🌱│gardening

[trim shadow]

Yeah I don't get crazy sweaty with it I think someone ran the numbers and the money per cycle is negligible as long as your consistently farming and pickling something

[wary finch]

I agree to that, xenu.

what I was pointing out was that pickling and seeding is not per se the best income per time unit, if most of the crop is sitting in jars waiting to be processed.

[trim shadow]

I have basically two apple trees always going and 2 blueberrys and 2 spicy peppers. everything else is whatever seeds I have or are running low on it my stockpile for cooking. I keep one barrel just for making star apple jam and thats pretty much how I do it. I honestly have more money than I know what to do with

[wary finch]

exactly, you are doing well.

[nova yoke]

Star apple jam is my main money maker. I just have 5 or 6 apple trees, then always keep spots open for other stuff I may need. I have like 120 of most crops so I likely will not need more than that, unless they're used often.

[wary finch]

I can see if you like gambling you can invest in zeki's coins, but I have no interest in that and the money cap is 300k, and nothing worth buying with it.

[trim shadow]

The thing that I found interesting is I only have 8 soil patches and It's honestly all I really need I feel like if I go bigger than that it's not worth it just farming for the sake of farming I guess

[wary finch]

that weirdly placed 9th plot in my layout (shifted by one tile upwards) is quite helpful though, but I have as well useful layouts with 2x2 and 2 rows a 2/3 separated from each other. There are many ways to do it.

[nova yoke]

I usually just do the 3 by 3, for convenience. I don't normally mess with the fancy formation

[trim shadow]

Mines done for esthetics not for efficiency

[wary finch]

it is easy to water, one row up and one row down 🙂

[trim shadow]

I should probably do that tho

[wary finch]

mine as well, it is located in a forest clearing nicely integrated into the forest near the pond.

[trim shadow]

I have mine centered around an oak tree where I keep my seed collectors and chest for seeds and it's in like a cross

Super inefficient

[wary finch]

and in the background a bit far out is my windmill, it looks really lovely

[trim shadow]

I'm waiting to go super hard on my esthetics I wanna use my renown to max out focus I've only bought like 3 or 4 extra land

[wary finch]

this character has bought jsut one, so I have 3 with 15 room houses on each, but without a garden they look so useless.

[trim shadow]

I'm a big fan of my food room so I've just stacked as many dining room tables as I could end to end and am I'm trying to display every food in the game on it

[wary finch]

that is like my bug collection, which I really love.

[trim shadow]

Yeah I'm gonna do it with bugs and fish too make and an aquarium and apiary

I wish you could actually do that yknow

Like designate a room as an aquarium put them all in one big tank

It'd probably be a lot of work for the devs tho

[wary finch]

they need to fix thsoe bugs first, the last patch has introduced new ones, none of my machines has particle animation and sounds anymore.

[trim shadow]

Oh yeah

I tend to look past those cuz I speedrun old zelda games so games being glitchy and buggy is just the norm for me

[wary finch]

but it's the sound of money, all that noisy machinery at my workplace 🙂

I miss that

I am currently with support in contact because some of my crop is loosing or consuming fertilizer as well at 6pm, could be a display error as well ofc.

support is very eager to get behind the problem, I really appreciate that attitude of S6

[trim shadow]

I have had no bad experiences with then but I've had no real direct contact with the team

I just really like their game

[wary finch]

Reese is my contact, very polite person who reacts to further input nearly immediately.

I'm not complaining either, but try to support their efforts to find the source of the problem.

Reese said something interesting to me, when I showed my garden layout in regards to quality boost, which shows 100% in the planner app. It was said that it doesn't reflect exactly how that boost works, for lower level players it might still generate some non-starred produce. So I guess that not 100% is added but a lower value, which just matters at lower skill levels.

[nova yoke]

It's essentially like a 60% boost to the chance
And your quality is boosted per level + 2

[wary finch]

ah have you tested that?

well I have 2 characters below 20, I will pay attention to that, thank you.

[nova yoke]

Don't quote the percentage, but it's just to give an idea.

[velvet raven]

is anyone eles experiencing a full stack of used fertilizer disappearing from a plot?

[wary finch]

I am in contact with support because some of my crops are loosing fertilizer at 6pm as well as at 6am, but I fertilize just 1 unit, maybe that is related

In case you want to reach out to support, my support guy is called Reese, maybe it would be good, if he gets to know about your issue as well.

It would be helpful, if you would find out, if it happens at the 6pm tick.

[wary finch]

thanks, I will try, with my 2 other characters, to find out, at which level they get consistently starred produce with quality upgrade fertilizer.

[wary finch]

I included your issue (copy of your message here) in my support ticket to S6 and let them know.

[velvet raven]

oh, thank you

i haven't looked at the exact times, but i return to my plot after a day to see that all 96 speedygro on my blueberry bush has disappeared. it's only that one bush, none of my other plants are affected

[wary finch]

I had this issue on one or more, the amount is not consistent though.

[velvet raven]

the first time i thought i'd just forgotten to replace it, but then it happened twice more. 300 fert gone just like that

[wary finch]

same but you haven't, it is an issue which they will try to figure out. Reese, my support guy, is really communicative in the matter, because it seems to be a new issue just happening since the patch.

[velvet raven]

i'll check if it's to do with time like yours

[wary finch]

hm, you said on your bush, I have this problem as well just on bush spots.

just out of curiosity, is it the left-most bush on your layout?

[velvet raven]

nope, it's this one in the center (nothing happened at 6pm)

[wary finch]

oh boy, this will be really hard for them to figure out, if it is that random.

[velvet raven]

it's a mirrored layout, too, and the matching blueberry bush on the other side doesn't have this problem, nor do any of the other four

[wary finch]

at least we know now, that it is not just a display error, otherwise you couldn't reapply that many fertilzer units.

I hope Reese will have a look at this channel, it might be helpful to the team.

[velvet raven]

just tested and the fert goes away the moment i leave plot

[wary finch]

oha, that's even more strange.

I will forward your experience when I'll add something to my open ticket on the weekend.

[velvet raven]

appreciate it!

[thorny cradle]

damn kinda crazy how the worm farm is better then the glow worm in allmost every produce :/

[wary finch]

hm, this would be my new layout for an everything garden with apples for my weirdly shaped garden with 3 apple trees. Post-processed calculated over 360 days it would be 5275/day. Not that many veggies though, but over time they add up.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-R.QB.QB.QO.QB.QB.QR.QBkA-CoSp.QSp.QRSp.QSp.QAAR-AAAAAAAAA-B.QB.QCo.QB.QB.QRRAA-NNNNNNAR.QCr.Q-Sp.QSp.QASp.QSp.QACoRBk.Q-AABAABC.QRCo.Q-BRSp.QBCoSp.QWPT-Sp.QAASp.QAACbWCo.Q-AB.QB.QAB.QB.QNNN

I think it is somewhat ok, I'll need about 300k for every home plot I'll buy and that would yield enough for 5 of those within an ingame year.

I have still to figure out, what the best amount of seeders and jars is, which grants both, quick money from direct bulk sales and med-term offline income as well.

[steel kelp]

Is there an updated farming layout yet with the new crops??

[wary finch]

it is already updated

Aiden has done it within about an hour or so.

[steel kelp]

I don't know who Aiden is

[acoustic laurel]

That's the person who made the garden planner https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[wary finch]

and the house planner as well, which is still wip

but it has those bay windows already

[acoustic laurel]

Oh nice! I was wondering when those would be added

[wary finch]

it is good enough to plan the first housing plot, but for others the price calculation is incorrect, because it doesn't take into account, what you already bought on former plots.

those room prices are ever increasing afaik, the more you buy, the higher these prices get.

it is still nice as well for other housing plots, because you can see, how much material is required to build it, so you can plan, how many trees to cut and nodes to mine early on.

[wise garden]

Anyone knows how much glow worms does the new onion and ginger give?

[frozen cobalt]

Any way to get normal veggies to grow?!! I'm a 41 and all I get are 🌟 veggies even when I have plants of no star growing.. and my plots are not placed next to each other

[dusty kayak]

at level 25 you are maxed out on the chance for starred seeds to be starrred, and at your current level it is probably likely even regular seeds are starred but that maxes out at 50 so right now if you only use regular seeds you MAY get some non starred

you can try planting the entire thing one crop with regular seeds lol

[thorny cradle]

if ur asking like me due to cooking, then this is a issue, they need to make the option to allow us to use stared or non stared individualy, they also need to make sure it saves ur last choices, its anoying having to select stared and the specific ingredients every time T.T

[dusty kayak]

i usually put things in the lock box
like you need blueberry to start cake but you want to use apples for frosting for more profit so i put all my blueberries in lockbox except one but then yknow you're going back and forth to the lock box for 1 blueberry every time

[thorny cradle]

yeah its annoying right now, also the gifting option, if someone requests seeds, really annoying that i cant give them my stared ones

[dusty kayak]

that is a bug i think, ive seen it mentioned as a bug
just one of those lower problem bugs they might take a while to get to

[thorny cradle]

i mostly just want cooking, to remamber my last used options, and the ability to individualy select stared or non stared stuff, not forced

the game clearly uses non stared stuff if u run out of them

why not give me the choice to do it how i want it not forced

i would like to maintain a stock of some stared stuff

but this way i am forced to burn trough the rarer stared ones

[clear kindle]

i just want more farm plots to set up another garden that i don't have to do anything with besides picking the blueberries and spicy peppers (so weed prevention/water retention fert/ harvest boost)

i don't mind buying a few items from the badruu's farm

[dreamy pilot]

do weeds have any drawbacks for the crops? Or is trying to prevent them just a waste of time

[acoustic laurel]

They stop your crops from being watered which stops them from growing

[dreamy pilot]

got it, thanks

[vivid hollow]

I have a question about Harvest Boost fertilizer. Do I need to put it on like every day before harvest to get more crops? Does it stack so if I do it every day i get more and more, or do I do it every day to increase the chances of getting like 3 instead of 2 potatoes

[nova yoke]

Bok choy seems to give 1 glow worm and 9 fertilizer. Still need to test the cabbage

The starred cabbage is 90 gold though, so it may be better than the tomato.

(Though seeding the cabbage is also 90 gold, so it's an even selling.)
So almost as good as the potato.

[ashen flint]

What's the most money efficient layout with 6x9 plot? I don't have apples or Blueberries yet.
Or should I just do all potatoes lol

[quick gulch]

How do you untill tilled squares on the garden square? I want to pick it up

[ashen flint]

I still pick up my soil with tilled soil and vegetables on it. But as far as untilling I haven't seen it happen yet. The squares just disappear after a few days.

[quick gulch]

I mean to like, pick it up in my inventory so i can reset my fertilizer ... so just have to wait for it to fade off, alright.

[pine peak]

If you want to change the fertilizer you can just put the new one on top

[nova yoke]

Probably do a blueberry farm layout, but replace the blue berries with spicy peppers. At the very bottom of Zeki's shop.

Aka something like this, if you want full automation.

Changing out the onions or maybe tomatoes with the new crops if preferred

[wise garden]

how much glow worms does the potato or tomato give?

[nova yoke]

Potato gives two, tomato gives one.

Potatoes are by far the best in my opinion though

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

fertilizer guide

[nova yoke]

⭐ Pickled cabbage gives 1 glow worm and 9 fertilizer.
⭐ Pickled choy gives 1 glow and 6 fertilizer.

Haven't tried unstarred variants since i literally don't have any-

[dusty kayak]

oh yeah need to get them to add stuff to the list

[lofty pivot]

does anyone have apple tree plots?

[dusty kayak]

raises hand

[twilit grotto]

does anyone know how long cabbage takes to grow? 👀 mines been growing for a full 24 hours (irl)

[cobalt knoll]

Suppose to be 6 days.

[acoustic laurel]

Crops don't fully grow when you're offline, only one tick

[twilit grotto]

ok thank you ☺️

[mystic trail]

the new crops are more worth than the seeds!

same with the cabbage

[mystic trail]

You could arrange it to be full water retained!

[brave rover]

Does anyone have any different garden plot layouts/designs? I want to use 8 plots (my 9th is been used as an apple tree for aesthetics)

hopefully earning the most income possible with 100% water at least!

[dusty kayak]

i just water only the trees myself so i can just do harvest boosting (watering harvest boost until gully grown then leaving it there forever)

[silver thunder]

Here is the base layout for my everything garden that I have been using for a while. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11011_CROPS-NNNNBBNBB-AAAAAAAAA-NNNNNNNNN-AAAAAAAAA-NNNBBNBBN-NSpSpNSpSpNNN-BBNBBNNNN-NBBNBBNNN-SpSpNSpSpNNNN

It was easy to adatp to the new crops, I tinker with it often. This is what I'm currently using, with a goal to have a little bit of everything: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11011_CROPS-CrWRTBBCbBB-AAAAAAAAA-BkCoBkRCrWBkCoBk-AAAAAAAAA-RWCrBBTBBCb-PSpSpCSpSpCrCP-BBRBBWCbTCr-RBBWBBCrTCb-SpSpPSpSpOPOCr

[worldly musk]

i have a garden layout with 100% water retain and 100% weed prevention and every plant in the game planted!

obviously if you don't have that many seeds of the new plants or don't have a need for so much rice or somthing - as long as you're planting 2 crops with the same boost you can change it up without any drastic changes and you'll be fine

if anyone has another one that meets that criteria but is maybe a little less chaotic i would love to see it!

this is the link to it https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTOOWRCOP-CTPOWOTRBk-TBBCBBTPO-TBkTPWRCPO-AAAAAAAAA-PTBkCOCCbPT-OTCSpSpCbSpSpO-BkPCrPTOBkCoP-OBkPCWCbCbBkO

[cobalt knoll]

Does a star seed guarantee a star crop?

