🧠｜serious-chat

[dapper laurel]

Shield of the West 🇮🇱 X shield of the East 🇰🇵

[feral river]

they are both shield of humanity

[thorny steeple]

Against who?

[dapper laurel]

✅✅✅

[dapper laurel]

Terrorism

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[thorny steeple]

Shield of humans
Shield of ewmans

[viscid ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/john-btb-john-gif-13025623

[amber mantle]

Hello, can someone explain th stopping to me
My question is, what is th stopping in general and in what situations or places is it used? Where in America is it used most often for someone who is just learning English and is it suitable for a newcomer or should they first learn the standard th and then learn th stopping?

[spice bobcat]

Don't rush your th, upgrade everything and upgrade walls till th12. They become useless afterwards, but your choice. Save your gems for the 5 builders and don't use any magic items in the early stages of your coc (th9-11). Login every weekend for raids because that helps with resources

[thorny steeple]

I unfortunately deleted my COC id it was at lvl 13 with 5 workers

[spice bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-hog-rider-clash-of-clans-memes-clash-royale-gif-24280865

You made a mistake

[prisma cipher]

[thorny steeple]

Hello

Serious chat isn't serious

[slender coral]

It can be sometimes

[thorny steeple]

😏 really?

[queen wolf]

fake you israel

the worst contry

[thorny steeple]

Are you alright bro?

[queen wolf]

yes why?

[thorny steeple]

No you all alleft

[thorny steeple]

No i use right hand

You don't know the meme

[thorny steeple]

He did not choose his country 😋

[queen wolf]

yes bcause the contry kils a lot of peaples

and i'm moslim

i don't care about the stuped contry

[manic juniper]

Bad bait

[thorny steeple]

He created the country?
He killed anyone?
Why blame him?

Im just saying we can't choose where we'll be born .
😋 I would have chosen elon sun stage

[amber mantle]

Hello, can someone explain th stopping to me? My question is, is it suitable for those who are just learning English or should they first learn the standard th and then learn th stopping?

[thorny steeple]

U mean glottal stop?

Give examples

[queen wolf]

i know but why the contry kils peaples

[thorny steeple]

Well if allah doesn't stop them maybe its for good 😋

[queen wolf]

you don't know anything about islam maybe

[serene isle]

Hello
Where are you from

[queen wolf]

moroco

[manic juniper]

Free Western Sahara

[queen wolf]

yes

hhh

what about you where are you from

[uncut tiger]

Those criminals and predators built America tho

[serene isle]

Is there a girl who likes us to become friends and learn English together?

[uncut tiger]

what happened to the bich please girl that was interested in you?

[serene isle]

I didn't understand what you meant any girl.
I don't know any girl here.

[uncut tiger]

the girl who said she was interested in you

when you asked this question a few days ago

did you talk to her?

[serene isle]

No

[serene isle]

do you know her

[uncut tiger]

yea shes my friend

we broke up last year

(still friends)

[serene isle]

Where is she now?

[serene isle]

Why

[uncut tiger]

you mean now now?

she went to the gym i think

we're neighbours

[uncut tiger]

mutual

[serene isle]

I mean, does it exist or what?

[uncut tiger]

no just friends

[serene isle]

Why she was interested

[uncut tiger]

in you?

idk man ask her

[serene isle]

Yes

[uncut tiger]

maybe she wants to chat

[serene isle]

Where to find it

[uncut tiger]

tf you mean 'it'

[serene isle]

Where can I find that girl?
and how old is she
😂😂😂

[uncut tiger]

19

dm her @mint hatch

[serene isle]

Thanks my friend

[uncut tiger]

oh yes no problem

[lusty zenith]

what. Her pfp is from the same manga series as mine

Diaz do you have a type

[mortal heart]

holy tvrk🐺

[feral river]

well it's not the terrorists built America

support ICE and they will deport every terrorists out of America

and AIPAC

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/abes-odyssey-2d-platformer-cinematic-platformer-oddworld-gif-2556100785711335048

[amber mantle]

My question is, what is th stopping in general and in what situations or places is it used? Where in America is it used most often for someone who is just learning English and is it suitable for a newcomer or should they first learn the standard th and then learn th stopping?

[winter echo]

???

[cunning remnant]

Hello, is there anybody who wants to practice English and talk about electricity?

[tepid solstice]

Why europe though

[main bison]

Find it when u moved there duh

So?

That doesn't mean you should get a online girlfriend from discord

[shy summit]

That’s not ICEs job

Nor is that what they do

Illegal immigration is a Misdemeanor, a low level criminal act.

Terrorism is the job of the FBI and the CIA

[spice bobcat]

Don't rush your th, upgrade everything and upgrade walls till th12. They become useless afterwards, but your choice. Save your gems for the 5 builders and don't use any magic items in the early stages of your coc (th9-11). Login every weekend for raids because that helps with resources

[shy summit]

Please do not liken the issue of terrorism with the relatively harmless issue of immigration to a country.

It makes you look like a racist.

@feral river

[spice bobcat]

Drugs

[shy summit]

Drugs are the DEAs deal

Not ICE

[spice bobcat]

Ice is a drug

[shy summit]

🤦‍♂️

[spice bobcat]

It's what we call heroin

Damn, thinking horses not zebras. Good

Immigration and customs exchange.

[uncut tiger]

did YOU mute the diyar guy?

[shy summit]

Of course not.

[uncut tiger]

good job.

[shy summit]

I banned his ass

[uncut tiger]

good girl.

[uncut tiger]

what did he do

[shy summit]

Screaming about people being gay and autistic

Obvs troll

[uncut tiger]

ohh

[novel aurora]

Hello

[feral river]

well I'm not a racist and I don't oppose immigration but for the people who come into another country that attempt to commit a crime of subversion against the state was definitely violating the law and should be deported.

[formal pilot]

I'm sure being a troll isn't enough to get banned, that's why we've a thriving flat earth community

[uncut tiger]

hard.

[shy summit]

Yes, but that’s not terrorism. And most of these arrests are against legal immigrants anyways.

Terrorism is handled by the FBI and sometimes the CIA

Drugs are handled by DEA

[feral river]

ofc some act that was totally out of the control which result in deporting legal citizens should be end right now

we don't have any issues around that

[shy summit]

That’s kind of the whole reason for the campaign

[feral river]

and they should be allowed to back to the country they have legal status in

[shy summit]

They don’t want ‘brown people’

[feral river]

with compensation

[shy summit]

Won’t happen

[uncut tiger]

america is america bcz of those immigrants

they built america

[shy summit]

Indeed.

[uncut tiger]

piece by piece

[shy summit]

They target immigrants because they make a good scapegoat

And a great political distraction

[feral river]

that's exactly the problem isn't it, I don't want terrorists not 'brown people'

[shy summit]

Yeah dude… most terrorists are homegrown

Cracking down on immigration would NOT really help

9/11? they were homegrown agents.

Not immigrants

[feral river]

I don't think that conspiracy theory was established, 9/11 is well-documented a catastropic attack from terrorists

you can't justify that case by saying it's all made up by your own people

[shy summit]

They were terrorists. But they were also homegrown agents. Born/Raised in the U.S.

Contrary to the narrative it wasn’t crazy people coming TO America from somewhere. They were extremists with foreign connections

People aren’t immigrating to America to commit acts of terror.

Likening the two together is an insane prospect.

It’s like comparing a mugging to a mass shooting.

[serene isle]

Hello
Where are you from

[feral river]

we aren't targeting any specific groups of people based on different race and origin, but obviously some people do have clear political agenda that was linked with terrorism against national interest of the United States

it's not very hard to understand that one major point that Trump got elected was because people are sick of it

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/06/foreign-student-visas-pro-palestinian-ai

and what they are doing was just send them back

[shy summit]

So elaborating on that. They made no indication of advocating for terrorism.

