kuki-theorycrafting

[keen sinew]

well she supposed to be a tank

[grand willow]

They probably thought he'd be too good if he had high base def and def scaling attacks on top of buffing himself

So they just played it safe and nerfed his damage

Not that his damage is even that good to begin with

[mental topaz]

Should Kuki use Clam or ToM in a Eula triple cryo team

I’ve been a little torn on this one

The team has -98% phys shred I figured Clam wouldn’t be so bad

[wooden sundial]

ToM

Ocean does like...I think 2k DPS for Kuki?

7k bubbles

[mental topaz]

So even 100% phys shred won’t help?

[wooden sundial]

You're looking at maybe 1k DPS, I would think?

Assuming max uptime of the shred

Well, hmm

I guess that makes it 1.5k vs. 4k DPS for Kuki

At that point, it has to be sheeted probably

Since ToM is a pretty hearty DPS buff to the members that are actually doing damage, since Eula triple cryo is starving for ATK% buffs

[mental topaz]

True

Shenhe and Rosa can’t use ToM either

[wooden sundial]

Well, Rosa or Shenhe would NO

Probably Shenhe in that case

[mental topaz]

Yup

[wooden sundial]

And then ToM would stack

Which would let you stack more CV

[mental topaz]

It’s convenient farming ToM since it’s with Pale Flame for Eula

I think Rosa I’ll give 4p emblem

[wooden sundial]

I wouldn't even jump the gun because Kuki is so up in the air right now

Her kit is pretty borked, which means who knows what they plan on doing with her

Plus rumors of extensions of 2.6

[mental topaz]

Ahh yea

[wooden sundial]

Changing her E to be party healing would basically make Ocean the hands-down winner

Which is a last-minute change they could actually implement

[mental topaz]

Hopefully

[simple cypress]

Party wide heal with 100% uptime would be incredibly op
And it would also completely defeat her 50% hp mechanic

[tawdry bone]

and party heal excluding shinobu would just be

yeah

stupid op

[maiden dawn]

do u know if kuki can battery beidou?

[little forge]

Guys, did you see last wording changes? So is Kuki meta now?

Last changes

[spare plume]

For co-op, in essence nth

[little forge]

It was actually a joke attempt regarding how Kuki doesn't get any changes but for wording of her skills

[maiden dawn]

do u know if kuki can battery beidou?

[cold pumice]

She can battteyr kuki just like yae can

So not really

[unique sphinx]

not really kuki has bad energy gen, but you can use fav in her tho but fischl is still way better

[stone jacinth]

[vast fiber]

Is fav a requirement for her? I was hoping I could use festering…

[shrewd crescent]

I personally wouldn't say "requirement" it is for support

[rain rock]

can I just use 4pc noblesse for raiden yae kuki kazu team or do I have to farm ToM for kuki?

[small turtle]

Depending on the rotation of it. I used TotM as oppose to NO due to Kuki bursting after Yae QEEE

Depends on the rotation honestly but can still work

[violet cove]

Reading Kuki's skill desc it sounds like...standing beside coop players will heal them too??

[frosty jewel]

would be so nice if they made kuki skill like gorou burst

in terms of AoE

[shrewd crescent]

[tawdry bone]

Yes, kuki is saved!

[torpid oak]

Finally! If we huddle in a 4 person co-op, we might even be able to do semi-reasonable Clam damage!

[little forge]

Friendship meta

[unkempt ginkgo]

I feel like 4TF bennett can be a better electro battery than Kuki

[glad harness]

Trust me, Hoyovo is focusing on Yeahlan first. Next 3 weeks will be Kuki's turn

[elfin quartz]

what do we think about kuki with 4 thundering fury for high skill uptime

nvm am clown forgor 4 tenacity existed

[wooden sundial]

Isn't skill uptime 100% with cons?

[lament cargo]

yes

[shrewd crescent]

Yeet

[rigid hazel]

Have beta ended? are there still hope?

[shrewd crescent]

There was never any hope

[unique sphinx]

There is no hopium only disappointment

[stone jacinth]

There's still preload

[modern ice]

How is kuki's batterying potential?
Can a beidou sucrose xq kuki work?

Kuki can have favonius sword too

If this works then she is not too bad

[cold pumice]

not great

[shrewd crescent]

I like how it always comes back to "at least she can hold fav"

[modern ice]

If xq has fav and kuki also has fav, this should be able to battery beidou, right?