[worldly musk]

it guarantees most or at least half the crops to be star quality but not all

[cobalt knoll]

mkay ty

[polar pasture]

hello ther i'm all new to this game and I need help👉 👈

[worldly musk]

hi! what would you like us to help you with?:)

[polar pasture]

I don't know how to fill the watering can to water my plants

[gray knot]

What's the best seed to grow to sell for best profit? I'm not preserving them as I can't yet

[worldly musk]

are you on pc or switch? walk to the nearest body of water (i recommend the shallow tiny pond on your lot because it's closer) and if you're on pc right click hold

[polar pasture]

When I click hold the game tells me that my watering can is empty

[worldly musk]

if you're on switch idk what the equivalent is but you have to stand over the water, like your character's feet should be wet

[polar pasture]

I'm on pc

[worldly musk]

the other side of the mouse then?

[polar pasture]

Let me try

It's not working 😭

[worldly musk]

apples! other than that potato and cotton sell for the most

[gray knot]

Jump then try to fill it up again

[gray knot]

I don't currently have apples yet

[shell pendant]

Is anyone else glitching while watering?

[polar pasture]

Not working also

[worldly musk]

then potatoes and cotton, they sell for the same price! and i think they grow the same number of days

[worldly musk]

that's so weird... are you able to switch out arrows on your bow/kind of smoke bombs you use/worms on your fishing rod? i mean if you're able to open that little menu, should be right click/hold as well

[polar pasture]

My bad I had to use the right click thank youuuu

[worldly musk]

it's so confusing right😭 because we're used to right being what we use more but we use the left one more on the mouse

i'm glad it works! i was about to recommend you go through keybindings but luckily you don't have to

[polar pasture]

Well actually I never really played video game on pc so it's my first time playing on a game like that

[worldly musk]

oh yeah so everything is pretty confusing then, isn't it?

feel free to reach out to me if you ever struggle with something!! i really don't mind

[polar pasture]

Yes completely I'm not used to play with the keyboard it's very confusing 😭

[polar pasture]

Oh thank you, that's very nice of you really

[worldly musk]

you'll get used to it!! luckily you chose a game focused on community so you'll mostly encounter people willing to help or explain whenever they can!

[worldly musk]

anytime!

[polar pasture]

I tried borderland but it was wayyyy to complicated to me

[worldly musk]

i've never played that!

[polar pasture]

I like the graphics but I think that when you're a beginner like me it's not the best thing to start with

[worldly musk]

i think palia is a good choice because you're never really in a rush. it's a chill game. if it takes you a while to finish a quest because you haven't figured something out yet it's okay, the quest will simply wait for you!

[polar pasture]

Oh okok, well now I have another question 😭

[worldly musk]

ask away!

[dusty kayak]

can i add this to a doc of mine
with credit to you
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[polar pasture]

How I do to place the foundations of the house

Also I'm french so don't mind me if I do some mistakes 😅

[worldly musk]

for sure! it's very chaotic tho and i've seen some less chaotic ones in media of this channel!:) but yeah feel free to add mine!

[dusty kayak]

I like yours

[worldly musk]

if you already bought it, press H to get into the overhead menu once you're in your housing slot. you'll see it in the menu and when you place it you'll need to contribute material to it and it will be built

[worldly musk]

i'm honored<3 sometimes chaotic is good hehehe

[polar pasture]

Ok thank you

[crystal umbra]

I tried my hand at making a 100% water retain. With heavy focus on apples and blueberries. Very little time spent replanting crops every day.
Only runs water retain fertilizer on center tomato
Thought i could share and see if anyone has any advice.

[gilded arch]

may i know if someone knows how garden works? i just come back to look at my garden and it usually grows as long as water retain is active but today i woke up n my garden didnt progress past 1 cycle of the grow.

[clear kindle]

were you offline? crops only grow one growth cycle while offline

[gilded arch]

yea i was offline, but i notice before this, so long as I have water retain active, the garden will keep on growing since ill see the fertilizer goes down for how many hours ive gone, is it bug on my end?

[clear kindle]

not sure about the fertilizer still being used, maybe someone else knows a bit more about that and being offline

[verbal saffron]

when you hit lvl 25, all your crops will be star quality. just saw this as i got in this channel lol

[cobalt knoll]

Well I'm lvl 26 so awesome thanks~

[verbal saffron]

[dusty kayak]

With star seeds to clarify

Level 50 it will work with regular seeds

[upper mist]

starseeds = lvl 25 regular seeds is somewhere between 30-35

[cinder pier]

What’s the best way to use blueberries? I have soo many

[crystal umbra]

I toss them in preserving jars.

[wary finch]

elegant solution, I like how you applied the speed boost to the apple trees, whilst still leaving 6 open slots at each apple tree to apply 2 more boosts, which could as well be weed prevention instead of water retain, really nice layout.

[crystal umbra]

@wary finch thank you, I was so excited when I got everything to line up. And definitely can switch out water retain for weed prevention. Haven't thought about doing that. Watering daily isn't to much hassle compared to missing weeds and throwing all the timings off lol

[nova yoke]

Yeah it's a pain, especially for apple trees because it's difficult to tell if a weed spawned in the center of it.

Then gets obscured by blueberry bushes.

[lethal lagoon]

Who’s noticed there isn’t an achievement for harvesting the new crops…..I’ve grown almost 50 quality napa and turned them into kimchi

[kindred fiber]

Why does it take onion 24 minutes to make into seeds while Bok Choy takes an hour and 12 minutes when they do the exact same thing?

[nova yoke]

Because jarred boy chok is used in cooking recipes

Also it gives more seeds than onions I think? I don't remember the onion conversion.

[kindred fiber]

Nope. Gives the same amount of seeds.

[wary finch]

@crystal umbra this inspired me to make a layout for 6 blueberry bushes and 4 apple trees for my weirdly shaped garden. Turns out to gain 5.1k/day calculated over 360 days. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrCoCrA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-CoB.QB.QRB.QB.QCrA.QA.Q-RB.QB.QCrB.QB.QA.QA.QA.Q-NNNNNNA.QWR-A.QA.QA.QB.QB.QRB.QB.QW-B.QB.QB.QB.QB.QB.QCrCoCr-B.QA.QA.QB.QA.QA.QCoWCr-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QCoCrW-A.QB.QB.QA.QB.QB.QNNN

pickled corn is my food, that is why all starred harvest boost spots are corn.

well. 2 of them should be wheat, because they aren't starred, anyway.

I'm really reluctant to go for a 3x3 layout, because it wouldn't fit as nicely into my farming area as my weirdly shaped garden does.

[haughty geyser]

Then dont… you might need work more on it but if you like the look better

[wary finch]

btw has anyone else experienced disappearing fertilizers at one or more farming plots? So far I could verify that it can happen when leaving the farm (or maybe returning to it), I'm in contact with support about the issue and it would really be helpful, if I would know about other such cases.

[wary finch]

it isn't much more work, it is just a different way to place things, but with some practice my layouts work pretty well - 5k/day range.

[haughty geyser]

Thats very Nice… I havnt calculayed my but it works for me

[lethal bough]

not sure if allowed but can i just say if you want a nice and easy way to make money, red onions are were its at 🤑

[kindred fiber]

I recommend pickled onions then sell.

[lethal bough]

yeah i still have onions pickling and more onions in my inventory just wanted money ahah

[kindred fiber]

Fair enough! 🤣

[wary finch]

this is not a bad strategy, @lethal bough, seen in income per time unit one has to see that lots of crops waiting in jars to be processed reduce the income per time unit, not the total income, which would be 50% higher, but the income per time unit.

[lethal bough]

thats what i was thinking too and by the time more onions grow in my garden i can just sell and re fill my preserve machines

[wary finch]

I made kind of an essay here in this channel about it yesterday, if you scroll back you might find it, calculated it even.

[kindred fiber]

What about using the onion in crab pot pie for vampire crabs?

[wary finch]

I was referring to something else here, say you have 31 onions and put them in a jar, 1 is processed immediately, 30 are waiting, so how long do they wait in average? that is sum over n from 1 to 30 divided by 31 = 15 days - which dwarfs those 50% gain of the preservation process - seen in income per time unit it is a loss to let stuff wait an average of 15 days to be processed.

it is less problematic with faster processed stuff,but more dramatic with what is mostly preserved.

that is why @lethal boughstrategy is a clever move.

[open terrace]

Anyone have any farm layouts with the bok choy and Napa cabbage?

[crystal umbra]

@wary finch my mind is broken right now. Never even considered not doing a 3x3 build. I know what I'm playing with for a bit ty

@open terrace you can use any previous builds. Just replace tomatoes or potatoes with cabbage. And carrots or onions with bok choy

[rocky spruce]

(this might be the right channel, lol oops) has there been anyone who has done the math if it's better to make the new crops into kimchi or seeds? I'm curious.

[crystal umbra]

@rocky spruce no idea, but I can check real quick
So for cabbage. There's no difference. 30 gold profit for 48 minutes.
Bok choy is definitely seeds though. Seeds is 43 gold profit. And kimchi is 22 gold profit (but half the time)

technically bok choy as kimchi is slightly more gold/minute. But you're going through twice as much

[left portal]

A complicated plan here, you have to sacrifice the Tomatoes and Potatoes to weeds then the weeds will not grow anywhere else. Don't weed or harvest Tomatoes/Potatoes.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HTCb.HBk.HCb.HA.HB.HB.HA.H-PCb.HB.HA.HA.HB.HA.HA.HA.H-B.HBk.HCb.HB.HCb.HTA.HA.HCb.H-B.HB.HA.HCb.HA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HPA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HPA.HA.HCb.HA.HB.HB.H-Cb.HA.HA.HTCb.HB.HCb.HBk.HB.H-A.HA.HA.HB.HA.HA.HB.HCb.HP-A.HB.HB.HA.HCb.HBk.HCb.HTCb.H

[rocky spruce]

@olive crypt made a layout for me for 100% weed and water retention and I simply rotate carrots and potatoes with bok choy and Napa cabbage (ex. Plant carrots -> harvest -> plant bok choy -> harvest -> repeat). I like to do it slightly different, like the smaller sideways picture though, as I prefer the apple tree to the back.

If you feel like it, you could fertilize it for quality or quantity but I usually only do quantity, and lately only on the blueberries, peppers and apple tree. I use speedgro until the first harvest then switch to bonus crop fertilizer cause impatient 😅

[open terrace]

Thank you all! I really appreciate it!

[mystic trail]

I like this one, you can replace some tomatoes or potatoes with the new cabbage and the empty slots are for stuff that u r in need of!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TAAPAATAA-ABBABBATP-AAAAAAAAA-BBNBBNTPN-AAAAAAAAA-NPTNBBNBB-AAAAAAAAA-PTABBABBA-AATAAPAAT

[wary finch]

@crystal umbraa non-3x3 is not necessarily worse, it depends on what you want to achieve with it, which shape to choose. Or in my case it was simply an esthetic reason, I wanted it embedded in a forest clearing right hand side of my house, without having to cut down too many trees and scrub. Buying just 5 writs allowed me to fit a 15 room house and my garden on my housing plot, with an outdoor workplace near the pond right beside my garden. It's esthetically pleasing and convenient to farm there.

well, it has just 13 rooms actually, 2 of them are hallways.

[wary finch]

But you sacrifice harvest boost for water retain, which means you won't harvest 120 apples, why have 5 apple trees then at all? Especially if most of them are not even speed boosted.

what I want to say with it, you are not using the potential of your garden. It might still be enough outcome for your purposes, but it basically hurts to see, that at least half of the potential of your garden isn't used.

[slow flame]

pickled apple

[mystic trail]

I have sooooo much harvest boost fertiliser. i just put the fertiliser on it!

[mystic trail]

All I want is as much apples and bloobies as possible for most gold making!

[mystic trail]

What is ur current layout?

[wary finch]

I have 3 characters currently playing with the youngest one. I have posted quite a lot of my layouts in this channel, the latest was this I guess, which I haven't done in game, it was just an attempt to do something similar to that design of @crystal umbraon my weirdly shaped garden. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrCoCrA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-CoB.QB.QRB.QB.QCrA.QA.Q-RB.QB.QCrB.QB.QA.QA.QA.Q-NNNNNNA.QWR-A.QA.QA.QB.QB.QRB.QB.QW-B.QB.QB.QB.QB.QB.QCrCoCr-B.QA.QA.QB.QA.QA.QCoWCr-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QCoCrW-A.QB.QB.QA.QB.QB.QNNN

for most gold making, use a layout from Sen Aka, that will be flooding you with money.

[scenic gate]

do star quality produce produce star quality seeds ?

[wary finch]

yes

[scenic gate]

so sell the basic quality and try to get seeds from quality is that the loop then ?

so far farming is kinda disappointing

[mystic trail]

All I want and prefer is 100% water retention!

[wary finch]

it depends what you want to do with it. Some produce can be preserved which adds about 50% in value. Some of those results perform well in worm farms and this increases the value as well. At first it is best so, to harvest as often as you can because harvesting provides the skill gain.

[scenic gate]

im buying bok choi seeds on the fairground to level up a bit, i was just hoping it would be more complex but its beta afterall

[wary finch]

it is ok, you do as you please, I just felt like seeing a Ferrari been driven at 80mph all the time, whilst it could achieve 200mph.

[wary finch]

have a look at the garden planner app for the complexity https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[scenic gate]

yea thanks, i meant the way farming is done, soil and maybe also weird that you can plant tomate and rice next to each other, rice is complete different process need to dry it and clean stalk

[wary finch]

yeah, it is a game with fantasy background,not a farming simulator.

