🧠｜serious-chat

[elfin nexus]

you have free time for everythin. you can do what do you want.

[thorny steeple]

well do what you think is best

go with your heart

[craggy sphinx]

Yes,it cannot disappear

this force varies inversely with the square of the distance, which weakens significantly over large distances

this does not mean that this force can cause movement

for example, if you apply force to move a cabinet, then you need to overcome the force of friction in order for the cabinet to start moving

it is also a force, but a very small one

[thorny steeple]

I can't speak to that, as it's well outside my wheelhouse.

[craggy sphinx]

hello

I don't think this is a good solution

yes, I can organize this, I think everyone will be interested

[thorny steeple]

well think more and talk less

be the observer

[craggy sphinx]

If you trust only your heart, which means that you rely on your emotions, then this is not entirely reasonable.

you must understand what you are doing and what it can lead to. It's also bad because you don't benefit from it. You are making the same mistake by wasting your time

so I think that "following your heart" is not entirely correct

[thorny steeple]

well follow your mind emotions have no power over you think like a stoic

[craggy sphinx]

no, this is not what stoicism teaches

I also think that stoicism is not good

[thorny steeple]

well then what do you think is the right one

[thorny steeple]

I think a balance of the two, appropriate to the situation, is a good approach.

Some moments call more for emotions, while others are more cerebral in nature.

nice

Yeah.

As long as they're appropriate, obviously. 😆

Interesting title; it's piqued my interesting, for sure.

I'm listening. Give me a moment to listen and consider it.

is he a european?

He's British.

Specifically, it sounds like he's from England.

interesting OSM what do you think he is teaching

*frantically types counterargument*

He poses the question, "why are those words considered to be advanced English? Why is 'detrimental' more advanced [than bad]?

Oh dear. His conclusion is that they're advanced simply because they're "used with less frequency". I will absolutely push back on this!

My stance:

Words are more advanced because they are more nuanced, more complicated, are more specific to a use-case (e.g., philosophy), and, perhaps, the pronunciation of the word is harder (e.g., hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia). The frequency at which a word is said holds no relevance to the complexity of a word's meaning(s).

Not yet.

[thorny steeple]

interesting!

OSM are you a history man

To rephrase: I posit that a word is advanced because it is more complex and more nuanced.

'bad' = very simple, with a general meaning. There is some colloquial use of it (e.g., 'badass'), but it's essentially a basic general-purpose word.

'detrimental' = much more nuance! If something is detrimental, it implies that it's damaging in some way (e.g., to one's health) and adds emphasis to the 'bad'-nature of it.

Example:

"My morality is bad."

This indicates the person's morality is simply not in alignment with what is good. It doesn't indicate damage; it's simply 'bad'.

"My morality is detrimental."

Much more nuance! Now this person is implying that his or her morality is so bad that it's detrimental — that is to say — damaging in some way, such as to his or her health or lifestyle, or perhaps even other people. There's much more nuance.

what do you think about morality and ethics OSM

[thorny steeple]

A lot of things, but that's a huge can of worms to open that I don't really have the energy for at the moment. 😆 Maybe another time, though.

[thorny steeple]

ok osm what brought you to discord

[thorny steeple]

I wanted to help people with their English, basically.

It just so happened to evolve into a place I could also talk about philosophy, which was a nice happenstance. 🙂

nice

you are a man of determination

So, this guy in the video does raise a good point, which I'll paraphrase and fill out with my own words:

Essentially, while using more nuanced, 'advanced' words is at times very useful (e.g., in a field of study), it's true that a lot of people don't know or sufficiently understand the more advanced words you might use. Furthermore, it's possible that, due to the accuracy of the word connected to the thought or feeling, there's more room to get it wrong, leading to miscommunication and perhaps even arguments (the bad kind).

Actually, you can find evidence of this during debate, when it's a good idea to avoid definitional issues by clearly defining the word together, such that everyone knows what they're referring to. Have you ever had a heated discussion with somebody, only to find out you two had a totally different idea of what a word meant?

As an analogy, you can think of it like this:

You and your fellow students are in class. Your tutor is at the front, and there's a whiteboard next to her. She writes huge words on it with a broad-stroked marker.

Welcome to class.

You all understand, because the words are clear and easier to see, due to the clarity of the edges of the individual letters.

Now, the tutor writes in teeny-tiny writing, using a more accurate, but thin, marker.

Welcome to class.

Few can see the words. People have to squint. Some can understand, most can't. Some guess, most guess wrong, some are close. There's a general sense of confusion in the room.

While the small letters were fine and more detailed, they were much harder to see and read.

[thorny steeple]

Lol, that reminds me of a very funny video I watched once.
it was titled something like "stop using Hi and Hello, use these words instead", and one of the so-called "advanced words" was literally "Bika Boo".
I mean, imagine yourself meeting someone and instead of casually saying "Hi", or "Hello", you say, "Bika Boo". 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
I genuinely encourage people to be skeptical about from whom are they learning English.

[thorny steeple]

I am ABSOLUTELY saying that next time.

"I genuinely encourage people to be skeptical about from whom are they learning English."

I think this is a great attitude to have, provided it doesn't lead to: "I'm skeptical! ...well, screw college, these teachers are liars, I'm just gonna [illegal thing] all day!"

I think scepticism is very healthy. I've lived my life as a sceptic. I think there's a negative connotation with the word 'sceptic', as though we're all nasty basement-dwelling fiends of the night. A sceptic is simply a person who holds back the addition of new knowledge into their brain, until satisfactorily compelling evidence or 'proof' is given or found.

Sorry, I've just realised I've been ranting for a while. 😆

[thorny steeple]

nah, I think it's totally okay, you're really clearing some misconceptions. greatly appreciated. 🤍

[thorny steeple]

its fine mate

The only thing which comes to mind, is to set yourself a challenge to learn and use at least 1 word every day. Even if you're just telling someone "Today, I learned the word [word], which means [meaning]." But, if you can, try to naturally include it into your speech.

If you've got any friends who're learning English, perhaps you could quiz each other on some advanced words and their definitions. You could come up with a point system and make a game of it.

[thorny steeple]

you are like a wise man osm

[thorny steeple]

Thank you. I'm only as wise as knowing I'm not that wise.

well but your wiseness is indeed a sign of a person that has the motivation to change

[thorny steeple]

I'm almost 40, so I've gone through several changes in my life. I've always been big on self-learning and self-improvement, so perhaps that plays a part in it.

well you remind me of bernard alberstone in his famous video an old mans advice

[thorny steeple]

I really appreciate that.

ok

[humble lion]

@thorny steeple

This chat is serious

[thorny steeple]

yes

[humble lion]

For debates

[thorny steeple]

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What movie or book do you know the most quotes from?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[cosmic quest]

Looking for a New Zeland guy!

[thorny steeple]

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What smartphone feature would you actually be excited for a company to implement?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[charred flame]

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What’s the worst movie you have seen recently?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[jolly agate]

letss see

[minor jacinth]

i think that words cant be related to any of English level , cuz you can even compare that situation with you mother tongue, for example there is the words “Дифференциация» and “разделение» in russian , tbf i didn’t even know the first one cuz it’s not popular and no one use that . therefore there are no “advanced words” there are popular and unpopular words

i’d like to say that i tried to learn these “advanced words” , too, but it didn’t make any sense cuz native speakers speak the way they want to and most often they use avverage words, why should they spend their energy to say a difficult word like “idiosyncratic” insteada “unique”. it doesn’t make any sence for em

[celest furnace]

Hi, I need to do an english proyect for tonight, and I was searching for someone to help me with it, it's a simple conversation (about 7 minutes long)

[unborn stone]

What kind of project is it?

[celest furnace]

just an english project to show our skills with another english speaker

any topic really

[unborn stone]

Oh, okay. I would be glad to help as an English native.

[celest furnace]

great

when can we talk?

[unborn stone]

Oh, I can't talk on voice

I thought you meant more of something written

[celest furnace]

no, afraid not, know anyone who can have a voice call?

[unborn stone]

Oh, sorry no ☹️. Just for extra personal security, I don't talk to people online with voice. Sorry

If there's anything else though that wouldn't require talking on voice call, I'd be more than happy to help.

[celest furnace]

thanks

[unborn stone]

😊

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[serene pike]

What up looking for someone to chat over voice, kinda bored

[serene isle]

Oooh I’m happy to know there’s a serious chat here!

[toxic jay]

May I know what is the risk in vc ?

[serene pike]

available in the Shy VC if anyone wanna voice chat🤘

[worn pond]

You are just shy to speak

[tawny shore]

Huh? What?

[tawny shore]

It looks so.

[versed solstice]

I respect that

[balmy laurel]

go try it.

As Chad said.

[teal imp]

Hi

Add me as your friend

I voice chat you later

Hello everyone how are you doing this is kamal from iran

[royal helm]

@tough gull hey! Sorry for tagging you, but can you change my name in the server please?

