🌱│gardening

[sterile goblet]

True but I don't care I like to make arguments for fun

[neat vortex]

Let's argue about gardening layouts! :D IF you want them

[sterile goblet]

No thank you I told you I don't care about gardening 😤

[neat vortex]

okay, have fun with your hunting and foraging :D

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbPCoCrRCrCo.HpCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb.Hp
Lane maximum star quality for only 2 water retain fert can swap water retain with harvest boost aswell if u prefer other fert

well f to the u
you rgettting layouts wwether u want to or not

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

[sterile goblet]

Okay what's your favourite skill then?
Furniture crafting?!?!?!

[floral talon]

mine is gadening

[sterile goblet]

Of course it is 🥰

[neat vortex]

we are in the gardening channel XD

[sterile goblet]

I am in the enemy territory 💨

[neat vortex]

🤣

[floral talon]

hoyo hoyo loooolloll llloollol

[sterile goblet]

What's yours then

[neat vortex]

Too bad you don't like bug catching or you could make a "lesser of two weevils" joke

[floral talon]

ren is cooking

[sterile goblet]

Right...why does no one like hunting?!?!

[floral talon]

i think

[floral talon]

https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1160984678552043612

[sterile goblet]

I love how satisfying it is

[sterile goblet]

Why is it tied in with my arch enemy?

[floral talon]

im more into slaying then hunting scorched earth type

[neat vortex]

critters

[sterile goblet]

Noooo

[floral talon]

idk i think hunting and foraging and insect+fishing should be a combo then cooking wiht gardening and mining is just a different trype of foraging

[sterile goblet]

Oh i also hate fishing but I like einar

[floral talon]

but thats hte second best skill

[sterile goblet]

That's so true or we could just have individual ones

[sterile goblet]

Of course it is to you. But fishing an insects are like such a main part of the game it makes me sad 😔

[floral talon]

BLASHPHEMY!!!

[sterile goblet]

I gtg

[floral talon]

HERESY!!!

[sterile goblet]

Yup, you're definitely a fire type

@floral talon @neat vortex What's your ign

[floral talon]

... this may come as a surprise to youbut it is duhscape
ik its nothign like my discord

[sterile goblet]

That's crazy so different

[floral talon]

this may be a shock but rens ingame name is eliot reinald

[sterile goblet]

Woah.
are you two like always online?

[floral talon]

nah im eu time with insomnia i think ren is usa time with insomnia(but im not sure about him us houdl ask him)

[sterile goblet]

Oh lol I'm aus time

[floral talon]

we used to have an aussie without insomnia to be bale to answer questions 24/7 but alas she is to busy making millions of dollars per month

[neat vortex]

I live in Central Time but "exist on Aleutian Time" (not insomnia, fortunately, I sleep like a rock... just, sometime between 3AM and 3PM 🤣 )

[sterile goblet]

What why

Is she like a famous youtuber/tiktoker?

[floral talon]

i shall not handout to much private details i said enuff

[sterile goblet]

Oh sorry

[floral talon]

no problem

[sterile goblet]

I definitely have not just logged onto palia 🤫

[floral talon]

u want me to login to accept ur friendship request?

[sterile goblet]

It's fine ty though you can just accept any time

[hollow lynx]

Hi, I want to level up fast my gardening but I want to make some money while selling what I collect (I normally keep some for food and make seeds)

What layout do you guys suggest??

[clear kindle]

technically, any layout that works for you is a good layout, one layout may work for someone but because of your different wants/needs/play style it may not be the best for you. i'm level 110 gardening, i originally got there by planting nothing but rows of tomatoes and potatoes to keep each other watered, now i use a 100% water/weed/harvest boost layout that has 4 apples and only harvest the apples because i'm lazy like that and prefer to be off my plot for long periods of time

[neat vortex]

re: leveling/XP - #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

re: what to plant beyond that...
#🌱│gardening message and also this discussion to take your harvest intervals into account, if you spend a long time off-plot: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

The more I think about the seed collector recipe requirements change, the weirder a choice it seems to be. It also means that new players can't get started on building up star quality seeds for replanting until much, much later.

(I'm submitting feedback, lol, because this change confuses me greatly)

[keen basin]

Y'all what's your best earning setup (plot and preserve jars and maybe seeds..)?

[neat vortex]

Depends heavily on your gardening level, playstyle, playtime to idle time ratio, preferences around gardening activities, and what crops you need to grow for other uses. That said, I linked some things a couple messages up that may be useful to you :)

[keen basin]

You literally built me my current plot 😄 and after a long idle period I got 14k when I hopped on and sold stuff :3
But I found myself lacking berries completely (cause no Berry bush on the plot)
So rn I'm thinking about either cutting down the cotton a bit or creating 2 complementary layouts I could switch every few (?) Days

[neat vortex]

MY personal preference is not to vastly change my garden layouts very often, simply because of the amount of mental overhead involved with starting a layout completely from scratch. I'm more likely to swap out individual crops.

However, yeah, your bullseye layout is, uh.... not gonna accommodate any bushes at all.

I think

[keen basin]

I planted one bush cause I needed berries XD and it's a pain

[neat vortex]

I gueessss you could do this? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTOBkRCrOCoP-BkPTCoCoPTCBk-OBkPBBTBBO-TCoBkPWCBkPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPBkCWPBkCoT-OBBTBBPBkO-BkCTPCoCoTPBk-PCoOCrRBkOTP
(Note the 4 extra potatoes)

Could shove a pepper bush in the same spot(s) as well

[keen basin]

You literally adjusted my plot 🤩
More potatoes always welcome XD I'm running bok-choi-potaoto-apple rn and yass that's awesome

Thank you ❤❤

[neat vortex]

For your amusement, here's the MAX FERTILIZER (Bush)™️ Version https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HT.QO.QBk.QRCrO.HCoP-Bk.HP.HT.HCoCo.HPTCBk.Q-O.QBk.QP.HB.HB.HT.QB.HB.HO.H-T.HCoBkP.QW.HC.QBk.HP.QT.Q-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.QP.QBk.HC.QW.HP.QBkCoT.H-O.QB.HB.HT.QB.HB.HP.HBk.QO.Q-Bk.QCTPCo.HCoT.HP.HBk.H-PCoO.HCrRBk.QO.QT.QP.H

[keen basin]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/
I made something today morning and I'm not sure how useful it is o.o

[neat vortex]

Oop, to share the specific link, make sure you use the Save button

[keen basin]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRCoPAACoAA-PBkRACoTABkW-CoPBkBBRBBCo-RAABkCoBkPTW-ACTCCoCTCA-WTPBkCoBkAAR-CoBBRBBBkPCo-WBkATCoARBkP-AACoAAPCoRBk

[neat vortex]

Can you tell me more about what you are going for with this one?

[fading aspen]

@neat vortex since youre the one who helped me last time, i noticed something else. on the wiki the soil prices are way higher than what they cost me just now

500 was for the 9th plot, i think its 200 for the third (first one you buy) then +50 for each consecutive one

[neat vortex]

Oh, good info!

[keen basin]

Apples, potatoes and bok-choi... And a bit of everything.. And highest income I've ever managed to build

[neat vortex]

If you took out the apples and blueberries, it would fail the "bit of everything" but probably raise the income

I think I tend to focus on making a garden do more work on its own and less with my direct intervention, because every accidentally skipped growth tick is income lost.

And also, if I look at my garden and go "I'm too tired, it'll wait," it's not very me-proof, either XD

[keen basin]

Based on 2 apple trees really, so kinda that was the starting point and main goal to increase the apple number

[neat vortex]

nodnod

[keen basin]

But yeah the less working need to do in the garden the better... Cause I hop online only in the evening and when I do play I usually run around as much as possible and tend to skip a few days of possible replanting

[fading aspen]

any idea how you can fix misplacing something? or do you just ride it out

[drifting violet]

You can right-click (or use X on Switch I believe) to dig up the misplaced crop! You lose the seed though

[neat vortex]

Hoe out, aim at misplanted tile, hold down right click (X on Switch) until the plant is destroyed. You do NOT get the seed back, sadly.

(In case your aim is off, if you stop before it's all the way destroyed, plant will recover no problem)

[neat vortex]

tbh I consider this a perfect use case for an afk layout :)

[neat vortex]

Have you tried the 4 apples afk style layout yet? DuhScape and I each have a version, and his emphasizes hands-off time between harvests

It can accommodate cotton, but doesn't yield as much cotton/grains as the bullseye

[fading aspen]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPBkCRWBkCrT-CTPCrRWPBkC-BkCT.HCrRPTWBk-PWCTRBkCCrP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PCrCBkRTCWP-BkWTPRCrT.HCBk-CBkPWRCrPTC-TCrBkWRCBkPT.H
also randomly wanted to drop a layout thats 100 water/weed/harvest (needs harvest boost tho)

[keen basin]

I haven't tried it
I mostly use cotton to sell the started ones and hoard the fabric.. But as long as there's income and I have some spares of crops I'm good

[neat vortex]

You can also buy fabric (albeit expensively) in the future, but yeah, better to grow it and peppers now while you still benefit from the buff

[neat vortex]

Yay bullseye with apple substitution \o/

[fading aspen]

its very pleasing on the eye

[neat vortex]

That's what Miyuki's current layout is based on :D (Isn't it FUN to figure these things out??)

[fading aspen]

afk apples with some cotton but no harvest 🤔 https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPCBkCoBkCTP-AAAAAAAAA-CPTBkCoBkPTC-AAAAAAAAA-CBkTPCoPTBkC-AAAAAAAAA-CTPBkCoBkTPC-AAAAAAAAA-PTCBkCoBkCPT

[neat vortex]

should call it "The Apple of My Bullseye"

[fading aspen]

curious if i can figure out how to harvest/water/weed 4 apple trees

[neat vortex]

you caaaaan keep going :D

pompoms

[keen basin]

Not me saving everything XD

[neat vortex]

XD

Stryker is likely to come back with a layout with water/weed/quality on all 4 apples at this rate ✨

[keen basin]

I was wondering (I'm not challenging anyone 😅) if there an be a good line plot (3x3 put in a line or a double line variant)

[fading aspen]

you mean if you put your plots next to eachother instead of a square?

[neat vortex]

I use one of these, actually

I Cannot with the Garden Cube lol

[keen basin]

Either n3xt to each other in a single line or something like this

I'm just curious if it's even possible to make it efficient to some degree

[neat vortex]

Oh that second one is too many corners, hard to manage, I feel

This is mine (really a line but L-shaped for aesthetics/to fit on my plot) #🌱│gardening message

I've seen something like the first one, but not staggered

Corners are tough because they can only have a max of two buffs from neighbors (plus one from fertilizer)

Edges can only have 3 from neighbors

[keen basin]

That's exactly the reason why I'm asking XD a huge square ain't too pretty

[neat vortex]

I agree, plus ngl I get LOST 😭

But you will always sacrifice some (numerical) efficiency and possibilities with non-squares. Whether that's worth the trade-off to gain joy and (in my case) practical accessibility is up to the individual

As always: if it's working well for you, then it's a good layout!

Unfortunately, I don't think the garden planner can simulate those layouts without some shenanigans... but, let's see

[keen basin]

I don't see a way to make the one-row-moved version

[fading aspen]

closest you get is a row of 3 plots, and you just kinda copy paste it thrice in game

[neat vortex]

You'd need to do an "illegal" layout (extra plots) and ignore some of the outer tiles

[fading aspen]

also @neat vortex is there a layout that can 100% water/weed a 4 apple layout where the apples have natural harvest boost too?

[keen basin]

I had the idea but couldn't wrap my jumpy brain around it..

[neat vortex]

Yes, there is! would you like links or just a hint?

[fading aspen]

just knowing there is makes me feel excited to find it

first attempt but i dont seem to get there, gotta try something eles

[neat vortex]

Oh you've NEARLY got it!

[fading aspen]

boom

started in the center this time

[neat vortex]

Nice work! And you can even bump up the natural harvest boost elsewhere, too

[fading aspen]

ah i see, redundant corners -> more harvest

[neat vortex]

I like did a "YAAAY" kermit flail at the boom XD

[fading aspen]

time to optimize for value

actually, not much to change

[neat vortex]

Yeah, you're in pretty good shape there

at least as far as the garden planner's assumptions are concerned

[fading aspen]

before the harvest boost i saw more potato than bok choy but now its the same amount lol

my farming operation going splendidly, finally got my 9 soils, my tomatoes just popped so in a day or two the last of my crops are harvestable, then i upgrade to 3x3 😈 starred seeds are coming along

i literally have a seed collector for every crop im planting... this is quite the sight

[neat vortex]

lol yeah that's about how it goes

[fading aspen]

do i count 11?

[neat vortex]

and currently those two sneaky fellas skulking in place of my usual materials processors lol

[fading aspen]

holy shi i just realized i now have the money for more storage space 🙏

[neat vortex]

\o/!!

[neat vortex]

11 plus the two extras is 13, yes XD
4 for potatoes
6 for bok choy
2 for other-crop replanting seeds, plus excess rice/wheat after
and also 1 catch-up bok choy because I foolishly thought I could cut the 6 down to 4 and ended up with a backlog 😤

...I log waaay too much playtime

[neat vortex]

With this new information, the change to the seed maker makes a little more sense, because the only gate on soil plots is gold, and that gate is now much, MUCH lower. More soil plots = much faster gardening leveling (since XP is per tile per growth tick regardless of crop) and faster access to full-efficiency 9x9 layouts. With that in mind, I'm less bothered by the seed collector change, because being able to grow more crops at once would make it less crucial to squeeze everylastbit of gold out of every crop unit you produce in early game. Less time waiting for processing = more time playing. So, okay.