[mystic trail]

like I already said, I got tons of harvest fertilizer, so dont worry about the ferrari xD

[wary finch]

have a look at what RNoir posted, this could be for you #🌱│gardening message

[mystic trail]

thank u ❤️

I wanted a layout with the most apple trees to also level up

[wary finch]

5 apple trees not using their potential is not getting better skill gain than 4 apple trees nicely boosted for both, skill and money gain.

[dusty kayak]

people can also just play how they want to and still earn decent enough output that satisfies them

[wary finch]

ok. I see, I'm going on your nerves, even I just wanted to help, I shut up about it now.

[dusty kayak]

just making sure people also have fun it's all good

[terse ibex]

I forgot to make sure I had bok chow seeds so now I need to buy another set for my layout 😩 They take so long to make seeds

[ionic quarry]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTOCWCrBkSpSp-BkPCbCbCoRTOC-BkCCbWCrTPCoO-CbSpSpPOCBkRT-AAAAAAAAA-TRBkCOPBBCb-OCoPTCrWCbCBk-COTRCoCbCbPBk-BBBkCrWCOTP I tried this layout to produce all crops, do you see any improvments?

[crystal umbra]

@ionic quarry it's a very impressive build. Getting all of them with 100% water and weed prevention.
You are sacrificing garden efficiency by trying to fit all the plants in there. If you try crop rotation (like swapping potatoes for box choy between harvests)
You can increase overall production.
I'm playing around with a build. Will post if I figure it out

The big question is what you want out of your garden, do you want profits, Low maintenance times, all the plants, maximizing a specific plant, or any other conditions you can think of.
All about finding the balance that satisfies you

[nova yoke]

My priority was just; get between 100 and 200 of each crop, then rock for profit, since if I ever need MORE of a crop, I'll take a short sacrifice to stockpile it.

[crystal umbra]

That's basically what I did. Got a nice stockpile of all the other stuff I don't need. Then prioritized low maintenance followed by profit.

[nova yoke]

Though I never find myself with enough cotton, since I usually forget to get a stockpile of those seeds.

I made the stockpile just for food making.

[crystal umbra]

I just suck it up and buy fabric when I need it now lol. Cotton is such a useless crop after gardening lvl 25

[nova yoke]

Very true, and there's nothing to really boost it in return.

I redid my entire farm temporarily to stockpile a lot more blueberries and spicy peppers since I always ran out of them.

[copper valley]

Man the switch HATES the exquisite watering can 😅

[nova yoke]

Whys that?

[kindred fiber]

Yes. But, since they have a lot of onions and no apples there’s no need to recommend that.

[upbeat quail]

Is it lagging like a mfer? Cause same

It started happening after the update

[strange zinc]

Mine just started super lagging today.

[rustic tapir]

I have question regarding fertilizers should i apply them each day until harvest or just the day before the harvest ?

For example quality boost

[crystal umbra]

Every day. If a plant takes 5 days to grow. And you quality fertilizer 4 out of 5 days. You have a 4/5 (80%). Chance for quality up to work

[rustic tapir]

Alright that’s helpful

Thank you

[heady sage]

is there anywhere where you can see whats best to sell as seed or sell as preserve

[dusty kayak]

paliatracker has a profit calculator that might help

[clear kindle]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[queen current]

Hello, I need help with how to make 9x9 filed with full water retain and weed prevention (only if weed prevents plants from growing, not slow them down). These are the seed that I have. I also want to focus on Highlighted thing as form of profit or source of food. Thank you for help! ❤️
1 Apple tree
16 blueberry
4 hq. blueberry
75 hq. carrots
40 hq. corn
24 hq. cotton
79 hq. onion
88 hq. potatoes
44 hq. rice
46 hq. tomatoes
58 hq. wheat

[spare nova]

has any 1 managed a garden plot with every crop that prioritizes weed prevention and harvest boost or quality increase over water retain? i dont mind watering every day lol

[queen current]

I preffer water retain as I can water once and then mine away for the next few hours without having to return back

[spare nova]

hmm makes sense!

good point

it has been working well 4 me

ive been using this layout some1 else posted awhile ago

but i wanna update with the new crops

was thinking abt switching up boost priorities but u make a very compelling point lfmao

[queen current]

Do weeds prewent growth or just slow it down?

[spare nova]

im not sure?

lemme look it up

oh they stop growth entirely

okie looks like bok choy can replace either carrots or onions, napa cabbage can replace either tomatoes or potatoes,,,

def can replace some tomatoes lmfao this layout has so many

less profit but i can live with that

at least until someone comes up with a better layout ldkhsgakldsga

[queen current]

Im currently using this one but I find myself of constant need of cotton (Also one that someone posted here, I think it was @dusty kayak )

[spare nova]

i havent had cotton problems with this layout but idk what ppl rlly use it for heavily other than smoke bombs?

like some furniture crafting ik but once im done crafting all the furniture i want i wont need anymore

[nova yoke]

Honestly I don't even make a farm like that when needing crops, I just put a lot of needed crops around the farm, and just rotate as needed.

[spare nova]

ooh fair!

[left portal]

save some cotton/fabric for preserve jars

[nova yoke]

Like I'll replace an entire apple tree or two for the crops I need and take the benefits from the other things.

[spare nova]

huh

oH to craft them lmfao

i was like i didnt know u can put cotton in those? ghdsklghalsdkgdaksg

zero braincells here

[queen current]

What do you make with cotton in preservation jars? Moonshine?

[spare nova]

LMAO

[nova yoke]

Yeah this is what I used to run for the apple trees, normally 8 of a crop is fine at a time,

I used cotton as a placeholder.
I don't normally bother with weed prevention anymore but I may go back. Because I despise weeds on apple trees since they're difficult to see the center.

[queen current]

I feel like this layout prevents weeds on everything except he potato in the middle

[clear kindle]

yeah, and it also opens up to adding harvest boost fertilizer on everything. especially if you are not in need of the cotton in the center, you can place another apple tree if you wanted to

[queen current]

Just found this layout by @vernal cargo, perfect for making more apple seeds, so I can have more trees from the one i have now

[nova yoke]

Or the windmill until you have all the needed berries you need.

[crystal umbra]

Posted this earlier. But an improvement over windmill @nova yoke

[nova yoke]

I always knew about that, but with 8, I can replace 4 with spicy peppers too,

Also easier to remember

[soft bluff]

Hoeing ain't easy!!! 🌿🪴

[wary finch]

cotton goes well with layouts containing spicy peppers, because both are boosting quality. Especially when put between blueberries, like I did in this garden, which has a high output of cotton, providing a lot for sale and less for the loom.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CoBBRBBSp.QSp.QSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-NNNNNNSpCoR-Sp.QSp.QSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpBBRBBNNN

this garden was especially effective with skill gain, so I can recommend it.

that rice should stay rice though, it grows very quickly and is starred, sells pretty well in high quantity due to speed growth.

[twilit ether]

I need a 9x9 grid ((no blue berries yet)) with 1 apple tree ((got from zeks capsule))

[wary finch]

put it somewhere at the edge with 3 sides open for boosts, then you can add weed prevention, water retain and harvest boost, speed boost is lacking then because you have no blueberries yet.

[wicked bane]

Does anyone have an updated plot incorporating the new plants? I usually do this one. And I switch up the corn/wheat/rice. I just don’t know how to incorporate the new ones. I’m not an expert. But I want to have all the crops more than money.

Just saw @Peng ‘s up there. Do you think that is a good solution for me?

Im gonna try to become an expert now!!

Okay here’s what I came up with: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPOCrWCTSpSp-WBkWTPTCoTCo-OPTCWCrBBT-CbSpSpCrPTCbBB-AAAAAAAAA-BBCbTPCrSpSpCb-TBBCrRCTPO-CoTCoTPTRBkR-SpSpTCRCrOPT

[tender coral]

How does fertilizer work? Once it's applied it's works through whole growth? Or do I need to use everything it's not seen?

[wary finch]

the planner app shows you exactly in the selection row, what each crop does. it is really not complicated at all. Boost is given to adjacent crops in north east south west directions. bushes need 2 boosts of the same kind, apple trees need 3 for them to have an effect on them. That's all, there isn't more to it.

ah, and same crop doesn't give boosts to each other.

[keen root]

Think we could use more than 9 soil patches?

[wary finch]

we can wish for, but I doubt we will get them.

[keen root]

Think someday, we could grow strawberries, lemons, durians, cherries, watermelons, bananas, oranges, mangos, or coconuts?
🍓🍋🍒🍌

[shut hearth]

all the stuffs

[wary finch]

possible, I guess crop variety will be increased, but number of plots is unlikely imo. those 9 plots provide already 5k/day with post-processing and the gold cap is 300k.

[wicked bane]

Okay, one last update. This is my plot now. Let me know if you have any pointers. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCbOCrWCTSpSp-BkWBkTPTCoTCo-OCbTCWCrBBT-PSpSpCrCbTPBB-AAAAAAAAA-BBPTCbCrSpSpP-TBBCrRCTCbO-CoTCoTPTBkRBk-SpSpTCRCrOCbT

It is 100% water and all crops.

[wary finch]

apple trees need 3 boosts to have an effect,you have applied just 2.

shift one berry bush more towards the apple tree for the speed boost to effect the apple tree. Same with the spicy pepper.

[keen root]

Imagine growing durians

https://tenor.com/view/malaysia-digilah-proudlymalaysian-durian-gif-12390702

[wary finch]

let's say durian is an acquired taste, to say it mildly 🙂

I would love some more tree varieties though, like 3 or 4 more, that we don't just farm apple trees.

And eventually with a new boost, like longevity for more harvest seasons.

[echo hedge]

I wish that there could be more plots, but I do understand the gold cap and how much is made from gardening. I just wish I could grow more crops to fill jars, have for cooking, and do seed maker. I feel like I don't have enough of anything

[pliant copper]

How do I get seeds for blueberry bushes and apple trees, etc?

[wary finch]

ok. but you can buy those veggies as well from badruu's store, you don't have to grow all you are using.

[echo hedge]

you can get apple seeds from post level 10 badruu, or from friendship leveling Naio. You can get blueberry seeds from post level 10 badruu too. (I mean reaching level 10 Gardening, more things unlock from Badruu)

[wary finch]

there are quests to get them.emrys, or with level 10 you can get it from Badruu for farming medals, apple tree seeds later for 280 medals.

[echo hedge]

you can use seed maker on apples and blueberries after though

[acoustic laurel]

1. gardening coins once you get level 10
2. Level 3 friendship reward ||with zeki and naio for apple seeds and badruu for blueberry seeds||
3. Zeki gatcha machine
4. You can request if you ever had an apple or blueberry ||If you have a recipe that needs it pie, cake, honey lure) you can click the + and request it||

[pliant copper]

Thank you.

I’ve never had an apple or a blueberry before.

Is there any way I can get them?

[wary finch]

see above post from panda

[acoustic laurel]

Check the last spoiler

[wary finch]

yeah that is a good one panda, didn't know that myself.

[pliant copper]

Ohh thanks so much!

[glossy lynx]

hey y'all!! recent level 10 gardening grad, finally got my hands on blueberry seeds and i saw it takes 9 days for the bush to produce berries, so i've been patiently tending it and the bush seems to have grown to maturity but still isn't producing berries—am i misunderstanding something (e.g. how the garden counts days) or is my bush bugged?

haha never mind, i just needed to be more patient—just logged in bc i was curious and there the berries were!

[gilded arch]

yea the first period of the growing is the actual bush and the fruits comes a couple days (hours) after that like apple

[glossy lynx]

yeah i was just baffled because it had been over 24 hours since i'd planted the bush!

[left portal]

Crops grow while you are online (1 time every hour at 6am ingame or XX:15 real life time.
The blueberry stage you’re seeing is their flowers in bloom and will become berries soon.

[wary finch]

an ingame day is an rl hour whilst logged in and when you logout, your garden just grows until next morning 6am and stops then (but will still accumulate weeds). Whilst you are logged in and don't attend to your garden in the morning, crop which has water retain will keep growing, but dry plots won't, Those having weeds on their plot won't keep growing either.

[glossy lynx]

ahh yep, that'd do it—good to know! and to be clear, the berries did come in! thanks for the intel, y'all 💪

[weak flower]

Question, if I use star quality seeds, will I always get star quality produce? Or do I need to use quality up fertilizer on top to make sure?

[wary finch]

another thing to know maybe, crop which has weeds on it,will still provide their boosts to other crop, but they themselves will no longer benefit from boosts applied to them.

[acoustic laurel]

Chance of star crops: 2% for every level +50% if you have star seeds

[wary finch]

there is no real make sure, because it is not a 100% guarantee, but a lesser percentage added, I got that from a support guy at S6.

[weak flower]

Okay, so I'll keep using fertilizer until I get to higher level in farming.

[acoustic laurel]

What is the lesser percentage referring to? The effectiveness of the fert or something else?

[wary finch]

it doesn't stack, if you have already boost on a crop, you don't need additional fertilizer.

if you get star quality or not, it's binary.

[weak flower]

So I don't need to use the quality fertilizer if I use star seeds?

[vernal osprey]

what I'm doing now for my garden. 100% water and harvest

[acoustic laurel]

Depends on your level, what level are you at? @weak flower

[wary finch]

it will help at lower skill levels, as star quality is not a boost.

[weak flower]

I think I hit level 42 recently.

[wary finch]

then it's guaranteed with star quality seeds.

[acoustic laurel]

Ah ok, just want to make sure I'm not contradicting you

[weak flower]

oh cool! It's been a bother to make the quality up fertilizer. I can switch to something else, if I want to.

[wary finch]

but then again,with harvest boost, I found that each phase is calculated on it's own. So you can get star quality and normal quality on the same plot which had harvest boost.

