specific dish sheets on the Fertilizer Outcomes spreadsheet (linked in the pins) for more details on how much.

Warning: the glow worm farms WILL jam after processing only a few high-value items, so you can't necessarily leave them to run overnight and have them continue to produce.

ugh I must be tired, I'm extra-wordy today

[sharp stirrup]

woaaa, I never knew it depended on what u feed them and that the worth plays a role!! Playing Palia for 1 year now and I learn everyday something new 😄
Tysm for the effort and the infos!

[neat vortex]

Happy to help :)

lol someday I should copy and paste all these rambles into a document or something

but then nobody would read it <_<
I think a lot of people's eyes already glaze over with my walls of text, not that I blame them XD

Also... those new mushrooms that are EVERYWHERE in Elderwood, and that you also get from hunting? Those are probably the cheapest thing you can feed the glow worms right now, and they still give 3 HB fert each.

[sharp stirrup]

damn, I sold sooo many bc my inventory was flooded with them xD

[neat vortex]

hahaha

Super nice when chucking them to the worms overnight turns 8g into 40, huh? XD

or however much they are worth, can't check right now

[sharp stirrup]

I used the Floatfish Mushroom now, thats worth 9g

staircase too

[neat vortex]

For me the floatfish ones are waaaay too hard to get, haha, I'm saving those until I know what they're used for...

[sharp stirrup]

oh really? sometimes I see like 6 on the same tree 😮

[neat vortex]

Yeah, they aren't rare exactly, but oh lord all that climbing lol

I think I need to get better at "traversal" :P

[lapis ledge]

Hey everyone! Im looking for a layout with the new crops, possibly 100% water and 100% no weed. So far i only found 100% water ones. Question: if i dont have weed prevention 100%, will the weedy plants still grow normally? Tia ❤️

[neat vortex]

No, weeds block plant growth and will de-water them as well.

[neat vortex]

There are a bunch of options for these if you scroll up through the past couple days! You can search this channel for has:image or has:link to filter them out

But let me go dig mine out :)

[neat vortex]

AFK Layouts for New Crops (Beans and Pumpkins)

Layout-wise, Batterfly Beans can replace Blueberries and Rockhopper Pumpkin can replace Spicy Peppers with no changes. Any of the bushes can be interchangeable if you are willing to fill in harvest boost (or quality boost, I guess) on the surrounding crops with fertilizer. As a result plenty of OLDER layouts will work well!

These are all 100% water/weed without store-bought fertilizer and can achieve 100% harvest boost with HB fertilizer added.

For newer players (ideally with seed makers unlocked) here's a 4-bean bullseye by Yexol:
#🌱│gardening message
(can be adapted to also include pumpkins, with more fertilizer)

"Everything garden" with 2 apple trees and 2 bushes:
#🌱│gardening message

3-plot layout for one bush:
#🌱│gardening message

Not by me, but this is an "everything garden" with 1 apple tree and 4 bush slots by Astrea Moreno:
#🌱│gardening message

2-apple, 4-bush Everything Garden layout by Tarina (3rd link in post)
#💬│elderwood message

More to come, and more have been posted by other people if you search! For example, DuhScape has his "QR code" layout, but it is not 100% weedblock without fertilizer. #🌱│gardening message

[mint sandal]

Here's the version with the actual beans and pumpkins in where I also move a few crops around to make it more symmetrical cause I love me a symmetrical layout lol
#🌱│gardening message

[short pawn]

Just come back from a long break.. are we still putting bok choi and tomatoes in seeders? What's the best to can now?

[dim pulsar]

very new player here , any tipps how to start gardening to make some prpfit on the side ? i only have 9 bok chois on 1 tile so far and used the quality upnfertilizer on them

[neat vortex]

Bok choy is a great start!

Other good cash crops are potatoes, tomatoes, and rice. If you want a self-watering, self-weeding garden, you'll need 1 more weedblock crop in addition to bok choy, either carrots or onions.

