🧠｜serious-chat

[shy summit]

You too @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Wdym bro

[shy summit]

Oh nvm

[feral river]

Lmao

[thorny steeple]

Son of Vegemite

[feral river]

Who told you that lmao

[thorny steeple]

652 never ages

[lime cobalt]

We are in an era that leans more towards a diplomatic approach rather than aggression.

[quaint dune]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-jax-teller-smiling-cute-sons-of-anarchy-gif-17862895851950532103

[feral river]

Your diplomatic position depends on the strength of your country

[manic juniper]

Okay, what kind of diplomacy worked with Serbia in the late 90s then?

[feral river]

If your country is weak as fuck, you have no diplomacy

[lime cobalt]

yes i mean us diplomatic

[manic juniper]

I'm waiting for your answer

[quaint dune]

LET HIM COOK

[thorny steeple]

Indeed answers take long time we don't need a paragraph lmao

[feral river]

US won’t give a fuck to some random african area with shit land of nothing

And their diplomacy, was fucked because their position

How to get diplomacy as a minor power

[manic juniper]

You need just few words
BOMBING OF YUGOSLAVIA

[feral river]

Get a nuclear weapon

See how North Korea is on the stage of diplomacy

[thorny steeple]

Yeah
-# Yugoslavia never should have broken up

[lime cobalt]

im talking about curent situation, ukraine dont go to other topic please

[whole beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/oil-war-usa-gif-26692069

[feral river]

Diplomacy comes to your hands, once you have the power to destroy the entire world

[feral river]

What a perfect counter-terrorism operation

[manic juniper]

I was, you legit are talking about completely different scenarios, scenarios where diplomacy is an option. Not here.

[quaint dune]

Oh, Nice, I understand everything 👏👏

[thorny steeple]

No heck that's why I supporter Saddam once y'know
-# This user is under FBI investigation · Read More

[whole beacon]

Wat a perfect racist

They killed 2.1 million civilian

Wtf are u saying

[feral river]

They should regret they didn’t remove all of the terrorists in that region before retreat

[whole beacon]

Ur fkn mad

[thorny steeple]

Nah bro that's WW2 levels high crazy in 1991

[feral river]

Or simply they don’t have to retreat from there

[whole beacon]

I forgot, mine loves mao-zedong
Makes sense

[lime cobalt]

its not being surrender, its abaut prevent more death.

[thorny steeple]

Indeed Make Nabi great again lol

[manic juniper]

Yes, destroying their army will prevent more death

[feral river]

Now they are paying for it, crazy

[manic juniper]

How did diplomacy work out for Chechnya? Or Georgia?

[whole beacon]

Mine as in minecraft Chinese guy
Don't get me wrong

[feral river]

We won’t miscalculate this and we will conduct any necessary operations to counter terrorism

[manic juniper]

How did diplomacy work out for Ukraine between 2014 and 2022?

[feral river]

Long Live for War on Terror

[thorny steeple]

Alright distinction cleared lol

[lime cobalt]

impossible

[thorny steeple]

Went terrific y'know

[manic juniper]

Very easy actually

[thorny steeple]

Look at Iceland

[lime cobalt]

wtf do u want nuke war

[manic juniper]

Didn't say that anywhere

[feral river]

Their gdp, was lower than one of our province

And an american state

[manic juniper]

What do you think of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia? They mistakenly destroyed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade

[shy summit]

Oh boy

[feral river]

We think they deliberately destroyed our embassy and we did nothing

Because, there isn’t much counter measures we can do

We can’t bomb an american embassy because of that

[lime cobalt]

It is clear that this is what Russia will do, they are already prepared for it, without you having to say it.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah and China wasn't happy

[feral river]

And btw we should not escalate based on that, and that’s my opinion

[manic juniper]

By that logic any country with nukes is free to act as they wish

[feral river]

Being crazy on one embassy is madness

Just few people, let the guy in mainland do the propaganda work

[thorny steeple]

True doesn't China have nukes

[feral river]

That’s all enough

[lime cobalt]

you said, you want to destroy their army

[manic juniper]

Yes

[manic juniper]

Who ever used nuclear weapons to destroy an army? Lol

[thorny steeple]

In the capacity to use them like the Americans or Russians

[thorny steeple]

Yeah just get a tank regiment

[feral river]

United States of America

[manic juniper]

Didn't they target civilians

[lime cobalt]

what do u mean, who sent army ?

[feral river]

Well industrial centers and cities mostly

[thorny steeple]

To end the war they say

[manic juniper]

??? You mentioned "army"

[feral river]

And btw I believe we did drop a nuclear bomb to kill an active army in Xinjiang in the 60s

That’s a conspiracy theory and I think that’s true

[lime cobalt]

yess, who sent it to destroy russian army ? its not come from nothing, please use your logic

[thorny steeple]

Soviet - sino war or skirmish in the 60s post Soviet-sino split

[manic juniper]

In English please

[feral river]

A Uyghur separatist army actively plundering our organization in Xinjiang, and they suddenly disappear which matches the time of one of our nuclear test

Is that a coincidence ? Or ?

[lime cobalt]

who sent it europe ? or us ?

[manic juniper]

Sent what 😭

US is out of the equation, they are ok with Russia now

[thorny steeple]

Damn they drop a damn nuke to eliminate an army post WW2

[lime cobalt]

you said u destroy russian army is easy

with what ?

[feral river]

That’s a conspiracy theory, and nobody knows if that’s true

[manic juniper]

With any European military and their planes and armoured vehicles

[thorny steeple]

The mystery deepens

[lime cobalt]

enough reason to use nuke

simple

[manic juniper]

Nonsense

Why don't India and Pakistan nuke each other then
Why doesn't Israel nuke Gaza
Why didn't USA nuke Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq

[thorny steeple]

Yeah solving problems

[thorny steeple]

Realpolitik lol

[feral river]

I don’t think that will work if they just nuke what they wanted to nuke

[lime cobalt]

what nonsense, why they make it if not use it

[feral river]

There was a LOT diplomacy maneuvers in any of these events between SUPERPOWERS

[manic juniper]

Last resort

[feral river]

If there was only one superpower and great power which is the US

They can nuke anyone they want

[thorny steeple]

Indeed a nuke should always be a last resort

[thorny steeple]

That's things are rusting in silos being replaced

[lime cobalt]

do u think putin care about that

[gaunt bronze]

trump needs to be beat up ❤️

[manic juniper]

Yes

Or he would've used it already

On Kyiv

[feral river]

If he don’t care you won’t be on earth rn

Neither im

[thorny steeple]

Go Miss Canada, Canada's great super Hero

[feral river]

Canada is nothing

[gaunt bronze]

I’m legit going to beat him up

He’s such a meanie

[thorny steeple]

Nah they have oil and minerals

[feral river]

Waiting to be annexed by the US possibly

[thorny steeple]

Indeed tariffs are on today y'know

[gaunt bronze]

Ofc this person comes here out of nowhere 😭

[gaunt bronze]

well obviously 💀

[thorny steeple]

Yeah it happens lmao

[feral river]

Oh yeah perfect place to expand their interest

They have oil and minerals nice

And where’s their nuclear arsenals

[thorny steeple]

Indeed f trump but I barely believe Canada's economy can handle it with ease

[gaunt bronze]

Do u acc think that’s happening 💀

[feral river]

They don’t have one right ?

[gaunt bronze]

well ofc itll hurt but well survive

It’s bad but not killer

[feral river]

I don’t think it will happen soon, but it should be one the path

[gaunt bronze]

r u stupid

[feral river]

A weak country with vast territory and resources

[thorny steeple]

Indeed it will survive

[gaunt bronze]

it’s not happening

[feral river]

You will see if it will happen or not

[thorny steeple]

51st state ha a reality maybe 🧐

[feral river]

National interest above all

[gaunt bronze]

obv our legitimacy and independence and sovereignty r concrete and strong

[feral river]

That’s nothing in face of tanks

[gaunt bronze]

the question is more of a siege on Canadian identity and it trying to break Canada internally

[gaunt bronze]

the U.S. cant reasonable Canada

[feral river]

Nazi Germany’s legitimacy and sovereignty and military might much god damn higher than you but does that stopped Soviets drive tanks and destroy everything along them ?

