📚｜english-questions

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It depends a little on if your talking about water and air and all, in general, or about specific (the) bacteria, water, air, immune system etc, such as in a lab experiment.

[fierce ivy]

Hello

[boreal ingot]

Oh alright, thank you

[Koib and I had a small conversation](#📚｜english-questions message) where this was mentioned the other day. 'a-coming' and 'a-wandering', etc., they're a remnant of the Old English (and I think Middle English) construction: 'is on [verb]-ing/-ung' . The 'on' merged into the verb and became 'a-', then it was entirely dropped, so now we say 'he is coming'. Yet 'a-coming' and the like are still around in some dialects and when jokingly imitating older speech

[signal shell]

If you wanted to refer to the water and air in some particular region of the world, you might include "the", but for all water and air in general, don't include it.

"I went to Mexico and got sick. I guess my body isn't accustomed to the bacteria in the water and air"

[boreal ingot]

oh yes, I meant it in general, ig I shouln't have used 'the' then :p

thank you

:>

[boreal ingot]

They will have had the car fixed by the time we arrive.
This is correct, right? It means this, yes?
By the time we arrive, 'they' will have already got someone to fix the car

Or, actually, would I need to use 'for [x] amount of time'

Or actually, no, that would be the case with 'will have been having the car fixed'

Is the original correct?

[signal shell]

This is correct

[boreal ingot]

thank you!

[lofty owl]

@earnest summit

[noble wasp]

how do i use "what's more"? same way as "besides"?

[lusty marten]

hello, someone can help me with " do "?

[noble wasp]

can anyone help me w this?

[agile crow]

Yes

[boreal ingot]

I think that should be 'onto' not 'on to' though

[agile crow]

On to is fine

"Onto" usually means going on top of something

[boreal ingot]

well, yea, they're going on top of the first step?

[agile crow]

If you mean getting on top of the first step, then ok

[boreal ingot]

I mean like, wait, are we talking about stair steps? Or like, steps in a process

'onto' would be for stairs and 'on to' would be for steps of a process, I would imagine, right?

[agile crow]

You can get "on top" of a non-physical step in a metaphorical way, I suppose. It's a bit unusual to put it like that, though

But maybe you are going for unusual

It's kind of hard to explain (surpisingly). "Moving on to" or "getting on to" are idioms that don't mean getting on top of something. You get on to a problem, which is like getting to the next problem in a list of problems, while getting onto a problem is like focusing on a problem

[boreal ingot]

oh I was thinking 'onto' is physical movement from a lower position to being above on the surface of something. While 'on to' is movement towards something or non-physical stuff
So something like 'we went on to the hill' would mean 'we moved towards the hill' while 'let's move onto the hill' would mean 'let's move from our position and get on top of the hill'

idk how accurate this is tbh, so I'd like to know what you think

my interpretation of 'let's get onto the first step' would be 'let's move from our lower position to be standing on the first step (of a staircase)' while 'let's get on to the first step' would be 'let's metaphorically move to the first step of the process and focus on it'

[agile crow]

Yeah, "get on to" or "move on to" are idioms that imply there is a list. First we went to the hill. Then we moved on to the next hill. Then we moved onto that hill.

[boreal ingot]

makes sense, thank you

my question was about the last 'the' :p

It's been answered by Ross and RedSunBlues tho

[sleek charm]

hey

[boreal ingot]

cool lol. The question was answered not sure what you want

[sleek charm]

my question is what is the first amendment?

[flat rune]

difference between realm and kingdom

[agile crow]

A realm is a country that is not necessarily a kingdom

Or, I should say, it could mean a region, or an area of expertise or something

[flat rune]

ty

[cloud badge]

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution gives citizens the freedom of speech, religion, the press, the right to assemble, and the right to petition the government.

[acoustic geyser]

Helo

How should I shorten this relative clause?
She is the girl who is a student of this school

Can I shorten like this?
She is the girl being a student of this school

[fierce ivy]

Hello

Is any of the women willing to chat with me?

[opaque topaz]

I just want to add that you don’t have to be a citizen to enjoy the privileges of the First Amendment

I am assuming ur also asking bc of the TikTok, Inc. v. Garland case

Where the whole question is on the First Amendment,

Here is a good website which does a good job of summarising it: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2024/24-656

This is the actual file for the case: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-656_ca7d.pdf. The first amendment is mentioned a lot in the per curiam (the part until u get to the opinions of the other justices)

[gaunt mango]

“She’s a girl who’s a student of the school”

Works best in context when both people are talking or relative to the school (which negates the use of “this” before “school”)

Though you could simplify it by saying “she’s a student of the school” because unless it is absolutely pertinent then you don’t need to state that she is a girl, as most people would gather that from the pronoun

[opaque topaz]

Bruh 💀

😭

I should check

I’m pretty sure certain non-US citizens do

I couldn’t find any SCOTUS case specifically but I’ll keep looking

Ig there’s this: https://journals.law.harvard.edu/crcl/wp-content/uploads/sites/80/2015/07/The-First-Amendment-after-Reno-v.-American-Arab-Anti-Discrimination-Committee-A-Different-Bill-of-Rights-for-Aliens.pdf

Bruh it’s not letting me copy and paste

I think in the constitution itself it doesnt mention anything abt needing to be a citizen

“Anyone who is in the United States legally—regardless of citizenship status—has a basic right to freedom of speech.” (https://legal-info.lawyers.com/criminal/do-immigrants-have-free-speech-rights.html#:~:text=Anyone who is in the,rights without fear of deportation.)

Doubt it

I’m not a law student or anything but Even if it is I’m

pretty sure the pre-established Supreme Court precedent

Would overrule it unless it’s been argued at the Supreme Court lvl

theyre lawyers

They argue the case for the government

if they are right then whatever Court it was fought in would overrule it I think

I’m not sure if what u sent was argued or not

If it was a district court it still wouldn’t overrule the Supreme Courtruling I think

Whats the case?

Oh who won

Ty

Oh whar

Thats just a civil rights thingy or am I just blind

What did the court say?

Thats the Reuters thingy

Right

That actual lawyers use

wait-

R u a lawyer?

Or like a law student

See I’m not sure abt this but I’m

Like 99% sure that

Non US citizens

R protected by the first amendment too

Maybe not illegal immigrants though I’m not sure

[distant hazel]

I'm glad to see you're concerned about respect.

[rapid ingot]

guys

is it ok if i ask a question releated to p word?

[verbal heron]

p word?

[rapid ingot]

ywah

[verbal heron]

what's that

[rapid ingot]

It means cat

[verbal heron]

Well got it

[boreal ingot]

What about it? If it's an English question it's probably fine

[rapid ingot]

can i say dont be a p- word to a girl?

i mean not to be afraid or sth

if no what are some synomns instead

[verbal heron]

That is more likely to depend on how the girl receives it

Is she a particular girl to whom you want to write that phrase, or you want to use that to any girl in general?

[rapid ingot]

she's my friend

[verbal heron]

online or offline?

[rapid ingot]

online

but how about irl

like does it really matter

[verbal heron]

Then it's better not to use such terms that might be recognised as expletive or vile

[rapid ingot]

what can i say instead

[verbal heron]

Yes, it does. If you know the person irl, you will know more about them

[verbal heron]

Don't be afraid. If you want to assure that she will be safe

Or she will not be harmed

[verbal heron]

btw in which context do you want to use it?

[rapid ingot]

Wdym

[verbal heron]

Do you want to console them somehow?

[gaunt mango]

if you're close friends with someone, telling them "don't be a p----" is generally fine, as long as you know that they will likely take it as a joke (even if they don't, you can always apologize)
if it's someone you aren't very close with, i personally would refrain from saying that.

[flat rune]

what is the difference between mislead and deceive

[boreal ingot]

it's rude but it's not really gender based. 'don't be a pu-' just means 'stop being so cowardly'

it's pretty rude though, but it's used among friends

[rapid ingot]

thanks

[rapid ingot]

Thanks for sharing that Scella

[verbal heron]

Stop behaving like a coward could also do

[noble wasp]

helloo. are "to envision" and "to expect" interchangeable?