You can buy additional garden soil plots, which will help you level gardening faster, from Badruu once you hit level 2 and unlock the gardening guild store. They're pretty cheap, so buy up to the maximum 9 as soon as you can afford to.

After that, start investing in crafter licenses at city hall, because once you hit level 5 gardening you will unlock the seed collector. You'll want to process as much of your crops as you can before selling them so they are worth more money.

The preserves jar unlocks at level 8 and can be used to process everything except bok choy, potatoes, beans (and wheat, rice, and cotton, but those won't go in the jar anyway).

Gardening's real strength is, in my opinion, that it keeps on chugging while you are busy doing other things: it is a source of passive income. So, whatever steps you can take to maximize that (investing in crafters, using layouts that need less manual tending) will help.

Oh, re: rice, you may also want to plant some wheat. Wheat is used in steak dinner, which is the most cost-effective mid-game food for solo cooking.

[dim pulsar]

so if u say whet is great how should my piles look like when i decide to also plant other crops ?

because u mentioned weedblock for example

[flat pike]

Bought my first pumpkin seed last night! (But my garden is totally planted right now, so I have to wait.)

[mystic skiff]

Quick question, weeds only grow and stop the growth of the nex in game day, when I return to the plot, and not when I login right?

Also I maxed my gardening guild coins. Need to figure out what to spend it on. Already bought the decor & well. V😪

[paper trail]

has anyone figured out profitability on pumpkins and beans re: can vs seeds?

[floral talon]

At growthtick which is 0600 paliantime when online and one time after logging out
So weedur crops logout then theres growthtick that spawns more so reweed when logging in

[neat vortex]

Seeds for beans, 100% (34g -> 135g starred)
Cans for pumpkins (101g -> 151g starred)

Note that bean seeds take 2 hours to process

But 50g/hour is still amazing, and the seedmakers won't stall (unlike with most other seeds), so it will run for 62 hours unattended

Also, because foraged bean seeds are (currently) so abundant, you don't necessarily need to even take some seeds to replant if you're level 38+ gardening :) You can just use the foraged ones and save yourself some gold.

[paper trail]

Yeah that's what I've been doing, I'm gardening 118 so it's been a long time since I've cared about star seeds

[neat vortex]

lol we'll see if the abundant drop rate of the seeds survives the next update

[floral talon]

Beans are surprisingly abundant considering how few u need to get started

[wet iron]

where can I get pumpkin seed?

[neat vortex]

From ||Tamala's potion shop in Elderwood, after you unlock it through the main story quests, bought using Infected Essence.||

[finite burrow]

can someone explain to me how fertilizer works? when I use it and its gone the next day was it wasted? can i stack on multiple days? what exacly happens how does it work?

[neat vortex]

Explainer post here, let me know if still questions :)
#🌱│gardening message

[quick stream]

Did they increase how many soil plots we can have with them adding two new crops or is it still just 9?

[floral talon]

9

[quick stream]

Dang, was hoping they'd give us some more

[floral talon]

dont think they will balancereasons and otherwise u have tons of maintenance on ur garden XD

[quick stream]

With the right crop arrangement you water it once and then you can forget about it for a while

[floral talon]

yes but reseeding and harvesting is also work

[quick stream]

Fair fair

[subtle ocean]

hey fellow gardeners, has anyone figured out a layout with 100% weedblock 100% water retain and holds every plant? or is it looking impossible

this doesnt contain an apple tree

but ty

thankyou!

Here's the layout I just made for every crop with 100% water retain 100% weed prevention (It's not very optimized for growth speed but if you're like me you just want everything and don't care how it grows) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-PCOTOCrOBkP-TCbTRCRCbBkCb-OCPCrOTPBkO-BkBBCbBBPSS-AAAAAAAAA-BbBbBkBbBbCbPmPmP-OSSCTWCoPC-BkTBkCPCOTO-PmPmOWTCCPCo_D180L25Cr0.RS-BkS5-CP-TP2-OP-WS-PS3-CrP-BbS2-CbP-SP-BP-AP2-PmP

[floral talon]

ia ctually have a better one

[subtle ocean]

Nice layouts, although I'm a fan of set it and forget it because I don't like any sorta maintaining (even harvest boost fert) and I genuinely mean I want every crop like even cotton which I know people hate putting on these gardens

[open river]

wheres todays loot piles in the elderwoods?