[gaunt bronze]

reasonably invade Canada

[thorny steeple]

Indeed we need Canadian oil

[gaunt bronze]

Thats 1940 my bro 💀 😭

[thorny steeple]

Unless a war with China happens

[feral river]

They don’t need a reason to do that

Or pick random one

[gaunt bronze]

well then who cares

[feral river]

Like national security purposes

[gaunt bronze]

let China be bombed to the ground 🤷‍♀️

[thorny steeple]

Bro you haven't seen fallout

[gaunt bronze]

r u stupid they can’t do that just bc of “ national security” theres more to it than that 😭

[lime cobalt]

you attack russian, but you beg don't use nuke, total nonsense !!

[gaunt bronze]

Yeah I will 😝

[feral river]

They can do that, they did that in 21 century

And let’s see if you are the next target

[gaunt bronze]

we won’t be

[feral river]

Don’t cry if you are being picked because they don’t need to care about canadians

They will do everything just for americans

[gaunt bronze]

praying on your downfall 💅🏻

how do u even have access to the internet

[thorny steeple]

Lmao yes let the CCP fall

[manic juniper]

I like how you completely disregarded my answer, shows that you have nothing more to say

[feral river]

We don’t need to worry if they want to mess with us, there will be no earth anymore

[gaunt bronze]

Arent u chinese

[feral river]

We are a powerful nuclear power

[gaunt bronze]

but hated

[manic juniper]

Ukraine occupied Russian territory in Kursk yet no nuke dropped

[gaunt bronze]

everyone hates China

including me

[feral river]

I don’t give a shit

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[feral river]

You can hate China

[gaunt bronze]

you should

[feral river]

But try to mess with us ? You pay for it

[gaunt bronze]

soft power matters 😝

[gaunt bronze]

im shivering 🥶

[feral river]

I see how it matters in face of bullets

[gaunt bronze]

for good reasons

[feral river]

Use your soft power to destroy my tanks

Try that

[thorny steeple]

Never ask Canada what they did in WW1

[gaunt bronze]

I did

[gaunt bronze]

soft power is actually super important

[feral river]

And who tf told you we don’t have soft power btw

[gaunt bronze]

Hard power is obviously too but in the 21st century soft power has become super important

[gaunt bronze]

referring specifically to cultural soft power

[feral river]

You are a pure puppet state of the US

[gaunt bronze]

China is hated 😭

Like everyone hates it

[feral river]

How dare you think you are something based on that situation

You are a puppet of the United States

[gaunt bronze]

it’s true

[thorny steeple]

Indeed: Canadians Geneva convention nah, Geneva checklist yea

[gaunt bronze]

erm sure we are 💋

rather be that than hated by the world tbh

[gaunt bronze]

oop

[feral river]

So enjoy to be a puppet and follow what your master nations says

[thorny steeple]

Japan turned out good y'know

[gaunt bronze]

China ew

[feral river]

And you have no right to be on the table with us

[gaunt bronze]

Can’t stand that country oml

[lime cobalt]

considered child play, nuke is expensive

[gaunt bronze]

if anything China doesnt

ur literally speaking our language sir and saying that 😭

[manic juniper]

Mental gymnastics I see

[gaunt bronze]

English, ma’am

another example of soft power

[thorny steeple]

Notice, why hast Finland built nukes?

[manic juniper]

It's against our Constitution

[gaunt bronze]

I don’t know a word in chinese and yet English is the lingua franca

[manic juniper]

Very stupid, I know

[gaunt bronze]

It’s soft power in action

the fact ur here is evidence of soft power

[thorny steeple]

Damn who the hell came with the Constitution

[gaunt bronze]

you come HERE from China to yap— soft power!

[lime cobalt]

well if your country been attacked, do u still care about that shit rule

[manic juniper]

If they threaten the capital then yes

[thorny steeple]

Mate run off lmao

[gaunt bronze]

and ppl here act like theyre some high-level politician by saying “my” or whatever when at the end of the day were just ppl

Like gosh 😒

[manic juniper]

That's how nukes are used, as I mentioned before: last resort

[gaunt bronze]

acting like u control America or China 😭

[manic juniper]

Russia will never be in the position of using it as last resort

[gaunt bronze]

crazyyy 😋

[thorny steeple]

Yeah welcome to discord

[gaunt bronze]

he acts like he’s the communist leader of China 💀

Cant take him srsly

Maybe his vpn stopped im not sure!

Soft power am I right?

[feral river]

oh that's the truth unfortunately

[thorny steeple]

Yeah lmao

[feral river]

the truth is you guys are the puppet of the US

[gaunt bronze]

😝

[feral river]

the truth is you guys are weak as hell

[gaunt bronze]

English English English

I don’t know a word of chinese

[feral river]

the truth is you guys waiting to be annexed possibly one day

[gaunt bronze]

And yet ur halfway across the world and fluent in my language

[thorny steeple]

Same lol

[feral river]

who said that's your language

lmao

you think you are superior using american language

[gaunt bronze]

I’m trying to match ur vibe but pretty sure English is the language

[feral river]

true puppet

[gaunt bronze]

Of the anglosphere

[feral river]

that's not your language

[gaunt bronze]

post-colonialist & constructivist 😒

[feral river]

if we dominate the world that's our language

now it's american's language

[gaunt bronze]

pretty sure it’s my language

[feral river]

oh that's my language too

and who the fuck are you doing here

why you are speaking my language

[gaunt bronze]

someone’s mad 😝

[feral river]

lmao

[gaunt bronze]

youre the one speaking English

[lime cobalt]

american ? its still english

[feral river]

oh yeah is English canadian ?

[manic juniper]

It's German

[gaunt bronze]

There are variations

[feral river]

we speak english because of canada ?

L.M.A.O.

[gaunt bronze]

But English Is anglospheric

[gaunt bronze]

everyone knows it here duh

[feral river]

dude

[gaunt bronze]

But elsewhere you have to put in effort

[feral river]

that's funny

[gaunt bronze]

Like in ur case!! Soft power right??

[feral river]

not your soft power dude

[gaunt bronze]

ur literally in China using a vpn to talk on an American platform too like what the freak

[feral river]

that's american's soft power

[gaunt bronze]

doubtless

[thorny steeple]

Yeah our germanic brothers across the pond are wildling

[gaunt bronze]

gosh the topic has changed so much

But ig we’ll see what happens to Canada

[thorny steeple]

Yeah hopefully it doesn't end up as the 51st state

[gaunt bronze]

Watch! 😝

[feral river]

sigh

let me laugh for a min

[lime cobalt]

Imagine you're the one making food, but the world makes the rules about whether you can eat it or not? In a state of hunger, do you still care about those damn rules?

Surely russia have nuke protocols.

[feral river]

LAW/RULE WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT IS TOILET PAPER

[lime cobalt]

It’s clear that Trump is working on diplomacy, so why choose to escalate the geopolitical situation, which actually has the potential to lead to a wider war ?

[thorny steeple]

True that's why the kmt lost the mainland

[lime cobalt]

i seen u said this line many times, you made this ? or u get somewhere

[shy summit]

He’s quoting one of the world’s most notorious serial murderers and a bonified pos

https://www.threads.net/@meidastouch/post/DGzbP_YCnyN?xmt=AQGzA9yO91CwK8d6P7kJn9mVOFItB4dQibC_Jp5-TONKfw

[lime cobalt]

are u sure ?

[shy summit]

Yes

[lime cobalt]

gpt said its Alan Dershowitz, law professor

[shy summit]

Its from mao

[feral river]

verified ✅

[feral river]

I learned it from a supreme leader

[prisma cipher]

If you had just apologized, that would have been enough for me. But okay.

You still can do it actually it's never too late

[dusk ivy]

What we talk about here?