That said, it may be time for some recalculating of early game replanting costs given needing to buy seeds to replant (and access to no or very few starred seeds) until level 5 when you get the seed maker.

@frail escarp Sorry to bug ya, but I'd be curious about any thoughts you might have on whether/how this change could affect the garden planner's calculations. (You also know more than I do about the underlying data on how often harvested plants return seeds, how often those seeds are starred, etc.)

[fading aspen]

are potatoes and bok choy the best roi in terms of time processing them into seeds?

[neat vortex]

Erm, can you expand on that please?

[neat vortex]

Top one would have to be done like this: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-N.WNNN.WNNN.WNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NN.WN.WNN.WN.WNN.WN.W
(fertilizer marks unused tiles)

[fading aspen]

youre mostly using your seed makers to process potatoes and bok choy, is that because those give you more money per time spent? Or because you just mostly plant those?

[neat vortex]

You will probably be interested in this post by u/HollowofHaze :) https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

The added value per minute are very similar for seeds and preserves for both, but seeds produce more value per crop. Because crafters continue processing even when you are offline, I tend to lean toward maximizing uptime (to reduce idle time) instead of focusing on raw value added per hour. If I set a crafter processing and 8 hours later when I come back it's been sitting idle for 6 hours, the value added per hour becomes meaningless.

Anyway, it's...
Bok choy⭐:

• seeds: +35.8 g/crafter hour, +43g/crop. Max unattended run time (16 crops @ 72 min per crop): 19.2 hours
• preserves: +36.7 g/crafter hour, +22g/crop. Max unattended run time (31 crops @ 36 min per crop): 18.6 hours

Potatoes⭐:

• seeds: 37.9g/crafter hour, +53g/crop. Max unattended run time (16 crops @ 84 min per crop): 22.4 hours
• preserves: 38.9g/crafter hour, +35g/crop. Max unattended run time (31 crops @ 54 min per crop): 27.9 hours

ARGUABLY, if I were producing enough stuff to keep additional, other crafters busy for long periods at 36g/hr or better, then bok choy kimchi would be more optimal instead of having seed makers squatting on all those crafter slots. But I don't, because I spend a lot of time either zoned out and watching my garden grow, or else at cooking parties, which doesn't really produce anything that will gain more than ~20g/hr in a crafter.

The only possible exception might be when I go to flow tree chops and come home with 18-30 stacks of flow logs... but while a sawmill working on flow wood adds +46.2g/hr in value, it also has a max unattended runtime of 4 hours and 20 minutes. Draw that out over 9 hours unattended (sleep), and it drops to half that number. Worth doing when I can babysit it, sure, but not consistent enough to pull up my seed makers and keep sawmills down all the time, you know?

The only other gap-filler I have is glow worm farms, which can get up to +29g/hr when processing certain meats and forageables, and ~+23-24g/hr when processing buyable items. So... hence. Seed makers. XD

DuhScape DOES have a point, arguably, about tomatoes and their unattended runtime (and delayed-harvest) problem. Same with carrots. A preserves jar will ZIP through a hopper of 31 carrots or tomatoes in just under 14 hours.

But, I guess that's enough time for most people to go to work and get back home.

Uhhhh... did that answer your question? 😅

[fading aspen]

yea, the reddit post is also helpful

the post also makes me think, is it better to get starred cotton seeds or normal cotton seeds for planting? since normal cotton makes fabric, while starred cotton should be sold as is

or at least not be turned into cotton

[neat vortex]

Starred cotton is best sold as seeds, yeah

Personally, it depends on how your fabric stocks and your need for it are

[fading aspen]

not sure where ill need fabric but id rather have it than not

but i own a great total of 14 fabric

[neat vortex]

I don't bother quality boosting cotton unless planting it purely for profit, but I did the math and it is still cheaper (in gold; not effort) to plant cotton, even using starred seeds, for fabric than it is to buy it (post level 25)

However... in most layouts, it's going to sub in for something you actually needed, so the, like... mental effort cost? too high for me. XD

having to worry about throwing HB fert everywhere to make up for the gaps...nahhhh 😂

[fading aspen]

yea once you get guaranteed starred crops it feels like cotton is "wasted" space

[neat vortex]

Very

The buff is not helpful, so it carries an opportunity cost a la "but this could be rice... or corn.... 🙁 ")

and also your options for making money with it are limited, since even UNSTARRED cotton loses value as fabric last I checked

(they changed the recipe after the thread I linked was published - it's 2 cotton per fabric now....)

[fading aspen]

oh really? damn

yea imma just buy the fabric i need.....

[neat vortex]

Meanwhile, rice you can tote over to a rare fish sashimi party and come home with, um...
...1177% improvement over making seeds to sell from your starred rice

in about 20 minutes

[fading aspen]

a rare what now????

[neat vortex]

A sashimi party where they are using e.g., starred cloudfish as the "any fish"

Cooking parties are WILD

[glossy plank]

is there a way to expand the max limit of soil patches?

[neat vortex]

Alas, nope. 9 is all we get!

[glossy plank]

9 per plot?

[neat vortex]

Per character, period

You can buy 9, and which plots you put them on is up to you, but you can't buy more than that.

[glossy plank]

thank u

[neat vortex]

Gardening is VERY tightly balanced since it's an extremely powerful source of passive income

[glossy plank]

that's why i've been asking if there's a way to get more. i'm currently on a tomato seed & jams spree, plant make seeds & jam repeat

[neat vortex]

Tomatoes are alright! But there's probably ways to squeeze more money out of the plots you've got with less active work, if you'd be interested in that :)

[glossy plank]

i would love to know please

[neat vortex]

Okay, cool! Are you familiar with the companion planting buff system?

[glossy plank]

no. never heard of it. only cooking/hunting/catching bugs/mining/gathering bring out buffs when done with friends

[neat vortex]

Alrighty, very cool, you are about to learn a whole new thing, if you want to! Keep in mind this is all 100% optional and at any time if you're like "nah lemme stick with my tomatoes" that is a completely valid option.

Buuuuut basically, with companion planting, what that means is that each crop has an ability that buffs its neighbors, as long as its neighbors aren't the exact same crop. Tomatoes, you may have read on the seed packet tooltip, helps its neighbors stay watered... AS LONG AS those neighbors are anything other than tomatoes. That's why it's "companion" planting: you combine plantings to make all the crops stronger. Crops want "a buddy, not a twin."

The "buddies" for tomatoes - the other crops that give water retain - are potatoes and napa cabbage.

Water retain means that when the 6AM growth tick comes around, if a crop has the water retain buff on it, it doesn't need to be watered to keep growing.

So, right now, you've got your field of 81 tomatoes... and in order to keep it going, you have to come back to the house and water it once in every Palian day, right?

[glossy plank]

yes

[neat vortex]

So, what if you get some potatoes in there... if you arrange them right, then you've got potatoes and tomatoes that basically (once the seeds are planted and watered in once) keep each other watered until they're done growing. Then, you only have weeds to contend with.

As long as every tomato has a potato touching it and vice versa, that is

[glossy plank]

so if i understand correctly, for example a row of tomatoes, then row of potatoes, & so on, may help in keeping the tomatoes watered without the need to check it out multiple times.

[neat vortex]

Yes!

You could also do tomatoes - potatoes - tomatoes; tomatoes -potatoes - tomatoes (etc.) — just as one very simple example

[glossy plank]

I understand now thank u for explaining this to me💖 , but how does this contribute in getting more money out of the crops? since i noticed farming brings out lots of money, & it's more consistent than other forms.

[neat vortex]

For one, potatoes are also very profitable. But, further than that, there are also three other buffs: weed prevention (weedblock, which obviously stops weeds from growing on crops with the buff), harvest boost (+50% yield, so a 2-crop harvest becomes 3-crop), and quality boost (qualityup, increases your chance of star quality produce — but is not very useful after level 25)

Harvest boost (and quality up, if below level 25) both increase the amount of gold you are getting per harvest, especially since star quality crops are worth 50% more than unstarred ones.

And weedblock is nice (lets you be out running around hunting, mining, etc. for longer), but beyond that, bok choy — a weedblock crop — is silly profitable AND it about doubles in value when sold as seeds.

[glossy plank]

ohhh

thank u for tip

[neat vortex]

If you like numbers and spreadsheets, check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

[neat vortex]

Forgot to mention: the harvest boost crops are all the grains (wheat, rice, corn), and you get qualityup from cotton and spicy peppers

There are many many many layouts posted in this channel that other people have made, all aimed at solving different problems/meeting different needs. Layouts that are 100% water retain, 100% weedblock, and usually some percentage of harvest boost are nicknamed "AFK" layouts, so you could go digging around in the chat history. They are all made using this tool: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

If you want, you can also read through Arenvanya's guide (linked at the top of the page there and also in the pins) for a more thorough overview of how everything works.

But, you've already got a solid grasp of the basic idea, and from here I'd feel comfortable saying that you can just start playing around in the garden planner to see what you can come up with :)

[fading aspen]

its time... 😈

[neat vortex]

Make sure you check out the settings! For fair comparison between different layouts, make sure the settings are the same, and I recommend setting the Days to 180 (since otherwise you end up with some crops not getting their full number of harvests)

I made some assumptions about processing and gardening level and so on...

[glossy plank]

this layout maker is awesome

thank you so much

[neat vortex]

Just because I was curious about the numbers, have a series of comparisons:
(assumes starting with all normal-quality seeds. After making seeds for replanting, you jar things you can jar to sell, seed the rest to sell. Note the level 8 gardening — so, big benefit from QualityUp.)

[neat vortex]

Isn't it cool? .aisen has done such wonderful work :D

[glossy plank]

thank you so much for your awesome work in this layout maker @frail escarp

[glossy plank]

the days here, are they 180 real days or 180 palia days? xD

[neat vortex]

Fair question! It's Palia days (technically growth ticks, since your garden progresses one growth tick when you are offline, then stops).

Aaaand of course all that assumes that you're not harvesting your stuff faster than you can process it (including non-growing time when you are offline but your crafters keep going)

[glossy plank]

@shell summit @serene sapphire check guys from here.

[neat vortex]

LOL we love a referral

[glossy plank]

these are my friends who i play palia with, we're kinda new to the game & we've been unfolding so many info here xD

[neat vortex]

:D Welcome!

if nothing else, Palia definitely rewards curiosity

But, at the same time, none of it is mandatory in the slightest XD

[glossy plank]

exactly you still have the freedom to do what u want & still enjoy it xD

[shell summit]

Tyyy

[neat vortex]

Yeah! \o/

I once saw a plot on a tour that was titled "I JUST LOVE HUNTING ❤️ " and was like.... a tent, a plot with the fence still up and all of the trees and rocks still unchopped (those don't grow back btw, leave them be if you want to keep 'em), and just... just ROWS of hunting plushes. 🤣

like, yeah, buddy, follow your bliss!!

[glossy plank]

i'm making fences of trees literally xD

still in complete but in the making

[neat vortex]

ooOOooh

I... mostly kept mine 😅 got indecisive and couldn't choose so just kept 'em all

(though that thicket on the east side is my Ominous Grove)

[glossy plank]

wowww the orange trees really look beautiful, i wanna finish the bundles so that i can make flow tree fences xD

beautiful layout u have here

[neat vortex]

Thanks, it makes me happy :)

[glossy plank]

this game brings out the calmness & peace we want from life really

[frail escarp]

Heya! Immediate thoughts are to implement a setting to allow replant costs to be calculated from store purchases instead of deducting from harvests. Maybe except for those bought with medals cause I think that'd be hard to recommend
Settings would then be tweaked so that those who keep their levels under 5 would have this + normal seeds as the default

The planner lets people do some improbable stuff already (like guild seeds at super-low levels and layouts with more than 9 plots). One reason's for future-proofing but it's mostly due to trust that players know what they're doing. Players new to gardening, though, likely wouldn't know about these limitations, so it'd be worth making this change for them

[neat vortex]

re: guild seeds at super-low levels, would you believe that a Lucky Box handed me an apple seed in my first week or so of playing? 😂 I had access to apples so very early, and no guts to actually try planting them until I knew what I was doing

[frail escarp]

One of the lucky ones for sure I remember trying to grind my levels for my first apples

[fading aspen]

what do you want instant apples for though? moneywise theyre only slightly better if you have all starred crops

got the gardening role 😎

[neat vortex]

Mostly because there is a quest that requires a dish that uses fruit (though can also use blueberries) and also because they are pretty low-effort if you can weed/water them. Additionally, it gives you another role you can fill at cake parties (fruit froster).

I wasn't in any particular hurry, though. I actually didn't buy more than, mm... 4? 6? soil plots until I was almost done with needing cotton.

mainly because all the layouts I kept seeing were ONLY Garden Cubes, and every time I looked at a 9x9 in the virtual flesh I wanted to run XD

"get me OUTTA here" type feeling

a solid Do Not Want out of 10 😂

[fading aspen]

i seee

i have that quest right now actually lol

[neat vortex]

Easy enough to manage by cooking with someone else who does have fruit, though :)

[fading aspen]

solo player here o7

[floral talon]

It helps to think of all other players as npcs with open dialogue options

[neat vortex]

This explains... SO much.

(ribbing you)

[fading aspen]

unfortunately the chat has been askewed for me today (my bad)

ive had this the entire day lol even after resets

[neat vortex]

Oh dear

[ashen garden]

is this the best layout for cakes (making only starred apple cakes) or have i missed something guys

just came up with this - probably the middle square can be improved but i got lazy

[rare rivet]

Just so you're aware, your previous messages were autobonked because the [text](link) is disabled for safety reasons.

[ashen garden]

yeah i figured, no worries - should i just post the naked link no markdown then?

