🧠｜serious-chat

[full socket]

To me

[thorny steeple]

okay so what u gonna do now

[full socket]

I will try to accept her

Forgive the things I might not like

[thorny steeple]

exactly..cuz its difficult to find someone w a great personality

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Forgiving is hard

[thorny steeple]

so try

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Like I said

[thorny steeple]

uh huh

[full socket]

Yes she is absolutely damm perfect inside

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Take her dude

[thorny steeple]

then what u waitin for

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I mean

[full socket]

But she doesn't have the greatest body or face

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As long as she's perfect on the inside

[thorny steeple]

why u care about looks sm

[main bison]

What flag is ur name

[full socket]

Whenever I'm gonna see someone attractive

I'm gonna have to cope

[ember badge]

It's not about that

[thorny steeple]

uh if looks matter more than personality for u...then idk

[full socket]

Looks matter a bit

Good looks just make me happy

[thorny steeple]

cuz u may find a girl w the perfect looks but what if she isnt good inside

[full socket]

Yeah

[ember badge]

If you want a girl to just sit pretty and treat you like garbage that's up to you but take my advice

[full socket]

That has happened to me too

I've dated a girl with perfect looks and body

But her personality was kinda mid

That made me miserable

[ember badge]

That's your core mistake

Take a girl who would support u no matter the circumstances

[full socket]

Yeah

That means the girl I'm currently talking to

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Yeah exactly

[full socket]

Maybe she doesn't look as good as other girls

[woven stratus]

You should always realize that aging Is inevitable and at old age those features that attract you won’t be present in both the people
But one thing that will persist is the vibe that u created with that person and their character so choose wisely

[full socket]

But her personality is a lottery win

She's also talented and ambitious

[ember badge]

Take her or I will(she would probably reject me)

[full socket]

Like she has dreams in life and she does art

[ember badge]

It's a limited time offer before she finds the one

And that one might want to be you

So take her

[full socket]

Yeah like the only thing that I don't like is her looks

The rest is just so polished and great

[ember badge]

Dude its not about the looks

It's about who will sit by your side when you're on the edge of life

[full socket]

Yeah man

You are right

[ember badge]

Think about it real good

And make your decision

[full socket]

Life is about tough choices

[formal pilot]

Commitment makes decision-making easier and removes any fear of missing out; knowing that what you already have is good enough

But if you aren't sure enough about her, make it clear to her

Get into relationship and go with the flow

But always make this clear to her that you aren't sure rn and you need time

If she's down for it then it's fine, if she's not ready then move on

[full socket]

Thats what I've been thinking. I need more time

[formal pilot]

If she thinks you're 100% ready, it might create ginormous problems

Imagine after getting into relationship you find out it's not the best

It'll be catastrophic for her

[full socket]

Yuh

She's highly emotional

And her heart is so pure

Wouldn't want hurting her

[formal pilot]

That's my guy

[mental spear]

The question about whether God, as an omnipotent being, can create a stone so heavy that even He cannot lift it is an illogical, self-contradictory as well as paradox.

You have to understand what actually omnipotence means,it actually means the ability to do anything that is logically possible. It doesn't include doing things that are inherently self-contradictory or nonsensical.

The paradox assumes a contradiction by asking if God can create a stone He cannot lift. However, this scenario is logically impossible. If God were to create such a stone, it would imply a limit to His own power, which contradicts the concept of omnipotence like creating a square circle, making 1+1=3 or, grandfather paradox.

Therefore, the answer lies in understanding that God's omnipotence encompasses all things that are logically possible or, not self-contradictory and consistent with His nature. It doesn't extend to performing actions that defy logic or entail self-contradiction.

[dapper laurel]

This is a question that often circulates on the internet, to disprove it only the use of logic would be enough since this is a paradox that implies logic. Whoever formulated this question probably did not take into account some logical mechanisms, in particular, according to logic, it is impossible to deny an axiom; In this case the omnipotence of God is an axiom and cannot be denied and asking such a question only turns out to be a paradox. <--- This would be the logical answer. Another answer could be the fact that God is remotely something human, he is more of an entity, always present and omnipotent. The concept of strength is linked to a human conception, but God is not a human. It's something that can remotely come close to it, so this reasoning does not also apply to its being.

[sour marlin]

Shows how broken they are

But the second religion in Russia is Islam

[dapper laurel]

I wonder if there is a correlation between this data and the terrorist attack in Russia

One should first understand whether the attackers can be considered truly religious or not

[thorny steeple]

Hello

Can anyone explain when should one use perfect continuous

[safe crescent]

@formal pilot
r u an ex-muslim?

[safe crescent]

now thats some interesting 😂 question

[safe crescent]

The present perfect continuous tense describes actions that started in the past and are still happening now or stopped recently. It highlights how long the action has been going on.

For example, "I have been studying for hours"
"She has been working on that project all week".

To form this tense, use "have" or "has," add "been," and then the verb with "ing" at the end. For instance: "I have been studying." This tense is great for showing that an action has been continuous and can express feelings like frustration or excitement about ongoing situations.

[formal pilot]

Yeah, i belong to a Muslim family

[sour marlin]

Wdym?

U r being a racist rn

[mental spear]

You belong to a Muslim family but not a Muslim? Your action says that

[formal pilot]

Indeed

[sour marlin]

This is a really broken mindset that only religion causes terrorist attacks

[slow storm]

Whether a person is Muslim or non-Muslim, there is no such term as ex-Muslim.

[sour marlin]

Fr

[slow storm]

Ignore

[silver vault]

Bluff

[mental spear]

Be respectful to all religions and don't try to answer Islam related questions as you're not Muslim, otherwise it will lead people to strife.

[sour marlin]

Yup

[silver vault]

Well aren't you a keen-minded fella

Ex-muslim are raised under islam, and they for sure know what they're talking about. Who are you to tell them their journey doesn't matter at all?

[sour marlin]

Well, we know something

We have the same believes

And even if he is an ex Muslim yet we can understand his beloves

[silver vault]

Sounds like a 'you' problem

[slow storm]

[sour marlin]

Not at all

Its u who got offended

[silver vault]

His ways of perceiving Islam might be different from yours but it doesn't change the fact that you're completely disregarding his perspective.

[sour marlin]

That ex Muslim is my friend and I'm a Muslim myself

[silver vault]

Oh yeah I'm very much offended

Fuming rn

[sour marlin]

We ain't

[silver vault]

Good for you

[sour marlin]

Poor u

[sour marlin]

Chill

[silver vault]

No

[sour marlin]

[mental spear]

Who said that a person born into Islam is automatically raised under Islam? Being an Ex-Muslim doesn't guarantee that the person will not criticize the religion or go against the religion. Even if someone identifies as Muslim but lacks proper knowledge about Islam, they cannot speak irresponsibly about it, let alone non-Muslims. I am simply defending my religion and aiming to prevent others from falling into misconceptions.

[dapper laurel]

Now I'll explain: many people, Russian and otherwise, complained because they thought that this attack was related to religion or the presence of Islam in Russia; so I wanted to understand if Indeed it was so

Nothing racist

[sour marlin]

Well, the people's perception is different, they always blame religion, but remember that the Putin is not a Muslim and this attack wasn't because of some religious goals but for their own desires

[dapper laurel]

I understand, but the newspapers said that the attackers were strictly linked to ISIS

[sour marlin]

Doesn't it mean the ISIS was funded by Russia?

OFC IF ITS TRUE

[dapper laurel]

They also said that ISIS tries to attack a state in conflict with another to destabilize the situation between the two countries

[sour marlin]

Then why the Russia is trying to defend Tajikistan's borders because they were threatened by ISIS?

[thorny steeple]

These ideas are based on the person's surroundings. If this surroundings inculcate good ideas about Islam, then such problems would not exist

[formal pilot]

Wth is going on in here

[formal pilot]

I respect all religion
But what do you mean by don't try to answer islam related questions??
I always discuss about islam

Is it wrong?

[sour marlin]

Nevermind him fgs

[silver vault]

This tbh

Their view of islam and experiences are as validated as those who are currently adhering to the ideals of islam, also just an ex. we can't overlook countless instances where women report suffering oppression because of islam

[formal pilot]

What did I said wrong?

[sour marlin]

Nothing

[silver vault]

You said you were an ex-muslim lol

That thing apparently doesn't exist

[mental spear]

What I meant you didn't understand! I said you can't tell someone about Islamic things without references. As a non-muslim you can't say anything you want like some one wanted to know about if this thing is haram or halal! Or which is right or wrong in Islam.