[thorny steeple]

serious things 😼

[dusk ivy]

Hmmm I see

I find many theistic responses to the problem of evil to be weak. When we look at the logical problem of evil—the idea that God’s existence is logically inconsistent with suffering—the two most common counterarguments are free will and the good-evil equilibrium. But both of these arguments have serious flaws.

1. The Free Will Defense
   This argument claims that God allows evil to exist because stopping it would take away our free will. The idea is that God, who is all-knowing, all-powerful, and perfectly good, lets suffering happen because interfering would undermine our ability to make meaningful choices. If God stepped in to stop evil, they say, it would mean taking away our freedom, which would be worse than allowing suffering.

Problems with This Argument:

Free Will Might Not Be Real: This defense assumes we have complete free will—that we can make choices entirely independently. But science and philosophy suggest otherwise. Our decisions are shaped by biology, environment, and other factors. If free will is an illusion or limited, then God stopping evil wouldn’t actually violate our “freedom,” because we don’t truly have that kind of freedom in the first place.

What About Natural Evil?: Even if free will exists, this argument doesn’t explain natural evil—suffering that isn’t caused by humans, like natural disasters, diseases, or genetic disorders. If free will is the reason God allows evil, why does non-human-caused suffering exist? This isn’t addressed, which weakens the argument.

2. The Good-Evil Equilibrium Argument
   This argument says that evil is necessary for good to exist. For example, they claim that without pain, there’s no relief; without sadness, there’s no happiness. In other words, evil gives meaning to good.

Problems with This Argument:

Evil Doesn’t Always Lead to Good: This assumes that suffering always results in something positive, but that’s not true. Trauma can lead to despair, not growth. For instance, losing a child might teach some people gratitude, but it can also destroy lives or cause lifelong pain.

Good and Evil Aren’t Inseparable: Pain and relief, sadness and happiness, aren’t inherently connected. They come from different biological systems. Pain receptors and pleasure systems work independently, so it’s possible to have relief without pain or happiness without sadness.

Why So Much Suffering?: Even if some evil is necessary, the amount of suffering in the world seems excessive. This is where the evidential problem of evil comes in. Why does God allow extreme, seemingly pointless suffering—like pediatric cancer or genocide? If the goal is to teach us moral lessons, why not do it with less suffering? For example, does a parent really need to lose a child to learn gratitude? Couldn’t they learn the same lesson with far less pain?

[prisma cipher]

I didn't finish reading it, because in the middle of the text I saw several contradictory assumptions, this makes further reading pointless, just like the all message

[dusk ivy]

Go ahead and point all those contradictory assumptions and give ur reasoning for why they are contradictory

[prisma cipher]

We have free will we don't have free will

God is good, god is evil, god doesn't exist, I make several contradictions.

Like pointless talking

[dusk ivy]

That doesn't make what I said contradictory. I'm not trying to defend or argue against free will, if I was then my arguments would have been contradictory. I'm arguing against counter arguments to problem of evil which I did from several points of view.

[verbal torrent]

++++

[quaint dune]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-1712163874519931175

[dusk ivy]

I take it lot of theist here

[quaint dune]

I think u know absolutely not about atheism

But

Who cares, huh? 😎

[verbal torrent]

Lol fr

[stable edge]

Hi Hi how are you ? Anyone VC ?

[mortal depot]

Yes

[elder seal]

I'd generally never deal with the first argument as I don't deal with free-will, nor do I believe in it. However, the second argument is very obvious a caricature of its derivative. Firstly, the argument from evil often times is build upon the notion that evil is a privation; "evil" is not a thing, it's a lack of a thing. Every evil act takes reference to some desire for Good, what makes it 'evil' is that it does so at the expense of other's good. If a serial killer didn't get pleasure from killing, he'd not be a serial killer.

Secondly, the argument is clearly build on an anthropomorphic basis. You're presupposing that "suffering" is unnecessary; and you're doing that exclusively by regarding 'man' as a measure for all things. Man is not a measure of all things, so far as you accept that the universe would still exist without us, and this part of the argument is therefor trivial. However, in considering it, the basis of the argument is very obvious build upon a teleological framework that presupposes that all suffering does not have an end; this however falls into a trap: That we can reduce all suffering exclusively to individual circumstances, without consideration of an external party. There's several complex psychosocial phenomenon to consider, however, avoidance of suffering itself is a cause of much good. So merely the 'idea of suffering' can itself induce good. Assuming this, it's arguable that pain does always generate good; even if we can cherrypick individual circumstances where someone suffering it does not experience much good at all

So in considering the first, it's obvious that all agents, whether Good or "evil," partakes of Goodness, and never evil. This is further demonstrated by the thought experiment of an evil man vs. a good man: Can an evil man exist without goodness? As we've noted, all evil relies on a hedonic pleasure principle. If I get no pleasure from doing evil, I've no desire to commit to it. Hedonic pleasure would constitute a form of goodness; even if at the lower end of the spectrum. Therefor, we cannot envision an "evil man without good." But we can envision a good man without evil. Evil therefor relies on goodness, because it's only a "lack of," not itself a thing.

[mortal depot]

Why don't you believe in free will?

[elder seal]

Does your place of birth impact your life choices?

[mortal depot]

Yes

[elder seal]

Do you choose where you're born?

[mortal depot]

No

[elder seal]

So we can here conclude that your choices in life are already outside of your own ability to choose

[mortal depot]

Ah damn I need to look for a refutation for this

[elder seal]

This is literally the simplest determinist argument. Like, determinism 101

There's no "free will" argument that I'm aware of that's meaningfully refuted it either. Only compatibilists has been able 'to refute' this position - But compatibilists are in practice determinists

And is also the most accepted position among philosophers, 59% are compatibilists, or "soft-determinists," with an additional 24% being hard determinists

[slender coral]

I guess you like me then

[elder seal]

Only strong argument for free-will is the one based on physics and probability - This argument however fails because it conflates random fluctuation in space and time with me being able to make independent decisions - Even if it means my decisions aren't literally pre-determined by cause-effect, it still does not entail that I am able to make free decisions, because my decisions are decided by the randomness

[urban swift]

Astagfirullah* May Allah guide you

[stable edge]

Hi Hi how are you ? Anyone VC ?

[slender coral]

What would you like to talk about?

[hexed flower]

anybody wants to read book with me? i have many ebooks and we can share screen and read together

[manic juniper]

Which one is it referring to

[slender coral]

What are these books about?

[prisma cipher]

This is about Trump's speech to Congress. I think.

[heady light]

wtf ramadan devil!

[thorny steeple]

The one that took place recently?

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

Ha that sure was something lol

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[thorny steeple]

this is not good

[sullen vale]

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[thorny steeple]

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[sullen vale]

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[thorny steeple]

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[sullen vale]

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[thorny steeple]

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[tough gull]

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[thorny steeple]

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[ocean tapir]

Trump is literally trying to leave NATO

[night cedar]

What happens if he leaves NATO?

[prisma cipher]

Nato without America

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

A weakend NATO

[prisma cipher]

The US spends more money on NATO than any other country combined

[slender coral]

Don't wtf me pls

[thorny steeple]

Indeed they do 3%

[thorny steeple]

Ramadan Mubarak how're you bro

[prisma cipher]

Their 3% is way different than polish 3 %

I believe polish also spend a lot not sure if it 3 but a lot

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[mystic bay]

Compatibilists are not just determinists 'in practice'. They just are determinists.

