kuki-theorycrafting

[icy granite]

I don’t rest need healers tbh

[junior ice]

since im putting yunjin

and 1more probably anemo

[tough trout]

you could just do ayato, kuki, yunjin and bennett too

[junior ice]

yah

but kuki i will need to build EM then

since healing is dumb here

benneett will do the job

but i was thinking of building full heal with HP HP HB

[tough trout]

oh i see my apologies

[junior ice]

iwas thinking

what weapon i want to use haha

either iron sting/ dark iron sword

or just use fav for battery

maybe just use dark iron sword for heal only

fav seems like i need crit rate @.@

[tough trout]

i would use iron sting or dark iron for heals

[junior ice]

ya me too

becoz u might enhance artifact and end up having alot of HP / ER or base HP

its hard to all into crit rate to get that 9%

u need 9% crit atleast

and 5 piece 9% and +base is 50% total

even with 50% its hard to proc still

so troublesome

i rather sacrifice that battery function and go for more heals

ayato im fine with current 188% ER

but milelith take alot of time cuz u might end up having alot of pale flame

[tough trout]

for me im using battery kuki since my superconduct team already has bennett and what not so

[junior ice]

oh u doing eula ?

i heard many ppl will use kuki on eula

my ayato has 188% ER

so i think i dont need fav for my kuki for ayato battery

i stick with dark sword then

or go for ironsting

since i might pull kazuha

ironsting good for him too

but i think i wont craft more than 1 sword

cuz iwant to keep billet for sumeru

[tough trout]

im actually doing traveler while i do have eula she got boring and i dropped her

[junior ice]

i dropped ganyu

im impressed with itto

idk why i dont feel boring with itto

and now i play itto and ayato

sometimes yoimiya

[tough trout]

understandable if i get ganyu i would build her as a support

[junior ice]

ganyu so boring =.=

i dont like her

i pull her cuz lasttime 1st ganyu banner

ppl told me to pull her

from china server meta players

told me shes broken

i listen to metaslaves

indeed shes broken 😄

[tough trout]

she is but her playstyle can be boring

[junior ice]

but boring at the same time

[tough trout]

yeah

[junior ice]

ya

kit wise itto is awesome kekakkaka

yoimiya is fun in abyss

many enemies spread away

she pew pew pew

ayato is new so im nto bored with him yet

next im going for kuki and heizou

and having c6 xingqiu

[tough trout]

itto is super cool but i probably won't get him because i dont want to fight the wolf

[junior ice]

i dont want to pull yelan

her burst is like 90% identical

look too close to xingqiu burst

i dont want to pull for someone similar

[tough trout]

me either shes cool but i personally dont have any good teams for her

[junior ice]

i like her E only

cool running

but meta wise only

or waifu

if u want me to play her forever.. meh. ill jsut use xingqiu .. ><

not worth my f2p gems

i rather pull kazuha

[tough trout]

same

[junior ice]

atleast kazuha can make my genshin meta 2 years secured

[tough trout]

i lost the 50/50 to keqing on kazuha's banner on my birthday

[junior ice]

or probably can play up to 3years

[junior ice]

i lose all my pity 5050 since 2020 sep 28th

day 1

i never win before

[tough trout]

i only won a 50/50 on my asia account not my main one tho

[junior ice]

fail all haha

[tough trout]

diluc come home

[junior ice]

oh

my noelle banner

i won mona 14th

so i hate ayaka

becoz i play that mona sprint for like half a year

im done with it

[tough trout]

yeah i dont like the sprint

[junior ice]

especially abyss floor

the corner circle thing

always u sprint u stuck there

do u know that

mechanic array can stuck u too?

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxln7TihPpZdyeRJOp6gO4GO1RufJEoH6m

see this

[tough trout]

yeah

[idle turret]

As someone who pulled for her to build her as a burst dps as a meme, based

[crimson oasis]

that's about the only good use for kuki

I feel bad for the people who are gonna pull for kuki

[runic rock]

Don't feel bad for them. I think having an on fielder, off fielder, and healer for each element is a big deal for long term account health. So kuki being the first electro healer is a big deal.

[gentle nymph]

huh, an electro healer is a pretty useful niche for electrocharge Ayato teams.

[novel iron]

same, I'm pulling for itto, I just hope I don't get a lot of Kuki's copies

[dull bear]

Does an Itto team (Albedo & Gorou) with kuki as a healer sound scuffed?

[median sapphire]

to me no

since no dedicated shielder, so you'll want some crystallize shields

especially since kuki's healing is not as much as some other healers

and gorou burst pulls in crystallize shards

[dull bear]

If I use Kokomi instead, will the crystallise shards/shields be less relevant?

[median sapphire]

she'll heal more, but without shields u can get staggered

also imo koko is better in freeze/taser

[dull bear]

Ah ty

[flat umbra]

Hi, i wanna confirm something, kuki can't heal in co-op, right? (Yeah i know she's not out yet and i'm asking coop things 💀)

[runic rock]

It says within the rings AOE so it should heal nearby characters in co op but can’t be sure

[flat umbra]

Oh god thank you

I hope so too, i wanna heal my friends without using someone's q when we are out of battle

<--- kokoless

Sooo i guess i'll build her, glad i have totm pieces and the boss drop

[young kayak]

do you mean to say it will be scuffed? saying "no" means Kuki is good in this team

[tawdry bone]

So how do you build Ougi Shinobu

[tawdry bone]

Kuki is bad for your health. The self damage kit was a warning all along

[simple cypress]

I agree with this. Kuki is still unique and opens some possibilities and options, even if they aren't apparent or meta right now

[flat umbra]

Do y'all think this is a decent kuki? (x4 totm 80/90 t9 fav sword 70/80) (passive active)

[flat umbra]

Same

[amber plover]

Yup, there's a lot of nuance to characters beyond number sheets.

[lofty blaze]

Hello, dumb math question again:
Kuki's E can heal more than Barbara E's, am I right?
I mean the passive heal, not Barbara's "heals when attacking."

[tawdry bone]

Not sure but look at the sackings to check ?

[lofty blaze]

Sacking?

[tawdry bone]

Scalings it autocorrected to sacking for some reason

[frank lintel]

kuki tldr?

[small turtle]

electro healer

[frank lintel]

wow really?

[cold pumice]

well theres not much else to say

[small turtle]

[uneven stump]

is her healing any good?

[lofty blaze]

It better be

[merry dragon]

Ok sized ticks with a fast-ish rate, good for healing single units at a time

[meager valve]

without a healing set, the E will heal about 2k~ hp per 1.5 secs, not great, but not terrible either

[assuming 30k hp on skill lvl 8/9]

it's better than barb's E passive healing tho

barb heals every 5 secs

[uneven stump]

then whats the point of using her other healers provide more and utility

[plain moss]

fav ToM bot for eula imo

[merry dragon]

Yeah pretty much if you just need some electro while healing moderately

[uneven stump]

yes but raiden is a better eula support

[meager valve]

for pure tick healing, she beats qiqi and barb

[merry dragon]

You can use Raiden to carry another team, like how most other people use her

[meager valve]

[as long as you don't autoattack with them]

[plain moss]

100% correct, this is assuming you HAVE to use raiden + bennett on the other team

[meager valve]

comparing a 4 star unit to a 5 star is not very fair either

[uneven stump]

well not for my case at least but i under stand others

[merry dragon]

Kuki's not stealing any jobs, she just works if you need some role fillers

[uneven stump]

my second team is always mono cryo

[uneven stump]

it just feels like she provides extremly little

but i guess not being a dedicated support its fair

[plain moss]

there's also that electro dendro EM copium, but who knows

[meager valve]

i won't argue with you about that, I find her a bit lackluster as well, but in terms of functionality, she does work for her designated role and niche

[uneven stump]

since our last 3 4 stars were dedicated supports excluding thoma

[meager valve]

thoma was not dedicated support, yet somehow the only place he found was in a single team

[uneven stump]

the reason yunjin gorou and even sara feel better is because they basically add a lot to 2 or 3 characters while almost nothing to the vast majority

sara i know is only that good at c6 but still

[plain moss]

kuki would be a lot better if she was catalyst, then she would at least be able to hold ttds

[lofty blaze]

I think it's important to have a mindset that Kuki isn't meant to replace any Electro in already established/meta teams. She's not simply gonna replace a Fischl, or Raiden, or Sara, unless you REALLY need electro element + healing (i.e. wolves, corrosion).

