Dwarf 2 Chat n Post

[plucky berry]

i can do it in like 10 mins now tho

[rare kayak]

so but then you are used to collimation already a bit

Yeah - welp have a look at those F4 Newts maybe too

[plucky berry]

i dont mind like to tinker whit stuf

[rare kayak]

ok then - one moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWp75HOkfs8

[plucky berry]

seen al his vids XD

[rare kayak]

have a look at Cuiv's channel and his journy with this Quattro

Ahaha ok

[plucky berry]

several times hahaha

[rare kayak]

Friend of mine has this Quattro and he really does some nice shit

and is really content with it

rather happy

[plucky berry]

think i need about 5k to get the rig i want

50% there XD

[rare kayak]

what cam do you want?

mono or osc?

If you plan to spent that amount of cash already - I'd recommend to go mono straight away

[plucky berry]

mono i think

[rare kayak]

Seems you already got some nice plans for yourself hehe

I started more planless

that's why I ended up with much stuff - like - I got two mounts Oo

welp I got 3 Mounts -.-

[plucky berry]

i did planets whit the meade

but its slow and ye a pain in the but to settup

[rare kayak]

Never done real planetary - I got a C6 used - wanted for planetary - but then opportunity for hyperstar used came up - now it's hyperstarred

Oh that PFP image is C6 native FL

done 2 nights with it at native 1500mm

[plucky berry]

nice

[rare kayak]

Cocoon Galaxy

was quite the fun must say

[plucky berry]

where are u from if i may ask

[rare kayak]

Germany - you?

[plucky berry]

netherlands XD

[rare kayak]

Hi Neighbour 😄

[plucky berry]

hi XD

[rare kayak]

What mount do you wanna get?

Would recommend to try get one of those harmonic drives that pop up

[plucky berry]

EQ5 pro

[rare kayak]

Oh ok

Nice mounts also - good price for the performance

[plucky berry]

ye end when im realy old i want to build a shed whit dome

[rare kayak]

Haha sheesh

Nah I will not develop such a plan

I prolly end up really poor when I am old

German System ...

[plucky berry]

ye me to whit a nice shed tho lol

[rare kayak]

lmao

living in the astro shed then

that could be a plan

[plucky berry]

what bprte class are you in im at 6

[rare kayak]

hmm ig between 4 and 5

[plucky berry]

the netherland its hard to find anything below 4

got nice spot 20min drive thats 4

[rare kayak]

yup 💀

[rare kayak]

that's 75s with the ZWO fisheye lens at my place

It could really be worse here in ger - still got some decent skies here

[plucky berry]

going to plan my free time so i can go somewhere where its nice end clear

found some places to rent whit rigs you can borow

[rare kayak]

yeah - plan for Namibia Oo

If my astro wants will stay

I might go there

Atm I got some hard problems with flats n setup

so - yeah not sure atm if I will do astro forever - at least not sure if Imma do it that hard like now

But I also found out today - my gaming days are quite over

Bought Diablo IV - played a bit - and got a refund

I am not into games anymore it seems

[plucky berry]

i only play DCS world lol

got 150 games in steam only play dcs

[rare kayak]

clicked a bit lustlessly - and then all those crafting materials and stuff to do - quest, NPC quests, and on and on - and I was like: yea, doh, not feeling it

[rare kayak]

I got like 40 games on steam (never played really) - got like 40 games on Switch (only Zelda got played hardcore and MarioKart) that's it

my gaming days are over - my former self in the past does a facepalm for me

[plucky berry]

sold my switch few monts afther i got it lol

[rare kayak]

but really - it didnt feel any bad to get the refund

rather feels good still

[rare kayak]

Well Zelda was great - for real. Prolly one of the best games I played

ever

But now when I see reviews of the sequel - it feels not really fresh

So no sequel for me there

[plucky berry]

@rare kayak working in siril if you want to watch

[rare kayak]

I can watch a bit - just not really talk - I am almost deaf you know...

[plucky berry]

dont have a mike on this pc 😛

[rare kayak]

I only see a mouse cursor so far though ^^

[plucky berry]

can you see it now ?

[rare kayak]

no, just mouse cursor

NOW

works

[plucky berry]

awesome

[rare kayak]

I am just no SiriL user - so don't expect me to know stuff there ^^

[plucky berry]

following astrobiscuits tut 😛

[rare kayak]

sheesh 565 images? 😄

[plucky berry]

ye had to trow few tree pics aay lol

[rare kayak]

I will continue to write in star party live now

[plucky berry]

M51 499 x 15sec grain 80 Brortle 6 whit UHC filter

[rare kayak]

My Pinwheel looks like sh'***

Won't even post it

[plucky berry]

think my focus whas a bit off to

[rare kayak]

mine 2 - but autofocus routine did not work yesterday night

[plucky berry]

did you have the filter on?

[rare kayak]

only internal

It was rather bugged I think

[plucky berry]

i had to focus manual

[rare kayak]

They want you to open widefield camera - set it to longest exposure (1s) and highest gain (164) then center a bright star and click autofocus

But when I did it - it could not autofocus

atfer that I had a look at widefield camera settings - and they were like this: -1.0000s exposure and -1gain

so I tried like 3 times - everytime I had a look afterwards these settings were shown

actually makes no sense right?

[plucky berry]

had the same problem

[rare kayak]

You did? Do you use Android or iphone app?

I use iphone..

[plucky berry]

android tablet

[rare kayak]

hmm

mb we should mail them up about this

I always thought it might be cuz iphone app is still wonky and more behind than android one

[plucky berry]

going to try again ton8

[rare kayak]

I think I might do some funky infrared near stuff tonight

we aint got astro dark anyways - maybe like uhm 30 minutes

[plucky berry]

yefull moon end bright light from nextdoor 😦

[rare kayak]

oh shit forgot about the moon as well lol

[rare kayak]

Some secs of venus

@hasty acorn 😄

@inner galleon

[hasty acorn]

Is it actually resolved? Or just a dot?

[plucky berry]

M101 465x 15 sec grain 80 Bortle 6 whit UHC filter

[rare kayak]

this should be kinda resolved - what do you think?

[rare kayak]

maybe try galaxies without UHC filter - they will cut a lot - are more meant for nebulae
though I am not sure about your B6 there

[hasty acorn]

Probably slightly yeah

[rare kayak]

these are with ZWO IR850 Passfilter

[hasty acorn]

Venus is pretty neat - did the af work on it?

[rare kayak]

no have not tried

autofocus needs more stars in widefield they written

and venus was just the first star to see

so wasnt sure

@hasty acorn autofocus worked on arcturus though

[plucky berry]

ok il try

[rare kayak]

most of the time UV/IR cut is used for gals

atm I am imaging with IR pass internal

no filter attached

[hasty acorn]

Oh awesome

So it’s all better now then?

[rare kayak]

well i would say software still is a tad wonky

yesterday it first didn't import the gps signal kinda

so astro tracking was not working

could be a thing of iphone app vs android too

after that it worked flawlessly

[hasty acorn]

Can you make a bug report or something

Let them know it’s being weird

[rare kayak]

Ye mb write them email

update pace has been fast so far though

Since it arrived - 2 upgs. That is not shabby

[rare kayak]

🏄

[hasty acorn]

might be a good idea

[rare kayak]

@supple cypress #1055332251791011891 message

[supple cypress]

Nice

[idle elbow]

thats dwarf?

