🌱│gardening

[ember pelican]

Is the speedygro bugged or something or am i misunderstanding the use of it making things grow in half the time?

[wary finch]

it wouldn't be half, you get 50% speed up.

per 2 days 1 extra day of growth, so 2+1,2+1,2+1,2+1 lets an apple tree grow in 8 days instead of 12

[ember pelican]

Ooooh, gotcha. So itd be best to scatter it every 2 days or it doesnt matter?

[feral elbow]

For 3-4 days crops, only 1 is needed
2 for 5 days plants
May be more for pepper, blueberries, tomatoes and apple trees i think.
You can put more than 1 similar fertilizer at the same time, it will be used 1 by 1 by the crop(s)

also, it's me or the crops don't grow when i'm offline ?

after an irl night, my garden have to be ready to harvest but no

[median patrol]

Does that not depend on if they are fully watered etc? My crops make no progress if they're dried up (i dont have water retain on all of my crops)

idk if there are other factors that it depends on, other than the growth time specific to each crop

[acoustic laurel]

Crops only grow one tick when you're offline

[feral elbow]

fully watered

[feral elbow]

it was what i'm thinking, thanks

[median patrol]

Ty for clearing it up 🙂

[feral elbow]

there is a lamp that light in a wide area ?
at night, my soils are really dark

[dusty kayak]

all my money comes from worms and p00p i am a worm and p00p farmer lol
i just have 6 apple trees with harvest boost, i stopped picking the crops im using for harvest boost and just only harvest/replant apple trees
and then i jam the apple and put the jam in worm farms
I have 12 preserve jars and 7 worm farms

i also put a handful into the glow worm farm for a source of glow worms, go fishing with the glow worms looking for makeshift furniture and sell everything else and the fish alone gets like 12k lol

im about to check my profit made overnight 🥱

[feral elbow]

i have 10 seed machines, 10 preserve jars, 4 glow worm farm
and 6 machines between fabric maker, forge, sawmill and glass furnace

even with all that, i have some congestion because my machines are all full

[edgy leaf]

Ooooh LOL I love that! Where in the world can I get 🍎 seeds?!

[dusty kayak]

my profits overnight from worm farm

[dusty kayak]

apple seed is from

1. Level 10 gardening and buying one with skill medals (only buy one and make more seeds yourself to save on medals)
2. RNG from Zeki gacha (do not recommend aiming for this but if it happens randomly good for you xD)
3. Level 3 friendship quest from ||Nai'o OR Zeki|| rewards you with one or two
4. If you have randomly found an apple before you can request more apples until you have 10 and can make a seed

[edgy leaf]

YES WORK IT WORMS

This is all very helpful. I will remember your kindness when I become Worm Queen.

[wise ruin]

Oh ok, i’ll give that a try, thanks!

This garden layout you responded to will get you ultimately 636 apples by day 30 (which is a lot).

If you have 5 or 6 preserve jars, then I recommend turning them all into apple jam.

What will happen is that once per irl day, you will get enough apple jam to sell for AT LEAST 10,000 gold.

I hope this helps.

It’s quantity of star quality apples over quality of overall garden.

[dusty kayak]

@valid plank I now have 8 weeds on a weedplot, destroyed a crop so weeds can't grow on the same plot, and let a weed grow on an already finished growing harvest boosting crop outside of weedplot, I am now weed free on trees forever and safe from the growing in reverse bug

[lime summit]

Hey guys I had a quick question about water retention. If I have 100% water retention, will my crops continously grow while I'm offline? Like If I alternate tomatoes and potatoes, will they be grown when I log in every few hours? Or does it cap at one stage of growth?

From my understanding and my quick test last night with a singular plot, the crops will stay watered, but will only progress one day even if multiple in-game days have passed. For instance, I planted a blueberry bush with alternating tomatoes and potatoes so everything is water retained, I then logged off last night and expected to log on to fully grown crops this morning, but they weren't even close to being fully grown. Is this just how it works? You must be online for the water retention to continously grow your crops?

[dusty kayak]

crops only grow for 1 growth tick then stop when offline

!crops

[compact coral]

Badruu

Why aren't my crops growing?

Crops can only grow up to 1 stage per Palian Day as long as your online. Keep that in mind!

[lime summit]

Ahhh okay okay, thank you. I thought I had this mastermind plan of logging in every couple hours to harvest a bunch of bloobs and make tons of money

[dusty kayak]

i like to log in before the new hour to get 2 growth ticks in

the one from current and the next one

[wary finch]

it just completes the current day, when you are offline and adds quite a lot of weed, if it isn't weed protected.

[dusty kayak]

yeah weed also prevents growth

which is why i have a weedplot XD

[feral elbow]

yes

[lime summit]

So with water retention, you're basically sacrificing a bit of money output to be able to ignore your plants while you play the game?

[dusty kayak]

your money output is fine if you seed or pickle the water retain crops and replace them

[lime summit]

Yeah, from the start I was doing only tomato in a 2x4 garden and keeping my preservers full with start tomatoes and selling the rest. It's planting seaosn for me and I'm trying to justify making my plot fully water retained. What if I did alternating tomatoes and potatoes? Potatoes sell for a lot when pickled no?

[wary finch]

I likeyour garden, it has something unique to it.

[lime summit]

Something simple like this would be better than my all-tomatoes right?

[nova yoke]

Pickled Potatoes are best for fertilizer and getting worms in both farms.

[lime summit]

I'm sorry i haven't played the game enough to understand that mechanic. You can get worms in your farm?

[nova yoke]

No, or... Kinda. There's a machine called a worm and glow worm farm for fishing

[lime summit]

Oh right right, I have a worm farm

[nova yoke]

And it can give you fertilizer also to boost your crops.

[lime summit]

You put the pickled potatoes in the worm farm?

[nova yoke]

Harvest and quality boost.
Yeah

[dusty kayak]

it's this idea from Milk :)
Just if you have 9 weeds on the same plot it causes a bug, so i let 1 happen outside of the weedplot where it won't ruin anything (on a harvest boosting crop that finished growing)

i just water, harvest, and replace apple trees only

[nova yoke]

(left is for regular worm farm and right is for glow worm farm)

[dusty kayak]

im retired from the hard work at this point

[nova yoke]

Idk why starred potatoes are the best, but it's convenient since I often have quite a few extra.

[dusty kayak]

full document (doesn't work on mobile to view)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[lime summit]

But how do you turn a profit if you turn your pickled potatoes into worm food

[dusty kayak]

sell worms and fert

[nova yoke]

That's the neat part, you don't.
It just boosts the quality and amount of OTHER crops.

[dusty kayak]

all my money comes from apple jam to worm farms

[nova yoke]

Also it'll help in the long haul for getting more easy access to worms.
Oh that

[dusty kayak]

I get about 20k twice an irl day
i collect when i wake up and refill
then collect before bed and refill
so about 40k a day

[nova yoke]

I just get my money from selling starred apple jams and just saving time on that other step.

[lime summit]

So the chart is saying that if I put in a single starred potato, I'll get 9 worms and and 22 fert in a regular worm farm?

[dusty kayak]

apple math

[nova yoke]

And I just sell a bunch of apple jam. I don't care for crazy numbers.

[dusty kayak]

i just like making money when i sleep heehee

[nova yoke]

According to that chart, it seems so.
Maybe that's better to do.

I just did starred jars since someone told me to once.
It's whatever you find most convenient, you can ignore the un__Sen__sible charts from Sen and just do the casual style.

[dusty kayak]

i mean i will never tell someone how they should play obviously

I just like talking about different strategies

[nova yoke]

That cat emoji just kills me.

[dusty kayak]

Tons of ways to make money in this game always do what you enjoy doing

[nova yoke]

So ye, either jar the potato or just use potato by itself. Both seem to be the best option for it.

[olive crypt]

Is the worm and fert calculations for regular worms or glow worms?

[dusty kayak]

regular worms are more money output, but i also toss a handful into 1 glow worm farm to use for fishing and sell the fish while i search for makeshift furniture

[wary finch]

preserve potatoes and use in worm farms, or if you have that in abundance, you can use it as food as well or sell it, pickled potatoes are really useful.

[dusty kayak]

jam, regular worm farm, glow worm farm, in the yellow boxes in that order

[lime summit]

Gotcha, I'm just gonna do my own thing and figure out what works. Thanks for the tips and advice guys

[wary finch]

of course, these are just options.

[dusty kayak]

the fun part of palia is the freedom to do whatever you want and still get a good enough profit output

[wary finch]

yeah, very balanced crops, it's really nice.

I think your method, @dusty kayak, is best for someone with a regular work schedule, because it generates most of the income in jars, which operate 24/7.

[dusty kayak]

yeah it helps me not be distracted by palia all day XD and work on things im supposed to be working on

[fervent shadow]

thnx for all the info! im gonna need more worm farms.

[fervent shadow]

how many preserves jars / worm farms you run?

[dusty kayak]

12 jars and 7 worm farms, 1 glow worm farm

[fervent shadow]

k thanx. not sure how ill go yet. good info

[dusty kayak]

i want more crafting licenses so I can stardew valley it

[clear kindle]

wouldn't that be nice

[fervent shadow]

yes

[clear kindle]

so with the apple cider layout, do you pick the rice/wheat/corn and seed them as well, or do you just leave them alone and harvest the apple trees

[dusty kayak]

im retired, I just water/harvest/replant ONLY the apple trees

i'm getting old /j

[rocky vessel]

Hey there! There is no way to have a 9x9 with 3 boost at 100% without fertilizer, right ? (Trying to do at least 1 of each and have harvest, water, weed boost on them all)

[rocky vessel]

do you have a good layout for apples? As I can't achieve what I wanted, I now changed my mind and want to harvest/replant only apples and cotton.
So objective is to have all boosts on those 2 type of crops

Btw, does Weed stop the bonus also ?

[dusty kayak]

weed has not prevented me from bonuses so far, my weedplot still shows it having water retain LOL

[rocky vessel]

Can someone else confirme this?
If I put weed protection only on the crops that I plan to harvest (apple, cotton) even if other crops have weed their bonus still applies?

[dusty kayak]

i took a screenshot of my weedplot and its buffs being active before

[rocky vessel]

It's kinda strange because, somehow, I had to re-water ONE of my apple trees, but only 1 day, then it worked again. So I thought that it was because a potatoe near to it had a weed and thus canceled the bonus

So in theory, if I gather only Apples and Cotton, with this set-up I could totally ignore weed on my plot https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoPWOA.SA.SCrA.SA.S-CCoRA.STA.SA.SCA.S-CrOCoA.SA.SPA.SA.SW-RA.SA.SCoTCCA.SA.S-A.SWA.SPCoOA.SCrA.S-A.SA.SCCTCoA.SA.SR-WA.SA.SPA.SA.SCoOCr-A.SCA.SA.STA.SRCoC-A.SA.SCrA.SA.SOWPCo

[still blade]

Thank you. I managed to complete the first layout that you provided for me, but unfortunately it doesn't provide enough for my current needs anymore so I have to upgrade. It helped me tons until now though. Thanks again! I will slowly work my way to complete this new apple one then.