Rather, having an Electro healer (and EM scaler) enables new teams to form, and it's up to our creativity (or insanity) to build those.

Also I like how some people are entering the character threads and just demand questions like "What's the best weapon? What artifact set? Is she meta and worth my pulls?" when all we have is paper math ™️

[tawdry bone]

Helloooo

[novel iron]

her cons are still hella useless tho

[calm ice]

Even better. Just get a copy and dip out

[novel iron]

I would but I'm rolling for Itto

[runic rock]

Her c2 is worth it

[pallid iris]

ehh

[pallid iris]

THIS

[frosty jewel]

imagine a catalyst kuki with whip attacks

[haughty mural]

Don't worry she can hold FS

[tawdry bone]

I'm gonna use those sands for Shinobu

How they looking?

They're gladly rolling on HP%

And I'll use iron sting

[tawdry bone]

How much HP and EM should Shinobu have????

[lament cargo]

sands looks fine to me you're going for reactions right ?

[tawdry bone]

Yup yup

I'm trying to prioritise healing more, but I wanted to give her EM sands to be able to proc reactions off field

[lament cargo]

that depends on the build. I'm not sure off the top of my head

[tawdry bone]

Son I was thinking of 4p Tenacity with EM/HP/HP

And well of iron sting

[lament cargo]

that works

[tawdry bone]

Yaayyy

[lament cargo]

you buff the team, get healing and EM for extra reaction dmg

[tawdry bone]

Wait, Shinobu can buff????

I didn't know that

[lament cargo]

no totm buffs

[tawdry bone]

Ooohhh

Ahahahhaha

Yeah yeah

Well thank you for the explanation

[lament cargo]

[tawdry bone]

For now I guess I'll just farm Tenacity domain until I get full HP pieces

[lament cargo]

good luck

[tawdry bone]

Thank youuu

[tawdry bone]

can kuki synergize with ec heizou in replacement of fischl?

[lofty blaze]

We don't know yet but take note you're sacrificing damage by switching from Fischl to Kuki, and you're sacrificing CC (and more swirls) by switching from Sucrose to Heizhou.

[mint flower]

How can kuki improve a taser team of ayato and beidou as core

[midnight sapphire]

so whats the best artifact set for kuki and best weapon?

[lament cargo]

Depends on the build. A general support kuki can run totm + freedom sworn or fav. A reaction based kuki would want freedom or iron sting + 4tf

[wheat field]

hi i just wanted to ask if some maths has been done regarding kuki etc, like what's the definite talent priority for her since i saw many contradicting answers

[lament cargo]

It's E => Q > NA iirc

[wheat field]

alright tysm, the 4p ToM still her best?

[lament cargo]

for support kuki yes

[wheat field]

i see thanks a lot

[lament cargo]

[amber plover]

You lose an electro unit which is either gonna be Fischl who is Ayato's best partner, Beidou or Yae, along with whoever you previously used as a healer, most likely Jean and Bennett, and gain an Anemo grouper like Kazuha who has great synergy with the comp. I assume the Kuki version will have better AoE for obvious reasons but I'm sceptical about single target.

[maiden dawn]

In which teams kuki will be ok in?

[tawdry bone]

dugtrio itto albedo gorou

[green dagger]

yeah, she should be decent there
but, tbf, almost everything is decent there

[noble elbow]

i feel like they wanted her to be a superconduct enabler for eula because of the continuous electro, her em """"benefits"""" and her constellation 4 triggering on normal/charge/plunge attacks

[shrewd crescent]

And a constant intensified proc character

[maiden dawn]

Something else

?

[shrewd crescent]

You've started a war

[nova sierra]

i mean they’re saying the truth😭

[novel iron]

no one is disagreeing

[brazen snow]

Doomposting.

Another reason to demote.

[pastel brook]

[blissful dock]

I feel like they wanted something to buffer Itto's second banner sales

Rather than a unit with an actual kit

[green dagger]

[brazen snow]

That's not doomposting. That's a bet.

I did not imply in any way that Kuki was bad.

[pastel brook]

[lofty blaze]

I personally run Barbara electrocharge (not freeze-sc though, that setup isn't optimal for this Abyss anyway), and I kinda understand this... but can you clarify?

Is it because, Barbara comps aren't OP, but they're still solid with good synergies, decent damage and healing. Barbara on-field also makes 24k bubbles pop, which adds a lot of damage.

Kuki's taser comps will be slightly worse than those comps because TOM buff isn't really THAT great, and she can't reach Barbara's healing, however it's still good teams with good damage and healing.

[remote marsh]

So uhhhh what's cookies' best team so far??

[young kayak]

@blissful dock hi, can share pfp source?

How much ICD does Kuki Skill have?

[small turtle]

standard icd

[tranquil lion]

if you ran beidou + kuki, what would beidou's er requirement be

[small turtle]

what comp are those 2 in?

[tranquil lion]

sucrose taser

[small turtle]

this is with kuki

hakushin sucrose

with fav kuki

then fischl

[idle turret]

kuki intensified trigger? maybe?

https://twitter.com/Genshin_Intel/status/1529783570113232896?s=20&t=4necCKL4L3WV-zg9FkGDUw

Genshin Intel (@Genshin_Intel)

When one element (either dendro or electro) triggers Intensified on a target, the other element gains increased Base Damage against the target for the next 7s.

BaseDamageIncrease = LevelMultiplier × [1+(5 × EM)/(EM + 1200)]

The Base Damage increase has standard ICD (2.5s/3hit).

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[idle turret]

fischl with no skill usage?

[young kayak]

1200 ( 0 EM ) vs 3200 ( 600 EM )
what does "BaseDMGIncrease" mean?

[small turtle]

it forces 25 seconds

so its just 1 oz

[idle turret]

ah. I see

[idle turret]

not too sure

but hey my beidou will hit hard as fuck

[young kayak]

just looking at ICD, won't it be inferior to OL which has 0.5 sec ICD

[idle turret]

people in the comments are saying that it's a weaker shenhe buff, if so... f

[idle turret]

oof

well it's not even properly ingame yet so

[median fractal]

https://twitter.com/Genshin_Intel/status/1529783573246398464?s=20&t=HsuUOOqODJm-zK6OsL0mrg

Genshin Intel (@Genshin_Intel)

Base Damage increase effects for dendro and electro can coexist.

Definition of Base Damage:

https://t.co/21p5j959Eb

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[spare plume]

It's good for muti hit or large nuke hits, in regards to the ICD as the debuff stays for whole 7s

[median fractal]

Same as Shenhe buff

[young kayak]

no

shenhe is flat dmg

Doesn't the "BaseDMGIncrease" gets added to the "BaseDMG"?

[idle turret]

hmmmm... yunjin buff?

[small turtle]

shenhe dmg is on the same section in the outgoing dmg formula, whic is the Base DMG section

[young kayak]

Yunjin and Shenhe buff are the same

[small turtle]

yeah

[young kayak]

I'm guessing it's like Bennett Buff dmg

it's strong

[idle turret]

ight

[idle turret]

that'd be SICK

imagine. electro team with bennet, kaz and dendro character. unlimited power

[small turtle]

not really bennett buff

its on the same section where you put shenhe and yunjin buff

[young kayak]

maybe BaseDMG+"that reaction effect" or FlatATK+"that reaction effect"?

[small turtle]

bennett is just flat atk buff

[young kayak]

what? it's flat damage?

are you sure?

[small turtle]

yeah

[idle turret]

would that be good or nah?

[tired berry]

How’s Kuki looking y’all?

[small turtle]

for intensify i think it will be good

[young kayak]

then it's somehow meh (maybe), at least electro now have dmg amp/increase option

[idle turret]

if it can crit then

but I doubt it

[young kayak]

it can

if it's same category as flat damage

[idle turret]

huh? do we know that for sure?

