🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

Rome 1st

[dapper laurel]

And we are rome

Genetic map

I feel the Roman blood flowing in my veins

[manic juniper]

Isn't Imperial a race in The Elder Scrolls

[feral river]

you must choose one between Spain or Italy which got capitulated

what would you choose

I would say Italy will not be a huge affect but Spain definitely will

[manic juniper]

Spain obviously, they contribute a lot less while Italy is close to France

[manic juniper]

How

[dapper laurel]

We are also Mycenaeans, we built civilization

[feral river]

its location

and geopolitical power

[manic juniper]

That's true, it would be overrun

[ashen mortar]

cool image

[feral river]

but anyway Italy is really not in the axis of western powers

neither Spain is

[manic juniper]

Spain is much less

Latvia is a secret superpower

[dapper laurel]

Yes, worthy of the builders of civilization

[feral river]

Latvia Soviet Socialist Republics ?

[dapper laurel]

We are

[feral river]

YOU ARE ROME

[ashen mortar]

why u keep changing your country

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/latvia-latvija-latvian-funny-latvietis-gif-4586608020589655683

[dapper laurel]

If our economy collapses all European economies will collapse

[dapper laurel]

WE ARE

[dapper laurel]

CUZ ROME

[manic juniper]

Latgalian empire

[dapper laurel]

I should become an Albanian patriot for a while

[ashen mortar]

rome is gone brouu
don't blame rome

[feral river]

Union of Soviet Socialist Democratic People's Federal Republic of United Latvian States

U.S.S.D.P.F.R.U.L.S

[manic juniper]

LAME
Latvian Antarctic Multiethnic Empire

[feral river]

sounds like Latvian took over the entire world

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but one day we will return

[feral river]

btw how did you got the gold title

[dapper laurel]

Dhe Kosova është Shqipëri

https://youtu.be/cO1UYlxOYck?si=xpaih9GSV09Ix_xr

[ashen mortar]

its only one way ticket no return ticket

[dapper laurel]

😔

[manic juniper]

Leveled up just as you did

[lavish creek]

Damn, you sure she is your sister?

[feral river]

yeah ?

we are twins lol

[lavish creek]

You both are too different

[lavish creek]

Really? Lool

Introduce me to her 😜

[feral river]

how ? tell her you are a reactionist 🤣

[ashen mortar]

why there is 652 in your name
is that your social credit

[dapper laurel]

Now I'm a minority

[lean sparrow]

Minecraft

[lavish creek]

Yeap

[dapper laurel]

Please, no camps for me

[lavish creek]

Are you fully integrated and assimilated?

[ashen mortar]

isn't that cool

[manic juniper]

How did this happen

[dapper laurel]

🤔🤔

[feral river]

you can do re-education without camps

[dapper laurel]

Hell yeah

[feral river]

🤣

[dapper laurel]

This server is a lottery, one day you can be on top of the world, and the next day you can end up in my state

[dapper laurel]

Mmmh, I have to think about it

You're white too

I'm not yet a minority

[ashen mortar]

why you want to become minority

[dapper laurel]

No, I want to be part of the majority

[ashen mortar]

being majority boring

[dapper laurel]

I meant the role, but your hair looks nice

[thorny steeple]

so serious jackie wakie

[shy summit]

Morning everyone

[feral river]

good evening nale

how was your day

[shy summit]

Just woke up, had to do write ups on the debate and the fallout

Orange man got cooked

[versed rain]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_U4gjdt0Cq/
Actually, i wanna answer with a turkish folk song. Nothing is a justification for killing innocents, and nothing is wrong with Hamas about Palestine. It is Lebanese backed. I dont support it

[feral river]

make a lot of sense from turkish prospectives

[versed rain]

wdym

[feral river]

I mean you hold such opinion from Turkey, it make sense

and you guys doesn't need a powerful isreal in that region

[versed rain]

because we dont want any war

[feral river]

no one wants war if everything can be settled peacefully isn't it

war is the supreme court of civilization of humanity

[versed rain]

we dont have problem with them about their religion. We are against to them because of their genocide

[versed rain]

Hamas is not at war with Israel. It defends Palestine.

[manic juniper]

Don't they carry executions on Palestinians?

[hallow storm]

People have been fighting each other since the beginning of humanity.

[manic juniper]

Also why doesn't Hamas fight in West Bank where Israel was building settlements?

[versed rain]

they doesnt but i have heard that they do this to israelis

[manic juniper]

They do, there are independent reports

[versed rain]

but israel bombs refugee camps, schools, hospitals

[manic juniper]

Yes Israel is bad, never denied this

[versed rain]

They have no right to it

[manic juniper]

I'm saying that Hamas sucks at protecting people or isn't protecting them much or at all

[versed rain]

As a Turk, I say this: The Palestinians have betrayed us much more than the Israelis. But this is human being problem.

[manic juniper]

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/09/1126021
As you can see not even the State of Palestine approved of the executions, probably most Palestinians didn't

[versed rain]

yes i heard that hamas killed a few israeli hostage

[manic juniper]

These were Palestinians, two were accused of having ties with Israel but what about the other three? 🤔
They also killed elders at times

https://www.btselem.org/inter_palestinian_violations/death_penalty_statistics

[versed rain]

But this is not a situation for defenseless innocents. At the very least, they are defending themselves by supporting the hammam.

[manic juniper]

Palestinians are supporting Hamas because no one is taking action for them, they're not to blame

[versed rain]

really, thats not my problem. I am angry with denying human rights

[manic juniper]

But Hamas is not good at whatever they are trying to do unless it's attracting attraction where it isn't needed, like Gaza

[versed rain]

Yes, this is also the view in Turkey

[manic juniper]

If they really wanted to do something they should have destroyed the settlements in West Bank to discourage Israel from building there

Israelis don't live there until they're completed, and the West Bank isn't part of the State of Israel, so destroying the settlements is fair game

[versed rain]

Like I said. It's not my problem, and I don't care. I only feel sorry for the innocent Palestinians and Israelis who have died. No innocent person should die. Other than that, I have no idea. I'm not the judge.

[feral river]

all I'm caring is how many progress that Israeli could carry out to achieve their ultimate goal and I'm freaking earning from it

I don't mind what they have done, I care how much profit they can generate

and emotionally speaking, I feel sorry that many people died from this war but if they determined the solution would be implemented by war, then do it.

and win the war.

[turbid ivy]

That's so inhumane

[turbid ivy]

[feral river]

罪在当代, 功在千秋

sin in the present, credit in the future.

[turbid ivy]

reverse it

Sin in the present, pain in the future

[rose eagle]

yo South Korea has as many stores or places for otaku as Japan?

[feral river]

yeah

[cursive hornet]

(Keep it to English please! We are The English Hub after all!)

[dapper laurel]

Have you invested in any military complexes?

[feral river]

CHKP ESLT

only those two

I didn't invest any stocks listed on Israeli stock exchanges our Tel Viev Stock Exchange lol

[manic juniper]

He provided the translation afterwards

[cursive hornet]

👍

[manic juniper]

They didn't stop doing it

[dapper laurel]

This company has grown so much, is it American?

They would be Israel's first supplier

[dapper laurel]

Invest in Leonardo too

They made a solid +48,48% in the last year

Italy is investing in armaments, so it could be useful

Invest in Beretta too, stocks should be cheap

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074670102231924747/1276978142531289171/Leva_classic.gif

[manic juniper]

The Golan Heights definitely don't belong to Israel, the entire world recognizes those as part of Syria

[versed rain]

to genociders

[thorny steeple]

Oh man, no reason can justify the death of innocent babies, there are civilian casualties, but deliberately killing babies, those who are too old to hold a gun, and those who are sick, makes that side wrong, no matter what the reason. I hate every side of this war...

[lethal wasp]

guys i need ideas! I am in an English club in my uni and i am look for ideas about an instagram reel saying that we are back with a freash start for this semester so if anyone have any interesting idea pleas lmk.

[quasi needle]

Wdym

[lethal wasp]

a video (instagram reel video for our English club in our uni)

[quasi needle]

So you have to make a video that has something to do with English?

[feral river]

win the war, that's all I want to say

[lethal wasp]

no but more like that we are back ( the club is back)

[quasi needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-emoji-smiley-thinking-scratching-head-gif-17835192

[lethal wasp]

what do you not understand?

