Polls

[novel portal]

In like 10,000 years ifnwill be big enough to see

[potent eagle]

crab nebula is like 1000 years old lol

after 3 years it would be 6.5 arcseconds in size (approximately)

[velvet python]

that's not very big, but honestly larger than I'd expect it to be after only three years

[pallid garden]

I do mostly visual astro, and I find star hopping rlly hard. But I feel if I had seen the star previously in my lifetime it would be easier.

[velvet python]

Do you not get the Orion Constellation in your night skies?

[pallid garden]

I do

[pallid garden]

What does that have to do with it?

[velvet python]

The way you worded it just made it seem like you've never seen the Orion Constellation, and colloquially, the star Betelgeuse

[pallid garden]

Oh I see, but ik exactly where Betelgeuse is, so if it was gone I think I would still be able to see it in my mind and easily find the nebula.

(Just because there is Slowmode)

You said earlier that since Betelgeuse is near the end of its life, it is important for science and stuff. But I feel like a nearby supernova would allow us to learn so much more.

[bitter spade]

It's such a shattering thought that stars disappear in our lifetime. You're so right

[velvet python]

Right? And Betelgeuse is one of my favorite stars in the night sky too, I'd be sad to see it go.

[tired island]

but it would be replaced with a bright nebula

[bitter spade]

At least it'll shine REAL bright for some days

[jovial quest]

A reminder of our mortality. Mountains erode and even stars fade away.

[potent eagle]

*a year

[tired island]

how bright would it be after a year

[potent eagle]

i think like -3 or so

[runic dove]

Will Beetlegeuse go super nova the n the year 2054? A super nova happened in 1054 that created the crab nebula.

[lunar cipher]

nobody knows when it could have already happened but the light didnt reach us

[runic dove]

I think the super nova already happened and the light yet still is going to reach us.

[primal kite]

starfront has sketchy management

[novel portal]

Where's clipping the background

[primal kite]

only r/ap knows the context

[primal kite]

should be multiple choice since i do a combination of DBE and grax

[spare cape]

Black Reflection Compositing

[wind fiber]

True pain

[latent vapor]

GradientCorrection is pretty cool, pretty simple and gives you pretty good results

[latent vapor]

i like msgr too

[sleek inlet]

siril backgorund extraction

[spare cape]

That falls under a dbe

[bitter spade]

same

[lucid vessel]

yes smae

[bitter spade]

it's easier to place/delete samples in siril than Pix

[velvet python]

Everyone always forgets about Barred Lenticular Galaxies

[lucid vessel]

Mine is better

[dire grotto]

what does this mean

[lucid vessel]

My obs is better

[latent vapor]

Holy, where did you get that from

[lucid vessel]

Asstrobin marketplace got me the dome

[dire grotto]

chad

[dire grotto]

hey, my focal length fits in that range

[lunar cipher]

W

[grave totem]

lenticular is jus elliptical with a lower framerate

[velvet python]

Ehh, perhaps. But they take on much more interesting shapes than Elliptical galaxies, some can have faint spirals, some are barred, and others can have big swathes of dust around their core

[potent eagle]

didnt this get asked like a week ago

[grave totem]

idk but I didn't check so it didn't happen 🙃

[bitter spade]

this is no fair 😭

[novel portal]

Im dying for one but so expensive

[lucid vessel]

I just found out that im in b1 and it makes it even less fair

[tropic pendant]

wait what thats epic awesome sauce

[bitter spade]

Get a lot of hours on one target if you can

[tropic pendant]

beat bray falls

[lucid vessel]

NGC 2403 is my target for now. And i will def beat fray balls

[bitter spade]

great choice

[lucid vessel]

So far it looks like this, less than 30min exposure

[bitter spade]

RGB align that bad boy when you're done

[lucid vessel]

M33s little brother. I will take some flats and darks for this...

[tropic pendant]

you are the hero that will get us out of the dark ages of paint brushes

[shut atlas]

Damn it literally looks like m33

[lucid vessel]

I sure will

[latent vapor]

dont you have a cam with 1.45um pixel size

[lucid vessel]

1.45um indeed. Im happy with it. I dont want to change it any time soon. The oversampling is not that bad

[latent vapor]

but you could get way more signal with a cam with bigger pixels (from what I've heard) I really hate slow mode

[lucid vessel]

I can, but i dont want to. Im in b1 and got a 10in f/4 newt. Enough signal for me

And, i dont want to spend any more money...

I can bin, but that will kinda destroy my data. Just downsample in pix

[latent vapor]

I mean you could go for a uranus c, not that expensive...