[round marsh]

got my dwarf 2 today Is there a way to make the videos output ser or in a format autostakkert can read. also it was doing bad at tracking the sun

[supple cypress]

You can give them a artificial yellow with curves

[rare kayak]

I use PIPP for the .mp4 - and convert it to .ser - already doing some minor things like qual estimation and stabilizing and crop. then stack the .ser up with autostakkert, and then process it further

You also could try with Planetary System Stacker - I don't know that program yet though - it's on my bucket list ^^

false coloring goes like that: you turn up red, you S curve green, you turn down blue (to your liking)

[round marsh]

Hmm so tried doing Panoramas and it didnt stitch them tigether 😦

[rare kayak]

Haven't tried them so far really
Did you upgrade the firmware and everything?

If it won't work - write them a mail or something

[round marsh]

It was the iPhone app sucking. Hooked up my Android tablet and it worked

[round marsh]

That's pretty much what I did

[supple cypress]

@rare kayak can you get the zwo carbon tripod and put your eq6r on it? I want to see how cursed it looks

[round marsh]

So it won't download the panoramas to either of my devices...
That was one of the reasons I sprung for it. I go through some really pretty areas and thought I could get some cool photos.

[round marsh]

Ok so AF kinda sucks but it's working

[rare kayak]

which filter did you use? Oh man I wish I finally had that histogramm in iphone app -.-

[round marsh]

The UHC it came with

[rare kayak]

what about downloading it from sd card directly to disk?

[rare kayak]

I think it's a decent filter for that price.

[round marsh]

So, they aren't great but seeing as I did them from a Walmart distribution center parking lot with flood lights everywhere they aren't terrible either.

[rare kayak]

No the UHC is not like one of those crazy expensive narrowbands imho - but for the price it's really decent in my opinion

[round marsh]

And it's just the raw livestack output I haven't done anything to them

I didn't even mess with the histogram

[rare kayak]

As long as you remember that this is not a real pro scope but meant for beginners and having fun - I think nothing beats that little fella.

[rare kayak]

It's missing for iphone app - but I have read they do a overhaul.

[round marsh]

yeah, I mean I mainly got it just for something quick and easy. I have three actual telescopes for photography I Celestron C8 an SVBony SV503 and my Evo guide 50 DX.

and my EQ6R pro is my mount

next month I’m going to be actually upgrading to the ASI 533 MC pro right now I’m just using the ASI585MC which is technically a planetary camera. I’m also going to pick up the Optolong L Extreme.
when I get my tax return, I’m debating whether I should get an FRA 500 or get an AM5 mount

[rare kayak]

I love your dedication - being out there with the truck and having the energy to set up all that and image.

[round marsh]

i’m leaning towards the a M5, because though the EQ6R is fantastic. It’s a fat girl.

And I'm getting to old to lug her fat butt around

[rare kayak]

AM5 is only worth it for having less trouble setting it up I think - in terms of performance it will not be that much better than your EQ6R i think. But setting it up must be really easier 😄

[round marsh]

yeah I know I’m gonna get AM5 Eventually the issue is my 50 DX is OK but it’s a really short focal length. I like the focal length of my SV bony better but it’s got really bad chromatic aberration. I am hoping the Optolong L Extreme will help with that.

[rare kayak]

haha sheesh them purple stars 😄

[round marsh]

Yeah

so it’s field of use identical to what the FRA 500 with the reducer is

I don't know if the L Extreme will have any effect on the purple stars

[rare kayak]

This was with asi585 and Evoguide 50 and L Extreme btw

[round marsh]

Ooof

[rare kayak]

It will - but also can happen that you get crazy halos on some stars.

[round marsh]

That's with my Evoguide

Using uv IR cut

[rare kayak]

you can edit the purple a bit out by inverting the image - and SCNR in green

A trick that a friend showed me 🙂

[rare kayak]

there is also a bit of lp grad in that image still

[round marsh]

My thing was the gradient from what I understand the L extreme will help with that

[rare kayak]

yes

Will also help vs LP grads

[round marsh]

I tried everything I could to get rid of it and I couldn’t and the thing is the light pollution actually wasn’t that bad I was in a Bortle 4, but there was a street light off to the side, not in view of the Evoguide, but that thing is really really susceptible to street lights

[rare kayak]

Yeah well - it won't get rid completely of lp but yes that filter will help.

[round marsh]

It's also very noisy. So I'm hoping the combo of a cooled 533MC and the l extreme will help that

Because pretty much everywhere I image has street lights somewhere nearby

[rare kayak]

is this still the Evoguide 50 or another scope ?

[round marsh]

Evoguide

[rare kayak]

the first pinwheel looks like clouds+lp but also a little bit of walking noise?

[round marsh]

No clouds just glare on the lens

[rare kayak]

damn

[round marsh]

so the main issue I’ve come to realize is, if you actually look inside the little dew shield that’s built into it. The threads are glossy.

[rare kayak]

Well so far I only imaged at home - my setup is constant - must be really crazy for you setting it up at different places - always hassling with your environment

[round marsh]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

will do - never did that actually

[round marsh]

Yeah. I'm going to look into getting a dew shield for it that should help. And like I said getting the ASI533MC Pro and the L Extreme next month

[rare kayak]

You gonna love the 533

[round marsh]

The Dwarf is just for those times I can't be bothered to set up the EQ6R

[rare kayak]

It's a neat little fella

imho is rather more for the live stacking enjoying part of things

[round marsh]

It's also an easy solar setup

[rare kayak]

I edited some images - but it's also a thing of like: is it really worth to edit them so thoroughly? It's just Dwarf footage - so I wanna establish lighter workflows there - not putting that much effort into them

[rare kayak]

solar is defo the most fun so far with it for me

Super easy - and very impressive detail

[round marsh]

Can confirm it works for birds

[rare kayak]

birb

[rare kayak]

raw live stack

360x15secs

[round marsh]

Nice

[rare kayak]

Used SVBony UV/Ir cut and let the internal IR on PASS

Had to manually focus though - so not the best focus here

[round marsh]

it really is pretty good at Solar

i haven’t had much luck with DSO though

[rare kayak]

It's so easy for solar and moon

just hit it with the widefield and on you go

sun with dwarf widefiel camera

[rare kayak]

raw stack - not edited (with Planetary System Stacker)

@round marsh can you confirm or deny the following - when you go to camera settings and switch from binned to unbinned (or the other way round)
you need to reboot for this to take effect?
I think one needs to reboot...
took 2 days in binned mode although I switched from binned to unbinned (between taking vids)

[round marsh]

I think it’s in binned

[round marsh]

I haven’t messed with those settings

[rare kayak]

the above is unbinned

[rare kayak]

this is binned

[round marsh]

So mine is unbinned?

[round marsh]

Which way do I want to do it?

