🌱│gardening

[neat vortex]

XD

I usually fill wildcard spots with cotton

Sticks out visually and doesn't obscure the usual buff trio

The top one, the spaces under the center apple are just "there isn't a soil plot here"

(obviously)

[drifting violet]

oh, yeah, I could figure that, I was just lamenting the (seemingly random) empty spot between the two carrots and at the top left 🤭

[neat vortex]

Yeah, not real sure on that one

[neat vortex]

Ohh, indeed, the poster explained it right in the post:

Any field that is left empty is irrelevant to the overall layout, so you can plant whatever you want there.

ngl that tree-in-the-middle one is damn clever; this person is thinking outside the box.

now I wonder what they'd do if handed the bullseye/round-robin layouts

(the ones that use the water-water-weed-weed pattern)

I would also like to teach them how to make "illegal" layouts in the garden planner so they can plot out their offset ones :3

[wanton root]

how does the plant properties work? i’ve been getting really confused trying to make layouts and it seems like some plants cancel out the others properties

[floral talon]

• shaped directly ADJACENT(not diagonally) is how they give buffs not themselves they cannot buff the exact same plant either so rice cant harvestboost buf rice but can do corn which is also harvest boost so placing those together both have that boost

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/ use htis its easier

[wanton root]

that is what i use

i just didn’t understand how they were interacting

[floral talon]

did i asnwer it?

[floral talon]

ren i bullied ellie away from this channel

[hasty stratus]

Why are all my garden items turn to elite/star items? I want non star veg/fruit. no use of fertilizer because regardless of which fertilizer I use it all comes up to be star. Tad frustrating.

[manic meteor]

The farther you level in gardening starting around level 25 the more you start to produce only starred crops/seeds, and by level 50 that's pretty much all you will get other than I do still get an occasional unstarred seed once in a while.

[floral talon]

star seeds quality up increase its chance of being starred so does ur lv gradually
lv25 all star seeds is star produce only
lv38 same
we can tell u how to deal with not needing unstarred veggies if u need us to(though thats technically cooking channel thing but meh we can tell u here to)

you really do not need unstarred veggies trust me

[hasty stratus]

Thank you!! I had no idea I would produce only star items after a certain level. I right I was just going batty lol

[floral talon]

infact not owning unstarred as recipe starter means u can only do it with starred so u gotto click the ALLOW starred box

you can however with ALLOW star box checked still use unstarred once u run out of starred

if u staart some recipe but wanna safe ur starred rare foragables u caN lockbox em but generally more starred used better meal

foe example u click allow starred it will try to use starred first but its a any spice step and u only got starred super rare daricloves u wanna use for some special occasion u can lockbox that one so u can select ur unstarred worthless spicesprouts

if u need a lenghtier explanation ask ren i kinda do one sentence explanations

[ashen garden]

[neat vortex]

No plants cancel out anything else, but plants only buff neighbors (not themselves), and only if their neighbors are not the same plant type.

So, for example, a tomato (water retain) planted adjacent to a bok choy (weed prevention) will keep the bok choy watered, because that is the buff tomato gives its neighbors.

The tomato will get no weeds because of the bok choy, but will still have to be watered.

Tomato (water retain) next to potato (water retain) are same-buff companions ("buddies") and will keep each other watered.

Tomato next to only tomato does nothing, because they are the same plant type ("twins") and cannot buff each other.

If you would like a much clearer explanation companion planting, with diagrams, check out Arenvanya's guide to gardening, linked at the top of the garden planner site and in pins in this channel

(Sorry if that was a repeat/you already had that down!)

[ashen garden]

well personally spicy peppers cancel out my will to live because making a layout for them gives me a headache

[fading aspen]

just wait till they come up with a 4x4 plant

[floral talon]

that would be awesome actually

great now i got al ayout for 4x4 plants already ... if they ever make that but wth would be larger then a apple tree

[ashen garden]

listen here

dont give them ideas, we cant have 4x4 until we get more soil

[floral talon]

4x4 would be fine but will never happen to ez to work with

[ashen garden]

if they add that then i want to be able to move bound soil plots, move em as a single object dammit s6 why is that complicated

[zinc nymph]

is there any easier way to get apples or bluebrries besides grinding gardener?

[ashen garden]

nope, but lvl 10 isnt that hard tbvh

[zinc nymph]

its taking so long thats why i was wondering

[ashen garden]

plant this over and over you'll be fine https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP

[zinc nymph]

what is that?

[ashen garden]

click the link it'll show you a full afk layout (no watering no weeding)

[drifting violet]

There's a very RNG dependent chance that you can get them from Zeki's Lucky Boxes, and you can get some seeds for a friendship level IIRC, but other than those... nope, just Gardening levels!

[floral talon]

no leveling is the easiest and sirfirelords layout is only for xp not for produce minmaxing or most coins or something as it lacks harvest boost for more produce and no quality up for lower levels

[ashen garden]

well the task was "get to level 10 asap", after that i would propose other layouts lol

i'm usually of the opinion that harvest/water is the way to go for boosts anyway, and i have no truck with fertilising lol

[ashen garden]

@zinc nymph also at the risk of sounding obvious make sure you always have focus when gardening, it'll make it a lot faster to level

[zinc nymph]

okay thank you!

[haughty geyser]

Question cant you fill your water og Can in the Well?

[untold olive]

I was multi selecting my soils with alt key and two of them vanished in thin air, you guys might don't wanna multi select your soils rn, i sent a ticket.

[mint sandal]

You can fill it in the well, that's what I've been doing since I earned enough medals to buy the well

[neat vortex]

You can, but sometimes if you aren't close enough or not facing it just right, it will tell you you can't

[neat vortex]

This happened to someone else as well - make sure they didn't get stacked on top of each other

[untold olive]

That was it , didn't know stacking is a thing , phew . Thanks Ren.

[neat vortex]

Definitely a glitch! I'm sure that was quite a scare. Glad you could get it untangled :)

[haughty geyser]

Hmm I need to reatempt becouse I couldnt and then I Saw it had no water… any pictures of where to stand?

[haughty geyser]

Yea thats mostly why I Got it… so didnt understand why I couldnt…

[ionic hollow]

Any tips on max profit crops?

[ashen garden]

someone posted the chart earlier but i think theres one in the planner website

[ionic hollow]

Oh I see it thank you just had to scroll up sorry new to the gardening channel and wanted to start lving up my gardening skill

[ashen garden]

if you wanna purely level up (to get to level 10 for apples etc) then the best one is here: #🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

Now i do wonder does getting starred produce give more xp then unstarred ?_?

[clear kindle]

it just shows on the wiki that the experience is what it is based on the crop, so apples will give 240 exp starred or not. but they could change that with this update

[pearl ledge]

hey y'all. what's the optimal gardening positioning for having at least one of everything?

[ashen garden]

oh no

[floral talon]

U sure u want literly everything?

[pearl ledge]

not the right approach? i am open to suggestions. i do wanna prioritize gold (got the preservations jars)

[clear kindle]

everything layouts are time consuming to replant, and usually require a lot of fertilizer to make where you don't have to weed or water. at least, that's my impression when i look at offered layouts. they're also not as productive money or time wise in regards to crafters since you have a limited number you can have on your plots since a lot of the crops have long times to process. would probably be better to decide what you want your garden to do for you (outside of just raw gold). do you want a fully afk where you don't have to monitor the garden every hour or do you not mind leaving another map and activity to tend to it? are you interested in doing cooking parties? if so, which party are you interested in and what role do you think you would like to fill? ultimately, any layout is a "good" layout as long as you can keep up with it crafter and time wise and it does what you need it to do for you.

for example: i preferred to be out gathering materials or hunting for creatures, bugs or fishing so i wasn't on my plot very often, so, i decided to be an apple farmer (4 apple trees, fully water/weed/harvest to where i could set it and forget it for 12 hours until the apples were ready for the first harvest) i never harvest any of the crops (unless accidentally) so the time that i need to tend to the garden is extremely minimal

[ashen garden]

just have 2-3 layouts that you cycle through whenever your stocks of onions or whatever are getting low

[neat vortex]

I suspect the Experience page in general will need a lot of updating to align with the data we are (more easily) able to collect this patch :)

but collecting clean data (i.e., no focus bonus, with other variables recorded) might be tough

[neat vortex]

This is a great point; higher levels of crop diversity in a single layout means more replanting seeds to keep track of and more fiddly work trying to get any excess processed to sell. In my opinion, it's better if you can instead rotate same-buff single-tile crops to restock whenever you need more of something. However, that does require more preplanning/tracking inventory, and folks may not necessarily want to do that routinely. It basically depends on where you want the effort to lie.

[astral rampart]

Someone else posted this and I’ve been using it. Replanting isn’t a big hassle with different lengths of growth time. Only have to water when planting new crops and no weeds.

[neat vortex]

I will say that it is not true the "everything layouts" necessarily require water retain or weedblock fertilizer! We've had any number of different everything layouts posted recently that didn't need either for 100% weed/water! (That said, they are not always as good at getting solid harvest boost numbers without fertilizer; depends how many peppers and cotton spaces someone needs)

[neat vortex]

Case in excellent point :)
(And there are even versions that don't require that your bushes straddle two soil plots, if that bothers you)

[neat vortex]

it's clever that this one managed to jam the cotton into the corners, because that way you lose less harvest boost potential since that space only buffs two crops

[ashen garden]

i maintain that nobody actually ever needs cotton, fabric can be bought fairly cheaply

[stable ginkgo]

Did something with experience change that I’m not seeing/hearing in the notes. Or is this just double checking numbers?

[neat vortex]

Just double-checking numbers because now there is floating text when you earn XP

[clear kindle]

depends on how much crafting you do, 1 piece of fabric from tish is 190g. i just plant nothing but cotton for a few growth tics when my apple trees are gone and then restart my garden

[ashen garden]

i mean yes but surely you can make enough to buy the fabric, no? or are people really doing a ton of crafting

[neat vortex]

IF cotton is displacing rice which you would otherwise be deploying at a sashimi party... ...then just stick to growing rice and buy your fabric. lol

But everyone's opportunity cost will be different

[carmine mantle]

Here's my everything lay out!
It does require maintenance, but the Knapweed is a good gift for Caleri
I swap the Corn/Wheat/Rice as needed for cooking

[clever folio]

im trying to rack up more coins and experience (lvl 3 rn) any tips or layouts that would help?

[neat vortex]

Oh dang that's a lot of fertilizer! Does it really need that much? the blueberries should buff the apples and you've got a corn touching the trees, too, so that should cover all three of those, at minimum. Try removing all the fert from the layout and then seeing which crops are actually missing the harvest boost buff :D

[carmine mantle]

I feed the worms a lot (I now have to find a new food now that the cooking has supposedly been fixed)
But just the one harvest from the two trees has given me 30+ regular and 15+ star quatlity apples

[neat vortex]

I bet that looks really cool in the garden with how you've got the bushes sort of diagonally coming out from the trees :D

[neat vortex]

Fertilizer is not consumed if the plant is getting the same buff from a neighbor, though — the fertilizer and companion planting buffs of each type are identical and don't stack

[carmine mantle]

Well that answers why some plants have fertilizer still on them lol

[neat vortex]

Yep! So all the extra fertilizer is just money \o/ or futureproofing

[carmine mantle]

Future proofing lol
I sometimes dont remember to replant after a harvest cuz i get distracted by something

[neat vortex]

ngl, BIG SAME, and this is why I harvest and replant at the same time as much as possible. ONLY the seeds for that one crop in my action bar. Select seeds > Harvest > click to replant. Keeps me from misclicking on the wrong tile, and the plant preview looking identical to the plant I just harvested acts as a double-check so I don't do something too silly (unless I'm deliberately swapping out a crop, like you do with the grains).

The only time it doesn't work as well is when I end up having to till the soil under the plant again, in which case I try to harvest all plants of that crop, quickly zip the other way to till all the empty spaces, and then replant them in a hurry, all in one "task." ...buuut it still catches me sometimes :(

Fortunately, just having the unwatered seed in the ground will still buff its neighbors.

[neat vortex]

re: XP, here's this: #🌱│gardening message

[haughty geyser]

Still cant full watering Can in Well any help on How welcome

[carmine mantle]

Going off a reddit post I found because I had a similar question (before they finally added the exp preview when you do a thing), for EXP the best layout per crop / growing time its cotton and potatoes for exp and carrot/onion for weed prevention. Make sure your focus is full when you harvest for that bonus

[neat vortex]

All crops are the same XP per tile per growth tick, divided by the number of harvests. So "the best layout for XP" is whatever you can harvest consistently.

So, yes, 100% water/weed helps a lot, because you lose fewer growth ticks to forgetting to tend.

But I personally like to shove some bok choy in there for profit reasons.

[neat vortex]

re: coins and getting started in general, uhhh here
#🌱│gardening message

Specific layout recommendations will depend on your current setup and your non-money/XP goals :)

Cotton is very helpful at level 3, though, it's true

(Also, I apologize if I am sounding a bit short or brusque today; RL stuff has me distracted today and without as much bandwidth for moderating my tone)

(It's not you, I promise!)

[carmine mantle]

The Tism makes me ignore tone unless there's the markers like /s or /j lol, all good
The post did say that it was basically negligible, because the difference was so little. But for coin to buy the seeds (because the seed maker is like lvl 6?? idk) its the fastest grown for most exp and least cost or something like that

[neat vortex]

Oh, that's a fair point. I keep meaning to do a comparison of gold-per-seed-cost, should get XP in there, too

[mint sandal]

I have an everything layout that's 100% watered/weed block and no fert if tou want to try it.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-OTOCCbCBkTBk-AAAAAAAAA-PTPBkCOBBR-CCoCBkCrBkTCbT-PTPOCBkWBB-BBSpPTSpOCBk-SpOSpSpCSpTCbT-SpBBSpTPBkCO

[neat vortex]

Hah! So apparently it's 517 growth ticks to level 5 gardening at 20% focus bonus (the bonus you start out with, no upgrades)

Fastest way to level gardening? upgrade your focus bonus ASAP

(for 1 tile, so divide that by your number of available tiles: second tip is buy all your soil plots ASAP)

[carmine mantle]

I'll def try it once everything has finished it's cycle, though I do want weeds for Caleri's weekly

[neat vortex]

Easiest way to ensure that is to find two weedblock pairs and swap them so they're twins, not buddies

But does she really want knapweed every week as her weekly want?

(Surely there is an easier thing she always accepts?)