[slow storm]

Oh please not because of Islam, it is because of society

[mental spear]

Right

[sour marlin]

I never criticized that

[silver vault]

Are you going to deny what those victims have to say just because of your worldview as well?

[mental spear]

This nerds are now blaming Islam

[slow storm]

Yeah

[mental spear]

Islam is the only religion which gives most respect to women

[thorny steeple]

He is not. He is mistaken in his assessment. Although his viewpoint may appear logical, it is ultimately unfounded. The affirmation that there is no God but Allah is supported by an entire religion, which presents a broad spectrum of compelling evidence. Conversely, the atheistic assertion that there is no God is merely an assertive claim lacking any substantiating evidence. Since God is not observable, proving a negative is impossible, making this assertion completely baseless.

[silver vault]

Honestly, fucking-A. Keep going

[dapper laurel]

That's true

As a Christian I agree with you

[slow storm]

Islam never oppressed women. I am a woman and I'm saying this, if Islam oppressed women as educated people I wouldn't say this

[sour marlin]

As Muslim woman I totally agree

[mental spear]

Some people accompany with disbelievers and disrespect their own religion in order to make them happy. They even don't know what Allah(SWT) said in Quran.

[thorny steeple]

Although I believe this is a very bad excuse with all due respect, how about I prove that science is actually incompatible with atheism?

ppl mostly criticizes religious institutions, not their literature

thats the core

[silver vault]

Whole lot of ex muslim and Muslim women would disagree but their struggles don't really matter to you tbh

[slow storm]

Yes. There is a whole surah in the Quran named "Al-Nisa" which means " the Women"

[high saddle]

it's always religion.
--anonymous

[sour marlin]

I agree with u
But just like how Muslims become sensitive and say there is no god but Alllah
Some people like Vivek disagree

[mental spear]

Islam gives respect to Mother 3 times over Father

[sour marlin]

What struggle?

[formal pilot]

https://quran.com/4/34?translations=95,20,101,19,84,22,18,21,17,85

Strike em

[slow storm]

Because they don't study Islam they are only born into a Muslim family, sister.

[silver vault]

Okay and? Did I say anywhere that Islam is the core problem of it all

[formal pilot]

I would love to listen to your perspective, enlighten me

[thorny steeple]

Agreed. It's mostly blaming the car for the mistakes of the driver. I hardly ever find someone is attempting to address the religion itself.

[slow storm]

Yeah, I totally agree with this ayah, but not with the interpretation that is done by the patriarchal society, and so-called sigma male.

[balmy matrix]

No way

[silver vault]

I would like to identify as a Sigma male

[balmy matrix]

I'm reading some cool stuff atm

[slow storm]

Oh really you want to be the one who abuses women and here u are saying women suffer because of Islam?

[formal pilot]

@thorny steeple I'm glad you're here dude, I've lots of questions+ I'm agnostic atheist

||Just sayin if you ever want me to prove how do I know God exists or not, i can't||

[silver vault]

You're so condescending.

[mental spear]

Someone has their own problem doesn't mean it because of the religion. You people always take things in religious way. This is the land of God(Allah) and it's His rules that what we have to do or not because He knows better than us that which is good for us or which is not. So, keep your freedom in your pocket in all cases.

[silver vault]

that's such a dismissive attitude. Just because someone doesn't study Islam doesn't mean they can't have valid opinions or experiences related to it

[formal pilot]

@slow storm @silver vault dude there's no point in arguing like that

[cedar oar]

How can one be both Agnostic and Atheist?

[slow storm]

I'm so sorry 😅

[high saddle]

agnostic, leaning atheist is possible

[cedar oar]

But not both at the same time

[silver vault]

I am not even trying to blame the religion tho? It's not my fault they're taking it like that. Like how insecure you have to be

[high saddle]

you may be both to a degree like I just said 🤔

[gray adder]

or soft-atheist

[formal pilot]

One is a position other one is belief

[high saddle]

such terms :3

[cedar oar]

Yeah, but not both at once

[high saddle]

...you have missed my point 💀

[cedar oar]

How did I? You simply said that you could be an atheist leaning agnostic person. How did I miss it?

[slow storm]

If someone doesn't study a particular thing, how can they speak about that thing, man?

[high saddle]

and you stated that it's not possible to be both at once.
I said that you can, just not in absolute terms.

[cedar oar]

Elaborate, bill

[thorny steeple]

but religion itself refers to an institution so its better to separate religion and verses, we may refer to verses as literary material

[cedar oar]

Yes, and I re-enstated that you can't be them both absolutely

[formal pilot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism#:~:text=Agnostic atheists are atheistic because,or currently unknown in fact.

It's a legit term

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-exploding-exploding-hog-funny-idiot-gif-13702011850125732811

[high saddle]

you never had the "absolutely" part there :3
now it's better

[dapper laurel]

I fully agree with what you say, no one should ever allow themselves to interfere in your affairs with things that don't concern you, but you should do the same. I will never come to a Muslim country to spread Christianity, but Muslims should do the same with us in our countries, without imposing their values on us.

[cedar oar]

I worded it in another way which indicated the same thing

[formal pilot]

Yeah dude some religious folks are volatile

[high saddle]

nah -w-
but now I can agree

[cedar oar]

Definitly did

Yeah, to a degree, fair enough

[silver vault]

Totally unrelated but

[formal pilot]

There's no way he said that

[cedar oar]

Truly a pacifist, peaceful person

[silver vault]

He did, I was there

[formal pilot]

Did he touched you?

[turbid mulch]

hello

[silver vault]

uh no

[formal pilot]

@slow storm epic delete

[slow storm]

💀

[cedar oar]

Your honour, what did he say?

[formal pilot]

Rumours has it, he did some stuffs yk

[formal pilot]

It was unacceptable

[cedar oar]

BJP propoganda! Or something

[cedar oar]

Tell me more

[formal pilot]

@silver vault he's far far away from South Asia but he knows

[slow storm]

That was only for @formal pilot

[cedar oar]

Well, it's not that far on a global scale

[formal pilot]

Instead of abusing eachother, try to engage in good discussion, it'll benifit y'all, just saying

[slow storm]

Yeah, you are right, but I'm not arguing with anyone. U can see my msgs

[silver vault]

He's just that unlikeable

[slow storm]

Epic edit 😅

[silver vault]

I'd rather chew broken glass than listen to that bloke for five minutes

[formal pilot]

He's good with history tho

[silver vault]

Yeh totally, so good he forgot that ladakh was part of India

[slow storm]

Finally deleted 😅 @cedar oar

[silver vault]

And needs his handling

[cedar oar]

Your honour, that's geography

[static pivot]

Totally not true

[silver vault]

There's some historical stuff related to it

[formal pilot]

And ik chocolate broccoli personally, she always raice voice against violance against minorities (specially Muslim minorities)

[cedar oar]

Nothing happened on April 16, 2024!

[cedar oar]

But it's considered to be part of geography, Your Honour

[high saddle]

out of context

[formal pilot]

Palestine is typing

[frosty sluice]

what u think then hinduism religion does ?

[slow storm]

Please 🤣🤣🤣🤣🚶🏻‍♀️🚶🏻‍♀️

[mental spear]

Women are burn alive with their dead husband, so respectful your religion

[severe token]

Do you guys think WW3 is here ?

[silver vault]

How respectful towards other religions these folks are

[formal pilot]

?def
ad hominem

[cursive bobcat]

Word: ad hominem

Definition (adjective): appealing to personal considerations (rather than to fact or reason)

Definition requested by awesome_bill

[slow storm]

Do u know about "sati"

[static pivot]

Entire religion is fake then?

Any religion which claims itself to be the one and only religion is fake

[formal pilot]

You should try to answer his questions/pov instead of creating new question

There's a process

[static pivot]

I do, again. Cite proof

Where does it say anything about sati in Bhagwat geeta

[slow storm]

He did not question any thing

[static pivot]

It's like avoiding questions

I'm not here claiming my religion to be one and only true religion

But you guys are

[formal pilot]

Totally not true it was his pov
You should Elaborate him why it's true
Then you can ask questions from him, there's a process

[mental spear]

Where does it says in Bhagwat geeta to worship statue, not eating beef and drinking urine!?