[gaunt mango]

in some cases yeah

"i envisioned he would try and scam me after seeing his many spelling mistakes"

"i expected he would try and scam me after seeing his many spelling mistakes"

"to envision" is more so to imagine a possibility or a future, and have it visualized in your mind

while "to expect" is your primary expectation of a situation

"I envisioned multiple outcomes, 14 million of them in fact, but only in 1 of them do I expect us to win"

(not interchangeable here, notice)

[gaunt mango]

they are very similar but it's their intent that usually separates them

usually when you talk about deceiving someone, it is done intentionally and with malice

while misleading isn't always intentional or malicious

also you can kind of think of how they are executed

[noble wasp]

isnt it the same as "to imagine" then?

[gaunt mango]

deceiving someone often comes by someone lying about facts or summations to give someone the wrong idea

while misleading could be the person making their own conclusion based on evidence they were or were not given

so like you could mislead someone into thinking a TV is a really good buy because of it's cheap price, but you left out the fact that the tv was used and will probably break down

or you could deceive them entirely and sell them an old used tv in a brand new tv box

[gaunt mango]

imagining doesn't necessarily have to do with outcomes or possibilities

i could imagine that the moon will explode after i throw a piece of sand at it but it isn't really an expected outcome

especially if you don't plan to throw sand at the moon

(sorry if it's a little unclear but my point here is that you can imagine whatever you would like, impossible or not, but it doesn't have to do with outcome or possibility so you wouldn't really call it envisioning)

[noble wasp]

thank you

[noble wasp]

may i ask what's the function of "so" here? or is "more so" an expression"?

[noble wasp]

and i'd like to understand why you used "do" here as well if it's okay to ask

[gaunt mango]

“More so” emphasizes a stronger comparison

“She likes the beach, but he loves it more so”

[gaunt mango]

I used “do” in that sentence for a similar reason

It gives emphasis to the expectation of winning

They’re called auxiliary verbs

The sentence works fine without it but it gives more to the expression if I use “do”

[noble wasp]

makes sense

thanks for explaining!

[boreal ingot]

'moreso' vs 'more so' always giving me trouble :p

[gaunt mango]

I almost wrote “moreso” when writing it the first time but autocorrect said it was wrong

I believe they are the exact same but “moreso” is just far less common

People probably use moreso because it’s similar to the more commonly used moreover

[gaunt mango]

Also I think “gives” works better than “giving” here

[boreal ingot]

oh yea I agree

I was thinking something like

using the -ing form to indicate a bit of habitualness, ig?

She always giving me trouble
type of thing. Is that not a thing informally? Or is it only done with pronouns?

Ig it's with an elided 'is'

[boreal ingot]

I feel Ive seen 'is/are' elided in ssuch constructions before, but I'd like to know what you think

[gaunt mango]

I don’t think it works because it doesn’t use a finite verb, and therefore isn’t a complete construction. It also just sounds unnatural to me

When you saying “giving” with “is”
it’s more present, and suggests it’s ongoing or a repeated present action

When you say “gives” (without is of course) it’s more of a statement about a habit

[boreal ingot]

alrighty thank you :>

[signal shell]

Hey scella, this is a bit off topic, but I was wondering if I could pick your brain for something I'm working on. Do you think you'd have time tomorrow to discuss with me? I'd appreciate your input

[flat rune]

ty

[noble wasp]

i heard this sentence in a video: "i've been dealing this for about 1 month [talking about an ipod]". so in this context "deal" can be used as "use"?

[agile crow]

Is it supposed to be "dealing with this"?

"Dealing with" something usually means you had a problem and found a way around it, or fixed it.

Or it could mean there is a consistent problem that never gets solved. Looks like we're all going to have to deal with four more years of Trump.

[noble wasp]

the person didn't say "with", just "dealing this"

[agile crow]

That doesn't make sense.

[noble wasp]

hmmm, so no way to use this verb the same as "use"?

like in that example

[agile crow]

Not that I can think of. You deal cards, or deal with problems. Maybe if you own a car dealership, you could say you deal cars, but that is very unusual.

[noble wasp]

ohh, ive just checked it again and he said it twice. in the first time the subtitles showed "dailing", and in the second time they showed "dealing" for the same word. does it make sense with "dailing" then?

[agile crow]

There's also dealing in things. Fred, a commodities broker, deals in orange juice futures.

Dailing still doesn't make sense. Could be obscure slang

[noble wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FYGD8EYjpY

minute 11:24

thats kinda funny, seems like he created an expression or smth then lol

thank u guys

[sly pier]

No idea what he’s saying, if that’s any consolation, lol.

[round jungle]

I only listened to a little bit, but they sound to me like they could be native. My guess is that it's a dialect or slang usage. I could see it maybe even be a regional pronunciation of "doing", but I'm not familiar with either "dealing" or "doing" in this context, so idk

[agile crow]

Maybe he's using daily as a verb. Dailying the ipod = listening to it daily. Maybe this is trendy new lingo that I'm not cool enough to be aware of.

[coral field]

Hi

[merry mulch]

Hi

How can I do the English questions?

[coral field]

Yeah

Explain this for us

[merry mulch]

I really don't now

[coral field]

Kkkkkk

[merry mulch]

let's ask others

[noble wasp]

oh yea i think thats it then, makes sense in the context

thank u for helping 🙏

[flat rune]

I've got my literature exam tomorrow can someone help me out with a few questions, please!!!

[flat rune]

Q1)Compare the character of Mark Antony in the beginning of the play to the ending of the play.

Q2)Who is more patriotic Brutus or Caesar?Justify your answer.

Q3)How did Brutus and Caesar display their patriotism?

[gaunt mango]

I would say this is better fit for a shakespeare club rather than an english learning server

also, we aren't supposed to help with homework/exams etc

[flat rune]

Oh alright

[flat rune]

Just to be clear my exam is tmrw and these are just my doubts, I'm not dying to cheat or anything lol

[gaunt mango]

yeah i get that. im just saying that we are not allowed to help

questions should be leaning towards more the technical aspects of english grammar and usage

like if you were unsure of the definition and use of patriotic or patriotism that would be better fit

[flat rune]

Okeyy btw thanks for clearing it up

[gaunt mango]

@coral field
If you guys have any questions about grammar, words, usage or anything that has to do with the technical aspects of English, then you can ask them here. People are very friendly and love to help with anything.

if you want a more detailed explanation, I recommend checking out the pinned messages of this channel.

[pulsar lintel]

Hi, I'm Maria and I'm looking for a partner to learn English or Spanish with (I'm a native speaker), send me a private message if you want! 🙂

[drifting fog]

Let’s practice, I’m from Mexico City so I wannna learn English and improve my listening 👂

[vast walrus]

Does anyone need english help

[vast walrus]

Yep you can say that, It's not offensive

[verbal heron]

Hope they didn't mean delaying

[vast walrus]

Dang I really know what that guy was saying cos i can't figure it out

[gaunt mango]

It really does just sound like he is saying “dailying” as if he were using daily as the verb “to use daily”

A lot of natives do stuff like this to create words that sound like they make sense (and makes sense to others) but doesn’t technically exist yet

Words like “unfriend” and “bingeable” are like this
They follow English grammar rules and make sense to most natives, yet they aren’t recognized as words
(Although ‘unfriend’ was officially recognized after the rise of social media due to the act of unfriending someone becoming a lot more popular in terms of word usage)

[agile crow]

Thank you for discording us your interesting take on it.

[round jungle]

I listened to it again and it does sound like "dailying" to me, too

Haven't heard that before, but it makes sense given the context

[verbal heron]

I think they would mean “dealing”

[boreal ingot]

Hii, yea I don't mind! If you'd like to ask me anything feel free to do so, though I don't know if I can be of much help 😅 I'll do what I can

[boreal ingot]

Couldn't it mean sell here?