[thorny steeple]

shawty wsup

[thorny steeple]

Hello 👋

[thorny steeple]

wsup shorty

[thorny steeple]

Lol I'm alright what brings you here today

[thorny steeple]

i‘m bored thats why

[thorny steeple]

Alright

this chat seems dead

need to haress the general chat then

[thorny steeple]

Yeah lol

[mystic bay]

wat

[thorny steeple]

he meat shawty waht is up

[mystic bay]

he meat

[thorny steeple]

yeah shawty

[thorny steeple]

meat

[thorny steeple]

thats my shawty broski

[thorny steeple]

I KNOW

[mystic bay]

this is an English language server people

lest we forget

[thorny steeple]

True this ain't tiktok fyp

shawty like a melody in my head that i can not keep out . got me singing

[thorny steeple]

i thought tinder

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/1j41tyf/so_apparently_the_abbreviation_for_the_title_of/

[elder seal]

I'd perhaps caution with this formulation. You're right that they're for all intent and purposes determinists; however, the important distinction lays in how they treat agency. In determinism, we're often presented with agency as either non-existent or at best illusory; in compatibilism, it's treated as an active part in the process of determination; even though it's still a part of a chain-of-causality

[feral river]

Sigh

If you really believe this piece of shit

Getting around with that term of evil and good

I would like say stay in that stage

And my stage, is how we are using our might to define what’s evil and good

And you will see how it will be achieved by force

Whatever you say

Your sick definition with a bunch of unorganized people has no chance against an organized military force backed by a state

[feral river]

This shit was included

I will see how your free-will would stand what chance against bullets

Only winner defines what’s good or bad

Losers already fucking dead

Survival for the fittest

[elder seal]

Bro's literally out here positing ideas of a 4th grader like it's deep

I'm sorry bro, you're not deep thinker for believing things everyone believes.

[feral river]

Nah you can continue to believe what you believed, that only makes me valuable

And you will see how it will happen

As I said

[elder seal]

It doesn't matter what's beleived - The object of inquiry is what's true - That I can force a person to believe something false doesn't matter to the subject

You're essentially yapping nonsense

You're such a pseud

[feral river]

And btw you are fucked with any argument against me only using direct insult or something

[elder seal]

You've made no argument. That's the point. Nothing you've said addresses the concern

And none of these are 'insults,' they're observations.

[feral river]

Like speaking so awesome using your complex language skill, thinks I can’t do that or who tf gives a shit to something nobody cares

Nah I won’t give you a little chance to maneuver, I will just directly tell you how it will be

And try to understand it, hardly

Using the most simple language, simple as fuck

[elder seal]

You've said nothing - Everything you've said is what I believed when i was 14. None of your ideas are radical, they're normal

Anyone who's spent more than 2 weeks in high school would believe this

It doesn't matter that i can 'force someone' to do something with a gun - that does not make string theory true just because i can make them believe it

absolutely trivial

[feral river]

You can’t awake a guy who’s pretend to sleep

[knotty chasm]

What the fuck is going on here

[feral river]

but you can got him hard, using the stick of truth

[elder seal]

If a position is true - It'd not require desperate appeals to English literacy.

It'd be held on its own merits.

Your inability to raise an objection speaks more than a thousand words

[elder seal]

Nothing much - Discussing compatibilism and determinism 🙂‍↕️

[grave shoal]

what do those words mean?

[elder seal]

Determinism = Every action is pre-determined, there's no free-will.

Compatibilism = Every action is pre-determined, but the will is free to act, but acts according to a predetermined direction

[knotty chasm]

Free will and "destiny" as some people call it are intertwined in such a way that the humans are not capable of yet understanding -possibly ever-.

See, this is the thing i believe in

[mystic bay]

That's not the definition of 'determinism'. That's incompatibilism.

[elder seal]

If we're not able to understand it - How do you know it exists?

[knotty chasm]

They way they are connected is not understandable

Like the way you cannot answer the question why am i here

[elder seal]

Are you sure? Last i opened my philosophy textbook that was the general gist of 'determinism' following the direction: That all actions are determined outside the self and will be acted in a directed manner

[mystic bay]

There is nothing in the definition of determinism which adjudicates whether or not there is free will

[elder seal]

Quite sure it definitionally contradict free-will and free-agency.

[mystic bay]

Not if you are a compatibilist

And that is the point

[knotty chasm]

It's all the same stuff that is not worth talking about without a religious backbone. Either there is a god and meaning to the life you live or it's all pointless. Theism or nihilism are the two main credible points of living on the face of the earth. Other spiritual views are pointless.

[elder seal]

No, sure - Though, that'd be if we are to function within a strict terminiology that regard compatibilism as determinist; I'd regard them as formally distinct

[mystic bay]

The distinction between compatibilists and incompatibilists divides determinists

It's not compatibilism vs. determinism

[knotty chasm]

You will not be able to answer the question of free will

👍

[mystic bay]

it's compatibillism vs. incompatibilism, within deterministm

note that you can also be an incompatibilist and a libertarian

(in fact, all libertarians are incompatibilists by definition)

(though not vice versa)

[elder seal]

That's new information to me - I suppose I'd agree with it in terms that compatibilism would service within the framework of determinism neatly, as compared to 'free will.' However, most questionnaires who often analysis whatever philosophy students believe often time formally distinguish 'compatibilism' from determinism and free-will

[mystic bay]

That is true, although that is explained by widely held incompatibilist assumptions

[elder seal]

Sure! Though, I'd not necessarily disagree with you - I'd rather regard these matters as down to framing. That determinism and free-will are often assumed to be incompatibilist and are therefor distinguished from compatibilism in common discourse. Though, I'm definitely in the crowd that regards compatibilism as determinist (why I said it was practically the same) - Though, in popular discourse, I'd still go with the assumption mentioned.

[elder seal]

That's already a contentious point. However, to say we "Can't know free-will," tell us we've no reason to believe in free will either. If I have no reason to belive in unicorns, why'd we regard the argument of free-will as justifiable?

The distinction is that there's plenty of metaphysical inquiries into the existence of God; different metaphysics direct us to different framings

[knotty chasm]

It is pointless to spend brain power of humanity to dwell on such points.

[elder seal]

How's it any more pointless than anything you do on a daily basis?

Talking to people on a daily basis is often time also pointless - Maybe the point of something is "in itself." Your argument assumes that something should be done as a means to an end, and not as an end in itself

[knotty chasm]

Even me going out of my room and spending just a single dollar helps the economy.

[elder seal]

That's a false position - How you spend your money can and does damage the economy.

It's called negative externalities.

so that really isn't true

[knotty chasm]

Ok so let's all just dwell on the question of free will as the people and cripple our lives? Is this the right thing to do?

[elder seal]

Becoming smarter and more knowledgeable would definitely be the right thing to do, yes

[knotty chasm]

You are free to think about anything i'm just pointing out that some questions can never be answered and are waste of brain power.

[elder seal]

That's a false position again - You're assuming that some things can never be answered, you're doing that without knowing if it's true. Maybe it can be answered, and you just don't know how because you want to believe it but can't reasonable argue it

[knotty chasm]

I know that i am lacking the hardware to answer such questions.

[elder seal]

If we did what you want us to Ayberk, we'd still be in caves dancing around cave-paintings, because it's "pointless to spend brain power of humanity to dwell on such points."

What if we can harness fire and use it at will? "It's pointless to spend brain power of humanity to dwell on such points."

What if we can slam stones together and make sharp objects to hunt with? "It pointless to spend brain power of humanity to dwell on such points."

[shell pivot]

Yeah duh!
If the question is not bothering them, why would they care much about solving it

[elder seal]

He doesn't need to - But to tell others that it's pointless is very different from disregarding the subject out of disinterest.

You can be ignorant all you want - All good, but don't pretend like a subject is "bad" or "pointless."

It's not more pointless than dwelling on other hypotheticals: Most of which are cause of human progress as a species

[shell pivot]

But one might say that he just disregarded the subject, and you, having interest in that subject, took it as him declaring it is pointless

[elder seal]

Because he literally called it pointless.

[knotty chasm]

The discussion of free will and determinism is pointless.

[elder seal]

It's no more pointless than discussing hypotheticals like if we could harness fire for human use

[knotty chasm]

Fire cooks my food.

You thinking about free will gains me nothing.

[elder seal]

It does - And the idea of determinism helps you discern systems of understanding the world, such as causality

[knotty chasm]

See the pattern?