[craggy sphinx]

hello

you can do this in discord settings

[royal helm]

Sadly, I don't have nitro to do that

[craggy sphinx]

no, you don't need nitro for this

[royal helm]

Oh, I meant only on the server! Not in general

[craggy sphinx]

I know

[royal helm]

Hm? I'm sorry I don't think I understand you then

[thorny steeple]

Your argument seems to be:

1. Words cannot be related to any English level.
2. The classroom situation applies to other languages.
3. Therefore, there are no advanced words.

The first premise (1) is false, because words can be and frequently are related to an English level; this is commonplace in academics. Paraphrasing your conclusion within a premise doesn't necessarily make your argument more compelling.

The second premise (2) is true. I assume you're referring to the classroom situation and not another situation. However, I made no claim that this wasn't true; in-fact, I had assumed this was a given. While the situation I described used English to illustrate the contrast between the big and small writing, the scenario itself was not specifying the English language, but "words".

The conclusion then brings me right back around to the earlier points I made, thus I find your argument unconvincing. Have I misunderstood you? If so, I apologise.

[gray spruce]

👋 What's the tea?

[thorny steeple]

From a learner's perspective, I can appreciate the lack of a desire to learn more nuanced and complicated words. I certainly don't wish to learn a long list of such German words.

However, when you hear the many advanced words which some do speak, you'll have a limited understanding of what the speaker wishes to express.

as the saying goes always listen before you act

[abstract gulch]

That depends on the person, but I have many friends from old schools and learn how to be social with all ages, all the way from baby's to seniors I learn lots of social skills from my friends at the church, but it all really comes down to your personality, I'm sorry if this offends you but I'm just trying to explain, it is hard for someone from physical school to understand homeschooling without an adjustment phase, we research a lot of things before starting formal homeschool.

Again sorry if this offends you, just trying to defend myself.

[serene birch]

Good morning

Serious, angry and aggressive people.

[thorny steeple]

that's good then

[thorny steeple]

i am a chill man

good morning

[serene birch]

then you are a pumpkin

[abstract gulch]

Good evening

[thorny steeple]

woat

[serene birch]

pumpkins are so cool and cihll

[thorny steeple]

oh

[serene birch]

PumpKings

[thorny steeple]

anyway, sup nerds

[serene birch]

I am very nervous

Damn sunlight restricts the monitor's field of view so much.

[thorny steeple]

why?

[serene birch]

Soo I will have to take out my gun and threaten the sun.

[thorny steeple]

of course it does

sunlight good for u

[serene birch]

No

[thorny steeple]

not for ur electronics

take some sunlight

[serene birch]

All it does is send radioactive frequencies to activate my cells and cause them to age.

[thorny steeple]

i rarely get a chance to take it, even i go for a workout during evening

[thorny steeple]

are you high or smth?

[serene birch]

Aren't we already alive because of the damn sun

[serene birch]

I'm High Elf

Are you?

[thorny steeple]

oh my god, bro

[serene birch]

I prefer Vitamin-D capsules instead of radiation.

That's why elves live so long.

[thorny steeple]

there are many other benefits of sunlight

how much did you drink, pal?

[serene birch]

Yes, the biggest advantage is to live shorter and leave this life asap

[thorny steeple]

oh god

imma better leave

[serene birch]

I think I spilled a little to much water again.

[thorny steeple]

not worth arguing w. you or ur def. trolling

[serene birch]

I am obv speaking very scientifically and seriously.

But of course you have the right not to continue.

Free World...!

[thorny steeple]

i didnt expect that 🤣

then i'd say read some stuff about sunlight and the atmosphere

also about the human body

thats all i am gonna say if u were real serious

not worth arguing about it here

have a good time

[serene birch]

I think you should read it first. The information you read must be old and outdated.

[thorny steeple]

i dont care

[serene birch]

me too

good luck

[thorny steeple]

my information is right for sure

[serene birch]

I guess you are drunk.

[thorny steeple]

no u

[serene birch]

Alchol also has its benefits and harms, but you should prefer water drink.

[thorny steeple]

who asked?

[serene birch]

since I cannot have a proper conversation or argue with a drunk person, it is best to leave the conversation.

[thorny steeple]

says the drunk person

[thorny steeple]

heyo

[abstract gulch]

Wassup bro

[serene birch]

I blew alchol test rn, 0.03 promil. it is forbidden to go to traffic at 0.5

[abstract gulch]

It's 9 pm here

🙂

[thorny steeple]

ayy, nothing much. how about you?

[thorny steeple]

7pm here

[abstract gulch]

Damn

[thorny steeple]

are you in China?

or is your timezone CST?

[serene birch]

It is a very honorable behaviour for people to know themselves. Good evening.

[thorny steeple]

shut up

no one asked you

[serene birch]

You call me drunk for no reason and tell me to shut up. How disrespectful are you?

Watch your manners kid.

[thorny steeple]

nerd, learn to take jokes

and stop being toxic

[serene birch]

you are being toxic

[thorny steeple]

or welcome to my blocklist

[serene birch]

nobody call me shut up.

[thorny steeple]

better

not worth arguing w. u

[serene birch]

you are not only person to here

[thorny steeple]

i see blocked messages

hahahahahhaaa

[thorny steeple]

so aggressive

its ur loss

not mine

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

howdy partner

[worn pond]

@thorny steeple lol what were u guys arguing about? 😄

[thorny steeple]

they are talking about how agressive one is than the other

[thorny steeple]

nothing much

just a weird dude

it happens doesnt it

well i guess that how life is

[worn pond]

@thorny steeple how's it going bro?

[thorny steeple]

good bro

how about you

[worn pond]

@thorny steeple I'm at work rn, and I've eaten too much food 🤢

[thorny steeple]

maybe have a walk bro

[worn pond]

I feel like I'm about to vomit 🤮

[thorny steeple]

always feels like it after overeating

[worn pond]

Cake was a bad idea

[thorny steeple]

what cake was it?

btw

[worn pond]

Napoleon

[thorny steeple]

Oo

[worn pond]

Yeah next time, I'll try not to eat so much

@thorny steeple do you work

[thorny steeple]

i am still a student

[worn pond]

Yeah same here

[thorny steeple]

Whats a Napolean Cake?

[thorny steeple]

im a high schooler, wbu?

[worn pond]

It's like very sweet, and maybe it has honeymoon?

[thorny steeple]

preparing myself for jobs rn

[worn pond]

College

[thorny steeple]

ok interesting

[thorny steeple]

you hitting the high point in life

[worn pond]

Wdym?

[thorny steeple]

well in achievement getting to college

[worn pond]

I'm almost graduating, last year

[thorny steeple]

interesting you a undergraduate?

[worn pond]

@thorny steeple u play video games bro? I find them so beneficial if I learn English

[worn pond]

Huh

[worn pond]

I'm on 4th year, it's the last

[thorny steeple]

i used to play codm, coc, asphalt, real steel etc

right now i am just playing minecraft

[worn pond]

Muahaha

[thorny steeple]

ok so you chose the 4 year plan over the 2 year plan whats the difference

[worn pond]

There is 2 year here

Isn't

@thorny steeple what do you do

[thorny steeple]

ok

[thorny steeple]

well im in high school 10 grade as i burn

last year

[craggy sphinx]

[weary dragon]

Hello everyone

[thorny steeple]

hi mate

[weary dragon]

Wssuup

[thorny steeple]

you a philosophist

[weary dragon]

Not in Real life. But in m'y head yes 😉

[thorny steeple]

hahaha

well you talk with osm

he is a interesting person

[weary dragon]

OSM?

[thorny steeple]

yes

if he active

[weary dragon]

K

[worn pond]

@thorny steeple cool where u from

[thorny steeple]

my parents mate

[thorny steeple]

i mean the Dominican republic and you

I'm here. I see my name mentioned.

[thorny steeple]

I think you mean philosopher.

oh ok

[thorny steeple]

whats the definition then mate

Philosophy typically asks the big questions. Who are we? How do we think? How do we communicate? What is the nature of existence? What does it mean? What is the nature of knowledge and can we really know something? What is reality and does it exist as we know it? What is the nature of being? What is religious belief and is there a god or gods? And so on it goes. Philosophy encompasses a lot of different views and studies, but I generally see it as asking the big questions and pondering them deeply.

A philosopher is one who studies these things, usually academically. Whether or not you could consider a non-academic person who philosophises on a regular basis a philosopher is probably a point of contention, but I'm inclined to believe they are, although I'm admittedly biased, due to my continued and now aggressive interest in philosophy.

[tawny shore]

Hello?

[thorny steeple]

hi

[tawny shore]

hlo.

[thorny steeple]

ok what do you think philosophy teaches in people

[thorny steeple]

where you from

[tawny shore]

India wbu?

[thorny steeple]

live in america

[tawny shore]

Ohkk.

[thorny steeple]

lets talk in general chat

[tawny shore]

I am bit tired now. Maybe later.

[thorny steeple]

ok

[thorny steeple]

Primarily, I think it teaches us to ask questions and to think critically.