[boreal ingot]

Actually after watching the clip, I don't think 'sell' would make sense :p

[boreal ingot]

I mean, does 'dailying' follow English grammar rules? I don't think you add '-ing' to any non-verbs, and 'daily' is an adjective. For 'unfriend', that follows the rules since 'un-' is added to the verb 'to friend' (like in 'undo' and 'unsee'), and 'bingeable' follows the rules since '-able' is added to the verb 'to binge' (like in 'doable' and 'playable'). This is not to say 'dailying' doesn't make sense, because it 100% does and it would fit the context in the vid; I'm just wondering if it's actually grammar abiding

[quartz widget]

Hmm.

[sly pier]

Might be a cultural thing as I’ve never heard it in my life, and I’d raise an eyebrow if someone said it. It doesn’t sound native at all to me.

I believe you, it’s just that I’ve never heard it before and I think a lot of native speakers wouldn’t have. It’s not in any dictionary (including slang dictionaries) and there’s no definition online.

It seems to be used in the context of cars as well.

Not sure what the need for the insult was, but okay.

No other native in this chat had heard of it before.

[boreal ingot]

I was able to find this

But it's only about cars apparently

[flat rune]

What is the difference between those : Let's get ready to go to school before Mom wakes up. Let's prepare to go to school before mom wakes up.

[somber tendon]

Hi, can I ask here for some help?

[past temple]

yeah sure

[flat rune]

.

[signal shell]

Hey thanks. When I said "tomorrow", I actually meant Monday. My head is spinning.

[boreal ingot]

Lol, that's alright :p

[flat rune]

they're interchangeable

[past temple]

there's no difference?? it's just depends on the context

[somber tendon]

So I'm making a web site for my bf for valentines day and I'm Italian and he is English, I'm trying to write in English but idk if it's right or wrong. Can you tell me if there are some errors? This is what i wrote:
"Hi my Love,
I hope you'll like this gift I made for you.
I worked really hard on it, spent hours and days to make it. I've thought so much what would be the most beautiful gift to give you for this important day.
I wanted to draw something cute, but my drawing skills aren't great and the same for video editing (spoiler: there will be some videos). I also wanted to make some gifts and try to send them but I don't have the opportunity to do that.
So I thought I can use my IT skills to make this cute web site for you. I made it with all my love. I love you with all my heart." (I'm trying my best 🥲)

[past temple]

you can say anyone of them in regular

[flat rune]

Same thing

[past temple]

Im not a gaming guy, but I think that's the same thing

[flat rune]

np

[somber tendon]

So can someone tell me if it's right or not? 👀

[flat rune]

i thought i could

not i thought i can

website

not web site

[flat rune]

all of my love

[sly pier]

You don’t need a capital for “Love”.

Pet names/terms of endearment don’t usually have capitals.

My dear, honey, etc.

“website” is one word.

[flat rune]

not all my love

same for all my heart

[sly pier]

It’s fine in my opinion.

[somber tendon]

oky doky, thank you

[flat rune]

I searched it up and for some reason

it's correct

Though we can't say all them

we say all of them

[signal shell]

Okay good. Is it alright if I DM you tomorrow then?

[boreal ingot]

Yea that's alright. But I have to say that idk if I can be of any help

[signal shell]

I think "elimination" is just a less graphic way to describe "kill"

[flat rune]

same thing

[sly pier]

No, they’re not.

[flat rune]

For games we'd say accuracy

I shot him with a good accuracy

[signal shell]

That is a topic I've gone into so many times with my students back in Texas. I got this...

That really does explain it

[signal shell]

Sort of

[sly pier]

Wrong one, sorry lol.

[signal shell]

This is better lol

I used a very similar picture in my classes

Looks like I don't got this. I was too slow

[sly pier]

It’s pretty common in science classes as students use them interchangeably, but they’re not the same (common mistake)

[flat rune]

i don't got this

[signal shell]

Yeah I know it's not grammatically correct

[flat rune]

Don't make those mistakes

[signal shell]

That sounds scientifically accurate, yes

[flat rune]

Otherwise beginners will follow your mistakes

By thinking it's correct because you're a native

[boreal ingot]

I think 'eliminate [x]' would be equivalent to 'make [x] a non-issue', which doesn't necessarily have to be through killing but could be.

By pushing contestant 17 off the platform, 12 has eliminated them!

[signal shell]

I believe most games like this just divide number of hits by number of shots taken

[signal shell]

Right "elimination" generally means this. Just that in this particular instance, we are talking about a "kill"

Well MAE attempts to measure how much error there is on average, while this accuracy in the game is literally just measuring how often the shot was within a particular limit or radius of the target (aka, close enough to be considered in the hot box)

[boreal ingot]

This feels less like English questions and more like statistics questions actually I don't even know if this counts as statistics

[acoustic geyser]

Why isn't it from?

[verbal heron]

Can the process of boiling of honey serve as a good metaphor (with the understanding that honey remains pure and eatable until it is boiled)? I am not sure if it will be misconstrued

[boreal ingot]

Two women, one white and one colored, are taking the air on the steps of the building. The white woman is Eunice, who occupies the upstairs flat; the colored woman a neighbor, for New Orleans is a cosmopolitan city where there is a relatively warm and easy intermingling of races in the old part of town.

How common is it for people of colour to be refered to as 'coloured'? Is it offensive?

Further, does 'person of colour' only refer to black people? Or would it also refer to Asians, Arabs and others?

[crimson vortex]

Hello, guys. It's not quite english related question, but I wonder where I can apply my english knowledge. I consume a lot of english content, but, the thing is, I don't "produce" it. I neither speak nor write in it on the Internet, apart from this channel. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can practice writing in English online?

[verbal heron]

Really?

Calling one coloured is better than black tho

[verbal heron]

Try to write poems, start with short ones first

[boreal ingot]

I think it's racist cuz it implies 'white' is the most basic form of being, the most 'normal'

[boreal ingot]

thas why I personally also say 'black person' over 'person of colour', but thas just me

Good to know, thank you

The play is from 1947

[verbal heron]

Still far better than referring to someone as black directly

[boreal ingot]

Could you naswer the other part of my question please?

Further, does 'person of colour' only refer to black people? Or would it also refer to Asians, Arabs and others?

[boreal ingot]

nothing wrong with saying someone is black lol

[verbal heron]

🤧

lol

[boreal ingot]

Yea, I guess I'll keep avoiding the term 'of colour'. Thanks for answering my questions

Understood. I hadn't heard of 'coloured' before; it seems to be rare even as a pejorative term nowadays

[signal shell]

There would be a problem using this formula for this purpose in Fortnite. The "actual value" that i imagine you want to use is 0 meters. Imagine using 0 in this formula.

I thought I hit the reply button lol

[boreal ingot]

that was like 3 hours ago lol

[signal shell]

I was busy

[boreal ingot]

I just found it funny that it wasn't sent as a reply

[signal shell]

@median fractal this is for you regarding your MAPE question

[boreal ingot]

Are there other words like 'soup' where 'ou' is pronounced as /uː/?

I mean, I'm sure there are, but I suck at spelling so I can't really think of any

[vast walrus]

you xd

[visual umbra]

For instance, route /ruːt/, at least, in British English. In AmE, you may hear /raut/.

[boreal ingot]

Oh lol, thank you two!

[signal shell]

Yeah I guess there's a way to restrict the variables to ones and zeros and it reduces down to the simple formula of (hits)/(shots fired). Which validates the usage of the term "accuracy" to describe the metric. But I think it overcomplicates the explanation by saying Fortnite uses this formula.

But not wrong

[boreal ingot]

This is such smart stuff iss confusing lol

[vast walrus]

This isn't even english they are just showing off

pointless discussion

[boreal ingot]

yea

What's a '301' paper?