[carmine mantle]

Her others are Silk, Pinecones (but not lvl 3 friendship yet), and Hypno Moray (not lvl 4)
but I need silk for Furniture

[neat vortex]

I usually just gave her a piece of fur every day

I wish I could re-test the "give the villager their weekly want for a friendship level you haven't reached yet" thing

[carmine mantle]

I could prolly try with a different villager, i'm still sitting around Lvl 2 or more (and I havent done the Investigator quests yet due to waiting for friends)

[mint sandal]

What's that? I know we can give them their weekly want and have it count before they tell us what they want, but what's that about weekly want by level? I thought weekly wants were just the same for all players regardles of npc relationship levels

[drifting violet]

Nah, some weekly wants are hidden behind Friendship Ranks (so if you’re not at or past a certain level, they usually don’t accept/talk about it)

[neat vortex]

They accept it, the question is whether they give the full points or not lol

(at least, last I knew)

[mint sandal]

Oh, really? I had no idea, I always just went with whatever I could give from what I found online and it appears and get ticked in the weekly wants list

[drifting violet]

Oh I didn't know they still accepted! (I never tried 🤣)

[ashen garden]

the wants are a scam, subira asks for makeshift arrows but will accept any kind

[neat vortex]

If an item is a weekly want, it generally gives a larger amount of friendship progress than a gift they accept all the time

[crimson blade]

Yeah, weekly wants and loved gifts vs liked gifts all contribute differently to your friendship level with the NPC.

[runic perch]

you'll know what works for the weekly want if it shows up in the relationship menu as checked off

[sonic flare]

heres another one

[ashen garden]

now this right here is cursed, nobody needs that much pepper

[runic perch]

pepper is one of the worst crops profit wise but I think its useful in one of the common focus food dishes

[ashen garden]

oh obviously, chili oil dumpling supremacy, but that layout is just excessive. nobody needs that much blueberry either, just put 1 bush each in a layout every so often and harvestboost

[runic perch]

true true

[neat vortex]

I wonder whether that might vary with playtime, though, since that gates the number of growth ticks you see in a week.

though peppers are VERY prolific...

[ashen garden]

yeah im still coasting off my last harvest round and ive made like 300 dumplings lol

[carmine mantle]

To just definitely confirm this, Yes she does. It apparently make a really good tea?

[neat vortex]

Every week, knapweed is one of her weekly wants?

I see that it's on her weekly wants this week, yes

[carmine mantle]

as far as i'm aware it is (been playing maybe two weeks-ish?)

[solid mirage]

I just started today and I honestly like it. What about you guys?

[balmy ivy]

Seeing this late, but I use a weekly wants tracker on paliapedia! It shows all loved, liked, and neutral items (and how many points you get from them) and if they’ll accept it that current week or not

[ashen garden]

palia farming is great wish they'd let us have more plots

[solid mirage]

What other games do you like to play?

[neat vortex]

This is a good one, just gotta beware of spoilers since sometimes some unreleased stuff shows up on lists.

(Paliapedia is based on the game data, and there is a lot of stuff in the game data that isn't in the game yet - and may never be)

[balmy ivy]

Yes yes, I pretend I do not see those bits lol

I go in for my list and then I dip 😂

[neat vortex]

XD

[neat vortex]

Oh, haha, so you've got two weeks of data... I can see how that would seem to form a pattern, but the weekly wants are not that consistent, I'm afraid!

[neat vortex]

I spend... a lot of time in this channel and a couple others, digging into the game systems. I like to say that I started playing Palia in January 2024 and it promply ate my head 😂

[floral talon]

I like this lolz

Best meme layout

[ashen garden]

wow you only started this year and you're already an expert that's mental

[sonic flare]

Im new and testing layouts for preserves but i get the joke

[sonic flare]

Here’s some context all but the potatoes have multiple harvests
I wanted all to have water retention without having to use fertilizer
and looking for the best preserve jar crop yield trying this one out
Last one was bok choy and tomato’s with rice

[floral talon]

i mean i wasnt insulting u but its just u dont reaslistically nede those produce XD but its still usefull as al ayout

[sonic flare]

None taken mate

Question how many hours do you all have in the game

[floral talon]

and a day in the garden planner

[sonic flare]

60 plus ish and I only have to get my fishing pole and bug belt to exquisite I started December 10th (playing)

[floral talon]

if u need moneys tips i gtg but we can give u that here

[sonic flare]

What are the best crop layout to make jars as the final output

On my plot I currently have 4 jar makers

[ashen garden]

lost all my playtime stats because i switched to steam launcher but i'm level 60 gardening if that proves anything

[sonic flare]

here

[ashen garden]

grind that gardening

and then do the weekly quests until you get enough to buy another apple seed, and then do a harvest/star/water layout to maximise your first harvest

[floral talon]

Many options xd

[ashen garden]

I'd say just do a lot of corn, intermixed with rice, potatoes and tomatoes so you get nice bonuses. you'll need a lot more jars though

[neat vortex]

I would not say expert, but I have definitely learned a lot from all the resources folks in the community have put together (and still learning new things all the time!)

And I have no idea how many hours of playtime I have; I'm sure it must be something ridiculous, but I'm on the Palia launcher, which doesn't track it.

[ashen garden]

yeah i was on the palia launcher for most of my game time but when i tried to reinstall after taking a break i couldnt install it properly it kept failing at 99% after hours and hours

[neat vortex]

Out of curiosity, what has you wanting to jar all of your stuff?

[neat vortex]

Also, lots of options for that, since the usual algorithm is "seed potatoes, bok choy, and anything you can't jar (rice, wheat, star cotton if you don't need it for other things); then jar everything else"

....sorry, got distracted and didn't finish my thought. What level gardening are you, and what is it you'd like your garden to do for you?

[ashen garden]

seeds can make more money sometimes, and ofc everything has seeds but only some stuff has preserves (cant believe they wont let us ferment rice into sake smh terrible game)

[sonic flare]

Im gardening level 9
I’m starting to learn to use fertilizer
I bought normal seeds then quality fertilizer to then make quality seeds
Now just need to make all of the crops quality seeds to harvest and then jars

What crops are worth selling as quality seed, quality crop, quality jar

[ashen garden]

well rice and wheat only get seeds so those for a start, i think potato depends on how much afk time you have, corn is better as jar, i forget the others. for blueberries and apples just keep them and make cakes its more money

[floral talon]

jar it if u can
unles its bokchoi or potato u might wanna seed
cotton self use fabric only
except when u stockpile it to use for cooking
selling raw if u dont have enough crafter time to proces it

[sonic flare]

neat. the cotton turns to fabric, blue berries and apples to baked goods, rice and wheat into food, bok choy and potatoes seeds, tomatoes, onion, carrot, corn, cabbage jar. peppers?

[floral talon]

well i mean u can farm stuff way and way faster then u can cook unles ur a diehard party chef so kjeep a stash of everything for cooking once u do that for wahtever reason (only does cakepartys for focus eating starred and unstarred and epic fishpartys for money)

[floral talon]

rice wheat bokchoi potato seeds
cotton fabric
other jar
unles ur using it for whatever reason but that wont be the bulk of it
no processing when u cannot proces it i guess and it piled up

[sonic flare]

thanks

[floral talon]

yw

yoshi keep in mind when getting answers here from poeple that the ones answering CAN BE* very biased towards their own way of doing things though so not everyone will be completly right XD

[sonic flare]

I'm here for everyone's opinion

[floral talon]

wel some opinions are wrong XD

[neat vortex]

Yeah, some opinions are wrong sometimes, cabbage stan 😜

But really, getting multiple perspectives (especially if you can dig into the why of a given piece of advice) is the best policy :)

[floral talon]

i mean tomatoes are awefull effort wise and sync up wiht toher stuff wise (but apparently quiet good production value wise)
cabbage is the opposite (though still quiet decent on money)

[neat vortex]

Yeah, tbh nothing you grow will be awful on money considering it's all mostly-passive income (compared to other activities like hunting, fishing, cooking, etc.)

[floral talon]

i mean not everyones opinions will be wrong but i seen poeple here answering straight up nonsense

[neat vortex]

Sometimes some misinfo persists, yes

[floral talon]

and then we stomp it out

[ashen garden]

peppers also become food (chili dumplings) its not worth to grow them explicitly for jar, because they'll consume more space than more profitable crops

[floral talon]

peppers buff to other plants becomes completely useless to

[sonic flare]

pepper or cotton buff is better in the end for profit

[neat vortex]

Sorry, I'm not sure if this is a question or a statement?

[sonic flare]

question

[floral talon]

in the beginning cotton and pepper give u more star chance but u also get that from ur lv so at some point u always get starred anywyas and it becomes useless

[ashen garden]

cotton honestly, you only ever need to plant peppers occasionally when you run low because they arent a profit crop, just harvest and keep them then use for cooking

[raven wyvern]

Is there any point to star cotton? it doesn't give more fabric or anything, right?

[neat vortex]

Nope, the only difference is that it's worth more money itself and as seeds

Fabric is fabric and costs 2 cotton no matter what

[floral talon]

well its more coin value if u bin it directly or as seeds but generally u shoudltn even want to grow it if not for its buff(on lower levels) and as fabric

damm u ren u beat me by 1 second

[neat vortex]

I need a gif like that one of the cat "typing" very fast on a keyboard but a chapaa

not that I necessarily would use a chapaa for a self-avatar

[raven wyvern]

Yeah, I'm low-ish on fabric, and I don’t have much moneys

[floral talon]

if it stops u from having to buy cotton or fabric growing cottons is by far the most valueble crop to grow its suddenly 4times more valueble
so yeay i even loom my starred cotton or otherwise i wont grow it at all

[ashen garden]

thats what happens when you somehow write more than ren for an answer lmao

[quaint fossil]

Okay so I using a 9x9 that had 100% water retention and weed protection but recently swapped up my layout and now I'm going back to the old layout with one exception: I dont want to get rid of the apple tree in the middle so I'm posting the modified layout with the tree in the center and want to see if there's anyone on here who can help me get that 100% water retention and weed protection by just moving around a few plants while ultimately trying to keep with the same crops though mixing in some crops that only require a single block is fine.

[ashen garden]

do you need all the cotton?

[quaint fossil]

no, the screenshot is what I got now but there's like 3-4 crops that are not getting water retention or weed block right near the top left and bottom right corners of the apple tree that I need fixed and I'm not good at using the planner to figure it out

[ashen garden]

well what im saying is that it'd be a lot easier without all the cotton because it isnt one of the boosts you specified

[quaint fossil]

oh I misread what you said, I thought you were asking if I wanted it to be ALL cotton haha, no loosing the cotton is ok

[ashen garden]

ah gimme a bit

[quaint fossil]

even if you had to throw in some like cabbage, corn or what not thats fine

[ashen garden]

i could just work a single apple weed/water layout for you tbh... from scratch

[quaint fossil]

ok, and that would be just a single apple tree in the center? Cause I just dont want to move or dig up the apple tree

[ashen garden]

yeah, on it

[quaint fossil]

Thank you!

[ashen garden]

here's what i have initially - you can swap the boosting plants individually amongst themselves (ie can swap bok choy and carrot etc just make sure theyre not next to themselves) - i'll keep working on this layout but for now it satisfies all the criteria, i'll try to boost the harvest though

it's much heavier on the weed blocking crops than i normally do (because i dont mind weeding every day tbh)

[quaint fossil]

Thank you so much, I greatly appreciate it and I'll play around with this in the planner and see what I come up with

[ashen garden]

here's the link https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PCPTOTCbBkCb-BkPBkCTORPC-PCPTOTCbBkCb-PCPTBkTCbOCb-AAAAAAAAA-CPCBkTBkOCbO-CPCBkTBkOCbO-PWCrTCTPOP-CPCBkTBkOCbO you can open this and then play from there without having to recreate everything from scratch

[mint sandal]

Kept the tree in the middle and all the crops you have (only had to add corn so the rice gets the harvest boost too). You can replace the 4 cotton with corn no problem (except bottom left corner, that one would have ro be rice)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTOOCoCrCRP-CPTRRCrTOC-OCTRCoPPRC-PCrCTROORT-AAAAAAAAA-TCrOORTCRP-CCrPPCoCrTOC-COTRRCrPTO-PCrCRCoOCPT

[quaint fossil]

oh this is perfect, thank you

[mint sandal]

You can also replace some of the rice plants with more cotton if you want

[mint sandal]

No problem

[ashen garden]

absolutely cooked me, i completely forgot about cornering lmao

yeah thats wildly better lmao if you replace the cotton with rice or corn you'll get even better

[mint sandal]

Yeah. I left in in since it was in the original layout but it's totally better replacing it with rice and corn for more harvest boosted crops

[ashen garden]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTOOWCrCRP-CPTRRCrTOC-OCTRWPPRC-PCrCTROORT-AAAAAAAAA-TCrOORTCRP-CCrPPWCrTOC-COTRRCrPTO-PCrCRWOCPT yeah this is a really good boost pattern though (i'd add wheat because its super useful for a lot of recipes)

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that's good too. I was just sticking to the crops they wanted

[ashen garden]

lvl 66 in gardening and im still this bad lmao

[sonic flare]

achieved gardening level 10

[ashen garden]

hell yeah now do the gardening quests and get enough medallions to buy a second apple seed

[mint sandal]

Oh, actually, this one's better, your apples get harvest boosted with this one. Again, you can replace the cotton with wheat or corn
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCrOCRCrRC-OCTTCoPPRO-CrOTRCPCRCr-TPOCCoROTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTORCoCOPT-CrRCPCRTOCr-ORPPCoTTCO-CRCrRCOCrPT

[ashen garden]

stellar work

[mint sandal]

Thanks!

[sonic flare]

i have a few by requesting some

[neat vortex]

Wow, this is so cool! There is a "track" of water-water-weed-weed pattern that winds around like this, plus the corner blocks

It's like.. a... like... crinkly bullseye?

[drifting violet]

the cross pattern makes me so happy

...now I'm wondering if there's a way to modify that into a cross-pattern Everything Garden—

[neat vortex]

I've been peering at that, too

but I think the bushes might give some trouble, as usual....