With that I mean, it first calculates the normal outcome and then the harvest boost outcome,so you can get 2 different results on the same plot.

[weak flower]

oh that is so weird.

[wary finch]

I have that always with harvest boosted non-starred cotton seeds, where I get both, starred and non-starred on the same plot.

which is intentional,starred for sale, non-starred for the loom.

I buy those cotton seeds from zeki, that he will send me a coin for ongoing support.

[acoustic laurel]

I also heard for multi harvest crops the quality fert only effects some of the item. Like how you can gather 3 tomatoes at a time

[wary finch]

hm, not sure if that is true, my apple tree had always 24 apples in any phase, when harvest boosted.

maybe sen aka can tell, if he ever experienced getting less than 24 apples on harvest boosted apple trees.

[acoustic laurel]

No I'm talking about quality fert not harvest boost. I don't personally use the fert so I wouldn't actually know

[wary finch]

ah ok, sorry, I thought you are referring to those 2 calculation phases with harvest boost, which I mentioned before.

there is currently (since the patch) a weird bug, where eventually all fertlizer can disappear from a plot if you leave your housing plot (or when you return, can't tell this). I'm in contact with support about this issue but it is hard for them to recreate the situation.

it is just one or a few plots, others are not effected.

On my housing plot it is consistently so with one plot, I verified this many times.

[acoustic laurel]

Ah whoops didn't mean to confuse you while you were talking about the harvest boost fert lol

[wary finch]

guess it will take a while to fix this, they have other more urgent bugs to deal with. But this bug can eventually change results from fertilizer users.

[gilded arch]

yea this happens to me too before i put in apple tree, now it wont go down

but once they apple tree give it's last fruits, it'll reset every fert u put in

• to clarify -

it will reset the fert put in the plot within apple tree's plot, so if u put like 99 fert in it like i do, it will reset to 0 after the tree gives it's last fruit

[wary finch]

oh didn't recognize that, Diaz, thanks will pay attention to it.

we - I and another guy - could verify, that it disappears on leaving/returning to your housing plot. So a workaround is, either to not leave your housing plot after fertilizing (put just 1 down) or to logout on the housing plot,this will as well not remove it.

hm, @gilded arch, this seems to be another issue, which you are pointing out there.

before the patch it kept left over fertilizer and didn't reset to 0.

[gilded arch]

yea, for the other plants it will not reset apart from just apples once u replant the seed

[wary finch]

ok I will mention that to the support guy, I will be in contact with him after the weekend again.

but then again, it does that with bushes as well, if not all 4 plots have fertilizer on them, which they normally don't,

[tidal shoal]

Could someone help me with some insight? I'm a returnee and trying to increase profit from farm while also making some food focus. Got farming to lv10 using this layout:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP

Because its simple and don't need a variety of seeds. But I don't know what I should sell, what I should turn into seeds or jelly, so far I've only been selling everything but that doesn't seem right.

[analog void]

Hihi! Also a returning player, so I'm not sure if it's still accurate or not. But for this layout I would seed the rice to sell, and preserve the potatoes and tomatoes before selling (minus what you'd beed to seed for replanting purposes). General rule of thumb is (or, like I said, was when I was last playing) is everything is more profitable once processed.

[tidal shoal]

thank you, I'll see how profitable it is

[peak spear]

how do I destory a crop on switch?

[weak flower]

you can't sadly. Gotta wait for it to be done

[peak spear]

damn, I'll have to log on pc then

[neon siren]

Hey everybody, figured I'd make my first post in this channel after lurking here for quite a while lol. Here's my crop layout, with 100% water retention. I mainly prioritized getting as many apples as possible to turn into preserves (and then into worms + glow worms), while also making sure that each individual crop type grows at exactly the same rate (e.g. all tomatoes are harvested at the same time, etc.). Oh, I also finally hit gardening level 100, it's super nice finally seeing triple digits in my favorite skill!

[neon siren]

I think you can destroy with the X button on Switch, I just double-checked and it seems to be working

[weak flower]

They must have added that because it wasn't an option before.

[peak spear]

I tried that. Didn't work.

[neon siren]

That's super weird, maybe it doesn't work for everybody and is bugged?

[echo hedge]

I had an issue with that last night. Turns out I was trying to destroy a ripe potato

[peak spear]

I just planted them so not ripe yet. I'll restart the game and see. I've been having bugs where I have to restart the game for recipes to pop up

[echo hedge]

ooft

[peak spear]

Okay, using X works now lol

[vocal panther]

I understand that they aren’t planning on adding more crop plots, but since they keep adding more vegetables, is it an option or are they still set on no?

[wary finch]

it is quite balanced, regardless of the crop type, post-processing adds about 50% value, but if one should post-process crop depends on what you want to do with it after processing and it depends as well on the amount of produce waiting to be processed. If your produce is waiting to be processed in a preserve jar for example, it will reduce the income per time unit, even it's value will be higher after processing. It might be better for income per time unit, to sell it off without processing, instead to fill up preserve jars to the brim.

To give an example, if you fill 31 crops in a preserve jar, the first is processed immediately, the others have to wait, in average all wait for 15 time units, which is just a gain of 50%/15 = 3 1/3 percent per time unit. If that is worth the wait, you'll have to decide.

And this is even more relevant, when you think about that these extra jars and seeders cost quite an amount of money, especially when you have lots of them. With just a few percent per time unit more, it will take quite a lot of time to just get the invested money back, because the return on investment is rather low with these machines.

[neat lagoon]

I really hope they add more plots if they are gonna keep adding more plants.

[analog void]

Eh, I'm personally okay with it. I'm the kind of person who will get massive burnout if I try to min/max every game. I have four seeders and four preserving stations. I chuck what I want in them and go about my day. I'm very casual in how I play, though, and fully accept that some people are down for the min/max approach.

[wary finch]

I run 6/6, which is a good amount actually, I was more preaching to those who want to install 20+ of those.

it might not be worth it compared to simply selling off a lot of their produce in bulk directly.

[valid plume]

hello 🙂 any layout with bok choy? and maybe other new seeds? (didnt check yet=

[oblique nexus]

Do you get gardening experience only from harvesting? or from other things as well (watering, etc).

I'm just starting out(lvl 3 gardening) and I want to minimize watering, but not if it'll greatly reduce my leveling speed.

I also am trying to keep the planting pretty simple so I dont have to think about it much. Planning on just alternating tomatoes and potatoes.

[wary finch]

just from harvesting from my experience

btw more complex garden plans are not that much harder to maintain, if you harvest crop type by crop type at a time, then the risk to plant something into the wrong spot is very low.

tomatoes and potatoes is not a bad start, you are right.

you could alternate it with rows of rice, wheat and corn though to get harvest boost on those.

[errant zodiac]

maybe this seems silly to ask but are apple trees there forevever and you just rewater them or can they die and you need a new one?

[wary finch]

like every other multi-harvest crop, 4 harvest times.

[errant zodiac]

okay thank you

[warped wharf]

Hey guys, I was hoping someone could help me figure out what crops are best to grow/ what are the most profitable crops to preserve or just grow?

[wary finch]

keep in mind, that you need 10 apples for 1 apple tree seed, so plan ahead.

[errant zodiac]

yeak i just dumped all the apples i got into the seed maker but thanks for the reminder

[wary finch]

there is no objective answer to this, it really depends what you are wanting to do with your crop, like use preserved or cooked stuff in worm farms and so on, here a table of the worm farm outcomes with different worm feeds https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[oblique nexus]

that's a good point I didn't consider that! that way you wouldn't need to look at a image of the layout every time. This way I should be able to completely get rid of the need for watering AND weeding.

[wary finch]

you will have to weed, because water retain doesn't protect against weeds.

but harvest boost increases the amount you are harvesting which means faster skill gain afaik.

[oblique nexus]

😎

(obviosly cant do that yet though)

[wary finch]

those blueberries belong at the apple tree to boost it's growth speed

[oblique nexus]

🤔

hmmm

[wary finch]

and vice versa

[oblique nexus]

if you did that would it still be at 100% water retention AND 100% weed prevention though?

[wary finch]

the question is do you want harvesting apples after 8 or 12 days, it is 4 days difference.

[oblique nexus]

the biggest thing for me is making it as afk as possible

so Id rather have no risk of having to intervene between plant and harvest

[wary finch]

yeah,I understand but being lazy is incredibly expensive.

[oblique nexus]

aint that the truth 😭

any way thanks for all the tips! I'm going to follow your advice about adding a few other row types in there until I'm higher lvl/have all the rarer crops/have all 9 soil plots

[wary finch]

do some fishing meanwhile, those worm farms can make you a lot of money if you keep your potatoes, later preserve them and use in a normal worm farm.

[oblique nexus]

🤔

[wary finch]

pickled potatoes are performing great in normal worm farms.

[oblique nexus]

i can tell im going to like this game

so many ways to optomise/min max

despite it being a cozy game lol

[wary finch]

I posted a table above showing the worm farm outcomes.

[oblique nexus]

cool thanks!

[mystic cairn]

does anyone have a good farm layout and wanna share? I’m working on one that doesn’t have blueberries or spicy peppers

i’ve spent an embarrassing amount of time on the palia garden planner lmao

[burnt yarrow]

Level 25+ Gardening plan I just made. 100% Water, 82% Harvest, 63% Weed
Has all crops except for peppers and cotton.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCbPOCrBkBkTR-CrCbCrRTWCrCbCr-PCbTBkCrCWTBk-PCbBkRBBCrBB-AAAAAAAAA-CCbPBBWBBCr-PTCTRCrOBkP-CbCrCbPBkPCbCrCb-BkTPCrWTPBkO

[mystic cairn]

ty!! I might do this but replace the blueberries with cotton

tthis is what im working with rn but im not happy with it yett

[burnt yarrow]

Ive been working on my plan for a while since they brought out new crops lol. Wanting to make this one I made bc it is moveable as well, cannot move plots when the bushes and trees overlap

[mystic cairn]

oh thats smart, i just had to wait like a week to get my apple trees to disappear so i could restart the plot

i dont have blueberries or spicy peppers unlocked yet which makes this sooo much harder

[burnt yarrow]

Once you reach Level 25 your star crops are 100% drop chance for being star

[mystic cairn]

i cant waitttt im still only lvl 7

ive been playing for months and just neglected my farming until now

[burnt yarrow]

Ive been playing since August, 2 days before open beta dropped, reached 100 gardening few days ago lol

[mystic cairn]

omgggg nice

the only thing im high lvl in is cooking because of cake parties lol

[burnt yarrow]

Save your gardening tokens for the well, you can get water that way

[mystic cairn]

oh does it actually work???

[burnt yarrow]

Hahah I am 315 Cooking bc of cake parties

[mystic cairn]

yoooo omg

[burnt yarrow]

Yusss, I have a well right next to my garden

[mystic cairn]

thats so cute ill save up for it

[echo hedge]

the problem I have with crops: my cooking is the lowest of all the skills. I want to cook better, but I use up things like spicy peppers pretty quickly. So I'm sitting on my hands crop wise

I usually like maths. But I don't want to have to work out all the crop values. Then the crops to seeds values. Then the crops to preserves value. Then the formation of the crops plots. Then how much I'd have to buy from Badruu's crop shop because I don't have space for cotton growing or something

having to compare all the plot designs alone gives me a headache now. And then there's weeds. I hate the stupid weeds! I think "oh, this should be fine, and I'll sprinkle weed repellant fertiziler all over as well. Nope. Weeds ruining my day. Crops growing at all the wrong times. I might just grow nothing but tomatoes for the whole of February, because my cooking is appauling anyways

[clear kindle]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[echo hedge]

I don't care. I'm just growing tomatoes. I'm done overthinking this and cooking

[modest mirage]

https://www.thegamer.com/palia-best-farm-layouts/#6x6-mid-game-layout

I follow this guideline for crops. My problem is that we only have 9 crop plots, and we have 13 harvestables

[clear kindle]

yeah, that's my problem as well. i have my favorite setup, but it doesn't include blueberries or spicy peppers. it would be fine if we could buy the fruits from badruu, but i don't see that happening for the blueberries ad apples

[echo hedge]

but if you say that.... regardless of if they end up adding 30 crops, we can't have more plots because "money balance"

"we'll make too much money from crops with more plots"

which might be true, but it isn't what we're grumbling about

[clear kindle]

money balance in a cozy game that has nothing to do with player trading systems is bs

[echo hedge]

it's why I don't have the brains to make a game and balance money amounts and all that jazz. So I'm not looking at it from that angle

[clear kindle]

i can understand if they had an auction house that players can place items in and others can basically do betting with what gold they have but that's not the case right now

plus, when people can make over a third of the cap with cakes using only one item, it kinda doesn't make sense to me

[prisma notch]

Thank you for sharing!!

[modest mirage]

No problem!

[wind kite]

Random question but did you make your pfp?

[coral remnant]

@loud wolf I can share the garden layout! It’s 100% harvest boost and 100% water retention. You’ll get extra crops and don’t have to water unless you replant. Only issue is weeds, but you can get rid of those or use weed block fertilizer. It has all the crops in it!
http://tinyurl.com/48fajskh

[loud wolf]

Thank you!!!

[coral remnant]

You’re welcome! I’ll also add a photo

[modest mirage]

I used bing ai generator 😅 definitely wish i was artistically talented to do it myself

[modest mirage]

A life saver. Thanks for sharing this! I wasn't looking forward to racking my brain on how to do the best layout

[wind kite]

You and I both I love it either way, very cute

[modest mirage]

Thanks!!

[slow flame]

Trying something like this out. I already have apples, blueberries and peppers in their spots. I'll be switching up the other crops based on what I need.

