🌱│gardening

[maiden python]

More viable to jar.

[lapis forum]

thank you 💜

[maiden python]

np! Jarred tomatoes come out to 51g per tomato while seeds come out to 40g per tomato.

[lapis forum]

okay thankies. that will help!

[hallow hornet]

just a smidge of water

[untold smelt]

Gonna try this new setup, I never use fertilizer so I have a TON of it that I’m gonna use for this. And I’m gonna jar everything

And I only make star quality seeds, so honestly I feel like I’m just wasting quality up fertilizer lol

Is there any use for the quality up fertilizer if u use star quality seeds? Like should I be using the fertilizer for something else? Just sell it?

[dusty kayak]

Before level 25 yes
After not really

But i always used cotten back then anyways

[untold smelt]

What should I do with it after I’m level 25 gardening? Just sell it?

[dusty kayak]

Honestly i sometimes throw random fert down for the "use 30 fert" weekly

[untold smelt]

Hahah good idea 😆

Thanks for the help

[dusty kayak]

[unborn sphinx]

hey quick question, does hydratepro fertilizer prevent need of watering the next ingame or real time day?

[dusty kayak]

every growth tick

which should be every palia day

[zenith summit]

growth ticks are every Palia day at 6am

[median juniper]

Which is at xx:15 time in real life

[unborn sphinx]

thanks!

[frank dragon]

anyone know what the fastest way to level gardening is?

like if I put out all apple trees?

[dusty kayak]

Apple trees with yeild boost probably but all apple trees might work enough lol
This is my layout and im in the 60s rn for gardening level: #🌱│gardening message

[knotty current]

anyone know how much seed makers we should have on our plot? i have 4 at the moment but i feel like i wanna add a few more, but im not too sure how many

[frank dragon]

I dont think there is an exact number. The more seed output and worm/glowworm farms generating materials the more value you get. personally I've just gone down to 1 of each machine(wood, smelting, etc) + as many worm farms/preserve barrels/seed makers as I can

[bitter blade]

What’s the best combo for making lots of money (not faster but more money)

[compact rampart]

Im magic now... not pressing anything 🤣

[timber basalt]

standing on a hill? 🤣

[keen willow]

all crops give same exp, 4exp per slot per day of growth on harvest. Only way to increase that is to use growth boost from SpeedGro or apple/bb crop boost, or to just log in more often.

[frank dragon]

That’s great to know, thank you!

[dusty kayak]

I usually have 5 apple trees going
Turn apples to jam
And turn jam to fertilizer and worms

Selling the fert and worms

[bitter blade]

Thank you

[stoic kernel]

my potato focused field

[rare cloud]

i just noticed this...

[modern arch]

Yeah it is a glitch they show you earlier

[blissful axle]

Hm... I wonder if there's other chopped stuff...

[modern arch]

Maybe in the future

[blissful axle]

I just automatically go to liver when I see food which starts with chopped.

[lapis cape]

Oooh... last time this happened we had new ingredients officially added a patch or two latter, IIRC

[bitter blade]

What’s the best thing to feed my worm farms to give me the most produce. Other than cake since I don’t have anymore

[stoic kernel]

if you dont need them for fishing and just want gold from it then feed them the normal mushrooms that you can buy at zekis

its slow but steady income with not much trouble to refill

[bitter blade]

I want them for fertiliser for my garden. So to get the most fertiliser out of it that I can

[stoic kernel]

apple jam it is then

can also go with raw star apples but they give less - its just that this would safe you the jam processing

if you want some fertilizer (same as big cakes/apple jam) the cheapest product avaiable is probably sweet leafs if you have a problem with sustaining the apples/jam

[sick phoenix]

Hey guys ! i wanna moove my soils into another plot, but its been 3 days since i am waiting for the soil to untilled, do you know how long do i have to wait ?

[proud dove]

Probs the fertilizer needs to be used up

[sick phoenix]

i dont know how to get them out, and the tiles that dont have it dont dissapear im getting defeated lol

[proud dove]

Just plant rice, it grows quickest.

Are you able to move the tilled one without anything on it?

[sick phoenix]

should i put rice on the tiled ones too ?

[proud dove]

Nah, try just the fertilized ones.

[sterile cape]

I always thought it was 2 days and honestly wasn't paying attention when I moved mine but it seemed to take forever.

[dusty kayak]

They should make it so the same way to remove crops would remove the tilling 🤔

[proud dove]

How do we remove crops?

[sick phoenix]

using the right click with the hoe

[proud dove]

Oh, interesting.

[sterile cape]

You can but I think it doesn't matter if there is fertilizer or not, but at lest rice will grow in 3 hours and you will earn some money 😉

[sick phoenix]

yeah i think putting rice is the most clever way to go about it

[upper reef]

Looks lucrative. How many seeders are you running? Need to up my crafting cap.

[stoic kernel]

14 for potatoes right now 🙄 depends on how much time you have on your hands

[dusty kayak]

i have 12 jars and 4 seeders at the moment since my focus is apple jam but my potats go in the seeders

[proud dove]

Hm

[keen willow]

not sure scrambling your crops is worth the extra profit, something like this would be a lot easier to replant and only slightly less profitable (2 potatoes turn into tomatoes):
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H
also you need to include cost of fertilizer (81x5g = 405g) that lowers this layout's profit. It would be better to go with harvest boost from crops and to use water retain fertilizer since that one is cheaper (2g vs 5g) and can be bought, so something like this:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp-P.HpRP.HpP.HpCrP.HpP.HpRP.Hp
but even this one has a 54x2g=108g cost, so mixing tomato would still keep profits high (224g less but no fertilizer). So it depends if you view fertilizing cops to be worth extra 116g profit. Personally i'd say watering might be preferable to fertilizing.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP
also take into account machine limit, potato heavy layouts are good for profit, but they cap rather early. If you tend to your garden a lot you will end up overproducing so mixing tomatoes for water retain might be preferable anyway

[proud dove]

I'm not paying for fertilizer, I've got Worm farms for that.

Which is why I'm not using any fertilizer that has to be bought.

[keen willow]

it still has value, so you are "spending" 5g per piece by using it instead of selling

[proud dove]

Everything I'm not selling is a loss of profit then, I may as well not have anything in my chests at all and just have money.

Clearly this is the optimal layout for most gain.

[stark onyx]

did your plots previously have blueberries or peppers that crossed the 9x9 square boundries? I was able to move mine even with plants on them, unless it had something planted that crossed over from one plot to another. nope mybad doesn't work... coulda sworn but i'm more brainless 😄

[dusty kayak]

i dont think ive ever used quality fert passed like my first day of playing, always prefferred to have cotton around instead at least it can be sold lol

[sick phoenix]

I am way too much of a brainless bimbo to remember sorry 😭

[proud dove]

Yeah, I'm going to stick with this one.

[stoic kernel]

sadly even if you do that you wont have enough seeders and jammers - i always hit my limit with less

[stoic kernel]

which is why i use it like this without fertilizer

[hot pelican]

can I unplant something if I put it in the wrong place for my plan?

Edit: You can right-click with the hoe to destroy a planted crop.

[night vessel]

hol up, theres optimized layouts to plant crops in?? i thought wherever they went they were fine there lmao

[flat rain]

can you link the palia garden planner ingame?

[proud dove]

I just made that one cause that's how my brain feels staring at the planner, scrambled.

[proud dove]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/ @gentle sedge

[gentle sedge]

Oh thanks!

Didn't even have this channel haha

This is my basic layout.

Looks like I need to optimise haha

Wait you can plant the jars of preserved veggies?

[proud dove]

If you really want nothing but apples

[proud dove]

Trying to have every crop at least once, while keeping 100% water retain and have it all be symmetrical is a fun challenge. Especially when not using 3x3 layout XD

[maiden python]

Four days after finishing my new crop layout and processing setup and I'm 5k away from hitting the gold cap. 🎉

[proud dove]

Anchor mode

[worldly thorn]

how does water retain work? what does it do?

[dusty kayak]

the plant will stay watered as long as it and the plant giving it the retain are also watered once (and as long as it's not still having weeds)

[slate cedar]

Hi all! Anyone has a good setup 100% afk with bushes and apple trees and a bit of everything?

[hexed mica]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TWRPCrSpTCoSp-PTRSpBBSpBB-WCrRTPTWCP-WPTRWRTPT-AAAAAAAAA-RORTPCrROW-RWBPCoBTWR-BSpSpBSpSpTPR-WCPTPTWCrR ?

[craggy rune]

Hey guys, i just made my first ever layout. I tried to max out the worth/day. What is your max you've ever planned? Mine is now 5.408/day

[dusty kayak]

This is my layout, it's more of a long term plan then a profit in 1 day plan
apples to jam, jam to worm farms, sell worms and fert
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTCrAAAAAA-PTATPACrCrA-AATAAPAACr-AAAPCrPTCrT-AAAAAAAAA-CrPTCrTPAAA-CrAAPAATAA-APTACrCrAPT-AAAAAACrPT

doc for comparing item worth, to worm farm worth, to glow worm farm worth:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[proud dove]

Can just swap the cotton for onion/carrot whenever needed.

[fickle kettle]

Help how do I remove a crop

[proud dove]

Right click with hoe

It will destroy it though, so careful.

[fickle kettle]

Thank u 😊

[maiden python]

Nice! I'd love to see what your layout is. Mine gets me 5,311g/day.

[craggy rune]

Oh, you dont even have watering 🙈

potato, wheat, rice and blueberry as seed, apple and tomato as jar

[proud dove]

Nyehehehe

Sometimes, you just want fast fabric.

[craggy rune]

potato is best single slot crop when making to seed, you could switch you tomato and potatos

[proud dove]

It's not significant enough of a difference and I like not having to replant stuff for a while.

[maiden python]

Nice. I chose corn over tomatoes for the harvest boost and because it's worth more per jar, but tomatoes seem to harvest more frequently, hence more gold. Definitely makes me want to experiment with different crops now. Btw, you could make more jarring the blueberries. It's a marginal difference of 31g/day, though.

[dusty kayak]

blueberries in general are poor money in comparison to other things

(unless you bake)

[craggy rune]

yeah, but jar blueberry, takes too long, all my machines are full all the time

i need to seed the bb's to safe some time

[craggy rune]

blueberrys are only for the grow boost for the apple trees

[dusty kayak]

Valid

Apple superiority

[bitter blade]

You jar corn ?

[maiden python]

Yep, worth slightly more (2g/unit) than seeding.

[dusty kayak]

Still highly reccomend this doc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[maiden python]

I still need to check out the worm farm doc, but messing with the layout some more, I managed 5,587g/day.