They made pro palestinian posts

And they are trying to shill political speech that calls out Israel for it’s treatment of Palestinians

[feral river]

they are pro-Hamas not pro-palestinians

Hamas was a terrorist group in the middle east

that was absolutely different

support Palestine doesn't equal to support Hamas

same case if reversed

[hollow spear]

[amber mantle]

My question is, what is th stopping in general and in what situations or places is it used? Where in America is it used most often for someone who is just learning English and is it suitable for a newcomer or should they first learn the standard th and then learn th stopping?

[restive finch]

Stop when thou die

[manic juniper]

I'm pro-Palpatine

Sorry Mon Mothma

[turbid dome]

Btw voicing support for Hamas is perfectly legal in the US, only material support is illegal

So that’s also irrelevant

[restive finch]

Arab tarraros, Heezbollah Tararrros

[shy summit]

Besides the idea of painting Hamas as a terrorist org is a pretty divided issue. Only 8% of living Gazans actually ‘voted’ for them

[formal pilot]

Collective punishment is a war crime

[mystic bay]

Collateral damage should be as well

For exactly the same reason

[turbid dome]

It is already

[turbid dome]

However, there are still allowed justifications for it which shouldn’t be allowed at all imo

[mystic bay]

They obviously got my letter

[turbid dome]

All they have to do is claim a high military value relative to civilians killed

[winter echo]

Define terrorist

[winter echo]

Couldn't agree more

[winter echo]

So being pro israel who is commiting genocide live is okay but supporting hamas is not right?

[high raven]

Selective moralism

[feral river]

support Hamas is support terrorism

you may condemn Israel or support Palestine, all make sense and it's your freedom, but support Hamas do equals to support terrorism

[winter echo]

What makes you think hamas is a terrorist organization?

[feral river]

they are recognized as terrorist organization

[winter echo]

By who?

[feral river]

The United States designated Hamas as a terrorist organisation in 1995, as did Canada in November 2002,[464] and the United Kingdom in November 2021.[465] In May 2021, the Organization of American States designated Hamas as a terrorist organisation.[466] The European Union so designated Hamas's military wing in 2001 and, under US pressure,[467] designated Hamas in 2003

you may face deportation if you are supporting Hamas publicly in the US

[winter echo]

The biggest sponsor of terrorism designated someone as a terrorist?

[crystal kayak]

Facts

[crystal kayak]

And people believe them

[thorny steeple]

Terrorists cannot define who's Terrorist

[cedar bridge]

Double standards

[crystal kayak]

Agreed

[winter echo]

Some people just lack the ability to make their own judgement

[thorny steeple]

They think they are clever by stating facts the made it
How idiot they are

[cedar bridge]

All superpowers have double standards, it is inevitable, if one states agrees with their foes, a state looses its ground

So each state creates a beneficial standpoint and policy on international affairs, internal and external propaganda, troops and such

[crystal kayak]

And their get to decide who gets to own a nuclear bomb mind you.

[crystal kayak]

True because they literally are using social media and AIs to rot peoples brain

[high raven]

It's clearly working

[thorny steeple]

People discuss just to prove thier opinions not to know the truth

[cedar bridge]

What's the truth? Absolute truth is kinda... What is that

Truth has too many edges

[winter echo]

The who controls the media owns the narrative

[thorny steeple]

You will find it by searching and reading not to lisent to what u like

[cedar bridge]

People are selfish

[thorny steeple]

[cedar bridge]

You also propogate for something, right

[mystic bay]

[cedar bridge]

I just take that as a natural occurrence that shit happens, have seen too much to argue about opinions

We need a black swan in macroeconomics now

[crystal kayak]

Do you really have a PhD

[mystic bay]

I'm afraid so

[crystal kayak]

In what

[mystic bay]

Philosophy

[crystal kayak]

Ohhhh

[crystal kayak]

Nice

[crystal kayak]

So how is it going

[cedar bridge]

Someone had time, dedication, and money...

[feral river]

nobody gives a fuck to your definition

but if you do something illegal based on their definition, you gonna be jailed

[cedar bridge]

I'm happy my life situation didn't force me to study for PhD

[mystic bay]

The PhD? I graduated already

[cedar bridge]

So I ended up just being a master's degree graduate

[high raven]

That's still good

[crystal kayak]

So what do you do now for work

[high raven]

I should've also stopped at a masters

[feral river]

national interest above all

we all live on a planet where the nations are the supreme authority

[mystic bay]

I work in a chocolate shop

As an oompa loompa

[cedar bridge]

No one denied

[feral river]

and they compete each other as whole in a survival struggle

[crystal kayak]

😂😂

[crystal kayak]

I heard this somewhere is it in Harry Potter

[feral river]

in that case when people used to say something bullshit like western human rights matters or their left agenda matters I just want to laugh

[mystic bay]

Yes

[crystal kayak]

No jokes bro what do philosophers do for work

[crystal kayak]

🤣🤣

[cedar bridge]

China isn't better than the U.S., in my eyes you both sre equal

[mystic bay]

Nothing

[crystal kayak]

I just watched half blood today

[stable edge]

Anyone Delta or Arena maybe Fortnite ?

[winter echo]

Imagine being the only one to use nukes and saying others can't build them to protect themselves

[feral river]

wym we aren't better well

I never say we are better than the US

[feral river]

and I love both they are both superpowers

[crystal kayak]

Really

[feral river]

🇺🇸 🇨🇳

[mystic bay]

Did you see me there

[feral river]

we dominate the world

[cedar bridge]

Can't blame them, I would take a few pictures as well! Though I wouldn't share it on internet.

[crystal kayak]

No🤣🤣

[winter echo]

No way you can't be Chinese and still like uncle sam

[crystal kayak]

In Harry Potter half blood, no I didn't see you

[cedar bridge]

He is not brainwashed the way his compatriots are. But he is somewhat patriotic.

[high raven]

You're new here

[mystic bay]

I was under an invisibility cloak

[cedar bridge]

You sure?

[high raven]

Yes

[winter echo]

Okay

[cedar bridge]

Apparently we have never talked before 🙁

[fresh flower]

Dmitry you're definitely new here

[cedar bridge]

You gotta be kidding me

[fresh flower]

Mein Kraft is brainwashed and a result of mercury poisoning

[crystal kayak]

I can't argue

[high raven]

It doesn't sound like you've spoken to him enough

[fresh flower]

He clearly doesn't know him

💀💀💀

[cedar bridge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[formal pilot]

[manic juniper]

Gay

[winter echo]

I have been waiting for an opportunity to drop this

[crystal kayak]

When I say this people look at me like I am mad

[winter echo]

@feral river

[manic juniper]

You already posted this

[winter echo]

It's the truth tho

[crystal kayak]

But they get mad when you say it

[crystal kayak]

They did the same thing in Africa too

[winter echo]

Dont mind them it's their fault for being less informed

[winter echo]

Yes especially in Libya
When ghadadafi
Was alive it used to be a heaven on earth.
Then uncle sam visited them

Yes one US Congressman admitted to such.
And yet have the audacity to label people as terrorists

[amber mantle]

My question is, what is th stopping in general and in what situations or places is it used? Where in America is it used most often for someone who is just learning English and is it suitable for a newcomer or should they first learn the standard th and then learn th stopping?

[crystal kayak]

I just laugh when they start labelling other countries as terrorist.there is proverb in Swahili that says "a monkey doesn't see it is own behind."

[winter echo]

Breath for a while and ask your questions

[winter echo]

So true

[crystal kayak]

There is a beginner chat

[feral river]

are you gonna support ISIS ?

[fallen gazelle]

hi guys

[mortal heart]

Hello there

[prisma cipher]

Everyone have double standards. Big or small doesn't matter

[winter echo]

What I'm saying is the person who literally created isis and other terrorists organizations have no right whatsoever to preach morality

[winter echo]

I don't quite agree with that

[manic juniper]

@feral river holy shit this is you

[winter echo]

@manic juniper revive the chat

[serene isle]

Hello
Where are you from

[slender coral]

I'm Egyptian

What about you?

[serene isle]

Nice to meet you
I'm from Iraq
I'm a college student, a fitness instructor, a boxer, and you.

[slender coral]

I'm a computer science student. That's the most notable thing about me I guess.

@serene isle would you like to discuss anything?