I mostly use crops for recipes and I hate having to replant things in a complicated pattern

[haughty geyser]

I dont want more plots for money I want it for looks…

[clear kindle]

same, currently i'm not hurting for money, with 120 apples a harvest i just want to be able to place the other crops down

[haughty geyser]

Make a Nice looking farm with it all … might not even harvest all days

[errant zodiac]

does gardening level afftect the amount of drops a plant gives?

[clear kindle]

no, just the higher chance to get star crops, level 25 you get nothing but star crops from star seeds, and at level 50 you get star crops even from regular seeds

[past wave]

Currently in the process of pickling over 250+ spicy red peppers 🤌

I'm either about to come very rich or very mad that I wasted all that time 😂

[wary finch]

I had a similar idea, simple flower patches, which are just there for decorative purposes.

do we know yet, how those 2 kimchi variants (plus starred versions) perform in worm farms?

the latter wasn't directed at you, Anette.

[wary finch]

well you could use simple multiplication to find out right now 🙂

[past wave]

I could! Or! I could wait and surprise myself

[wary finch]

or that, yes

[quick dove]

remind me where i get pepper seeds? is it at the general store? I thought it was Barduu/his farm but im there now and no option (and ive boght them before)

[vernal mirage]

This is what I've come up with, but it's basic. Doesn't take into account growth/harvest time, but does account for seeding/preserving time. Also, as a side note, it seems that Napa Cabbage is equally profitable as Preserved or Seeded as a Star Crop.

[vernal mirage]

It is from the General Store

[dusty kayak]

All seeds will be at general store (the new ones as well after market ends)

Except blueberry and apple i guess

[wary finch]

zeki's

yeah, blueberries and apples are too powerful due to their speed boost, I think they will always remain quest rewards and guild store items.

[wary finch]

this garden is the future goal of my youngest character, 100% speed boosted with 4 apple trees and 6 blueberry bushes. So far she is still occupied with her 9 blueberry bushes and 5 spicy peppers garden.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrCo.QCrA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-RB.QB.QCo.QB.QB.QCrA.QA.Q-R.QB.QB.QCr.QB.QB.QA.QA.QA.Q-NNNNNNA.QCr.QR.Q-A.QA.QA.QB.QB.QR.QB.QB.QW.Q-B.QB.QB.QB.QB.QB.QCrCo.QCr-B.QA.QA.QB.QA.QA.QWCo.QCr-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QCo.QWCr.Q-A.QB.QB.QA.QB.QB.QNNN

[slow flame]

Is it normal that my apple tree only gives 16 apples on its last harvest while it gives 24 on the others (the tree has the harvest boost at all time from the crops around, so no fert forgotten) ?

[formal blade]

Does star quality seed give all star quality crops?

[slow flame]

Nope it gives a 50% chance

[sonic charm]

When you hit level 25 in gardening, it’s 100%.

[harsh nexus]

Hello,can help me please with 6x6 2lvl gardening? some croops i have now.I still not much understand this mechanics. ˇ(sry to my bad eng 🙂

[haughty geyser]

A Nice little orchar of fruit trees and bushes (more types yes please)

[haughty geyser]

In general I Think pickle up the value

[haughty geyser]

Soo thats Why its mostly for me I Think in level 12

[slow flame]

it's 50% when using a star quality seed + 2% per level
so at level 12 you'd get 74% chance of getting star quality crops while using star quality seeds, at level 25 you're at 100%, and at level 50 you don't even need star quality seeds

[vernal cargo]

eyy glad to see my early layout to be a help for you

[haughty geyser]

Thank you that do fit what I have had so far, Nice.

[wary finch]

I had that occasionally as well, not sure what is causing it though.

[wary finch]

Tish is creating flower pots and the like, she could well offer as well garden flower patches, this really should be added, because we have more than one housing spot and a house without a garden looks barren.

[haughty geyser]

she could defently have some decorativ fower beds...

[teal sage]

I copied this. Thank you!

[slow flame]

Found this on the wiki: "When bonus growth triggers, other bonuses are not applied for the second time. E.g. potato with harvest boost from adjacent crop or fertilizer will end with 4 day grow time (down from 5 with one bonus day) and 4/5 chance to get harvest boost."
Seems to fit, I also had 2 carrots instead of 3 earlier today.

[dire tapir]

Has anyone managed to come up with a solid layout for all crops including the newest additions except apples and blueberries? I haven't got those yet and stuck trying to get a nice layout happening 🤣

[loud summit]

If i leave crops grown will they still benefit the crops around them?

like if i leave those crops grown will my apple trees still be okay?

[teal sage]

Can you put this is sleepy, brain-barely-on speak?

[tawdry garnet]

hi! is anyone able to plant the spicy peppers seed? i keep getting an error : garden is not empty

[slow flame]

If I understand correctly, when you have the growth boost you skip a day once in a while. But then you also skip using the other boosts (from fert or other crops) like harvest boost. And if the boost is not active every palian day, it reduces the chances of having the effect of the boost. It's like skipping a day of using fert.

[teal sage]

So if I have crops with both harvest and growth boost buffs from nearby crops, will I still get benefit of both every time?

[whole hinge]

Something keeps erasing my fertilizer :(

[halcyon shale]

think i've came up with my new farm layout due to this image thank you!!

I loved the idea and look of the blueberries and apples in that centre pattern and I need them the most so this works wonders as I get to get them watered (sadly I cant find a way to keep weed free - may need to use that fertiliser)

ok here is with weed block on the ones needed, its only water needed on the crops i dont care for as much haha, they there for watering my other plants sooo, should be good right? i dont need the water resistant boost plants to be watered for it to work right?

[mystic trail]

Yes! 😊

[whole hinge]

Got it from other guides like Arenvanya’s. Its a common motif

[hidden marten]

I like Bok Choy

[clear kindle]

okay then

[halcyon shale]

Ooo ok, may check them out! Thanks

[stable ginkgo]

oh man!! your seeders are going to be working way ovetime hahahah

[supple oasis]

How?? 😱😱😅

[nova yoke]

They like the crop.

[elfin blaze]

I don't think you have enough

it looks like the new crop was art designed by a completely different person than the other crops XD

[round jacinth]

Does speedy grow fert not always work on crops? I planted 3 apples trees and put a bunch on all of them but 2 appear to be 1 growth cycle ahead (looking at the visuals)

But they all used the fertilizer

[lucid furnace]

were any impeeded by weeds or lack of water ?

[round jacinth]

They have weed protection and I watered them I’m pretty sure but maybe somehow it got missed

Just wondering if maybe it’s a known bug, if not then I probably missed watering it

[lucid furnace]

I've not noticed anything like that myself, but then I haven't been timing them .. I plant, water/weed, harvest - rinse and repeat

[round jacinth]

Okay thank you!

[indigo stone]

you have your water retain plants touching each other so they all have water retain

[clear kindle]

so, i just changed out my crops back to the old setup from getting 100 each of blueberries and spicy peppers (don't cook often, don't like to cook) and i'm back to my 5 apples but this time i'm doing tomatoes/cabbage and bok choy/onions (will use harvest boost fert on apples) and when i look to check what everything has, my apple trees are now showing 5 buffs - the middle one has the weed and water buffs, but then beside that and under it, it shows just water retain. is that just a visual glitch? i don't think it showed that before the update

[tawny copper]

Hit me with your low-maintenance garden layouts! I ideally want something organised and simple so that I can easily remember it. As profitable as possible is always the main goal ofc 🤑

I’m only gardening level 7 so I have the spicy pepper bush but no blueberries or apples yet, but idm layouts that include those since I can just fill those spaces with other crops that I need to restock for cooking etc in the meantime while I work towards gardening level 10

Ofc using other plants in place of the ones I haven’t got access to yet won’t have all of the same benefits and certainly not the same potential for making gold, but it’s only temporary so I don’t mind that

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbBkCbTOTCbBkCb-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkOBkCbTCbBkOBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkOBkCbTCbBkOBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbBkCbTOTCbBkCb-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H

currently running this

100% weed/water with harvest boost on the apples

just change out the apples for other crops

[tawny copper]

Oh damn that’s impressive - both very passive and very easy to remember! I’ll definitely have a play with which other crops could work best in place of the apples - I’m sure I can figure out something decent! Thank you so much for sharing it - this is quite possibly the best one I’ve seen so far for me!

[clear kindle]

if you don't "need" the other crops you can always just fill in the apple areas with the same as the other tiles (so repeat the tiles) to have rows of the crops, i started off with just rows of tomatoes and potatoes

but with the way this layout is you can also swap out almost freely for other crops by using the fertilizer that you are missing (for example, if you are using onion/bok choy/carrots with tomatoes/cabbage/potatoes on one harvest, you can place harvest boost fert down, then next harvest swap out a set for the rice/wheat/corn set and place down the fert that you no longer have a buff for)

you can also remove one of the doubled crop for the other missing crop in it's place (replace one of the bok choy for a carrot for example) to have a bit more variety

the money maker is going to be the apples in this layout, i only pick those at the harvest time

[tawny copper]

That makes sense! I know I don’t necessarily need a layout, but idk there’s something satisfying about everything having a place and it all being neat (that’s probably the autistic need for structure and routine tbh 😅😉)

[tawny copper]

That fits in with a lot of the other layouts I’ve seen - about half seem to focus on the apples with the rest more focused on tomatoes (to make jam from) and potatoes (to sell the starred seeds)

[slow flame]

I need y'all's help... this is my current layout and I wanna put in the new crops but idk how... my layout is aimed at earning money and providing ingredients to cook my food (chili oil dumplings (potato, spicy pepper, wheat, rice)), while also trying to have at least 1 of each crop...

bok choy is definitely more profitable than carrots or onions, but the napa cabbage earns way less than potato or tomato

maybe?

[ember glade]

Okay maybe a dumb question. But what do weeds do? Besides...be weeds?

[drifting dragon]

They stop plants growing on the next day

[ember glade]

@drifting dragon Thank you!

[buoyant schooner]

what are some good layouts for profit?

[harsh nexus]

Hello,where i find time to finish growing please ?

[slow flame]

its not shown ingame sadly, so unless you remember when you planted them, no way of knowing

[slow flame]

depends what crops you have, you can use this website to make a good layout
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[harsh nexus]

And this mean only day or too hour?

[undone parrot]

This is the layout I like, but I’m levelled enough all crops are guaranteed to be star quality. I put everything into preserve jars for money or focus food and save enough to make more seeds or cook with.

[buoyant schooner]

i have everything star quality but this is what i usually used before

[slow flame]

palian day

[slow flame]

doesnt keep everything watered though, so I would need to go back every palian day

[copper valley]

I've been wanting to try to plan my farming now, and I have bluebs but no apples yet. I found a blueberry layout above but i don't have a use for carrots or tomatoes usually. for farm plans, is there any consideration to dishes? or is it just effect and profit?

[lilac wind]

I haven't found blueberries terrible profitable. they are needed for certain dishes obv (cake, pie)

[left portal]

Try this instead, you’ll spread water retention better: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrA.SA.SWA.SA.SRA.SA.S-A.ST.HA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.S-A.SA.SCrA.SA.SWA.SA.SR-TA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.SA.S-A.SRA.SA.SCrA.SA.SRA.S-A.SA.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST-RA.SA.SWA.SA.SCrA.SA.S-A.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST.HA.S-A.SA.SRA.SA.SWA.SA.SCr

If you sacrifice 9 crops allowing weeds to stick and not harvesting them (such as the 5corn and 4wheat) no additional weeds will grow.

[undone parrot]

Swap tomatoes for potatoes and do bok choy instead of carrots to increase profits unless you need anything specific for cooking. Preserving fruit and veg is the best source of passive income.

[slow flame]

If I want to level up gardening faster is it better to plant all crops with short growth times or something like all apple trees?

[undone parrot]

Max your exp bonus at the phoenix shrine and then it depends on how you play. If you are going back to your plot often you could do faster growing but apples definitely give the highest exp in one go.

[slow flame]

ty

[hard glacier]

How do I get fruit? I saw that I can unlock it with a quest, but I apparently already completed it and chose the wrong option.

[serene summit]

plant trees save the world 😄

[dusty kayak]

#teamtrees

[sharp laurel]

#teamfurniture cut down all trees!

[acoustic laurel]

Ways to get Apples/blueberries or seeds

1. gardening coins once you get level 10 and have enough coins
2. Level 3 friendship reward ||with zeki and naio for apple seeds and badruu for blueberry seeds||
3. Zeki gatcha machine
4. You can request if you ever had an apple or blueberry or ||If you have a recipe that needs it pie, cake, honey lure) you can click the + and request it||

[zinc hound]

then why are you hereeee

[left portal]

Either earn garden medals by completing weekly challenges+ leveling up gardening (use the medals at Badruu’s garden guild for a seed) or request the fruit seed to be fulfilled by another player.

[digital tapir]

Can someone tell me what they think about my garden? It is made for food and profit. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTCbAAAAAA-BBTBBABBA-CbWOAAWAACr-AAARWRPCoSp-BBAPTBSpPB-AACbBBBBBB-COSpBkCoOCBkC-SpCrACoWAPCrA-AACbAATAACb

[shell fern]

Does anyone have a 3 apple tree and as much blueberries layout with 100% water retention?

Can’t see time to work out on the planner the best way 😭

[ocean arrow]

3 apple trees, 100% water retention, and all spare space filed with blueberries?

[digital tapir]

This is what I got, but I am sure you can get more blueberries

Nevermind, just thought of another one

[shell fern]

Not all space but enough blueberries and apples to make profit 👀 I only have 3 apple seeds and can’t find a 4th 😦

[shell fern]

Thank you so much!

