🌱│gardening

[indigo oriole]

not sure i have read so much

[neat vortex]

It's the Google doc linked in the pins :)

re: leveling strats #🌱│gardening message

For your other questions, just a moment, need a keyboard XD

[drifting violet]

(Sorry for pinging you at the wee hours of Vampire Time, Ren! 🤭)

[indigo oriole]

oh im sorry I would have waited till you woken up 🙀

im just trying to see and read everthing you have linked and coping it so i dont loose it

[neat vortex]

rofl, I was actually about to say thank you for the ping - I am gradually winding down to go to bed, which is when I generally pop in here to check messages

• Yes, always keep starred seeds for replanting
• It's always better to process your produce before you sell it, but how you process it depends on whether you have the preserves jar recipe or not yet (see the algorithm in the first post I linked you)
• After making seeds to replant, keep as much of your produce as you will need for other purposes (cooking focus food, cooking for profit), and any excess process and sell
• I would use the unstarred crops for regular ol' focus food cooking (solo or small impromptu groups) with some exceptions: unstarred apples, blueberries, peppers cannot be obtained from your garden past a certain level - save some of those for "oopsies" (i.e., someone forgets to check the "use starred ingredients" button lol) and/or filling requests
• Use starred crops for cooking parties, which generally require starred produce (i.e., host will request that you only sign up if you have enough starred items to cover that role). These can be for profit or for focus food.
• Once you have those bases covered, process EVERYTHING and sell it.

Starred produce is worth more gold at base and after it is processed, so it doesn't make sense to use it for items you plan to eat unless you have no choice and/or you're trying for starred food specifically. (Starred ingredients don't guarantee starred cooking results, they just increase the chances.)

[indigo oriole]

thank you sooo much for this.. it has broken it down enough for me to go ahead more, i felt like my brain was just rolling around

[neat vortex]

Keep in mind that all of the above is advice that suits me and is undoubtedly skewed toward my playstyle. As you learn more, you may find that some other approach works better for you specifically. It's not ironclad :)

If you'd like to get into the numbers and the whys-and-wherefores, let me know, but I figured it would be better not to throw that at you at this stage XD

Anything I didn't cover, or new questions popping up?

[indigo oriole]

not atm ty soo much... brain has more order now than chaos, I would hug you if i could 😛

[neat vortex]

I've got a few suggestions for you, if you are looking for symmetrical garden layouts

All The Everything Cooking Garden

100% water/weed, 100% harvest boost with 20 fertilizer (apples and bushes buffed without fertilizer)
If you want, you can swap crops around to be what you need (e.g., to emphasize money), especially the grains (wheat is just a placeholder). Pepper and berry bushes are swappable with some fertilizer adjustments.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-OCbTBBBkBBO-W.HBkT.HPC.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPC.HPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPC.HPT.HBkW.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTCb.HO.H-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H

[neat vortex]

Happy to help, no hugs required, lol
Come back as you think of more things! \o/

Suggestion #2 for a symmetrical garden...

All the Everything with less fruit

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HCbPBkBBPBB-O.HTRBkCb.HBkRTO-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-T.HPRBkO.HBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkO.HBkRPT.H-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-OTRBkCb.HBkRTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HCb.HO.H

[indigo oriole]

do i have to be a certain level for the fruit... if so im not high enough lol

[neat vortex]

Technically, no. There are ways to obtain the fruit and pepper seeds that are not gated by your gardening level. But you will be given pepper, blueberry, and apple seeds as the rewards for reaching different gardening levels.

(Those layouts were in response to phibonacci)

[indigo oriole]

ok..i just got level 5 for the seed thingys

[neat vortex]

Here's a money/utility layout for 4 garden soil plots: #🌱│gardening message

And there's a larger bullseye layout for when you have 9 garden plots - I'd buy those ASAP because XP is per tile per growth tick

[indigo oriole]

i just now finished buying the 9 !!!

[neat vortex]

Yeehaw!

Here's the Bullseye layout concept:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTOBkRROWP-BkPTWRRTOBk-OBkP.HWRTPRO-TRBkPROBkWT-RCrRPTBkRCrR-TWBkORPBkRT-ORPTRWP.HBkO-BkOTRRWTPBk-PWORRBkOTP.H
There are a lot of possible variations with this one, including weaving cotton into the ring of grains

You can also invert the middle plot to be more weed/water crops and fewer grains but I keep forgetting to save that URL lol

There are other layouts that use similar concepts but don't do the complex ring

They just need a little more fertilizer to be 100% harvest boosted and/or won't be 100% self-watering/weeding

[indigo oriole]

oh the fertilizer... how do i get the harvest boosted one

[neat vortex]

Feeding savory items to worms/glow worms

(recipes for the worm and glow worm farms are from fishing)

[indigo oriole]

i got the worm farm so far

[neat vortex]

You can feed them starred pickled onions :) They gain 23g in a regular worm farm and produce fertilizer at a reasonable rate without overwhelming the output bin

See Arenvanya's fertilizer spreadsheet in the pins for many many more options

The cheapest HB fertilizer is from feeding glow worms with unstarred meat and starred/unstarred savory forageables worth either 11g or 16g

[faint rivet]

Good morning! And thank you @neat vortex for the symmetrical garden suggestions, I'll have a closer look when im more awake.

[neat vortex]

Good morning! I'm off to bed, but please ping me if you've got questions or notes and I'll answer later (or our other knowledgeable gardeners will!)

See y'all later :D

[indigo oriole]

ty and sweet dreams of garden layouts!!

[neat vortex]

HAH I'm sure it's happened a few times!

[indigo oriole]

lol

[sonic flare]

Mornin

[cobalt knoll]

I'm unable to water my flow trees, I water but the bar doesn't go up. Is this a known glitch?

[surreal barn]

I believe its been happening since the last patch went out but hopefully it is fixed in the next one

[cobalt knoll]

Ok ty

[waxen sun]

heyhey friends. Im sure a million have been posted here before so im going to start digging, but anyone have a layout for their garden they use that contains every crop and has good buffs like water/weed? mainly used for money but i do cook a bunch so I like a little of everything

[waxen sun]

I kinda sorted through, and was wonddering if someone could take a look at the layout I made here. my main goal is to have 2 apple seeds, 2 blubs, and 2 peppers, then at least one of every crop

if anyone has any suggestions please let me know!

[neat vortex]

I think StrykerBE has shared a few 4-bush AFK layouts; when I get back to my computer I'll see if I can find them (if you don't find them first)

I will say that four bushes seems like a LOT unless you either have very low playtime or host cake parties/parties needing peppers regularly. (Neither crop is very good money if you wind up with excess, and they are quite prolific in my experience.)

And because so many crops give the same buff, it may not be necessary to have every crop in the ground at once, depending on your playstyle

[mint sandal]

Here's my previous layout: 2 apples, 2 bloobs, 2 peppers and at least 1 of everything. It's 100% water retain and weedblock without fertilizer. Harvest boost is only 60% but tou can supplement with fertilizer if you want

[mint sandal]

Also, as Ren said, if you don't do cake parties often cake parties often, this many bushes and apples is a bit much, which is why I switched to my current layout. It's got everything except cotton, but you can easily replace some of the rice with it. You can also swap some of the rice for more corn and wheat. Layout is also 100% water/weedblock and takes less fertilizer to reach 100% harvest boost then the previous layout
#🌱│gardening message

[indigo oriole]

I was reading over the notes that the wonderful Ren @neat vortex spoke about the other day and there is a abbreviation that i do not know. The following is the sentence but the caps is what I dont know........YMMV if you log lots and lots of playtime or have other needs based on playstyle or preferences.......does anyone know what it means?

[neat vortex]

YMMV = "your mileage may vary"
It means (in a general sense) that you may see different results based on individual factors (like how a car's fuel efficiency depends a lot on how and where it is driven)

[indigo oriole]

oh ty i get it lol.... is there a reason besides not having to water every day to have crops with water buff?

and i need fabric..so cotton... is planting a full field of cotton the wrong way to do things?

[neat vortex]

I mean, you CAN; it's not "wrong," depending on how much of a hurry you're in. Planting it next to some grain crops may be more efficient (gives it the harvest boost buff, so you get 3 cotton back per seed instead of 2)

You can also substitute it into other layouts in place of some of the grains, but in general, the benefit of cotton's buff (QualityUp) increases the value of your crops less than the value of the buff from grains.

There is also the option to buy fabric for 190g each at Tish's shop. Each fabric requires 2 cotton to craft, so you'll get 1 or 1.5 fabric per plant, making the value of each cotton plant between 190g and 285g per plant, or 38-57g per tile per growth tick.

In my opinion, you'd probably be better off growing something else, like potatoes or bok choy, selling them, and buying fabric. (Bok choy tops out at 88g per tile per growth tick, assuming 100% starred results, harvest boosted, and sold as seeds.)

But there's also the pride in growing something for yourself, or just not wanting to go through the fuss of processing and selling a field full of bok choy, since that can take a while.

[indigo oriole]

oh ty makes better sence

[neat vortex]

That's really the only benefit - but it's a MAJOR benefit, since it lets your garden keep rolling even if you're a little bit late getting home for the 6AM growth tick, or if you're busy doing other things.

Weed prevention likewise keeps your crops from getting randomly stalled or out of sync

(which makes replanting much easier, since you just grab exactly the number of seeds you planted the first time)

[indigo oriole]

so if things finish growing before other things do i just leave them untill everything is finished growing?.... sorry for so many questions

[neat vortex]

You can either harvest them and replant, or you can leave them in place. As long as there is a seed or a plant (harvestable or not) in the ground, its neighbors will still get the buff.

[slate kelp]

Hi, here have a layout with only 11 fertilizer needed, you can replace potatoes by 6 days cabbage

[waxen sun]

Thank you guys so much! ☀️
I do like to do mini cake parties / cooking parties. And honestly my brain functions much better when I have at least one of everything since I cook a lot 🤣

But I appreciate this and all the helpful tips so much!!

[neat vortex]

In that case, any layout that has the numbers of bushes and trees you need and also include all 3 buff types (water, weed, harvest boost) will most likely do what you need with a few substitutions :) Including cotton for some of the grains

[waxen sun]

Water/weed are my main worries. I do have several worm farms and i have LOADS of harvest boost fertilizer so my garden is normally stocked with that 😁

[neat vortex]

What I mean is, you can make almost ANY layout that includes all 3 buff types (for single-tile crops) into an "everything garden." Say a layout only has tomatoes, potatoes, onions, bok choy, and wheat (other than trees and bushes).
Then you substitute:

• napa cabbage in for some of the tomatoes or potatoes (water retain crops)
• carrots for some of the onions or bok choy (weed prevention crops)
• corn, rice, and cotton for some of the wheat (harvest boost crops, except the cotton is QualityUp of course, but they function similarly)

If a layout has multiple blueberry bushes, and you need peppers, then a pepper bush can sub in for a blueberry bush or two with only some fertilizer adjustments.

And otherwise, the layout works exactly the same, but you've got at least one of everything in the ground.

@waxen sun As promised, found the one that StrykerBE made - see the message I replied to.
100% water/weed without fertilizer, 2 apples, 2 blueberries, 2 peppers, at least 1 of everything else.

If you're willing to dump harvest boost on everything that lacks it, you'll be in good shape with this one or with Astraea Moreno's layout here: #🌱│gardening message

12 bok choy and 12 potatoes make for good cash crops, too.

[waxen sun]

I appreciate you guys very much!!

[fading aspen]

Happy to see my designs being useful

[spare umbra]

soo i was just looking up the best profit vegetable because im min maxing and there's a lettuce plant.... only available as a log in reward on fathers day 2024..... does anyone know of any plans they have to make this available to all?

[mint sandal]

They gave it early, rn it gives no buffs and can't be made into seeds after you've harvested the grown lettuce. They might release it with Elderwoods, or maybe in an even later update, who knows? I don't think they ever said when it was supposed to release, just that they did it early by mistake

[floral talon]

I would like it if we had a buffless more money plant for example lettuce is mighty coinage

[neat vortex]

I hadn't thought about this, since it's not even a real thing yet, but you're right - lettuce is worth 55g each unstarred/ 82g each starred, compared to 45g for unstarred potatoes / 67g starred.

Lettuce seeds are worth 20g each unstarred (30g each starred), the same as potato seeds, but we don't know how many lettuce makes how many lettuce seeds. (For example, napa cabbage produces 6 seeds per cabbage.)

Lettuce seeds DO take 6 days to grow, and produce 2 lettuce each (3 with harvest boost) — not too impressive.

If 1 lettuce = 4 seeds, that's 120g of value per lettuce, and that brings them in at 60g per tile per growth tick, just under jarred tomatoes but above jarred corn.

However, if 1 lettuce = 6 seeds, that's 180g value per lettuce, or a maximum of 90g per tile per growth tick (beating out bok choy's 88g).

(Jarred lettuce would end up around 61.5g/tile/tick, just slightly better than jarred tomatoes.)

All of the prices and everything are definitely subject to change, though.

[primal rivet]

I forgot how to till the soil 👉👈

[floral talon]

wiht a hoe

[primal rivet]

It’s not doing anything

[steady gull]

Hello. Im trying to find the best afk layout for gardning. Can someone help pls ? 🙂

[floral talon]

theres so many things u can minmax it to pretty sure not a single person who uses afk layouts in this channel uses the same one
i got tons of em il send mine that i use now its max lazy

i harvest it whenever i feel like doing that XD

[steady gull]

I did a layout.... https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HPA.HO.HTA.HC.HPA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HCA.HA.HO-PB.HB.HTB.HB.HPOC-OTPB.HB.HTB.HB.HC-OA.HA.HCA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HPT.HA.HOC.HA.HTP.H-TPO.HOCr.HTC.HTP.H-T.HPOO.HTC.HCCr.HO-CrCO.HTSp.HSp.HP.HSp.HSp.H

Not sure about it tho xD

All of that converted into pickles and jam is like 40k every 12 days

[floral talon]

If ur happy with that one despite using less fert thrn mine it does take more effort to apply and the layout is harder to plant

[neat vortex]

You can seed the potatoes if you like for even more money :) 120g per potato for seeds vs 102g per potato for pickles (starred)

[neat vortex]

"best" always depends on a lot of factors! Can you say more about what you'd like your garden to do, other than tend itself? Specific crops? Pet peeves? What you are using the crops for?

[steady gull]

Just to make some passive money. And , i really like the preserves Jar. So would be nice to have good crops to make pickles and stuff.

[neat vortex]

Well, the best crops in the preserves jars are not gonna beat out bok choy and potatoes in a seedmaker, but if you're going for an all-jar passive-processing layout, I'd use...

• waterers: potato and tomato
• weeders: bok choy and onion (you can feed some of your pickles to regular worms for extra profit/HB fertilizer)
• grain: corn
  and then apples if you need/want apples or just want to reduce the amount of labor your garden requires

Apples are cheapest if you plan to eat your jarred stuff as focus food

[steady gull]

I have a lot of focus food. Didnt know bok choy are more profitable in seeds

[neat vortex]

They about double in value in a seed collector :)

[steady gull]

Thats new to me. Well, i can use the seed collector. Its almost the same thing as preserves. I like the peocess of transformation.

[neat vortex]

The only thing to know about it is that the seed collector won't run unattended for quite as long; potatoes and bok choy will run for... ehhh somewhere in the 19-23 hour range (can search for "unattended" in this channel and find it probably) before they stall

Though, actually, their jar recipes will crank through a whole hopper in about the same amount of time, so it's really six one way half a dozen the other if you're worried about uptime 🤔

[steady gull]

Im ok with that. I can use the same crops u said up there?

Having apples is good to, because i do a lot of party cakes.