[neat vortex]

#💬│elderwood

[floral talon]

its just unles u specifically need starred cotton for that literly 1 recipe its absolutely not worth it to include cotton in an everything layout cuz it has sucha high cost to it
mh maybe i should run cotton once craft a ton of that one furniture and then im good with never planting it again buying fabric/cotton directly

[floral talon]

elderwoods has lootpiles and those are a gardening hting?

[neat vortex]

You don't even need starred for that one recipe

[floral talon]

really i though it did

[neat vortex]

If all you have is starred, it will display starred, that's all

But if you have unstarred, it will use it

[subtle ocean]

I guess it's just more of a preference thing with me cause I'd rather grow/craft it into something and I'm not in it for the profits I just genuinly enjoy having all my plants and serving functions with it (maybe it's some sorta OCD immersion)

[floral talon]

oh so thats why ok cotton is the most useless corp in the game besides for early

[open river]

crap sorry I pressed the wrong channel lolll

[floral talon]

wel if ur goal is to self sufficient at all cost then sure i gues u could modifiy one of the 2 i send replace some corn or rice with cotton to have the best of all worlds it would just be abit higher harvest boost hten urs i think unles ur love urs i just try to minmax everyhting

[floral talon]

i mean is it those things that u hoe cuz that woudl technically make it gartdening lol

[topaz girder]

should i pickle apples or turn into seeds

[open river]

pickle apples, but keep enough to make seeds outta, once you get enough starred apples, make them into starred seeds, so you can plant them and keep getting starred apples, which you can make into more starred seeds and starred jams :3

so its like a feedback system for starred apples :3

[topaz girder]

ok cool, just making sure im doing this right lol i want max profit

thank you so much!

[pearl oasis]

back with another garden layout, this one has 100% weed block and 100% retain without needing fertilizer- has 2 apples, 1 of each bush, and at least 2 of every 1x1 crop except cotton. 2x2 and 3x3 crops all have harvest boost by default, can optionally fertilize the rest if you wish for full harvest boost coverage.
If you absolutely must have a cotton plant, you can replace one of the rice plots- you will still have 100% weed block and retain, but you will require 2 additional harvest fertilizer if you wish to have 100% harvest boost too.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-O.HTWC.HCb.HOT.HP.HC-AAAAAAAAA-PTR.HOCBkBbBbCb-Bk.HSSO.HSSTBB-CbPCrBkO.HBkCrPCb-BbBbTPmPmO.HPmPmBk.H-CbBBBkCOR.HTP-AAAAAAAAA-CP.HT.HOCb.HC.HWTO.H

[floral talon]

thats actually a really good layout if u made this well done

[pearl oasis]

yeah I just finished making it a few minutes ago lol

[floral talon]

wel well well now i have competition as a layout maker 😉

[pearl oasis]

See the layout I just linked above- it doesn't include a cotton plant by default, but you can swap out one of the rice plants to fit cotton in that way and still maintain 100% water retain + 100% weed block without fertilizer 👍

[ivory gale]

Hello everyone! I am looking for a 100% water retain layout with the new elderwood stuff. I don't have apples or blueberries yet cause I'm a slacker and haven't leveled gardening... hahaha. Any layouts would be awesome.

[stoic quiver]

hello guys! im new to the game looking ot make some money. is it good to sell my crops on their own? or make it into food and then sell?

[wet iron]

awww long way to go for me...I don't even know which of my main quest unlocks it.Do I need to have high level of friendship with her?

[wet iron]

does anyone has guide /layout for gardening coz I dont know which plant gives water retain and plants that avoid weeds

[neat vortex]

Whoah, great work!