[thorny steeple]

like thinking life doesn't give us the answers but sometimes we gotta look for the answers

[thorny steeple]

Somewhat. Some people seem to float through life believing whatever they're told. Such people typically therefore don't challenge their own beliefs and knowledge, which can lead to continued ignorance, an unwillingness to learn, susceptibility to manipulation, and an inability to course-correct.

I think someone like that could benefit from philosophy. Granted, some people might have an interest in philosophy and still somehow manage to remain the same as described above.

[thorny steeple]

yes like being true to yourself without losing your self in the process

Can you identify your true self? At what point do you become your true self? Keep in mind that we are ever-changing; who you are right now, will not be who you are tomorrow.

[dense agate]

well isn't your lack of understanding what is your "self" in the first place what drives you to ask and look for answers to all the philosophical questions about it ?

[thorny steeple]

sheesh what a tricky answer

[thorny steeple]

And this is philosophy.

[thorny steeple]

true or wouldn't it? OSM

[thorny steeple]

well i overthink about it

[thorny steeple]

I suppose you could say that you understand your self well enough to seek answers in philosophy, but this isn't a given at all. One could have largely lost their sense of self, their sense of identity, through a brain injury, but still find themselves conjuring up the meaning to life.

[slender ocean]

~🧐☕

[thorny steeple]

philosophy is the process of knowing asking questions and believing right?

[thorny steeple]

That sounds more like epistemology, which is a part of philosophy.

[thorny steeple]

well the more you know whats epistemology?

[dense agate]

while it's true that a sense of self can be challenged by various factors, including brain injuries, the pursuit of meaning in philosophy often transcends individual experiences. even in the face of identity challenges, the human curiosity to understand existence remains a powerful force. perhaps, the search for meaning serves as a compass, guiding us through the complexities of identity, even when that identity itself is in flux.

[thorny steeple]

The study of knowledge and what it means to know.

[slender ocean]

One of Beatles famous song "let it be" tells about Mother Mary speaking words of wisdom. At that time no one could yet predict that English hub serious chat is gonna appear in the future

[thorny steeple]

"the pursuit of meaning in philosophy often transcends individual experiences."

This is essentially what I was getting at when I said that someone with a brain injury could still find ways to philosophise despite a loss of a sense of identity.

[dense agate]

philosophy can guide us, but do we shape our sense of self through the search for meaning, or is it a reflection of what we already understand? maybe it's the back-and-forth between seeking answers and evolving self that keeps us exploring the mystery of our existence.

[dense agate]

yes, I am not debunking what you said, your statement is true.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I understand it's just what ChatGPT suggested. It tends to repeat a lot, then go off on a tangent. 😆 Unless I'm mistaken. I'm assuming it's ChatGPT, because a) it looks very familiar and b) you've said you're a beginner in English on your profile, yet you've shown really, really good English here.

[thorny steeple]

ok interesting

This is actually a really frustrating part of the world in which we live, with AI being so prevalent and accessible, you never quite know for sure whether someone is using AI, or whether someone is AI. I'm finding it progressively harder not to make assumptions like I did above.

then osm how did we come to develop philosophy

[thorny steeple]

It's usually said that western philosophy began with Socrates (ancient Greek philosopher, around 300BCE, I think), and that he's the 'grandfather of western philosophy.' However, I'm not sure where it truly started, and I'm not sure anybody knows that for sure.

interesting

[dense agate]

incorrect, although my profile indicates a "beginner" level on English, that role is randomly picked. Due to never assessing my English level through a test I can't really tell what my level is. But when it comes to philosophy and finding the "self" I do have some moderate knowledge from books and articles i've read, from Descartes, Kant, all the way to the Buddhists. So there is no need for me to rely on any AI for information, let it be ChatGPT or other alternatives.

[thorny steeple]

Then again, you asked how we came to develop it, not necessarily how it came to be. So, I think it's correct to say that we developed philosophy through thousands of years of asking and tackling big questions. Plato built upon the work of Socrates, then Aristotle built upon the work of Plato, etc. We have built our philosophical understanding on the understanding of all those who came before.

how americans say "on a game of one person give a chocollate to another person but this person do not now who are you"?

[dense agate]

I understand this, although it can be taken as an insult even when just inquiring about it.

[thorny steeple]

Well, your use of English is excellent. I wouldn't be surprised if advanced or fluent would be appropriate.

[thorny steeple]

Fair enough. Perhaps your role was what threw me off the most. If anything, it's a compliment to your English skills. 😛 But I do apologise if I offended, and I apologise for jumping to conclusions.

[thorny steeple]

Buddhism sounds interesting. I know pretty much nothing about it. What is enlightenment, with regards to Buddhism?

[dense agate]

Hahaha, thank you. although just the thought process of replying back to your message was funny enough, "how do I prove this was written by a human" was all over my head. we truly live in such a unique times.

[thorny steeple]

I can only imagine. Were I not a particularly thoughtful human, I might've said "that's what an AI would say" ad infinitum.

Granted, that is what a sufficiently advanced and manipulative AI would say. 😛 I guess I'm not particularly thoughtful. Uh-oh.

*looks online for the latest version of JenahAI*

(I am joking, don't worry lol)

[dense agate]

well, If I'm not mistaken, since you're native English you might be from the UK so you might know Alan Watts, although he's regarded as a pseudointellectual, his work however is such a good introduction to Buddhism and eastern philosophy. It's pretty interesting especially since it greatly differs from that of the west.

[dense agate]

hahaha, it's just a matter of time before that happens >:)

[dense agate]

wouldn't it be interesting if there was a service in the future, that allows people to make their own AI in the sense they choose what data to feed it in an attempt to shape it to what they want.

[thorny steeple]

I looked him up on YouTube. I'll be checking out some related videos at some point. I've been meaning to explore something other than western philosophy. I feel like there's a huge area of philosophy that I'm missing out on.

And yes, I'm Bri'ish.

[dense agate]

Videos are decent, but the books are where most the information is.

I recommend : Out of Your Mind: Tricksters, Interdependence and the Cosmic Game of Hide-and-Seek.
I can upload the PDF here too.

[dense agate]

You could for example feed it as much data you have about a specific person from your life, so that after they pass away you get to still communicate with "something" that resembles them, the way they talk and so on.

[thorny steeple]

Anyone with the means can create and feed data to an AI. It's so frighteningly accessible. As I understand it, ChatGPT (and perhaps other AIs) has an API which allows the user to change how it operates and interact with it in a number of interesting ways. So, pretty close, I think.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, there's an episode of Black Mirror called Be Right Back which looks into this. It's really disturbing.

[dense agate]

hahahaha that is such a great Tv show that reflects how technology can go badly.

[thorny steeple]

To be honest, I'm not much of a book reader. I usually get my information from other sources. I'll read online, but that's as far as I tend to go. I struggle to focus on simply sitting down and reading a book; it's not stimulating enough for me.

Most of my philosophy is from the many philosophers and philosophical debates on YouTube (listened to them for a few years now), various presentations on YouTube, philosophical groups and chats online (e.g., here), some texts I've downloaded (e.g., Plato's Apology), various websites which go into some things (e.g., fallacies and cognitive biases), and even sometimes ChatGPT.

[dense agate]

hmm, Alan had many short lectures that were recorded and later on uploaded online, they exist on Youtube. So if that's a method you're fine with then it's worth a try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scxrMeYNc0&list=PLRky_hK_NeNKK-YvUkE_Y81W9_AMk4cTu&ab_channel=RavingElectron

[thorny steeple]

Thanks! I've got that loaded up, read and waiting.

[dense agate]

you better have watched the greatest debate to be ever uploaded online, Foucault and Chomksy : Human nature.

https://youtu.be/3wfNl2L0Gf8?si=iTOVsMdWNcksvAxv

[thorny steeple]

are humans born evil? @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

I think this was shown to me yesterday, but I passed, because Chomsky decided to speak in French for ages, and I don't speak French. 😆 I might give it another go, at some point.

Although I've found myself interested in morality and ethics, I think it's fair to say my interest mainly lies in logic, religion, and various metaphysical things like extraterrestrials (all the implications and possibilities thereof) and the simulation hypothesis. But, because of these things, I tend to get into epistemology and language. It really just depends where my mind takes me and what my interest is at the time. Lately, I'm especially focused on logic.

[dense agate]

In this debate Chomsky debates in English, Foucault still talks in French but there are captions.

they did talk about language as well, from the perspective of human nature, but I see you've got different interests. Have you ever got into Hegel ?

[thorny steeple]

Nope, not that I know of. I've focused more on the concepts and conclusions, rather than the people behind them. My favorite philosopher may not even exist. 😆 Socrates, of course. That being said, I've found Aristotle and Nietzsche interesting, but I'm more interested in the conclusions. I realise how selfish that might sound. 😆

A problem I have with remembering the people, is that it's a lot to remember. I think I've forgotten most of what I learned about Aristotle. I often confuse the people, so I'll remember details about Nietzsche but it's actually stuff about Aristotle.