[rare rivet]

Yup. And, for links that have a big embedded image that takes too much of the screen, you can put the link in between these < >, so that it stops the embed

[ashen garden]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrTPTBBPBB-AAAAAAAAA-PTCrBBTBBP-AAAAAAAAA-PTPTPTPTP-AAAAAAAAA-PBBTBBCrTP-AAAAAAAAA-BBPBBTPTCr does this work maybe

[ashen garden]

wait i HAVE missed something lmao i sent both wrong image and link https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PBBTBBPTR-AAAAAAAAA-BBRBBTPTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTPTBBRBB-AAAAAAAAA-RTPBBTBBP-AAAAAAAAA

[neat vortex]

Are you planning to harvest and replant the tomato/potato/rice, or just the fruit?

[ashen garden]

replant everything. this is not an afk layout i will be back every game day to weed and harvest. i just defaulted to rice from memory, is there a better plant now? is the cabbage better than tomato/potato, i was never able to figure it out

[neat vortex]

So, if you are coming back every day anyway to pluck weeds and harvest, then you're in good shape with those two. If you wanted to have more time to spend away from your garden, you'd need to sort out weedblock for at least the fruit (for one), and in that event you could start thinking about making your harvest days line up neatly.

Rice is fine, but you could just as easily substitute either of the other grains (wheat or corn) to keep them on hand for miscellaneous purposes.

[ashen garden]

yeah might do one of each, and then double rice since i make dumplings often. is there any way to improve this layout? i could probably buy weedblock to give me a 1 day grace period but honestly was planning to just run laps of bahari for sweet leaf (theres a theme going here) for 50m per hour then teleport back to harvest, do some inventory sorting, and straight back to bahari

[ashen garden]

im trying to think of how this could be better and short of mucking about with custom layouts i really cant, garden senseis please mark my homework

[neat vortex]

I have a strong bias toward AFK layouts, and I struggle to imagine attending/hosting enough cake parties to go through that many apples and blueberries (though I guess it might not be that many depending on your playtime in a given week), but it seems like a perfectly good layout if you don't mind weeding! I assume you're level 25+ in gardening?

[ashen garden]

59 - but the cake parties arent proper ones, its more of me carrying a bunch of new players (my friends started recently) - so im providing 4 fruit per recipe (3 jam + starter) and most of the sweet leaf, although they're following me on bahari cycles where we get 5-10 per in-game hour lol

[neat vortex]

Oh wow

Uh... do any of y'all enjoy fishing? by any chance? 😅

[ashen garden]

yeah ive perfected the most efficient route for sweet leaf farming, one lap of bahari with my route takes ~2 IGH so you can do 10-11 and then go back to farm lol

[ashen garden]

i dont mind it but i kinda have to, grinding bundles atm lol

[neat vortex]

If you could share your route over in #🍳│cooking-foraging I would be very appreciative!

[neat vortex]

Since you're carrying most of the cost burden of the cakes anyway, you might want to consider rare/epic fish parties.

It might be faster/less work with a better star rate, and if you're grinding bundles anyway, could be a good use for all the extra rare (or even uncommon) fish you catch

Or at least something to add a little variety, if that interests you

[ashen garden]

hard to explain but basically start at central stables, head northwest to outskirts, then east-north-east all the way along until the cliffs near coral shores, dip down to there, fast travel back to stables, repeat. we stop only for cloves, heat root, and palium/flow randomly spotted - when in doubt, seek higher ground

[ashen garden]

im going to host some of those later on, definitely doing bug parties cuz i have some lures saved from way back when

[neat vortex]

In case you might be interested, this is a spreadsheet comparing different cooking party options, including fish, and you can select which fish you are using on the unstarred any fish tab.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CqV_SHjfqaYcGcfqg4aVp21tYZACUDNMHYkTo9Wyu-8/edit?gid=1629226071#gid=1629226071
For an example, here's 30 rounds of fish stew made with unstarred blue spotted rays and heat root (can also use spice sprouts for slightly less overall revenue) and the non-fish-providers only have to chop garlic (and one person can do the last stir for free if you want)

[ashen garden]

to give some idea - after 2h (irl) of this looping, i got around 80+ sweet leaf, plus 14 starred

[ashen garden]

if you send me a friend request i might show you in person sometime, its quite hard to explain in text but it really is mathematically the most efficient route

[neat vortex]

That's awesome, thank you. I'd hoped you would put it in the foraging channel, but I'll take what I can get :)

[ashen garden]

too many channels for me to keep straight lol... and besides i disapprove of merging cooking and foraging on principle

[fading aspen]

is there a scale of best crops to preserve?

like, i currently have to choose between carrots or tomatoes

[floral talon]

tomatoes when online carrots overnight cuz tomaotes can only do like 5 hours or so before need to refill

[neat vortex]

That doesn't sound quite right 🤔

[fading aspen]

dont they have the same timer

[neat vortex]

Yeah, and they'll both run for a full hopper (31 crops), which lasts 14 hours, but they have the same value and the same timer

[fading aspen]

gotcha

[neat vortex]

With seeds it's different, but there's no reason to make more tomato or carrot seeds than you need to replant if you have preserves jars afaik

Hang on lemme get you the comparison lol

[floral talon]

tomatoes are 3 to one jar or osmething while the rest is 1 on 1

but i make statements withoutchecking facts cuz effort

[neat vortex]

You might be thinking of tomato seeds

[neat vortex]

"why am I a fire type?" this one asks 😂

[floral talon]

wut they changed it

[neat vortex]

It's been that way for as long as I've been playing... you were probably thinking of tomato seeds, which are 3 tomatoes -> 2 seeds, and with a short timer

[fading aspen]

^ thems the seeds ye

[floral talon]

explains confusion

[neat vortex]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fkc0dp2quf0hc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D6651%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D53781b753ad1aaa9c21ec4283168fc7bc5a1223b
Maybe this is helpful?
There is also PaliaTracker.com which has a gold profit comparisons tool (but doesn't include processing times... yet. I've asked, and it's in the queue <_<)

I'm also gradually working on some other math about maximum runtime etc, but it's very tedious, so I keep putting it off. What I have so far is here, on the crafter comparisons tab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qPbCKTJg8xYlR1Pw60ZkaXAERRkXaMC0r3UZZKLWQ_g/edit?gid=1851304930#gid=1851304930

[fading aspen]

not sure how the reddit post helps with priority

[neat vortex]

Maybe I misunderstood what you were asking for, but I was thinking the calculated value added per minute could be helpful

[floral talon]

just get more jarmakers? temp replace all other crafters if ur not using em
get more licenses

[neat vortex]

In terms of what order to queue things, I generally do what DuhScape said, which is to push through things that won't run well overnight (will process faster, so will need more looking after) — but if you've got a full hopper of anything, you've got time.

[fading aspen]

thanks, that spreadsheet looks like heaven for a data nerd like me

[fading aspen]

yea just building up the funds (and fabric...) to make more

[fading aspen]

right now my hoppers are full enough for overnight

[floral talon]

ONE OF US ONE OF US!!!

[fading aspen]

well, i'd like to make another preserves jar in about 10 mins, then i can also preserve carrots

[floral talon]

no sleep for u u gotto stay and wait for that crafter to make u enuff fabric

[neat vortex]

Or buy the fabric lol

(at 190g each....)

[floral talon]

BLASPHEMY!!! HERECY!!!

[fading aspen]

idk if any of you know about this discord bot called mudae where you basically collect characters from series, but lets just say i made a very extensive calculator for odds and every different kind of boost that took me a while and is super accurate (even though official rates are not known since the code is private) so yea, data nerd

[fading aspen]

i have 10 minutes... 😊

[neat vortex]

Didn't say it was a good option, lmao, but an option it is nonetheless... XD

[floral talon]

im glad i dont know it but seemed like u were having a blast

[neat vortex]

I seem to remember you going "I don't have time for this nonsense" and buying the fabric/leather for your glider... was that you or someone else?

[floral talon]

EVIL!!!

[floral talon]

ME 😮 of course not i just wwent on for a whole week just not doing the quest till i figured out how to make my own fabric

[fading aspen]

this spreadsheet is also how i now figure out that i can clear my chests by making makeshift arrows for profit

[neat vortex]

I'm level mumblety and I still do this lmao, it's just... so satisfying?

[floral talon]

u can though alot of flint is eventually used for some furniture and so much more for other things mostly furniture but its a good start to get coins

[fading aspen]

that was unironically me though.... "how do i make fabric... OH MY DRAGON ITS A FURNITURE LEVEL UP???" then spammed recipes...

[floral talon]

OH MY DRAGON!!! he says OH MY DRAGON 🐲

[fading aspen]

swearing isnt allowed so im replacing the abundance of bad words with dragon now

im starting a movement, noone has done this before me, dont try to prove me wrong because your proof is doctored

[floral talon]

lol ur jsut like tish lmao

[fading aspen]

well just like tish ive just crafted more stuff 😎 preserve jar here i come

🧍‍♂️ i need another crafter slot

[neat vortex]

ngl most of what's stopping me on this sheet is the dang DATA ENTRY because my brain shuts off trying to dig all the numbers out of the game/wiki/gold profit tool

[floral talon]

wow im just trying to get the heuristics for optimal strats without tryharding

[neat vortex]

I also need to fix the Value Added to take into account the input count (to give it as a per-crop number)

wehhhhh but it would be so useful if i had it done

alas, the whim takes me not

[fading aspen]

hehehehe expansion

[floral talon]

the factory must grow

[fading aspen]

alright i'll wait till 2:15 to replant then i'll sleep 😤

[floral talon]

u also insomnia?

[fading aspen]

uhhhhhhhhh i have a very fluid sleep schedule lets say it like that :))))

[ashen garden]

"fluid" because it goes down the drain

[wind frost]

That's so cool!! Thank you so much for sharing!!

[neat vortex]

Thanks, wish I actually had a completed one to share XD

[wind frost]

To be honest, I've never seen any spreadsheets that detailed for Palia!! Huuuge help for me, as I'm always low on money and it's been hard to make profit. Thanks a lot for doing all this!

And also, I've been using starred cotton for fabric, when I was low on unstarred... 😅 Oops.

[neat vortex]

tbh using starred cotton you grew yourself is cheaper than buying fabric — so, between the two choices, use the starred cotton XD eventually you'd stop getting any unstarred cotton even with unstarred seeds and you'll need to make the choice anyway

fabric is always a money loss no matter which way you slice it, but furniture (and any cosmetic item generally) is a materials and/or gold sink, so!

or, rather, I should say that it's a cost (a trade between the-money-you-could-have-had and the-actual-object-you-want)

[wind frost]

Ahhh! That's the hard one! 🫣😆
Yeah, furniture is a big dip for me, but I've been trying to make a traditional Nordic house, luckily I don't need Dragontide or Moonstruck collection 🤣

[neat vortex]

lol yupyupyup, either (a) grow that cotton OR (b) grow that other-stuff and get you to some cooking parties with it lol

[slate kelp]

Hi, finded a good layout

[wind frost]

It's quite a big patch of land going only towards farming 🤔 I've been always curious of how to recreate some ideas like Forest garden, discreet but still efficient

[fading aspen]

the smallest a single farm plot can be is 3x3 slots so if you wanted to recreate this and keep efficiency up, you might benefit most from recreating something like alleycropping

and just have a long strip (or a few longer strips) of cropland

[fading aspen]

with trees on the sides

use flowers that are bushy between the trees and cropland to create that typical alleycropping look and you should be good i think

[neat vortex]

I was trying to more or less follow the diagram while still keeping everything buffed, and here's what I managed (in very slapdash fashion, because I really should be going to bed xD ): https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-01010-11111-01010_CROPS-CTRBkPBkRTO-PCPCbBkCbWBB-TPRCOBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-SpSpPSpSpOCCbP-CbBBBkPCbCBB-CCbWOPOWCbBk-OTRBkPBkRTC-CbBBPOPWCCb

Then you could place other, decorative items in the gaps

[neat vortex]

(crops were chosen for aesthetic/"do they fit the layer" reasons - albeit somewhat inconsistently - not for profit or practical uses or anything)

[fading aspen]

i wanted to see if i could get theblueberries with harvest boost and got this

there is some crop optimization for value here

[neat vortex]

RIP the pepper bush XD

The sucker was giving me problems

[fading aspen]

yea its very annoying in this layout lol

[floral talon]

U dont need peppers anyways i only ever planted 4 of em and wil never need more …

[neat vortex]

whoosh

anyway, if you want to maintain the notion of diversity or what-have-you (or for pragmatic reasons like "need peppers to cook with" XDD) can always sub in a pepper bush for one of the blueberries shrug

[floral talon]

and if u wanna learn how to stop needing peppers im ur go to

[neat vortex]

Is the answer "just eat cake✨" 😏

[floral talon]

one of hte answers HEHE MUHAHAHAHA

[neat vortex]

I wonder to what extent you could glitch your garden plots in such a way as to mimic, er... what's that one gardening technique where you plant crops on long mounds...

(I want to say it's got a German name, but don't quote me on that)

especially now that red presents are widely available 👀

[floral talon]

i have not yet started glitch garden projects though
but one day i check if its possible to have 8 afk harvy boosted apples

to muhc decor tricks which aint my thing

[neat vortex]

Not really mine, either, but fun to think about the possibilities if you're already interested in different traditional/alternative agriculture methods :) (IRL ones, I mean)

[fading aspen]

got myself a free blueberry seed so switching up the layout to this

[neat vortex]

Oh yeah, Stryker, did you ever puzzle out that 5-apple afk harvest boost layout?

(please do not reply with the layout - Stryker wanted to figure it out without being given the answer \o/)

[fading aspen]

thought i posted somethin here

[fading aspen]

this no?