[quasi needle]

What do you need an idea about

[manic juniper]

They can move them back to Israel, they did this in Egypt and in Gaza, they removed some settlements in the West Bank too

[lethal wasp]

about that we are back again for a new beggining

[manic juniper]

?

[quasi needle]

This is incredibly vague

An idea about… being back?

[lethal wasp]

yes the English club is back because we havent been doing anything but now we have a new leader which means a new beginning for this club, so we are looking for ideas

[manic juniper]

According to the Oslo accords

[quasi needle]

Okay so your club needs something to do, is the club just a general “getting better at English” club?

[manic juniper]

Why not

[lethal wasp]

kinda yea it is English and translation bridge (the name of the club)

[manic juniper]

I don't think the Golan Heights are in the West Bank at all

[quasi needle]

I have some exam papers (1 hour long) where I can grade people and give advice

[lethal wasp]

what does this has to do with it????????????????//

[dapper laurel]

They are the legitimate territory of the Assad Sultanate

[quasi needle]

It’s pretty obvious

[lethal wasp]

explain

[quasi needle]

If you’re learning English and don’t want advice or tips be my guest

[lethal wasp]

chat what is this guy saying??

[manic juniper]

They belong to Narew, only legitimate son of Assad

[quasi needle]

People write some things… someone else gives advice on their responses… it’s very simple

[manic juniper]

I don't think the Golan Heights are part of the Oslo accords, because they weren't even part of Palestine

[lethal wasp]

this is an idea?

[quasi needle]

A Level 2 Functional English Skills paper

[lethal wasp]

because i am looking for an idea

[dapper laurel]

His resemblance to Assad is uncanny

[main bison]

r u british

[quasi needle]

Yes

[lethal wasp]

this idea is not helpful

[quasi needle]

Then don’t do it that’s not my problem

[main bison]

how old r u

[quasi needle]

16

[lethal wasp]

yoo chat what is this guy bluffing about?

[main bison]

whats ur name

[quasi needle]

If you don’t want to take advice from graded responses then don’t

[quasi needle]

It says…

[main bison]

owen?

[quasi needle]

Yes

[lethal wasp]

bro i am looking for ideas! i do not want advice from you

[main bison]

owen wanna be friends?

[quasi needle]

then find another idea dude that’s all i have to say

[quasi needle]

sure

[main bison]

yepii

[manic juniper]

Did you watch Trump's debate?

[main bison]

yeah half of it

[manic juniper]

Opinions?

[main bison]

ah
Trump is a better candidate

[quasi needle]

neither candidate has the upper hand

trump repeats visceral lies with a bloated track record and kamala has a poor track record. although funnily enough on immigration, trump told his party to deny a bipartisan bill that would decrease it

[main bison]

Trump was honestly yapping a lot about immigrations

[quasi needle]

he repeats the same lies to make it seem like he’s morally correct, when he is actively preventing the other party from legislating a bipartisan bill

[dapper laurel]

That immigrants eat dogs in Chicago👺👺 This is a top argument

[manic juniper]

They didn't withdraw their troops, and the region is under civilian law for Israelis only. The only thing they fixed was moving settlers off the Sinai and Gaza

I don't know why you specified things that I didn't question or contradict you on

[dapper laurel]

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin

I would use the virtues of the second amendment to overthrow the government and blow off some heads like Robespierre did

[quasi needle]

if you looked into their policies you’d see this being VERY misinformative

[manic juniper]

I sent a document about this before by the American journal of international law but I'm too lazy to find it again

[dapper laurel]

Nothing would change for the economy and foreign policy, even social policies would remain unchanged

[quasi needle]

oh yes the hell it would

republicans advocate for clear tax breaks for the rich, the denial of worker rights, trump takes a more nationalist stance and would be more hostile to allies

[manic juniper]

De facto is, but isn't recognised as legal occupation just like Crimea or Transnistria

Or Taiwan

[dapper laurel]

This is pure election campaign, all extremist positions are constitutionalized after the elections

[manic juniper]

Those are all not recognised by many but de facto don't belong to some of the States that claim them

[feral river]

I have no idea that Israeli leader really betrayed his nation and people give Sinai, Gaza to their enemies

[quasi needle]

no this is a result of polarizing branches of government

a democrat executive branch and a republican congress stunts legislation to be incredibly neutered

[feral river]

they have that capability to hold those territories and they can do a lot of project to annex them

[dense agate]

any republican with a not too-smooth frontal lobe can realize the election interference Trump attempted to do on last election is not okay and that guy can never be trusted

[manic juniper]

Giving Sinai to Egypt in exchange of getting officially recognised? Do you think it's a bad idea for a new country?

[quasi needle]

trump supporter and smart do not go together

[feral river]

well I won't surprised if they still holding the Sinai they can even took over the canal

[manic juniper]

They do but you must recognise that it's the more pragmatic choice

[quasi needle]

however i am no endorser of kamala

[dapper laurel]

I mean, a lot of the things they promise will not be maintained because it would have a devastating impact on the electorate itself

[feral river]

bad idea at all I think that is

[quasi needle]

i just see her as less of a threat to international security

[manic juniper]

Why

[feral river]

if you are powerful enough you don't need to seek recognization

everyone's going to recognize you because you are a power

[manic juniper]

They gave back a small piece of land that may be somewhat strategic but now they're officially recognised by an Arab country

[dense agate]

bro really thinks this is age of empires 2, you can't just take lands without any international pushbacks and grievances

[manic juniper]

It's even more ridiculous how Israel got recognised by Morocco

[feral river]

well that's not really a small piece of land

that's huge for Israelis for sure if you look at the map

there's no any inch of territory is wasted

[manic juniper]

Yeah but they are better off focusing where they can't be challenged like in Syria or Palestine

[feral river]

territory = money, resources, populations, geopolitical regions, power

[dense agate]

yea i understand Harris may not be the most popular one, but if it's between her and a traitor, why not

[dapper laurel]

You know very well that she will continue to support Ukraine as well as Israel, and, in truth, she has no concrete foreign policy, she says things to please everyone like: "What Israel is doing is wrong, but it is our ally...."

[dense agate]

wow

[quasi needle]

is there a reason she shouldn’t support ukraine?

[dapper laurel]

There could be an escalation and everyone to the afterlife as well

[manic juniper]

Some Americans oppose it for whatever reason, as if many of those weapons aren't being sold

[quasi needle]

do you support appeasement policy

[manic juniper]

Most of the Americans that complain do so for the free money handouts

It isn't for nuclear escalation

[coarse nacelle]

I'd say there are many reasons

[manic juniper]

Such as

[quasi needle]

do they outweigh crumpling european stability and appeasement

[feral river]

for american national interest, they must support Israel wholeheartedly with no hesitition

[quasi needle]

what happened the last time a major dictator was appeased

[dapper laurel]

In this case, yes

[feral river]

Israel is the only only only american proxy in the middle east

[manic juniper]

I'm talking about Ukraine there, I think most Americans support Israel no matter what

[coarse nacelle]

to not prevent global escalation

[feral river]

they have israel they can project their power, they can control the oil sources, they can control the waters in these region, they can control those nations and enemies

[dense agate]

Israel is not a proxy, if you spend 10 seconds reading the definition of a proxy you'd know that, but you'd rather yap

[feral river]

they don't have israel, they have nothing in here

[manic juniper]

Do you mean like pre-WW2 where they gave free countries to a certain moustache man to prevent escalation? That worked I guess

[feral river]

that's what they should do

[quasi needle]

you do know that global escalation is if russia attacks NATO soil, something that will bring in every single major western power against russia no matter their previous support

everyone has stated they will not go to war unless NATO is forcefully dragged in

[feral river]

ww3 that would be

[manic juniper]

It's a shame that Sweden is doing more for Ukraine than our country

[dapper laurel]

If Russia really starts losing in Ukraine, then there will be an escalation, you can't deny that

[quasi needle]

russia isn’t like america

[dense agate]

US is looking for their own interests and if having an ally can help so why not ? same goes for asian countries like South Korea and Japan or western Europe

[quasi needle]

nukes are not under putins finger

[manic juniper]

It's better for everyone, they will stop attacking other neighbours for a while

[quasi needle]

there is no nuclear football

[manic juniper]

Russia getting Crimea is what allowed it to launch invasions in Georgia

[quasi needle]

it is an incredibly convoluted hierarchy to launch a nuke in russia

[manic juniper]