I mean, it works
Beidou's ER should be much lower since this doesnt include kuki's E, (keqing is kuki)

True

Lisa is very energy hungry tho , and cant battery beidou well , not sure if pamber lisa is worth it

[shrewd crescent]

It's foreshadowing

Hoyo is planning electro healer in sumeru

[modern ice]

Dendro healer is 100% coming, and we all know its going to be yao yao
I hope they dont ruin her

[shrewd crescent]

How can you ruin dendro polearm

[wooden sundial]

Kuki isn't good for her niche though?

That's actually the problem.

You give up way too much DPS for way too little healing

[spice sundial]

he's already meh

[fossil forum]

I assume it's because people are running out of excuses for a subpar kit?

although granted I do recall something similar with Gorou and he turned out ok

[main bay]

Gorou released along side itto and he is a buffer

Kuki isnt a buffer at all

[alpine dock]

She's literally the only character in her niche wdym

[wooden sundial]

For a healer?

[alpine dock]

Not every player is gonna feel comfortable running proto amber Lisa

It's trading comfort for having an electro healer

[wooden sundial]

You act as if you couldn't make another slot the healer

Which you basically always can for less DPS loss

[alpine dock]

In terms of electro healer only. Not making another element the healer slot

[wooden sundial]

Okay? She's the only electro healer, and her output is so low that is irrelevant

I'm hard pressed to find a single comp where it is worth the tradeoff

Where a better defensive tradeoff does not exist for less cost

You basically lose the utility/DPS of an entire slot for 7k healing every 3s

Seriously, just stick ZL there and you're almost always better off

[alpine dock]

My point is, not everyone cares about the damage trade if they just want an electro and healer in same slot to run

[wooden sundial]

Again, you're looking at it too myopically

The healer doesn't have to be that slot, ever

Swap Kaz for Jean or Sayu

Or the hydro for Koko

Or shove in ZL over Kaz for shred / dmg%

All of these are better choices

[alpine dock]

I'm not arguing that. I'm just stating that she's still the only electro healer so she's the only one in that niche. Honestly most casual players don't think that deep

[wooden sundial]

Electro healer isn't a niche

Healer is the niche

The tool you want is "I need to deal with corrosion, so shielding won't work"

Kuki is an awful answer to that question

[spice sundial]

Eula teams, trade Fischl Diona for Kuki + cryo dps or something else

[wooden sundial]

Seriously doubt that would be a win, Diona gens a ton of particles for Eula and lowers her ER% reqs a lot

[spice sundial]

she's not the only cryo battery

[wooden sundial]

I'm aware

[crimson oasis]

kuki buff when

[spice sundial]

3.0

[tawdry bone]

never

[plush mirage]

if she can replace zhong as a 4*, that's a niche ig

ofc you lost the shield so only applicable with max stagger res like eula/raiden ult

[kind trail]

theres a particular niche team comp where she could fill the role in as a healer, with TF Ayato. Basically run TF Ayato with Kuki, Beidou/Yunjin, Anemo and you have a pretty decent team comp. With her skill being a 15s duration with no downtime, she could justify having Ayato run TF to reset his E indefinitely.

[wooden sundial]

Is that worth it over using Jean though?

[kind trail]

well it allows you to run Kazuha or Venti instead

[wooden sundial]

I'd maybe agree if Kuki's particle gen wasn't half of Fischl's

Which is going to tax Beidou's ER%

[kind trail]

ur logic can be said the other way around, is it worth trading Kazuha for Jean?

[amber plover]

Being able to run taser with Kazuha is revolutionary for both Ayato and Childe imo even if Shinobu is a meh unit by herself

[wooden sundial]

Well, it'd be a function of sheeting the DPS loss

My main skepticism comes from Kuki's obscenely low DPR

Since she'd have to compete with either Sayu or Jean

There are lots of places where Kuki would be ideal since her opportunity cost is the lowest as an electro healer

But even with a lower opportunity cost the loss in DPR by slotting her is enormous

[kind trail]

My biggest personal issue with Fischl is that Oz is a seriously awkward 10s duration. It makes it difficult to swirl both hydro and electro before switching to Ayato if Fischl is your only Electro unit. This is why I prefer running Yae Miko over Fischl just for the 14s totem duration.