[neat vortex]

I thought about pinging you, actually, because I thought you might like this XD

[fading aspen]

that gives me some ideas 🤔

[neat vortex]

I tweaked it juuuust a tiny bit to make the patterns more consistent: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCrOCRCrRO-COTPWPTRC-CrOTRCPORCr-TPCOWRCPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCRWOCPT-CrROPCRTOCr-CRTPWPTOC-ORCrRCOCrPT

[fading aspen]

the band kind of works no matter the shape

[neat vortex]

Yep, and it can even branch!

water-water-weed-weed is a very powerful pattern XD

[crimson nest]

I like a simple cash garden, that I only water a bit and I don’t mind pulling weeds. All star quality, I just buy produce for cooking at badruu now. Multi harvest crops, take those and make seeds once a week, self sufficient.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HT.HT.HT.HB.HB.HT.HB.HB.H-T.HT.HT.HB.HB.HT.HB.HB.HT.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TTTTBBTBB-T.HT.HT.HB.HB.HT.HB.HB.HT.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HB.HB.HT.HB.HB.HT.HT.HT.H-B.HB.HT.HB.HB.HT.HT.HT.HT.H

[neat vortex]

it just has to complete the loop or it breaks

[neat vortex]

I have good news: most of your tomatoes don't even need fertilizer, because they're touching blueberries/apples :D

[crimson nest]

Didn’t think of that lol. I’m more of a run around and just click click click until it’s full 😂

[neat vortex]

Doesn't hurt anything, for sure! The fertilizer on a plant that's getting the same buff from a neighbor just sits in the soil and isn't consumed, so it's all still there if you ever need to pull it back up

Oooh and ten potatoes (or cabbages) would make the whole thing self-watering, too

Maybe fewer?

I like this concept, though

[drifting violet]

I'm a simple enby to please: I see pattern, I like pattern 🤣

[crimson nest]

Yeah! I thought about a full self watering program but I like the idea of less planting and sowing with the multi harvest crops. Thanks for showing me the fertilizer trick. I only really get 200 daily to work with as glow worms production can take up to 30 hrs

[neat vortex]

Makes perfectly good sense to me!

Hm... even with cutting down the fertilizer designated for the tomatoes, it's still 54 fertilizer per growth tick, and pickled tomatoes would only get you 7 fertilizer per RL hour. Depending how many worm/glow worm farms you're running and how many growth ticks you get per RL day, I can see how you might end up running a deficit. (With pickled tomatoes, at least, you'd need about 8 worm/glow worm farms to keep up, not counting overnight runtime... oof.)

Do you ever use grilled glow worm fish to feed the glow worms for fertilizer?

[crimson nest]

Never thought to do that 😱 I just use whatever meats I collect from hunting

[neat vortex]

Meat is GREAT for producing fertilizer cheaply (basically more than free if you sell the glow worms, lol!) but it's not the fastest at 3-4 per hour. Chucking a set of grilled glow worm fish in "under" your meat might help you keep up. Depending on the fish, it can even gain up to 20g worth of additional value :D

[fading aspen]

got a lil busy but @neat vortex hows this https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.WWCPTBkCRW-PTBkAAAAAA-CWR.HpPTBkWRC-BkTPRWCPTBk-AAAP.HpRBk.HpAAA-BkTPCWRPTBk-CRWBkTPR.HpWC-AAAAAABkTP-WRCBkTPCWR.W

[neat vortex]

I mean, you might be familiar with my strong bias against water retain and weedblock fertilizers 😅

[fading aspen]

yea, just wanted to keep it visually interesting, the middle needs the rice for the apple harvest

the corners could be saved but then its not 100 harvest

[neat vortex]

21 grains is certainly intriguing, though

[fading aspen]

this way you only need 1 of each fertilizer, period

but its more ugly and not 100% harvest

only 8 hb fert though so its not too bad

just thinking replacing the middle rice with tomato would reduce the need for the water/weed fert, but youd need 18 hb fert per growth tick

this just looks nicer visually and less fertilizer costs 🤔

(you can see where the band inspired me lol)

[neat vortex]

my Weird Layout that my friend adopted uses similar principles:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-OBkTPRBkTBB-POBkORTSpSpP-NNNAAAAAA-TPOBkRPOBB-BkTPTROSpSpBk-BkBBORTPTBk-SpSpOPRBkOPT-AAANNNNNN-PBBTROBkOP-SpSpTBkRPTBkO

(friend wanted 4 bushes, 1 apple tree, weed/water, and some room for grains)

rofl WB

[drifting violet]

(Are the ferts optional?)

[neat vortex]

Yes, they're just HB, so the only thing that happens if you leave them off is lower yield

[drifting violet]

I'll keep that in mind if I ever feel like moving my garden out of a courtyard 🤭 because it looks SO NICE

[neat vortex]

My friend built a little growhouse for hers!

[drifting violet]

HOW!?

[neat vortex]

I'm not actually fully sure, but it involves using an industrial shelf to set the wooden floor blocks at different angles and then possibly floating them...?

[drifting violet]

oh gods that is so much effort 🤣

[neat vortex]

lol yeah, don't look at me...

[drifting violet]

...but now I'm curious :p

[plucky rampart]

I use this one

[hexed bloom]

i'm very new to garden designs for growing lots of stuff, can anyone help me with a style for growing as much cotton as possible without having to water and weed every day? 😅

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbPCoCrRCrCo.HpCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb.Hp
Lane maximum star quality for only 2 water retain fert can swap water retain with harvest boost aswell if u prefer other fert

Kindof a meme layout but technically fulfills ur request 100%

Wait thats the wrong one where did my afk one go

[floral talon]

Il get it for u eventually

[hexed bloom]

take your time

[floral talon]

expect it within an hour or so kinda busy atm

[mint sandal]

I didn't think people would be so enthused by my layout haha, thanks!

[ashen garden]

interesting challenge i think, but i never really understood how HB works - is it straight double?

[mint sandal]

X1.5

[ashen garden]

ah then if we're not doing fertiliser its better to just maximise cotton slots

[sonic flare]

once i get a good foot in profits i will start to fiddle with building in this game I have tested some ideas already on a friends account

[ashen garden]

the other thing ive never figured out properly - if a plant is fully grown, it still provides a buff, yes? but what if it then gets a weed, is the buff still provided?

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Co.WCo.WCr.HpCb.WPBkCr.WR.WCo.Hp-R.HpCo.WCo.WCCbPCo.HpCr.WR.W-Cr.HpR.HpCo.WBkCCbCo.HpCo.HpCr.W-Co.WCr.HpR.HpPBkCR.WCo.HpCo.Hp-Co.WCo.WCr.HpCbPBkCr.WR.WCo.Hp-R.HpCo.WCo.WCCbPCo.HpCr.WR.W-Cr.HpR.HpCo.WBkCCbCo.HpCo.HpCr.W-Co.WCr.HpR.HpPBkCR.WCo.HpCo.Hp-Co.WCo.WCr.HpCbPBk.WCr.WR.WCo.Hp

[hexed bloom]

thank you so much ❤️

[floral talon]

harvy buff better hten quality up more hcance at 50% more valueble stuff or just straight up 50%more
both is best cuz then 1.5times more plus more 1.5times more ontop of that so its 2.25 better but yeay quality up goes gradually less useufll over time cuz ur gonna get more chance at starred by default

[floral talon]

its an extremely stupid meme layout unles u dont mind pusing that much fertiliser but u can buy it at zeki
or unles u forget to tend to your crops anyways then it keeps ur cotton growing

[floral talon]

if its in the layout it gives a buff water growing finished growing weed or not dont matter

[floral talon]

yw

[ashen garden]

did i have a stroke because that statement makes no sense to me

[sullen ridge]

i’m mad it’s only 9 soil plots 😒

[floral talon]

i want 4x4 plants or better a 9x9 one XD

[ashen garden]

no but seriously

[sonic flare]

question are days of grow only count when you are online right

[ashen garden]

you get one extra while offline, so whenever you come back your crops will always have advanced one day if that makes sense

[floral talon]

when u are online at palian 0600
an done time at 0600 afterwards like u get one extra hwen u log of

[ashen garden]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCCoPCoRCoRCo-PCoCCoRCoCCoP-CoPCoRCoCCoPCo-CCoPCoPCoRCoC-CoCCoRCoRCoPCo-CCoRCoPCoRCoC-CoCCoPCoPCoCCo-PCoCCoCCoRCoP-CoRCoPCoPCoCCo just leave the other plants where they are (if i understood the boost explanation correctly) these should just buff the cotton forever even if they get weeds on themselves

i dont know if that the best that can be made but this is my attempt anyway - you can swap each boosting plant for other plants with the same boost i just used potatoes carrots and rice for ease of layout visually

[floral talon]

i gues if u only want the cotton to be afk u can do that

but since u need to clear ur layout at some point XD might be an issue but depends on how many times u run it

[ashen garden]

well each of the plants i chose have (i think) the shortest growth cycle, so you can just weed em like 3 times and then they'll be fully grown, so then even if they do get weeds after that its easy to clear the layout just by harvesting everything

[ashen garden]

theres undoubtedly some doubleplacement and overlaps but if theres a better way i cant see it atm, probably it'll come to me at 1am tonight or something

[floral talon]

i dub urs the hardcore builder afk layout

[sonic flare]

Server Maintaince when I'm baking it has happend twice im mad

[floral talon]

read the status thingys

[ashen garden]

thats kinda on you buddy theres been multiple pings

[vivid horizon]

I use the planner, but have 3 plots in back for apple trees,
Then rest 2 by 2, all plots r separated in-between. Get a lot of weeds, can't seem to fertilize right. Can I put fertilizers on top of each other (sometimes it removes it)? R the plots not 2 be separated in-between? Can I put same crops in one plot? I also don't want to keep running back n forth between property when working to go water on main.

[floral talon]

just put ur soils on one plot against each other why spread it out ?_?

[fading aspen]

every plant has some buff it gives to neighboring plants. If you, for example, plants a potato next to a carrot, the potato will give the carrot a water retaining boost (meaning you dont have to water the carrot until you harvest it), and the carrot gives the potato weed pretection. Separating your plots basically means you're crippling the few boost you get. Another issue is that if you only plant 1 crop en masse, you dont get any boost benefits (crops dont give other crops that are the same as them the boost; i.e. a potato wont keep another potato watered)

[ashen garden]

i dont understand anything here

[vivid horizon]

Tysm this great.

[fading aspen]

what is your current farming goal? i could help set you up with some example layouts if you'd like

[vivid horizon]

I am trying to make sure if separating my plots is good , how prevent so many weeds, less water time & planting same crop in the 9x9 ok?.

[ashen garden]

separating plots is probably the worst thing you can do actually

[floral talon]

u mean soils plots are the things u build on

[ashen garden]

where was the magic ring just now

[fading aspen]

separating plots only gives you less boosts, you prevent weeds by using plants that give you weed prevention (carrot, onion, bok choy), water time decreases with a leveled up water can; but you can reduce watering alltogether by using plants that give you water retention (potato, napa cabbage, tomato). planting the same crop in a 9x9 doesnt give you any boosts.

[vivid horizon]

I do a lot of preserving for profit and of course try to keep a balance stock for cooking item & thing s I need for crafting tools & furniture. And now need to produce cotton with the new update with the curtains, have to generate more. I definitely would appreciate the help.

[fading aspen]

i see, what plants would you like to farm? how many apple trees/blueberry bushes? and other ingredients for cooking

[floral talon]

also if u got a total of 9 weeds on ur soils whic is ez to happen if u put ur soils on different plots nothing can grow or at least only very glitchy

[vivid horizon]

Right now I have 3 apple trees, 2 blue berries

[sonic flare]

how many jar makers should i have

[floral talon]

can vary from 1 to 30 depending on how u play

[vivid horizon]

I have 7

[neat vortex]

I log a LOT of playtime and am regularly jarring produce from 3 apple trees, 12 tomato plants, and 12 onion plants. I have 6 for apple jam, 2 for pickled onions, and 3 for tomatoes. And they get backed up if I harvest too many times in a RL day or grow too much extra corn or carrots (also jarred). So... varies a lot.

(I also have 4 seeders for 12 potato plants, 6 for 12 bok choy plants, and 2 that swap between making seeds for replanting and processing excess rice and wheat, so XD)

[sonic flare]

what's the crafting license max

[floral talon]

30 but why keep crafters ur not actively using outside instead of ur chests

[fading aspen]

this first layout has 3 apple trees and 2 blueberry bushes. Because it says 100 water retain and 100 weed protection at the bottom itmeans you only have to water something when you plant it, and never have weeds. It does only have 3 cotton though. If you want more cotton i have to remove an apple tree, thats the 2nd layout. The 2nd layout does have 1 waterretaining fertilizer but if you dont have that you lose 2 cotton plants so just spam click that one square and you should be good 🤷‍♀️ up to you

layout 1: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoTPBkCBkPBB-AAAAAAAAA-PTCoBkCBkBBP-TBBCBkPBkPT-PBkRTCTCCoC-BBTPBkCTPBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkPBkPTPBkCBk-AAAAAAAAA
layout 2: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoPTBkCBkTCoCo-PBkPCoC.HpCoPBkP-TPCoBkCBkCoCoT-PBBCBBBkPT-TPTBkCoBkCCoC-BBPBBCTPBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkPBkPTPBkCBk-AAAAAAAAA

to make money: bok choy and potatoes should be made into seeds, the rest in preserve jars (keep rice for cooking i guess).

[sonic flare]

I'm stock pilling other materials first I'm planning on building my house in two styles that will have one involves rustic style with gardening and the other will be industrial modern for the sawmills and forge

[vivid horizon]

This is great! Definitely work on it. The 1st way see how it works & later adjust if need to to #2 plan if need more cotton.Ty u rock!

[fading aspen]

happy to help!

little quick tip, you might want to stack some harvestboost fertilizer on your cotton, its not on the plans but if you have it from worm farming, you might as well use it

[vivid horizon]

Ok I get that at Badruu store right?I have worming & glow farming but usually use morels for it get fertilizer not many worms but lots of fertilizer 😂

[fading aspen]

harvestboost fertilizer is a byproduct of the worm farms (you either get qualityup fertilizer or harvestboost fertilizer depending on wether the item you put in is sweet or not). So most people using worm farms end up with a bunch of both

[clear kindle]

no harvest boost on the apple trees in those layouts hurts me so much as an apple farmer

[fading aspen]

just wasnt really feasible with the parameters given

[hazy flume]

Good morning all,
I got a few questions about the farming, I played palia when it had just been released but I had a long break and now getting back into it but I have forgotten a lot 😅

So I have just changed my plots so I have the harvest boost and water on all the plants, the idea was so I don’t have to use the harvest boost fertiliser anymore, but I have 5 apple trees on there and they take a while to grow so I was wondering if they already got the water and harvest boost if I use the speedygro will it still work already having 2 boosts on them ? And if it does work does it affect the outcome of apples as it won’t be the same amount of days using the harvest boost ?