[dusty kayak]

not me, using my own 1 apple layout because of my alt account getting an apple seed from the zeki gacha once

[reef lichen]

due to lack of pins, does anyone happen to have a good lowlevel 9x9 layout?

found some online but they're all endlevel alas im only 4 ^^'

[reef lichen]

thanks 😉 if i may be so bold: you dont happen to have the seed recap on hand as well per chance? ( would save me the countin :D)

[dusty kayak]

sadly not my set up just an old screenshot haha

[reef lichen]

thanks tho 😉 guess ill copy paste it quickly into excel and use count functions 😄

in case you may want to note it with the screenshot ( 32 Tomato 28 Potato 17 Rice 4 Cotton )

[dusty kayak]

will add to notes

new edit for only 1 tree, variety of crops with buffs on tree
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCSpPCrSpTPT-SpTPSpPTWCoR-TCTPCrPTPT-PCPOWCoPTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTPCoROPTP-TCTOCrSpTPSp-RCoPSpWTSpTP-TCTPCrOTPT

[hard mortar]

For folks without apples/blueberries who just need some quick seed cash:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.QR.QP.QP.QW.QT.QT.QR.QP.Q-T.QR.QP.QP.QW.QT.QT.QR.QP.Q-T.QR.QT.QP.QW.QP.QT.QR.QT.Q-P.QW.QT.QT.QR.QP.QP.QW.QT.Q-P.QW.QT.QT.QR.QP.QP.QW.QT.Q-P.QW.QP.QT.QR.QT.QP.QW.QP.Q-T.QR.QP.QP.QW.QT.QT.QR.QP.Q-T.QR.QP.QP.QW.QT.QT.QR.QP.Q-T.QR.QT.QP.QW.QP.QT.QR.QT.Q

Excess hunting muujin meat or regular potatoes for worms -> fert

[maiden python]

With five growth boost fertilizers (corner potatoes and center corn), you can go up to 5,662g/day.

[gilded jolt]

i kinda want a little bit of everything as i use some ingredients for cooking, otherwise overflow just get proccessed and sold

[frail escarp]

Pretty decent by itself for the 100% water retain and having a nice pattern!

Also just for anyone who wants to play with this, here's the code:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTWTCoTWTP-PTPWBBTBB-WTPTCoTPTW-PBBTBBPWT-AAAAAAAAA-BBPBBTTWP-WTPTCoTPTW-TBBWBBPTP-PTWTCoTWTP

Without touching the current crop variety, you can reduce the amount of tomatoes in exchange for getting harvest boost on the apple tree if you'd like
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTWTCoTWTP-PTPWBBTBB-WTPTCoTPTW-PBBTBBPWP-AAAAAAAAA-BBPBBTPWP-TCoTBBCoBBT-WWWTPTPCoP-TCoTCoBBTBB

wait wrong image

Mostly touched the bottom 3 plots, ruining its pattern but I tried to at least make the row symmetrical . There might be a better way to go about this

[scenic moss]

this is the one I am using, no watering no weeding: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTOCWCrOSpSp-CPTPCoRTOC-OCPWCrTPCoO-TSpSpPOCCRT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TRCCOPBBT-OCoPTCrWPCO-COTRCoPTPC-BBOCrWCOTP

[hexed current]

If someone is fun of Cream of Tomato Soup

[proud dove]

Is quality fert even useful at lvl 25+?

[dusty kayak]

With non starred seeds maybe
After 50 tho not so much

[proud dove]

I only get non-starred seeds as a side-product and I just gift them to NPCs for weeklies.

[dusty kayak]

After 50 pretty much everything ends up quality

[proud dove]

Hm, since I can't play Palia, I can play on the Garden planner,
I need a challenge. What should I try to achieve?

[smoky wraith]

most profit in preserves

like in jam and pickled things lol

[proud dove]

Will try.
In meantime, here's at least 2 of each (except apples), with 100% water/weed covered.

[proud dove]

If we're talking purely things you can preserve, here's with and without blueberries

[proud dove]

Plenty of variety with the amount of apple trees either 2 or 3. Less apples doesn't mean less profit, just slightly faster?

[smoky wraith]

ive been trying to do that for days but the max daily i come out with is like 1k lmaooo ty

[proud dove]

Actually, if you swap tomatoes/with potatoes to give them the growth boost, it goes higher, if all you do is use jars, rather than seedmakers.

Potatoes might be good for seeds, but I just like not having to replant stuff xD

Unfortunately this doesn't take into consideration how long it takes to preserve things and such.
And I tend to just feed Apple/blueberry jam and pickled tomatoes to my worm farms instead.
(And use pickled corns as food for myself. Cba to make that soup all the time, since it can't stay consistently star quality)

[proud dove]

Here's another pretty pattern

[dusty kayak]

reminding me of my SOs pinwheel

[proud dove]

I'm always tempted to make a "I will just not harvest those, they're there only to give bonus to others", but the noise is annoying and the dry spots don't look as nice D:

[gleaming glen]

Is there a planner for fertilizer v.s. jarring produce?

[half sparrow]

There is a profit tracker here: https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit I think this is what you are looking for.

[gleaming glen]

Oooh thanks, that helps a bunch!

[half sparrow]

The whole site is pretty amazing. It's a site created and maintained by a fan. Her work is really top notch.

[gleaming glen]

*nods nods*

[proud dove]

Technically no one is stopping you from doing this and questioning your life choices.

[gleaming glen]

Ok, because I take a bit to figure things out. What the site is doing is reccomending the better of the two? (as in it is better to put apple jam in the regular worm farm over the glow worm farm ec.t)

[half sparrow]

It automatically selects the highest profit output crafter for each thing. But you can expand it and compare the different crafters and what each of them will output in materials/gold profit.

[gleaming glen]

perfect! That is exactly what I needed <3

Oh! Does it take into account the time or just the units?

(i.e you get more for each potatoe pickled but you get less pickled per hour than tomatoes)

[half sparrow]

Pretty sure it's just raw output. So I guess it might leave a little work for us to figure out still. lol

[gleaming glen]

Ok, that was the math I was trying to work out before... I've gotten to the point that if I know I'll be away from the game for a while I stock potatoes into everything. If I am actively playing I stock tomatoes

But I was wondering if that was -actually- efficient or if I was just misguided into believing so

[limber crescent]

How did you get the bushes?! your garden is so pretty!!!

[valid plank]

blooberry bushes :D ||You can get them from zeki coin machine, badruu's level 3 friendship quest, or guild shop (dont waste your medals on guild shop though!!! so spensive D:, save for the well instead)||

[limber crescent]

oh my gosh thank you!!! <333

[flat rain]

is apple worth income?

[dusty kayak]

apple jam is good money
so is putting apple jam into worm farms and selling the worms and fertilizer it produces which is a bit more money

[plucky robin]

any reccomended garden layouts?

[dusty kayak]

There are a million different ways you can go about it since it is heavily deoendant on what your own personal goals are but here I compiled a short list of layouts ranging from more newbie to higher level
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?usp=sharing

[proud dove]

Yeah, it really depends on what you're trying to grow and how actively you want to participate in managing it.
Some want 100% AFK, water retain/weed free, some want weeds. Some want specific crops, or only profit.
It's probably easier to find one once you state what you want your garden to do for you.

[maiden python]

Wondering what y'all think. Simple mid-tier 3x3 AFK layout; 100% water retention, weed prevention, and harvest boost, and good crop variety before getting berries, apples, and peppers. Only requires 9x HydratePro and 9x WeedBlock fertilizer for 36g at the general store. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.WT.WP.WRWCrOCO-T.WP.WT.WRWCrCOC-P.WT.WP.WRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrOCO-TPTRWCrCOC-PTPRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrO.HpC.HpO.Hp-TPTRWCrC.HpO.HpC.Hp-PTPRWCrO.HpC.HpO.Hp

[gilded jolt]

i made a fun setup

[proud dove]

14 Berry bushes is the most I can do with 100% water retain from tomatoes/potatoes xD

[worldly charm]

can someone explain why weed coverage is so important. I see in every layout but don't get it. It feels like I can just weed the stuff when I water. What am I missing

[proud dove]

It's for when you want to be away from your Garden for more than a day. Otherwise, I use weeds for extra income

[tiny burrow]

I have a two part question: 1) Should I have more seed machines or juicers? I have 2 juicers, 5 seed machines, and 4 juicers. 2) Other than a tree (I haven't met the requirement), what is the next best crop. I am currently doing all tomatos & selling the juice.

[maiden python]

You generally get more value out of jarring your crops than seeding them (with potatoes being an exception), so I'd prioritize barrels. As for next-best crop, I'm not sure. Probably the best value is potatoes for their seeds (four bags per potato for 120g).

Here's a good resource for comparing crop values. However, it doesn't take into consideration days-to-harvest or harvests-per-plant. https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:List/Crops_Money

[tiny burrow]

Ohhh, I'm so doing all potatos! Thanks for the link. I had it before but I didn't save it.

[maiden python]

No problem. Potatoes have a five-day, single-use harvest, so just keep that in mind.

[tiny burrow]

I'm not sure if that is a problem financially or not. I'm going to do a test run after my final harvest of my tomatoes. Thanks again!

[maiden python]

ICYI, all-potatoes yields 2,904g/day while all-tomatoes yields 2,339g/day.

[tiny burrow]

Yup! Potatoes it is. You've been a great help sensei 🙂

[smoky wraith]

Okay, in case anyone wants a challenge, I need to prioritize blueberrries, apples, potatoes and spicy peppers. I have 8 soil plots to use. I wanna be as AFK as possible so I can go gather mats.

I COULD use 9 but I think I want all other crops on the 9th plot - hoping we get more soon

[proud dove]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-110_CROPS-RPTPSpSpTSpSp-PBBCrBBRPT-RPTSpSpPSpSpR-PCrRBBPBBT-AAAAAAAAA-BBCrBBPRPT-RSpSpPSpSpTPR-BBCrBBPCrPT
This one has full water retain, but no weed prevention, which you can use weedblock only on the crops you care about. And then only harvest what you want, leaving the rest to maintain bonuses?

[smoky wraith]

This is perrrfect thank you!!

[last lake]

Where is that gardening guide for those who have yet to get to the berries, apples and such? The early one. I saw one in this server earlier, but can not find it again.

[keen willow]

this one? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?usp=sharing

[last lake]

Yes. Thank you!

[sterile cape]

I like it 🙂 Start fishing and making grilled fish for your worm farm, you will get some QualityUp fertilizer, you may add this for higher profit 😉

[young oar]

Does anyone know where I can find the numbers for how many of each crop gets harvested from a single plant?

[keen willow]

column D in Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f39XkRS-H6WaeKaCwS_iyLZVhTvmfpu14irjb8K9awU/edit#gid=992716853, note that it's for all harvests, so divide by 4 for regrowing plants

but in general, it's 2/6/16 based on crop size

[young oar]

Thank you!!

[proud dove]

Back on my nonsense of making odd layouts XD

This one is fun

[ornate quarry]

is there a way to destroy crops that u placed by accident

[acoustic laurel]

Right click with the hoe

[frail escarp]

Heya folks! Mild update on the garden planner.

Crafter support is almost completed! It'll come with a small degree of configuration such as how many crafters for each crop type, or how many crafters overall if you plan on just inserting whatever you harvest in whatever's available. While it's not as configurable as desired, it should hopefully give better approximations of gold averages. Current crafter implementation also allows room for me to expand into worm farms in the future, but that's likely not anytime soon

There's still a plenty of room for debate though, as there are definitely more efficient crafter management methods that the planner is struggling to implement

What's left for this feature includes tweaking crafter behaviour to get more optimal/accurate processing times (if possible), bug fixes to stomp out, and then fully implementing the UI. A setting will also come to have the current data displays on release, as I'm still weighing my options regarding saving/sharability/planner UX

I'll likely ask some people to test this out before making it on the live planner soon!

[proud dove]

SWEET. I love the Garden Planner. More than my garden, lmao

[pine lantern]

I am totaly new at this , that being said what is the best layout for Profit Gain. I have all 9 plots and still pre Berries and Apples. Thanks in advance.

[dusty kayak]

Most profitable gets complicated
But ive found apples to apple jam to worm farming the jam and selling the fert and worms to be quite profitable

[pine lantern]

no apples yet, so as for normal crops?

