🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

I see, what about you? are you an atheist or a theist?

[noble briar]

Theist

[lavish finch]

I’m an atheist

I believe that god does not exist.

“Pew Research Center telephone surveys conducted in 2018 and 2019 show that 4% of American adults say they are atheists when asked about their religious identity, up from 2% in 2009.”

[thorny steeple]

are you a positive atheist Mr. James?

do you assert that God does not exist, or you just don't know whether he exists or not?

(i.e., not convinced yet that he exists)

[thorny steeple]

why are you citing that?

[lavish finch]

I assert that god does not exist. Someone who is not convinced either way is an agnostic.

[thorny steeple]

interesting, how do you know for sure that he doesn't exist?

[lavish finch]

You have set the bar too high. You'd like to know for sure.

[thorny steeple]

Lol, I don't think I've set the bar too high, I've been an atheist myself, but I'm curious about how can you assert that God doesn't exist.

[lavish finch]

I also can't help but notice that you did not ask the same question to our theist friend, Bravo. But instead annointed their declaration of belief with a gold star.

[thorny steeple]

that's because I am a theist, and I already know the reason for why one would believe God exists.

I mean, when I was an atheist, I couldn't assert God doesn't exist, at least after I realized it's not possible to assert such thing.

[lavish finch]

You are now lowering the bar for yourself. For your own belief you are only declaring a reason why one might believe, not to know for sure.

[lavish finch]

Now this is something altogether different. Not possible even to assert such a thing? But I did exactly that. I have asserted it.

[thorny steeple]

I see, but here is the thing, I'm not interested in the reason why would someone either be an agnostic atheist, or a theist, I'm more interested in how would someone be a positive atheist, I don't think someone could have the basis to positively claim the non-existence of God.

[lavish finch]

You have once again changed the goal posts back to irrefutable proof.

You can't have it both ways. Either it is irrefutable proof required for both possibilities, or something less difficult for both possibilities.

[thorny steeple]

I don't get the point, what do you mean?

[lavish finch]

You are starting your investigation with different standards for knowledge for each belief system, creating a bias for one belief over another.

I don't know what your reason is for believing god exists. But you have not declared the reason to make you sure of the fact. Do you?

Do you have a reason to make you sure of god's existence?

[thorny steeple]

surely I do, but the problem I'm trying to explain here is that, it's so difficult to prove the negative, and for the topic of God's existence, I see no possible way to verify the non-existence of God.

in other words, I don't think you can really be a positive atheist.

[lavish finch]

That's much easier to disprove.

Depending upon your definition, as always.

I'm telling you that I'm a positive atheist. What else do you require?

[thorny steeple]

so are you saying that if you disprove the evidence for God's existence, then you prove that God does not exist?

[lavish finch]

No

I wouldn't make that claim

You are correctly pointing to the fact that it is difficult to prove a negative claim.

But I'm not claiming to have proof.

I'm accepting that my belief is unproved.

[young pawn]

How do you consider subscriptions and in-app purchases? Recently I have purchased Apple Music and a message filter, which cost me 100 RMB and 6 RMB respectively. It doesn’t seem a large number however if you consider to calculate the summary price for many years, it would be an astronomical amount.

[thorny steeple]

well atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or God, but postive atheism is the claim that God does not exist, or an assertion that his existence is not possible.

[lavish finch]

And at the same time believing it, without irrefutable proof, but with reasons.

[thorny steeple]

so I'm just asking, how do you know that God doesn't exist?

[thorny steeple]

they are getting out of hand

or to put it in simple words, what is the proof of God's non-existence?

[lavish finch]

You're repeating your question, so I guess you are ignoring my answer to it, which I've already given.

"I'm not claiming to have proof."

[thorny steeple]

I'm not ignoring it, I just don't understand it.

[lavish finch]

You don't understand how someone can believe something without proof?

[thorny steeple]

so you don't have a reason to believe that God doesn't exist?

[lavish finch]

I am distinguishing between reasons and proof.

[thorny steeple]

I don't understand how can someone make an assertion without a proof.

[lavish finch]

Oh, easily.

We all do it all the time.

[young pawn]

I think so, too

[lavish finch]

It's great to have the goal of proof. But it's rare to achieve that.

[thorny steeple]

unintentionally, yes maybe, but if someone reminds you to provide the evidence or the proof, you have to recognize that the burden of proof lies on you when you make an assertion that you want people to believe it.

[lavish finch]

You've been saying that over and over. I understand and agree.

The burden of proof is on the person who asserts a claim.

But you've overstepped.

[thorny steeple]

yes, exactly, so why haven't you provided the proof of the non-existence of God?

[lavish finch]

I have not asked you to believe it.

[thorny steeple]

oh, I got it now.

Lol, I think you were proving a point, if someone believes in something, it doesn't mean they assert it.

[covert raptor]

"man made" -- common cliche thrown by atheists to mock religion groups

[thorny steeple]

true.

[lavish finch]

Not necessarily, no.

[thorny steeple]

yeah, by some atheists, not all atheists of course.

[lavish finch]

I do believe religions are man made, and I don't say that to mock at all.

[covert raptor]

In the context when it was used before

[lavish finch]

religion, from the latin, to bind.

obligation

[covert raptor]

Can we say anything that stems out of human cognition is man made? Natural languages, math, science, etc

[lavish finch]

No, definitely not. Natural languages are not man made.

The term is artifact.

Languages are not artifacts.

[covert raptor]

Huh? How so. We invented languages

[lavish finch]

Although written language is.

No, we didn't.

lol

[covert raptor]

Other species don't recognize our language

[lavish finch]

Did we invent the immune system?

Did we invent the eyeball?

Natural language is not a human artifact.

Like the wheel.

[thorny steeple]

we probably invented both terms, but surely we didn't invent the physical entities.

[lavish finch]

It is a biological faculty, like the circulatory system.

[covert raptor]

Maybe but it is learned right? No one is born speaking a language

Except of Wahh Waaahs

[thorny steeple]

😂

[lavish finch]

Have you wondered why it's the case that dogs don't speak English?

Do you believe that the reason is because we have not been sending them to the right schools?

[thorny steeple]

due to various factors, different vocal cords, different brain structure etc...

[covert raptor]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c6bSVDzOz1c

[lavish finch]

Not vocal chords. Vocal chords are not necessary for human language, as those who know sign language demonstrate.

I see. According to Miles, perhaps the reason we don't have more dog members in The English Hub is that we have not given them the appropriate keyboards.

The fact is, animal communication is not natural human language. There are many important differences.

[thorny steeple]

their vocal cords won't allow them to make the same sounds we do, but they still can understand some human language words, I think.

[lavish finch]

Language is a faculty of the human brain.

Not apes, not dogs, not parrots.

Not computers.

If you're interested in the detailed explanation I recommend Steven Pinker's The Language Instinct.

Here is a summary.

This is the introductory textbook frequently used in Introduction to Linguistics classes in college.

[thorny steeple]

do you have the web version? I can't read it here in Discord, there is no zoom in.

[covert raptor]

Not diverse and inclusive enough because we only have humans here xD

[lavish finch]

This will get you started. The first 100 out of 500 pages.

[abstract cypress]

atheism and faith are both illogical

[covert raptor]

So humans have a biological faculty for language learning, but the language itself (Greek, Arabic, English, etc) is invented?

[abstract cypress]

we can't know if god exists or not certainly

[abstract cypress]

Yes. If dogs develop something in their brain that will turn barking into a language, then they will

Dolphins actually did a similar thing

mmm this man made thing is still going so imma insert more of my takes

we cannot prove that god exists or not, but we can prove that religions are manmade

I say "God" in the sense of abrahamic religions. If you delve into hinduism then it's possible, for some variations of it, that god exists

[thorny steeple]

the existence of God is totally provable, the negative is the thing that cannot be proved.

in other words, God's existence can be proved, while God's non-existence (the negative) cannot be proved, it can only be uncertain.

[abstract cypress]

I'd like to see your proof

[thorny steeple]

there are many evidence for God's existence, one which I usually provide, the fact that the universe is not eternal and it had a beginning, proves there is a cause for the universe's existence.

[covert raptor]

No amount of evidence will convince an atheist. They'll be asking for more.

[thorny steeple]

some atheists are really looking for the truth, they'll have no problem accepting the proof, but I agree some just deny any evidence you provide.

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[abstract cypress]

Is this uncaused cause intelligent?

[thorny steeple]

if the universe had a beginning, there should be a cause that caused its beginning, but it should also be the ultimate and only independent cause, due to the simple fact that infinite regression is impossible, which means that if we have an infinite amount of dependent causes, nothing will be caused, because an independent cause is required to start that chain of causality, since we are conscious, that being must also be conscious, it should be an intelligent being in order to fine tune the universe that much, and it should be omnipotent, since it created everything.

[abstract cypress]

How do you know that this uncaused cause is intelligent, and that things does not move because simply things's properties interact with each other, once they are caused, to produce even more things?

[thorny steeple]

sorry, I don't follow, give me an example of what you mean.