[static pivot]

Cite the proof of it, where does it say in holy book to burn geeta

[static pivot]

So you don't have any proof

Ok gotcha

I don't drink urine

Statue is an idol

[mental spear]

You guys do it who doesn't even follow your religious scripture

[gray flame]

Hello

[static pivot]

Not a god

[static pivot]

Show me the proof

Lol

Are you here to talk in air

[gray flame]

So you are saying drinking urine is abusive ?

[formal pilot]

red herring fallacy is an attempt to redirect a conversation away from its original topic

[gray flame]

@mental spear drinking urine is in islam

[slow storm]

Vise versa

[mental spear]

I'm never said that your religious scripture said it and you're telling me to find it in the book

[static pivot]

Yeah, avoid reacting on posts tho

[static pivot]

Ok irrelevant

[mental spear]

It's the you who doesn't know even about your religion

[static pivot]

I'm not even talking about my religion

[mental spear]

Worshipping idol instead of God!?lol

[static pivot]

You started yet you don't have any proof

[mental spear]

So you

[static pivot]

and?

[gray flame]

What is going on with you are you good in the head ?

Are you mocking his religion?

[hushed bear]

What's happening

[formal pilot]

Classic ad hominem

[hushed bear]

I see

[mental spear]

What we started, I think you just read two messages

[gray flame]

Who gave you permission to mock his religion in what kind of islam do get this morals from @mental spear

[formal pilot]

This is not the way discussion goes, it's really sad

[static pivot]

@thorny steeple are you using chatgpt to type here?

[mental spear]

Where I mocked? He even mocked us

[formal pilot]

He said totally not true

[gray flame]

Because you are talking in an abusive way to him

[formal pilot]

Where did he mock?

[static pivot]

No, I didn't mock, I just disagreed with him lmao

[slow storm]

Y u disagree with him, just let us know sir

[static pivot]

He's not ready to listen

[gray flame]

@mental spear you are in no place to discuss or debate about islam if you don’t have information about it

[mental spear]

bro I'm not also mocking, I'm just spitting some truth and facts

[mental spear]

Wdym

[static pivot]

Guy jumped into hinduism, and he doesn't even know that I'm Sikh, and my religion is a bit different. So yeah 👍

[static pivot]

Okay man, next time open this chat when you really want to talk/discuss

[mental spear]

oww really now you took a U turn. Where was your religion when we were discussing and now suddenly!?

[thorny steeple]

is this the religion that gives free food

[formal pilot]

Yeah, they supply free food to everyone

[static pivot]

I never took any U-turn, you just assumed

Started insulting

All I said is, show me proof

You couldn't

I'm still interested in proof

[mental spear]

if you're not hindu then why it hurt you?

[cedar oar]

Stalin would dislike that religion heavily

[static pivot]

Insulting any religion is not ok ig you should know it

[thorny steeple]

What is Happening here

[static pivot]

Right

[thorny steeple]

I ve read smt about debate or idk

[obtuse stirrup]

Wow

[mental spear]

So they can do it and we can't say!?

[static pivot]

lmao

[thorny steeple]

😭

[static pivot]

When did I insult?

[safe crescent]

google it 💀😂

[static pivot]

Who insulted you?

[prisma cipher]

I didn't read but you insulting

[mental spear]

I don't know, is there anything I said that need proof , you're creating logical fallacy! turning things to another when you can't answer properly

[prisma cipher]

[high saddle]

re__butt__al fr

[prisma cipher]

I just realized it's serious chat

[severe timber]

Good thing

[formal pilot]

That's what you did, he disagreed with your views and instead of clearing his doubts or discussing his pov you straight up started talking about drinking urine n all

[thorny steeple]

make #🧠｜serious-chat serious again

[mental spear]

no he wanted proof from geeta and what I said that drinking urine, is this thing mentioned in geeta like the burning one?

[silver vault]

Classic

[prisma cipher]

Give that dude prooof please

[severe timber]

Sat Sri akal paji

[severe timber]

Give proof

Proof

[silver vault]

He got muted lol

[formal pilot]

We were talking about islam and he disagreed on a point, who brings the hinduism?

[severe timber]

Hmm

[silver vault]

Forget about the proof now

[severe timber]

I saw it later

[safe crescent]

💀

[formal pilot]

There's a word
red herring fallacy
an attempt to redirect a conversation away from its original topic

[safe crescent]

how u know?

[severe timber]

He will give proof in mute room

[safe crescent]

nah he will be back then give

[static pivot]

brb, flare you're taking tooo long. I'll be here In a couple of mins again

[severe timber]

In mute time he will do research

[formal pilot]

Make it great again

[main bison]

Is android for poor people?

[severe timber]

Data reveals rich people use Android while pseudo rich uses iPhone

[thorny steeple]

Science is a systematic and methodical approach used to understand and explore the natural world and the phenomena within it. It builds upon 4 fundamental principles for generating knowledge:

1. Intuition: preexisting beliefs and axioms, such as our fundamental belief in causality
2. Reason: relies on axioms like causality and is employed to draw rational and logical conclusions.
3. Experience: observations and encounters that largely rely on the premise that the universe is consistent and governed by fixed laws.
4. Sense: which involves more than just perceiving things; it also encompasses the detection of their effects, such as dark energy.

Adopting the materialistic atheistic view leads to the following problems:

1. No reliable intuition: in the absence of a wise and all-knowing creator, there's no compelling reason to accept these preexisting beliefs and axioms are inherently true, thus denying principles like causality.
2. No reasoning: without reliable intuition, it becomes challenging to draw reasoned conclusions that rely on intuition as a foundational basis, thus, leading to a lack of trust in one's own reasoning.
3. Experience: Given that much of what we understand is seen as products of chance in the materialistic worldview, there may be less reason to firmly believe in the consistency and fixed laws governing the universe. For instance, under this perspective, water could theoretically exhibit unpredictable properties, behaving like fire or rock at different times, presenting uncertainty rather than definitive consistency.
4. Sense: this is one remaining feature that could potentially be effective. However, without the ability to rely on observable effects—like with dark energy, which is an entirely intangible and elusive substance known only through its effects—it becomes challenging to trust in the existence of phenomena such as dark energy.

Therefore, the atheistic worldview is inherently incompatible with science.

[thorny steeple]

not really it depends what you are buying

[severe timber]

Don't spam

[main bison]

pseduo?

[severe timber]

?def pseudo

[cursive bobcat]

Word: pseudo

Definition 1 (noun): a person who makes deceitful pretenses
Definition 2 (adjective): (often used in combination) not genuine but having the appearance of

Definition requested by locosa

[formal pilot]

Brb a fight is going on near my house

[bold kelp]

People who pretend as rich

[severe timber]

You live in the UK and still don't know the meaning of it

[thorny steeple]

he dropped fr🥵

[thorny steeple]

Now you've made two bold assertions which require substantiation:

1. "There is no God".
2. "Any religion which claims itself to be the one and only religion is fake".

[obtuse stirrup]

Who needs functionality and affordability when you can just flaunt your brand name right?

[severe timber]

Nothings wrong in 2nd point

[main bison]

i don't

[bold kelp]

That's it

[severe timber]

You said this in chat many times

Anyways who cares

[main bison]

i did not

[manic juniper]

Drinking urine seems like a common theme in many religions

[formal pilot]

I'm into it ngl

[formal pilot]

Gimme time to read and digest

[thorny steeple]

Lol. Seems like everybody hates when I type for long periods. I take care to proofread my messages carefully to ensure they're clear, grammatically correct, and contain accurate information.

[bold kelp]

What drinking camel urine?

[main bison]

is this quran?

[manic juniper]

Hadith, the source is at the bottom

[main bison]

what's hadith

[manic juniper]

No idea

[thorny steeple]

thats better

[severe timber]

@slow storm

[slow storm]

Read the whole

[slow storm]

Yeah

[cedar oar]

As serious as this chat

[slow storm]

U took this pic?

[manic juniper]

? What is there to read, it's saying to drink camel urine as medicine

[severe timber]

💀

I thought it was a general chat

[slow storm]

What prophet did with those

[severe timber]

Yep, I do

[manic juniper]

Those who

[severe timber]

I will post it again in some other chat

[static pivot]

Are you using chatgpt?

I refuse to believe it's written by a human

Just answer me yes or no

Because then it defeats the purpose of this channel

[obtuse stirrup]

I can assure its not gpt generated

[static pivot]

Based on?

