Dwarf 2 Chat n Post

[rain summit]

And its with all images

And plus how da hell do i apply darks to these?

[umbral quest]

is anyone in the uk who needs a bahtinov for the dwarf 2? i need to test my 3d printed ones out before I sell them on ebay and i don't have one so

[rain summit]

wait a dwarf can use a bahtinov mask

[umbral quest]

it appears so

[rain summit]

How are there barely hot pixels while mine gets hundreds of them?

[rare kayak]

darks

[rain summit]

Any way applying them? I am a complete newbie in proccesing and post proccesing

[rare kayak]

Yeah sure. Well. Firstly
https://help.dwarflab.com/en-US/how-to-photograph-the-astro-dark-205430

But but, I take darks like I take astro images

so the darks in the links -> work for live stacking
darks that I take - processing later on

darks that I take:
you have to have the same gain that you used for imaging

[rain summit]

If i use gain 40 for imaging i use gain 40 for darks like that?

[rare kayak]

you just do the same that the they propose (put it in bag, somewhere real dark) and then you take them like an astroimage but without any tracking, ok?

yes

[rain summit]

Yeah i did that

[rare kayak]

If you image with gain 30, take 20-30 darks with gain 30, and so on

[rain summit]

How do i apply them or does the dwarf do it by itself?

[rare kayak]

so the darks in the link -> work for live stacking
darks that I take - processing later on

I think Cuiv also hjas a tutorial for darks hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJmdNyEKf0

here ya go

[rain summit]

I do these before my astroimaging or right after it didnt say?

[rare kayak]

The automatic astrodarks you do before

but then also take 20 to 30 darks afterwards or before (for post processing)

[rain summit]

Ok thanks a lot i hope its clear tonight and plus i am going to the bortle 3 site

[rare kayak]

Understand that you post process NOT the Dwarf stack (Dwarf stack is only kinda a raw quick n dirty stack, and so that you can enjoy the live view)
The post process is like: copy every single sub/frame onto PC, copy those 20 to 30 darks you took to PC and then you post process them with Siril.

You can also take like 50 to 100 bias frames as well - would recommend

[rain summit]

Will flats be required to improve the image?

[rare kayak]

Bias = like darks but fastest exposure possible; so take them as well before you take darks (will only take some seconds)

[rare kayak]

yeah they will but so far I have not been using flats as well - it's a bit more tricky to get them right, and you would need histogramm for them (iphone dwarf app still has no histogramm lmao)

So for Dwarf it's a bit ok to go without flats - especially for starters -> try to have some fun and do step by step thingies

[rain summit]

I mean like how did the dwarf actually complete callibration from my bortle 7 balcony

[rare kayak]

The calibration and the platesolving are amazing, imo

[rain summit]

Yeah

It found NGC 6960 and The Dumbell nebula no sweat

[rare kayak]

It's a main reason that actually sold the Dwarf to me ...

[rain summit]

From my balcony

And the handbag is perfect

[rare kayak]

yeah - love the form factor of Dwarf - is not bigger than a DSLR - you can take it just everywhere along

[rain summit]

But everyhing comes at a cost ...

[rare kayak]

I might do some hiking in September - in the Alps - Dwarf comes with me

[rain summit]

I will go to poland soon so my uhc filter will be even more used

[rare kayak]

Imho for that kind of money, there is nothing out there that gives you a faster start into Astrophotography

[rain summit]

The hot pixels the noise

All that kind of stuff

[rare kayak]

The hot pixels will be away when you take darks. The noise will get less the more subs you take

[rain summit]

How about today i go full imaging mode cause i better use that bortle 3 real good

[rare kayak]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5949859

[rare kayak]

make sure you search some tutorials for Dwarf II in Youtube

there are some more out there

And I wish you clear skies my friend

[rain summit]

Thanks !

[rare kayak]

would focus on taking images first - and try to focus on maybe just one or two targets

[rain summit]

Auto focus does it job well but not always

[rare kayak]

yeah - autofocus needs a very bright star. And still is somewhat quirky.

Actually I am about to print that Bahtinov this weekend

[rain summit]

Yeah yesterday was a clear night and it did kinda fail to autofocus on a star

I got a ton of images that night!

Some of these are

[rare kayak]

ye da autofocus is somewhat quirky

[rain summit]

What do ya think of my images?

I think their pretty cool

[rare kayak]

they are 😄

for some targets you need more time with more frames though

to turn down noise and raise signal

[rain summit]

Yeah i really need more exposure on north america and veil to get more detail

[rare kayak]

ye just take your time then 🙂

[rain summit]

Sure i wont stop getting images every clear night to get as much images as possible

[rain summit]

Whoever can image and has a Dwarf 2 you can join the #1135248351252713485

[rain summit]

My images i took yesterday the east veil is 250X5s and Andromeda was i think 100X5s triangulum galaxy 100X5s and dumbell 100X5s

[woeful comet]

My first attempt at Andromeda with dwarf2.

[rain summit]

Good job

[woeful comet]

Thanks

[rain summit]

EQ mode doing a big improvement but my integration was too short... "500X5s"

[mint hull]

Hey guys, about to buy a dwarf 2, is deluxe worth it?

[rain summit]

depends

are youdoing solar?

[mint hull]

Maybe

[plucky berry]

I think it is worth it u use the solar filter alot and extra batteries for when im out end about

[mint hull]

Okay

And is it still decent for dsos in bortle 8-9?

[plucky berry]

Im at bortle 7 end its good

[mint hull]

Just bought it last night, can’t wait!

[rare kayak]

Did you get the deluxe or normal?

[mint hull]

Deluxe

[mint hull]

I’m legit so hyped

[plucky berry]

shooting M31 now XD

[rain summit]

Dont forget the 999X will def use a lot of your storage

And the 15 seconds too

[rain summit]

After some time with your dwarf when you learn how to use it properly think of going eq "buying a photo tripod " to incline the dwarf to function as a equatorial mount. It does a huge improvement

You will just need to polar align it

[plucky berry]

Yes thats the next step

[mint hull]

How long did it take to ship for y’all? I’m in the us so it says 2-5 days but is that accurate?

[rain summit]

For me it took 2 days to ship

I live in lithuania and they shipped from poland

“My country borders poland”

[rare kayak]

I ordered from China when it was not out yet. Then they had a faulty batch of filters and hold up them Dwarfs. So it took 6 months

[mint hull]

That’s rough

[plucky berry]

Mine took 4days to get here

[rare kayak]

was really hyped then not hyped then hyped again cuz it took so long

[rain summit]

Sup guys

I am doing veil “again” i wanna do more integration cause my last photos had too short integration times

Western side btw

[round marsh]

and For giggles last night i did M31 with my dwarf 2

[mint hull]

It’s arriving tomorrow!

[rain summit]

[flat kettle]

Lagoon nebula processed in siril

[rain summit]

What integration and how long are the exposures? Was the UHC filter used ?

I just wanna know

[flat kettle]

2s exposures, no filter was used, I did some processing in siril just stretching the image and fixing some stars.

[rain summit]

Use the UHC if you got one and select the UV/IR as CUT this will show more nebula

[flat kettle]

Alright thanks, I had it set on pass I will take this into account.

[rain summit]

No problem man!