[wary finch]

I am not convinced, that a weed plot is still necessary. I'm pretty certain that I pulled 9 weeds from my garden at least once and it is still running fine.

well, not from one soil plot, but from the whole garden that is.

[dusty kayak]

weed plot is only neccasary for a perm weedblocking

however 9 weeds on 1 plot has a tendency to cause a bug where crops grow in reverse so i keep 8 on one and 1 weed elsewhere it doesn't bother me

[dusty kayak]

it could have been it showed the buffs dispite not actually supposed to be showing buffs for me but i have no clue sometimes palia has wonk that's hard to calculate for

[rocky vessel]

I'll just try it out and see I guess haha

[dusty kayak]

like sometimes for forage the "i havent been picked" noise still plays, dispite it having been picked before

[clear kindle]

so, i'm trying to do the apple cider layout with a weed plot. using water retain on all crops except weed plot, because they are checkerboard tomatoes and potatoes (so they should always maintain water). i come back after a few excursions out to find a weed on the weed plot (good) but the tomato that has the weed on it needs to be watered even though the other two potatoes are right next to it. so weeds do block buffs from other crops

[rocky vessel]

so, weed does block buffs FROM other crops, but it doesn't block buffs TO other crops right ?

[clear kindle]

also had to water an apple tree that had a weed on it even though it had water retention fert.

not sure fully, because the tomato with the weed is a corner and the potatoes to the sides of it have tomatoes as well buffing them

[rocky vessel]

Hm ok, I guess it's still something I'll need to discover then
I don't really care if a weed block the buffs received, all that matters for my layout is that weed doesn't prevent from giving buffs.

[clear kindle]

it also looks like weeds will prevent fertilizers from doing their jobs as well

placed 99 water retain fertilizers on each of my crops when i placed everything down at the same time, and the apple tree that had the weed on it has 90 fert on it while the others have 81

[rocky vessel]

Yea sounds logic, if it can't receive buffs from other crops, can't receive from fertilizer.

[rocky vessel]

Next in-game day reset I'll definitly know if buffs are still transfered to the other crops if a crop has weed on it, or if the weed does also prevent the seed to give its buffs further

[rocky vessel]

Alright, seems like Weed doesn't prevent a crop from giving its buff 😄 good news for my layout.

[wise ruin]

my pleasure, i'm happy to help. also after manually applying the 30 as the last day, this layout increased the amount of apples to 660 when Gardening level is 25 or above.

[still blade]

Thank you. Unfortunately mine is still Lvl10. But I'll save it for when I reach that level!

[wise ruin]

Sounds good 👍

[steady rover]

really good passive fried rice set-up

you can use ferts or whatever but for set-it and forget-it this is functional

that's my EXP one for anyone trying to power level while making good background money

you can add more tomatoes as you get more money to invest into it 🙂

or even switch out for star seeds in the future for even more money!

hope these helped or at least gave some inspiration

[steady rover]

this also looks really pleasing to walk through while pressing "G" 😁

obv if there is better exp farms lmk but i think for now these are cool?

[wary finch]

there is not really an objective better or worse, all crops have just marginal differences and even the post-processing is roughly adding 50% value regardless of which kind of crop it is. What makes the difference is more your intention with your layout and what you want to do afterwards with your produce. As long as this is just seeding/preservation and selling afterwards, the differences are again just marginal.

[gray harbor]

Not sure if its the right chat...
I planted a tree. Will I be able to destoy it once I have a better axe? Or are they stuck there forever?

[velvet lake]

Tree will be there until its cycle is complete;
12 days growing with 3 additional harvests that have 6 days in between -> 30 in game days if you stay on top of taking care of them

[gray harbor]

It was the kind of tree that doesnt grow. Like I placed it though "H" menu if that makes sense. It looks like its cosmetic?

Guess "planted" was the wrong word, sorry!

[velvet lake]

Oh!!

[slow flame]

Yes you can chop the trees you have planted with acorns, samaras, pinecones and juniper seeds

[gray harbor]

Yay, thank you!
I made some silly decisions. So nice to hear that its not permanent.

[wary finch]

you mean an oak, juniper or pine tree? -you will be able to cut it down like any other cutable tree in the game.

iirc Hassian made you plant a tree as part of a quest to acquire permanent residency, which made you learn about the past, present and future

[gray harbor]

Yes! That's the permanent residency quest.

Thank you for your answers, everyone.
My axe sucks right now, so I was a bit nervous these will be prop trees and I won't be able to get rid of them.

I can be at peace.

[wary finch]

it is good that we can plant trees, because those we cut on our property won't regrow, neither do trees nor bushes nor scrub, so be mindful, what you cut down on your property, because it is lost on every plot you might buy later on as well.

[thorny cradle]

should i allways use stared seeds?, or does rank 25+ gardening no longer need to?

[slow flame]

I think someone said that the chance to get a star quality crop is 2% chance per level + 50% if you use a star quality seed

Which would mean level 50 to be sure of getting star quality vegeables with normal seeds

[thorny cradle]

i see thanks

[slow flame]

not counting the fertilizer or nearby crops bonus effect

[slow flame]

The idea is to have a bit of everything with 100% water retain, decent harvest boost and weed prevention without any consideration to quality boost (star seed and level 25+). Messy but it works

[rich nexus]

Hi all! My farming just reached level 10. What is your fav gold farm technique/layout implementing the 9x9 plots, the worm farms, and/or the preserves? Not currently concerned with keeping all crop types in stock in storage. 💚

[clear kindle]

personally, the way that i played it was until i was able to get blueberries or apples, i simply did rows of potatoes and tomatoes, seeding star and preserving regular. but once i was able to get blueberries (either buying a bag when you have the guild coins or doing badruu's level 3 friendship) and apples (nai'o's and zeki's level 3 friendship, guild coins or lucky from zeki's machine) i did for a while a pinwheel effect of apples and blueberries with tomatoes and potatoes to keep them watered. now i'm trying to do the apple cider layout (6 apple trees with rice and wheat for harvest boost and water retention fert)

everything preserve jars and to the worm farm they go

[nova yoke]

Is there a way to pick tilled farm land? I accidentally tilled the plots gifted from baduu , for a player who was very new to the game and it's not letting them pick up the plot anymore and they cant complete the tilling quest now.

[elfin blaze]

are we seeing new crops with Luna New Year update???

[dusty kayak]

yes ! ||can confirm from Adain lol||

[scenic moss]

will we get more dirt fields to accommodate the new crops?

[clear kindle]

looks like two different crops...

maybe leeks and lettuce? leeks and cabbage?

[dusty kayak]

spoilers: ||bok choy and cabbage||

[clear kindle]

ehh, kinda close

[thorny cradle]

how does fertilizer work? does 1 stack last 1 day till the 6AM tick? is that useless? do i need to place it the day before they grow?

[dusty kayak]

use it for ever growth tick, can stack up to 99 and absorbs every 6 am

[thorny cradle]

but plants need a minimum of 3 days to grow before you collect, do i need to have fertilizer on them all 3 days for it to work? or just 1 day before i harvest

[dusty kayak]

every growth tick or you'll have none to very minimal effect

just stack em

[thorny cradle]

i didnt realize this is how it works feelsbadman

dont have enough production to do that

[dusty kayak]

i stopped using fert personally pretty quickly but that's me

just did water retention crops and picked weeds myself

[thorny cradle]

should i just sell the fertilizer instead? feels a bit annoying to manage

[slow flame]

what's bothering me with fert is the way it is managed with plants that take up several slots

it even gives you some back when the plant disappears, and some is left but only on one slot

[alpine patrol]

I just got apples and blueberries recently, is the consensus for making money off of them to turn them into seeds and sell, or make them into preserves? I heard something about worm farms but unsure if I should put the fruit in there or the preserves??

[dusty kayak]

there's gold and there's gold per hour so depends on that

[thorny cradle]

i think what u need to do for those is put the same amount of fertilizer as the crop needs to grow...

[dusty kayak]

when i did fert i just chucked a bunch down randomly and walked off lol

[alpine patrol]

Oh thank you, I'll save that

[thorny cradle]

is this list based on gold per hour they make?

[dusty kayak]

no im not good enough at math for per hour

this is just the gold outcome

[thorny cradle]

ah i see thanks was wondering about per hour xD

[dusty kayak]

im a worm and fert farmer though

i don't think about per hour i think about how much money i can make while offline

[thorny cradle]

nice but why do u have normal worms and not bright ones?

also are glow worm farms or preservers more efficient for offline money?

[dusty kayak]

worm doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

i put a handful into glow worm to fish with but not more then i believe i have time to fish, otherwise offline/passive income is regular worm farm

[thorny cradle]

wait why regular? i didnt check that one at all i thaught glow was an upgrade so i skiped it

[clear kindle]

you get more in the worm farm per jam than you do for the glow. 16/16 worm/fert vs 3/17 worm/fert for glow per hour

[thorny cradle]

oh so how does it work, what kind of jam do you use? i am still new xD

just started pickling today only got 3 so far

[dusty kayak]

apple jam is what im doing which your fastest way to get without RNG with zeki machine is level 3 friendship with ||naio or zeki|| which can be done in less then a week, like 3 to 4 days if you try hard

[thorny cradle]

apples maybe tomorow after i get lvl 3 with 2 of the characters that give apples

[dusty kayak]

ayy yeah lol

[thorny cradle]

yeah i am allmost done i am hopeing tomorow i hit 3 with bouth

[dusty kayak]

yeah keep talking to them every irl hour it goes by fast

[clear kindle]

yeah, apple jam is the way to go

[thorny cradle]

noice

ok so after i get 8-10 glow worm farm so i can fish

apples into jam, and then the jam into normal worm farms correct?

[dusty kayak]

yeah and it runs off line so load em up before quitting, rake in gold next time you log in

[thorny cradle]

yep i am doing that rn as well loading everything up whenever i go in my house

ty didnt know this

[dusty kayak]

[thorny cradle]

what do u guys use for glow worm farm btw?

[dusty kayak]

nonstarred junk like meat and sometimes a handful of the jam just to get some in inventory

[thorny cradle]

also do u have a layout for the apple farm?

is the morels from zekis store fine as an alternative?

[dusty kayak]

your first tree just make sure it's harvest boosted and turn some to seeds so you can make more

here's a before level 25 layout for apples i like

[thorny cradle]

yeah same for blueberrys i have them all harvest boosted hard

nice ty

[dusty kayak]

these are for after level 25

my doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[thorny cradle]

nice ty

nice love the layouts also look cool

last one looks the best boost and water retention on top of decent growth tickles my brain

forgot to ask how many seed collectors do u guys use?

[clear kindle]

i'm currently running 4 but i've ran more depending on what crops i was growing at the time

[thorny cradle]

thanks i am running 3 right now seems like barely enough :}

[wise ruin]

looks like a good start, but I personally like this layout. this layout is focused on obtaining as many star quality apples as possible (so that you can convert them into Apple Jam and sell it).

This build focuses solely around providing the 6 Apple Trees with Growth Boost, Harvest Boost, and Water Retain.

Then to ensure the trees don't get any weeds, just sacrifice 9 crops (that will always have a weed on them). This way, no more weeds spawn, nor will they spawn on the Apple Trees.

[left portal]

Can weeds grow on unwatered seeds?