The peninsula was turned into the HQ of evil

[coarse nacelle]

How can you compare Ukraine and Russia, despite the fact that Russia has much more troops

[dapper laurel]

No, they probably could use nukes on Kiev, they can't retreat after spending time, money and men there

[dense agate]

same thing people said about allowing Ukraine to use western weapons to attack Russian soil, i still don't see putin dropping any nukes as he said dhe would

[quasi needle]

russia has troops, ukraine has imported resources

[manic juniper]

They can do that and everyone in the world would lose their shit because it's a completely dogshit decision

[quasi needle]

the field is equalized

[quasi needle]

no, i already stated nukes are not up to putin

[manic juniper]

I don't think Russia would risk trading a free nuke on the capital for a double loss, walking away like a loser and potentially getting nuked in return

[coarse nacelle]

which are supplied by Western countries))) And Russia is fighting against everyone alone

[quasi needle]

there’s a reason nukes weren’t launched in the cold war

[manic juniper]

Only against Ukraine

[quasi needle]

cuban missile crisis

a junior officer on a submarine decided not to fire a nuke because he thought his radar was a false threat, it was false and the world didn’t end that day

[dapper laurel]

No, Ukraine is not a country that has any real geopolitical weight outside Europe, probably the West would respond by sanctioning the Russian economy even more, but they will not dare to use the atomic bomb

[quasi needle]

MOFO

using a NUKE will THROW the world against russia

[dense agate]

this one was a real close one, especially since Castro was so eager to start something with the States

[manic juniper]

They have so much importance worldwide that the price of all goods skyrocketed, especially grains and wheats after the competition died

[coarse nacelle]

I have other information about this.. But, ok

[quasi needle]

ukraine is the worlds biggest exporter in some industries

[manic juniper]

Provide it then

[dapper laurel]

No one complained when the US used it on the Japanese, except the Japanese themselves

[manic juniper]

The war in Ukraine impoverished many already poor countries even further

[quasi needle]

it’s a proxy war

[dense agate]

oh yea im sure that when one of the largest wheat producers in the world collapses nothing bad would happen

[manic juniper]

And obviously lowered our living standards and those of Russians too

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074670102231924747/1276978142531289171/Leva_classic.gif

[quasi needle]

LLLOOOTTTSSS of people complained. even the INVENTOR of the bomb, oppenheimer, was against it. stop using generalization as a means to prove a point

[dapper laurel]

No, it will not collapse, Russia will manage its affairs

[feral river]

ofc nothing will happen they are just producing some wheat that everyone could do

[dense agate]

just look at Africa, Putin had to put a summit there with many leaders to assure them Russia will maintain access to wheat

[dapper laurel]

Insignificant complaints, de facto the United States has suffered no real consequences

[dense agate]

it will not collapse for now, since they're still going strong

[feral river]

if there's a notch in the market, will be automatically fixed by the invisible hand of market

[quasi needle]

you are showing a disturbing lack of knowledge in context

[dapper laurel]

Has anyone sanctioned the United States for nukes?

[dense agate]

sourse ? trust me bro i was there

[dense agate]

i like how we can make shit out and treat them as facts

[feral river]

we have that too!@

[quasi needle]

this has nothing to do with your point, you are throwing blank statements and questions

[feral river]

we are expanding our nuclear arsenal

[dapper laurel]

Instead, yes it does, if they have not suffered economic consequences then they have not suffered real consequences

[quasi needle]

russia using nukes in ukraine would bring the world against them, they would be crushed

[feral river]

soon we will have thousands of nukes as the amount that US possesses

and everyone, everywhere will safe, forever

[cinder quartz]

interesting

[manic juniper]

We need a NAP, Nordic Atomic Program

[quasi needle]

you completely diverted from “no, people won’t care” to “no, because the users from a century ago weren’t affected negatively because they are the worlds only superpower”

[shy summit]

You do realize the US doesn’t ever want to use nukes right?…

[dapper laurel]

In reality there are spheres of influence, and, I assure you, many would be indifferent.

[feral river]

we signed no first use treaty

[dense agate]

yes taking everything out of context and do false comparisons in the most regarded way

[quasi needle]

it’s no doubt russia using nukes would start world war 3

[shy summit]

Assuming they can get through any air defense

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kittens-cute-cooking-gif-27578245

[dapper laurel]

In reality I have understood them as consequences of foreign policy, not of public opinion

[quasi needle]

assuming putin can convince his generals to fire the nukes, since the president has no authority himself to launch them, he has to go through other people

[dense agate]

indifferent ? the first nuke to ever be dropped in europe, a continent so dense with population

and no one would care ?

even now before dropping any nukes and China is slowly dropping support for Russia

but when they drop nukes and commit actual warcrimes, naah the world would be indifferent

[dapper laurel]

Would African, South East Asian countries care? They are the majority of the population and are influenced by BRICS

[manic juniper]

India will keep standing for Russia, lovers until the end

[quasi needle]

…? are african countries the frontline world powers

[dense agate]

i really need to know if Chad or Gabon would care about this ?hmmm the most irrelevant countries yes

[feral river]

ahh keep buying Russian cheap products and oils....

[quasi needle]

do african countries lead the world…?

[dense agate]

if Chad ever sanctioned your country you're fucked

[feral river]

and give our weapons to North Korea for transit to the Russian hand

that's what we have done anyway

[quasi needle]

china, japan and india are the only international frontline powers outside of europe and america

[dapper laurel]

Irrelevant countries? we Europeans exploit their resources every day, how should they be irrelevant?

[quasi needle]

and oceania

[feral river]

Japan is not a power 🤣

[dapper laurel]

Indians have resentment towards Europeans, would they care?

[quasi needle]

they have the fastest increasing military size in the world only behind your country, they have the 4th largest economy in the world. they are important

[quasi needle]

you have a disturbing trend of generalizations

[dapper laurel]

Yeah lol

[dense agate]

the thing is Russia has no real allies, their relations with countries like China are merely due to convenience hence why it's fragile, in fact China has more reasons to dislike Russia than to befriend it

[quasi needle]

it’s like you just say what you think without researching

[dapper laurel]

They have a decaying industry, the army has no power if you can't maintain it

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/postanius-gif-18329770143242094228

[quasi needle]

..? and they can’t maintain it how..? indulge me

their military is doing perfectly fine

[feral river]

not every country has ability to maintain a military with organized high-tech industry support

[dense agate]

are you unable to process what i said ? you think if all central African countries woke up today and sanctioned a country like Germany, there would be any serious effects ? are you that naive ?

[coarse nacelle]

I've been reading Russian news for a very long time and I often see this.There are many chevrons here, including from Canada, the USA, Poland and other countries

[quasi needle]

yes, he is

[dapper laurel]

They simply don't have the resources, once they've used up their army they won't be able to do much else

[feral river]

actually there's only 2 states in the world have high-tech industry support the new organized military

[quasi needle]

………..???? they are the worlds third largest economy and they can’t afford the resources…? are you reading before you send

[feral river]

China and the US

[quasi needle]

third or fourth i can’t recall

[manic juniper]

A bunch of military insignias don't mean anything, by that logic there are Ukrainians fighting for the country of NAFO wholesome doge

Besides yes there are volunteers in Ukraine from other countries, there are in Russia as well, volunteers have always been a thing, doesn't mean entire foreign armies fight there

[dense agate]

China spends big in it's military but it has yet to build a reputation, haven't been used in any serious conflict except for some clashes with India (and it's own people sometimes lel)

[quasi needle]

it’s been proven that there are small scale troops from the UK, other european powers and NATO in ukraine

[dapper laurel]

Have you heard that their economy is in decline, or are you just basing that on statistics of wealth produced???? They wouldn't even have the population to sustain a war lol

[quasi needle]

their economy grew 2.9% in the last year. decline you say? do some research

[feral river]

ah we signed a treaty with India that guns won't be involved between our clashes

[dapper laurel]

And don't say they are more than 100 million or shit like that, because their population is old

[coarse nacelle]

Do you think that Ukrainian soldiers bought American chevrons and worn them?) It's a little funny.

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-high-five-yes-oh-hell-gif-14003436

[quasi needle]

blah blah blah LOOK AT THE STATS! THEY ARE INCREASING!