[neat vortex]

The top of the garden planner (linked in the pins and linked all the time in the channel) has a filter up at the top! Here, Water Retain is selected.
You can also find a list in Arenvanya's Guide to Gardening, also linked in the pins.

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you?

[wet iron]

thank you very much 🙂

[wet iron]

28

[neat vortex]

Oh, wow, that wasn't the answer I expected! You've been slogging it the hard way all this time, huh?

[wet iron]

hahahaha yup

[neat vortex]

Okay, so you could pretty much plant anything you wanted. What do you want your garden to do for you?

[wet iron]

water retain and the weed prevention its so annoying lol.And I really want to find out how to get the pumkin seed

[neat vortex]

Ahhh darnit, I just realized that this layout can't support 4 sets of beans without fertilizing two of them, because "buddy, not a twin" - mandatory blueberries 😩 but still really darn good, even if it's a little low on grain tiles.

[neat vortex]

Pumpkin seed is from Tamala's potion shop, unlocked by questing in Elderwood

[wet iron]

oh dang my quest atm is troubled waters,I hope it is close to that quest

[neat vortex]

Can't talk about details in here because I'd like to avoid potential spoilers, so please check in with#💬│elderwood to ask more about it :)

[neat vortex]

We can do that, most likely. What kinds of things do you want to grow? Stuff for cooking (focus? profit?), solo play, grow all the things just in case...?

[wet iron]

solo play and yes for profit I need money 🙂

[neat vortex]

How many hours do you tend to play each day (roughly)/days per week?

[wet iron]

I stopped playing for quite long,I just got back yesterday,but I play like 6 to 8hrs a day

[neat vortex]

Okay, hm, so not a bean-heavy layout.

(beans are VERY powerful but they take a very long time to process, so they're best for players who mostly play on the weekend or something more spread out)

(lol sorry, realized I was extremely hungry and went to grab a snack)

[mint sandal]

#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Okay, in that case, I'm sure you've got a lot to take care of in terms of quests and things to catch up with :)

Here's one possible suggestion:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOR-OPTBbBbBkBbBbO-R.HBkT.HPO.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPO.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPO.HPT.HBkR.H-OBbBbBkBbBbTPO-ROBkPT.HPBk.HOR.H_D180L25Cr0.BkS5-OP2-TP2-PS4-AP3-BbS5-RS2

It's my "All the Everything" layout, modified to emphasize solo processing profit and to generally be an all-rounder. It can support any kind of crop with some substitutions, so feel free to play around with the planner.

It includes 2 bean plants, but if you need to grow pumpkins, peppers, or blueberries, they can be subbed in.

The onions can be carrots instead, if you prefer, but I like onions because it's easy to feed the pickled onions into a regular worm farm to produce harvest boost fertilizer.

Rice can be any of the 3 grains (rice, wheat, or corn). Corn may be a good choice if you are not able to tend your garden as frequently, and would be processed in a preserves jar instead of seedmakers.

I included apples because they are useful for reducing the amount of labor required and good at just chugging along while you're busy elsewhere.

[wet iron]

thank you 🙂

[pearl oasis]

I need to get to bed, but if you list exactly what you're hoping to accomplish (4 sets of beans and what else?) I can see about coming up with something tomorrow
If you don't care about 100% water retain/weedblock on the 1x1 crops, you could probably adapt one of my previous designs for additional beans, just swap out the chili peppers and you can have 4 #🌱│gardening message

(edit: I managed 6 with the fertilizer friendly version, just swapped out all the pumpkins and chilis)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-T.YAAO.WAACb.YAA-AO.WBbAT.YBbABB-BbT.YBk.WBbCr.WP.YC.YBbBb-CBkBbWT.YBbBbBbO.Y-BbBBBbPBbBBBb-O.YBbBbBbT.YWBbBkC-BbBbC.YP.YCr.WBbBk.WT.YBb-BBABbT.YABbO.WA-AACb.YAAO.WAAT.Y

[neat vortex]

Let me know how it goes :)

[minor cedar]

best everything no weed no water layout i've seen so far using the new stuff

[timid marlin]

I really wish we could put down single rows instead of 9 X 9

[candid cliff]

someone can make a good plan with lot of Pumpkins ?