[left portal]

Wheat and Corn are my 'weed sacrifices' in this layout. Can I leave them unwatered or will weeds never grow on them, please?

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrA.SA.SWA.SA.SRA.SA.S-A.ST.HA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.S-A.SA.SCrA.SA.SWA.SA.SR-TA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.SA.S-A.SRA.SA.SCrA.SA.SRA.S-A.SA.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST-RA.SA.SWA.SA.SCrA.SA.S-A.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST.HA.S-A.SA.SRA.SA.SWA.SA.SCr

[wise ruin]

From what I seen, weeds grow on any crop at random. It doesn’t seem as though being watered affects whether or not it will spawn on the crop.

[wary finch]

yeah, water retain does not prevent weeds, I made the same observation.

[novel wave]

I'll just leave this here. Best gold value for every crop list from most to least gold (got the info from the wiki).

[wise ruin]

Yup, from what I seen, weeds spawn on watered and unwatered crops.

[astral cloak]

Quick question is there any way to transfer plots from one lot to another?

[clear kindle]

like the farm plots? you can pick them up (can't have crops on them) and move them from inventory to the other lot

[digital geyser]

They also have to be untilled. Found that out the hard way. 😂

[rugged junco]

Is it possible to create a Layout wit out watering?

[timber swift]

aren't potatoes better as a preserve jar?

Can someone please in the Europe servers send me some apples please? Trying to turn them into seeds for the 1st time. Thanks 🥹🥹🥹🥹

[novel wave]

Not according to the wiki where i got that info from.

[timber swift]

Hum ok

[thorny cradle]

wait does harvest boost fertilizer stack with harvest boost from crops like rice?

[prime mirage]

I would like to know the mechanism of planting. Will it stop growing after it is offline?

[slow flame]

it will stop growing after one palian day (from 6am to 6am)

[forest estuary]

Did we all see that in the trailer there seemed to be new plants??

To me it looks like bok choy or something 🤔

[slow flame]

and cabbage but those could be the exact same bok choys at different stages after another look

[wraith citrus]

I saw as well.

Best not be a tease from the devs!

Maybe we can finally make rath's lettuce soup as well!

[forest estuary]

I hope so! I hope we get a couple of things. Boy choy and lettuce would both make sense with like hotpot minigame

Or cabbage fits it too

[dusty kayak]

Sadly this isn't accounting for gold per hour
If someone has more preserve jars then seed makers then pickled potato is faster gold meaning more gold

For example

But dont ask me for math i just note what im told

[dusty kayak]

Gold per hour supposedly pickled potato is better then seeds according to folks

That being said people don't have to minmax or be as optimal as possible and they can stil make a good gold output

[timber swift]

I'm making them as a preserve jars. Even if it takes some time to make them, for me it's ok, cuz I don't play like all day. So it's fine

[dusty kayak]

Preserve jars is fine
If you get some more and split up across them its just faster gold

But thats not a priority yknow

Tons of ways to play the game and still make good gold

[dire tapir]

Quickest way to reach level 5 gardening? I just got the Your Order is Served quest and I don't have access to any fruit or spicy peppers yet and I need them before I even attempt to figure out how to cook the meals lol I think I'm at gardening level 4

[dusty kayak]

Id say ask to make the food with someone else

I could probably help in an hour or so i just want to shower first xD

But if you wanted to level gardening you can do tomatoes with harvest boost and keep your focus bar up

Increase your focus boost at phoenix shrine if possible

[dire tapir]

I don't really have friends to play with so I'd appreciate the help!

[dusty kayak]

This server is pretty easy to get help from others if you periodically ask in channels related to it
Not everyone is like available so you might have to ask a few seperate times
But its the nice part of this server

You can also join a community (advertised in #1135682474324807681 )
And then you'd have active players to ask there which also helps

But yep ill be around in an hour or so
You can add me it's the same as my server name Sen Aka

[dire tapir]

I'll add you now 🙂 thank you again! I'll definitely look into farming those tomatoes too 😅

[wary finch]

as far as I have experienced boosts are binary, meaning it is either there or not, but has no specific value/factor other than that.

[thorny cradle]

yeah had a feeling about this, thanks it only shows on or off and didnt find anything else about it

it should honestly stack but i get why they dont

[sonic warren]

i’m really having trouble maximizing my 9 plots 😭 can you guys help me? i’m level 11 with 3 seeders, 2 preserves, and 1 glow worm and 1 regular. should i buy some new crafters? i’ve tried some layouts that worked out okay but im on pretty often and would like to get more serious

it’s a little overwhelming lol

[uneven plume]

Hi guys! Quick question... I just got lvl 8 in gardening and i got the presentation jar, is it worth using quality vegetables? Can you get quality pickled vegetables?

And is it guaranteed?

[clear kindle]

yes

[uneven plume]

I see

Thanks

[clear kindle]

star crops give star preserve jars, in my experience just not always for seeds

i've still gotten 1 or 2 normal seeds even though all of my crops are starred and i'm level 32 garden

[uneven plume]

Same

But like 95% of the time i get quality seeds

[jagged shuttle]

Put apples in preserves

[median patrol]

I think we can be pretty sure new plats are coming at some point, hopefully soon, and recipes aswell.
A while ago there was a bug in the prep station showing preparations of some ''new'' veggies.

[forest estuary]

I hope we get them all this time!

[median patrol]

Same here. I want more garden plots to be able to grow them aswell xD

[forest estuary]

Gosh I hope they add at least one more!

[median patrol]

But from the video it at least looks like we will have cabbage and bok choy ^^

[forest estuary]

Super stoked!

[sonic warren]

does anyone have resources that they’d be open to sharing that could help me figure this out at least please?

[tacit stratus]

all I have for gardening is this: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz sen aka posted this a few days ago, credit to them. but if you need any other help let us know, can try to help further

[sonic warren]

thank you guys so much! i’m just a bit overwhelmed by it, those both help so much💕💕 @tacit stratus @clear kindle

i was just doing tomato seeds and potato preserves forever and i feel like that could be better

[clear kindle]

starting off, tomatoes and potatoes are the way to go, at least for me it was. once i got blueberries and apples i've moved up to different layouts.

[novel wave]

Oh yea of course that comes into play, this was purely just a list of each crops highest value without all other factors taken into account. Also technically apple seeds sell for a higher price but at 10:1 is actually less good than jam. I guess though if you don't even have atleast the seeder than none of it matters.

[winged siren]

Hi I'm wondering somethings about gardening. I'm currently doing a 6x6 setup and was wondering if I should sell all the plants, make seeds out of them and sell or sell them and make seeds to use. Or just buy the needed seeds. Or maybe cook it Into food. Would love to hear what to do. I'm a new player. Farm level 3.

[clear kindle]

i would put everything to seeds. seeds make more money. replant any star seeds back to the plot, keep some for replant if necessary and then sell the rest. once you have access to the preserve jars at level 8, star crops to seed and replacements and normal to preserve jars. eventually, as your level goes up, you'll get more star crops and less normal crops then seeds as needed and preserve jars combined

except for cotton - sell cotton straight from plot to bin unless you want to make your own fabric with a loom instead of buying it from tish's store

[maiden python]

Hi, Mindy! I hope you're enjoying the game so far. I was going to add my two cents, but @clear kindle laid it all out as I was going to lol

Good info. ☝️

[winged siren]

Awesome thank you so much.

[halcyon current]

Is there a way to remove a crop before it's natural life cycle is up?

[clear kindle]

not sure about pc, but on switch it's suppose to be with the hoe and press x, but i've never gotten it to work for me

[halcyon current]

Hmm I've tried my mining pick and the hoe, and nothing happened

[maiden python]

You use the hoe and hold X or the right mouse button.

[halcyon current]

Oooh will try that, thank you

[maiden python]

np!

[halcyon current]

OOooo it works!

[upper bone]

@coral remnant this one

Except all my crops are ⭐ quality seeded

[lofty sandal]

This is a good chart to look at. Bottom left will probably answer your questions

[coral remnant]

tysm! i will start doing this today

[upper bone]

Good luck friend!

[thorny cradle]

question what does speedygrow actualy do? i thaught it speeds up the growth by some amount

the palia garden planner doesnt change anything when you add speed growth witch confuses me

[random nymph]

hey, i just got my first bloobs! i'm currently doing a potato-tomato-rice-wheat combo and i was wondering how i would add in my bloobs?

[maiden python]

This could work for you.

[wary finch]

two of those could be seen in the trailer, bok choy and cabbage.

[wary finch]

use the hoe with right mouse button instead of left to remove something from the grid.

[wary finch]

you have to activate this calculation in the planner's settings panel, because this is an experimental thing yet and not guaranteed to deliver proper results - I use it nevertheless and it seems to work.

[deft gale]

hi , I have a question. When my crops boost each others then I don't have to use fertilizer? or do boosts stack?
Like for example one of my crops is next to corn so it has the harvest boost, if i add harvest fertilizer then it means I will get even more quantity? or is it useless and I would be wasting the fertilizer?

[midnight swan]

Do crops grow at the same rate when you are offline?

[clear kindle]

they grow one tick (one more growth day) then stop

[acoustic laurel]

!crops (I just like using the bots )

[compact coral]

Badruu

Why aren't my crops growing?

Crops can only grow up to 1 stage per Palian Day as long as your online. Keep that in mind!

[trim axle]

Which crop is better to pickle for profit?

[acoustic laurel]

Apples

[clear kindle]

apples are the best crop in general, imho

[trim axle]

What do you do with pickled stuff? Is it used in some recipes or do you just eat it? (this is besides selling ofc or using it for worm farms)

[acoustic laurel]

I sell it, if I'm not pressed on time I'll throw them into the worm bins and sell fert and worms. It's not used in recipes but can be gifted

[nova yoke]

Apples, potatoes surprisingly, and corn.

Also pickled potatoes are the best for worm farms.

[quartz moat]

What makes pickled potatoes great for worm farms?

[wary finch]

for normal worm farms that is, the outcome of quality upgrade fertilizer is quite high when feeding pickled potatoes.

As for the usage, I use pickled corn as staple food and sell what I can't eat.

Apple jam is for glow worm farms, it generates the highest amount of glow worms,

50% more than blueberry jam.

[left portal]

what's the best way to make weeds grow where I want them to

Put weed blocker on the other crops until the weeds grow where I want?
Or just keep pulling weeds until they appear where I want?

[wary finch]

don't forget, that having such a weed plot, is reducing your income by about 11%, which adds up within an in-game year. It would be about 187,000 less income with my garden for example.

[winged siren]

Does the farm continue offline

[left portal]

!crops

[compact coral]

Badruu

Why aren't my crops growing?

Crops can only grow up to 1 stage per Palian Day as long as your online. Keep that in mind!

[left portal]

''As long as you're online''

[winged siren]

Ah. That explains a lot thank you

[left portal]

Also something through my personal experience, if you are in your plot and your crops become ready to harvest, they will become dry the next 'tic' (at 6am the next ingame day). Even if they're water retained. So if you have crops that can be harvested multiple times, it is best to harvest it when it becomes ready to avoid having it stop growing and to rewater it.

[winged siren]

Good tip thank you

[keen lagoon]

Hello dear Palianers, i´ve need some help.