[abstract cypress]

how do you know the universe got to this state because something directed it, not because things in the universe interact independently so it got to this state

[formal scaffold]

whoever made the concept of time and place made the universe

[thorny steeple]

due to the accurate and fine-tuned physical constants.

[abstract cypress]

physical constrants are not always accurate nor are they "fine-tuned" (which is ambiguous as the fine-tuning argument supposes that the universe is tuned to life, instead of vice-versa; one also could say that life is tuned to the universe).

Some things do exist in more than one state at once, challenging causality. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition

An intelligent unmoved mover requires causality, so how do you explain superpositions?

@lavish finch hey james, what are the chances that NYU A&S will accept me changing majors, since debating god's existence is way more fun than organic chemistry

also i HATE brooklyn so

[thorny steeple]

no problem, I'll respond to that, but currently I have assignments for tomorrow's lecture, so let's continue tomorrow.

[abstract cypress]

good luck

[lavish finch]

What makes you say that infinite regression is impossible?

And if infinite regression is impossible does that mean that god is not omnipotent?

[lavish finch]

It's completely up to you. On your death bed would you prefer to regret not having done more organic chemistry or apologetics. Take your pick.

[craggy sphinx]

hello

Is it true that the Quran describes well the development of the embryo 1400 years ago?

@thorny steeple

[craggy sphinx]

I remember you read this book

[craggy sphinx]

@ornate siren hello , what do you think?

[abstract cypress]

it depends, will god burn me in hell afterwards?

[formal scaffold]

this might help it contain most confirmed schientific signes in quran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXqqdPrYQQ

[craggy sphinx]

Do you mean to say that this confirms its authenticity?

[formal scaffold]

It's not a 100% proof for its authenticity

[formal scaffold]

Some might say the prophet muhamed (pbuh) stole this info from old civilazition, even tho he can't read not write

[craggy sphinx]

Yes, but I thought about it when I found out that in the Quran the numerical values of the distance to the star sirius coincide with the current data.

[formal scaffold]

I heard that even previous relegions has that I'm actually watching a documentary about it

[craggy sphinx]

Ok, to suggest that it's a star is likely, but determining the distance without instruments is quite difficult

It is also possible to describe the development of the embryo, but I am surprised by the data about the Astronomy in the Quran

@formal scaffold Thank you for listening

[formal scaffold]

I've been interested in astrotheology recently any info is valuable from yr end

[zinc horizon]

Has anyone read "Crime and Punishment"?

[covert raptor]

Pride and Prejudice only

[zinc horizon]

I've heard about it, but I haven't read it

[zinc horizon]

Did you like it?

[covert raptor]

On your death bed, you think about what happens after death

[covert raptor]

I haven't read it but similar sounding names

[zinc horizon]

"Crime and Punishment" is a Russian novel written by Fyodor Dostoevsky, I advise you to read

[covert raptor]

I read his underground man book

[zinc horizon]

what do you think about it?

[covert raptor]

It's a dull reading. Deals with nihilism and meaninglessness

[zinc horizon]

An interesting opinion, because in Russia Dostoevsky is highly respected, but not by Nabokov)

[cinder quartz]

Minecraft or Roblox

[zinc horizon]

minecraft

[covert raptor]

Nabokov what

[zinc horizon]

Nabokov don't really like Dostoevsky

[covert raptor]

Why?

[zinc horizon]

I don't know for sure, but he definitely loved Tolstoy very much

[covert raptor]

Maybe he hates that Dostoevsky is more successful

[ember portal]

Hello

[mental peak]

https://medium.com/human-restoration-project/its-time-to-stop-using-kahoot-as-a-whole-class-review-tool-a894fdf0507b

Thoughts? I think it's a bit harsh.

[ornate siren]

I haven't read the Quran

[rose wadi]

I did

[covert raptor]

Did you learn to commit crimes? Learn about the different punishments?

People say Russian literature is dark and nihilistic, but maybe they are honest about the world.

[faint blade]

good luck to everyone, I wanna improve my English, wanna be taught from native speakers

[jolly agate]

Doors for your journey resides at #📚｜english-questions #1096428803724673124.

[craggy sphinx]

hello
Yes, but what do you think of what I've written? Does it seem like magic?

hello chat

[ornate siren]

No

[craggy sphinx]

But how can this be? How did they know this 1400 years ago?

[ornate siren]

How can I know that? It may be possible that they just hypothesized, or (which is cliché) discovered some technique that has been lost forever due to some reason.

[craggy sphinx]

And you're saying that my skepticism makes everyone sick?

[ornate siren]

I don't know

[jolly agate]

No, I think it’s important to have some skepticism.

Ye. It’s also important to not be a sceptical person, cause then you will fall under the category of nihilism.

which is no good category to fall under.

[mental peak]

Nihilism is kind of redundant in practical applications

[jolly agate]

Clearly cause there lack of belief in this world, makes them insignificant for us to even care for their opinion.

[mental peak]

The cure for nihilism is pointing a gun to the person's head as some people say

It's a joke, but still

[jolly agate]

Yes, I think people should at least try it

Just threaten them.

[craggy sphinx]

no, the Pyrrhonism school rejects nihilism

Doubt allows you to improve yourself

[jolly agate]

Ye I also said that.

[craggy sphinx]

Doubting even the simplest things allows you to find new connections

[craggy sphinx]

how are you ?

[jolly agate]

then you would always live in fear.

[jolly agate]

I’m good my friend how are you.

[jolly agate]

That’s a curse that you put on yourself.

And only you can get rid of it.

[craggy sphinx]

maybe

I ask those who tell me "crazy" to prove what they claim. But that's not happening.

Who's crazy now?

[jolly agate]

Nope you are different.
Nihilism people have a viewpoint that asserts the meaninglessness or lack of inherent value in life, the universe, or certain aspects of existence.

While you ask people to prove why they say what they or why the believe in what they believe in. there is a difference.

[jolly agate]

Cause sometimes your words provocative

that could be the reason people call you crazy.

[blissful forge]

Hello

[jolly agate]

Hey

[blissful forge]

I want to learn most commonly used political words

Like communism capitalism

Right wing left wing politics

And all others

[jolly agate]

You will get answer don’t worry.

[blissful forge]

I hope so. Thanks though

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-tom-hanks-forrest-gump-hey-mel-gif-13971031

[thorny steeple]

In the metaphor, found at 488a–489d, Plato compares the population at large to a strong but near-sighted shipowner whose knowledge of seafaring is lacking. The quarreling sailors are demagogues and politicians, and the ship's navigator, a stargazer, is the philosopher. The sailors flatter themselves with claims to knowledge of sailing, though they know nothing of navigation, and are constantly vying with one another for the approval of the shipowner so to captain the ship, going so far as to stupefy the shipowner with drugs and wine. Meanwhile, they dismiss the navigator as a useless stargazer, though he is the only one with adequate knowledge to direct the ship's course.

[thorny steeple]

The right wing is concerned with being conservative, and some people may perceive it as opinionated and autocratic, while the left wing is more liberal and promotes freedom; some people even call it Marxism and relate it to anarchy. (just from what I know of).

[thorny steeple]

The leftists would be in favor of communism, and the rightists would go for capitalism or monarchy.

[blissful forge]

Why this?

[blissful forge]

Thanks

[thorny steeple]

It figuratively captures the concepts of politics, law, and governance.

[blissful forge]

Oh nice. Thank you

[thorny steeple]

no worries

[sand river]

Hi, anyone wanna be friends?

[thorny steeple]

Hey wassup

[sand river]

Hi :>

[thorny steeple]

I send you a friend request

[sand river]

Ok

[lavish finch]

hɛˈloʊ

dɪz ˈɛniˌwən hir rɛd ipa*?

𓁶𓁨𓃔𓂪𓂈𓂉𓁼𓁉𓅥𓅼𓅿𓅒𓈕

[devout shale]

Sure

[hot galleon]

Hi

[main bison]

Hi ryad

[humble lion]

Bonjour, comment allez vous

[hot galleon]

How are you ?

[hot galleon]

Je vais bien et toi ?

[humble lion]

Je vais bien too ty monsieur

[hot galleon]

aussi it means too in French

it means also too

[humble lion]

Je vais bien aussi

[hot galleon]

Yeah

[humble lion]

[hot galleon]

[main bison]

great
Are u from france?

[hot galleon]

Yes

And you ?

[main bison]

cool
tell me the name of your city
i wanna search it in google map

[main bison]

iran

[hot galleon]

Lmao my city is Amiens

[humble lion]

Teach him my song minereza

[hot galleon]

Oh cool

[main bison]

دیشب با دلم؟

[humble lion]

Yes

[main bison]

[humble lion]

https://youtu.be/4pnnEwQhGhE?si=r3vBxhF6QJ27j9T6

[hot galleon]

Did you search ?

[humble lion]

Tell me what u think about this monsieur

[hot galleon]

Okay

[hot galleon]

Do you speak fluently Arabic ?

[main bison]

yeah
Its so beautiful
You have river in your city
Tell me the name of your neighiborhood
Or ally

i wanna see where you live

[humble lion]

Its persian. And no my level is not fluent in arabic

[hot galleon]

Olympe de Gouges

[hot galleon]

Oh okay for me Arabic and Persian are same

😅

[hot galleon]

He sing good

[main bison]

Ammm?