Except Socrates. I find him very interesting. I immediately found him fascinating after I was captivated by Plato's Apology.

[dense agate]

hmm, as odd and different it sounds to me, i don't think it should be problematic, but idk.

[dense agate]

Socrates is quite the individual, although I've only read The Republic, I do know about Plato's Apology, and it's in my list.

[thorny steeple]

Do you drive?

[dense agate]

a car ? no.

[thorny steeple]

Do you use a cooker?

I should've just said phone. Lol

[dense agate]

I am not familiar with it haha.

[thorny steeple]

Basically, you use a phone. You enjoy the phone. You use the phone for all sorts and it's very helpful and can be very productive.

But, you don't know all the ins and outs of the people who led to the creation and development of the phone. You don't need to, because you have the phone. You can appreciate the origins, perhaps remember some names and some interesting details, but for the most part, you have the phone.

[dense agate]

yes, that's a nice example, i've seen it being used when it comes to quantum physics.

[thorny steeple]

Granted, there is a lot to learn from people's lives and how they concluded various things, such as Nietzsche's suffering and Socrates' will to remain true to himself.

So I do pick up the odd thing.

I just don't focus on it, at least not yet.

I find everything else too compelling and distracting. 😆

Most of my time, these days, is spent obsessing over logic.

Specifically, argumentation.

[dense agate]

what are you delving into when it comes to logic ?

[thorny steeple]

Inductive and deductive reasoning and arguments. The formulation of arguments via premises and the conclusion. Cognitive biases, like confirmation bias. Logical fallacies, like ad hominem and argumentum ad populum, argumentation techniques like sleight of hand, the classical laws of logic, principles like the principle of charity, and whatever else I'm surely forgetting.

Oh, and the Socratic Method, which I admittedly have a very limited understanding in, but what I have learned has been very valuable. Essentially, argumentation through dialogue; through questioning and getting to the crux of the issue in what I assume includes a charitable way.

I've been able to help others and myself by looking at how I think and how I conclude things.

[dense agate]

hmmm, I think this goes not only for logic but also critical thinking, but have you also dived into rationality ?

[thorny steeple]

Is critical thinking a category of philosophy? I assumed it was simply part of logic, by way of reasoning.

Not looked into rationality, is that a category of philosophy? I might have inadvertently touched on it, I'm not sure. What does it entail?

Damn, looking it up, it looks like I've been really interested in rationality for ages and not realised.

[dense agate]

no, critical thinking is not a category within philosophy, but even though it is related to logic, they are not the same thing.

I wouldn't call rationality a category but rather it's one of the fundamental concepts in philosophy present through all it's areas.

[dense agate]

yes, you do seem to be leaning towards it with what you've provided previously. Logic itself relies on rationality when it comes to evaluating arguments and so on.

[thorny steeple]

I loaded up the video. It is the one I was referring to. Around 10 minutes, Chomsky starts speaking in French.

[dense agate]

i didn't know he speaks french, can you link it ?

[thorny steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wfNl2L0Gf8

It's the same one you linked earlier.

[dense agate]

i see the confusion, that's Foucault talking in French not Chomsky.

[thorny steeple]

Oooh. Lol No wonder you were confused. I guess I assumed the seemingly foreign guy must have the seemingly foreign name. Turns out they both have a seemingly foreign name, and I didn't notice the other guy's name.

The introduction was in Dutch, which I also can't speak.

If the introduction were German, I could maybe have understood.

[dense agate]

hahaha yes, but Foucault is one of the most important thinkers of the 20th century for his work on power/knowledge, prison mindset, sexuality,..., and he was highly influenced by Nietzsche.

[thorny steeple]

He sounds really interesting.

I'll look into him properly.

[dense agate]

the debate took place on the Netherlands, so it's Dutch, but with all the different languages present on the debate, it's such a good one.

[dense agate]

he kind of reminds me of what you said previously

when it comes to not looking much at the philosopher and instead just focusing on their ideas

[thorny steeple]

Oooh, he was the same way?

[dense agate]

he never answers personal questions, even in the debate it happened and the question was related to the topic he still refused to, his notion is " a philosophy without philosophers"

[thorny steeple]

Wow, I love it

OK, I'm liking him. Lol

[dense agate]

yeah, Foucault.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I thought you meant Chomsky.

[dense agate]

he's quite the character, and his work is really great, sadly we couldn't get more of him since he died of HIV in his 50s

[thorny steeple]

Dang.

[dense agate]

no no, Chomsky is the American one, he is also one of the great thinkers of the 20th century, his work is mainly about language, human nature and brain structure.

[dense agate]

and just for calirty, this is Foucault I'm talking about here.

[thorny steeple]

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

Foucault is the bald guy who died in his 50s of HIV, who, like me, preferred to focus on the conclusions and concepts rather than the personal lives of the philosophers.

Is that right?

[dense agate]

yes, he wanted people to move away from focusing on individual philosophers and their biographies and instead focus on analyzing broader discourses, practices and institutions that contribute to the production of knowledge

[thorny steeple]

Holy crap, Chomsky is still going at 94. Dang.

[thorny steeple]

I'll have a look at his stuff, too. Hopefully I'll find plenty of English content about him.

[dense agate]

hahah yes, thankfully he's still with us.

[dense agate]

you'll find plenty, his work is present and in different languages.

[thorny steeple]

Awesome.

You've been really helpful and given me plenty to consider and look into — I appreciate it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ-Crh3rdQA

[dense agate]

you're much welcome, I'm glad I could assist, and you can come back with questions concerning them whenever you have any.

[thorny steeple]

This is sobering and disturbing.

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

I feel like saying hello is to call myself a being of the highest light, but I would never in a million years call myself that in earnest.

So instead... hallo. 😛

[dense agate]

he was also a big political activist back in the cold war era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTBWfkE7BXU&ab_channel=Chomsky'sPhilosophy

[craggy sphinx]

hru OSM?

[dense agate]

he advocated for what he called "libertarian socialism"

[thorny steeple]

What does 'hru' mean?

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I've heard of that, but no idea what it means.

I'll check out that video as well later. I've got lots of tabs open of stuff to consume. 😆

[craggy sphinx]

oh, it's not what you think.

were you when I explained what this means?

[craggy sphinx]

how are you*

[thorny steeple]

Nope.

[thorny steeple]

Oooh. I'm OK, thanks. 🙂 And you?

Well, that's a lie. I'm still sick with this flu/cold thing, and getting sick of it, but I'm otherwise OK.

[craggy sphinx]

Im great, thanks

[craggy sphinx]

get well!

[thorny steeple]

Thanks. I'm working on it. 😆

[thorny steeple]

The more I listen to this guy, the more I wonder about his life, contrary to what I said earlier. To be alive during WW1 and WW2 is baffling. To see all the insane racism. To see the rise of the technology we have today.

What a view he has.

I can't even properly imagine a world war, let alone living through two of them.

[dense agate]

yes, and keep in mind, he was criticizing the US and it's systems at the heights of the cold war era, he also talked about protesting and civil disobedience, which he also did back in the Vietnam war.

[thorny steeple]

Wow

[dense agate]

by no means was he afraid to speak his mind.

[thorny steeple]

Respectable.

That was an interesting video. He was asked what he'd like to be on his tombstone, to which he answered 'he tried his best'.

That's all we can ever do, really.

[thorny steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMscNuSUy0I

[thorny steeple]

born in 1900 and lived through World War I and the Spanish Flu in 1928 The economy is doing well, I hope nothing negative occurs in the upcoming year. In 1929, for example, the stock market crashed, and in the early 1930s, people were barely able to afford food but were still thankful to be alive. 1939: World War II begins. I hope we stay out of this European conflict. On November 7, 1941, the Japanese strike Pearl Harbor. A few years after the United States enters the war and joins the army in 1945, the war ends.

[thorny steeple]

A hell of a life.

[thorny steeple]

suppose but those people sure endure it

[fossil lynx]

Hey guys can anyone give me ideas for a short film that is about a discord/reddit mod

[fast sleet]

Maybe, about Discord polemics. Like the true about what they do with our information. Or about the dangerous people that have in this two social media. Or about strange and dangerous Discord servers, and about inappropriate things that happens in Discord and Reddit.
These are my ideas

[fossil lynx]

Okay ty

[low wyvern]

hello

[tawny shore]

Hola!

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

Hola!

[stiff raft]

hi

[tawny shore]

Hi!

[tawny shore]

Hi hi! How are you?

[thorny steeple]

Perk hru

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

Hey mn

[tawny shore]

Hmm! Normal.

[thorny steeple]

Good

[craggy sphinx]

yes

what

I have a new account

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[stiff raft]

no i donot

[jolly agate]

i do

around 1100 something

havent played for a while tbh

[jolly agate]

do some jump ropes or any form or cardio

[noble wasp]

Did I hear chess?