[rare kayak]

I don't know really - if it's 1920 x1080 then yes

look it up in a raw sub

[rare kayak]

Well I would say more resultion is king here

and we talk of very bright objects - like moon and sun

In Astro - it's always binned

No Bin1 in Astro (so far)

So but I just use the usual video funtion

hit record

[rare kayak]

while sun tracking

[rare kayak]

this is binned, yes

you can unbin in camera settings

would be cool if you could try out in a session - if one needs to reboot for taking effect

[round marsh]

Okay, well it's cloudy right now so I will try it again when the sun decides to come back out

[rare kayak]

ye no problem man

It's just a thing which puzzled me

I thought I had turned it to unbin - took vids - and went to settings to have a look - realized it was on bin

switched unbin - and went back to vids

recording

[round marsh]

So I'm assuming it'll look better without the binning

[rare kayak]

yes

you have more resolution

you know binning is combining pixels to a super pixel

like uhm - 4 tiny ones shape a big one

[round marsh]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

for Astro that's nice - cuz big pixels ... gather more light in the same time

more Signal coming through

But for Daytime and Solar Lunar - I would say go unbinned

we just need to know if we always need to reboot for that

That was my initial question 🙂

[round marsh]

So far, I’ve been really unimpressed with it nighttime performance. It is super noisy, even when doing the dark frames and I’m not getting much detail.

[rare kayak]

you got the light pollution around you on them parking lots?

[round marsh]

Well, I’ve been using it at home, which is a bortle six technically, but I’m pretty sure my backyard. It’s not that bad.

[rare kayak]

That's my NAN edit

That's my NAN stack

[rare kayak]

Yeah well it is certainly no match to my other cams - esp like 585 one.
Some targets I also had no real luck or dunno

But some other targets - I am very impressed

A raw Bode's Stack eg

edited M63

It matters a bit which target - it seems like

Elephant Trunk was not good so far

[round marsh]

Yeah I had to restart it

But it worked

[round marsh]

I deselected it but it didn’t go into effect until I restarted the dwarf

[rare kayak]

then we know we gotta reboot to do that - allright - thx for testing this 🙂

Might email them sooner or later - got a little list in my pocket so to speak 😄

[round marsh]

lol

[round marsh]

@rare kayak hows that?

[rare kayak]

heya, looks good, I don't know what Software you use, I use Astro Surface often (comes free). There are some sharpening tools, "HDR" and local histogramm to eg work out the spots a bit more

The false color is always tricky for me too. Mb try to get it more yellowish (turn down blue here? not sure)

[round marsh]

I was using ASTRO surface but never used it before today

Finally got a "decent" DSO

[rare kayak]

thats very nice

don't have such a whirlpool yet lol

[round marsh]

Yeah was 99 15s

Will be interesting to see what pixinsight will be able to do with the data

[rare kayak]

Miy edited ones were done with pix

[idle elbow]

HOW IS YOUR RESOLUTION SO GOOD???////

[rare kayak]

Thx 🙂 this was unbinned. So 4K. And I edited it a tad with sharpening tools, HDR and Local Histo tools in Astro Surface.

[idle elbow]

Sorry, what? IDK how. How did u took 4K on that ching chang chung lookn mf'

[rare kayak]

the sensor is 4K resolution

but for Astromode it bins down to HD

[idle elbow]

Ohh rly?

[idle elbow]

ah

[rare kayak]

so I took just a normal video not in astro mode and made sure that the sensor was unbinned

you know what binning means?

#1055332251791011891 message

4 pixels turned into 1 super pixel

So resolution goes down - but SNR goes up

you would have to shoot around 3 to 4 times longer in astro when you would go unbinned Oo for having kinda the same signal

but for sun or moon - it doesn't matter - cuz those targets: bright enough

[idle elbow]

no, not rly

[idle elbow]

So I can take photos in astro mode, and wont have to deal with binning?

[rare kayak]

https://astrobackyard.com/binning-astrophotography/

[rare kayak]

Dwarf in Astro Mode is Bin2 - so 4 Pixels. Pixel Size will go from 1.45μm up to 2.9μm iirc

So in astromode you take images in HD Resolution but will be way faster as at native 4K

So in Astr Mode it bins automatically - you won't be able to do it in Bin1 atm. But you can drizzle the image afterwards in editing process and then you got a rather 4K image again. 😄

[idle elbow]

So I need to shot the sun in AM, but at what settings? (Gain,...)?

[rare kayak]

No. Not in Astromode! 😄

Astromode means lower resolution.

You want to take a video

ATTACH sunfilters!
Start Dwarf and connect up

1. Go Camera Settings: switch to unbinned mode
   2)reboot Dwarf
   (Dwarf is now in unbinned mode for all but AstroMode, and you only have to do this for this one time, then it stays that way until maybe next firmware upg)
2. slew to sun and center it
3. Turn on feature: Sun Tracking
4. switch tele to eposure 1/200 and gain 0
5. take a video of not more than 5ish minutes (can be repeated)

The video will be .mp4 format - you can convert it in PIPP to .ser

[idle elbow]

okay, so I have 5min of video, what then?(if it is editing I am on mac so idk brother)

[rare kayak]

hmm on mac I am not sure if PIPP would work on Mac
sec

hmm pipp is windows

not sure which prog you could use there

[idle elbow]

I have windows 9 laptop Ill try tommorow

[rare kayak]

Windows 9? 😄

[idle elbow]

idk

[rare kayak]

there is no 9 - but a 7, 10 or 11 ^^

nvm haha

[idle elbow]

macOS with Wine

[rare kayak]

could work

If you able to install Python on Mac

you maybe could use Planetary System Stacker

that one runs on Python

[idle elbow]

Maybe it will work

I hope so

[rare kayak]

Wish you luck. Mac is cool but Mac and Astro is not so cool. Many Programs don't run on Mac in Astr -.-

Got a mac myself

but I use my Windows Laptop

ig wine could work

hope so

[idle elbow]

7 sorry

[rare kayak]

np bro - was just a bit funny cuz they really left out the 9 - oh welp also forgot about that real bad windows 8 haha

so there was 7,8, 10, and now 11

[round marsh]

got this with my Dwarf 2 Last night, Threw it in Pixinsight

[round marsh]

most of them work fine on my M1 Pro... just need to get Parrallels Desktop

[rare kayak]

damn that nice

[round marsh]

yeah it came out decent

the walking noise is somewhat bad... when you send your email ask them for an ability to make bias frames too!
another idea is to use the Wide Angle for PHD and Dither >:)

@rare kayak but im sure thats a pipe dream

[rare kayak]

widefield would need more exposure for that - it's not gaining much signal even when on maxxed for autofocus like in tutorial explained

[rare kayak]

well I read the other day that an API has been kinda released - so there are already coders working on stuff Oo

And btw - I just took my bias like I did darks

but I made em bias

shortest exposure dark frames as to say

took 100

for me more important would be - how to take flats - esp when you have a filter sitting on the dwarf

look at this: https://github.com/DwarfTelescopeUsers

there is defo something cooking for the future 🙂

and I agree that widefield guiding would be awesome - but atm I am more excited for the next big upg - cuz iphone app is still kinda weak on it's legs

[round marsh]

i think with the SeeStar S50 coming they will have to release a new ersion or something

[rare kayak]

In July a new version. As cloudynights says.

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/858911-dwarf-2-general-discussion-of-the-dwarf-labs-refractor/page-23

you might have to skip back a page or it's on the other thread CN has for Dwarf

[round marsh]

oof guess i should have waited to order mine then

[rare kayak]

but like a big overhaul expected in July...

[rare kayak]

nah why

[round marsh]

well new version coming in like a month

[rare kayak]

You can argue that you always can wait for better things or version to come out. True for every product.