[neat vortex]

oh, derp, you sure did

[fading aspen]

oh wait 5apples... thats not possible is it

[neat vortex]

No, unfortunately

well... not with that type of layout. You can do it if you only want the apples boosted and don't care if other stuff isn't weeded/watered

I think you can get up to 6 apple trees in that case

but given my 100% weed/water bias, I admittedly could not reproduce one of those myself without looking it up XD

[floral talon]

4 max possible without fert 6with 8with glitch maybe

[neat vortex]

I had someone show me a layout using the "weeds on purpose" glitch that was, like... 18 tomatoes (9 held weeds, 9 were harvested very slowly - or maybe it was tomatoes and potatoes? idk), and the rest was apples, but I don't remember exactly anymore. (The only problem with that one was that it had to be interacted with at... some interval? — it was either every Palian day or every time before you logged out — or else your crops would start growing backwards...)

He had it completely enclosed in fencing and blocks to keep visitors from "helpfully" plucking his weeds 😂

Too much risk for me... I get accidentally afk'd out too often

[wind frost]

Thanks a lot for your advice, I'll try this out. I don't have that many bushy plants yet, and I'm a bit struggling with shrubs layer, I have tons of trees, flowers, and less shrubs.

[floral talon]

weeds on purpose dont work sadly

[neat vortex]

Do you want crop-shrubs or flower-shrubs?

[neat vortex]

Oh, was it patched?

[floral talon]

no its so thoroughly bugged u glitch ur garden

[wind frost]

Flower shrubs, I think. Crops are good and I have both blueberry and peppers, but they require soil and it looks patchy.

[wind frost]

Wow!! Thank you soo much!! I'll try this out!

[neat vortex]

Hmm, I think the only bushy flowers are (so far) gardenias and the two varieties of hydrangea 🤔

[wind frost]

❤️❤️❤️ awww, thank you so much! That's exactly what I've been looking for

[neat vortex]

I'm sure you could tweak it further for better accuracy :)

[wind frost]

I don't have hydrangea yet, I'll probably wait for my whole plot to get covered with default bushes, I hope they will spawn at some point 😄 Smaller trees, if you don't water them, can probably give this lower layer feeling as well.

I love how our different interests are pushing this game to it's limits 😆

[neat vortex]

Unfortunately, default bushes are gone forever once you chop them :( Resources on your home plot never respawn.

Applies to your default rocks and trees, too.

[wind frost]

Oh no!!! Thanks for letting me know. I'm trying to save a few default rocks that I have left.

[neat vortex]

There IS a way to glitch smaller trees into the ground to make them look quite like bushes.

[floral talon]

that is decor talk

[wind frost]

Great idea!
I need to learn how to glitch things properly.

[wind frost]

Sorry 😆
You all are very helpful in this thread, and having lots of great ideas, I just can't stop

[floral talon]

just pointing it out keep chatting about whatever here but if u need help with decorating go to decor channel they know os much

[wind frost]

I've tried but it was in vain 🫠

[floral talon]

dang poeple there are useless then

[wind frost]

So I decided that landscaping and forest gardens are still gardening 😁

[wind frost]

Just too many great houses and other projects that people are more involved in chatting

[neat vortex]

I DM'd you with some resources!

[fading aspen]

maybe stop watering smaller trees

create a lower layer that way?

oh not sure how well this could work since im in no way experienced but can you place plants on tables? if so maybe put down a camouflaged table somewhere and have it surrounded by green

[neat vortex]

You can place flowers on blocks and landscape terraces, and indoors on the floor (so, anything with the "floor" tag), but not on tables per se

[wind frost]

That's actually a great idea, I've never thought of doing something like this, mostly because I couldn't put plants on tables, but if I learn glitching... 🤔

[wind frost]

Oh, on blocks? I'll try, I have some spares to try it out

[neat vortex]

The garden soil plots can only go on the ground (not, afaik, on terraces) unless you do some glitchiness with red presents afaik (never tried it myself, but my glitching enthusiast friend was talking about it)

[fading aspen]

@neat vortex is ren your ign?

[neat vortex]

It's Eliot Reinald XD

Ren is my "I go by this everywhere" nickname

[fading aspen]

got it :p i have it easy, same name everywhere i go

[wind frost]

I'll add you in Palia if you don't mind 😉

[neat vortex]

I don't mind!

[fading aspen]

i just realized i could just, add people so 👀 i should probably ask first in the future.... hey you two is it cool if i send an invite?? yea? thanks 😳

[wind frost]

Sure!! I'd be happy

[fading aspen]

same name as here

[wind frost]

Going to visit your plot 😉

[midnight owl]

my numbers autism is pleased

[neat vortex]

This makes me happy :D

[floral talon]

one of us one of us

[midnight owl]

hey @floral talon i've hit 28, should i start switching up layouts?

I have basically an empty garden plot, wondering if I should start optimising a bit now

[floral talon]

at 25 quality up stops doing anything on star seeds

[midnight owl]

yeah, almost every crop i harvest now is stars.. so i'm starting to not have any normie seeds anymore

[floral talon]

at lv38 normie seeds as you call em can only give starproduce to

[midnight owl]

yeah, so i was t hinking of working on a new layout

[neat vortex]

Seems like a good idea to me :)

[midnight owl]

Just not sure what to plant. I was looking at "all cooking" layouts but they seem to be optimised around no weeds and I still need like 100ish weeds yet

So I was thinking of maybe going a 6 apple layout for profit just until I have all my weeds done.

[floral talon]

oh i have just ht ething for you

[midnight owl]

I think I have your 6 apple layout saved

[floral talon]

but u can start with harvy buff instead of weedblock

[floral talon]

which one i got like every possible combo of those

[midnight owl]

So plant cotton instead of onions?

[floral talon]

cotton aint harvy boost htey be quality up

or do you still need cotton?

[midnight owl]

oh, which is harvest boost? corn?

[floral talon]

rice wheat corn blueberry apple

[midnight owl]

no I don't need any more cotton. I'm just dumb lol

[floral talon]

u poor thing

[midnight owl]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HpAAWAATAA-AR.HAAPAATA-AAR.HpAAWAAT-PAAR.HAAPAA-AWAARAAPA-AAPAAR.HAAP-TAAWAAR.HpAA-AT.HAAPAAR.HA-AATAAWAAR.Hp

[midnight owl]

been up almost 48 hours with sour stomach from my hydroxychloroquine i have no brain cells working atm.

[floral talon]

that one isnt mine

[neat vortex]

an easy way to do this is to simply make sure you have a couple spots where instead of having e.g. bok choy next to onion, you put bok choy next to bok choy and onion next to onion

[midnight owl]

oh mb

[neat vortex]

That will break the weedblock buff on the two weedblockers while protecting everything around them, and you'll slowly get your weeds while keeping everything else in sync

As one option, anyway XD weeds on apple trees annoy the snot outta me

[midnight owl]

yeah I'd probably try to weedblock the trees

[floral talon]

that a good idea ren that way most plants are afk still

[neat vortex]

propagandizes

[midnight owl]

because I don't wanna miss those.. don't care if the other stuff gets weeded

[neat vortex]

For me the things I care most about are the multi-harvest crops and anything with a grow time longer than 4 days, because if those get weeds, it throws the whole thing off

[midnight owl]

what are you feeding worms to sustain these fert levels

[neat vortex]

54 is a lot... and I thought my 45 was bad 😂

[floral talon]

meat? one glowwormer meat is mroe then enough to outproduce my consumption i also have like 100k in grilled fish left to feed em im never gonna run out of fert

[midnight owl]

any grilled fish? or specific ones

[floral talon]

oh shush it son purpose its just max fert afk apple

[floral talon]

i mean i just grill the ones i dont like to save storage maybe i shoudl dump all my starry ones on a plot somtime

[midnight owl]

yeah i have like 300 starred tunas from trying for unicorn

[floral talon]

yes for example or u can put them all on a plot depends on what u wanna do with it or u can girll and put on plot to bypass goldcap

[neat vortex]

Those suckers grill up to be worth 300g (because each grilled fish is 2 fish) as long as it turns out starred (pretty likely) and that gives you, uh.... 6 glow worms and 32 fertilizer each

[floral talon]

and ofcourse my wormer runs 24/7

still shocked i dont need more hten 1 how are poeple short on worms i wonder

[midnight owl]

yeah, I'll toss em in

[neat vortex]

the power of m e a t

[midnight owl]

https://tenor.com/view/feaky-meat-tounge-gif-3271019151004286960

[neat vortex]

Out of curiosity, how many growth ticks does your garden get per IRL day?

[floral talon]

2-4 lately but since my wormers tray is always filled i wont stop pumping out apples even at 20 ticks per day ...

[neat vortex]

This is why, because I get upwards of 10 growth ticks most days (some days closer to 16) and uh

[floral talon]

real issue is my ammo pouch is now full wiht glowworms so i have to sell those

[neat vortex]

I'm running to make fertilizer fast enough, a lot of the time, and I'm running minimum 4 glow worm farms plus a regular worm farm eating pickled onions (9 fert/hr)

[floral talon]

i got 2k fert in reserve

[wind frost]

You're so passionate in here!! 😁

[neat vortex]

Yeah I have, idk, 3 stacks per glow worm farm in reserve, I'm not being silly about it XD But I have to dip into it periodically, depending. I haven't smoothed out the production enough yet, because sometimes I also have to sell fertilizer 😂

[wind frost]

Look at these rich people... Full with glow worms..

[neat vortex]

The trick is uptime on the glow worm farms, I find

[floral talon]

i swear those wormers look like a drugslab so glowy

[wind frost]

You need to sell them at the underground then!

[floral talon]

worms for gambling addiction coins nice nice

[wind frost]

Hahaha, I've done something like this. I was desperate for a painting and sold all my glow worms to greedy Zeki...

Gambling addiction sounds more fun, than shopping though

[floral talon]

if u need blackmarket items again u can server hop to get more rolls to get what u need its how i got 2 arcades oin one go and every item in one evening

[wind frost]

I'm not that rich! I'm literally begging for money every day in this game!

[floral talon]

liza how large is your greed? and have u at least optimised gaardening yet?

[wind frost]

My greed for snow patches and forest is enormous... I can't even count. I want to cover the whole plot...

[wind frost]

I'm making preserves like crazy, I swear!

[floral talon]

are u by chance familiar with EPIC fish partys?

160k coins per hour if everyone is super slow up to 350k per hour if its streamlined

[wind frost]

WHAT?! WHAAAAT

I'm going, omg

[floral talon]

but u need some stockpiles of the right produce so u can participate

rice corn onions best for it DEPENDING ON WHAT MEAL THEY MAKE

[neat vortex]

(Depending on the party, you can also use forageables)

[wind frost]

Oh, so it's a cooking party?
I don't have that much epic fish though, veggies and fruits are fine though.

[floral talon]

u mkae less profit if ur hte one providing hte epic fishes

[neat vortex]

Yeah but there also IS no party with no fish, so, if you DO enjoy fishing, bringing SOME of the fish for the party is one way to go. Stone soup: everybody puts in a little bit, everybody wins :)

[midnight owl]

waaaaat

[neat vortex]

Find 5 people with 20 high-value fish each and you've got 100 rounds of poke (assuming you've also got 5 people with 20 dari cloves and 5 people with either 20 dari or 20 heat root each)

[midnight owl]

Call up Mr. Dari

[neat vortex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CqV_SHjfqaYcGcfqg4aVp21tYZACUDNMHYkTo9Wyu-8/edit?gid=394257616#gid=394257616
Poke bowls made with
(1) star quality, top-tier epic fish (like giant goldfish)
(2) dari cloves as the "any spice" in the salsa (so, 2 dari cloves per round)
come out starred 90-95% of the time as long as you keep it moving and have a good distribution of cooking levels (i.e., not too many brand new players). Unstarred, they are 663g each dish (3 dishes per round, 1989g/round); if they turn out starred, they sell for 994g each (2982g/round).
So... yeah.

[midnight owl]

I see I see

rubs fingers like Zeki

[floral talon]

and those almost 3k per round can come in 20seconds XD of course in practice its gonna be way slower

and poeple do cake partys for money lol noobs cake is for food

[midnight owl]

I assume cooking level increases star chance with normal ingredients the way gardening level increases the star chance of produce?

[neat vortex]

Onion is the easiest/fastest item to overprep* because it's the first ingredient on the prep table list, so you just open it and start chopping, basically. But they generally are required to be star quality.
(*overprep = prepare an ingredient that isn't strictly needed for the recipe to get participation credit, which earns you a copy of the dish).

[floral talon]

no input item value% being starred does or something but it is so random

[neat vortex]

Yes, to some extent; there are a lot of factors, but that's one of them.

[midnight owl]

Does overprep consume the ingredient?

[neat vortex]

Yes.

[midnight owl]

Okay, so used as a "throwaway" to get participation but obtain the dish.

[neat vortex]

Yep!

lol I like to think of it as making, like, extra snacks for the "party." Buncha folks with their spice sprouts, tomato, onion making dip or something XD

[midnight owl]

Onion rings, get yer onion rings

My dogs in the kitchen tripping you for participation points. "I'm helping!!!!"

[neat vortex]

roflmao

[midnight owl]

Hey if we trip you you might drop food and we might get fed. Dog logic 101

[neat vortex]

I mean, they aren't wrong, in an immediate sense...

[midnight owl]

They are butts.

[cunning crater]

is this the most money u can make while leveling and retaining water tho? :D (or more like the leveling one posted below it)

[floral talon]

More or less yes the one with cotton is for lower levels

[fading aspen]

wait bok choi is better than tomato?