[dusty kayak]

Check the before apples one in my list :3 credits to @/bdx.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?usp=sharing

[pine lantern]

ok that is the one I have been useing. Thank you for that as well.

[pine lantern]

ok noob question again, do I need to have all my plots together or can there be space between them?

[maiden python]

You can have space in between, but you need to have the crops next to each other to apply buffs.

[fallow obsidian]

Has anyone got a link to an updated resource for best farm plot arrangements for gardening xp rush

[balmy wolf]

What is good to put in (glow) worm farms for making harvest boost fertilizer? (aside from celebration cakes)

[dusty kayak]

Honestly apple trees with increased harvest is the way to go here
And if you don't have apples then tomatoes until you get apples

I have 5 apple trees going and im in the 60s in gardening

[fallow obsidian]

I presume the xp formula is just crop-type x yield? So just highest level crop (apples), with harvest boost, growth speed, etc?

[dusty kayak]

Sounds about right yeah:)

Got a couple good apple set ups here for ya if you want
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?usp=sharing

Before level 25 and after level 25

But youd need growth speed fert if you wanted that buff cause i dont account for that xD

[subtle ocean]

anyone know a good fast growing apple and blueberry farm

theres just not enough plots for all the gardening I have in me

[fallow obsidian]

Under what criteria? Like does watering and weeding bother you? Or are you able to return to plot daily to manage, and therefore want just maximum throughput of star crops and yield?

[subtle ocean]

do I have to pick

I guess

how do I get to have them the fastest and the most

If I have to sacrifise picking weeds and watering I dont mind

whatever makes me the most money possible the fastest *

[subtle ocean]

I'm thinking this one is a good balance of both

[maiden python]

This one's working out pretty well for me. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.SRCrRBBCrBB-AAAAAAAAA-CrRP.SBBRBBCr-AAAAAAAAA-PRPRCr.SRPRP-AAAAAAAAA-CrBBRBBP.SRCr-AAAAAAAAA-BBCrBBRCrRP.S

[subtle ocean]

THANKYOU!

❤️

[fallow obsidian]

Yeah, with current fertilisers and crops, you basically sacrifice like maintenance for max profit (growth speed, yield and quality vs water retention and weeds). Lazy farming for me with decent profit is planting for yield and weeds, fertilizing for water, and relying on starred seeds for quality. Makes it low maintenance, but decent profit, albeit no growth speed (and still gives me mostly star crops for cooking).

[dusty kayak]

After level 25 you're almost guarenteed star crops with star seeds and a bit before that is still a high chance so it gets easier to just rely on star seeds as you level to be starred

[fallow obsidian]

Can I ask what the significance of the "after lvl 25" section is please? I don't recall getting any bonuses or unlocks when I hit 25.

[austere flax]

I think that post-lv.25-buff is unwritten, it automatically applies as soon as you reach it

[dusty kayak]

as you level you increase your chances that seeds are quality, after 25 star seeds are pretty much ALWAYS star quality
and after 50 even regular seeds are almost always quality

[fallow obsidian]

For real? I had no idea. Is there some ingame indicator or online resource documenting that, or has it just been observed by players?

[keen willow]

just player observation, it's estimated that star seeds give 50% chance, skill level gives 2% per level. So 100% chance from star seeds at lv 25

[dusty kayak]

I haven't had a regular crop in a VERY long time lol

[fallow obsidian]

Huh. I haven't even bothered to check. Will have to suss that out. Cheers!

[slow flame]

Hey so I just noticed I filled my apple trees up with fertilizer (for watering so I don't have to water all the time) And it maxes at 99.. logged in today and they where EMPTY

I have never had my fertilizer deplete that quickly... anyone else? is it a new bug? 😦

[dusty kayak]

that is a VERY OLD BUG LOL surprised it's not fixed

[valid plume]

Is there another way to get fertilizer/hydratePro fertilizer exept buying with gold in Shop?

[covert rover]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Worm_Farm
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Glow_Worm_Farm

Hydrate Pro Fertilizer
"Can be purchased at the general store in batches of 20 for 40 gold.

Can also be made using a QualityUp Fertilizer in a planted soil, watering it and placing another 'dry' QualityUp Fertilizer on top of it."

[valid plume]

Thanks a Lot! Don't know its under Worms. Still confused with wiki

[slow flame]

it must have come back

[fallow obsidian]

has there been confirmation on some of the different fertilizer mechanics? like do weed ferts only get used if it prevents a weed growth, or is it just % chance to consume a charge every day, regardless? And is it wise to mass-fertilize each plot (at moment, i put 20 ferts per single crop, and max out a stack of fert for bushes and trees).

is there any confirmation that this is either overkill due to fertilizer not being consumed when used (i.e. psuedo random chance per 6am to just consume fertilizer regardless of if benefit growth/weed/yield/etc?

[odd oak]

all these complicated crop layouts and here i am just planting all out corn and adding quality fertilizer XD take it slow guys. its a farming game and eventually you will get to cap the gold amount regardless of what crop layout you make

[alpine meteor]

palia.wiki has good info on fertilizers.

[valid plume]

are star seed better than normal seed? give they more outcome? (without any fertilizers - didnt tocuh them yet)

[dusty kayak]

higher quality is worth more gold, higher quality seeds increase chance of crops being high quality

[valid plume]

but only a chance of better quality crops from quality seeds. hm not sure what is better to sell ^^

[thin condor]

I just make everything extra i dont cook with into preserves lol I figure that sells more regardless

[valid plume]

how many seed maker do i need to get a max farm with tomatoes running later?

[dusty kayak]

some things sell more in worm farms too
like apple jam to worm farm is good
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[valid plume]

looks like I need to play more to understand teh sheet xD

[dire mortar]

Is there any way to unseed a tile? Also is there a way to untile it, so the soil could be moved to inv or retile it, when still tiled, so all crops would need tiling at similar times?

[clear coral]

you can right click with your hoe to destroy a crop. just be careful that you don't accidentally remove the wrong crop, it's a bit finicky still. i believe if the plot is void of crops you should be able to pick it up. but the nice thing about the plots is you can go into the H menu and move them around even if there are crops planted (just keep in mind that if you have a bigger crop [blueberry bush/appletree etc] that's planted on two plots you won't be able to move either plots until the crop is gone or you remove it). hope this helped a little!

[dire mortar]

Thanks a lot. It's great, that we can destroy wrongly seeded crops and actually it's not that hard, cause it takes 3 hits with a hoe to remove, so we are warned ahead, if the targeting is wrong. I know, that we can move soils around, but what I really would like would b to tile all my garden at the same time, even if at cost of doing it a little more often and losing a bit of efficiency waiting for all crops to be harvested for tiling to begin. But, well, we are betatesting here 😉

[valid plume]

I will do gardening on the same time, when I have all soil pieces ^^ so long time^^

[dusty kayak]

the yellow boxes are the worth
so bottom one is starred jam which is worth 144 gold, followed by if you put it in the worm farm the amount you'd get from worms and fertilizer is 160 gold, then putting it in glow worm farm and selling the glow worms and fert would be 155 gold

so like 100 apples to apple jam would be worth 14,400
100 apple jams to the worm farm would be 16,000

[valid plume]

looks like also tomatoes have best value after pickling going to normal worm farm ^^

looks liek the valuable items are not so easy to get like some cooking things ^^ so I need to figure out what works for me^^

[dusty kayak]

Cooking ingredient supplier comp
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrTORPTWTCr-AAAAAAAAA-CrTCrTPRCrTW-CrSpSpTSpSpPAA-OPOCTCACA-BBCrBBTAAP-WAACrAATPR-AOAATACrPR-AAWAACrCrPT

[valid plume]

a lot apples

[dusty kayak]

apples are good for cake baking

[rose panther]

Are there any lazy layouts with a little bit of every crop, where there's no watering and no weeding? I'm level 25 btw

[frail escarp]

There was this one sometime back, forgot if there were others but it fits what you want
#🌱│gardening message

It's best to have this one on standby or replant one crop at a time as the non-lazy part is the layout complexity (but that's a given with all-crop layouts)

[thick echo]

is there any way to increase the maximum number of soil plots you can have?

[hexed mica]

you can only have up to 9

[thick echo]

aw man 😔 okay ty!

[clear coral]

been dropping more pickled stuff and jam into worm bins. do i sell both the worms and fert to make profit or is it just worms?

[dusty kayak]

all of the output, unless you want to fish and sell the fish
I keep 100 worms on hand and sell the rest

[valid plume]

im thinking about also have fertilizer on hand. or on soil ^^ for better output

[clear coral]

okay cool, tysm! i was just trying to decide if it's worth to just keep all the glow worms (i still have so many fish to catch for bundles, i hate fishing lol) or just keep some and sell the rest.

been keeping about 30 fert a week to finish the weekly but the rest gets sold unless i actually need it

[dusty kayak]

[valid plume]

will need some time to start with weeklies ^^
actually I focus on get more soil and better items^^ but its a lot gold to spent xD

still not sure how much ti keep and what to sell xD I think need more time and maybe all soils^^

[rose panther]

Thanks!

[wraith tusk]

Where do you get tree seeds??

[hollow lava]

from chopping down trees out in the world

[wraith tusk]

My game might be bugged then. I haven't gotten a single seed from trees

Do they drop near your house or no

[hollow lava]

I don't know if I ever got one from my home plot or not - lol but I chop alot of trees in Bahari bay and Kalima ( for the bees ) so I have a ton of seeds. I would go to field behind Badruu's farm and chop a bunch of trees and see what you get - (and take bug bombs cause that is where you get bees from)

[wraith tusk]

Okie! I'll try out there instead 🙂

[dusty kayak]

medium to large trees

[wraith tusk]

Okay I put 2 and 2 together and I need a bigger axe lol. I just have the standard

[subtle ocean]

What plants give growth boost?

[maiden python]

Blueberries and apples.

[subtle ocean]

Oh are those the only ones?

[maiden python]

Yup.

[subtle ocean]

So if I want faster apples I gotta plant a blueberry by it

[maiden python]

Yup. That's what you'll see in most fruit layouts.

[subtle ocean]

I c

[rare cloud]

this is the layout i use rn, is there one with 100% water retain that does all crops thats better?

[dusty kayak]

My SO made one but you have to water the bushes but its in a way where if you have upgraded watering can you just have to water the middle square

[rose panther]

Anyone else having an issue with the planner where the harvest approximations window partially covers the crops

[alpine meteor]

Are you zoomed in perhaps ?

[rose panther]

No

[alpine meteor]

ok, since its a webpage, it was a possibility. (ctrl-mousescroll)

[rose panther]

yeah it's the same no matter how much I zoom

[subtle ocean]

Any chance there's a version of this layout that includes every plant (cept peppers cause thatd probably be impossible)

[dusty kayak]

I can probably make something close hang on

[dusty kayak]

How's thissss?
(if you want cotton it could go in the middle square where that onion is XD but yeah)
couldn't quite figure out a third bush 🤔

[subtle ocean]

Thankyou, sorry lol I'm just obsessed with gardening for the maximum output with the minimum effort!

I think this is really nice I will probably use this and never change it

[dusty kayak]

glad it helped

[dusty kayak]

these have 100% water retain and varied crops if you're interested

just realized the first one of those 2 must also help @subtle ocean as well if you replace the peppers with blueberries I'm a fool LOL

[dusty kayak]

to be fair i fit 4 apple trees in this one just lacking water retain on bushes

[void wagon]

Anyone wanna share their Garden planner For 2x3??🙌

[subtle ocean]

Thankyou very much @dusty kayak I'll be sure to try them all out tbh figure out what works!