[neat vortex]

The only change is that using seedmakers also opens up rice and wheat as options. Rice does tend to be a little tough to process (seedmaker jams quickly and it grows very fast), but it's better money than corn, and allows you to attend sashimi parties for profit

But you can always swap around the grains at will in any layout as long as you don't break any companion planting pairs (same-buff crops want "a buddy, not a twin" since they can't buff themselves)

[steady gull]

Well, let me see what layout i can make 😄

[neat vortex]

Depending how many apple trees you want, I have a couple up my sleeve, but don't let me interrupt your fun :D

[steady gull]

Oh no, pls interrupt my fun ahah i mean, probably 2 apple trees

[steady gull]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HO.HBkP.HBk.HPO.HP.HT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkP.HT.HOBk.HBk.HTP.HO.H-Bk.HBk.HO.HT.HO.HBk.HP.HBk.HO.H-BkOBkT.HP.HBk.HBkBkO-T.HBk.HBk.HP.HO.HP.HT.HBk.HT.H-Bk.HT.HPO.HBk.HOT.HP.HBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkO.HP.HTBk.HT.HPBk.HO.H

[neat vortex]

You've got the general idea, nice! Mind if I make some tweaks? (sorry for delayed reply, cooking party I was signed up for started)

[steady gull]

Sure ! Im new to this. And if u have layouts already done, Share with me.

[neat vortex]

Here's my "4 apples AFK style" one; DS also has a similar version. You can replace two of the apple trees with water/weed modules (plots), and wheat can be swapped for any grain
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HBkWTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkW.HTP.HTWBkO-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTWBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBkWTO.HTW.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-OTWBkP.HBkWTO.H

And I think I can also adapt this one to be 2 apples and no bushes, lemme see
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HCbPBkBBPBB-O.HTRBkCb.HBkRTO-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-T.HPRBkO.HBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkO.HBkRPT.H-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-OTRBkCb.HBkRTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HCb.HO.H

I do like how yours has a bunch more bok choy crammed in there

[steady gull]

Yeah, i was trying to get the double of bok choy.

[neat vortex]

Here, adapted the 4-apples-AFK one to only 2 apples
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HBkRTP.HTRBkO-CrOBk.HPT.HPBk.HOCr-O.HBkR.HTP.HTRBkO-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRTO.HTRBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRTO.HTR.HBkP.H-CrOBk.HPT.HPBk.HOCr-OPRBkT.HBkRPO.H

Keep in mind that each HB fertilizer is worth 5g each, so you need to subtract the value of it from the layout revenue

I haven't done that math yet, though

[steady gull]

After making seeds and jams, i get 2k more than ur layout , but im probably gonna get less because of the HB fertelizer.

I think Im gonna keep urs.

[neat vortex]

Bok choy is funny because depending on how many growth ticks you get in one IRL day, it can overwhelm your crafters pretty quickly

I have 12 tiles of bok choy in my current layout and SIX seed collectors just barely keep up when I stay on top of my garden

(preserves jars will chew through it faster, but at the cost of less value added)

[steady gull]

Yap. I liked the one u send me.

@neat vortex thanks for all the help. And for the layout. Now i need to sleep. Palia is getting me Addicted. XD Have fun in game. Cya. 🙂

[neat vortex]

Goodnight!

[floral talon]

i sooo want a stable on my plot so i can go back to gardening and hten back towhatever i was doing when my plants need attention

[obtuse silo]

Does anyone know how I get the hydrofertiliser?

[neat vortex]

Bought at the General Store in town :)

[faint rivet]

am i missing something? Why arent the potato and tomato getting water buff?

[upper mist]

its probably a bug tbh they should give eachother the water buff every day. But I guess they lost their water when the onions ticked last and when they aren't watered I don't think they give the buff. So when you water them I guess it should reactivate

but they shouldn't loose their water when they are next to eachother

[floral talon]

soils not being properly connected
tomatoes if they were harvestable and not harvested next tick they unwater themselves
having had weed on it an anohter growthtick

[stable ginkgo]

I don’t even know if it’s possible to place the plots wrong since they snapped into place when I re-did my farm. But the squares usually line up. Looking between the tomato and potato the squares look slightly off. Maybe it isn’t connected because the pepper also isn’t getting the harvest boost from the apple.

[floral talon]

but its definitly ur soils arent properlyu connected

[stable ginkgo]

Dang, Duhscape snuck it in right before me, nice job

[floral talon]

tnx aqajj but ur right ur saving me the explanation

[faint rivet]

Ah make sense they're not connected, thought they snapped. Maybe cause i put the sides before the middle ones. I'll try to replace them and see if it helps then. Thanks

[pliant sluice]

Do the soil plots have to be next to each other for maximum efficiency? I was curious if the crops in neighboring plots still benefit each other? Not sure if that makes sense... 😅

[radiant thicket]

Are we now able to plant the lettuce seeds they mistakenly gave us waay back?

[clear kindle]

they have to be connecting to get the buffs

[clear kindle]

not that i've heard

[mint sandal]

I planted one of mine when we got them but you can't do anything with them, they don't give any buffs to other crops, and the grown lettuce can't be made into seeds and I think you can't sell it either (not sure about that one, haven't checked since we got them)

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[neat vortex]

I think I can answer your question, but could you elaborate on what you mean by "next to each other"?

[pliant sluice]

Sylvablade answered my question but I appreciate your help

[neat vortex]

Wasn't sure if it was a "do they have to be touching" question or a "do they have to be in a 9x9 Garden Cube" since you asked about efficiency XD Glad you're all sorted!

[faint rivet]

I moved them.. they're now definitely aligned, still no water retain buff 😔

[mint sandal]

When you moved them, did you let them snap together or did you join them manually by disabling the grid? If they snapped together then you should report this as a bug cause they definetely should be buffing each other once watered

[stoic crescent]

Is there chart that tells what produces which fertilizer in the worm farm? I tried looking at the wiki but it didn't give any items for results that I could find. I might have missed it tho

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854

looks to still be up to date, tabs at the bottom to see the grilled fish outcomes

[stoic crescent]

Is there no way to produce fertilizer that prevents weeds?

[drifting violet]

Nope, unfortunately you have to buy Weed Block Fert from Zeki :< the only two producible fertilisers are Harvest Boost and Quality Up

[twilit frost]

Does harvest boost fertilizer do anything if the seeds are already boosted (like if I have apple trees with corn on three sides)

[neat vortex]

Try server hopping or run to Kilima and back and see if the buffs refresh - sometimes they don't visually update

[neat vortex]

Nope, if you add HB fertilizer to any of those crops, it will just sit in the soil unconsumed. The buff is identical and does not stack together.

[faint rivet]

Yes, I snapped them. I'll definitely report it. Will see if it's still there when I log in today

[floral talon]

Sweet quality up deserts and stuff
All else harvest boost

[upper mist]

Holy you have laser eyes, I didn't even see that tiny set off

Brain went straight to "must be the damn bugs again @#^%&*"

[floral talon]

kinda XD

[neat vortex]

It's an issue that's come up a few times in the past couple weeks, so it's top of mind lol

[south rune]

Sorry for the noobish question, does harvest boost fertiliser stack with the boost you get from crops (like rice), or is it worth only doing one of those with another kind of boost (like quality).

[neat vortex]

Not a bad question to ask; the answer is about... 5 or 6 posts up

[south rune]

gah what are the chances lol tyvm!

[neat vortex]

I'd write up an FAQ... but we already have one (Arenvanya's guide, in the pins)

[sonic flare]

which one is more profit carrot or onion both star crop & seed turned into preserves also

question

[muted flower]

Does something happens to plants if I leave weeds on them till they fully grow?

[neat vortex]

If the plant has a weed on it at the growth tick, its growth will not progress (and it will be unwatered)

[neat vortex]

If you are only making them into preserves, carrots are more profit by a very very small margin (0.5 gold per tile per growth tick). However, pickled onions can reasonably be additionally processed into worms and HB fertilizer (+23g/unit).

[muted flower]

but what if i planted them so that every plant have water retain?

[neat vortex]

Doesn't matter, the weed will "steal" the water

[muted flower]

Someone told me that the quality of crops decrease also is that true?

[neat vortex]

So far as I know, that's not correct.

[muted flower]

ok thank you 😊

[neat vortex]

Star chance for produce depends on three things:

• base chance (from your gardening level)
• bonus from starred seeds
• bonus from QualityUp buff (from either fertilizer or companion planting with cotton or peppers)

At level 25, base chance + starred seeds buff = 100% (guaranteed star produce with starred seeds and no other buff)
At level 35-40 or so, base chance = 100% (guaranteed star produce even with unstarred seeds)

[muted flower]

oh that’s good to know thanks :3

[sonic flare]

All of this stems from this question :
[which one is more profit carrot or onion both star crop & seed turned into preserves also]

@neat vortex question for you remember the garden plot variation this one, https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCrOCRCrRO-COTPWPTRC-CrOTRCPORCr-TPCOWRCPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCRWOCPT-CrROPCRTOCr-CRTPWPTOC-ORCrRCOCrPT

I want to replace it with this one

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCbCrBkCRCrRBk-CBkTCbWCbTRC-CrBkTRCCbBkRCr-TCbCBkWRCCbT-AAAAAAAAA-TCbCRWBkCCbT-CrRBkCbCRTBkCr-CRTCbWCbTBkC-BkRCrRCBkCrCbT

[neat vortex]

Oh yeah, the cross layout

(Why cabbage? cooking reasons?)

Bok choy is a good plan for profit

[neat vortex]

I'm lookin'. :) What's the question?

[sonic flare]

Cabbage for achievement purposes and bokchoy for increase profit. Should I make any changes, to maximize profits ( is the question)

[neat vortex]

I would suggest that unless you have other uses for the cabbages, as soon as you are done with the accomplishment, swap them out for potatoes. Potatoes are a much better cash crop, especially as seeds.

HarvestBoost fertilizer on the corners is pure profit if you have it available. If you're clever about it, the fertilizer can also help you keep track of your tomato plants' growth ticks, if that's something you want to do.

If you plan to participate in cooking parties for profit, you might also need onions instead of carrots (for poke bowl overprep). You CAN also use tomatoes, but onions are much easier if you struggle at all with either chopping or the UI. (Onions are also used much more frequently for cooking in general, which is why I favor them.) That's my personal bias, though; the difference between carrots and onions is so minuscule that it's basically purely down to preference.

Idk if you have specific uses for all 3 grains, but this layout can also accommodate using only 2 types if you want to reduce the number of crops you're tracking. Just turn the wheat into corn, or the corn into wheat, or... you get the idea.

But, in general, looks good to me!

[sonic flare]

I boost all of my crops with HB fertilizer, is it a good idea to max out every farm plot tile

[floral talon]

u can save fert by having some of that buff with harvest boost plants

[sonic flare]

I mean more along the lines of maxing each tile with HB so I don’t have to constantly be fertilizing after every harvest

[floral talon]

they grow at growthticks palian 0600 when online and once more after logging out

[obsidian sapphire]

Thanks

[neat vortex]

What DS said: they finish the current growth period and then stop.

[neat vortex]

In your layout, you COULD put fertilizer on all the tiles, but there's no reason to: all of the tiles except the corners have harvest boost from companion planting already (from the grains and the apple tree). The fertilizer will just sit in the soil doing nothing, except on the four corner tomatoes.

The buff from companion planting does not stack with the same-type buff from fertilizer.

But, yes, for those 4 corner tiles, it's not a bad idea to stack up the fertilizer.

[sonic flare]

Oh I only had 3,400 HB fertilizer I just had sitting in my farm

[neat vortex]

😂

[sonic flare]

Add three more stacks to that

[neat vortex]

lordy lordy, well... enjoy the 17,000g when you finally pull all that up?

[sonic flare]

I already have it’s been sitting in my inventory

Just max out the corners and should I sell half and keep the rest

[neat vortex]

How much you keep on hand will depend how many growth ticks you get per RL day and how fast you are producing it. Your layout uses four fertilizer per growth tick (or, roughly, per hour of playtime)

Are you regularly producing at least 4 fertilizer per RL hour of playtime? If yes, then you probably don't need to keep more than a stack in inventory, as insurance. That's enough for 25 growth ticks, in case your worm/glow worm farms are flat out of things to eat for an extended period.

Meanwhile, if you stack up 99 fert on each of those 4 corner tomatoes, that will carry you through ~89 hours of playtime (with allowances for any growth ticks that finish while you are offline) before you run the faintest risk of the plant running out of fertilizer.

(incidentally, 1 sernuk or muujin meat = 4 HB fert, so it's not too difficult to keep up that 4 fert/hr figure)

(meanwhile my layout uses 40-something HB fert per growth tick because it's not all that efficient, and 4 glow worm farms + 1 worm farm keep me more than stocked up, even with my very high playtime-to-idle-time ratio)

[sonic flare]

I love learning about this technical stuff, I play an average of 4 hours a day irl time, I currently have 2 glow worm and 1 worm farm

I will keep a 1k HB and I’m good on worms, 1k 🪱 and 500 glow worms

[neat vortex]

You can also store the fertilizer in the output bins of the glow worm farms, depending on the yield of what you're feeding them :) )Drag it from storage into the output bin.)

I keep 3 stacks of fertilizer in each of my glow worm farms because I'm feeding them cheap stuff that won't max out the remaining 3 spaces before the hopper runs out of stuff

[timber eagle]

ok how the heck do i grow a special potato?? lol

[scenic stone]

So I just put 99 harvest boost fertilizer on my apple tree, next cycle it's all gone. How is that possible?

[neat vortex]

special potato? Do you mean the potato pods?

[neat vortex]

Next cycle as in next growth tick? or the next time you replanted it?

[scenic stone]

Next growth tick, as in going from 5:59 a.m. to 6:00 a.m..

[neat vortex]

That... is definitely not supposed to happen. And it doesn't have the harvest boost buff when you inspect it?

[neat vortex]

This is a longshot, but what happens if you water the apple tree? (even if it doesn't need water)

And, by any chance did you have weeds sitting on your garden anywhere?

[scenic stone]

No difference in watering and no weeds.

[neat vortex]

Yyyep that is a bug, and I don't think you're the only person who has run into it. It would be awesome if you could put in a bug report!

[scenic stone]

Yeah I was already considering it depending on if it seemed like others had experienced it.

[neat vortex]

I'm honestly shocked I haven't experienced it considering how much fertilizer my garden uses

[gaunt thistle]

hello which crop is more efficient or better for preserves? potato or cabbage?

or are there anything better? except apple

[uneven sedge]

• Potota: Seed > Preserve
• Cabbage: Seed = Preserve

For your 2nd question, I would say tomato

• If we assume that all crops have enough jars to preserve and have the same buff
• also with that assumption, apple yields 20% less profit compared to tomato

[neat vortex]

What Zylen said! But also potatoes are significantly higher gold per tile per growth tick than cabbage is, even if you jar them both.

You might be interested in these two threads:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

with a few caveats:

• does not include processing time (comes into play with very high playtime to idle time ratios)
• assumes you always harvest and replant on time, no delays

But it's still a good way to quickly rank the crops.

I keep meaning to put together a comparison of how many crafter slot hours are needed per tile per growth tick for each crop

[gaunt thistle]

I'm assuming tomatoes are better to preserve because it takes up less time and has more produce? or..

[spare umbra]

does anyone know of a non-complicated afk farm layout that includes apples, peppers, and blueberrys? I've tried to scroll and look but everything so overwhelming to keep up with and remember where everything goes lol

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

EVERYTHING GARDEN!!! (and ofcourse you can swap out onions with carrots and potatoes with tomatoes for example)

[neat vortex]

AFK layouts tend to be a little more complicated due to needing to arrange the waterers and weeders to cover everything, but some of them are more symmetrical/patternful than others. (Bushes make things especially complicated, since they fit poorly into the 3x3 soil plots...)