[young kayak]

it's the whole shenanigan why Yunjin and Shenhe buffs are so strong

[idle turret]

ohhhh wait I get what you mean now

[young kayak]

they don't need to build crit on their own, just stacking their stat

[idle turret]

sooooo intensified bot kuki viable? perhaps?

[small turtle]

the reaction mostly will come from the owner's EM

[idle turret]

hmmmmm

I see

[young kayak]

I don't know the deets on intensified, does Dendro work like element aura? or like anemo/geo?

[idle turret]

most likely aura, given that electro can buff dendro

[young kayak]

it's that is the case, it looks meh, unless you have hybrid build... tho idk how much diff will 1200 (0 EM) vs 3200 (600 EM) can bring

[small turtle]

probably will need checking

[young kayak]

yeah, i guess so

[plush mirage]

The leaks mentioned specifically buffing the other element

[young kayak]

it looks like melt/vape but a buff instead of direct dmg

[idle turret]

inch resting...........

[frosty jewel]

well kuki is a very reliable trigger at least

[idle turret]

em kuki

NO WAIT

dark iron kuki

wait... would they rework the dark iron sword passive to include intensified then?

[small turtle]

[frosty jewel]

who else is a good electro trigger

[idle turret]

uhhhh beidou for NAs?

WAIT

RAIDEN???

[frosty jewel]

you wouldn't want to trigger it with raiden tbh

[idle turret]

MY 187 EM EMBLEM SET ISN'T SHIT

[frosty jewel]

you want it to buff raiden most of the time imo

[idle turret]

yea until they release a cool dendro main dps

raiden eula... 2!

[glad harness]

if base dmg is what I think it is... kuki suddenly so good wth

[small turtle]

we will still have to see

i dont want to

just yet

[tardy cosmos]

EM KUKI VINDICATED

[lament cargo]

[unique sphinx]

ok Kuki is essentially a Dendro Intensity trigger with some healing

[lament cargo]

just gotta wait for a dendro dps

[small turtle]

kusanali

[unique sphinx]

After Raiden everyone wants archons to be dps although their original role is support

[regal epoch]

Well at that time we only had 2 out of the 7 to base that claim from, they can literally be any role

And ig people generally want a character they like to be a dps either way

[unique sphinx]

well I believe Raiden was made to be broken so that she is still relevant after a few years of powercreep and so are the other archons, I think she will end up being more of a support down the line after we get more complex characters

[simple cypress]

LESSSGOOOOO

[alpine dock]

[supple oriole]

not sure how that would work because that means a lot of characters who are on the same or similar level as her will be effected as well. it's not like there's anything about raiden that will make her support stand out more than her dmg. Her support takes field time and without her dmg that support will almost seems not worth it

[wet lance]

seems like kuki could be a good support for a dendro dps?

[supple oriole]

she's a good candidate yes

[wet lance]

damn...i really do not want itto lol

[novel iron]

I think Kuki is made to be a support for a future dendro dps

considering how low her electro application is and the fact her healing scales with EM too

[subtle finch]

Hopefully 3.0 kit leaks come before end of patch so we can quickly get an idea if Kuki good for them or@not

[novel iron]

I hope so but iirc beta versions usually start after a day or two of the update

ofc the 2.8 beta is a special case

I wonder if they'll keep releasing a lot of dendro characters successively when sumeru drops each patch

to close the gap with other elements

[drowsy ether]

kuki and baizhu DO have the same hair color....

[gaunt pivot]

use triple EM Lisa with R5 proto amber

[wet lance]

i think the only hope of this happening (besides sus leaks) is if 3.0 beta is early like 2.8 was, right?

[wet lance]

if i win 50/50 on yelan i may try like one 10 pull to try to get kuki

[nocturne plinth]

EM is a flat increase in healing amount?

1000 EM = 750 heal?

[tawdry bone]

Yes, but Healing Bonus should boost it too

[nocturne plinth]

is EM ever a good mainstat

considering new intensify details

or would it tank healing output too much compared to an HP% mainstat

187 EM = 140 HP base heal increase

46.6% HP = 292 HP base heal increase

[wet lance]

i guess potentially in a future where kuki is enabling intensify for a dendro dps and you don't need bigger heals, stacking em on her might be better in that situation

[nocturne plinth]

probably go for EM main stat with HP substat

and stick with HB% helmet

[tawdry bone]

Kuki Shinobu is peak

She will be very useful

[nimble linden]

tc kuns, whats your thoughts on 4pc noblesse kuki? with ofc Hp/Hp/Hb

and fav sword

[regal epoch]

Well the 2pc tenacity buff benefits her more and also she can have 100% atk uptime with tenacity but not with noblesse

[small turtle]

good option if your are having a hard time farming for her pieces in totm (we been there) and want to max everything. Noblesse is accessible via strongbox

[winged furnace]

What would be best if you want her to heal but also do some damage? Hp/hp/crit or hp/electro bonus/crit

Also is 4 pc totm bis for her or is another artifact set better?

[tardy cosmos]

if getting damage from reaction is okay for you, then em/em/hb

[clear oak]

!!kuki

[olive tree]

Head over to #・faq for a comprehensive Kuki Pre-TC and Leaks FAQ!

[frosty jewel]

How does kuki burst 's damage look if we were to factor in intensified?

Still bad?

[pallid iris]

yeah

[lunar zealot]

decent I'd say

Kuki would be a good unit at being buffed by intensify

not the best obviously, but pretty decent since she has procs over time with E and hit count icd resets with Q

Kuki is a big winner with how intensify works imo. She goes from a bad unit to a very decent one

[novel iron]

considering her bad application isn't she more of a dendro buffer?

[lunar zealot]

bad application? she has an e proc enhanced by intensify every 3sec, every time the ICD reset, without even having to build any ER. that's the standard and she meets it

[glad harness]

it dendro application is slower than her then she will get intensified buff. if dendro application is faster, then she buffs the dendro

Im going to run double electro and dendro so electro will be buffed. kuki is going to deal quite a lot of dmg

[lunar zealot]

you probably won't play intensify to buff only Kuki anyway. if you play intensify with kuki, you play it with another electro unit. then, dendro wont be faster than kuki's electro

[glad harness]

exactly

[lunar zealot]

we dont know any dendro unit, but that doesn't seem like an issue to me

[glad harness]

looks like double electro- anemo- dendro team will be solid

[novel iron]

nice

[frosty jewel]

Kuki is looking pretty decent as a trigger, but its imo fair to assume there might be instances where a dendro unit steals the proc so her burst gets buffed by it

That might also be why it has so many damage procs in her burst

[spice sundial]

the way I see it we will be able to activate intensify for both electro and dendro with the proper rotation
Kuki with a full or partial EM build will be the best dendro buffer, offer sufficient healing and get a bunch of procs herself
the burst lets you clear the dendro aura at any moment so you can refresh the buff for both elements

same logic applies to Yae's burst and NA

[green wave]

Would running kuki/yae/raiden/kazuha(or sucrose) be better then bennett/yae/raiden/kazuha?

[frosty jewel]

I don't think so, bennett allows you to buff both of the nukes, which is a significant boost

Right now it feels like her niche is as an intensified support for a dendro dps, since her bad application on e lets her be a really good trigger for intensified

[junior ice]

i feel so happy for this?

kuki shinobu best artifact haha

high em subs with hp healing kuki

[junior ice]

i wonder why we dont have pure heal kuki build

i need HP HP HB build with milelith

whu icant find any

[median fractal]

Kuki Mastersheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bPZkdT6x5On5Oa_j7_fw0fzggyjIL-SUgTqYjniBItw/edit#gid=1222701454

[meager valve]

👀

[tawdry bone]

Wonder if Kuki will be kind of like a bennett for squishy characters, cause the electro field will stun (?) them

[alpine dock]

[stiff reef]

Is it possible maybe kuki is a early dendro support for future proofing? With how the two elements interact

[tough trout]

possibly

[green dagger]

btw, did someone saw if we can test Kuki in her Hangout quest?