[humble lion]

Its more like a meme.
I find it hilarious, no real music lol

[main bison]

i know another song like this
Wanna hear it?

[main bison]

@hot galleon
Hey
where is your neighbourhood?

[humble lion]

Sure

[hot galleon]

Look at the middle

[hot galleon]

Oh okay yes I thought this guy is a little bit crazy

[main bison]

Oh man
Can you give me a coordinate number?

[hot galleon]

Amiens is little you can see all the middle city in only 5 mins

[main bison]

okay
But i wanna see your home

[hot galleon]

Why ?

[main bison]

Let me see

because for humanity

i think

[humble lion]

😂😂😂

[humble lion]

I'll listen to it later im busy now

[hot galleon]

Sorry but my house is private I don't want that an unknown see my house.

[main bison]

Okay
I see ESIEE Amiens in the map
Are u living near that

[hot galleon]

Yeah

[main bison]

What is that place?

[hot galleon]

A place for studies

[main bison]

University?

[hot galleon]

Maybe for searcher

[hot galleon]

Yeah

[main bison]

have you studied there?

[hot galleon]

No

I don't study in Amiens

I currently study in Reims

[main bison]

what do you study ?

[hot galleon]

I study to become an engineer

Especially an computer sciences engineer

So I study mathematic, physic, computer sciences English and philosophy/french

[main bison]

You Are french
Why do learn french?

[hot galleon]

Book

[main bison]

huh

[hot galleon]

Like roman book theater books etc.

[main bison]

nevermind
Could u give your address ?
I really wanna see your house

[main bison]

huh

[hot galleon]

I can show you pictures

[main bison]

great

is paris really city of lovers?
@hot galleon

[hot galleon]

No lol, Paris is so dirty

Like New York London etc.

And Paris there are a lot people who don't have an house, there are a lot crack users...

Personally I hate Paris, there are too many people, it's impossible to live in Paris and houses in Paris are so expensive

[craggy sphinx]

[main bison]

dude

[hot galleon]

Yes ?

There are beautiful street in Paris of course but I am someone who prefer to say the truth

Before Paris was a lover's city yeah but now this is not real

When I say before I say before 2000

[thorny steeple]

the fine-tuning argument supposes that things have purpose, they didn't exist out mere coincidences.
physical constants are accurate and "fine-tuned", it's true that some physical constants are believed not to be fine-tuned, but that doesn't disprove the fact that tones and tones of other physical constants are fine-tuned, and therefore they prove the intelligent design.
I usually don't restrict the fine-tuning argument to only the physical constants, there are other proofs around you that certainly indicate an intelligent creator (such as the anatomy of the giraffe, which is incredible to say the least, if you'd like me to talk about it, I have no problem, but remember, this a drop in the bucket compared to all the millions of other examples) which cannot be subject to coincidences, and the idea that life is the one tuned for the universe is quite bizarre frankly, life relies on certain conditions to exist, these conditions are available on certain planets, which allow life to emerge, among these conditions are the physical constants, which I used as evidence, I'm assuming you're talking about the multiverse, which I hate when people talk about, it's not scientific at all, it's a hypothetical idea which does not in any way disprove God, first 'cause it requires fine-tuning itself, second 'cause it does not have a single scientific proof, it was made up to escape the truth of having an intelligent creator as the only explanation.
here are some testimonies of scientists who acknowledged the fact of fine-tuning:

1. Sir Fred Hoyle "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature"
2. Sir Martin Rees "Wherever physicists look, they see examples of fine tuning"
3. Stephen Hawking "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life"

[lavish finch]

Flare

[thorny steeple]

regarding the superposition, it does not challenge causality, it may only challenge our classical understanding of it, let me give you an example, if we were to flip a coin, we'll either get head or tail, but we don't look at the result, here the coin is in a superposition of being heads and tails, once you look at the result, and find it, for instance, a head, now it's unclear whether the flip caused it to be a head (which is what classical causality would propose), or it was the measurement of the result that caused it to be head, overall, we still don't quite understand a lot of things in quantum mechanics, so even classical causality is still considered true regardless, and according to all of our observations, it surely governs our reality, also our understanding of quantum superposition may change in future, as it's still unclear.

[lavish finch]

I appreciate your dedication to....

Flare

You there?

[thorny steeple]

what?

[lavish finch]

I appreciate your dedication to thorough discussion

[thorny steeple]

I'm responding, this is not an argument, it's merely a discussion, I'm just trying to provide some information.

[lavish finch]

I understand

[thorny steeple]

thank you very much Mr. James.

[lavish finch]

I'm wondering, really just wondering if #1052921371006603304 might be a more appropriate space.

[thorny steeple]

I was also about to explain to you why infinite regression is an impossibility.

[lavish finch]

Because this is a chat space more than a block text space.

I'm just wondering.

Not ordering you to move.

[thorny steeple]

one sec, brb.

[frank oak]

TL;DR

[hot galleon]

Your message is so ridiculous, the anatomy of giraffe is because of the evolution theory, during millions years giraffe start with a short neck but he ate leaves Up in the trees so it pulled this neck and the neck of the giraffe (for millions years) grew up, if there isn't the problematic to eat up in the trees, giraffe probably wouldn't have had a big neck. And all of what you said that doesn't prove the existence of god

And sciences proved that

[thorny steeple]

infinite regression refers to a chain of dependent events, with each event waiting for the one that precedes it to initiate it or cause it to take effect, in order for any of these events to take place, they need a first cause that initiate the chain of events, but as infinity has no beginning, this infinite number of events will never occur, let's use domino pieces as an example, imagine a series of domino pieces standing against each other, and the series expands back to infinity, now all of these domino pieces rely on each other to fall in a sequential order, if there is no first domino that doesn't rely on a one before it, these domino pieces will never fall, and therefore infinite regression is an impossibility.

[maiden path]

read it all, agree with it all

[floral copper]

hello how are you?

[thorny steeple]

Lol, this is the most unscientific superficial absurd claim one can make, there are many mutually dependent factors that helps the Giraffe's neck to be that long, there are no blind genetic mutations that could possibly produce them all at the same time, and if we assume for the sake of the argument it happened coincidentally and with the aid of natural selection, then where are the millions of failed fossils that proved it to be true, there are only two possibilities for this to occur that way, either directed evolution, which still entails an intelligent designer, or the absence of evolution as a whole.

I'd also argue that evolution is a one big myth in the scientific fields, there are not enough evidence to support it whatsoever, yet, people in the scientific community are still shoving it down our throat, and the lie that 99% of scientists believe in evolution makes it hard for many people to accept that evolution is simply untrue.

[thorny steeple]

that's absolutely true.

[thorny steeple]

I'm doing good, thanks for asking, how about you?

[thorny steeple]

maybe you're right, but I'm not really trying to debate it, if someone turns it into a debate I won't continue with this discussion.

[craggy sphinx]

What do you think?

[craggy sphinx]

.

[thorny steeple]

it's true.

[craggy sphinx]

data that is in the Quran

[hot galleon]

"there are many mutually dependent factors that helps the Giraffe's neck to be that long"
** Yes I agree with that but the problematic of to eat up in the trees is the main cause of long neck**
"There are no blind genetic mutations that could possibly probuce them all at the same time" This evolution has taken place over millions of years...
"then where are the millions of failed fossils that proved be true"
There are fossils of giraffe ancestor with a short neck, Okapi and Giraffe have the same ancestor
"There are only two possibilities for this occur that way, either directed evolution witch stills entails an intelligent designer"
It's absolutely false because evolution is not determined like a Pokemon, Giraffe wouldn't probably have had a big neck if giraffe didn't eat up in the trees, the evolution depends of your environment and your way to live.

[hot galleon]

Evolution theory is proved and it is currently prove, so evolution theory is a fundamental theorem in biology

[hot galleon]

Lol Quoran Said that bones form before fresh

[thorny steeple]

I don't buy it, it requires highly advanced technologies compared to what was available at the era the Quran was revealed.

[frank oak]

hru

[hot galleon]

Hello I'm fine and you ?

[floral copper]

just fine, ok so can you tell me? how can I improve English?

[craggy sphinx]

what? Could you please point out the Surah and the verse where this is said?

[hot galleon]

So for example if all of humans of the world decide to live in Africa, all of human kind will be black later (millions years) because in Africa it's heat

[frank oak]

im cnill

[hot galleon]

23:14 - Then We made the sperm into an adhesion, and from the adhesion We created an embryo, and from the embryo We created bones and clothed the bones with flesh. Then We transformed it into a completely different creation. Glory be to God, the Best of Creators!