[obtuse stirrup]

No plagiarism

[static pivot]

Plagiarism is different

AI, like chatgpt is different

Look

[thorny steeple]

i don't think he uses it, but after a while, the flow of the discussion may pause during a long writing process

[static pivot]

98% AI detection

[obtuse stirrup]

Well

[manic juniper]

Shiiit

[formal pilot]

Please don't say that, I was brain storming

[manic juniper]

98% droid score

[dapper laurel]

How embarrassing

[manic juniper]

HE IS A SYNTH

[obtuse stirrup]

Gpt 🤖

[static pivot]

https://gptzero.me/?type=OAuth-success#

[obtuse stirrup]

Vivek caught him

[manic juniper]

It's true, they are already among us, I can't believe the Institute is so advanced now

[thorny steeple]

1. This isn't an argument; it's a complaint. It's honestly frustrating to see that this represents the pinnacle of intellect or engaging in intellectual discussion.
2. Some medicine contains components derived from snake venom, I don't hear you complain about such things.
3. The Hadith narrates an incident from the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) where a group of people afflicted with illness came to Medina, where he resided. The Prophet advised them to use camel urine and milk as a treatment, and according to the Hadith, they recovered from their illness. It's important to consider the cultural context of this treatment, as it was known in their society. However, it's noteworthy that after their recovery, these individuals committed a crime by killing the doctor and stealing horses, which adds further context to the incident. That's the story of this Hadith in a nutshell.

[manic juniper]

With the camel urine?

[slow storm]

With the people

Just give a read

[manic juniper]

? I just said that camel urine seems to be mentioned in reigious texts

[manic juniper]

??? Am I supposed to care, I was just pointing out something since someone else also mentioned urine

I don't care about what he did to some random people, I wasn't debating or arguing

[thorny steeple]

after a while, the flow of the discussion may pause due to long writing process

[manic juniper]

I didn't even complain about camel urine so please read again instead of making up stuff, thanks

[static pivot]

98% AI score again...

[obtuse stirrup]

💀

[manic juniper]

I feel like this guy doesn't even read what I say and just passes it through the AI instead

[static pivot]

lmao

Flare, where are you from? I love your English.

[thorny steeple]

You mentioned that it's a common theme, which is also untrue.
I apologize if I misunderstood your statement and interpreted it as insinuating that Muslims commonly practice drinking camel urine. It came across as insulting, and I'm sorry for any confusion.

[dapper laurel]

Maybe he has Asperger's syndrome that makes him write this way, who knows

[obtuse stirrup]

Who needs critical thinking skills when you've got a handy AI to do all the heavy lifting Right?!

[thorny steeple]

i mean, it HAS a medical purpose but it was never mandatory.

[manic juniper]

It's a common theme, someone else mentioned urine in another religion so I thought about searching its cultural significance

[obtuse stirrup]

It's like bringing a calculator to a math test and claiming you're a genius

[thorny steeple]

Egyptian

[manic juniper]

I don't know any Muslim that drinks camel urine, it would imply the existence of hidden camels in the Arctic Circle

[obtuse stirrup]

Who knew debating could be so automated

[dapper laurel]

Humans are such simple creatures

[manic juniper]

Yeah I just pointed out that it's mentioned

[thorny steeple]

what?

[obtuse stirrup]

💯

[manic juniper]

It's difficult to access camel urine where there are no camels, just like I don't think lingonberries grow in the Sahara

[thorny steeple]

Why do you think that's relevant?
I rely on AI sometimes to detect unintentional errors in my text, and get insights to improve my writing style.
If you believe this is somehow undermining my argumentation, you're mistaken.

[thorny steeple]

explain more watcha wanna say exactly I'm interested

[manic juniper]

?

I said what I said without any filter, if you didn't understand just read again

Simply put I live in the Arctic Circle so we don't have camels here, people would have a hard time finding camel products of any kind

[thorny steeple]

i mean yeah camel urine comes from camels, lingo berries can't be found in Sahara, what exactly you wanna say 😭

im using grammarly free, its only change things like 'a' to 'an', 'the' to 'these', etc.
according to context
additionally google translate little bit

[dapper laurel]

No, you don't use it for this, you simply copy and paste what it tells you, the texts you write do not reflect anything of your real thoughts

[thorny steeple]

so you don't need to drink that, and actually if I have a camel i would never drink it tbh

i mean if you're a Muslim

if you ain't so still you don't need

[manic juniper]

I recall Bear Grylls using a dead snake as a sack to carry his own urine to drink it when he would be dehydrated

He said that you can only do so twice before losing any benefit to that practice

[thorny steeple]

Please consider that cherry-picking Hadiths and making irrelevant comments in a middle of an ongoing discussion might cause confusion and assumption that you're intentionally aiming to portray Islam in a negative image.

[cedar oar]

How did we go from womens rights in Islam to camel urine?

Lurking MF

[thorny steeple]

i remember seeing something like that on national geographic

nah

[cedar oar]

Some true serious chat action, if you will

[manic juniper]

I've read previous messages and I did some research on my own to find out about the meaning of urine across religions

[silver vault]

You missed a lot

[formal pilot]

Well it's true that science is built on axioms and pre existing knowledge but we don't follow them blindly, they're continuously tasted, according to your point scientific method requires a belief in creator
But in reality it requires experiments n all

I need time to response to all the point

[cedar oar]

I was not really actually asking it. It was just a satire question

[formal pilot]

Lemme cook

[obtuse stirrup]

🤖 🧠

[thorny steeple]

wait before you cook tell me what's the topic

[cedar oar]

You're burning this channel down!

[thorny steeple]

It's really frustrating that the focus of the discussion shifted to directing assumptions about my actions and making claims about my writing style, instead of addressing the content of my argument.

[manic juniper]

This is from the Bible

[obtuse stirrup]

Content of "your" argument or AI's?

[cedar oar]

This too, is from The Bible

[formal pilot]

2)No reasoning, how?
Reasoning is based on logic, evidence experiments not only on intuition

3. experience

[dapper laurel]

And it's also really frustrating to say that that writing style is yours and that those thoughts are yours when that's not true

[thorny steeple]

I didn't even rely on AI to write this sentence at all. Anyways, wait in the queue, I'm in a middle of a discussion with @formal pilot . I'll be responding to your false accusations later.

[thorny steeple]

i think I'll read the bible after those, I actually have the bible but i was too busy to start reading it

I'm curious about Christianity

[cedar oar]

I would like to interject a moment to present forward my sentiment of, "Anyways" not being a word. I believe people commonly mistake it for, "Anyway".

[manic juniper]

Only one reptile is capable of producing fully liquid waste to my knowledge

[thorny steeple]

your server link ain't working

[dapper laurel]

These are not false accusations, rather yours is all a mockery towards us, if we wanted to ask something to an AI we wouldn't be talking here

[manic juniper]

I don't know if that is urine or something else though

Yes, it's urine, surprising

[cedar oar]

Prepare for a long long ride

[formal pilot]

3. reasoning
   The consistency and laws of the universe are not assumed to be product of chance in a materialistic worldview. Instead they're observed patterns that held true across countless experients

Let's give you a water example as I can say you kinda like water

Boiling point of water isnt by chance, it's a constant physical property

[thorny steeple]

i mean, urine is urine for any creature who pee

[thorny steeple]

i don't mind, ik that bible is way longer than Quran but they are interesting

damn

[formal pilot]

4th point is about sence and you gave an example of dark energy

I'm really tempted to go full nerd mode on dark energy

[thorny steeple]

Experiments primarily rely on cause-and-effect (causality) by subjecting variables to test and measuring the outcome.
Your argument would be circular if you rely on cause-and-effect to prove experiments are reliable, in order to use experiments to prove cause-and-effect are reliable.

[formal pilot]

Bish zip your mouth like capybara

[obtuse stirrup]

Vivek clearly exposed your reliance on AI yet here you are shamelessly denying it like a fraud. So quit embarrassing yourself

[manic juniper]

They have slightly different compositions also animals expel wastes differently, mammals use urine and excrements while 99,999% of reptiles (ostrich excluded) use uric acid excrements

[thorny steeple]

you don't need to cry so much about someone using the "calculator" in the math exam, just do the same or cry about it

[static pivot]

@thorny steeple stop this AI man

[thorny steeple]

nice

noted

[static pivot]

You're defeating the purpose of this channel

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

qhat

w

[craggy sphinx]

[thorny steeple]

maybe just Google translate 😭

[craggy sphinx]

?