[serene isle]

Are there ways to monitor pollution from each other by computer?

[eager forge]

Hi, there, I'm interested in computer science

[slender coral]

What do you mean?

[slender coral]

Hey. What field are you interested in the most?

[serene isle]

There are studies on measuring air pollution using software and remote sensing devices.

[slender coral]

Ohhh

That's more related to engineering I think

I'm not into that stuff.

I'm more interested in web development, networks, and cyber security.

[formal pilot]

#💻｜programming

[olive herald]

frfrfr

[vestal heron]

I couldn't stop myself from sharing this!

[winter echo]

Imagine placing a bounty on a sovereign country's president
Trump is unhinged

[opal jackal]

Hello

[uncut tiger]

US Venezuela war 2025

[turbid dome]

Yeah that’s ridiculous, also misleading, there was previously a $25 million bounty.

Not to mention I’m unaware of any evidence of Maduro trying to weaponize or use drugs as terror against the US, at best it’d probably a way for him to make more on the side, and we don’t even know if he’s involved in the drug trade, the organization he’s accused of being a leader in has had key figures charged by his prosecutors office

[thorny steeple]

yo

[opal jackal]

How do you do?

[thorny steeple]

Doing bad wbu

[opal jackal]

Up to no good

[thorny steeple]

We're same ig

[opal jackal]

Yes however what's up?

[thorny steeple]

Wasting my time on the damn phone

[opal jackal]

Oh how was your day?

[thorny steeple]

Just started the day wbu?

[opal jackal]

What time is it there?

[thorny steeple]

11 : 10 am wbu

[opal jackal]

4:10

[graceful halo]

[shut coyote]

i got a question

how can 1 stay happy ?

[feral river]

I don’t give a fuck to some toilet paper

Law/rule without enforcement is toilet paper

And what you are saying was absolutely false

[feral river]

Lmao

[winter echo]

Do a little research

[muted patio]

Politics again

And i miss that

[near blaze]

Why

Oh

What's gonna happen

[thorny steeple]

Use your freedom here bro .

[serene isle]

Hello
I'm a college student, a fitness instructor, a boxer, and you.

[prisma cipher]

Respect

[serene isle]

Thanks
What about you

[winter echo]

What's gonna happen?

In my country nothing

[restive finch]

😎

[slender coral]

You are referring to your government?

[thorny steeple]

Guys

Is anyone here

I need some help

[tepid solstice]

Jesus is not god
God is God

[thorny steeple]

I can't talk in the microphone

[violet stone]

Hello guys

Any side hustles ideas?

[mossy canyon]

What?

[thorny steeple]

God is allah

[lethal nymph]

R we gonna discuss that

[thorny steeple]

Discussed what

[slender coral]

Islam is so pathetic honestly. Muslim fundamentalists consider the growing numbers of Muslims in the world a big victory, but even under this pathetic way to see winning they are maintaining it with censorship and violence.
In their countries they restrict, harass, imprison, assassinate, and execute dissenters. Outside they appeal to values of multiculturism as a way to silence dissenters, claiming that whoever criticizes their disgusting beliefs is intolerant. The values they reject in their home countries is what they try to appeal to, it's hypocritical.
The level of how pathetic Islam is don't stop there. For years I've been aware about online platforms whether on WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook, and YouTube dedicated to tracking critics online and doing whatever at their disposal to silence them, whether by mass reporting their accounts or even doxxing and harassing those creators. Those people tried to target an ex-Muslim on YouTube called Apostate Aladin recently. They did a false copyright strike on his channel and tried to use that as a way to doxx him, since you would need to give your real name and address to YouTube to appeal the strike which can show to person who did the copyright strike.

We call those people keyboard Jihadists.

[fresh flower]

You can't be this braindead

Are we still applying the things a few people do to entire religions?

[slender coral]

Few?

[fresh flower]

Do all Muslims do what you just described?

[slender coral]

I never said that

[fresh flower]

Then how does the actions of those people reflect on the entire religion

[slender coral]

But it's certainly not a minority considering that the only countries in the world that kill apostates are Muslim countries, and how common and often blasphemy laws get implemented in these countries, how severe they can get, and how unsafe to minorities they are.

[slender coral]

It does because the texts encourage them.

[fresh flower]

Where does the Quran say that you should harass non-believers

[manic juniper]

Doggerland

Blasphemy laws suck, the Roman Empire used to have pro-blasphemy laws before it made Christianity its state religion

Cursing the gods was protected by law

[slender coral]

Well, there's a Hadith that clearly says those who leave Islam are ought to be killed. If you think someone is ought to be killed for something you wouldn't mind harassing them.
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922 - Apostates - كتاب استتابة المرتدين والمعاندين وقتالهم - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم) https://share.google/89i9MbMNkxw7zBOdY

[manic juniper]

Damn it's authentic isn't it

[slender coral]

Yeah

This is why many mainstream Muslims advocate for it. The majority of Muslims are Sunnis and these stuff are of their primary texts.

It's a well-known Hadith as well. That's why leaving Islam often cause severe punishments in Muslim countries even if it's not death.

[manic juniper]

Yeah I talked to a few who agree with that too, to preserve societal stability or something

[slender coral]

Their reasons are luaghable honestly

[slender coral]

You have this from the Quran as well:
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter. [5:33]

"Waging war" against Allah and his prophet can include various things, from criminal activities and highway robbers, to criticizing Islam. Various kinds of "evil" as the scholar ibn-Kathir puts it. He interpreting the verse:

'Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways.

https://quran.com/5:33/tafsirs/en-tafisr-ibn-kathir

[lapis drum]

is anyone here doing AI stuff? and I dont mean chatgpt.

[feral river]

I don't feel like there's a reason that Islam should exist under the today's world framework

[slender coral]

The only reasons it still dominates legal frameworks are ignorance and censorship.

[feral river]

they remain as a old, backward ideology that drives people into cycle of deep poverty, conflict against other influences, and obsessed against the social development

nothing they promoted was justified under the only truth but using some stupid thelogy that was outdated 500 years ago to maintain their only rule above the people

and ask them to fight for their God, which is jihadism which is the core ideology of promoting terrorist attack

and not surprisingly every section I mentioned makes 100% sense and it was the truth

even they would deny it for nothing which they don't even know the reason to continue to believe in this bullshit

that was Islam

the history perfectly prove what they have done was exactly what I'm saying

[slender coral]

The thing is, under Islam you are in a constant state of war against others. The idea that war can be fought with the tongue and it's criticizing something or promoting something, so you need to constantly "fight" to please Allah. That fighting can be done through physical violence or a pathetic channel on Telegram trying to mass report critics online and doxx them.

[feral river]

that is their own issue by the way we are living in a world where survival struggle exists so making deterrance against others isn't surprising

the point is they are losing the ground

the point is they use this ideology sounds like they are aggressive but in reality they fight in the cities using civilian human shield to fight against F-35 and after they defeat they accuse their enemy inhumane

[slender coral]

@feral river@manic juniper watch this
https://youtu.be/tZaM17ABk-s?si=uIhsrP8TPfEKZ7Wb

[feral river]

what kind of bullshit that was lmao

[formal pilot]

For the record, this is different Aladdin

[feral river]

if they can win by being super aggressive towards others okay, but the reality was they are the poorest, and they are losing every ground

[hard coyote]

[feral river]

that's the funniest point

[formal pilot]

That Aladdin is Christian

I'm superior to him

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1211329848874762281.gif

[hard coyote]

Sounds like.... a painter fr

[turbid dome]

to be fair most religions want you to convert people, even if it's not official church doctrine it's the very nature of religion.

[spice bobcat]

The answer to his question tho, is that it doesnt say that. Everyone is allowed to believe their religion and there is no compulsion in it, according to the Qur'an. Yes, they would want you to convert but not harass

We can't even use quran bot here

John 11:35

[solemn frost]

John 11:35 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<35> Jesus wept.

BibleBot v12.1.0 by Kerygma Digital

[turbid dome]

If you're looking for the word "harass" then no, but pretty sure this constitutes harassment https://quran.com/at-tawbah/29

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled."