Next question is how do you get speedygro fertiliser? I used to use it when I played before I think I got them from my glow worm farm but I cannot remember how I got it 🤣

[neat vortex]

See here :) #🌱│gardening message

In short: bugged and also hard to obtain, do not recommend

And good morning! (I am just poking my head in on my way to bed, lol)

[fading aspen]

i assume you have a layout similar to this?

idk how speedygro works tho, apparently its bugged

[hazy flume]

Thank you I will check that out, and have a nice sleep 🙂

[hazy flume]

Yes it’s similar, slightly different but not much, I didn’t realise it was bugged, is the bug having the harvest boost and speedy grow or is it just the speedygro is bugged ? I noticed that the blueberry don’t have the speed boost anymore I’m sure that they used to, that or the chillies but if it’s bugged that’s probably why it’s changed ?

[fading aspen]

chilis have quality boost, blueberries and apples had speedygro ive seen on old screenshots but got changed to harvest

[hazy flume]

Yeah I thought they got changed, quality ones are useless once you get to level 25 😢 do you get any perks when you hit 50 ? I’m level 47 at the moment

[fading aspen]

not that i know of, level 12 myself lol. cotton however is useful for fabric (unless youre so rich u just buy stacks)

[ashen garden]

yeah just buy fabric

do cake, buy fabric

[hazy flume]

I do grow it myself when I need it but I could just buy it thinking about it 🤣

[hazy flume]

Why cake ? Good money ? 🤨

[ashen garden]

looking sideways at my stockpile of 1000 silk from when buy and sell was the same so rich players used it as a bank

[ashen garden]

best money actually

[hazy flume]

Daym ! I didn’t know 🤣 be good to get cooking level up too ? I just farm apples and make jams 😅

[ashen garden]

lets just say that my cooking level is 150 and my mining level is 21

if you're already farming apples, stop making jam and go to the #💬│lfg-chat

oh wait no its #1143270926394335282

[fading aspen]

ez crafting

[hazy flume]

What am I looking for in there ?

[ashen garden]

cake parties. dont make em alone

[ashen garden]

literally 300k worth of silk and then they cut the price in half... rude

[hazy flume]

Ahh ok il do that.. I’m too used to playing on my own 🤣

[raven wyvern]

I need some help with a garden layout as a newbie.

I've got my apple tree in the middle, and I need to grow as much cotton as possible because I need fabric. I have a fair number of other crops, so I am not too fussed about what else I grow specifically - I can always jam them.

I DO want to be able to set it and forget it, if possible. So water retention is a must.

I have starred seeds, and 9 soil.

[ashen garden]

so you'll want weed prevention also - i made a layout for this earlier, you can just plug an apple tree in the middle of it

[ashen garden]

this should fit your needs @raven wyvern

[raven wyvern]

Thank you!!

[floral talon]

for low level u want to not do weedblock unles u really have to cuz its to hard to get water harvestboost(u probs want that almsot everyone does +50% apples) quality up (muhc more hcance at starry apples yey) . weeblock oof u cant really get 4 buffs on everything without fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

[neat vortex]

A search for "cotton" in this channel and skimming through for layouts/links to the garden planner should also turn up lots of options! We've had quite a few folks with your general criteria in the channel lately

[forest oasis]

hey guys, whats the best layout for a money making farm? 😄

[neat vortex]

This depends on many factors, including whether you want your garden to stay passive income or to be more active labor (more gold if you work at it, but much less gold if you fall behind at all)

[forest oasis]

I dont mind active labor!

ive just been growing apple trees for ages and wanted to try something else

[neat vortex]

In that case, strictly numerically speaking, assuming you are at least gardening level 25 and don't need quality boost anymore, maximum bok choy with rice plus another grain woven in to make it all harvest boosted. You will need many seed makers, and still may end up selling raw bok choy if your playtime to idle time ratio is high.

Note that I do not actually recommend this as a sustainable practice, if you want to spend time doing other things, because every lost growth tick (due to weeds or a missed watering) will sharply cut into your gold per hour.

[forest oasis]

brilliant thanys Eliot

[neat vortex]

This is also assuming you do not ever cook anything, don't participate in cooking parties, etc

[forest oasis]

not really tbh im not a big cooking fan

[neat vortex]

Search for "Aqajj" in this channel and see if that pulls up his 55 bok choy layout :)

[forest oasis]

i found it!

thanks for your help 😄

[neat vortex]

For most players above gardening 25, for a "best" money layout I recommend a balanced, self-watering, self-weeding layout with maximized harvest boost.

I typically use a combination of

• potatoes
• tomatoes for 100 percent water retain (or cabbage ONLY if you are not able to harvest tomatoes more often than every 6 growth ticks)
• bok choy
• 1-2 grains of your choice (rice is good money numerically and useful for profit cooking, but a pain to process for sale; corn is flexible; wheat is useful)
• second weeder crop of your choice (onion more useful for profit and focus cooking and pickles are good in a worm farm for more money; carrots are a sliver better on paper and line up with bok choy timing -wise)
  for 100% weedblock
• apple trees woven in as desired to reduce replanting labor

Processing;

• Seed potatoes, bok choy, and anything that cannot be jarred
• Jar everything else
• Bring your rice, onions, and perhaps tomatoes to for-profit epic fish poke bowl and sashimi parties
• excess apples can be used for cake parties if needed, but sweet leaf can often be in higher demand, depending on your group

If you need blueberries to HOST cake parties or chili peppers for your favorite focus foods, you can include those (maybe just until you are stocked up again), but they are not recommended for straight gardening revenue.

[ashen garden]

sashimi parties 😭

[neat vortex]

The logic here is that you get the most out of every growth tick with less active labor, which leverages gardening's strength as a source of passive income that chugs along as you do other things in-game (and then processing the crops continues even while you are offline, basically printing money in your sleep)

[ashen garden]

sweet leaf is actually very easy to get if you know how to loop bahari

[floral talon]

... teach me senpai about that loop of sweet leaf

[ashen garden]

its just this you'll get an absolute truckload. from central stables, go northwest, then when you reach outskirts(ish, not all the way there) turn and move east-north-east, then when you hit cliffs go southeast to the shores and tp back. this also has the benefit of going past lots of places where heat root can spawn, and a lot of the dari clove spawn spots. technically, this only goes through ~70% of the sweet leaf spawning area, but the speed with which you can do this loop (one loop is ~2h ingame) means its overall higher leaf per minute output. also, turn your foliage and texture settings down a bit when running this, apparently it makes it easier to see (i had no idea since ive always played with lower settings but my friends were losing their minds at how i could see the leaves lol)

[floral talon]

😮 so that is how cuz i used to need tons to get sweetleaf bug starred but i could only find a 20 per hour or osmething there just werent any but i gues i was taking hte wrong routes

[neat vortex]

It helps to also gather morels as you go, since they share spawn points. And yeah, turning off grass and bushes helps SO much.

also helps you see the dang bugs lol

[ashen garden]

yes definitely, forgot to mention. you dont gotta search them out, but if you see em, pluck em

[ashen garden]

some people loop outskirts to shores but theres a ton in flooded steps (bonus brightshrooms too)

[floral talon]

i finally figured out how it works thanks

[floral talon]

how deos the sharing aspawnpoint work
orry that this aint gardening
is it like unles a caertain amount of stuff is foraged/mined things wont respawn or will it try to get a spot but be like nah spot taken

[ashen garden]

theres only X herbs per area per unit time, and SL+MM share a spawn cap

(i think) but tbh even if we're wrong it doesnt really hurt, grab em and cook em for worms

[ashen garden]

if you think about it the whole of bahari bay is a garden full of nice crops

[neat vortex]

I see you already got your answer elsewhere, but I'm very curious: what do you plan to use them for?

What would you like to know about them? Some folks in the Discord grew them when they were mistakenly sent out. They are not-yet-implemented.

Oh, XP amounts? We can probably extrapolate that from grow time. All crops give 4 base XP per tile per growth tick (divided by number of harvests)

[neat vortex]

Here are the results from testing when lettuce seeds were given out:

• takes one tile, 6 growth ticks, single harvest — so most likely gives same XP amount as napa cabbage, since all other crops are consistent that way
• gives no buff to neighboring crops (because unfinished)
• missing texture and probably unfinished model (does not look like lettuce lol)
• seeds have same value as potato seeds (20g unstarred)
• lettuce crop is worth 55g unstarred, 82g starred

#🌱│gardening message

[inner leaf]

I really want gardening to be my 'path', any tips? (Or does it really not matter? 😅 )

[floral talon]

no having a path is how majis work we are humans we do whatever we want
but if u wanna get better at gardening best place to start 😄

whats ur lv anyways

[wild zinc]

Where do i find seeds??

[manic meteor]

Tree seeds are a random drop medium and large trees.

Whatever type of tree you are looking for, chop those.

[wild zinc]

I want new vegetable types and stuff

[manic meteor]

Zeki's general store sells seeds and Badruu's register at the farm stand sells the raw item you can buy to turn into seeds.

But one's like apples and blueberries you will need to earn in other ways.

[wild zinc]

it said i got some sort of berry bush from the devs

[manic meteor]

#🐣│palia-newbies message #🐣│palia-newbies message

How to obtain those in game.

[mint sandal]

Money

[floral talon]

why regular worms?

[neat vortex]

better for money for some items, if just selling them
e.g. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/htmlview#gid=1369869506

[mint sandal]

I had too many

[floral talon]

which item u using that regular worm is better then XD

[neat vortex]

most of the pickles reg worm is better for pure value added per hour, assuming selling the output and not using it

onion is +23g in reg worms and only +3g in a glow worm farm

If you are aiming for glow worms to use, then that's a different story

(in which case, if you insist on glow worm yield from pickles, I vote pickled corn, or napa kimchi if you are already growing cabbage)

[floral talon]

ic he was using pickled onion

my items its always better to use glowworms

[neat vortex]

like meat? yeah, typically, because low-value stuff can take advantage of minimums and rounding

[floral talon]

or grilled fish cuz its so high value u even fill thgat tray to fast ...

[sonic flare]

I’m leaving on vacation tomorrow and will be able log back in around the 9th forward

[devout vale]

your comment just saved me from nearly rage quitting on my own garden

[mystic skiff]

Glad it could help. 😂 It was driving my crazy too, I even cleared my garden before thinking it was the problem.

[neat vortex]

I love when someone uses the search and finds what they need \o/

[inner leaf]

Sorry for the late reply. I just got to 2nd level and am about to see Badruu for the seed collector.

[neat vortex]

Unfortunately, they changed the requirements and the seed collector recipe now requires level 5 :( Did you get a letter from Badruu telling you that the recipe was available?

[inner leaf]

Yeah, I didn't know Badruu was into pranks and cruel jokes, too. 😂

But I think it's coming along nicely. I got a third plot, bought some more basic seeds plus 3 bags of cotton seeds and run other errands between cycles. I hope to become a formidable farmer.

[ashen garden]

prioritise getting all soil plots asap, sell as much as you can to get them its like 9k total

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

[sullen ridge]

they should just give more soil plots..

[floral talon]

U need more money or xp?

[sullen ridge]

Xp 🥲

[floral talon]

Did u minmax growing stuff nonstop yet

[sullen ridge]

what does that mean

[gritty turret]

What is the best crop to grow for XP?

[floral talon]

They all equally good for xp

[neat vortex]

It means setting up a layout that is less likely to lose growth ticks to human fallibility, because all crops give the same XP per tile per growth tick (divided by number of harvests).

Since you can't raise the number of tiles once you have max soil plots, and XP per growth tick is a fixed number, then you want to make sure you get progress toward harvest on as many growth ticks as you can manage in whatever playtime you have.

Self-weeding, self-watering gardens with crops that YOU are more likely to harvest/replant in a timely fashion are less likely to lose productive growth ticks to missed tendings and delayed replanting. :)

All crops give the same XP, so it's just down to your specific preferences and hurdles.

[floral talon]

yey ren explains it

i cant be botherred giving an explanation longer hten one sentence

[tall hound]

Can anyone remind me what the website is that shows the crop sell price and the worm and canning equavilant? 🥺

[floral talon]

palia tracker has it or u need a sheet

[sullen ridge]

I read that like 7 times… i think im too dumb to comprehend. i’m sorry 😞

[neat vortex]

No problem! To be fair, I typed that on my phone immediately after waking up, so my wording may have been more obtuse than usual

[floral talon]

its fine we dont always bother to explains things properly i know i damm sure wont >:D

[neat vortex]

Sorry, currently digging around in directories and very distracted. I meant to ask/offer: if you'd like, I can try again, this time in less squinting-at-my-phone fashion?

[tall hound]

palia tracker was what i was thinbking of ty!!

[floral talon]

it would be so muhc easier if we knew the rounding points of wormers again sigh

[neat vortex]

We don't? 🤔

[floral talon]

i dont at least

[tall hound]

am I correct to say that pickled potatoes -> regular worm food = the most profitable single space crop?

[floral talon]

😮 someone asks a question about gardening that idk the answer to dam

[neat vortex]

This depends on whether you are taking growing time and processing time into account or not, I think. If you don't care about grow and processing time, then that seems likely. Bok choy comes out on top if you take the shorter grow time into account, I'm pretty sure.

One potato into pickles and then into worms takes an hour and... what is it for the pickles, 48 minutes?

[tall hound]

Makes sense, i dont care about the time investment since i have so many crafters they can always be going

[neat vortex]

That is really going to depend on your ratio of playtime to offline time, I think

I can't remember if pickled potatoes will jam the worm farm or not before the hopper runs out

[floral talon]

also reg wromers get their tray filled so fast

[neat vortex]

What's the yield on them for reg worms?

[tall hound]

do you do seeds or bokcoy or jar them?

[floral talon]

bokchoi seeds

[tall hound]

i work from home so i can babysit them pretty afk

[neat vortex]

Oh, I was misremembering. Starred potato -> pickle -> reg worms is 120g per potato, and starred potato -> seeds is also 120g per potato

So there's no reason to lengthen the processing time and have it squatting on multiple crafter slots when seedmakers will do :)

(bok choy as seeds is 88g, and bok choy -> kimchi -> worms is 90g, so, again, seeds)

Where the extra step DOES make sense is onions, imo. Jar is the top single process for raw onions (67g per starred onion), and then pickled onions -> worms is an additional 23g for 90g total per onion (on par with pickled corn and cotton as seeds)

[tall hound]

ohhh perfect, thanks!

