🔥Hot Takes🔥

[candid river]

Smc just looks like a lmc without a core and not shape and just a blob

@fossil barn these are lmc’s dust they don’t look like normal galaxies dust rings bc lmc is a irregular galaxy

[fossil barn]

Hmm

Yea

[fossil barn]

*stars *

[candid river]

show me a star cluster that looks like lmc if it does I’ll believe you ok

[candid river]

Yea just like every other galaxy and nebula has

They aren’t just stars too that’s dust and nebulas

[candid river]

What the

how does that at all look like lmc besides the fact they both have stars

Is it cuz it has a lot of stars ?

[fossil barn]

Densely packed stars

Looks like a star cluster to me

[candid river]

Idk I’m mildly just confused cuz lmc is big so it’s easy to see lots of stars in it but I don’t see any resemblance in looks wise sure they both have lots of stars but every galaxy does..

[candid river]

ok if you ignore the tarantula like you said does it still look star cluster like, I’m using a better example as this is well processed and b2 and got I think a filter to make it nicer

When you don’t have a high fl I understand how tarantula makes the image good but look at all these other nebulae that look really cool around tanratula

[fossil barn]

without tarantula its nothing

[peak drum]

Not really a hot take but imagine if we never learnt that taking an exposure will reveal more than just with your eye, which means instead of people competing to have most integration in a target, people compete for the most stupidly fast systems out there (for visual use) (also, ik people do this anyways lmao)

[unborn crown]

Lmc is way cooler than smc imo

The fact you can image a nebula on this galaxy is just awesome

[unborn crown]

Maybe, but it’s there to stay (in our lifetimes at least) so it’s awesome.

[peak drum]

Ikr, smc has some nebulosity but nothing compared to lmc

[fossil barn]

LOL smc is all nebula

[subtle drift]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[fossil barn]

smc

[fossil barn]

@peak drum

[peak drum]

Yes?

I know SMC has nebulosity but then it doesn't look like galaxy, lmc is just better

[fossil barn]

Lmc lame

[peak drum]

Says the person who has never seen it irl

[misty marsh]

SMC is sick narrowband, broadband the nebula is too low contrast to image.

arguably better that LMC but LMC wins for variety of objects

[keen breach]

smc is epic

i always thought it was better than lmc

lmc is still cool though

[fossil barn]

lmc is a star cluster with nebula

[inner aurora]

Lmc is a Dwarf galaxy

[fossil barn]

Lmc is a satellite galaxy

[inner aurora]

Both a dwarf satellite galaxy

[keen breach]

DSS is best stacker since v5.1 update

free fast and good

[manic elbow]

It may be wonky and slow and difficult

But wbpp is damn good

[keen breach]

My wallet disagrees with this statement

I have pix but I'm complaining anyways

I'm too lazy to stack in pix

And will find any reason not to

One thing pix will never have is simplicity in stacking

With DSS I can load my images and walk away

And it does a good job

[hearty cloud]

That's all you do in pix though!

Out everything in their corresponding slots, hit run

[keen breach]

yeah well its not worth the effort to double click the pix icon

i would rather open dss

or siril

even siril is more simple than pix

honestly I'm just making up any excuse NOT to stack with pix

[fossil barn]

dss>pix

stacking

[keen breach]

no i admit pix is better but i refuse to use it

[fossil barn]

yeah will i dont and i refuse to use it

[manic elbow]

Same tbh, it takes 12h to run on my pc

But its definitely better

[keen breach]

yes its so slow

[fossil barn]

ioptron ball head the krispiest ball head or else

facts

facts

[floral echo]

alternative: dont use a ball head

[fossil barn]

shushush get tracked kid

jk lol

but do its awesome

[floral echo]

im working on it

[fossil barn]

progress?

[floral echo]

should only be a few more weeks

[fossil barn]

ooooooooo nice

[floral echo]

i think ill probably get swsa gti instead of eqm35 because ive changed up the rig i want

[fossil barn]

will it be half the weight limit?

[floral echo]

i plan on getting a redcat 51 instead of a newt and eqm35 would be oversized

[fossil barn]

abt

[floral echo]

easily yeah

[fossil barn]

ah ok well oversized is fine if you can afford it cause you can always upgrade

[floral echo]

yeah but ive been saving for a long time already, ill just upgrade the mount eventually

[fossil barn]

yeah just keep it nice and you can sell it

[floral echo]

and also ive realized how bulky the eqm is, being able to squeeze it on a trip is important to me

[fossil barn]

ah yeah

[floral echo]

i might buy it new, not that expensive and its easy to resell

[fossil barn]

yep

[hearty cloud]

💯

[fossil barn]

widefield

[normal bay]

polar aligning with a polar scope is quickly becoming obsolete with sharpcap/TPPA

[pure spear]

That’s not a hot take

Polar scopes are unreliable

[fossil barn]

no u

[pure spear]

????

[hearty cloud]

/asiair

[fossil barn]

so my friend said two point polar alignment is impossible/ or im just doing three point wrong but thats literally what the asiair does right?

[hearty cloud]

The asiair can do a traditional polar alignment sharpcap style OR tppa

[fossil barn]

interesting

[misty marsh]

Not obsolete. It’s still very handy for travel.

[fossil barn]

Real.

[peak drum]

Two point doesn't exist because the computer can't triagluate off only 2 points, the asiair, like @hearty cloud said, can do both normal pa with like sharpcap, or TPPA (Three point pa) (I am that friend btw lol)

[peak drum]

[unborn crown]

It’s called triangulate for a reason!

[fossil barn]

which more accurate

[peak drum]

[fossil barn]

tell me or i wont image markarian chain tonight

[peak drum]

Bruh

Two point doesn't work so it isn't more accurate

In fact it's impossibly inaccurate, you can't get any precision

[normal bay]

One point polar alignment

Point at Polaris using eyeballs

Ez

It’s cheap, easy, and fast!