[fresh rapids]

should i sell my 6' telescope to get this?

though im in a bortle 8-9 zone

im not sure if its going to be worth it or not

I saw a video about it and was amazed

[rare kayak]

what 6" scope do you have

[fresh rapids]

Orion starblast 6

[rare kayak]

oh is a Dobbo?

hmm I would not tell you to sell it in exchange for smart scope - starblast seems to be a good scope - but if you feel that urge to get images done so damn hard it could be worth a consideration
it's your decision though

[fresh rapids]

Yup

[rare kayak]

dunno how old you are but you always can drop some hints to parents and friends for bday or xmas

[fresh rapids]

Haha I'm 16 this year

[glad spruce]

This scope is my nemesis unacceptable

[rain summit]

You wont say that to my stellarium controlled alt az goto 6 inch newtonian f4/5

[glad spruce]

But this one does it all for you

[rain summit]

yes

wait hol.up

[rain summit]

My newt or my dwarf?

[glad spruce]

Dwarf

At least with the newt you gotta align and stuff

And actually shoot

[rain summit]

The dwarf cant do planetary

[glad spruce]

Still

It’s my nemesis

[rain summit]

But it can do THIS

[glad spruce]

That’s the issue

Also why u put your name in the corner 💀 you didn’t do any work with it

[rain summit]

I edited it

[glad spruce]

That takes 10 seconds

[rain summit]

EAA is practicly the same

[glad spruce]

EAA?

What is that

[rain summit]

Electronicly assisted astronomy

[glad spruce]

Assisted not automatic

You still have to polar align and be mostly present

[rain summit]

You need to polar align the dwarf when using the EQ mode to get good results

[glad spruce]

Ok fine you win

Just know I’m hammering every dwarf 3 in a 100 mile radius when it releases

[rain summit]

@rare kayak we need to team up to defend the dwarf 3's

[glad spruce]

The war has begun

I just know the dwarf 3 will cause the singularity

[rain summit]

What will the stellarium controlled newtons do

[glad spruce]

Skynet

AUGUST 12 2036 the heat death of the universe

[rain summit]

AUGUST 12 2036 the heat death of the universe

[rare kayak]

lol

[fresh rapids]

What is a smart scope?,

[mint hull]

Dwarf 2 or other eaa scopes

[rare kayak]

smart scope is like all in one scope controlled by smart phone or whatnot

[fresh rapids]

oh do you have recommendations?

[rare kayak]

well the dwarf II would be one of them

you can have a look at Vaonis Stellina or Vespera, you can have a look at ZWO Seestar50, and then there is Unistellar eQuinox

[fresh rapids]

but ina high bortle area

can I really image something decent?

and furthermore my latitude is 1

somewhere

here

i heard it might be abit difficult to calibrate the tracker

[mint hull]

I’m in bortle 8-9 and its good

[fresh rapids]

got any pics?

[rain summit]

Im in bortle 3

[rare kayak]

could be dunno man

write to dwarf lab

ask them

[flat kettle]

I have a 6” dob and the dwarf 2, I have been using the dwarf for deep sky and my dob for planets, but the ZWO seestar is apparently better for the price, but less portable. If you already have a dslr camera I would recommend you just get a mount for it and use that, if you do not have a dslr I would recommend the dwarf 2, or the ZWO seestar but it totally depends on your current situation and what you need with a telescope.

[fresh rapids]

i do have a dslr but its my dad and he seems hesitant to lend me it now

i might just trade my 6' for thw zwo seestar since it also has a built in light pollution filter

or should i just sell the 6' scope

where was all these all-in-one scope when i first got into astronomy 😦

cus i won $500 from my school in some scholarship and i bought my first scope with it but eventually got into imaging the deep sky more

[flat kettle]

Just know that smart telescopes as of now are not “all in one” they can do most everything you would want, but not as well as a rig for dso, or planetary, or visual. The ZWO seestar is good for the price and so is the dwarf 2 they are just different telescopes for different purposes, although the seestar can be transported fairly easily the dwarf 2 is just a pick up and go telescope. It sounds like you are leaning towards the ZWO seestar and I have heard good things about that telescope so if your current telescope is not working for you I would recommend you sell the dob and get it, just be aware neither one of the telescopes can see planets with much detail at all.

[fresh rapids]

Well I think I'm tired of looking at the moon for a long time now through the scope

And I live on the 8th floor and I usually need help with moving it which my parents find abit of a hassle

Since it's huge and heavy I got it for a steal actually $300 for the whole 6" scope with all the eyepieces

I'm selling it for 500 rn

[flat kettle]

Thats fantastic, I hope your new telescope works good in your situation.

[fresh rapids]

I'll be planning on getting the zwo seestar

[rain summit]

yay

[blissful canyon]

32 mins with my seestar (w/ LP filter) under b7/8 skies, compared to 10s of lum with my Tak under b2/3 skies

[glad spruce]

Wrong channel but

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-popping-surprised-wow-popping-eyes-crush-gif-18120881

[blissful canyon]

oh there is a different channel for it, oops!

[rain summit]

What object is that

[flat kettle]

Haha, but it looks good 👍.

[blissful canyon]

IC 63 - The Ghost of Cassiopeia

[rain summit]

Faint I see.

[rain summit]

hold on... isnt it like mag 13?

or thats the wrong one

[blissful canyon]

apparently they are mag 10 from one source, simbad is saying mag 13 in blue?
i honestly dont know xD. i think magnitude is a little hard for nebulae as their brightness is variable across their size

but yeah - its one of the fainter "bright" nebulae

[rain summit]

Yea

[rain summit]

I mean the veil is mag 7 but its pretty bright tbh

[blissful canyon]

little bit of denoising & you can see a bit more of the structure starting to appear (10hrs with my older rig for comparison)

[flat kettle]

This is 1 minute of data of the Orion nebula, I did this as the sun was rising and I did not use any filters.

[rain summit]

I got some nice pics yesterday night with the uhc filter on

[flat kettle]

looks good, I do reccomend just focusing on one target a night so you can get the most data.

[rain summit]

sure

i love my dwarf 2 man i learned a few ways if imaging with it and its amazing

[rain summit]

Here is a few more images from yesterday

[rare kayak]

Orion 👉

[rain summit]

A bit unfocused orion

[glad spruce]

Buddy you might wanna try out flats

[rare kayak]

is that dwarf? how do you take your flats? Anyways I have to wait for update - I even aint got histogramm on iphone 😄

[glad spruce]

Not mine

Eq mountless

[rain summit]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DxON1XXXOb8?si=yd3ZAKexEWw_DDAY

Hell Yeah guys!

Finally they will add a new database!

[flat kettle]

Now I don’t need to enter in everything manually anymore.

[rain summit]

I can finally have a bit more freedom on nebula targets. I really wanted to image the california nebula but putting those coordinates is just annoying

[rare kayak]

ye waiting for that update

[rain summit]

Flats? Naww. I don't even know how to stack and process deep space

[glad spruce]

Tell dwarf 2 to add that as a feature

A little calibration package

[rain summit]

Lol

[glad spruce]

I mean it’s a great idea

[rain summit]

Agree

[glad spruce]

Make a little thing with a dust cap and a white screen to go over it

[rain summit]

I can't wait for the update

[rain summit]

I gave a another go at pleiades and it went smoothly

[rain summit]

I zoomed in and just realized I am unfocused

[rare kayak]

mine too not the best here

but it could also be a matter of a filter - I only used the stock IR cut

I want the update to be released man - I need histogramm ... lol

[rain summit]

Same I used the stock ir/uv cut

[rare kayak]

I wanna do flats as well but so far - without histo it's hard to do...