[fast crescent]

Did they nerf the prices of pickled items again?

Cause now my potatoes and Carrots don't seel for shiz anymore.

Also, I cannot find batterfly beans

Any clue where they might be?

[mint sandal]

At the base of big trees, the unchoppable ones. Idk if it's specific big trees though

[fast crescent]

I can't seem to find any. They must be hiding good cause wow.

[floral talon]

Potatos better to seed if u got spare craftertime

[crude viper]

Have you tried looking at around C4, C5? Or even H3, H4? It’s where I mainly found them in those two areas

[crude viper]

^

[fast crescent]

I'll check

[fast crescent]

FINALLY!

[jagged bramble]

I’m new but confused about how I should plant my seeds. I’ve bought a bunch of potatoes and tomato’s since someone said they’re good for new player income but if I plant them side by side I shouldn’t have to water them right?

Cause the soil retain?

[floral talon]

Yes but if harvestable not harvested the next growthtick they are unwatered

[verbal bridge]

I cant even figure out what half the new stuff is for 🥲

[floral talon]

Selling processing selling cooking

[verbal bridge]

I haven't gotten any pumpkins but I did at least get a few bean seeds

[floral talon]

Pumpkins are way harder to get

[dim pulsar]

new player here , just wanted to ask if somebody can recommend me a crop layout for selling crops and make profit and also if possible more leaned into wheat because i want to make alot of steak dinner which i heard is the best beginner food

[harsh gorge]

Pumpkin seeds come from Tamala eventually

So I need a quick reminder as I have been away for several months. Can you have 9 soil plots per account or per housing plot? Basically I have 9 on my primary plot but if possible would like to buy for my secondary as well

[floral talon]

No 9 total

[harsh gorge]

Thank you.

[still zenith]

what are the pumpkins good for ?, and do u seed them or preserve them ? whats the profit

[floral talon]

i think preserve but what htey are good for probably the new recieps but i havent done the math on those so im still wodnering what htey are good for myself XD

[floral talon]

anyone got a max lazy layout that dont slurp fert like hte fertslurper 3000?
i just want those sweet gainz and xp or maybe i should fertslurper 3000 without hte fertslurping ?_?

i thought maybe since beans and probs not pumpkins exist somethign beter coems along then the cozy 6 apple with fert afked

[neat vortex]

Like all 9 plots in a line? You can

[neat vortex]

If you search for images and links in this channel there are many profit layouts - search minmax for a list of suggestions not including beans. Any grain in a layout can have wheat subbed in instead usually without changing the buffs.

[slate kelp]

Hi, here have a layout with 1 case left for decorating and for new cooking stuff.
IF you cannot delete a case from your plot (bug), float them to far of 40 case with a red present or a cube block with "Flick" method for automaticly respawn at enter of your plot of your choice before you leave server.

[timid marlin]

No like 1 tile wide not the whole square 3x3

[floral talon]

if u leave 1 tile out wouldnt it make more sense to make a
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soils placement?

[neat vortex]

Oh, that would be interesting

[timid marlin]

I want to be able to put 6 appletrees with single rows around them for harvest boost , watering and weed suppresion LOL

[floral talon]

u cant then u get fertslurper 3000

this is the most possible with fert without 4 is max for 3 buffs

[timid marlin]

offset - man your smart LOL

that's exactly what I need!

[floral talon]

theres also another layout that yields 6 apples but its in a straight line and well takes a while to walk around it cuz it dont got squares pythagoras advantage

[timid marlin]

Thank you for putting this up!

[floral talon]

mh i forgot the single line requires more fert on the water retain and weedblock plants XD

made my own discord server to store all my layouts so i can insta forward em to poeple now its so ez to help them request i want bla bla
i grab blabla click forward and poof

[worn pivot]

scratch this request; I found a great layout from DuhScape

[olive pumice]

That is so smart!