I'm around 1200 elo

[molten ether]

im around 600

i haven't played in ages

[noble wasp]

I used to play it a lot, but now I'am too busy to grind

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrlGf8j1GgM

[little cradle]

How many of you here are content creators

[serene birch]

A real Afrikan boy

[stark meteor]

Help

Can you help fill a response form for my assignment

Please let me know

Thanks

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

Ummm, while ill? That's usually not recommended. 😆 Might go for a walk later, though. Maybe some fresh air will help. But stuck in doors for a week because of this thing.

[craggy sphinx]

I like listening to Ado

[jolly agate]

trust this fellow friends advice.

intence cardio will make you helthy

[jolly agate]

ask the #📚｜english-questions

btw

hello beings of the lowest light.

[fast sleet]

You're welcome, when you launch it please. I want to see it

[thorny steeple]

For all you know, I'm 500lbs and have a weak heart. You trying to kill me?! 😛

[jolly agate]

walk is good for you brother.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I know. I love walking, but not when I'm ill. 😆

[jolly agate]

well do some exercise that best fitting for you thats what i would recommand if you are sick.

[gleaming otter]

hello

[sharp vapor]

Hello

[tacit sun]

Ever tried stair climbing?

[thorny steeple]

I'm not actually 500lbs. 😆

[fast sleet]

Only 499lbs

[jolly agate]

jump rops then

[thorny steeple]

I workout already, I'm just ill.

[jolly agate]

you got cold

or feaver

[thorny steeple]

It's a cold or flu. Not 100% sure which. Been going for about a week, so far.

[jolly agate]

i know a way that can help with that

[thorny steeple]

OK.

Well done for turning your life around.

I did the same thing years ago, and I'm in the process of doing it again.

[tacit sun]

Best of luck mate 🤞

[thorny steeple]

It seems to get harder to do it the older you get, I've noticed.

[jolly agate]

before you go to bed boil some hot water and add this medicin in the hot water. then get a blanket and cover your head and the hot water. Then try to breath in and breath out but close your eye. its gonn be really sweaty but bear with it. once that done dont remove the blanket from your head and go to sleep. do no expose your self in cold once you do it

[thorny steeple]

I used to go out jogging and walking for hours, but then I got Achilles Tendinitis, which stuck around for a couple of years. Could get quite painful and make walking hard. It still hasn't healed, years later, but it's not as bad as it was, as long as I don't aggravate it too much.

[jolly agate]

whats that

achilles tendinities

[thorny steeple]

I do sometimes do that, but mainly just put it on my chest.

[thorny steeple]

You'll have to look online for that.

[jolly agate]

i just did

[jolly agate]

cover your whole head and do some breath in and out

thar will be more effective

[thorny steeple]

You're not supposed to put it too close to your eyes, apparently.

[jolly agate]

thats why you close it

[thorny steeple]

I get a lot from it just putting it on my chest, as it's quite strong.

[jolly agate]

dont add too much

anyway have some rest.

[deep flame]

Hello boyys

[meager summit]

Yo

[deep flame]

Yo what's up

[nimble ivy]

Hello

[runic gale]

What’s up

[thorny steeple]

I bet no one's gonna read them.

[jolly agate]

bet im

[thorny steeple]

Decided to just do away with all that. Probably not the place for it, I guess. Vomiting words all over the screen did help me process, though. 😆

[thorny steeple]

It's Discord bro, no one's gonna read that.

But yeah, you're right. Not the right place to write essays, try blogging instead or something, where ppl are willing to read em.

@thorny steeple

[tardy talon]

how can I guess the number in https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1180162015801655417 this channel

[static pivot]

I read

I read everything

[thorny steeple]

'cause ur a discord mod 😝

[static pivot]

Wrong

I'm admin

[thorny steeple]

Wrong

You're the Owner

[static pivot]

[thorny steeple]

Gosh, how many times do you change roles in a day?

[tawny shore]

Cool!

[static pivot]

Never

[plush beacon]

a brother from Ukraine do me a favor

please

😭

[chilly anchor]

Hey guys

how's it going eh?

What do you think about death?

[jolly agate]

the angle of death sits on every word

[thorny steeple]

Salam

‎

[fallen crypt]

@static pivot || can I ping u for no reason? Will u mute me ||

[tacit sun]

When it comes to death, my dear, you will have to experience it yourself. I don't know about it; I think you should give it a try.😊

[orchid totem]

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[orchid totem]

Why can Israel develop from an extremist organization to a party, while Hamas cannot

[hexed herald]

I want a youtube channel that explains all the concepts of sentences.
Please recommend me some.

Specifically I am looking for lessons on

1. Identifying Subject Verb Compliment Object Adverb Indirect object.

2. Subject Verb Agreement

3. Identifying Type of sentence/dependent clause (and of which type)/ simple, compound, complex, complex compound

[fossil basin]

I love you PPL 💞

[jolly agate]

why not try asking people in #🗃｜resources

[thorny steeple]

🧢

[subtle swallow]

Good morning

How it's going

[orchid totem]

gn

bro

[orchid totem]

Let's have a debate

[drifting dew]

talking or texting?

[orchid totem]

text

Who can start by introducing a topic or something

[dry topaz]

hi

[jolly agate]

free will dosent exist

[orchid totem]

hi

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

Do you think that Total War with drugs policies of United States was succesful? İs Forbidding drugs without exception a good method to fight against addiction?

And if your answers are "No",is there any alternative strategy about solving drug problem according to you?

[hexed herald]

It just feels like a dead channel over there

[orchid totem]

I think this is right

[thorny steeple]

why

[orchid totem]

It's hard to answer

[thorny steeple]

Try

[orchid totem]

Drug restrictions are definitely more prevalent than before

So prohibition is the wisest choice

This is like the ionization equilibrium in chemistry

[thorny steeple]

İ am not sure about that

Because if you decrease substance without decreasing petition, this circumstance will increase prices

And because of this more expert crimers will emter this because prices who increase will make this job more profitable

And prices that increase can not reduce petition because drug is a addiction

[orchid totem]

Once released, even those who haven't tried before will try

[thorny steeple]

Addict humans can give everything to buy drug

Because of this we must follow Swizterland's policies,harm reduction

[orchid totem]

What's the point of having more drug users

[thorny steeple]

İ am not defending that drugs must be free,ı am defendinf harm reduction

[thorny steeple]

Humans who use drugs are poor humans in majority

Features of drug usage are discrimination and poverty

We must destory reasons

[orchid totem]

no

you are wrong

It was their drug use that made them poor

Poor people rarely come into contact with it

[thorny steeple]

No,nobody use drug without reason

Poor neighborhoods are not being poor after drugs had come

[orchid totem]

They think it's cool or fashionable

[thorny steeple]

Neighborhoods are being poor and after this situation drug addiction is coming

İ know this because there are a lpt of neighborhoods like this and I can see in first hand

Poor humans are hate their lives and they wan to escape from reality

[orchid totem]

Not in China

So I don't understand

[orchid totem]

We don't have such a large scale

gn

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

Hoi

howwdy

how you been lad

@thorny steeple did you there was a ship that survive two nuclear bombs

[thorny steeple]

Wow, no, I've not heard about that. Where did that happen?

the uss nevada

you know bikini atoll

Nope, not heard of that.

the place where the kids cartoon is base off

that where the US did nuclear testing

[serene birch]

The Israelis are using a much different weapon after the ceasefire. I see all the corpses exploding. Especially their heads explode.

[thorny steeple]

I'm almost 40, so it was a long time ago since I watched kid's cartoons. I'll look it up.

[serene birch]

This israel is so wild

[spare river]

Hello, anyone

[thorny steeple]

hello mate

[spare river]

I agree with you

[spare river]

Yup

[spare river]

Where are you from

[serene birch]

I am now an anti-Semite.

I have limit too

[thorny steeple]

Why on Earth would you be an anti-Semite?

[thorny steeple]

north america and you

[serene birch]

I'm sorry, my Jewish friends, we defended you for years about the Nazi genocide, etc., but this is too much.

[thorny steeple]

yea same why lad

[spare river]

Japan, Tokyo

[thorny steeple]

have you been to osaka?

[spare river]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

So, you're choosing your view of an entire group of people because of a select few bad actors? That's like me hating all Germans because Nazis. That's absurd.

[serene birch]

They look like enemies of the Palestinian people, I am their enemy. is this a problem? I guess it is democracy.

[spare river]

Been there several times.

[thorny steeple]

how is it

[serene birch]

About 20% of the Israeli population is against the war. The rest demands blood.

[thorny steeple]

Exactly, 20% of just Israel. That alone doesn't justify your hate for all Jews. Good Lord, man. Think it through.

[thorny steeple]

true

[spare river]

Quite prosperous and beautiful.

[serene birch]

Does being anti Semite necessarily mean destroying or killing them? I don't like them and I don't support them, I'm such an anti-Semite.

[abstract cloak]

Hey guys

Why are this world so cruel

[thorny steeple]

have you seen the chery trees?

[thorny steeple]

A common definition is that one hates and has prejudice against the Jews.

[thorny steeple]

hi mate

[serene birch]

Yes, that's exactly who I am, but I have no intention of harming them. I just exclude it now.