Here's one that tries to repeat patterns as much as possible to make it easier to wrap one's brain around: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-OPTBBBkBBO-W.HBkT.HPO.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPO.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPO.HPT.HBkW.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTP.HO.H-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H
edit to make the center module more consistent

The image shows the repeating modules, but the link has the version with blueberries and with minimal crop types.

All fertilizer is optional and is just to maximize yield; the bushes and trees get harvest boosted naturally.

[neat vortex]

I also wonder... would it be helpful for you to have your soil in a line, instead of in a big square? (I personally tend to get super disoriented in the Garden Cube, so I use a linear layout, myself.)

I can share my linear layout that allows for peppers and blueberries (in addition to apples), if you're interested.

I also find it really helpful to make sure that I harvest-and-replant one crop at a time. That way, I don't have to remember where the crops go; they go where the previous one was XD

The preview image even helpfully matches when you go to place the seed

[twilit frost]

I'd love to see other layouts besides 3x3. Personally I use a row of 4 and a row of 5 but I'm working to tweak it now that I found out harvest boost fertilizer does nothing if my trees are boosted by crops, which they are.

[neat vortex]

Here's my linear AFK layout with bushes: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkCbPB.HB.HCbB.HB.H-P.HCbO.HBkW.HBkOCbP.H-Cb.HP.HO.HSp.HSp.HBk.HSp.HSp.HCb.H-O.HBkTPW.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H

It needs a lot of fertilizer to get to 100% harvest boost since linear layouts are kind of inefficient just due to geometry (lots of edges and corners)

[twilit frost]

This is very similar to my current layout, I'm trying to determine what fertilizers I need or don't need. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[neat vortex]

Most of the time I don't bother with the blueberries or peppers, though, because I'm not hosting cake parties, I have an overstock of peppers, and both of them are kind of terrible for solo processing revenue.

So, here's the same layout adapted to have 3 apple trees (for lower-effort reasons)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-O.HBkCbPW.HPCb.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbPO.HBkW.HBkOPCb.H-O.HBkTPW.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H

[neat vortex]

You'll need to use the Save button to copy the URL

[twilit frost]

Shoot that didn't work. Here:

I always keep corn, tomatoes, and cotton. The rest I rotate through (onion, carrot, bok/ potato and cabbage/wheat and rice).

[neat vortex]

Pretty clever! but good golly that's so many blueberries, how are you not drowning in them? 😅

I take it you host a lot of cake parties?

[twilit frost]

It's my focus food, the jam. Sometimes I swap a bloob for a pepper.

[twilit frost]

And actually no I had never really done any cook parties in almost a year of playing until after I had surgery 2 weeks ago and was laid up recovering and playing pretty much all day lol. So really I was just eating jam all the time 🤣

[neat vortex]

XD

[twilit frost]

When I started to attend cook parties I went from level 28 to 104 now 🤣

[neat vortex]

I mean, it sounds delicious...

[twilit frost]

Pretty sure my character is diabetic now 🤣

[neat vortex]

You said you were trying to figure out fertilizers?

[twilit frost]

Yeah, now that I'm going back to work and not playing all day I want to try and make it more afk friendly. And I literally didn't know until like a day or two ago that my HB fertilizer on my trees did NOTHING with this layout. I had it on there for...a very very long time. epicfacepalm

[neat vortex]

Ah, oh dear...

From what I can tell, you've already got it most of the way there

Could you share the layout link? (use the Save button)

[twilit frost]

Yeah lemme see if I can figure it out...I'll swap a blueberry too since I can scale back on jam now 🤣

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11-11-11-01_CROPS-SpSpCoSpSpPCoCbR-OTCrAAAAAA-BBBkBBPCCoW-AAAOTCrAAA-BBBkBBPCCbCo-AAAAAAOTCr-BBBkBBPCoCoR-AAAAAAAAA-OTCrSpSpPSpSpCo

I work overnights so I have to sleep now but thank you for chatting/taking a look and sharing yours! 💜

[bronze moss]

Thank you for the warning

[twilit frost]

So I was thinking about it, and trying to figure out if it would be more productive to basically swap my weed and water plants and buy more hydrate pro, since the weeds stop the growth? Or would it really not make much difference

[stoic crescent]

Nvm on the request! I was able to find a plan. Still curious though, is there a meta garden plan in the game atm?

[neat vortex]

"meta" depends entirely on your needs and playstyle. There is one that is optimized for revenue, technically, but not anything else; ones that are better for passive income; for crop variety; etc.

[neat vortex]

I was able to get your layout to 100 percent AFK (100 percent water retain from crops, 100 percent weeded with some weedblock fertilizer), but at the cost of all of the grain and cotton tiles... I wasn't very happy with the result. Are you attached to the layout specifically?

As I mentioned, more corners and edges makes it harder to get multiple buffs on everything

[stoic crescent]

Ok tysm! Is there a list of the current meta garden layouts per goal? (Revenue, afk, etc)

[neat vortex]

Not that I'm aware of, at least not per se, especially since layout revenue will depend a lot on how it's processed (solo processing choices, cooking parties, etc.) and most layouts are also somewhat flexible with what you can plant in them

It's not a bad idea, though, if you wanted to take that on

It's just such a personal thing, since the best garden for you is one you are able to stay on top of

I don't even really feel like "meta" is an applicable approach, in this instance? And I'm one of the spreadsheeters 😅

Others may disagree, though

[twilit frost]

That's a hard one, I have all my garden stuff set up around this particular layout at the moment, but I would love to see what you've come up with and brainstorm or even do some trial and error and see how it goes! I super appreciate your time and help!

[neat vortex]

Oh, one very important detail... what is your gardening level?

[floral talon]

i mean i keep a library of all layouts i made and i dont make stupid ones (unels poeple specifically request it)

[neat vortex]

You don't make stupid ones according to your own personal criteria (this is not meant as a slight, your layouts are plenty clever, but they are tuned to some things and not others, as any layout must be)

[floral talon]

uhm some poeple made really nonsense requests so i gave em that and be clueless as to why they want that

mh i gues those were easthetically minmaxed but they were also ugly interesting

but anyways i can make any layout u want for u aslong as ur specific enough 😄

[neat vortex]

This is why I say that the best garden for you is one you can keep on top of, because I know way too many people who just hate even looking at their gardens and don't want to touch them, whereas one that looks nice and feels pleasing (e.g., some kind of symmetry or pattern, or based on some other criteria) is more likely to engage them

So, like, meta for who? XD

I have my biases, too

[floral talon]

yeay but some poeple requiest unpatterned absolutely no symmetry max minned ones ... and im like bruh hows that different from just planting stuff randomly

[neat vortex]

🤷 You'd have to ask them, I guess

[floral talon]

i do but then they usually call me rude amd leave the channel

[neat vortex]

Well... uh... well, that certainly is a factor to take into consideration

[twilit frost]

Over 100

[twilit frost]

Okay it's 105 I just checked. 🙃

[neat vortex]

Alrighty, cool, so you're WAY past the point where you benefit from the qualityup buff

[twilit frost]

Yeah all my seeds are starred so I haven't factored in quality cuz it should have it, if I understand it correctly 🤣

[neat vortex]

at 100 you could be planting unstarred seeds and you'd still be getting all starred produce :)

[gaunt thistle]

Oooh, so high gardening level does have its benefits? At what level does this start if i may ask?

[uneven sedge]

It depends...

• 100% chance at lvl 25 if you also use starred seeds to plant
• otherwise it's lvl 38 with non-starred seeds

Note: based on formula from https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[gaunt thistle]

alright, still a week old in the game but i've been grinding hard to level farming and also for profits. i thought if i only used starred seeds, it guarantees starred produce and was confused when some weren't

[south rune]

is money making with apples now pridominantly with apple seeds? I took like a year break from the game (back when jam was used in cakes) but now i dont think jam is the way to go?

[floral talon]

U jar ur apples or cook em seedmaking is for reseeding apple seeds can be used for goldcap bypassing as they are much coins/storage

[south rune]

but why jar the apples is what i mean? Like, what do you use them for? I'm trying to get money as im always below 20k gold

[floral talon]

Uhm jarred apples is more money per apple then seeds

[neat vortex]

10 apples = 1 seed (1050g starred)
1 apple = 1 jam (144g starred)

So it's 105g per apple as seeds, or 144g as jam

Apples are only middling for profit if you are solo processing them, in any case

[neat vortex]

Oh, realized I forgot to go back and link this when I got back to computer...
Here's the version of your layout that I managed to make 100% afk, but it still uses 13 weedblock fert AND in addition would need 50 HB fert per tick 😬
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11-11-11-01_CROPS-Sp.HSp.HBk.HSp.HSp.HPBk.WTCb-OTP.WA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-B.HB.HBkB.HB.HCBk.WTCb-A.HA.HA.HOTP.WA.HA.HA.H-B.HB.HBkB.HB.HCBk.WTCb.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HO.WTP.W-B.HB.HBk.WB.HB.HCBk.WTCb.W-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Bk.WPCb.WSp.HSp.HT.HSp.HSp.HBk.W

But, like... no grain tiles AT ALL

[twilit frost]

Thank you! Once I get bored with cook parties I'll try it out right now I'm growing a lot of rice 😬

[neat vortex]

Yeah, lol, those grain tiles are pretty crucial for cooking parties

I'm not actually sure I would even recommend that version... it's optimized for nothing.

[twilit frost]

For the time being I just removed the useless HB from my trees and bought a bunch of weed and water fertilizer so it's like 95% covered now, have a few spots that could do weeds and that's about it.

[neat vortex]

Yeah, that's also definitely an option

I will admit that one of my biases as a garden designer is against using the store-bought fertilizers

I find them irritating to buy, irritating to store (can't store them in the worm farms), and irritating to dispose of if the layout changes. But, they do have their utility.

So, if they work, they work :)

If I were making more conservative adjustments to your initial layout - which really is quite clever - I think I would focus on giving all of the bushes and trees weed/water/HB, and then tweak the rest of the crops for cooking and solo processing profit

with a particular aim on keeping the grains and weeders buffed

[twilit frost]

Yeah there's definitely some tweaks I can do with it but for the time being I just bought a bunch of fertilizer as a "hold over", I also would prefer to configure it to have optimal buffs from what's planted for sure!

[neat vortex]

and tbh... if you're doing cooking parties? Plant rice, not cotton, and buy your fabric XD

[twilit frost]

Good call, yeah I actually did just last night take the cotton out to plant more grains. 🤣

I hadn't even thought about buying the fabric. I didn't have expendable gold for the longest time and forget I have that now 🤣

[neat vortex]

Hmmm....
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11-11-11-01_CROPS-Sp.HSp.HBk.HSp.HSp.HP.HpBk.WP.HpR-OT.HpR.WAAAAAA-BBBk.WBBPR.HpR.HpR-AAATO.WR.HpAAA-BBBk.WBBP.HpBk.WP.HpR.H-AAAAAAO.WT.HpR.W-BBR.WBBP.HpBk.HpR.HpO.W-AAAAAAAAA-T.HpO.WRSp.HSp.HP.HpSp.HSp.HBk.H

This is so messy 🤣

But hey, those trees and bushes will just keep on chugging!

Anybody else wanna tackle this? I think I've hit my limit for squinting at tiny buff icons, lol

[twilit frost]

Haha thank you for trying I appreciate it, give your eyeballs a rest! 🤣

[hushed edge]

im trying to move one of my farming soil but it says i cant cause i have blueberries planted but i moved a different soil that had blueberries on it so why i cant i move the other one?

[floral talon]

cuz its on 2/more soils and palia is not super well programmed
and the other one was on only 1 soil

[gaunt thistle]

is tomatoes good for glow worm farm?

[floral talon]

while it can be used i personally grill some spare fish and dump excess meat/mushrooms in it

[gaunt thistle]

how much does it give per 1 grilled fish?

[floral talon]

(glow)worms/fert output is based on coin value of the item in it wiht a minimum and rounded up/down
and meals value is based on ingredient vlaue nad fish are relatively pricy
meaning u get much worm and fert per crafterhour with grilled fish

and besides what else would u even do with all ur common fish make buildigns out of em?

[gaunt thistle]

real. usually i just sell them but will try using them for glow worm now hehe tyy

[floral talon]

basically if for profit u want stuff thats very low vlaue to get much more cuz minimum
or stuff thats rounded up

for throughput u just want expensaive things

[floral talon]

do make sure u select which fish to grill so not to grill random fish that dont stack or ur precious epics

[gaunt thistle]

will do!

[floral talon]

also 2 starred epics cant fit in the regular wormer as it would produce more hten even fits in the 6 slots of hte tray lmao

[neat vortex]

For unstarred tomatoes, the glow worm farm is the highest gold per crop increase, at the expense of a longer processing time.

If you are still getting unstarred tomatoes (or carrots) and have the glow worm farm already, go for it. (For starred tomatoes, jarring them is better.)

But, as DS said, there are better things to use for the purpose of getting cheap glow worms/fertilizer - namely, any savory meat or forageable worth 11g or 16g.

[neat vortex]

Arenvanya's fertilizer sheet (check pins) has a breakdown per fish type, assuming you're grilling 2 of the same value fish together.

[floral talon]

duhscape and ren answering questions be like:
duhscape: this is the answer
ren: this is hte answer and this is why that is and these are the other considerations and answers and here is a spreadsheet of all info
😄 we compliment each other

[stoic crescent]

Is this guide to preserves vs seeds still current or is there an updated one? 🤔 https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

Not for sure if there's been updates to the prices since it was made.

[neat vortex]

That one is up to date :) The only caveat is that it doesn't take processing time into account - mostly an issue with bok choy if you are running a LOT of tiles of it at once plus getting multiple harvests per RL day

[stoic crescent]

Tysm for the reply! Currently I'm running with this garden layout: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-BBTBBPPRT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TBBPBBTRP-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT
So I'm working with tomatoes, potatoes, rice, little bit of wheat, blueberries and apples atm. I'm only level 11 atm in gardening, but I'll have to take a look at bok choy. I keep reading it's a highly profitable crop 😮

[neat vortex]

It definitely is, even raw, and it also just about doubles in value in a seeder

[neat vortex]

You could probably even make the fertilizer on your apples totally unnecessary if you wanted to swap around just a few crops

[stoic crescent]

You think so? Would you mind replacing some crops to put in the bok choy on my layout? If not no worries! ^^

[neat vortex]

I took a very very basic stab at it: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRTPWPTRBk-BkRTPWPTRBk-BkRTPWPTRBk-BBBkBBPBkRT-AAAAAAAAA-BkBBRBBTPT-TRBkPWPBkRT-TRBkPWPBkRT-TRBkPWPBkRT

[neat vortex]

You might also be interested in this post from the same Redditor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

[stoic crescent]

Tysm! I'll be sure to try this out! ^^

[stoic crescent]

Ty! I'm absolutely interested in that post LOL. I'm still trying to figure things out and optimize everything as best as I can at my level XD

[neat vortex]

but TL;DR: if you are not hosting cake parties, I do not recommend blueberries for profit (i.e., if you are only solo processing them into jam)

Plenty of other reasons you might wanna grow them, of course (aesthetics, fun, a favorite recipe you like to cook Just 'Cause)

the accomplishment, if you're still working on that

[stoic crescent]

Ok that's super helpful. Yeah I was only growing them for recipes / stockpiling materials / pie LOL.

[neat vortex]

Once you're done with blueberries, you might find the info in this message useful? The layout is pretty straightforward once you see the pattern (though not as clean and simple as yours, of course!)
#🌱│gardening message

[timid anchor]

Why is the Rice orange now xD

[burnt badge]

Hi! Dumb question, i'm a newbie (lvl10 farming) I wanna know if I have to snap the soil tiles or it's okay if I have a small gap each tile? I'm following the All The Everything Cooking Garden by @neat vortex. Thanks!