[novel iron]

wait did they already add her hangout quest?

[green dagger]

oh yeah you're right, it isnt in the game yet

[high bone]

Is there any info about itto/kuki banner?

[pastel brook]

prob wouldn't be in kuki tc if there was, try the leaks section of the server

[main bay]

So if i understand this leak correctly kuki personal dps increases right but not her teams exactly?

[primal bramble]

if we play em/electro/crit kuki, is there a chance we can benefit significantly off the intensified buff a lot by casting her ult (which has many hits)?

[small turtle]

i would still need more info about intensify to make a conclusion on it

[opaque pike]

does anyone have any frame counts of Kuki's EC sharing or data on her electro application

[modern ice]

Will kuki get saved by dendro

[rare hemlock]

Unironically she benefits

EM kuki gets a lot of benefit

[unkempt ginkgo]

EM kuki could save talent books on Q

[shrewd crescent]

C6 doesn't make me want to cry now

[gaunt pivot]

now that we know the initial assumptions about intensified were wrong and kuki can't be a support for dendro characters is she back to 🚮 again?
edit: well, she could still be full healer or cope subdps for a dendro dps, but if the buff is based on the stats of the buffed character, whats the point

[amber plover]

I don't think so, since she can utilise intensify herself pretty well. She procs the damage bonus once every 3 seconds with her E, her C4 is a thing, and her under 50% HP burst triggers it 5 times. EM/DMG/Crit utilises it pretty well, unless Dendro characters include EM buffing so you'd probably want to go HP/DMG/Crit assuming the EM diminishing returns gets suboptimal.

I'm not sure how full EM is in comparison since I assume you'll still want to help that damage bonus with crit and dmg% effects.

[hollow ocean]

Why wouldn't she be able to support dendro characters? The only thing they would want from her is her slow application

[gentle nymph]

We don’t know anything about how dendro characters will be designed, if they have fast application or relatively slow application. Intensify could function like electrocharge where there’s not a consistent aura/trigger character.

Also, healing is a very undervalued function since a lot of people say “just dodge”. An electro healer opens up more electro (EC/overload/mono electro)teams with consistent healing that aren’t restricted to Kokomi, Barbara, Jean, or Bennett.

[idle turret]

That and consistent 4totm is pretty useful imo

[glad harness]

I feel like dendro units going to use a lot of EM. So instructors or wanderers on kuki might be better than totm. There even be a chance of new EM set. I'm going to refrain from farming totm right now

[idle plaza]

Would eula,kuki,diona,bennett be a good team?

just thinking if my future kuki would fit in with eula

[small turtle]

you dont really need a triple healer on a team

[serene sonnet]

Intensify takes the EM of the aura not the trigger (the one getting buffed). And judging by the ICD and the scaling, it seems something like 150-200 EM is a good place to aim.

This could change with the kit and the ICD of the character oc

[small turtle]

will be testing kuki in a few days. Do not worry

[tough trout]

if you're not using kuki as a healer then its ok but i would replace diona with rosaria if you're gonna do superconduct

[runic rock]

I’m gonna be running a team with Eula, Rosaria, Zhongli, Kuki. You currently have too much healing an not enough damage in that team

[idle plaza]

right

[oak sorrel]

Do we have an ER sheet with Kuki in it yet?

Or rather, how could I manually estimate Kuki's particle gen in the existing ER sheet?

[oak sorrel]

This is a really good take. The upper 1% of players don't care about healers. The rest of us run healers. Kuki is very unique in that way

[amber plover]

The upper 1% of players pretend they don't care about healers but die 5 times in a row on stream and proceed to rage. Sure, you can just get good and get by without a healer, or you can save precious time and not rage and do everything in one go, unless you're trying to clear Abyss for the first time. /shrug

[deft atlas]

if u can play healerless you won't die

you usually run xq or beidou because of no healer

i run healerless double hydro raiden and only time i died was like, once because i didn't see that pma minion spawned this weird area under me

people who die on streams without healer are people who can't play healerless but do it anyway to flex

altho it depends on char

if it's char like Ganyu or Xiao without shield they need a healer, generally chars that barely dodge

[brittle radish]

Is Kuki worth pulling for?

I don't mind if I get her, and I'm sure Gorou's on Itto's banner. I'm gonna be mostly pulling for 2 Gorous and maybe 1 Itto if I win 50/50, but if she's not worth really building I will only get her to 20 for the wish

[small turtle]

will you be using her for itto?

[brittle radish]

If she's good enough to replace Albedo or Zhongli

Cause my Gorou is c4 rn

[small turtle]

oh you will be running pure geo

[brittle radish]

And my Zhongli is c2

[small turtle]

i think thats already a good lineup

[brittle radish]

I've been running it recently. I originally did Bennett, Itto, Gorou, and Zhongli

Oh okay, bet. So I don't have to worry about building Kuki for now

[small turtle]

[fossil forum]

Is Kuki dead on arrival or dead until dendro

I heard Intensified scales off of EM so theoretically if we get a Dendro DPS Kuki could enable her but that's like 4 months from now

[idle plaza]

kuki + aquila + rosaria + kaeya + bennett

my aquila is stacking in the corner

there are two of them now

and my pale flame set is just so good

[small turtle]

it works

!!kuki

[olive tree]

Head over to #・faq for a comprehensive Kuki Pre-TC and Leaks FAQ!

[amber plover]

She still enables Ayato/Childe taser with Kazuha without losing out on healing, and is good healer for Eula. Now, how good these comps will be we can't be certain until she actually comes out, but I assume these taser comps will have higher AoE potential due to how well Ayato and especially Childe work with Kazuha or even Sucrose.

[fossil forum]

interesting

Does anyone happen to know if there's a good Abyss team she slots nicely into?

[amber plover]

Ayato/Childe - Kazuha/Sucrose - Yae/Fischl/Beidou - Kuki is what I'm going to try
Now I'm unsure if Fav Kuki can battery Yae or Beidou but you're still left with Fischl, who is Ayato's best partner.

[slim gyro]

will kuki be good fit into itto team? rn i'm running itto/gorou/albedo and diona/bennett
can kuki be good replacement for diona or bennett? or is she worse than them?

[amber plover]

Probably a better option than Diona due to constant elemental application netting you constant crystallise shields for Geo Resonance and also benefits the team with fav + ToTM
Less offensive bonuses than Bennett but more defensive due to said elemental application

[slim gyro]

thank you!

[brittle radish]

Gonna hope I get 1 kuki and 2 Gorous on Itto's banner. I want my c6 Dog and the pretty masked lady

[cerulean jackal]

U do realise due to icd and ticks of kuki she only apply electro every 3s? And with how much geo reaction from itto gorou and albedo it will clear the electro instantly, not only that gorou pull in all the crystal making the team only able to have the crystalize shield every 3s. And with how flimsy the shield is it will break instantly after being hit so no kuki will not be more defensive than diona and heal is the same as diona too. If you build diona properly she should have 2.4x5= 12s duration for her shield which perfect for itto so yes i do think diona defensive is better than kuki

Im not trying to bring kuki down or anything i just saying for defensive and healing diona and kuki is the same

[amber plover]

Yeah, Diona is definitely an equal to better option defensively, although I did have issues with her uptime, as the shield would run out right around the end of Itto's burst so I was thinking that Kuki might come in more handy with an additional 3s duration with C2 rather than Diona's 12s.

Although the crystallise shields can be surprisingly tanky due to the high def stat + shield strength from ToTM so it should be alright as long as frequency of being hit is not high. C4 (which is a bit unrealistic for her first run) definitely helps with application too.

[cerulean jackal]

It only tanky if u can have level of fischl aura application for itto since he generate so many crystal so fast

And in boss stage those gonna brrak instantly

[tardy cosmos]

just build em itto

[cerulean jackal]

[amber plover]

Yeah that is true

[subtle finch]

I’m gonna see how copium Kuki is as a bennett replacement for physical Xinyan

Maybe I wait for dendro before doing that

Xinyan Kuki dendro Rosaria

Hmm maybe I try Xinyan Kuki Sara Rosaria

Kuki E>Sara E>Rosaria EQ>Sara CA>Xinyan EQ CA N2

nvm ER doesnt work

[brittle radish]

I think I'll hold off on building Kuki if I get her. I am pulling more so for a c6 Gorou, since I'm at c4. But hopefully I do get 1 Kuki and 2 Gorous, and maybe a c1 Itto.