[ashen garden]

havent seen the math on that one, do you mean cabbage tho

[mighty magnet]

Any pure-profit farm layouts you guys would suggest? Preferably without fert, having to water the crops is fine

[ashen garden]

as a substitute water boost crop i assume

[fading aspen]

yes, cabbage 🥲

[ashen garden]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP-PRPTCrTPWP
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP-POPTCTPOP i got these, max cash and full afk respectively

[ashen garden]

yeah no idea and im lazy to run the math

[mighty magnet]

Thank you darling 💖

[floral talon]

Not max cash it has no harvestboost

[neat vortex]

The math on that depends on your harvest frequency. Tomatoes need to be harvested at 4 days and then every 2 days thereafter, and longer intervals/delays in harvesting will make their gold per tile per growth tick start to decline. The argument is that if you want actual "AFK-ability" then you want to maximize times between harvests (and, as much as possible, sync the harvest times). Napa cabbage, with its 6-day grow time, does do that, since it lines up nicely with the apple tree harvest cycle (12-6-6-6) and sorta with blueberries (9-3-3-3); bok choy, rice, and carrots are all 3-day crops, so it is possible to this way have a garden that only needs to be touched once in 3 hours of gametime.

However, if you are "AFK" meaning you still come back to pluck your tomatoes, bushes, and trees (even if you don't have to replant anything) when needed, then it's not an issue. Like everything, it depends on your playstyle.

Much more math here ("Replanting Frequency Math" tab): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?gid=290775464#gid=290775464

[ashen garden]

i refuse to mess with fertiliser, go somewhere else for that - and the first layout is harvestboosted tfym

[ashen garden]

i just opened it to check and the first layout is literally 100% water 100% harvest what u smokin

people really just be saying anything these days

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RPCWTOCrPC-RPCWTOCrPC-RPCWTOCrPC-RPOWTCCrPO-RPOWTCCrPO-RPOWTCCrPO-RPCWTOCrPC-RPCWTOCrPC-RPCWTOCrPC happier with this one @floral talon ? cc @mighty magnet this one isnt bad either

[neat vortex]

I think DuhScape calls this kind of layout the "tryhard method" (you will need SO MANY seedmakers... do not actually recommend this unless you just really love spending all your playtime gardening — which, if you do, totally valid!)
Mostly bok choy plus harvest boosters.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk-BkRBkBkCrBkBkWBk (fixed the link)

[floral talon]

sorry i thought hte previous to were one link and opened the not harvest bosoted one
this one uhm i got better

[ashen garden]

ah so skill issue,

[neat vortex]

Variant of the 100% water/harvest boost one (just shoved some bok choy in there and swapped out the wheat): https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP-PRBkTCrTBkRP
(as a bonus, your tomatoes are all weed-free? lol)

[neat vortex]

let's not.

[ashen garden]

its all in good fun, and besides something good came out of it, i made another good layout

[floral talon]

other shapes like straight line ok only straight line work well to

[neat vortex]

super duper minmaxed courtesy of @stable ginkgo ✨ (55 bok choy, 100% harvest boosted)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRWBkBkBkRBkBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkWBk-RWBkBkBkBkBkBkR-WBkRBkBkWBkBkR-BkBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-RBkWWBkBkRBkBk-RBkBkWBkBkBkBkR-BkWBkBkBkBkWBkR-BkBkRBkBkWWBkBk

(but for that one I always have to look up the layout and spend a long time squinting at it, because I can NEVER remember the pattern 😂)
source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?gid=927181586#gid=927181586 (Feb24 Bok Choy Layout tab)

[floral talon]

note for me tryharding farming takes away from the point of farmnig which is afk moneys

[neat vortex]

I happen to agree; I think that, as a skill, gardening's power lies in its ability to generate passive income. Granted, processing your crops DOES do that (and bok choy does nearly double in value when made into seeds), but my PERSONAL motivation to persist with that level of every-three-hours replanting, every-hour-watering-and-weeding for 81 tiles is... really not there. I would not be able to keep it up for more than maybe three replanting cycles, and that's being very generous. But that's me, not you, and maybe it's perfect for you; thus, I share it so you can make your own decisions. :D

(As an aside, I actually slapped an extra apple tree into my layout (despite having zero use for apples) because freeing myself from 9 tiles of single-tile crops and the attendant replanting work was worth it - AND I have a fully self-watering/self-weeding layout!)

This is why I'm always saying that it's important that a layout works FOR YOU and your playstyle; the numbers don't ever tell the whole story, because telling someone "well, you Just Have To stay on top of your garden and then you'll make money!" doesn't actually work where the rubber meets the road. I've spoken to waaay too many people who have told me that they will literally avoid going home, because then they will feel guilty about neglecting their garden — because they hate having to water/weed/replant all the time, even though they "know they should." The subjective experience is important!

(I've also spoken with people who felt like a self-watering/weeding layout was too much pressure to replant, and got overwhelmed because their crops were always ready! Which is fair! In which case you'd want to maximize multi-harvest crops for sure.)

A garden you don't even want to look at, much less tend/replant, is one that is making you zero gold per tile per growth tick. XD

[fading aspen]

damn smart

unfortunately you need to keep the game running, if only it also worked like the crafters

[floral talon]

intentional game design choice

[neat vortex]

credit to DuhScape for that one entirely, because I knew theoretically that delays in harvesting would decrease productivity (obviously), but hadn't considered mathing out how it might reshuffle your crop priorities

[floral talon]

cant believe noone else noticed that most afk layouts requried harvesting and replanting half hte time ... thus ruining afk
unless u doing set n forget not harvestingreplanting till everything is grown or something

[neat vortex]

I think you maybe took "AFK" a bit more literally than was originally intended (not that I really ever called it that, I got that terminology from other people; I tend to call it 100% watered/weeded)

[floral talon]

wait that wasnt supposed to be literal

[clear coral]

i tend to play for a good 2-4 hrs everyday but i dislike having to go back to my plot and re-garden every hour. i usually rmr to garden when i first login and then forget it for the next few hours. is there potentially decent garden layout for this type of gameplay? i'm not worried about the absolute most gold output or anything, just a steady side income

(sorry i know you are in the middle of a convo, just thought i'd put this out there for later)

[floral talon]

yeay afk or lazy layouts

[neat vortex]

You are exactly the target audience for the kind of layout DuhScape favors, so it's perfectly relevant :) I'll let him link his stuff XD

[clear coral]

prefer to have to water the least amount. i always keep growth and harvest boosts stocked up in inventory and use those a lot as well

also a big apple tree fan as it takes up 9 squares and i usually jam them if that helps

[neat vortex]

If you like to spend time out of the house, I would not bother with SpeedyGro; it is bugged to all heck (and has been since forever) and apparently part of the bugginess is that it doesn't apply the bonus if you aren't physically on your plot for the growth tick (as far as I understand it)

[clear coral]

this is my current layout. it's nothing special and i never really planned it. also thanks for the heads up about the growth boost, i was wondering why it felt so bad

[neat vortex]

Ah... and the other half of the bugginess is that it interferes with harvest boost :< so sometimes it "skips" applying the harvest boost buff and then you end up only getting regular yield from your plants, despite their having had the HB buff on the whole time

[clear coral]

i'm basically convinced atp to just do all apples lol

[floral talon]

we got afk apple layouts

[idle ocean]

After reading all about the afk plots I have decided to run one as well. I found this one someone posted in here. Since I use apple jam for focus food I thought it’d do well. If anyone has any suggestions let me know?

[floral talon]

are you satisfied with that one is it what u need?

[neat vortex]

(is that a Hellsguard name I spy...? :D)

[floral talon]

rub just posteed one of em =^-^= miauw

[clear coral]

the layout joyous ruby posted you mean? i'll have to try that out. also one more Q, is it worth to drop jams and pickled items into worm/glow worm bins still? or should i just use what i need for harvest boost and then sell the rest as is

[floral talon]

yes but we got more apples layouts so if u can be really specific on what u want il grab the right one for you
if u got spare crafter capcity and dont mind probably basically to worm stuff must be worth less then 50 coins or get rounded up to the nearest 50coins to be worht it

[ashen garden]

fertiliser layouts arent afk

[floral talon]

u can dump 99 fert on it then it is

[clear coral]

• tend garden about once an irl day or every few hrs when i rmr
• lots of apples for jams -> gold/focus/keep a good stock for occasional cake parties
• least amount of watering/weeding possible

.... i think that's about it?

[ashen garden]

thats still bugged half the time

[floral talon]

do u want moe apples or no fert?

[clear coral]

idm using fert if needed

[floral talon]

put 50 down then

[clear coral]

also not much use for other crops other than very occasionally using a tile to re up my stock for cooking

[floral talon]

withotu fert u can have 4 afk apples with 6

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.HpA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HO-BkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-OA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.HpA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HO.WA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.Hp

minimum fertiliser max afk apples

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HOCbPBk.HPCbOCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbPCr.HOBk.HOCrPCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkOCbP.HCbOBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbOCrPBk.HPCr.HOCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkOCbP.HCbOBkCr.H

everything afk apples
Palia Garden Planner
Palia Garden Planner
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everything afk apples2

[clear coral]

okay so this means i have to use 54 fert each time i garden right

and which tiles specifically will i be using the few water and weed blocks on?

[floral talon]

fert is invcluded in my layouts u can see where

[floral talon]

max pple one yeay

[clear coral]

oh they have the icons in the bottom corner, sorry i'm new to using the layout. okay thank you! that one looks like the best for me. i appreciate the help :)

[floral talon]

glad u like it and feel free to ask for something else whne u get bored of it

[wind frost]

I can't open the spreadsheet for some reason 😢

[static raven]

hi, is gardening bugged rn? My crops won't grow unless I stay at my home plot at 6:00 A.M.. Is it just me?

[neat vortex]

...good question. I haven't actually spent any significant time out of the house since Tuesday. 🤔

Can you tell me more about what you're observing?

[idle ocean]

I don’t cook much so I don’t need a lot of variety of vegetables. I guess I’m wondering if I’m missing anything I may need. There is a cotton there for fabric. Boo choy I’ll seed, potatoes I’ll preserve (?) Is there a benefit to swapping blueberries for peppers?

[neat vortex]

What is fertilizer bugged with now? 😱 I thought they fixed the problem where a plot becomes uninteractable if you put 99 on all 9 tiles...

I HAVE noticed that if you spend WAY long periods outside the house that sometimes it'll keep using HB fertilizer after your crops are harvestable. Funnily, that works fine for tomatoes - they keep on chugging XD They can be multi-harvested, even - very weird. No good for the single-harvest crops, though.

It only happens if you are in Kilima or Bahari for multiple hours (4+) at a stretch, generally. All is normal if you're online but home, or if you pop home any time before the growth tick after the one when your plants became harvestable.

That said, since I always log out on my home plot if I can help it, idk what happens if you log out in (e.g.) Bahari and then log back in but don't go home 🤔

[floral talon]

peppers are useless garden bugg wise past lv25

[floral talon]

do u have 9 knapweeds on ur plot?

[idle ocean]

Thanks

[static raven]

yes! I make them grow on crops I never harvest so that they won't grow on other crops. Is that the reason?

[neat vortex]

Uh oh, whoops, yeah that kind of works but also causes other problems, like crops regressing backwards and perhaps what you're seeing

[neat vortex]

Hmm, it's set to "anyone with link" 🤔

[ashen garden]

consumes more than it should per day

[floral talon]

yes its a bug stuff dont save unles u water or apply fert or cause some othe update when 9 knapweed

[static raven]

Thank you! I didn't know it has such side effect. Gotta say goodbye to my knapweeds

[floral talon]

unfortunately this is why we cant do strategic weedplacement layouts 😦

[neat vortex]

That's interesting! I've been using fertilizer to track my tomatoes plants' progress for months now, and it's quite consistent other than when I'm spending literally hours online but not home.

I guess it would be a problem if your crops are one growth tick from being harvestable and you go run around in Bahari for two growth ticks... then it will consume two fertilizer instead of one and then pausing. 🤔

[ashen garden]

its for apples mostly if that helps

[neat vortex]

That does, yeah. I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks!

How many are they consuming per growth tick when the bug kicks in?

[ashen garden]

it consumes everything

[neat vortex]

like all 99??

[floral talon]

fert glitches if to much is on one soil

[ashen garden]

never bother with 99 but ive done 2 and 3 before

[neat vortex]

That doesn't/can't happen with apples (it was 99 on each of the 9 tiles, so 9x99) and an apple tree only holds 99 total

and I am pretty sure they fixed the uninteractable soil bug, based on someone else's screenshots. I've always been too chicken to risk it in order to test it.

[neat vortex]

How do you put only 2 fertilizer on an apple tree?

[floral talon]

if u got a stack of 2 and another stack in ur inv

[neat vortex]

the screenshot in question: #🌱│gardening message

[ashen garden]

2 sets, so 18

[floral talon]

u can also put actua;lly 2 down but yeay not recommended

[slow flame]

Exactly, what can I do with crops i grown/harvested if I cant eat nor want?

[fading aspen]

cook or sell

usually process them either in a seed collector or a preserves jar to make more money :))

[slow flame]

Mk. Still to low for doing jars yet. Thanks, though.

[neat vortex]

Unless you have a very high playtime to idle time ratio, bok choy and potatoes are already best as seeds, and rice, wheat, and starred cotton are also best processed into seeds before you sell them. (Keep unstarred cotton to make fabric.) Everything else is better in jars, but can also be seeded until you get there. :)

You can also attend cooking parties with your excess starred ingredients and sell the proceeds, after you keep what you might want for focus food. Even if they weren't intended to be for profit, some common focus food recipes can still sell for quite a bit (starred chili oil dumplings are worth 91g each, for example, and you get 3 for your single starred carrot, tomato, rice, or wheat). If you are contributing only one of the ingredients, it can be a nice way to multiply your investment.