[rare kayak]

Software Version ^^

Firmware and App

not Dwarf III

[round marsh]

ohhhhh

[rare kayak]

🙂

@round marsh

Gonna be an exciting year for the Dwarf I bet

[round marsh]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

Dwarf III is not really a thing to crack your brain over

They have only begun to talk internally as they state in some interview

so ig not even a real roadmap exists for it

Just have an idea for taking flats:
I will try to use iphone - with dwarf pointing to zenith - at least when filter adapter is attached I can just place the phone on top with some white paper between it

[round marsh]

That can work but with the way the histogram is that would be a pain

[rare kayak]

I do not have a histogramm in iphone app yet

iphone app is so behind lmao

[idle elbow]

Can I also take better images using unbinning?

[rare kayak]

yes - ubinned = 4K (use it daytime, for solar, for lunar)

[idle elbow]

Demm, u have any moon pics?

[rare kayak]

so ye it will be better unbinned - but keep in mind 4K resolution makes the file size bigger

[rare kayak]

not yet - my last attempt did not work -.-

I could not plate solve for tracking cuz it was cloudy

but in photo or video there is no moon tracking like sun tracking

[idle elbow]

ohhh, sry to hear that

[rare kayak]

and when I hit the sun tracking button - the Dwarf said: sun is below horizon...

[rare kayak]

np there will be opportunities ig

[idle elbow]

what about object tracking?

[rare kayak]

tried on plane - did not work well - have not tried other things - my view outside is not the best (not very far, and closely spaced neighbourhood)

plane might have been too smol in the sky ig

I tried it on moon also - moon might have been to slow

[rare kayak]

do you have your Dwarf already - or is it still on the way to you?

[idle elbow]

No, I have it for 2 months now🙃

[rare kayak]

Have you done some astro images already?

[idle elbow]

No, wather, and I don't know how to do, I love too but I dont know how

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJmdNyEKf0

this is a nice tutorial for astro

for clear weather I cannot help you much but if you got questions about doing astro images you can ask here 🙂

[round marsh]

if you do a video i think it will let you just do a normal track and then you draw a box around the moon

[rare kayak]

well it did not really work at my end - I did this but the it was getting crazy a bit - after a short while it just stopped and I also could not draw a box anymore

[round marsh]

that sucks

[rare kayak]

well I knew from start on it would get buggy - esp with iphone
might set up chrome os or bluestacks sometime

and even then it is under development

so I am not surprised there

ZWO surprised me later - they will have the superiour software - but you cannot quite compare them two scopes really imho

[round marsh]

i think the ZWO one is supposed to be cheaper from what ive heard

[rare kayak]

not cheaper than the Dwarf no

It's a triplet also

[round marsh]

I saw a price of like 399 posted somewhere

[rare kayak]

could have been the starter discount - and the you have to add shipping and vat and prolly customs fee

In my country, ger it's about 700 without discount

Dwarf cost me around 500

EUR

[round marsh]

In the United States, there is no customs fee or VAT

[rare kayak]

well then only shipping

https://astronomy-imaging-camera.com/product/zwo-seestar/

still on discount

will be a cool scope - if you get it for less - I would say why not

[rare kayak]

you pulling the trigger?

[round marsh]

I just bought the dwarf 2

I probably will eventually

[rare kayak]

Ye wouldve been surprised now -

I pulled the trigger on OCAL collimator

still OTW

[round marsh]

I wanted to wait and see reviews of it and what not before I pull the trigger

[rare kayak]

true

although you can be sure it's kinda like apple or samsung releasing a product

there is a certain lvl of trust achieved I mean

And that makes it good - cuz it will bring competition - even mb some more hop on

[round marsh]

Yep

[rare kayak]

90 subs, 15secs per subs: M29

[rain summit]

Is it a good travel deep space rig?

The DWARF II?

[rare kayak]

depends on your expectiations and your ability to carry stuff.
It will approx be the same size as a DSLR in a bag. The whole setup...
So imho, yes. Great portability. And you can carry it in hand luggage when flying to some place...

[rain summit]

So it is worth it

Will it go well with some big and bright dso’s like the M31 or M42? Maybe M45?

[rare kayak]

Dwarflab states that Dwarf can do targets well up to a magnitude of 9.
and yes Andromeda will be nice eg

https://app.astrobin.com/equipment/explorer/telescope/25444/dwarflab-dwarf-ii

here are all targets that have been uploaded to astrobin so far

[rain summit]

And the dwarf 2 is pretty cheap so idk still thinking but i can get it

[rare kayak]

Would it be your first rig? Or do you own already stuff?

[rain summit]

Whoa these are Really nice pics

no but first photography rig

i did only visual cause i am forced to

[rare kayak]

Some were done in EQ mode - which means that they wer aligned to North as well but yea let me show you a picture which a friend did and I got to edit

[rain summit]

Does the dwarf have an EQ wedge? Or is it DIY?

[rare kayak]

No EQ wedge - but I am going to show you what I tried out and it worked also kinda. Just some moms pls 😄

[rain summit]

Okay

[rare kayak]

Ok so this is Rosette - done in one night - friend did this. And I edited it also

He had low Bortle though ^^

This is not even with EQ

[rain summit]

HOLY Thats Wonderful!

I live in bortle 4 So not a problem

[rare kayak]

This is my Bodes

Also only like 2 hours or so

[rain summit]

For that aperture and 2 hours thats impressive!

[rare kayak]

This is how North American Nebula turned out - the raw stack, and then my edit on it

I am in B4 to B5

[rain summit]

Wow

[rare kayak]

Ok so now let me try to configure what I did in order to EQ some moms 😄

[rain summit]

Hmm 45 degree angle?

[rare kayak]

Yeah welp I am at 50ish

[rain summit]

does it have an EQ mode or it continues in alt az?

[rare kayak]

I did not hit Polaris 100% with that - but it's enough imho

[rare kayak]

No EQ mod configuration in software so far

[rain summit]

Ouch

[rare kayak]

Cuiv did a tutorial on how to align it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9rIk6skTU8

[rain summit]

Well thanks i will just need a tripod

[rare kayak]

Yeah that mini tripod that comes along is not the best. So that's why I ordered this wooden one. Berlebach

But yeah any decent tripod will do. Dunno if I would take a ball head though

My configuration was just being lazy on it all. I could place it on a vixen dovetail and a wedge as well but yeah

So imho. If this would be your first astro rig - it is very impressive for what it can, and especially for the price. No DSLR + tracker will give you that performance. Although I gotta admit that a DSLR will have the bigger sensor and maybe more versatility on some targets or fovs for example.

But you get a device that is able to do impressive astro and daylight stuff as well. Imho especially solar is very nice with the dwarf

Sun

[rain summit]

I Mean i have barely any equipment like a DSLR or a good mount

[rare kayak]

yeah that's my point there - you would have to pay a tad more for DSLR + tracker probably even

And a tracker has no real goto like the dwarf has. No live stacking feature like the dwarf has and so on...

No autofocus like the Dwarf has now...

[rain summit]

So Dwarf is my best choice

[rare kayak]

Yeah to be fair there is this ZWO Seestar coming out. In case you did not know. But it is more expensive. It will be heavier.

[rain summit]

Hmmmm I heard something about it

[rare kayak]

In case you don't own a DSLR I would say go for Dwarf. You will get everything in a single move.

Dwarf can do also this out of the box ^^

[rain summit]

Yeah the Dwarf is just an automated tracker with an dslr plus with filters

Well thats very true 😄

[rare kayak]

The plate solve is amazing. It takes almost no time for figuring out where it is on the sky

The filters are decent imho.