[shell pivot]

I think you would agree that it is "pointless" to care if a random internet stranger is calling the area of your interest pointless.
Sure, he may be wrong and it is interesting subject really. But what's the point of explaining it to him if he doesn't find the topic interesting

[elder seal]

I'd remind you that most of modern physics are themselves build off philosophical inquiries; unified field theory is a subject based on Spinoza's substance

is physics pointless?

[knotty chasm]

Does physics tell us anything about consciousness?

[elder seal]

Because it's fun?

[elder seal]

Yea - It does, plenty.

Recent studies suggest quantum theory can explain consciousness

[knotty chasm]

"can"

"studies"

[shell pivot]

After a point, it is inconclusive, yes.

It's just something one would believe in, if they wish to. Doesn't matter what the truth is, if there is any objective truth to it at all.

Personally, I believe we're just doing random shit a coupla times and sometimes something works out. The bias of history makes us feel like we knew what we were doing

[elder seal]

Ayberk, it's very obvious you've no real understanding of how science functions.

[knotty chasm]

Can you just stop playing the higher being

[elder seal]

Anything in science is understood in terms of 'can' and 'might.' That's because science is empirical; skeptical and rationalist. Which are all philosophies, by the way.

which are taken axiomatically

Science being an inquiry into the nature of reality through these philosophies taken axiomatically

[shell pivot]

Nuh uh.
We still don't know how we perceive what we perceive. We can break down brains to cellular level and study them. We can see the signals spiking. We know which area is responsible for what emotions.
But we don't know the "how" of it

[elder seal]

But aren't those also pointless? Why discuss whether we can observe things to know if it's true or not

[shell pivot]

Yeah lmao he be doing that

[elder seal]

Yuh-uh. He asks if physics can say something on consciousness, which it can.
Specifically, the recent evidence is highly suggestive of quantum entanglement being an explanatory variable in understanding consciousness; specifically due to anesthetic research which was the initial theoretical fundamental on it.

So it can tell us lots. The question is to what degree it's true - Empirical evidence so far is strongly in favor of the position that quantum entanglement can be a key to understanding consciousness, though you're right that we have no "definitive" evidence, though as in most science, evidence is never 'definitive.'

[knotty chasm]

This is what i am saying. Some stuff happen and it's true from a "deterministic" perspective and some other stuff happen which is true from the "free-will" perspective.

There is no pattern to this. They are somewhat connected together. If we were to know how it would just show the working of time and the universe all in one equation. Which is unlikely.

[elder seal]

This would be true of anything - Including fire making food. Sometimes putting fire on my food wont heat it 🤯

Try making beef on an oven at the highest heat to see what i mean - it'd be raw in the middle

[shell pivot]

Ok

[knotty chasm]

Do you know how heat conducts

[shell pivot]

Sounds like your fire is broken

[elder seal]

I've said what I've said - you can try it yourself.

I'd gladly demonstrate it for you

[knotty chasm]

See now i know that you don't know how heat is conducted through materials

[elder seal]

When you say 'well, you can turn it down to a lower volume to let it heat up the inside,' well guess what, that's what we're doing epistemically when discussing free-will and determinism!

It's only qualitatively different

[knotty chasm]

Thermodynamics will work everytime

[shell pivot]

This is equivalent of saying "Why cook food at 100°C for 10 minutes when I can cook it at 1000°C in a minute."

[knotty chasm]

👍

[elder seal]

Dunning kruger do work it seems

[elder seal]

That's not what i said.

If you say that, you've clearly no clue what i am saying. It's not even remotely true

[shell pivot]

Irony also has a fun way of presenting itself to you, it seems

[knotty chasm]

Lots of topics can be explained using the ant analogy

[elder seal]

Again - I can prove the position for you. It's simple. Having the heat on an oven when cooking meat, specifically red meat, will often time leave it brown outside* while having it stay red inside*. That's a quintessential cooking trick. That you've never cooked before really isn't my problem

I'd gladly prove it to you as well

It's easily experimental ,you can do it at home

[shell pivot]

That's how heat transfer works bruh what are you smoking

[knotty chasm]

An ant inside an electric circuit sees it as just it's enviroment. The topics such as "free-will" , "consciousness" , "infinity" are the same for us. These are our enviroment which we evolved in hence cannot evolve past them to be able to comprehend them.

[elder seal]

See - It doesn't matter how you explain it

[knotty chasm]

What is the counter argument for this?

Nuh uh the aliens will come and grant us wisdom or something?

[elder seal]

It's an analogy. Do you know those? The point is that we can see things which we don't know currently, and on that basis test it by changing how we engage with it, we'll reach a point of truth. Same goes with discourse on anything, from free will to determinism

Is this hard for you to understand?

You're actually proving my point. Which is why this is so funny

Why do we know that it's heat transfer? I wonder.

[elder seal]

You do realize you're both proving my point but too caught up in your own relativism to realize it.

So you're right, we can "rhetorically" discuss things as if free-will exist. That doesn't make it true. That's why we extend the subject to encompass broader spheres, which is where we often reach determinism.

Same exact way that engaging with heater improves our understanding of heat

[elder seal]

So no, "some stuff" isn't true from a "determinist perspective" or a "free will perspective" as you claim here - It's either true or it's false.

[frank hatch]

hmmm

[knotty chasm]

Yeah i'm just going to grab myself a tasty treat because i wanted to.

Have fun guys

[elder seal]

And your past desperate attempt at mockery, specifically @shell pivot, really did well proving this position succinctly. Funny how that works

[feral river]

Heard thousands of such direct insult, and see ya in our play ground

And btw besides that your language is confusing, unnecessarily complicated, and pointless for almost all the time

Btw is that correct ? I doubt it who knows don’t give a little shit

And you are nothing

Done

[elder seal]

Correction: "and pointless almost all the time," we've no need for "for" in this sentence.

Also, we've no need for the "a" in 'don't give a little shit.' It's just "I don't give a shit."

As for the specific argumentation: Writing style aren't reductive to 'complex,' they're merely a reflection of how a person write. There's no intention behind them, you're merely presupposing those.

[feral river]

I don’t give a for shit for what for for the shit

Or I give don’t for shit a shit ?

Ahh that’s it

If you wanna pick more bugs, try

I’m okay with it

[elder seal]

I'm just pointing out that accusing someone of being difficult to understand should at least involve language that's accessible 🤷🏻‍♂️ There's, again, no intentions behind it.

[shell pivot]

Wow you're so smart
I wish I was as smart and enlightened as you were

[elder seal]

Very intelligent.

[shell pivot]

True.
I made fun of you, proving that everything is either "true" or "false", and free will and determinist perspectives don't offer subjective perceptions of reality

[feral river]

Respect to this humane one

Ngl

[elder seal]

🤷🏻‍♂️ You said it yourself - Though, if you're attempting irony here, suggesting that true and falsity is subjective wont service your position well, given that it'd be a self-contradiction

[feral river]

Btw have fun im gonna sleep

[polar garnet]

i need to ask someone some simple question

its about some graphical user interface which i will show through dm, i need an answer like: it looks okay or it looks bad

who can i ask it to? it will take you approx 5 seconds

@feral river can i ask you pls

i need to know opinions i cant do it myself

[formal pilot]

#💻｜programming

[vapid zealot]

Goodness gracious! The society here speaks so highly, with elegant words. I am thrilled

[lethal sparrow]

the most honest right-winger ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtiNx6t5m4Y

[elder seal]

Damn - that graeco-roman stereotype really made me laugh 😭

that's funny

[mystic bay]

The medieval historian is a definite type

[mystic bay]

erm

I am not clicking whatever that is

[stable edge]

Hi i wanna have new friends ...

[thorny steeple]

Sus link

[prisma cipher]

It's paradox when you try to play with number

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[unique light]

Your country is not a superpower

[prisma cipher]

You imagine like it consistent Europe with 500 millions, but a bunch of countries who have to agree each other every time they wanna do something

[unique light]

Russia is not the king of the world

[unique light]

yes because we are united

and you are not

[prisma cipher]

Remind me why I unblock you?

