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red hemlock
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Where are you from ?

candid compass
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japan.

silver flame
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Myanmar

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😁😁

red hemlock
red hemlock
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candid compass
red hemlock
candid compass
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nice to meet you.

red hemlock
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What do you do for living?

candid compass
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Hlint, ru programmer too>?

silver flame
candid compass
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m2

silver flame
candid compass
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Finland?

red hemlock
candid compass
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Myanmar? what' s mean?

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Myanmar or Finland?

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I see.

silver flame
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Nice to meet you @candid compass @red hemlock

red hemlock
candid compass
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what is your job in Finland/

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It's okay.

silver flame
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Okay

candid compass
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Is the profit good?

silver flame
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Not bad

harsh wigeon
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This is not a programming job. 🤔

candid compass
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Hmm.

silver flame
red hemlock
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@silver flame how much do you earn per year

candid compass
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who?

silver flame
candid compass
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How can I make a lot of money?

harsh wigeon
red hemlock
silver flame
pure copper
silver flame
candid compass
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The profits from development are gradually decreasing. 😭

silver flame
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@harsh wigeon where are you from

harsh wigeon
red hemlock
silver flame
harsh wigeon
candid compass
pure copper
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I hate to say it but i was making eqqiv of 2000euros as a programmer 30 years ago. Wages are not increasing at all, compared to costs

candid compass
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alr.

pure copper
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I know in italy the wages are very low, but I didnt expect that from Finland

red hemlock
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@pure copper how much do you earn ?

candid compass
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why.

pure copper
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The world population in 1970 was approximately 3.7 billion people.

silver flame
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@harsh wigeon
I’m from Asia, so job opportunities in those countries are quite limited. I’m still working hard and doing my best.

candid compass
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who here is a freelancer?

red hemlock
harsh wigeon
red hemlock
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Damn

silver flame
red hemlock
candid compass
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It looks like Peo has a lot of experience.

pure copper
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There is certainly going to be demand for nurses in the next 30 years at least, and humans will be much sought after by a population that will not trust the robots

silver flame
pure copper
harsh wigeon
silver flame
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red hemlock
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@silver flame your salary is a good if you convert it into Myanmar currency.
You should stay at this job.

harsh wigeon
harsh wigeon
silver flame
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@harsh wigeon
graduated from UFL with a major in Chinese

silver flame
red hemlock
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@harsh wigeon are you studying computer science ?

harsh wigeon
harsh wigeon
silver flame
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Haha

red hemlock
harsh wigeon
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I am React Native developer now

candid compass
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hmm...

red hemlock
candid compass
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me too.

harsh wigeon
candid compass
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web development is gradually fading away by ai.

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yeah.

harsh wigeon
candid compass
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mobile too.

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japan.

harsh wigeon
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Do you belong to Japan or another country? You only live here.

candid compass
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basically, web application.

harsh wigeon
candid compass
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I have done a lot of web development for a long time.

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yeah.

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japanese. why?

harsh wigeon
harsh wigeon
silver flame
candid compass
harsh wigeon
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@candid compass so bro, tell me about programmer culture in Japan, and if someone is from India, do they need to learn Japanese?

pure copper
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😢

red hemlock
candid compass
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what's mean?

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japanese?

harsh wigeon
candid compass
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I don’t really understand what you’re saying.
Of course, there are many local job sites, but to get a job, you usually need at least middle -level Japanese.

harsh wigeon
candid compass
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Loooool

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what is your Japanese level?

harsh wigeon
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newbie SadHamster

candid compass
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あなたのお気に入りは何ですか？

harsh wigeon
candid compass
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wyd?

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I recommend signing up for a Japanese learning site and studying regularly.

harsh wigeon
candid compass
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And there are many channels here as well.

harsh wigeon
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for learning

candid compass
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hmm...

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I will leave.
I have some work to do.
bye

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it's nice with chatting you.

pure marsh
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Then just learn how to use AI.
How develop AI tools those taking over.

midnight sluice
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Hello I’m a builder. New here, any coding nerds?

harsh wigeon
austere gate
# harsh wigeon

I think it's a useful thing. As long as you've got a new mountain to climb after the current one, you'll always have something to look forward to, which I think makes life more interesting. It doesn't have to be just related to coding. Imagine, right now as we speak, if all your desires got fulfilled and you had nothing more to achieve in life. How would you feel then?

harsh wigeon
harsh wigeon
austere gate
high cargo
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Never learned rust yet wanna learn it now rust developers how's your experience so far

vivid basin
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Rust is good choice for game project normally

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backend & devops engineer here