[spice bobcat]

This is a specific verse for a specific scenario. This verse was revealed during hijrah when idolaters were barred and Muslims had waged war against them.

Read the tafsir

That's a better explanation

[turbid dome]

But why does it not make a distinction between those who wage war and those who don't? It doesn't just advocate for surviving a war waged against them, it advocates for subjugation?

Again, most religions have this feature, it's a key part of how they spread to maintain institutional power https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 28%3A19-20&version=NIV

[spice bobcat]

Qur'an is the words of Allah revealed to the prophet, it was later complied into a book by the pious predecessors. It's sometimes like a conversation and sometimes like an order. This is why tafsir is a big science, you can't understand the Qur'an without it. Which, I think is better than blind-eyeing it. The question for subjugation, they anointed a state tax called jizya to the people of the book. If they didn't pay that, Allah told Muslims to punish them

That's what was said there.

Again, read the tafsir

It explains alot better and I may be wrong in some places

Also, jizya (tax) was there for their protection. Not for the benefit of the muslims.

[turbid dome]

how does that work?

[turbid dome]

If you believe, sure. If you don't, it looks more like a minor warlord trying to influence people and contradicting himself based on the situation and how it benefits him

[spice bobcat]

It was like a simple poll tax for the citizens (women, elderly and monks excluded)

[spice bobcat]

I mean you're right, from one perspective it does. Because that's the era it was revealed in, they were mostly in war during the hijrah years.

[turbid dome]

Those things which are outlawed here because they're discriminatory?

[spice bobcat]

I'm not sure I understand the question

Can you help me with that

[turbid dome]

Sorry, not a question. Here poll taxes were previously used to discriminate against minorities and so it had to be made unconstitutional for election purposes

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-24/

[spice bobcat]

Ohhh understandable. Jizya was just an amount the citizens (Christians and jews) living in haram had to pay, for protection. Nothing else, sounds discriminatory tbf but those were the times.

I'll send you a video for a better explanation.

I'm not doing an adequate job.

[turbid dome]

slright

[spice bobcat]

https://youtu.be/Ll2lwNMEjps?si=sY7TV7IdlO5RSyEI
I find this simple, idk bout others.

[turbid dome]

well yeah, they could raise taxes on everyone equally to pay for protection for minorities, yet they put the burden entirely on minorities

[spice bobcat]

Agreed

https://youtu.be/pB4ZuidEJOI?si=yHWbgZz-vXpguLiN

Somewhat longer explanation.

[formal pilot]

Join skribble

[spice bobcat]

Okii where link

[feral river]

since when it becomes a trend which people would be a like kid to define things' right or wrong based on some toilet paper with piece of shit called morality

[formal pilot]

https://skribbl.io/?OOCeCLjp

[spice bobcat]

Welcome to moral relativity

[dapper laurel]

The only correct morality that can exist is to follow one's own interests. Everything else is shit

[slender coral]

This guy isn't an Aladdin. He is a Turk not Arab.

[feral river]

I have the guns, my morality is right

lmfao

[winter echo]

What do you mean?

[turbid dome]

If you don’t believe in god then it would appear to be Muhammad using religion as a tool for his own personal power and legacy

[sharp creek]

hahaha as always

[winter echo]

His own personal benefits?

[slender coral]

The point of Jizya is to humiliate them. It comes with a set of rules called the rules of Ahlul-dhimma (protected people), which include that they should wear certain stuff to be distinguished in public, can't maintain their religious sites, can't build more, have to accept Muslim guests to their religious sites, and stuff like that. Read أحكام أهل الذمة The Rules Of Ahlul-Dhimma by ابن القيم الجوزية ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyah for more information.
Here's a chapter from the book discussing how the goal of Jizyah is to humiliate non-Muslim, it's not أجرة عن سكنى الدار a tax for living in the place. @turbid dome

[turbid dome]

Yes

[dapper laurel]

As long as weapons serve your interests

[turbid dome]

Yup, I would agree

[sharp creek]

do you think the war is coming

[dapper laurel]

It would certainly be useful for the markets

We need to sell to make money

[sharp creek]

are you the andos before

[dapper laurel]

It's my villain arc

[sharp creek]

i think so

[dapper laurel]

I simply changed pfp

[dapper laurel]

I just hope my country can sell more weapons to Israel and Ukraine

https://tenor.com/view/max-stirner-georgebailey-gif-25534347

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ci7OoJfPiLY

LMFAO

[winter echo]

Before the Quran was revealed to prophecy Muhammad he was a very rich merchant, but after receiving revelations from God he donated almost all his wealth to the poor.
Infact when he died
He had very few belongings, there's a guy when the prophet died who claims the prophet owe him money which wasn't paid.
I see no reason why someone will think the prophet use religion for his personal benefits.

[sharp creek]

...for real, i think you changed your nickname

[dapper laurel]

That remained the same

[sharp creek]

[winter echo]

That's wrong the jizya wasn't imposed on them to humiliate them.
I can provide several reasons why
Are you interested in hearing?

[sharp creek]

what are you typing!

who is ahful dihimma

[turbid dome]

He successfully made a massive legacy, to where his name is spoken to this day and is one of the most well known historical figures. His successors made a large empire that rivaled many, and during his lifetime the southern half of Arabia was dominated by Islam, who all believed he was the literal prophet of god. He may not have had the most amount of money, but he had plenty of political power.

[sharp creek]

ohh its still about religious issues

fkkk religious guys

that topic is not pragmatic at all

even worse than a war related topic

[winter echo]

True

[winter echo]

What are you on?

[sharp creek]

im on my bed?

on my chair

[feral river]

yeah but they are fucked totally on that point

they can't dominate the world by their freaking little red book in my eye

[slender coral]

Sure brother, go ahead.

[feral river]

that's even worse than little red book prasing Mao zedong at least it says you have to develop in a right way without ideological struggle

[turbid dome]

almost 1400 years since he died and people hang on his every word still. That's an insane amount of power

[feral river]

your little red book was to f*ck everyone who do not praise your religion

[feral river]

but they are losing market year by year actually

no worries they will finally gone in few decades

[turbid dome]

There's been ups and downs throuhgout history

[turbid dome]

Doubtful. Centuries sure, not decades

[feral river]

yeah but now they can't even team up based on that shit to fight against a regional power

[sharp creek]

could you response who is the top three leaders of china so far in your perspective

[turbid dome]

That's because they are puppets of the US

[feral river]

but all condemning while closing the border, intercept the missile, and being crashed everytime

[turbid dome]

Of all time or since the PRC founding?

[feral river]

what a freaking joke

[feral river]

since when

[sharp creek]

founding date of china

[feral river]

im sure in decades they will gone because the survival struggle will gets harder in the next industrial revolution

even now you can only see few superpowers which controls the core technology others doesn't have

[turbid dome]

waning in influence? Maybe. Gone? Doubtful

[feral river]

in few decades you will see how they will really dominate the world based on that

[sharp creek]

yes

[feral river]

it's very practical

[sharp creek]

what is PRC btw..

[turbid dome]

which one

[turbid dome]

China Mao and After

[sharp creek]

since prc founding

[turbid dome]

ok

[sharp creek]

what you are not chinese !!

we dont know much about chinese

[winter echo]

In exchange for protection and exemption from military service
Muslims in the early Islamic state were obliged to serve in the military and defend the state.
Non-Muslims under Muslim rule were generally exempt from military duty, and the jizya acted as a financial contribution to the defense of the realm.
In return, the Islamic government guaranteed security of life, property, and religious freedom to those paying it.
The Qur’an (9:29) mentions fighting those who oppose Islam “until they pay the jizya willingly while they are humbled,” which classical commentators understood in the context of subduing hostile groups into peaceful coexistence through a formal agreement.
2. Recognition of the Muslim state’s authority
Jizya was also symbolic—it signified that the non-Muslim community accepted Muslim governance and the protection that came with it.
It was part of the political contract ensuring their inclusion in the Muslim realm without forcing them to convert.
Islamic jurists emphasized that jizya was not a punishment for disbelief itself, but a marker of political allegiance and peaceful submission to the state.
3. Economic fairness in place of zakat.
Muslims paid zakat (obligatory alms), which was a religious tax used for welfare and the poor.