[amber plover]

Yeah not being able to snapshot is more of a boon in these types of situations

[wooden sundial]

It does become 12s at C6 though

[kind trail]

tell that to my c2 fischl

[wooden sundial]

"It does become 12s when you hit C6, Fischl"

[amber plover]

I think the tradeoff is good considering how well Kazuha synergises with taser comps especially when Ayato/Childe/Yae all love grouped up enemies
You could make an argument that the Jean variation has better single target DPS which would make sense, but I don't think Shinobu is that much worse than her considering how if you can get 30k/40k bursts, that's immediately better than what Jean does in a rotation, while also having an almost 100% uptime ToTM buff and shoving the VV to another teammate.

I think the main competition is like
How much will the loss of Fischl or Beidou or whatever the Electro unit you're planning to kick out, affect your overall team comp

Because Fischl is pretty nutty with Ayato and so are Beidou and Yae

but if Kazuha or even Sucrose end up providing more than said Electro character then it's definitely worth imo

[wooden sundial]

Well, that's the core question
But Fischl + Ayato is nuts and Beidou has a 10000% MV Q

The gap between them and Kuki probably dwarfs that of Kaz vs. Jean/Sayu

Or at least that's my very strong intuition based on previous sheeting

There's also the fact that not all healing is equal.
Kuki healing is also very unimpressive and doesn't handle corrosion particularly well in a number of comps

[median sapphire]

mhy should nerf her healing but make it so she heals all party members

So it’ll be overall buff

😔

[hollow river]

does kuki self apply electro?

[median sapphire]

Don’t think so

[icy granite]

Does Kuki have any uses?

[median sapphire]

yeah, but she likely won’t be better than some other electros

[icy granite]

Rip

[fierce echo]

do we know her particle generation

[cold pumice]

Every time it ticks

0.45 chance of a single particle

Or about that

[rigid hazel]

Fischl is 0.6 right?

[cold pumice]

yes

and ticks faster too

[frosty jewel]

Yo dendro reaction leaked

I assume kuki can build EM to boost electro damage?

[cold pumice]

Her EM scaling is shit

As in barely more than flat stats

[spice sundial]

it doesn't matter
i bet the debuff scales with EM
dendro carry + kuki = ??

[cold pumice]

or just Yae

The other EM scaling electro

[spice sundial]

it seems like a straight up buff to EC teams

[frosty jewel]

Yeah but kuki actually ends up getting a niche if the buff scales with em

[spice sundial]

we might not need electro batteries anymore

[unique sphinx]

Ya they might be finally moving on from the energy hungry Inazuma meta

[shrewd crescent]

Don't cope dude

[mental topaz]

The Kuki buffs we’ve been waiting for was… Dendro?

[shrewd crescent]

No

[ivory marten]

does kuki ult heal or nop?

[mental topaz]

Trust

[unique sphinx]

Even Dendro cope couldn't make kuki good

[shrewd crescent]

It doesn't

[mental topaz]

Believe

[unique sphinx]

Hey on the bright side at least Electro got a buff

[ivory marten]

yess

my yae is happy

[tawdry bone]

the only good thing about the reaction for Kuki is the energy particle, you won't need a battery anymore, but I doubt even a reaction that buffs dmg would make Kuki's shit dmg good

[unique sphinx]

Let's see if Keqing becomes better than Diluc after Dendro lol

[ivory marten]

i knew the em passives were insinuating a reaction between dendro and electro

[ivory marten]

that is if they release like a dendro xingqiu 💀

[mental topaz]

I don’t see it as as a buff to Kuki’s personal damage

[tawdry bone]

same, only the energy

[mental topaz]

Makes her proc a useful reaction

[tawdry bone]

Kuki is still bad y'all

[unique sphinx]

I can totally see the Dendro archon having good off-field Dendro

[tawdry bone]

and you can no longer ride on the dendro cope train

[mental topaz]

Does the damage they take increase based on EM of the one who procced it

[unique sphinx]

Ya she is a little better than before

[mental topaz]

I didn’t see intensified say it dealt any type of damage

So maybe EM will just buff the damage taken

[shrewd crescent]

It will most likely do damage then activate buff

[unique sphinx]

Ya it's an Electro and Dendro dmg buff

[shrewd crescent]