[fossil barn]

fr

[fossil barn]

ah no mine doesnt triangulate it uses its big brain

it say hmm well it moved this far from the first point that means its 100 degrees from correct

[fossil barn]

do not image leo triplet

[normal bay]

Chicken

You can just… go around and find random unnamed hydrogen and name it btw

Find some pillars? Name it the CNB nebula

[inner aurora]

Some other "Opinions" made send because they were the opposite of some popular opinions, but this why just what...

[fossil barn]

i lost 92% of my braincells reading that

[inner aurora]

Bro it es 7 in the morning what are your expectations

[fossil barn]

Ah i can definitely understand that

i hate mornings

[normal bay]

Oh no don’t let Godzilla read this

[normal bay]

Nooooo

[green salmon]

same

[fossil barn]

Everything>clipped background

[floral echo]

how is that a hot take

[keen breach]

Cap

I would prefer a decent image with a clipped background to a over topazed basically AI generated astro image

[fossil barn]

No

[fossil barn]

This

He say

[manic elbow]

Just don't stretch as far then tbh

It'd look better than both

[jolly oak]

this is 🧊 take

❤️‍🔥 take is like ''i like seeing pictures with a clipped background because it is like the dark in space if you look out a rockets window''

( I do not think this)

[obsidian bloom]

sho palette looks garbage

[floral echo]

that is definitely a hot take

[shell quartz]

hubble palette is ugly

[arctic rose]

Nah, I think it can look nice sometimes... like when Hubble does it but I do think it is overused and overdone by amateurs and often it is not done well which gives it a bad reputation

[keen breach]

IT DOES

[fossil barn]

Then yell at zegery he disagrees

[valid oriole]

Hot take: SHO is the best narrowband palette

[subtle drift]

HOO imo

[valid oriole]

that's 2nd place for me

[random musk]

Upside down running man nebula looks like the eagle nebula

[manic elbow]

Best take

HOO is so cool

Probably because it's the closest to a natural look

[fossil barn]

i agree

[fossil barn]

looks like a nurse shark

[hearty cloud]

[inner aurora]

Astrosurface is better for planetary and lucky imaging deep sky then Autostakkert

And nobody has ever used registax for stacking.

[keen breach]

If you use registax for stacking

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-gif-23165146

Watermelon pet about to say "registax > all stackers"

[native parrot]

For planetary I’d say they’re identical, Astrosurface is definitely better at dsos tho.

[inner aurora]

Watermelon will say registax is best for ds narrowband stacking

[fossil barn]

Dss*

[narrow summit]

YES.

[brazen wedge]

Photoshop best for planetary stacking

[fossil barn]

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[jolly oak]

pencil and paper is better for stacking. go pixel by pixel. you mustnt trust strange photoshop code

' 10 x 2 minute orion nebula '
https://www.elite.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/stacks-of-paper.jpg

[brazen wedge]

Love the detail. The stacking really brings out the layers of orion nebula. And the sharpness is paper sharp

[fossil barn]

and you dont got to worry about compression

[inner aurora]

EAA is a little bit wird, just du Astrophotography or Visual, not some wird mixture.

[fossil barn]

frrrrrrrr

[normal bay]

lucky imaging DSOs for the vast majority of people is just copium to make up for poor gear combos/choices

[arctic rose]

Hot take: The Orion nebula can actually be a pretty difficult target - it is very difficult to get the faint dust around it while also making sure that the core isn't overexposed, I the brightest part is the most difficult to get right...

[fossil barn]

💀

[arctic rose]

It can be done but most of the images I see look unnatural somehow, idk

[fossil barn]

in what way

[arctic rose]

Didn't want to use anyone's in the server so I found this online. To me, somehow the nebula part look weird eventhough the picture as a whole looks fine.

[inner aurora]

It's over sharpened

[fossil barn]

Yep

[floral echo]

It’s hard to process well, very easy target overall though

I mean anybody good at processing galaxies will do fine

[fossil barn]

ezzzzzz

[cedar maple]

Its true

m42 is extremely high in dynamic range

the trapezium is very easy to blow up and clip

[cedar maple]

you can get it to look like this by adaptive forms of stretching or helpful tools like HDR multiscale transformation in pix

[inner aurora]

Sometimes a clipped background can look good

[hearty cloud]

I see a clipped background and automatically think "there's data being left on the table"

[floral echo]

I do the opposite, I think “what are they trying to hide”

[keen breach]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-running-me-when-im-late-tom-hanks-gif-5144739

[fossil barn]

wronk

never

[fossil barn]

show ONE example

[inner aurora]

Comparison

[fossil barn]

bottom one better by alot the colors are better in the tops galaxy

[peak drum]

You know the truth, you just say the complete opposite to annoy people

The top one is better

[fossil barn]

Idk wym I always say the truth

[peak drum]

@misty marsh...

[fresh fiber]

Motor drives you put in manual mounts are underrated

There may not be a lot to them but I still never see people say one thing abt them

[fossil barn]

AYO DELETE

[inner aurora]

I did have a eq1 with motor drive and could do at least 30s subs at 300mm... Without being able to do exact polar alingment...

[cedar maple]

the bottom is better, the top one has horribly compressed highlights

[shell hatch]

plot twist

[fresh fiber]

See that’s what I’m saying, I can keep an object centered for more than 10 minutes. It’s like having a star adventure

To polar align I just point my mount near Polaris no polar scope or apps

[inner aurora]

Big difference is the price, I paid 40€ for the mount with the Motor... XD

[fresh fiber]

The motor I got was like 62 dollars and the mount was probably around 200

[inner aurora]

Astro isn't this expensive

These are Picture with 100€ equipment, and there all are under an Hour of time.