Non-Muslims were not required to pay zakat (as it’s a religious obligation for Muslims), so jizya was considered their parallel civic contribution to the public treasury.

Some jurists even noted that in certain cases, the amount of jizya could be less than zakat paid by Muslims.

[feral river]

1. Mao Zedong (no doubt he's the founder of the nation and he liberated China and transformed this semi-colony to a great power)
2. Deng Xiaoping (industralization, privatization, capitalization, the original point of becoming so fucking rich)
3. Xi Jinping (anti-corrption, full crack down on separatists, expand Chinese territory)

[turbid dome]

correct in that i'm not chinese but i would say 1) Xi Jinping (Economic growth) 2) Deng Xiaoping (His theories set the basis for the growth of the Chinese economy) and 3 ) Hu Jintao (Less Growth than Xi but still impressive)

[tepid solstice]

Allah is a term for God

[winter echo]

4 A guarantee of religious freedom

Under the dhimma system, jizya-payers had the right to maintain their own places of worship, personal laws, and religious practices.

[winter echo]

Hey I want to know more about china's era of humiliation

[feral river]

you may ask about it

[turbid dome]

so... pay us or we won't help you and you'll be under constant threat? That's not a free choice. Also Zakat is paid because you are Muslim, so they chose to be Muslim and pay Zakat as part of their religion. It would be similar to putting a "Muslim Tax" on everyone who was Muslim because i created a religion which pays more. Me and my theoretical followers chose to pay.

[feral river]

I may very aware about what happened around that century

[turbid dome]

you tagged the wrong person btw

[fresh flower]

I'd make Minecraft my slave

I'd use you to water my garden and the upkeep of it

I wish we lived in Islamic times

[turbid dome]

Only if you have the guns

[winter echo]

That’s a fair criticism, and historians — Muslim and non-Muslim alike — have debated it for centuries. Let’s unpack the nuance.

[fresh flower]

I'd have a sword, and Minecraft is scrawny, he can't wield a scimitar

[turbid dome]

alright, what is there to unpack

[fresh flower]

Don't use chatgpt here

Not around me, I can smell it

[sharp creek]

..............

im using gpt , can you smell that

[fresh flower]

AI could never spell as bad as you, take it as a compliment

[winter echo]

Stay out of it?

[fresh flower]

No one will talk to you if you use chatgpt, they might as well discuss the topic with it

[winter echo]

Why it wasn’t framed as “pay or we abandon you” in early Islamic thought
1 From the classical Islamic legal point of view, jizya wasn’t meant to be a protection racket (like mafia extortion). The idea was:

You are living under a state you are not a member of religiously.

That state has obligations to defend everyone inside it, but also costs to run — armies, administration, welfare.

Since zakat was a religious tax only for Muslims, the jizya was the civic contribution for non-Muslims in place of zakat and military service.

The early sources do record moments where the logic was consistent with this — e.g., Umar ibn al-Khattab ordering jizya refunds when Muslims withdrew protection from Hims.

[fresh flower]

Have your own thoughts

Nvm...

[sharp creek]

AI helps me a lot on my english skills

[winter echo]

Ofc

[sharp creek]

but ive told the people around me, ai is not that smart, it wont replace humans skills in a quite long time

but nobody trusts me

[fresh flower]

It will replace you

[sharp creek]

nooo.............

its not that useful

[winter echo]

That's what you think?

[fresh flower]

You and Majeed specifically, because you're using it to replace your own thoughts, instead of using it to aid you in making them more coherent

You're both clanker lovers

[sharp creek]

software can replace majority of human jobs long long time ago

until now it is not happen, and its far more reliable than ai

[winter echo]

I hate to admit but AI is really helpful

[winter echo]

And what's wrong with that?

[sharp creek]

also just like the industrial revolution , nobody was replaced, human found other interesting things to do

[turbid dome]

"You are living under a state you are not a member of religiously." Why does this justify taxation? "That state has obligations to defend everyone inside it, but also costs to run — armies, administration, welfare." agreed. "Since zakat was a religious tax only for Muslims, the jizya was the civic contribution for non-Muslims in place of zakat and military service." ok, but why was this necessary? Muslims chose to be muslims, they chose to pay the tax associated with being muslim. Religious minorities don't believe in Islam, so why are they being taxed in place of Zakat, and why do they need military exemption?

[fresh flower]

If AI does all the thinking for you, what's the use in having you around?

[sharp creek]

the capitalists lies all the time , merely because they want to earn money from it

[turbid dome]

In many cases Jizya was used as a form of conversion, as the Jizya was higher than Zakat, and so converting to Islam was a better financial alternative.

[fresh flower]

Can you name a job that won't be replaced or influenced by the advancement of AI and the robotics that it powers

[formal pilot]

Prostitution

[turbid dome]

I was going to say cannon fodder but eventually robots can replace that

[turbid dome]

for now

[sharp creek]

the thing is not about it can or not, even today, there are farmers work by their hands

[fresh flower]

Those things already exist, you can buy toys that do the work for you

[sharp creek]

it cant replace the people who has been exploited, they cant send a robot to a jail

auto driving is not as safe as humans drivers

[fresh flower]

Wyd if in the future your daughter brings home her boyfriend and it turns out to be a clanker

[turbid dome]

they can just dismantle it

[turbid dome]

Ok but clanker is an awesome anti-robot slur

[manic juniper]

Wtf he's an Orthodox Christian, is this revenge on his Turkish ancestors?

[sharp creek]

yes

[turbid dome]

Mehmed II's work undone

[manic juniper]

Do you know Alex O'Connor and Mohammed Hijab?

[winter echo]

Too many questions
Can you break them down? I dont know which to address first

[sharp creek]

because of what you said , i dont think it will happen..

it wont be that useful in at least five years

and we will still find something interesting to do

[manic juniper]

AI dies if you pour water over it

Meanwhile even some of the weakest mammals can survive that

[turbid dome]

1. Why should your religion under the state matter? 2) How would you contend with the point that Muslims pay Zakat because they choose to be Muslim, whereas Jizya is imposed due to being a religious minority?

[manic juniper]

AI's main goal is to replace inferiority (mammals).
It will succeed because AI is inferior to even the lowest, most pathetic human-created mammal.

This is just further proof of mammalian tendencies to self-destruction.

[sharp creek]

it just a programme ,they will never have their thought forever

[formal pilot]

I bet he won't like Alex, alex avoids being an extremist

[fresh flower]

I will not allow clankers under my roof

[sharp creek]

the advertisement said it like woow ai is gonna have their own minds , they are dangerous

[formal pilot]

And moh hijab is pseudo intellectual

His arguments are filled with logical fallacies

[fresh flower]

He doesn't even wear a hijab

[formal pilot]

This is hilarious

[winter echo]

Why should your religion under the state matter?

Islamic-era logic
In the early Islamic worldview, religion was not a purely private matter — it was deeply tied to legal identity and obligations to the community.
Muslims were one “ummah” with religious and civic duties tied together.
The law for Muslims included zakat, fasting, prayer, and military service if needed.
Non-Muslims under Muslim rule were legally separate communities (dhimmis) with their own courts for family law and religious matters — but since they were exempt from zakat and military service, they had a different civic tax: jizya.
In other words, your religion mattered because it determined which legal system you were in. This wasn’t unique to Islam — the Byzantines, Persians, and medieval European kingdoms also tied tax and law to religious affiliation.

[manic juniper]

Mostly because the video is relevant to what he shared, Mohammed abused YouTube's copyright to censor his opponents

[fresh flower]

I'll use chatgpt to argue here too at this point

[winter echo]

Did anyone stop you?

[manic juniper]

It used to be illegal to use AI to debate here

Aladdin remembers

[sharp creek]

really........