Ofc you can skip those stock filters and get some of your own though

But I would recommend the solar ones

There were times - I came home from work - tired. And I wanted to shoot some sun. Put out the dwarf with the filters on. Pressed sun tracking. And started to record. After 10 to 20 minutes the session was done.

Easy af

There were times when weather was not so sure.

I put out the dwarf and gave it a go.

Setup is easy af

And the Software and App - they work on getting it better.

[rain summit]

Dang i want it even more lmao

I cant imagine what happens when i go to tenerife or smth like damn

[rare kayak]

you just have to limit a bit expectations on what it really can do - it will be no triplet crazy sensor astro rig. but it will give you a very good start into astrophotography all the while being super easy to carry and setup

[rain summit]

Yeah not a gdamn Flourite 10k dollar setup

[rare kayak]

There is nothing in that price range that comes close imho.

[rain summit]

After it i guess will get and HEQ5 and then idk i forgor

[rare kayak]

😄 Some nice scope then

[rain summit]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

M63

1 to 2 hours iirc

[rain summit]

image getting like 5 hours

[rare kayak]

field rotation in AZ is crazy though...
5 hours you would have to EQ it

[rain summit]

It will take like 3 nights cause i am getting no astronomical darkness and yeah its an ALT AZ mount

[rare kayak]

but just look at them astrobin images - some dudes did 2 sessions combined - like 2 nights

[rare kayak]

that no astrodark thingy is sadge here too but it is what it is and will be gone in July here 🙂

[rain summit]

Yup

[rare kayak]

Currently we got clouds so I can't do anything at all lol

[rain summit]

Same even rain for me (:

[rare kayak]

BTW I borrowed the Dwarf already to a friend - he went to Azores but unfortunately only had clouds.

[rain summit]

Damn these are the wonders of astrophotography

[rare kayak]

This is also a nice thing. I hope to borrow it again to him so he can get some astro images going

[rare kayak]

Rather have clouds than Laser Shows like last weekend -.-

[rain summit]

😦

[rare kayak]

Fortunately not really at my place but newspapers said they were "magical" and "beautiful" them LASER shows ... -.-

[rain summit]

Light pollution shows these are

[rare kayak]

Yeah - especially when the LP is not needed at all.

Heck I got a neighbour that has kinda like a Christmas garden even now in summer

blinky garden wtf

[rain summit]

I have tons of trees around me cause its an area around a forest D:

[rare kayak]

brb gotta say goodnight to my momsy 😉

[rain summit]

https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/dwarflab-telescope-ap-24-100-dwarf-ii-deluxe-edition/p,77491 I was thinking of this bundle is it good?

[rare kayak]

I got the same, yes. Although I am not sure on the double battery. 1) You can charge through. 2) battery can only be charged with Dwarf, that means you cannot charge the second battery while one is in use (and see 1) )

The rest though - yeah is nice. I love the solar filters. And the UHC filter is decent for the price

[rain summit]

Can i connect it to a charger while its imaging? Pretty stupid here what does the UHC filer do? is it like the light pollution filter?

[rare kayak]

yes that's what I stated in 1)

[rare kayak]

UHC = Ultra High Contrast
And yes it will be good vs lp and give you more nebulosity, look at my NAN for example - that was done with the UHC

[rain summit]

Damn i would probably use the UHC filter

[rare kayak]

Did not know that astroshop sells it now lol

[rain summit]

I will buy it from astroshop cause its the nearest astro store thats sells tons of stuff

[rare kayak]

For galaxies you would probably be better off wihtout UHC and just use a UV/IR cut (either internal Dwarf one OR a filter that you screw on)

[rare kayak]

I ordered mine from dwarflab directly and after that did not follow up on market things there

Ordered it back in December when Dwarf was more like a niche talk back then 😄

I was so impressed by their live stream, that I ordered it straight away - saw the plate solving eg, and also saw how motivated that team is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izZiyRRMelk

this session made me buy it lol

[rain summit]

is the autostacking good and can i extract the data to stack and process it myself?

[rain summit]

I started to think of buying it cause i found it randomly and it looked worth it 😄

[rare kayak]

autostacking is good - could be better, but they work on their algorithm; yes you can extract single frames

it will be FITS format or TIF

[rain summit]

Hm is there a option of selecting RAW to process ir in SIRIL?

[rare kayak]

Well FITS and TIF is raw

😉

[rain summit]

Thanks Mate 😁

[rare kayak]

This is a raw stack - please note that as I am using iphone and no android I could not stretch the curve there yet, because iphone app is behind (they have not implemented curves stretch yet in iphone lol) ...

[rain summit]

I have a samsung and a ipad so many choises 😆

[rare kayak]

They are about to release a new software in July is what I have read

Up till then android is the better choice

And yes sometimes it can bug but then you just restart eg

Software is probably the weakest point. Especially the catalogue is not big atm. They need more targets...

But stellarium and coordinates help - because you can dial them in manually

and goto works well imho

[rain summit]

How long i should image until star trailing appears?

[rare kayak]

depends on how well it is aligned

And also on wind - Dwarf is kinda prone to wind cuz it's very light and the form factor also comes into play

But I mostly did 15 secs - which is max

[rain summit]

15 seconds subs not bad

[rare kayak]

yup not bad at all 😄

check up my NAN - stars are really round there

[rain summit]

Imma save up some money and buy the Dwarf 2

[rare kayak]

Prolly my best Dwarf image so far

[rain summit]

Okay

[rare kayak]

be warned that when you start astrophotography that the risk of wanting moar is high

[rain summit]

Not high but 100 % cause i did a tiny bit of planetary and i want MOAR

I wanna go THICC but money is a mf

[rare kayak]

How old are you?

[rain summit]

13 lol

I am trying a job but lazy as hell lmao

[rare kayak]

I see. Well then save up and make sure that your parents and relatives know of your hobby and drop some hints for christmas or bdays

[rain summit]

My dad loves space 😁 I seen some deep space and the astro bug got me 😆

I actually wanted in the future to get this beast https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/celestron-telescope-astrograph-s-203-400-rasa-800-ota/p,60246

[rare kayak]

Heck yeah.

[rain summit]

It goes well on the HEQ 5 cause not undermounted

[rare kayak]

Astro Buddy of mine here got exactly this last Friday...

[rain summit]

It has a huge fov i mean the moon fits easily in it

[rare kayak]

And I got a C6 with Hyperstar (both used) - which is kinda the cheapo version of RASA 😄

[rain summit]

Mini RASA

[rare kayak]

yup

Did this with it oO

Tulip Nebula

Only 3 hours or so haha

With Dual Narrowband filter though

[rain summit]

Dang thats very good

Its a pain to put filters on rasa ):

[rare kayak]

yes it is - cuz of the backfocus or so

and you cannot use a filter wheel lmao

[rain summit]

Yeah the backfocus is a problem too and you can shoot only in color

[rare kayak]

no you can do mono - my astro buddy here has mono cam

but then you gotta switch them filters manually lmao

[rain summit]

Well its much harder

[rare kayak]

Yeah I use color with my Hyperstar - imho much more comfy

Got no mono cam so far

welp got a mono one - but it's for solar use ^^

[rain summit]

Had some celebrations going on

but moon is pretty

[rare kayak]

big fire lol

moontree 😄

[rain summit]

Yeah the shortest night and longest day

[rare kayak]

Ahhh I see

21st

you from ger?

[rain summit]

Yummy smores btw 😄 Lithuania

[rare kayak]

Oh interesting. I am from ger but we do the same on the 21st.