[thorny steeple]

well im more neutral on this conflict by no supporting each side

[spare river]

Because of cruelty.

[serene birch]

but for now...

As long as they go further, we will have to bring democracy there.

[spare river]

I'm sorry. I don't see it

[thorny steeple]

do you own a bonsai trre?

[spare river]

I have daffodils and cacti at home.

[thorny steeple]

Are you Muslim?

[thorny steeple]

how do you define cruelness?

[spare river]

We have many cherry blossoms here.

[thorny steeple]

interesting are you a botanist?

[thorny steeple]

yes that nice looking trees

remember that we have apathy

[spare river]

No

I am a student in college

[thorny steeple]

ok hows the grade system in jp

how does it work?

[serene birch]

I do not limit by putting myself into a any category. I believe in all the prophets from Adam to Muhammad. This includes the prophets Jesus and Moses. So I believe in the common and one god and god's commandments.

But you are faced with a sect that sees all humanity as their slaves and thinks that 1.5 billion people will be enough for them.

[thorny steeple]

interesting beliefs you have there!

[serene birch]

nope this is zionism

[thorny steeple]

I think you knew where I was going with this. So, I'll help you along. Let's say you are a Muslim. Should I now hate, shun, or otherwise no longer support you and all who believe as you, because some Muslims have done bad things? Obviously, the answer is no, because that would be ridiculous.

However, you've taken this approach against Jews.

[thorny steeple]

how did you get these beliefs

i believe that the jews and the Palestinians could live together!

[serene birch]

Okay, who will stop Israel? and a country formed by Jews. If they want to shed more blood and lands instead of stopping it. Do we want a big war for other countries to stop them? The only people who can stop them are the Jews. If they don't stop it, anti-Semitism will increase, it's that simple. Our best threat and weapon right now is anti-Semitism. When we don't use them, they will increase their brutality even more.

[serene birch]

Yes they can

but israel have to stop terorism on palastinians

[spare river]

Before World War II, Jews were robbers.

[thorny steeple]

if there wasn't Hamas that is and if the place where is isreal was joint government

[serene birch]

Killing stone-throwing children is not self-defense.

[thorny steeple]

they weren't, old stereotypes from the Europeans when they were more racist

[serene birch]

That's what I'm saying, we used to defend them, but now I see that I'm ashamed of doing this.

If it weren't for Hamas, there would be no Palestine, there would be Israel.

[thorny steeple]

its the people in power no the people people of israel

[thorny steeple]

This isn't a discussion of who will stop Israel, it's about your faulty reasoning for hating or not supporting an entire people based on the actions of some.

"If they don't stop it, anti-Semitism will increase"

If people continue to develop such unchecked illogical views, yes. But this isn't the discussion.

"Our best threat and weapon right now is anti-Semitism."

Why? If I shoot my enemy, does it matter whether I hate him, or does it matter that my enemy is no longer a threat? It seems like you're just using this as an excuse to be prejudiced.

there is a difference in the two

[spare river]

Hitler would have exterminated them, and they would not have gone to Balestar.

[thorny steeple]

So, back to the issue:

You are in a room with 100 people. You are American. 50 people are German. 50 people are American. 1 German kills an American. Should you now hate or no longer support all 50 Germans because of the action of 1 German?

@serene birch

[thorny steeple]

you are thinking Realpolitik

[serene birch]

It wasn't just a few Israelis who did this, all Jews did it.

[thorny steeple]

a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations.

[serene birch]

They have committed so much terrorism that they can now easily shoot children on the street.

[thorny steeple]

Realpolitik is the approach of conducting diplomatic or political policies based primarily on considerations of given circumstances and factors, rather than strictly following ideological, moral, or ethical premises. In this respect, it shares aspects of its philosophical approach with those of realism and pragmatism.

[thorny steeple]

well they do carry guns on their backs but for dense purposes

[spare river]

The Jews had been eating well ever since the events in Gerasavo, and Hitler should have exterminated them all. They were defeated, and they wandered to Palestine.

[thorny steeple]

it was the british who caused this mess in the border sense and jews living there

[spare river]

Moreover, the Jews also went to Palestine to rob other people's land. What is this if not a robber?

[thorny steeple]

well sure thats the land of the palestine people but the jews been there longer for a time before the romans scatter them

[serene birch]

I don't like Jews anymore. Everything was a lie and they were deceiving us.

[thorny steeple]

And here we have it.

[spare river]

Yup

[serene birch]

I have right to dont like someone if they dont like palastinians I have right to dont like jews.

DEMOCRACY

[thorny steeple]

I give up. 😆

[thorny steeple]

he has lost it

I tried.

same

like damn we humans sure have a knack for beliefs

[serene birch]

You dont have too. Because I have the thought, capacity and knowledge to understand the situation.

[thorny steeple]

well the situation is more complex

[serene birch]

Not at all

[thorny steeple]

well how has been your day!

[serene birch]

More than 60% of Jews want to shed blood, kill and invade. We could consider it if it was below 50%, but it is dangerous if it is more than 60%.

Isn't this how democracy works?

[thorny steeple]

no mate that's authoritarian government

Democracy is a system of government in which state power is vested in the people or the general population of a state. According to the United Nations, democracy "provides an environment that respects human rights and fundamental freedoms, and in which the freely expressed will of people is exercised."

[serene birch]

So there is no democracy there and there is tyranny. Why USA supports so?

isn't it USA father of democracy?

[thorny steeple]

Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by a controlling government and the rejection of democracy, human rights, and political plurality. It involves the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting.

[serene birch]

It is basic math

[thorny steeple]

Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, price systems, private property, property rights recognition, voluntary exchange, and wage labor.

[serene birch]

If they're still fighting blood, This means that a large proportion of the public supports it. If the people do not want it but the government does it by force, this means tyranny and happens in places where there is no democracy. If there is tyranny, why doesn't America bring democracy there instead of send weapons? I think the American government is also trapped under Jewish tyranny.

It's very sad. For years, they made us fight the Nazis in games and movies, they made us hate, now they are acting like Nazis.

Everything we were made to believe was based on a lie.

Normally, when someone commits murder, we take them and put them in prison for years, and in some places they are even executed. But in Israel and Palastine, if you are an Israeli and you kill a Palestinian, you do not receive any punishment and you can roam the streets as freely. But if you throw stones at them to protect your home, mother your family, you will either be imprisoned for years or killed. There is tons of evidence and videos on the internet.

Not a few groups of people, but the whole country is almost like this.

[late storm]

no quotations from a book, what a tedious and verbose burden form, we need a Tera Incognita

[thorny steeple]

true mate

[late storm]

always only with strong spirits

[thorny steeple]

i suppose these people have strong sense

[late storm]

Gaza, they are from

[thorny steeple]

well there is alwats strong resilient people

[serene birch]

Mars will be a good choice for you.

Terra!

[late storm]

you are right about the LAND

[serene birch]

I am right about everything. You are right when I am not. If I'm not right, why would you be right?

I wish everyone a good weekend. Hope you'all have a nice Saturday && Sunday. I hope all the stupid and nonsense wars in the world will end and murderers will disappear "poof" like a magic. I don't want to see dead bodies of children or babies, neither Jewish nor Muslims or christian or any. Because children have no religion, language, race, etc. And in this case, it's not a football match, not like take the flag of whichever side you support etc. To hell with all countries and ideologies. Long live the brother/sisterhood of peoples. This world is enough for all of us, stay in peace and safe. I'm out.

[late storm]

your assumptions are weak
Sultan of Swing, rock on

[thorny steeple]

gi guys

[late storm]

a long valediction, but enjoyed by everyone

[thorny steeple]

what is problem?

[acoustic halo]

Hey guys

[serene birch]

Problem is Israel

[thorny steeple]

Yes but ı suppose that everybody knows this

[serene birch]

No, on the contrary, there are many parasites who make fun of this issue.

[craggy sphinx]

kmkm

Hello beings of the highest light

[serene birch]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

We can not say anything

But our Side is certain

[serene birch]

Innocents?

[craggy sphinx]

could you briefly say what you are talking about now?

[serene birch]

Because of the genocides of the state of Israel, we decided to be anti-semitic.

Actions == reactions

They started to hit the south side, which they promised they would not hit. These people have absolutely nowhere left to go and they are being massacred.

They threaten everyone. Elon Musk, Turkey, Ireland and Spain. They messed up Ireland a few days ago. They are wagging anti-Islamic propaganda and media war around the world.

[craggy sphinx]

for navigation:

Reception: signalling a reaction to stimuli
Sensation: simulation of receptions
Memorisation: encoding of sensation into a memory
Remembrance: decoding of a memory into sensation
Perception: association of sensations
Association: identifying and thereby relating memories
Conceptualisation: consolidation of associations

Experiences: impressions of perceptions
Sentient: able to experience
Imagination: fabrication of perceptions
Ideas: concepts based on imaginations
Understanding: ideas about the implication of a function
Awareness: understanding of experiences
Thoughts: self-communication of ideas
Consciousness: awareness of thoughts

[thorny steeple]

🤓

[echo sorrel]

Whoa.