[unique light]

Remind you?

why?

[prisma cipher]

Yes

Because I don't see any reason to keep you unblocked

[unique light]

okay

I have no problem with you having me blocked

it's entirely up to yourself

[prisma cipher]

You think I will argue or something, I just block.

[unique light]

I don't think you will argue

I think you are too brainwashed to argue

[prisma cipher]

I see your opinion about Russia thanks for sharing , every opinion is very important

[unique light]

What's my opinion on Russia?

[prisma cipher]

You annoy me, just let it go

I saw you disagree let's move ob

On

[unique light]

Russia is a large country that threatens other

I've always wondered what Russians think of Ireland

[prisma cipher]

Nothing, nothing bad nothing good

[unique light]

Why nothing good?

I would assume you think nothing good of Dublin

[prisma cipher]

I doubt here are a lot Russian who hate Ireland. We don't like USA, less we don't like Britain, and some pribaltic countries. Not me personally but Russian. Any other is fine.

[unique light]

what is pribaltic?

[unique light]

We don't like the UK either

[prisma cipher]

I use Russian word, they call it Baltimaad. It the countryes that place besides Baltic Sea

[unique light]

You mean Estonia Lithuania etc.?

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[mental wing]

👀

[unique light]

oops

[mental wing]

nah its alright England's a shithole

[unique light]

You Scottish?

[mental wing]

nah british

[unique light]

Nah pal

You can be either English Scottish or Welsh

[mental wing]

I'm English

[unique light]

Ye England is a shithole

But Dublin is even more of a shithole

[mental wing]

bro the entirety of uk and ireland is a shithole

[unique light]

*the uk and no ireland

[mental wing]

londons the only alright place the rest is just irrelevant farm land

[unique light]

London is a place where you phone gets stolen

🤣

[mental wing]

at least it doesn't look like a world war 2 bunker there

[unique light]

Nah man Galway and Cork are the best places

everything else sucks

[prisma cipher]

[mental wing]

yuh corks alright

[unique light]

its fucking beautiful

[mental wing]

I'd wanna move there

but nah im here in shitty manchester

[unique light]

would you move to Galway?

you can keep your phone

[mental wing]

eh probably

it'll get me out of manchester at least

[unique light]

just make sure not to go to London

[unique light]

and we have the best accent

[mental wing]

east midlands accents are one of the best

[unique light]

nah man

[mental wing]

its not posh and its actually listenable

[unique light]

we ain't got any posh accents here in Ireland

maybe Kildare

but not really

Some of them guys speak with a Dublin accent

[lime cobalt]

Dude, Are you a teacher?

[prisma cipher]

Gonna check Ireland accent

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I already saw some people on churches calling each others "brothers" or "sisters" indeed

[prisma cipher]

Don't see like strong accent, just normal English

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[feral river]

You are not going to be united again anymore

You will see how it will start to desolve

By the hands of America, Russia and China

🇺🇸 Make America Great Again

In face of our superpowers, your little economy union of EU is nothing

[lime cobalt]

Europe need russia energy, They are only providing logistical support for ukraine , they will not dare to deploy boots on the ground.

That is already escalate tensions with Russia, Starmer still need trump to do what he want

But Trump paused aid to Ukraine now

It is possible that he will disconnect Starlink.

[shy summit]

Comics dating back to the 1940s.

They are true to this very day

[thorny steeple]

Since trump became a president, i am always watching America political news

It seems like the whole world is fucking watching American shows

trump very strange, he take away rupees for sick, in, india where i live

[shy summit]

I apologize on behalf of dumbass americans who voted him in and the bigots around the world, some in this chat even, that can’t get their tongues off of his boots.

I for one acknowledge that his political slogan might as well be the n-word for the same level of hate and bigotry associated with it.

[thorny steeple]

haha very funny, book what is calling

[thorny steeple]

5th of March

[thorny steeple]

Neat

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ukraine-flag-gif-europe-gif-27418153

[manic juniper]

This chat is like 90% non-Americans praising him just because...???

[manic juniper]

Russia is the red one btw

[tulip zenith]

LMFAO

[thick pulsar]

😂

[thick pulsar]

Love having Europe demand that the US do more in regards to Russia and to stop being in cahoots with Putin… while they have been dependent on Russian oil for decades and still are even after the invasion.

[manic juniper]

We are simply demanding to respect the terms of the Budapest memorandum, why did the US sign them if they cannot respect the terms?

[thick pulsar]

Don’t know, don’t care to be honest. Europe’s problem now anyways.

[manic juniper]

Yes, enjoy paying 500$ per egg

[formal pilot]

Blud said we're investing 8M usd in transgender mice, in reality it was transgenic mice

[manic juniper]

When they asked him about the Baltics he had to think where the Baltics are

[feral river]

don't really give a shit 2 out of 3

[thick pulsar]

I’m sure if we give 100 billion more to Zelensky that egg prices will come down lol, not like it’s because of a bird flu epidemic or something.

[feral river]

but Trump supporters do care about productivity, economy, military might and national interest

🇺🇸 Make America Great Again

[manic juniper]

This but unironically, it would lower the price of grain and wheat. But what do you know about that, you likely voted for him

[formal pilot]

Verified american

[thick pulsar]

Oh right, because 100 billion would ensure a win and therefore lead to pre war export conditions…

[manic juniper]

"Poland hmmm... Yes very good. The Baltics? Ehmmm... Uhm... The Baltics..."

[manic juniper]

They're not sending cash to Ukraine, that's what the EU is doing. You are sending rusty weapons no one will never use, it's cheaper to dispose of them in this way

[thick pulsar]

You probably can’t name 5 countries from Africa or South America… Europeans are so arrogant with how Eurocentric they are

[shy summit]

They literally don’t. Because they wouldn’t vote for dipshit policies that hurt the economy, Trump is CUTTING benefits to military members calls them suckers and losers and has made costs go up for every American.

[manic juniper]

I can name a few: Egypt, South Africa, Spain, Italy, Somaliland

[thick pulsar]

Both humanitarian and military aid is being sent, maybe at the beginning of the war it was a nice deal, now it’s just wasting good military equipment reserves.

[thick pulsar]

Ah yes, the famous african country Italy xD

[manic juniper]

Where is Lampedusa located?

[shy summit]

Bruh

[manic juniper]

I thought Europeans didn't know about African geography? Lmfaooo

[thick pulsar]

You know, by that logic France isn’t in Europe considering how many colonies they still have all over

[manic juniper]

Overseas territory, also yes France too is a transcontinental country

It's European, South American, North American and Oceanian, idk if they have more

[tulip zenith]

isnt africa one

[thick pulsar]

But you would say France is still a European country no? So I’m not too sure why saying that Italy isn’t part of Africa is something wrong to say lol

[manic juniper]

Italy is part of Africa though, Lampedusa is in Africa

[feral river]

oh bro economy is about productivity and wealth, so let me ask, why you think a group of people who don't have ability to consume much stuff is important for the economy ?

[thick pulsar]

Sigh…

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagie_Islands

Literally on the African continent shelf

[shy summit]

Bro have you FUCKING SEEN our economy since trump’s policies were announced

Its in the shitter

[manic juniper]

I didn't even make a generalised statement about Americans, it was just about supreme leader Trump

[thick pulsar]

I’m not too sure you understand what im saying lol, Italy is not an African country, African territory? Fine sure whatever, you learn something new everyday, African nation? No, you don’t see Italy in the African Union do you?

[manic juniper]

Nonsense, Cyprus is in the EU yet it's not in Europe

African country=a country in Africa
Some European countries are in Africa

[formal pilot]

[thick pulsar]

Fine, whatever. Italy is an African country now then, I’ll keep it in mind next time I visit.

[manic juniper]

Just don't get offended again if they make fun of Trump

[thick pulsar]

I think you vastly overestimate how much people think / care about Europe over here lol.