Also at gain30 I have this banding, you see?

vertically and horizontally - I did Andromeda with 40 and Triangulum with 40 and banding is less.

[rain summit]

I don't really see banding

Oh I see it now

Have you tried the California nebula? I want to try it but something just tells me that it's too faint while it's mag 4

[rare kayak]

No not yet

[rare kayak]

a bit clipped but nvm

Funny how we got the same fov lol

[rain summit]

Nice

[flat kettle]

Pinwheel galaxy, cropped to get rid of image artifacts.

[mint hull]

Best telescope

[glad spruce]

NO WAY

[glad spruce]

Bad focus

[stark forge]

Looks out of focus.

[rare kayak]

no it's not the focus

[rare kayak]

no it's not the focus

[glad spruce]

What is it then

Astigmatism

?

[rare kayak]

I think it was bad seeing + using only the internal IR cut - autofocus was working

ok but I admit it looks out of focus, true 😄

[rustic dirge]

definitely out of focus

there is a very clear difference between bad seeing and out of focus

the autofocus must've failed

[rare kayak]

hmm then I dunno

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIUcl9HrkNf7rZXVZSkrw9w

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9I8U-Mgc-Q

[plucky berry]

looks good cant w8 to try it out

[plucky berry]

beta test end of this month

[round marsh]

I got invited into the Beta Tonight 😉 its not the new app yet but it has a good chunk of the features they are including like the advanced pixel removal and the solar tracking plus the full res mode.... only problem is its cloudy AF still 😦

ill be sure to share any decent pictures i get in here

[rare kayak]

I just wait till it's done. But what did you do to get access?

[rain summit]

How to get the beta access?

[rare kayak]

You gotta kill a mountain lion

the fur will be the ticket

you can keep the head and make a nice helmet overlay with it

man I should have become author

[rain summit]

lmao

[rare kayak]

I mean in this vast world that we call: world - what else is there to do than become author?

[rain summit]

I'm gonna break in their servers and steal the data about the beta and copy it, publish it.

[rare kayak]

you gonna be a hero

[rain summit]

The guy soldered it. I'm not sure will it work tho.

[rare kayak]

have you tested things in daylight ?

[rain summit]

Nope

[round marsh]

I contacted them and asked

yeah, it’s amazing how well that works 😉

[rain summit]

Did you just email them?

I really want that beta 😆

[round marsh]

I contacted them through Facebook messenger

[rain summit]

Dayum

[round marsh]

To be fair they have come across my YouTube channel before.

[rain summit]

They are about to come across this

[round marsh]

Ooof

Wtf

[rain summit]

It broke 😢

[round marsh]

How? Did you throw it at a wall?

[round marsh]

That took some skill

[rain summit]

a simple 50 cm fall 💀

[rain summit]

it was a accident. my clumsy ass kicked the tripod and broke the dwarf

[round marsh]

It looks like if you’re careful, it might just go right back together but odds are it won’t be that easy

The dwarf lab people seem pretty cool, so I think if you get in touch with them, they might repair it if you send it back to him

[rain summit]

warranty is voided cause i also disassembled it

[rare kayak]

It's already voided because it broke. So anything they would do would be doing you a favour.

Can't hurt to ask nicely and shed some tears there so they might have mercy

[round marsh]

yeah, I wasn’t suggesting a warranty repair. I was suggesting they might just do it to be nice since it doesn’t look like the damage is too severe. It looks mostly cosmetic or maybe a shell swap.
I’ve heard from some other people that they are pretty good about that.

[round marsh]

Ok did my first image

Conditions weren’t the greatest

But that’s an improvement over my previous ones

Autofocus still doesn’t work though

Recorded the session and putting together a video I’ll post soonTM

Processing the image in PI right now that’s the live stack output 15s bin 1x1 100 subs

[rain summit]

Compare it with mine

[round marsh]

After running it through PI

this might take awhile to render

[mint hull]

Mine

Also mine

[round marsh]

If anyone wants to take a look and tell me if I made any glaring errors that would be great

Dwarf II Beta Software, First Look
https://youtu.be/3eoL-pTCFY4

It’s not public yet, and I think they’re still processing it

Spent hours making it and sadly I know what today’s YouTube audience. Most people will only watch like two minutes of it because nobody has an attention span anymore.

[stark forge]

The thing is that the video could/should be much shorter.
like around 24min you have still image and can only hear passing cars, why not cut it out?

[round marsh]

One because I missed that part which is part of the reason I shared it here and 2 if you actually listen to the video, I was going out and plugging in the telescope

But thanks for the feedback later on I’ll cut that bit out and re-upload it

Anything else?

Also, I had about three hours of footage that I cut down to this. I spent quite a while on it.

[stark forge]

Get better microphone lol

[round marsh]

Ok… anything actually helpful?
There’s only so much you can do when you’re recording in a semi truck next to an interstate. If you think this sounds bad, you should hear it on a regular microphone the one I was using actually has active noise cancellation.

[stark forge]

Idk what do you want me to tell you. You've asked for opinion.
Or do you want only praises?

[round marsh]

I wanted feedback on things I could fix in the video that was already recorded

[stark forge]

Better microphone will isolate background noises better

[round marsh]

This is a sample using the two different microphones. I think I accidentally didn’t have the noise cancellation one turned on last night.

[stark forge]

Idk but the noise is maybe even louder than your voice on my TV.

[round marsh]

About halfway through the recording the guy next to me turned on his truck and it was loud as hell

[stark forge]

I mean in the original recording

[round marsh]

But I can’t really go back and re-record the whole thing. So as far as the audio goes, it is what it is.

[rare kayak]

The Hookah surprised me a bit hahaha

[round marsh]

It’s a vape. I used to be a chain smoker but I quit that And just use the vape now

I’m probably gonna do another video later today using the new solar feature

[rare kayak]

I was not judging - just so you know. I found it funny 😄

Ty for the vids also

[round marsh]

I didn’t think you were

Making videos is surprisingly difficult and time-consuming. I’m pretty sure most of YouTube viewers have no idea how much goes into producing even a simple video like this.

And I usually see absolutely no return on investment. I haven’t made money on YouTube in like four years and even then I barely really made anything.

[rare kayak]

Oh well I produced Music for myself and this already was a lot of hassle and time "wasted" - so yeah I understand.

[rare kayak]

I bet that would be a whole science you gotta study on a meta level - like what are good titles and screenshots for the vid and so on

[round marsh]

It’s funny the videos I spend the most time effort and energy on hardly ever get any views and it’s the ones I just kind of throw out there that blow up for some reason I have a video with 11 million views that I just kind of threw together in 10 minutes and popped on YouTube just to show a friendand it’s my most successful video ever

[rare kayak]

Ever heard of the Pareto Principle? Kinda reminds a bit there. 😄

[round marsh]

Can’t really say that I have

[rare kayak]

Basically it says that you get out 80% result by 20% performance and the other way round lol

[round marsh]

That sounds about right

[rare kayak]

And it's true for many things kinda

You cannot prove it but empirics show that a lot lol

[round marsh]

Wow.... Just wow... (I was asleep when this was recorded by dashcam)
https://youtu.be/MlqaPtMU5Xc

That video right there has nearly 11,000,000 views

[rare kayak]

Wes - just out of curiousity - do you have anny connections to Hungary?