Is there a Cooking Beginner Helpfull Sheet for Plants with good outcomming that u could show me ? I dont play so long and have no real plan so i think its a good Thing to ask you all 🙂

I wish a super Day

Traumtänzerin

[thorny cradle]

are peppers really not buyable from anywhere? :/

[slow flame]

you can buy seeds from Zeki's store, or request them

[thorny cradle]

sigh was supposed to finaly get my apple build started today, but instead im am making peppers xD i want a big stack in case i need it, got a quest that needs cooking with them

[gray harbor]

does a farming plot count as a crafting spot and I need a crafting permit for an aditional one?

[dusty kayak]

That's what i did lol

[dusty kayak]

Does not count towards crafter limit no that would be insane considering we only have 30 max crafter limit xD

[gray harbor]

Thats great, thanks! 💐

[wary finch]

I found this list, which might be, what you are looking for https://gamingwithdaopa.ellatha.com/palia/cooking-recipes-list/

at start pretty much any vegetable is good (suggestion: carrots & onions) and some grain (suggestion: wheat & corn)

[wispy plaza]

is there any way to choose how big trees grow from seeds? is it a time thing or an rng thing?

[robust thistle]

if i have a garden on a second plot, does it grow while im on the first plot?

[wispy plaza]

tyyyyyyy

[pliant totem]

From seeds are instant and are identical for that seed type.

You can rotate them differently but a pine will always be the same size as another pine, etc.

[robust thistle]

100% water and weed prevention for 32 1x1 crops, or 4 2x2 crops and 16 1x1 crops

can exchange water retention or weed prevention for harvest boost just exchanging the pairings accordingly

[nova yoke]

I find water retain > weed prevention

[nova yoke]

I'm not sure, but it apparently gives a bit more than the others.
Also you're probably using apples for something else. (Though corn is a good substitute also according to the list)

It's only a smidgen better than corn, but I don't find myself making a lot of corn in my farms.

[clear kindle]

apple jam is great for both worm farms

[nova yoke]

I usually just sell the apple jams directly.

The profits don't seem worth the extra 10 worm farms since that'll be super late game if I do decide I want to do that, with how expensive it is to get more of them out.

[rough arrow]

Just wanted to share how I keep track of what goes where - customized homestead lamps! On lamp means star quality. Left to right it’s Apples, Tomatoes, Blueberries, and Potatoes (in the seeders) ☺️

[left portal]

Arent there 33 1x1 or 4 2x2 and 17 1x1?

[nova yoke]

What?

[teal trench]

are limited on soil plots I can't seem to get more that 5

[clear kindle]

you can have 9 soil plots, bought from badruu each one goes up in price

[keen lagoon]

naaaaw that not really what i mean. but very thank u 🙂

[hybrid pivot]

BTW for a system of harvest -> pickle -> glow worm it seems like corn is a really good crop. What do you prefer?

[thorny cradle]

any site or place where i can see alot of diffrent paliaplanner layouts?

[dusty kayak]

this tool on paliapedia can generate based on your input
https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden

[thorny cradle]

i am useing it yeah :}

[dusty kayak]

[thorny cradle]

wanted to see how others do it as well tho was hopeing we have a saved database xD

[dusty kayak]

i have a bit of a doc of just a few of ones i think are pretty good

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[thorny cradle]

yeah 1 of these the Credit: Paganochka, is probably the one i will use, high gold yeld + 5 apples

the 4 apples and 4 blueberry one looks good as well a bit less gold

[dusty kayak]

[thorny cradle]

there is another build with 6 apples but sacrficices a bit of water retain/harvest boost and gold for it

i am not sure if that would be better if i make jam and worms out of it

or is it an excess of apples

[dusty kayak]

im doing this at the moment, out of lazyness, it just has potential to bug out

i just water and harvest and replant only apples and dont even touch the harvest boost crops XD

im a retired old worm farmer

but yeah multiple weeds on one plot has potential for crops growing backwards, so if that happens one would have to let a weed grow on harvest boost crops (which keep the harvest boost buff)

[thorny cradle]

this is the other one i am looking at

[dusty kayak]

something isnt getting watered here

where's waldo puzzle

[thorny cradle]

yeah you kinda have to sacrifice something for 6 apple trees

[dusty kayak]

yeah i water 6 apple trees and that's it

pops my back wee old worm farmer

[clear kindle]

my style of playing needs more crafting writs. i'm maxed out and i need more preserve jars, but i don't want to pick up any of the other machines because they are all in use

[rain storm]

Does anyone know / have a layout so i can harvest all crops? (but doesnt NEED fertiliser?)

[dusty kayak]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[rain storm]

in that guide - why does it have 'before/after level 25' does something happen at 25?

[dusty kayak]

yeah starred seeds will most likely be starred crops, the chances for it max out at that level

so you dont need fert or cotton much for quality boosting

[rain storm]

oh okay i get ya! thanks 🙂

[rain storm]

is buying the seeds for 260? - the only way to get apple trees?

[clear kindle]

level 3 friendship with nai'o or zeki nets you some as well. you can also try your luck with zeki's machine

some have also said that if you have access to the apple pie recipe, you can request apples from trying to make it there, and once you have 10 you can place them in the seeder to get a seed. but i never tried it

[rain storm]

oh thats a goo idea.

i have requested apples, but lets see if anyone can fill it!

[dusty kayak]

i wish i could send apples but it wont let me send starred items

i have plenty to give but i cant XD

by the way folks, something I learned from my time playing mystic messenger
if you log in at the 10th minute of the hour or so (as every palia day is on the 15th minute of the hour)
water your crops then, then at the new palia day water your crops again
you'll be good for 2 growth ticks

just less logging in if that makes sense

[clear kindle]

i also wish i can send apple, i have a backlog of nearly 300 apples in storage waiting to be put into preserve jars. 5 apple trees with wheat/rice, tomatoes/potatoes and weed block fert is more than enough for me

[wise ruin]

Welp, this is proof that weeds can in fact suck out the water from crops (that are still growing), even if they have Water Retain.

My potato is still growing and it has Water Retain (and was watered yesterday in-game time).

[random nymph]

is there a money making layout what doesn't use fertilizer and i don't have to water?

[left portal]

Were you inside your plot when the 6am tic rolled in?

OR were you out in Kilima/Bahari/Elsewhere?

[clear kindle]

i have been off my plot for a couple of hours, came back and found one of my crops with a weed on it with the water retention fertilizer and it needed to be watered after i plucked the weed

sometimes happens. try picking up the main house, moving it slightly to another spot and try again to place the building you want, then move it back to where you wanted it

[random nymph]

i picked it up and it wont even let me put the house down where it was

[wise ruin]

Oddly enough, I think this happened when I turned my Switch on and it loaded me into my plot.

[wise ruin]

It seems to happen no matter where I am. I tested all the places you mentioned. It keeps getting the need to be watered even with water retain.

[wise ruin]

For the reason of the weed on my potato, it’s really not a big deal because only 9 weeds spawn on the garden. I’m basically purposely having the weed on my potatoes. That way, no weeds will grow on my Apple Trees.

[clear kindle]

ah, a weed plot

i've just decided to go with water and harvest boost on my apples with weed fertilizer so i don't have to do anything with it

i have to many apples to be dealing with it

[wise ruin]

Yup haha i got kinda tired of constantly pulling weeds from my apple trees.

[wise ruin]

That works haha i use SpeedyGro Fertilizer on my Apple Trees.

[robust thistle]

Yes there is but only 32 of them are water retained and weed prevented

[random nymph]

what happens after level 25 gardening?

[clear kindle]

at level 25 i believe that all star seeds will give you nothing but star crops. at level 50, even normal seeds will give you star crops

so once you hit those levels and above, you don't have to worry about quality anymore

[hardy ocean]

Sometimes when I put fertilizers in newly planted crops the effect will disappear later when I examine. Should I perhaps fertilize them later in their growth to receive the fertilizer (especially harvest boost)

[clear kindle]

fertilizer is used every growth tic at 6am. you can stack more of the same kind of fertilizer on the tiles

[south night]

Does anyone happen to have that one layout for beginners that's just potatoes / tomatoes and I think either wheat or rice? I'm trying to help a friend but it's hard to explain it without the picture :(

[wary finch]

make sure, that there is no weed on that crop, because whilst it's boost for other crop around is still there, the weed-prone crop itself cannot get the boost from other crop anymore, afaik.

[nova yoke]

Early game, it should make much of a difference but just do like a row of tomatoes, a row of potatoes, then a row of tomatoes for pure water retain.
Or add a row of carrot, onion, carrot to make it an automatic farm.

Or if they do not care for weed protection, replace the onions with wheat and the carrots with rice.

Since in the beginning I think you only have 2 plots? Or was it three. Idk

(then just turn all the tomatoes and potatoes into seeds for better profit)

[clear kindle]

because i had such a small backpack when starting out, i was constantly back on my home plot. so i was doing nothing but tomatoes because i was able to water them and pick them relatively easily. once i had more space in my backpack, i started tomatoes and potatoes to keep everything watered and allowed the weeds to spawn for the money and the achievement for picking weeds to get that renown. as you go up and get better crops that's really when you want to play with things

[dusty kayak]

if anyones interested i have some layouts newbie to more leveled and some extras
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[formal blade]

Is there any way to get an apple without buying seeds?

[tacit stratus]

I believe you do get at least one apple seed as a quest reward. I don't know which quest, I haven't done it yet.

[vernal bluff]

||Zeki or Naoi level 3 friendship ||

[formal blade]

Thx

[thorny cradle]

is the crafting licence limit only 30? T.T

how many preservation jars would i need for this, do i need even more if i use SpeedyGro fertilizer?

[vernal bluff]

Depends on what you plan to preserve

[thorny cradle]

The entire world =))

[vernal bluff]

I would say one for each and mb 3 for apples, 2 for berries

[vernal bluff]

Nice

[slow flame]

2 for corn too and I'd think more than 3 for apples

[rose vigil]

What’s the most soil plots I can buy to plant crops ?

[clear kindle]

depends on what the end game garden is going to look like. if you decide apples will be the go to crop, and you harvest boost them with wheat/rice, you're going to be getting 120 starred apples for 5 trees

and 9 plots total as of now

[rigid sapphire]

Feeling pretty proud managed this without using the planner, its 100% water retain, i have to do ALOT of weeding though

never mind im in shambles missed one lol

[wary finch]

the planner is no cheat though, it is just more convenient to work with, but you are doing pretty much the same as if you would actually do it on your soil plots. The other one, which auto-generates layouts though, could be seen as a cheat.

[fluid arch]

howre yall getting your seeds
do you buy them or rely on the seed collector? idk if i wanna buy another crafting license

[rigid sapphire]

@wary finch Oh yeah no worries with using the planner, I just wanted to try it my self since I hav ebeen using th planner since i got all 9 plots.

@fluid arch I have 3 seed collectors rotating, I kinda set one or 2 from each harvest through it

[wary finch]

I use seed collectors to enhance starred crops, which cannot be preserved, and sell the starred seeds. For planting purposes just spicy peppers, blueberries and apple trees are starred, because I get no other qualities using quality upgrade fertilizer. In the beginning I made most of my seeds myself, but later on I just buy from Zeki (and get coins from him on a regular basis).