So I could have produced much better pictures with more clear time and experience...

[fossil barn]

Real.

[fossil barn]

Your get what u pay for

[obsidian prairie]

there isnt a more beautiful piece of the sky than the elephant's trunk

[obsidian prairie]

this should be the saying instead of "you dont have to be rich to do astro". sure you can do astro for 0€ with your phone but guess what youre going to be getting results light years away from what someone with a planewave will get, heck even the differences between dslrs and dedicated acs cameras is massive

[inner aurora]

Bro like most of the galaxies are way more beautiful

[obsidian prairie]

lemme pull up a good elephant's trunk image and a good galaxies image

the bode's is from bray falls and the elephant's trunk is from gazingoutwards

one (bode's) is taken with I think a 14in rc and the other is with a 75mm astrograph refractor

[subtle drift]

Bodes good

Elephant still is cooked

[floral echo]

honestly i disagree on both fronts, i like elephant processing more than bodes

tbf i feel like the bright pink ha on bodes is kinda ruining it

[shell quartz]

wrong, it looks good 👍

[floral echo]

its so much brighter than the rest of the galaxy though

[shell quartz]

this may or may not be a hot take

[subtle drift]

@rough prawn

[shell quartz]

I think it's sexy tho, seeing star forming regions in other galaxies

[fossil barn]

Wronga

[rough prawn]

@subtle drift what

[subtle drift]

Thoughts @rough prawn

[rough prawn]

the bodes is nice the trunk is dog

too much denoising on that b

and that 14in rig isnt even his.. like its owned by someone else and he just plays with it to promote sierra remote obs

i think

[obsidian prairie]

shouldve noted that trunk isnt full res since I couldnt find the original I could only find promotional compressed images on radians site which prob makes it look over denoised

[rough prawn]

oh god not the radian site

nit the opt site

look for IOTDs from last year or 2 fro good images

in astrobin

[peak drum]

not astro hot take but dogs>cats

[shell quartz]

incorrect

[floral echo]

im more of a cat person

[fossil barn]

HAH 3-1

[peak drum]

But other than entertainment, cats are practically useless. Dogs actually can have jobs and be productive

[fossil barn]

as pets cats are better

as slaves sure dogs can be trained better 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨

[subtle drift]

Lol cats will murder you the first chance they get

[fossil barn]

My cat doesnt even use his claws when playing

that only happens if you try to own your cat

[peak drum]

dogs arent slaves, my mothers dog works for my mum literally for fun. Also cats kill over 30 billion animals per year compared to dogs kill only around 30,000 animals per year

[fossil barn]

So? nature lol that happens

and whos watching every cat and everything they kill

[peak drum]

cats were introduced into many countries and are the main pest, take new zealand for example, about 1000 years ago it was completely pest free with no preditors, since the arrival of european people, they introduced rats, which killed birds, so then they brought ferrets to kill said rats, now ferrets are a problem, so they brought in cats to kill ferrets, cats are currently one of the biggest pests of nz

[fossil barn]

skill issue

[peak drum]

...

[misty marsh]

Yes 100%

[misty marsh]

Same in au. I hate cats

[peak drum]

I'm not alone!

[shell hatch]

you can earn the trust of dogs easily. But for a cat you have to work hard, only then will it trust you.

[peak drum]

Is that a good or bad thing

[shell hatch]

ig both

cuz if a cat trusts you then it really trusts you

[misty marsh]

cats dont have a caring instinct like dogs do

[shell hatch]

they do

[misty marsh]

dogs are pack animals, they rely on others much more than cats

[fervent raven]

Only for their babies tho

[shell hatch]

just that they think you are another cat/kitten and need to be taken care of

[misty marsh]

they are a solo animal

[shell hatch]

ye

[fervent raven]

My cat thinks she's the one who needs to be taken care of, won't leave me tf alone and demands petting

[shell hatch]

but imo, cats are slightly better than dogs

[fervent raven]

She's 14 years old and has some sort of cat dementia 💀

[misty marsh]

dogs have the pack instinct, so they actually care about you.

[misty marsh]

your opinion is wrong.

jk

[shell hatch]

some cats follow their owners to the bathroom

[fervent raven]

And cats are generally cleaner animals

[shell hatch]

like so that they can protect them

[fervent raven]

They're much lower maintenence

[shell hatch]

ye true

also coming to astro

[misty marsh]

my old cat was horrible

[fervent raven]

That's a skill issue and a half

[shell hatch]

large dogs can knock over your rig while cats cant'

[fervent raven]

Yeah that's very true - he says with three Bernese mountain dogs

[misty marsh]

cats will sit on your rig. which is worse

[shell hatch]

more stability

[fervent raven]

Where tf they sitting lmc??

Where is there to sit on an AP rig?

[shell hatch]

prob camping on the tracker

[misty marsh]

tripod tray

[shell hatch]

or the dew heater

[misty marsh]

inside your 12" newt

[fervent raven]

Lower center of gravity ez

[misty marsh]

your guiding gets worse when it purrs

[fervent raven]

Unless you've got a shitty Amazon basics tripod, probably not

[shell hatch]

thats actually more stability lol

except if they move

[fervent raven]

I think you overestimate how powerful a cats purring is

[misty marsh]

still, i have had multiple cats and multiple dogs, the dogs are farrrr nicer to you.

[shell hatch]

simple solution imo is to suspend the tripod tray on springs to absorb vibration

[fervent raven]

On rubber pads

[shell hatch]

they coexist?

[fervent raven]

They do indeed

[shell hatch]

nice though

[fervent raven]

My cat and three dogs coexist nicely

[misty marsh]

well our old cat used to

[fervent raven]

My cat was incredibly chill until she got dementia or whatever

[misty marsh]

ive looked after probs 5 foster dogs and 8 cats. all the cats shat on the carpet. the dogs licked you and slept next to you.