And when you read Ibn Kathir's Tafsir he confirms that the bones were covered with flesh

[graceful dagger]

What accent does he speak?
https://youtu.be/EdwjEk38Bc0?t=145

[thorny steeple]

British English. He is from the south of England London area

[grave temple]

bo oh o wa er

[grave temple]

oh boy im not sure its how evolution and genetic works

the giraffe did not get its long neck from wanting to eat up trees

but those with shorter necks had a lower chance of surviving

therefore giraffes with longer necks had a higher survival rate

and in turn their population boomed

and giraffes with shorter necks ceased to exist because of there unability to get food

[devout shale]

Scientists don't believe that anymore tbh. Not meaning that evolution is false tho, just works differently

[grave temple]

i dont know why are people still arguing about evolution

just read on the origins of species by the means of natural selection

It has irrefutable evidence on the subject and probably explains natural selection and evolution better than anything you can find online

sometimes books > internet

[jolly agate]

have you guys know that humans are devolving. And there will be a point where humans will no longer be humans rather a machine.

Our own creations will be the end of us.

[violet dragon]

as long as those machines have consciousness, it could be worth it. morality could be tricky at that point tho

[grave temple]

define devolving in your sentence. also if they are "devolving", in what ways?

but can machine really have consciousness? If humans are no longer considered as "humans" but rather "machines with consciousness", how do we know if these "machines" have consciousness or even possess human core values and morals?

[jolly agate]

but that a speculation, and this can be prevented.

have you seen the movie terminater.

whould you call that terminator a human.

[grave temple]

What you are showing here is a "prediction" of humans in the future. I can assure you, it won't happen. Why not? Because for future humans to look like that, human 2.0 population needs to exceeds human 1.0. For that to happen, more than 2 humans 2.0 is needed in order to transmit the mutation and create another human 2.0. The chances of 2 human 2.0 existing is very slim and the chances of a sucessful conception and birth of an another human 2.0 is basically 0.

human 2.0 is mindy

human 1.0 is us homo sapiens

For the terminator part, im quite insure... A terminator is a hybrid between a human and a robot. Basically a cyborg. A cyborg is described as "someone who has one or more non-human body parts, such as artificial organs or limbs." Im not really into the Terminator series but if the cyborg's brain is artificial, there is no way to tell if it's human or a machine. Therefore we can assume it is not a human.

[lavish finch]

You've repeated this claim before that there must be an initial event. You deny infinity.

I'm curious, would you also say that the universe must therefore be finite rather than infinitely large?

The universe must have an edge?

[covert raptor]

How do we know?

[feral river]

well we also don’t know the edge of the earth before 10000 years

time will explain everything

why don’t I just think who I’m rather than universe

[craggy sphinx]

hello

““ Then we created a blood clot from a drop, then we created a chewed piece from a blood clot, then we created bones from that piece, and then we covered the bones with meat. Then we raised him in another creation. Blessed be Allah, the best of creators! ““

Then We created a blood clot from a drop, then We created a chewed piece from a blood clot, then We created bones from this piece, and then We clothed the bones with meat. Then We raised him in another creation. Blessed be Allah, the Best of creators! [[After forty days, the drop gradually turns into a scarlet blood clot. In this state, the human embryo remains for another forty days, after which it turns into a tiny piece of meat that is so small that it looks like a chewed piece. And then bones appear in this tender piece of meat, which are clothed with meat. Thus, bones turn into the skeleton of the human body, and meat becomes its garment. The human embryo remains in this state for another forty days. And then the soul is breathed into it, thanks to which the lifeless creature turns into a living fruit. Great and blessed is Allah, the best of creators, who brings a lot of good to His creations! The Almighty said: "Such is the Knower of the hidden and the manifest, the Mighty, the Merciful, Who excellently created everything that He created, and began to create a man from clay, then created his offspring from a drop of despicable liquid, then gave him a commensurate appearance, breathed into him from His spirit and gave you hearing, sight and hearts. But how small is your gratitude!" (32:6-9).

All of Allah's creations are beautiful, but man is one of the most beautiful of them. Moreover, man is the most beautiful and wonderful creation of Allah. The Almighty said, "We created man in the most beautiful form" (95:4). That is why human qualities are the most perfect and the best of Allah's creations.]]

[lavish finch]

I'd like to see less quote and more of your own words.

This is a chat channel.

[craggy sphinx]

Hello Mr James Green

[lavish finch]

Hello eisan

[rose grotto]

Hello

[jolly agate]

Why u changed your profile photo

[jolly agate]

Why not woman

why the almighty one talks about man being beautiful creation but not women

[craggy sphinx]

There is a whole surah about women, about which all the beauty is revealed

[jolly agate]

Ohk

[craggy sphinx]

Women are highly valued

[craggy sphinx]

boring with the same one pfp

[jolly agate]

Look at me

Same old default duck

[hot galleon]

Hello All this paragraph is false, is 3 semaines after fetus flesh formed and 10 semaines fetus Afters bones formed...

[craggy sphinx]

hello

Could you give some arguments?

[hot galleon]

During 11 week after ovulation baby become to fetus, fetus has a body and we can see the head of baby is more tall than their body, that's because before to become a fetus, there is brain embryo development heart is too develop which flesh and all principal organic and vital system are already develop, so their body have already flesh who developed before to become a fetus and after fetus all bones are developing until the birth first nails are developing after spinal column etc is developing.

So bones are developing after flesh

[craggy sphinx]

ye

[craggy sphinx]

look

[craggy sphinx]

Thank you for clarifying

@ornate siren

hello , how are you ?

What do you think about this previous verse?

[ornate siren]

Which verse exactly?

[hot galleon]

.

[humble lion]

I saw an athiest scientists agreeing on this a couple of years ago

Althought it's an athiest-favoring debate, he said that there must be smthn that act as a base for the flesh to be synthesized onto

It was more like a logical approach to the matter in hand

Quran nails the part of the clinged piece of meat to the uterus wall and later on describes the formation of bones prior to flesh. i get your point as u think of it as a sequence as: quran says sperm > clinged piece of meat > bone > flesh but actually if you read the arabic tefsirs there is no mention of thinking of it as a sequence and solid scientific fact regarding development of embryo.. and why is it not seen in that way? Bcoz quran is not a scientific book but a religion, the purpose of that ayah is not to be used as scientific research but more like as a scientific wonder to further amaze people and approve of it's holiness..

Simply, the rising problem in this ayah is due to the timeline of which it's understood, if u think of it as a sequence yes it's meat then bone but if u do so, u use the ayah as a scientific solid base and it shakes the general purpose of the book thus u are of high chance to be mistaken.. i personally think of it as a simple easy to get matter which is: u need bones as a solid base, as a framework for flesh to be made onto. Easy as that

I'm not trying to prove u wrong or look down upon u btw, im more interested to get into same ground with eachother

[craggy sphinx]

no

my suggestion is above with an explanation and for consideration.

[hot galleon]

Sorry I have a question, are you Muslim ?
I'm gonna to answer after because I have school today

[hot galleon]

Nocturnal asked "Which verse exactly"

[humble lion]

Yes i am kind sir. U will be too insha'allah

[ornate siren]

@craggy sphinx

[thorny steeple]

if genetic mutations were random, and natural selection was blind, then the amount of fossils of failed samples during the evolution process would exceed all the expectations, millions of species, as the evolution proposes, have many transitional and intermediate species, but scientifically, you can't find all of these claims, such thing should've been a piece of cake to prove since it must leave many fossils of these so called "transitional species", seems like you're either not up-to-date with the recent lies about evolution, such as the directed mutations that many scientists have adopted, or you're just taking words from someone who manipulates you, either ways, you're so biased and have a blind evolutionist faith.

[craggy sphinx]

yes, but what I have indicated is more accessible. He can better understand the essence.

[craggy sphinx]

What conclusion did you draw?

[thorny steeple]

yes, isn't it beautiful how accurate it is when the Quran says "فكسونا", the letter "فـ" here denotes in "fast pace" or "immediately" in Arabic, it's absolutely accurate that the formation skeletal muscles (Myogenesis) occurs immediately adjacent to the development of the skeletal bones, surely some muscles are formed before the bones in the human embryology, but the verse specifically talks about the skeletal muscles (the muscles that attach to the skeletal bones).

[humble lion]

I bet 24.99$ flare is moroccan, prove me wrong😼

[thorny steeple]

@craggy sphinx here is your answer my friend.

[thorny steeple]

I'm not, give me my money now!! 😂

[craggy sphinx]

There is also a possibility that the unit you are identifying may be incorrectly reproduced

[humble lion]

No wayyyy😭😂

[thorny steeple]

next time bro, next time. xD

[craggy sphinx]

That is, the people in the chat misunderstood the verse?

[thorny steeple]

I won't proceed with this debate with Ryad as I'm not aiming for any debate in the first place, it's enough that I pointed out his ignorance.

[humble lion]

Algeria counts as morocco as well in this deal

[thorny steeple]

the verse states that bones are formed and just immediately afterwards skeletal muscles are attached to it, it's super accurate.

[thorny steeple]

neither am I an algerian. xD

[humble lion]

Shuuuu

Not my day ig

[thorny steeple]

lol

[humble lion]

U won ur money i shall give happily

[thorny steeple]

Lol, yes yes, give me my money now. xD
just kidding of course. 😂

[craggy sphinx]

flesh

[thorny steeple]

I'm gonna head to college now guys, see ya later.