[manic juniper]

Did you even read the message? There are volunteers from other countries, there are in Russia too. Doesn't mean entire foreign armies are involved

[quasi needle]

sorry it’s 12% in the year, 3% in the quarter

[dapper laurel]

The average wealth of citizens has dropped, industries are trying to give the last economic impulses

[dense agate]

watch Russia trick indian students into joining the military lel

[manic juniper]

If anything it's Russia that didn't fight on its own, the Belarusian army was directly involved a bunch of times and they're preparing to invade again

[coarse nacelle]

But nevertheless, there are enough mercenaries fighting with them

[manic juniper]

They're few, most combatants are Ukrainians

[manic juniper]

My uncle is fighting there, most foreigners act as trainers or instructors, there are some involved in the fighting

[dense agate]

do you have something against mercenaries ? Russia by itself runs one of the largest private militaries

[quasi needle]

monthly wages have grown nearly ¥200k in the last 50 years and have grown roughly ¥10k in the last 20. that is a slow down, not a decline

[dapper laurel]

Their social situation prevents them from going to war

[feral river]

not very delicious

[manic juniper]

Too hairy?

[cinder quartz]

suddenly

[coarse nacelle]

Yes, it is true, there are many volunteer private companies. and in Ukraine they also exist

[dense agate]

some might say very furry

[feral river]

I rather have some chick than kitties

[dapper laurel]

Ok, so that means they're going into stagnation

[feral river]

nothing you can eat lol

they got barely no meat only some skin

[manic juniper]

Are dogs better than cats?

[dense agate]

lel

[feral river]

we don't eat cats lol

[manic juniper]

Why not

[quasi needle]

were* they have already left it. this year the japanese 225 index of the largest companies closed higher than the record set in 1989

[feral river]

but we got a lot of dog meat resturant

[manic juniper]

I've seen a photo of a dish with cat meat in Vietnam

[dense agate]

by "we" i don't think you mean China

[feral river]

cuz it's expensive and disgusting ?

[manic juniper]

Did you try it?

I guess there are no cat farms

[feral river]

nope

there are no cat farms

[manic juniper]

Aren't the dogs used for the farms fat and with a dark tongue?

[quasi needle]

anyways conclude here so i can go play truck simulator 🚬

[manic juniper]

I think they're very popular here, most people don't know the origin of their breed

[dapper laurel]

Japanese industries represent the wealth of a few, not the citizens, what you said literally means nothing, if the citizens start to be poor the whole economy will decline in the long term

[feral river]

no we got a farm for the consumable dogs

[dense agate]

someone needs to get introduced to factorio

[quasi needle]

this is the same for every nation in the world

its not a japanese issue that theres inequality in a capitalist society

[dapper laurel]

Not developing countries, where even the wealth of citizens is slowly growing

[dense agate]

generally, the people get poorer due to economic decline, not vice versa

[quasi needle]

yes in developing countries

the more developed a country is, there more inequality grows between the classes

that is how it works

[dapper laurel]

He says they are not in economic decline

[quasi needle]

ive looked into it but i just havent bought it.. one day though

[dapper laurel]

So in the end they don't matter anymore, they are an irrelevant country and nations like Russia or China could easily survive without them

[dense agate]

idk if it can be called a decline since it's not in a freefall, but they surely are in a bad spot, still haven't recovered from the japanese asset bubble from the 80s

their economy hasn't practically returned to pre-crisis levels

[dense agate]

it's pretty fun, give it a try

[quasi needle]

they are not in decline. their economy has grown 2.9% in the last quarter, the average wage is up, their stock market has reached a new record for the first time in the last 40 years. they are important and if you say otherwise you are negligent of basic and obvious common sense

they were in stagnation and slow growth, not decline. they are now growing faster

[dense agate]

i do know they had some positive economic data recently, but these are nothing but short-term indicators and are not going to solve it's long standing problems by any means, their real growth has been stagnant for a long time, and when adjusted to inflation, there has been no significant improvements when it comes to purchasing power which has effected consumer spending badly.

[quasi needle]

a long time is only 20 years

[dense agate]

they also had serious problem with deflation for years, with also affects consumer spending and business investment.
and the big elephant in the room the debt

[dense agate]

they call it the lost decade

[quasi needle]

regardless of any stagnation, they are still a world leader and the 3rd/4th most important economy. that is NON NEGOTIABLE

[dense agate]

im not saying they are not important, my point is they are facing serious economical challenges

[quasi needle]

that is very true

[dense agate]

i never said they aren't

[quasi needle]

but its very indicative that they are improving

[quasi needle]

more so concluding on my point to andosweher so i can go play my game

[quasi needle]

maybe when its on sale

[dense agate]

it's really hard to tell, the central bank of Japan has been fighting against deflation for years to no avail, it's only that recently it started to change, would it remain this way ? only time will tell

[quasi needle]

the same thing has happened to the uk (but for only ~4-9 years)

brexit started and we lost a lot of economic growth, but now we're forecasted to outgrow every other G7 nation for the next 6 years (this is yet to be seen but its what the specialists are saying)

[dense agate]

i'd be very skeptical to that data considering how they underperformed most G7 countries post-covid

[safe osprey]

I need someone who can help me #📝｜proofreading

[shy summit]

Gross

[manic juniper]

Why

[quasi needle]

precisley due to brexit, we are now refining our deals

[feral river]

well divide as 4 tier of different type of militaries based on power, 1-tier would be the US and China which had advance wmds, using high-tech to re-organize the military force to incoporate with digital technologies, 2-tier would be the Russia, also had advance and enormous wmds, despite they have a low level of possibility of utility developing space force but mainly their army still being organized in a old way. 3-tier, general typical powers, Germany, France, Britain, Israel, Japan, South/North Korea they don't got much high-tech practice in military field to re-organize the new army, but most have a nice economy could support a long-term war

not gonna mention 4-tier because that was sucks

[dense agate]

yea i know Labour party is approaching EU for better and closer deals, but it's gonna be tough

[quasi needle]

the brexiteers think we're shit compared to the EU, they have the bargaining power not us. but we can pull through with better deals than what we got in 2021

[feral river]

天上龙肉, 地下驴肉

[dense agate]

remind me of a single large scale war lead by China in past 30 years ?

[feral river]

dragon meat on the heaven, donkey meat on the ground [the most delicious meat]

[manic juniper]

USA deserves a tier of its own

[dense agate]

naturally, but he won't see that

[feral river]

we don't have much war as US does but we have high-tech, a space program incorporated with military, numerous wmds, nuclear submarines

we didn't lag that much to the US technology and the way of moblizing and organizing the military

[manic juniper]

Germany isn't impressive right now but they announced their rearming after 2022

[dense agate]

yea you've proved my point, chinese military has no experience in real battles or a reputation to mention, as far as i know China has a single military base outside of it which is in Djibouti i believe

but apparently they are equal to the US

[dense agate]

watch all the citizens lose their shit when they're trying to pass drafting laws

[feral river]

we gonna have more

[manic juniper]

They would do well, they need incentives for a volunteer army instead of large reserves

[dense agate]

sure, but if a war breaks out say right now, you'd be unmatched to the US

[feral river]

yeah sure if it's a general war

nuclear war would be the full destruction of the US and China

[shy summit]

The Chinese military has issues I’d rather not get into, but its not logistically ready for combat with the US

[dense agate]

i think it's pretty hard to do that effectively now a days, even the US which has very attractive offers for people to volunteer, they still rely on drafts a lot

[dense agate]

fallout 5

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

never underestimate the Russian technologies lmao

[dense agate]

yes because that's what we were saying just now

[shy summit]

The problem for China is that it’s air weapons and defenses are outclassed

[dense agate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom

moving to the more intersting part of Chinese history

[feral river]

we got J-10 which have better performance than F-16 but we gonna improve it anyway

we are lagging behind the US in this field

[dense agate]

some random guy claiming to be the brother of Jesus end up causing 70 million casualties in China lel

[shy summit]

You realize the F-16 is not our primary aircraft for air combat?