[thick pulsar]

W

[rare granite]

https://fixupx.com/WallStreetMav/status/1897335063358177603

[lime cobalt]

The Art of War "If you are stronger, attack. if you are weaker, avoid." Ukraine wants to keep attacking until it's reduced to ashes. thats Zelensky want to do

[urban swift]

They're going bonkers!
No wonder the far right is uprising in Europe

[tulip zenith]

emphasize in WHITE british people

[torpid dirge]

Is homosexuality some kind of mental illness?

[lime cobalt]

made by polish

[uneven citrus]

not really , that's just gay but nothing else

[torpid dirge]

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4771012/#:~:text=Hence%2C the basic stance of,based on significant scientific evidence.

That has been proved scientifically

With evidence

Even

[uneven citrus]

then why you ask

[tulip zenith]

lol

[thorny steeple]

Nope anyway

[shy summit]

It’s proven not to be

[torpid dirge]

There's certain assertion on this concept some,back 1967 some psychiatrist claimed that homosexuality is mental illness in certain way but after that

[shy summit]

Yeah then we learned more tho

[uneven citrus]

I couldn't care less

[torpid dirge]

😭😭

[uneven citrus]

[torpid dirge]

Shouldn't have ask

😭😭

[uneven citrus]

It's okay , you can ask whatever tf u want

[thorny steeple]

Are you homosexual

[uneven citrus]

sometimes

[torpid dirge]

What Makes u think that ?

😭

[uneven citrus]

I look like one

[thorny steeple]

Mexi...

[uneven citrus]

could be worse

[urban swift]

Bro came

Initiated an argument

And contradicted himself in the very next reply

[uneven citrus]

He lost an argument against himself

[torpid dirge]

Should've see next msg ...

After that

[urban swift]

Bro only wants to win... At any cost

[torpid dirge]

I just wanted to be make sure 😭 and wants to hear some aspects on that ..

[urban swift]

So you're suggesting the present studies can be false because earlier psychiatrist said otherwise ?

I got a magic word for you dude 'improvement'

[uneven citrus]

it's fine lol

[urban swift]

It's fine broda, the way you presented was funny

[torpid dirge]

Yeah I got that but that doesn't mean that' old is considered to be false ?

[urban swift]

Earlier slavery was fine, it doesn't mean it's ok

[torpid dirge]

U won the argument

Man

[urban swift]

I never intended to

[torpid dirge]

Thnks

[urban swift]

But anyways

[torpid dirge]

R u from Pakistan?

[urban swift]

Delhi India. And you?

[torpid dirge]

Ohh shit man same india

😭

Mumbai

[urban swift]

Nice to meet you 🤜 🤛

[torpid dirge]

Jay Hind 💪

[urban swift]

Jai Maharashtra

[torpid dirge]

Clg ? Or job ?

[urban swift]

Not in the serious chat 😂

[torpid dirge]

India waale kahi bh baccodi krne Beth jaate h

[urban swift]

Which is wrong dude. I follow Principle of order

[torpid dirge]

Yeah yeah I'm just kidding gotta go ....glad to meet u ....tc

[uneven citrus]

homosexuals are gay

[feral river]

you can't predict how the economy will go, just wait 2-3 months

and we all will see the result of his economy plan

[rotund light]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-dance-trump-2024-trump-gif-12734161508561409577

[urban swift]

What makes you like trump the most

[shy summit]

Bro its BEEN 2-3 months

[feral river]

2-3 more

[feral river]

america first

national interest above all

fuck leftism

that's it

[feral river]

that's nationalism, not nazism

and we all have that shit all around the world

[urban swift]

Didn't China take initiative and raised the issue of asian-hate in america ?

China been vocal about it

[feral river]

that's what we have done in 10 years ago

I don't hate america

[urban swift]

https://electrek.co/2025/03/03/a-dozen-tesla-cars-burned-at-store-arson-is-suspected-amid-global-protests/

[urban swift]

In France, they destroyed tesla plant

And turned a dozen cars in protest

Against elon and tesla

Do you think something similar will emerge in USA too?

[feral river]

their gov will handle this shit

a bunch of useless people with 0 productivity thinks they can use any measure against the state

this act of treason need to be suppressed

[cloud ibex]

If He keeps doing his signature german stance then yeah maybe

[urban swift]

May i know Where you from

[cloud ibex]

India

[urban swift]

Don't they claim USA is the land of freedom ?

[main bison]

It's the land of free my ass

[feral river]

it's leftists claim USA is the land of the free

[urban swift]

Are you claiming it's the democrats who have been disrupting other countries' politics in the name of freedom and promoting democracy ?

[feral river]

who claims US is democratic

leftists or rightists ?

[urban swift]

Isn't USA a democracy ?

So according to you republicans don't like the idea of freedom/freedom of speech?

And suppression of voices/opinions is necessary ?

[peak shale]

@formal pilot do u know abt triple talaq??

[formal pilot]

Yeah I'm quite familiar with the topic

[peak shale]

@thorny steeple

[peak shale]

Tell me what's ur opinion

[thorny steeple]

First of all , where are you from ?

[mortal depot]

I divorce you I divorce you I divorce you

[peak shale]

South asia

[formal pilot]

Apparently it's not based on the Qur'an, neither it did exist during the time of the Prophet

[peak shale]

Isn't that bad

[peak shale]

But u agree, it exist right

[formal pilot]

Btw i belong to the atheist gang, I'm not here to defend any religion

[mortal depot]

Yes it's bad

[formal pilot]

Sure, it was common in the subcontinent

[peak shale]

I am not here to cuss any religion, I am saying these practices needs to be stopped for God's sake

[formal pilot]

It doesn't happen in Saudi Arabia or iraq like countries

It's always the subcontinent

[mortal depot]

True

[peak shale]

Yeah coz it has become a tradition so in future it may be a law

[peak shale]

Yeah

[urban swift]

the better muslims

[mortal depot]

Ain't no way bro an atheist in 2025

Agnostic or deist better

[vapid zealot]

Greetings people

[formal pilot]

Depends on whom I'm debating, if it's something deeply philosophical I say I'm agnostic, in general atheist is a better way to describe my beliefs

[verbal torrent]

Why better
And why there should be something better than the other

[thorny steeple]

We follow the imams of Muslims, such as Imam Ibn Baz and others, and we do what they say in matters of disagreement. The proof is the saying of Allah, the Almighty: We did not send ˹messengers˺ before you ˹O Prophet˺ except mere men inspired by Us. If you ˹polytheists˺ do not know ˹this already˺, then ask those who have knowledge ˹of the Scriptures˺. [Al nahl:43]

@peak shale

[formal pilot]

I don't think so, i remember reading news about india banning triple talaq

[mortal depot]

Muslims aren't good?

[thorny steeple]

And if they said that you have to do talaq 3 times then you do

[formal pilot]

[mortal depot]

💀

[formal pilot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

[mortal depot]

Thankfully

[peak shale]

But the prophet certain times have no knowledge abt the current scientific stuff happening currently, so when we listen to them we ourselves and they themselves must be aware what needs to be followed and what's not need to be.

And convey accordingly

[urban swift]

Idk about that. Every individual has a personality. A person can be good and bad too at different times of life even in a single day.

But mind you humans have a herd mentality as well.

When I said 'the better muslims' i referred to how sub continent muslims are wannabe Arabs and display even more conservative appeal to life. The reasoning behind is, in the recent years saudi arabia been conducting dance and music festivals in their country and desi muslims are going bonkers over the fact. Why do I know this ? Because the comments are in desi languages which are readable without translation

[peak shale]

Yeah they did, but other country may still practice

[thorny steeple]

These scholars have dedicated their lives to studying religion. Do you think you have any chance of being better than them? Don't spread discord among people, my dear. Thanks for the great discussion.