[clear kindle]

in order to get the buffs from the other crops the tiles need to be together

[burnt badge]

got it thank you

[neat vortex]

You know, it's funny - it was this way when I started playing, too. It is reddish when the tile is watered and normal color when the tile is dry. I wonder if cotton is shiny again when the tile is watered, too?

[timid anchor]

so they remade it like in the beginning ? 😄 i was like huh? did they chance colors all of a sudden xD

[bright bobcat]

That's just the regular colour for me playing on switch

[neat vortex]

It has to do with how effects are applied to the model

[timid anchor]

switch an pc have different color lol what? xD

[neat vortex]

Keep in mind that everything you see in the game has to be created by your device from instructions the game gives it. You can do some wacky things by changing your graphics settings.

Like I have basically ZERO grass.
(on purpose)

And no cosmetic bushes, either

It makes it much easier for me to pick out bugs, huntable animals, and forageables from the background since I am partially colorblind

[timid anchor]

yeah thats true, like saturation and so on, but for me it was quite suprising because i didnt change a thing in the settings 😄 do be so brightly orange, thought it was a bug. And didnt think that switch as different medium does so simply other apperance like color. I know programming a game on switch is nothing like on pc but color? 😄 yeah always learning new things

[neat vortex]

The game is much less pretty, though XD

[neat vortex]

Let the rice go unwatered or let it sit before harvesting, and the wet effect will disappear and the original color should return

[timid anchor]

thats a cool setting than and a must have for colorblindness

[timid anchor]

i try this 😄

[neat vortex]

ngl I wish it were a little easier, because some cosmetic rocks out in the world are also "bushes" and then I get 2 feet from them, they suddenly Exist! and then I trip 💀

(because of how I have to set the view distance)

worth it to be able to gather green onion though

[timid anchor]

😄 haha oww i dont know if i should laught or cry 🥲 its funny how u discribe it but i understand it has to be not easy in realworld too. And i heard the red/green glasses for colorblindness are extreme expensive

[neat vortex]

It is mostly just funny and illustrates how even IRL perception is not universal and does not equal reality

My brain/eyeball hardware renders the world using slightly different settings, that's all

[timid anchor]

i love how u discribe and see it

[floral talon]

my fert eating layout has almost finished eating all my fertiliser 😮

[rugged maple]

4 of my crops keep losing their fertilizer at 6am and in the same exact spots .... but my other crops still have the fertilizer / buff?

also what is the diff btwn harvest boost and harvest boost #?

[floral talon]

@rugged maple plants give buffs to adjacent plants to
harvyboost# is how much fert is on there
and without is gets that buff from nearby plant

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/ play around with this tool to see how stuff interacts

[rugged maple]

ohh okay i tried skimming the harvest boost wiki page but wasnt sure, i saw a screenshot of someone with harvest boost 90+ lol

[rugged maple]

i also saw someone make a guide recommending to use a bunch of speedygro fertilizer, but the only way to get that is from the gardening guild shop right?

ok i see some of my crops harvest boost # going up when i add fertilizer to it and some of them just say harvest boost no # 😭

[neat vortex]

Are the ones losing the buff the ones with the #?

[neat vortex]

but also, the ones without a number are getting the buff from a neighboring plant (all 3 grains, apple tree, blueberry bush all give harvest boost buff to plants directly touching them, with a few other rules)

If you put the same buff fertilizer on a plant that already has that buff from a neighbor (companion planting), the fertilizer just stays in the soil and is not consumed/does nothing.

But if the fertilizer is what is giving the buff to the plant, it shows up with a number for how many fertilizer you have stacked on it. Each crop consumes 1 fertilizer per tile at each growth tick while the crop is growing

(If your fertilizers are disappearing faster than expected, then that might be a bug some people are experiencing recently, and it would be awesome if you could submit a bug report on it with as much detail as possible.)

[olive eagle]

I'm a complete noob; so I apologize for the silly question.. but where can I get more garden plots?

[rugged maple]

ohhhh okay i think i get it now, i didnt understand the fertilizer / plant buff interaction 🥹
so harvest boost # is my plants with harvest boost fertilizer but not harvest boost buff from nearby plants
and harvest boost is from the buff from nearby plants so basically putting fertilizer on those doesnt really do anything...? 😭

i was fertilizing those too but i thought it would stack 🥹

or am i still misunderstanding lol 😭 maybe its better to stack quality up fertilizer then if i already have harvest boost from other plants

[twilit frost]

Yeah if it's already getting the harvest boost (HB) from nearby crops then the HB fertilizer does nothing. And do not feel bad for not knowing that I've been playing almost a year and only found out they didn't stack like...a week ago, lol.
Gardening is an interesting aspect because you can customize it to how you want to play. If you want to just grow certain crops that you use for things you like to cook, you can do that. You can optimize for what will make the most money, or most output, or most self sufficient (less weeding/watering). You can even throw it all out the window and just plant what you like.

[neat vortex]

If you're below level 25, yes, definitely. (If you're above level 25 and planting starred seeds, or if you're above level 38, period, you are already guaranteed 100% starred crops and QualityUp buff does not benefit you)

[tame crescent]

you purchase them from badruu, you can only own up to 9 plots

[olive eagle]

Thank you!

[oblique girder]

rember max numbers make human happy

[floral talon]

😮 max dopamine layout very nice

[neat vortex]

That must be SO FUN to run through and harvest 🤩

[floral talon]

and thats why i call it hte max dopamine layout XD

[clear kindle]

ah, that takes me back to my first few days of playing... 81 tomato plants all to seed

[floral talon]

😮 sylva didnt u discover the jarmaker or something

[gaunt thistle]

How do you get so much fert, i only max 400 per havest pls help

[floral talon]

grilled fish

[gaunt thistle]

how many glow worm farms do yall run for it?

[floral talon]

uhm i personally grill some fish if im short of fert but i make that thing run 24/7 with excess meats and mushrooms

[gaunt thistle]

is meat alone not good?

[floral talon]

it wont yield that much but i always have to much of it so im just cleaning storage by dumping that in

[gaunt thistle]

but is meat better than tomatoes? i hunt more than i fish and i also have so much of it and always end up just selling it

[wind aspen]

The palia wiki page gives you an idea on what generates glow worms and how much. Also a brief idea on a strategy you can use.

[floral talon]

output of wormers are based on on item value
if hte item value is super low u get a minimum otherwise it rounds it to the nearest 50c oins or something idk the exact calc but
for the table of each item keep in mind that only the items u can get in serious quantities matter adn that meals value depends on item value that went into them hence grilled fish is high value and ltos of fert and worms

[gaunt thistle]

hgdfhasda i really don't like fishing. does starred ones make a diff?

[floral talon]

starred ones are 50% more value and usually 50% more worms and fert but yeay rounding

[gaunt thistle]

thank you, imma cry my way to the river now

[floral talon]

soybean while grilled fish is the most minmaxed solution it may not be best suited for you

so what do you like doing?

[gaunt thistle]

I like farming but i only plant tomatoes cos they're efficient (they're not good for glow farm tho they give so little worm and fert), i also like hunting so i get meat often. it says here starred grilled meat gives about 6 so i'll prolly also try that.

[floral talon]

due to rounding i generally dump the meats in unprocessed as thats more profit i do use glowwormer only as regular worms are useless to me and their tray fills up to fast

[gaunt thistle]

yep, i also have been sorta farming glow worms. i dont really fish a lot so i only keep 100 on me and sell the rest. my priority is always maximizing profits which why i want the harvestboost so i could have more tomatoes all to seed, preserve, and also sell

i mean i do sell the extra seeds processed

[floral talon]

i mean u could use some mix lineup for less maintenance and no fertiliser requried but its more effort to plant and replant

[gaunt thistle]

but i get unstarred ones still so i sell them too

[floral talon]

you monster ur supposed to jar tomatoes for selling not seed em seeding is for reseeding grrr

[floral talon]

lv?

[gaunt thistle]

yep i tried to do the wheat one i think and it worked just havent found a good layout that benefits all

[gaunt thistle]

i'm still only a week old i'm at lvl 15 farming

not sure if it was u or eliot that said that at lvl 35 everything will be starred

[gaunt thistle]

seeds also sell good so i do it too hahaha i sell both jars and seeds

[floral talon]

25 for starred seeds starred produce and 38 gl getting unstarred again ever

soybean il make u a YOU layout what are u lookign for in a layout? and why arent u farming cotton now whiel its buff is still suefull to you and u need tons of it still anyways as self use fabric to craft jars and furniture and quests

[gaunt thistle]

i dont cook and i havent really started much on the furnitures so i haven't been planting it much ahsdhahsda

i have 20 fabric tho since i last planted it and a stack of cotton if it runs out

i just want a tomato layout that has harvestboost

[lethal tusk]

Hello! I was wondering, for level 5 gardening, what layout should I use? Are you guys using some specific layouts or just plant whatever you want using the palia planner?

[floral talon]

replace potatoes with tomatoes if u really want to only tomatoe

[floral talon]

u can of course plant whatever YOU want and what SUITS YOUR preferences
but low level minmaxed is heavy on cotton to buff star quality till ur hgiher lv and u need tons of fabric for self use anyways so its the best time to get it then

[gaunt thistle]

thank you so much for this, will try this out after my current clears

[floral talon]

so this is what ur happy with? i mean some poeple want to use only tomatoe and spend one hour putting fertiliser in cuz its max dopamine layout

[gaunt thistle]

that's me rn

but im having trouble with fert so im thinking maybe a comp crop

[floral talon]

of course u got trouble with fert u dont do cooking partys dont like fishing and go for max fert usage layout XD you have to sacrifice one of em cuz u dont go tthe crafters to run all ur wormers on meat to keep up

[lethal tusk]

So, what you're saying is that at low level I should plant mostly cotton for fabric and sell the star quality ones?

[gaunt thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

but i got 60k just today for it

too much work tho, i had to use at least 10 of the farming currency to buy fert from budruu

[floral talon]

uhm cotton gives quality up buff(star chance higher) to plants next to it basically
and starred chance scales with lv so higher up u get starred only anyways
so u can plant cotton later cuz u need so much of it but its buff will become useless

in conclusion at lowerr levels is hte best time to plant it though it will delay early money generation as some plants arent ssold but self used but we got max moneys tactics anyways (up to 360k per hour so ur done in like one hour) unles u only wanna make money gardening

[gaunt thistle]

what do u do to for profits btw?

[lethal tusk]

I seeee, alright thank youu

[floral talon]

lazy gardening sale binning items i wont use
epic fish meals party overprepping

[floral talon]

if you need help getting a layout feel free to ask here and il get u one
if u want some assistence in making your own also this is the place to ask questions

[lethal tusk]

Oh sure, if you can give me a layout that would be much appreciated! thank you so much

[gaunt thistle]

i wanna join cake parties but i dont got ingredients, also hesitating switching from tomatoes to apples like everyone else cos i hear it's very useful

[floral talon]

uhm cake partys dont necesarily require apples to partake in but u can ask all about cooking partys in the cooking channel and if u got gardening related questions about cooking partys like what to farm and stuff cuz it matters here u can ask that here to

[floral talon]

look girly i got a library of dozens of layouts XD i dont know which ones u like and i cant even post em all at once
sadly poeple have to be specific with me

warning ignore duh being rude he dont mean it that way

[lethal tusk]

My problem is that I find it veery confusing combining the crops as a beginner ;-; I just returned to Palia a few days ago and I literally have noooo idea what I am doing when it comes to gardening, i have bit of an issue leveling up this skill xD

[floral talon]

mh then i can grab a simpler more flexible one do you mind if its a lane layout or do you only want a sqaure? (sqaure or single lane are the best options due to corner buff theory but poeple want sqaures mostly)

its actually really really simple how the buffs work though
plant gives buff to negihtbours of not the exact same plant type
so cabbage give water retain to its neightbours unels thats also a cabbage
so u can place potatoe and cabbage together and then they both have water retain

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo

basically this layout is the top left soil repeated and showing how u can get the buffs on the larger plants with it by dumping em in as an example

[lethal tusk]

I bought four squares, last thing I remember I tried following a guide I found a few months ago from 2023 https://www.thegamer.com/palia-best-farm-layouts/

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbPCoCrRCrCo.HpCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb.Hp theres also this thing
of which i got full afk and every buff variations but they are tricker to plant sigh

[lethal tusk]

So, that's what I was trying to do so far from what I remember last time I played

[floral talon]

oh yeay this is why we dont use google
most layouts in there are kinda garbage
like there isnt much point in water retain unles its 100% cuz u sitll have to keep coming back to water
weed block u can get near it to star quality u cant 100% it but its ok as cotton goes into the loom for fabric so its no use to get that starred anyways
and we can get 3 buffs 100% without fert 😄 (well onyl 4 fert though on the corners but u can ignore that)

i mean the layouts in there work but what htey are minmaxed to kidna makes no sense and they dont fully do one thing good

like basically a layout wiht weedblokc the weedblokc is useless if you have to comback to water anyways

[lethal tusk]

Yeah, I'm starting to understand, I remember being confused why do I still have to water them if it said 100% water retain, so that's why I thought asking around what should I do instead of using this guide XD

[floral talon]

stuff thats planting needs watering stuff with water retain that was harvestable or has weed on it for one growth tick needs rewatering

[lethal tusk]

Okay, thanks a looot for your help!!

[floral talon]

you welcome

[floral talon]

what i use rn and i was toying with the forwarding option yey

[neat vortex]

I still like to link to specific messages because it puts people into the surrounding chat context (more info available)

forwards strip all context info, sadly

but I guess you could combine 'em and put the link to the message in the comment part of the forwarded message... 🤔

[floral talon]

yeay but i forward my private servers library info dumps so i can store layotus and question answers there and poof with a click to the right channel

[unkempt saddle]

I accidentally sold my apple seed from Naio's lvl 3 friendship reward... What's the easiest way to get a new seed?

I was so pumped for apples

[rare fulcrum]

gardening guild store!

[floral talon]

Begging players who have it

[neat vortex]

Requesting one and asking politely in chat - they're an occasional reward from the Lucky Boxes and some players hold onto the unstarred apple/blueberry seeds for exactly your situation :)

[gaunt thistle]

This what i actually did lmaoo

[burnt badge]

Hello~ I'm still familiarizing myself with gardening and I have a few questions.

1 - Given that I set aside some crops to work on the seed collector. After that do I sell all of my harvest straight to the bin? or do I process them thru preserve jars? If so, should I also process star quality crops to jars?

2 - what to do with star quality seeds. Do I prioritize to plant them or just sell?

I just learned how to plant my crops efficiently but now I move on to maximizing my profits as I enjoy gardening so much

[clear kindle]

1- always process raw crops to either seed or jar, only sell raw crops if you have an overabundance or need a quick gold grab because you're short of what you need to buy. Star quality crops always give 50% more when processed

2- plant star seeds, sell regular ones - star seeds will give a higher chance of giving star quality plants

[floral talon]

potato bokhoi seed
can u jar it jar it exc^
seed for reseed to obviously
do whatever for self use
cotton self use fabric only
seed the rest cuz u cant do anything else with it

[burnt badge]

oooo ok ok I got it thank you always @clear kindle @floral talon

[floral talon]

i mean my shorthand what to do with it isnt 100% complete as u can also worm stuff but that usually costs way to much crafter time
and uhm u can run out of crafter time on some layouts and depending on how much growthticks u get in per day but this is basic reference that will be perfect for like 90% of players

[floral talon]

your welcome

[neat vortex]

You may find these two resources interesting in finding the answer to your first question
1: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/ (ignores worm/glow worm farms as an option)

2. https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit (does not take processing time into account, but includes worm/glow worm farms, INCLUDING for double-processing preserves in a worm farm, in case you need HB fertilizer and want it semi-cheaply/semi-quickly, and passively)

[burnt badge]

I love it when people pull out an excel sheet you know this business is serious 😂 and it's my first time seeing palia tracker, this would be sooo helpful. Thank you!!