Well many here do.

[rain summit]

Yup mostly europe

[rare kayak]

Ig it's deriving back to some very old times ^^

Ok well I call it a night now though. If you have any further questions about Dwarfing or so - don't hesitate to ping 😄

But now imma go bed lol

cu around bro

[rain summit]

Good night and thanks 😁

[rare kayak]

np 😄

[rain summit]

Hi @rare kayak sorry to ping

Some people were saying that the Seestar s50 is much better than dwarf but in my opinion the dwarf is kinda better cause its more widefield so you can image larger objects it has more filters and removable batteries

[rare kayak]

Sorry I only saw that now.

Seestar will be better in terms of optics. It is a triplet - the Dwarf is a dublet. So Seestar has less CA (chromatical Aberration).
Also the software of Seestar will be more mature - because ZWO already is in the market with asiair for some years now.
However you are right Dwarf is more wiedefield. It not only has more filters - you can literally use any 1.25" filter you want (if that makes sense or not is another thing)
Dwarf is faster though.
Seestar is at F5ish, Dwarf is 4.2ish
Dwarf will give you some more options on daylight things - and the second camera in Dwarf is super nice for aiming sun or moon or other objects. Seestar doesn't have that.
Also - seestar is less portable than the Dwarf - it weighs almost double and it's size is almost double to triple (depending from what I saw of it on YT)
And it will cost more.
In terms of sensor:
Both sensors have the same size but Dwarf can do 4K images (NOT in astro so far). The seestar sensor is a tad better in specs imho (ASI462)
So, both have their pros and their cons when you weigh them up vs each other - but imho you cannot quite compare them really.
I do not know if seestar battery is removable. Dwarf batteries are removable, yes.

[rain summit]

Thanks for telling my the comparison no other youtuber or anyone did it so well

[rare kayak]

np bro

Both are good scopes

you won't fail if you choose one over the other

I love my Dwarf

[rain summit]

I actually dont know should i get it and what i get from it do i get practice will i enjoy using it and is it worth the money plus how long is the lifespan of the scope until the lenses go bad or the batteries die?

If i want something i gotta know will it be a good and worth purchase and will i enjoy using and having it

[rare kayak]

The lenses of the dwarf are behind a glass unlike seestar

[rain summit]

I have two pretty annoying cats i hope they dont drop it or smth

I mean i still love my kitties

[rare kayak]

The batteries will be like any other battery - at some point they will lose max capacity. It also is a matter of how often you use them and charge them and also a matter of environmental things like temperature and humidity

[rain summit]

If i use it whole year straight temps may wary from -10 up to +30 degrees pretty hot

[rare kayak]

If you care about your stuff you will pack it away into the bag anyways. Not as much dust.

[rain summit]

True

Will i learn or gain practice of astrophotography if i get a solid rig later in the future?

[rare kayak]

yeah and at night temperatures can drop really fast...
So I cannot really tell you how long those batteries will last. But I can tell you that at some point they wont perform like on their first day. That is true for any battery though

[rain summit]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

At least the Dwarf one would be replacable - for the ZWO I don't know - might be replacable too. Not sure there.

Both scopes are able to charge through while being used though.

In terms of practice and learning. Yeah you might not learn as much as with a real rig there. Like with HEQ5 and so on

the alternative in starting would be: DSLR + tracker + laptop/asiair which will cost you more but you might learn more

If I compare those two scopes vs a DSLR + tracker or goto: the learning curve will be less steep and you will have more fun right away - at a certain point you probably want moar (as we already noticed though)

And in terms of cost / performance: both scopes will give you better results right away

and still be a tad cheaper

[rain summit]

Yes but the alternative to a dlsr and a tracker is getting a full blown 8 inch heq 5 setup with Ares C hanging on it

My expectation of a future setup

[rare kayak]

well that would cost way more though

[rain summit]

Yes

Cause the voices in my head are getting loude AGHEm i just want a very thicc setup for high quality pics with a long lifespan of the rig AND short exposures for tons of ppl watching it through a tv

Mini hubble

[rare kayak]

hehe ye we need a personal mini hubble in space, don't we

[rain summit]

We need the entire Astrobiscuit server to build a mini hubble and launch it to space

Or maybe tons of mini hubbles to form the BAT 2.0

[rare kayak]

Well I would say think about how often you travel around places and feel the urge to shoot something. Not necessarily astro also. The more portability you need the more a Dwarf makes sense. If you just stay at home - you could wait a bit longer and get a thiccer setup as well mb.

Dwarf is super portable for real.

[rare kayak]

We need to call Elon Musk now. Make that happen Elon.

[rain summit]

ELON

Scream maybe he will hear us

[rare kayak]

Ok well I am sorry but I will go to bed to get me some sleep now. Can do 2h and then have to pack up my rig ig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgIw6XQbvYs

this channel might help you too

[rain summit]

Ok same gotta sleep its 2 AM and raining for me why am i not sleeping bruh

Oki imma watch it

[rare kayak]

gn^^

[rain summit]

Gn 😁

[rare kayak]

@round marsh and I asked them to provide some more information on filter and QE of sensor - and they provided

sensor is kinda low in the blue though

[round marsh]

Yeah. It has some weird stuff going on sometimes and mine is SUPER noisy

[rare kayak]

yeah I have read at CN thread along and it seems if you wanna have low noise you kinda need to use 30 gain. It also has a real low well depth

But heck - I did not expect it to have crazy crazy specs

[round marsh]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

So I am still happy with that

Ah and I asked them for this internal IR filter - it's IR cut only - so no UV/IR cut

[round marsh]

Originally, I got mine to test it out and see if my dad would be able to use it and I learned very quickly that that won’t happen

[rare kayak]

huh why not?

[round marsh]

It is to finicky

He gets frustrated too easily

[rare kayak]

Hmm I thought it's not finicky - I had a friend visiting me - I instructed him a bit and he went like: game mode engaged and checked things out before I could explain them to him lol

[round marsh]

I’m waiting to see how the seestar is

[rare kayak]

You ordered one?

or wait

[round marsh]

No waiting on reviews

[rare kayak]

hm kay

there will also be this vespera pro although this one is kinda expensive

[round marsh]

Yeah that thing us ridiculous

[rare kayak]

But vespera pro manufacturer states that it can do crazy magnitude

[round marsh]

But my dad doesn’t have a lot of free time and I would need something for him that stupidly simple that doesn’t involve polar aligning and all that stuff

[rare kayak]

oh so far Polar alignment and plate solve was the easiest shit with dwarf for real here

[round marsh]

I’m actually going to be spending the weekend at his place and I’m planning on setting up my telescope and what not with him and showing him how it all works

[rare kayak]

Magnitude 16 they state - which would be damn impressive imho

[round marsh]

When I get my AM5, which I’ll probably do at the beginning of the year I might just give him my EQ6R and my C8

[rare kayak]

Whooa

[round marsh]

Well, when he dies, I’ll get it back 😜

[rare kayak]

lmao

I wish you will have so much more time with yo dad though

[round marsh]

lol yeah

[rare kayak]

How old is he?

[round marsh]

64 I think

[rare kayak]

Allr

Well my dad is dead

[round marsh]

But I’m not sure I can sell my EQ6R it’s got a couple of issues I mean nothing major. The primary one being the hand controller port doesn’t work anymore.