Unstarred carrots and tomatoes can also be fed to glow worms, if you have that unlocked! Takes longer than seeds, but more profitable if you set them to run overnight.

[ashen garden]

at some point i may have to do the math myself but until then does anyone know definitively if cabbage is better than either potato or tomato and if so why? (and by how much)

[neat vortex]

You go home every growth tick, right?

[ashen garden]

not always, only if im bahari farming. if im doing quests then nah

[neat vortex]

So, based on ideal replanting — assuming you are perfectly consistent about harvesting your crops immediately when they finish growing and then replanting them every time, with no "lost" growth ticks — then the maximum possible gold value per tile per growth tick ranking is this (numbers assume star quality crops, harvest boosted):

As you see, napa is... not great, if you're very on top of your garden.

However... as soon as you deviate from the ideal, things start shuffling around, because you start increasing the effective growth days (because crops sit harvestable, not progressing towards the next harvest):

wait hang on something is wrong here

(This spreadsheet was made very hastily a while back and I haven't gone back and cross-checked all the logic on it; like for example, the "Hates Replanting (4-day)" still assumes you replant your potatoes on time, even though they aren't ready yet at 4 days.)

I should probably include the Effective Growth Days in this chart...

But as you can see, it's less that napa cabbage is worth more overall, and more that tomatoes are sensitive to procrastination. I think it comes down to knowing yourself: will you have the opportunity to pop home and scoop up your tomatoes so they can keep chugging, or will you want to not even TOUCH your garden more often than every 6-7 RL hours?

Third time's the charm, yeesh

Yeah, I'm not fully happy with this, but I feel like, specific rankings/scenarios aside, this illustrates the overall point okay

[ashen garden]

what boost does bok choy give?

[neat vortex]

weedblock

[ashen garden]

so good to replace onion then. how are they processed?

[neat vortex]

I'd replace carrot, personally, for multiple reasons (mainly that they are very close to carrot in the ideal case, but are more resilient to missed growth ticks).

Bok choy are better in terms of value added per crop as seeds (and quite similar to preserves as far as value added per crafter-hour), so that's usually what I recommend for most players. However, IF you plant a very large number of tiles with bok choy AND have a very high playtime-to-idle time ratio AND stay on top of your garden in ideal fashion, then the very long processing time on the seeds (72 minutes) can result in not being able to process all of them even with every crafter slot you have bent to the task. (Basically, there are limits to how much you can leverage bok choy toward profit, but it's still quite powerful.)

[vital kraken]

Has anyone else had an issue with on tile showing not hoed even though you did it? Can plant something on it and then it shows fine

[tame jacinth]

arrrghh could someone please send me a palia garden planner layout code for a newbie farmer? I'm kinda skruggling just selling tomatoes. I just hit lvl 6 and I would love to maximize my money output. There's so much to farming I'm kinda getting overwhelmed. D:

[floral talon]

hello

duhscape to the rescue

do you know yet how gardening works mechanic wise cuz i can send layouts but u wouldnt know which one to use otherwise

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

LOW LEVEL LAYOUTS!!!

[tame jacinth]

Yes I've been watching a lot of videos on weed prevention/water retention/crop boost as well as methods of selling raw yield vs seeds vs preserves. AND the fertilisers.

[floral talon]

wait htey make videos of what is basically 10 sentences to explain wow dang

ok so low levels want hte following buffs water retain (unles u really like watering which u cant do efficiently due to low tier watering can)
quality up increases odds of starred produce alot (it also scales iwth lv hence only for low levels) u can stop using htat buff at 25 and 38without star seeds
harvest boost so u get 50% more produce $_$ profit

u do not wwant weedblock just yet cuz putting 4 buffs in on everything is impossible without insane amounts of fertiliser and u need weedwhacker ahcivements still

the layotus i send have crops slected on harvest times lining up aswell as their buffs but of course u can replace cabbage with tomatoe and corn with wheat etc aslong as each plant besides cotton has a same buff buddy next to it

ok this is a lot of info for you fo rnow frostie feel free toa sk questions once ur done processing it

[tame jacinth]

Thank you so much for all of that, it has helped tremendously and now I know what to do. I'm going to use the first link you sent and avoid weed prevention.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-CoWCoCoCrCoCoWCo-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-CoCrCoCoWCoCoCrCo-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-CoWCoCoCrCoCoRCo-CoRTCbWCoTRCb This is my plan

[floral talon]

also soome of hte layouts are spicypeppers and u only need to plant like 2 of em unles u keep using em XD so run the spicy pepper layout once u stop needing the quality up buff from that pplant later on so it becomes layout wise an useless plant later so nowis the bestest time to use it more or less

well if u dont mind having to water we usually try to 100% a buff but since u gotto come back every hour to pluck weeds anyways

[tame jacinth]

ohh wait turns out I have a ton of fertilizer so we're going for the spicey pepper 😄

[floral talon]

hf

[ashen garden]

*all levels

[floral talon]

higher levels dont neceseraly want harvy boost or quality up though

no even everyone wants any buff at all though im not sure why

[ashen garden]

i meant the bit about watering

[floral talon]

yeay its always usefull even more so at lower levels
though some poeple tend to water their garden for therapeutical reasons

[neat vortex]

Some people are visual and/or auditory learners and do much better with video if they don't do as well with absorbing text :)

tbh it would probably be a good idea to collect a little library of good videos to share with folks

but I actually personally really struggle with absorbing info from videos 😅 so I suppose I'd have to ask for recs

[floral talon]

il just cheatsheet everything im the dummy that needs for dummy guides XD

[neat vortex]

(I was watching one of Aqajj's videos last night - the one explaining the big gold per hour calculator, which did NOT in fact work the way I expected from looking at it, oops - and every time I got distracted for two seconds or missed a word because the auto-CC was terrible, I kept having to rewind, just miserable. Ten minute video took me like half an hour to get through...)

[neat vortex]

Yeah, you're better with the concise summaries than I am lol

[floral talon]

i noticed whenever u answer questions its a 50 message long essay. since u started answering questions this channel is having way more text dumped into it
or it is cuz since u do it poeple dont get scared of by me nonstop anymore

[glossy plank]

i have an issue with the tool, let's say i said i will get these coins for 180 palium days, how do i know which day i am rn? xD. if that makes sense? or i just hoard up the by products till i get the same amount as the tool generator?

it's awesome and all really it helped alot. it feels good not to need to water the plants every time i get back to my plot

[floral talon]

growthtikcs when ur online 600 ingame time
and once again offline but only one time

[neat vortex]

yeah, the number of days isn't actually a measure of time, but more like a measure of garden progress - and it assumes your crops are always watered and weeded on time with no delays

The number of days (Palian days, growth ticks) just tells the calculator how long to run the harvest projection for before giving you the estimated average gold per growth tick

So if you kept an accounting of your gold earnings from your garden and tallied it all up, after 180 growth ticks (where you were online for your garden to progress and your garden didn't have any weeds, or unwatered or harvestable plants) then that big tally is what the tool is estimating

[floral talon]

number of text difference between me and ren for hte exact same question asnwered lol

[neat vortex]

Yup v_v

[fading aspen]

is there an existing 4 blueberry 1 apple layout with 100 harvest water weed?

well, blueberries and apples getting 100 harvest, support doesnt

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CTPBkRBkTBB-BkCPCTBBkPB-TBkCBRTBBkP-PBBCTPBkCBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkCBkPTCBBP-PBkBTRBCBkT-BPBkBTCPCBk-BBTBkRBkPTC

ive made this but its 67% harvest, not sure if it can be improved

[floral talon]

why do u need so many blueberrys anyways (without alot of apples)

[clear kindle]

the only reason i can think of is just being the host of a cake party without doing anything else during the process, since cakes start with blueberries

[floral talon]

but eyay we got full afk 4xblue4x apple layouts why cant he use that one ?_?

[fading aspen]

only 1 apple seed :))

[fading aspen]

just getting a stockpile really

[floral talon]

oh that explains what is ur lv btw?

[fading aspen]

just got 10

[floral talon]

ic u sure u dont want it quality up buffed?

[fading aspen]

got an apple seed from it, so once my blueberry bush perishes i switch to apple

[fading aspen]

if thats possible without like, sacrificing afk

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo can use weave in garden tactic and then just dump weedblock on it
weaving in other plants in a different pattern thats why this example looks so weird

[fading aspen]

i see, i'll check it out a bit closer later just got off the game for a bit lol

[neat vortex]

This is probably better than I could manage. Those bushes are damn tricky, because they like to create unbuffed corners, lol.

• Your layout would only need 20 HB fert to get to 100 percent
• bushes/trees are sorted for water/weed/harvest without fertilizer (and thus could get quality up fert if you choose*)
• Needs no store-bought fertilizer for water/weed coverage
• And the pattern is even organized/visually pleasing.

Looks pretty good to me!

*since you cannot buy unstarred fruit and peppers (unlike most other crops), you might not want to bother - that unstarred fruit can save a recipe if someone accidentally starts a recipe without checking "use starred ingredients."

[ashen garden]

i made a really good one for cakes, its much more fruit-balanced, but no weed block, so use fertiliser for that https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PBBTBBPTR-AAAAAAAAA-BBRBBTPTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTPTBBRBB-AAAAAAAAA-RTPBBTBBP-AAAAAAAAA

[ashen garden]

any recipe selecting starred ingredients can also use unstarred, its the other way round that doesnt work

4 berry 1 apple is much less balanced if your aim in mind is stockpiling, because you use 3 apples to 1 blueberry for cakes (which is the main reason to have them)

[fading aspen]

yea the bushes make for terrible boost spots, several times i ended up with like, 97 water or 97 weed ://

[neat vortex]

Exactly! which makes unstarred fruit precious when (a) you inevitably can't grow it past level 40 gardening (b) you can't buy it and (c) accidents happen.

(I get an unstarred pepper, blueberry, or apple from the rummage pile once in a while and I CHEER.)

I was at a chili oil dumplings party recently where the person on starter was brand new to parties (very awesome) - but hadn't quite realized that it was necessary to check the box EVERY time. Picked it up quickly once informed, but still didn't have the muscle memory/mental checklist quite in place yet. No big deal, but I did end up placing a fair bit of my unstarred produce, including peppers, because most folks didn't have any.

[floral talon]

Nice u reinvented tgat one gj

[neat vortex]

Not bad — on average over time (so, smoothing out the uneven gaps between harvests) this one yields 7.6 blueberries per growth tick and 14.3 apples per growth tick, so with this layout as long as you FF about twice as often as you take the starter role, you're in good shape.

For the same fruit ratio, I kinda like this one by u/UnabashedVoice (https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1at5eh9/comment/kqy3w5k/)
You give up non-fert HB on the center apple in exchange for the flexibility of "grow whatever you want" corner crops (cotton plants can be literally anything)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoAATAAPAA-ABBABBATP-PTCoAAAAAA-BBPBBTAAA-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-AAATBBPBB-AAAAAACoTP-PTABBABBA-AAPAATAACo

But, that will depend on the individual person's priorities - since I imagine Sirfirelord would NOT want to use HB fertilizer anywhere, given the issues he has observed with it

[slow flame]

anyone got a layout with one apple tree? just got my first seed

[neat vortex]

Ooh congrats! What else do you like to grow?

[slow flame]

whatever's good for profit+makes the garden as afk as possible

[floral talon]

I recommend the weavein layout for first stockpile

[slow flame]

where do I find this one?

[floral talon]

I cant post it rn though

[slow flame]

no worries!

[neat vortex]

Do you need fruit for cooking parties, or just growing it to grow it (valid)? and can you say more about how long you like to spend online, but not home? (will change profitability of different crops)

[slow flame]

yes,I'd love to use apples&berries for cake parties. (got 5 berry seeds btw) the way I play varies, I get on the game multiple times a day for different amount of times each time due to real life lol

[neat vortex]

nodnod So, no 6-hours-in-Bahari squirrelling marathons? XD

[slow flame]

undoable

[neat vortex]

Got it! Okay, so it sounds like you may be good to go with an okay mix of grow times, with an emphasis on reharvestable crops, hm.

[slow flame]

now that sounds very nice

[neat vortex]

Do you do any other kinds of cooking parties? Poke, sashimi, favorite focus foods, etc, or are the rest of your crops going to be solo-processed and sold?

[slow flame]

I like having rice for focus food&jarring potatoes for profit,the rest idc lol

[neat vortex]

(I do recommend seeding potatoes for profit, incidentally! It sounds like you have a healthy amount of idle time, but not long gaps between sessions, so the longer processing time should work just fine in your favor.)

[slow flame]

oooh so seeding them is better than jarring?

[neat vortex]

It depends somewhat on the specifics of your playtime-to-idle-time ratio and also how often you are online, but yes, starred potatoes in a seed collector are 120g per potato (4 seeds @ 30g each) vs. pickled potatoes at 102g per potato, and for most people, that is better. The difference is that seeds take 84 minutes and pickled potatoes take 54 minutes. But the gold per crafter slot hour is comparable, it's just a matter of whether you need to be able to set-and-forget for more than 22 hours at a stretch. (Seedmaker will jam after processing 16 potatoes, which takes 22 hours and some minutes.)

[slow flame]

perf,thank you!

[neat vortex]

Alriiight, lemme see what I can dig up!

[slow flame]

you should get paid for your efforts fr,thank you lots!<3

[neat vortex]

Mostly leveraging and re-sharing the efforts of others, tbh, and I find it really fun!

Oh yes, one more thing: are you still below level 25 gardening? I assume so, since you said you just got an apple seed, but thought I'd double-check.