That would be the 22

[feral river]

ah for the most advance one we got J-20

that can match the F-22 but not as many we have

[shy summit]

The J20 is reduced visibility the 22 is stealth

[feral river]

well J20 is a stealth

[shy summit]

Its reduced visibility not stealth

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

[feral river]

see

it's better than F-22 (probably)

[shy summit]

Unlikely

China has been trying to get the 22specs for years without success

They wouldn’t do that unless there was serious concern that it posed a threat

[manic juniper]

It looks like a woman from medieval times

[main bison]

thats cool

[feral river]

The J-20 is the world's third fifth-generation stealth fighter to enter mass production and service after the US F-22 and F-35.[21] It is also the world's first fifth-generation stealth fighter with a two-seat configuration.[22]

[stray coral]

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit

[manic juniper]

This one is going to be replaced by the B-21 Raider

[shy summit]

The Tzar Bomba’s cool and all but most of today’s payloads are just better because they’re self propelled

[lavish creek]

https://youtu.be/s_WMnVBjDmw?si=W45AvZIdcaocWXSD

[lavish creek]

Well Russians used to say their weapons are the best too you know

But the reality showed us ....

US weapons are always tasting all around the world and there is more transparency, soooo

[stray coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EjkJ6_8qu8

[knotty flare]

yo help me with my eng homework I beg

[true steeple]

What part of the US is best for a living according to you guys?
What state of the US, to be exact

as cheap as able
and that doesnt smell as fucking weed
i mean, for a common man who wana lives in peace
im able to buy a car and maybe I will be able to move for 2h in car at maximum

For technology stack

[quasi needle]

los angeles

(ironically)

[true steeple]

Not the right channel to be a clown

[pseudo ocean]

wym

[quasi needle]

i pray on your downfall

[lime jolt]

The black machine is dating a piece of paper
There were fire holes, hells with the faker
curtains make a good joker
Fuck haters, sister you a waiter

[lavish creek]

Alaska

Everyone heard some stuff about South (Texas, Florida, Arizona, Alabama, etc), about California, NYC

[true steeple]

Yea

[lavish creek]

But has anyone heard anything about ALASKA?

Think about it

[true steeple]

I don't know, the only thing I know about there is that it's cold.

[lavish creek]

Which is great, isn't it?

[true steeple]

hell nah

just imagine going to the beach or a lake, chill vibes

that shounds better

[lavish creek]

No .

[true steeple]

a lake where you will sure you will not got freeze 🤣

So whats your point man

with alaska

Okay, yes..... What more? Hm.. That shounds right

[feral river]

Hummm what about Boston ?

or Wyoming ?

[true steeple]

Sent you PM, check if thats not a problem for u.

[feral river]

I don’t consider transparency is a positive factor for one’s military

But for sure US military is 1st in the world

[manic juniper]

The latest American weaponry isn't known to us at all, for example we know next to nothing about the B-21 Raider, the substitute for the B2-Spirit

In NATO the public only knows in detail about weapons from 1995 like the Millennium Cannon, Skyshield and all of that

[serene moss]

Hello! Is there someone here an expert of stylistics?
I'd like to ask... What kind of foregrounding is the usage of figurative speech?

[feral river]

Great to mourn the American people who died in September 11 attacks, and appreciate after all sort of such horrific events comes out, for destroying terrorism with profoundly and utterly declaration of war on terror had been released.

Ah not this one

[prisma cipher]

It just a numbers. We playing with numbers. If it comes to a real clash, neither side has experience using these weapons in such quantities, and the US could be very surprised by what China shows.

War is an operation with so many variables that it is very difficult to calculate. And you can't say China has 1 tank and the US has 4 tanks, then China will lose.

[feral river]

That’s another thing in real combat but by numbers of strength and resilience US has a lot more powerful stuff than we have

No any nation which participates directly into the war will benefit from a long-term war - Sun tzu (the art of war)

And I don’t think neither China and the US has ability to destroy another nation in a very short time based on general war

[prisma cipher]

the us has never faced an enemy with enough strength. what if being half as strong as the us is enough for their political system to break, we don't know. so it's just a numbers game.

But china way stronger than that

[feral river]

We beat Americans in Korean War, Vietnam war

And American supported Kuomintang regime

[shy summit]

911 was a culture shock to many but in no way justification for what the US would do in retaliation

[feral river]

That’s what they should do

[waxen hill]

but when american dropped two nuclear bombs? who beated who there 🤣

after japanese destoryed their most important port

[feral river]

American beat Japanese ?

We have nuclear weapons too, Russia also have that

[waxen hill]

im talkin abt ww2

not now

[feral river]

Well obviously they kick Japanese ass

[shy summit]

There is no justification for the shit we pulled in Afganistan

Civilians should never be the target or the cost of a military or government operation

[waxen hill]

but now if us hits first russia or japan or north cores they cant shit the against

[feral river]

What a shame Biden retreat from Afghanistan

Trump will never do that they gonna transform the afghan country in their influence

Becoming the new puppet state of America

And influence Iran

About civilians I would say they should not be, but if they involved into the war the civilian casualties is inevitable

They sure don’t need a bunch of civilians but they urgently need another puppet with way more less opposition powers in the Middle East

That’s geopolitical problems not a childish game should decide to kill or not

The only resolution of that is conduct a war called war on terror

That’s one of the few wars that most global power including Russia, China, US and Europe agreed and cooperated together

Superpowers is the player, regional powers is the chess, and the non-powers losers is the chessboard

[turbid harbor]

and here i am reminded why none of your warhawking and right wing robotic bluecheck twitter geopolitics opinions never merit any serious discussions ever

[shy summit]

It was a waste of lives and resources

[prisma cipher]

[feral river]

That’s a crazy investment for your long time future but Biden screwed it

Imagine there’s a US dominated order in the Middle East

Make everyone depend on the US in everywhere forever

[feral river]

I didn’t see you even arguing with the hard truth articulated by me

It’s not a childish game, it’s the freaking life for numerous people in the US

It’s the solution they can get rid of their domestic problems by external war and reshaping their influence and order in any region possible

That’s our dream if they don’t come to those region we gonna took over all of them and establish our own rule

They already have their backyard South and Latin America, western axis of Europe, Australia, American proxy of Israel, South Korea, Japan

[shy summit]

There was never going to be a return. It was a waste of American lives

[feral river]

I don’t really see the unrealistic leftist utopia will be achieved under no force involved

[feral river]

Do you rather have an Afghanistan living condition with no people died or a global superpower that expand their influence all the time and conduct war against their enemies and gain profit from it so you can afford more stuff ?

Think a second when holding your iPhone and wonder how those cheap products come from

And your USD that dominates the global trade

And your prosperity state that bring numerous opportunities to you guys

Remember your state is the USA, United States of America, not the United States of the World

[shy summit]

I’m well and aware, I’m simply against human rights violations

[feral river]

Human rights or something are tools for you guys to expand your influences and project your power to the state who violated them

Not the tool that used for regulating yourself you are in security council who can challenge you ?

[shy summit]

I’m painfully aware of America’s role in the substantiation of suffering in this world. And I work to stop it.

The reason I’m a POLS major is to mitigate the harm we do

If not suspend it emtirely

[feral river]

That would be the destruction of America

Also the end of the democratization and rights

What you are doing is to end the human rights, fr

Do you think if you stop America will we stop ourselves? Or Russia ?

[shy summit]

Do you understand what my job is?

[feral river]

Not really idk what’s POLS

But i know you are an American

[shy summit]

Political Science

[feral river]

So what does that stands for ?

Can you explain it

[shy summit]

I study governments, their histories their current actions, I predict analyze and study policies

[feral river]

Cool so why did you got such conclusion that you guys need to stop America ?

[shy summit]

The Afganistan war was, in all honesty a lie, 9/11 was a genuine failure of homeland security but it was an excuse that Cheyney needed to give his benefactors what they wanted

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Afganistan

[feral river]

That’s your narrative obviously

[feral river]

Yeah it’s true but it doesn’t matter

You guys need to set up a puppet government in Afghanistan to influence Iran

And Biden screwed up that plan

[shy summit]

Do you- not understand why Iran is so bad atm….?

Or- which president ordered the pull out-?

[feral river]

Because of america ?

I would say they already want to dominate the Middle East already they even got a war with Iraq

[shy summit]

Because we did exactly what you just suggested we do in Afganistan

[feral river]

Yeah so why not continue to do it and screw Iran up

That’s what you guys need to do

[shy summit]

… okay I’m going to say this slowly

We.

Already.

Did this.

In.

Iran.

That is why.

It is so bad there.

[feral river]

But you guys retreat from there and you didn’t stop the Iranian revolution

If you use your mighty hand to suppress them what would comes out will only benefit your great America

[shy summit]

The culture isn’t ready for democracy they need years of social development and distance from conflict.