[round marsh]

My family was originally from there but they’ve been in the United States since the 1800s

[rare kayak]

Oh boy someone could not handle his truck lmfao

[rare kayak]

Allright - just wondered about the name you know. Magyar.

[round marsh]

Yeah, I’m used to it plus most people from that region just by looking at me can tell I’m Hungarian.

Something about being nearly 2 m tall and 160 kg

[rare kayak]

I am smol

not even 180cm

hahaha

[round marsh]

I am a certifiable giant

[rare kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/sanxit-indorsata-excommunicado-persona-non-grata-stamp-approved-gif-13799328

[round marsh]

My wife is like one and a half meters tall

She is like a hobbit next to me 😉

[rare kayak]

Main thing is you both look happy af there on the image.

[round marsh]

No sun spots 😦

[mint hull]

Reduce gain to 0 and exposure time to 1/250

[round marsh]

I’m guessing there just isn’t any spots today

I had to go way lower

[mint hull]

Idk then

There should be some though

That’s todays

[stark forge]

It looks completely overexposed.

[round marsh]

Yeah look at how fast I had to set it

Anyone else got the beta firmware willing to test it?

Maybe they changed something in it

Or it’s because I don’t have binning enabled

[rare kayak]

Have you tried without IR cut as well?

Ususally 1/200 was enough with the old (current)

I am wondering

[round marsh]

The third one was without

[rare kayak]

odd

Well I borrowed my Dwarf away to a working colleague, so I can't test anything. I also don't know if there is a beta for iphone.

Is there?

[round marsh]

Yes

I was using an iOS device

[rare kayak]

Oh allright.

Anways - it's odd that you could not resolve the spots. Hm was it hazy?

well the big one was resolved kinda

3465

[round marsh]

No clear and Sunny but I had to set it to like 1/4000

[rare kayak]

hm crazy - but in the end should be a tad better.
Have you tried with gain 30?

(and slower exp)

[round marsh]

I had it at gain 0

[rare kayak]

Ye that's why I asked.

IK that they recommended gain 0. But could not hurt to try it that way.

Also, noise should get a bit down at 30 ig

[round marsh]

Wouldn’t a higher gain blow it out more?

[rare kayak]

well if you go longer exp then not

(I think)

[round marsh]

Longer exposure would let more light in and a higher game with amplify the sensor so if I would want a higher gain, I would want a shorter exposure

[rare kayak]

fk I meant shorter -.- but this aint possible lol sry it's early here ...

4:45am

[round marsh]

No worries

[rare kayak]

My brain is not ready yet lol

Man I tell you though - it's awesome for reachout. My colleague was like: can I keep it longer (he just had one night, barely checking out how everything works)
And I was like, yeah sure take yo time, I wanna see some stacks of yours. 😄

He told me his nephew was on visit and totally mad about the Dwarf

(8 or 9y old)

[rare kayak]

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/858911-dwarf-2-general-discussion-of-the-dwarf-labs-refractor/page-29

look at post #706

guy used 1/200 gain 0 🤔

[round marsh]

I don’t see the numbers on the post on my phone so I’m not sure which one you were in reference to but I’m guessing it’s the guy who had solar images so I don’t know why mine was doing that maybe my solar filter is messed up but I didn’t have this problem before I installed the beta

[plucky berry]

just got the beta invite to nice !

[rain summit]

you are lucky as hell

Or did you just email them

[plucky berry]

send a mail to [email protected] asking if i can join the beta XD

[rain summit]

Guys holy crap. A guy posted a image without the binning on Horsehead neb and it looks amazing.

Found this in facebook

[plucky berry]

ow nice

[rain summit]

While this is my Horsehead

Looks soo much better without the binning

[plucky berry]

its bine cloudy here 😦

got some of Adromada few days ago tho

had 2 hours of clear sky

[rare kayak]

Is your Dwarf working again?

[rain summit]

It is doing much better now. it works just fine but the alt axis doesnt move due to a screw being stuck in the mechanism

[rare kayak]

dang you think you can solve this?

but gj on the soldering then?

[rain summit]

I would need to disassemble the whole dwarf 2 to fix it

[rare kayak]

so but how do you solve alt axis not moving then ?

[rain summit]

A screw is jamming it so I gotta take it out of there

[rare kayak]

defo

[rain summit]

I got the dwarf fixed ! 🎉

[plucky berry]

nice

[flat kettle]

Is anyone else having issues downloading images from the dwarf 2?, everytime I try to download multiple images at once it won’t let me and for some reason it’s only downloading half of one of my photos of the north American nebula.

[rain summit]

I had this problem once and it just dissapearred on its own

[flat kettle]

Hopefully it’ll be fixed in the new app.

[rare kayak]

how do you connect? I just use USB and am fine

well or plainly the sd card

[rain summit]

Fck yeah

[naive lava]

thinking about getting the dwarf 2 or seestar, although im more inclined towards the first

thoughts?

[rain summit]

The dwarf 2 is getting a new software update soon that would make it probably as powerful as the seestar if we are not talking about focal length

But the seestar is twice as powerful

[naive lava]

what about price tho?

[rain summit]

The seestar is maybe a bit more than 600 bucks while the dwarf is around 420. 540 bucks with the filters and adapter

The seestar is 500 bucks

[naive lava]

only problem i have with the seestar so far is that the pictures are not as wide as the dwarf 2

[rain summit]

https://astronomy-imaging-camera.com/product/zwo-seestar/

[naive lava]

u cannot capture the whole andromeda galaxy, for example

u have the dwarf 2, right?

can u show me some of the best shots u have captured with it?

[rain summit]

I have the dwarf 2

[rain summit]

Here ya go

[rare kayak]

I like the whirlpool

[rain summit]

The pinwheel and the whirlpool look the best in my opinion

I can't seem to get darks on the beta version. I press on astro dark and do everything press the button and it's stuck in 0.00%

[rare kayak]

email dwarflab about it - it's a beta

[flat kettle]

North American Nebula.

[mint hull]

Smooth

[flat kettle]

Quick image of Helix nebula, I did not use any filters and only had 3sec exposures, this is before processing.

[rain summit]

holy crap that thing is bright

[rare kayak]

Ye it's helix.

[rain summit]

Never thought it was so bright

[rare kayak]

you should see ring neb

is also very bright

ok helix should be brighter ithink

ye checked it

[mint hull]

Quick cocoon nebula, only like 15 minutes

[rain summit]

ok my dwarf 2 and my sanity are falling apart.

first it was darks now it's dso stacking

completely deleted the app and reinstalled it without the beta

worked for one target then it disconnected and I can't reconnect

restarted it twice but still the same thing

[mint hull]

I’ve been on iOS the whole time and it works fine

[quick surge]

Ummmm i think that your dwarf 2 is done for, after you dropped it problems started occuring

[rain summit]

It works better now. It connected I saw the orion and tried imaging but the battery died at the "best" time

[flat kettle]

If you have an extension cord or a long cord lying around you can keep the dwarf 2 plugged in while it’s imaging.