[gaunt mango]

Me when I discuss statistics in an English learning server

[vast walrus]

i would say they are mostly the same, but "not from this world" makes it sound like you were literally born on another planet, whereas "not of this world" is more subtle, making it sound like your purpose on earth is more spiritual

[boreal ingot]

At what point does a 'What does [x] mean?' type of question stop being an English question? Becuase this started as 'What does "accuracy" mean?' basically

[gaunt mango]

It stops being English questions when you aren’t discussing the most general definition of accuracy

You can use statistic accuracy as an example but beyond that I don’t think it has any relation to English

[boreal ingot]

I see, yeah that makes sense

thanks

[verbal heron]

Same case with the word “solution”

[boreal ingot]

Does 'world' mean 'Planet' to you? I understand it more as 'this entire universe'. Idk if that's accurate

[vast walrus]

To me world means earth yeah

But I can also see it being used for universe

[boreal ingot]

Or at least this entire universe on the corporeal level, as a ghost would also be 'of another world', even if they're from this universe

[verbal heron]

That's plausible, given that it was from an anime

[boreal ingot]

Or maybe not, a bit confusing

[gaunt mango]

No, this is the use the channels for their intended use perspective because people have actual questions and filling up the channel with your clatter is annoying

[boreal ingot]

Speaking of questions, this one from Vampire has been burried ^

[gaunt mango]

Here is my evidence^
🤣

[verbal heron]

yea lmao

[gaunt mango]

To answer your question, I don’t think it makes a good metaphor

Not that it’s completely unknown, but the fact that honey remains pure and edible until boiled isn’t common knowledge

[vast walrus]

I have never really heard of boiling honey before

[verbal heron]

Is it because the word “honey” is used totally in a different sense in this century?

[gaunt mango]

When I hear the word honey I think of the syrupy goo that bees make

[verbal heron]

yea, that's the object I want to refer to by “honey”

[boreal ingot]

We're talking abt a different honey?

[verbal heron]

At least it's a saying

[boreal ingot]

I can see it being used for a metaphor by a chemistry-obsessed character or smth

But idk about if it would be understood by everyone

[gaunt mango]

If you google “honey boiling” there are a lot of threads of people asking what happens if you do boil honey

[boreal ingot]

Doubt

[verbal heron]

And so many metaphors are built on the notions of the existing sayings and idioms

[gaunt mango]

Correct, it’s just that most people don’t know that honey isn’t good boiled

[vast walrus]

It's not really a saying i've come across before so I think most people would be confused

[gaunt mango]

I would be too

[boreal ingot]

I've never thought about boiling honey lol

[gaunt mango]

“Man that stayed like boiled honey”

[verbal heron]

Actually I learnt that from my mom

[boreal ingot]

nom

[verbal heron]

Ah

[boreal ingot]

hehe

[gaunt mango]

As an English saying or as a saying in your native language?

A lot of idiomatic sentences don’t translate well

[verbal heron]

Not as an English saying

[gaunt mango]

A very common English example is that it’s “raining cats and dogs”

A lot of English speakers would understand its meaning

But if you put it in a translator to someone who didn’t speak English, they likely wouldn’t understand what it means

[verbal heron]

But it has a different connotation i suppose

[gaunt mango]

Wdym by that

[boreal ingot]

Vampire you lied to me 😔

[verbal heron]

What?

[boreal ingot]

'They're like two droplets of water' is something I've heard a Polish speaker say in English to mean 'They're Indistinguishable'

I found that really cool

[gaunt mango]

Great example

[verbal heron]

It would not give me what I wanted

[vast walrus]

I'm trying to think of an equivalent metaphor to boiling honey, the only thing i can think of is boiling vegetables too much so they go mushy and lose nutritional value

[gaunt mango]

That wasn’t my complaint at all

My complaint is that you guys are filling up the channel

Mmm I see

[verbal heron]

We often boil food so that they can be eaten later. But one day my mother told me to eat mou (honey) from a pot. Since it was brought a few years ago, I thought it would have been spoilt by then. So I asked mom whether we had to boil it. Then she replied that we do not boil honey. Boiled honey is said to be poisonous

[gaunt mango]

ATP it’s just different definitions of the same word (accuracy, solution)

Again that’s not what I said

Show me where I said “science words are too hard for ordinary people”

Or even implied it

Because I completely disagree with that statement all together

Yeah and you mistook it for something else

Now you got it

And that’s all that point was

I wasn’t implying science words are too difficult

Now I would appreciate you stop building my points and putting words in my mouth

[boreal ingot]

You said honey goes bad when boiled; Riidefi said that that may not be the case; I jokingly said, 'Vampire lied to me' in faux betrayal and disbelief lol

[gaunt mango]

You’re completely missing the point

And also that’s not what I said

Ok so, you’re gonna keep ranting about something I didn’t say

You done?

[vast walrus]

Ima go boil some honey, bye guys

[gaunt mango]

Let me put it in perspective for you, ‘chief’

A new English learner walks into the English questions server

They ask a question

And it gets completely drowned out by two people talking about statistics

I’m not done

I would tell you but you keep interjecting

[boreal ingot]

byebye have fun dont die

[gaunt mango]

Right here

No where in time did I imply or say that the average person has no need for scientific words

I didn’t say that either

You’re quoting it as if I said that exact sentence but I didn’t

I take issue with you filling up the channel with unrelated shit

You were talking about statistics

Not English

[verbal heron]

I'm too dumb to get jokes in English, sorry for that

[gaunt mango]

Can someone learn science words from talking about statistics?

Sure they could

Because you literally did though

You are actively telling me I said something I didn’t

And then intentionally changing my point

It sounds like you’re butt hurt that I told you to shut up

Because the difference isn’t the point

You’re telling me that I said science words bad

But I didn’t

Right cause you didn’t start this outta nowhere

lmao

Really cause it looked more like a discussion about statistics

That’s not in question here

You’re expecting a response as if this is a question I should be answering

[vast walrus]

Im back from boiling honey

[gaunt mango]

I help people with English not their statistics

[boreal ingot]

I think the point is that statistics isn't linguistics and English and so has no place in #📚｜english-questions tbh, not really anything about whether the layperson needs to know scientific definitions of words

[gaunt mango]

I don’t know if you are new here man but we have channels for this, #1198318349868863529

[vast walrus]

riidefi is such a troll xd

[gaunt mango]

right but how is that gonna help joe shmoe about his question "what is the definition of accuracy and how do i use it in a sentence"

"well you see, in my statistical model we can define accuracy as the blah blah blah"

is that my quote or yours

then be happy because you being here still clogs up the channel

please do

and next time you want to discuss statistics do it in #1198318349868863529

or if we have a statistics channel i didn't see, there too

uh huh sure

you done yet?

you're still clogging up the channel and proving my point

im not

im just waiting until you're done pushing this

if it has anything to do with asking questions about learning english, i would be happy to

at least in this channel, which is the only channel i care to visit here

[flat rune]

You're still arguing 😭

[verbal heron]

#📝｜proofreading

[flat rune]

i saw the old messages

sorry

[gaunt mango]

LOL

im still gonna provide my feedback but that's funny

[verbal heron]

you're just wasting your time, better read some book than doing that

[gaunt mango]

you can make your explanations of transformations more concise by putting them into bullet points
ex:
*skew: ....
*perspective: ...

When a material references textures (those references, "samplers"), a transformation matrix is computed, allowing mesh UV coordinates to be manipulated per-material.
(consider breaking this sentence into 2 to be a little more concise)

consider replacing "not just SRT" with "and not merely SRT"

consider talking about what an 'effect matrix' includes

[flat rune]

I just came

[verbal heron]

That's more like editing, no?

[gaunt mango]

but you asked for proofreading right?

[verbal heron]

👍

[gaunt mango]

if you want topic-specific help then I don't think #📚｜english-questions is the best place for you

[vast walrus]

Sounds like a load of gobbledygook to me

[gaunt mango]

it's a little stronger in comparison to 'not just' and i personally think it phrases better

oh i thought my name was terrible person

[boreal ingot]

This is unrelated to Riidefi's proofreading; I just have a question about a sentence she wrote (treat it as a random example from somewhere online).

Model files do not directly expose this texture matrix, however, instead just providing artists with controls for "scale", "rotation" and "translation" (SRT).

Should 'providing' be 'provide'? It seems to me like that should be teh case and a 'they' should be added as the subject of the second part, but I'm not sure

[flat rune]

Of is missing

after instead

[boreal ingot]

I would say a comma is missing

[gaunt mango]

'providing' sounds right to me

[boreal ingot]

but that's likely an optional comma

[flat rune]

same

Just instead without of is weird

[boreal ingot]

if we get rid of the stuff between, does this sound fine?