If we did that then it wouldn’t ever become a democracy

It needs time and distance from conflict

[feral river]

Does it really matter ? I don’t see Saudi’s a democracy, neither the South Korea in Korean War, and South Vietnam, Cuba, those are all authoritarian states

I even doubt Israel is a democracy

But they work and they fight for Americans

And you know Iran’s geopolitical location and how much resources they possess

[shy summit]

I agree they aren’t but I wish them to be.

[feral river]

You can, after taking over all of them

You can’t just let them go and fight you even

[shy summit]

Then that wouldn’t be democracy

To become a state the people have to want it, vote for it

[feral river]

I don’t think they are a democracy or not is a matter but the interest of American nation and people

[shy summit]

Our interest is in the development of our democracy and burgeoning democracies on the planet

[feral river]

What’s the point of let them go and fight against you back ?

I just don’t get it

[feral river]

That’s such a pretty old slogan from the Cold War era

Cold War is ended You win

[shy summit]

I think you’re missing the point. I don’t want the palm of the US crushing down on people. It goes against my values

I don’t see why that’s so difficult to understand

[feral river]

You mean your values above the interest of Americans ?

Or you truly believe that your values can benefit American more

[shy summit]

My values don’t stop at my nation’s borders

[feral river]

Okay anyway I get it

Maybe it’s my bad I use my value as perspective to see this world

“Serve the people” - Mao Zedong

[shy summit]

My values are not conditional on the ethnicity or race of the person. People are people. And while I am loyal to my nation I will not seek to cause harm. If an action must be taken the goal is to mitigate harm in the process.

[feral river]

It’s hard to say…. But it’s Marxism

[shy summit]

Its not

[feral river]

You should read some book from Karl Marx

[shy summit]

Its a modified rendition of Utilitarianism.

I do not seek to cause harm, and I do not partake in joy of it if and when it must be done

[feral river]

You can tell me the difference between Marxism and your utilitarianism

[shy summit]

Utilitarianism is about providing the greatest possible happiness to the greatest number of people. I twist that slightly and see it as a harm scale.

Marxism is a theory of social evolution, if not a theory by which you use to explain events within a paradigm. It sees things as a struggle between the common man and the ruling man. That capitalism uses imperialism to delay the inevitable revolt of the common person

Socialism is a cousin to Marx’s communist ideas but they are on different sides of the social spectrum

Authoritarian and libertarian are frequencies of control a governing body has on the movements and actions of a given population. Authoritarian regimes usually do not last more than 100 years at the longest without a violent shift in power, or fall apart entirely

Thus the four scales of the political spectrum.

Social progression,

Social conservation,

Authoritarian

Libertarian

[feral river]

Isn’t that pretty close to Marxism ?

[shy summit]

No,

Marxism as I said is a theory of class struggle

[feral river]

According to what you have said your value are unconditional on the ethnicity and race of the person or even nationality that’s definitely what internationalism communist would say

That’s even part of the ideology of troskey

[shy summit]

No that just means I apply my morals consistantly

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism?wprov=sfti1

[shy summit]

Troskey simply applies the marxist idea on a global scale

I do not

[feral river]

But what you have said are kinda relatable with his ideology

[shy summit]

Many ideas are but that doesn’t mean I agree with him.

For example the state level of analysis has much in common with other system levels of analysis but that doesn’t make them the same

[feral river]

Okay but at least you are on the spectrum of socialism

I’m a right shithole promotes absolute capitalism with limited social Darwinism and nationalism to achieve so-called socialism in one state

[shy summit]

Oh I’m definitely a socialist just not in the same way as others are

Economic Democracy

[feral river]

Not surprised you would support Harris now

But I don’t think she will win

Have you vote yet ?

[shy summit]

Mail in ballots aren’t out yet

Harris will likely win given recent events. Trump’s sentencing is soon anyways, he’ll be spending time in prison reguardless

[feral river]

no more impeachment 😭

[shy summit]

Impeachment is for sitting office holders

He was arraigned

[feral river]

btw my trump baby will handle this he already dealt such thing 4 times

[shy summit]

He hasn’t been sentenced yet

Only one of the 4 trials has concluded with him guilty on all charges

His punishment is being decided

[lavish creek]

I meant the inner transparency within the system.

Who spent how much under which administration

• there is a well-known tension between the navy and the army which also pushes the need to prove the real need and efficiently

[lavish creek]

The US got it first and could bomb you easily, but they didn't

Btw Douglas MacArthur was wishing to drop some to communist but u see, you guys are still alive

Imagine in this particular time there were as evil and malicious people as Bush, would you justify it as you justify war on terror ?

[lavish creek]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States–Taliban_deal

It was his idea

I'm curious why you think America lost the Korean war

There are South Korea

[lavish creek]

https://tenor.com/view/hm-gif-24606491

[obsidian shore]

No

[shy summit]

What do you mean no?

Dude got cooked and looked like a literal moron on stage

[lavish creek]

He is

He is always repeating himself even in one sentence, saying something again in again

I thought it sounded okay for English speaking you know (I mean, when i translated that to my mother tongue in my head it's just absurd) but it seems you know it's sound stupid even in English

[lavish creek]

https://tenor.com/view/reagan-ronald-dumbass-strait-gif-8286072

[feral river]

You mean we need to appreciate that they didn’t drop the bomb on us lmaooo

At that time we are allies with the Soviet Union

[lavish creek]

Soviets achieved nuclear weapons in 1949

[feral river]

And we fought American back to the 38th parallel line, saved North Korea

[lavish creek]

Well you (not only you but Soviets) didn't conquer the South part

So why do you think you won

Seems like I'm more of an American patriot than Nale (American)

[feral river]

They didn’t directly participate the war they want our ports or Busan ports controlled by North Korea

All we want is let North Korea survive

We didn’t interfere the war when North Korea is invading the South

[lavish creek]

Well look at the map during the war

So that means you won ? Lol

[feral river]

Dude I looked that map can’t even count how many times

Look the timeline of the war and the time of Chinese intervention

All we want to let North Korea survive and they survived

[lavish creek]

Then German delegation also won in 45

They just wished the survivor of the German somehow

[feral river]

No idea on what you are talking about

[lavish creek]

Those dude on western part of Germany too, they wished the West would conquer them, not the Soviets

[feral river]

That’s our strategic consideration which we based on implementing our own decisions to participate the war or not

Idk why you are focusing that we didn’t achieve what we wanted

[lavish creek]

It's clearly a draw at least

[feral river]

Uniting Korea ? That’s not our idea

We just got a civil war why would we need another one so soon

[lavish creek]

Without considering that u with Soviets are neighbours, while there are Pacific Ocean between Korea and US

[jolly agate]

hello beings of the highest light

[lavish creek]

You should be really proud yeah

[lavish creek]

That doesn't mean to win the US, especially in the proxy war

[feral river]

They got ass kicked as you can see

[lavish creek]

They are still there around

Not only in Korea

[feral river]

Yeah but uniting Korea ? No way

There’s no way you can invade North Korea and threatening us

[lavish creek]

Well you should be really proud you country is supporting people like Kim and supporting keep north Koreans as animals

[lavish creek]

You ?

[feral river]

Why wouldn’t we like a natural neutral or not neutral buffer state ?

[feral river]

US

[lavish creek]

I'm not from the US lol

[feral river]

Idc what North Korea do, but be exist and fight Americans back

That’s what we need them to be functioning

Our buffer state

[lavish creek]

And u see why many people prefer the US as world hegemon, coz they (at least ritorically) don't support things like let's keep those people in barbaric conditions coz it's for "our national interests"

[turbid harbor]

marxism condemns that the socioeconomic prosperity of a nation is nurtured by the widespread practices of labor and wealth extractions of lower, much more underdeveloped and vulnerable class society. "ethical" utilitarians simply acknowledge this reality and sometimes try to morally reconcile with it, hence why nale's stance hinges on finding more diplomatic ways to soothe America's interest to better their democracy without coming off as too apparent in bludgeoning other democracies

this is also why, harrowingly, a sizable chunk of kamala voters, however their rationalizations, consider the Palestinian genocide as a "single voter issue"

[feral river]

You mean that’s not Marxism but a standoff between Marxism-Tyrotskey communist and democratic socialism

It’s neither the reactionarism or revisionism

Anyway I can’t find a better word to describe this type of ideology

[feral river]

Ah cuz they got more economy power yes

[turbid harbor]

i was answering on nale's behalf that what he believed in isnt marxism, yes, and it literally doesn't have any marxist characteristics whatsoever because he refuses to ideologically confront the existence of the state apparatus as an agent of economic imperialism 😭 he was just saying, word for word, the centrist moralization of the war economy, while advocating for more diplomatic approaches

[feral river]

I would say we are also managing every inch of Chinese territory even in far-west regions like Xinjiang Tibet you can even see there’s a megacity

[feral river]

But how does that make sense to socialism without communism ?