[rotund basin]

hi am new to thread

has anyone tested Primordial Jade Cutter on her

I have two of them from Kagura banner

nvm founds some data

[rugged pawn]

why is there no video regarding shinobu’s healing yet

[rugged pawn]

same lol most likely I’ll use that on her since it’s just laying around

[small turtle]

there is a video on the pins

[exotic horizon]

like yelan does kuki also only gives dmg off of her hp or atk is the one increasing her dmg?

[tardy cosmos]

hp scaling on burst and heal
atk scaling on attacks and skill
em scaling on skill and heal

[keen sinew]

And the scaling for each one is

[shrewd crescent]

Should have made E dmg hp. Wouldn't have minded going em if that happened

[amber plover]

Q dmg would be pretty good if we had an HP% buffer along with Kazuha ngl

[shrewd crescent]

What's this? A need for c4 Yelan

[tardy cosmos]

why does shinobu's mastersheet has bow as option

[idle turret]

LMAO?

[deep dune]

Omg can't believe this still exists

We all know she's not gonna be a game changer

[opaque pike]

?

[deep dune]

I just thought the theorycrafting channel of leaked character will get deleted after version is released

[opaque pike]

not until shes released

2 weeks still lol

[amber plover]

They last 3 weeks post release afaik

[pastel brook]

and like puffy said there's still the entire duration of itto's banner

[opaque pike]

yeah

there is no reason for this channel to go for a while still

[pastel brook]

[opaque pike]

the time this channel leaves is like 3.0 beta time

lol

[pastel brook]

have 5 weeks to learn EGT

[opaque pike]

I can help if you want maybe

if im not busy

at least with ec shit

trying to get my guide video out by next week

[pastel brook]

I'll ask you if I have any questions

thanks

[opaque pike]

np

[shrewd crescent]

Imagine learning EGTI tried but I can't cause exams

[rugged pawn]

does her healing works like hutao? more enemies more heals?

[spice sundial]

no

[hollow prairie]

hp/hp/hb or 3x hp for kuki? or em?

[small turtle]

for what purpose?

[hollow prairie]

healer kuki

[small turtle]

hp/hp/hb 4pc totm

!!kuki

[olive tree]

Head over to #・faq for a comprehensive Kuki Pre-TC and Leaks FAQ!

[hollow prairie]

thanks

[chilly slate]

after reading #・faq , 4pc glad + haran seems okayge for phys kuki

tho would u still need some er on er as a phys dps

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/514271178861314079.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

I can get her to 80:200 with ~150 er on 4pc glad + haran

[chilly slate]

[small turtle]

me be running black sword with 4SR

[chilly slate]

is this fine

I want to make my life easy while farming for her namecard

so might as well kill the enemies meself

[small turtle]

its fine

[chilly slate]

would u still look at her er for phys

[small turtle]

not really. Her Q is only optional on physical build for superconduct proc but her E can provide enough electro application for that

[chilly slate]

aight bet

[chilly slate]

oooo 4sr sounds good, esp if u won’t rlly need the Q like u just said

but eh idh any shim/emblem pieces anyw

[small turtle]

pale and glad are fine since the difference is only 8% on glad and 3% on pale flame vs 4PC SR

[chilly slate]

very manageable with subs diff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/531307707756576778.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[high bone]

Guys can kuki battery Lisa?

[unkempt ginkgo]

if Lisa has a shield, ig

[noble elbow]

shinobu's a4 is a flat buff (unfortunately) right

like flat dmg rather than scaling like eosf

[amber plover]

Yeah the wording heavily implies it's a flat buff

[noble elbow]

hatred

[tawdry bone]

Qiqi dps

[light surge]

is Shinobu worth to pulling for?

[tawdry bone]

When in doubt, wait until the end of her banner and ask again

[spice sundial]

do you want itto?

[amber plover]

Very account dependant, wait a while post-release and decide then.

[light surge]

I have many chars but IIto is not a prio char but yes sometime I may got him. I miss Yae and Kokomi of the waifus and Ayato, Xiao, Albedo, Iito and Kazuha of the Husbandos

and Gorou of the 4stars

[nimble linden]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/R3qFTRzWAqURoj7dkYBnfBIX64N_X2LwMZnMmCxzPaM/%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D52fbdd91881e68f0e910a41f7748e755a7c8ee87/https/preview.redd.it/794yjd0ah0591.jpg?width=745&height=436

IF THIS second artifact really is a thing, do you think kuki is going to be more viable in eula team than zhongli or diona?

[mental stag]

no .. that second set is a personal nerf in exchange of c.dmg bonus .. at least thats how we take from the phrasing nd how enemies dont have shield strenght as a stat

so its just a self dmg increase for Kuki herself in best case scenario not for Eula

unless its a set that buff's on field character's c.dmg which i doubt

[lofty blaze]

Shinobu can't attack to heal like Barb/Qiqi right?

[flat umbra]

iirc no

[hallow wind]

henloo, just a quick question

what circlet is shinobu gonna use ?

and goblet

[hallow wind]

thanks pomf chan

ohh shit, i think she knows the reference

[high bone]

Does it decrease self def?

[nimble linden]

it does

[glad harness]

Farming specters. Maaaannn

[rancid rune]

ayato - kuki - beidou - venti, can work without fischl?

[high bone]

How much damage does kuki e give on full hp build with fav sword?

Give me some rough figuree

[tiny sedge]

Hello, I had team idea for Kuki as intensify team member and wonder if it will be good. Saw Zajef video of Venti Fischl Kazuha Dendro but it doesn't have healer, so could Kuki be good option?
Most of damage come from swirl, and Intensify need high EM electro character for stronger buff and she improve heal from building full EM

Or should it just replace Kazuha with Sayu as healer instead, because she is also swirl a lot and can hit in Venti burst

[glad harness]

If new dendro is not a healer, then absolutely! Also, I would rather replace Venti with Sayu. Kuki and Sayu won't be able to hit the venti burst. Overall, good team!

[keen sinew]

not a lot since her skill dmg is based of your attack stat. A full hp build kuki would increase the heals you do and increase her burst dmg. say that you have 2k attack with lvl 10 skill lvl, her skill's first hit will do 2725.6 and dot per tick is 908.6 (that if you don't include the def of the mobs) if you was to include def of the mobs then the dmg i just wrote would be less

[tiny sedge]

Oh, I have test Sayu before for Venti and daruma swirl is still able to hit it but not in rolls, so i think it is still okay. but thank you!

I have 4pc instructor set with full EM also, and maybe will consider it for this team. i think it is more useful than 4pc tenacity set

[glad harness]

yep, sayu E can't hit. :( And I really like instructor on sayu or kuki!

[tiny sedge]

I want to use kuki more, sayu in another team and maybe will not have both together for so much healing. though she is not supposed to activate reaction and instead be dendro character, i think she will still have some intensify ? not sure if it is reliable

too much electro from anemo characters and she will not trigger instructor

[glad harness]

that's true. maybe dendro kazuha xiangling kuki? burning and pyronado will consume any electro, allowing you trigger intensified and overload with full EM kuki!

[tiny sedge]

maybe ! burning it is 2u pyro right so it makes sense

[glad harness]

well, xiangling alone is already enough for permanent pyro

if burning is good, then maybbe can use EM thoma as well.

[tiny sedge]

maybe, 4 pc crimson it increases burning damage also a lot and maybe good to have it

[glad harness]

now I think about it, kuki thoma dendro is going to be really good combo

[tiny sedge]

Also was thinking for instead of kazuha in Venti Kazuha Kuki Dendro team if Sucrose can be stronger maybe? Sucrose buff EM for venti's swirls to be more, and also intensify buff more ? she can also be best character to do normal attack during venti's burst

thoma it is just pyro application though? shield is nice, but other pyro can work. if shinobu already heal not need shielding so much i thought

[glad harness]

kuki heals is not that strong and not team wide. meanwhile, thoma shield is not that thick but he gives really good resistance to interruption, which is very underrated. EM thoma might do good burning dmg depending on how burning is going to be.