[floral talon]

yeay we totally do not obsessively optimise everything in this channel or anything

[neat vortex]

I prefer to think of it as being facilitating any degree of optimization people may care to engage in

Do you want to min/max for gold? effort? cooking ingredient yield? crop variety?

Do you have some specific thing that bugs the absolute snot out of you and/or makes you hate gardening? Bet we can find some kind of workaround or ameliorating process :)

But like, on a basic level... any garden layout/approach that does what you want it to do? is a good layout/approach for you.

[floral talon]

i want a buffless commercial crop GRRR

[burnt badge]

yes at first I was overwhelmed when I saw these layouts and realizing I've been doing everything wrong but after spending some time skimming here I think I'll have my green thumb anytime soon

https://tenor.com/view/flowers-tree-dance-gif-7391218

[floral talon]

once u figure out the guidelines/rulesof thumb is super ez but its not for everyone though

[compact gull]

I got my first apple seed from Zeki's Lucky Ball ...but since you have had one already, may have to request it...

[gaunt thistle]

Hello, i decided to just switch to apples so I could bakes cakes as well for glow worms, what would be the most optimal comp layout with it that has both harvestboost and as well as water retain

[floral talon]

u just want max apples?

[gaunt thistle]

is apple alone good for profit?

[floral talon]

this si what i use cuz im lazy its max lazy apples
but i got more layouts for apples

[gaunt thistle]

or is apple too early for me?

[gaunt thistle]

oki i will try

[floral talon]

no but lower levels u probs wanna change weedblock plants into cotton for quality up so u get ur apples starred

[gaunt thistle]

ooh, okay i will. i still need to more weeds so..

that sounded wrong ajshfja

[floral talon]

gl weeding

[gaunt thistle]

btw if I don't harvest the other crops apart from apple, does it despawn?

some say they don't harvest it so they dont have to replant

is that true?

[neat vortex]

Yes, if you don't harvest, the crop will stay forever and will give its buff to surrounding crops, too. But if your goal is money, then tiles you don't harvest are not making you anything, obviously.

[floral talon]

or if u want xp

[crystal wasp]

Does anyone have an idea as to why all my crops are coming out at star quality? Usually I wouldn't mind, but I'm running really low on regular wheat, carrots, and onions. I use those for cooking when I don't need star ingredient food.

I recently cleared all my connected soil plots and separated them. I planted all regular seeds and I didn't add any fertilizer buffs at all.

[drifting violet]

What's your Gardening level?? I believe at level 50(?) all crops, regardless of starting seed, are harvested at star quality

[crystal wasp]

I believe 26, bordering on 27

[drifting violet]

I misremembered, it's level 38 that ALL crops are starred, 25 is the threshold for when that starts to ramp up per Ren's post here: #🌱│gardening message

it's the blessing and curse of levelling up 😅

[crystal wasp]

Ahhh, gotcha. That makes sense now. I thought I was loosing my mind, haha. I honestly wouldn't mind, but it's a pain to try to cook things without using the star ingredients option. Because sometimes I'm low on starred dari, spice root, garlic, ginger, etc. So it's just annoying that it's either or. Wish you could select that option and it only uses the star ingredients you have and just uses the regular options for everything else.

[drifting violet]

You would think it worked that way, but nope! 🤭 makes cooking a little bit of a pain unfortunately

[crystal wasp]

I could have sworn it used to. But maybe that was back when I first started, so the recipes I had at the time didn't use the foragable ingredients as much. Thanks for the info! I'll have to adjust what focus food I'm cooking from now on.

[neat vortex]

What happens when you select the "use starred" option and try to cook a recipe where you don't have one of the ingredients in star quality? Can you screenshot?

This problem keeps coming up but nobody seems to get back to me about what happens ;_;

[crystal wasp]

I just logged off, but I'll try to remember to take a screenshot tomorrow. I'm 99% sure that when I select the "use starred" option, it will show me the amount I have of each starred ingredient. Let's say for example I have all starred ingredients available besides one, I don't think it will let me cook that recipe. It won't substitute a regular ingredient for a starred one (wild ginger for example).

I hope that makes sense. And again, I could be wrong. But I remember this being the case for something I tried to cook recently because I put all my starred dari in my safe storage instead of regular. So it wouldn't let me make the dish because I didn't have star quality dari cloves available.

[neat vortex]

Thanks for explaining, it makes sense but I'd really love to see those screenshots, because I haven't had anybody I cook with mention that issue (and we routinely check "use starred" because we're trying for starred food most of the time, and try not to use starred forageables if we don't have to)

So I'm really curious about what's going on there so I can maybe help the other folks who have been asking your same question :)

[crystal wasp]

For sure, I totally get how seeing the screenshot will make more sense. I'll make a note to take a picture tomorrow and post it in this thread and tag you in it.
Thanks so much for being so helpful, much appreciated

Also, it sucks other people appear to be describing the same issue as me. Hopefully the screenshot helps us make sense of it!

[arctic marsh]

I requested to have some apple seeds. Is anyone able to fill the request?

[neat vortex]

Any luck so far?

[crystal wasp]

Wow you have crazy timing, haha! I was just about to test it out. Give me a few minutes and I'll get screenshots.

[neat vortex]

lol I just realized the channel... could you actually do me a favor and post the screenshots in #🍳│cooking-foraging, if you don't mind?

[crystal wasp]

Omg, it's back to normal again. I put all of my starred garlic in safe storage to see what it would look like, and it's fine. It will let me make the dish with the quality ingredients option, even if I don't have certain starred ingredients.

I could have sworn it wouldn't let me before, but now it's working!

[neat vortex]

Yaaaay glad it's working \o/

If it pops up again, screenshot time!

[crystal wasp]

Me too! It's that classic thing that something doesn't work, but as soon as you go to show someone else, everything is perfectly fine 😂

Thank you for all your help, though!

[neat vortex]

What's really hilarious is that (at least when things are working properly) you can check "use starred" and it will still let you make the recipe if you have zero starred ingredients 😂

[crystal wasp]

That is really funny. I'll have to try that out sometime!

[past hare]

can you un hoe land ?

[floral talon]

no it untills itself in 48reallife hours

[stoic crescent]

Could I have someone that's really experienced with gardening and profit output help me with my layout? I really -really- enjoy my farming layout. I really like how simple and aesthetically pleasing it is, but I feel my profitiblity is pretty low. I think my tomato preserves are nice, and the potato seeds are ok tho they take a good while to finish. My biggest issue atm is rice. I really like how the quickness in growth / seed production the rice makes, but it feels really low in value. I was thinking about switching it out for something else but not for sure what. Also the wheat just gets stored b/c for some reason I seem to go through it really quickly for very little profit.

I'd like to keep my apple tree, but I'm ok losing the blueberry bushes. Here's my layout atm.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-BBTBBPPRT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TBBPBBTRP-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT

Basically the only thing I'm selling are tomato preserves, rice seeds, and potato seeds when I can spare them. I'm currently level 14 in gardening and still fairly new to the game. Any advice would be much appreciated ❤️ ^^b

[uneven sedge]

In terms of profit

• Water Retention: Potato > Tomato
• Harvest Boost: Rice > Corn > Wheat

Even if your machines can’t keep up with yields from potatoes, selling them as raw crops is still better than tomatoes.

Since the garden planner doesn’t consider “processing time” and assumes that all crops are processed
Here are some of my findings by taking “number of machines” and “how often each plant grows per day”.
Also I used opportunity cost instead of seed cost which should be more accurate.

(Sorry for the color, currently on phone)

[neat vortex]

Hi there, do you participate or plan to participate in cooking parties for profit? e.g., rare fish sashimi

[stoic crescent]

Tysm for all the info! This is super helpful. I see rice is the better between the other veggies. I'll keep it going.

[stoic crescent]

I don't! I have to look into cooking parties still, but I'll check that out ^^ That sounds like a good use for the rice though.

[uneven sedge]

If you want, I can adjust “number of machines” that you currently have and “tick per day”, then send the result to you which should reflect yours better.

[neat vortex]

Any chance you could share that spreadsheet? I've been trying to work out how to integrate growth ticks per day into calculations for how many crafters you'd need to process it all and hadn't managed it yet lol

[stoic crescent]

That's ok! I'd hate to ask you to do that work. Those numbers are a great resource and I'll trust all the work you've put into them. I don't have anything to compare my profits too besides some other plans I've seen posted online. I'm sure it's fine. Tysm for all your help ^-^

[uneven sedge]

Sure if you don’t mind how user-unfriendly it is right now XD

[neat vortex]

I don't mind!

[neat vortex]

You misestimate how much fun it is for a spreadsheeter to be able to answer questions ;)

using the shiny new tool we tweaked into being

[stoic crescent]

LOL! That's true! Ok let me breakdown what I'm running atm. I apologize for how ineffiecient everything is. I just started about a week and a half ago so I'm still buying crafting writs / etc.

Seed Hoppers: 5 Rice starred, 4 Potato starred (I run lower amounts b/c I seem to run out of potatoes for some reason). Sometimes I'll run 3 hoppers instead of 4 to get seeds for like apples, tomatoes, wheat, etc - whatever I might need.

Preservers: 4 tomatoes starred, and 1 hopper for jams for gifting (blueberry / apple)

Lastly I run a worm farm that uses the rest of the excess tomatoes I have for the fertilizer on my apple tree.

[uneven sedge]

One thing that should be done is to “consider seed processing time for crops that better be sold as pickles”.
Still it shouldn’t affect the current results that much.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xsKP4Q7fFIldyRxHX22m5uBtqZjmy7RzEuFrESjeu-Y/

Basically I just compare “machine capacity” with “crop yields” and sell excess as raw crops

[uneven sedge]

Actually it’s just changing 2 numbers and that’s it XD

It matters because for example

• Bok Choy
  • it is the most profitable in theory
  • but in reality it could be the least profitable crops to plant
  • because the yield from raw crops is so high and a lot of them would be sold as raw crop since we wouldn’t have enough machines to process them

So it really depends on how active each player is and the number of machines

[stoic crescent]

I see! I've been able to be pretty active lately, but tbh I can't really play too much. The machines are definitely a staple in my gameplay. That makes a lot of sense. A super helpful player gave me a great layout in replacing some of the tomatoes with bok choy, even fixed my tree buff. I was planning on trying it out soon. It's good to know that bok choy is most profitable to be harvested while the others are good to throw in a machine and forget about them for a bit. Tysm for all this finfo and advice!

[neat vortex]

Yes, bok choy's on-paper profitability is pretty sharply limited in its ability to scale up, depending on your playtime-to-idle-time ratio and number of available crafters

It is more resilient to harvesting delays than a lot of other crops, though

[somber cosmos]

I think i'm growing some flowers

[floral birch]

What is the best garden layout seeds? Want money and afk

[mint sandal]

Depends what your gardening level is, how often you play, what you want in the garden and what you do with the crops (preserve, seed, cooking parties, etc.)

This is my current layout, it's got at least 1 of everything except cotton but you can easily replace some of the rice to add it in. I don't play much so I focus on rice since I tend to go to epic sushi/sashimi parties more than any other kind of food parties. I turn most of the bok choy into seeds, keep enough for 2 or 3 replant and sell the rest. The rest of the crops I turn into preserves to sell and keep some stashed away for cooking. Layout serves me good so far, and you don't have to worry about watering and weeding with this one either
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

You can find any AFK layout that works for you and tweak it for profit. I'll share one possibility in a moment. :)

Before You Start

Keep in mind that gardening is mostly passive revenue and all of the calculations typically assume passive, solo processing using crafters.

If you are willing to go to cooking parties (active processing), group cooking will frequently MULTIPLY your revenue compared to solo processing. But obviously those don't work while you sleep.

General Principles for Gardening Revenue

• plant starred seeds (until gardening level 38, then you can plant either)
• harvest boost buff as close to 100% as you can get it - HB fertilizer is worth using to cover gaps, pays for itself
• if under gardening level 25, QualityUp fertilizer is beneficial if you already have HB on a crop from companion planting
• process excess crops before selling. General algorithm for most players/layouts: bok choy and potatoes as seeds. Otherwise, if you can jar it, jar it. Everything else process into seeds.

Money Makers

The general order of revenue per tile per growth tick for solo processing only is:

• bok choy
• potatoes
• tomatoes (if you stay on top of harvests)
• rice (also useful for for-profit sashimi and sushi)
• corn/cotton/wheat - but recommend only growing cotton below level 25
• apples (mostly useful for cake party participation options and for reducing labor, since long-growing)
• carrot and onion - basically tied with apples (onions can be double-processed jar -> reg worms and also used for epic poke bowl parties)
• napa cabbage, blueberry, and spicy peppers (utility crops)

See here for numbers and processing suggestions: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/
Note that this doesn't take processing time or limited crafter slots into account, and assumes you always harvest/replant on time.

[neat vortex]

Here's an AFK for-profit layout I like - works for any level of gardener as long as you have 9 soil plots.

The Bullseye

created by Khan the Windseeker (mentorkurt)
Crops in the diagram are just examples!

Here's a version tweaked a bit for profit - more rice (though this may be difficult to process effectively - so, best for sashimi/sushi plans) and swapped around the center plot for better cash crop distribution.

You can also use carrots instead of onions.

Fertilizer is technically optional, but of course recommended.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTOBkWRORP-BkPTRWRTOBk-OBkP.HRWTPRO-TRBkPWOBkRT-PBkPRWRPTP-TRBkOWPBkRT-ORPTWRP.HBkO-BkOTRWRTPBk-PRORWBkOTP.H

[floral birch]

If I want use apples?

[neat vortex]

How many apple trees do you want?

They are in the middle, profit-wise, not good but not terrible. But they are less work since they grow for so long and take up so much room.

[neat vortex]

similar concept with 1 apple tree

Cross Layout

created by Astraea Moreno

You can use wheat instead of corn if you want, or carrots instead of onions

(I don't have a fancy graphic for this one yet, lol)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPCrBkORCrRBk-OBkTPCrPTRO-CrBkT.HROPBkRCr-TPOBkCrROPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPORCrBkOPT-CrRBkPORT.HBkCr-ORTPCrPTBkO-BkRCrROBkCrPT.H

And finally: more apple trees!

4 Apples, AFK Style / Apple Diamond Layout

created both by DuhScape and by me

Less profit and a little more fertilizer, but also less replanting work.
This one is good if you tend to spend a lot of time out of the house, since you lose fewer growth ticks to delays
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HBkRTP.HTRBkO-AAAAAAAAA-OBkR.HTP.HTRBkO-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRTO.HTRBkP-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRTO.HTR.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-OTRBkP.HBkRTO.H

[floral talon]

really i always thought that was a diamond layout but then again i connect the apples in my mind

[neat vortex]

That's a good name for it!

Stealing that :)

[floral talon]

😄

[floral talon]

😮 im almost lv 100 gardening

[floral talon]

lv 100 gardening obtained WOOT

[stable ginkgo]

Nice Duhscape!

[ivory lagoon]

how does fert work? i feel like when i use it on my crops it makes no difference but i am prob doing it wrong... lol

[floral talon]

fert giv esbuff but i t consumes fert
plants also gives buffs

[neat vortex]

This post might go some way toward answering your questions: #🌱│gardening message

[ivory lagoon]

so for harvest boost i should be using it for everytime i water pretty much?

[neat vortex]

I actually recommend that you stack it up at least a few times on your crops that need it, so it doesn't run out by accident, since you run the risk of losing the buff effect with even one missed growth tick.

[neat vortex]

(Any fertilizer that the plant doesn't consume should stay in the soil until you replant, too, so it's not like it will be wasted if you stack it up further than "a few times")

[past hare]

is there a max on crop plots?