Model files just providing artists with controls for "scale", "rotation" and "translation" (SRT).

[flat rune]

provide

[gaunt mango]

yeah here provide would be better

but it doesn't include as much emphasis that the author was originally going for

and yeah, it doesn't contain the necessary english to be a full sentence

'do not expose' is the subject here, making it a full sentence

oopsie!

it becomes a sentence due to the clauses being combined (instead)

not solely because, but it's providing structure

my mistake!

[boreal ingot]

Would it work though? Typically I'd expect the adverbial to mean 'while [x] is the case'. For example,

The people ran aroudn the town, killing one another.
I haven't before seen stuff like
The people didn't follow the law, instead killing one another.
I'd think 'killing one another what?', ccuz I'm expectning another verb
The people didn't follow the law, instead killing one another is what they did.

[flat rune]

Of is missing

Instead of

[boreal ingot]

That does sound fine, yeah

[verbal heron]

instead killed one another makes sense

[flat rune]

Why did u remove of?

[verbal heron]

Look up the word instead first

[gaunt mango]

'instead of' creates comparison, 'instead' creates substitution

"He originally wanted to go skiing, instead he went snowboarding" (skiing substitutes snowboarding)

[boreal ingot]

I am not sure. That's why I'm asking to be honest, to understand how the sentence works

[gaunt mango]

"Instead of getting the gold fish like he originally intended, he got the red fish because of it's beautiful scales"

[boreal ingot]

With 'instead of' means something different to what 'instead' on its own means

[gaunt mango]

thank you for your irrelevant comment

[flat rune]

ty

[flat rune]

ty

[verbal heron]

use it @flat rune in a sentence yourself

now

[boreal ingot]

I see, TIL, thanks

[gaunt mango]

[flat rune]

At the beginning, i wanted to go to the beach, but instead i went to the mountain.

[gaunt mango]

do you want it to be a real paragraph?

then it's fine

unless of course you're looking for help with OBS in which I can't help you there

[boreal ingot]

I think that should be 'being raised by the OBS application', maybe?

[gaunt mango]

it would be "in"

because the exception is defining something occuring inside of the program OBS

[boreal ingot]

I mean, if OBS is rasing an exception, then the exception is being raised by it, that's passive voice, no?

[gaunt mango]

you could technically say "A crash dialog raised by OBS"

[flat rune]

correct or incorrect?

[gaunt mango]

capitalize "i's" when you use them on their own

[boreal ingot]

I see, ig that makes sense :p

Would you all say 'progeny' is strictly a biological term? I,e., your adoptive son is not one of your progeny

[gaunt mango]

i don't think its strictly limited to biology

you could call your adoptive son your progeny

it's not strictly biological

but it's just used a lot more in biology

[flat rune]

ty

[boreal ingot]

Hm, so generaly it's used for any decendants, while formally it's only biological?

[gaunt mango]

not necessarily

formally yeah, it's used to define biological offspring

but again, it's used mostly in biology

not casual english

[boreal ingot]

A while back I wrote this sentence

Though not one of her progeny, my mother loved me dearly

And I have two concerns about it, (1) that if 'progeny' isn't only biological, then the sentence is self-contradictory, and (2) that the reduced adverbial at the start applies to 'mother', not 'me'

[gaunt mango]

progeny still defines a descendent in a broader sense, so it's not self contradicting

[pulsar lintel]

Hi guys, it's Maria (again) and i write that for know if one of u wanna learn spanish with me 'cause i wanna learn english , we can learn our languages together

[boreal ingot]

Well that's hard to test for

[gaunt mango]

yeah, the sentence could be misread because of the proximity of the adverbial phrase to 'mother'
Though I was not one of her progeny, my mother loved me dearly.
works better^

[boreal ingot]

Idk how to find relevant papers :p

[boreal ingot]

Oh alright, thank you

[gaunt mango]

in a broad sense, yes

[boreal ingot]

Oh, then that means that, at least in an academic context, it is only-biological, yes?

I'll use it like that ig

It's not like I'll use it often

[gaunt mango]

i think it can be argued that progeny isn't a part of casual english vocabulary

though it is one of those words that are good to learn just cause

[boreal ingot]

Yeah, I've seen it like once lol. I don't read biology stuff so I'm surprised I ever got to see it

[gaunt mango]

here is one i found on google
https://www.animalsandsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/parry.pdf
appetites considered unseemly by the adoptive progeny of Oryx

[boreal ingot]

oh, ig that makes my original sentence self-contradictory. Since 'progeny' is just generally 'one's decendants/children' :p

[gaunt mango]

not really

your sentence isn't self-contradictory because even still, in a broad sense it just refers to descendents

adoptive counting in that

[boreal ingot]

scare? scarce? Can 'scare' mean the smae thing as 'scarce'? or just a typo? /genq

[gaunt mango]

probably a typo

[boreal ingot]

understood

Anyways, thank you both a lot :)

[verbal heron]

atm I feel like I should advertise

[boreal ingot]

maybe you have smoothing set really high

Even with smothing at 0 iss still a flat line lol

Idk history, why is that amusing

[gaunt mango]

the most interesting thing i could find about 1840 is yeah, new zealand being born

[verbal heron]

Why do you find that the most interesting?

Are you from Oceania?

[gaunt mango]

cause not much else really happened

unless you are a huge fan of postage stamps

i guess also if you care about corn taxes, the UK had the 'anti corn law league' formed

[gaunt mango]

did the US have corn taxes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_nut
...

i was just curious whether the US had a corn tax in the first place

i know that the us subsidizes corn farmers but i didn't know whether they had taxes on it in the first place

on the same page, i wonder if the UK now subsidizes corn farmers

the word corn is not found on this page

i think i remember learning about that in school

i don't think it was american though

[verbal heron]

Is it alright to use “amis” this way?

[verbal heron]

I have never seen it used like that

It’s an old novel tbh

[gaunt mango]

"at all amiss" is older enlgish

it just means "wrong" or "out of place" essentially

for this sentence specifically the author is saying that miss bennet wouldn't play wrong if she practiced more

[verbal heron]

“Amiss” is still used, but the way it was used in the sentence made me think if this is a proper way to phrase it in this century

🤧

eff u

👍

[verbal heron]

who th likes people from 1700s 🤧

[gaunt mango]

it isn't a valid english dictionary word but i have seen it used before, interesting

[boreal ingot]

I'be not seen it before

I've only seen assurance

[gaunt mango]

yeah apparently it's more commonly used when people are talking about social media

[cloud badge]

Seems like they were guessing at the word to say and just couldn't think of assurance.

[signal shell]

Apparently, it's a word used in the Caribbean dialect. It means assurance, basically

I think he was just making up that word on the spot. Probably couldn't think of the other word in the moment and improvised

As long as people can understand, I don't complain about it. I just give a chuckle.

[cloud badge]

Yeah exactly haha. You can add -ity to a lot of things so it still make sense, just a lil odd

[flat rune]

do you all think that using subtitles is good?

[gaunt mango]

for learning it's really great

[vast walrus]

I still use subtitles and im a native english speaker although that's cos my tv doesn't transmit sound very well

[wintry falcon]

yes

[lucid cairn]

hi everyone..
I have a question..
What is the different between I am at a sandwich shop vs I’m in the sandwich shop..
Thank you

[lofty basin]

"I'm" is the contracted form of "I am"

but they mean the same thing

[serene plinth]

The latter would describe the sandwich shop as a room/building and you're inside it.

The former just means you're at the sandwich shop (a place)

[gaunt mango]

Both of the answers above are good but I want to expand further
When you say “I am at a sandwich shop” you are describing your general location, and you’re just describing your general activity.

When you say you are “in the sandwich shop” you are being more specific about your location, and also highlights that you are physically inside of the shop. It’s used more in contexts where the second person is aware of which specific sandwich shop.
(Ex: you and a friend agreed to meet up at the sandwich shop on Treehouse Road, your friend asks “where are you?” You can respond with “I’m in the sandwich shop.”)