[fluid arch]

thanks!

[wary finch]

In the beginning is relative though, because it takes a while before you get access to diy fertilizers.

This said, I have 3 characters running now, and the best start turned out to use quickly growing crops and use rice for quantity. This grants speedy returns on investment and quick level gain. But as soon as you can use peppers, blueberries and apple trees.

And keep a few weeds, 2 villagers want them on a regular basis.

Get your first main income from mining though, the chance of getting valuable gems outweighs the farming yield at start.

That is one or 2 more soil plots every ingame day, so yeah, mining is key at start.

[lofty sandal]

Is this any good profit wise? I don't use fertilizer. All my harvest crops are star. I seed wheat, rice, and potatoes. Jar the rest (blueberries, carrots, onions, apples, tomatoes).

[nova yoke]

Fix the bottom center one so it's tomato - potato - tomato
And it doesn't look terrible.
You got the majority of the crops so that's impressive

[valid dagger]

Where do you find the planner?

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

there you go

[wary finch]

hm, there is downtime today coming in, how long does it normally take until they are back up again? And will the time counter for buildings progress meanwhile?

I mean, this isn't EVE, where they say, we have an extended downtime and then it lasts 20 minutes instead of 8.

[acoustic laurel]

Crafters/buildings/anything that goes by IRL time should still progress while you're logged out.

[wary finch]

the planner is especially useful, because you can play around with other layouts than 3x3, mine is 2 rows with 4 each and the 9th plot is shifted by 1 tile upwards from the bottom row. I use that layout, because I always buy 5 writs and extend the plot to the right 4 high and plant that garden within the forest there, looks very nice.

quite convenient with the water pond right near to it.

Does anyone have a clue, why the windmill has attachment points, can we mill flour eventually in future?

[alpine patrol]

Do we still need to have 3 of a crop for it to take effect on apple trees? (Such as 3 wheat or rice for harvest boost)

[wary finch]

just 3 effective ones, like when you put 1 blueberry bush adjacent to it, it counts as 2, if both touch the apple tree.

[alpine patrol]

so I could do two potatoes and 1 tomato for water retention

[wary finch]

yes

[alpine patrol]

Awesome, thank you, trying to figure out a good layout for 6 apple trees

[clear kindle]

yeah, tomato potato tomato to give those three water retention as well

[wary finch]

or 1 spicy pepper and 1 cotton for quality.

[alpine patrol]

might be able to do 5, just want something that can kind of take care of itself

[wary finch]

there are plenty of examples in this thread, just scroll back.

[alpine patrol]

Yeah I'm going to look

[clear kindle]

i did five apples, with weed prevention fertilizer tomatoes/potatoes/wheat/rice. i'm getting 120 apples per harvest... it's actually to much

[alpine patrol]

fertilizer only works for 1 tick, right? So, if I wanted to stack it for what, the 12 days it takes to grow an apple tree, I'd need enough fertilizer for 12 days, plus the additional time it would take to harvest the tree 4 times?

[clear kindle]

yeah, but the weed fertilizer is 40 gold for 20, so about 8,000 gold to get started

[wary finch]

put blueberries adjacent to it, for speed boost.

then it grows in 8 days instead of 12.

[alpine patrol]

what about speedygro fertilizier?

[clear kindle]

and with my layout, i only pick the apple trees. so the other plants never use the fertilizer

[wary finch]

speedygro has the same effect, the boost is binary, it is either there or absent, it doesn't stack.

[alpine patrol]

damn, good to know

thank you

[sour wave]

Ok so stupid question I'm sure but how the heck do you use a preserves jar?

[dusty kayak]

Crop go in
Jar of pickles or jam come out

[clear kindle]

and each crop has a different time to make

[sour wave]

Nevermind I am stupid I didn't realize it was a crafting station like the Wurm farms...lol

[wary finch]

you are welcome cat, there are no stupid questions, we all were new.

in my case it is more like "have been" 🙂

[lofty sandal]

Which row in the bottom center plot?

[nova yoke]

The center, the one going ↕️

[clear kindle]

middle bottom you have potato, tomato, tomato. switch the potato with the tomato to get the bottom tomato water retention

[lofty sandal]

Awesome! Thanks @nova yoke and @clear kindle . Much appreciate the help.

[grave tree]

Will there ever be a time where we have more than 9 plots or is that set in earth?

[frail escarp]

No definite word of there being more or exactly 9 plots

[wary finch]

I guess it is a matter of balancing the game, more plots means more income and prices for other stuff would have to be adjusted in order to keep a balance between the professions.

but S6 can certainly do it, much like all the crop is pretty much balanced and higher value crop is adjusted in the time required to grow and post-process it.

[heady roost]

Tilling the soil was the hardest thing I had to do on day 1 😭😭😭

[lilac wind]

I'm actually only using 7 at the moment and netting about 10k a day which suits my speed

I'm using the other two decoratively lol

[keen lagoon]

Heya ive got an question. How usefull is it to take starred seeds on the gardenplott ... Would it give more or les starred Stuff ? Or is it better to use unstarred seeds ... What is ur Opinion

[acoustic laurel]

Chance of starred crops = level x 2 (+ 50% for starred seeds)

[keen lagoon]

so i gues its a good chanec to get starred seeds back 🙂 Thanks

[rare marten]

Is it better to sell the fruit and vegetables as seeds or just as they are?

[clear kindle]

everything is better processed. so seeds and preserve jars. except for cotton. cotton sell as is

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

you can see which crops do better as what

[rare marten]

Thank you! ♥

[wary finch]

so we are getting those 2 new crops to plant, wonder what the boost of those will be

but the only outdoor decor changes seem to be roof textures, that's disappointing.

[clear kindle]

we're getting the new crops, but what about more plots to plant them? i'm actually enjoying not having to water or weed my crops and i get more apples from my harvest that i have no idea what to do with them

[wary finch]

one of the reasons I made 2 additional characters, who slow things down and avoid getting into the over-abundance phase of produce. There is nothing to buy with too much money in the game, so slowing things down is for now a good option.

It's more of my personal problem though, I'm loosing interest in a game, when it gets too easy to accomplish wealth.

well, and I'm not a gambler, so zeki's coins are of no interest to me.

I'm against any form of loot boxes, even if they are free.

The game has a few of those, I'm not using their contents.

[frail escarp]

Heya folks! This message will serve as a status message of the Palia Garden Planner in supporting the new crops. Implementation of new crops will aim to be completed within 24 hours of the new patch dropping.

[ Status ] ☑️ Planner updated to match new version, errors may be present and will be checked when I wake up

[clear kindle]

do we know what the new crops buffs are?

[uncut gull]

I felt so overwhelmed with farming and found a plot guide for a 4x4 which didn't include corn, Pepper, or the fruits. Now there's new items 😅 I wonder if there will be a suggested buff placement in tine

[keen willow]

probably water retain and weed prevention

[subtle ocean]

MORE CROPS?

[hardy quail]

2 new crops

[subtle ocean]

as a gardener I'm excited but as someone who finally has 100% weed prevention 100% water retain and growth boost on my apple tree and blueberry bushes I'm devastated

[weak flower]

I hope they give us more plots to farm eventually

[subtle ocean]

oh also every crop

I stole the base layout from a guy in here named wolf but this is my plot how am I gonna fit any god damn more crops in here (I hope for more plots too) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PCOTOCrOCP-TPTRORTCT-OCPCrOTPCO-CBBTBBPSpSp-AAAAAAAAA-BBCBBTSpSpP-OSpSpCTWCoPC-OTOCPCOTO-SpSpOWTCCPCo

[weak flower]

Nice layout. I'm worked out one that is not perfect, but everything is watered and I have 2 apple trees, 4 blueberry bushes and 2 pepper bushes. The rest are tomato, potato, corn and onion.

[acoustic laurel]

You could probably just replace one of the old crops with a new crop that has the same buff

[weak flower]

I change out corn for other crops when I need them.

[subtle ocean]

I need every crop in the game Idk why maybe some sorta ocd

it took forever to get to this now theres more

[weak flower]

I hope one of the new crops increases quantity grown. That'd be really nice.

[subtle ocean]

hopefully one plot instead of 4

[wary finch]

awesome news, thank you

[subtle ocean]

is harvest boost different than that, I am bad at remembering what every buff does

[wary finch]

harvest boost increases the amount of crop you can harvest

[weak flower]

I think one speeds up time, one increases how much you get from each harvest. I also don't remember the names very well

[acoustic laurel]

Same lol, but you can replace like potatoes with another water retention crop or something, that'll keep your mirrored pattern and you'll still have potatoes since you have 10

[subtle ocean]

ooo good advice, thankyou!!

[wary finch]

harvest boost is what you get from rice, wheat and corn, speed growth is from apple trees and blueberries.

[subtle ocean]

but what does harvest boost do exactly? cause I thought you get more quantity from it

[wary finch]

it increases the amount you get

like 24 apples instead of 12

[subtle ocean]

AHHH okay ty, so it is what I thought

I read so slow

it's been answered already

jleanfjkefa

[subtle ocean]

ty for your patience it's like my mind blocked out the first msg u sent

[wary finch]

no worries

[dire tapir]

Ok so I have a question I can ask here away from the chaos. 🤣

My question is. How do ya'll tend to your gardens? Do you plant everything on day 1 and wait until all crops are harvestable? Or do you pick and replant as you go because gardening seems to be the one thing I really struggle with

[wary finch]

I have my garden plan - done with the garden planner - and update my garden when I change that, otherwise I replant as soon as crops expire.

[weak flower]

I pick and replant as things pop up. It seems like effects don't work if the plant isn't growing. Like I've seen things unwatered because the nearby plants are ready to harvest.

[acoustic laurel]

Replant as you go

[wary finch]

it is easiest if you do one crop first then the next one, like all rice then the the next group of crops.

[subtle ocean]

so what I do is, I will wait till something is done, then I will go through my garden picking it up and re-hoeing if it needs it, then I'll pick up the seed and go through the garden replanting and watering (I always harvest one crop at a time ex: all the carrots before I pick up anything else so I always know what goes where)

watering is always last* also

[clear kindle]

i have a layout of 5 apples that i only pick the apples and leave everything else, i only have to water and replant the apple trees

[frail escarp]

Yeah, this reduces the chances of you accidentally replanting in the wrong tile

[wary finch]

and after watering, check for weeds, it can be that there are new weeds added quite a while after 6am, so check for weeds after watering.

[dire tapir]

Thank you all 😅 some good suggestions I may have to test out. It's hard finding the groove for it and takes so long for me to level and get enough crops for food lol

[wary finch]

you could fish and grill those at the campfire.

just right at your plot, you have a pond there for fishing.

and if you cannot grill fish yet, then grill mushrooms.

[wary finch]

so who is selling those new seeds?

[frail escarp]

Apparently you can buy it at Zeki's or in Delaila's event store

[wary finch]

do we know what boost it grants yet?

[frail escarp]

Nothing official, Paliapedia notes it down though as ||Nappa Cabbage: Water Retain and Bok Choy: Weed Prevention||

[slow flame]

We will see in 6min bro

[wary finch]

cool, thank you

[clear kindle]

if water retain that's fine, but dang, weed prevention.... ehh

[wary finch]

just lucky that my garden layout has neither of those,lol

it's all just about quality, harvest boost and speedy growth

[slow flame]

Y’all are in already ?