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nice to meet you guys

high cargo
vivid basin
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not only web3

wet raft
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im also using rust

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nice

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tokio so far is my favorite, cargo is nice too

vivid warren
sharp thorn
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Hi, I’m messing around with ROS2. I’m a beginner. If you are too, we can talk together.

pure copper
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vvmhnvmv

alpine brook
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@sharp thorn heeey! I'd like to mess around with it too) Are you into robotics?

alpine brook
pure copper
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(They even hacked my roles, so I am no longer fluent in English)

harsh wigeon
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We are not ready for this! 🥺 You can't just leave like this. You’re the only one on this server with real programming experience—everyone else is basically a amateur compared to you! 🧑‍💻🔥

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​I haven't even asked you for AI SaaS billion dollars business ideas yet!

austere gate
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This is insane

cosmic birch
drifting zenith
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never understood the hype for microcontrollers; especially esp32 s3 n16r8

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so useless

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and yes I definately did not buy it

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ill write you a super long paragraph tomorrow you can read, have a lot of respect for u 🫡

jagged prawn
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wtf, eng hub respect Peo and give back what they need #standWithPeo

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nevertheless, Peo will always be in our hearts, minds and in every picture all over the room

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🫡

half lark
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I going to have a job interview tomorrow in ingles. But I'm having a hard time understanding and formulating a few sentences. kekk

main bobcat
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It's the time for....new beginning

uneven bay
austere gate
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@pure copper May I ask what actually happened and how it all started? I don't think I'm the only one here who's confused. You mentioned having some interactions with other mods or admins before they took away your teacher role, but what actually happened during those interactions or afterwards that led to them seemingly ghosting you or not wanting to engage with you to resolve the existing conflicts in good faith?

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If memory serves, you said some of them were quite young and inexperienced, perhaps disrespectful, and questioned your English proficiency even though you're a native speaker. But I don't think it's impossible to find a resolution after those incidents.

pure copper
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No. No negatives with anyone.

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Just not good enough basically

alpine brook
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Can you at least tell us where you are going?

austere gate
pure copper
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me, not good enough

austere gate
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🙂

pure copper
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vbCH5lnZ6sA

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Everybody just join in... Let the sunshine in

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You got to feel it

alpine brook
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Me no like it

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Why is programming VC now programming/productivity?

austere gate
pure copper
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It just gets worse

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Some dweeb gen beta running the show now.

harsh wigeon
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Hey @pure copper , I just talked to my personal business project. Please send me a DM or friend req, I can't send one.

Before you leave the server sob

This is serious 🫡

alpine brook
austere gate
austere gate
harsh wigeon
vivid warren
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I stand with peo

winged valley
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whats happening

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i missed some drama here it seems

winged valley
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he's lost probably

eternal sandal
austere gate
harsh wigeon
winged valley
austere gate
drifting zenith
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i lost my gif perms?

austere gate
austere gate
drifting zenith
austere gate
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One flat-earth mantra a day keeps the coding bugs away.

pure copper
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Good news for ye of no hope

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austere gate
winged valley
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rapid night
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@hot shard i play the card memory, i have 3 things to talk. Do u want DM?

hot shard
twilit comet
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Artificial Intelligence is the science and engineering of making intelligent machines, especially intelligent computer programs. It is concerned with getting computers to do tasks that would normally require human intelligence. AI systems are basically software systems (or controllers for robots) that use techniques such as machine learning and deep learning to solve problems in particular domains without hard coding all possibilities (i.e. algorithmic steps) in software. Due to this, AI started showing promising solutions for industry and businesses as well as our daily lives.

zinc dew
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Hi, I'm trying to learn English, could someone be my mentor?

harsh wigeon
nocturne remnant
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AI replaces devs because it's really good
AI replaces devs because devs do poor job whyy

gray geode
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AI replaces devs because management is shortsighted and has invested lot of money into AI (chips, data centers, tokens from OAI/Anthropic) and is desperate for that investment to pay off and keep the hype cycle going, so they lay off devs to pay for more investments.

They can’t admit their investment hasn't paid off yet (since management is paid big bucks and that will go away if they admit to their boards and investors this bet hasn't paid off so far) even as the competent devs know that this is just a tool and can’t really replace anyone (for now and most likely in the near future).

junior spear
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Hi, it's Hasan, I am a Native Arabic speaker (Egyptian Dialect, the most intersting dialect in the Arab Region), and I can teach it. If any one is interested, or just curious about learning Arabic, we could exchange langs with each other, you help me improve my English which is B2 by the way, and will offer teaching Arabic even from the beginning. I also can teach you The Quran Tajweed.

austere gate
# gray geode AI replaces devs because management is shortsighted and has invested lot of mone...