[neat vortex]

I still only worm some of my pickled onions, though. +23g/hr isn't high enough to compete with most other processes, so it doesn't make sense to bump out, say, a glow worm farm on unstarred sernuk meat (+29g/hr) as long as I'm keeping it busy

For the garden, though, I tend to balance between per-crop and per-crafter-hour considerations, since it's so powerful as passive income

(That's just based on Vibes, though, lol; I hate the idea of selling crops unprocessed, even when it might make sense to do so; it all works out in the wash eventually, when I have a day when I can't play much, and then my bok choy and potatoes get caught up)

[molten cloud]

I would add to that cabbage -> seeds as well.
It's a good combo as well if you like doing potatoes, so you won't have to water.

[dense thorn]

any1 got a good plot for cake parties? like star appls and star blueberries

[neat vortex]

I do really love that cabbage is exactly the same in time and value as both seeds and kimchi... very flexible, so you can just stick it wherever there is space! (though seeds may stall fast as you get 6 seeds per cabbage)

[dense thorn]

planning on hosting some in the future

[neat vortex]

I bet we have a couple of those! What level gardening are you and how many blueberries will you need per week?

i.e., how many rounds of cake per week do you plan to host

[dense thorn]

just looking for the most effieicnt/hands free (i dont wanna water/weed all the time), or whatever u guys use urselves

maybe 1 or 2 per week?

[neat vortex]

1 or 2 of what per week?

[dense thorn]

cake party
ooh, like 50x

[neat vortex]

Okay, cool!

Oh yeah, and what level gardening are you, again?

[dense thorn]

above 10, not sure the exact number

[neat vortex]

nods But not 25 yet, right?

[dense thorn]

yeah, what do u get at 25?

[clear kindle]

once at level 25 you're guaranteed to get star crops from star seeds, around level 38-ish (50) you'll get star crops from regular seeds as well

[dense thorn]

wow didnt know that was a mechanic, thanks!

[clear kindle]

it helps to see if you still need cotton to help the quality boost

[dense thorn]

then actually ill come back when im lv 25 lol, seems i still have some grinding to do

[neat vortex]

Until then, you can get 100 percent starred crops via starred seeds plus the QualityUp buff, either from fertilizer or from cotton/peppers :)

[floral talon]

We got prelv 25 layouts xd

[neat vortex]

What do you think of this one?

• Full self-watering and self-weeding
• Room for every crop — or choose any two waterers, any two weeders, and one harvestboost grain
• Blueberries and apples are natively harvest boosted
• QualityUp fertilizer + star seeds ensures 100% star quality blueberries
  (No QU on apples since unstarred apples are quite hard to come by in endgame, and with your base star chance of ~75% with star seeds, apples produce more than enough starred fruit to cover the fruit froster role if needed. But, it is an option.)
• As shown, produces just over 100 starred blueberries in 30 growth ticks. To host 100 rounds of cake per week, this requires at minimum 5 growth ticks on your garden every day. (50 rounds per week would require 2-3 growth ticks per day.)

If that sounds like a tall order for you, you might want to have a look at one of the other "AFK" layouts folks in the channel have put together that can accommodate more than 2 bushes.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-OCbTB.QB.QBkB.QB.QO-W.HBkT.HPC.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPC.HPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPC.HPT.HBkW.H-OB.QB.QBkB.QB.QTCbO-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H

[dense thorn]

wow looks splendid, thanks!

[neat vortex]

Do look around to see if there's something else that would fit your needs better (an image and/or link search in the channel can dig up some great stuff!) but I'm happy if I was able to get you started :)

[barren sphinx]

at what point would you forgo quality up fert? im 35 in gardening and not usre if i want to yank my wheat seeds for more sellable crops.

[neat vortex]

wheat gives harvest boost :) it always benefits you! but

• by level 25, starred seeds alone are enough to guarantee starred crops
• by level 40ish, you get all starred crops even with unstarred seeds

(cotton and peppers give QualityUp)

[barren sphinx]

thank you! thats the info im looking for!

[neat vortex]

Highly recommend Arenvanya's Guide to Gardening!

[barren sphinx]

yes, im going to throw ins ome cotton for a while becasue im low

thank you. i'll look into that!

[neat vortex]

You can always put HB fertilizer on the crops the wheat was buffing, too, if you sub in cotton temporarily

[barren sphinx]

i have a simple pattern just foor my bok choy preserves farm and thats what im doing, sumplementing wheat for fert and useing fert where the wheat doedsnt boost. but i want to go all bok choy to see how it goes

[neat vortex]

with fertilizer instead, you mean?

[barren sphinx]

i mean, no fert and alll bok choy

[neat vortex]

Ah, I think your revenue would drop pretty sharply

[barren sphinx]

oh, i am thinking about this al wrong. im not awake lol

[ashen garden]

always, just use cotton you need it anyway

[neat vortex]

So, straight bok choy no fertilizer is average 2,126g/growth tick, sold raw

3,166 as kimchi

4,158 as seeds, but good luck

3,341g raw WITH HB fertilizer

4,975g w/HB, jarred

6,534g with HB, seeds, but unless you're harvesting VERY infrequently, good luck

[barren sphinx]

thanks i messed wirt the plot designer and its sliders but wasnt confident i was doing it right. i'lll just keep jarring my bc and using hb.

[neat vortex]

If you want a crop you can jar also, maybe corn?

[barren sphinx]

i'll look at corn.

[floral talon]

😮 it finally happened i need to farm cotton again

[neat vortex]

omg

share ur layout dude!!

[floral talon]

oh but u definitly wont like my cotton layouts

i mean not the ones intended to go for max cotton that is

my hardcore cotton i run this one time onlythe i got a stash of fabric again though not to much cuz storage space issues since i run it once instead of many times its not wroht getting water retain or weedblock on it as i then gotto run it more often being more work

[neat vortex]

81 fabric per grow cycle, I think? Nice

6 rows of 9 plants at 3 cotton per plant due to HB

we love repeating modules, yes we do

[floral talon]

i mean it could be more optimised to having more cotton in but idk how toplant that its to much effort

i need this cuz they added more furniture ...

and im kinda stockpile whatever is to much effort to produce when needed or just in time production YEY

[neat vortex]

lol just borrow Aqajj's riced bok choy layout I guess, but I don't wanna plant that thing lmao

How many cakes to buy 81 fabric, hmmmm

190g per fabric, 187 to 280g per cake?

55 starred cakes for 81 fabric, so let's say 20 starred rounds. 66 percent typical star rate on rounds, so that's 30 rounds of cake for 81 fabric, assuming you keep the unstarred ones to eat, since you do that. Does that sound right?

[floral talon]

wasnt fabric 700 coins in the shop

[neat vortex]

That's silk

[floral talon]

i eat both 😄

[neat vortex]

Yes, but, hypothetically lol

[neat vortex]

y'know, you could kinda invert this (cotton center rows) and do rice instead of corn for a sashimi speedrun at low levels

You'd have to babysit it, though

[ashen garden]

gotta babysit this layout anyway theres no water or weed (even with fertiliser you gotta still do one)

[floral talon]

Its intentional

[oblique girder]

War

war never changes

[floral talon]

😮 max dopamine layout nice

[lean anchor]

What do you mean?

[floral talon]

uhm why else would u go for just most red orb thingys
u harvest it the most its red orbs so yeay this is for max dopamine

[lean anchor]

I see thanks

[polar nacelle]

Hi is there an ‘optimal’ planting layout that incorporates ALL plantables?

[sinful ravine]

i use this for all crop harvest, it gets me by with what i need for any cooking and decent money from it. Now obv you could switch out some of the crops for other you see fit or need and harvest more of one type. hopefully the layout isn't too bad 😅

[neat vortex]

Optimal depends on your needs! What problems would you like the layout to solve?

[molten otter]

Hello everyone, hope you are having a good day! I just wanted to ask, Im newbie, is there any veggie that is better to turn into seeds befor selling? 🙂

[neat vortex]

All produce is better processed first! For many crops, the preserves jar you get later is even better. You can check the numbers here:
https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

If you don't have the preserves jar yet, then I would suggest turning everything into seeds before selling them, if you can.

If you have the preserves jar and need to choose, then the algorithm that works for most people is:

• seeds: potatoes, bok choy, and anything that can't be put in the jars
• jar: everything else

Make sure you plant starred seeds as much as you can! They give a higher chance of starred produce (guaranteed chance of starred produce in combination with the companion planting buff from cotton/peppers OR from QualityUp fertilizer)

[molten otter]

Thank you very much!

[latent coral]

Hey guys! I made a garden layout focusing on apples and blueberries (for cakes). It still includes every crop, has 100% watering and harvest bonus. Feel free to use. 😇

Link here: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-CrCPPCoCbTRCr-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-B.QB.QPB.QB.QTA.QA.QA.Q-CoPWRTBkWSpSp-TB.QB.QPB.QB.QAAA-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QOTP-PSpSpTBBRBB-AAAAAAPTCo

[last condor]

Does anyone have a farm layout with all crops with 100% weed prevention and either 100% growth boost or harvest boost?

[mint sandal]

Growth boost can't be done at the moment, devs deactivated that a long time ago cause it was buggy

[latent coral]

If watering or quality isnt that important, this might work? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TROOWBkBkCrT-PROTWBkCbCrT-WRORPBkCoTR-PRWCbOSpRBkSp-OBkRSpCBSpOB-OCWBOTBCP-WCoROBkOBkCrR-AAAAAAAAA-CbOWWCCrCBkW

[last condor]

Thank you

[ashen garden]

can probably avoid most of the quality up fertiliser, unless your level is quite low (for others looking to copy this)

[latent coral]

I accidently deleted my comment but yeah, I forgot to remove the fertilizer. Starred seeds will do the trick.

[abstract cradle]

How many open spaces do you need to plant a pepper seed? I have 3 spots open and shoveled but it still wont let me plant it.

[drifting violet]

4 spots arranged in a square

⬜⬜
⬜⬜

[floral talon]

and do make sure they are all properly tilted XD thats something that messes with me alot

[slate kelp]

Hi, would like share this layout if any find this usless.

[ashen garden]

this is a fantastic layout but my heart it hurts from the cross plot planting

[floral talon]

Awesome layouts

[floral talon]

requesting max chill layout or max chillout

[neat vortex]

What makes a layout more/less chill for you?

[floral talon]

apples since they require few tending
weedblock and water retain
preferably no fert aside from on the super duper large plants but ik theres only so much to be done about that before massive tradeoffs

i need a layout for once im done with my super fert eater 2000

[neat vortex]

XD

I feel like for that it'll be hard to beat the 4 apples AFK style

[floral talon]

what i use now but i cant use this indefinitly my fert is dropping fast and i will run out of fish to grill in a few months

[neat vortex]

with whatever individual crop mods you wanna do

[floral talon]

i just want max chill and probs some harvy buff

yes i make annoyingly vague layout requests now to
it feels so liberating to be on the other side for once

[floral talon]

cursed my own(and u also invented a almost identical one) succes haunts me

[neat vortex]

roflmao

[floral talon]

maybe i should tinker with the illegal layouts for once after my layout stops doing its job

[neat vortex]

Here ya go, here's old faithful, fertilizer (as always) optional: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HBkCrPCb.HPCrBkC-AAAAAAAAA-CBkCr.HPCb.HPCrBkC-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCrBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCr.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CPCrBkCb.HBkCrPC.H

(I hate carrots so much)

[placid storm]

any beginner farms for3x6 or 6x6?

[neat vortex]

What level gardening? (I assume low, but you never know)

[placid storm]

yes very low (lvl2)

[floral talon]

HOW DARE YOU!!!

[neat vortex]

They give you so little money for so much labor...

and aren't even that useful for cooking?

[floral talon]

😮 they aint that much work wait carrots that awefull coin wise but they line up so nicely with other harvest times

[floral talon]

idk u know i only eat cakes

[neat vortex]

Yeah and you can't OP carrots at poke

(tomatoes, onions, or spice sprouts, typically, and onions are top of the list and therefore easiest)

[neat vortex]

Nice! Welcome to the game :)

This early, you'll probably want to focus on building up your stock of starred produce for replanting, for when you finally get your seedmaker at level 5.

Have you been linked Arenvanya's Guide to Gardening yet?

[placid storm]

no i am not

[neat vortex]

It's linked at the top of this page (which is also the garden planner): https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app

Here is the low level gardening layout - the "I'm too busy running around and talking to villagers to tend my garden every day" version:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11_CROPS-TCCoCbOCbCoCT-TCCoCbOCbCoCT-TOCoCbCCbCoOT-TOCoCbCCbCoOT

• Each 3x3 square is independent but placing them like this allows more crops to benefit from the cotton buffs

oops, forgot picture

[placid storm]

thanky you very much you helped me alot

[neat vortex]

Let me also get you the money version :)

[placid storm]

yeah pls

[floral talon]

man i should so one day update my newbie guides they just aint good enuff yet
time to pput more stuff on my stuff i will someday do once i got to it but for now its future duhscapes problem

[neat vortex]

Here's the money version (i.e., harvest boost on everything BUT no weed prevention)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11_CROPS-PWBkTRTBkWP-PWBkTRTBkWP-PRBkTWTBkRP-PRBkTWTBkRP

Oh... hang on

[placid storm]

all good i can see it

[neat vortex]

I think I can bridge the gap :D

[placid storm]

This is my layout at the moment but i think i will change it to the first one you send https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-100_CROPS-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT-TRTPWPTRT

[neat vortex]

Tadaaa
100% water, 100% weed, split between harvest boost and quality boost
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11_CROPS-TPOBkRWOCoT-BkTPCoROPWBk-PWBkTRCoBkOP-OCoTWRPTBkO

[placid storm]

okay that third one is very cool i think i will build this xDD

[neat vortex]

Money layout for very low levels

100% water, 100% weed, split between harvest boost and quality boost
(it's a bullseye! pattern is: water, water, weed, weed)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11_CROPS-TPOBkRWOCoT-BkTPCoROPWBk-PWBkTRCoBkOP-OCoTWRPTBkO
MUST be 6x6 (though a similar one works for 9x9)

• put QualityUp on everything that ISN'T buffed by cotton if you want
• use carrots instead of onions if you want for marginally better profits (onion is used a lot in cooking, though)
• use corn instead of wheat if you want (but wheat is used a lot in cooking)

[placid storm]

one question what do i have to sell ?

[neat vortex]

Definitely sell bok choy and potatoes, as they are cash crops.