[obtuse stirrup]

Calculator? I was being sarcastic there

[thorny steeple]

what*

[manic juniper]

Whenever I don't know what to say I ask the chicken to debate in my place

[craggy sphinx]

what what

[thorny steeple]

im now being sarcastic on your sarcasm

[thorny steeple]

my cat do that

[craggy sphinx]

mmm, chicken, nam nam

[craggy sphinx]

it is already destroyed. There won't be the same chat

Deal with it

[heavy forum]

does anybody here use owo?

[thorny steeple]

some questions can't be self answered

[heavy forum]

I'm in debt bruh pls someone help

[thorny steeple]

some of my Friends

[heavy forum]

200k

[craggy sphinx]

I can answer any question

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-cry-about-it-meme-gif-20184012

[heavy forum]

never thought I would fall in debt for owo bruh

[craggy sphinx]

God, world, philosophy etc

[thorny steeple]

lmao

[heavy forum]

I can make it next day, BUT TODAY IS THE DEADLINE

[craggy sphinx]

hah

[thorny steeple]

no one can answer anything

[craggy sphinx]

np , you may think so

[formal pilot]

Dude have ever did an experiment??
We're aware of circular reasoning, that's why we emphasize the peer review and replication of result

In science we don't use casualtiy to support reliability, we use empirical strategy/evidence

[thorny steeple]

God punished his prophet Moses because he was arrogant and thought he knew everything, so who are you?

[heavy forum]

''all I know is...ManhwaFreak deserves Owo money''—Pluto

[formal pilot]

Which has shown constantly cause and effect relationship

[dapper laurel]

Anyone interested in genetics and anthropology?

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah

[dapper laurel]

I found my people!!

[craggy sphinx]

for reference:
The scientific method is not the only method of knowledge.

[formal pilot]

Dude i wrote full book on dark energy then I have to erase

[thorny steeple]

Reasoning relies on innate beliefs and axioms as its foundation, principles like absolute truth and causality are absent in the first place as I previously mentioned. Given that, we cannot rely on it as the starting point.
It's evident when observing arguments that are fundamentally atheistic, such as universe out of nothing, or evolutionary processes that result in a highly complex and interdependent organic systems that are all subject to coincidences and chance-based mechanisms.

[prisma cipher]

scientific experiments are published in scientific journals that are reviewed by other independent scientists.

[dapper laurel]

You know the steppe people, right?

[formal pilot]

Common i can't argue with gpt

[craggy sphinx]

I will do everything possible.

[formal pilot]

Lmao

[craggy sphinx]

where's Gpt?

[thorny steeple]

can't even understand a cat and says;

[dapper laurel]

There was a person who was using it to make an argument 💀

[formal pilot]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[abstract cypress]

There's no "absolute truth" in the first place. Everything we know about the universe isn't fixed and is constantly changing as we discover new things. Scientists are already questioning the standard model of what happens after the Big Bang when the Webb telescope showed that the universe didn't expand at a similar rate everywhere.

[thorny steeple]

i fuckin agree

[craggy sphinx]

Yes, in the scientific sense this is true.

but this is not the only method of knowledge

[prisma cipher]

Nothing fundamentally changes for a long time, knowledge is simply supplemented

[abstract cypress]

Because we don't know exactly what everything is, our knowledge changes

[manic juniper]

There is an absolute truth, we just can't know it or we barely do

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah

[craggy sphinx]

I laugh at those who claim that “emperism” is all they have, lol

[formal pilot]

Now you're about to trigger my existential crisis

[abstract cypress]

Therefore claiming to know "absolute truth" is idiotic, proud, overbearing, and selfish. Sorry not sorry.

[thorny steeple]

yes it exists but we humans are so limited to know such things

[manic juniper]

Emperism isn't even an actual word

[craggy sphinx]

lol, “rationalism” then too😂

because they are connected

[abstract cypress]

Idk, I'm perfectly fine with that. We don't know everything and can never claim to be. Beauty is in discovering new things.

[formal pilot]

Let's start nationalism vs globalism

[cedar oar]

Globalism

[formal pilot]

Statue of?

[manic juniper]

Internationalism

[craggy sphinx]

let's go baby

[formal pilot]

It's like communism, looks good on paper

[craggy sphinx]

I don't like communism

[prisma cipher]

This argument is used by everyone who defends religion. but it work both ways

[manic juniper]

It works fairly well at least in the EU

[thorny steeple]

Experimenting, while relying on reasoning, is more accurately categorized under experience and sensation, not reasoning.
To prove my point about reasoning, explain to me without relying on axioms why is circular reasoning illogical.

[abstract cypress]

Hypothesis is an assumption about something. We do research according to the scientific method to confirm our hypothesis. But that doesn't meant we're always right forever; it just meant our assumptions are confirmed for this time.

Einstein famously rejected and replaced Newtonian gravity, which is kinda considered "absolute truth" for people at his time.

[craggy sphinx]

this is emperism

[formal pilot]

globalism is a lolipop, powerful countries give to poor countries
Nationalism is best for survival

[craggy sphinx]

Reasoning - rationalism

[manic juniper]

Many European countries would be quite poor if they were too nationalistic to this day

[cedar oar]

I'm curious as to what you'll get on this test

https://8values.github.io/

[manic juniper]

Countries like Slovenia, Croatia, Estonia would be some of the poorest in Europe

[abstract cypress]

The theory of gravity according to Newton is his hypothesis that he has tested and proved accurate to his assumptions.

But it became obsolete anyway

[craggy sphinx]

I also didn't always trust logic.

[cedar oar]

This should be orbitally manuevered to sling itself to #1218635314000560248. I'm suprised that that channel still exists

[formal pilot]

What about when war starts on food and water?

Nationalism will give atleast some opportunities to people in terms of getting water and food

Globalism will only benifit rich elites

[manic juniper]

We don't really have those in a long time, there could be rationing

[manic juniper]

Nationalism most likely will also serve rich people but gives an illusion of power to the nation as a whole

[abstract cypress]

Idk. Religions are human constructs.

I personally am an agnostic - I don't know whether there's a god or not, and I'm not so proud to claim either position. I'm just a humble man with so few knowledge, so I won't assume something big about this world and force people to accept that my belief is most true.

[cedar oar]

You better get something close to this

[manic juniper]

Most Germans didn't become rich during or before WW2, there was just an illusion of a better future

[formal pilot]

If you're poor in a country your chances of getting water is higher

[craggy sphinx]

good man. but your beginning completely destroys your subsequent words.

[thorny steeple]

@formal pilot
I hope you're not getting distracted during our small discussion and are mostly engaged in responding to my points.

[prisma cipher]

the more science knows, the further religion moves away. It's just like that.

[cedar oar]

Bill, I don't get it. If humanity stops trying to kill itself. What's the harm?

[formal pilot]

I've to do brain storming to reply on your point, yk human mind is not that productive

[static pivot]

@thorny steeple I'll mute you now

[formal pilot]

Anyway I'll get back to you with my response

[static pivot]

Enough gpt

[abstract cypress]

I mean, historically it is. If you want to drag this further then it would be a religious debate. Which I'm not keen to entertain. But to each their own opinion.

[formal pilot]

Gimme time

[abstract cypress]

Yes... maybe this is why people in developed countries are less religious

[thorny steeple]

No worries. 🤝

[formal pilot]

Give him a chance, he's really active here and over #💻｜programming
He contributes insightful pov most of the time

[prisma cipher]

People in developing countries are dump

[thorny steeple]

My apologies, could you possibly explain the reason for muting me?

[abstract cypress]

I wouldn't think so - as Marx puts it, religion is the opium of the masses. It gives them solace when they need hope. To me that's the main function of religion, as a coping mechanism.

People in developed countries live an easier life. They already have coping mechanism in the form of their wealth.

[craggy sphinx]

no, that's not the point.

At the beginning you accept “religion is a human invention ”, then you write that you are an “agnostic” and know almost nothing. What is your maxim based on? You should have refrained from such a loud start.

If you are an agnostic, you cannot neither deny nor accept. You can discuss, but do not present it as the ultimate truth.

[prisma cipher]

politicians use religion to control people, but religion arose by its own, in an attempt human to explain the world around them.

[formal pilot]

Infact religion played a huge role in human evolution

[prisma cipher]

It might be a good thing

[abstract cypress]

I do not deny nor affirm god. Remember that religion is a human construct, while god, if he exists, would be a being beyond everything that exists. There's religions without god too (advaita hinduism, buddhism, taoism, &c.) and they're definetly human constructs as well.