[thorny steeple]

Is it normal that I'm almost numb to the fact I'm losing money every week which should motivate me to work toward my goal ? I'm using the site StickK, I thought that could motivate me do the work I need to, but nothing.

[craggy sphinx]

hello
what do you think about this?

what reasons?

[thorny steeple]

I wanted to motivate myself to achieve my goal, and I thought losing money every week for two months could have help, but nothing I'm still lazy AF, I'm wondering if there is something wrong with me, I mean losing money in a capitalist society is the worst case from my point of view.

[hot galleon]

OMG I totally agree with you

And I want to achieve my goal

Yeah capitalist society is the society of overconsumption

I read your bio and you are French too

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[hot galleon]

Where city in France are you from ?

[thorny steeple]

From Paris like every French person xD, I'm from Mulhouse.

[hot galleon]

Oh I don't know Mulhouse and I'm live in France lmao

[hot galleon]

I hate Paris

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from ? (in France)

[hot galleon]

Amiens, do you know it ?

Btw Check your PMs

[thorny steeple]

Am I the only one that lost his ability to form bonds with people ? Certainly not, but I ask anyways

[thorny steeple]

It's very unlikely that you're the only one.

[severe briar]

Social communication is a crucial skill and a must , you will miss a plenty of opportunities .

[severe briar]

You are stating facts .

[jolly agate]

why you wanna site to motivate yourself

[jolly agate]

get a job

[jolly agate]

try doing small things that will help you accolplish your goals

small changes will lead to big changes

just like you cant grow a tree in one day, you need to constatly "water it" and in long turn it will grow bigger snd bigger

[thorny steeple]

thoughts on future designs for the propulsive element of future boosters of the falcon 9 block 5 varients

[knotty meteor]

how do i tell when there are silent leters like the h in when??

[glad patio]

Good question

[late storm]

no way to predict, due to from variegated provenances, so, just follow the standard pronunciation

[knotty meteor]

what is a varieagated provenance?

[late storm]

from different sources, tons of loaded words in English. ancient English, latin by Roman, vernacular German, etc.

[late storm]

a hybrid language

[serene summit]

why ru talking about math

[late storm]

even Americans can't tell why Arkansas and Kansas pronounced differently

[serene summit]

I think it's because each state talks differently

[serene summit]

also its Kansas are pronounced*

[late storm]

an American high school English teacher taught me that, he said he can't figure out why the disparity

[serene summit]

that was just a guess

also it kinda makes sense

[late storm]

if your argument true, then at least the Arkansas vernacular pronunciation about this word hold a huge sway on other states😆,and Kansas vernacular vise versa

[serene summit]

also I live in the united states too (as an immigrant in high school)

[serene summit]

also isn't vernacular a dead word used in the 1600s

nvm wrong definition

[late storm]

i am not there.almost suffer torments from a 3 years hellish Law School program there many years ago, but unfortunately dodged

[serene summit]

yeah law here sucks from what I heard

I don't even understand the point of doing law

[late storm]

if sucks means money-consuming and gruelling, i will agree

don't say law sucks, i may continue the program some day, heartbreaking

Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to abandon a long pursued dream

[jolly agate]

to keep the people in control

[serene summit]

I mean ig

[jolly agate]

imagin a socicty without law

pure chaos

[serene summit]

I mean leo are needed

[jolly agate]

they are neccesery

[late storm]

to achieve individual freedom to it's farthest extent

[serene summit]

what?

[late storm]

the sense of law

when we drive, and before making a right turn (or left turn in UK,Japan) at a crossroads without traffic lights, a big STOP sign jumps out, that's the tangible or materialized law, to elicit our respect on other's safety(basic right of freedom)

[oblique iron]

Hello, everyone

[late storm]

hello. Spaniard in the New Wold？

[oblique iron]

Lol, I'm actually from Malaysia. 🙂

[late storm]

thanks, knowledge improvement of mine, llama in Malay

[oblique iron]

Nah, I'm just a Llama from Malaysia. I know it's an animal from South America

[late storm]

why a Malaysian needs to practice English here

[oblique iron]

It's just a random name that I picked

Because...why not?

Where are you from Noone?

[late storm]

conversation has been killed

[oblique iron]

[late storm]

i envy Malaysians, most of them are polygots, dragomen

[oblique iron]

Alright, and you are not? I'm just bilingual, really.

[late storm]

i didn't live in an propitious environment like Malaysian had, me, just like Americans, they don't even possess a miniscule motive to learn a foreign language

[oblique iron]

Okay, and where are you from?

Your English is excellent.

And my English is just enough to survive. I seldom speak English with my family members.

[late storm]

Malay,or Singapore, a racial meltpot, just as medieval Istanbul, forced residents to learn several tongues

[late storm]

from Zone 51. kidding, keep my location secretive. We live in a hugh panopticon, for safe

[oblique iron]

Right.

[late storm]

i haven't watched any TV program from Malay.is there any internet censorship in your country?

[oblique iron]

There are a few series from Malaysia on Netflix.

Not sure about the internet censorship part.

[late storm]

my English far from exellence, British historians taught me so much by their books

[oblique iron]

Good for you.

[late storm]

if Netflix available,that means ideology competition is allowed in Malay, good to hear that

[oblique iron]

Times are a-changing.

Alright, tschussi.

[late storm]

bye

Uncle Roger! see you

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[craggy sphinx]

This made the situation worse. Try a reward system.

Reward yourself every time you do something useful. For example, you may want to do the cleaning, but you are too lazy, then try to change the vector, promising yourself that if you do this, then you will eat something tasty etc.

if I am lazy to do something, then I severely punish myself. I can go a whole day or two days without eating until I realize I've made a mistake. Thus, I set myself up to work afraid,that next time I will be left without food again

not eating is also good for the body, so it will be easy for you to tune in

[jolly agate]

hellow my dear friend

[craggy sphinx]

hru?

[late storm]

anyone wants to talk about the history of Christianity internecine discords , i got many questions not yet answered

[craggy sphinx]

hello, could you share these questions?

[thorny steeple]

I don't know, thanks for the answer.

[thorny steeple]

I know, but what can I do ?

[late storm]

i want to be shared

[gray wind]

Guys i wanna to ask. Maybe some people think its a deep talk but for me its maybe a deep. I just wanna to Know. How to come near to women?. Because the few times I tried, I think I've tried my best, even I've asked she to date. response got worse, I just thought, is there something wrong with me, is my way of communicating, or because I am too nervous? I didn't know, I was just thinking maybe no one women in my country love me? Or you guys have other tips maybe it's okay to give advice to me

[late storm]

deep pockets bring you the vigor women cherished

money for nothing, but women are NOT nothing

[craggy sphinx]

rent a Lamborghini for a day*

[late storm]

take it as an investment

[deep loom]

I would like to know about them. (Just enthusiastic enough to know, altho I'm not knowledgeable enough to clarify or give back an answer to them.)

[deep loom]

I don't think I'm eligible to answer this, but here I go anyway.

There's nothing wrong with you, but you just need little changes in the way you approach I guess.

Firstly understand what kind of women you're interested in and find out if you like someone, instead of just reaching randomly.

It's understandable that you're nervous, but if you like someone, try to reach out (i doesn't matter if it's gonna work out or not, but atleast you have to give it a try.) And women most times expect you to reach out first, so you gotta do that.

And try to built up confidence and self-esteem, I mean it attracts others to you easily.

But if you don't wanna change, you can be just the way you are, the right person will come eventually and will accept you just the way you are, but even for that person to come in to your life, I guess you need to initiate first, I'm not sure, I just think so tho.

Anyways good luck, just work on your communication skills and I hope it'll work out for you soon.

[gray wind]

Nice. It's same like money cannot buy everything but everything need money

[gray wind]

Its not a problem solve. Women are harder to understand than the calculus I understand

[gray wind]

Thanks for the suggestion. But I'm very unsure of my communication skills towards such a good woman. What continues to haunt me is whether my communication skills with women have improved or worsened. I am very pessimistic about this.

[deep loom]

You're welcome.

Oh! I don't know about that, maybe just get to know that yourself by talking to the girls you know.

I think you're good at communicating tho.

[craggy sphinx]

I don't think they are difficult to understand.

I can win the heart of any woman if I really need it

[late storm]

if you understand calculus, then that is the origin of your quagmire

[late storm]

unless you want to reach a female Newton or Leibniz

seriously, i not a human behaviors analyst, but i know from where a relation starts, be a middle class plus

[jolly agate]

focous on yourself g. thats what i would say.

[gray wind]

I realized my communication was very bad when dealing directly with women. I don't know why I'm nervous and can't think clearly when talking to women

[late storm]

money gives man strong confidence, try to get some

[gray wind]

I try but this problem make me difficult to Think clearly

[late storm]

when you earn some cash, girl not a problem anymore

[gray wind]

Yes money can buy authority but money cannot buy love.