Keep:

• some of the starred produce (enough to make seeds when you get to level 5 and unlock seedmaker)
• whatever you want to have around to cook with (I recommend starting with 1 stack of each thing)
• keep ALL of your cotton to turn into fabric
• sell everything else

[placid storm]

thank you, helped alot :)

[neat vortex]

sorry, making a lot of edits because my brain is only half-working apparently and I keep hitting enter before I'm done XD

[placid storm]

no problem XD

[placid storm]

i cant put this farm into a 6x9 right?

it has to be a 6x6 or 9x9 right?

[neat vortex]

Good... question

Here, try it out! https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111_CROPS-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN

[placid storm]

i will do

[neat vortex]

(I kindasorta got it working - didn't preserve the universal harvest/quality boost - but I'm curious what you come up with)

[placid storm]

i try my best xD give a few minutes

[neat vortex]

Take your time, lol, I've been working with bullseye layouts for a loong time so I've got the pattern memorized XD

[placid storm]

i guess i dont get it XD

i dont get 100 on water and weed prevention only 96 and 93

[neat vortex]

It's a little tricky because the numbers don't work out if you go fully around the outside; you have to leave one column out in the cold and then fill it in: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111_CROPS-OPOBkTRTBkW-BkTPWCoRTBkO-OBkTWCoPPRO-POCoOPWBkTBk-POBkRCoWOPT-TWBkRCoTBkOP

but then that column doesn't get harvest boosted

[placid storm]

maybe possible to do the farm without weed prevention

[neat vortex]

Yeah, if you're just going for 100% water/100% harvest boost you could probably do it

The asymmetry on this kind of bothers me, but...
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111_CROPS-T.QPRPCoCoWCoT-WTPCoCoCoTRR-RWT.QCoCoPTCoR-RCoPTCoCoP.QTW-PWWCoCoCoRPT-PCoWCoCoTWRP.Q

[placid storm]

but this farm is good for money right?

[neat vortex]

It sure does rake in the value, if you can keep up with the weeds

Well, sorta, because you'll want to be keeping the cotton

But everything is watered, and most of it is harvest boosted AND quality boosted

but by god it's ugly 😂

[placid storm]

true

[neat vortex]

Personally, if you have six soil plots, I would do one of these:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11_CROPS-T.QPRWCoCoRCoT-WTP.QCoCoRPCoW-PCoRTCoCoW.QRP-WCoTCoCoPTWR.Q

AND

one of these, maaaaybe?

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11_CROPS-T.HPCoCoRWCo.HPT-TPCo.HRWCoCoPT.H

or...idk, smush them together somehow maybe...

Like this, maybe?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111_CROPS-W.QRP.QTCoTPCoW-T.QPRWCoCoRCoT-WTP.QCoCoRPCoW-RCoTWCoWT.QPR.Q-PCoWTCoCoW.QRP-RCoTCoCoPTWR.Q

[lean anchor]

Can you move all trees once you've planted them only

[lean anchor]

why is "something in the way"?? nothing is there

[hollow vessel]

The apple tree there, soil needs to be empty and untilled to be moved

[neat vortex]

not to just scoot it around; it only has to be empty/untilled to be placed in inventory

[neat vortex]

Do you have a Silverwing Statue (or similar) placed anywhere in the general area?

(That thing has an enormous hitbox)

[lean anchor]

Ah. That's it

[neat vortex]

Hey @fading aspen, O commander of bullseyes, wanna take a stab at this assignment? Lower than level 5 layout, max 6 soil plots

[lean anchor]

No, it moves to other places! But i appreciate your help regardless

[placid storm]

thank you my friend

[neat vortex]

sure thing! Feel free to tweak it for symmetry as you like :)

[drifting violet]

Hey @neat vortex, I was peeking at the number-crunching sheet and wanted to let you know that spicy pepper seeds can be bought now! ... they're pricey, but they're there! 🤭

[neat vortex]

...seeds? I've always known that they can be bought, where did I misspeak?

[drifting violet]

🤭 it's on the Processing Crops tab

[neat vortex]

OH! That has nothing to do with the seeds. It's talking about unstarred PEPPERS (the crop), which you cannot buy. Past level 40ish gardening, if you plant unstarred seeds, you will still get all unstarred peppers. If someone starts a recipe and forgets to check "use starred ingredients," and nobody has one of the ingredients unstarred, the recipe will fail.

[drifting violet]

OH I'M DUMB

[neat vortex]

So the "save all" is "save all excess unstarred peppers cause the only way you can get them later is at the mercy of the rummage pile" XD

However, this does tell me that that chart might be a little unclear due to spacing, so, lemme fix that

You can buy apple and blueberry seeds, too! Just... for too many guild medals lol

Thanks for pointing that out!

[drifting violet]

You're welcome! (Even if it was unintentional 🤭)

[neat vortex]

lolol, as you might guess, summary is not my strong suit....

[timid steeple]

anyone can suggest best layout farming with berry bush no apple

[misty ocean]

what is the fastest way to level up gardening? im at lvl 3 rn but I need it to be at level 6

[ashen garden]

[neat vortex]

Maybe this will help?
#🌱│gardening message

[unique anchor]

Can someone tell me the best crop to grow for money making? And what type of processing of it is best (preserves, seeds, raw?). Thanks.

[neat vortex]

Strictly by the numbers, without considering practicality, harvest boosted, starred bok choy processed as seeds is the highest gold value per tile per growth tick.

(see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/ )

However, it grows VERY fast and processes VERY slowly, so it is very easy to overwhelm your seeders if you play a lot of hours per day.

If you search in this channel for Aqajj, you can probably find his "minmaxed" 55 bok choy + rice layout.

(I do not recommend this layout for most players, as it is an enormous amount of labor given the returns. But, "bok choy" is the answer to your question, strictly speaking.)

[bronze fox]

Would be a huge help if someone could help me out with a layout, I'm lvl 53 in gardening and never payed attention to it 😅
I would like for it to include at least one: Apple Tree, Berry Bush and Spicy Pepper.
I like using Cotton and some Wheat. Currently using a bunch of Napa Cabbage for jar (Unsure if its the best money wise).
Any ideas?

[neat vortex]

As a question, do you need to grow cotton? (It is possible to buy fabric! not sure what your money-making situation looks like.)

rather: what are you using the cotton to make?

[bronze fox]

I suppose that I could just straight up buy it yeah.
I currently have 50k, so I do have money to spare for it.

[neat vortex]

I ask because generally speaking, cotton tends to take up a tile better used for harvest boost crops (which actually benefit you at your level, unlike cotton, which does nothing)

[floral talon]

buy it if u only need very few very rarely or stockpile some cotton/fabric its apain to put inlayouts XD

[bronze fox]

Oh I see! Well in that case, I wouldnt mind taking Cotton out.

[floral talon]

u can do one layout with tons of cotton so ur good for a very long time first 🙂

[bronze fox]

I.. have 83 fabric atm

[floral talon]

then ur fine for now

[neat vortex]

Fabric is 190g each, and starred cotton is 67g, takes 2 cotton to make one fabric... 134g per fabric plus the opportunity cost of not planting rice or whatever. XD I say pay the <50% markup

[floral talon]

unels u craft tons of furniture for building masterpieces XD

[neat vortex]

That's just me, though, and some folks enjoy being self-sufficient!

We can find you a cotton-included or cotton-optional layout no problem

[bronze fox]

Not at the minute, just need a lot of stone for my projects. Should be good on fabric for a while.
I could just buy fabric from the store.

[floral talon]

yup i just htink making poeple think about their wants helps make thigns way easier as often they wont need so much

[neat vortex]

Lessee what we got

Do you tend to do cooking parties for profit? If so, which? :D

[floral talon]

btw u said u need peppers thats ok lots of poeple use those but i wanna add that i personally just eat cakes including starred ones from cakepartys as thats most efficient then i need like one plant one time for all my spicypeppers needs for hte rest of the game (i onyl ever planted 4 of em and havent run out in almsot a year)

[bronze fox]

I tend to cook with just a friend, we usually go for the Spicy Stir Fry, Phoenixfire Relleno, Chapaa Masala or the cake.

[neat vortex]

chapaa masala o_o; is that the one that needs dari?

[floral talon]

then it makes sense u keep famring hte peppers though one gives like 50 so it lasts so long

[bronze fox]

the only issue I have with cake is that the regular one need non starred blueberries, which I never get. And the star one need the star sweet leaf which i'm able to get every now and then.

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

EVERYTHING GARDEN!!! (and ofcourse you can swap out onions with carrots and potatoes with tomatoes for example)

this is hte everything besides cotton f to the U cotton that i made

[floral talon]

thats not how cooking works

[bronze fox]

I.. may or may not have been giving much thought to my cooking either
My focus is on 1000, so.. Birthdaycake it is perhaps?

[bronze fox]

Doesnt it say so in the "recipe"?

[floral talon]

ok so heres how it works and its very strange they made it that way
by default u can only use unstartred stuff

[ ] checkbox ALLOW starred

but then it pulls starred first but if u run out of starred iot will allow u to click unstarred stuff to so u can mkae starred apple cakes without starred sweetleaf

[bronze fox]

Thank yoou! ❤️
This looks very promising.

[bronze fox]

so.. I dont need starred sweetleaf to make the cake? ._ .

[floral talon]

for example once there was this any spice recipe which i made with starerd veggies but i only had starred dariclove and i dont wanna use that cuz its to precious but it wouldnt let me click the 0 value unstarerd spicesprouts which u can even buy en mass from zeki so i lockbox my starred dariclove that is starred and then i can select my unstarred spices

[floral talon]

nope though it does help as it being starred ups ur starred meal chance

honestly i cannot blame u for not getting it its just weird

[bronze fox]

Would be amazing if you could click on each ingredient before starting a recipe to not or to use star ones.
This is a gamechanger.

[neat vortex]

I agree, that would be nice

[bronze fox]

Welp, this changed everything.
Celebration Cake for days it is 😄

[floral talon]

i preferred it if it was unstarred only checkbox and it pulls starred by default but u can select everything

[neat vortex]

But yes, just lockbox your starred sweet leaf (or use it, whatever).

[floral talon]

hoyo hoyo holololo hoyo hoyo
cake eater conversion completed

one of mine one of mine

[neat vortex]

I know DS is all about eating those cakes, because he tends to focus on time efficiency, but for money efficiency, I think you can probably do better. (Bagspace efficiency, though, idk.)

[bronze fox]

Haha only make sense as a baker ey 😉

[neat vortex]

(and dual-playering it, not so much with the time efficiency, either...)

[bronze fox]

I will be waiting for that single untick ingredient option though

[neat vortex]

Send in a suggestion? :D
palia.info/feedback

[floral talon]

i should probs send feedback yes

gotto go now byes

[bronze fox]

Defiantly.
Now that we have come to this conclusion to buy fabric and just do cakes (thanks to you lots)
Does this change the Garden layout aswell?

[neat vortex]

Dueling "everything gardens":

• harvest boost fertilizer optional, but recommended
• 100% water/weed without fertilizer
• trees and bushes harvest boosted without fertilizer
• can sub in a second blueberry bush if you like (instead of peppers)
  https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-OCbTBBBkBBO-W.HBkT.HPC.HPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPC.HPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPC.HPT.HBkW.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTCb.HO.H-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H

If you plan to eat cakes, I would strongly suggest joining cake parties so that you can (a) make them faster (fewer steps stacked up per person) and (b) more cheaply, as you're only responsible for one or two steps' worth of ingredients.

[bronze fox]

I will look more into that in the near future, thank you to your both for all your help

[neat vortex]

Solo-processing cash crops:

• bok choy (seeds)
• potatoes (seeds)
• tomatoes (jar; or poke parties)

For-profit cooking crops:

• onions (poke parties/muujin Bahari — or for excess, jar and optionally put pickles in a reg worm farm)
• rice (sashimi parties, or seeds)
• corn (fish tacos/muujin Bahari parties, or jar)
• wheat (muujin bahari parties, or seed)
• apples enable you to participate in cake parties as a fruit froster (+sugar), and are a middling cash crop if jarred. They're... okay. Their main virtue is that they reduce the amount of labor you do to maintain your garden, and also provide harvest boost to your other crops.
• blueberries are really very not great for profit if solo processed (jarred), but allow you to HOST cake parties, if you want to do that (or participate as a starter in someone else's cake party, but usually the host covers that role). They do provide harvest boost as well.
• spicy peppers (muujin Bahari parties, or jar; but they are not even as good as blueberries for solo processing). They provide NO companion planting buff benefit once you are past level 25 if you are planting starred seeds, and no buff benefit at all past level 40. (Used for some v. popular focus foods.)

If your sole aim is profit, then everything else you should only plant if you need it for focus food and/or achievement/quest cooking, in my opinion — but all of that will depend on your preferred focus food(s).

HOWEVER there may be other considerations in play, such as:

• if you want to have a very flexible garden that you can mostly just harvest when you need things (everything garden)
• wanting your garden to be very resilient to neglect (i.e., longer-growing crops so long periods online-but-AFK are productive, which is one very good use case for napa cabbage)
• or to have all your harvests sync up together "on the 3's."
  In these cases, playstyle factors will change how each crop profits you, so YMMV. Grow what will let your garden work for you \o/

[neat vortex]

I saw someone ask if they could share this, and the answer is "absolutely yes"!

[wet isle]

for preserves is it better to use my star veggies or save the starred for meals?

[neat vortex]

My usual algorithm is to save some of my starred vegetables (enough for what I want to cook where I care about pushing up the star value, plus some in reserve) and then jar the excess

For example, I cook about 60 rounds of steak dinner a week at a cooking party, which requires wheat. I want the steak dinner to turn out starred, because then it exactly covers my focus needs for cake parties. (I'm a little weird this way, but it works for me, lol) As a result, I want to definitely use starred wheat for it.

I also like to always keep at least 30 of every starred produce on hand, for "just in case" reasons (impromptu cooking, helping people with achievements, whatever)

So, as a result, my threshold for keeping wheat around is 90 wheat (60 + 30). Once I have 90 in storage, I process the rest (as seeds, obviously) to sell.

I feel like that might not have been your question, exactly, though... did I answer it?

[wet isle]

actually that helps

this is what im working with but i get so confused with what to keep, jar, make into seeds

i was following someone elses recommendation back when i played more often, i just came back and feel overwhelmed from the gardening

[wet isle]

this does help a lot to know exactly what to save

i was also using this as a guide, im only lvl 10 but dont know if this is still effective

[neat vortex]

Yes, this is still good! Its only limitation is that it doesn't take processing time into account - but for the majority of players, who have more out-of-game time than they log playtime, you aren't going to run into, say, "producing more bok choy than you can possibly seed" as a problem

(I do occasionally, because my playtime is frankly silly most weeks, but then I have a day or two where I hardly play and everything catches up just fine)

If you want a full version of this algorithm, it's here (Gardening: Processing Crops tab)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/htmlview#

[wet isle]

really appreciate it!