[rain summit]

Oh yeah. I could have used a power bank btw

[quick surge]

Who let me cook (my homemade dwarf 2l

[tranquil bobcat]

Live stacking is so fun 🤩

[blissful canyon]

Is this any better lol

ASI585MC + 6.5mm f/2 fisheye, meant to be a “most-sky” camera

[flat kettle]

Does it have the same specs as the dwarf 2?

[quick surge]

No

[rare kayak]

lol: 'most' sky camera

[fringe jasper]

Ok

[wise python]

is the dwarf good for traveling ?

[quick surge]

Hell yeah it is (i dont have a dwarf 2)

[rain summit]

Ye

[wise python]

oki

[rare kayak]

It is fitting into a bag that is like for DSLR size. Is weighing around that also. So, yes.

[tranquil bobcat]

Dwarf II bag compared to a RedCat 51 and DSLR

Surprisingly small

[mint hull]

Alright I’m finally doing a longer project on andromeda I will post updates here over the upcoming weeks

[flat kettle]

Yes, 100% that’s originally why I got it but now I use the scope way more than that.

[rare kayak]

My Dwarf is still borrowed to a colleague. But we got clouds here...

[wise python]

Ok

[quick surge]

Something is wrong with my homemade dwarf 2

[rain summit]

Good news guys! I tried installing the beta software on the dwarf through pc and it worked, I couldn't update it through mobile tho. I just took some darks and now waiting for a clear night

[fringe jasper]

BRUh

[fringe jasper]

I need to get me one of these

[rare kayak]

the homemade one or the china one?

[fringe jasper]

🤷‍♀️

It’s like a roki without the hard work

Buy me one

[rare kayak]

I work me ass of for me astro and you work yer ass off for yer astro

Besides I need clear

[fringe jasper]

I work me ass off tryna choose which iso to shoot at

[rare kayak]

usually 800 to 1600 but you could be elaborate and check the sensor with sharpcap sensor analysis if sharpcap supports the cam

[fringe jasper]

https://youtu.be/0JdtL950RjQ?si=tIIdMJrHngVfi4kF is this the one you talking about

[rare kayak]

#1055332251791011891 message
I was referring to this one 😄
But that Cuiv's one actually made me go astro. I was so excited back then haha

[quick surge]

Dayum my homemade dwarf 2 got some power

I just need to figure out on how to mount the camera properly

[stark forge]

new menu for the dwarf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK0Dr5N0tbs

[rain summit]

when the hell are they releasing the update

[stark forge]

Well hopefully soon, I am just waiting for some clear nights to test it

[mint hull]

Should I get out my old android phone for the software, I’m on iOS currently

[tranquil bobcat]

Great! The current UI is pretty confusing

New objects too

[rare kayak]

So they released it now officially?

for Android? Or still beta

[stark forge]

It’s for both as this is IOS TestFlight that I’m using but this is only for the Beta testers which the window is now closed. It wasn’t really announced about the testing but things I’ve noticed is a huge difference in performance. The images load instantly when loading the album. Less lag with the interface and access to presets. I have also seen 4k and 2k binning. And that they have improved the focus so that you can see Saturn’s rings and the lines of Jupiter. The last one I want to test but the dam clouds look like they are here for the week

[rare kayak]

have been having clouds for weeks now. My dwarf is at a friend's who has never done astro. He started to complain about clouds. 😄
Well oke so it's not fully released yet is what you saying but seems to be on a good way then?

[flat kettle]

M42

This is only 30 minutes worth of data

[stark forge]

Aha yeah it’s typical when you finally get everything ready! Yeah it’s not fully released but I would say it’s long overdue for an update. I think they are trying to get everything perfect before releasing the next update but it would be better to update as they go along. I’ll be posting some updates on the software no doubt

[stark forge]

The control layout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jykHRi8gFJ8

[rare kayak]

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/858911-dwarf-2-general-discussion-of-the-dwarf-labs-refractor/page-31

I am always folling up this thread. I hope they gonna do it right...

[stark forge]

Yeah a lot of changes have happened to the coding and I think now the autofocus has fixed. I will have to verify this again on a non cloudy night. I wouldn’t think the update would be released in two weeks as said in the thread but could be wrong. I think the beta should of been a choice for all customers via the settings itself but to stop support being flooded with messages they have most likely kept to a small amount. I only see around 27 people in the test group so numbers are really small

[quick surge]

We got the same results, i have my homemade dwarf 2

[strong vortex]

guys whats the equivalent to a dwarf II telescope

like what mount what camera and what telescope

[stark forge]

Dwarf 2 is a smart telescope that does everything via the app

[strong vortex]

thats not whay Im asking

Im saying if I wanted to build a telescope thats the same as a dwarf II, what would I need

like what telescope, mount, camera, pc etc

[stark forge]

You would need a autotracking mount with goto

once you have that you can start worrying about the camera

[tranquil bobcat]

For the same price, you really can’t get anything similar when buying separate parts.

You’d be looking at a rig that can calibrate automatically, goto and has a focal length equivalent of 675mm

(With a noisy sensor, of course)

If you want something similar to the dwarf, get the dwarf 🤷‍♂️

[stark forge]

Yeah it's like I want to try planetry with auto mount but expensive, I chose the dwarf because I can photo more nebula and galaxies over the few planets

[flat kettle]

M33 the triangulum galaxy

[mint hull]

Can you post data?

[flat kettle]

I’m planning on trying to shoot the bubble nebula with the dwarf 2, has anyone managed to do this? If so what settings did you use and how did it turn out?

[rare kayak]

https://dwarflab.com/collections/all

cyber monday sale

in case anyone

you know

[flat kettle]

best image of bubble nebula I have gotten thus far.

theres a lot of noise and I did not process it as well as I could've.

[flat kettle]

Pacman nebula

[kind shoal]

Did you post process???

This is what it looks unprocessed

Normally

835×15″(3h 28′ 45″)

Moin was 85% illuminated

Processed image

[flat kettle]

I did, but I only had 30 mins of data and I’m pretty new to processing.

[kind shoal]

Can anyone tell me how to get perfect focus on the dwarf 2 without a bahtinov cap?

[mint hull]

I just zoom in on a star and very slowly tap the focus until the stars are as small as possible

[kind shoal]

Anymore got a video on how to post process a nebula correctly?

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJmdNyEKf0

just ask YT bro

[mint hull]

Y’all I’m going to a bortle 1 vacation for about a week soon and I’m bringing my dwarf!

[rain summit]

today in the dwarf 2 discord server

[flat kettle]

Caldwell 23, was an hour and 30 minutes total exposure time.

[kind shoal]

1 min exposure time, the clouds really did not want me to do astrophotography

As you see there are a few blue cold pixels in there, anyone have an idea on how to get rid of them

[rare kayak]

Do you just stack with Dwarf or do you stack with other software?
You could try to take more darks than just the 3 that dwarf gives you eg

And then stack with SIRIL eg

[kind shoal]

I stack with the dwarf 2 cause it’s easier. Should I just use Astro dark mode again and make more darks?