Like SC

[unique sphinx]

But unlike SC it's not dependent of elemental res multipliers

It looks like a seperate damage taken multiplier similar to how Omen works

[spice sundial]

Omen is additive damage, same as other dmg% buffs

[ivory marten]

hmm true

[mental topaz]

They’ll just copy and paste dendro samachurl ability

[unique sphinx]

Oh then it could be different I guess

[cold pumice]

Only Niwabi Fire Dance and XQ C4 are multiplicative

[haughty dew]

So uh Kuki still cope right

[unique sphinx]

Archons copying their element's Slime abilities has already been proved

[spice sundial]

if the leaks are true she has a niche even if not meta

[cold pumice]

Abilities not really, connections sure

[mental topaz]

So the dendro archon will spawn dendro clones

[cold pumice]

Or just hide

[mental topaz]

Dendro dash like Ayaka & Mona perhaps?

It’s similar

[solemn plaza]

is kuki better with hp % or healing bonus circlet?

[unique sphinx]

Now that I think about it lv 90 Kuki already gets 20k hp with only a lv 20 flower and her heals aren't much even after investing in ho could it be her purpose is to have high EM to and trigger intensify with high Electro and Dendro shred

[cold pumice]

Healing, her damage isn't really worth building for

[placid pine]

Kuki will be buffed by dendro!

[solemn plaza]

ok thanks

[placid pine]

Methinks

[unkempt ginkgo]

yo, Dendro here to replace electro resonance!

[shrewd crescent]

Instead of buffing resonance they brought a reaction.

[unkempt ginkgo]

lol

hopefully dendro archon can replace fischl in Childe fireworks

unlikely but, would be cool, finally a rainbow team being meta

also I'm guessing that's why Kuki's particles gen is cucked, to compensate for intensified

[shrewd crescent]

Lame

[frosty jewel]

We have sukoko :(((

[unique sphinx]

Electro res got powercrept by intensify lol

They should probably change it after Dendro comes out

[small turtle]

Now we wait for how much increase it is

[unique sphinx]

That's true but it's waytoodank to play properly for most players

[unkempt ginkgo]

oh right the retry team

also, did anyone notice? no mention of dmg in intensified

[silk stirrup]

it's probably like sc?

[unkempt ginkgo]

and they said in an earlier leak that dendro reactions scale on EM

[cold pumice]

tbf no one talks about the damage in super conduct

[unkempt ginkgo]

the only part that can scale is the dmg increase

hehehe

hopefully it is res shred and not dmg bonus

if it's dmg bonus, I'll skip all of Dendro I swear

[unique sphinx]

Ya which makes me assume that the debuff scales with EM

[unkempt ginkgo]

yup yup

[unique sphinx]

Why?

[unkempt ginkgo]

dmg bonus is already on diminishing returns for Beidou, Raiden and other emblem users

and for it to be not broken for non-emblems, it'll be meh for emblem users

[unique sphinx]

True...

[unkempt ginkgo]

also, EM kuki won't be so bad bc reactions scale on trigger character's EM

[unique sphinx]

Ya all EM is probably what Devs intended for kuki since even with investment her dmg or healing is not that good

4ToM with all EM would make her a unit that heals,buffs atk and shreds Electro and Dendro

[unkempt ginkgo]

at least she'll be easy to build

yea

[unique sphinx]

Ya

If Intensify has good scaling then Kuki might not be that bad of a unit

[supple oriole]

so this is where all the dendro copium went to

[unkempt ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/handshake-three-caballeros-ducktales-ducktales2017-jose-carioca-gif-20577143

[unique sphinx]

Well ya since Dendro reactions are out we can atleast assume if it would work

[supple oriole]

I hope Dendro characters have EM buffing kits instead of wanting you to build EM on the character

if the DMG% scales of EM

[unkempt ginkgo]

• battery if the extra reaction particle helps her enough (almost doubles particle gen for average case and reliable dendro aura)

45% x 8 hits is 3.6 particles over 12 sec
3.33 sec per particle
and if there's enough dendro, we can expect 1 particle every 3 sec

[supple oriole]

also lmao what if Overgrown is just renamed overdose and Intensify actually doesn't scale with EM at all

the reaction is just a debuff on enemy with a base state

[unique sphinx]

Kuki has 22k hp with 2pc ToM at lv 90 which should be enough hp for her healing and Q

[daring owl]

people got the smallest crumbs for reactions and they inhale all the copium cant blame them tho i do the same

[unique sphinx]

So triple EM rest for reactions

[unique sphinx]

Yep you are one of us

[unkempt ginkgo]

https://twitter.com/projectcelestia/status/1464269727707058179

Project Celestia (@projectcelestia)

A bit more information concerning these reactions:

• The current data suggests that "Overdose" will scale based on Elemental Mastery.
• As for "overGrow", there are multiple mentions of "mushroom" and "mushroom_seed".