[neat vortex]

Hm, I hadn't quite looked at the layout, and I feel like there might be a better arrangement for getting harvest boost on everything (not that anything is stopping you from using fertilizer on the ones that aren't getting it from companion planting)

There is a certain appeal to that very straightforward pattern if you are feeling overwhelmed for now

But if you feel up to trying out something a little more complex, let me know :) We can find something that meets your needs. At level 10 you should just have gotten your first apple seed, as well.

[wet isle]

im not sure if i got my first apple seed but im open for trying out something new

[ashen garden]

there will be a quest from badruu, i think - you should get one, and then you can probably request a couple more. the most important thing would be to get apples to star quality, so look for a layout that incorporates at least enough cotton to give the star up boost

[neat vortex]

Let me know what you think of this idea:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTOBkRCrOCrP-BkPTRCrRTOBk-OBkP.HCrRTPCrO-TRBkPCrOBkRT-RCrRPTBkRCrR-TRBkOCrPBkRT-OCrPTRCrP.HBkO-BkOTRCrRTPBk-PCrOCrRBkOTP.H

It's more complex to plant (3 concentric circles in 2 patterns, plus an extra segment in the middle)

You can definitely customize each crop to whatever you want - like if you wanna keep carrots instead of onions, go for it, or adjust the harvest boosters in the second circle, or even weave in cotton — so it's pretty flexible.

Once you get the apple tree seed, you can even smack that right in the center plot and harvest boost it if you don't want to change the rest.

[ashen garden]

looks like a variation of the cross we were talking about last week right

[neat vortex]

The cross shape from last week is a variation on this, actually :)

[ashen garden]

ah there we go lol

having water/weed as outer ring is smart actually

[neat vortex]

That water-water-weed-weed pattern is very versatile

Similarly, grain1-cotton-grain2 (repeat)

[neat vortex]

(This is the cross pattern being referenced, created by @mint sandal )

[neat vortex]

planner link for same

However, I would consider the bullseye to be intermediate difficulty and the cross pattern to be more on the advanced end; it's not as easy to keep track of all the moving parts, though once you have it in the ground, it's just simple pick-one-plant-one replacement, crop by crop.

[neat vortex]

lol here's some silly fun...
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BBTBBBkTBkT-PTPOBkTWOP-BkBBOBBTPT-POPTBkRPOW-AAAAAAAAA-CoBkOCoTPBkOBk-TBkPBBOBBP-TBkCoBkOBkTPO-TPOPBBBkBB

I just wanted to see if I could cram all 4 buffs onto an apple tree and still have the rest be self-watering/weeding

The result is way too chaotic, imo

[ashen garden]

blueberries seem unneeded, why are they there?

[zealous edge]

[CHOKES] EXCUse--
This looks absolutely phenomenal. I gotta try this out !!

[neat vortex]

credit to @left portal for the Bullseye layout :)

[mint sandal]

I didn't base my layout on the bullseye at all actually, I made it from scratch with no reference

[neat vortex]

idk, for fun and perhaps more harvest boost shrug This isn't intended to be OPTIMAL, I just wanted to see if I could Garden Sudoku a bit 😂

[neat vortex]

Nice work! I stand corrected :)

[ashen garden]

not minmaxing?? how dare you /j

[last condor]

Is there a way to clear all fertalizer from a plot?

[neat vortex]

See here: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

I actually have never used it, so I have no idea

I'm super curious and would love to hear more about what you're observing

[floral talon]

i think it just makes it stay watered but i havent checked it if it aint watered adn then growthtick makes it watered cuz why wouldnt i water it after planting
also not sure what will happen if theres knapweed on it as knapweed tends ot unwater crops after a growthtick of being on it
or what happens if its harvestable though that does unwater it if u dont harvest after a growhttick if the buff comes from neighboring plants for some reason

[neat vortex]

Rediscovered this very fun calculator, created by gazar (who also did a lot of other fundamental research early on, including XP investigations!)
This calculator aims to answer the "do I have enough crafters for this?" question based on how many growth ticks your garden gets per IRL day, how many of each crop type you have planted, and how you are choosing to process them (including letting you split them some and some, very fun)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f39XkRS-H6WaeKaCwS_iyLZVhTvmfpu14irjb8K9awU/edit?gid=1541987521#gid=1541987521

[neat vortex]

Seems like my current setup is just fine as long as my average growth ticks per day stays at about 12 (and my garden is indeed bringing in about 58k per IRL day on average, lol)

[neat vortex]

If I understand you right, you planted carrots and put 2 hydrationpro fertilizer on each, then watered them so they would start growing.
growth tick 1: fertilizer consumed to "water" the plant for the day
growth tick 2: fertilizer consumed
growth tick 3: plant becomes ready to harvest and doesn't need watering anymore
Is that what we expect to happen?

(LOL I wonder what happens if you put the fertilizer on but don't water them in?)

[neat vortex]

That's why I tend to count growth ticks rather than "days" - because that's the check that consumes the fertilizer

"Day 1" isn't a day at all, it's "0"

Here is how I am conceptualizing it:

• plant crop, water in
• 6AM Palia time rolls around. Growth tick #1 happens and plant is now "unwatered." Instantaneously, fertilizer 1 of 2 gets used, so plant is now "watered" (as if you had watered it)
• growth tick #2 happens -> fertilizer 2 of 2 gets used -> plant is now "watered" again until the next growth tick
• growth tick #3 happens, plant becomes harvestable; harvestable plants (should*) consume no fertilizer

So, 3 "days" growth means 3 times passing 6AM Palia Time (including once after you log out)

[raven wyvern]

Ok, I have completely empty dirt and a MIGHTY need for cotton. Help, please?

I wasn't able to find a cotton-heavy layout in searching, but that may be because the layouts aren't specifically named?

[floral talon]

To many cotton layouts possible

[raven wyvern]

O....kay?

Thanks, that really helped me out...

[floral talon]

i mean i got like 30 of em all with different purposes but i can give u the i just want cotton and dont care about anything else one

keeps it simple

just that pattern on every soil ... idea is that u dont run it much and just power through it and it also gives u 2/3 of ur tiles cotton with harvbest buff cuz w ho wants to put harvy fert on everything

if u got more specific circumstances u can say so and il grab one of the more complicated cotton layouts for you

[floral talon]

what do you need cotton for how much u need how many times u think u gotto run it
water retain needed? weedblock needed? how much fert u wanna use?

ah crap i chased someone of again

[zealous edge]

I'm doing The Bullseye that Eliot sent (But Khan came up with!) and . I feel like Im doing an exact science HAHAH
Just one question (googling didnt seem to help...)
Which food do I feed glow worms to get quality up fertilizer?

I know normal worms need Sweet foods, but I remember the Glow Worms needed something else 🤔

[floral talon]

sweet foods all worms use same foods but sweet is quality up fert everyhting else harvy buff

[zealous edge]

No wait, sweet foods give harvest boost right? hmmm

[floral talon]

sweet is quality up all else harvestboost fert

[zealous edge]

Oh wait you said that LMAO my bad
Thank you !!

[raven wyvern]

I did that pattern but with water retain stuff, I'll put harvest boost fert on it

[floral talon]

yeay its simple plant so nice

[neat vortex]

This may not address your needs, but it is possible to buy both fabric (190g) and raw cotton (180g)!

Since fabric takes 2 cotton now, and star cotton is either worth 67g each (raw) or 90g each(as seeds), or whatever revenue you're giving up for what you'd plant there normally, plus time and effort, then it MIGHT make more sense to buy it. (Though there is always the satisfaction factor and other things not accounted for by money calculations - only you will know what works best for you)

[loud wolf]

Hey. What’s the best 9x9 that uses everything?

[floral talon]

does ur everything include everything or "everything"

[loud wolf]

All farming items

Why wouldn’t you want 1 of everything?

Or what’s the best farm?

[floral talon]

making such a layout is an absolute pain and i use different strategies but good question very good
i do not use spicypeppers at all as my food comes from eating cakeparty cakes starred included (i mena ifarmed 4 of em and i sitl havent ran out fo rhte past almost a year 3/4 of a year)
i do cotton on seperate runs as their buff is useless at higehr levels and i either need none or a large amount at once

[loud wolf]

I haven’t been playing for a good while and kinda forgot my old layout

[floral talon]

blueberrys is also something i do not need similar reasons to peppers

i do have an almost everyhting layout if u need that but for EVERYTHING uhm i do not

DuhScape — 12/11/2024 23:51
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

EVERYTHING GARDEN!!! (and ofcourse you can swap out onions with carrots and potatoes with tomatoes for example)

[loud wolf]

So do you just process apples and a few things? Instead of everything?

[floral talon]

yeay thats what i do untill i need more cotton then i run cotton only one once

[loud wolf]

Oh Do you have a mainly apple layout??

[floral talon]

yes several currently i use one with 6 afk harvest boosted apples iewth fert cuz i got to much fert anyways that one wormfarm man it grinds running 24/7

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.HpA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HO-BkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-OA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.HpA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HO.WA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.Hp

max afk apples allowing fertiliser

[loud wolf]

Thank you!

[floral talon]

i got fertless ones to so many so so many

[loud wolf]

Ooo can I have your fertlesss ones please. I don’t really farm it atm

[floral talon]

do you need blueberyys on it ornot again i got to many so idk which ones to give

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HCbCBkAACAA-BkPCbACrAAC.HpA-CBkP.HAACbAAC-CbAAPCr.WCr.WBkAA-ABkACb.WP.HCb.WABkA-AABkCr.WCr.WPAACb-CAACbAAP.HBkC-AC.HpAACrACbPBk-AACAABkCCbP.H
everything afk apples2

[loud wolf]

I have all crops and I completely forgot which one is the best

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HOCbPBk.HPCbOCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbPCr.HOBk.HOCrPCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkOCbP.HCbOBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbOCrPBk.HPCr.HOCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkOCbP.HCbOBkCr.H

everything afk apples

[floral talon]

there is no best but hteres best to you

[carmine mantle]

@loud wolf This is one I recently switched too, though I am noticing a lack of cloth now that i'm furniture building

[loud wolf]

It’s also been a while for me playing. TBH I don’t really build so would only use cloth when I need it

[floral talon]

and thats why i do not include cotton in my main layouts

[floral talon]

i do main layout (whichever one i feel like) oh they made more furniture now i run out of cotton ok one or 2 runs of diehard cotton

[loud wolf]

Ahh makes sense. I swear I have a bunch laying about. I’m a hoarder 😂😂

[floral talon]

i prefer the term strategic stockpiler

[loud wolf]

😂😂 love the name. But I don’t think I need 10 of the exact same fish. But since I have room - into the chest they go! Are blueberries worth it or is apple where the profit is at?

[carmine mantle]

Cakes and pies are generally where the profit is at for those two crops specifically

[floral talon]

blueberrys are only for cake starters and poeple who cookw ith em for reasons that go beyond me

though i did have an ultra lazy jam layout for just farming jhams cuz its easier then replanting the smaller plants

[loud wolf]

I have got 1 apple tree and 2 blueberry bushes on my plot. Do I need to destroy them or will they eventually disappear?

[carmine mantle]

Just like tomatoes, they have a limited amount of harvests before needed replanted

[floral talon]

3 harvests each

[loud wolf]

So it is worth having apples and blueberries? And if so do you have a layout? They seem to last forever unless I keep missing them watering?

[compact rock]

i also like this term XD

[floral talon]

it really really depends on how YOU want to farm and why

but aplpes are superior to blueberrys by alot (maybe im just super biased but yeay)

[compact rock]

yeah have you tried just grabbing seeds at random and throwing them down cause thats how i do it

[floral talon]

username checks out

[loud wolf]

But remembering to come back to water and weed is a pain

[floral talon]

if u strugglke with that u want awayfrom plot or often afk(which they aint) layouts

do u prefer sert and forget or continious low effort farming i think ur more set and forget

[carmine mantle]

the layout I linked back to basically has you only water once (when you plant the crops)

[loud wolf]

Set and forget!!

[floral talon]

i linked u some applle layouts those will all work for that
if u got more specific wishes feel free to yell at me or ren or sylvablade or that other guy im sure theres more poeple in here that collect layouts

[loud wolf]

Thank you guys! Really appreciate it!

[floral talon]

kindness saves the world -has multiple warnings about breaking the rule about being kind ...- being nice is hard

[neat vortex]

(psst all multiharvest crops last for 4 harvests, disappearing on the last one)

[floral talon]

i stand corrected by the wise and almighty ren

i may or may not be extremely exhausted by xmass and have it affecting my htinking

[mint sandal]

Yeah I don't do much furniture building these days so that's why I put only 1 cotton in my layout

[floral talon]

cotton is soo sooo fluffy

[carmine mantle]

My fix was to replace the wheat and rice, though only after I get a 50-ish stock pile of them. I need an everything layout due to cooking with friends often, plus trying to stockpile for cooking parties

Its working out very well, so thank you for the layout ^^

[neat vortex]

I dunno about "best" - as DS said, that depends on your needs - but here are another two options.

"All the Everything"

• swap the grains (wheat for illustration purposes) to whatever proportions of rice/wheat/corn you need
• cotton can be subbed in as needed on the grain tiles not touchng the apples/bushes, if you like)
• optionally, add HB fertilizer to make it full harvest boost, but the trees and bushes won't need it
  https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WOBkPTPBkOW-OCbTBBBkBBO-WBkTPCPTBkW-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPCPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-WBkTPCPTBkW-OSpSpBkSpSpTCbO-WOBkPTPBkOW

But I am also of the opinion that unless you are building a stockpile for "just in case" purposes OR regularly cooking focus foods with peppers/hosting cake parties (not just attending them), you probably can get away with not growing peppers/blueberries. They are not great for revenue in terms of gold per tile per day, so they are best planted solely for crop utility.