[ocean arrow]

This is what I got, used cabbage instead of tomatoes because kimchi is used in recipes, and threw in a few cotton to give you something to put in your loom

I don’t know what your gardening level is or if they’re star seeds, and of course application of fertiliser will affect everything

[shell fern]

Thank you! I will try both ways because I was meaning to swap the tomate with napa cabbage also!

Both have good bases and will try! Thank you both 💕💕

[ocean arrow]

Always better to have more options!

[digital tapir]

Youre welcome

My first one has more room for change than the second one because the second needs all the water retaining plants

[hard glacier]

I had Eshe do this!

[clear kindle]

if i have a friend marked as an editor, can they pick my crops?

i don't think they can but not sure

[dusty kayak]

they cant take anything from you in general

though friends can pick up weeds but it goes into YOUR pockets

[clear kindle]

dang

[nova yoke]

Though they can pick up your furniture and throw it around your plot.

[limpid siren]

Garden layout with all the crops and fully afk

100% weed prevention
100% water retention
33% growth boost
44% harvest boost
38% quality increase

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCRPBkTBBCb-CrTOCCbSpOWSp-CPCbSpRCSpCrBk-BBWCrBkOCbPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCbOBkCoCoBB-OTSpBkWSpPCbC-SpRCbSpCOBkPT-PBBBkCbCCoTO

I added fertilisers for even better stats
43% growth boost
98% harvest increase
74% harvest increase

Again fully afk just added fertiliser for better other stats

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HC.QR.QP.HBk.HT.QB.QB.QCb.Q-Cr.QT.QO.HC.QCb.SSp.QO.QW.HSp.Q-C.HP.QCb.HSp.QR.SC.QSp.QCr.SBk.Q-B.QB.QW.HCr.HBk.QO.QCb.QP.HT.H-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-T.HP.QCb.HO.HBk.HCo.HCo.HB.HB.H-O.HT.SSp.QBk.QW.HSp.QP.HCb.QC.H-Sp.QR.HCb.QSp.QC.SO.HBk.HP.HT.H-P.HB.HB.HBk.HCb.QC.HCo.HT.HO.H

[final tiger]

Where do we find blueberries?

[dusty kayak]

Fastest way is to befriend ||badruu|| to level 3 then make your own seeds with the first time you plant the ones you get

[tidal shoal]

Is it just for me that the 'value' of preserves jars are only 1 gold more valuable than the fruits/vegetable it's made from?

It its like that, what's the point of making it for selling instead of just selling the vegetables itself?

[slow flame]

You're sure ? The jar price should be 1.5 times higher than that of the crop. So about the same price for an unstarred jar and a star crop...

But if you compare star quality crop and star quality jar (or both unstarred) they should be really different

[dusty kayak]

[hybrid bolt]

Currently in the garden. Any thoughts

stats etc

[tidal shoal]

ok I was comparing the values of a quality crop X non quality jar, that's why they were basically the same my bad

[tidal shoal]

thank you this was actually really helpful

[late obsidian]

Is there any way to move a crop after you plant it? I accidentally put a tomato in the wrong spot

[maiden python]

Nope. Need to destroy it, unfortunately.

[mystic trail]

Yes you can always move them, unless you planted a larger plant on two different squares!

[mystic trail]

You can move them!

[maiden python]

Say whaaaaaa? Like, you plant it, then you can move the growing plant to another square?

[mystic trail]

Ooooh, no sorry, I thought you guys meant, moving the whole square…

Then never mind, @maiden python is right, you can not move a single crop, after u planted it. Sowwwyyy

[late obsidian]

oh lol, oh well, how do I destroy a plant then?

[mystic trail]

Right click when holding the gardening hoe, or X on switch while holding it

[maiden python]

Gotcha. Yeah, you can rotate the 3x3 squares unless you have a 2x2 or 3x3 plant growing in between them.

[late obsidian]

ty both so much!

[mystic trail]

Exactly, that’s what I thought he/she meant. Sorry bout the confusion 😜

[maiden python]

No worries! I thought I had missed an update note or something lol It would be amazing if we could do this.

[knotty pagoda]

I'm pretty new to the game but I've hammered it, Mt gardening in lvl 10 but I accidentally sold my apple tree seeds thinking they where Tom's.....what would you guys say is the best setup with blueberries and apples for most profit? Thanks in advance ☺️

[verbal bridge]

Just got 5 blueberry seeds from Badruu level 3 quest and 1 apple tree seed from Nai’o level 3 quest.

Any particular way I ought to farm them to get more seeds from them? I have all plots

My gardening is still level 8

[dark ember]

harevst boost, high sale and all crops, anyone able to go better?

please tag me x

[eternal obsidian]

Hi everyone, i have a little question about Gardening : Even if I plant non-star seed, I always harvest star fruits and vegetables. I tried to plant them alone, so that nothing around them would influence them, but no change. I can no longer get non-star plants. Any idea why this does this to me?

[gray zenith]

What gardening level are you?

[slow flame]

chance of getting star crop: 2% per level +50% if using star quality seed
so once you hit level 50 you can't get unstarred crop

[eternal obsidian]

Oh i see ... level 27, I told myself that it was a matter of level, but I didn't know the percentages, thank you very much!

[maiden python]

I recently came up with this layout. It's the highest daily gold I've been able to get. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.SCrRCrBBRBB-AAAAAAAAA-RCrP.SBBCrBBR-AAAAAAAAA-BkRBkRCr.SRBkRBk-AAAAAAAAA-RBBCrBBP.SCrR-AAAAAAAAA-BBRBBCrRCrP.S https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181371535043334224/1204274066094030928/fruit-starches-bok-choy.png?ex=65d4229f&is=65c1ad9f&hm=edecb20fa0f3be1ec93d0656abfe98a4741c63826fc738fb47117cbb9f61a5a2&

[royal sundial]

Does anyone happen to have a visual guide to crop boosts? I'm trying to learn which ones are interchangeable

[plain thicket]

What’s the most profitable crop, currently I’ve been selling Cotton, but I’m curious is there’s something more expensive

[nova yoke]

Early game;
Sell potato seeds or (MAYBE) cabbage seeds (since the cabbage turns into 90 coins per one)

Mid game, sell jar corn, or peppers (assuming you have the preservative jars)

Late game, (depending on your preference) sell star jarred apples.

[acoustic laurel]

If you have no time constraint I would even say to worm the apple jam and sell the worm/fert

[nova yoke]

^ or that.
I prefer just using the preservative jars over the worm farm in case of overflow at any point. Difference in profit is minimal,

[acoustic laurel]

Whatever works for you I don't have an overflow issue with the way I run things. Garden > preserves > worms > sell. I just load up crafters before I log off

[nova yoke]

Oh you put them in preservatives before into the worm, I thought you always meant put the apples straight into the worm farm.

For me I always just;

Grab potato,
Put the potato into the jar,
Then put the jarred potato into the worm farm, to boost the apples further.

[acoustic laurel]

It originally said apple because I forgot a word

[nova yoke]

This is how my current farm layout appears, however I rotate out the weed prevention crop whenever needed.
(Although idk if carrots or onions are better)

The only negative is just buying the water retain for the wheat and corn, otherwise it works for itself

I've seen better layouts for more profit, but this one at least gives me 6 open spaces for whatever other crop I could need.

[tacit stratus]

I am growing lots of peppers with corn and cotton. It is decidedly sub-optimal.

[stable ginkgo]

you might want to double check your cabbage numbers because for every 1 cabbage you get 6 seeds at 10 coins a piece for a total of 60. Cabbage is like lower middle of the road for profit.

[nova yoke]

They're 16 coins each?
The seeds = jarred

I'm referring to starred seeds, Incase you meant unstarred

[stable ginkgo]

ok, yes i was thinking of regular ones since you didnt mention quality but quality seeds are still only 15 coins a piece

[sudden token]

The garden planner thing doesn’t work for me for some reason, so I have to take pictures to show off my garden

[summer prism]

mm apples

does price of products go down ?

[digital tapir]

I might have to give this a try. It looks very promising.

[rain storm]

Does anyone have a layout for max profits? I heard bok choi is great for golds?

[nova yoke]

Is it?
I have mixed feelings towards bok choy but I haven't experimented with it enough

[rain storm]

I've no idea, I heard it on some YouTube video hmmm

[shut hearth]

@rain storm Zilka? my zilka? tersa zilka?

[rain storm]

Wwhhaattt!! RJ!! Yes it's me! 😄

[shut hearth]

lol small world

[neat lagoon]

@clear kindle hey if you don't mind what did your blueberry/spicy pepper setup look like? I'm very interested since I like the cooking aspect! TIA!

[tardy talon]

this is a really pretty pic

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-B.WB.WCb.WB.WB.WT.WB.WB.WCb.W-B.WB.WCb.WB.WB.WT.WB.WB.WCb.W-B.WB.WCb.WB.WB.WT.WB.WB.WCb.W-B.WB.WT.WSp.WSp.WCb.WSp.WSp.WT.W-B.WB.WT.WSp.WSp.WCb.WSp.WSp.WT.W-B.WB.WT.WSp.WSp.WCb.WSp.WSp.WT.W-Sp.WSp.WCb.WSp.WSp.WT.WNNN-Sp.WSp.WCb.WSp.WSp.WT.WNNN-Sp.WSp.WCb.WSp.WSp.WT.WNNN

[neat lagoon]

Wow thank you so much! That's so awesome! 🤩

[clear kindle]

i was just focusing on getting blueberries and spicy peppers for storage, so water retain with the cabbage/tomatoes and weed protection from fertilizers

[neat lagoon]

I'm looking for a mixture of profit and cooking. I'm more focused on profit for now tho.

[clear kindle]

as i don't mind buying my food from reth, i just wanted the cooking achievements, now that i have them completed, i'm back to my apple farm

[wary finch]

the palia garden planner's top selection row is a good help with this as is the planner in a whole ofc https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app

[wary finch]

why don't you alternate blueberries and peppers to give blueberry the quality boost of peppers and those peppers the speed boost of blueberries?

[clear kindle]

because i didn't care about those things. i'm at level 40 gardening, all of my crops are starred so quality isn't an issue, and i don't care about speed grow on the crops. this was just a setup for me to get blueberries and peppers, once i got 100 of each this layout was swapped back to my apple layout

[limpid sierra]

Me too. I only literally garden coz of weekly’s and to at least level my gardening on a steady basis. I plant apples 99% of the time and will just change if I want to join a focus food party..

[wary finch]

ok, I have my answers, even I cannot understand why you just don't care about something what would be so easy to fix.

[clear kindle]

because it's not important to me? and this is just to get items. so i don't need it to be efficient, just to get the items

[wary finch]

yeah, nevermind, I will never understand this kind of attitude

[stable ginkgo]

if you plant this i would also layout your plots in a 2x4 so you don't waste the bottom row.

[clear kindle]

again, i was just trying to get blueberries and spicy peppers to complete the cooking achievements. i got the cooking achievements. i will never plant blueberries or spicy peppers again so this is a moot point

[stable ginkgo]

i understand you, i did this to complete my accomplishments as well. my comment was just for Lys specifically since they were interested in min/maxing

[clear kindle]

i believe it's lys who has the amazing blueberry/spicy pepper layout which i admit if was my way of making money or if i did a lot of cooking totally would steal. i just like the idea of setting the crops and forgetting about them, allowing me to go off and fish for hours or bug hunt without worry about weeding, watering or such

[wind kite]

anyone got a garden that uses everything with 100 water and maybe 100 weed? [:

[pulsar hare]

Here’s these monstrous plot layouts if you are just going for aesthetic I guess ft. New crops (I haven’t quite gripped the water retain and weed prevention so I apologize if this just looks awful)

I’ll make a better looking one later. This was just thrown together bc I’ve been trying for hours to math this out to get as many crops in here as I can without wasting anything. Might refine it later while I make it look nicer

[verbal bridge]

Can you do it if you only have 1 apple seed and 5 blueberry seeds?

I only have as many seeds as the quest rewards I got from Badruu and Nai’o because my gardening is only level 8

But if I can figure out how to slot them into my garden I can use my seed maker to get more

[harsh nexus]

Hello,anyone help me please with 9*9 without blueberries,spici pepper and apples? with maximum harvet boost

[lilac wind]

Shout out for totally random garden layouts! I have one 2x2 grid, a 4-tile T shape with apple trees and a random single plot with bok choc and cabbage! At first I stressed about optimising but honestly I don't mind the weeding and watering of a few squares. Just wanted to know if I'm alone in chaotic farming (probably the wrong thread for this as I most folks in Gardening channel are seeking specific layouts) hi! 😉

[wary finch]

those are certainly not my garden plans then, because I rarely have any water retain or weed protection in high yield gardens. There my focus is on 100% speed boost with apples and blueberries and mostly harvest boosted as well. My youngest character is still using a peppers/blueberries layout though, which is a good solution for my garden shape at a pre-25 skill level.

[undone parrot]

I was all for the chaos prior to apple trees. They encourage companion planting for a reason! I’m organized about it now that I have all the seeds and want to focus on preserve jar profit.

[lilac wind]

oh well I have some smart combos (3 apple trees surround a hydration square with my sole cotton plant for cloth) , but I haven't optimized for any type of perfection.

[wary finch]

Currently my only layout with some weed prevention and water retain is my everything-garden, because it cannot be avoided with all crop types - this is my everything layout, which is not bad but far from what can be achieved by a high yield garden https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-R.QB.QB.QO.QB.QB.QR.QBkA-CoSp.QSp.QRSp.QSp.QAAR-AAAAAAAAA-B.QB.QCo.QB.QB.QRRAA-NNNNNNAR.QCr.Q-Sp.QSp.QASp.QSp.QACoRBk.Q-AABAABC.QRCo.Q-BRSp.QBCoSp.QWPT-Sp.QAASp.QAACbWCo.Q-AB.QB.QAB.QB.QNNN

[slow flame]

i never understand why people already good wast time to make a mathematical good garden ? idk... just plant apple seed, and come back the second days at 4:00pm-5:00pm then wait 6:00pm to have double water seed ?!

quite simply

[wary finch]

two worlds, I guess, just like I cannot understand people who just don't care about optimization if it could be done pretty easily.

it's like driving ferrari at 80mph and never want to drive those 200mph or more.