Sucrose is a great choice! but her cc is not really as good as venti or kazuha so it will depend on the enemy line up

[tiny sedge]

is it known if burning is take EM from the pyro character or dendro?

[glad harness]

I don't know. yhere is no information yet

[tiny sedge]

i think if venti is already used then sucrose is not needing for cc. maybe sucrose with kazuha is also ok if venti is not as good for the enemy

[glad harness]

but right now, if I apply pyro to a dendro samachurl the EM of pyro character will take effect

[tiny sedge]

Okay, it make sense then because of crimson set too

likely using traveler, or maybe Collei as a dendro character, doubt they will be as healer so i think kuki is better choice from fischl overall

[glad harness]

venti is not as good as kazuha for cc some mid weight enemies like kairagies and wolves or vishaps. Especially a sac or C1 kazuha

[tiny sedge]

Okay that make sense, using different anemo character depending for the enemies

[glad harness]

everyone will like a dendro dps, so kuki will be of use!

[tiny sedge]

if there is dendro dps with lots of application, kuki can be good option then right? she is slow application and will buff dendro damage also healing

[glad harness]

yes. that's the idea.

hmm right now burning scaling is really bad. I hope they will buff it so that thoma can be viable in the future

[tiny sedge]

i hope so also . maybe use kitain for him for energy and EM? or full EM with dragons bane

thank you for help! excited to use shinobu as dendro team member and for swirl team

maybe will still try 4 instructor for her in electro charge team also

[glad harness]

you can try overload kuki in xiangling kazuha bennett team soon!

[tiny sedge]

i will try it !

is temporary EM buff from instructor also increase kazuha damage buff

[glad harness]

yes. just make sure to switch to kuki once in a while since instructor won't take effect off field.

[tiny sedge]

ok thank you

[keen sinew]

Burning reaction gonna use the em of the unit

[dark geyser]

Theres dendro already?

[tiny sedge]

No dendro but there is information for the intensify reaction and i had good idea for team with kuki for it

[dark geyser]

Ahhh

[glad harness]

Hmmm. I just recheck the burning scaling right now. It's quite ridiculous actually.

it ticks every 0.25 sec and is 1/8 of an overload. So basically an overload per 2 second.

just for reference, my Lisa is doing 25k overloads.

[tiny sedge]

Full EM in a pyro character is maybe worth to build then ? interesting it is so strong

[glad harness]

With kuki I expect 10 overloads per 20s rotation, 20k each. Burning adds 200k per rotation too. That's 400k alone just from the two reactions.

[glad harness]

I don't know. Maybe it takes the EM of dendro char? Eitherway, I just assume the worst case scenario and build EM on both

[tiny sedge]

So many characters is need EM...

[glad harness]

400k from overload and burning. We still have swirl, intensified and some elemental damage left.

[tiny sedge]

I wonder who is best character to do build the full EM for burn then ? Xiangling it is EM ascension + can have dragon's bane, but need high ER usually also

[glad harness]

that's a good thing. I can finally free my benny and xiangling.

[glad harness]

right now, Im thinking bennett or thoma.

[tiny sedge]

My xiangling it is already built normal so probably will not change it

[glad harness]

but bennett won't buff anyone if the team runs on full EM haha

[tiny sedge]

To do burn consistently, it does not need a lot of pyro application though, only need reapply dendro

[glad harness]

just need reapply dendro.

and pyro

the decay rate will be pyro and dendro combine.

[tiny sedge]

If using kazuha to apply pyro from pyro infusion, it take his stats right? he is already build with EM

[glad harness]

that's if they are not changing it

yes, it takes kazuha stat

how much dmg does kazuha do per 20s? 100k? 200k?

[tiny sedge]

i think bring kazuha bennett as usual is to be strong 🙃 but add dendro and intensify it is good

i do not have kazuha not sure what is his damage

[glad harness]

in aoe he does a lot

[tiny sedge]

kazuha bennett + burn is just even more strong ...

dendro is not react with anemo but make anemo so strong with intensify swirl and burn

[glad harness]

well, you may not get the intensified swirl since everything will be fire

but intensified will buff dendro damage.

[tiny sedge]

is burning have dendro aura and pyro aura same time?

[glad harness]

yes

[tiny sedge]

Okay so kuki can make both overload and intensify same time, to buff dendro dps maybe

[glad harness]

exactly

in fact, kuki will be best choice if the dendro one is a dps!

im hoping dendro em dps

[tiny sedge]

i hope to have main dps at least one for each of the elements

[glad harness]

if not using kuki then you can use sayu instead of kazuha and a raiden maybe

[tiny sedge]

dendro dps can also probably use EM, depend on how overgrow reaction can work but because it is dendro damage it is scale from their EM? i guess

[glad harness]

[tiny sedge]

happy kuki is possibly still okay character, most early tc was very bad for her

[glad harness]

well, even without dendro she's still decent. Being electro healer is really good. People just like big dmg.

same stuff when kokomi came out

[tiny sedge]

I like she is electro healer , just most of her kit it feels useless. the HP drain, burst no utility, and bad ascension talents is confused

electro heal and slow electro application for dendro reaction i think is best parts for her

[glad harness]

I don't really like the slow electro application actually. It hinders a lot of dmg

[tiny sedge]

i think slow is bad for overload or electro charge reaction but it is okay so it is not too much electro for intensify ? so she is trigger not dendro character instead

[glad harness]

burning will be able to keep up the pyro aura even if kuki applies electro every second

so faster application just means free overload damage.

[tiny sedge]

it makes sense for overload yes

just worry for dendro aura it is not enough information if there is consistent element applier like a xingqiu or fischl for it, or if there is not many option like for Pyro with mostly xiangling only

[glad harness]

actually, you are rightt.

[tiny sedge]

I think if it is consistent applier like a xingqiu/fischl and easy to build, not need so high ER like xiangling, then have kuki as fast application would be best instead

if it is not consistent only , then apply dendro and then kuki it is ok

[glad harness]

If using xiangling, then I can keep the burning aura up even at lisa level of electro application. But if using thoma and the dendro character can only apply slowly, then electro may take over

[tiny sedge]

yes thoma is only so slow sadly

xiangling is also need very high ER for burst

she is only pyro in your team with no bennett it can be hard, and will not be able to have full EM

[glad harness]

yep. solo pyro xiangling is bad.

now I just need to know which character EM will burning take.

[tiny sedge]

[glad harness]

there is no dendro damage that apply dendro in the game currently.

[tiny sedge]

sadly..

apply pyro to self and walk to samachurl vines take dendro damage 🙃

not sure if it apply dendro or no

[glad harness]

I don't know if that dendro damage apply dendro

[tiny sedge]

I think to balance reaction more it can be inconsistent like electro charge for what is ownership

[glad harness]

wiki says dendro vines do phys damage

[glad harness]

yes, maybe. In that case I will just build EM on both.

[tiny sedge]

it is maybe not good to do that ? because for taser team the electro charge is usually not so important

it is build EM stats on both characters only to use the stats inconsistently when can build normal damage instead

[glad harness]

that is because those hydro and electro characters want to build attack dmg crit. but in this case, thoma does no damage with tradditional build, while there is a chance that the dendro char will scale with EM

I may consider otherwise if the pyro char is klee or yoi or xiangling.

[tiny sedge]

I see, just lose on thoma shield but if it is not needed then it is ok

[glad harness]

thoma shield strength is not needed because kuki heals!

[tiny sedge]

play normal pyro dps like klee or diluc or yoimiya it is probably just normal build

okay right there is already kuki to do that

[glad harness]

also, thoma ult shield will not break no matter what, if you can attack frequently

[tiny sedge]

i haven't used thoma, but seem like his shield strong enough then

i will just keep my 4instructor EM set ready, i think useful for someone eventually then with the new reactions

[glad harness]

his shield is very weak if not hp build and do normal attacks. But what's great about him is that his ult reapply a mini shield with every attack. You can take damage, but you won't be interupted.