[acoustic geyser]

What is different?
What/how/why could you do it
What/how/why could you have done it?

[gaunt mango]

Your first line talks about approaching a possibility, this is because it’s in modal present tense

Your second line reflects on past action, and asks how you might approach it differently next time, this is because it’s in modal perfect tense (because your possible actions did not occur)

[lucid cairn]

got it✨

[night whale]

For those looking for a reliable tutor, I recommend this one

[acoustic geyser]

What's different:
Likely
Certain
Probable?

[signal shell]

although the meaning of "likely" has changed over the centuries, it is now used primarily to mean the exact same thing as "probable" or "probably" depending if it takes the role as adjective or adverb, respectively

I would use either one of those words when I believe something has a greater than 50% chance of being true

"certain" is somewhat related in that it often can be used when dealing with the probability of an idea being true, but I would have a much higher standard than 50% to say that I'm certain about something

I use "certain" when I feel the validity is very reliable and would be surprised to find that I was wrong about it

[signal shell]

Lol this one guy equating certain with improbable 🤣

I guess they're certain that it is improbable

Many of these outliers are quite baffling. I guess they didn't understand the assignment

[boreal ingot]

... trace amounts of amniotic fluid.

I've not seen 'trace' used like this before. I would have said 'traces of' or 'small amounts of'.

1. Is it an adjective?
2. What exactly does it mean there?

[signal shell]

That is interesting. When I see that, I understand it as an adjective. I looked it up and can't find a dictionary listing it as an adjective.

I suppose it could be one of those instances where a noun acts as an adjective

For example, a "shoe shop" is a shop that sells shoes

"shoe" is a noun, but it's used as an adjective to describe what is sold in the "shop"

In this case, you could substitute "trace amounts" with "traces" without modifying the meaning

[boreal ingot]

Yeah, i couldn't find any dictionary listing it as an adjective either :/

he didn't mention verbs though?

Btw, could you give me an example where 'trace' is used as an adjective? Like, besides 'trace amounts'

Just trying to figure out what it means as an adjective

I see, ig it just means 'small (of an amount/quantity)', yea?

[signal shell]

"trace substance"

You could replace the word "substance" there with any thing that could be categorized as a substance

Such as DNA, which riidefi mentioned

[vast walrus]

it not adjective it noun

[boreal ingot]

I see

[boreal ingot]

Hm? Is it maybe a noun adjunct?

Like Mr Ross said, noun acting liek an adjective

could be that

Anyway, thank you @median fractal and @signal shell

[signal shell]

Yeah actually this is likely the proper term for what I was talking about

[boreal ingot]

no idea I've always seen them called noun adjuncts so I'll keep doing that

I appreciate you two's helping me understand the meaning

I really don't know lol

I just know that if a noun is acting adjectivally, it's a noun adjunct

never looked too deeply into it

[vast walrus]

well it says trace is a noun on google so im going off that xd

[gaunt mango]

it can be an attributive modifier though

[rapid ingot]

Hey hey Scella since ur a trans im asking u
If anyone had a trans sibling can he call them by brother or sister?

[gaunt mango]

oh i found it

yeah "trace" when a part of "trace amounts of" is a noun adjunct

[signal shell]

Just coming up with this on the spot, but maybe... if you can rephrase the adjective + noun into a sentence like noun + "is" + adjective while maintaining the same relationship between the two words then your adjective is actually an adjective. If the relationship changes it was probably a noun adjunct

The blue sky = the sky is blue

[gaunt mango]

because 'trace' modifies 'amounts' to specify the amounts being referred to

[signal shell]

The shoe shop =\= the shop is shoe

Sounds off to me

[vast walrus]

I agree with noun adjunct

[boreal ingot]

Well, depends, if they're non-binary, you would say 'my sibling' when talking about them, unless they told you they like another term, if they're FTM, you'd say 'my brother' when talking about them, and if they're MTF you'd say 'my sister' when talking about them. You just refer to them as their true gender, regardless of what they were before.

Any further discussion of this would be outside the 'English questions' range, though

[boreal ingot]

Hm? What's that?

[gaunt mango]

modifies a noun to provide specific/essential information

mr ross was sort of describing it

like shoe shop

shoe modifies shop

attributive modifiers ARE noun adjuncts

but not all noun adjuncts are attributive modifiers iirc

[boreal ingot]

Ohh, but that only proves it's not an adjective. It doesn't prove it's a noun adjunct

[boreal ingot]

Oh I see thanks

[gaunt mango]

i think in context it sounds fine but ooc it's odd

[boreal ingot]

How lol

[gaunt mango]

normally trace is used as a noun or noun adjunct but here it's used as a standalone adjective

[signal shell]

Yeah, there is often complications in describing language when it crosses with highly technical terminology. Perhaps the dictionaries are missing out on particular usages of words when used exclusively in science and academia.

[gaunt mango]

that's actually a really good point

a lot of everyday words get repurposed into nuanced meanings for scientific contexts

[signal shell]

I'll have to take back what I said then

I can agree that "trace" is an adjective in "trace amounts"

Despite dictionaries not including it as such

[gaunt mango]

is it not a noun acting adjectively?

cause english allows nouns to modify other nouns

[signal shell]

I think it is still fair enough to think of it this way. But as language evolved, I think it's entirely possible for a word to evolve from noun, to noun adjunct, to adjective

[gaunt mango]

i mean i won't disagree with that

[signal shell]

As probably occurred with the word trace. At least in academic/science circles, this word has evolved to such a point

[gaunt mango]

ah yeah

it happened with the word fun

if you think about it, it used to be strictly a noun but now it's understood as an adjective

[signal shell]

That's a great example

Or actually, I haven't even looked at the history of that word. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the other way around. Maybe I'll look into it

[gaunt mango]

the best definition for word evolution i could find online is something called 'semantic shift'

literally where a words definition changes over time

[boreal ingot]

Yea, in stuff like 'is trace' it seems to be an adjective, so I think that it would still be an adjective in prepositive position. I would add the adjective definition to Wiktionary, but I don't know how to properly do that :p

[boreal ingot]

One thing though, can we say 'tracer' and 'tracest'?

I feel like that's important for it to be an adjective

or at least 'more trace' and 'most trace'

cuz we've seen it being used preposition, and as a predicte adjective, but adjectives normally can also be comparative and superlative (exxcpetions exist, like 'ultimate' and 'pregnant'), and can be modified by intensifying adverbs like 'very' (exxcpetions exist, like 'ultimate' and 'pregnant')

[signal shell]

Right, comparative and superlative forms are not necessary qualities of adjectives as you have pointed out

It would sound strange to me if someone said tracer or more trace

You would have to find adequate usage of those words if you want to include them in your entry, I would say

[boreal ingot]

pic 1. random person online using 'tracest'
pic 2. random article using 'tracest'

It seems to be a thing

Idk how to find research papers that use it tho

[signal shell]

Now that I see this, it actually doesn't seem so strange anymore lol

[boreal ingot]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Tracer-2-experiment-Profiles-above-sea-level-of-tracer-amount-over-the-coastal-sites_fig10_354588846

I'm struggling to understand what they're saying, but they're using 'tracer'

[signal shell]

Okay... So like "thou tracest thy finger through the sand"

I forgot about this archaic construction lol

[boreal ingot]

yea thas different. '-est' used to be the second person singular verb conjugation

[boreal ingot]

I guess I just need to find someone using 'very trace' now

what's the reaction abt smh

[gaunt mango]

i think that trace can be viewed as an adjective because of how it's used

but its grammatical identity still remains at a noun or noun adjunct (at least in modern english)

perhaps in the near future we will find a modern definition for tracest

[boreal ingot]

I'm trying to see if it has all or most funtions of an adjective. So far I've seen 'tracest' used, 'tracer' used, 'the amount is trace', 'trace amount', and I just saw 'very trace amount'

To me it seems like it's fully an adjective

[bitter hill]

Tracer here seems to be a meteorology-specific (or whatever it is) term

[gaunt mango]