I just think that you get wayyy more out of that 10in F/4 Newt & Bortle 1 Sky

[lucid vessel]

someday... i target the smaller galaxies and PN's. A larger FOV wont benefit me. And i dont want a new camera so far. But you are trying to help, and i respect that. Thanks

[latent vapor]

(Side note: You can always drizzle)

[lucid vessel]

Yeah

[latent vapor]

Btw: I guess you looked your mag/arc sec² up on light pollution map? I looked it up for me and it says that this brightness is only the brightness of the sky in zenith, hence, doesn't mean that you are in that bortle zone. (I'm in a sure B3 and it tells me that the brightness is 21.87 mag/arc sec²)

From what I can tell off the screenshot, you are probably B3

[dire grotto]

siril, photoshop, and the various planetary softwares

[lunar cipher]

Mainly but I shouldn’t have added photoshop ngl

[tropic pendant]

add a dss option for @potent eagle (ik you are a changed man now. good job)

[lunar cipher]

💀

[pallid garden]

Adobe Lightroom mobile💀💀💀

[lunar cipher]

Oh I love the bge and PCC in there

[pallid garden]

(you're telescope now)

[potent eagle]

no gimp, 1984

[halcyon kettle]

1985

[potent eagle]

yippee!!

[runic dove]

People just don't care about my poll.

[lucid vessel]

:no:

[delicate pier]

I made this go for 2 weeks 💀💀💀

[lunar cipher]

I do use gimp tho I meant mainly

[tired island]

can you stop making your polls go for a month and then telling people to vote on it every day

[runic dove]

It looks like a parody of my poll, great job.

[novel portal]

Well it isn't really an original question

[primal kite]

My parents praise my doing astro

[dire grotto]

Maksutov Newtonian, they seem very cool

[velvet python]

Ritchey Chretien CDK telescopes. The absolute better-than-best-of-the-best, unbridled top of the line telescopes in the market, period. Unbelievably good optical quality, insanely sharp for imaging and visual. The undisputed kings of amateur available telescopes. The only downside is their enormous price tag, iirc the CDK-1000 (Ritchey Cretien telescope with a 1000mm aperture) costs $500,000.00 to buy, and even then you'd need a whole ass observatory for it and you'd also need to (ideally) live somewhere in a low bortle for maximum quality.

[tropic pendant]

bro 87 votes😭

[dire grotto]

yeah but unless you’re a multi millionaire, you’re never gonna use one

[velvet python]

Ah well, they asked for the best telescope type, not the most affordable

[dire grotto]

imo affordability would be considered when talking about the “best”

cuz the actual best telescope is on a mountain somewhere or in orbit rn

[dire grotto]

only 1 refractor vote?!?!??

[velvet python]

Wait what

but a good refractor is so nice, that's odd it'd have so little votes

[serene slate]

Find me a good 24" refractor that I can do planetary with for $500, and it'll have my vote.

[tired island]

you empty your bank account to get 2 millimeters of focal length

[delicate pier]

I love my refractor, but it costed me $400 and is only 72mm.

[primal kite]

13 days left.

[velvet python]

I think it fits the budget

[delicate pier]

Holy shit, it’s majestic.

[novel portal]

Money wise, yes, coolness wise, no

[jovial quest]

I always say that I like photography cause I don't know how to draw

[lunar cipher]

Real

[lunar cipher]

Dude, it’s normal how much people vote on it this isn’t a forum everyone in the server is in

[gleaming totem]

There's a reason most astronomers switched to reflectors some 200 years ago

[spice storm]

hahahaha

[jovial quest]

Pluto was discovered with a refractor tho. Are there any space refractor telescopes? I think TESS uses lenses.

[pallid garden]

Everybody who picked newt is fair. But every single one of us wants a c14

[lucid vessel]

hell no

[cyan dove]

man I already hate carrying around an 8" newt, let alone a c14

[lucid vessel]

10in quattro my beloved, im not abandoning her

[pallid garden]

But it's a c14

[rotund prawn]

how many kg

[cyan dove]

like 11kg

[rotund prawn]

kk

[sleek escarp]

Research indicates that a typical, “healthy” frequency of bowel movements might range from three times a day to three times a week. But your normal pattern might be different.

[spice storm]

great

don't be shy and vote

[potent eagle]

is this daily? monthly?

[spice storm]

daily

[grave totem]

three times a DAY?
ain't that like diarrhoea

[tired island]

yearly

[spice storm]

since I started taking alot more protein, I started shitting and farting ALOT more

this just doesn't sound healthy

[primal kite]

this is going to be an interesting thread now.
in b4 the 🔒

[spice storm]

this ain't my fault

[spice storm]

Prob a png

[gleaming totem]

Yes (you can see jpeg artifacts on the text)

[serene slate]

Huh. An advantage to Light mode.