[clear kindle]

some people just don't like min/maxing

think that it takes away from the fun of the game

[wary finch]

it does in a way, you are right, if one earns money too quickly, which is why I have 2 more characters now, which do it a bit differently.

But it comes with playing a lot less.

[pulsar hare]

I’ll see what I can do! I just need to know how many garden plots you have. And what plants you’ve got already

[limpid sierra]

You can plant the seeds you have now. Once you get the fruit throw them in the seeder so you’ll have more to plant later. The quality of the crops will eventually improve as you level up even without fertilisers or boosts from other crops nearby.

[wary finch]

I don't know what he wants to achieve, but he could start with this from the left, which would already work with just 3 garden plots and then add more apples and blueberries as he goes. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrCo.QCrA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-RB.QB.QCo.QB.QB.QCrA.QA.Q-R.QB.QB.QCr.QB.QB.QA.QA.QA.Q-NNNNNNA.QCr.QR.Q-A.QA.QA.QB.QB.QR.QB.QB.QW.Q-B.QB.QB.QB.QB.QB.QCrCo.QCr-B.QA.QA.QB.QA.QA.QWCo.QCr-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QCo.QWCr.Q-A.QB.QB.QA.QB.QB.QNNNä

it has a lot of corn because I use pickled corn in worm farms and as foodstuff.

[steel dawn]

For any interesting, mine is this one. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WCRCoAAWAA-BkSpSpASpSpACrW-BkBBCoBBTRCr-OAABkWBCWB-AAABAABAA-APOACoPARC-TWAOCoAPRA-AASpAASpAACr-SpCrTSpCoWCoTP I focus on the Apples and blueberries because they give me fast grow fertilizer and good money, but I have everyhting for cooking 😄

[wary finch]

apples need 3 boost of the same type to get the boost, so you would need to add more blueberries to get the speed boost on your apple trees.

[steel dawn]

sorry, wrong link

v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbCRCoAAWAA-OBkOABBABB-BkSpSpWSpSpCrRBk-OAABkWBCCrB-AAABAABAA-AOCASpSpASpSp-TWACCoAPRA-AACrAABAAB-RWCrBBkWBCP

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbCRCoAAWAA-OBkOABBABB-BkSpSpWSpSpCrRBk-OAABkWBCCrB-AAABAABAA-AOCASpSpASpSp-TWACCoAPRA-AACrAABAAB-RWCrBBkWBCP

That's the good one 😛

Also those squared in red can be changed by any need you have, more tomatoes, more napa cabbage, more potatoes, cotton or so...

Mine is based to lvl 25+ that makes everything starred. If you have lvl <25 then you may want to change some onion-carrot-bok choy by cotton to get starred apple trees and berry busHES

[wary finch]

I'm not any good at cooking yet, which basically means, I have no clue which amounts of veggies, peppers, berries and apples I'd need to do this kind of stuff. So I trust in you having found a good amount.

[steel dawn]

When I don't need so much ingredients, I maximized by creating seeds from wheat, rice, potatoes and cotton and the rest setting in my preserved rices. Or change my layout to whatever I need.

• Potatoes🪙 = Tomatoes = Napa Cabbage
• Onion🪙 = Carrot = Bok choy
• Wheat🪙= Corn = Rice

🪙= That is the more profitable option

[steel dawn]

Hehehe, yes, apples and blueberries are for cake parties 😄

and also I got enough to eat apple jam for recover "focus" that I have maximum and it's hard to got it up(basically, 3 jams is not enough haha, and I know other food is better, but that means to have time to cook them as well).

[wary finch]

not so sure about this, all my layout with mostly rice instead of wheat and corn show a higher income, because rice grows quickly especially if in between blueberries or near apples.

[steel dawn]

Yes, corn is more-less more profitable, but ypou can have both, and it happens that if you are connected to recollect more times, you got tons of wheat and no so much corn 😛

so what I have is one seed machine doing wheat seeds from 30 wheat and then change to corn and set them in the preserved jar 😄

[wary finch]

I use more corn than rice lately, because pickled corn isn't performing much less good in worm farms than pickled potatoes and it is my food as well.

[steel dawn]

but if you have only few time each day, it may change 😄

[wary finch]

I deliberately cut down on my playtime, because getting too quickly too much money is taking the fun out of the game, so I slowed down.

[steel dawn]

haha yeah, me too, but lunar festival card game is too addictive hahaha

[pulsar hare]

I think I kinda figured it out to make it look nice? As long as the wheat, rice, and corn stay near the apple and blueberry bush, it should give you crop boosts. The other 4 crops you can play around with!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BBBBBBWWW-BCrBBCrBCrCrCr-BBBBBBRRR-WWWTTTTTT-AAAAAAAAA-RRRTTTTTT-PPPPPPCCC-CoCoCoCoCoCoCoCoCo-OOOOOOCCC

I took the cabbage and bok choy off bc idk if you got that from the market yet, but again u can play with it a little

[verbal bridge]

I’m gardening level 8 so I don’t actually have full access to blueberries or apples yet I just happened to complete Naio and Badruu’s friendship quests.

I have 9 plots overall. I guess I technically now have access to everything?

I can link what was given to me before that I’m currently growing and using:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoCb-SpSpRSpSpCoBkCBk-SpSpRSpSpCoCOCr-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoBk-SpSpRSpSpCoCbTCb-SpSpRSpSpCoPTCr-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoCb-SpSpRSpSpCoBkCBk-SpSpRSpSpCoBkOBk

I will say this though I do like an all rounder experience since I’m still leveling everything.

Sticky bug bombs want cloth, so I need cotton not to mention when it comes up in furniture making.

Seems like all the foods are used across all recipes to one degree or another and I’ve got 750 focus by this point.

Plus gifts.

[subtle ocean]

this is mine with the new crops and 100% weedblock/water retain and growth boost on apples blueberrys and peppers

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PCOTOCrOBkP-TPTRCRCbOCb-OCPCrOTPBkO-BkBBCbBBPSpSp-AAAAAAAAA-BBBkBBCbSpSpP-OSpSpCTWCoCbC-BkTBkCPCOTO-SpSpOWTCCCbCo

[wary finch]

you can buy fabric from Tish's register in her shop,

But you will need fabric as well for preserve jars, so it might be better to grow cotton.

[verbal bridge]

Only difference I’d do is trade out 3 potatoes for Bok Choy and 3 onions for cabbage 🙂

Maybe someone sells peppers if I need them in a pinch

[clear kindle]

currently peppers are not sold at badruu's

[subtle ocean]

zeki sells them I think

[clear kindle]

the seeds yes, but not the raw crop

[subtle ocean]

ohhhh

[clear kindle]

blueberries, apples, and peppers are the only crops that are currently not available to be bought raw

[verbal bridge]

Mmm I see

Not sure how to incorporate peppers in then

[fleet widget]

Just found this

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[verbal bridge]

Where’d that post go

I was reading that

[pulsar hare]

I put in the wrong pic lmao sorry. Just a sec

Ok here’s this

Should give you about 21 Cotten every 5 days

2 of each bush, one apple tree and 5 of every crop

[verbal bridge]

Just what I need for a cook like me! Thank you!

Now there’s a dilemma…

Something about stockpiling now and somehow transitioning into those high profit farms later as I get more blueberry and apple seeds and get my farming up… but then how do you make money in the mean time

Haha

I guess that’s for me to figure out

How much to sell, how much to keep and how much to turn into seeds for the future

[uneven plume]

Is Napa cabbage worth growing over potatoes? 🤔 I don't think so

[clear kindle]

looks like napa cabbage is worse money wise for growing, but is used in cooking recipes along with it's preserve

[nova yoke]

Starred pickled cabbage and Starred seeded cabbage both sell for 90,

If that gives an idea.
Idk the exact profits for potatoes however. You can replace the tomatoes for the water retain

[pulsar hare]

For the crops that only take 1 item to make 4 seeds, I just kept turning them into seeds and cashed them in once I got a full stack, but only if I’ve already replanted and have more crops turning into seeds

At least that was before I got the preserved maker

For the bigger ones, same rules apply but I sold the actual stack of crops not seeds

[pulsar hare]

It’s all about trial and error with this stuff. How fast you want your crops vs. how much profit you can get out of it. I’m sure dozens of people already have their formula for their garden! And the garden planner definitely helps. I just wish we could get more plots…

[wary finch]

Napa cabbage kimchi is about as good in worm farms as pickled corn (iirc 11/28 for the starred version in normal worm farm), but worse than pickled potatoes

[deft thistle]

anyone got a apple farm layout with water retention and quality? i dont really care about weed prevention

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbBkCbTOTCbBkCb-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkOBkCbTCbBkOBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkOBkCbTCbBkOBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbBkCbTOTCbBkCb-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H

this is what i'm running currently. you can swap out the fertilizer on the apples to the quality boost until you are at a higher level (near 25 when all star seeds will be star crops)

this setup (for me) is just harvesting the apples and leaving it and forgetting the crops unless they are needed

[pulsar hare]

My amateur suggestion lol. Obvi this one isn’t finished, but good starter layout I’d suggest filling the empty space with rice or wheat so the middle tree can increase output https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PNCoPNCoPNCo-AAAAAAAAA-CoCoCoNNNPPP-AAAAAAAAA-PPPNNNCoCoCo-AAAAAAAAA-CoNPCoNPCoNP-AAAAAAAAA

[gray knot]

Anyone have a gardening list of what items you can buy, what level, and how much? I know I can look at Badruu and see but was wondering if anyone had a list otherwise?

[sudden token]

Everyone out here making complex patterned Plots fir max profit, meanwhile me who don’t wanna look at a diagram for 30 minutes trying to figure out each time where to plant everything 💀 It’s too much work

[wary finch]

it isn't complicated at all once you have figured out what does what and with which it can be surrogated, in case you need something else without to change the parameters of your garden.

those gardens I see here of the "it's too much work" kind yield between 500k and 750k calculated over 360days with post processing, a well planned and maintained garden yields more than 1.5 million.

so yeah, if you are unlucky, the "it's too much work" attitude costs you a million gold in opportunity costs.

[sonic charm]

Who cares, there’s other ways to make money.

[pulsar hare]

We care here at the gardening channel. You have your way of making money, we have ours 🫶. We would just rather do this than anything else

[dusty kayak]

i only water/harvest/replace apple trees at this point
I leave like, wheat around the trees but after planting them i never touch them, i also leave the weeds on things that aren't the trees so I never have to pick weeds
I'm a retired gardener and now an apple jam worm farmer 🪱

waters trees
tabs out of game

[sonic charm]

I was saying that to the person saying that the "it’s too much work" attitude wasn’t good or whatever. If it’s too much work for them, they are allowed to not put in the effort and make money in other ways. :))

[clear kindle]

i'm with sen aka with my farm layout, i prefer being able to go on long fishing hauls, bug catching, relationship pushes, and mining sprees to build furniture than worry every hour to come home to tend to a garden. i've embraced the jam worm farmer lifestyle, until they release more plots

[dusty kayak]

🪱

[vestal lodge]

I only got blueberries a few days ago and can't wrap my head around what I would even do with a million gold. But gardening is definitely my favorite

Maybe I'd be fancy enough to buy fertilizer and metal for repair kits

[dusty kayak]

making 30k to 40k an IRL day and I very much spend it about as quickly as it comes and ive never even bought zeki coins

if i was ever near the gold cap Id just hoard the apple jam and starstones so i have like income planned in advance

[clear kindle]

i just leave things in my worm farm and preserve jars for future use, i've hit the gold cap so many times, i just use 100,000 on zeki coins to keep going

[dusty kayak]

i have never hit the gold cap and when i got close they released building clusters and i spent like 280k at once on buildings lol

[lofty sandal]

Getting that much a day just on gardening?
I'm getting maybe 15k a day on gardening.

[clear kindle]

depending on how long i play, yeah, my farm can push that amount. apple jams to the worm farms, clear out the worm farms in the morning and at night (irl) and then repeat the next day. can sell extra jams if needed or raw crop if over storing (one point had over 250 raw apples in storage)

[lofty sandal]

You're selling worms?

[clear kindle]

yeah, a full worm farm gives about 10-11k

with getting 120 star quality apples off of 5 trees each harvest and keeping my preserve jars full i usually have extra raw crop to drop off to sell as well if i feel like it

[lofty sandal]

How many worm farms do you have going?

[clear kindle]

i mean, i have like 4 worm farms and 2 glow worm farms, clearing all of them gives the 10k

so those that have more worm farms are hitting the higher numbers

[dusty kayak]

worm ruler gang

if i don't need glow worms, already have a supply, i have 8 worm farms rolling at all times

[peak spear]

Does speedygro work on apple trees?

[dusty kayak]

it absorbed it on growth tick when i set them down for the using fert weekly medal task, so I'd assume so

[clear kindle]

i get a little less, because i'm using some of the harvest boost for my apple trees

[dusty kayak]

speaking of, time to log in to water my trees befor the new day and after new day starts then log out

double growth ticks

[terse crag]

I can't find the post here that I stole this particular design from but thank you anyway haha, I'm happily preparing to bank seeds with 6 applers https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbA.SA.STA.SA.SPA.SA.S-A.SCrA.SA.SRA.SA.SWA.S-A.SA.SCbA.SA.STA.SA.SP-TA.SA.SCbA.SA.STA.SA.S-A.SCrA.SA.SRA.SA.SWA.S-A.SA.STA.SA.SCbA.SA.ST-PA.SA.STA.SA.SCbA.SA.S-A.SCrA.SA.SRA.SA.SWA.S-A.SA.SPA.SA.STA.SA.SCb

Sen your weed tip is really cool, it lets me replace the weed row in the middle of my trees with harvest boosties

[dusty kayak]

[rotund plume]

... there's a PLANNER?! 🤣 thanks!