[gray wind]

But its like you know a fake friend? It's pretty much same

[late storm]

no taxation no representation, no money no girl, not to mention love

[gray wind]

I think this matter is too difficult for me to think about

[deep loom]

Oh alright, is that a problem in real life or you face the same thing on online too?

[late storm]

an universal truth from all scources

[craggy sphinx]

because you have never experienced yourself in such conditions before

the only solution to this is practice.

if you do this often, you will worry less about how to behave around women

[deep loom]

I agree, practice is the key.
The more you talk, the easier it gets.

[craggy sphinx]

So, I know how to seduce almost any woman because I know more about them than anyone else

[gray wind]

I don't know Maybe my face is also influential. In addition to my way of speaking

[gray wind]

Maybe it's the key but i very very Nervous to talk with a woman

[craggy sphinx]

act

@gray wind ,may I know what you need this for? do you want real love, or is it a physiological need?

[deep loom]

Aw! That's true to some extent tho. But it's not everything.

You got this.

[craggy sphinx]

because earlier I considered the second option, sorry

[deep loom]

It's okay.
I was too at first

Start little by little.

No worries, it takes time.
Just casually try to talk without worrying about the consequences.

[craggy sphinx]

@static pivot he has a lot of experience and can give advice

@gray wind , by the way, you can also ask the girls on this server what they like, what approach they approve of, etc.

good luck!

[echo flower]

Does "Probably can" = "Probably a possibility"

or is "Probably can" = "Probably a likely possibility" more accurate

[craggy sphinx]

Hello

"probability" must be distinguished from "possibility". these are different things

?define probability

[cursive bobcat]

Word: probability

Definition 1 (noun): a measure of how likely it is that some event will occur; a number expressing the ratio of favorable cases to the whole number of cases possible
Definition 2 (noun): the quality of being probable; a probable event or the most probable event

Definition requested by eisanse

[craggy sphinx]

?define possibility

[cursive bobcat]

Word: possibility

Definition 1 (noun): a tentative insight into the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena
Definition 2 (noun): capability of existing or happening or being true
Definition 3 (noun): a possible alternative

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by eisanse

[echo flower]

What if the "can" is used in the context where the "can" itself isn't necessarily a certainty. For example, does "You probably can win a high school race" = "You can win a high school race"

Or in other words, does "You can win a high school race" mean the speaker is assuming there is a 100% probability? I was under the assumption that in this case, "can" just infers a possibility that isn't quantified.

[craggy sphinx]

the first example is expressed in a relative nature. That is, this explains the extent to which you will win. (quantitatively)

the second example shows its essential direction. that is, what really exists

[echo flower]

Ah I see

[craggy sphinx]

"quantitative" - the first
"essential" - the second

[echo flower]

I'm still a little confused with the second example

[craggy sphinx]

no, this does not mean that you will win 100%.

[echo flower]

because what would the probabiltiy of winning be in the second example then?

Does it just mean "Likely win"

or is it just an unknown % that's up to interpretation based on context.

[craggy sphinx]

probability indicates a greater degree of gain than possibility

[echo flower]

right

but what about can itself.

without any probability mentioned.

is it just a possibility

that could be probable or could be improbable

I'm honestly more confused with "can" in this case

[craggy sphinx]

"can" depends on you

[echo flower]

I see

Would you say the best fit for "can" universally would simply be "not impossible"

[gray wind]

Maybe i wanna to get a real love just it

[echo flower]

Also I didn't see #📚｜english-questions , I would have asked this there had I seen it earleir

[craggy sphinx]

@echo flower
"can" depends on you,does not depend on the circumstances. E.g. You may or may not drink water.

“probability” in this case would mean that there may or may not be water there 50/50

"possibility" means that it is significant. That is, an expression of the state of what you are doing

[gray wind]

Thanks guys. Thank you for helping ease the burden on my mind, thank you also for the suggestions. You are all the Thank you for helping ease the burden on my mind, thank you also for the suggestions. You are all the best.

[echo flower]

"can" makes sense in this case. But what if it also depends on other factors.

Or does "can" must only depend on you?

"I can win the next game of football" depend only on if I choose to do so? What about how good the other players are?

[craggy sphinx]

"can" I looked at it in an isolated system. I did not take into account factors that may affect your action.

in practice these concepts are correlated

[echo flower]

I see

makes sense

[craggy sphinx]

it depends, but I showed with an example the difference between these concepts

[echo flower]

Yeah it somewhat helps me understand.

[craggy sphinx]

Thanks for the idea, I'm thinking of adding some concepts to my list

this

Reception: signalling a reaction to stimuli
Sensation: simulation of receptions
Memorisation: encoding of sensation into a memory
Remembrance: decoding of a memory into sensation
Perception: association of sensations
Association: identifying and thereby relating memories
Conceptualisation: consolidation of associations

Experiences: impressions of perceptions
Sentient: able to experience
Imagination: fabrication of perceptions
Ideas: concepts based on imaginations
Understanding: ideas about the implication of a function
Awareness: understanding of experiences
Thoughts: self-communication of ideas
Consciousness: awareness of thoughts

[echo flower]

Ah I see

I'm glad I helped

[formal scaffold]

You can add (less/more) before using the word "likely" to replace the word "probably" to have more precision

[echo flower]

Ah true

[smoky skiff]

Think of 'can' (to be able to) as just giving you (or informing you of ) an option in your life. Winning is an option for you. It does not attach any probability or possibility. You are able to win the race. However with that option, there are many conditions that may affect your ability to win. This is the context of the conversation. For example i can say to you.. 'You can win the basketball game, but i find it unlikely as you have short legs'. Or ' you can win the race, but you will need to practice every day'. Parents just generally say to their kids.. 'You can win the race', but they know in their minds that there is a high likelihood that the are probably faster kids in the race' is just encouragement. You have to be in it to win it.

[echo flower]

Yeah that makes way more sense to me when you put it that way

I see wym now

[craggy sphinx]

for the option it's easy

yes, he may decide that he really wants to win, but this also depends on external factors

[warped scroll]

That conversation reminded me this movie scene https://youtu.be/1kBAxsFui1w

[young schooner]

thoughts on the ecpe exams from michigan language assessments? i got a c2 level certificate but i dont see a lot of people talking about it outside of greece

[lavish finch]

tell me more

[young schooner]

about what?

[lavish finch]

about the ecpe exams

@young schooner

[compact portal]

Anyone preparing for IELTS?

[thorny steeple]

very powerful movie.

[fading merlin]

mornin

i have a doubt

in here we have some 'knowledge division', but

How can we define what level we are at?

from A1 to C2

I really don't if this is the correct chat to ask these type of questions

[civic reef]

it is difficult to really tell this, official exams like IELTS usually determine that

but you can think about some very visible things, like maybe someone reads books in english, and those books are written in native-targeted language, so then i would assume that person is likely to be anywhere from B2 to C2

what makes all of that complicated is probably that it doesnt have to be balanced, so someone might be a great reader with a very wide vocabulary, but they have anxiety while speaking, then thats difficult to judge

[fading merlin]

i understand

I believe this is my situation. Lol

anyway, tks for the information

[thorny steeple]

is human life more important than right of private property?

[warped scroll]

Absouletely 🥲

[deep loom]

I think human life is more important.

[thorny steeple]

ı suppose ı agree

humanity and planet is more valueble than profits

[deep loom]

Yes

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[warped scroll]

Yeah human life is more important but here's is the thing What if we had to fight our land to be free, not get killed or raped? We had to fight in this kind of situation

I mean not always the most important thing is human life

For Palestinans which one is important If they could protect their country They wouldn't get killed 🕊️

[craggy sphinx]

if someone comes to your home to kill you, then you will do everything possible so as not to be killed

you care about your life

[warped scroll]

You would kill them for ur life and loved ones that home as well

[craggy sphinx]

if me and my family are threatened in extreme form, then I will kill this bastard

[deep loom]

True

[craggy sphinx]

I don't care about the law in this case

or laws

[warped scroll]

So, I try to mean I have to protect everything what I have for living My life, my family's life and the home

[warped scroll]

Exactly

It's up to the situation @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

ı was not mentioning about self defence

ı was mentioning about money versus human life

[warped scroll]

Similar situation in my opinion

[warped scroll]

If u tried to kill me I would do my best and try to get rid of you

[thorny steeple]

yes you can and you should however it was not my question's topic lol

[craggy sphinx]

I don’t think you would give your life or your loved ones’ lives for money, right?

[thorny steeple]

right

[warped scroll]

self-defence? Anyways my bad

[thorny steeple]

not problem

[strong hound]

Money+ no more school? Count me in bruh

[craggy sphinx]

Is school a waste of time?

[strong hound]

It’s boring

[craggy sphinx]

maybe, but it can't be skipped if you don't understand

[strong hound]

I mean technically

I could walk out and skip school

[craggy sphinx]

school teaches you how to learn. it does not provide useful knowledge

[strong hound]

It’s just a place for knowledge

[craggy sphinx]

so you should go there until you understand how to do it