[humble lion]

💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵💵 💵

[craggy sphinx]

good luck !

[humble lion]

Count it will ya, should be 24

[humble lion]

Cya buddy

[ornate siren]

No comment

[jolly agate]

he yaa

[formal scaffold]

reading this is way easier than that

what does it mean?

[formal scaffold]

I'm struggling with this if anyone can read western Ancient Arabic

[formal scaffold]

Does any one here read "IPA" ???

[formal scaffold]

bəʊ tuː maɪ mɒm ðə kwiːn huːz ˈbjuːti ɪz ə ɡɪft frɒm ɡɒd (ˈɡɪftɪd wɪð godess feɪs)

[serene birch]

It is similar to the Quenya language.

[main bison]

hi guys
Do yo know any server like this?
Pls invite me

[formal scaffold]

there are even similar words I heard

[main bison]

Is this english ?

[formal scaffold]

arabic

[main bison]

how did you know that?

[formal scaffold]

I'm transcribing the whole thing

[uneven reef]

what do u do guys if u’re tired of everything

[jolly agate]

Sleep

[uneven reef]

whyy

[jolly agate]

What’s wrong with sleep

[thorny steeple]

try nothing

[jolly agate]

It makes your mind more clam and helps you reset your brain. So you can start focusing again.

it works for me

[formal scaffold]

you can't be tired of everything, since you didn't try everything, but you think you are because you have a mind read over some things, some things might sound boring and you didn't try them yet, I suggest you emmrse your universe by trying things you didn't try before

escape your routine

[uneven reef]

let me try this

[uneven reef]

i think so, thank uu. i can trying thing i didn’t try beforeee

[vale thistle]

Halo

[trim reef]

hi

[thorny steeple]

sorry for my late reply.
no I'm not denying infinity, even though it's just a mathematical concept and we don't know whether it really exists in the physical world or not, but the thing I'm denying is infinite regression, it's a contradiction, anyone with common sense would notice that you cannot require a beginning from infinity, 'cause simply infinity doesn't have a beginning.

[craggy sphinx]

[craggy sphinx]

ok

@lavish finch
I do not know what about the English dictionary, but we have such terms as "pedaling", "malomalski, "dithyramb"

the first term means to focus on something or someone

the second term means a small amount of something. this applies not only to the objects of the material world

the third term means exaggerating something. for example, that this person is too smart

"the Pharisee" - hypocrite

[rapid galleon]

Hi 👋 Angel from Nigeria

[thorny steeple]

hello

[rapid galleon]

How are you?

[thorny steeple]

fıne thanks

and you?

[round latch]

i thank me

[agile owl]

Nigeria? Really?

[agile owl]

You’ve got a mate here

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/FK3mhblK6tJoHOoBVBSnFxtnnt_UN3DpSJ_00MkEdzO0xBQOVA1ClHFVlKXPlhxlnevaY-58rp3W=s640-nd-v1

[devout shale]

If the universe was infinite that means everything that can phisically happen in this universe will happen, already has happened and is happening right now somewhere out there, an infinite amount of times. Though I doubt that is the case since universe is expanding, and something infinite cannot expand beyond infinity.

"infinitely large" it's just semantic, not mathematical truth

[devout shale]

If machines would be able to develop a consciousness in the true sense of the word, then that means robots would be no different from humans, but that also means we are no different from really advanced robots (the same thing actually) since that would imply consciousness can be "created". But I'm inclined to think robot "consciousness" will always be a simulative one, not real. Note though that consciousness is not needed to develop intelligence, even intelligence more advanced then our. Machines could easily be able to colonize the galaxy without them even knowing.

[stuck notch]

how to describe the colors to someone who was born blind

[devout shale]

i think temperature analogy would be appropriate

[stuck notch]

why ? are you high?

[devout shale]

no

don't know whats wrong with my answer tbh

[stuck notch]

rest buddy

[devout shale]

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Color_temperature

color and temperature are strictly related @stuck notch

what type of answer did you expect?

[stuck notch]

i wondered then my brain went error then i asked

[sonic flicker]

Bruh, you are here too

[sonic flicker]

.

Nvm

[round imp]

Hello

Someone to talk about cubing

[craggy sphinx]

yes

[craggy sphinx]

I think it will be difficult to do this, except for the end-to-end transmission of rays of different wavelengths

[sour quail]

heyo

[vernal spade]

hello

i have a question

How can we think outside the box?

[agile owl]

It’s metaphorical

[serene birch]

Which box?

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[craggy sphinx]

Why would you want to think outside the box?

[agile owl]

Hi

[humble lion]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyOq_AXNECQ/?igshid=Zm1tZnhrYXZ4dnVi

halal_researcher

𝗩𝗶𝘀𝗶𝘁 𝗣𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗺𝗶𝗿𝗮𝗰𝗹𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗤𝘂𝗿𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗠𝘂𝗵𝗮𝗺𝗺𝗮𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗹𝗱 𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗽𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲𝘀 👇

This is second bible which claim Muhammad as prophet. Another bible is already discovered in kumran caves which predict prophet Muhammad.

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[craggy sphinx]

hello

how are you ?

[agile owl]

All good

It’s not busy here

[thorny steeple]

some people who are born blind lack the ability to see any color, even black, they simply lack the sense of vision altogether, I'm talking about people with total blindness, the eye has a light-sensitive tissue at the back of it, it's called the retina, and it contains photoreceptor cells, if the cones, which are a type of the photoreceptor cells, are not working properly, they might lose any sense of color, although some people might still have rods, which are the other type of photoreceptor cells that detect the levels of lights, somewhat working, but if both are not working, they might be completely blind, even unable to see darkness or black.

[craggy sphinx]

Oh yes, I've been noticing a decrease in activity in this chat for a long time, but lately the chat seems to be on the mend🙃

[serene birch]

I learn something more interesting every singleday.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1721651645992341907

[thorny steeple]

imagine having an entire state being terrorists and criminals, that shall be recorded in history.

[serene birch]

It was written into history years ago, but there is still no result.

As there are more peaceful people in the world, barbarians are taking over the sovereignty and control. Very insteresting

[thorny steeple]

it arises the conspiracy of the illuminati again, even though the illuminati is not super secret or anything like that.

but I mean some kind of organization that is trying to take over the world.

[serene birch]

Zionism

[thorny steeple]

that's plausible to me, not gonna lie.

[serene birch]

They live in dreams. Just like other stupid and perverted cults.

[thorny steeple]

Zionism has become the ultimate evil group in this century.

[serene birch]

Yeah, how great are those who understand this. Unfortunately, there are still ignorant people who think they are good.

May all religious cults disappear and be erased.

[thorny steeple]

they are simply being manipulated, just like how they attempted to manipulate the world into believing that Palestinians are not humans, and therefore any kind of method of eradication against those people, even brutally murdering children, would be justifiable, 'cause after all, you're fighting a non-human race that potentially poses a threat to the world, this is a dark psychology trick.

[thorny steeple]

Zionism is not really a religious cult actually.

[serene birch]

They use it as a shield and propaganda tool. Just like the things they did in his other sects.

[thorny steeple]

it's more of an ideology that turned into a cult, but initially the founder of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, wasn't that religious at all, he had no problem changing his religion to any other religion for the world to perceive him differently.

[thorny steeple]

indeed propaganda is a powerful tool that is sometimes used to manipulate people.

or brainwash them, we see this countless times in movies, where they try to insert certain ideologies in order to make them more acceptable.

[jolly agate]

What’s sup

[thorny steeple]

also is used in the scientific fields sometimes unfortunately.

[thorny steeple]

hey bro! nothing, just a chit chat.

[jolly agate]

nice

I got exam, tomorrow

ahhh

It’s maths.

[thorny steeple]

this channel has become my favorite so far, I like to have serious and beneficial discussions with people.

[jolly agate]

I like to read them

[thorny steeple]

all the best bro. 🤍

[jolly agate]

Thankyou. but

when I see a question my Brain spins

and end up forgetting how to do it

[thorny steeple]

math requires training and practicing, just keep solving as many problems as you can.

that way I guarantee you'll never forget how to solve a problem, but also don't forget to understand and comprehend mathematical rules and concepts well, so basically don't only ask how, also ask why.

[jolly agate]

I’ll keep it in mind.

[sonic flicker]

Hello guys, morning! Yeah, that's true

It's like reading, you get better if you do it constantly

[thorny steeple]

hey, how is your day going?

[thorny steeple]

yep, agreed. 💯

[lavish finch]

If you want you can explore what you did that made such a conversation possible. If you know what you did that helped you get what you want, you can do more of it.

[craggy sphinx]

Hello Mr James Green
I have terms, perhaps, that you don't know about

[serene birch]

Yeah unfortunately, The hardes part is when we explain this to individuals, they perceive it as an insult and humiliation and they turn against those who tell the truths. I am waiting with hope to see how we, as all humanity, will get out of this situations. Becuse things that seem good come face to face in a way that can destroy the world at any moment.

[lavish finch]

When did I ever say that I know all your terms?

[lavish finch]

You want all of humanity to bravely accept truth over self-destruction.