It’s also got some rust on it

[rare kayak]

hmm yeah then it might be better in the hand of your dad - as long as he can carry that mf

[round marsh]

Lol I think his plan right now is to get one of those Astrodome things and like set it up in his backyard

[rare kayak]

sheesh

I'd like such a thing haha

[round marsh]

Yeah would be nice

Right now my C8 is just collecting dust. I tried using it on the truck with me, but it would lose colimation so bad so quick that it wasn’t worth the trouble.

I think if I gave the stuff to him, he might actually use it

[rare kayak]

huh yeah I guess you better be off with an APO there

So now - imma look for some breakfast haha

[round marsh]

ok its like 02:45 here

plan is to get another hour of data and call it a night

[rare kayak]

@round marsh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IliJSEdOdW0

[round marsh]

anything good in it?

[rare kayak]

ye well you can have a bit a look into the new overhauled software

I am almost def and that vid has no subtitles

but you will be able to do bin1 with it

catalogue will be bigger and you might be able to save manually dialed in coords

and so on

we might get timelapse for the widefield

haha Cuiv might test the beta

[arctic minnow]

Anyone want to run down what he means by nyquist sampling? I know what nyquist’s theorem is, I just don’t know how it applies here.

[rare kayak]

ye this

https://astronomy.tools/calculators/ccd_suitability

[round marsh]

Interesting

[arctic minnow]

Ok, but does that actually apply if you’re sampling above the optical resolution of the scope?

[rare kayak]

hmm well it will be oversampled then

[arctic minnow]

I guess he means you oversample at 1x1 binning but scale the final image down to half the width and height, and the end result should be cleaner than doing 2x2 binning, even though the final resolution is the same.

[rare kayak]

hmm I dialed it into the tool now - tool says it still is undersampled though

It would be at 2.99"/Pixel

The sensor Dwarf uses has the same dimension as 462 but 1.45μm pixel size in bin1

[arctic minnow]

I don’t think that’s the right tool, maximum angular resolution is a property of the lens aperture not focal length. I need another coffee before trying to work it out though.

[rare kayak]

you mean like Dawe's Limit?

[arctic minnow]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

according to calculation - Dawe's Limit is at 4.83 arc/secs

R = 11.6/D
D in centimeters, R in arcseconds
where
D is the diameter of the main lens (aperture)
R is the resolving power of the instrument

Dwarf has 24mm -> 2.4cm

11.6/2.4 = 4.83333

[arctic minnow]

Right, so the 2.99”/pixel from the ccd calculator is quite a bit greater the optical resolution of the lens

Whereas if you do 2x2 binning it would be within the optical resolution

[rare kayak]

trying to wrap my head around that now

in bin2 it's 5.98ish"/pixel

unngh

how does seeing apply there also?

Bit confused now lol

[arctic minnow]

So that’s in line with what Cuiv is saying I think and why they originally only had 2x2 binning for astro mode

So IIRC if you try to image at more detail than the optical limit allows you start to see diffraction patterns from the edge of the lens

[rare kayak]

what does that mean now?

diffraction patterns from the edge of lens?

[arctic minnow]

Well normally you don’t want it because it leads to artifacts. Even for visual telescopes it’s a problem. But I guess by Cuiv talking about Nyquist sampling, it means that may not matter.

I’m sure he’ll do a video on it though

[rare kayak]

yeah I bet he will - I am excited for the new software - although it might take some while. They will start beta testing in Aug

You got a Dwarf as well?

[arctic minnow]

No I am just very interested in these little robot scopes 😄

[rare kayak]

Ye me 2

That's why I bought one

I think that this will be more interesting than the ZWO

ZWo will come out and be almost perfect lmao

like boooooooring

not gonna say bad - it will be good

but not much space left for better software and so on ig

[rain summit]

Hello

@rare kayak My dwarf 2 is comin from 2 to 5 days

[rare kayak]

Will be great to see what you can get out of it 🙂

[rain summit]

Yeah cant wait to test it in bortle 3

Got it with the adapter and UHC filter

[rain summit]

YESS ITS COMIN AT 27th !!!!

[rare kayak]

Holy sheeeeesh that's in 2 days 😄
How will the weather be?
Did you get filters for it?

[rain summit]

I have no idea about the weather... Got it with the UHC filter

[rain summit]

Yeah i mean Shipping from poland to me is very fast i mean i am bordering poland

[rare kayak]

we got bad weather at the moment - but welp at least it did rain

I hate clouds less when it rains

[rain summit]

Nope you i wouldnt give shipping location and shipment number info

[rare kayak]

Not needed bro 😄 All good haha

[rain summit]

[rare kayak]

Ha that cam out wrong ig

[rain summit]

Can the dwarf shoot in ha and OII?

[rare kayak]

I meant I don't want you to dox yourself either 🙂

[rain summit]

Yeah

[rare kayak]

With the UHC you will get nebulosity, yes

It's a bit broader than those narrowband images that you might see but still quite nice

[rain summit]

And plus how to get or use the equatorial software or the dwarf does it itself?

[rare kayak]

It will be stronger in Ha than in Oiii though, cuz in blue the Dwarf's sensor is admittedly a bit weak

[rain summit]

I mean cant wait to shoot in Propane filter 💀

[rare kayak]

Nah there is no EQ software for the Dwarf so far. It's Alt Az. But if you mean that you place it on a tripod and align Polar then yes it will figure it out itself

Just have a look on Cuiv's video on Polar Aligning the Dwarf to EQ

[rain summit]

Put a straw locate polaris and get the dwarf do its job. ?

[rare kayak]

I didn't even use a straw so far

But yeah it will do the job - Cuiv tested it that way

[rain summit]

And plus can the dwarf shoot these targets ? (Just wanna know the website doesnt say much)
NGC 7000
IC 1396
Bodes and Cigar
And Crecent nebula.

[rare kayak]

Except 1396 they alreaedy all are in the catalogue

Dwarf will get Software Overhaul - beta Test is in August. So ig the new software is being released in Septemberish

And then you get a better Catalogue as well

That's my NGC 7000 there - so yes

[rain summit]

Maybe they can also make like a synscan type catalog where you select Messier IC or NGC and then put in the number

[rare kayak]

That's the NGC7000 raw stack (live from Dwarf)

[rain summit]

Wow!

Is that with the EQ mode?

[rare kayak]

This was taken with the UHC

[rare kayak]

Uhm nope this was not even in EQ

[rain summit]

Whats the exposure time and bortle i really wanna know what will i get in bortle 3

[rare kayak]

I got Bortle 4 to mb 5

Hmm as for exposure time - don't know really anymore

one night

in summer

so hmm like 3h

[rain summit]

As for now thats the only image if it i have with S21 Ultra

[rare kayak]

That's not bad at all

[rain summit]

Dayum 3 hours? Thats for sure a few nights

[rare kayak]

No it was just one session bro

[rain summit]

Thats a better one

[rain summit]

As a guy who gets barely any complete darkness at summer i say that

[rare kayak]

Oh ye you more N than me ok

The North American was taken in May

[rain summit]

Trees are also a problem for me and they are ded ones too i will get them chopped down soon

[rare kayak]

Also May.

Raw Stack again

This was not aligned that well 😄

[rain summit]

Dayum. Is it the dwarfs aperture that shows a lot of the galaxy but not its details?