Am I supposed to get a updated version or sum btw

quality boost becomes useless after a while though

[wary finch]

yeah but I have 3 characters and the latest one still requires that

[slow flame]

don't know how you can manage 3 chars 🙂

[wary finch]

one at a time , not playing everyone every day

[slow flame]

updating right now

10%

[wary finch]

whilst the others have time to empty their jars and seeders, it is not too bad to have several

it is actually stress free, I select one to play with on a certain day and the others are resting.

[slow flame]

2 more min I can’t wait

I want them damn rooftiles

[wary finch]

all are independent though, no cheating here.

[slow flame]

Y’all prepared yourself money wise (?

299,9xx

Money is spend that was never seen

I got 7 million lmao

My life savings are going in

[wary finch]

no, I'll download it in 5 hours and play when it's safe.

[slow flame]

One minute

90%

Not the 10000000 Palians that are before me

[frail escarp]

I seem to be unable to locate the new seeds at Zeki's

[lilac wind]

I read they were in the market

[wary finch]

I really wonder how popular palia will be, it's kind of a new genre.

[slow flame]

Both

Im thinking they add them at Zekis after

Cause it wouldn’t make sense otherwise

[slow flame]

after a quest maybe?

Nah you can just buy them in the maji market

ah ok

But il thinking after the maji market they stay

In Zekis then

[wary finch]

the boost is very basic, no need to hide it behind a quest.

[slow flame]

Or they forgot who knows

Roooof tiles

Finally I can spend my renown

Im in yay

[wary finch]

I just which we could scale wall textures some are so bold.

[slow flame]

Lobby is looking

Sooo good

Now the spending part..

[wary finch]

ok, guys have fun exploring the market, enjoy, I'm off for now.

[slow flame]

32

32 before me lmao

[keen willow]

no seeds at zeki, and no crops at badruu's stall. Anyone had a chance to check maji market stall?

[slow flame]

Omw

Wild green onion is in

[slow flame]

Loading in maji just now

[keen willow]

if it's same as before, stalls are only open during night

[slow flame]

Indeed

I forgot that

There are 6 game tables

[slow flame]

do we know where the 2 new forageables spawn?

Treasure at Reths stable

His oven

Another

At port

That’s the price sorry for that quality btw

[frail escarp]

Can't open the Maji Market stalls yet to confirm the new crops

[slow flame]

4 chests found as of rn

[slow flame]

Only midnight

New wardrobe piece

[keen willow]

i found ginger in whispering banks

[slow flame]

nice thx

[keen willow]

and green onion too

[minor thunder]

Does anyone know if there's a chart online for the Perserves Jars?
I cant seem to find just a basic graph that shows the sell value of what comes out of the jar.
Thanks in advance

[clear kindle]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

you can use that link to see the different items and if seeds or preserve jars are good

[keen willow]

seeds are available at the maji market, they cost event currency (15 for cabbage, 25 for bok choy)

you get 100 tickets from kenli at start

[narrow widget]

Has anyone cooked up a new garden layout that includes all crops including the new crops?

[frail escarp]

Based off of this layout, mostly took an existing all crops layout and replaced some of the potatoes/onions
#🌱│gardening message

(Gold values aren't final, so not shown)

[rapid stump]

Are we getting more gardening plots??

[formal delta]

the patch notes didn't mention it ☹️

[heavy mist]

has anyone gotten any of the new crops yet?

[keen willow]

you can get seeds from a stall in maji market

[heavy mist]

ahhh

i see

thank you

[minor thunder]

Does anyone know if the Bok Choy and Napa Cabbage will be around forever or just for the event?

[keen willow]

should be forever, they were supposed to be available from zeki, but they are not (maybe they will be after event is over?). As long as you have some left over to make seeds you should be fine.

[formal delta]

The patch notes say that the new ingredients, foragables, and crops are permanent. The crops can be gotten from the luna new year maji market

[formal delta]

no more plots available from barduu 😦

[narrow widget]

Y'all are the best, thank you I take it the new crops have the same benefits as potatoes/onions?

[frail escarp]

Yep!

[frail escarp]

Palia Garden Planner now supports the new crops!
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app
Do check in case I made any errors, lmk if anything feels off or if you're encountering bugs
Gonna collapse and will see you all my next morning

Changelogs and credits for patch here: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/changelogs

[winter herald]

That was fast!

[ionic compass]

And https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden as well

[keen willow]

there is an error in bok choy seed value, base is 15, so star should be 22. You have 30. Non-star is correct.

[ionic compass]

are you sure

I see 30 non-star

[keen willow]

where do you see 30 for non star? in game or planner?

[frail escarp]

Ah he's right, non-star value is 15 gold so star should go up to 22. Fixed now! thank you gazar >:D

[wary finch]

so you have updated your app already?

[keen willow]

if anyone is interested, i updated my crop profit spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f39XkRS-H6WaeKaCwS_iyLZVhTvmfpu14irjb8K9awU/edit#gid=992716853
value for cabbage is based on paliapedia for now (still waiting for first harvest). It looks like bok choy is the new best crop for profit (best profit on raw crop, slightly less profit when converting to seeds/preserves; overall should be similar to potato) so that's a nice option to use for ppl that want weed prevention. cabbage on the other hand looks to be the second worse crop rn, above peppers. I still need to check if any of those 2 can drop additional seeds when harvesting or crafting seeds so that might boost bok choy even more (but given that corn still can't drop extra they might not)

[robust thistle]

where to buy new plants?

[keen willow]

maji market, delila's stall

[robust thistle]

ty

[wary finch]

hm, my seeders are totally silent now, is that just me?

[echo hedge]

wait, there's a new crop?!?!?!

[wary finch]

more than one

[echo hedge]

AFTER MAKING MY SPREADSHEET ON CROP FIGURES, THEY ADD NEW CROPS!!!?!?!?!?!?

... that's kind of cool though, I'm not mad

[wary finch]

I like that they are rather basic, so everyone can use them right from the start

[distant crescent]

I pulled up the planner earlier and saw the changes were up. Thank you for getting this out so fast!!!

[haughty geyser]

I love we now Got 3 water retail crops… new plan on Way for garden

[nova yoke]

Well check the prices and they could replace the potato or tomato in the normal routine.

[haughty geyser]

Na Im not in it for Gold… i want it varirity as if irl

[keen willow]

cabbage is bad for profit so not very useful. Unless there is some new recipe that requires it, probably not worth farming after saving a couple dozen for possible future use

[nova yoke]

It seems like there are a few new recipes for cabbage.

[narrow widget]

even pickled?

[keen willow]

yes, granted that profit difference for crops in palia is rather small (like 20% worst vs best), but cabbage is only slightly better than peppers

[narrow widget]

i see, thank you for the info! (sorry hit enter early lol)

[nova yoke]

My current plot layout only leaves one open slot for other crops sadly.
I need more peppers and blue berries for food items.

I like this windmill

[royal flare]

If I plant an apple tree, will they also disappear once I harvest the fruits?

[nova yoke]

It's multiple pickings, like tomatoes.

[royal flare]

I only have one apple seed right now

Oh

Multiple picking but eventually disappears?

[nova yoke]

Give it a harvest boost and it can give you up to 24 per harvest.

Yeah like 4 or 5 I believe

[royal flare]

Okay, thank you!:)

[nova yoke]

It's the initial growth period, then every 3 days after the first picking (don't quote me on that however)

[distant crescent]

I updated my current layout to include some of the new plants. I'm in it for variety™️
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PCbPBBSpBBSp-BkCrWSpCbPSpBkO-CrWCrCbPCbBkOBk-WRWPTPCBkC-AAAAAAAAA-WRWPTPCBkC-RCoRPTPCOC-CoRCoTPTOCO-RCoRPTPCOC

[royal flare]

Wow! There are news crops? Awesomeeee

I've been looking for lettuce

[nova yoke]

Only two.
One extra water retain and an extra weed prevention.

It's cabbages and bok choy

[royal flare]

Hehe okay. Soon I'll be picking bok choy and cabbages and then make preserves (if allowed), pretending they are kimchi

[peak spear]

kimichi is one of the new recipes xD

[nova yoke]

I'm interested in the price exchange of the bok choy since I hope it's more profitable than the carrots or onions.

Also there's now Kimchi Fried Rice sold by Reth in the market-

[royal flare]

But lettuce? lettuuuuuce!

[keen willow]

it is, it's one of the best crops for profit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f39XkRS-H6WaeKaCwS_iyLZVhTvmfpu14irjb8K9awU/edit#gid=992716853

[distant crescent]

Is it possible to remove a planted crop if you put it in the wrong spot?

[alpine patrol]

Right click with your rake

Rake/hoe

Oh wait, you're on switch, uh hold on

[distant crescent]

Ope, just figured it out. It's X on switch!

[distant crescent]

Thank you!

[alpine patrol]

Oh, good!

[ionic compass]

ez

[thorn fox]

What crops give harvest boost?

[keen willow]

corn, rice and wheat

[thorn fox]

Which ones give a harvest boost? Also, is there a place that lists what boost each crop gives so I don’t have to keep asking?😅

[dusty kayak]

corn rice and wheat LOL

also the garden planner will help you

[keen willow]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Crops

[thorn fox]

Sorry, I meant quality boost lol

[keen willow]

quality is cotton and peppers

[dusty kayak]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app

[formal needle]

wow I tinkered around with the new crops. i hope im able to make that much in 30 days lol

[runic sail]

Anyone having issues with game freezing while watering crops ?

[stiff solstice]

yelling at my vegetables to go faster

btw, i think they're trying to hint at a third new fruit

[whole anchor]

New everything at max speed apples centric plan.

For those who need all the ingredients

[whole anchor]

Your out of your melon, just totally lost your gourd!!!

[stiff solstice]

tbh it's pretty fast to grow. for the most part the napa cabbage slots neatly into where you used to spam your potatoes

i have hotswappable any crop spots so i put the bok choy there

time for more card games

[slow flame]

Have layot for new crops but fully afk? No weed & water retain

[wary finch]

on pc use your hoe with the right mouse button instead of left

[wary finch]

no, doesn't happen to me

my issue is none of my machines are having sound or particle animations

strange feeling, so used to having these noisy stuff around my workplace

(it's the sound of money)

[slow flame]

Who need all crops include new crops~ 100% water & weed

[devout crow]

I’m in love with the new crops 😭🫶🏼

And recipes by extension

[wary finch]

these wild green onions and ginger aren't plantable, is that correct?

[rigid sapphire]

im not sure where ot get new seeds yet maybe next patch

[cobalt knoll]

The new seeds can be bought from Delilah’s booth at the market.

The new green onions and ginger are foragables.

[wary finch]

ok, thought so, but thank you for confirmation.

[sleek mesa]

PLEASE tell me that you can convert the new crops into seeds

[ember glade]

Im sure this has been asked plenty of times and ive tried searching for the answer myself with no concrete answer found. How does fertilizer work?

[sleek mesa]

I'm going to sacrifice my apple and blueberry harvests to maximize stocking up on the new farmables, if possible.