[hollow moss]

i usually change between these two atm

[void wagon]

How about when I dont have apples yet?

[sharp spire]

is harvest up soil bugged?

It hasn't increased my harvest output at all?

[keen willow]

you mean fertilizer? Did you put it every day while the plant was growing?

[valid plume]

Can you Stack some fertilizier in the soil, so you Dont have to give it every ingame day?

[sharp spire]

yes and i plant things next to them so they get the harvest up buff too?

[narrow widget]

Fertilizer does stack! You can hold G to see how much you have on each crop, there will be a number next to the fertilizer type.

[sullen pulsar]

If I get quality boost from other crops but put quality fertilizer anyway, will it be consumed?

[valid plume]

Thanks! (Im really new^^)
Also possible to Stack like 5x harvest boost and 5x on a soil Spot?

[winged nebula]

wow! we have this kind of planner? what is the website? please let me know

[restive anvil]

It's a site! Here's the link :)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[winged nebula]

thank you!

[restive anvil]

Np!

[outer ruin]

Yes sometimes it gets bugged if that tile is also growth boosted

[narrow widget]

Hi I'm sorry I'm not 100% sure what the question is but I think you're asking if you can apply two types of fertilizer? It's only one type per soil, if you try to put another type it will give you back the previous one and replace it with the new one.

[smoky wraith]

I cant seem to find a layout maximizing profit with processing the harvest my brain will not work lol

but I need to be planting ALL the seeds too

[valid plume]

ok thank you ^^ hm dont know whcih fertilizer is best. xD I think I go with quality ^^

[rose panther]

I'm looking for a layout I remember finding in this discord somewhere a couple days ago. It had a bit of every crop, 100% water retention, about 40~% or so weed prevention, and was relatively simple to replant. I don't think it had any fert, and it looks relatively simple and somewhat symmetrical? But for the life of me I CANNOT find it again. I wonder if anyone can help me out lol.

[dusty kayak]

hard to pin point
don't suppose it was one of mine? (im guessing probably not, just checking to see if i can help lol)

like i had this one?

[rose panther]

I don't think so, I think the one I'm looking for had two apple trees?

one on each side in the middle

[narrow widget]

It depends on your layout and what benefits your surrounding crops give you. Some of them for example boost the yield, the quality or keep water for you. If you don't use this site already, this is a great resource: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[sullen pulsar]

How to plant blueberry/apple? How to get seeds?

[smoky wraith]

||you get them at level 9 - or you can request the fruits and make the seeds or just request the seeds but I couldn't request them for a bit||

[sullen pulsar]

Thanks
Also you can request only what you already had/unlocked, no?

[smoky wraith]

hmmm not sure, I requested 10 apples over time and made a seed before I hit level 9

[sullen pulsar]

Maybe it's bugged then? Or I don't know how to request new stuff...

[smoky wraith]

you can find apples in recipes to request or just press o and go to the requests i think it should be in there

If i could just bring them to you I would lol

[sullen pulsar]

Oooooh, nice, thanks

[dusty kayak]

You can get a blueberry seed from ||level 3 friendship with badruu|| and an apple seed from ||level 3 friendship with either zeki or naio|| which should go relatively fast if you give them their weekly requested items and talk to them every hour you can

[sharp spire]

good to know ! Thank you! 🙂

[narrow widget]

Is this it? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WOPPCSpTOSp-TCTSpOSpSpTSp-POWSpCPSpOT-AAAAAAAAA-RPCrOCOTPT-AAAAAAAAA-TOBPCBCrOP-BTBBOBTCT-BOTBCPPOCo

has two apples, 100% water and 100% weed. it might not be the original one you were looking for, but might serve the same purpose.

[marble junco]

Do we still think the overall, after replant most profit layout is the Dirty Rice setup? 🍚

[abstract salmon]

this is the best ive been able to figure out with and without fertz

has anyone been able to figure out layout that maximizes more than 3 of the 5 buffs without blueberries?

[wraith silo]

why no blueberries?

[abstract salmon]

don't have them LOL, but if someone has a layout 9x9 that maximises more than 3 with blurberries thats fine too.

I'm just trying to see if its even possible to maximise 4

[rose panther]

No, but I might use it anyway, thanks

[alpine orbit]

What is the green plant? Cos it looks like wheat but wheats alrwsdy on there

[abstract salmon]

rice

you can vary any of the what rice and corn with eachother so long as they alternate

[wraith silo]

if the link works, this is roughly my garden layout. it changes if i want to grow different things, but the apples and blueberries stay the same https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Sp.SSp.SC.SSp.SSp.SO.ST.SP.SCo.S-P.HA.HA.HT.HA.HA.HP.WA.HA.H-A.HO.HpC.HpA.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.H-O.HC.HO.HpA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-B.HB.HO.HB.HB.HT.HP.HO.HCo.S-C.HT.HP.HP.SO.SC.SR.SCr.SW.S-A.HA.HA.HT.WB.HB.HP.WB.HB.H-T.HC.SCo.SO.QCr.ST.SC.HpR.SP.S-C.SP.ST.WO.SSp.SSp.SC.SSp.SSp.S

the apples, blueberries and peppers are symetrical diagonally, and the gaps around are mostly even numbered tiles which helps with paired planting. I also tried to minimise fertilizer that has to be paid for, and grow something of everything all at once. However, every time I think I've found the best layout, i have another idea.

A static layout may not be the best, as it doesnt take into account time.. you could alternate a harvest of one type and then a harvest of another type instead of growing all the things. And maybe you also want it to look pretty, or you have plenty of time to weed and water and want to maximise something else

[abstract salmon]

that ones pretty good, especially since eventually you get all starred crops anyway so quality boost is a wash.

Im not really worried about the actual harvest.

Im purely just trying to find if a layout is possible that maximises 4 of the buffs while using at least 2 of each crop, besides apples (but if there is one with 2 apples and 2 of each other crop too thats fine too).

no particular reason other than trying to see if it can be done

[wraith silo]

i have spent many happy hours standing still and looking at garden tiles...

the apples and blueberries give each other a growth boost, as well as boosting any surrounding plants, so taking the blueberries out wouldnt be as good

when i only had one tile plants, i tried to get all the inside tiles to five boosts - four from the neighbors and one fertilizer. Six boosts, if you count me talking to the plants..

[slow flame]

I don't believe it but I have sooo much crops and seeds ! I need to hold up cos I don't cook cept focus foods.

[hallow hornet]

That's how I optimize too. Each inner plant has 4 sides, so 4 maximum boosts. Unfortunately the bigger 2x2 and 3x3 plants make it mathematically impossible to get perfect, I'm pretty sure

[wraith silo]

i have that feeling too - although an apple tree on one edge leaves six tiles to the opposite edge, which is convenient

[hallow hornet]

Yeh but big crops on the edge means more total squares not optimized

[sullen pulsar]

I just hit lvl 9, so how do I get them? Or is the lvl 9 a prerequisite to get lvl 3 friendship?

[blazing jay]

i currently use quality up fert but since i use star seeds someones told me they are useless, should i be using harvest boost instead? most of my crops get growth boost already

this is my current setup which isnt made by me, but someone else in this chat

it covers a lot of fertiziler so i honestly dont think i even need fertiziler

[dusty kayak]

Level 10 actually, then you get weeklies and earn medals from them. The medals buy the seeds. I reccomend only buying 1 then using your first one to turn the seeds into more of your own so you don't have to spend medals on it anymore and start working on saving for the well which functions as a water can filling station.

Level 3 friendship with naio gets a apple seed

Zeki gets an apple seed

And badruu gets a blueberry seed

[sullen pulsar]

Is there gift/weeklies tutorial/guide? I never bothered

And weeklies are just question marks in UI for me

[dusty kayak]

Weekly Wants list (and daily reset count down)
https://palianpc.com
Tracker (bundles, bugs, fish, gifting, etc)
https://www.paliatracker.com/

You can gift without asking in game and it will count as long as your friendship level matches (level 1 = first want for example)

I reccomend talking to them every hour it'll go much faster

[sullen pulsar]

Why would I need well if I have my farm next to the pond?
Except for design

[dusty kayak]

Your plot will get larger the well opens up more opportunities for placements

Because of how i want my house structured my garden is in the back

[sullen pulsar]

So just for the design / optics

Ok

[dusty kayak]

the only guild store decor with a function haha

[dire laurel]

hi everyone might be a silly qs but how do we add a plot to grow more

[versed tulip]

Like a gardening plot?

The vegetable guy sells them when you reach a certain level

[dusty kayak]

max of 9 soil plots by the way

[limpid plinth]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Sp.SSp.SCrSp.SSp.SPCrPC-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-CrSp.SSp.SPSp.SSp.SCPCr-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-CCrPCrTCrPCrC-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-CrPCB.SB.SPB.SB.SCr-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-CPCrPB.SB.SCrB.SB.S if you dont wanna play for a few days your crops should still grow (at least the importent crops like apples XD)

[outer ruin]

Without fertilizer and blueberries ?

I did one totalling 388% with 0% quality boost

But that was with a ton of fert

[sullen pulsar]

any tips how to plan my garden for pickle money, some cotton and one spicy pepper?

[sullen pulsar]

I ended up with something like this
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PCrPTWTPCrP-PCrPTWTPCrP-PCrPTWTPCrP-PCrPTWTPCrP-TCoCoCoSpSpCoSpSp-PCrPTWTPCrP-PCrPTWTPCrP-PCrPTWTPCrP-PCrPTWTPCrP

EDIT: oh, actually I can have more peppers, forgot I can buy seeds

[wraith silo]

my reasoning was my apples have weed and water and growth boosts from the adjacent plants, and then I add harvest boost, and they dont need quality boost because they come out star anyway, so I am not missing out if they are on the edge

[smoky wraith]

talk to badruu! it's in his shop!

[sullen pulsar]

yeah, I'm lvl 9, don't have the medal thingies...

[smoky wraith]

oh you start to earn them at level 9 they add up quick

[hallow hornet]

yeh having the high level star gurantee helps a lot

[sullen pulsar]

not at lvl 10? I have 0

[smoky wraith]

im gunna check the wiki but im p sure

[dusty kayak]

you get weeklies at level 10

you earn access to the medal shop at level 10

but you can also get apple seeds and a blueberry seed from certain peoples level 3 friendship

[smoky wraith]

hmmm maybe im thinking completely wrong thats my bad

[dusty kayak]

i never bought any of the seeds myself, got them from villagers then made more

[wraith silo]

is it only harvesting that gives you gardening xp? if so you could grow tons of carrots and rice, which ripen fast, just to get to level 10

[dusty kayak]

tomatoes happen in bunches and you get exp per crop

[sullen pulsar]

yeah, I never did the friendship
I'm starting now...

[dusty kayak]

you can get to level 3 in 3 to 4 days

[sullen pulsar]

real life?

[dusty kayak]

day 1. weekly want level 1, talk to them every hour you are online
should hit level 2 before end of your IRL day or early the next day you log in

day 2. level 2 weekly want when level 2, talk to them all day just like before

day 3. a gift, talk to them all day, should be close to level 3

i did this with einar and was level 3 by IRL day 3 and he and hassian are the slowest to friendship build

[sullen pulsar]

yeah, I'm at:
2.5 with Badruu
1.9 with Delaila
2.1 with Nai'o

should be done in 2 days I guess

[dusty kayak]

those are the people you'll want to befriend for seeds

then use the seed maker to make more with the first crop

[sullen pulsar]

that's the plan

[dusty kayak]

talk to them every hour you're online goes faster then you think

[sullen pulsar]

real hour?