[shell hatch]

how though

[misty marsh]

my cat had diabetes

[shell hatch]

*and peed on the carpet

cats shit, dogs pee

[misty marsh]

actually no

[shell hatch]

im mostly neutral but lean more towards cats

[fervent raven]

Opposite with my cat

[shell hatch]

because they are smol

[fervent raven]

My dogs aren't actually allowed in my room either

But they usually push my parents off their bed

[shell hatch]

see

[misty marsh]

ive had chill cats too. nice but still not the same love as a dog

[shell hatch]

you can accomodate cats anywhere

only exception is pocket dogs

where you can literally stuff them into your pocket

woudnt recommend that

[fervent raven]

I hate small dogs, so yappy

[misty marsh]

yea

[shell hatch]

why?

[fervent raven]

Because they're yappy

[shell hatch]

oh they yap

[fervent raven]

And typically more aggressive

[shell hatch]

well voice changer ig

[fervent raven]

Chihuahua compared to saint Bernard cuzzy who's eating a child

[shell hatch]

nah, they are actually cute

[fervent raven]

Nah

[shell hatch]

who named chihuahua

[shell quartz]

Dog owners think their babies are perfect and could never do any wrong

Cat owners accept their overlords

[rough prawn]

bruh wtf are you talking about

[fossil barn]

That means you tried to be your cats owner

[native parrot]

Rookie mistake

[manic elbow]

Dogs>>>cats

100%

Both are great but dogs are much better

Plus I'm quite allergic to cats so they make me die whenever I'm near them which isn't fun

[fossil barn]

I don’t die but I sneeze of cats

[shell quartz]

how did you discover you die when you go near cats?

[green salmon]

Dogs will care more about you, than your cat. Your cat would eat you if it could.

[shell quartz]

So would dogs, just dog owners refuse to admit it

[green salmon]

Most dogs are fully capable of eating a human tbh.

The small ones cant

[manic elbow]

...I don't actually die

But I went to cousins who have multiple cats and was in pain the whole time

Lots of sneezing and itching

Then I get home only to realize the cats had temporarily murdered my immune system so I immediately got sick

[chilly bear]

Can I be honest with you

Wait did you take that?

[cedar maple]

?

First image was just something I found online bottom image is a screenshot from stellarium

[chilly bear]

Ohhhh ok 😂

I thought you took that

That’s a crazy image right there

[cedar maple]

lol

[fossil barn]

“Ugly”

[fervent raven]

More consistent

[floral echo]

ok thats an exceptional image

if you look at a more typical one it really isnt that great

i mean i wouldnt say its ugly but other galaxies are way better

[shell quartz]

other galaxies are hard tho

too small

[cedar maple]

It seems like ones with low integration look like a floppy fried egg

seriously

[floral echo]

yeah

[cedar maple]

but then with more integration you start to get the glow on the bottom edges of the galaxy which makes its shape look nicer

[floral echo]

doesnt change the fact that they look so much better than andromeda

[fervent raven]

M33?

[shell quartz]

too faint

[fossil barn]

Well your right but my point is it can be a absolutely insane image with some dedication

[floral echo]

If he put that much time into something else it would be way better lol

[fossil barn]

I wouldn’t say that

Well Actually yeah

[sudden shore]

yoo miko

havent seen ya in a while

[fervent raven]

Nah

[fervent raven]

Hello

[sudden shore]

i got a coma corrector and guiding cam is in customs

major imrpovements coming

[fervent raven]

W

[sudden shore]

how bout u

sold the 130?

[sudden shore]

and if so, did ya get the $$$ you were lookin for

[fervent raven]

Yep

[sudden shore]

nniceee

[fervent raven]

Mount is going this week

Hopefully

[sudden shore]

ooo

what you switching to

[fervent raven]

Az GTi

[sudden shore]

ive heard very nice stuff from it

[fervent raven]

If you get a good unit, certainly

[fossil barn]

svbony= L ratio

[rough prawn]

you get what you pay for.. simple as that

[fossil barn]

Fr

[native parrot]

Svboner

[obsidian prairie]

I have a cat and a dog and I can confirm that they do as much as dogs

[fossil barn]

Fr

[narrow summit]

I never understood why people loved this nebula so much and I still don't

[narrow summit]

THIS

[narrow summit]

Saying that on an astro server where most people are probably introverts is a bad idea

[narrow summit]

Like barking at everyone for no reason?

[peak drum]

oh I full well know

[peak drum]

only dogs of people who dont know how to train them properly bark randomly

[narrow summit]

The problem is most people don't know how to train their pets properly

[peak drum]

exactly, humans shouldnt have any pets, its cruel basically

well, I guess some animals are saved by humans

but

yk what I mean

[narrow summit]

I'm convinced there should be a kind of formation before anyone is allowed to have a pet

[narrow summit]

Yep

Having a dog (or basically any other animal) you educated well, you respect and you let go in nature enough is fine but those people that have no idea how to raise their pets so they hit them all the time because they aren't "good slaves" and they keep it locked up in their city appartements all day...