[manic juniper]

How did we end up at the bottom

[sharp creek]

they dont know if i used a ai

[manic juniper]

Yes people even got muted over it

[turbid dome]

Key word: Should

[manic juniper]

There are AIs that detect if you used AI

[turbid dome]

You answered why it did but not should

[sharp creek]

omg

[formal pilot]

It's sad that Muslims haven't produced a good intellectual youtuber/ debater yet, all of them are logical fallacies snorter.

We all can abuse jordan peterson, but he's a good guy to discuss different ideas and philosophical takes

While representing Christianity

[manic juniper]

Ah yes the "Persians" and "medieval European kingdoms" that's extremely specific

I love AI

[turbid dome]

Jordan Peterson is so hilariously bad as a pseudo intellectual that he is funny

[turbid dome]

Also an entirely irrelevant deflection

[formal pilot]

Trust me he's far better than Muslim debaters

[manic juniper]

I would really like to know who did that

[formal pilot]

I might start a yt channel pretending to be muslim

I'd be a good one

[turbid dome]

wdym

[manic juniper]

I don't think they had higher taxes for Christians in Lithuania

[formal pilot]

[manic juniper]

Or lower taxes for Christians in Livonia

[winter echo]

Ask AI I'm tired

[turbid dome]

ahh that's what you mean

[turbid dome]

Of inputting my words into AI?

[manic juniper]

There was straight up discrimination towards Christian minorities, other religions and pagans but I've never heard of different taxes

[turbid dome]

Christians preferred the more straightforward "convert or you'll be persecuted"

[formal pilot]

for the record, i was referring to old jordan petrson, rn he has lost his mind

[manic juniper]

Again?

I thought he recovered after the Twitter ban

[turbid dome]

He never had his mind he just is good at hiding that fact

[formal pilot]

he was asking someone, what do you mean by mean

[turbid dome]

When we engage in a debate how do we know it's a debate? What are the parameters of debate? Can you define debate? Can you define define?

[manic juniper]

What do you mean by resurrection? I don't know bro, MediEvil: Resurrection maybe, the popular Playstation Portable reimagining of PlayStation 1 hit title MediEvil™. Now available to play on PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5! Buy it on the PlayStation Store at no additional costs.

[winter echo]

Why not? you can spend all day debating with him

[turbid dome]

It's useless and like debating the top internet search result, worth nothing and often not accurate

[uncut tiger]

What are y'all talking about

Jordan Peterson?

[winter echo]

@fresh flower

[turbid dome]

yup

[uncut tiger]

This dude ?

[turbid dome]

yess

he was more red tho

[gritty echo]

Kinda fun

[winter echo]

Jordan Peterson the imbecile

[turbid dome]

At least he doesn't use AI to write his dumb arguments

[winter echo]

What the heck are you doing?

[turbid dome]

I don’t think my statement needs any further interpretation it’s pretty clear

[winter echo]

Bro you sourced your questions from AI and you are saying I shouldn't use it?

[turbid dome]

I didn’t use AI though, soooooooo

I’m an anti-AI crusader

[turbid dome]

And I shouldn’t have to clarify this but I’m not talking about the crusades I’m joking about how much I despise AI

[manic juniper]

Ask AI about its meaning

[winter echo]

Wtf What do you take me as?

[cedar bridge]

[turbid dome]

This chat is amazing at taking everything out of context so not just for you

[manic juniper]

Glory to Belarus

[cedar bridge]

It is a Belorussian tractor, why not

Looks weird but still

[winter echo]

Taking things out of context?

[turbid dome]

Yes

[solid sleet]

hi

[winter echo]

🤔

[winter echo]

Hi

[solid sleet]

Hru?

[winter echo]

Fuck, from now on if I don't I have knowledge on something, I won't bother trying to find answers for people

[winter echo]

Where are you from?

[solid sleet]

Singapore

[uncut tiger]

@turbid dome what ai were you talking about?

Or was that js a joke

[turbid dome]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[uncut tiger]

[slender coral]

Yeah.

[uncut tiger]

You mean atheism too lil bro?

[turbid dome]

Atheism is the lack of religion, it’s asymmetrical

[uncut tiger]

How come the lack of religion could be a religion

But the way atheists are out there trying to make other people atheist, it sounds more like a religion itself

[turbid dome]

Because religions require belief in something divine or spiritual. The spread of an idea alone is not religion.

[uncut tiger]

Is atheism an ideology

[turbid dome]

No

[shy summit]

Atheism is merely the absence of reliegion/religious belief

[manic juniper]

Alex received many death threats after debating Mohammed so he stopped debating Islam altogether

[prisma cipher]

I'm isn't students, or fitness, or boxer.

[slender coral]

Wow

[prisma cipher]

They make good tractors. Video is epic

[turbid dome]

classic result of religion debates

[feral river]

they require you follow them without any question and some do fuck you anyway by some stupid ways of calling wars for something doesn't exist like God

and the interest group seize everything profitable from that

and continue to spread that shit propaganda

[turbid dome]

yup, no materialist analysis, just a hierarchy for the sake of power not even based in tangible benefits

[feral river]

besides Judaism 🇮🇱

lmao

[fresh flower]

How do you guys take this thing seriously

[spice bobcat]

Why's Diaz muted

[feral river]

the reality is people follow CCP with question

[fresh flower]

Shush more important topics are being discussed

[fresh flower]

We were joking around in gen chat and he joked about philia

Minecraft you have permission to speak now

[spice bobcat]

Mashallah brother

[slender coral]

Hey @fresh flower, you read the stuff I shared about Islam?

[cedar bridge]

[serene isle]

Ok

[winter echo]

If he belive in himself why don't he ask for a debate with People like Muhammad hijab or mufti menk?

[manic juniper]

Because he'd get death threats

[winter echo]

That's just an excuse

[feral river]

make sense

[slender coral]

For me, and for many people out there, having a conversation with some requires basic respect, and Muslim fundamentalists don't respect those who criticize Islam, nor those who leave it.

[slender coral]

Bruh

[turbid dome]

Who doesn’t love getting death threats

Why doesn’t he want to be harassed? Oh wait, he’s rational enough to not want to die

[feral river]

Join the ICE

[prisma cipher]

Why should they respect them. If I don't wanna respect someone I won't do that.

[fresh flower]

Basic decency must be a foreign concept in China given how you and Mein Kraft behave

[uncut lily]

Lil bro have u read the history of Palestine?

[willow plume]

I partially agree. If someone leaves islam it's religiously legal to unalive them .

[west flax]

do not put the ketchup on the spaghetti or break the spaghetti its an danger crime ..................

[prisma cipher]

I'm not Italian but ketchup just ruins the taste, if you like the taste of ketchup, eat it just like that

[plucky ravine]

This question only for MEN

Are you guys okay to date/marry with a poor girl??

[restive finch]

[olive herald]

d

[lusty zenith]

Would you date/marry a poor man? Same answer

[twin needle]

No.

[tepid solstice]

what if the guy was poor as well

then yes

[twin needle]

You should think and ask yourself who you trust. This girl may be poor, but she is obedient.

[tepid solstice]

Hahaha never

Some are but theyre rare

[twin needle]

and she's may be one of them, why not?

[tepid solstice]

maybe

I grew up poor

My town is 90% poor lol

[twin needle]

Oh.

Well, hardships teach people, so they have bigger minds than adults.

[tepid solstice]

and the rest 10 percent are coal workers they work all day get black lung but they get paid well for what they do

[twin needle]

Is there no other job?

[tepid solstice]

Not at all nowadays it's different

[pallid nimbus]

Uhh guys

Is it illegal to put ketchup on pastas??

[tepid solstice]

What jobs pays 6 figures without needing a school degree

[twin needle]

Hi, Mr/Mrs Sassysimplis_19.

[twin needle]

From what I've seen so far, I can't agree with you.

[twin needle]

I don't know anything about this, but I am sure that studying is an important reward in this life for anyone who wants to make a name for himself in the future.

[tepid solstice]

I dont know how it works in your country

[twin needle]

My manager changed my job from worker to data entry, because of the certificate.

[tepid solstice]

Studing haha yes
but at school or college for sure

[tepid solstice]

I can never do that

[twin needle]

that's right. Also universities.