[slow flame]

yessir,just reached lvl 10

[floral talon]

That why he need le weave in layout xd

[neat vortex]

I actually am not 100% sure what this refers to <_<; that could be anything

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb

[neat vortex]

options \o/

[floral talon]

Hopefully i posted it correctly weave in uhm the bottom one leftside pattern on everything
And above link shows how one example u can weave in other plants it has many ways of doing that weave in more of a concept then a layout

[neat vortex]

Got it, thank you!

[floral talon]

But its most ideal way of getting ur first stash of seeds

Explaining on phone is hard

[neat vortex]

Needs weedblock, though, hm

[slow flame]

too many options😭

[floral talon]

Uhm depends on where u place the apple in

[floral talon]

Its ok u dont have to plant ur apple right away

[formal osprey]

Hey team, do star tomato seeds give you 100% star tomato harvests?

[floral talon]

Depends on ur lv and if it has quality up boost

[neat vortex]

Only once you hit level 25; before that, your slowly-increasing base star chance + star seed bonus still adds up to less than 100% and needs a boost from QualityUp (from either fertilizer or from the companion planting buff from cotton or peppers)

[formal osprey]

my gardening level is 9 and my player level is 47

[neat vortex]

oops, sorry, should have specified that it's your gardening level, specifically. Gardening level 25 is the breakpoint.

[formal osprey]

aweee okay

[neat vortex]

Yep! Grow that cotton while it still benefits you!

[formal osprey]

so do u suggest i sell my SQ seeds or save them? Also how does cotton benefit me? (started playing 2 days ago

ive been selling SQ seedng and replanting normal quality seeds..

[neat vortex]

Strongly suggest you PLANT your SQ seeds (and save them for future replanting until you have enough for a few rounds of planting; then you can sell the excess)

Even without any kind of additional buffs, star quality seeds still have a higher chance of yielding SQ produce, THEN turns into SQ seeds in the seed maker. Star quality anything is worth +50% over the base sell price for the item.

[formal osprey]

okay thank you so much - u are appreciated <33

[neat vortex]

You're welcome \o/

If you want to get a good rundown of the whole system, Arenvanya's Guide to Gardening is pretty excellent! It's linked at the top of the garden planner page: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[floral talon]

Theres 5-10 times more text when ren instead of me answers a question 😂

[neat vortex]

It's true.... v_v

[formal osprey]

omg yay tysm

[neat vortex]

Oh, forgot part of your question...
So, cotton not only gives its neighbors the quality boost buff, it is also used to make fabric, which you need a whooooole bunch of. Fabric is used for the first several tiers of furniture, and for some later items as well, so you'll need a lot of it. 2 cotton are needed for 1 piece of fabric.

Fortunately, when you are below level 25 gardening, since star seeds don't give you 100% star produce yet, you need the quality buff cotton gives you to maximize your star produce and get starred seeds to replant, so it's very beneficial. (Peppers also give the same buff.)

HOWEVER, once you reach gardening 25, at that point the buff cotton gives you doesn't do you any good if you're planting all starred seeds. Past level 35-40 or so, you get all starred crops even with unstarred seeds, and you really don't benefit from the cotton buff. At that point, if you plant cotton, it's taking up a tile that could be occupied by a plant that gives a more useful buff (usually harvest boost). So, there is a cost when you plant cotton at high levels.

Later on, once you finally run out of the fabric made from your planted cotton, you do have the option to buy fabric, but it's quite expensive. XD So, stockpile it now.

[formal osprey]

If my main goal is money from farming, what method/plot layout would u suggest?

[neat vortex]

While we're talking about new-gardener strategies.... (this is a total aside)

DuhScape additionally makes the point that you shouldn't worry about weedblock at low levels because there is an accomplishment series (with renown rewards) for plucking weeds.

I personally think you could go either way on that — it's down to personal preference and playstyle. For me, I was spending a LOT more time out of the house as a new player (talking to villagers, exploring, questing) and my garden stalled out a lot due to weeds, as a result, so a 100% self-weeding/watering layout was very helpful to me. But then once I got settled, I started focusing on my garden more, and that's when I swapped to the non-weedblocked layout for a while. It just depends.

[floral talon]

ok so YOU have decided u want max money for low levels huh
u asked for it and it shall be answered
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Co.HpCo.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpCr.HpCo.Hp-Cr.HpCo.HpCo.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpCo.HpR.HpCr.Hp-R.HpCr.HpCo.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpCo.HpCo.HpR.Hp-Co.HpR.HpCr.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpCr.HpCo.HpCo.Hp-Co.HpCo.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpCr.HpCo.Hp-Cr.HpCo.HpCo.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpCo.HpR.HpCr.Hp-R.HpCr.HpCo.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpCo.HpCo.HpR.Hp-Co.HpR.HpCr.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpCr.HpCo.HpCo.Hp-Co.HpR.HpCr.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpCr.HpCo.Hp

[neat vortex]

Oh boy, that's a BIG "it depends," lol — mostly on how you like to spend your time in the game.

• The universals are to maximize QualityUp at first, to plant starred seeds, and to get HarvestBoost going as well as much as you can.
• 100% water retain and 100% weedblock (especially water retain) coverage can be helpful in ensuring you don't waste growth ticks
• ...but there's going to be a tradeoff among those 4 buffs most of the time unless you use a lot of fertilizer, which has its own costs

[floral talon]

BE CAREFULL WHAT YOU WISH FOR !!!!

[neat vortex]

oh my god how much does that water retain fert cost

[floral talon]

for you just might get it 😈

[neat vortex]

But wow that certainly is a number

[floral talon]

160 coins per palian day

[formal osprey]

HELPPP WHAT DID I SIGN UP FOR

[neat vortex]

😂

You signed up for RumpleDuhScape, apparently

[floral talon]

of course this doesnt deduct fert cost but this is the mostest money low level layout

with water fert its also afk without it u can go even higher wiht 2 harvy boost ferts and 2 quality up ones

[neat vortex]

Personally I'd slap in potatoes...

[floral talon]

but then u need lots of harvyt boost fert which lower lvs wills truggle to get

[neat vortex]

for the carrots, I mean

[floral talon]

mh ur giht this thing can become even more montrous

[neat vortex]

I'd personally much rather use QU fert

water retain is a pain

and you can craft QU fert before you get worm farms

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Co.HpCo.WR.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WR.HpCr.WCo.Hp-Cr.HpCo.WCo.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WCo.HpR.WCr.Hp-R.HpCr.WCo.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WCo.HpCo.WR.Hp-Co.HpR.WCr.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WCr.HpCo.WCo.Hp-Co.HpCo.WR.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WR.HpCr.WCo.Hp-Cr.HpCo.WCo.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WCo.HpR.WCr.Hp-R.HpCr.WCo.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WCo.HpCo.WR.Hp-Co.HpR.WCr.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WCr.HpCo.WCo.Hp-Co.HpR.WCr.HpBk.WP.HpBk.WR.HpCr.WCo.Hp

[neat vortex]

(hi neni you've set off the theorycrafters, my apologies)

[floral talon]

itys just a trip to zeki to insta print it and its cheaper hten the other ferts

[neat vortex]

But it's not cheaper?

[formal osprey]

i am just so ..... stun locked right now ...... what is happening lmaooo

[floral talon]

u can sell quality up and harvy boost for 5 gold each and the other ones cost 2coins each to buy or something

[neat vortex]

QU sells for 2g each :D

[floral talon]

you asked hte forbidden question and summoned the theory crafting demons

[floral talon]

it is cheaper to buy then the rest give to sell so it saves coins

[neat vortex]

I guess that's true, if you're assuming crafter slot opportunity cost for the worm farm 🤔 and you do need sweet stuff now to produce QU, I forgot, ugh... so you'd need to get in on a cake party or something

Okay, yeah, you have a point

[floral talon]

well anyways the most money layotus for low levels are aan example of what nbot to ask for

@formal osprey theres a reason u cannot use most money layouts for low levels and noone wants to at higher lvs

[neat vortex]

I mean it's a fair question...

[floral talon]

@formal osprey but we can stillg et u layouts that suit u best

[floral talon]

and it give the correct answer after which they shiver in tears in a corner
i believe in tuff love its a learning oppertunity

[formal osprey]

and this is why cozy games give u the most stress lol

[floral talon]

oh we can also optimise cozyness but u asked for most money nto most cozy

[formal osprey]

came to decorate and now im paragraphs deep in google docs

[neat vortex]

Honestly? ANYTHING in the ground is better than NOTHING in the ground, so "toss down your seeds and pray" is perfectly valid as a strategy, as long as it makes you happy

[floral talon]

yeay theres even poeple who like to not have water retain so they can water their crops more ugh

[neat vortex]

But if it gives you more satisfaction to have a nice system chugging along, then we can help with that!

[floral talon]

i call those most meditative watering layouts

[neat vortex]

I honestly put off upgrading my watering can (& hoe) for a very long time for basically that reason (but still used water retain layouts)

I didn't want to have to run out to Kilima to repair it, or risk it breaking (and I didn't have a repair station yet)

so I got really good at aiming that dang makeshift hoe XD

Now I honestly spend the majority of my repair kits repairing my gardening tools 😭

[floral talon]

i walk to sifuu cuz its more economical which is weird cuz i have to much iron and heartwood i could be making repair kits out of ...

[neat vortex]

More economical in what way?

[floral talon]

it sultra cheap

[neat vortex]

Not cheaper than repair kits, as far as I can tell

[floral talon]

ok il make repair kits form now on jez

[neat vortex]

Do what you want! We need more gold sinks...

[floral talon]

but i never hti goldcap

[neat vortex]

Oh. Well, uh, in that case, you definitely may want to consider making the repair kits with any excess materials, because the cost of the crafted kits is cheaper per unit of repair than it is to repair with gold.

[neat vortex]

I'm still working on this but haven't come up with anything I'm completely happy with, yet

[floral talon]

is niala low level by anyc hance

[neat vortex]

This is the best I've managed so far, but it would require a lot of HB fertilizer (from worm/glow worm farms) to be very good; it's based on the 2 apple/2 bush afk layout, but that one tends to assume higher level gardening and forces a big tradeoff when you try to put in cotton instead. So it depends on your fertilizer access, essentially.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoOBkPTPBkOCo-OPTBBBkBBO-CoBkTPOPTBkCo-AAAAAAAAA-CoOTPBkPTOCo-RBkTPOPTBkR-CoBkTPOPTBkCo-OBBBkBBTPO-CoOBkPTPBkOCo

^ This does have QU on all the trees and bushes. You can probably shove a pepper bush in the right side middle plot, as well.

[wind frost]

Gardening sciatica 🤣

[formal osprey]

do i grow an apple tree ?

[floral talon]

wb neni

[formal osprey]

i know that i need apples for pie later?

how many harvests should i do before i chop it (i hate it)

[fading aspen]

how long does fertilizer last?

[floral talon]

1 per tile per growthtick is consumed if it gets the buff form the fert

[fading aspen]

i see, for QU do ineed to put it on every day or only like, the day before harvest

[floral talon]

a buff dont take effect unles its on there on growthtick so for getting buffs from fert put like 5 on a plant that has 5 growthticsk

[neat vortex]

QualityUp and HarvestBoost are basically stacking chances to proc the bonus

[floral talon]

in practice we want hte odds ot be 100% just cuz we can

[neat vortex]

To have a 100% chance of the bonus, you need fertilizer on the plant every day the plant is growing (as in, what DuhScape said)

Fortunately, you can stack up fertilizer on a plant so you don't have to manually apply it every day

Personally, I just throw a whole 99 on whatever plant I need fertilized and then top it up periodically

[fading aspen]

i see, good to know!

gettng some QU on the layout i sent earlier since theres no cotton boosting it

[neat vortex]

It stays in the soil between replantings (except on multi-tile crops, in which case it refunds the fertilizer to you and you have to reapply it; but that's quick)

Blueberry jam in a regular worm farm is probably one of the more efficient/cheaper ways of getting QU fert

(straight sweet leaf in a glow worm farm might be strictly cheaper, but the opportunity cost on sweet leaf is very high if you need it for cake parties)

then again, if you've got cakes anyway.... could use those

[floral talon]

sweet leaf is to time costly to gather as such u realistically will never worm any foragable that isnt mountian morrels (or when u gathered way to much and need to clean storage but not from sweetleaf)

[neat vortex]

idk I use green onion, too XD and oysters

but otherwise, yeah, they are over the profitabiity threshold

Here's this if you want to do your own math:

Arenvanya's Fertilizer Outcomes sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854

Keep in mind that when you are planning to use the fertilizer (and/or the worms), higher "profit" (value added) translates to more worms and fertilizer for your money (the input value)

just note that you'll probably want to consult the specific sheets for cooked dishes, because they can vary in sell value according to what ingredients you use for the variables (Any Meat, Any Vegetable, Any Mushroom, etc. etc.) and which one made it onto the big sheet can vary, I think

[floral talon]

realistically theres very few items u will actually worm

[neat vortex]

Depends on the person and how they like to spend their time/how many (glow) worm farms they want to dedicate crafters to, but, in my personal practice, yes

DuhScape, you have relatively low playtime to idle time, so cheaper items are great for keeping you stocked; but as that ratio scales up, you can rack up more growth ticks than you have real-time hours to produce fertilizer, depending how many tiles require it and how many fertilizer per hour you're producing. Then you either need to up your yield per hour (increasing your costs) or increase your number of crafter slots dedicated to fertilizer production (not always feasible — but that's my strategy since I'm not a super enthusiastic miner/logger)

[floral talon]

yes but im also only using like 4 crafter at a time i can scale way up when i need to but to endgame now to bother being oonline much

[neat vortex]

I may need you to run the second half of that sentence by me again, please

[floral talon]

im at endgame i got almost nothing left to do hence im not more online then to get my daily zeki coin

[neat vortex]

Meanwhile, I'm definitely an edge case over here, but...