And they end up leaving them on the side of the road because they realise a pet is an actual living being that have feelings, needs and requires some investment

[peak drum]

yeah I have this huski-lab mix and when we picked her up from her old house, she had been in a closed off room for over 5 hours without airflow or food or water

This is her now, much healthier and happier

[obsidian prairie]

orions facing up usually look a lot nicer than the ones facing to the side

[random musk]

unique choose of editing style

[fossil barn]

It’s called narrowband

[rough prawn]

its called false color

[fossil barn]

Both

[manic elbow]

It's called supremely funky

It obviously has either siii or more likely ha, alongside oiii (I think?) But there's no red nebulae in the galaxy itself

Probably used some wild subtraction method

Or I'm just being dumb

...I'll be honest it isn't the image I'd pick if I were looking for my favorite m31 😅

Neat style, just not my thing

Narrowband addition for that target is insanely cool, but also insanely hard to get right

[fossil barn]

Iyop

[brazen wedge]

Andromeda looks great as long as you get the fainter parts out. And the ha even if just a bit of it

[floral echo]

Yeah but if you sink the same effort into something else it would be way cooler

[shell quartz]

nah a really good andromeda is gonna be way sexier than a much harder target with the same effort

[brazen wedge]

Quite a bit of other targets (especially galaxies) will look like shit at the same focal lenght and exposure time

There is really not that much efford required for a good andromeda shot

[floral echo]

And the result is an andromeda shot that looks the same as everybody else’s

[brazen wedge]

It is the same with other target tho....

For example orion nebula

[floral echo]

I also think Orion is overrated

But I think you can have a unique image for lots of targets

Especially in narrowband

[brazen wedge]

Not rly overrated. It is just that m31 and m42 are big and bright. Great for beginners

[manic elbow]

Orion is definitely one of the best constellations as a whole

Just a ton of variety

[floral echo]

oh yeah the constellation is great but i think m42 is kinda ugly

[tulip trout]

Absolutely, it has one of the most beautiful nebulas (if not the most) “the angel nebula” which rarely gets attention

[brazen wedge]

I mean.... Apparently it is quite hard to image

Could be wrong tho

[manic elbow]

It requires a fairly high fl

Absolutely beautiful though

Kinda almost reminds me of a tiny rho

[candid river]

Sun>moon imaging

I find sun imaging way more fun as there’s almost something new everyday

Plus h alpha sun images are so stunning

[unborn crown]

Waaaaaay more expensive tho

Plus could be super dangerous if you don’t know what you’re doing

Moon just needs a widefield scope

You can also get nice earthshine images and mineral moons

[inner aurora]

You need way more expensive equipment to get good sun images, as good moon images.

But yes the H Alpha stuff is really sick

[candid river]

You can still get good white light stuff and that’s very cheap to get

[rough prawn]

yeah minimim like 1000$ for a decent solar scope

like lunt 40mm

[peak drum]

It's me again, I have another argument to start. Which side to craft a minecraft axe? Do you do the blade to the left, or to the right?

Personally I do left but that is because of muscle memory

I loose seconds doing right side

[shell quartz]

left

clearly

[rough prawn]

minecraft.. dead game

[shell quartz]

better than the 2d variant

[cedar maple]

was great when it was old but got ruined with too many updates

[manic elbow]

Terraria>minecraft fight me

[shell quartz]

I will.

but also I gotta play geometry dash

[keen breach]

you're absolutely right

terraria fans rise up

[shell quartz]

that's just microsoft

imagine choosing to play the 2d low res remake of the most popular game of all time

[keen breach]

It's not even a remake the games aren't comparable

The only similarity is that they're both block games

[shell quartz]

😦

I wanted to be hank schrader but apparently the funny spaceship game is banned here

[keen breach]

Among us?

[shell quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_j8oRi-rY

[keen breach]

That game is dead

[shell quartz]

I wanted to quote that

but s*s is banned

[keen breach]

Its banned for a reason

[vernal flame]

Someone called?

[keen breach]

I didnt say anything

[shell quartz]

I said a bad word 😦

[cedar maple]

https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-gif-26144770

[manic elbow]

No way

There's no way that's banned

Bro

This has gone too far

[vernal flame]

It was banned for at least 2 years

You just discovering that now

[manic elbow]

How did I not know im

Haven't been here that long lmao

I mean I get why it is

People are...

But also what has society come too

[inner aurora]

Age of empires II (definitiv Edition) is THE best video game.

[misty marsh]

Terraria enters the chat

[inner aurora]

Ksp is currently way better then Ksp2

[manic elbow]

My personal favorite game is hollow knight

Dark souls 1 and terraria are up there too

[brazen wedge]

Tf2 is superior (pls dont bully me pleaseeeee)

[shell quartz]

geometry dash is clearly one of the games of all time

although I like satisfactory more I just can't stop playing GD

[fossil barn]

Mh idkkkk ark>>>>>> just cuz

[keen breach]

"hot take"

[inner aurora]

Rack and Pinion > Crayford focuser

[native parrot]

Bro 💀

[fossil barn]

Dual speed focuser is way better than single speed

💀

[inner aurora]

🗿

[rough prawn]

triplespeed focuser is better than dual speed

[fossil barn]

Mkay

Well mkay

[shell quartz]

I got my 6 speed gearbox attached to the focuser

took it out the car

[narrow summit]

Nah it's objectively not

[narrow summit]

Yeah I agree
It went from legendary to simply good imo

But it still has so many possibilities

Some people created a Redstone computer capable of playing Minecraft or raytracing... And I'm currently working on a calculator

[valid oriole]

calling it dead is just objectively wrong when it still has the most monthly players

[random musk]

for comparison lol

[valid oriole]

dang

[fossil barn]

fr

[inner aurora]

@fossil barn would use a Hyperstar with a Dslr...

[fossil barn]

Is that a question or a statement?💀

[inner aurora]

I would say statement

[fossil barn]

Dslr would take up too much space and not work

[inner aurora]

Who are you, and why do you have his account

[keen breach]

Watermelon pet said something that ISN'T an incorrect hot take??