[ember glade]

@sleek mesa yuppers u can make them into seeds.

[narrow widget]

fertilizer is applied to your crops when they are planted, you can only place one type of fertilizer on a crop at a time but you can stack it and it will stay when you have to re-till the soil (except for plants that take multiple spots like apple, blueberries, and peppers for some reason it needs to be reapplied for those)

you can replace the fertilizer at any time by just using a different fertilizer on that plant.

you can see the different types of fertilizer here and what they provide:
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Fertilizer

[ember glade]

@narrow widget thank you very much for the time u put into replying ❤️

[narrow widget]

no problem, if you have any more questions just ask!

[narrow widget]

forgot to also mention when you replace a fertilizer or when you are replanting those big crops, it does give you back the fertilizer the plant did not use.

[scenic moss]

this one uses a little bit of everything with 100% water retain and weed prevention, i am using harvest boost fertilizer on some of the crops to get the harvest boost to 100%

[pseudo tendon]

finally done

@dusty kayak

[wary finch]

lol, this took more than 70% of your storage capacity, just for apples, what an achievement.

[pseudo tendon]

Ty lol took about a month

[wary finch]

just, don't sell it, you know, gold cap is 300k.

[pseudo tendon]

I already sold 60 of em

[haughty geyser]

We have Gold cap?

[sharp lance]

yes we do

[wary finch]

much longer than this, the seeding is about a month with 30 seeders, ok, but you need 72,000 apples for those 7200 seeds, which takes quite some time to grow.

[pseudo tendon]

Ohhhh ok I didn't calculate just speculated lol

[wary finch]

let's see, say 5 apple trees, 120 apples per harvest max, 4 harvests in about an rl day (if you rarely ever sleep) = 480 apples/day, which makes 150 days required to grow and harvest 72000 apples - or roughly 4 months.

I'd say even if you optimized growth speed, it took at least 3 months.

basically the work of a mad man, that makes it so impressive 🙂

[wary finch]

hm, I encountered kind of a strange thing - I apply fertilizer right after watering my crop in the morning, but some of those consume the fertilizer as well at 6pm, which can just be a bug, I guess. Did you make the same observation?

well, I made a ticket about that, it happens consistently.

[wary finch]

it might not happen with water retain, my garden has no water retain, so I can't tell.

[barren hamlet]

That's my 2nd planting

[robust kernel]

My game is just freezing when watering, anyone else having this problem?

I'll close it and reload

[wary finch]

yeah, sly reported the issue a while back as well.

[wary finch]

hopefully not all the same crop type, because crops don't apply their boost to the same crop type.

[verbal bridge]

So I’m pretty new and I’m only level 9 in 3 skills: Foraging, Mining and Hunting.

My Gardening is lagging behind at level 6 and I’ve only gotten a 6x6 layout. I’ve found a few guides on weed prevention and water retain and all that and it’s great and usually makes me about 4k per harvest. Love it.

But now my meaty stir fry needs Bok Choi and apparently there’s some other new food items? And I’m on a quest called “Your Order is Served” and it wants me to have spicy peppers?

Where do I weave all this stuff into my garden? I don’t have apples or blueberries or anything special yet. I’m not even sure I can get the spicy pepper seeds and I also don’t know how to level gardening quickly.

I guess I’m just lost because the guides never talk about these for profitability or for anything really. Maybe they’re too new?

[cunning mica]

anyone has an extra apple seed? i need one more for my layout. 🙏🏻

[dusty kayak]

cant send star quality, or else i would give you one lol

[wary finch]

at level 6 gardening you should be able to buy spicy pepper seed from zeki's shop. Skill goes up whenever you harvest something and skill gain is equivalent to the focus used in the process. I planted quickly growing crop at start, which can be harvested frequently.

And take your time, this is not a game where you would have to rush to end game for having fun. Invest your renown gained from interacting with villagers and quests in focus boost at the phoenix shrine (quest with jina required to have this opportunity though), that speeds up skill gain as well.

keep in mind, when you plant spicy peppers, that any pepper needs 2 boosters from each kind for the effect to take place.

For example rice and wheat for harvest boost, which increases the quantity of the harvest.

try this, an easy layout even using the new crop for 2x2 https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11_CROPS-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoW-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoC-SpSpCrSpSpCoBkOBk-SpSpOSpSpCCbTCb

@verbal bridge

[ornate vessel]

Didn't I head that tomatoes were really good for money making?

[pallid walrus]

What's the best plot set up to grow a lot of star blueberries

[wary finch]

water retain, bah, I'm all for rice and cotton in between peppers for as long as one doesn't have blueberries.

[dusty kayak]

just make sure they have harvest boost and quality boost going on

[reef orchid]

how long do trees last when planted

[keen willow]

all regrowing crops rn are 4 harvests total, for apple tree thats 30 in-game days total

[reef orchid]

great.. thanks!

[wary finch]

this was my peppers and blueberry garden with 9 blueberries and 5 peppers, it worked great https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CoBBRBBSp.QSp.QSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-NNNNNNSpCoR-Sp.QSp.QSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpBBRBBNNN

it can be used for 14 peppers as well, but then the bush to the right and in the upper right corner has to be fertilized as well.

[forest estuary]

How do we get the seeds for the bok choy and cabbage?

[keen willow]

you buy them from a stall at maji market

[forest estuary]

Got it, ty!

[wary finch]

the reason why I suggest rice and cotton in between peppers or blueberries is, rice is growing quickly and you need cotton for fabric, when you'll add a bunch of preserve jars later on, so getting some cotton low quality for the loom and star quality for sale early on is a good choice -and you have harvest and quality boost as well.

[mystic trail]

Would be nice to have a full water retained one similar like yours!

[wary finch]

convenience costs you money, being lazy is expensive.

[verbal bridge]

Wow thank you!

Yeah my problem with the guide I was following is that it didn’t contain any cotton and I ran out of fabric for bug bombs and other stuff. Bummed me out. Also didn’t know how to incorporate peppers into my build

But I’m reading this new google docs sheet about everything right now

[wary finch]

low quality cotton for the loom, star quality cotton for sale - you need fabric for the preserve jars later on, so it is good to start early with stockpiling cotton.

[verbal bridge]

After my recent set of crops sells I’ll be able to afford my 9th plot of soil

Which is great I think

I love cotton

Also sometimes the Hunter guy likes it for a gift 🤷

Hassian

I just want a little bit of everything so I can make everything - food recipes, gifts, sell for money, enough to recycle plants to get free seeds etc

[wary finch]

I do that in my garden whenever I would have to replace one of the blueberries or peppers, plant in their space those quickly growing required stuff supported by rice of course and when I have enough of those, I replant the blueberries or peppers.

like potatoes for pickled potatoes which go into a worm farm.

[verbal bridge]

Suddenly hit end game recipes and was like… I am not prepared

[wary finch]

I'm a lousy cook in game, but I have a lot of pickled corn to eat 🙂

it is somewhat expensive to do that though, replacing the rice with corn costs a lot of money in the long run.

I calculate my garden with 360 days, to see the difference it makes, when I replace a crop type with another of the same kind.

can be a difference of 500 gold/day sometimes.

[verbal bridge]

I’m just waiting on payday to get my last soil tile

Then I can join the big leagues with huge grids

[wary finch]

have you seen my weirdly shaped garden above? I really love it and it fits so well into a clearing in the forest on my plot.

[verbal bridge]

I don’t think so

[wary finch]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CoBBRBBSp.QSp.QSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-NNNNNNSpCoR-Sp.QSp.QSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpBBRBBNNN

[verbal bridge]

Aaah very long

Haha

Time to go buy my 9th plot

[wary finch]

yeah but I have it upright on the plot, fits nicely to the right side,where the water pond is

can have an apple tree as well, but I'm not that fond of an apple tree actually.

[verbal bridge]

How would I expand the 6x6 grid you posted to 9x9?

[verbal bridge]

This one

[wary finch]

let me see

@verbal bridge try this https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-SpSpRSpSpCoCbTCb-SpSpRSpSpCoBkCBk-SpSpRSpSpCoCOCr-SpSpRSpSpCoBkOBk-SpSpRSpSpCoCbTCb-SpSpRSpSpCoPTCr-SpSpRSpSpCoPTP-SpSpRSpSpCoBkCBk-SpSpRSpSpCoBkOBk

oh wait,there is a mistake in it

[verbal bridge]

What is the mistake?

[wary finch]

this one, I didn't boost the left side correctly before. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoCb-SpSpRSpSpCoBkCBk-SpSpRSpSpCoCOCr-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoBk-SpSpRSpSpCoCbTCb-SpSpRSpSpCoPTCr-SpSpRSpSpCoRCoCb-SpSpRSpSpCoBkCBk-SpSpRSpSpCoBkOBk

now it's 100% quality boost

but when you later on add blueberries, it has to be changed a lot to get the most out of it, it is just temporarily useful.

my somewhat rectangular garden is optimized for blueberries and peppers, it has just those bushes, rice and cotton, and requires just 4 fertilzer per day

[verbal bridge]

Well im gardening level 6 so blueberries won’t be for a long time

[wary finch]

you think so, but you will use nearly all of your focus bar per harvest

[verbal bridge]

All the other crops are right but there’s way more than 9 peppers there

[wary finch]

you have now 9 peppers with this layout, my weird garden has 14, if you replace all the blueberries with peppers 🙂

[verbal bridge]

I need to cook something else until I can do meaty stir fry again 😭

But that’s one gave me a full focus bar in 1 go

The layout is showing me 9 x 4 peppers

[wary finch]

yeah, that is what I meant, you will progress much faster now.

[verbal bridge]

36 peppers

Oh wow

[wary finch]

nah, 4 is one pepper bush

[verbal bridge]

That’s great

Oooooooooh

[wary finch]

you have 9 bushes but a lot of other crops, my garden has just bushes and rice and cotton, no other stuff.

but I have 14 bushes

if I need something else, I just buy it from badruu's store at the farm.

the thing with my garden layout is, the peppers in the middle make quality boost easy for the whole of the garden, which then just needs some cotton in between to achieve that. Whilst the blueberries give everything including the peppers a speed boost and harvesting very frequently is faster skill gain.

and it takes just 1 bug, 1 meat and 1 mushroom every 5 days to fertilize the garden, because just one bush needs support.

the costs of meat and mushroom (if I buy it at all) is covered by the weed I have to pull.

it's like 6 weeds to pull every day.

[nova yoke]

I've gotten close to about 140 of spicy peppers and blueberries. I sure hope this'll be enough for cooking for at least a while.

Here's a new potential layout I'll be using soon, to incorporate the new crops, which leaves 6 spots to do whatever

Also do seeded and jarred cabbage sell for the same?

[dusty kayak]

6 spots to purposfully leave weeds if you ask me

[sleek mesa]

if I switch to another house plot, do I get another 9 farming plots for each? or is just 9 total?

[keen willow]

9 total between all plots

[sleek mesa]

Booooo. 😦

a community garden would be nice. Just an idea. 🙂

[nova yoke]

You're right! It would be amazing if my plots just doubled for simply moving down the road a little bit!

No clue why I decided to make this, and then remove all the outlines with the exception of the hat.