[potent eagle]

and not using mobile

[tired island]

nitro background makes it just a bit obvious

[grave totem]

I find it normal
tried more fibre but that just created diarrhoea

[dire grotto]

focal length isn’t everything

but yeah newts are economical until you include all the time, frustration, and upgrade expenses

[rotund prawn]

uh, i dont think thats very "normal"

[shut atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-car-explode-cat-boom-bah-gif-5387928273689188008 Me when I don't poop 86 quadrillion times a day

[onyx gust]

you should shoot the earth

[cyan dove]

I want an actual answer

[onyx gust]

shoot a black hole

[cyan dove]

this is a 250mm kitlens bruh

[onyx gust]

try horsehead 👍 '

[halcyon kettle]

shoot your cat

[cyan dove]

my dog died a couple months ago

[cyan dove]

my cat is invincible

[lunar cipher]

So what?

[gleaming totem]

I'm in the northern hemisphere but I still prefer the look of Carina, there are just more unique angles and shots you can take.

[lunar cipher]

Same I prefer carina

[novel portal]

I'd prefer vela over Carina

[lunar cipher]

Too bad it’s not in the poll

[runic dove]

Is the Orion constellation an equatorial constellation?

[lunar cipher]

Nope, it’s an alt az

[gleaming totem]

You mean that it's visible on both hemispheres?

[novel portal]

L poll

[runic dove]

Yes

[gleaming totem]

I'm not sure but I think it's visible on both hemispheres at least in the correct times of the year.

[lunar cipher]

It is visible in both yes

[potent mango]

goooooooon

[lunar cipher]

Uh

[dire grotto]

they’re the same for dso imaging purposes

but i’ll choose western cuz they get full titan transits

for now at least

[runic dove]

7 days left

[dire grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-faint-muppet-sesame-street-falling-gif-17776653

[primal kite]

Marc has been banned from #1230216213901082744.

[runic dove]

noooo

[tired island]

dude just stop, you don't need to keep announcing your poll every day

Notice how nobody else is doing that?

[dire grotto]

he knows lol

[potent eagle]

as the creator of polls you are banned

[lucid vessel]

La Goon nebula

[delicate pier]

That’s the wrong emoji, meant to 👍

[spare cape]

Coal

[arctic trail]

N

[dire grotto]

obody thinks you’re funny

[gleaming totem]

I

[arctic trail]

Race car driver?

[gleaming totem]

nah mod tickler

[arctic trail]

I just typed a random letter

[gleaming totem]

umm... well this is akward

[potent eagle]

dammit

[gleaming totem]

The problem with this poll is that you can answer "bad" if it actually is bad AND is not controversial

In any other case - good is the only option... and this is one of them

[velvet python]

What is rule 11?

[gleaming totem]

#rules-and-community-guidance

[velvet python]

Ah ok

Yeah that makes sense, that's reasonable I think (unlike this chat cooldown timer )

[gleaming totem]

fr

[dire grotto]

relatively cheap, thats literally the only reason

[novel portal]

where favorite star in Vela gotta be Suhail

[primal kite]

we love suhail

[halcyon kettle]

Regor (γ) for me; its the only star I've seen in Vela because Argo-Navis being low in the horizon + doodoo amounts of light pollution = only being able to see its stars from my telescope

[gleaming totem]

While they can be cheap and great value, if you do actually spend a considerable amount of money, similar to a good refractor, you’ll actually realize that compared to refractors there are really only two differences (because collimation becomes very easy)
Disadvantages:
newt - only covers up to APS-C sensors
Refractor - either slow or not as high of a resolution (focal length)
Advantages:
newt - can be super fast, up to f/3, or around f/5 if you want to go high focal length and resolution, while still being (relative to high focal length refractors) quite fast
Refractors - up to full frame coverage (or sometimes more)

It’s not that refractors are bad or newts are bad - it depends on your use case, budget and your requirements. If you’re going for focal length and/or speed, no matter the budget, newts or in some cases RCs or Schmitt-Cassegrains are going to be the way. If you want a more widefield image or a setup that’s lighter and more portable - refractors

[gleaming totem]

Reflectors in general are also better as a visual telescope (you looking through an eyepiece)

[dire grotto]

i know, i own a newt

[dire grotto]

SCTs are not the way

[lucid vessel]

Nonono, newts are better than fracs for many reasons. Like the furious banana stated

[dire grotto]

disagree except for planetary

[lucid vessel]

Isn't aperture key for planetary?