[shell quartz]

Starless pics look ugly

[cedar maple]

sometimes

[brazen wedge]

Wrong + bad opinion + wrong again

[fossil barn]

• ratio

[steel basin]

Yeah lmao, I've beat 110 demons in that game, including 4 insane demons

[floral echo]

give watermelon their account back

[manic elbow]

Depends

If it's a bad image, not having stars usually just makes the bad things more noticeable

Otherwise they look pretty sick, though I generally prefer stars

[floral echo]

depends on how good your stars are

[manic elbow]

That's too lmao

[arctic rose]

I wouldn't say ugly or at least not always, they are a bit weird and especially unnatural though

[shell quartz]

It appears that was a successful hot take

[normal bay]

Truckers shouldn’t legally be allowed in the left lane of a highway

[rough prawn]

only in some circumstances they can ... such as avoiding slower vehicles etc..

[floral echo]

People in the UK:

[normal bay]

In my state they’re consistently the slowest vehicle

[arctic rose]

Yeah, I was so confused

[wet grotto]

Does the speed of vehicles vary between regions

[normal bay]

In the US yes

In OK, there’s a cryptid that looks exactly like a lifted pickup truck, and it appears behind you in the left lane no matter how fast you’re going in said lane.

And it rides your butt until you get over

Even if you’re going 20 over

[fossil barn]

🗿

[fossil barn]

🗿🗿

NASA’s processing is bad

[rough prawn]

huh

u good

@fossil barn since when is this considered bad ?!?!?!?

[fossil barn]

Sometimes is bad

[rough prawn]

huh

share an example

[fossil barn]

Wolf rayet star

[rough prawn]

image...

[fossil barn]

[wet grotto]

it's out of collimation, bad coma, out of focus

[rough prawn]

no

if you cant prove it yourself dont even try

[wet grotto]

what's wrong with the processing?

[fossil barn]

[rough prawn]

@fossil barn its infrared.. do you expect some dust behind it , its pure blackness of space at those focal lenghts .. get a grip

its literally detecting HEAT ...

[fossil barn]

Nah but it’s clipped and if it’s clipped it’s garbage

[rough prawn]

no

[fossil barn]

Idc what it’s detecting

[rough prawn]

it all depends on the target

[fossil barn]

It’s garbage if it’s clipped

[wet grotto]

what's clipped

[fossil barn]

Ur pfp

[rough prawn]

@fossil barn how about you take a chill pill or a break..

[fossil barn]

I’m not the one that replied to me 🗿

[rough prawn]

im not the one writing stupid sentences

[wet grotto]

what

[fossil barn]

Me either

[subtle drift]

#1033998204993282098

[peak drum]

Yk not all clipped images are bad, especially JWST those images are insane

Watermelon pet thinks my markarians chain isn't clipped but my lagoon is??

[cedar maple]

Petition to kick watermelon pet

[fossil barn]

actually they are

[fossil barn]

those arent clipped

[cedar maple]

It isnt about that it's about you

[fossil barn]

does this sentence even make sense LOL

[fossil barn]

btw it was your Other process that was clipped

#deep_space_pics message this one

[cedar maple]

it very much does yes

[fossil barn]

read it and think about it for a while

but ik what u mean

[cedar maple]

Stop trolling people by acting like a child and purposely saying dumb things for attention

you're not impressing anybody

[fossil barn]

who says im acting?

in my opinion i do not like NASA's processing

[wet grotto]

Hot takes really turning into a very personal discussion

[fossil barn]

cough cough caphe cough cough

[hearty cloud]

First time in hot takes?

[subtle drift]

fr fr

[inner aurora]

Why you hating on my man Watermelon, ist just his Opinion... 🧢

[narrow summit]

Lol calm down, it's hot takes and it's litterally watermelonpet's trademark to say (extremely) controversial things here

And imho nasa's processing is good but often nothing more

[rough prawn]

@hearty cloud @narrow summit its fine, I dont even know why I am here I dont even follow this, it only comes up as reccomended by discord itself smh

[brazen wedge]

Tbh it is kinda funny

[shell quartz]

Given how much of astrophotography is automated (tracking, shutter release, stacking etc.), it's not really you taking the pictures, it's the robots

[inner aurora]

That's the same as saying, your not driving the car, the engine is...

[shell quartz]

Except it's a self-driving car

you merely purchased it

[manic elbow]

I actually went to a really neat talk this weekend about just this

The idea that in the future, computers will be doing most of the work

Though he also was very passionate about the idea that autoguiding needs to die so-

[brazen wedge]

Except its a self driving car that doesn't properly turn on half the time and you need the skills to fix it

[brazen wedge]

"you didn't capture this timelapse , the robot did"

[floral echo]

thats like saying 3d modelling isnt real art because the computer made the image not you

[inner aurora]

That's like saying you didn't made a baby, your cells did

[shell quartz]

It seems people doing understand what I'm saying

It's all so automated these days that all you do is turn it on

[keen breach]

No.

[shell quartz]

Yes.

[keen breach]

As someone with

Not full automation but

A lot of automation

You still have to set it up which takes effort and isnt as easy as turn it on

Anyone who has a full rig knows this

It takes effort

[shell quartz]

https://dwarflab.com/en-gb/products/dwarf-2-smart-telescope?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SHOPIFY-SEARCH-BRAND-US&gclid=CjwKCAjwjMiiBhA4EiwAZe6jQ8rGjXuvFhr3qIEgPfPqSEcHxpsi1L3U2Ny1WvsjNPmi9gcntTGCzRoCaa0QAvD_BwE

[keen breach]

If you think astrophotography is "turn it on and leave" then you're wrong

[keen breach]

Sure that's all automated but that's not what most people use?