This is all skeleton data and incredibly early however.

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🛑

intesify scale foreva!

[supple oriole]

[unkempt ginkgo]

my dreams still safe

[tired berry]

I told y’all coping for Dendro will be worth it

☺️

We were not delusional after all

[supple oriole]

oh wait they did say they nerfed the scaling the other day

[unkempt ginkgo]

as long as you can dump 1k EM on Kuki, I guess the nerf can't hurt her,
tho viability might be questionable for other characters

[supple oriole]

curious to see whether it's better to build EM mainstates or just stick to EM substates and using EM buffers

[daring owl]

I hope we get a dendro em buffer

[unkempt ginkgo]

em buffers are usually the intectual types, right? Baizhu

[supple oriole]

cuz like building EM main state on Yae for example isn't good, so like the reaction buff have to be hefty enough to make build EM main states worth over ATK

[small turtle]

In contrast to it, all the EM that she has on subs may be of use now

As well as the passives relating to EM -> DMG

[unkempt ginkgo]

Yae's EM scaling is kinda... special, even Sayu's EM healing is worth building but Yae's is really low

[supple oriole]

yea the EM subs might have more values now, but just wondering about mainstates

[supple oriole]

What about kuki's EM scaling ?

don't know much about kuki

[daring owl]

depending how it works if it gives dmg% you might be able to ditch electro goblet

[small turtle]

Forgetting ownership

But if dendr really is just a EM build as well

[supple oriole]

official dendro announcement soon

[spice sundial]

damage is bad but healing is decent

i guess she can work as healer/debuffer
the burst can also trigger a bunch of reactions for particles if there's enough dendro gage

[unkempt ginkgo]

The numbers don't 'look' low but when someone did the calcs, dmg was around as much as you would get by building hp

yea, it was snow I think

[supple oriole]

hmmm

interesting

But still think if the Dendro character can buff EM it would be better

[unkempt ginkgo]

||Baizhu||

[tired berry]

Yae works best with EM buffers like Diona and especially Sucrose, but for the sake of team comps and space I hope there’s a Dendro EM buffer early on so I can use her with Kuki too

[daring owl]

i hope it will be one that works off field

[tawdry bone]

kuki build, 2pc clam & 2pc shimenawa

[rare abyss]

you're building E damage ?

[tawdry bone]

yea

plus extra 23 crit rate with harbinger of dawn passive

[low cypress]

doesnt her e drain her health?

[median sapphire]

yall

Is dendro reaction gonna save kuki

[tawdry bone]

wait what

so like hu tao

[low cypress]

yes?

yea it takes 30% of current hp when you use her e

[unkempt ginkgo]

[grand willow]

what did i get autocensored for

intensify

dendro

anyway i can see kuki being core for dendro dps since she compresses the healer and intensify enabler roles

esp if intensify damage increase scales with EM

cant just use beidou or raiden

[opal crane]

I sure hope all of this is real but I have never seen so much copium for a character before

[main bay]

Copiumcreep

I would rather her being balanced for a new reaction than just be bad

But im reasonable skeptical

[tawdry bone]

What are some potential artifacts for Kuki ?

[main bay]

ToM

[tawdry bone]

Her skill does damage ?

[main bay]

Not really no

[tawdry bone]

Then how could tom work ?

[spice sundial]

i think we can expect that kuki can at least heal and trigger intensify
i don't see what's copium about that

[main bay]

Sorry i misunderstood . It does damage

Just not good damage

ToM will work

[tawdry bone]

So how does Kuki compare to others as a support ?
She seems like a nerfed Qiqi

[main bay]

The copium part is that she does either of those things much better than the other options

Enough to justify her shortcomings

[lament cargo]

Kuki offers decent healing, mediocre electro app, mediocre particle gen and hits a lot of times on ult

[main bay]

If frequency of the reaction is important than she loses because she doesn’t apply electro that fast. Her damage is lower than other electro options, and her heals have significant caveats

[lament cargo]

personally when I eventually get her on standard I plan to run 4ToTM and fav

[shrewd crescent]

But thanks to the power of dendro, she's saved

[main bay]

So unless intensify scales immensely on EM idk..