Fair, I guess at this point it really just comes to a case-by-case basis

To whether someone interprets a noun as a noun acting adjectively of just as an adjective

[signal shell]

Yeah, if the usage seems restricted to a specific demographic or field of study, you should probably indicate as such

[boreal ingot]

hm, so this isn't the comparative form of the adjective 'trace'? Or what exactly do you mean

[bitter hill]

It's a noun with some other meaning

[boreal ingot]

Well, people use 'more unique' now, which is odd, but it's a thing. The meaning seems to have shifted from 'one of a kind 'to 'peculiar' or smth like that

No examples of 'trace' in the comparative form then :/ But I think there's enough evidence of its being an adjective tbh

yeye, I did give the examples 'ultimate' and 'pregnant'

That's superlative though

I did find an article using 'tracest' and some person too

yeye

[gaunt mango]

Ohhh I see

In older English “tracest” was used (see Mr Ross’s example)
Modern English typically fixes it with an adjective

“The faintest trace”
Vs
“The Tracest trace”

It’s just super awkward trying to compare something already ‘infinitesimal’ further

[boreal ingot]

Well, I've added this section :p
Hope it stays lol, cuz I didn't give three quotations, only 2
(for some reason when I check the third one, I can't find the actual quote you sent)

[boreal ingot]

Wha, I only used the ones you sent

That was what you found lol

ngl, Im not famialr enough with the thing to make it show 'tracest' and 'most trace' but only 'more trace'

how on earth do you spell

familer

famalir

you know what I mean

so put adjective after derived terms?

well, this should do

better than having 'tracer' on there

[gaunt mango]

omg yall still on trace tracer and tracest 😭

[gaunt mango]

oh did you add that to wiktionairy?

nice

[boreal ingot]

yea

[boreal ingot]

we arent talking abt it we're jus talking abt adding it to wiktioanry lol

[gaunt mango]

tracest will forever be ingrained in my memory

[boreal ingot]

[verbal heron]

Is it used as an adjective only in science?

[boreal ingot]

Yay :D

[gaunt mango]

not necessarily

[boreal ingot]

oh no

[verbal heron]

Since when is it being used like that?

[boreal ingot]

what does your name mean

[verbal heron]

it's just an alphabet

[boreal ingot]

that's the whole alphabet?

[verbal heron]

No, these are just the vowels

[gaunt mango]

it's originally a noun (trace)
typically used as an adjective-like-noun (tracer bullets)
which can be interpreted as an noun adjunct or an adjective

[boreal ingot]

i see i see

[verbal heron]

What is a noun adjunct?

[boreal ingot]

noun acting adjectivally

[gaunt mango]

a noun adjunct is a noun that modifies another noun

[verbal heron]

yea

[boreal ingot]

as in 'chicken soup'

'chicken' isa noun adjunct

[verbal heron]

Oh

[gaunt mango]

or 'shoe store'

shoe modifies store

[verbal heron]

Hm

[gaunt mango]

despite shoe being a noun, and not an adjective

[verbal heron]

ok

but is it really acting as an adjective?

[gaunt mango]

yes, because it modifies the noun

if i were to say "the cooler store", cooler is an adjective describing the store

if i were to say "the shoe store", shoe is a noun adjunct describing that the store is shoe based

[verbal heron]

but you cannot say the shoer store

[gaunt mango]

you could

a store that sells showers

the shower store

oh

yeah

[verbal heron]

lmao man

[gaunt mango]

you cannot say the shoer store

[verbal heron]

so what does it imply

[gaunt mango]

a shoer is someone who shoes horses

[gaunt mango]

when you say "shoer store"?

i guess the simplest implication would be a place where you can buy shoers

lol

[verbal heron]

no, that the comparative of 'shoe' cannot be formed

[boreal ingot]

As we said, it's not an adjective, it's just acting like one. That's why it doesn't have a comparative form, like 'a shoer store than the shoe store we were in'

[gaunt mango]

right

the closest you could get is like

[verbal heron]

oh alright

[gaunt mango]

shoe-like

[boreal ingot]

It has adjectival function but is a noun

[gaunt mango]

"That bag is shoe-like"

[boreal ingot]

Lmao how

[gaunt mango]

etymology: from lil + bro

[signal shell]

Wow I admire the effort you people have put into this trace adjective

[thin bobcat]

unrelated, is trace a verb or an adjective

or noun

[lunar token]

a verb
yes

an adjective
yes

noun
yes

[vast walrus]

xd

Verb and noun

[rapid ingot]

thanks

[boreal ingot]

All of the abovve

[boreal ingot]

people here have argued about much less for much longer, this pales in comparison

The only impressive thing is that this didn't become an argument

[lunar token]

I've never actually heard anyone use cook to mean changing facts (maybe it's older slang??), but this seems close enough to cooking the books

going online it looks like people use it more for changing the numbers in a book & doing it illegally, so not like a legally mandated gender change

cooking up to mean 'building' is super common

i was born early 2000s

i thought you meant cooking as the government changing people's records to match their AGAB

was that not it?

Oh okay, you mean the people who have their records changed are cooked now?

just say what you are asking about please because it's obvious we are not thinking of the same type of cooking

[boreal ingot]

Koib was thinking of the meaning in pic 1, while Riidefi was thinking of the meaning in pic 2
:p

at least I think so

I hadn't heard the first before

[lunar token]

At first I thought #1 because the law is literally changing people's records, but I've actually heard #2 way more often

I just don't know who's getting cooked for #2 lol

okay, so the people having their records changed are cooked

[boreal ingot]

I think it's normally the people that are cooked, not the situation

[lunar token]

If you want to say the situation itself is really bad then you can say we're cooked, but somebody has to be getting cooked

[boreal ingot]

is it? I've heard 'He's cooked' sooo many times, but idk about 'this is cooked'

Can't say I've seen it

[lunar token]

apparently we've just heard the same meaning used different ways

[rapid ingot]

if girls can call their boyfriend by daddy can boys also call their gf by mommy?

[boreal ingot]

I mean, it's slang so I'm guessing both are valid, but I've only heard it of people.
Natives' input would be helpful

[boreal ingot]

It's more of a sexual thing than just what you call your bf/gf normally. But yea, both are a thing. It implies the one using the term 'daddy/mommy' to refer to the other is really submissive and that the one being called that is 'dominating' them

What? I'm not sure what you're talking about. I just said (1) 'this is how I've seen it used', and (2) 'maybe the way you're saying it's used (to descrivbe a situation) is also valid, I don't know if that's true or not'

The comment about 'Natives' input would be helpful' was just agreeing with you on what you said: 'but ideally this is a circumstance where having natives is useful'

If you understood this as insulting you, I'm surprised lol

Didn't mean anything like that

Well, sorry for misunderstanding :p

[rapid ingot]

huh
Gross

thanks tho

[boreal ingot]

yea pretty gross

Oh, I just understand it as 'they're done for' or 'they're fucked, it's over for them'
I guess kinda like 'to be cooked' = 'to be doomed' (but more lighthearted ig)

yea, wonder why

I mean like, I haven't heard 'situation is cooked' before, but I'm sure some people use it.

I mean this was the second result after googling

"this situation is cooked"

(idk the context)

[boreal ingot]

So it's a thing apparently, but idk what it means when describing a situation

just when describing a person

yea

She's done for
but not
She's the done-for person

Seems it follows the same pattern

I mean could the second maybeee work :p

idk

yea

I see

Then that's the same as when describing a person. It seems it's just more common to use it for people than for situations

Oh alright

which two sentences?

in the first screenshot?