The market share for dwarf is low

[shell quartz]

modern setups still trend towards that

[keen breach]

No where near

Nah

[shell quartz]

yeah

[keen breach]

Setup is hard man. Hard enough where some people don't even set up on clear nights

[keen breach]

Thats like saying daytime shots with AF or auto settings aren't yours because "the camera did all that for you"

[shell quartz]

except your camera automatically points in the right place and automatically opens the shutter

[keen breach]

That doesn't mean it's not your photo

Astrophotography takes way more effort than you think

When I was untracked I thought getting a mount goto and all that would make this hobby easier

While it improves my images dramatically it makes the hobby way more complicated and harder

So many factors going into the setup

On whether or not it will work

So many problems you encounter that you have to fix and any of these problems could ruin the imaging session.

Tracked doesnt mean effortless. It takes work

[arctic rose]

Can relate

It takes me like 2 hours because there is always some bugs. It's different every night too

And now, when it gets dark at 10, there isn't much point unless you plan to image until dawn

Plus, I literally have no automation

[brazen wedge]

Tell me you dont do serious astrophotography without telling me you aren't doing serious astrophotography

[shell quartz]

you do realise where this is

[brazen wedge]

But that aint a hot take. That is just you not knowing shit about astrophotography 💀

[shell quartz]

idk man you seem pretty riled up about it

[brazen wedge]

Yeah because you are discrediting peoples hard work

"iT Is aUtOmAtEd tHo"

[shell quartz]

ye it is automated

[floral echo]

uh oh! somebody doesnt know the difference between a hot take and a dumb take!

[manic elbow]

...I mean they aren't exactly "wrong"

Yes, it is automated. Yes, for some people (remote people especially) it is a matter of selecting a target and pushing a button, but that doesn't account for the work they put in assembling the setup, troubleshooting, etc. Also processing is easly at least 50% of ap, if not more. Automation isn't bad, it's good if done properly. There's a reason that just about every serious research observatory built now is automated

Now I don't love these commercial robotic telescopes like dwarf and stelina for a variety of reasons. I also think that, for now, there is a ton of value in starting with a more manual setup when it comes to learning how things work, the sky, etc. But honestly if they made it work with Eq rather than alt az they could be pretty awesome.

[wet grotto]

I think you can get a wedge for the dwarf

[brazen wedge]

Nahh. I am sure he hand tracks with his scope and shoots on film , without a shutter release

Becouse u know... Digital is automated. If you shoot digital you should at least debayer the images yourself. We dont want stuff to be automated

God forbid. Otherwise it is all just automated and a robot took the picture

[inner aurora]

Also don't stack or use any Computer Calculate everything yourself.

[shell quartz]

I have another bs take

but idk if you can handle it

[normal bay]

They do near the upper end. Once my flats panel arrives, all I do is polar align and click the start button on my sequence.

If I ever get a dome/go remote, then it’s literally just click start

[brazen wedge]

Ok. But the upper end is basically the top 1% in astrophotography world

[keen breach]

well it still took a lot of effort to make that rig so the images are yours

[normal bay]

Not realllly. Just need a minipc, eaf, fw, and flats panel

[manic elbow]

Give us the take

[brazen wedge]

If you want it to work well without problems than you also need a very good mount

Eq6r is probably the minimum if you want problem free experience

And now the cost is up to around 2.5k and we haven't even talked about cameras or scopes

[normal bay]

Yea soo a mid tier mount and a lowish budget

Def achievable

[shell quartz]

alright

editing the pics and like changing the colours makes the images not real and therefore bad

[manic elbow]

Troll moment

[misty marsh]

oh no

[keen breach]

you have no idea what you're talking about

[candid river]

What so even increasing saturation or doing color calibrating also makes pics bad?

[keen breach]

not even a hot take its a wrong take

[misty marsh]

💀

[shell quartz]

lmao

[fossil barn]

Croissant>croissant

[brazen wedge]

Piss>shit

[misty marsh]

Old version was better nglgonnalie

[brazen wedge]

Yeah. But i dont wanna be banned from this server . Idk what mods consider offensive so i will stay safe

[misty marsh]

Lol fair enough

[shell hatch]

depends on the dogs and cats

some dogs are cats and some cats are dogs

but 90% dogs are dogs and 90% cats are cats

[wet grotto]

as we say over here

INCORRECT ❌

[arctic rose]

You should see MY uncalibrated pictures

It would definitely change your mind

[narrow summit]

Last person I heard saying this was a flat earther/space denier/nasa is lying to you/open your mind

Just sayin...

[inner aurora]

Flat Earth < Veliciraptor shaped Earth

[fossil barn]

Nope

It’s actually godzilla

[inner aurora]

Shin Godzilla or 2014 Godzilla

[green salmon]

What?

[shell quartz]

dw guys im working hard to come up with more shit-takes

not to be confused with shiitakes

[keen breach]

please stop trying to copy watermelon pet

you'll never be him

[shell quartz]

I'm not trying to be him

I am merely going mildly insane

anyway, spending more than like 30 min on 1 target is a waste of time, why spend hours on 1 thing when you can get like 20 different things in 1 night

[keen breach]

wrong take

99% of objects arent going to be bright enough for 30 mins of integration

[shell quartz]

nuh uh

[fossil barn]

This one

[fossil barn]

(Sending)

Or som

[fossil barn]

It’s very hard to do my awesome job

[shell quartz]

I have significant experience in shitposting

I have been banned from many a server

[fossil barn]

Not the point

Ban= lose

Not saying it’s a game cause it’s not

[brazen wedge]

That is called EAA

[shell quartz]

ngl this is actually a smart idea, then you can see which stuff you want more data on and then do another 30min another night along with 19 new targets

[brazen wedge]

Imagine just disappearing off the internet for 8 months and then you suddenly appear with 20 new images all finished last week

[hearty cloud]

Shin Godzilla is horrible

While 2014 wasn't the greatest it did zet up the Legendary monsterverse with fantastic sequels like King of the Monsters and especially Godzilla vs Kong

[misty marsh]

I can only think about Godzilla-Eminem whenever the movie is mentioned. Good movie though

[inner aurora]

Kong Skull Island is the best Monsterverse Movie

[hearty cloud]

Kong was great but man...Kong vs Godzilla is epic

[inner aurora]

Yes but also the 2014 one was such a scary and interesting movie for 7 year old me...