[analog scarab]

Has someone posted a setup already where it's just beans and wheat/onion/potato making for max profits so I can leave the garden for few days? Like all harvest boost, and most water/weed bonus?
Just turned level 25 gardening, and I have enough of all the other ingredients except for pumpkins

[scenic crescent]

Hi does anyone know what kind of symbol this is as soon as I water does a green beetle with an arrow comes at the top left?

I found out myself with the x5 when fishing, but when pouring I don't understand this beetle symbol, which always comes as soon as I water

Hi does anyone know what kind of symbol this is as soon as I water does a green beetle with an arrow comes at the top left?

[gritty haven]

It's a glitch, it doesn't mean anything.

[scenic crescent]

Ah ok thx

[flat epoch]

Do you only get gardening xp by harvesting crops?

[neat vortex]

Correct, and all crops give the same XP per tile per growth tick

[flat epoch]

Wait, crops give xp per growth tick? So more growth days give more xp than fast growing crops?

Also do they give the xp all at once upon harvest?

[neat vortex]

Yes, all at once upon harvest.

And yep! It's 4 base XP per tile per growth tick. So single-tile, 3-day crops give 12 XP before focus bonus, and single-tile, 5-day crops give 20 XP before focus bonus.

Multiharvest crops give the amount of XP for their entire life cycle divided by the number of harvests. (So far, all multi-harvest crops have 4 total harvests.)

For example, apples, which sit on 9 tiles and have a total life cycle of 30 days, give a total of 1,080 XP for the whole tree. Divide that by 4 harvests, and you get 270 base XP per harvest.

It basically means there is no XP penalty for growing anything you want or need.

[flat epoch]

I see. That is certainly new for me as I try to rush to get the most efficient/best selling crop in farming games. Thank youn

[neat vortex]

Hilariously, right now, the two crops that give the most gold revenue per tile per growth tick are beans and bok choy (once processed into seeds) - which are both available at level 1.

Most people can't grow ONLY those crops (you wouldn't be able to process them all unless you get very few growth ticks per RL day, i.e., low playtime), but still XD

What you're rushing for is instead to unlock the seed collector, the preserves jar, and the exquisite tools. The first two help you wring more money out of your limited crop production. The tools just make your life much easier when you're on a time crunch.

Then, after that, it's a matter of getting to level 25 (when your base star chance for crops is high enough that you get 100% starred crops with starred seeds) and then level 38 (all starred crops even with unstarred seeds)

Strange new gardening life hack:
If you have full bags and don't have time to sort out your inventory before rushing to replant, place a single UNSTARRED item of the produce you are harvesting in your bags. It will let you keep harvesting your crops even without a bag space empty.

If your bags are totally full, the extra items will go to overflow and eventually be sent to your storage:

Then you can put the unstarred items back by putting them in a seedmaker and cancelling the craft

[smoky vessel]

Hi @floral talon . Need ur help for a layout that is 100% watered for the most profitable using the preserve jars.

[tulip musk]

does anyone have a layout that is 100% water retain with the new crops?

[floral talon]

Interesting i havent made such a layout yet

[floral talon]

Debug symbol devs forgot to disable it

[wide marten]

What's the growth/harvest cycle on pumpkins? I lost count on the one I'm growing.

[floral talon]

ok im working on it

[smoky vessel]

Great!

[neat vortex]

We had a request for this a while back. Do you want to ONLY use preserve jars?

Or do you just have them available, but don't necessarily need to process every crop in them?