It doesn’t make any sense according to Karl Marx

[turbid harbor]

i brought none of those up i was talking about nale's argument

[feral river]

I mean I understand he’s condemning about imperialism and expansion of national interest on power by force and he want to be reconciled with those bloody conflicts

[lavish creek]

Well it's central Marx' idea

[feral river]

That all make sense but one thing it doesn’t make sense is how is that socialism without communist ideology?

[lavish creek]

World communist

[feral river]

Even it was a typical Trotsky-internationalism

[lavish creek]

It was the Soviets who invented "communism in a particular county" in 30th

That's why those guys didn't value Russia

[feral river]

Well if you know what Soviet really means I would say that’s literally democracy

But ruined by Stalin

Stalin transformed all of those into a real red empire

[lavish creek]

For them it's just wood for the world's fire

[lavish creek]

They themselves called it proletarian's dictatorship

[feral river]

That’s just totalitarianism with state capitalism

[lavish creek]

No

[feral river]

Bullshit with proletarian say that to Ukraine farmers

[lavish creek]

That's how Lenin described the future

He despised parliamentarian democracy and democracy in general

https://www.marxists.org/russkij/lenin/works/37-2.htm

Революции — локомотивы истории, говорил Маркс. Революции быстро учат. Рабочие городов, батраки деревень Германии и Австрии быстро поймут измену делу социализма со стороны Шейдеманов и Каутских, Аустерлицев и Реннеров. Пролетариат отбросит прочь этих “социал-предателей”, социалистов на словах, предателей социализма на деле, как отбросил он в Россиитаких же мелких буржуа и филистеров, меньшевиков и “социалистов-революционеров”. Пролетариат увидит,— тем скорее, чем полнее будет господство названных “вождей”, — что только замена буржуазного государства, будь то самая демократическая буржуазная республика, государством типа Парижской Коммуны (о котором так много говорил Маркс, искаженный и преданный Шейдеманами и Каутскими) или государством типа Советов в состоянии открыть дорогу к социализму. Диктатура пролетариата избавит человечество от ига капитала и от войн.

This dude is just fucking moron

[feral river]

That was all started by Lenin’s obsession on centralized power

[lavish creek]

No

Actually it's not the case

https://histrf-en.com/articles/formation-of-the-ussr

It was Stalin who was obsessed with centralised power

[turbid harbor]

what is

[turbid harbor]

i mentioned nothing about socialism without communism DOTP SIOC lower phase none of those things omg 😭 what does explaining marxist view of international relations have to do with any of those

[lavish creek]

In russian about it https://elib.bsu.by/bitstream/123456789/295228/1/18-23.pdf

[lavish creek]

Mostly we associate permanent revolution with Bronshtein (real Trotsky's surname) but it's Marx https://www.jstor.org/stable/23557709

I read too much about all these bullshit in several languages. And, as Eastern European mate, I proudly renounce it as moron stupidly and shit. American dudes, don't be stupid and don't be socialist

[lavish creek]

As a term within Marxist theory, it was first coined by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels as early as 1850, but since then different theorists - most notably Leon Trotsky (1879–1940) - have used the phrase to refer to different concepts.

In a nutshell

[turbid harbor]

i said nothing about the perm revolution where are you guys getting these 😭

[lavish creek]

Here

Well if I misunderstood that or misinterpreted I'm sorry

[manic juniper]

His name really was Brostein

Was he the friendliest Jew to ever exist?

[lavish creek]

After Netanyahu

[manic juniper]

Why humans need to come up with all these complex systems instead of just copying parrot societies

[lavish creek]

Do you have a twitter account?

[manic juniper]

No I don't like seeing insane people voicing their opinions

[lavish creek]

I don't have one either, but I would subscribe to you if I did

[manic juniper]

Y

[lavish creek]

o?

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[manic juniper]

It means why

[lavish creek]

You always come up with based ideas

Like hating Norsem*n and reindeer superiority

[manic juniper]

I share this opinion with the Sámi

They're basically human parrots, or were before colonialism bulldozed them

[lavish creek]

Now I believe swedes should pay reparations and kneel.

[feral river]

how is that not relating to marxism if it's using a marxist way to explain the international relations 😭

actually she's part of views are pretty close to marxism and it is socialism

about perm revolution that's another thing

[manic juniper]

They kind of do that like most countries with their indigenous people but it's always a blank commitment

[turbid harbor]

jesus christ this guy has an incorrigible one track mind

[manic juniper]

Especially since they, Norway, Finland and Russia would likely never let an international Sámi State exist

[lavish creek]

Well I have read some stuff about commissions of justice or something like that

BUT

[feral river]

EXPLAIN THE ENTIRE SHIT PLEASE

[manic juniper]

I mean why do I even say "likely" there is just no chance

[feral river]

what are we literally talking about

[lavish creek]

I don't see kneeling before every public event or football match

There should be

[manic juniper]

I think Hanaaru is using Marxist philosophy, Marxists don't necessarily need to involve economy in their discussions

[feral river]

I mean whether they involve economy or not, they has possess some marxist characteristics on the other thing like international relations

[lavish creek]

There should be.

[turbid harbor]

HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND THIS 😭

[lavish creek]

Literally the future

[turbid harbor]

THAT IS LITERALLY MY POINT

[manic juniper]

Because their approach is different than that of non-Marxists, it puts emphasis on the exploiter and the exploited

[feral river]

MY FUCKING POINT IS IT IS NOT RELATED DOESN"T MEAN IT"S NOT PART OF THE MARXISM

YOU CAN"T SAY YOU DON"T SAY THE ECONOMY SO IT"S NOT MARXIST WAY TO PERSPECT THE SHIT RELATIONSHIPS

[manic juniper]

You can have Marxists that are against socialism/communism like Slavoj Zizek (I'm sorry I'm too lazy to switch to the Slovenian keyboard)

[lavish creek]

Weeeeell there are different Marxism philosophy tbf

Like Frankfurt school

Clarify which you means

[feral river]

ah shit

why is it hard to understand socialism isn't just about economy ?

[turbid harbor]

i fucking give up you win whatever

[feral river]

no heck don't give up explain this

why socialism is only about economy

what the heck dude

[lavish creek]

I have read his book about COVID, it looks to me pretty socialist tbh

[unborn shuttle]

🛡

[hidden marten]

https://discord.com/events/801609515391778826/1283145779644596256/1285638900940800000

[turbid harbor]

?

[hidden marten]

@static pivot

[manic juniper]

Shield 🛡️

[lavish creek]

@manic juniper what Sami ppl would say ?

[hidden marten]

Sami ?

[manic juniper]

I don't think she or I said that, just that there are different approaches some of which reject the proposed solutions or aren't necessarily about finding one

[feral river]

I'm lost

I always guessing what you guys are talking about

[manic juniper]

I don't know, they probably think that there aren't differences between men and women besides how they dress, there used to be centuries ago

[turbid harbor]

same can be said for us to you

[manic juniper]

It's just Marxist philosophy

[feral river]

till the socialism without communism, marxist views, economy

I don't freaking even know what's the problem with economy

[lavish creek]

Aren't there different roles ?