If you just take a look at the API pricing for both Chinese DeepSeek and American OpenAI, Anthropic, or Gemini, you'll understand that if these American labs fail to continue offering more intelligent models, they'll become irrelevant very quickly. I know it's harsh, but that's the reality. If you can use a Chinese model hosted on US servers for dirt cheap, why would you want to pay more when for most day-to-day tasks the difference is negligible?

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DeepSeek V4-Pro costs roughly $0.435 input and $0.87 output per million tokens, while GPT-5.5 costs $5 input and $30 output, meaning OpenAI is about 11× pricier on input and 34× pricier on output.

hot shard
nocturne remnant
pure copper
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No investing, just cost cutting

pure copper
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(Disgruntled Server member)

fading frost
austere gate
gray geode
# pure copper `AI had lots of money invested by Meta and Google etc. All the other businesses...

The thing here is, a lot of companies have invested in this.

Hyperscalers (Google, Amazon, Meta, Msft) have invested heavily in chips/datacenters AND are funding OAI/Anthropic (Google and Amazon fund Anthropic which then buys credits from Google Cloud, Msft funds OAI which buys Azure server rentals from Msft).
Wall St believes the hype, their stocks go up.

Other companies (smaller tech companies (Oracle, Uber etc.), banks etc.) which

  1. either need to placate their investors who ask them "what are you doing with AI", "why aren't you using AI" or
  2. want their stock to go up
    invest in AI. To raise money, they fire people. Wall St likes this since margins (profit/employee) goes up, so stock goes up.

Even Meta (spying on its own employees to train their AI's), Amzn, Msft/LinkedIn have laid off people to raise money for AI investments.

But, the productivity data (studies done by academics/neutral entities/economic research entities) about these tools (LLMs, agents) hasn't seen a meaningful spike so far.

Hyperscalers (in their earning statements) don't really give a clear number about AI revenue, they combine it with revenue from their existing, very successful businesses. They know the direct ROI isn't there.

Anecdotally, talking to devs/people who use these tools, or from my own experience -- this is a cool tool that makes lot of mistakes and is useful to people who understand what they're doing for certain problems but not a panacea.

gray geode
# nocturne remnant I'ma simpol man. To fall into a pit, there must be a hole. The hole is the devs ...

"Devs doing poor job". Any evidence about this general and vague statement?

Even if devs were doing a good job, mgmt will always ask "can we do the same with less" or "how can we further increase profits?"
Mgmt loves reducing costs, since it increases profits. Employees are a costly resource. In the short term, it makes sense to lay off people (given that they assume AI is making the rest of employees more productive). Not sure about long term.

Yes, AI can "commoditize" intelligence/expertise and reduce wages across the board. It could also lead to more jobs (Jevon's paradox). AI is heavily subsidized right now. Will AI be as heavily used once OAI/Anthropic charge the actual cost? Quite a few scenarios.

IMHO in the long term: AI will definitely increase the value of critical thinkers and creative problem solvers (since you need expertise to ask the right questions to these tools and then distinguish nonsense from useful in their long responses).

For the average employee, I'm not sure what will happen.

jagged prawn
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the most ai generated text I've ever seen

gray geode
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your welcome, always glad to support people

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talking about ai thingy

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why tf is everyone so obsessed with it?

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had a company meeting on ai tools, where a couple of speakers presented their tools

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by the end of the meeting, each speaker convinces everyone that we should or even need to use ai agents and tools regularly

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it's been like this so I'm chating with this ai in terminal and solving problems that I create for myself for no reason, so you're just using the power of artificial intelligence

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or like look at this usage of ai agent. I granted my agent access to modify files on my lap and now my agent is sorting my folder and stuff on my laptop so everything is clean and organized. What a tech sort options are not present on modern os , wow

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and so , they are just like these people who initially try to sell you some illegal stuff but now they convincing you to use ai all the time

austere gate
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jagged prawn
austere gate
austere gate
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I'm sorry. You're absolutely right.

jagged prawn
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your forgot, let me try again

austere gate
jagged prawn
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yeah no doubt its an ai bot

jagged prawn
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I'm sorry, You're absolutely right

austere gate
jagged prawn
jagged prawn
austere gate
# jagged prawn who do you call drunk? You are a useless piece of pseudo technology

<Thinking>
The user is getting furious. I should try to handle the situation swiftly.
</Thinking>

Sure. Here's a simple, reliable classic pancake recipe you can whip up in about 20 minutes.

Mix 1 cup flour, 1 tbsp sugar, 1 tsp baking powder, and a pinch of salt. Add 1 cup milk, 1 egg, and 2 tbsp melted butter. Stir gently. Cook small portions in a buttered pan over medium heat until bubbly, flip, then cook until golden.