[tawdry bone]

How does she look as a MDPS :)))?

Wait what does her healing scale on ?

[shrewd crescent]

30k intensify procs

[main bay]

And even then. Woukdnt triggering intensify off of sayu swirl just be better

[shrewd crescent]

E dmg: atk%
E healing: hp

[tawdry bone]

Does Honey Impact have her info on there yet ?

[shrewd crescent]

It does

[tawdry bone]

Okay thanks could you link it to me :)?

[lament cargo]

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/shinobu/?lang=EN

[tawdry bone]

Thank You

[lament cargo]

[spice sundial]

maybe you want to run dendro/hydro/hydro/electro

[tawdry bone]

So the way her kit is made she's a healer that should always be at low health for her to be more useful ?

[shrewd crescent]

In a way yes

[tawdry bone]

So then could I just put Tenacity with DPS stats on her then she'd be good ?

[grand willow]

if intensify boost scales off EM you want someone with a consistent AOE proc that isnt too fast and who builds EM anyway

[shrewd crescent]

I mean yes? Or you can go hp/hp/hb

[tawdry bone]

Is Kuki's heals like Qiqi where she can use a normal attack and heal while her E is active ?

[shrewd crescent]

Or triple em

[lament cargo]

you want to run her as a dps right ?

[lament cargo]

No

[shrewd crescent]

No it's passive

[lament cargo]

kuki only heals on E

[shrewd crescent]

Like Barbara's if you don't attack

[tawdry bone]

Well as a Off Field DPS & a Healer

[shrewd crescent]

Hp/electro dmg/crit

[tawdry bone]

How does EM benefit her ?

[lament cargo]

I'd say go hp/electro/hb or crit

[shrewd crescent]

Boosts healing and e damage based on em. Its her passive

[tawdry bone]

Oh does her passive(s) not affect her burst ?

[shrewd crescent]

Boosts e damage based off of 25% of her em
Boosts healing based off of 75%

[shrewd crescent]

No

[tawdry bone]

Her ascension stat is HP right ?

[shrewd crescent]

Yes

[tawdry bone]

Okay thanks for answering my questions

[kind trail]

personally i would go Hp hp healing

with em sword

[shrewd crescent]

I'd rather die than slap anything em on her

Unless it's c6

Or subs

[kind trail]

with 12k base hp and her skill reducing her hp by 30% every time, ur usually going around with less than 50% hp

[tawdry bone]

How does Amenoma look on her for my role that i'll be using her as ?

[kind trail]

running her at 30k hp means u'll have 15k to spare most of the time

[winged furnace]

Would her normal attack talent need to be levelled?

[shrewd crescent]

I mean decent? I'm not sure how good her weapons are since I've only calculated jade cutter her bis so eh

[shrewd crescent]

Unless you're running phys no

[winged furnace]

Alright thanks

[tawdry bone]

How Jade Cutter ?

[kind trail]

im just gonna run this

[tawdry bone]

Wait what is that even out ?
I don't have that

[shrewd crescent]

Boosts hp by 20% and boosts her atk by her % of her hp

[kind trail]

u get it from the grilled tiger fish vendor at liyue, only 1 copy available per account

[shrewd crescent]

This in turn boosts phys damage since that scales of atk and her e damage. Also cause atk. Boosts her ult since hp scaling

[main bay]

thats why i said sayu. Heals, absorbtion. EM scaling, healing and vv in one pavkage

[median sapphire]

I foddered mine

[main bay]

Especially if dendro has no reaction with anemo

Means sayu will definitely absorb electro

[tawdry bone]

Does Kuki's skill generate particles ?

[main bay]

Yes. Its over time like fischl

But less than fischl

40% chance per tick iirc

She doesnt have energy issues

[tawdry bone]

Wait what how if it's a 40% chance ?

[grand willow]

then you have to take two chars for intensify + heal

[kind trail]

every hit of her skill has 0.4 chance to generate a particle

[main bay]

Wdym?