I claim no knowledge pertaining to that subject. Religion, on the other hand, like all aspect of human society - economy, statehood, wars, &c. - can be studied through history and is definetly man made.

[prisma cipher]

Religion keep people together it's not always bad

[formal pilot]

Just to get denied 💀

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[dapper laurel]

Lol

[craggy sphinx]

oh damn it. Good luck man!

[abstract cypress]

If I were to pick a concept of god that makes the most sense to me, this would be it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para_Brahman

[thorny steeple]

true

[static pivot]

@thorny steeple wanna see sm funny?

[thorny steeple]

true

[static pivot]

Some people never learn

That's ok to report me

But he used chatgpt to report me

lmao

[prisma cipher]

Ok

[formal pilot]

💀

[static pivot]

I support democracy

And anime girls

[thorny steeple]

next generation brain rot

[prisma cipher]

Reporting vivek is super stupid ngl

It like fight with wind

[abstract cypress]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(religion)

For me this is one of the most interesting concepts in religion.

The notion that all we experience is just an illusion compared to the reality of God is mind blowing. It's like we're just dots on a paper or lines on a drawing compared to deity. But somehow we're a part of it

[prisma cipher]

It's philosophy

Philosophy is lame in my opinion

[abstract cypress]

it's a part of religion too

just like the book of ecclesiastes influenced nearly every western philosopher

[prisma cipher]

the philosophy is, that if you can express your thoughts with beautiful sentence, you have won.

[abstract cypress]

thats poetry lol

[prisma cipher]

philosophy-poetry same

[formal pilot]

Hell na, philosophy sucks

[prisma cipher]

Philosophy-poetry lame. In my opinion

Don't like both

[abstract cypress]

philosophy is the father of all science. People practice logic using philosophy first

Thanks to philosophy we have maths, flowcharts, calculus, physics, technology

[thorny steeple]

why do you think it is lame?

[hushed bear]

@thorny steeple you're buddhist?

[thorny steeple]

yes i am, why you asking?

[prisma cipher]

@thorny steeple this is why

because under the guise of philosophy you can promote any nonsense

[hushed bear]

Just generally

[thorny steeple]

oh okay then

[hushed bear]

Where are you from

[thorny steeple]

thats secret!

[thorny steeple]

what about you?

[feral river]

Kawaiiiiii!

素敵な女の子ですwwwwww

So damn cute and lovely

Anime 1st

[hushed bear]

Wow

[hushed bear]

India/Bhaarat

[cedar oar]

@dapper laurel, you're Christian. Correct? I'd like an explanation for Joshua 1:18 please

What a coincidence, as just when I entered here again, you started typing

[onyx hazel]

可愛いすぎる

[dapper laurel]

Yes, I'm Christian and I'll try to answer this question. This bible verse seems rather harsh when compared to the the purpose of the Bible and the Christian religion, but it is correct to contextualize. The words of this verse are addressed to Joshua, successor of Moses, who will be destined to lead the Israelite people towards the conquest of the promised land. The particularly harsh words in the verse are used to try to "train" the people and make them obedient so that divine will is carried out, but it also teaches us to have faith and to be strong and courageous and have faith in God. Military discipline is also another aspect to consider, since at the time it was very important to have an army ready to defend one's religion from heretics or external threats, because, remember that being a heretic is a sin that will be severely punished by God.

What time is it there?

It's crazy, here it's 19:12

Central european time

[dapper laurel]

@cedar oar Here's my answer, let me know what you think...

[cedar oar]

Thank you for your answer, however. Why are those words used to, "train" the people? Why not more serene things such as peace, comversion and/or tolerance?

[dapper laurel]

Because there were different needs, unfortunately in that period all peoples were hostile to the Jews, their only chance to survive was war

I'm not sure, but I believe Joshua 1:18 is from the old testament

Christians also believe in the new testament for a reason

[cedar oar]

God could have just aided them if they followed his word, without all of that unnecessary, "discipline", no?

[cedar oar]

Then what is the old one for?

[dapper laurel]

It's not that simple, the God of the Jews is different from the Christian God

[cedar oar]

I believe we're both talking about the Christian one

[dapper laurel]

But this writing refers to the Jews, the Messiah comes later and it is a uniquely Christian thing

[cedar oar]

I'm confused. Why does it matter who it refers to?

[dapper laurel]

I was not very accurate, I can tell you that the old testament It was very different from the New Testament, first of all it was written in a different era, in which war represented a normal social protocol, but sometimes the Bible also functions as symbols and allegories. Death, for example, can be understood as physical punishment or something like that

The old testament is mostly Jewish, so it doesn't quite conform to the new testament

[thorny steeple]

arent the abrahamic religions are the same in their core

[cedar oar]

Man, this is confusing

[wooden pendant]

except they say that the old one was corrupted by humans

[cedar oar]

I know that they're drastically different, however. If God is a being without limit to his power. Why is he not promoting peace and serenity there?

[dapper laurel]

So, look at it this way, in the Bible there is a process of revelation of God, in the old testament the divine laws are highlighted, but while in the new one new teachings arise such as love towards others and forgiveness

[cedar oar]

So why were these virtues postponed until the New Testament?

[dapper laurel]

We can say that these virtues are also present in the old testament, just think of Osea 2:19

[cedar oar]

Well, if they were present, then why not teach those too to the Jews? Are they not better lectures than war and destruction? Again, God could protect them, as he is omnipotent.

[dapper laurel]

The concept is simple, in the Bible God is explained 360°, in the old testament the pact between God and the people of Israel is described, and for this reason God is described as punitive, holy and right. In the New Testament, other qualities of God are described, such as love and respect for others

[dapper laurel]

They were present, but the Old Testament favored other teachings. Unfortunately they were different times, there was a very fragmented world and no one was willing to convert to a foreign religion, war was necessary

[cedar oar]

I shall continue this debate after dinner

[dapper laurel]

Btw, where are you from?

[dapper laurel]

Tag me as soon as you can

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel i did not know that you were in funime

[dapper laurel]

Yes, I am aware that I am a sinner

[cedar oar]

I have returned

[thorny steeple]

okay

[dapper laurel]

I should go out of there

[thorny steeple]

do it then

[cedar oar]

Isn't there a definitive list of God's teachings? Instead of it being split into 2 places.

[dapper laurel]

I left it rn

[cedar oar]

The wretched country of Armenia

[thorny steeple]

i see that

[dapper laurel]

There are the ten commandments

[dapper laurel]

Not bad, it's a good country, a Christian country

[cedar oar]

Yeah, but other than that, the Old Testament seems to be more violent

[cedar oar]

Eh, it's a bad country. I loathe it utterly

[dapper laurel]

They were different times, war was a common habit, it can be said that the real revolution occurred with the coming of Christ

[dapper laurel]

I hope it can join the EU one day

[cedar oar]

Yes, it was a common thing, however. Why did God not protect his believers in another way other than preparing them for war?

[cedar oar]

Oh, me too. I could only wish it did, and that the British were in it.

[hushed bear]

I'm never gonna stop while I'm hard workin'
I am in a zone where you can't step in

[dapper laurel]

At the time there was a different concept of God

[cedar oar]

Could God not change those concepts in his favour?

[dapper laurel]

I can't explain everything precisely, I'm religious, but I don't study religion, I'm only 15 years old

[cedar oar]

Hey, me too! (I'm also 15)

[dapper laurel]

God cannot intervene in human affairs, but he gives us the powers to try to avoid conflict. For example, if God gave me the use of my hands and I hit a person and say that it was God who make me do that, I'll be a liar

[cedar oar]

So he is not omnipotent?

[dapper laurel]

Furthermore it can be said that in that verse the clash was inevitable, the land of the Jews was occupied and the only solution for the Jews was war

[dapper laurel]

He is omnipotent, but he has no interest in intervening in men's affairs regarding war and conflict

[cedar oar]

Or, God could intervene with his divine powers some way or another

[cedar oar]

Why does he not try to stop it? It should after all, be an easy doing for him.