[floral talon]

ok so now i know which crops are best for jar (this calc is for jar only and im not bothering with reseed cost for now)

yeay uhm its alot easier if i can sneak soem rice in just to HB the corn

[neat vortex]

I ended up filtering this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=1265607500#gid=1265607500

[floral talon]

mh i should substract reseed cost as less jars as u caonsume crops doign that but then i have to look at how much each seed thing produces ... nah screw that

[neat vortex]

lol

tbh the garden planner already handles that

Hilarious that bok choy STILL comes out on top with preserves-only

(but beans falls down into the bottom half)

[floral talon]

u ar fine with dumping rice in the seedmaker you are fine with dumping rice in the seedmaker
you are fine with putting rice in your seedmaker
now imma make one with bokchoi included to ...

[neat vortex]

roflmao

bok choy and potato are just beasts, is all

Anyway, someone already did a bok choy-potato-tomato-corn emphasis layout

[floral talon]

im gonna minmax it it hink

[neat vortex]

Lemme find it; it's one of the minmax ones

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1_CR-T.HBkCr.YPBkRCrBkT-RBkPTBkCrPBkR-CrBkTRBkPTBkCr-PBkRCrBkTRBkP-TBkCrPBkRCrBkT-RBkPTBkCrPBkR-CrBkTRBkPTBkCr-PBkRCrBkTRBkP-TBkCrPBkRCr.HBkT.Y

this is best for ur needds unles u really dont want to even put rice in seedmaker

ren plz update ur layout with batterfly beans and rockhopperpumpkins

[neat vortex]

Okay yeah that's pretty great lol

[smoky vessel]

Yes this

[neat vortex]

Okay, do you want to avoid seedmakers...?

[smoky vessel]

Yes

[neat vortex]

Okay, in that case, the linear one DS put together will do what you want, I think.

You can either seed the rice, bring it to sashimi parties, or sell it raw.

[smoky vessel]

Yes . I’ll give it a try

[neat vortex]

Let us know how it goes :)

[smoky vessel]

Great idea for the sashimi

[neat vortex]

It's also great for overprep for spicy crab fried rice, if you like that as focus food :)

[smoky vessel]

Thanks guys ! @floral talon @neat vortex

[neat vortex]

Update it to what?

[final heron]

Hello everyone! What's the best layout for pumpkins and beans with 100% water retain and 100% weed prevention?

[floral talon]

i mean ur sheet

[neat vortex]

It does already have them

[floral talon]

to me it said error in their values

[floral talon]

i have not made one for just beans and pumpkins since i havent discovered if they are usefull at all but i do have everything layouts though

[last pendant]

Is there any way I can track the purple forage and be able to grab them at the same time without using the potion?

[neat vortex]

Oh, that's only for cooking
(Because I haven't mathed the recipes yet)

[floral talon]

bag of illusion

@neat vortex

[neat vortex]

idk about best, but this is the one I'm using currently. You can use onions instead of carrots if you prefer, and any grains instead of the rice. Potatoes and tomatoes could also swap places for a bit more profit, probably.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HCBk.HTP.HTBk.HCR-CPTBbBbBkBbBbC-R.HBkT.HPC.HPT.HBkR.H-C.HPmPmT.HPmPmPBk.HC.H-RCT.HPBk.HPT.HCR-C.HBk.HPPmPmT.HPmPmC.H-R.HBkT.HPC.HPT.HBkR.H-CBbBbBkBbBbTPC-RCBk.HTP.HTBk.HCR.H

[final heron]

TYSM !!

[neat vortex]

In my experience, beans produce so fast and process into seeds so slowly that it's not practical to have too many planted.

But that will depend on how much you play in a given period, of course

[floral talon]

so if i just play super minimal it be the bestest thing ever? 2 ticks in per day XD

[neat vortex]

Exactly

[floral talon]

man if gardenplanner wasnt changed so much it be so ez to figure this out XD

[neat vortex]

imo the changes make it easier to figure out
(because it calculates the processing time)

[floral talon]

no way harder in before seed or jar tells u money per growthtick

now its per irl crafter time ...