[rare kayak]

No, that's not necessary because it will only record 3 darks per 10 gain

The way I do it when I wanna have a real nice result is

Taking minimum 10-20 darks with the gain I use later on

And stack it up with Siril

becaue the Dwarf's stack algo is not as sophisticated and it only uses 3 darks whatsoever

here you have a nice example

sec was the wrong lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJmdNyEKf0

here you go

Siril is a great tool (well I stack it up with Pixinsight though because I bought that for my other scopes)

[kind shoal]

How do you make more darks?

[rare kayak]

Oh, you just do it the same way you take the automatic darks ( put into bag an so on) but instead of using the dark tool you just take simple exposures with the same length and gain settings that you use for the image

I think Cuiv shows it in the vid as well

[flat kettle]

I stack with siril and dss

If you stack with other software you don’t need to worry about field rotation as much and you can also process with the fits files instead of the jpeg.

[flat kettle]

I just finished my image of the elephants trunk nebula, does anyone know what I could do to improve it next time?

[flat kettle]

I’m having trouble getting much color in the majority of my images, more specifically my galaxy images seem to be particularly black and white, is this just because I don’t gather enough data or am I processing something incorrectly?

[stark forge]

It’s because you need to use hsl or hue increase in post processing

[kind shoal]

What would be the best gain to fotograph faint nebulas

[flat kettle]

the hidden galaxy, around 30 mintues total exposure time.

[kind shoal]

Can anyone tell me why my images take ages to load? I use a 512gb sandisk 150mb/s

[flat kettle]

Do you mean when it does live stacking?

[flat kettle]

I reprocessed caldwell 23 in pixinsight

This is the original one I processed in siril

[kind shoal]

No when I try to download the foto onto my phone

[kind shoal]

Ngl I think this one is better, you see more detail and more Color

[rare kayak]

I think a mixture between both - compare star count - background is a bit too dark - I think I cannot see some other things in bottom which are appearant in top

[kind shoal]

I agree

[flat kettle]

I’ve had the same issue before, if you own a computer I recommend downloading the image files and stacking it using dss or siril, the current app for dwarf 2 is has a lot of issues.

[flat kettle]

Ok, I will take that into account and try to get a blend of both next time.

[icy nexus]

is there any way to do widefield milyway shots with the dwarf 2?

[rare kayak]

You mean, with the widefield sensor?

[icy nexus]

yes

[rare kayak]

Not yet - might come. Not sure though if they get that done.

More important is that they gotta get the software update going now that was promised for July lol

[icy nexus]

Thats a shame, thanks

[rare kayak]

Would not say shame - as there are simply better priorities at the moment.

[icy nexus]

Havnt bought one yet but its fairly cheap right now so its tempting for when i cant be bothered setting up my main rig

[rare kayak]

I would love the widefield being able to do timelapses though.

[icy nexus]

I was thinking the widefield would be a good way to do multiscale gradient removal while imaging with my ed80

[rare kayak]

Yeah well - it's abit of not knowing what the ymight implement in future - but rest assured that when the big major update now is done - they might have more time for other stuff in terms of software.

[icy nexus]

I might get it anyway, a very small and portable device is always good to have

[rare kayak]

I currently borrowed it to a friend. I got enough scopes here - and might get him into astro with it.

Then - next year maybe going on a hike

And for this - it will be awesome

Also - when you got like blehhh weather and don't wanna hustle so much with setting up the rig. Already has given me much fun in that respect.

[icy nexus]

The speed of the setup is somthing that really appeals. I often work in the countryside at nighttime with time to spare so setting it up while work is quiet is a possibility. Definitly not somthing I can so with my main mount

and getting any imaging time is better than none

[rare kayak]

I have yet to see a faster platesolve and aligning than Dwarf has. for real.

First time was like whooooah

[quiet laurel]

that jupiter? I thought it would look way better...

[flat kettle]

Damn, you scrolled far.

[flat kettle]

The new app update it live

Now I just need to wait for another clear night

[rare kayak]

https://dwarflab.com/pages/dwarflab-app-firmware-download

[rare kayak]

bro, I put the link along
Man I wished the Dwarf was here at my place - but then we still got clouds -.-

[flat kettle]

The new update and firmware fixes almost every single issue I had with the app, I was even able to finally use it because it cleared up for a couple of hours.

[flat kettle]

30 minutes total exposure time of the heart nebula, I used the optolong L-enhance filter aswell.

[rare kayak]

Is this bin1 or bin2?

[flat kettle]

2 I think, didn’t mess with the settings to much.

[rare kayak]

Ok well - yeah makes sense. I think for this signal in Bin1 you would have needed more than just 30 mins.

[stark forge]

does anyone here have a dwarf 2? if so is it just me or does it take a while to track a object like sometimes i just get impatient cause it takes up to 15 mins

[rocky scarab]

Are you asking this in the Dwarf 2 Chat and post channel?

[stark forge]

yes

does anyone here have a dwarf 2? if so is it just me or does it take a while to track a object like sometimes i just get impatient cause it takes up to 15 mins

[rare kayak]

If you on the newest version could well be bin1 - looks also like bin1

[rare kayak]

no should not take that long after calibration

[stark forge]

haha i contacted someone its my error

it jmust means keeping it in screen

[rare kayak]

ahh wait you mean acutally object tracking?

[rain summit]

Bin 1 needs more data compared to bin 2? (sorry for a dumb question)

[rare kayak]

yup - Bin1 is 4K, Bin2 is HD

you can easily read out if it's Bin1 or Bin2 when you open up the JSON data file that comes within the folder of your astro images - or in case ouy save FITS, you might be able to read the FITS Header.
Bin1 was default in my case (still is)

[flat kettle]

Is there a way to turn off binning?

[rare kayak]

you mean changing bin1 to bin2?

It will always be binned

it's just a mode

Like gears in a car

you can't switch off a gear really

[flat kettle]

Oh ok

[rare kayak]

bin1 means it's the normal 4K resolution
bin2 means out of the 4K resolution 4 pixels will be integrated into 1 "super pixel"
https://astrobackyard.com/binning-astrophotography/

So, when doing Astrophotography this is important to know.

bigger pixels always gather more light in the same time

That's why Dwarflab chose to use bin2 first. But it looks kinda undersampled with that dwarf optics - and many Apers wanted bin1 at least as an option.
Especially for sun and moon images bin1 will be nice (wiith you had undersampled sun / moon)

[stark forge]

yes

[rare kayak]

tracking the moon works a bit with that function - tested it

but usually you want the moon tracking as found under function button (eg in video)

make sure you have pointed it and centered it and then start moon/sun track

Fo Binning settings: Function (under Astro), then this box Symbol, then scroll down

This took me some time to find (in old App it was really somewhere else) - so I post it here

[stark forge]

no i meant in "star target"

after goto process

[stark forge]

yea i saw on a live last night 🙂

[rare kayak]

mb we misunderstood each other then above?

But nvm - you figured it out now?