[dusty kayak]

yes thats 1 palia day, you can talk to them every palia day which is 1 irl hour

[sullen pulsar]

are spicy peppers worth anything?
4 spots -> 20 peppers 960g
4 spots -> 23 cottons 1550g

[dusty kayak]

Just good to cook with tbh

[royal gorge]

you can also make preserves jar from them, starred ones sell for good price

[opaque gate]

Haven't seen the pricing on them--is it a significant enough return to make up for the recipe and crafting costs?

[dusty kayak]

Check this doc to compare
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[hot aspen]

is there a way to untill parts of my farm?

[last lake]

I think what I did is right click with the tilling tool in my hand.

[hot aspen]

that works if theres crops in them, i wanna remove ones without crops:/

[last lake]

Ah, then mine have just disappeared on their own when I did not re-plant things on them.

[hot aspen]

okey, then ill just wait for that

[dusty kayak]

they get untilled after a while on their own, even if you put crops on them still after a couple harvests they poof

[scenic moss]

for the next few weeks I am only able to check into the game once per day. what would be a good crop layout for this limited playtime? just tomatoes and potatoes?

[tardy talon]

i really like doing tomatoes since they can make more than one yield

[subtle mirage]

Hey Palians, I haven't been around for awhile, what's the most lucrative crop nowadays? Also, is it worth it to preserve or seed any of the crops?

[dusty kayak]

check this doc to compare crop to seed to preserved
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

Potatoes sell well seeded, others sell well pickled
A lot sell more as preserved and then turned to worms and fert

I make a lot of money going apples to jam to jam in worm farms

[subtle mirage]

Fantastic, thank you!!!

[dusty kayak]

If you cant log in often you might benefit from 100% water retention AND weed blocking
Just to save a lot of time for when you can log in

On mobile but this link will take you to the layout: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCTPOPCOT-COPTCPPOT-TCPTOTCTO-PCOTOTPTP-TPCPOTTCP-OPCPOTTCP-OCOTOTPCP-POTTCPPOT-POTTCPCOT

There is probably better ways you could go about it but it works

[scenic moss]

this looks awesome. thanks

[valid plank]

We have A so we can have B <3

weed plots are still my fave ;D (Dirty Rice for when Im on a lot and need money fast, blooberries and apples for that AFK life)

[royal gorge]

I guess, absolutely. Its crafting does not cost anything. For 1 jar, you need 1 pepper. It just needs time to be done. And of course you can't cook that pepper anymore. 🙂

[tame mauve]

maybe this question is a little bit stupid but do you always plant star quality seeds? is there a higher chance to get star quality products?

[dusty kayak]

Using seed makers to turn quality crops to quality seeds is beneficial and quality seeds are higher chance for quality crops

It also gets easier as you level
After level 25 quality seeds are pretty much always quality crops

And after level 50 even regular seeds are pretty much always quality

[tame mauve]

thank you very much 🙂

[tiny burrow]

Is there a document or website that shows the different buffs crops give each other? I know that if you put tomatoes & potatoes together that makes water retention for the neighboring plant.

[dusty kayak]

Gardening Guides:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YV_LiHp48shNifWakdZtOI9j6_IqQI0A7dRdr28lHNY/edit?usp=sharing

Gardening Planner:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app

[celest iron]

Halp, y'all! I'm on Switch Lite. I'm trying to plow my newly harvested plots. I can't. The hoe keeps trying to dig them up, and I don't know how to use it the way I'm supposed to. XD XD XD

[dusty kayak]

different button for tilling then destroying
switch controls are still new to most so not sure which is which yet

[celest iron]

That's what I figured, but Y examines, X digs, A does nothing, and B jumps. XD That's why I'm so lost.

OH! I just got it by accident! I picked up the switch and hit the right trigger (ZR) and it started! HOORAY!!

[granite hornet]

Hello guys I want to maximize the amount of xp I get to level up fast the gardening. I just bought the 9x9 tiles. Does anyone have a good setup without involving apples of bluebuerries ?

[dusty kayak]

I like this one https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPTPWPTPT-PTPTWTWCoW-TPTPWPTPT-PTRTRCoPTR-PTPTCrTPTP-RTPCoRTRTP-TPTPCrPTPT-RCoRTCrTPTP-TPTPCrPTPT
from @/Elvin Hale

corn, wheat, and rice can be used interchangeably

[granite hornet]

thanks I'll set this up quickly then

[bright blaze]

Anyone else stuck with 8/9 plots? I need a garden plan...trying to figure one out now that makes sense to give me a mix of things to use and still make money

[dusty kayak]

some people have 8 plot layouts here because they use the 9th to hold all the weeds, so there's probably options around here

[bright blaze]

Its a known issue according to support. Can't seem to get my 9th that I never got in mail

[dusty kayak]

yeah just saying there is people with 8 plot layout ideas they could give you

[nimble vortex]

Hey I have a question about weed plot. Not sure how to explain it but I will try my best, sry in advance for my eng😅 So, if all crops on the weed plot are fully ripe and have all weeds and not require watering will it immediately get bugged, maybe get bugged later or maybe solve the bug issue with the need to water weeds? Have anyone tried?

[sullen pulsar]

anyone has good design for money without apples (but with berries/spicies)

[nimble vortex]

Thanks! Yea I was doubting if urs are grown, it seemed like you have all grown rice but I wasn't sure😅
Interesting info, I guess will see

[valid plank]

I never had that happen before today xD

[nimble vortex]

Do you know for how long you have this weed plot like that? (Like fully grown without need for watering)

I'm loving weedplot so much cause I can do my well in the mid

[valid plank]

^^ idk a few weeks at least

[gentle fern]

I'm going through garden patterns and I feel blind so. Does anyone have a link to a garden that has a bit of everything and is 100% water retaining/weed prevented? I don't have any of the newer crops

or at least water retaining, ig I can use weedblock

[vital widget]

YEA i made one 🙂

one second. ill post it

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-B.SB.ST.HB.SB.SC.HO.HT.HO.S-P.SCr.HC.SO.SC.SO.HR.HT.QP.H-T.HSp.SSp.SP.HSp.SSp.SO.HC.HO.H-C.HP.ST.HO.SR.HP.QP.HT.SO.H-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-P.HT.HP.SO.HC.SCr.HC.HP.HO.S-T.HO.HC.HSp.SSp.SO.HSp.SSp.ST.H-P.HT.QW.HC.HO.SC.SP.SW.HT.S-P.ST.HC.HO.HB.SB.SP.HB.SB.S

corn/wheat/rice can be changed with each other if you need more then one or the other. like right now im low on wheat so all 6 of those slots are wheat. 🙂 Cotton is super cheap so i don't plant it at all. but its got everything else! @gentle fern

[gentle fern]

yaaaaay ty

that's perfect

[ocean roost]

I just harvested my first blueberries! 🥳

[solid cedar]

I think my favorite part about palia x switch is that my joycons move so easily that I can garden while doing the Irish jig (ignore how bare my garden is)

[viscid bison]

if i dont have weed prevention how often do i need to check the garden?

every hour?

[viscid bison]

how often do i need to check for weeds every hour?

[dull gull]

Crops "grow" everyday at 6am, you just need to check it once within that day to maintain the weeds or have a crop with the weed prevention boost to help prevent them

[viscid bison]

gg

i dont have weed prevention

[light furnace]

If I'm using high quality seeds do quality boosting crops give me anything?

Nevermind! I found the answer :3

[lofty plover]

anyone have any apples they can gift me so I can turn them to seeds?

plain ol apples

[ocean roost]

weeds only 'spawn' when you visit your house. If you have water retension then you can just log into the GAME once per in game day and as long as you don't visit your house, weeds shouldn't spawn

[ocean roost]

I think you get one from one of the villagers as a gift, I wanna say it's the oldest farm boy

[viscid bison]

are you very sure about this, cause i got a few told me they spawn every tick. so i am not sure whos correct haha

[ocean roost]

It's possible it's changed in the last 3 months but that's what I've been told LMAO

[viscid bison]

yea that what i read also but it was 3 months ago hahaha i know they change alot of stuff.

[ocean roost]

My question is; how does different fertilizer work? So if I start a plant on the speed gro, and then apply like, quality up, and then on the day before harvest I use harvest boost, does that work? I have many thoughts.

[last lake]

I am still working on quests with all the characters, but am not yet getting any blueberries.

To finish my level 3 quest with Badruu, I need the Firebreathing Dragonfly, and I am not managing well with the bug catching of fast moving bugs on the Switch, so that will have to wait until I can be on the PC.

[subtle grove]

Is there a cap for soil fields?

[sterile cape]

Yes, you can have 9.

[subtle grove]

Sadge

[dusty kayak]

For now 👀

[pliant nymph]

does the 99-100 fertlizer for the whole garden or for just each of the plants?

[dusty kayak]

you can only stack fert on one crop at a time

i hope this makes sense

this is phrased poorly lol

the answer for your question i think is "just each of the plants" and not the whole garden

fert is absorbed on the crop with each growth tick at 6am

[pliant nymph]

so... i can only fertlize one crop to the max limit...?

[main dew]

You can stack fertilizer on each crop to the max limit but only with one type of fertilizer on each crop at a time. Hope this makes sense.

[pliant nymph]

i think i understand. ty!

[dusty kayak]

Thanks cream xD

It was hard to explain

[wraith silo]

Each plant can only have one type of fertilizer, but you can pile it on up to the max, so it will last a while before you have to top it up again. Each plant can have up to four boosts from adjacent plants (edge and corner plants have fewer neighbors), which last as long as the plants are still there, plus one extra from whichever fertilizer you add.

[hot aspen]

do i get more xp from farming if i use fertilizer?

[wraith silo]

not directly, but you'll get extra medals each week

[hot aspen]

is it worth putting fertilizer if im currently only farming to level up my farming skill? or does it not matter

[wraith silo]

i believe the more crops you harvest the more xp you get, so if your fertilizer increases the number or amount of harvest then it would add xp

at least, you can see the focus go down when you pick stuff

so i assume your xp went up

[hot aspen]

okayy, well then ill put the fert that adds more crops during harvest and hope that it gives more

[wraith silo]

well, it's complicated - you can increase harvests lots of ways

you could plant corn, rice or wheat next to a crop, and that would also increase its harvest and you can use a different fertilizer

[hot aspen]

ooh, now i just mass planted carrots hah

[wraith silo]

no problem with that, if you like carrots 🙂

i enjoy working out complicated planting patterns, but there's lots of planting schemes online you can find

lots of people like all tomatoes, because you can pick them multiple times without replanting

i like a bit of everything all at once

you can press your G key to see what boosts each plant is getting

a plant with five boosts is a happy happy plant

[hot aspen]

ooh, thank u for the tips! I havent farmed that much yet so i appreciate it

[wraith silo]

good luck with your layout

[dusk citrus]

Hiii, anyone has a layout to suggest to increase gold?