[neat vortex]

That's probably more realistic

because you could get some pretty fake numbers per growth tick with some layouts

This tells you how many crafters you would need to keep up with your growth ticks per RL day

[floral talon]

so i have to click add 30 crafters nonstop or osmething

[neat vortex]

Not sure what you mean

But here's an example of the layout I just linked, but all beans (since pumpkins are a utility crop):
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HCBk.HTP.HTBk.HCR-CPTBbBbBkBbBbC-R.HBkT.HPC.HPT.HBkR.H-C.HBbBbT.HBbBbPBk.HC.H-RCT.HPBk.HPT.HCR-C.HBk.HPBbBbT.HBbBbC.H-R.HBkT.HPC.HPT.HBkR.H-CBbBbBkBbBbTPC-RCBk.HTP.HTBk.HCR.H_D180L50Cr0.RS-CP-BkS2-TP-PS-BbS2

If you get 2 growth ticks per RL day, then you just need to keep your processing time under 90 RL days for 180 growth ticks. Make sense?

[floral talon]

but ucannot select how many ticks u get in per rl day

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that would be a handy feature; maybe it could be added in the future

(Also, this layout clocks in at 5700g/tick)

[floral talon]

so now the layout u send sayd 462 per hour ... thats nonsense

[neat vortex]

Why? Look how few crafters it's using.

At 2 growth ticks per day you aren't going to be able to keep too many crafters busy.

You're going to have idle crafter time one way or another.

[floral talon]

ok so at 32 crafters its still at 1700 coins per hour thats still nonsense

[neat vortex]

You might have to walk me through it

[floral talon]

like at that poiont wouldnt i make 8 k for my 2 hours of online time ?_?

[neat vortex]

...yes...?

[floral talon]

but this thing says its only 3400

[neat vortex]

Hang on

I think I'm confused. Where is the 8k coming from?

[floral talon]

this would be so much easier ot use if it was
money per growthtick assuming all processed and hten how much processing itme it would take so u can be like hey my crafters cant keep up

[neat vortex]

It would be nice if it gave you both, really

[floral talon]

well i mean im sure it would produce 4k per growthtick if processed

[neat vortex]

5.4k, if you divide ~927k by 180

The processing time is a little faster than 90 days, so there's about 2.5% idle time built in (assuming 2 growth ticks per day and continual run time with no delays in clearing/refilling machines)

[floral talon]

gues ihave to build a calc i can actually understadn how to use sigh

[neat vortex]

This is still a very respectable 11k per RL day, though, which is impressive, considering

[floral talon]

wow and thats not even optimised
maybe i shoudl just make a matrix formula for best farm sttrat ...

[neat vortex]

My usual 3-apple layout with my bajillion hours of playtime (~8) only pulls 33-34k/day (plus whatever I get from my worms)

yeah, 4.5kish per growth tick

not that mine is minmaxed for gold at all

[floral talon]

il have to make my own lazy bean money layout for sure

[neat vortex]

I look forward to seeing it :)

I'm running a 2-bean, 2-apple layout atm, and I think I'm gonna need more seedmakers XD

[floral talon]

mh havign a constant apple production will always be usefull to i guess

[neat vortex]

Mostly I just like them as partial insurance against zone-outs and being busy off-plot for extended periods

because they just keep chugging

Hm. Okay, current 2-apple, 2-bean layout uses 23 crafters, assuming 8 ticks per day. 4.6k per growth tick after processing, 1700/hr crafter throughput. I guess that's alright. XD No way I'm operating at peak efficiency, though.

Given that I am splitting my time between two accounts now, I should probably restructure a bit

[dim pulsar]

is there a list which crops are best to sell as seeds and which are not ? i soon will have the seed maker

[floral talon]

yes bokchoi potato
stuff u cant jar

[dim pulsar]

i thougt u can pickle potatoes or in wrong ?

right now i habe 3 tiles and i have 9 cotton , 9 wheat and 9 potatoes but even as a beginner the profit seems very low

[floral talon]

potato bokchoi and beans give more as seeds

[dim pulsar]

this layout for example is something id like to try , so do i then sell the seeds or do i always pickle the vegetables ?

but is that rice or bok choy in the picture im not quite sure