I mean, overall they mean the same thing I think, yea

[vast walrus]

❓ ❓ ❓

[boreal ingot]

Hi mick

[vast walrus]

Hey scella xd

[flat rune]

It's cooked

[boreal ingot]

what

[flat rune]

I say it's cooked

Not this is cooked

[boreal ingot]

Oh I see

[vast walrus]

never heard of it's cooked or this is cooked personally only he / she's cooked

IM LATE ON MY ASSIGNMENT!! IM COOKED!! etc

[signal shell]

Yeah I'm a big fan of working collaboratively, and it's lovely that it's going so smoothly

Man I need to go to bed

[boreal ingot]

yea

[boreal ingot]

go to bed

(she says at 2:28)

[signal shell]

Lol

You are one to talk

[boreal ingot]

the pot calling the kettle black, if you will

[signal shell]

It's only 22:28 here

[flat rune]

same

[signal shell]

I see what you did there

You are such a pot

[boreal ingot]

[boreal ingot]

you just said you use 'it's cooked' thoughh

[flat rune]

I used it

[vast walrus]

xd

[flat rune]

But i often hear he/she

[boreal ingot]

Mick said

never heard of it's cooked or this is cooked
and you agreed

but a bit ago, you said that you use 'It's cooked'

[flat rune]

Sorry i am tired

[boreal ingot]

oh I see

iss alright :p

rest

[lime flame]

Hi guys

[flat rune]

Sup

[flat rune]

ty

[wide yoke]

Hello guyss, I have a problem with when to use both or neither 😭

For example, what do we write here:

"You can't wear .... of these dresses. They don't fit you."

Formally

[boreal ingot]

'either' is the answer :>

If you said 'you can't wear both dresses', that means 'you aren't allowed to wear these two dresses at the same time'

'You can't wear neither' would mean 'You have to pick one'

[wide yoke]

it does make sense yeah😭

[wide yoke]

thanks though, my model answer said "neither" and so I was reaaaally confused but now I'm pretty sure the model answer is just wrong

[boreal ingot]

Oh yea thas weird. Probably a mistake

[wide yoke]

yea

[thin bobcat]

You cant wear neither sounds right to me idk

[gaunt mango]

"You can't wear neither" is a double negative, making it "you can wear either"

if you wanted to state that someone cannot wear both dresses then you would say "you can't wear either"

[thin bobcat]

yeah youre dead right

[vast walrus]

you're such an english pro scella

[thin bobcat]

yeah that sentence sounded right when i said it out loud

[boreal ingot]

Thanks :0

[robust bone]

guys

what is the difference between hate and hatred?

[thin bobcat]

hatred is more like directed and specific hate. Like his hatred for cheese or something. I'd say hate is more of a general way of describing that feeling.

[vast walrus]

hate is also a verb

hatred isnt

[thin bobcat]

that too

[robust bone]

thanks

also, is the word quintessential used often?

[vast walrus]

yep, at least i use it

[thin bobcat]

yeah i would use it

[cloud badge]

Yeah

[boreal ingot]

By the way, just in case it wasn't clear: yeah

[agile crow]

I would say, not really. You could go a year and never see it spoken or written, easily. Everyone knows what it means, though.

[boreal ingot]

I ssaw it at least like 12 times in 2024 :p

[agile crow]

It depends on the crowd you roll with, I guess

[boreal ingot]

I mean, idk if 12 times in one year counts as 'often'

[vast walrus]

Oh yeah? well i saw it 13 times

[boreal ingot]

lmao, I'm not talking in exact numbers

I'm claarfying cuz I sense sarcasam

but if you're seeign it at least 10 times a year, I'd say it's important to learn it

[vast walrus]

It's a good word too

[boreal ingot]

All words should be learnt

[gaunt mango]

Merriam-Webster estimates there to be around 1 million words in English (including archaic, different spellings, obsolete and all the other goodies)

So uh

Yeah easy peezy just memorize 1 million different things

[boreal ingot]

yea

simple

[acoustic geyser]

What is different?
Why arent you doing something
Why dont you do something

[serene plinth]

The former is more of a complaint/allegation while the latter is a suggestion/advice/request/order

[acoustic geyser]

Is it okay to mix British and American English?

[serene plinth]

Don't mix up the spellings too much or else you're good

[acoustic geyser]

I mean the grammar rule

[serene plinth]

Very few differences so you're good

[flat rune]

Six years ago, I reacted to an essay on the ethics of cloning by asking why anyone would waste
time pondering the moral implications of something that could never happen. So much for
my gifts of prophecy! As anyone who has read a newspaper in the last week knows, Ian
Wilmut, an embryologist in Scotland, has successfully cloned an adult sheep. Although Wilmut
said it would be offensive to clone a human being, he indicated that the technology for
replicating human life is within reach. If so, we have some serious thinking to do. We cannot
afford to make scientific progress now and add critical and moral insight later.

Can anyone explain what is the meaning of that bolded sentence

So much for my gifts of prophecy!

I pasted whole part in order to show the context

[serene plinth]

It means, ‘See!! I knew it was possible. That essay was wrong and I'm right Hurrah!!’

[flat rune]

ohhh

ı got ıt

could I ask one more question

how did you interpret it in that way

[serene plinth]

As many as you like as long as it's not your homework

[flat rune]

is this a phrase or a figurative usage of expressions

@serene plinth

[serene plinth]

It is not exactly figurative. It basically means that the author is far-sighted

[flat rune]

yes but how did you interpret it in that way
Why it says so much for my gifts of prophecy

So much for something

used to express disappointment at the fact that a situation is not as you thought it was:
The car won't start. So much for our trip to the beach.

If it is an expression of disappointment how is it an indicator of far-sightedness

@serene plinth

[serene plinth]

Wait I read it wrong. I thought the author believed cloning is possible and the article is wrong

I'm sorry about this

[flat rune]

np

[serene plinth]

It means that the author is sad that he got wrong

[flat rune]

I think that is a irony

but anyways

[serene plinth]

It is. It means that he has no gift for prophecy

[flat rune]

I managed to understand it by my own

[serene plinth]

I'm sorry

[flat rune]

np

[serene plinth]

I couldn't be of help

[flat rune]

np np

[agile crow]

He's saying that he thought cloning of humans could never happen, but recent events have shown that he was wrong.

So much for... something is like saying that something was overrated, or not important, or something like that.

A criminal fascist just became president; so much for democracy.

When you think that something was true, but then events prove that it wasn't, you can say so much for that

[alpine relic]

Hello guys, my first post here.
Do you have resources about practicing pronunciation?
I know I could improve this area.

Thanks 😄

[gaunt mango]

Check out #🗒｜pronunciation
Otherwise if you want to practice in real time with other learners I suggest joining one of the voice calls on the server, there are always people

(If you’re curious about specific words, I know that Google has a little word pronouncer if you google “how to pronounce…” followed by the word)

[verbal heron]

Some bombastic words can be left if one is not aiming to contribute to literature

[boreal ingot]

Google has failed me

[boreal ingot]

ye

[boreal ingot]

Google failed again 😔

two words I love

smh

[verbal heron]

What are some words that you do not like at all? (excluding the ones that are somewhat more specific, i.e., leans towards certain fields)

[boreal ingot]

I don't like slurs lol

[verbal heron]

Is there any literary expletive word?

[verbal heron]

No, I mean, some of the pompous ones

[boreal ingot]

well, I don't like logorrhoea cuz the spelling is really weird

[verbal heron]

what does it mean?

[boreal ingot]

but I like the word itself

[verbal heron]

is it a disease?

[boreal ingot]

too talkative

[verbal heron]

💀

Lmao

[boreal ingot]

I don't like the etymology of 'Coprolalia' cuz it's literally 'poop' and 'speak'

[verbal heron]

Are these hyper-literary words?

[boreal ingot]

but it means compulsion to say inappropriate words and swears and what not

[boreal ingot]

they're more medical words lol

or, i guess psychiatric or smth

[verbal heron]

Ah

good then

[boreal ingot]

Hm?

[verbal heron]

Do you like medical words?

[boreal ingot]

literary words I like are 'precipice' and 'vicissitude'

but I always confuse the latter with another word lol

[boreal ingot]

I jusst like words

Any words lol

Idk I find them very beautiful. Learning about them makes me happy lol

the other day I saw 'behoves', a word I hadn't seen in ages, and I started geeking out over it for like 25 mins

Ohh also Latin expressions in English are so cool. I love them. Idk many but they're soo funnn. Like 'vox populi' and 'quid pro quo' and 'tu quoque'. 'Lingua franca' is a really good one, also