[neat vortex]

Yes, 9 per account

[past hare]

dang

[sonic flare]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-SpSpPSpSpTRCrR-TBBCBBCrCP-RSpSpCrSpSpRTT-BBPBBCTCCr-AAAAAAAAA-CrCPCBBPBB-PTRSpSpCrSpSpR-PCCrBBCBBT-RCrRTSpSpPSpSp

asking for any improvements

[past hare]

i need a garden that can grow everything but also gives me a big of income but idk what to do 😓

also do you have to replant fertalizer everyday?

[neat vortex]

For the answer to this, scroll up just a little bit :) We were just talking about it

[floral birch]

Tysm @neat vortex for all the information!!! Im gonna use it today

[neat vortex]

There are many many options for this if you search this channel for keywords like "everything garden," or even just searching for, like. cotton has:image or cotton has:link (assuming you want to grow cotton)

Let me find you my all-purpose "can grow everything" layouts, though

[neat vortex]

Here's one option: #🌱│gardening message
and here is another: #🌱│gardening message

There was also recent talk in the channel about how to optimize for revenue, but pretty much any AFK layout that has space for at least one bush, one apple tree, and a few grain tiles can accommodate all crops with some clever swaps.

[restive yoke]

Thank you!

[quiet swift]

anyone know a faster way to upskill gardening to lvl 10 without having to keep watering and tilling all the darn time

[drifting violet]

DuhScape and Ren have posted some nice layouts that are mostly AFK except for replanting, you can search this channel for them 😄

[gaunt thistle]

i did the tomato x potato combo

[gaunt thistle]

what is the best way to profit off of apple? seed, preserve, or cakes?

[uneven sedge]

Preserve
imo apple is too costly for cake, use blueberry instead
(someone else please correct me if I'm wrong)

[floral talon]

Cake partys only allow apple though

[bitter path]

Left my tomatoes sitting for a long time because I've been hunting hard-core. It made me harvest them twice at the same time and I got double the usual tomatoes. Is this normal or a glitch?

[uneven sedge]

any specific reason for this?

if I'm not wrong, Blueberry produces about 43% more than Apple per hour per slot.
This makes Apple rarer compared to Blueberry.

And if we put them into jar machine

• while Apple takes longer to process, it has a little higher Gold per hour at 113.68 Gold compared to Blueberry at 111.75 Gold
• also the price of Apple jar is 144 Gold which is a lot higher than Blueberry jar which is 88 Gold

So Blueberry should be a better choice for making cake as it's cheaper and more plentiful as an ingredient unless it affects the price of the cake.
Sorry I'm still new and learning, though there might be other reasons but the Math doesn't add up here.

[floral talon]

Poeple make cake for money cuz they dont know moneypartyscexist personally i eat my cake
Also having same fruit combos used allows cake to be stacked

[neat vortex]

If you are eating the cakes, then blueberries would be better. But cake parties are for cakes to sell primarily (though some people do eat them).

The value of cooked items is based on the total unstarred sell value of the ingredients used, so using all apples makes cakes that are worth more than ones using blueberries. Using starred apples increases the chance that the recipe will turn out starred, and starred items are worth 50 percent more than unstarred versions.

So, most cake parties require starred apples.

[uneven sedge]

that makes sense! thanks a lot : )

[neat vortex]

Any time! You seem like a theorycrafter after my own heart :D

[uneven sedge]

I wouldn't call myself TC but just wanna be optimal as it's how I enjoy the game XD

[neat vortex]

I like knowing the answer to things that have answers, lol

[neat vortex]

re: leveling up, give this a look, if you are so inclined: #🌱│gardening message

The tilling is unavoidable (soil untills itself every 48 RL hours) though you can get away with tilling "less" if you get more than one replant in during that period.

[floral talon]

Optimised casual

[neat vortex]

It's a glitch, I think. I experience it occasionally, too. It's beneficial for multi-harvest crops, but it also results in extra fertilizer being consumed on single-harvest crops, lol!

What I suspect is happening is that when you are online but out of the house for long periods (multiple growth ticks) and then come back home, the game runs the check for how many growth ticks first (which also consumes fertilizer), and THEN runs the check for "is this plant harvestable?"

So you get credit for all of those growth ticks and they become "harvest ready" twice. (Meanwhile, if you're home, they become harvestable and then stop.)

[fair geyser]

hi! sorry if this has been discussed, but what can I put in my glow worm maker to get the most glow worms each time? or is that a silly question lol

[wind pawn]

i find apples are good, probably not the best, but they give 2 worms as well as 30 quality fertilizer

[floral talon]

coin value of item determines wormers output of it with a minimum
and some rounding after the minimum
so more output needed dump more expensive stuff in like grilled fish

[neat vortex]

If you want highest yield per hour (though I want to know why), then it's as DuhScape said. It's directly proportional to the sell value of whatever you put in. More expensive stuff = more glow worms.

You can roughly estimate the number of glow worms by dividing the sell value by 50 (i.e., half of the value divided by 25, which is how much glow worms are worth) and then rounding.

You can't get back half a worm, so the minimum number of glow worms is 1. This also means that you can get very cheap glow worms if you feed them things worth 11g or 16g, like meat and common forageables.

[fair geyser]

Thank you!

That’s a good point, I really should just focus on putting more into my glow worms

[neat vortex]

Someone recently was asking about getting fertilizer from worm/glow worm farms and if you were selling the worms to pay for the fertilizer vs using them, but now I can't find it

[past hare]

anyone have a farm thats good for the crab fried rice?

[neat vortex]

For that you need corn, rice, peppers, and cabbage - assuming you want to cook it all yourself, but it's a pretty tough recipe to solo. Unforgiving timer.

Corn and rice can be substituted in on any layout that has grain tiles (rice, wheat, corn all give the harvest boost buff, so they are "synonyms")

Cabbage can sub in for tomatoes or potatoes (all give water retain buff)

Peppers can kind of sub in for blueberries, but peppers give qualityup, not harvest boost, so you'd have to use fertilizer on the crops around it maybe

What else do you want to be growing?

[past hare]

Idk really what else I’ll prob just do tomatos and or apples cus they are good for money

[neat vortex]

How many growth ticks do you get per week and how many rounds of SCFR do you want to do weekly?

[past hare]

I don’t even know what that means

[neat vortex]

Which part?

[past hare]

All of it

[uneven sedge]

Basically Ren raised some concerns about the dish and also asked for your playstyle since it matters unless you don’t care about optimization

SCFR probably refers to Spicy Crab Fried Rice

Growth Tick

• plants in the garden grow every hour (1 tick per hour)
• it requires you to be online at least once per hour for it to “tick”
• specifically it starts counting at every first 15-minute mark of irl time (e.g. 12:15, 13:15, 14:15, …)

So in short, how often do you log in and how many hours do you play a day (or week)

[neat vortex]

Thanks, Zylen, very tired and couldn't figure out how to answer lol

Basically, Theodore, I don't want to give you a layout that doesn't have enough of one of the crops to make enough of the food

My own personal layout has 6 tiles for rice, and that's more than enough to harvest 100 rice in a week for me - but I play 12+ hours most days lol

[neat vortex]

Here's my best stab at one option (based on my less-fruit All the Everything garden) - I like this layout because the grains are harvest boosted without fertilizer/it takes advantage of having 2 grain types
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HP.HCb.HBk.HSpSpCb.HSpSp-O.HPCrBkCb.HBkCrPO-ROCb.HPBk.HPCb.HOR-P.HCbCrBkO.HBkCrCbP-AAAAAAAAA-PCbCrBkO.HBkCrCbP.H-ROP.HCbBk.HCbP.HOR-OPCrBkCb.HBkCrPO.H-SpSpCb.HSpSpBk.HCb.HP.HO.H

And this layout (All the Everything) can also be adapted for it, if you have more playtime per week and don't need as many tiles producing cooking ingredients

• replace wheat with corn and rice
• replace tomatoes OR potatoes with napa cabbage (to choose which one to keep: potatoes are more money, but tomatoes are less replanting work)
  https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-O.HCb.HTSpSpBk.HSpSpO.H-W.HBkT.HPC.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPC.HPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPC.HPT.HBkW.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTCb.HO.H-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H

[paper rain]

I am so tired of gardening, Grandpa 😩

[floral talon]

Damm

[past hare]

Oh I play easily at least 8 hours a day

[neat vortex]

Alright, cool, so we don't need to cram in so many single-tile crops if you want more apple trees

[neat vortex]

Alright, in that case, try this one on for size:

🦀🍚 SCFR-optimized AFK Layout

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HBkO.HCbP.HCbOBkR-Bk.HCb.HTSpSpO.HSpSpBk.H-Cr.HOT.HPBk.HPTOCr-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkTPO.HPTBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-CrOTPBk.HPT.HOCr.H-Bk.HSpSpO.HSpSpTCb.HBk.H-RBkOCbP.HCbO.HBkR.H
You probably don't REALLY need 2 pepper bushes... but if you are the type to stay on top of your garden, with 8 hours a day, this should produce enough of the Spicy Crab Fried Rice ingredients to make at least 130 rounds (times cooking the recipe) of the stuff every week.

(Estimated 52 growth ticks per week, or just over 7 growth ticks per day, to be on the conservative side to account for missed growth ticks due to being late on replanting, etc.)

It will also produce a WHOLE lot of tomatoes, potatoes, and bok choy (solo-processed cash crops). Onions can be used to participate in poke parties for money, though you can also just pickle them. Likewise, apples give you the option to participate in cake parties as a fruit froster, though you can always just jam them.

You probably don't REALLY need 2 pepper bushes (you'd get over 200 peppers per week with this layout), but the second one is included for symmetry. Maybe some weeks it can be a blueberry bush instead, or you can just mirror the L-shape of crops to make a full ring, like the second image.

[whole atlas]

Yo. Kinda new player here. I made this plot, but i'm unsure if there's anything i can do better or different? Main focus is profit, and optimisation. Please don't hesitate to give me feedback! 😄

[floral talon]

low on harvest boost

[whole atlas]

What range of HB would you say is the optimal? 🙂

[floral talon]

for profit 100%

xp doesnt really care and for just self use also 100% cuz harvest boost is u get 50% more produce practically lets ignore detials of when u miss harvest boost for one growthstage of a plant

[uneven sedge]

May I assume that one of your goals is to have both Water Retain and Weed Prevention at 100%?

[whole atlas]

yes, so that it is fully self going. So i dont have to do anything other than to harvest and replant/water

[uneven sedge]

If that's the case and your main focus is "profit", then it will be impossible without fertilizers.
As mentioned above, your layout should have 100% Harvest Boost but it required fertilizers to have all 3 buffs at 100%.

[whole atlas]

Tho my main focus is not only profit, but also optimisation. So with that said, it is more important for me to have harvest boost as high as possible while still having the two others at 100. So far ive gotten it up to 38% tho still going over the strategy to see if i can get it higher

[uneven sedge]

imo, If using fertilizers isn't something you can do right now, you should prioritize 100% Harvest Boost and Water Retain for the time being.

[whole atlas]

I do use fertilizers, tho i tend to forget them xD Even tho i have like 500 in my worm farms

[uneven sedge]

ahh okay!

so in short, you wanna maximize Harvest Boost as high as possible while maintaining 100% Water Retain and Weed Prevention.
Then the rest will be filled with fertilizers, minimizing usages of this.

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you? :)

[whole atlas]

Yes sir!

[uneven sedge]

I'll leave this to Ren then XD

[whole atlas]

only 11. But ive also only played for a week or so

[neat vortex]

Nice! Okay, so cotton does still benefit you a little bit. Won't hurt much to grow it for now and reduce how much cash you need to generate to cover fabric needs.

(also accomplishments etc etc.)

I wonder if the Cross Layout would be good for you right now

see here: #🌱│gardening message

[whole atlas]

Yeah the cotten is there cuz i only have 3 presevers machines so far, and i wanna get a few more. With my current setup i generate about 30k every time i sell everything. (once irl day or so) But i wanna see if i can get that number up xD

[neat vortex]

Yeah, crafting licenses can be a big early expense, but they pay SO many dividends

[whole atlas]

Love the layout! Tho only thing missing is the cotten wich i would need to make fabric for presevers 😦

[floral talon]

ren go tell em about the ultymate money making method XD

[neat vortex]

You CAN just straight up buy fabric

[whole atlas]

Oh, im already at 20 machines xd its not really a big deal for me rn

[floral talon]

no the horror its illegal how dare you

[whole atlas]

Wat .-. Where?

[neat vortex]

Bok choy tiles beat cotton tiles for fabric production nodnod
*with harvest boost and 100% starred crops, processed as seeds

[floral talon]

but dont he need the quality up buff anyways

never mind i assume u got this

[neat vortex]

The cash register in the furniture shop (not Tish herself) - same place you buy the lockbox and storage upgrade recipes

[whole atlas]

Got all my things in star form, not an issue atm

[neat vortex]

By level 11, HB way outstrips QU for profit potential, and QU is available from fertilizer if you have 100% HB from layout

[whole atlas]

Nah... I did not know that was a thing 😭 Only knew u could buy really expensive silk there 😭

[neat vortex]

The fabric IS 190g each. But it takes 2 cotton to make 1 fabric, so a harvest boosted cotton plant gives you 1.5 fabric every 5 days, i.e., 57g per tile per growth tick (assuming you otherwise buy your fabric)

Starred bok choy? 88g per tile per growth tick (with harvest boost)

Starred HB potatoes come in at 72g per tile per growth tick, and rice is 66 sorry, 64

I think

[whole atlas]

Would u Prio tomatos or potatoes then? As WR?

[neat vortex]

That depends on playstyle, really. Potatoes are a bit more per tile per growth tick, but tomatoes need half as much replanting work.

Only thing with tomatoes is that they need to be checked on more often to harvest them on time, otherwise they lose value fast if they are left sitting with fruit on the vine instead of continuing to grow.

So, it just depends on what you prefer. Potatoes yield more as seeds, tomatoes get preserved. I personally have them 50/50 balanced in my layout (well, normally; right now I've got some of the tomatoes subbed out for cabbage for cooking reasons)

[whole atlas]

Okay great! Cuz my current setup is mostly also 50/50 with tomato and potato. But still not 100 on harvest boost.

[whole atlas]

But i think ill try this layout out, and see how well that goes for me! Thank you Ren! 😄 You've been much helpfull! 😄

[neat vortex]

Sure thing! Happy to help, and be sure to report back :)

"Optimized" is always going to be based on YOU and not (only) on some theoretical number-crunching

[whole atlas]

That is true! xD As a Production optimiser, it's fun to use those skills in a game i enjoy 😂

[neat vortex]

Ooh I'd love to hear more of what you've figured out whenever you have the time

[whole atlas]

Ofc my guy! Ive spendt most of my day today (after work) trying to get a farm to do what i want it to 😂 The first farm i sent was just the "final" solution for today, as it is 3 am rn 😂

[vast falcon]

Hi friends! I've been playing for a few months now and am in the process of revamping my plot.

Below is my current garden set up. Based on the shape, what would you recommend as the optimal planting order if I want to optimize apple production / money making crops with minimal attention? (I.e. watering)

(Waiting for the remaining apple trees and blueberry bush to put out their final yields before I have a clean slate!)

[neat vortex]

I can't quite tell from the image, but I assume you have 5 soil plots on the top row and 4 on the bottom, offset by 1 column of tiles on the left and 2 on the right?

[vast falcon]

Correct!

[neat vortex]

I can't get too deep into it rn (multiroling at a party, lol) but you can use this as a starting point maybe: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-N.WNNN.WNNN.WNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NN.WN.WNN.WN.WNN.WN.W
obviously the spaces marked with fert are to be left blank

Other folks are likely to have some ideas about how to use your layout :)

[vast falcon]

Tysm!