[tiny sedge]

Okay , who is your plan for anemo character for this team ?

Kazuha it seem good for reapply pyro and high EM also

[glad harness]

kuki thoma kazuha dendro.

or heizou/sucrose/AMC instead of kazuha. Kazuha dmg buff does not work in the team

but his cc is unrivaled.

[tiny sedge]

i see, heizou/sucrose is maybe good because it is normal attacks and can swirl well. dendro if it is enough application can always have burning 2u pyro on enemy consistent for his swirl

[glad harness]

or sayu if you like to roll! self burning can guarantee a pyro ball

[tiny sedge]

sayu is my favorite character so it is maybe

did tc for xiangling/kuki team with sayu earlier for rolling with many reactions

[glad harness]

hmm if you have a self dendro aura, a thoma E or xinyan E can instantly burn yourself. This is great!

[tiny sedge]

🙃 it is not useful, like barbara/xingqiu freezing self

[glad harness]

@tiny sedge there is a very interesting thread about burning in kqm discord. basically, burning changes ownership in real time depending on the last trigger. So, the faster you apply pyro, the more instance of damage will be based of EM of the pyro char, and vice versa. This means that xiangling EM build here we go!

if xiangling is built normally, she will hinders burning damage.

[tiny sedge]

Oh, usually trigger will be dendro character instead though I thought ? Because pyro aura stay but only need to reapply dendro to continue burning...

It is reaction that has both aura at same time like electro charge, it can be confusing and split ownership also
I think build Thoma, Dendro, Anemo, and Kuki all EM will be maybe difficult but can try it

[lofty blaze]

How many days before Kuki?

[lucid ginkgo]

5-6 days

[lofty blaze]

Thanks that gives me time to prep

Here's a quick rundown of artifact sets I'll nab to try, is this good enough?

1. Ocean-Hued Clam, healer set
2. TOM, healer set
3. TOM, EDC
4. 4pc. Instructors, full EM for reaction comps

I want to try full EM OHC and full EM TOM as well but trying to get EM is ass so I'm not gonna even try.

[lucid ginkgo]

people generally recommend hp sands, hp gob, and healing bonus totm for artifacts

but if you do wanna make her a dps, then pale flame is bis since she can have 100% uptime with her E

i'm not too familiar with some of the actual elemental builds, but probably 2 piece totm and noblesse

[keen sinew]

I personally wouldn't do Ocean Hue, she will only do 2 ticks of healing per bubble pop and her healing isn't that high that make it worth it

[lofty blaze]

That's what I'm here to find out, sometimes you just gotta see how bad it is with your own eyes.

[nimble linden]

kuki might fit in this team?

with TOTM ofc

[small turtle]

yes

[maiden dawn]

Mdps kuki comp?

[vapid basin]

3 ticks

#958686317158469653 message

[gray frigate]

so whats better artifacts for kuki

[small turtle]

!!kuki

[olive tree]

Head over to #・faq for a comprehensive Kuki Pre-TC and Leaks FAQ!

[maiden dawn]

Phys kuki or reaction dps kuki?

[vapid basin]

dont think ive seen side by side calcs, but i did hear overload speculated to be her strongest personal dmg

[vague marsh]

Do we know how many cons we will need for kuki in order to be good?

[keen sinew]

c2 since that gives her 100% uptime on her skill

[glad harness]

for overload team, may consider her c4 too.

but if kuki is only for the purpose of healing and electro application then no need any const.

[glad harness]

Specters farming is killing mee

[cerulean bane]

how did this thread survive the ping

[tardy cosmos]

kuki survives everything

[spare torrent]

No one cares about Shinobu.

[tardy cosmos]

she's that capable

[frosty glen]

they keel shinobu kit man

[sinful jay]

Maybe someone will care

Once dendro comes out

[frosty glen]

[opaque pike]

[split sorrel]

I didn't even know we had this 💀

[hollow cairn]

tbh ive got enough meta characters at this point idc if dps kuki is bad

imma build jade cutter kuki for funsies

[haughty mural]

Anyone else doing hp/electro/hp with some crit for fav sword?

EM subs of course

[small turtle]

nope

i have hp/hp/hb with 40+ cr for fav

on farming tf for EM pieces

[tiny sedge]

My builds I have is Fav Totm HP/HP/HB and Iron Sting Instructors EM/EM/EM

Her damage it look bad so not want to build Electro for her anymore

[tawdry bone]

Can she heal others in coop?

yes

[cloud ermine]

kuki feels like a 3.5*

[bitter nova]

hoi

[zealous compass]

[bitter nova]

i need opinions

[tiny sedge]

[bitter nova]

i plan on pitting shinobu on my team

but

idk if she will be good with itto

who atm is my main dps

is she a good subdps?

[quiet onyx]

read the leaks-faq channel

[tiny sedge]

She is okay for last spot in Itto usual team which is Itto Gorou Albedo
She give heal and crystallize so it is ok

[bitter nova]

she heals??!

[zealous compass]

of course

[bitter nova]

i did not expect that

[tiny sedge]

She is main purpose for heal on skill, her personal damage not so strong because of split scaling and low talent multplier

[bitter nova]

ohhh

thats a shame

[zealous compass]

if u get c2, she has 100% uptime on healing

[bitter nova]

i totally know what that means

[tiny sedge]

There is some team where she is build EM and can do okay

[tiny sedge]

She has very high uptime on heal, 12 seconds of heals, 15 second cooldown so almost all time. C2 make it 15 second heals

[bitter nova]

ohhh

can she heal off field too

[tiny sedge]

Yes

Only heal off field she cannot on field heal

[zealous compass]

her heal is like barbara,qiqi E

except she generates energy

[tiny sedge]

She does not have normal attack to do team heals or a burst heal like Barbara

[bitter nova]

ohhh

[zealous compass]

true

just the passive skill heal

[bitter nova]

so literally just qiqi

[tiny sedge]

Her heal tick is smaller but faster . It tick every 1.5 second

[bitter nova]

but instead of also healing while attacking she just had

hm ok

whats a good sword for her

[tiny sedge]

Fav sword it is good to give more energy to team

[bitter nova]

what abt

sacrificial

or the

[zealous compass]

not ideal

[bitter nova]

the uh

[tiny sedge]

Her burst hit many times so it is easy to get fav effect even if crit low

[bitter nova]

the inazuma crafting sword

i just want a sword to match her

[zealous compass]

doesn't really do anything

[bitter nova]

i care a lot abt aesthetics

[tiny sedge]

Sacrificial is maybe okay because it lower her hp faster, but not best

Not many swords are so great for her so I think Inazuma sword aesthetic is best for that

[bitter nova]

also what does her heaing scale off of so i can stary farming

[bitter nova]

ohh ok

[tiny sedge]

Heal scale from HP

[zealous compass]

so

aesthetics may be festering desire ?

[tiny sedge]

Common build is Tenacity of millileth set because it give attack buff and help her heal

[bitter nova]

so i assume a good set would either be

koko set

tanacity + maidens/ koko

maidens

[tiny sedge]

Clam set it is not so good because her heal only 1 person at a time, bubble damage smaller than others

[bitter nova]

ohhh

[tiny sedge]

Full maiden is best for heals only

Recommend full 4pc tenacity though

[bitter nova]

so 4 peice tenacity

im alr trying to get good tenacity for yelan

[tiny sedge]

It give attack buff consistently because her skill hit with good uptime

[bitter nova]

but i keep getting phys artifacts

[tiny sedge]

eventually you get it

Kuki not need very good artifacts, main stat is mostly enough to get good heals

[bitter nova]

ohh ok good

[tiny sedge]

HP/HP/Heal bonus

[bitter nova]

and since shes off the field she wont need crit or wtvr anyways

[tiny sedge]

Crit is only for favonius sword

[bitter nova]

also i cant decide if i should prioritize getting c1 itto or redhorn

[tiny sedge]

C1 it is only more stacks for Itto right

[bitter nova]

is it?