[dapper laurel]

Otherwise all the wars that exist even now could be stopped with the intervention of God, but he somehow has to understand who is truly religious and who is not

[cedar oar]

Please elaborate upon that last part

[dapper laurel]

This is the final judgement, God does not want to intervene in earthly reality, but will give eternal punishment to those who have been sinners

[cedar oar]

Seems kind of cruel

[dapper laurel]

It is stupid to invoke God in useless human matters, rather one can ask for his help in spiritual problems

[dapper laurel]

This happens in all religions, even the Jews believe in God, but this did not prevent the Holocaust from happening

[cedar oar]

Why is it useless? Billions suffer because of it

[cedar oar]

But the other religions don't matter here

[dapper laurel]

On the other hand, those who are really religious in this world, many pretend to be religious, or they are casual. Today's generation is little close to God

[dapper laurel]

But it is also true that these dynamics happen in all religions, so why treat Christianity as an exception?

[cedar oar]

I'm not treating it as an exception, this just seems like whataboutism to me. We were judging the Christian God's actions, not the other ones

[dapper laurel]

Who are we to judge the actions of our God?

[cedar oar]

We are humans and can judge him. After all, we are suffering because of it

[dapper laurel]

No, we do not suffer because of God, but because of what we do

[dapper laurel]

And one of the main messages of the Bible is not to judge others

[cedar oar]

He could intervene and stop the suffering

Yes, I know you said that he doesn't concern himself with human affairs that much. But c'mon, man. He could stop the suffering of billions of innocent people

Also, @formal pilot, don't think I didn't see you

[formal pilot]

Goddammmmit

[dapper laurel]

This is where free will comes into play, God gave men the opportunity to choose for themselves, we are the cause of our own evil

[formal pilot]

@thorny steeple

Muted

[cedar oar]

Sure, but according to Genesis, they were persuaded by satan, I think. Why must the entirity of humans suffer because of it?

[cedar oar]

Oh, God damn it

[dapper laurel]

I don't want the arguments of a chatbot

[cedar oar]

You should've read what he said in that now-deleted courtroom, also his previous messages

[dapper laurel]

What did he say?

[cedar oar]

He used it to improve his English, in short (missing details)

[dapper laurel]

We have the possibility to choose between good and evil, if humans choose evil it is only their fault

[dapper laurel]

This is false, he copies and pastes what chatGPT says

[formal pilot]

He's active here before the launch of gpt

He did mistake by copy pasting

But in general he's a good guy

[dapper laurel]

I hope so

[cedar oar]

Yeah, but why do the innocent suffer because of it? God could do the right thing intervene in the suffering of billions

[formal pilot]

Aren't Good and evil subjective

[dapper laurel]

The innocent suffer now to go to heaven

[cedar oar]

Well, according to Christianity, I don't think so

[cedar oar]

There is no need for their suffering at all. They could just go to heaven straight without suffering.

[formal pilot]

My device is hanging

It was by mistake

[dapper laurel]

God is not subjective, evil can be subjective, but a normal person realizes what good and evil can be through conscience

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately this is earthly life, God cannot be stereotyped or idealized

[formal pilot]

Brb

[cedar oar]

God could still protect the innocent, but alright. I'd like another debate, this time about natural disasters. Why do they happen? Volcano eruptions, that stuff

[thorny steeple]

maybe we shouldnt personify God

[cedar oar]

We are judging him by what is usually considered good and evil

[thorny steeple]

if its real, judging wouldnt help

[cedar oar]

We were simply having a debate

[thorny steeple]

tru, btw ur vocabulary is tremendous as what i see from chat

[dapper laurel]

Why criticize his vocabulary???? If anything you should debate the concepts it expresses, not the words with which it expresses it. You're just offensive by talking in this way

[thorny steeple]

or we can reevaluate the good and evil from a solipsist perspective d:

[thorny steeple]

what

[dapper laurel]

I remind you that the purpose of this server is to learn English

[dapper laurel]

Was I not clear about something?

[thorny steeple]

isnt tremendous mean big

it wasnt sarcasm

nvm

oh fürchterlich means horrific, thats why then, idk german much, i directly translated, u also did i guess

[dapper laurel]

Maybe I just misunderstood

Unfortunately I get confused between languages sometimes

[thorny steeple]

i didnt wanted to interrupt the debate, go on i just did wanted to make an addition

[balmy matrix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/741945274901200897/1127357034665345065/caption.gif

[dapper laurel]

However, I don't think I have time to continue, I have some things to do

[balmy matrix]

chill bros

[cedar oar]

He isn't, quite the contrary actually

[cedar oar]

Yes

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure why we would need to do that for the debate though

[thorny steeple]

arent israelite's god just theirs, so arent they some kind of solipsist as far as i know

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure what you're implying here

[dapper laurel]

I interpreted the adjective "tremendous" with a negative connotation due to tiredness 😅

[cedar oar]

The fatigue part is quite relatable

[thorny steeple]

isnt judaism innate

[cedar oar]

Wait, please elaborate further

[thorny steeple]

one cant convert to judaism as far as i know

so its innate i guess

from mother to child?

[cedar oar]

I believe there was a name for religions like that

[thorny steeple]

This may make them solipsistic because their environment seems to be separated by a very definite line

[cedar oar]

No, I believe those are simply closed-practice religions

[thorny steeple]

oh idk really much so i cant go further lol

[cedar oar]

I mean, you could technically consider them solopsists, depending on the definition you choose

[thorny steeple]

it would be a very stretched definition :d

[cedar oar]

Kind of would be

But anyway, tell me more about yourself. What are thy reasons for joining here, thy religion, political stance. I can only wait to know more, as there is not much else going on at the current time.

[thorny steeple]

im irreligous, maybe a naturalist(not sure about the definition) and politically opportunist i guess :Dhaha

[cedar oar]

Oppertunist?

I meant to inquire about if you're centre-left, leftist, centrist, that stuff

[thorny steeple]

i don't think like a state, I think more like an individual because there are so many factors that will affect the state's decisions, i think my word is completely proportional to my personal power so i have no ideals to guide humanity from above

i say water flows and finds its way, we wont extinct

[cedar oar]

By, "a state" did you mean governments? If yes, they you may be an anarchist, which is leaning on the left. I'd suggest you try out this political test for fun.

https://8values.github.io/

[thorny steeple]

yeah i meant the government, it feels the same 😄

[cedar oar]

You could consider yourself an anarchist then, also a leftist

[cedar oar]

Here are my results for the test by the way

[tranquil shell]

🎭

[cedar oar]

Also, you should've said, "I don't like states/governments" as that is I highly believe, grammatically correct

[thorny steeple]

i've done this test many times in the past and each time i got a different result, i guess my opportunism was expressed here haha

[cedar oar]

Perhaps you should try it for another time?

[thorny steeple]

ok let me try d:

i may be against governments, but im not pro-chaos either

I am collaborative

[vestal grove]

My guy
We are an opp except for the first one

Flare has been typing for very long

Man must be cooking

[thorny steeple]

flare just improvise, it gets better and better

[thorny steeple]

equal opportunity is at the center of my answers

Hello guys! 👋
I've been unmuted, Alhamdulillah. Just dropping in to clarify the issue, as I see many people misunderstood the situation.
I do use AI every now and then to improve my sentences' clarity, accuracy, and conciseness. Using ChatGPT or any other AI models or services is likely to result in flawed argumentation, as AI models are trained on very limited datasets. I've never depended on any AI service to formulate any of my arguments; rather, only to make small adjustments to my wordings aiming for the gaols I've previously mentioned. Opinions are all mine, there is nothing that I copy-paste from any AI model. I don't believe this either undermines my arguments or is something to be ashamed of. If that was the case I wouldn't easily acknowledge that I do use it as I did in #🧠｜serious-chat message .
I'll be attaching screenshots of how exactly I use ChatGPT or any other service to achieve this.

The reason for this clarification is that I anticipate some individuals who would spam "Chat Bot" or "You're using AI" any time I step in or chat with anyone, which would be very annoying given that it's completely false.

Just an additional note, I don't write word by word what any AI model provides except in times when I'm convinced this is the best wording for the idea I want to express. You can easily notice how I made multiple attempts in the screenshot I attached to find the wording that best suits the idea I want to convey. Hopefully you understand. By the way, I didn't use AI to even fix any grammatical error here. This is my regular writing style (My formal writing style).

[vestal grove]

Nah dw bro
I don't understand most of the words that are used here and always use such tools to translate for me
Many people actually do that
We are here to learn and using such tools to improve is actually a really good step 👍

I have some tools built into my keyboard

This new Samsung ai update is really helping me out

[thorny steeple]

improvising is at the center of this server so gotta keep the flow of the debate fast

[dapper laurel]

I took the test on the eight political values

[keen scarab]

Now this is something really weird coming from Muslim leaders

[grave temple]

Not really tho

Shia and Sunni hate each other

And so does Saudi Arabia and Iran

[keen scarab]

Yeah, but to the point of direct or indirectly helping the Zionist regime?