[dire grotto]

i literally just said “except for planetary”

[lucid vessel]

I just want to find out why.
fracs could cost you a kidney. For the same 6in you pay a few grand, while a newt will cost you a few hundred bucks at max.

[dire grotto]

Bro, do you have any reading comprehension? a couple messages ago I gave my reasoning for owning a newt: “they’re relatively cheap”. I know newts are objectively worse than fracs, and I just expressed that. I also know they’re the only real option for amateur planetary imaging, so I also stated that.

In general they take more time to get working, because you have to collimate it precisely with consumer tools, flock it, apply various somewhat difficult modifications depending on the model, etc.

You also have star spikes which are an unwanted aberration for a lot of people.

[lucid vessel]

Fine, being curious is not a thing anymore, i can't even ask why
And, i just came here, wanted to ask a question, i am not going to read the entire forum just to ask a simple question

This server has gone downhill

[dire grotto]

You replied to the message where I said why I own a newt? You had literally all the context.

[dire grotto]

This server has always been shit.

It’s not a big deal, we’re both just annoyed at each other.

[lucid vessel]

Thank you, now.
Yes, collimation is a big issue with these things, Not very beginner friendly, but im not saying that everyone should get em.
Star spikes, most people like them, the largest issue is the modding side of things, most store sold newtonians need to be completely redone to make them good, just like you stated.
Refractors are not as sharp, and they are very expensive.
Agreed, this server wasn't ever good.
You seem like a chill guy tho

[dire grotto]

A good frac is sharp (esprit) But yeah most are garbage I’d say.

[lucid vessel]

Skywatcher quattros are a pain, just going to say that for now

[dire grotto]

Probably true for newts too, only really skywatcher and GSO optics are in contention.

[dire grotto]

Mirror and Corrector wise they’re great, you do have to throw out literally everything else though.

[lucid vessel]

Indeed

[dire grotto]

The Newt of Theseus

[lucid vessel]

I desperately need a 3d printer to mod my quattro, the secondary mirror cell and spider is getting very annoying, i will also need an aperture mask

[dire grotto]

Tempted to @ a mod to remove this dumbass slow mode

[latent vapor]

@signal pelican

[lucid vessel]

its terrible 😭

[dire grotto]

Please keep the shit posting polling thread on topic! ☝️ 🤓 Also in this conversation we were being entirely "on topic"???, we literally just talked about Newts and Fracs. But do you really expect real human beings to instead of using the in-built reply feature, to go into private messages to discuss a public poll??

You Americans sure do love your dumbass rules.

When the truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie.

[lucid vessel]

What the hell did i come back to

[dire grotto]

This guy wanted us to go into the dms instead of using the in-built reply feauture.

You don't know what that quote means?

I'm just miffed cuz I think you're being utterly cringe in my view. I had you blocked for being young before, and I think I'll add you back to the blocked list

I just do not understand how a human can care so much about staying on topic in a general purpose polling thread for a discord server.

This aint private messages my guy.

[signal pelican]

If someone tells you they're no longer interested in discussing something, please respect their wishes, thank you.

[dire grotto]

I didn't even ping them, they checked back to see if someone said anything. End of discussion.

[halcyon kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738355318383312919/1313137071229112380/image0.gif

[agile path]

sorry haven't seen, guys chill now?

is there a rule that prohibits it?

I am not saying that the attitude of said person was good behaviour

cuz it wasn't

well, it backfired

[dire grotto]

I should have said “have a nice day “

I think I’ll leave this server anyways, I did so a lot of times in the past, only sticking around cuz of these roles lol. Because it’s incredibly immature (expected since it seems to be 50% 13 year olds), the images aren’t that great, there’s a lot more cringe astro takes, and I don’t even watch AstroBiscuit. I’ll stick to r/ap.

Oh no that rant was off topic.

[potent eagle]

based

[latent vapor]

Let‘s make polls polls again tho 😭, we should delete our messages

@agile path can you help cleaning up here

[latent vapor]

@cyan dove

[cyan dove]

are we good now?

[latent vapor]

That‘s good now

[cyan dove]

no I mean are we good 🙂

[primal kite]

@lunar cipher this is why

and yes - whos shitty stupid idea was it to put a 1 minute slow mode in A TEXT CHANNEL???

[runic dove]

If I can't think of anything new poll ideas, I will have to pause.

[potent eagle]

yippee!

[primal kite]

[potent eagle]

oh is the slowmode gone?

no my discord wasnt displaying it

[spare cape]

Ya just had to specifically state “the images arent that great” for one of your reasons of leaving lmao.

[full gulch]

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