[zealous compass]

I mean you're getting shinobu, so just go all the way

[bitter nova]

yeah but i need redhorn for itto because rn im using an r3 whiteblind and tbh i just want better dmg

and a weapon that matches him

and it may be a while before redhorn comes back and i could technically get shinobu anytime..

[zealous compass]

then go for it

[tiny sedge]

If aesthetic most important it is your choice..

But weapon banner it is very expensive

[bitter nova]

i only do abyss sometimes so i might as well

[bitter nova]

yeah thats why im iffy on it

i dont wanna end up getting another pjws or memory of dust or any catalyst at that matter

[zealous compass]

also the Memory Of Dust is rated up

kinda effy

[tiny sedge]

Memory it is still ok weapon but not best banner overall

[bitter nova]

or any skyward weapons o gosh

but im also on 50/50 for event banner

and i have 41 pity on weapon

[tiny sedge]

Gamble 🙃

I hope you get early

[bitter nova]

yeah me too

4 more days of saving

thankfully i have welkin

and an upcoming birthday..

[tiny sedge]

4 days but also 3 week banner more chance for wishes

[bitter nova]

that aswell

[zealous compass]

how many wishes do u have

[bitter nova]

rn just one but i intend on spending soon

ive been mildly building pity because it wouldnt hurt to get aqua simuclara for ganyu

ALSO does anyone have the hangout pictures for shinobu

i have one

but thats it

if it even is one it could be fake

[zealous compass]

just wait 4 days

[tiny sedge]

She is so cute

[zealous compass]

there is probably

[tiny sedge]

[olive coral]

I don’t get why people would want to pull for Kuki

She is literally a healer who needs to heal first before she heals everyone else… imagine running her in a team against the corrosion wolves or something 😂😂😂😂

[tiny sedge]

She is cute

Don't need to heal her as much, though corrosion can be a problem. She want to be low HP
Have an electro healer is good but other from heal she is not so good

[vague marsh]

Would it be troll if I used Raiden, Yae, Sara, and Kuki on a team together? They’re all electro waifus from inazuma so I’m thinking it could be funny

[timber fjord]

Quick question , Is Kuki Good/Mid/ Bad as a support AND if she got millelith set and full EM with FS (if possible)

[noble elbow]

if pure support, assuming hp/hp/hb and totm, i'd say yes

[timber fjord]

Yes at what? Good Mid Bad?

[noble elbow]

oh oops i never answered the actual question

she's like
mid-high if you build for pure heals

full em diminishes her healing capability in exchange for reaction dmg

[timber fjord]

High mid or bad ??

[noble elbow]

as a support, i'd say mid
in terms of damage, it's okay

if you build em

but i'm no expert, i'm not a tester + she's not out yet so take everything i say with a side of salt

[terse cliff]

thoughts on shinobu/ayato/yelan/kaz instead of fischl

obvious damage downgrade, but is it that big of a difference? bc kuki provides healing, something you don’t get in the original one

[tiny sedge]

I think most of Ayato Fischl teams, Fischl is character who do most of damage overall in them so remove her is too much downgrade.. Maybe better to replace Kazuha with a Sayu/Jean instead if want VV and heal

[copper bridge]

So how good is Kuki gonna be in a taser team?

[stark grove]

good in any environment where you value the healing, bad in any environment where you value more the damage

[copper bridge]

Is that enough of a reason to try and roll for her?

[zealous compass]

she's the first healer, with off field electro application. she has to be worth pulling just for that.

I am only skipping because its itto's banner

[stark grove]

I understand your point, but is a very abd point

[zealous compass]

we had kokomi with the same situation right

[stark grove]

do you value more the healing or the damage? do you need better time on abyss or not die in abyss, is up to you

[stark grove]

not really, Barbara exists since 1.0

[zealous compass]

yeah like thats the point, lisa exists

she can heal

[stark grove]

but is not good healing if you care about healing

Barbara Healing is actually good

[zealous compass]

but she freezes you

[stark grove]

Kokomi and XQ too

[zealous compass]

wait Kokomi freezes?

[stark grove]

and that's something I don't get, why would you use a character that freeze you, in a chamber vs cryo

you can always adapt your teams, a Jean could be more valuable in those cases for example

[zealous compass]

damn, is it every hydro dot ?

or just the cast

[stark grove]

cast

[zealous compass]

thats better

[stark grove]

and reset the duration with burst doesn't re-stack the self hydro

but she can freeze you

in a very shorter window than barbara, but it can fuck you up

[amber plover]

If you can run healerless there's not much of a reason to run a healer unless you're Bennett or Kokomi tbh
But if you're switching from something like Ayato/Beidou/Fischl/Jean to Ayato/Kazuha/Fischl/Kuki it should be pretty good considering how much anemo groupers love taser and how good Ayato is with grouping

Although at that point you might as well replace Kuki for Bennett if he's available for Soup
We'll see

[copper bridge]

I have been considering a taser comp with Heizou

I'm already rolling for Kazuha, and I might as well make good use of Heizou

Especially when I have this

[amber plover]

Mhm that sounds good

My friend plans to run Heizou/Yelan/Yae/Kuki which sounds decent
2 Fav weapons on Yelan and Kuki should make up for the loss of Fischl along with what little generation Kuki has (for Yae)

[green dagger]

what are you planning on running for Kuki?

[primal grove]

Can anybody tell me whats best phys build for shinobu?

[small turtle]

!!kuki

[olive tree]

Head over to #・faq for a comprehensive Kuki Pre-TC and Leaks FAQ!

[sour oracle]

@hasty wind

[hasty wind]

✅

How strong is her overall healing?

[small turtle]

!!kuki you can check the mastersheet on healing

[olive tree]

Head over to #・faq for a comprehensive Kuki Pre-TC and Leaks FAQ!

[hasty wind]

What is HB means in the Healing Master Catalog?

[tiny sedge]

It is healing bonus

[brave mica]

Hello, if I wanted to share my Kuki Build, would it be posted here or elsewhere?

[zealous compass]

post it

[brave mica]

teehee. this is mostly a heavy healer build

[tiny sedge]

I think if it is healer build maybe to do healing bonus circlet instead ? Wanderer's troupe is also not so useful for heals because her A4 talent is flat increase not very strong

[edgy ocean]

hello kuki wanters! i just wanna ask the best 4star weapons for her. ty!!

[small turtle]

favonius

[primal grove]

Whats kukis best physical artifact set?

[small turtle]

4pc SR

!!kuki

[olive tree]

Head over to #・faq for a comprehensive Kuki Pre-TC and Leaks FAQ!

[winter quiver]

how good is kuki shinobu as a healer/support? Is she mid like Sayu or better?

[idle turret]

Pale flame is good too

[primal grove]

Her ele skill consistant enough to keep the 4pc bonus up?

[idle turret]

100% uptime

[bitter nova]

is the craftable imazuma sword good on her at all

[tiny sedge]

If it is support build it is not help her much, only increases skill damage. Energy passive is not so good she can only get 1 stack because of 15 second cooldown

it look good though

[bitter nova]

sobs

ill use it anyways

[tiny sedge]

Aesthetic is nice 🙏 not many other good swords for her anyway. Only lose energy from Favonius or EM from iron sting

[vague marsh]

What’s the best way to build Shinobu with weapons and artifacts?

[rotund basin]

4 Piece Tenacity is best artifact set for her as far as team buff

if you want healer, you have two options with Clam or Maiden's

You can also run Noblesse for team buff as well

weapons are situational imo

[vague marsh]

I’m gonna build her as a meme to use with my Ei, Yae, Sara, what artifacts and weapon should I use with her in that case?

[rotund basin]

Noblesse or Tenacity

depends on your Sara build

[tiny sedge]

I think if Sara already she is on Noblesse, can give Tenacity for Shinobu

[rotund basin]

^

and stats for Shinobu should be HP/HP/(HP/Healing%) on artifacts

[tiny sedge]

Substat some crit is okay for Fav but with 4 electro and raiden she is probably not need more energy

[vague marsh]

Sara has EosF

[rotund basin]

NO is your best choice then