[stark forge]

yes

[untold stream]

i know i dont post much now. i want to mention how proud at how many ppl ive seen buying the small scopes and using them now days. i know it goes against the grain tho it seems to be getting better. i not only made this thread in the discord but i was actually one of the first guys to get the dwarf2 quite a while before others managed to get one. i went thru some serious bias. i was told it 'wasnt a real telescope'. i had a youtuber i wont name that ppl WILL know tell me it 'wasnt a real telescope'. i had other people after that tell me the same. i was also told by people several years ago that if i didnt spend at least 2 grand then i needed to leave the hobby. yea. not a suggestion. not oh well this might be a bit better. no. it was literally this isnt for you. this stuff existed and still does. im happy to see how well the seestar is doing, despite how much a lot of people are hating on it. the thing is.. processing and taking images is only going to get easier and better with ai and technology. its just how it is. some people need to look up the word telescope in the dictionary. it doesnt mention pixinsight, asi air, guidescopes, or a lot of cables. can they get 'better' images. most of the time of course. it will be a little better or even a lot better. but that isnt the point. the point is you CAN get decent images. keep up with the good work folks. im about to buy a seestar in a week myself and yes.. you can do EAA on a budget. that has not changed. never let ppl try to bully you. the grumpy old guys will just have to soon tell their old war stories of how they walked for 3 miles to process their videos in the snow. 😉

[rustic dirge]

the eliteism in this hobby sucks, I was told the same things when I was starting out

I didn't get a smart telescope but i still got a good rig for under 2k

[rare kayak]

Heeeeey, hope it's not too late to wish you a happy new year - long time not seen. Hope you are fine

[rare kayak]

You got eliteism in almost every hobby. I think one aspect of it nowdays is that oyu can see it all over on social media and so on. Back a while you wold not have known that there is this or that guy with a big big scope or whatever and that lives 4000kms away... 😄

[rare kayak]

This is 240ish x 15secs and edited by me - had a lot of ugly gradients, so I just cropped 😄

[quick surge]

Send raw

[untold stream]

bought a seestar yesterday. so that should be interesting when it gets here.

this was one of my first photos i got on my dwarf2. edited in pi.

i live at a bortle 2. that, as most folks will probably already know, is the rosette.

a friend edited this with pi, but he is gone now.

[rare kayak]

just the stack as is

[tidal isle]

anyone how long it takes to get your dwarf 2 package?

I ordered mine last saturday, hasnt even been shipped yet.

[flat kettle]

Not long usually, but if weather is poor then it may take some time.

[rare kayak]

you ship from China? Could be New Year's holidays? 💀

Mail them - they are easy and usually have been answering me very fast.

[tidal isle]

Any got suggestions for tripods for the dwarf 2?

Like some good average tall ones

[flat kettle]

Why not just set it up on something tall?

[tidal isle]

I could but I also want it balance

[halcyon marlin]

duct tape

[flat kettle]

best I could get with only 10 ish minutes of total exposure time.

processed in pixinsight

[rare kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/ln_strike-kylo-ren-laser-kylo-laser-kylo-ren-gregzaj1-gif-21467799

[flat kettle]

Would love to get more exposure time but Clouds decide to roll in any time get a telescope out.

[rare kayak]

Here too, kinda we need patience

[flat kettle]

Processed some old data I took a couple months ago, it’s a little over an hour total exposure time and no filters were used.

California nebula

[rare kayak]

do you already use the Dwarf in EQ?

[flat kettle]

How do you use the dwarf in eq?

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9rIk6skTU8
like this

but you also can turn it by 90 degrees on the mount

Ah and one other thing

before you do this - you might wanna email the dwarf team and ask about the batch - give them the serial number
first batch is known to have a iffy base plate and is able to break

like the very early first batch...

since then they adopted - mine is not first batch eg

I did it like this

[flat kettle]

Ok, I’ll try that out.

[rain summit]

The moon and jupiter from late january. IR cut

Here is a brighter image

[tidal isle]

is there a way to charge your batteries for it instead of putting it in the dwarf and charging it that way?

[rare kayak]

no

[flat kettle]

Rosette Nebula

[flat kettle]

Could you put a Barlow on the dwarf 2?

Or would it not work or look horrible?

[rare kayak]

No

Well you can try but you won't achieve focus. But ive seen some forum posts that achieve focus with a certain lens. It gets very awkward though

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/858911-dwarf-2-general-discussion-of-the-dwarf-labs-refractor/page-21

[flat kettle]

Ok thanks.

[rare kayak]

hmmm anyone already installed the new OTA upgrade?

V2.0.09

Because I got 07 - but the upgrade routine says that my FW is up to date...

(using ios here)

[flat kettle]

Are you upgrading through a mobile device or through a computer?

[rare kayak]

Tried mobile device. Because it was late yesterday. But the download website only shpwed me a zip file for 06. Might check this later.

[flat kettle]

Have you made sure you don’t still have any files from previous versions?

[rare kayak]

I deleted the cache

[flat kettle]

That’s odd it won’t work, try contacting DwarfLab and see if they can help you.

[rare kayak]

Yep. That's what I will do then 🤟

[rare kayak]

What's even more odd is that it worked now - the only thing I did was loading the battery to full

And then tried for another go

🤷‍♂️

[flat kettle]

processed this just now but the core looks strange, is this an artifact of binning?

[rare kayak]

hmm not sure

did you use bin2?

[flat kettle]

I used bin4

[rare kayak]

huh?

I thought there was only 1 and 2

[flat kettle]

is 4k the same as bin1?

[rare kayak]

yes

[flat kettle]

Oh ok, likely a processing error then.

[rare kayak]

have a look at what a single sub looks like and compare - mb

could be that the core is blown out

Orion is very bright

[flat kettle]

Could be, I’ll check that out.

[flat kettle]

just finished my image of the pacman nebula, I used the L- enhance filter yet still was unable to bring out much detail, does anyone know how to do this target better?

919x15 gain 100 processed in pixinsight

[rain summit]

that's my pacman with a Dwarflab UHC filter. 600x15s gain 80

[halcyon marlin]

wow thats barely anything

[rain summit]

yup

[flat kettle]

I noticed some artifacts on my more recent images with the dwarf, is this due to collimation or focussing, maybe it’s just how I’m processing them.

But for some reason it’s not in my less recent images using the Dwarf, does anyone know what the reason may be??

[rare kayak]

mb focus?

[flat kettle]

Maybe, I only started noticing the artifacts after I used auto focus, I think I’ll try using a bahtinov mask to focus and see if that works better.

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELZJXx-Eshk

[flat kettle]

did not have much time to image the whirlpool galaxy last night, I only got 230 15s exposures. Given the data I think it came out pretty alright.

[flat kettle]

bubble nebula L-enhance filter

913x15

[rain summit]

Here is my pacman nebula 600x15s gain 40 and whirpool 275x15s gain 20. The pacman was with the Dwarflab UHC

And whirpool was IR cut

[flat kettle]

are those with processing?

[rain summit]

Dwarf stacked

[flat kettle]

Maybe it will be able to better compete with the seestar.

[rare kayak]

they got more info now?

[flat kettle]

Yeah, it’ll be a lot better than the 2 apparently, maybe it will rival the seestar.

[rare kayak]

we will see what they up too huh

[rain summit]

i wanna know the specs of the dwarf 3

[rare kayak]

Imho they should have waited and improved software first but nvm

hopefully d2 gets updates along the process - I bet 100 % that it's the same app

[rain summit]

I agree

[rare kayak]

banger would be that the dwarf3 is a remote mini sat they shoot up for you

[rain summit]

Eastern veil nebula, 360 15s exposures, gain 40, bortle 3,Dwarflab UHC filter

[flat kettle]

Why’d you only use a gain of 40?, I thought that was usually too low for dso’s.