I log ~10-16 growth ticks per RL day most days, unless I have stuff that takes me out of the house <_<;; and my incredibly silly layout wants 45 fertilizer per growth tick. So, that's 450-720 fertilizer per RL day.

I've got 4 glow worm farms on meat and cheap forageables (and occasionally guild medal soup) with yields of 3-4 HB/hr each (total 12-16/hr), plus one worm farm eating pickled onions (9 HB/hr), for a production range of 504-600 HB/RL day, assuming I keep them running 24/7 — which I do try to do.

So, I'm running a deficit on those weeks when I am mostly home and online, unless I either supplement with grilled fish or set my 2 "swappable" crafter slots as worm farms eating excess onions (or whatever). 😂

(And funnily, the days when I don't feel well enough to play are probably what saves me most of the time.)

Hilariously, this plus my kitsuu gleefully handing me arrows is my major prompt to go hunting XD

[floral talon]

kitsuu pays for all my arrows cuz i only weekly hunt

[neat vortex]

RIP store-bought morels... (they still work but they're not awesome)

[floral talon]

i mean if u hunt they are just bought meats worm wise

[neat vortex]

er, say what?

[floral talon]

they are practically same item when dumping into wormers

[neat vortex]

How so?

[floral talon]

they bought get rounded up and same sale value more or less

[neat vortex]

Morels cost 22g each at the General Store, and they generate 40g in a glow worm farm (1 glow worm, 3 HB), for a value added of +18g. Which is not, like... horrible, I guess, but before 0.180 they used to cost 16g at the store, and +24g is very respectable.

Meanwhile, now unstarred sernuk and muujin meat sell for 16g and generate 45g in a glow worm farm (1 glow worm, 4 HB), or +29g. (Morels, green onion, and oyster meat, starred and unstarred, get the same value added per hour if you gathered them yourself instead of buying them at double their sell price.)

Unstarred chapaa meat is the odd one out, at 15g sell value and 40g output, for +25g — which is still very good, obviously.

Grilled fish tops out at +20g, meanwhile (for same-value fishes, at least; haven't calculated all the possible permutations of fish combos, and that's a pain to do on purpose, anyway).

Other higher-value dishes top out at +24g because they are past the "can get back more than you put in" breakpoint.

(So, the only real reason to use cooked dishes in most cases is if you really need the higher yield.)

So, uhhhh.... I don't consider store-bought morels and hunted meat to be in the same league whatsover.

[floral talon]

they are hte hunting mets for vegans 😄

[neat vortex]

I'd argue that that's more properly starred morels/oysters/green onion XD which have the exact same input values and yields as unstarred sernuk/muujin meat.

Okay, not the oysters, for vegans, sorry...

[floral talon]

yeay but those shrooms and meats are bulkable oysters green onions are alot harder to bulk

[neat vortex]

I heartily disagree, as green onions and oysters WILL stack up on me in a hurry if I don't pay attention. :D But you're not wrong, either

[floral talon]

ok apparently poeple can bulk those 2 then but less likely

[neat vortex]

It's a "use what you've got" situation, I think

If you're cozy-hunting/mining in eastern Kilima, you get SO many green onions (AND mushrooms, actually, so double whammy)

If you're searching for that dang pebble that's in oysters, or fishing up and down the coast, you'll end up with a lot of those

[floral talon]

ok back to gardening talk

[neat vortex]

RIGHT, yes, anyway, many good, cheap options for getting HB fert if you need it....

Oh, I just discovered something VERY funny

1 apple tree, 2 blueberry bushes, over 180 growth ticks, right?

100% QualityUp, no harvest boost

100% HarvestBoost, no quality up

[floral talon]

glitch in planner 😮

[neat vortex]

Nah

At level 10 you already have base 70% oops, misread something, 45% base chance for starred produce

So it's +30% star chance vs +50% yield (at 45% starred)

This is using starred seeds, though

Lemme see how it goes with NQ (normal quality) seeds, not that you will have those for very long; only one harvest

[ashen garden]

? i cant tell if this is sarcasm/if not what do you mean

[ashen garden]

oh its a pokemon collector thing

[ashen garden]

it's intended to be alternated with a 6 apple layout, its just that this one is conveniently both + you can swap out for other crops if not needed, and idt theres any layout that does 6 apples and also some blueberries without screwing the apple buffs

[neat vortex]

Without starred seeds, level 10, 180 growth ticks on 1 apple tree and 2 blueberry bushes
100% QualityUp
(...LOL except this isn't subtracting from your yield to make seeds, because of course you can't do that if you're only getting star crops - now THAT'S a glitch)

100% HarvestBoost (without starred seeds)

But, basically, if you plant that first one of each unstarred and then immediately turn around and make starred seeds, you're in good shape at level 10

[ashen garden]

yeah those issues have bedevilled me since i started this game months and months ago im cursed i tell you. also, i personally dislike cross-plot layouts a LOT because then i cant move stuff, so none of my invented layouts ever use cross the 3x3 like that does, which is definitely a personal choice, and i do give up some efficiency for that - the 6 apple is probably the only exception, and actually locks the entire setup in one place

[neat vortex]

I'm with you on the hating to place bushes/trees cross-plot; it does kind of lock you in ><;

[ashen garden]

that 99% harvest is so tragic

[ashen garden]

also yeah using hydrofert is TOXICCCC

[neat vortex]

well I'm not sure I'd go THAT far XD but also I'm a homebody and hate leaving the house

[ashen garden]

works on two levels

[neat vortex]

Right? lmao

[floral talon]

nah u can make actual layouts gj
(not everyone can)

[ashen garden]

why did you think i couldnt 😭 ive posted others before that are legit i just refuse to use fertliser lol

[floral talon]

idk usually when ren answers questions its 50+ messages and i aint reading that

[ashen garden]

rip called out

[neat vortex]

Okay, I did my best! With this I prioritized symmetry and ease as well as 100% self-watering/weeding. Some notes:

• use starred seeds as that will bump your star rate up to 70% before any quality buffs! Save your starred produce and make seeds from them to replant as soon as you can.

SWAPS:
I made it so the weeders (bok choy and onion) and the waterers (tomato and potato) have equal numbers of each, but you can tweak the ratios to your preferences.

• IF you're just selling everything, favor more bok choy over onion (as long as every bok choy has a buddy)
• IF you're wanting to weight toward less replanting, then favor more tomatoes.
• Cotton can be subbed out for more rice or any grain; rice can be swapped for any other grain
• Peppers can be swapped out for another blueberry bush
• You can also substitute carrots (for bok choy OR onion) or napa cabbage (for potatoes OR tomatoes) depending on your preferences/needs. I chose onion because (a) it's used more in cooking (including poke) and (b) you can feed some of the pickled onions to regular worms for a little more income and/or fertilizer, if you have crafter slots to spare.

FERTILIZER: You can optionally put HarvestBoost fertiizer on anything that doesn't already have the buff, or QualityUp ditto.

PROCESSING: seed bok choy, potatoes, and anything you can't preserve. Jar everything else after making your seeds to replant and saving what you want to use for cooking.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OTPBkBBPBB-OTRBkPBkRTO-CoOPTBkTPOCo-TPRBkOBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkOBkRPT-CoOTPBkPTOCo-OTRBkPBkRTO-SpSpPSpSpBkPTO

[neat vortex]

You ignore me 'cause you love me, I know ✨

[slow flame]

holy guacamoly my dude,thank you from the bottom of my heart! appreciate it a lot

[neat vortex]

There are probably better layouts out there for different aspects of what you were looking for (profit, weed/water, fruit for parties, maximizing reharvestable plants, optimizing for your level, etc.) but this one is... hopefully balanced enough.

If you decide you'd like to add another apple tree later, let me know, because I have another version of this layout that is 2 apple trees and 2 bushes (and gets much better harvest boost numbers)

And, of course, PLEASE feel free to play around with it and see if there's any changes you might like better, or a better way to do things for you! It's your garden, and a garden you dread is a garden that's not making you any money :) So it has to work for you first and foremost.

[neat vortex]

Just for grins... here's a version blending DS's "weave-in" concept with the one I just linked: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrTPRSpSpPSpSp-CrTCoRPRCoTCr-PCrCoTRTCoCrP-TPCoRCrRCoPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCoRCrRCoPT-TCrCoPRPCoCrT-CrTCoRPRCoTCr-SpSpPSpSpRPTCr
Obviously, this one has no weed protection and no blueberries, but it was an interesting experiment.

[floral talon]

i hereby declare ren is hte shep of this channel gl ren go give poeple advice

[neat vortex]

Hey try this one out 😂 https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-O.HBkT.HPR.HBkT.HSpSp-P.HOBk.HORTBBP-NNNA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HPO.HBkRPOBB-Bk.HTP.HTR.HOSpSpBk.H-Bk.HSpSpOR.HTP.HTBk.H-BBOPRBkO.HPT.H-A.HA.HA.HNNNNNN-PBBTROBk.HOP.H-SpSpT.HBkR.HP.HT.HBkO.H

[neat vortex]

cc @fading aspen

[ashen garden]

CURSED

repent sinner lest ye be cast down by the gods for your hubris

[gusty rock]

Im end game so i just use my farm for money and worms. I grow potatoes to sell and then tomatoes to feed my glow worm farms so i can fish for makeshift items. I have a couple apple trees for jamming still idk if that makes me that much money but i use it too since i dont wanna get rid of them. Im doing pretty decent but i feel like i could make more profit...What do you guys think

[floral talon]

tomatoes are actually not that good of a plant though

for complicated reasons im not gonna bother explaining XD cabbage is so nice

if ur gonna worm stuff worm higher value items like apple jam or girlled fish cuz what else do u do u use ur fish for give more output for hte same crafter time

[floral talon]

show layout

[floral talon]

but u can stay on tomatoe if u like em

[neat vortex]

A lot of this will depend on your playtime to idle time ratio and how much you are willing to check in on your garden/how much you hate the replanting process.

Can you tell us more about how you would ideally like to interact with your garden/what your online time looks like?

[neat vortex]

I'm a bit skeptical about apple jam in a glow worm farm. Isn't it sweet stuff, so it gives a giant pile of 2g QualityUp? I feel like that would jam up the works MUCH too fast to be a good choice for overnight

[floral talon]

i mean its a great choice for getting worms if for some reason u dont grill ur fish
or for getting quality up fert or for seconds processing apple farms $_$ stonks

[neat vortex]

It's true that it does get you a pile of qualityup fertilizer if you need that.

144g input value -> 42 QU and 3 glow worms per starred apple jam (+15g value added per unit). The farm will stall after 12 units or so if you don't clear it out, so that's, hm, 36 glow worms? since they're 3 per jam.

[floral talon]

really i though starred apples was more then 144

[neat vortex]

My usual pick for garden produce for faster glow worm production is pickled corn, which also gains 15g per unit in a glow worm farm, but will run unattended for a full hopper's worth (31)

[floral talon]

😮 thats smart but u do check back every 20-28 hours

[neat vortex]

Some people do! Some can only play a few days a week. It depends.

I really want to build a calculator

[floral talon]

oh great now i get more sheets for my spreadsheet collection ...

[neat vortex]

XD

like... put in your set of crafters. Put in your input amount and item in each. Put in how long you will be away.

And then it tells you if something finished processing the inputs or jammed, and how much value added your crafters produced while you were gone.

[floral talon]

just put a cap on how long it can process unattended

[neat vortex]

Well yeah, everything has a cap. It's either the hopper capacity divided by the recipe times the crafter time, or the output bin capacity divided by the output count(s) (slightly more complicated than that but yeah)

[floral talon]

make hte output the following output per hour
output if kept running X hours
max unattended time
max unattended output

[neat vortex]

Exactly, I think

[floral talon]

i mean i would personally like to go nuts and give some alternative playstyle and live scenarios wiht a little dail planner to show ur intervals and how much u would hten realistically get
but i think that would be overkill and poeple wouldnt understand how to use it\

[neat vortex]

Like for flow wood processing, it'll run out of hopper before it runs out of bin space, and it's done with a full hopper after 4 hours 20 minutes in a heavy sawmill.

+42g/hr or something, but if you let it run overnight, say 9 hours, 4 hr 40min is "dead time"

so your production effectively drops to ~21g/hr. If it's a choice between "pull up your glow worms running sernuk meat and morels" or "sell the flow wood unprocessed" (assuming you'd sell it anyway, and not use it; this is purely looking at gold and not utility obvs.) then it makes more sense to sell the wood

[floral talon]

lets ignore import substitution for now to

[neat vortex]

😂

like, going out to the blacksmith and buying your bricks etc.?

[floral talon]

yes

[neat vortex]

tbh I think about that as well...

I kinda stopped processing sapwood planks :x

[floral talon]

look do import substitution later

[neat vortex]

xDDD

(thanks for the new vocab term btw)

[floral talon]

idk what other phrase to use so i just used the macro economic one that already exists
man i love geopolitics

[neat vortex]

I was originally going to major in economics, way back when

Then I looked at the degree plan and all the higher-level classes and violently did not care, so I majored in English instead

(which is to say: I'm sure I'm reinventing the wheel on a lot of this stuff)

[ashen garden]

💀

[ashen garden]

i mean we could kinda tell both the economics and the english part

[neat vortex]

ooh, burn 😂

[ashen garden]

[neat vortex]

Yeah, guess it's pretty obvious :)

Anyway, my point is that I definitely don't know everything and I'm always happy to be shown an angle on something I hadn't considered

Like the virtues of cabbage!

[floral talon]

• yeay CABBAGE
  ALL HAIL BRASSICA PRIME!!!

[neat vortex]

I love brassicas.....