[smoky wraith]

This is my current layout for preserves - I wish I had more potatoes but its working out so far
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-0111-1110-1100-1000_CROPS-RBBRBBTWW-AAAAAAAAA-WCoOPCoOWCoO-RRTBBWBBW-SpSpCrSpSpCrCrCrP-BBPBBPPPCo-AAAAAAAAA-BBPBBPPPCo-WPWCoCoCoCCC

[lofty plover]

anyone have spare apples they can gift me? only need one plain apple before I can start my own apple tree

[dusty kayak]

i can, sen aka to add me

[lofty plover]

ty added 😄

[dusty kayak]

whats your IGN i get a lot of randos and you cant get rid of them LOL

wait i see ya its the same

there ya go

if you want it I have a 1 apple tree set up with crop variety

[lofty plover]

sure, I was going to just look up a bunch of grow set ups anyways

[dusty kayak]

I call it: Your First Apple Tree
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCSpPCrSpTPT-SpTPSpPTWCoR-TCTPCrPTPT-PCPOWCoPTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTPCoROPTP-TCTOCrSpTPSp-RCoPSpWTSpTP-TCTPCrOTPT

[lofty plover]

I needed this apple seed badly to begin my very own apple tree and FINALLY make honey lures to catch those god forsaken bugs that only spawn in the farm and maiji temple

[dusty kayak]

the farm one is the only bug I don't have I never find them LOL

[lofty plover]

I ran around that farm chopping trees for the glory bee, farmed over 2700 sapwood and finally got star bee

not seen a SINGLE raspberry beetle

[dusty kayak]

fr fr

[lofty plover]

thanks, I'm going to go eat now

[dusty kayak]

[atomic needle]

I got one from breaking a rock next to the farm

[dusty kayak]

isnt that a ladybug

[atomic needle]

I have one raspberry beetle, pretty sure its from a rock

[dusty kayak]

i don't thinkkkk it comes from rocks

it COULD but i dont thinnkk but maybe but the wiki doesn't say anything about coming from rocks
it might have been near a rock maybe?

oop sorry this goes too much #🐞│hunting-insects me stop

[graceful stirrup]

what is the best layout for a 6x6 if i want to plant tomatoes, potatoes, cotton, onion, wheat?

and want most profit?

[pearl obsidian]

Hello i'm in early game, what's the best method in gardening for earning Gold?

[graceful stirrup]

i started with tomatoes and converting them into seeds to sell

[pearl obsidian]

where do u get tomato seeds?

[timber basalt]

Zekis store

[pearl obsidian]

ok tyy

[zenith remnant]

What is the best template to earn a lot of money?

[valid plank]

O.O tomato seeds are nerfed heavily

Wheat and rice in this format with as many seeders as possible is good for end game or beginning. If you can't afford water retain yet, you can water on your own. If you don't want to use a weed plot, you can also weed on your own. I use 25 seeders and make 60-70k a day. It's a very active garden but very profitable.

Keeping weeds is also profitable, weeds add up. You will also have a larger profit margin in general if you ignore the weed plot and replace with the rice and wheat rows

I would highly advise against turning your tomatoes to seeds as a means to profit. It's 3 tomato to 2 seeds. 3 tomato non quality = 69g, to make 2 seeds = 80g. ( 11 g profit from 3 tomato's?)

Your tomatoes turn a better profit in preserve jars one tomato non star 23g to one pickled tomato 34g. (11g profit from one tomato)

If you only have seeders right now, I'd choose something other than tomato.

[valid plank]

Potato is even better in seeders than tomato, a potato being worth 45g on its own, turns to 4 seeds equal in value to 80g, 35g profit a potato.

Ok I sleep happy farming

[dusty kayak]

if you only have seed makers and not preserve jars yet though seeds is still more then tomato it's self it's little gain but it's gain

[zinc sluice]

As Danieldodo asked; what's the best template to earn cash? Severely lacking at the moment.

[dusty kayak]

what's your level, do you have worm farms, do you have preserve jars

[zinc sluice]

Neither of those yet, working on fishing at the moment to get worm farms.

[dusty kayak]

okay so tomato focus, if you have seed maker turn them to seeds for a little gain

it's a bit rough but better then less

[zinc sluice]

I'm working on * tomato seeds at the moment, they're cookin' in the press.

[pseudo tendon]

Isn't it better to make pickles?

[dusty kayak]

I have some newbie layouts here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[dusty kayak]

better then seeds, yes

because seeds take more then 1 tomato, and pickling is 1 to 1

[zinc sluice]

Thanks!

[pseudo tendon]

Yeah I only make seeds if I need them other than that I pickle everything

[dusty kayak]

even better in worm farm selling the fert and worms

[pseudo tendon]

my last batch of star apple jams

[zinc sluice]

So you want to pickle the tomatoes and then worm farm -> sell?

[pseudo tendon]

3

[dusty kayak]

ye for most gold

[pseudo tendon]

why isnt it uploading my pic?

strange

[zinc sluice]

Ah, required gardening 8 though, that's rough.

[dusty kayak]

file type wrong

[zinc sluice]

Will take some time.

[pseudo tendon]

ohh

ty

[dusty kayak]

yeah tomatoes are also good exp because you get exp per crop and tomatoes come off in bunches

keep your focus up when you pick them

increase focus boost at phoenix shrine as much as possible

[zinc sluice]

Yeah, i got 50% focus at the moment.

Can really feel it.

[dusty kayak]

there you go lol

[pseudo tendon]

how?????

[zinc sluice]

damn

[dusty kayak]

i clicked it, oppened it in a tab, copied image

also btw apple jam is also better in worm farms

[pseudo tendon]

saved

im saving star apple seeds now gonna do a full shipping bin of those

[dusty kayak]

i did the math and you lose out big time on apple seeds but i dont want people to come at me about it because its been an argument before lol

[viscid bison]

will you be making a weedless one ? yours have some good profit i followed hehe thou idk why sometimes either i miss a weed or something theres always like 1 with no water, was that cause by the weed?

i think the weeds make me worry LOL i keep coming back

and my patch kinda annoy me my tilling seem out of turn

lol

but theres no way to pick up the soils and reset it with out using up all the soil till

my ocd getting to me

[dusty kayak]

you could do weedblock fert? most of the before 25 level stuff i try to keep harvest and quality boosted on the most important parts (tomatoes or apples)

[pseudo tendon]

im only doing it cus 1 star apple seed = 1k. just want to see a bin full of seeds lol

[viscid bison]

das so exp

[dusty kayak]

once you're past 25 as long as you use star quality seeds you pretty much always get star quality crops
then onions/carrots can be used for weedblocking instead of cotton for quality

at least with the goals of my layouts

[strange sequoia]

Soooo, has anyone made an ‘ideal’ crop layout to enforce as little maintenance as possible lol?

[dusty kayak]

ive made a lazy one before XD but its not profitable

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCTPOPCOT-COPTCPPOT-TCPTOTCTO-PCOTOTPTP-TPCPOTTCP-OPCPOTTCP-OCOTOTPCP-POTTCPPOT-POTTCPCOT

[viscid bison]

so its either lazy or money

[dusty kayak]

YEP LOL

[pseudo tendon]

so its every 4 palian days, you harvest without maintainance?

[dusty kayak]

if all goes according to programming

[viscid bison]

i prolly just stick to money 1st

[dusty kayak]

for sure thats what i always do

[viscid bison]

until maybe when swimming in cash

[dusty kayak]

i got 5 apple trees with harvest boost and 100% water retention it's the life for me

[viscid bison]

you still have to go weed whacking?

[dusty kayak]

yeah but thats just free money in my book

[viscid bison]

i prolly want weed prevetion after cause i just want to login and logoff just to refresh the offline tick

[dusty kayak]

I just want that MONEY BABY
I use 12 preserve jars, 4 seeders for seed inventory and because potatoes are better sold as seeds, and 6 worm farms for the jams, and 1 glow worm farm for trash to keep up having some glow worms on hand

[viscid bison]

do weeds sometimes remove water?

[dusty kayak]

if left there long enough they stop growth which stops the water retain

[viscid bison]

[last lake]

Finally got blueberry seeds! One packet of them. How do we best go about those in the beginning? A smart pattern for planting them?

[dusty kayak]

just harvest boost it then make more seeds with seed maker so you dont have to buy them
though I will say they aren't very profitable
but can be used in cooking

[last lake]

What do we use for harvest boost?

[dusty kayak]

corn, wheat, or rice

needs a couple of them

[last lake]

All around the bush?

[dusty kayak]

use the garden planner to test
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app

you can see what is effecting what

needs 2 to get the boost

tomatoes and potatoes will keep water retention

this is just an example of that XD

[last lake]

Thank you. This is a tool that will be helpful. I am bookmarking that page.

[proud dove]

I wonder if this might be better for the crops I actually use, without the apples/berries overlapping soil to get bonuses. Maybe the game just doesn't like it and that's why it's not letting me play half the time >.<;

Although, this is an option too, with just using Harvest Boost on the apples.

If I don't feel like Spice Berries.

There, now apples are harvest and speed boosted with fertilizer. Gives worms something to do.

[valid plank]

[valid plume]

how is water fertilizer working. for tomatoes for example.
fresh tomato need 3 days to be done. so I need 2 water fertilizer on one spot? I would put more, liek 5 on a spot. but sometimes I need to use the hoe again, I think every fertilizer will distroy than?

[proud dove]

Fertilizer remains even after the crop is removed, if it wasn't used up.

[wraith silo]

you can add as many days fertilizer as you can afford, but only one type per plant. Or you could plant a potato next to the tomato, and neither will need watering

[valid plume]

uuuh, thats very nice!
actually imma mono tomatoe garden.
need to check if potatoes are also good. ^^

[dusty kayak]

potatoes sell well seeded

[valid plume]

they actually have better value xD so mono potato will need no water?

[wraith silo]

potatoes and tomatoes both provide water retention to the adjacent plants so you wouldnt need to come back and water every day

[dusty kayak]

crops only effect other crops

youd need tomato and potato yeah ^

best way would be diagnol rows i think for that

[valid plume]

where was the planning thingy?^^

[dusty kayak]

wrong copy paste lol

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app

[wraith silo]

plants dont boost plants of the same species, but they do boost plants of the same type, so a potato/tomato chessboard wouldn't need watering

[valid plume]

sounds good

[wraith silo]

potato/tomato provide water retention to up to four adjacent plants, onions/carrots prevent weeds, cotton increases quality and corn/rice/wheat increase harvests

so your happy potato would get different boosts from four tiles next to it, plus a fertilizer

but it depends if you like gardening, because if you dont you can plant all tomatoes and make gold from a different skill

[valid plume]

I have a row picture from tomatoes and potatoes planner says 100% water up

[proud dove]

Does it look like this? Lmao

[valid plume]

yes^^

[dusty kayak]

i think diagnol lines are better but it doesnt matter much

[valid plume]

i think using quality ferti will make the cost higher

[wraith silo]

i suspect it's impossible to get a perfect arrangement, but it's fun trying

[valid plume]

why was mentioned seeling potato seed instead of making pickled and put it to the worm farm? sure takes time^^

[proud dove]

So, this, won't need harvest boost fertilizer then

[dusty kayak]

ayy thats what i did when i started

[valid plume]

cotton like weed?

[proud dove]

I'm just lazy and really don't feel like watering and I don't like using fertilizer. xD

I let weeds grow for extra money, lmao.