ETA: HECK I LOVE NERDS! (That's totally a spreadsheet and I'm for it.)

[terse crag]

Oh yes, this community is absolutely on top of their tools game

massive kudos to all the folk that put 'em together, it was a warm welcome for me on switch (once I was ready for shmoilers)

[rotund plume]

... friends who are into data analysis for Fun and Profit are my favorite.

[dusty kayak]

check the pinned message in #🐣│palia-newbies for a list of game resources made by fans like the garden planner :)

they are game changers

[clear kindle]

especially the house planner

[rotund plume]

XD all the stuff is cute but i am That Function Over Form Autistic, so once none of the non-crafting furniture did anything that became a 'for later' project

i was going to bust out the graph paper for gardening, but, uh, 😅 nevermind

[dusty kayak]

my autistic partner also was graphing it earlier on lol he's cute

[rotund plume]

I'm part of the no-brainpics crew, so I can't do it in my head, and I'm waaaay too much of a completionist/perfectionist to not at least try to optimize...

[dusty kayak]

same for him LOL

[rotund plume]

the electric meat jello is doing its best 👍

[terse crag]

mine tried to make a sprawlign network of relationships to other crops, reinforced by rote memorization along staring at someone else's garden plan on my phone

I ended up saying goodbye to the everycrop farm for storage and simplicity reasons, we just farm apples now

[rotund plume]

I'm sure I'll get there, but I don't have apple access yet, so trying to farm XP along with gold lol

[terse crag]

however I did successfully replant that stolen design from memory a couple weeks after letting it fallow for decorative pathway purposes

[rotund plume]

love it when the neurons do the fun thing

[terse crag]

absolutely a good idea, I guess once you're over 25 gardening you don't get base quality crops from starred seeds even if they gots no cotton/peepo or quality poop

[rotund plume]

oh, sweet. time to crank out some garden xp then.. I like efficiency

[upbeat quail]

whats the wooden border called omg i need it

[dusty kayak]

garden edging, not released yet

[upbeat quail]

then how do you have it? mods?

[dusty kayak]

lord no not mods lol just a bug once

[upbeat quail]

ooohhh lucky

[dusty kayak]

yeah was patched very fast lol

[vestal lodge]

I stumbled reading this

[nova yoke]

Potato seeds are likely your next best bet.
Pickled potatoes are also amazing for worm farms if you get an abundance

[rotund plume]

Sweet, thank you 🙂 I just unlocked the preserve jar

[nova yoke]

The preservative jar is going to be your best friend.
Especially for the money

Also Zeki lvl3 friendship gives you an apple seed, and N'aio lvl 3 does, if I remember correctly.

[sterile vessel]

how is this layout? i based it off of the layout that xandraa made for me, but i just adjusted it for the new crops

[vernal bluff]

Why don’t u harvest boost ur apples?

Harvest boosted apples give so much more apples and apples give good gold👀

[twilit tapir]

where can I find this crop layout thingy?

[acoustic laurel]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[twilit tapir]

[wary finch]

that is what you read but not what I was saying, I know that everyone can play how they want to, but it is quite costly seen in opportunity costs, to have this attitude. For those not familiar with opportunity costs, it is the amount of money you don't make because you missed the opportunity to do so - I didn't judge the "too much work" attitude, I just said, I cannot understand why someone would not want to make twice or 3 times more.

[sterile vessel]

can i just do that using the harvest boost fertilizer from glow worm farms? cuz i dont want to deal with watering that every day

[sonic charm]

You can make a lot of money off of gardening without all the crop planning! I have. Not everyone has the mental energy and that’s okay too, it’s just a game after all.

[restive elm]

Depends, what is your purpose? Garden for fun? Or are you planting those crops for aesthetics? Or are you trying to maximize profit? Or get high profit with less work than max profit?

To me, your garden looks like way too much maintenance work for how low the profit is and I would personally never use it with how many different crops you're planting at once. If you need certain crops to stockpile for cooking, just grow all of those crops at once for a few days irl and then never plant them again, so you can focus on more profit or better efficiency.

[wary finch]

this or you make a high yield garden (seen in cash), grow just apples, blueberries and peppers, because you cannot buy those, and buy all the other crops from Badruu's shop in quanties you need. If your garden is 3times as efficient, it doesn't matter much, that Badruu's shop has higher prices, well if and only if you don't need to buy mass amounts from his shop.

[sterile vessel]

my intention it to make garden with all the crops i need for cooking, so i never have to worry about running out of one ingredient

[restive elm]

If that's all you need then you'll probably get a large stockpile pretty quickly with that plot, which isn't too bad if you don't mind all the work going into it.

But your plot reminds me about the most impractical plot I've ever built for Profits x variety x automated farming.

Just replace apple tree for blueberry or peppers as needed lol. Replanting this was annoying so I only ever did it once,

You might find the first one useful as it makes 20k more gold in the 30 day window.

[sterile vessel]

ty, i appreciate your suggestions and you providing me plot ideas that you think are better, do you know how much of a difference it makes that i am pre level 25 thought

that is my only concern about your plots

[restive elm]

not a huge difference to be honest.

Oh those were not meant to be serious suggestions. I would go more with something simple like these and just alternate depending on crop lol

[sterile vessel]

ohhh this is what you meant

shorter, quicker harvests

[restive elm]

Those were my early gardens. (The tomato one. The cabbage one is just a new variation of it) and these are the 3 I actually use now.

[sterile vessel]

and place blueberry, apple, and pepper as needed?

what's your focus food

[restive elm]

Potatoes

[sterile vessel]

oh you dont cook your focus food damn

[restive elm]

I have one preserve jar whose sole purpose is to feed me

[sterile vessel]

preserves i see

[restive elm]

sometimes I'll make apple pie/cakes

especially if i have a party or at least 2 friends

I'll eat the non starred ones and sell the starred ones

[sterile vessel]

that makes sense

[restive elm]

That last one is honestly my current favorite. Only 24 crops to worry about instead of 81 lol

[sterile vessel]

is there a reason you leave the center square blank in the last one

[restive elm]

Sometimes I'm too lazy to water/weed it. But i'll often put a tomato plant there

or even any crop i'm running low on but don't want to redo my plot

and just slowly build it up through one harvest at a time haha

[sterile vessel]

i think i'll try one of your plots once im able to produce enough of those seeds, cuz im accustomed to only making enough seeds for the plot pattern i've been currently using

i have one apple seed and 2 blueberry seeds LOL

[sterile vessel]

chaotic but i totally do that too

[restive elm]

better start building up those apple seeds! Always have as much as you plan to replant +1 extra in case you change your mind

I did 9 apple seed garden once and getting enough harvest boost fertilizer was a nightmare

• i kept forgetting to make enough seeds in time so I'd have like 7 trees + random crops

[sterile vessel]

oh thats awful omg

[wary finch]

properly boosted, your only apple tree can generate 96 apples, which you can convert into 9 seeds plus 6 apples, which you can preserve and use the jam in a glow worm farm until your other newly planted trees will be ready for harvest. So one apple seed at start is enough to get it going.

can be done without boosts as well ofc, but it's then just 4 seeds and 8 apples for jam production from your first apple tree.

[clear kindle]

but placing the harvest boost is easy with rice, wheat and corn next to the apple tree as it grows

[wary finch]

speed boost as well, he has 2 blueberry seeds.

[mystic trail]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TAAPAACbAA-ABBABBATCb-AAAAAAAAA-BBNBBNCbPN-AAAAAAAAA-NCbTNBBNBB-AAAAAAAAA-PCbABBABBA-AACbAAPAAT

I’m using this one for most apples and blueberries

[wary finch]

You could have 50% more apples with 1 apple tree less and nearly 3times as many blueberries with 2 bushes more, if you wouldn't insist on water retain. But I guess you value water retention more.

[dusty kayak]

if you're out and about playing and dont wanna go back home it makes sense

[wary finch]

yeah, it does, but it is quite costly, I mean 33% less apples and 65% less blueberries is quite a price to pay for this convenience.

[dusty kayak]

i mean if youre already 1. making a good enough income to cover the costs of your goals and 2. doing something else that creates income in the meantime like mining for starstones
you'd be pretty well off regardless

potentially could even make more profit staying out and about and fishing, mining, etc instead of going back home and having to leave it again

[vernal bluff]

Now I am challenged with placing 5 harvest+water trees and 4 water blueberries, but manage only 4 and 4 lol

[wary finch]

I guess, I just play differently, I am not out and about for longer than 42 hours, which leaves me enough time to care for the garden before 6am and prepare it for the next 42 hours, before I would have to return again. I don't have to be back every 24 hours to maintain it.

[wary finch]

5/4 might be hard to do, this here would be my approach for 4/6 with 100% growth boost, decent harvest boost and 100% water retention, but I would actually never do it like this, because it costs about 1200 gold/day to insist on this water retention.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-Cr.QP.HpCr.QA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-R.QB.HpB.HpP.HpB.HpB.HpCr.QA.HpA.Hp-R.HpB.HpB.HpCr.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-NNNNNNA.HpCr.HpR.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpR.HpB.HpB.HpW.Hp-B.HpB.HpB.HpB.HpB.HpB.HpCr.QP.HpCr.Q-B.HpA.HpA.HpB.HpA.HpA.HpW.QP.HpCr.Q-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpW.QP.HpCr.Q-A.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpNNN

[vernal bluff]

I did 4 and 4 with no fertilizers and harvest boost the apples

[vernal bluff]

Ahahah, definitely too much fertilizers, I better water my plants

[wary finch]

exactly

[vernal bluff]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-01111_CROPS-PAATAAPAA-ARPAWTARP-AAAAAAAAA-RTRWPWRTR-AAAAAAAAA-BBBBBBTPT-BBBBBBTPT-AAAAAAAAA-PTPTBBWBB

Here is what I did ahahahha

[wary finch]

it's 3.2k/day with post processing calculated over 360 days, I'm used to 5.2k/day, that is why I am so hard to convince to use any water retention. It is simply highly expensive to do that.

[vernal bluff]

Don’t do it either, but it’s a good challenge still

[wary finch]

yeah. but so far I found no good solution to this problem, which would convince me to actually do it.

[dusty kayak]

Pickling / seeding the potatoes and tomatoes or whatever you can use at least are still profitable

[vernal bluff]

Well, nobody can make u do it, but some ppl like lazy layouts

[dusty kayak]

But my main account is at a point it doesnt matter and i just apple jam worm farm

[vernal bluff]

I think u get it a lot lol, so sorry in advance, but do u have 6 worm farms or more?

[dusty kayak]

7 or 8 depending on if i need glow worms then its 7 regular 1 glow

But 6 would suffice they just get full around 15 jam or so

Sometimes i have 30 jam in all 8 of them lol

[vernal bluff]

Ok, mb I need at least 2 more, bc 6 normal ones fill up SO FAST

[dusty kayak]

Fr fr

[wary finch]

ok but you can juggle seeders/jars/worm farms after what you currently need, you don't have to have them out all in parallel, which saves license costs.

[dusty kayak]

Yeah

All worm farms are in constant use i just switch off 1 for glow when i need it

And i technically could put some others away but they have aesthetic purposes lul but its ok 7 or 8 worm farms works

Already maxed 30 licenses a while ago

[vernal bluff]

I need at least two of them for grow boost

[dusty kayak]

Ah lol

me dont do that

[vernal bluff]

Niiice

[dusty kayak]

My gold sink is mod kits and always will be xD

[vernal bluff]

I like overflowing in apples

[rustic compass]

I have one apple seed, which seeds should I plant it with?

[vernal bluff]

It depends on your goal: for faster blueberries (2), for more rice/corn/wheat (3pieces) for lazy potato/ tomato/cabbage

[wary finch]

blueberries for growth boost, and grains for harvest boost (rice, wheat, corn). 3 plots of the same boost type have to touch your apple tree for the boost to be applied.

[rustic compass]

I plan to turn em into more seeds, tho I think I can only get one blueberry seed rn

[wary finch]

then just plan for the 2nd one, that there is space for it to plant it, when you will have it.

harvest boost is important, it gets you 24 instead of 12 apples per harvest, so don't leave that out (rice, wheat, corn)

you need 10 apples for one seed, so the amount is vital especially starting out with apple trees.

[rustic compass]

Right, copy that thanks a lot!

[rustic compass]

Damn apple seeds be expensive 😔

[hallow wedge]

Just sharing my new rotation of farming when adding the cabbage and Bokchoy, one with blueberries and another without. I tried to add almost all the plants except onions and carrots. Any way I can improve this?

[verbal bridge]

How do you garden? Do you pick as they’re ready and replace? Pick and don’t replace? Wait until the end when everything is ready and pick all at once?

[acoustic laurel]

Pick and replant as they're ready. You shouldn't pick and not replace since the plants won't get the buffs. I don't wait until the end because that's too much work at once but ready plants still should give buffs so this is up to you

[verbal bridge]

Yeah. I was not prepared

I have holes in my garden because I didn’t foresee far enough and now I have to use my crops to make seeds to replace

:/

Well I guess I could run to Zekis and have these for next time

🤔

They won’t be star quality but something is better than nothing

[acoustic laurel]

I keep enough seeds to replant everything twice probably overkill but I'd rather have too much than not enough.