[neat vortex]

Took a quick stab at something but my usual algorithms don't work that well for offsets, lol
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-R.HBkTPO.HPT.HBkR-AAAAAAAAA-RPOBkT.HBkOPR-AAAAAAAAA-RBkT.HPO.HPTBkR.H-N.WTCrN.WP.HON.WT.HBk.H-RBkTPO.HPT.HBkR-AAAAAAAAA-RPOBkT.HBkOPR-P.HN.WN.WTN.WN.WCrN.WN.W

All y'all take that ^ as a challenge to outdo it :)

Can you fit in more apple trees while still maintaining 100% water retain?

[whole atlas]

U know imma try 😂 Challange acceptet

[floral talon]

i got series 1 sticker pack from tilling my soils 😮

[neat vortex]

FOUR apples this time... 2 tiles would need weedblock fert, though, and otherwise it uses a fair chunk of HB
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-T.HP.HBkP.HT.HO.HBk.HOBk-RAATAAPAA-AOBkAPT.HARBk-RAAPAAOAA-AOBk.HAPT.HARBk-N.WA.HA.HN.WA.HA.HN.WA.HA.H-A.HBkOA.HPT.HA.HTO.H-RAAPAABkAA-ATBkAPO.HARBk-RN.WN.WPN.WN.WT.HN.WN.W

[clear kindle]

unless you just harvest the apples......

[whole atlas]

Took a shot at it. Tho i dont have as much weed prevention, but it does use less HB fertilizer 😄 And ofc 4 apple trees.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-T.HOP.HPR.HOBk.HOBk-TAAPAARAA-ATAAPAARA-AATAAPAAR-O.HTRBk.HPBkOT.HO.H-NT.HPNBkRNP.HT-AAAAAAAAA-RAAPAATAA-ARBkAPBk.HATO-T.HNNPNNRNN

[shell belfry]

can anyone recomend the best way to get as much gardening xp as possible? Maybe there's a better way, i never invested in gardening but seems different plants give different amount of xp so maybe there's smth better to grow for that? Im 25 lvl atm and feels sooo slow to get lvls on it

[whole atlas]

Here u go 😄 Those are the base exp u get from each harvest

[floral talon]

they all the same per tile per growthtick so whatever makes u get in the most grows

u can use this without the harvest fert ifd u only want xp its least effort per xp as stuff just keeps growing alot XD

[shell belfry]

Thank you a lot! Gonna check later which way im gonna do it then. I didnt know that wiki shows xp per harvest

[floral talon]

at least im pretty sure everything is the same xp per tile per growthtick but i never botherec to do the math

[neat vortex]

It is

[floral talon]

ren tho the rescue hell yeay

[neat vortex]

You might find some of this post helpful? #🌱│gardening message

It is just slow, though. It's heavily gated by playtime

[whole atlas]

Is it? Just did the math, and looked into how many days each take to grow, and how much exp u get from each. This shows that Apples is clear winners of EXP u get? Might be wrong tho.

[neat vortex]

per TILE per growth tick (for all harvests)

Apples are 270 XP * 4 harvests / 9 tiles / 30 days

4 base XP per tile per growth tick, same as everything else. (Other multiharvest plants work similarly.)

[whole atlas]

Ah okay, that makes more sense then 😂 My bad 😦

[neat vortex]

All good :) Did that little explainer get removed from the XP page?

[whole atlas]

Nope, just didnt read it 😂 I overlooked it.

[neat vortex]

Oh, good, I'm glad it's still there!

[whole atlas]

Yeah, my dyslexic brain just didnt register it before u told me 😂

[neat vortex]

Noooo worries, thanks for checking on it for me

[whole atlas]

No problem my guy! Had it open anyway

[crisp grove]

Could I get some help/advice on a garden plot layout for tomato, potato, and blueberry? I want to maximize yield of each plant as much as possible, but I'm having trouble trying to figure out the planner. I've kind of just planted however I have wanted this entire time I've played (almost a year) and haven't tried to min/max anything, but I need to start doing a bit more to stay ahead of my needs. I want to preserve all potatoes and tomatoes to chuck in the worm bins, and blueberries are for cakes.

[floral talon]

u dont do cakepartys or do u do blueberrycakepartys? cuz most cakepartys do not allow blueberrys

[crisp grove]

I make blueberry cakes for focus foods, I don't do cakes for money. I do starred apple jams for my passive income mainly.

[floral talon]

just making sure we dont get u that layout and then u finding out it wasnt what u can use at all XD

but if u do starred aple jam for money dont u need blue berry and apple layout?

or do u rotate layouts?

[crisp grove]

I do 9 apple trees at once and do a whole bunch of jams at one time, and then rotate to regular crops to generate worms, worm food, and then get booster for apples

I will sometimes then grow other things as needed in between, like cotton, peppers, etc. But my main rotations go 9 apple trees to full harvest, then potato tomato blueberry for needs

[floral talon]

u do those 9 apples with harvestboost fert?

[crisp grove]

Yes I do

[floral talon]

ok one blueberry layout lets go

[floral talon]

i do not have a better max blueberry harvy/waterretain one

[crisp grove]

Thanks, I'm definitely gonna give this a try this weekend

[neat vortex]

Oh that's a fun one

[past hare]

I wish to the Palia gods for more farming plots

[harsh nexus]

Hello,I want to share with you my plot intended to the maximum ⭐ Apples, for a Cake party. Apples ,Rice and wheat for maximum harvest boost,and Quality fertilizer boost.Last plot its optional for ur preferences. (IMPORTANT this is for lvl 25 gardening and higher,with lower lvl of gardening its only 50%/70% star Apples)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11-11-11-01_CROPS-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-R.QW.QR.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-R.QW.QR.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QR.QW.QR.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QR.QW.QR.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QR.QW.QR.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QR.QW.QR.Q-NNNNNNNNN

[whole atlas]

Love this layout my guy! Really well done! 😄

[floral talon]

It was a rushjob though xd can probs make it better or more minmaxed to something

[whole atlas]

Really really well done tho! Especially if its a rushjob 😂

[floral talon]

I could have done better 😭

[whole atlas]

Nah dont downplay yourself buddy! 😄

[floral talon]

Dont worry once im back at pc il improve it xd in 5 min

[whole atlas]

ill look forward to it! Im sure its gonna be a really good layout! 😄

[floral talon]

Yeay i forgot tonoptimise that one …

[floral talon]

nvm apparently i got it perfect on the first try ...

[whole atlas]

THATS WHAT I SAID! 😂

[past hare]

will plants still grow if they have weeds on them?

[floral talon]

no

infact to make it even worse if u got to many NINE weeds uhm no plants will grow even those without em
unles on plot but it wont save them as grown unles u update the soils by watering or apoplying fert or haarvesting or any interaction with them ...
player suupport said weed ur weeds

[fickle isle]

am screwed here

[fickle isle]

how far?

ty

[harsh cargo]

More updates seed please

[harsh cargo]

For no flower seed

[uneven fulcrum]

Hello ! Quick question, can you de-plant a seed that has already been planted ?

Okay, thanks !

Do you know how to do it on steam deck ? I cant get it out 😂

[mint sandal]

Don't you need level 10 to unlock guild stores? Cause you can't do weeklies of a skill until level 10 and that plus leveling after lvl10 are the only way to get guild coins

[mint sandal]

Same button as the one you use to fill up watering can. At least that's what it is on switch

Oooh, right! Been so long that I forgot we can buy recipes for essential stuff from that store, in my head it was just guild coin stuff

[floral talon]

Ikr nothing left to get from regular stores

[neat vortex]

Maybe with Elderwood!

[floral talon]

but when is the wood of the elders coming for us

[neat vortex]

idk sometime in Q2

[floral talon]

i cant wait XD i wonder if we get a new type of wood/ores or new skills

[past hare]

after the first harvest of apples do they regrow?

[stable ginkgo]

I hope we get new everything

[neat vortex]

Yes, they are multi-harvest; four harvests total per seed

[past hare]

How many days after do they regrow

[neat vortex]

First harvest at 12 growth ticks, then the last 3 are every 6 (18, 24, 30)

[whole atlas]

Made this plot yesteday for my GF, she wanted at least one of everything, while still not having to water it. Is there anything that can be improved on? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCoBkBBOBB-TCrTPTPRCbC-CoPTSpSpBkSpSpO-TPCCrTCbTPW-AAAAAAAAA-WPTCbTCrCPT-OSpSpCSpSpTPCo-CCbRPTPTCrT-BBOBBCCoPT

[neat vortex]

Nice work getting all 3 buffs on the apple tree! There are a couple of other 4-bush layouts in the channel (I can think of one by Astrea Moreno and one by StrykerBE) which also are 100% weedblock, if your GF would be interested in that. Otherwise, it would depend on whether she is aiming for profit, cooking ingredients, or what.

In my experience, "one of everything" layouts tend to be kind of hard to keep up with as you end up having to continually micromanage your seed stocks, but some folks like them if they aren't necessarily planning to replant immediately when crops are ready, but keep grown crops in reserve/harvest them as needed. (This obviously isn't great for leveling or for a revenue stream, but can be flexible for other purposes.)

I also feel like you could probably shuffle some of the crops on the "wings" to have less redundant water retain and more weedblock? but that's only an impression, too tired right now to experiment

[whole atlas]

Her prio goal is to do the accomplishments, and for cooking 😂 Her only requirement was to have 2 of each 4 slot grop and one apple and then 1 of everything else. I asked her if weed block was necessary, and she said no. So i basically went full WR and as much HB as i could. But ill look into the wings, to optimize it 😄 Thanks for the feedback buddy!

[neat vortex]

Yeah, if she's working on Weed Whacker, won't need that

[verbal bridge]

Someone had made me a crop map long ago with the "new" (at the time) crops from the summer event with crock pot and it had every item in the garden maximized so I could get every crop type for cooking and selling. It wasn't max profits but it was good for my needs and I've lost it 😭

[floral talon]

So u just want an everything garden for self use?

[verbal bridge]

That was what I had, yes.

Ive looked on my old phone and this phone, my iCloud, my Google drive, my bookmarks on PC and my 2 phones, I used to reference it all the time but I took a break from the game and I can't find it anywhere

It's not in Safari, Firefox or Google Chrome or anywhere

[floral talon]

This one is lacking cotton though

[verbal bridge]

Thank you

[floral talon]

Ifvu need one slightly different feel free to ask here slthough this is the only one i got for almost everything

[restive yoke]

I would like some feedback on this layout I made before I implement it incase yall have any suggestions, not sure if I'm missing something.
**My goals were: **
2 pepper, 2 blueberry, 1 apple
100% Water retain & 0 Fertilizer & decent weed and harvest (this was the highest I could get, could these go higher?)
Little bit of everything, but only 1 carrot and cabbage, more rice than wheat, more tomatoes (then potatoes, then bok choy).
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OTPBkBBPBB-OTRBkPBkRTO-CrTPSpSpTSpSpCr-TPROBkORPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPROBkORPT-CrBBTBBPTCr-OTWBkPBkWTO-SpSpPSpSpOTCbC

[floral talon]

u could add fert if that is a part of hte layout

[restive yoke]

One of my goals is 0 fert

[floral talon]

ok so its a water retain wiht alot of harvest boost layout and not intended to be afk or max yield

[outer condor]

best garden layout for most profit but with apples and blueberries, also 100% water so i never have to water?

[crisp grove]

@floral talon blueberry plot with potato, cabbage, and wheat very big success even after only few days. Thank you!

[floral talon]

Nice u can always swap samebufftype plants out with each other u can make the cabbage tomatoe or the wheat rice/corn if u want

[neat vortex]

Profit from solo processing only, or including ingredients for for-profit cooking parties?

Also, how many apple trees and bushes are you after?

[outer condor]

prefferably 2-3 apple and blueberrys , + cooking parties and making preserves

[verbal bridge]

I found the one!

[small laurel]

anyone have a good layout to grow the max amount of cotton, i dont mind watering/weeding and not using fertilizer. this is what i came up with

[neat vortex]

You can probably adapt Aqajj's max bok choy layout to this purpose (just sub cotton for bok choy)

Are you growing cotton for fabric?

[stable ginkgo]

Almost there Sam! Here is my best layout for growing a single crop. Will grow 5 more per cycle than what you have currently. Just swap the bok choy for cotton.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkBkBk-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkRBkBkBkBkR-RBkRBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkBkBkRRBkBk-RBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-BkBkBkRBkRBkBkBk-BkBkRBkBkBkBkRBk

[neat vortex]

Thanks for the link :D

[floral talon]

I gave u a medal for it

[floral talon]

Thats great ifvu want ez planting and dont care about the buffs

[floral talon]

I forwarded it to my layout library

[stable ginkgo]

Ok I’m here for a correction. I ran the numbers and @small laurel is actually better than mine. Theirs is 184 crops per harvest and mine is 182. Great job Sam and take my star away Duhscape hahaha! Give it to Sam instead.

[neat vortex]

Bonus points to Sam for an easy-to-remember planting pattern, too

[floral talon]

I shall analyze in a few hours

[small laurel]

neat

[glass pollen]

Hi guys!

I made my own layout, maybe someone else finds it useful too

[floral talon]

Not to bad morty

[glass pollen]

i found flaws and improved slightly

[small laurel]

there may still be room for improvement, obviously there are 8 spots that dont have harvest boost, fertilizer could be used i guess but i was just trying not to have too much overlap when i made it

[verbal bridge]

Well what buffs would I get? What am I missing out on?

I use all star quality seeds

I do manually water all of my plants every day but it doesn't take much time and it helps me feel involved haha

I mostly eat muujin bread i guess?

Iirc it has a buff for mining or something and I make most of my money selling the purple centipedes and gemstones from mining

[floral talon]

u dont 100% any of em XD

[verbal bridge]

What does 100%ing the buffs do? Just guarantee it instead of a chance?

Ngl I don't really know what I'm doing I'm just trying to make sure I have enough ingredients when I need to cook high quality food

[floral talon]

99% water retain means u still have to water the remaining 1% its how much % of ur platns got abuff

[verbal bridge]

Oic interesting. Is it wrong to water?

[floral talon]

nope but well if u dont 100% weedblock u still have to comeback once every growthtick
but watering takes alot of time so u at least want it close ot it unels u really like watering
not 100% harvest boost menas some plants will yield less which if u just want xp doesnt matter but if ur farming for coins or the item does make it far less efficient
weedblock is only useufll if u get it 100% or close to it and dont care that some plants dont always grow but u atleast want to make sure less then 9 tiles can get weeds on em or u have to check every growthtick

i try to 100% at least 2 buffs always (besides for max cotton as i just run it once and want alot of cotton fast)
harvy water low effort coin farm
water weecdblock afk so 0 maintenance is less stress but those plants dont sync up at all usually
water harvy and weedblock is lots of reseeding though ...

[verbal bridge]

What coins can you farm for? What do they do? Like Zeki coins?

[floral talon]

oh just gold XD

though u can get stickers from farming but it hink thats just an axxp drop thing

[verbal bridge]

Oic. Hmm maybe I should focus on gold making instead of having diverse ingredients? I'm not sure.

[floral talon]

depends on how u play and what u wanna cook and stuff

[verbal bridge]

Well I mostly just do a little bit of everything. I have roughly even skills except in mining and I mostly cook the Muujin big bread

Although I heard blueberry pies sell for a lot? And also maybe Apple pies?

[floral talon]

i eat cakes from cakepartys
farm an afk harvest buff apple setup out of low effort
and stockpiled most ingredients as i barely ever need em

[floral talon]

poeple make those ?_?

[verbal bridge]

I dont know. I thought they did. What else are apples and blueberries for?