[valid plume]

I think diagonal planting will get annoying xD

[dusty kayak]

whatever you do if you do it enough you get muscle memory

[valid plume]

hahaha^^

so whey planner shows seed for potatoes and weed and pickles for tomatoes. know im confused, what is the best way xD

[dusty kayak]

you cant have EVERY buff so you focus on what you care about

[valid plume]

for more money

[valid plume]

i meen for crafting stuff out of it and sell

[dusty kayak]

if you want more money you should probably focus on harvest boost and quality (corn, wheat, rice for harvest) (cotton for quality)
so you'd do this one but cotton instead of potato (until level 25 when it gets easier)

[valid plume]

like better pickled both and give it to worm farm for gold. or sell seeds?

[dusty kayak]

seed potatoes it makes more quantity which sells for more then pickled potato

[proud dove]

Cotton for quality is only useful until you're lvl 25, after that you don't need it.+use star quality seeds all the time anyway.

[dusty kayak]

tomato is good pickled, even more when put in worm farms and selling the worms and fert

[dusty kayak]

cotton you mean but yeah i mentioned : D

ah you got it

[valid plume]

so you gain more stars with highe rlevel i assume?

[proud dove]

Cotton seeds is good money too at the start, when you don't have apples/blueberries yet.

[dusty kayak]

you can get an apple seed from ||naio or zeki at level 3 friendship|| and blueberry from ||badruu the same way||
you can do this in 3 to 4 days

[valid plume]

ok pickled tomatoes for worm and rest seeds seeling

[proud dove]

Current community estimation for star crop chance is 50% from star seeds and 2% per farming level. Also at 50+ you get star crops from non-star seeds.

[dusty kayak]

sounds fine that way

[dusty kayak]

wonder if paliapedia has these numbers yet

[valid plume]

thank you so much ❤️

[proud dove]

Now if only we could farm BUGs as easily.

Raspberry beetle hates me

[dusty kayak]

the one bug im missing (but shouldnt get into it out of the bug channel )

[proud dove]

I've patrolled Daiya farm for days on end, nothing D:
I'm actually curious about the strange mini-trees Hodari grows. I want a mini tree on my farm!

[loud plume]

i am at 2 soil, with the same layout.
What do i do with the harvests?
sell all of them or do i make them seeds, or pickles?

[dusty kayak]

if you can pickle then pickle the tomatoes at least

[loud plume]

what about seed? do i make them so i can plant on next session?

[dusty kayak]

yeah just keep an inventory consistantly

make sure you have enough to replant

[loud plume]

thanks a lot

[proud dove]

it's easier to keep track of where to plant what, if you only harvest one crop at a time and replant immediately. XD

[dusty kayak]

I do that

[valid plume]

harvest and replant? so switch f and number for seed?
i run harvest and than plant xD

[sharp spire]

(Palia) money made while I slept 🤌

[dusty kayak]

So real

[keen laurel]

How can I make worms faster

[dusty kayak]

make more worm farms and split whatever you're using across them

[tropic ermine]

Thank you so much! I just started playing again after taking a break, so this is great.

[vast glen]

used Arenvanya's guide to make this plot - only thing im not sure of is the corn - anything better i should replace it with? cotton i'll use for crtafting and potatoes for preserves

[dusty kayak]

i cry over no water retention LOL

[vast glen]

lolol ikr xD its why i invested in the exquisite pail xD

but idk how id fit tomatoes in there to cover everything xP

[vast glen]

ooohh this is a really good layout though....do i actually need spicey peppers for anything? xD

[sharp spire]

I do 2 apple trees, 2 pepper plants and 2 blueberry bushes so I can get at least the apple trees and 2 of the bushes with all four boosts and the other 2 with 2 or 3 boosts. I plant potaties and tomatoes' for the water retain and carrots and onions for weed prevent and wheat or rice for harvest up, use apple jam and blueberry jams in glow work farm for speedy grow soil and use that, and then plant whatever else i want/need from there since I like to not have to think TOO too much

I only have 11 pickling stations and 4 worm farms so far though

[proud dove]

Nope, I just grow them to eat along with corn, cause I'm too lazy to cook, lmao

[sharp spire]

maybe i'll figure out how to post a picture of it like the one above and also I am curious about my layout now 😂

[vast glen]

the garden planner is a godsend and will export a png of layout for you https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[dusty kayak]

lots of recipes, i think some for unlocking subira too if i recall right

theres achievements for cooking recipes

[vast glen]

well darn xD

i guess i can rorate layouts and just like...plant spicestuff first and save them for recipes and then do more money-making one

[dusty kayak]

just like hoard some for a short bit and switch out haha

[sharp spire]

so this is just one I did I usually don't plant so much cotton all at once but this one is for when my bush plants are full grown. When they are growing I priorities water retain and weed prevent on the corner ones 🙂

[dusty kayak]

oo boi thas a lot a fert

good money output it looks like

[sharp spire]

I forgot I always plant tomatoes that's why I was confused about how much cotton was on the layout 😂 fixed it 😂 I have glow work farms for the speedy grow and use the apple jams and blue berry jam 🙂

least costly way to make speedy grow without using up a whole bunch of sweet leaf and other ingredients

[proud dove]

Here's a layout with one of each crop at least, 100% water retain and a decent money output. No fertilizer used.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CRBPTBRAA-BCrBBPBATA-BROBTPAAR-CrAATAAPBB-ACoAARATPT-AACrAATBBP-RBBTSpSpPSpSp-RTRWPWRTR-BBRSpSpTSpSpP

[sharp spire]

forgot I am above level 40 in gardening so I produce high quality and only plant quality seeds anyway since early levels

[sharp spire]

THIS IS WILD.

I must study

[proud dove]

This is me

[dusty kayak]

oh oh my SO and I made a "cooking ingredient supplier" layout once

if youre gonna have corn and wheat (and possibly rice) might as well have them giving each other harvest boost

[rigid sapphire]

im just now at 9 plots but still have no clue what im doing i have no bluberry or apple yet but got 2 preserve jars

[proud dove]

Oh yeah? Watch me grow 600 apples

[dusty kayak]

i like this one for this scenario
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPTPWPTPT-PTPTWTWCoW-TPTPWPTPT-PTRTRCoPTR-PTPTCrTPTP-RTPCoRTRTP-TPTPCrPTPT-RCoRTCrTPTP-TPTPCrPTPT

[rigid sapphire]

i do have a few pepper seeds im looking at that google doc i saw linked earlier

yeah that looks right

[proud dove]

400+ Apples in 20 days, lessgo. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11011_CROPS-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-PRPTCrTPRP-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-RTRCrPTRTR-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-RCrRTPTRCrR-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-PTRRPCrPTR

[rigid sapphire]

just gonna try to get everything out tonight after i clear my field

[rigid sapphire]

bought a bit gonna try this

[dusty kayak]

very clever harvest boosting

[slow flame]

What are you using for that layout planning?

[dusty kayak]

Click any of the links posted and you'll go to it

[slow flame]

Oh wow. That's awesome and it looks like they factor in companion plants??

Or am I misinterpreting

[rigid sapphire]

it does

[slow flame]

I'm pumped lol.

[proud dove]

@sharp spire Crops just need to be different to provide buffs to each other, so apples will buff berries and vice versa, however Berries require 2 of the crop to affect it and apples need 3. So an Apple tree can have 4 buffs from crops surrounding it, but only if it has enough room around it to do so.

[sharp spire]

Wait what buff do apples give? I thought they didn’t give buffs 😩

[proud dove]

Apples and Blueberries buff growth speed
Spice berries buff quality.

[sharp spire]

WHAT?

Um SPICE BERRIES?

[proud dove]

Apples and Blueberries are best for each other, since otherwise they take a long time to grow.

[sharp spire]

Or is that what palians call peppers?

[proud dove]

Yeah, after you reach I think Gardening 7 or 8, you can buy Spice Berry seeds from Zeki. (At the very bottom).

And yes.

[sharp spire]

AHA! okay I thought they were a secret crop I didn’t have Wheew

[graceful stirrup]

does knapweeds hv any use?

[sharp spire]

it hints at it in their description but I don’t know that they have a significant use other than selling them and occasionally gifting to a certain palian (I don’t want to spoil it)

I keep like 10-20 in case

[graceful stirrup]

i dont hv rice tho

[sharp spire]

It’s okay wheat works fine 🙂

When you get rice though you can swap them out so you can have some for cooking if you need it 🙂

[graceful stirrup]

yes i figured thanks. im tryna grow cotton to get the preserve jars now

[graceful stirrup]

ok thank u very much

[sharp spire]

Cotton is more lucrative to sell raw than after it’s been in the loom (I have no clue why)

I spent the first 20 levels selling it as cloth thinking it was was more lucrative as linen/cloth (I didn’t look closely but assumed it would be because you know it was now a usable form on cloth) but ALAS.

[dusty kayak]

Also quality cotton cant be quality cloth so thats wasteful lol

[graceful stirrup]

what is that u'r pickling?

[graceful stirrup]

u can put jam in work farms?

[dusty kayak]

You can put anything edible in worm farms xD

But jam and pickled tomato sell better as worms and fert from worm farms

More profit

[graceful stirrup]

is this a website u'r using? cuz yall seem to hv the exact same thing

[proud dove]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[graceful stirrup]

ooh ok thx

[proud dove]

I just turn quality cotton into seeds to sell, and turn regular into fabric for myself (though I've not seen regular quality cotton in ages)

[graceful stirrup]

oh i think this answered my previous question lol

[proud dove]

I've posted all kinds of weird layouts, not just purely for profit, but just to see how they could be planted if one doesn't want the 3x3. XD

[graceful stirrup]

yeah i dont get it

[proud dove]

You either sell the weeds, or keep some of them for Weekly Wants.

[graceful stirrup]

ooh is it chayne?

[graceful stirrup]

ok ill do to... i hv like 144+ rn and dunno what to do with them lol

[sharp spire]

MIND BLOWN. 😩😭 why did I not take that into account 😭😭😭

[proud dove]

There is no other use for them at the moment. Some Palians like them all the time, some only during the Weekly Want.
I usually keep like 10 of something, sell the rest.

[graceful stirrup]

yeah i saw and did some maths

[graceful stirrup]

oh noooo thats annoying

[sharp spire]

|| Chayne and Calerie || I believe 😊

[graceful stirrup]

oh woah

[proud dove]

Time to get silly.

[graceful stirrup]

wait, how do u make jam?

[graceful stirrup]

wdym? sorry i dont get it

[sharp spire]

In the preserve jars 🥰

[graceful stirrup]

thank u!

[graceful stirrup]

oh same thing ok thx

[graceful stirrup]

yeah ive received a weekly want for it once b4

[sharp spire]

Also I was going to post this in the thread about cloth being less than quality cotton but my bad for not seeing cloth can’t be quality. Still my favorite way to say inflation though 😂😩😂

[graceful stirrup]

ook ok thx

[graceful stirrup]

ok thx so much

[dusty kayak]

Apple jam sells for 98 gold regular
Quality apple jam sells for 144

But if you put the jam into the worm farm they turn into worms and fertilizer

Selling the worms and fertilizer for apple jam is worth more gold

Worms and fertilizer made from regular appla jam is 120 gold, better then 96 gold

Worms and fertilizer made from quality apple jam is 160 gold, better then 144

[graceful stirrup]

woah thx for the effort, lemme read now

[proud dove]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit
Here you go.

[graceful stirrup]

ok thank u

[proud dove]

Track where each crop/product is most profitable.