[tepid solstice]

As long as youre not becoming a scientist or an athlete like that its fine, but a lot of blue collar job pays a lot but people arent down to work cus they for what theyre being told
yes its high risk, high reward and
physically demanded

people go work at the office jobs cus theyre too weak to work their ass off

[twin needle]

Nothing in this life is without effort. Even video games require patience, time, and effort for the player to reach the level they desire.

Fatigue is something in this life that a person must accept, but the question is, what will you get tired of?

[tepid solstice]

Video games? thats made for fun you dont necessarily have to put everything just to progress in there lol

[tepid solstice]

School, paperwroks, computer whatever

[twin needle]

But you pay many days to reach a certain level, right?

[twin needle]

Give the study the right it deserves, believe me it is a very enjoyable thing

[tepid solstice]

Yea but you cant use it as example for the life aspects

[tepid solstice]

the only reason why i go to school is because of my football

Im a division 1

[twin needle]

Knowing that the result is the same, which is (patience to reach the goal), but as you want.

[twin needle]

Well, good luck to you, my friend.

I have to go now.

Have a nice day.

[tepid solstice]

But, you get more chances in video games, you take risk you stake nothing happens much
but life story is different

[tepid solstice]

hago

[plush raft]

[vestal heron]

red

[slender coral]

Non-Muslim women marrying Muslim men are weird. Muslims don't let their women marry outside of faith because they think it would be used to hurt these women or influence them to deconvert, which makes it really interesting because it comes across as they'd do that to women of other faiths considering that they are allowed to do so.

[thorny steeple]

Hii

[uncut tiger]

Hey

[slender coral]

Before some dumbass come at me with some western rhetoric about prejudice I wanna clarify something, individual experience vary, sure. What I'm pointing out is the harmful Islamic worldview that sees people from the lens "us vs them" and women as something that should be conquered, so we can conquer others through their women, and we can't let our women marry and have a connection with a non-Muslim man because no matter how good it goes he is above her just because he is a man.
That's the fucking onga bunga mindset we are often dealing with.

[thorny steeple]

What are you guys discussing?

[uncut tiger]

Idk I just came here

[slender coral]

I just started this topic, nothing was being discussed before it.
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorny steeple]

Oh I see

Would you like to discuss something interesting?

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[slender coral]

If you have something go ahead already and talk about it.

[thorny steeple]

I don't have any idea
But if you have then yeah we can talk about that

[slender coral]

Well, I already said what I wanted to say above. What do you think about it?

[thorny steeple]

It's religious discussion am I right

[slender coral]

🙃

Try to guess

[thorny steeple]

If you don't mind can you please come to muslim vc

[slender coral]

I do mind

Muslim VC sucks honestly. People there tend to approach things in bad faith and speak impolitely.

But I guess that's a normal result of not being used to pushback.

[thorny steeple]

They don't do insult you I swear

[slender coral]

I used to hang out there, I was told I'm not welcomed many times.

If you have a response to the points I raised, you can just give it y'know?

@thorny steeple if you don't mind asking, are you Muslim?

[turbid dome]

Is this the fun Islam debate again?

[chrome saddle]

Seems interesting enough to me

[chrome saddle]

I suppose it would serve to know from what that was said does this worldview stem from, whether it was something stated in the main book or the supporting texts.

This view is not uncommon, or unique to Islam. I’ve encountered this before when stumbling across AFWM memes for the first time. Though I’m not sure niche internet meme culture and the impact of Islamic thought are in the same vein. Forgive the comparison

[turbid dome]

AFWM?

[chrome saddle]

“Asian Female White Male”

[turbid dome]

Oh ok

[viral ravine]

Is Trump a good president?

[chrome saddle]

Only time will tell.

[dense agate]

@feral river he can answer you

[tepid solstice]

No buddy, we have to deport trump

[tepid solstice]

Chinese??? LMAO

[slender coral]

Well, the Quran allowed Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women from people of the book (Christians, jews for example), in the middle of a lot of verses and Hadiths talking about the eternal struggle against non-believers.

Other religions suck, I'm aware of that. But what's special about Islam is how it is a more rigid religion compared to others and how fanaticism related to it is more common and sometimes even tolerated by outsiders.

[feral river]

JOIN THE ICE NOW

HE NEED A LAW THAT CONSCRIPT EVERYBODY A PERMANENT DUTY TO ICE IN EVERY AGE SINCE THEY HAVE BORN

AND DEPORT EVERY TERRORISTS

🇺🇸 MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

EMPEROR TRUMP 1ST

[chrome saddle]

lol 😅

[thorny steeple]

For a long and glorious ruling they say lol

[feral river]

SAY IT

🇺🇸 MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

[winter echo]

Anyone who wants to debate religion should go to VC

[thorny steeple]

And a great Republic as the founding fathers intended

[winter echo]

Go to VC

[feral river]

AMERICA WILL BE GREAT AGAIN IF EVERYBODY WAS AN ICE MEMBER

MARCH TO THE LA

MARCH MARCH MARCH

🇺🇸

[thorny steeple]

Sure sure lol

[chrome saddle]

If everyone was an ICE member, I don’t think they would self-report. You’d need ICE members for other ICE members.

[chrome saddle]

As it would appear, they say they’ve been told they weren’t welcome in Muslim VC. If you wouldn’t want to see religious discussions in plain text, I can understand that, but I feel it would fit in #🧠｜serious-chat just like any other topic, no?

[sharp creek]

hahahaahahah

crazy

[thorny steeple]

Yeppers

[slender coral]

@chrome saddle are you American?

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/oddworld-abes-odyssey-cinematic-platformer-gif-23278595

[thorny steeple]

Oi what's this?

[manic juniper]

Oddworld: Abe's Oddyssee

[thorny steeple]

By the graphics it seems like a 90s and how's it like?

[manic juniper]

Yes, it's late 90s

[formal pilot]

so much racism on internet

[slender coral]

Internet without racism is like penis without balls.

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[manic juniper]

My fault ever since I got a broadband connection in 2014

[uncut tiger]

that sounds oddly accurate

[thorny steeple]

Serious chat is not series at all

[storm cave]

“serious chat” 🥀

[slender coral]

If you have something serious to discuss, just bring it up.

[slender coral]

I talked about this earlier and no one addressed it.

[storm cave]

why we being aggressive debil?

[slender coral]

Because every once in a while someone comes and says this milked unfunny joke

Without introducing something to talk about

[storm cave]

Debil

Im new, and the first thing I see is you talking about penis and racism

[slender coral]

Ok ok I'm sowwy

[storm cave]

Maybe I should’ve guessed that using the wilted flower emoji was a common habit here and maybe I should’ve predicted that it was a “milked joke”, sorry for not being an oracle

[slender coral]

It's just annoying because we always have someone saying that around here.

[storm cave]

Now

[storm cave]

I couldnt have f guessed?😭

[slender coral]

Not the flower emoji, but the “serious chat” joke.

[slender coral]

I didn't know you are new 😭😭😭😭

[storm cave]

And maybe if thats something that is an usual occurrence there’s a need of questioning 👀

[storm cave]

all good

[slender coral]

@storm cave I saw your pfp on the server before so I thought you are an old member. What manga/anime is the image from?