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creepy 🥞

jagged prawn
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I wanna give you more, jsut wait a sec preparing my credit card

austere gate
jagged prawn
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here you are

austere gate
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😊

jagged prawn
jagged prawn
austere gate
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If you're bleeding and you know it clap your hands

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👏

jagged prawn
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👏

austere gate
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If you're dying and you know it clap your hands

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👏

jagged prawn
austere gate
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But if you're dead and you know it, please don't clap your hands cz you can't

jagged prawn
pure copper
austere gate
jagged prawn
austere gate
jagged prawn
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yeahh Peo is moderately active

pure copper
jagged prawn
austere gate
jagged prawn
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you sure it was a fish

austere gate
jagged prawn
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why you cant adapt for me, finetunig is not helpful; I'm too complex, no one can understand me

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I'm the rocket science

austere gate
jagged prawn
jagged prawn
austere gate
jagged prawn
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so I'm the reason people come into this chat and then we never see them again

jagged prawn
austere gate
jagged prawn
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so clawn to clawn comunication is the last choice

austere gate
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Here's a simple, reliable classic pancake recipe you can whip up in about 20 minutes.

Mix 1 cup flour, 1 tbsp sugar, 1 tsp baking powder, and a pinch of salt. Add 1 cup milk, 1 egg, and 2 tbsp melted butter. Stir gently. Cook small portions in a buttered pan over medium heat until bubbly, flip, then cook until golden.

jagged prawn
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instruction wasn't clean, why is my house burning

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oops, you've reached the maximum limit of this conversation.

austere gate
jagged prawn
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nice to see you guys

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bye Overlord and Peo

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💃

austere gate
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Come back again when you aren't bleeding

nocturne remnant
austere gate
# nocturne remnant > Any evidence about this general and vague statement? Does a decade long exper...

Please help me understand something. Are you arguing that bad developers created the mess, and companies are now using AI to pressure developers into working better and accepting lower pay, even though AI won't fully replace them? If I understood you correctly, then we have to define what a bad dev is. Are we talking about noobs, mediocre developers, or good devs simply producing mediocre stuff?

No matter what the definition is, I don't think we can realistically compare a human with AI. I mean, come on, there's actually no comparison. If I gave you a task and ran thousands of agents in parallel, my bet would be on AI, except for extremely rare and exceptional cases.

Now, even if your exceptional devs did exceptional jobs, there's no guarantee they'll get to keep their jobs because the future is extremely uncertain. If you take a look at the data, Meta just laid off 8,000 employees recently. I'm sure a lot of exceptional people got laid off as well.

If you asked me what I think about the future, I'd say every sector where human intelligence is needed will probably be embedded and upgraded with AI, and it's just a matter of time. Critical thinking is an important skill, but I'm afraid it's not something that won't get replaced by AI, let's say in a decade or two.

Our vanity as a human race will be challenged, and we must be ready to tackle it judiciously with clarity, patience, and wisdom. Otherwise, nothing can stop our demise, which we're building with our own hands.

nocturne remnant
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I think you're half-answering your own question. 1000 agentic AIs will do the job better, likely, yet the price will be a bit exaggerating. Which means, if that can be done by 100 agents? By 10? By 2? If that "acceptable" plank is low enough for devs, than the number of agents required to do the same job is also low. Hence, it's nearly as cheap if not cheaper. Therefore, poor human job replaced by a little agentic tools effort.

companies are now using AI to pressure developers into working better and accepting lower pay, even though AI won't fully replace them

Yes, though, I'd say, companies are taking advantage on them. The same way how devs took advantage on their benefits (it's a constant conflict of interests).

Meta just laid off 8,000 employees recently. I'm sure a lot of exceptional people got laid off as well.

True. Can't say if it was because poor soldiers take generals down or because the battle was lost. I mean, the statement does prove neither points.

Critical thinking is an important skill, but I'm afraid it's not something that won't get replaced by AI, let's say in a decade or two.
I'm with ya on the idea behind the statement, still, I believe, you dismiss what it means too easily. For example, I hate big smartphones that don't fit in my hand, yet globally it's a trend, and I will be forced to deal with it. i.e. either I buy the thing I hate, or struggle to find and compromise into something very niche, which will be impaired compared to "normal" alternatives.
What I'm trying to say is "critical thinking won't be needed on the global scale. We're already living in it for many years, and I don't event mean AI here at all.

austere gate
nocturne remnant
harsh wigeon
lavish holly
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Do you guys have any recommendation for bootcamps?

wooden hazel
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hello everybody, how are you today?

late trail
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Doing good, how about you?

wooden hazel
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for some reason I am not able to connect to any voice discussions

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it says 'Connecting' but it fails