[stiff solstice]

it might work if you turn transparency on lol

[nova yoke]

My goodness, why didn't I think of that

[stiff solstice]

close enough

[prisma ruin]

What’s the best crop combos? I currently have tomatoes and corn. I like that the tomatoes keep the corn watered and the corn sells for good amount of gold but feel like I can do better.

[molten cloud]

I have 🍅 🥔 combo. No watering needed. I get a good amount of gold.

[nova yoke]

Also potatoes are the best for worm farms.

[prisma ruin]

Do potatoes also give watering effect?

[nova yoke]

In terms of worms and fertilizer gotten per 1.

Yes
You can see what it gives by the seed description

[molten cloud]

Yes.

[nova yoke]

Put tomato and potato together, (and now cabbage)

And corn with either rice or wheat.

And to avoid weeds just do carrots or onions (and now bok choy)

It's better if they're next to each other in the farm so they give each other the bonuses.

[molten cloud]

🥔 🍅 🥔🥔🍅 🥔🥔 🍅🥔
Thats how I have the rows. They water each other.

[prisma ruin]

Thank you I’m definitely gonna do that now

[molten cloud]

I also have a 🍎 and 2 🫐 blueberrys bush. And 5 onions to keep the weeds out from tree and bush cuz I don't like weeding those.
Im gonna use bock choy or wats it called now for weeding. And some cabbage cuz I think it might gow as fast as potatoes.

I saw potatoes are still best sellers. The cabbed is a bit less in pricing.

[nova yoke]

I need to check the prices for the conversion rate of the cabbage.
Since you get 6 cabbage seeds per 1.

[molten cloud]

Oh interesting

That might be profitable

[nova yoke]

Also unless Its lying, selling the seeds, gives the same value as when the cabbage is just pickled.

Also bok choy is now the 2nd best crop, seemingly

[molten cloud]

It shoul give just a bit more because of the precess it's going through.
Maybe you look at normal seeds and had star quality cabbage?

[nova yoke]

Well I haven't tried, It just says that on the website for plotting. I wanted to stock pile at least 20 seeds so it'll be easier to mess around a bit.

[foggy canopy]

do you end up preserving most of the crops, make them into seeds, or just sell the crops outright? I'm still learning what the best route to take is when having a little bit of everything in my garden :')

[dusty kayak]

You can also preserve then worm farm but its slower so best run over night / offline

[foggy canopy]

word, I never have enough gold it seems so I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck while still growing every crop lol

[dusty kayak]

I like worm farming feels like i make a lot of money not playing the game lol

[foggy canopy]

I haven't messed around with the worm farm too much so is it the fertilizer that sells for a lot or the worms themselves ? or both LOL

[dusty kayak]

Both

Theres a doc

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[foggy canopy]

oh!! thank you!

[still blade]

You're not able to plant/fertilize your friend's crops even if you're an editor, right?

[trim shadow]

Ok does anyone else have this happen to them

Without using quality boost fertilizer I'm naturally getting more star crops than regular ones

[royal flare]

Maybe you have star seeds?

[acoustic laurel]

What's your gardening level?
Chance of star crops = level x2% (+50% for star seeds)

[trim shadow]

19 almost 20

[royal flare]

Levels can exceed 10‽ Oh wow, I gotta check my character 's profile later

[acoustic laurel]

So you have either a 38% or 88% depending on if You're using star seeds

There's no max level people have hundreds in their skills (esp cooking with cake parties)

[trim shadow]

I never use star seeds it gets really annoying cuz I have so much star produce but so little star spices and meat it makes cooking frustrating

[acoustic laurel]

You can lock up your star produce and stuff, what I do cuz I have so many star crops is lock up star forageables and check the cook with star ingredients option

[trim shadow]

Yeah that's what they suggested in #🐣│palia-newbies

[acoustic laurel]

My lockbox is pretty much seeds and star forageables

[trim shadow]

I wish I could just pick and choose star ingredients individually

[potent kiln]

Can someone explain crops to me? The fertilizers? Some of my plants csn only have two fertilizers others say I have 3 different fertilizers

[molten cloud]

each plant gives a buff to the plant next to it. Fertilizer is the poop you make with worms or buy from vendors. for example tomatoes give water retention, and onions give weed prevention. if placed next to each other the onion won't need to be watered and the tomato wont need to be weeded.

[potent kiln]

Ahhh OK thanks

[molten cloud]

read on the seed packet's it will tell you wat buffs each plant has

[potent kiln]

Why didn't I think of that .-.

[scenic moss]

to the right of the crop layout you can see what I do with the harvest, I preserve all except rice, wheat, potatoes and 2 seedmakers I keep running to make seeds for planting 🙂

[molten cloud]

also the buff works in a cross, not diagonal as well.

[molten cloud]

why not having star spices would be a problem? The game automatically gets non star spices if you run out of them

[trim shadow]

I save them if there's another quest like "your order is served" and I need to make difficult star quality meals

[molten cloud]

I usually lock my rare star spices. that way the game will just use regular

[winged tusk]

Does new crops added after event are temporary? Or they will disappear after event. BTW can anyone share farm layout with these new crops?(combine with all other crops)

[nova yoke]

They'll remain.

[formal blade]

what is the best money layout witch apples?

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W-T.WR.WT.WCb.WW.WCb.WT.WR.WT.W-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W-R.WW.WR.WT.WCb.WT.WR.WW.WR.W-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W-R.WW.WR.WT.WCb.WT.WR.WW.WR-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W-T.WR.WT.WCb.WW.WCb.WT.WR.WT.W-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W

i'm going to switch potatoes for the napa cabbage

it's weed free, fully water retention, and i get 120 apples per harvest if all five trees harvested at same time.

[formal blade]

ty

[nova yoke]

This is what I'll be rocking once I get my stockpile of blueberries up.
Idk if the cabbages are better than potatoes however.

And it even leaves me 6 slots for whatever other crop I may need.

It isn't the best but there really isn't anything crazy expensive that you'll need right away.

[left portal]

Anyone see major mistakes in this? Not weeding nor harvesting Corn or Wheat, so weeds only stay there.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrA.SA.SWA.SA.SRA.SA.S-A.SCb.HA.SA.SP.HA.SA.SCbA.S-A.SA.SCrA.SA.SWA.SA.SR-CbA.SA.SP.HA.SA.SCbA.SA.S-A.SRA.SA.SCrA.SA.SRA.S-A.SA.SCbA.SA.SP.HA.SA.SCb-RA.SA.SWA.SA.SCrA.SA.S-A.SCbA.SA.SP.HA.SA.SCb.HA.S-A.SA.SRA.SA.SWA.SA.SCr

[nova yoke]

I'd personally recommend tomatoes over potatoes(since you can pick them multiple times, but potatoes are way better for the worm farm so it's up to bias) , but I can't say anything else is particularly bad since idk the value of the cabbages yet.
You can always add water retention fertilizer from Zeki's store.

[wary finch]

The difference between those crops is anyway marginal if you include the time factor as well. They are all more or less balanced out to provide roughly the same income, if calculated separately. What actually makes the difference is in the infrastructure of post-processing you have installed on your property - it is clear, that with more seeders/preserve jars/worm farms you can generate more income per time unit - this is basically where the income differences are coming from.

And with a limited amount of machines you can use, higher priced crops generate more income per time unit, if you are utilizing your machinery to the fullest.

So the bottleneck is basically how many machines you are using and how well you can utilize them and if you are actually using them, because if you have overwhelming produce outcome and are just bulk selling that directly, your income per time unit might even exceed that of processed crops.

The value of an apple isn't really much per time unit, if it has to wait on being processed in a preserve jar for an average of 14 days before you gain 50% more than selling it immediately.

Post-processing crops is useful though, if you have longer offline times, because it will work while you are offline as well and generate income.

how do I get to 14 days average - 1 apple can be processed immediately, the other 28 have to wait, so 28x29/2 divided by 29 apples = 14 days average

with 31 apples it would be 30x31/2 divided by 31 apples = 15 days average, so the more you pack into your preserve jar, the more the effect of crop just sitting there waiting to be processed has a negative effect on income per time unit.

[wary finch]

tl,dr is - if you have a use for processed crop or are offline for many hours, then post-processing is good, otherwise it might generate more income per time unit invested, to just sell it directly without further processing.

[left portal]

Are you explaining for me Lys?

[wary finch]

no in general

[left portal]

Did anyone take a look at my layout question

[wary finch]

4433 gold/day post processed, I have layouts with 5200/day with less hassle, but it is ok. the lack of quality is not that good though.

itisnot the amount of apples which makes good income,but a clever layout.

[left portal]

What's the 5200/day look like please

[wary finch]

I think it was this one with 3 apples in my weirdly shaped garden https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-R.QB.QB.QO.QB.QB.QR.QOA-CoSp.QSp.QRSp.QSp.QAAR-AAAAAAAAA-B.QB.QCo.QB.QB.QRRAA-NNNNNNAR.QCr.Q-Sp.QSp.QASp.QSp.QACoRO.Q-AABAABC.QRCo.Q-BRSp.QBCoSp.QRCO-Sp.QAASp.QAACRCo.Q-AB.QB.QAB.QB.QNNN

[left portal]

mhm

[wary finch]

design your garden and machinery use for what you actually need, the solution is not always the highest amount of apples.

I calculated it over 360 days, that makes a difference as well, because you can see the effect of faster growing crops in relation to those with a longer time frame

not saying you should do that,it is just a solution for what I needed at that time and adapted to my garden shape.

[left portal]

I think it's also important to estimate number of cooking parties you do per real life day, their needed ingredients and group income. Compared to solo play without cooking parties.

[wary finch]

yeah, design it for what you need, that is what I'm saying.

you have 6 apples and raw value 1.05 million in 360 days, my weird garden with just half as many apples has a raw value of 1.22 million, if sold directly - so having double as many apples is not getting you more income than I have.

I'm not running an apple garden anymore, I have no real use for apples.

I'm actually running this, 4250/day post processed, not as good as that with apples, but even less hassle https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CoBBRBBSp.QSp.QSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-NNNNNNSpCoR-Sp.QSp.QSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpBBRBBNNN

and fertilizing it takes 1 bug, 1 meat and 1 mushroom every 5 days, it's basically free even if I would buy meat and mushroom, because weeding covers those costs

from a certain point on there is no use for even more money in this game and I'm not a gambler, so not interested in zeki's coins.

[left portal]

Why quality boost?

[wary finch]

50% more value

[left portal]

How is that calculated? I believe all my crops are guaranteed star due to being star seeded and over level 25.

[wary finch]

this is for pre-25, and I'm just using star seeds for peppers and berries, because I have no other quality.

those peppers in the middle provide most of the quality boost, and cotton completes it. rice is quickly growing between those berries and can be harvested quite frequently and provides the harvest boost. just the pepper on the left needs quality support.

I made this layout to boost the progress of my 2 other characters, because it can be used as soon as they have pepper access with 14 pepper bushes and before that those bush spots are used for other crop, it is a start-up layout basically.

and whenever I need to grow something else, I use one or more of those blueberry spots for that, pretty flexible layout with good quality upgrade support.

and it is simple, wherever there is no rice cotton is a bush spot, so very easy to maintain, when I plant something else in those spots.