[storm cave]

idk i just searched “pfp” im ngl 😂😂😂

wait imma try to find the source

[feral river]

Only person who have SSN was applicable to be an ICE member

And if we add surveillance cameras with face recognition across the America we can do it

🇺🇸

If they don’t want to be deported, they can be reeducated to know how to be a great American by praising the leadership without any question

[storm cave]

“praising the leadership”

ohno

[feral river]

Do you think trump will get elected a third time ? YES or NO

NO you will face serious consequences

The way would work

[storm cave]

well 2 mandates being the maximum as of now no

[thorny steeple]

NO

[storm cave]

but imagining there’s a 3rd mandate derogation

[feral river]

You are sentenced to deport

[storm cave]

it depends on who he is going against

Kamala would certainly lose again

[thorny steeple]

Wdymmm bro I'm a true amerikaner who doesn't support trump lmao

[feral river]

Remember, Trump could deport American

Loyal or deportation

[feral river]

Nah that’s a joke lmao

[thorny steeple]

IkIk lmao

[feral river]

I don’t support Trump deport anyone he want including Americans

[thorny steeple]

Doubt 🧐

[feral river]

Besides terrorists and terrorism supporters

[storm cave]

Imo the US are not ready for a woman’s leadership and even less if she’s a colored person

[feral river]

That make sense

I don’t even think a person from minor group was qualified to be the president of the country

[storm cave]

“qualified”🥀

[feral river]

But that could be the case in America

[storm cave]

depends on their education

a person that comes from a minority could do good and could do bad as much as a regular candidate

[feral river]

Really doubt that I assume they would only work for their agenda and their own group

And they can’t represent the American nation in that case

[storm cave]

1. thats why education is for, knowing that there’s more than what you’ve always known
2. Politics actually only work for their own group’s interests

[feral river]

You can’t educate a minor to become the majority besides they got assimilated or becoming another color ?

I don’t think so

You can’t change your ethnicity or race by being educated

[storm cave]

Why would you educate the minority to become the majority in the first place?

[feral river]

If not they do represent their own group which is a very terrible situation for majority of the people

[storm cave]

But a great situation for the country’s growth

[feral river]

That’s political manipulation if such person could be a candidate

[feral river]

A person from majority group was qualified to achieve growth

[storm cave]

How can you pretend that a country is evolving if it’s manners, laws, habits, economic issues are one wayed ?

[plain ether]

What was the last empire

[storm cave]

depends on what you mean by empire ig

[feral river]

the only perspective to identify if a country is developed is evaluating from the general productivity

Regardless of what issue you have, the productivity represent your development status

[storm cave]

general productivy also implies other issues, and the resolving of issues is what should be measured for country’s growth

[feral river]

A higher rank civilization do higher economic output as well as the productivity is higher

[storm cave]

alr so let me get that straight

[feral river]

Yeah but general productivity represent everything

You have to make a point that was related to productivity, to say how it was appropriate or not

[marsh tapir]

Hello

Time for some serious chat

[storm cave]

for you, no matter if in 100 years your country falls because of natural disasters and biological issues (which has happened way more these last few years), and that the same country will reach a 0 point productivity, it doesnt matter as long as of now there’s a peak productivity?

for centuries countries and empires based their growth on investments over time and not immediate productivity

[feral river]

That doesn’t matter if they doesn’t exist anymore

[storm cave]

that with colonizations, invasions and technological development

[slender coral]

Hey. What would you like to discuss?

[storm cave]

but its people will still exist ?

[feral river]

With enough productivity you could destroy everything that happened in the past

[marsh tapir]

Hmm, you go first

[feral river]

Yeah but not under that empire but some minor states which doesn’t have any power

And could be destroyed easily

[storm cave]

yea but comparing growth of today to growth of the past only gets you to make mistakes that werent made before

[feral river]

What exactly mistake that made today we use stones and axes to hunt stuff instead ordering food in a restaurant ?

The general growth of productivity wasn’t driving by the factors you mentioned since it doesn’t matter

[storm cave]

IA issues potential, environmental issues, minority enslavements are almost all neo-issues that werent made before and instead of trying to find a potential solution to that we just boost productivity for the sake of money?

[storm cave]

the thing is you’re just productivity-centered

[feral river]

What exactly economic output decreased from that

If it doesn’t disturb the output as well as the productivity are these problems ?

[feral river]

the only perspective to identify if a country is developed is evaluating from the general productivity

[storm cave]

Economically the growth is having a huge up, but it implies a future huge down, there’s gonna be negative externalities like health costs due to polution, a social unrest leading to health issues as well.
Also this “economic growth” only profits a small group of a state compared to the majority which will be suffering without a doubt.
The new issues such as IA potential issues and what I said earlier will directly threaten the stability of the economic growth and it’s expansion by causing major problems such as hate waves, environmental degradation, and social disparity

Reality is we are in a capitalist world as of now 2025 and you’ve got completely submerged by it and drank what you heard on economic growth being the #1 priority like a robotic citizen without questionning what issues it could potentially provoke for your kids and more generally speaking future generations
It’s never pleasing to heard, but there WILL BE huge consequences to our today’s decisions in a near future that will impact the world’s economy and stability

Im getting hungry

😭

[feral river]

What exactly economic output decreased from that

Nah right ? So it doesn’t matter neither it was an issue

[marsh tapir]

🍿

[feral river]

An excuse of those minors will be unwilling to be conscripted to the nation’s military would be even more making sense for national interest

Even it was not an economic issue

[thorny steeple]

Everything is sucks im fed up fr

Can u just sybau

[feral river]

I read the history of Israel yeah

[storm cave]

renovation costs from environmental issues? Such as a lot of burning in many forests of France due to the overheating of the planet?
Or even the LA fires which costs prepare yourself :

• 350M $ for public infrastructure
• 25B $ for palisades fire (which includes private property impact)
• 40B $ for the rebuilding a whooping 12,000 destroyed/damaged structures
• 95 to 250M$ for total property and capital losses (with indirect losses)
• 250M$-270M$ high end projection for total rebuilding costs
• and 164B$ says the UCLA’s for combined disaster damage.

all of it is an estimated 275B$ estimate.

Now those catastrophes have happened and WILL happen due to our overconsumption and our lack of discipline and rigorous habits of production, which will lead to more massive losses and endanger the economic’s growth stability, as well as hurt many people (the LA fire killed 31 people and an estimated 440 fatalities indirect from it)

If you think that the lose of ~4.3% of federal budget can be covered, that’s your own thing, but don’t expect USA citizens to pay hundreds of dollars of taxes just because you made the wrong decision (as the LA fire would’ve needed an augmentation of $800+ in taxes/citizen.

[formal pilot]

I ain't reading aladat

[storm cave]

i wasnt talking to you btw so you’re good

To be fair I kinda have a thing against the actual Islam’s interpretation

[storm cave]

well some of its interpretations

[feral river]

Well that wasn’t a waste, productivity is continous

[storm cave]

“that wasnt a waste”

alr you know what I can’t argue with someone who’s just dumb 😭

[feral river]

There wasn’t such concept of if we spend all of the money that equivalent to all of the total GDPs we will out of everything

The productivity is continuous as long as the demand exists

[storm cave]

that has NOTHING to do with what I just said, as a dumb politician you just change the subject with a straight 10th grader economic class

[feral river]

You may lost some property from disaster that was created by human but don’t forgot how much productivity they generate from that

If the number is above one another you can take actions like prevent the disaster from happening or just don’t give a fuck

Also you need higher productivity to settle those issues

[storm cave]

No. The burnings were a major step back for development. And Im talking material-wise and also humanly wise

[feral river]

How does that make sense if we prevent disasters by shutting down everything ? No

That does not make sense at all

[storm cave]

Anyway as I said, I quit, I don’t want to argue with someone who thinks humans are almighty

Have a nice one that was interesting nonetheless! ty for your opinion!

🩵

[feral river]

Human is the most superior species on earth

Don’t blame yourself on this point

We are entitled to dominate everything by our absolute force

[feral river]

If you developed yourself which does not affected by fires, it doesn’t matter for the general productivity

[hollow spear]

[feral river]

Actually regardless of what you are thinking, the elites and capitalists and bureaucrats would consider stuff in my way

And they rule the country

[storm cave]

she coming

[marsh tapir]

Chat looking like a wikipedia page

[storm cave]

soon trust

she heard your call through the universe

ill check from time to time dw

[sharp creek]

you fkkk bad man

where are you from

im from malaysia
what about you

why are you so friendly

why you can use english well. i learn it for a long long long time

[viscid ferry]

nope. No one can implicate you with ugliness

[sharp creek]

what is reels

ohh i see

[viscid ferry]

if you are a kid dont watch reels.

[near thunder]

ohh hi! lemme join this convo

[sharp creek]

good to see you guys

[sharp creek]

its not prevailing here

[near thunder]

yeaah too!

we're neighbors btw

[sharp creek]

let me think

singapore???

im not