[thorny steeple]

" been conducting dance and music festivals" says the one who probably live in a country that has a bar in everyhood. there is no perfect country , and it will not be

[urban swift]

Bro really trying to convince muslims for amendments in Quran and Hadiths

[formal pilot]

It's against my valus so I'll always oppose it, unfortunately laws don't work on personal values

Laws are created based on collective morality

[peak shale]

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1896975681030119429/vid/avc1/480x270/FUQy6yERkX2gS8M6.mp4?tag=16

Listen

[peak shale]

Yes

[mortal depot]

Everyone needs to obey Allah and his messenger it is written in the Quran and you need to have Muhammad in your conversations and decisions

[formal pilot]

Btw this guy gets hate from every side lmao

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but we don't take info from anyone. for those who know only. only. only. only. fucking only.

[urban swift]

1. Never claimed there's a perfect country

2. there's nothing wrong with having bars and clubs(not going is an individual choice)

3. Idk what you find objectionable about what i said

[desert venture]

Hey

[mortal depot]

He def hiding something

[desert venture]

My friends

I'm new her

In discord

[formal pilot]

Empowering women is the best we can do, it'll make them understand their rights and eventually we'll see a shift in collective morality

[peak shale]

#🫂｜beginner-chat

[formal pilot]

And laws will be changed

[urban swift]

I know that how islam is supposed to work. Thanks no thanks

[thorny steeple]

1. in our country yes it is a big problem to have bars ( we don't even have ones )

2. You are insulting my country eventho it's not direct

[mortal depot]

BROTHER CONVEEEEERRRRRTTTTTT

[formal pilot]

[mortal depot]

😎 ❤️

[formal pilot]

Dr zakir naik at 144p

[urban swift]

I think you really underestimate desi muslims lol
Subcontinent muslims claim that MBS is yahoodi child and have yahoodi linkage. They say MBS wants to destroy arabia

[mortal depot]

Zakir naik himself is 70p bro

[urban swift]

@formal pilot should i ?

[formal pilot]

MBS gets hate from every side man, from left to the right

[urban swift]

Which is sad

He's a reformer, only reformer

[formal pilot]

I also hate him on certain points

[formal pilot]

Absolutely if you're getting enough money

[urban swift]

I don't even know your country.

If your country don't have any bars it's not my problem.

[urban swift]

Which ones?

[urban swift]

@mortal depot
How much money will I get?

[formal pilot]

It's all around The chosen land

[mortal depot]

0 dollars but alot in heaven .... You know what I am saying 😏 surah 78:33

[formal pilot]

They don't have enough drinkers that's why they don't need bars

Imagine removing all bars from the UK or ireland

[urban swift]

Is he from Saudi Arabia ?
In which sentence did i insult his country ? I'm confused 😕

[formal pilot]

I dunno dude i avoid reading messages in serious chat nowadays, i just come here to yapp

[mortal depot]

That should happen

BAN ALCOHOL

[urban swift]

I'm good with la illaha il lallah...
After that I have huge problems.

I like sarmad shaheed and Rumi ❤️

[formal pilot]

Ban it if you can

[mortal depot]

Inshallah every alcohol bottle will vanish from the face of the earth with the snap of my fingers on march 10

[mortal depot]

Hmm

[formal pilot]

Amen

[verbal torrent]

Deep breath zehrw

[prisma cipher]

@verbal torrent оба

[peak shale]

Money do matters

[verbal torrent]

Sup canim

Neyro

[peak shale]

Dubai 👈👉

[native mango]

That's why he wish because it exists

😂😂

[mortal depot]

[desert venture]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

sup

[desert venture]

How is it going

[desert venture]

سورة البقرة

[urban swift]

English please

[desert venture]

Is this true

[desert venture]

Ok sir

[formal pilot]

I'm sure you can read it

[desert venture]

Yes that's easy

[urban swift]

I wanted to learn persian at one point in my life but not anymore

[formal pilot]

It Arabic ig, surah al baqarah

[formal pilot]

If you know the language

[desert venture]

Wow I think it's difficult

[urban swift]

I was more interested in mediaeval persian

[urban swift]

Idk anything about arabic

[desert venture]

Yeah

[desert venture]

You can learn Arabic

But it's difficult

[feral river]

they simply do

[desert venture]

Darija is easy to learn

[urban swift]

I don't see any requirement as such tbh

[feral river]

hear, if you think it's a big deal to have freedom speech I don't deny this point

but your freedom of speech in face of cash flow or bullets, are nothing

[urban swift]

What if civilians take up the arms too

[feral river]

they won't risk their life if we feed them

if they do, use tanks

[urban swift]

Btw thanks

[feral river]

you see it in US history, you see in Chinese history

what else ? Soviet Union ?

I don't need to mention that much about these type of events

everything was based on force

and that's the truth

[urban swift]

Bruhhh why don't you try becoming a dictator, you're build for that. The flow is so natural 👀

[urban swift]

I agree 💯

But I won't like to live in such social setting

Alas! It's everywhere

[feral river]

there was a cannon, a machine gun, with undestroyable armor

what makes you think those moving flesh has any chance to win against it ?

I don't think so

probably unnecesary to do that, just promising interest to some part of these guys

and they will fight against together lmao

[burnt flame]

hi guys

[urban swift]

Are you suggesting that it's fine if trump govt suppresses USA citizens and even use firearms on them if required ?

[feral river]

I had no idea in what circumstances that Trump was required to do that to US citizen.

I think you can ask nale what do he think about it if it happened

[thorny steeple]

That’s wrong, at least we’re living in the peace world, people want peace, nah they won’t risk their lifes

[elder seal]

Not really. Most ordinary citizens simply do what they're told to - And act according to the way things are phrased and framed. They have as much say in how culture is shaped as they do in policy - Which is little. At best you can say that they shape how those that shape them will shape them. But that'd be a fairly meaningful framing

Should and do are two very different things - Most ordinary people are not interested in knowing politics. That's why it's only an organized elite that rules society. If we are to merely look at economic theories, we quickly find the term "rational ignorance." People are ignorant about politics, because it's rational to be ignorant. We're not even considering far worse outcomes like irrational ignorance here, which is an even worse proposition, but even the most realistic commentator and theoretical framings tells us that the average people will never be qualified voters

[thorny steeple]

Most of people are just not interested boring shit, what if there’s a revolutionary,regime change, wars

[elder seal]

To care exclusively about those things are not conducive towards proper policy-making. Nor does interest in those things ever produce proper policy, it just produce populist policies with negative political consequences; foreign policy specifically always flourish when it isn't suffering under the eye of public scrutiny

If anything, it's better that people remain ignorant in those circumstances

[thorny steeple]

Why i feel that ur using AI?

[elder seal]

I'm not - So I wouldn't know

and my writing style isn't even relatable to AI - So you likely don't know how AI works

[feral river]

they want peace cuz peace is cheap

and you will see what they want when peace is expensive

[lime cobalt]

Democracy requires people to think about politics, but in reality they lost to the interests of the oligarchy, so thinking about politics without being able to take action is suck

And the media can be paid to shape opinions as they wish.

So being less stressed by politics is better for the people

[void arch]

for the seek of argument ,does that justify establishing colonial occupation, illegal settlement and ethnic cleansing against other indigenous ppl ?.

I think the establishment of isreal is not justifiable in any shape or form, nor I find a need for it.
and if its not Justifiably then its questioning Isreal legitimacy to establish their state ,and that how subject could be closed.

moreover indigenous Jews from Palestine were living under Islamic empire for decades ,having access to their own holy sites and practicing their religion freely they were equal to other Muslims and Christians in statue.

[elder seal]

Nobody's specifically discussed those subjects; what was discussed was the problematic character of the claim of being indigenous as a flawed position - In that, it's arbitrarily delineated. Also, the claim here has certain assumptions you've got to expand on.

Also, the past does not matter to the subsect; the fact is, you're in the present. A state is justified on its own basis; there's as much justification for one as opposed to the other. You're in the present now, noT 1920s or 1930s.

[void arch]

I think the major cause of those problems is isreal since before it Jewish ppl lived peacefully among Muslims, but Zionists want the land to be only theirs not anyone else that have right for it.

[elder seal]

Okay, why'd arabs kill and murder innocent jews in 1928?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

This is the specific origin of the conflict