Like men are fishing women are cooking

[manic juniper]

I don't think there ever were, they were hunter gatherers

[feral river]

I'm talking about ideological marxism

[manic juniper]

Both do both things because they were hunting and gathering

[lavish creek]

Damn

[magic olive]

Welcome netizens

[feral river]

my point is always freaking you possess some characteristics that you can't say you get all rid of this

[manic juniper]

There used to be more male shamans but the most powerful Sámi shaman recorded was a woman

[lavish creek]

Why are you still using modern technology and living in the village? Join them

[feral river]

that was definitely a fucking bullshit

[manic juniper]

They have a camp not far from where I live, also I live next to a village but not in it

[feral river]

for instance the socialism, communism, views based on marxism, or philosophy and other stuff

[manic juniper]

I'm 1-2 km away so I'm even more isolated than they are, since I have no neighbours

[feral river]

ideologically you possess those factors, you can be identified as a marxist in some circumstances

that's what my freaking point is

[lavish creek]

Loool

You are some occultist girl

Forest fan

[feral river]

I just don't get it how is that non-marxism with socialism ?

how the fuck that could be

[magic olive]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gossip-listening-suspense-drama-gif-13117366258359790345

[manic juniper]

The thing is you can use Marxism philosophy alone to analyse the progress of history and even prehistory (although I don't agree with this part because it's only assumptions about those humans) and the power structures

[lavish creek]

@manic juniper u https://youtube.com/@user-gk8tm6kj3i?si=1Nx9hPDJnj5XZiF7

[feral river]

yeah I can use that and I don't say I'm not using it to analysis the progress of history, or social development or something

[manic juniper]

Why is there a rabbit

[feral river]

the point is why the fuck they are using it while saying they are using another stuff rather than marxism ?

like I have a pro-authoritarian mind I call it democratic

[manic juniper]

No I don't think she denied it, she just said that she didn't involve any of those DOP or similar tropes, which she didn't

[lavish creek]

They are also wrong and Eurocentric about modern history and social formations but let's argue about that next time

[manic juniper]

I think it could be dangerous to cut down a log with the rabbit near, what if he jumps there

[lavish creek]

He is his only friend

[feral river]

dude 😭

[lavish creek]

It's usually about social formations ideas

They are well used all across sociology discussions without even mentioning Marxism

[feral river]

sigh

[magic olive]

Who won
I wanna know

[manic juniper]

Where

[lavish creek]

You tacitly also actually used those ideas (they are wrong)

[manic juniper]

I don't think there is a discussion right now

[magic olive]

I was left on unread

[turbid harbor]

ok i think i understand the huge flaw in his mindset, im not looking to spontaneously engage in petty debates and to that end, im going to block the guy for a while. but throughout the entire argument i've only seen him push this pretense on me that what i tried to complement nale's reasoning with, particularly the contempt towards the state as a participant in economic imperialism, meant that i was orienting towards suggesting that America should've been a socialist state, in order to rework their political and socioeconomic sustenance from capitalism, or establishing an socialist international climate.

i brought none of those up, because i was, in all brevity, ONLY trying to explain that nale's views aren't marxist plain and simple. i wasnt even trying to argue with him, either 😭

[magic olive]

[heavy obsidian]

Who native speaker(english) on here?

[lavish creek]

Hanaaru

[turbid harbor]

im not

[lavish creek]

She is even better

[turbid harbor]

english is my third language

[lavish creek]

That's why u are even better

[heavy obsidian]

We're same

[turbid harbor]

how does that make me any better

[turbid harbor]

uhuh

[heavy obsidian]

I'd like to talk & enhance my english with native speaker because they're helpful

[turbid harbor]

dont look for advices from me please

dont ask me to be a speaking partner either

[lavish creek]

That does . Just does.

[manic juniper]

Yes I didn't read it all but I get her view in contrast with yours

[manic juniper]

Are you Sundanese

[turbid harbor]

wow

how the fuck did you get that right

[manic juniper]

Pure luck, not joking

[turbid harbor]

how eery

[manic juniper]

I spoke to two Sundanese people yesterday and I felt lucky that you were one too

[turbid harbor]

anyways yeah i speak sundanese on a second language basis.

[heavy obsidian]

You're indonesian?

[manic juniper]

Nope

[rugged vigil]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1834372707649265826

Elon Musk (@elonmusk) on X

@WallStreetSilv I have a bad feeling about this

Twitter · Sep 12, 2024, 11:25 PM

[lavish creek]

Ig it's her first language then

[heavy obsidian]

How could you speak sundanese? Sundanese is part of region language in indonesia

[manic juniper]

Do you know that your myths could be the oldest historical events recorded in humanity? They reference lake Bandung and that thing stopped existing 20k years ago

[manic juniper]

We were all speaking English

[heavy obsidian]

I see

[manic juniper]

Maybe I would learn it but I don't have enough time to learn another language (at the moment)

[lavish creek]

It's a regional language in Indonesia.

As Finish actually.

[manic juniper]

Yeah Indonesian should be a variant of Malay or something

[lavish creek]

They are all part of great Singaporean Empire

[feral river]

the only different betweet you and me is on whether the nale's point is marxism or not, in my opinion it was and you think it's not

no matter you admit it or not, it contains marxist ideas

[turbid harbor]

now, that's the thing....they weren't trying to pose any opposing view, there was no anti-commie argument starters sown in the discussion as far as im concerned. they simply had a one-track understanding infused by his affinity for global warfare that they kept pushing the angle that i was engaging with the topic from a geopolitical vein

when i only made a surface-level observation 😭

[turbid harbor]

no it doesnt

[manic juniper]

Wasn't it basically "It's still supporting imperialism but in a less aggressive way"

[turbid harbor]

yeah i was describing nale's attitude and thats just it

[feral river]

socialism, but not socialism, communism, but not communism, that's the conclusion I observed from their statements

I would simply consider they do know that was a marxist idea but they don't want to recognize it because some specific reason

[manic juniper]

I once said that USA isn't a good ally because years ago they exposed spying of European politicians (that's confirmed, not a conspiracy).
And she basically said "Deal with it" I mean ok I guess

[lavish creek]

Weelll

[manic juniper]

I am not completely against USA because it would go against my and our interests but I believe that we should suspend all relations once they're not needed anymore unless they change the way they operate

[dapper laurel]

Nale is such a nice guy

[feral river]

he's a socialist

[lavish creek]

Classical Marxism = french utopism+ Anglo-Saxon economic sciences + Hegel's philosophy

[turbid harbor]

this sounds very backhanded

[lavish creek]

So she can use only two first for example but for you it looks like Marxism

[feral river]

IT IS

[manic juniper]

I don't know why someone wouldn't criticise their own government for practicing what's basically illegal surveillance and spying of your closest allies, if it was my own I'd be ashamed of it

[turbid harbor]

im hopping off then this has been soul-sucking, kinda. remind me not talk here often

[feral river]

IT FUCKING IS

[turbid harbor]

i got class

[dapper laurel]

No way

[feral river]

😭 you can't say you use an marxist example without marxist

[manic juniper]

I'm already ashamed of the fact that we are not helping Ukraine as much as Sweden despite having experiences with the same kind of imperialism

[feral river]

why you guys obsessed with socialist ideas while trying at best to get rid of marxism ?

what the fuck dude

[lavish creek]

Or she used some Frankford school approaches and it might seems to you like neo-marxism

[turbid harbor]

its literally just

[manic juniper]

Poor Hanaaru

She's the most persecuted person here

[lavish creek]

Tbf it's the first time in my life someone admiring he/she is social Darwinist

[feral river]

me ?

[turbid harbor]

there are knives pointed at me for being very fundamental and straightforward

[manic juniper]

Or simply using words that aren't in their internal dictionary

[lavish creek]

Are you talking about this event ? https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-spy-agency-tapped-german-chancellery-for-decades-wikileaks-idUSKCN0PI2AD/

[manic juniper]

Who

[lavish creek]

Yes

[feral river]

such a crap

[manic juniper]

Yes, what a shame

[turbid harbor]

oh yeah 😭

[feral river]

what the heck ur talking about ?

[turbid harbor]

i need to work on that fr

[lavish creek]

https://tenor.com/view/european-union-flag-gif-europe-alisa-gif-27328817

[feral river]

you mean there's another socialism without marxism

[manic juniper]

||She was targeted before for using "advanced" words I guess||

[feral river]

no I'm not saying about advanced words

I mean the freaking socialism how is that socialism could get rid of marxism

[lavish creek]

I'm actually also pretty pro-european without atlantism and stuff (and without federalisation)

[feral river]

how the fuck that can ever happen

[manic juniper]

Why not the federalisation

I am only against the inexistence of NATO as it is because without it many countries would be doomed, I would like to see it gone in the future

[dapper laurel]

Evropa best continent ever

[feral river]

what about me 😭 😭 😭 😭

[manic juniper]

But as it is I wouldn't accept going back to 1939

[manic juniper]

Yes? What about you