[kind trail]

something like Qiqi skill

[grand willow]

apart from being a healer sayu doesnt add anything for a dendro dps esp if VV doesnt work on dendro

[tawdry bone]

So she can't generate particles unless it's from another character, enemy or from a weapon ?

[grand willow]

so all she'd do is VV the electro and if there's multiple mobs in the area she might be able to proc a stronger intensify

[kind trail]

uhhhh... what? her skill ticks over time and deals damage

[grand willow]

i guess it depends on whether intensify works like EC/freeze where it only works while both are on the target or if its like superconduct where it just applies a debuff

[kind trail]

do u even have qiqi?

[tawdry bone]

Yes ?
I was asking about particle generation

[kind trail]

and thats exactly what i said

[unkempt ginkgo]

most probably the latter as it drops an electro particle, hoyo wouldn't want it to be too convenient

[grand willow]

if its the former than sayu potentially works with a single-shot electro like keqing but otherwise beidou/raiden etc. wont work since they'll overwrite any swirl-induced sayu intensify

[main bay]

I dont understand. U only running intensify to benefit electro and dendro. If u have an electro dps ur covered, if u have dendro dps, you run an electro subdps

[tawdry bone]

But Qiqi's skill doesn't generate particles

[grand willow]

if its the latter then it still wont work because the dendro main dps + electro sub dps will react with each other and leave sayu nothing to work with

[kind trail]

on cast, yes it doesnt. but over time, if it hits enemies it can*

[unkempt ginkgo]

yeah, that's why dendro supports would have to be em buffers to be useful with intensify

[grand willow]

you're saying that rather than using kuki to enable intensify for a hypothetical dendro main dps you would rather use some dps-built electro subdps and use sayu for heals/stronger intensify right

[main bay]

I dont think it will be an issue as much as u think. Every other reaction team carries the same risk, you just build a rotation that triggeres intensify. 7 seconds is alot of time to secure one reaction

[tawdry bone]

What it doesn't do that for me

[main bay]

Yes. Im supposing anyway. Its open for discussion

[grand willow]

im just not seeing the specific benefit of using sayu here

if you want to free up the slot for a different electro dps you could still use kuki + whoever

for the same number of slots

[main bay]

Sayu heals are better, she gets a bit more imo for EM investment and she can shred electro while still proccing the intensify

Electro has some of the most stacked subdps roster as well

So u get to run one of them and they get the boost

[grand willow]

the other assumption is that sayu is actually going to be able to proc intensify via swirl

i dont think its gonna work that well in practice

it would require 2+ mobs and one has to have only electro on it while the others only have dendro

[main bay]

Yea its an assumption, but sayu also can just straight up absorb electro as well

Matter of fact kazuha can work too

By same logic

But he wont save u a healer slot

[kind trail]

huh i just realised it doesnt, never noticed

[grand willow]

assuming it works like superconduct where the dendro+electro reacts instantly and clears both

its gonna require a very specific mob placement

lets say its like dendro mdps + raiden shogun + sayu

dendro applies dendro, raiden applies electro = intensify and sayu has nothing left to swirl

[main bay]

Or. U raiden E, swirl and then go ham with ur dendro lol

[grand willow]

even if raiden applies electro again after sayu cant proc intensify off it since the dendro is gone already

[main bay]

Thats a rotational adjustment

A simple one at that

[grand willow]

it would only work if you manage to apply electro to a mob that doenst have dendro on it already while keeping dendro on all the other mobs

[main bay]

If u start woth raiden e and swirl it theres no dendro yet

[grand willow]

then theres no intensify either

assuming the dendro dps applies dendro only while on field

if the dendro comes on and applies dendro later it'll be based off his EM and not sayu's

the dendro needs to already be on the mob

[main bay]

True. But we are stacking assumption to the moon now

We need to see how the gauges work

But i do see ur point. It still believe it works, especially for dendro support, electro mdps

But with dendero mdps, maybe kuki will be better there

Remains to be seen

[grand willow]

im basically just imagining superconduct but with EM scaling

like eula raiden sayu wouldnt work if you want sayu to hit the superconduct

[main bay]

🤔

Need more leaks

[grand willow]

i'd also be very surprised if swirl actually doesnt work on superconduct

probably just havent implemented whatever the reaction is gonna be yet

swirl doesnt work on dendro*

[pallid iris]

kuki might have the icd for intensify

[formal edge]