[sour marlin]

This topic hasn't Ended I see

[keen scarab]

Now it ends.

[sour marlin]

Thank god

[jolly agate]

no way bro is too good that he is gpt now

[thorny steeple]

Is using chat gpt bring mute

[jolly agate]

he was joking

sarcastic joke

[thorny steeple]

Well
That's gd

[gaunt bronze]

Omg why did i laugh at that

[jolly agate]

it was funny

[feral river]

Just like CCP and KMT they hate each other but they are more hated the foreign powers

[jolly agate]

.

[feral river]

Not about religion and ideology but interest exchanges they have to corporate against extremism and terrorists

[fluid marten]

I'm a bit confused with your argument. It's literally define what practice is. Practice indeed has a beginning and is characterized by being repeated. What define "practice" even more is that it's the consistent repetition of an activity with a conscious decision to pursue improvement in a specific area.

The phrase "everything is practice" can have a lot of meanings. The saying implies that:

1. all our action are opportunities to improve our skills meaning we can practice good things and even bad things to be even better at those things.

2. Every task, no matter how small, is a chance to refine our craft, learn from our mistakes, and progress towards mastery.

3. It also mean that life itself is a form of practice. It's the journey of self-discovery itself.

[thorny steeple]

but both can cooperate for a common enemy, over all even if they don't agree in some points they still share the same religion, the same god and the same prophet

[thorny steeple]

the point is, we don't need more evidence to see how Arab leaders suck for Israel and usa, Jordan literally paid like 5m to defend Israel from Iran's drones and they said we were just defending our airspace

people being so fucked up those days

[feral river]

comrade

Team authority!

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

L communism

[feral river]

Do comrade = communist ? 🤔

[thorny steeple]

I just attack communists

[feral river]

I thought comrade “同志” = the people who has same ideal, ideology or religion with me

[feral river]

Cool

I don’t like communist too

[tranquil shell]

Um

[sour marlin]

Lmfao

He isn't chatgpt

[formal pilot]

Please don't start it again

[sour marlin]

No

[formal pilot]

It was a warfare last night

[sour marlin]

I'm sick of it

[sour marlin]

Ahh I missed it

[formal pilot]

We fought for flare now he's Unmuted

Now please zip your mouth, you're triggering our PTSD

[sour marlin]

Oh shit

Ok

[formal pilot]

There was Polls & courtroom it was like a legit court

[sour marlin]

I'm getting disappointed

Why I missed it

[formal pilot]

Ngl you're lucky

Welp

Now you'll get to experience it

[vapid hare]

Rip bozo

[formal pilot]

@vapid hare I was reading about Iran and it's allies

Dude china is about to invest $400B in iran

[vapid hare]

They have a lot of proxies, the houthis, hezbollah and hamas (and maybe more idk)

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's like 400B in 25 years

[static pivot]

Private army

[vapid hare]

16 billion every year damnn

[formal pilot]

Brb

[vapid hare]

They're a regional player after all, they wanna expand their influence and assert themselves more

[formal pilot]

Back

[safe crescent]

O:

[formal pilot]

China is investing in other countries like crazy

$2.4 trillion overseas investment from 2005 to 2023

[safe crescent]

@formal pilot wht made u an ex? its very rare to see a Muslim leaving his faith

[formal pilot]

Well I don't think it's that rare

It has something to do with science n all

[safe crescent]

😂ok say no more i got it

[vapid hare]

Aka the belt and road initiative

They wanna foster trade and economic growth worldwide while also furthering their own interests

[dapper laurel]

They want to overtake America by investing and putting Africa in debt

[safe crescent]

serious chat remains serious after all😬

[vapid hare]

Whats worse: imf loans or chinese loans

[formal pilot]

Most of the money goes to countries with hella natural resources

[formal pilot]

So they can exploit natural resources

[vapid hare]

They're calling dips on them natural resources

[safe crescent]

"The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle." - Steve Jobs

[formal pilot]

China buys more than 70% of global seaborne iron ore

Iron mines in china on a pause

First they'll eat all the iron from market then they'll sell it

For higher price

[safe crescent]

@formal pilot so now ur an atheist?

[vapid hare]

I guess they're investing hella money on countries with iron ore then (infrastructure projects)

[formal pilot]

Yeah agnostic atheist

[safe crescent]

o: Big Bang Man

☠️

[vapid hare]

Come back to islam and start your redemption arc

[safe crescent]

Agree 💯

[sour marlin]

I don't agree

[formal pilot]

Well, The Big Bang theory does not really attempt to explain the Big Bang as "origin of the universe". It rather describes the early development of our universe

[brazen hornet]

[vapid hare]

Ofc its his choice, i aint forcing him lmao. Your life your choices, you do you

[formal pilot]

Where's your role

[sour marlin]

Good job

What a nice Muslim

[sour marlin]

U robbed it IG 😂😂😂😂😂

[safe crescent]

Gates Bill

[vapid hare]

Cook tim

[safe crescent]

=
Money

[formal pilot]

Brb

[sour marlin]

Tyt

[formal pilot]

Back

[formal pilot]

They'll be dominating the world

@vapid hare do you consider Iran as a Muslim country?

[vapid hare]

Ofc they're muslim but just a different sect

Who tf is THAT sectarian to consider shias as not muslim

[formal pilot]

Some do

Lemme show you something

@slow storm do you consider shia as Muslims?

[slow storm]

Yes

[formal pilot]

Goddammmmit

[vapid hare]

The ummah is not that divided lmao

[formal pilot]

Iran is getting praised, big up to them

They used to get hate

[vapid hare]

Saudi arabia and iran have set aside their differences for now ig

[formal pilot]

Retaliation to retaliation is escalation
What do think about recent Iran's retaliation?

[cedar oar]

Thanks to Hamas for uniting them!

[vapid hare]

Israel attacked their embassy first so I get the missile attacks are in retaliation but it may have been a bit excessive

[cedar oar]

Ah, yes, I propose we strike the common people of a country because their government launched a few missles on our embassy

[formal pilot]

It was a message, it wasn't deadly attack, countries do that to send a message

[thorny steeple]

Shias are multiple sects.
Some sects are indeed Muslims, although their belief is mistaken.

[vapid hare]

Whoever proposed such an idea should get a promotion

[cedar oar]

All the world leaders will be promoted along with their loyal military personnel

[vapid hare]

Were there no civilian casualties

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah they're branch

[thorny steeple]

@formal pilot
What is laughable?

The sects that are considered Muslims are minorities.

[formal pilot]

Their belief is mistaken

That's what everyone says about others

[cedar oar]

Every monotheistic religion:

[vapid hare]

What do you think about the ahmadiyya and other minor sects

[cedar oar]

Vale, what kind of Mulsim are you? Better not be the heretic kind, or else

[vapid hare]

Im the correct kind ofc

[thorny steeple]

Is your argument: every religion claims to be right, therefore all religions are wrong and laughable?

[formal pilot]

@vapid hare Iran's defence ministry said next attack will be deadly

[formal pilot]

Hell na

[cedar oar]

Let's hope they don't launch some secret nuke, because that could potentially spell the end of us all

[vapid hare]

100 idf soldiers dead less goooo

[formal pilot]

These might be the primary target for Israel

[cedar oar]

Eastern propoganda!

[vapid hare]

Im pretty sure they wouldn't reveal all of their nuclear facilities to the general public would they?

[thorny steeple]

I don't know about those. However, I'm certain anyone who is not following the religion revealed to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is heretic.

[formal pilot]

Lmao

[thorny steeple]

What is so laughable then?

[formal pilot]

Well Israeli intelligence is top notch, they'll find it

[vapid hare]

They believe that prophethood will continue on with another figure

[sudden ocean]

Hi, another asking for a favor, do you have any sepolia eth in your meta wallet? All the faucet platforms require eth balance in my account, and just started getting familiar with blockchain, and the procedure is a little complicated for me to buy a real ether with fiat...

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/face-change-reaction-gif-26159977

[cedar oar]

Jewish superiority, lads!

[vapid hare]

Are they gonna drone strike the facilities?? That would be catastrophic bruh

[formal pilot]

It was just a reaction, there's nothing laughable

[vapid hare]

Get the juice!

[formal pilot]

Most important nuclear facility is literally under mountains it's safe

And other got really dense defence