[floral talon]

well i make cakes for focus with cakepartys as sweetleafer
for money gardening and epic fish dishes partys overprepping

[verbal bridge]

Ive never done a cake party myself I'm not even sure I can make cake yet

[floral talon]

but u can do what you want to XD

[floral talon]

dont need recipe to attent party

[verbal bridge]

How do I find one?

[floral talon]

ask in cooking

[verbal bridge]

Maybe I should do what you do and make a cash crop garden for selling and do a cake party and eat cake

[floral talon]

depends on what food u want to eat and why you farm XD its the most cost effective to do things my way but thats not for everyone

[verbal bridge]

I don't know at this point. I know certain foods gives buffs to learning skills I think. But a lot has been added to the game since I last played

I'm out of the loop 😛

[floral talon]

uhm if u wanna be specific about foods we can chat in cooking if ur asking about food in relation to what crops u should farm it can stay here XD

[neat vortex]

please do not confuse effort-efficient for cost-efficient

[floral talon]

sweetleaf is super cheap XD

[neat vortex]

I really need to make that focus food spreadsheet

[floral talon]

-bullys ren into making it by confusing words-

[neat vortex]

lol

[floral talon]

now ren is here anyways
crabs are now bulkable since poeple do lure partys for snails on beaches

[sick summit]

Hello, started the game a week ago. Trying to find out how to grow all crops in my farm. Anyone have suggestions?

[whole atlas]

Do u want a afk farm or a farm for profit?

[whole atlas]

I have this one i made for my gf, it can be uptimized a lot. You can also change the different crops for the same buff crops 🙂
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPCoBkB.HB.HOB.HB.H-TCr.HTPTP.HRCbC-Co.HP.HT.HSp.HSp.HBk.HSp.HSp.HO.H-TPCCr.HTCbTPW-AAAAAAAAA-WPTCbTCr.HCPT-O.HSp.HSp.HC.HSp.HSp.HT.HP.HCo.H-CCbRP.HTPTCr.HT-B.HB.HOB.HB.HCCoPT.H

[whole atlas]

Just optimized it a bit. More weed prevention, and less useage of HB fertilizer

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPCoBkB.HB.HOB.HB.H-TR.HTPOPCbBkR-Co.HP.HT.HSpSpBk.HSpSpO.H-TPWCrOBkWPT-AAAAAAAAA-WPTBkOCrTPW-OCbOCRCrT.HPCo-RBkCbPOPTR.HT-PCOCrWPCoOT.H

[clear kindle]

i don't recommend for new players to get 100% (or any percent) weed prevention as there is an achievement for renown after picking 1000 weeds. early on, easy renown is important to get the focus bars and the building plots open, and since new players don't have access to the larger bag space and have to return home more often to unload, it wouldn't be a problem for them to check on the garden to pull weeds. once the achievement is gotten then you can move over to a 100% weed prevention layout if want to

[slate kelp]

Hi, layout multi updated ! (11 ferts) Now the apple tree from south are on top south for better watering process at center.

Recall of the layout without pepper and 1 coton (15 ferts)

[floral talon]

this layout has duhscapes approval

[floral talon]

deja vu but still a good one

[glass pollen]

Very similar but mine has the trees in their own 3x3s

No fertilizers added

[floral talon]

I wonder how many fertilisers it takes to make everything 100% on that layout

[burnt sparrow]

@floral talon you can remove quality from lvl 25 you only harvest starry

[floral talon]

Yes i ignore that buff in my question sorry for not being specific enuff

[burnt sparrow]

Don't worry Afterwards, to have a 100% chance of obtaining the desired effect on a legume, you must add a number of fertilizers in relation to the number of growth cycles of the legume. example potatoes use 5 cycles you have to add 5 fertilizers to have a 5 chance out of 5 of obtaining the effect

[floral talon]

dont worry bro ik how harvest boost works

[burnt sparrow]

Did you ask me a question or are you looking to find out how it works?

[floral talon]

no i asked how many fertiliser i would have to fill in to get 100% water weedblock and harvestboost on mortys layout XD

[burnt sparrow]

@floral talon I added the fertilizers after which it must be added depending on the number of growths and cycles

if you want to add the boost which accelerates the growing time you will need a lot

[floral talon]

ic so that layout takes 15 fert to maxout per growhttick

[floral talon]

speedygrow is only for xpgrinders

also sino u must be pretty new to this channel if u think idk how fertiliser works XD

^is the guy usually explaining it to others and making layouts 🙂

@burnt sparrow WELCOME TO THE GARDENING CHANNEL!!!
always happy to see new faces who take an interest in our fav skill here

[burnt sparrow]

@floral talon It was the developers who explained it to me directly otherwise thank you for the welcome

[floral talon]

yup once every growthtick fert needs to be there harvestboost has a chance of working at harvest depending on how many of hte needed growhtticks it was on there
man i didnt know devs explain mechanics to me they said to stop the timetravel bug from knapweed u have to weed your weeds ...

man sure would be nice if we could have strategic weedplacement layouts

[burnt sparrow]

@floral talon with the translation it's not very clear and I know that fertilizers and the effect of vegetables do not combine, you're telling me nothing ^^

the translation remains strange when I translate the others I understand correctly it's too strange

[floral talon]

Oh your using a translator that explains alot

[burnt sparrow]

@floral talon no, I'm just translating, but forget it, you've gone really far with your explanations but don't worry I have enough information to understand agriculture thank you anyway

and isclibur made an excellent layout

[whole atlas]

Awh man 😦 i didnt get a welcome like that

[floral talon]

Wecome beany happy to have you with us

[whole atlas]

Lmao thanks 😂

[sick summit]

@whole atlas @clear kindle Thank you guys! I appreciate your kindness 🙂 I'll move on to 100 weed prevention after the achievement!

[whole atlas]

Good idea! Hope everything works out!

[floral talon]

i missed out on the entire convo but sylvablade is someone worht listening to for sure

[clear kindle]

aww, thank you

[indigo storm]

Thank you so much

[long mauve]

Does adding different fertilizers over the days of growth stack those attributes till harvest?

[clear kindle]

nope, not fertilizers, just crops give multiple each other the multiple buffs

[long mauve]

Makes sense, I figured out the planting bonus early on thankfully but fertilizers on different plants confuses me sometimes so I been just using 1 type and letting the game do the rest

[neat vortex]

That's a great question - like if you have two days of quality up and 3 days of harvest boost on a 5 day plant?

My instinct is to say that then you'd have a 60 percent chance of the harvest boost bonus proccing, and... maybe a partial effect of the QU?

But I actually don't know, and now I want to

[floral talon]

harvest boost will be partial chance of proccing but how does quality up work with that XD

[twilit frost]

I didn't think you could put different types of fert on one? If I have weed fert and try to put water on it, it just replaces the weed...

[neat vortex]

Right, so say you plant a potato and put 5 harvest boost fertilizer on it

tick 1: consumes 1 HB
tick 2: consumes 1 HB
tick 3: consumes 1 HB
Then you replace it with quality up fertilizer - the remaining 2 HB come back up, 2 QU fertilizer go on
tick 4: consumes 1 QU
tick 5: consumes 1 QU and plant becomes harvestable

I assume the plant has a 60 percent chance of the HB bonus yield, but I have no idea on the QU effect.

I used to know of a wiki page with theorycrafting about fertilizer stats, but I haven't been able to find it again

And actually a new character I've been working with has been still getting a few unstarred crops even with starred seed plus QU fert at very low (sub-10) gardening levels, so I need to update my understanding perhaps

[twilit frost]

Ah, you mean putting one fert on at a time, I was referring to stacking, I tend to just load mine up to max if I'm using fert it seems more tedious than it would be worth it to do it each tick or every few ticks, that would be a lot to keep track of.

[floral talon]

I just know the duration a crop takes to grow and put that manynon 1 less for waterretain and weedblock

[neat vortex]

Right, not saying it would be a GOOD idea or something you'd do on purpose, but I want to know more about how it would affect the plant

I assume it would be similar to suddenly planting cotton in place of wheat as that crop's neighbor partway through, but what are the details?

[finite sparrow]

Here’s my garden layout. Barely have to water anything. Bonus is you get to harvest all crop types.

[mint sandal]

That's my layout I shared here forever ago

#🌱│gardening message

[whole atlas]

Lmao, it is not even remade, it is legit the same pic, and his is lower quality 😂 Thats so sad...

[crisp grove]

If you make the same layout in the planner as someone else won't the planner generate the same image for everyone?

[floral talon]

me and ren ended up creating a few super similar layouts in the past XD

[whole atlas]

Well, yes and no. if u look at the pics, u can see the same lvl are there and same harvest day. they are also both vertical.

[whole atlas]

Im not saying you cant make something similar, or the same as, but if youre like me (and prob also like alot of others in here) you put your lvl and all that into the layout maker, to see how much you could be earning. Theres just too many "what if" for that pic not to be copied and pasted.

[sick summit]

Hi guys, I made a Low-weed protection (because I haven't finished weed picking achievement ^^ ), 100 Water Retain, 0 fertilizer, All Crop Garden layout (slightly modified from @floral talon Thank you!). Anyone who haven't finished the achievement might need this 🙂

Feel free to develop this layout!

• More HB, Quality maybe? I prefer not to use fertilizers 🙂
• Lower Weed Protection will be better haha.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CCbTCbSpSpTSpSp-CoBkPAAAAAA-TCoOBBPBBT-PCoCoCrWTCoCoP-AAAPRPAAA-PCoCoTWCrCoCoP-TBBPBBOCoT-AAAAAAPBkCo-SpSpTSpSpCbTCbC

[whole atlas]

Looks really good! I would tho try to get 100% HB since weed is down, and u cant get 3x100 without fertilizer 😄 I'll try to modify it a bit and send it 😄

[whole atlas]

Hey, so i made som changes. Ive used rice, but u can use wheat or corn, which ever u like more 😂

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrRTCbSpSpTSpSp-PBkPAAAAAA-TROBBPBBT-RCoCoCrPTCoCoR-AAAPRPAAA-PCoCoTWCrCoCoP-TBBPBBORT-AAAAAAPCoR-SpSpTSpSpRTCbCr

[sick summit]

Niiice 🙂

[floral talon]

Yeay swapping weedblocks with cottons always works gj

[sick summit]

So this one will be final All crop, 100 Water, 100 HB, 11 Weed layout 🙂 (Maybe Quality fertilizer for blueberries?)

Thank you @whole atlas @floral talon !

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrRTCbSpSpTSpSp-PBkPAAAAAA-TROBBPBBT-WCoCoCrPTCoCoW-AAAPRPAAA-WCoCoTPCrCoCoW-TBBPBBCRT-AAAAAAPCoP-SpSpTSpSpCbTRCr

[mint sandal]

Referring to the screenshot, not the link

[mint sandal]

I understand creating similar layouts, but it's different from presenting someone's layout with a screenshot of the original screenshot and not saying it isn't yours

[floral talon]

true but we cant be sure if thats the case though 😦

[neat vortex]

I thought it looked familiar... I blame early-morning brain

[mint sandal]

Oh, I'm 99% sure. I shared that layout here multiple time, and I took that screenshot on mobile and cropped it to my liking. I could understand the layout, but identical stats and image (that they obviously screenshotted)? Ain't no way

[floral talon]

man sucks
wel my response was to post an even better layout XD

[mint sandal]

I do have a better one (for my needs) lol Shared it here before too and been using it for a while

[floral talon]

a little high on harvy boost fert but not to bad not to bad

[mint sandal]

Yeah, I don't boost all the time, only when I produce glow worms and end up with a ton of fert

[floral talon]

i like how its only one spicypepper and blueberry as im pretty sure u dont need 2

[mint sandal]

Yup

I don't really do anything with my blueberries except turning them into jam, same with apples. And the peppers I use for chili oil dumplings that I use for focus and preserve the rest as well. So switching from 2 of all those to just 1 made more sense

[floral talon]

yeay i dont think many poeple need blueberrys
spicypeppers u have to do partys for food wiht em to need more then one bush XD
i do have another layout i think for everything besides cotton
weavingbullseye idk where it is though

but i could also use mey 2 of each larger one and change the topside

[whole atlas]

Its 110% your pic they just repostet as their own. Both are lvl 34, and have last harvest day at 360 (which you have to set yourself)

[neat vortex]

You know, this actually makes me wonder - since the pic shared is a screenshot of the image on a phone screen, lol - whether this means that your layout has been making the rounds as an unattributed image. I wonder how many circles it's spread to outside of this one, to the point that someone liked it enough to make a point to re-share it here?

In other news, I've been using my own spin on your (@mint sandal's) Cross Layout recently, and it's been treating me well :)

(but oh boy do I have RICE 😂 )

[mint sandal]

Tbf, a lot of layouts shared here might be circulating without creaters being credited. Not much we can do about that. It's just funny to me rhat after days of not really being active in the server I made my rounds theough the skill channels and saw my layout being shared without credits lol

100% could've never seen it happen and no one would've realized

[neat vortex]

tbh I try to always create diagrams with credits to the creator (and also the URL of the garden planner crediting .aisen)

but I don't always have energy for all that given that I have... MS Paint 3D to work with 😂

[mint sandal]

Understandable haha

[neat vortex]

I'm glad you caught it, because I sure didn't

[mint sandal]

Can't blame you, hadn't shared that one in a while and usually when I do I just link one of my previous comments so no pic visible

Dang I can't type tonight

[spark valve]

still new here - how does one get apples? I want to start using honey lures, but I don't have any apples

[crisp grove]

You get them after a few quests with Badruu i believe

[spark valve]

to be able to plant a tree, or just receive a few apples from him?

[crisp grove]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Apple_Tree_Seed

Here, this is a bit better explanation of you how can get the initial seed to start growing them! It's been so long for me I'm a bit fuzzy on my memory

[floral talon]

theres some ways they added an upcate that leveling can get ur first apple seeds
if ur past that level before that was updated oof if not just garden

[spark valve]

oh perfect, thank you!!

reading on that link, it sounds like I can stack fertilizer on the garden plots, too?

[crisp grove]

Yes you can! Different types of fertilizer provide different types of benefits.

[floral talon]

i can put 1-99 on a plant at a time

[spark valve]

oh the time I've wasted lol. this game feels endless 😆 I've been using the harvest boost, but I think I'm ready to throw some other items into my worm farm and try out some new fertilizer

[crisp grove]

Harvest boost is good to increase quantity, so it's not a waste!

[floral talon]

sweet stuff is quality up fert
the rest harvest boost
water retain/weedblock zekis shop

[low remnant]

The garden plots do they have to be close together to boost nearby crops? or can I leave a gap in between the plots?

[spark valve]

y'all are so helpful, I love it here

[crisp grove]

Quality up will increase your chance for star produce, speedy growth helps quicken the cycle, the water retain and weed block obviously help decrease watering and weeding needs lol

So if you're not getting all starred crops yet, the quality up could be helpful to you

[floral talon]

u usually get all buffs from nearvy plants anyways

[spark valve]

I definitely need to get more starred crops - I need the renown bad lol.

[floral talon]

oh for ahcivements
al;so lower levels want quality up as star chance also goes up per level and u need tons of cotton for self use anyways

[spark valve]

cotton is another tough lesson I'm learning lol. I'm actually buying cotton seeds right now so I can plant them next

[floral talon]

and with cottons u really dont care if they are starred

[spark valve]

sounds like a good time to use my harvest boost fertlizer while I wait on quality up fertlizer to be made

[floral talon]

or u can ask for a layout here that reduces your fertiliser consumption

[spark valve]

didn't think of that either! sadly I have to quit for a bit, but I appreciate all the information!

[floral talon]

if u struggle wiht making a layout ask what u want here and u get it
but be carefull what oyu wish for

[neat vortex]

The tiles must be touching (snapped together) for crops in two separate plots to buff each other

[low remnant]

Thank you :3

[frigid venture]

omg you need ten apples for apple seeds? UGH