[serene birch]

The problem is accepting the trush. Because we don't know exactly what is truth or untruth. And reaching the truth itself is a very tiring and long process. Instead, we accept everything that is offered and continue to carry that flag. The other issue is the effort to destroy other things instead of self-destruction. This feeling actually causes great destruction.

Btw, Do I need to point out that everything I say are individual opinions. Sometimes people can perceive what I say as an order 🙂

Because each individual considers his or her own life to be the most valuable and does everything to avoid being deprived of it. Those who are close to them divide into groups and become teams, and those who are not close to them are designated as enemies. For example, China, Russia, U.K. France and USA. In U.N. they has right to veto and make decisions together. On the contrary, NATO a group organized directly against Russia and China. Why can't countries like China and Russia join NATO or be included or offered? Isn't this situation ridiculous? Because it's very simple, destroy the opponent and become a hero, your name will be written in history. What about 10,000 years later? None of them will even be remembered.

[subtle fern]

Huh?

[molten ether]

hey
You have a great body

[subtle fern]

Thanks bro

[molten ether]

are u a body builder or something?

[subtle fern]

No just like being in shape

[molten ether]

greay
Are u going to gym very often?

[subtle fern]

No I train at home it is cheaper

[frank topaz]

guy why the webcam don't run?

[agile owl]

K

[thorny steeple]

Hello i am computer science student and looking for partner with whom i can pair with in hackathons if interested please do let me know dm open

[subtle fern]

Every other day

[craggy sphinx]

We could agree what do you think?

[thorny steeple]

can somebody help me w my speaking exam :3

[thorny steeple]

I like how you think humanity will exist in next 10,000 years, when we are now on edge of nuclear war.

[worn bolt]

[craggy sphinx]

wottak

[craggy sphinx]

The resources of the fusis are on the brink. We're going to die sooner, unless there's an alternative

Maybe tomorrow, who knows?

[serene birch]

"None of them will even be remembered" I didn't want to indicate that we would survive or that this order would continue, etc. I mentioned the ultimate result.

This includes you, me, that, and this. And the resources in the world are unlimited. Only their forms changes and they form again over the years. Some in hundreds, some in millions, and some in billions of years. One of the things that is limited is our lifespan. But in our form it will somehow transform into other things and so on. Every material and sources on earth is imprisoned in the earth due to gravity.

Who knows, maybe the human biological structure will mutate and such a disaster may lead to a different evolution.

there are millions of possibilities.

[thorny steeple]

ma man is optimistic. 😂

[devout shale]

what will you see if you cant even see darkness?

[thorny steeple]

that's a really good question, but the answer is that you don't see anything, vision is an experience that once is there, you can't imagine how life looks without it I guess.

many things in this world are really known by experience only, vision is one example.

also, you can't logically explain the experience of colors, which leads me to why you can't explain free-will to determinists, but I don't wanna debate about it, it's a headache.

[devout shale]

fascinating, i'm thinking if that also applies to people who become blind later in life or who lose their eyes completely

[devout shale]

thats how knowledge is acquired btw

[plush lichen]

Soooo sup internet peoples. New World Order that is in the process of blooming. What's your thoughts on it?

[subtle fern]

Fight it as long as possible

[hallow folio]

Hellow

[jolly agate]

Now it’s good that we more people joining the conversation.

[jolly agate]

Wait is it possible to explain truth.

or may it as hard as explaining the word of colours to people who are born blind.

[sly ore]

Fr W

[fading abyss]

i love my mom

[uneven reef]

i hate my mom

[formal wadi]

I love my mom and dad

[steep depot]

Same

Tho.. I lost my dad..

Now I miss him

[ornate siren]

I was fine till my dad disappeared.

Welcome to #🧠｜serious-chat .

[steep depot]

What happened

[craggy sphinx]

[craggy sphinx]

no

People would actively use them without any precaution if that were the case

But that's not happening

[craggy sphinx]

ok

[static swift]

Start a serious topic with

[worn pond]

True, I think end of times is coming

[shy gazelle]

Hello everyone.

[serene birch]

that's what they already do

[main bison]

Why are all amricans bad at geography ?

they don't even know which state they are living

Do they know their captial?
I don't think so

[formal scaffold]

Maybe it's not just Geography

[main bison]

yeah even math
If you ask a amrican what's 3×3 he would say 6

[formal scaffold]

I Was part of a recent podcast about the US education and they (People from the US) say it's getting worse by the year

[jolly agate]

America is getting closer and closer to it dawn

[formal scaffold]

I suggested that students confidence in building their own knowledge will boost their love for education, before shutting their false Ideas down instead teachers should acknowledge their efforts

[jolly agate]

but the amount of distraction out their for people to get distracted, Is in abundant. There is a saying “comparison is a thief of joy” I think what happening out their is young individuals who are in their teen are comparing them self to those who are at the top. which could be one of the reasons why students are struggling to build up their confidence

[formal scaffold]

I like the saying btw, yeah they should inform them that education grading system doesn't determine who's the samartest person in the room rather, the one who memorize better, work well under pressure, Or who can cheat without getting caught

There was this girl that I was i rivality with until I noticed the headphones hidden in her hijab (headscarf), luckily it was a bit transparent so i could barely see it, when I adressed that, she said I was listening to music, and I said why only during exam, she said to not feel stressed 🧢

[jolly agate]

I too would not be stressed too, if I could wear the headphones in the exam without getting noticed

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eHQKJTnBoY

[vital shard]

All is good until people use ai/chat gpt in exams with earphones

[jolly agate]

imagine wearing one of those ai glasses

into the exam hall

[vital shard]

That would be psyk

Any one would clear any exam then

[plush lichen]

Of course year by year it will get only worse. Remember I watched a vid where some American liberal teacher said that quote " Math is a racist cuz it was used to count slaves". But anyway why use intelligence when I can simply feed on the mainstream media and not question government

[lavish finch]

Do you question?

Your own assumptions

It’s easy to tell others to

Harder to do the work of questioning ourselves

[craggy sphinx]

Where is?

[plush lichen]

Surely i do question almost everything, every word they say through the media, checking the resources that well.. i may strongly disagree with or that even very unpleasent to see. For example u may know the saying that if u want to know whats going on in the USA u have to check Australian news

[manic pagoda]

hi

[plush lichen]

Without making your own assumptions where we all would be? probably still at stone age

[plush lichen]

Sup

[manic pagoda]

what discuss here?

[haughty stirrup]

quys who know about UML i have a question ,so if u know send me a message

[waxen vault]

hi guys

[gray flame]

Hi

[hexed flint]

Hi

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[thorny steeple]

what do you wanna know?

[serene birch]

What do you mean by "Where is"?

[vernal spade]

Hello
I hit the wall to know the right info...
What is the antisemitism and the semitism?...
And who they are now?...

[forest patio]

semitism has relation to judaism/jews
anti-semitism feeding hate towards the entire ppl of believers who follow judaism regardless of whether the ppl is zionist or not

[pallid moat]

?

[ornate wraith]

Is action without a purpose the same as result without a reason?

[formal scaffold]

who are the semites?

[forest patio]

it stands for jews

[forest patio]

yes?

[formal scaffold]

A semite: a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.

[forest patio]

yes???

semites are particularly used for jews

[formal scaffold]

in the west

[forest patio]

are u a semite? did what i stated offend u

[formal scaffold]

Yeah I am a semite

I'm not offended I just corrected you ig

[forest patio]

lmao

[thorny steeple]

i hear this is serious

[hexed canyon]

that's interesting, i thought that it was referred to the people with jew nationality

[ornate wraith]

What would happen if the central powers won the ww1

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[ornate siren]

https://www.quora.com/What-would-have-happened-if-the-Central-Powers-won-WW1#:~:text=If the Central Powers had won%2C they would have likely,impact on the participating countries.

@ornate wraith

[versed ether]

@grand jolt that is the flag of Sudan 🇸🇩

[grand jolt]

Palestine 🇵🇸

Oh my bad

Lmaooo i thought it was Palestine

[versed ether]

This guy is egyptian and don’t even know the Palestinian flag

😂

[grand jolt]

Sorry

[thorny steeple]

@versed ether do you support the killing of Palestine children

[versed ether]

@thorny steeple civilians dieing because Hamas want them die and use their civilians as Humanshild

[thorny steeple]

Ooh nice excuse to kill ppl

[grand jolt]

So why did Palestine do the same

[versed ether]

No person which is healthy in head should support any killing of kids

[thorny steeple]

Killing ppl in hospitals

Hamas r there noo

But they all still die

[grand jolt]

Hamas who

[thorny steeple]

They don't represent Palestine civilians buddy they r terrorist group but israeli army behaving like terrorist themselves by killing innocent civilians

[versed ether]

They are everywhere, they have misslelauncher next to schools, hq under hospitals, storages next to kindergarten

[versed ether]

Where are you from

[thorny steeple]

I'm from India

[grand jolt]

Still they did it first and Israel is attacking back
Remember 9/11? The US did the same

[thorny steeple]

And US was wrong it killed many innocent ppl too noone is good here and US openly supports israel

[versed ether]

Then tell hamas they shouldn’t use their own civilians as humanshild

[grand jolt]

The US supports Israel cuz Russia and friendly countries support Palestine

[thorny steeple]

And you ppl stop attacking children who have no role in war

[grand jolt]

Tell hamas to stop killing people

[thorny steeple]

Leave their country israel never existed it was built on invasion entirely

[versed ether]

@thorny steeple I don’t support my government and I hate Netanyahu, but my government have now to choose between dead israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians.