[rare kayak]

well I think for this tiny aperture it shows a lot of detail
but also you only have bin2 there so far (bin1 will come with new software)
and it can be seeing as well - I remember it was not the clearest night
Also I might be more South than you but still am North enough to have not that much astrodark already in may

Rather look at the Cigar there

You can see glimpses of the red

[rain summit]

Yeah smh the cigar looks better

[rare kayak]

ye

[rain summit]

When is the Dwarf 3 happenin? I would love to see its optics and features

[rare kayak]

That's gonna a wait ig

[rain summit]

ik

[rare kayak]

They have Dwarf 3 planned and they talk internally about it but keep it secret.
So far they focus on Dwarf 2 software getting better - and that's how I like it

[rain summit]

Yeah the software in ios. We dont talk about it

[rare kayak]

ios software is still behind - but the new software will be so much better i hope

[rain summit]

I use android mostly so it shouldnt be a pain for me

[rare kayak]

in general they gotta work a bit more on their software

[rain summit]

Cant wait to test it on North America

Nebula ofc

[rare kayak]

You going to have fun with it I am sure - also don't miss out on some birb watching

[rain summit]

It should be near Zenith so not much atmo

[rain summit]

Oki

We have more than birb

We have neighbors cat

[rare kayak]

We got too many neighbour cats

I mean I like cats - but they are just too many

[rain summit]

I have two cats and one of em loves escapin

[rare kayak]

haha ye

[rain summit]

Thank god shes still not bringing any animals (rip) (to feed us)

[rare kayak]

well those neighbour cats shit in our garden and sometimes they catch some birbs -.-

[rain summit]

Our neighbors cat brang em a birb and then a alive rat...

[rare kayak]

Welp

That's how cats are often huh

[rain summit]

Yeah my cat also crushed a wasp without smh getting stung in my ROOM

I HATE bugs that fly and can hurt

[rare kayak]

I like bumblebees though

and bees

The rest can leave me alone pls

[rain summit]

hairy and their thicc

[rare kayak]

they are so chill

had a bumblebee hive at the balcony where I set up my scope

And they did not bother at all

[rain summit]

wait they have hives..

[rare kayak]

Some have, yes

Although those hives are not that big

just some hundreds

bees can have hives up to the thousands

[rain summit]

I have fun at night sometimes

I wanna squish

[rare kayak]

lol

Don't

[rain summit]

Them toads looks so soft

[rare kayak]

Yeah but they can release stink

[rain summit]

But i can lick

[rare kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/homero-lamiendo-sapo-homero-lamiendo-sapo-homer-gif-17113818

[rain summit]

Exactly

[rare kayak]

there are some animals which lick centipedes and get high

not joking

lemurs

[rain summit]

Imagine Licking a inscect that has >100 Legs thats Venomous and can kill you just to feel good

[rare kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYXoCHLqr4o

[rain summit]

Thats probably whats gonna happen when the dwarf is imaging and i get bored so i lick my friends weird plant that makes me see rainbows

[rare kayak]

lol don't wanna know haha

[rain summit]

Anyway I hope to Squish out the juices out of that Dwarf 2 with nebulae and galaxies

[rare kayak]

You will - Bortle 3 gonna be amazing

[rain summit]

Yeah. I cant imagine Images in bortle 1

[rare kayak]

ger has no B1 region I think

[rain summit]

You are from Germany?

[rare kayak]

ya

[rain summit]

I am not that far away

[rare kayak]

Where you from?

[rain summit]

Lithuania

[rare kayak]

Ah yeah not far from Poland 😄

Hmm I bet it's nice there

[rain summit]

Weather is meh

[rare kayak]

Weather in Ger is meh too

Probably will get more and more meh

We need more rain

[somber cedar]

Received delivery of my Dwarf II yesterday. Only had a chance late last night to play and got a basic image of the Dumbbell Nebula.
Anyway, I am a newbie and using DSS I'm ok with taking darks, but what are flats, dark flats, oojimaflips etc? Anyone know of a tutorial aimed at Dwarf II user's?

[rare kayak]

never heard oojimaflips so far
you can take dark flats for bias
flats correct things like dustspots and so on

[rain summit]

Hey @rare kayak Just got the Dwarf 2 !

and there is a connection problem

[rare kayak]

what problem?

[rain summit]

Doesnt connect. But i seen a phone update so i am gonna retry rn

[rare kayak]

Also: just try a second time if it does not connect for the first time. I gotta do this often...

[rain summit]

It connects by bluetooth but then nothing happens

[rare kayak]

Hmm I don't use Android but it goes like this for me
connects via blutooth
asks for wifi connect (I hit yes)
says connection failed
I press the X for close
open up BT connect again
asks for wifi connect (I hit yes)
connects

So I kinda always have to press connect twice

[rain summit]

What is happening

Why are there three exact same dwarf 2s

[rare kayak]

that's just the software bro - either you close this and wait a tad there then hit it up again or you just choose one out of the two

[rain summit]

YEESSSSS

I connected it

The autofocus is just

[rain summit]

Ah theres a little thingy mayb a gimball on the tripod. Can i use it for the eq mode?

[rare kayak]

well hm yeah you can do so - although this tripod is a little bit cheap

you would have also to check if it balances well in EQ mode - could be too light?

[rain summit]

The dwarf itself is kinda heavy to lean that tripod

[rare kayak]

yip is probably not the sturdiest setup for EQ

[rain summit]

Today it shows a clear night maybe i can test the dwarf but i am in town with like bortle 7 or 8

[rare kayak]

well then test it with the UHC on

[rain summit]

Yeah sure

[rare kayak]

but you will have to

uhm the astro calibration

you need to do it without the lens adapter and UHC

[rain summit]

I know it may damage it

[rare kayak]

not only that - it goes completely bonkers with it 😄

That was my first crazy fail with Dwarf

[rain summit]

Rave with dwarf

[rare kayak]

haha ye

[rain summit]

Wow it came with 66% battery and after some test images its at 50%

[rare kayak]

ye battery drains a tad faster than I expected - true

but as long as you got a power bank it won't matter

[rain summit]

I have a thicc one with solar panels so at day it will charge itself while at night will charge the dwarf

[rare kayak]

ok then
just make sure you charge it with USB A to USB C
My USB C to USB C Powerbank: drains the Dwarf and charges itself Oo

But is ok when I use the USB A to USB C with it

[rain summit]

oh

okay then

[rare kayak]

Haha ye I was like WTF seeing the % going down

swapped cable and then it was fine

ig that's my powerbank though

not the Dwarf's fail

[rain summit]

Chargin him rn

Hes smaller then expected but also bigger

[rare kayak]

that's with my big power station ( USB C to USB C works with it)

[rare kayak]

just a neat little fella, aint he? 😄

[rain summit]

😋

[rain summit]

Yeah

Cute lil mini dwarf 2

[rain summit]

That looks a little too cursed

[rare kayak]

ikr

[rain summit]

Can i shoot dsos with wide angle lens

[rare kayak]

Made this back when I got it and showed it to a friend and he was like

[rare kayak]

nope - maybe MW after the software update (not sure if they work on this)

I wanna have timelapse for wideangle...

[rain summit]

Thats for some milkyway or barnards loop or smth

The dso wideangle

[rare kayak]

ye but so far exposure time for wideangle is only 1s and - welp lets say it won't work so far 😄

[rain summit]

When you hold the dwarf from the sides and your finger on the power button it feels like a camera

[rare kayak]

bruh

[rain summit]

why

[rain summit]

What is going on with my dumbell

[rain summit]

Any way fixin this without any post proccesing?