[graceful stirrup]

hvnt got apples yet ho

*tho

still on 1 space per plant rn

[proud dove]

Heh. Not quite 5k, but close

[dusty kayak]

You can get an apple seed from ||naio or zeki|| at level 3 friendship

Then you can use the seed maker to make more

The other way is getting to level 10 gardening and earning gardening medals to buy the seed

[proud dove]

Yeah, it's better to get stuff from friendships. I think ||Bardruu or Nai'o gives a ||Blueberry /apple

[dusty kayak]

My alt account got lucky and got one from the zeki gacha machine very early though lol

[dusty kayak]

||naio gives apple badruu gives blueberry||

I once again share my lil doc of layouts from newbie to first apple tree to more leveled
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[graceful stirrup]

ok thank u

[graceful stirrup]

ooh ok thx

[graceful stirrup]

wow

how's this for profit thru preserve jars? (yes, i only hv 4 plots)

[proud dove]

I love the square shape.

[graceful stirrup]

here's a better view

[proud dove]

Ha, weedfree

Swapping out some corn for wheat and you can treat it as cooking supply.

[viscid bison]

i am screwed i just upgraded to copper storage but its already becoming full

[dusty kayak]

At least they lowered the cost of iron but for dragons sake please make sure you dont have hundreds of weed or something lol

Ive never had an issue with having copper so far unless i let something useless add up like weeds

[fleet oasis]

If there is one thing I enjoy about this game. Its, even if I am not in the mood to actively play it, I can always login and do my gardening and log off. Love the gardening in this game, its so soothing in a way.

[loud plume]

Should I sell / pickled star tomatoes or seed star tomatoes?

[proud dove]

I pickle tomatoes to give to Glow Worms when I want Harvest Boost Fertilizer.

[loud plume]

I am new to gardening with only 2 plots. I am trying to understand what to do with my first harvest of tomatoes. Gardening lvl 2.

Just obtained the seed collector. Trying to figure out if I should put the star tomatoes in for seeds or just normal ones would do

[viscid bison]

i think its mostly all the mining and chopping

mining seem the most active profitable thing since i r new

i haz so much irons

[pseudo tendon]

Cakes?

[viscid bison]

i haz nothing

just loads of ores and wood

and rocks

lol

[young oar]

For me it's always flint that adds up when I'm not looking

[graceful stirrup]

lol, mine was

is it worth putting star quality tomatoes in the preserve jar?

like do i get star quality pickled tomatoes?

[loud plume]

I had the same question. Like putting star tomatoes into seed collector

[graceful stirrup]

oh so does that mean not necessarily if u'r not skilled enough?

[pseudo tendon]

if money is your goal

ohh sorry no tomatoes onlist

[graceful stirrup]

took me a while to understand it, but i got it

sadly i dont hv any of those except for sweat leves

*leaves

[zinc wolf]

Where can I find mushrooms?

[rotund forge]

the drumstick looking thing that is standing on the field is a mushroom.

[zinc wolf]

I can’t seem to find them anywhere. I’ve went around the map multiple times and search my area as well:

[dusty imp]

look in majis and wispering banks

[slow flame]

https://paliapedia.com/gatherable/bp-gatherable-mushroomblue-c

https://paliapedia.com/gatherable/bp-gatherable-mushroomr-c

[loud plume]

Question, how many times can i harvest my tomatoes?
Because I harvested them for the 2nd time and their stalk is still there, and it needs watering

[pseudo aspen]

if im not mistaken i think 3 harvests

[loud plume]

thanks for the info

[crimson helm]

can someone tell me how long the hot paprika stays in plot? because we are not able to "delete" what we put into the earth i like to know how long it might take so i can move my earth xDD

[mental umbra]

you can 'delete' crops by using the right click action with the hoe... careful where you point it though! 😛 (you do not get any seed etc back when deleting though so bare that in mind)

[sullen pulsar]

you can "delete" by right clicking with hoe

[crimson helm]

omg ty so much

y 2 are lifesavers xD !! ♥

[sullen pulsar]

btw, anyone got some decent afk pre-apple designs?

[drifting whale]

Anybody have any links for up-to-date information on the worm and glow worm bins?

[valid plume]

what to to do what extra cotton also sell seed or put it on loom and sell than?

for better prices^^

[ivory aspen]

idk this the best i got
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dusty kayak]

@loud plume @graceful stirrup

Turning quality tomatoes into quality seeds is good because quality seeds have a higher chance of being quality crops so you want to keep up a replant inventory

Quality anything is worth more gold then regular anything

Quality pickled tomatoes are worth more then regular of course

Amd even more momey if you put them in the worm farms and sell what they turn in to

[dusty kayak]

This is THE doc to look at and what i use

[loud plume]

Real appreciate for your info!

[chrome shadow]

Is there a discord section for suggestions for the devs? Was just thinking how cool it would be if the farm at Badruu’s could become a community style garden? Where players can contribute seeds/soil/water each in game week, and at the end depending on how much you helped with you’ll get a small bounty of crops like a real life Farm CSA share

[steel ore]

Hey does someone have layout for every crop? Specifically with only 1 apple tree

[proud dove]

Here's one with two. And one with just one apple tree.

Post lvl 25 and pre-level 25 respectively

[steel ore]

Oh thank you! 😄

Those help a ton!

[proud dove]

You can alter which you want more of when it comes to wheat/corn as well.

[dusty kayak]

they can't read over discord as much so you're best sending a direct form to them

!feedback

[compact coral]

Feedback & Suggestions

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[sick temple]

Can anyone explain/link to an explanation of how fertilizer works? For some of my tiles it disappears after one growth, and for others, it's had the same fertilizer persist for multiple crops now. Am I supposed to put it on every day? Once per crop? How much effect does it have?

[wraith silo]

You can put one type of fertilizer on each plant, from 1 to 99/100 units, and it gets used up one unit per day. If you add a different fertilizer any fertilizer that was already there gets returned

so if you want something to say watered 24 palia days, add 24 doses of water retention fertilizer

each of the plants gives a boost to the surrounding plants, so you could potentially have four different boosts, plus one fertilizer - the challenge is arranging your plants to get the maximum benefits

[sick temple]

Thanks, that's helpful. So the tiles where I put only one fertilizer and it's still there after like 100 days of farming is a glitch then

[wraith silo]

sounds like, but also if the plant is getting the same boost from the neighboring plant, the fertilizer wont get used up

[sick temple]

Oh, could be that too. I wonder

[wraith silo]

press the G key to see what boosts apply to each plant

[sick temple]

It's like yield boost or whatever and I think it's next to Cotton, so that's probably why

[wraith silo]

if you want to remove that fertilizer, drop down a unit of a different fertilizer to get it back, then you can use it on a different plant

[sick temple]

Right, maybe I will at that

[wraith silo]

i like coming up with different planting plans.. it feels a bit like sudoku with plants

[sick temple]

While you're here, do you have any strategies for maximizing gardening XP? Or is it not all that important in the long run?

(I dunno if the levels max at 10 or something)

[wraith silo]

i think it's harvesting that gives the xp.. but gardening is my best skill so I just do a lot of gardening

if you watch the focus bar you can see it drops when you pick something

[sick temple]

I've noticed tilling gives none, but I didn't pay attention to see if watering does anything

Yeah, I was just wondering if certain crops give more per day of growing or something I guess

It feels like gardening levels slow for me but maybe I just need to buy more soil

[wraith silo]

for me it's hunting, fishing and bugs that level slow.. because i'd rather be doing something else!

[sick temple]

I do more bug-catching by reporting game bugs than by capturing insects lol

I need an XP level for that kind of bug-catching

Thanks for the info, Char

[wraith silo]

good luck with the gardening

[dusty kayak]

harvesting and i think pulling weeds gives exp

[dusty kayak]

@silver vine what I do is i have 5 apple trees with harvest boost and full thing 100% water retention
then i put pickled tomatoes and apple jam into worm farms, the fertilizer and worms sell for more
and I seed the potatoes because that's how they sell better too
i tend to have 20k when i wake up and 20k before going to bed

[silver vine]

oh my im playing this game wrong

[dusty kayak]

LOL

look at this doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rigid sapphire]

When do you get access to apple seeds?

[dusty kayak]

you can get ||naio OR zeki to level 3 and the quest completion reward is an apple seed||
otherwise at level 10 gardening you unlock weekly missions that earn medals and you can spend the medals on an apple seed

either way i reccomend starting with one then making seeds from the first trees output so you dont have to worry about getting more

(you can also pull it from zekis gacha but very rare)

[silver vine]

thank youuu

[rigid sapphire]

Ahhh okay i have not gotten any skills to 10 yet im assuming thats how you get the skill coins

[silver vine]

yess

[dusty kayak]

you can get people to level 3 friendship within 3 to 4 days if you gift and talk to them every day (you can gift 1 every IRL day and talk 1 every PALIA day which is 1 hour)
do the weekly want when you can (has to be the same as friendship level so if you're only level 1 friendship you can only give the first weekly want)

[worldly carbon]

It's been like 3 days (real days) that I've been trying to force an all-weed plot, and I'm starting to wonder if there's some type of bug or update that's causing this not to be possible?

I currently have all my other plots empty, and a single 3x3 plot that I've just been planting and harvesting carrots on.

The plot is sitting at 5/9 slots with weeds, and those 4 remaining slots just seemingly... WILL NOT grow weeds. It's been like 8-10 harvests now, not using any fertilizer, but those last 4 weeds are refusing to show up and I'm getting annoyed. 😂

Any tips?

Do weeds show up on crops that are ready to harvest, or do they only show up during the growing stages?

(I've been harvesting and replanting the carrots as they become ripe, but wondering if I even need to bother harvesting them.)

Eventually I'll probably just nix the all-weed thing entirely and go for full crop yields, but gardening isn't my primary focus yet since I'm still fairly early in the game and would like to just not worry about weeding.

[graceful stirrup]

yes i hv been doing exactly that since open beta and thx to u guys for helping me discover how good the worm farms r, i will be converting the pickled stuff to worms and stuff and selling. thank u very much

[shrewd saddle]

whats the most profitable crop farmers

[dusty kayak]

apples probably but some people do "dirty rice" ? lol someone else can explain that one

[gloomy olive]

What happens if you give them a weekly want above your level

[dusty kayak]

if they like the gift already they take it as a normal gift, you don't get the extra friendship points and you dont get renown
they might not usually like it and just give it back to you

[gloomy olive]

Got it also what about if the are maxxed friend is it worth still giving gifts

[dusty kayak]

if you realllly want the extra friend points and you cant do the next want, look up what starstone they will take
https://palia-wiki-gg.webpkgcache.com/doc/-/s/palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Starstones

[dusty kayak]

you still get renown

[gloomy olive]

Ty ^.^

[dusty kayak]

which you should spend, until you run out of things to spend it on

[lament crescent]

I currently have a 6x6 plot and just crafted the worm farm. What should i be putting in the worm farm to maximize profits?

Ok. And i think i read it doesn’t benefit to put starred items in there right?

[pseudo tendon]

Sorry had to delete

Didn't see you said worm farm

Mistook it for preserve jars

[lament crescent]

Ohh gotcha

[pseudo tendon]

For worm farm start with red mushrooms and sweet leaf early game

And meat from hunting

[lament crescent]

Could i use the meet cooking them use the dish in there?

I want to max all the skills eventually

[pseudo tendon]

Yes you can

[lament crescent]

Ok cool

[pseudo tendon]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Worm_Farm

It's really easy

Hunt >>>>cook>>>> worm farm >>>> garden and fish

[lament crescent]

Thanks 😊

[proud dove]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit
This website helps you see which items are useful to put in Worm Farms and Preserve jars and which are better to sell as seeds.