[rain summit]

low gain decreases the noise, which i hate

its fine tho

[rain summit]

The dwarf 3 specs are out

[halcyon marlin]

2mp?? that seems a bit low

[flat kettle]

That’s for the wide camera, the one you use to find the sun and such.

[halcyon marlin]

ah so its not meant to be actually used

[flat kettle]

Comparing the specs with the dwarf 2 it is an upgrade, but not much of one. Better off getting the seestar instead tbh. The sensor is not even any better.

[rare kayak]

oh are the specs out?

[rare kayak]

hmm sensor could be a huge upg though

ooh and build in filters

well and apparently less ca

well and even if aperture is only 35mm,it still means 50% more aperture compared to d2 which is huge too

[rain summit]

The battery is twice as large

[arctic minnow]

Much better than the Seestar for wider angles, and the resolution is a lot higher

For tighter FOV targets including the sun and moon the Seestar will be better - on paper at least

It’s a 8MP sensor but it will be heavily oversampled with a 35mm lens so you’ll probably run it in bin2 mode anyway

[rare kayak]

Let's wait what the software features brings

still not clear what cool upgs they got in mind

[rare kayak]

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/858911-dwarf-2-general-discussion-of-the-dwarf-labs-refractor/page-46

heck the feature list is amazing

[rain summit]

here is the features of the dwarf 3, simmilar to the cloudy nights info

[flat kettle]

Are they integrating stellarium into the app???

[flat kettle]

The wide angle would be really cool if only the wide angle sensor was better.

[rain summit]

A local retailer has leaked some details! A larger APO lens, with around 116% more light gathering
Main camera will use a Sony IMX678 Starvis 2 sensor
Support for long exposure Equatorial mode imaging
Wide angle astrophotography - ideal for the Milky Way
Mosaic image combination
Automatic bird species identification for bird watchers
Share and combine images with other DWARF 3 users around the world
Plus lots more to be announced!

Copied the text from the dwarf 2 community discord server

[rain summit]

Cygnus loop, brightened up so the western veil would be visible

600x15s gain 60

Dwarflab UHC

[flat kettle]

You’ve got some smudges on your lens.

[rain summit]

These things always appear when i use the uhc filter

[rare kayak]

got that in me mail

[flat kettle]

95 exposures only on the needle galaxy, I'll try again with more because the noise is atrocious.

I was able to get some nice color out of the galaxy it's self though, hopefully I can make it look really nice when I have more frames.

[flat kettle]

My best tulip nebula yet with the dwarf 2, lot's of annoying gradients, and noise. I will try to shoot it again when I go to a dark sky site.

[rare kayak]

with or without filter?

[flat kettle]

L-Enhance filter, only 300 exposures though.

[rare kayak]

New firmware update

sky atlas and stuff

[flat kettle]

just processed my horsey I took a few months ago.

[rare kayak]

noice

You gonna get D3?

Anyone plans to get D3?

https://www.instructables.com/The-Micro-Scope-a-Miniture-GOTO-Telescope/

wow

@drifting dragon you know this one? 👀

[drifting dragon]

Yea it’s a neat build

[flat kettle]

Not current, I'm saving to get a better telescope setup right now.

[rare kayak]

looks like you can only use it in your own PA region this way though

[rare kayak]

Well I would have the cash for it but I am a bit grumpy. To me it feels like D2 was their beta test. So not sure really if I wanna have a D3. And D2 gets many of the software updates as well, so...
Anyways I got a quite nice rig besides, so Dwarf is not my main rig.

[flat kettle]

west veil nebula

[flat kettle]

Crescent nebula

[ember rapids]

nice

how much data is that?

[flat kettle]

Only 533 15s frames. I used the l-enhance filter though.

[tawny hull]

is it the raw data or after process?

[rare kayak]

after process. Raw data would mean that the data is in it's linear state (not stretched). You would see only a really dark / almost black image)

[flat kettle]

It’s processed in pixinsight.

[rain summit]

I havent used the dwarf since may, its such a nice feeling

I regret not using it for so long

[rare kayak]

gotten some nice updates now

[rain summit]

Solar powered dwarf 2

Charges at daytime

[ember rapids]

That’s cool

[rare kayak]

Has someone ordered the D3?

[flat kettle]

highly mid image of black eye galaxy, maybe more exposures can make it better.

[rain summit]

Andromeda in H alpha. 400x15s gain 40

[flat kettle]

But why would you shoot andromeda in H alpha???

[rain summit]

Why not

For funn

[flat kettle]

fair enough.

[idle elbow]

Hey guys, today I was thinking of shooting the whirlpool galaxy. What settings should I use for it? (exposure, gain, .. everything) I am mostly new. I only shot an Adromeda and Orion.

[ember rapids]

Has the dwarf 3 started shipping out?

[flat kettle]

15s exposure time, I think that's the highest, 100 gain, do not use any filters, and shoot for as long as possible.

[flat kettle]

Not that I'm aware of.

[idle elbow]

Why no filter?

[rare kayak]

galaxies are broadband targets

I'd rather take UV IR cut then

at least I would take the internal IR cut

[idle elbow]

Ah so I set it to cut IR?

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHIrNoFStlc

[rare kayak]

best option is to use the filter adapter and a nice 1.25" filter - ok costs a bit add on but that's a nice advantage dwarf II delivers - you can use any 1.25" filter you want with it

and btw the link above is talking about sharp stars mainly - another reason for using UV/IR cut is the color

IR will blend over everything kinda if you don't use a IR cut

[idle elbow]

Thanks soo much. It all makes sense now

But, do you know any programs to edit images that's free?

[flat kettle]

Siril, gimp, deep sky stacker.

[graceful sinew]

wassup

[flat kettle]

Wassup

[graceful sinew]

i plan to

[rain summit]

Weird long streaks in the IR spectrum. They dissapear when i change it to IR cut. Only visible with IR pass

I have no idea what these are

[flat kettle]

What’s the rest of your settings?

[azure yew]

My friend had those once and it was because of a ring doorbell shining into the scope

Looked EXACTLY like that

[flat kettle]

That would make a lot of sense, a quick fix luckily you can just move it.

[flat kettle]

Quick dumbbell nebula, 306x15s, L-enhance filter. Processed in Pixinsight.

[rain summit]

Bootleg H alpha filter on the dwarf 2

DwarfLab UHC + QHY IR/UV CUT + Red filter

[flat kettle]

Whats the image of on the right?

[quick surge]

Bubble nebula

[flat kettle]

Oh

[rain summit]

SADR region, thats just a weird artifact of my bootleg Ha

[quick surge]

Kinda looks like the bubble

[flat kettle]

This is how the bubble would look though.

[rain summit]

northern lagoon on the bottom right?

yueap

[flat kettle]

Yes

[quick surge]

Oh, they kinda look simlair tho

Similar

[rare kayak]

around crescent there is a soap bubble nebula

[quick surge]

Im going to plan on imaging it

[halcyon marlin]

wheres the dwarf 1

theres a dwarf 3

[flat kettle]

The dwarf 1 I think was just called tiny scope.

[ember kindle]

i shouldve looked here before i bought the dwarf ii

[ember kindle]

hey im only almost 6 months late https://tinyscope-club.com/products/dwarf-telescope

[ember kindle]

why so offcenter

[molten cypress]

Idk

[flat kettle]

it’s been a while - Staind