"What the Grains"

This is an "everything layout" for the grains-stockpiling crowd (sashimi/fish tacos/assorted focus food), but doesn't HB the apple tree and bushes without fertilizer.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbPOBkWRORT-BkTPRCrTPOC-OBkCbSpSpPSpSpO-TRCPCrOBkTP-AAAAAAAAA-TPBkOCrTCRP-OBBPBBCbBkO-COTTCrRPTBk-PRORWBkOPCb

[neat vortex]

One more:

"All the Everything: Less Fruit"

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OCbPBkBBPBB-OTRBkCbBkRTO-CrOPTBkTPOCr-TPRBkOBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkOBkRPT-CrOPTBkTPOCr-OTRBkCbBkRTO-SpSpPSpSpBkPCbO
harvest boosts the grain tiles, apple tree, and bushes without fertilizer, so you get more yield
as always, sub in crops to your liking (any layout can be an "everything layout" as long as it accommodates apples, bushes, waterers, weeders, and grains)

[floral talon]

... did u photoshop the layoutplanner website into making tiny layout cards

[mint sandal]

You're welcome! Also if you're interested, I'm currently using a different layout. It's very much rice oriented but you can easily replace some of those with cotton. I recommend these 4 that way the bushes and the tree remain harvest boosted
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HCb.HPBkCBkRCrR-AAAAAAAAA-PCb.HP.HBkCBkRCrR-PTPBk.HOROBB-CPRBkCbBkRWR-PTPC.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.H-TBBPCRR.HOP-TBkTPO.HPCb.HBk.HCb.H-SpSpT.HR.HCPPOR.H

[carmine mantle]

saves image

[neat vortex]

I... image edited? the screenshot, yes (in MS Paint3D don't judge me XD)

[slow flame]

Hey, I've a doubt do specific crop requires specific type of fertilizer or we can use single type fertilizer for all the crops?

[drifting violet]

Generally, the fertilizer you want to use is based on the crop you're growing, and made even more specific by how your layout is set up

like if you're growing tomatoes/potatoes and other stuff, you wouldn't need to use as much HydratePro fertilizer since the tomatoes and potatoes give that buff to surrounding crops

so, all of that to say: please post your current garden layout and someone can guide you

[slow flame]

okay got it, thank you!
I'm not following any specific planting pattern tbh, but if someone have any pattern and they can share so it'll be great.

[drifting violet]

Just scroll up a little bit, Ren’s got a couple of “All the Crops” layouts posted if you're level 10!

There's also @floral talon, the master of layouts, if you search this channel for links he’s posted he has plenty of intermediate layouts :D

[clear kindle]

generally, harvest boost fertilizer above all else as it gives more crop per harvest. would also recommend to go as lightly on fertilizers as possible as there are a lot of glitches (loss fertilizer) that can occur

[karmic scroll]

What is the best layout for income in crops please? (Only level 2 in farming)

[neat vortex]

How many soil plots do you have so far?

(max is 9)

[karmic scroll]

Rn I have 4 but I can buy 5 more

[neat vortex]

If you have the gold to invest, do buy the rest of the soil plots as you can :)

[karmic scroll]

Sure. I have 4K gold. Been hunting haha

[neat vortex]

Nice!

Now, you have two choices: do you want to maximize revenue (which will require a lot of active work for tending and replanting), or do you want to have your garden still give good money but mostly tend itself?

[karmic scroll]

Maximise please. I have a lot of time on my hands

[neat vortex]

Okay, cool

[karmic scroll]

Got 9 now 💖

[neat vortex]

This is maybe technically not THE best layout for straight revenue (you could cram one (1) more bok choy in there by turning it into a game of sudoku), but to me the extra fuss is not worth it.

But this is the general strategy:

• many bok choy.
• Harvest boost it with grains (2 rice each touching 1 wheat) and QualityUp the absolute snot out of it.
• weed/water every cycle by 6AM Palia time; replant promptly
• optionally, swap out the grains for cotton for the first couple grow cycles
• make sure you save a couple of each star-quality produce for when you get the seed collector at level 5

Unless you have access to worm and/or glow worm farms, you will need to craft the fertilizer using the recipe: https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/QualityUp_Fertilizer
You will need 54+ QualityUp per Palian sun cycle (unless you also choose to fertilize the grains - valid choice - in which case you will need 81 total per Palian day. But that's a lot.) Fertilizer CAN STACK up to 99 per crop, so if you go on a hunting spree and craft a bunch of fertilizer, just dump it on there.

Each fertilizer craft makes 20 fertilizer and uses 1 of any bug (PUT YOUR FANCY BUGS IN THE LOCKBOX or IT WILL TAKE THEM), 1 meat, and 1 sundrop lily. I recommend heading out to Bahari and asking if anybody's doing a honey lure in the evening, and then you can party up and get a bunch of bugs that way. Sundrop lilies are particularly abundant in S. Bahari, but you can also buy them, in a pinch.

Nothing terrible will happen if you don't use the fertilizer, btw, but anything that ups your chance of star quality produce (worth 50% more than normal quality) will improve your revenue.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q-Bk.QRBk.QBk.QWBk.QBk.QRBk.Q

Until you get the seed collector recipe, just sell your crops as-is. Buy crafting licenses. Once you get to level 5, craft a bunch of seed collectors and turn everything into seeds as much as you can. Plant the starred ones first, fill in with unstarred if needed, sell the excess.

If bok choy is genuinely feeling like too much work, you can sub in tomato plants. They have to be harvested a bit more often (every 2 days for most of their life cycle) but they don't have to be replanted as often.

[karmic scroll]

Seems doable! I have some grinding to do. Thank you for this. There’s lots to learn

[neat vortex]

If you find yourself dreading your garden or losing growth ticks to weeds or forgotten waterings, come back and we can get you set up with a layout that'll let you spend more time doing other things :)

[karmic scroll]

Perfect thank you. I’ll let you know how I get on in a few days irl

[neat vortex]

pompoms!

[torn crescent]

hi guys good day and happy new year may i ask what farm layout is good and what to do with it? (sell it to seeds or preserves) for like offline tending cuz i might be busy sooner which can produce good amount of revenue. don't worry i can grind for hunting and mining for extra money if i have the time. Thank You! (Gardening Lvl is currently 10 cuz it's been a while since I started)

[floral talon]

layoutsbeing good varies greatly on player needs
one question at a time is easier for me to answer

[torn crescent]

i want to start with what crops to grow for good revenue

[floral talon]

u need sublv25 layout probably unles ur always away from plot and forghet to weed then u need afk

[torn crescent]

afk is what i need hehe

[floral talon]

what crops do YOU need in it? whats ur opinion on fert

i do warn u now is ur best time to farm all the cotton ur needing since u still benefit from quality up buff

[torn crescent]

why what will happen to cottons??

[torn crescent]

i guess potato would be in it and i usually use some excess crops for harvest boost fertilizer

[floral talon]

u get only starred produce wiht higher lvs and cotton gives quality up is more star chance to crops next to it u also need so muhc for furniture

[torn crescent]

i recently have my first apple seed but not yet planted cuz i have planted potatoes for all 9 soil plots

[floral talon]

... ok ur going full irish mode ic

[torn crescent]

waiting for them to grow tho to make them preserves and I puted quality fertilizer coming from my glow worm farm

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp
afk strip only the corners need fertiliser to stay afk

[torn crescent]

ohh i see thank you so much!

[floral talon]

its one of the layouts i have used i got a wh ole library of em(and thats why i need poeple to be specific cuz i dont know which ones to toss over otherwise

[torn crescent]

thank you so much for the help hehe appreciate it!

[floral talon]

here is my meme layout which might be perfect for you

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Co.WCo.WCr.HpCb.WPBkCr.WR.WCo.Hp-R.HpCo.WCo.WCCbPCo.HpCr.WR.W-Cr.HpR.HpCo.WBkCCbCo.HpCo.HpCr.W-Co.WCr.HpR.HpPBkCR.WCo.HpCo.Hp-Co.WCo.WCr.HpCbPBkCr.WR.WCo.Hp-R.HpCo.WCo.WCCbPCo.HpCr.WR.W-Cr.HpR.HpCo.WBkCCbCo.HpCo.HpCr.W-Co.WCr.HpR.HpPBkCR.WCo.HpCo.Hp-Co.WCo.WCr.HpCbPBk.WCr.WR.WCo.Hp

All buff layout also known as most afk cotton
a stupid meme layout in practice but some poeple want it or it shows as an example of why not to want it
unles u really dont mind excessive fert usage

[torn crescent]

i'll give it a go

[drifting relic]

What’s the best crop for profit?

[ashen garden]

bok choy apparently but im still team cake

[mint sandal]

Epic fish parties (sushi, sashimi or poké) are 10 times better than cake parties for profit. If you can sign up for the rice role (or onion or tomato for the poké) it's absolutely worth it. I switched to a more rice oriented layout since I started attending those. They go so much faster than cake parties and you get litterally 10 times more money

[ashen garden]

still cant believe people make sushi unironically who has enough cloves smh

also wdym epic fish parties, as in dishes made with epic tier fish?

[mint sandal]

Lots of people apparently. Not me cause am a casual players but from what I understand people who do these parties often have a route to find dari and/or buy them with guild medals.
And yes, epic fish. Rare fish also turn out a great profit still far superior to cakes

[ashen garden]

i dont have time to go fishing for epic fish the bundles are already awful

[mint sandal]

That's why I said that if you can sign up for rice it's totally worth it cause you don't need fish then. Unless it's one of those parties where they do rotations and everyone has to bring a bit of everything. I don't do those cause I hate fishing and my luck is usually rotten. Rice though, I can grow a lot of that

[ashen garden]

cakes is easier for me i think, i can manage it better with my friend group than strangers, but thanks for the tip anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[torn crescent]

May I ask whats the raw average and whats the last harvest day

[mint sandal]

For?

[torn crescent]

In the gardening app

The planner rather

I mean to question what it means

[mint sandal]

I'm honestly not too sure, someone else probably could tell you exactly, but I think the last harvest day is the total profit you'll have made for the set amount of days you chose in the settings and the raw average is the last harvest amount broken down to what it's worth in 1 day. Idk how to word it, it's just the total last harvest amount divided by the amount of days to get a raw average of what you get daily, meaning depending on what crop is ready the actual profit you make daily won't always be the same but on average it comes out to that amount (the raw average). Does that make sense?

[mint sandal]

Makes sense. If it works for you that's great. It's a matter of finding the right people, I suppose. I got lucky on my 1st one and stumbled upon awesome people so now I go to their parties pretty much once a week

[ashen garden]

noice gg

[neat vortex]

As best as I understand it, the "raw average" shown on the garden planner is an unmodified average gold per growth tick ("Palian day") found by dividing the total revenue over the specified time period by the number of Palian days.

Edit: it also will take into account replanting costs (i.e., setting aside some crops to turn into seeds) if you have that setting toggled on.

The "last harvest" specifies on what day the garden planner harvest approximations tool stops running the crop cycle (if that makes sense)

[mint sandal]

That's so much clearer than what I wrote

[neat vortex]

If you look at the Day-by-Day tab and the ℹ️ button it may break it down a little better for you, if you're interested :)

As an aside, I recommend always setting the number of days to 180 (the least common multiple of all the seed grow times) so all the crops get a fair shake and don't get a harvest cut off

[rich musk]

While gardening/watering, if I press C, do I see what is needed or what fertilizer has been already added?

[ashen garden]

whats alr added

[karmic scroll]

I’ve noticed you can add more then 1 fertiliser on a plant, is it worth doing more then 1 or does it give the same amount?

[ashen garden]

no it just continues the next day

[neat vortex]

So, fertilizer generally needs to be on the plant for every growth tick that it's growing in order to get the full/guaranteed benefit. The benefit of stacking is that you don't have to race home to put 1 fertilizer on each plant each time, but instead can stack it up so it's good for a while.

[karmic scroll]

That’s very helpful. Thank you

[neat vortex]

Also, fertilizer stays in the soil until consumed, replaced with another type of fertilizer, or yoinked out by a multi-tile plant, so you don't lose any :)
*(unless it's to that one bug that happens if you stay online but out of the house for hours at a stretch; then sometimes harvest-ready plants will continue to consume fertilizer.)

But since using fertilizer gives you at least double the fertilizer's value back in bonuses, better to use it if you have unbuffed crops and have the fertilizer anyway.

[karmic scroll]

Thank you lovely

[tepid cipher]

how many onions would i be able to grow in 3hours? forgot i have a poke bowl party tonight and need like 40 starred onions

[mint sandal]

I just checked and 1 palia day is apparently 1 irl hour, and onions take 4 days to grow so that doesn't look promising, sorry

[floral talon]

0 cuz they take 4 growthtikcs

[neat vortex]

Are you main role or OP? If you're OP, you might be able to ask the host if you can bring unstarred. You would just need to make sure the main role onion chopper finished chopping before you do, so starred ones go in the bowl.

(You can buy unstarred onions - albeit expensively - from the farm stand cash register)

Or, someone might be willing to place them for you for the 40 rounds you're missing? it really depends on the group

oh I am SO late on that question, very sorry

[raven wyvern]

Star veggies/fruit - sell as is, turn into seeds, or turn into jam?

Edit: for max profit

[clear kindle]

always process crops to seeds or jars, only sell raw if you have an overabundance or need a quick cash grab

[floral talon]

bokchoi potato seeds
can u jar it jar it (if not seeds)
cotton self use as fabric
exception self use in cooking or something
also its possible to outproduce ur processing in which case do wahtever u want with it

[raven wyvern]

I keep one stack of 30 for cooking or quick jar-ing/seeds

[stable lodge]

Hello everyone! I hope y'all doing well. I'm new at this game (and I'm French, so please speak clearly lol), I was wondering, how do you install a garden plot next to your tent ? It's one of the first quests of the game but I just can't understand the controls, though it seems very trivial 😭 Thank you very much ! 😊🫶🏼

[floral talon]

Select in toolbar
Lclick with mouse go start placing click again to place

[stable lodge]

Thanks I'll try that ! I play on Nintendo Switch, but I'll attempt to download my save on laptop so as to place the garden 🙂

[floral talon]

U mean soil right?

[stable lodge]

Oh, yes that's it, soil !

[stable lodge]

I'll try that ! Thank you so much 🤗

[rigid pecan]

does fertilizers stack with plant buffs like if you have plant with harvest boost does harvest boost fertilizer buffs the crops?

[drifting violet]

Nope.

if a plant gets harvest boost from another crop, then the fertilizer never gets used.

[rigid pecan]

oh ok thanks

[loud wolf]

My apple tree that is circles always needs water but I don’t get why?

Nvm I made a planting mistake

[neat vortex]

Being able to troubleshoot your own garden is a great skill, nice work figuring it out!

[graceful meteor]

how do i get a tree seed?

[manic meteor]

Acorn, Juniper, Pinecone and Samara seeds drop randomly when chopping down medium and large sizes of those trees

[graceful meteor]

any axe upgrades needed?

[manic meteor]

Standard can chop medium, you will need the fine to chop the large