[thorny steeple]

Casualities are much more in Palestine 10,000 ppl have died

I don't support Hamas either

[versed ether]

Israel existed thousands years ago and since 1948 again.

[versed ether]

Look look .

[grand jolt]

Bro yo excuses are so fun out there

• stop killing people in Palestine
  No shit she could’ve just walked up to the president and talk to him to stop?
  Following that logic come up to hamas and all that shit and tell them to stop

[versed ether]

Was the British in WW2 the evil or Germany?

[thorny steeple]

Bro israeli citizens aren't even been attacked that much you have killed far more innocent ppl

[grand jolt]

Comparing the uk to Germany , Germany did way too many evil stuff

[hot galleon]

Bro you aren't very smart...

[versed ether]

9 thousand rockets got launched from Gaza

[thorny steeple]

Naah it didn't it was Palestine

[thorny steeple]

I don't support Hamas did I say I support them nooo

[thorny steeple]

Okay thanks

[versed ether]

Yes but it’s the same argument, British Air Force killed more german civilians than Germany killed British. So you can’t say israel is the evil just because of higher casualty’s

[versed ether]

You said Israel had never exist, so you support their view

[thorny steeple]

@versed ether Israeli army have been killing Palestine ppl from many yrs even before this war started

[thorny steeple]

But I don't support their killing

[versed ether]

Hamas too

[versed ether]

Do you know what they said what Hamas want?

[thorny steeple]

Bro I don't even care for them you can do whatever to them but at least don't kill the innocent ppl

[versed ether]

And why does that happening? Because of hamas

[versed ether]

Then tell me how we should destroy hamas

[thorny steeple]

It's happening from the time israel invaded the land of Palestine

[versed ether]

How should we stop the missle attack?

[versed ether]

We never invaded

[thorny steeple]

You can fire at their sites but your army just hitting missiles on public buildings where ppl r living

[grand jolt]

Bro why you two are fighting over this shit if there’s no way you could change anything

[thorny steeple]

Hahaha yea keep saying that

hamas - hamas - hamas everything hamas

[versed ether]

Because they place their misslelauncher next to this buildings🤦🏻‍♀️

[thorny steeple]

I'm out of here she doesn't want to understand anything

[thorny steeple]

That's just a excuse

[grand jolt]

She has her understanding of truth

[thorny steeple]

They want to kill more ppl

[versed ether]

🤦🏻‍♀️

[thorny steeple]

And invade more part of Palestine

[grand jolt]

Who cares

She can’t change it

[versed ether]

You have no idea of war

[thorny steeple]

Naah I have better than you brainwashed israelis

[grand jolt]

Lmaooo

[grand jolt]

U support Russia or Ukraine

[versed ether]

Did you serve or from where comes your military knowledge?

[versed ether]

You are under propaganda

[thorny steeple]

Same I can say about you

[versed ether]

Then fine we both are under propaganda

[grand jolt]

U skipping my question

[versed ether]

But don’t talk shit

[thorny steeple]

Not Russia they killed their ppl by invading ukraine

[grand jolt]

Butterfly how much hate do you receive nowadays 💀💀💀

[grand jolt]

Ukraine did too

[thorny steeple]

Yea keep saying that

🇵🇸

[thorny steeple]

Bro two yrs back everything was peaceful but they entered into ukraine and see how many ppl have died due to it

[grand jolt]

Don’t start it again

[thorny steeple]

Better live in peace then kill and invade places

[versed ether]

For example, this I got yesterday in dm

[thorny steeple]

start what?

[grand jolt]

Bro 10 years ago Ukraine started bombing itself with Russian people in it and nobody wanted to stop it

[thorny steeple]

Invading other countries is the root cause of all these problems

[grand jolt]

Ye I wish this to do to himself

[versed ether]

Sure

Hi

[thorny steeple]

He is not a good person to send this to you

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

crazy

[versed ether]

I have no problem with a 2 state solution like the most Israeli support this idea

[thorny steeple]

You talking about Crimea?

[thorny steeple]

I am noone to say on this for your country have already invaded a large junk of their land

But this war has killed too many ppl

[grand jolt]

I’m talking about Donbas and Lugansk regions

They been killing people for 8 years straight

Nobody gave a fuck

[thorny steeple]

It's because media doesn't show it

How ppl will know about it then

[grand jolt]

Don’t say YOU please, it’s not HER fault, she didn’t do it herself

[thorny steeple]

By you I mean israel

[grand jolt]

Media did show but then Ukrainian propaganda comes into play the same way Palestinian/israli propaganda works

If there’s war you won’t know the truth because everyone has their own truth

There’s no point of teaching someone anything about it

[thorny steeple]

Bro media is not fair itself so everyone picks a side

But I support Palestine many of their children have died I have seen enough of their sufferings

I don't support Hamas tho

They were wrong when they did that

[grand jolt]

You have your right to support anyone but why argue over it?

Poor people are dying in both palestine and Israel, they are innocent

They don’t want this war

Better support peace

[thorny steeple]

It's just coz seeing children suffering and dying in hospital is tough to see

[grand jolt]

Nobody wants ww3

[grand jolt]

I know

I feel pity for both

[thorny steeple]

They don't even understand much of what's happening actually

Imagine spending your childhood in war

You can't imagine the horrors they see everyday

[grand jolt]

People in israel have their own propaganda going on so they won’t know what Palestinian guys truly feel and vice versa

[thorny steeple]

Yea

[vernal spade]

hello, I'm really proud of ur conversation , you almost know everything including the Israel propaganda

but what make things worse is that most people know the truth , but they dont take any action

most people ask me what can we do?

[versed ether]

Palestinians should kick out hamas and we will have peace

[vernal spade]

you mean "Israel will have peace "

[versed ether]

Hamas should release the hostage and the bombs stop

[vernal spade]

what about Palestinian

[versed ether]

Both sites will have pease

[vernal spade]

first of all Israel should release our 7000 hostage

all of the 7000 have families dreams and life the same as to the hostage with Hamas they are a human also

[versed ether]

You are Palestinian ?

[vernal spade]

I am

[versed ether]

May i dm later?

[vernal spade]

why

[versed ether]

To exchange views. Do you live in Palestine?

[vernal spade]

i dont mind

[serene birch]

Best lie ever.

Of course, I do not support this situation; I hope that people do not die and are rescued.

If they were already considering the hostages, they wouldn't conduct such instense bombarments. We all know that Isreel's main goal is to build the land of Canaan. For this, it will continue to spread incressantly. Today Gaza, tomorrow the west Bank, later Lebonan, and others will expend without stopping.

[thorny steeple]

And their pm say Palestine children are children of darkness

And then deletes his tweet

So the ppl don't see their evil side

[serene birch]

Don't worry, the whole world understands now.

People believe the first thing they see because they don't know. They will learn over time as they research. Yes, the Jews should have a land, but if it is to be like this, it should not be Israel.

[thorny steeple]

Bro israeli living in us are far more supportive of Palestinian suffering than the ones living there rn

[serene birch]

Because right now, Israel is a huge threat to all the countries around.

This has turned into more of a vendatta than terorism. They are trying to take revenge by killing each other. There is no end. But the real purpose in the background is Israel's territorial expansion. By spreading this over time and terror with USA supports. Because their main purpose is other resources. And it spreads among them and provides power control.
The most important rule is never to trust any politician.

[iron terrace]

yes

[thorny steeple]

None of the things happening rn would have started if israel wasn't formed by invading the Palestine land

Now I don't know when it is going to end

All the sufferings which ppl suffer comes mostly from invasion

Another example is Tibet

[serene birch]

The cult I mentioned are perverted, They were constantly expelled from everywhere in the history. This is too sad to say, but that's history. That they might have created problems in some way wherever they go, they are constantly faced with this cruelty.. They are doing these events by distorting the subject written in the Torah and relying on a myth about the land of Canaan and the coming of the Messiah. However, Prophet Moses gave only 10 orders to 2 stone tablets.

1. You shall have no gods other than God(Elohim, Allah).
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven fake gods.
3. You shall not mention the name of God in vain.
4. You will not do any work on Saturday.
5. You shall honor your father and mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness.
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.

You shall not murder.
You shall not steal.
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Israel = jew?

🙂

[ornate siren]

Jews = Juice

JK

(Not Jews K, "Just kidding")

[serene birch]

There are many decent jews who follow these rules.

The majority of these Jews obey the rules very strictly. Orthodox Jews, I guess.