[shell hatch]

i realized today that may 4th was may 4th and what may the 4th be with you meant

[wet grotto]

it is in fact not a smart idea

if you want to get a usable image of anything that is not a good idea

[shell quartz]

nuh uh

[arctic rose]

Why?? If you are not sure which objects you want to image, you can always search for photos on astrobin...

[shell quartz]

Amateur astrophotography is pointless since NASA has way better telescopes and have already taken pics of all these things

[covert warren]

Thats what my dad said about doing this

[floral echo]

god we thought watermelon pet was bad

[rough prawn]

Watermelon pet should be kicked

Anyone spending time only here and in general needs a psychologist/psychiatrist

he has only 6 astro photographs in this server and he joined basically almost 10months ago

[shell quartz]

now that is definitely a hot take

[rough prawn]

i call it medically correct

[shell quartz]

I call you wrong

[vernal flame]

So let me get this straight: there has to be a shitpost every day here otherwise some people don't get enough drama in their day?

[rough prawn]

once you spend all ur day playing games on singleplayer mode like watermelon pet.. anything dramatic with social agenda is a highlight of ur day

[vernal flame]

I mean, I exclusively play single player cause I don't wanna deal with my weird schedule and other people being involved in it

[rough prawn]

yeah im talking single player because anything social wise becomes a drama.. hence this forum

the man probably spent more hours here than shooting images his whole life

[brazen wedge]

Images of only m33 core are ugly

[rough prawn]

example ?

whats soo bad about this

[fossil barn]

you may be quiet now no one said you have to be in hot takes

[fossil barn]

i exclusively play mp otherwise im bored out of my mind

[rough prawn]

[rough prawn]

when am i quiet

[fossil barn]

idk why r u asking me

[rough prawn]

read what you wrote

[fossil barn]

I’m jk

[brazen wedge]

Okay tbf. This is the first good image of m33 core i have seen 😅. Every image i have seen of it looked soft even tho it wasn't really. The ha regions just look like smudges

[rough prawn]

well good, cuz thats hubble

[shell quartz]

that simply proves my point that amateur astrophotography is pointless as NASA has already done it much better

[brazen wedge]

Poop

[rough prawn]

no.. nasa doesnt have time to do half of the shit amateurs do

[shell quartz]

maybe if they took 1% of the military's budget they could

[lapis perch]

On the Nasa website:

Nasa wants amateurs to do it

[shell quartz]

how many amateurs are studying near-earth asteroids and comets vs dso's already studies by space telescopes

[rough prawn]

Im not studying them I apart of the best crew for them..

[lapis perch]

Close enough

[rough prawn]

here at least 1 person here

[lapis perch]

their both in space so

same thing

[rough prawn]

Near Earth Objects..

[lapis perch]

All the Messier aren't that far away

[rough prawn]

[shell quartz]

WHAT...

im losing braincells involuntarily this time

[rough prawn]

Toast everytime i see ur name i loose some

[shell quartz]

you're welcome

[rough prawn]

you too

[lapis perch]

M1 is only 3.7035340 (x 10 to the power of 16 - no one cares about the brackets) miles away

[shell quartz]

I ain't readin allat

[lapis perch]

Actually don't read it

it's kind of agreeing with you

Didn't read all of ot

oops

[shell quartz]

lmao

[lapis perch]

Deleted it

Read this:https://www.space.com/amateur-astronomer-jupiter-moon-discovery

Why didn;t the Hubble discover that moon

huh?

[shell quartz]

hubble isn't for planetary

it can but it's built for deep sky

[lapis perch]

not my problem

It didn't find it did it

Why didn't they build it for planetary?

[shell quartz]

they have probes for that

[lapis perch]

Well why didn't NASA's probes find the moon then

[shell quartz]

budget, take just 1% of the us military's budget and give it to nasa

and again, maybe amateurs do make discoveries of jupiter's moons, but then why are they all taking pics of the same 5 dso's instead of jupiter's tiny little rocks

[lapis perch]

Cause they look better

And are probably easier to find compared to a tiny speck

but an amateur still did it.

[shell quartz]

but NASA has way better pics already

[lapis perch]

Why don't you go work for NASA then instead of using your minuscule scope(compared to the Hubble-probs not actually small in real life)

[shell quartz]

im 15, british, and do visual

[rough prawn]

wow im surprised

[lapis perch]

Well I'm 13 and British hah

beat you

[shell quartz]

surprised by what?

[wet grotto]

Why do anything then if somebody has done it better?

[lapis perch]

I mean why are you breathing, some one can probably breath better than you

Not saying you shouldn't breath

Sound a bit threatening tbh

[cosmic turret]

Most hobbies are intrinsically pointless, but people enjoy them which is the point

Like telling people playing music is pointless because professional musicians do it better, it’s not the point to be the best

[rough prawn]

@shell quartz dont tell me you are about to stop posting here (anywhere on server) because there are better people than you here so its pointless to compete...

on anything

[manic elbow]

Bro wtf everyone chill-

There's value to anything that makes you happy. You don't need any more justification than that

And there really are places where amateurs can and are doing important science in collaboration with nasa and other organizations

It also is just helping to inspire the next generation of astronomers and engineers

Also I'm fairly certain you are trolling. If I am right... honestly you're doing a good job

[inner aurora]

Bro I know he's talking Bs but don't say anything against visual.

[wet grotto]

I felt like he was sarcastically saying he was surprised at TT’s age