[thorny steeple]

@serene birch bro terrorist from Pakistan attacked the hotel Taj in Mumbai but we only kill their terrorist that when they enter our country
By the logic of Israel we didn't throw bombs on Pakistani civilians

[serene birch]

It's actually a lot and there's no need to get confused about religions. The 10 commandments on the tablet are sufficient for all humanity.

[thorny steeple]

Palestine don't even have an army to protect them

Like israel

[serene birch]

Because Hamas is not exactly a terrorist here. The people of Gaza there have no security other than Hamas, and no country or army in the world can protect them against Israel. That's why most of the people there support and join Hamas. They say there are approximately 50,000 Hamas militants right now. That's why Israeli government sees all the people as Hamas.

In my opinion, if Israel is not a terrorist, it is not in Hamas. If Hamas is a terrorist, the Israeli government is also a terrorist. It's that simple actually.

[thorny steeple]

True that

[serene birch]

Summary of the war and proof that it will never end. That's why they kill children.

[thorny steeple]

If Jews want safety of their childs,they must provide Palestenian's childs safety

this is very simple

[serene birch]

Turkey's state policy.

[thorny steeple]

ı couldn't understand relation between this phrase and things that I said?

[serene birch]

"If you are trying to ensure your own security, you must also consider the security of others."
It's a very nice rule.

[thorny steeple]

yes but this is not Turkey's state policy

Almostfull opposite of this

[serene birch]

🤔

I recommend you to read the book called "Speech(Nutuk)" written by Mustafa Kemal.

[thorny steeple]

ı read

ı am turkish

And I suppose Nutuk can't explain current security policies of Turkey,it has got a historical value to understand first years of republic

because of this,it has got weak relation with Turkey's security policies,looking kurdish conflict will be better

[serene birch]

Maybe I don't know exactly, but i read this quote in that book. In facet, there is another very beautiful saying " Peace at home, peace in the world" (So, first you can ensure peace in your own country and so you could ensure peace in the world.).

[thorny steeple]

yes you can interpret in this direction but dont forget this statement didn't apply to Kurds

You can read Kurs like Palestinians

[serene birch]

Is that why there are more than 20 million Kurds living in Turkey in peace?

%20 of the general population

[thorny steeple]

I am not sure about that because they are voting a kurdish nationalist and separatist party

[serene birch]

While the borders of the country were being drawn after the First World War, Mustafa Kemal constantly invited the Kurd leaders to congresses, but they did not attend any congresses.

and at that time, they had a very dispersed authoritarian system, and even they could not come together. And they are very divided. As you know, there are many organizations and unions in the Middle East today, tens of thousands of different minds.

[thorny steeple]

yes, this one is the Palestinian flag.

[thorny steeple]

yes ı agree but this knowledges can't explain this question: ıf Kurds are living with peace,why they are voting Kurdısh natıonalıst party?

[serene birch]

Didn't most of them vote for Erdogan at last time?

[thorny steeple]

no,to full opposite,they voted for canditate of opposition,he gained more votes in Diyarbakır-traditional kurdısh city-than İzmir-seculer turkısh city-

[serene birch]

Hmm, isn't the candidate of opposition party the party of mustafa kemal? Actually, the person they hated for years.

[thorny steeple]

because kurdısh natıonalıst party supported him

[serene birch]

People are really weird. As I have always argued, religion, language, traditions, they are all a story, the main purpose is the individual well-being of people. They turn to whatever will make them more comfortable.

[thorny steeple]

here comes again the pathetic narrative, I'm in shock that there are still some people who are ridiculous enough to make that claim after everything Israel has done.

[serene birch]

By the way, I need to get back to work. Thank you for the chat. Kardeşim.

[thorny steeple]

loves

[serene birch]

Be careful to stay in peace, and try not to kill each other. The world is big and limitless enough for all of us.

[versed ether]

You are so brainwashed

[thorny steeple]

no civilian are dying because Isreal is making a genocide against palestinians

[versed ether]

Genocide? You don’t know what a genozid is

[thorny steeple]

ı suppose genocide is bombing hospitals and refugee camps

[versed ether]

No it isn’t. That are warcrimes. Now google what a genocid is. Btw where are you from?

[thorny steeple]

turkey

[thorny steeple]

ı suppose when russia bombed a hospital,everyone said genocide to this and Nobody said "no"

I guess lifes of non white people is worthless than whites

[versed ether]

A genozid is what you did with the armenian

[thorny steeple]

yes ı know

ı am accepting this lol

[serene birch]

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide

[versed ether]

Turkey also bombed a hospital 2021 so you do a genozid?

[thorny steeple]

dude ı am an anarcho communist

you can estimate my opinion

[serene birch]

Okay, if Turkey did it, do it immediately and let others do it too.

Look at her defense style...

tragicomic

[serene birch]

My friend, since there are no classes in anarchy, there is no group called anarcho communist.

[thorny steeple]

no

[serene birch]

Anarchy is just anarchy. There cannot even be a term called anarchist.

[thorny steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

[serene birch]

My profile picture represent Anarchy symbol.

I'm in love with anarchy political view.

No, there are many things written this is correct, but I told you the basic essence of anarchy.

[thorny steeple]

you can consider like this

"real anarchy is absolute anarchy or non adjective anarchy" okay but ı am dısagree

and ı am a anarcho syndicalist communist

[versed ether]

I already said that bombing a hospital is a warcrime, but it’s no genozid

[serene birch]

I want to talk about. How can a view that does not accept any group, form or class divide into classes? does it make sense?

[serene birch]

Israel is currently committing all the accepted articles of genocide.

[thorny steeple]

bombing hospital of ısreal is a part of general demographic plan

ısreal is trying to remove arap people (this can be with deportation this can be with killing) since 1948

[serene birch]

Deporting a group of people to another place, depriving them of their basic rights (such as water, food, shelter), killing them.

[thorny steeple]

this is a very long discussion we can talk this in anıther time

[serene birch]

Creating fear and pressure. They give them nicknames (children of darkness, they are not humans, they are animals).

[versed ether]

Oh yes the 75 years of genozid

You don’t get my points guys.

[serene birch]

You want to defend your country, which is something all people generally do, but the facts can never be ignored.

[versed ether]

I am against war crimes. I am against dead civilians. Doesn’t matter if they are Muslim jewish or christian. But we have to learn together in peace.

[serene birch]

Bombing a schools and hospitals is unacceptable....

They shooting everything that moves. last 100 years

I know the 5000 years of history there.

[versed ether]

When we can’t accept each other the conflict will continue for years

[thorny steeple]

Lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day

[serene birch]

I support Jews having a land, but not like this.

[versed ether]

You forgot that you attacked us before

[serene birch]

yeah unfortunately...

[versed ether]

Thanks

[versed ether]

I hate Netanyahu and his government

[serene birch]

When the Jews came again 2,000-2.500 years ago to canaan land, they made the biggest mistake by declaring war on the Palestinians and dividing them into two kingdom..

[versed ether]

Why are we talking then who is evil? Shouldn’t we better talk about what we have to change?

[thorny steeple]

İt is increasing because they are making childs,average old is 18 in Gazza

[serene birch]

And after the Romans then captured them from there.

[thorny steeple]

They attacked us so we can make ethnic cleaning lol

[versed ether]

The most was refugees but ok

[serene birch]

The problem is that the Jews were never fully united and caused problems wherever they went.

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/B5SiGCIVyQc?si=oRoJMxkEpY-K92fx

[versed ether]

But we are not the only reason, hamas is also a big part of this problem

[serene birch]

I ask you to read its entire history of sion people from many sources.

[versed ether]

I can also send you arabica that are proud of warcrimes. This bad people exist every where

[serene birch]

Just imagine that they cut off all electricity and communications at night and bombed the city with planes and unmanned aerial vehicles. Explosions and screams are heard everywhere.

Israel has been doing this more than 50 years.

[thorny steeple]

Yes we know this,there is nobody who support or praise HAMAS

Bir this violence iş result of zionist apartheid

[thorny steeple]

Yes i know but War crimes of isreal is a part of de arabization policies

They are not personal choice,they are not personal mistakes or baddness,they are state policies

[serene birch]

By the way, no one has any anti-Semitism. And as a Muslim, I was ordered to believe in the prophet Moses, which somehow makes me a Jew. @versed ether If only the Jews understood this, the whole problem would be solved.

[onyx hatch]

hello, i have a question if anyone is willing to help me, would anyone be so kind to check my descriptive writing? im unsure if it has turned into a narrative

[ornate siren]

#📝｜proofreading is the channel for you.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3by9FoEFB8

this was released 9 years ago

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper light

[formal scaffold]

Hey there

what do you think about smoking regular cigarettes ?

[thorny steeple]

Is this place for people who dont like voice conversations?

[frail wolf]

.

[graceful dagger]

how do I know if quite was used in the meaning totally or a bit/little?

This program is quite superior to its analogies

[short epoch]

A friend of mine says, learn English as English. Never learn a foreign language with your native language or an auxiliary language. learn english in english. Try to understand the English movie in English with English subtitles. So what happens if there are words I don't understand in any text or book? Can someone explain this method to me?

[ornate siren]

You can look them up in the dictionary or on the internet.