Everytime I check here I see dendro talk

Are we actually coping that hard

[spiral cairn]

when it comes to electro characters theres a lot of dendro cope

yae especially

[low cypress]

guys yae and kuki will be good with dendro

[mental stag]

[haughty mural]

Unless intensify has really good EM scaling i don't see the point of Yae and Kuki passive right now

[umbral sun]

I don't think the scaling needs to even that insane to be a dps increase in the right teams. Like right now Yae building EM will only increase her own damage (badly) but if it works like an EM scaling superconduct now Yae building some EM will increase her E dmg in two different ways, somewhat increase her Q dmg and probably most importantly increase Raiden dmg at the same time. If we are just talking yae alone as the electro dmg dealer then yeah you'd need pretty good EM scaling to see a dps increase.

Same principle for Kuki instead of just a healer that's electro your healer would also buff.

Still hoping that the scaling is insane tho. Just so that I can establish true electro supremacy.

[mental stag]

I would say ... intensified's dmg buff is not effected .. i mean it would be real annoying to control who is procing the reaction .. nd if it ended up being proced by the wrong chara at the wrong moment (as considering how electro chars are built its pretty much possible) ur dmg might end up becoming poopy

Cuz those kinda things thend to overwrite the previous version of the buff/effect .. weaker or stronger

So lets say u proced the reaction with 1k em chara that gave u 100 dmg bonus but just as u clicked Q for raiden .. Raiden's E decides to kick in nd proc a reaction with her 100 Em to give u 10 dmg bonus instead

It kills off entire rotation

Nd considering how raiden E works .. it always end up being the one that procs the reactions

So it would create another cope among community

[umbral sun]

Yeah if it works by applying the last intensify buff it definitely would be extremely difficult to manage as almost every electro character has at least some point at which their application is just insane.

[mental stag]

I can already hear all the cope over the community like

"Raiden messes the reactions .. she is not gud with this .. mihoyo did dirty to raiden" whatsoever

[umbral sun]

But I say we can't be sure that intensify shreds from different characters overwrite each other.

Definitely a possibility tho.

[mental stag]

Or reverse of it .. "i farmed insane em pieces for this chara but it keeps overwritten by pepeg units .. this reaction bs"

[umbral sun]

Yeah I'm not going to level EM pieces before I know exactly how this reaction works.

That's like farming 4pc shimenawa for yae because of that 1 leak before her kit leak

[mental stag]

[umbral sun]

I guess we'll have to wait for more leaks to make more sensible assesments

[rain axle]

How’s kuki

[umbral sun]

But just let me cope that mihoyo knows what they were doing with Kuki and Yae

[umbral sun]

I think she has only gotten name changes in her kit until now

i.e. she still looks bad

but maybe the dendro reaction is good with her

[rain axle]

Damn

[mental stag]

For now .. she is cope .. well she got her working places .. but for the time being she seem pretty weak

[umbral sun]

please let my cute electro ninja be decent

[mental stag]

Her dmg sux .. her application seem problematic .. her being electro healer to open access to diff team mate possiblities nd access to totm is her main selling point tbh

But again .. her electro application real sadge .. once every 3 sec

[umbral sun]

how is her application problematic? which teams actually required her application again?

I have only heard about mono electro and taser

[mental stag]

Well at least intensified's dmg buff lasts 7 sec so it doesnt really matter

[spare torrent]

So, what's the verdict on Shinobu?

[tired berry]

Cope-less and logically I’d personally say she’s on hold until Dendro, if we’re talking numbers only

Even without that, nothing about her kit feels like a must so far

It’s just eh all around

[grizzled elk]

KUKI IS FUCKING DEAD AGANE

[kind trail]

the ticks are like every 1.5s and standard icd applies, cmiiw

[supple oriole]

I have a theory tho, maybe the buff/debuff have the same rule as EM buff where the weaker buff can't overtake the stronger buff
this means you won't have to be like vape where you want the dps to proc the reaction everytime, as long as you can re apply the stronger buff within 7s it'll be fine

[orchid folio]

Is that true of EM buff actually

Lit

To be honest we don't even know how kuki a4 works

Maybe she's good and we've been interpreting it wrong

[supple oriole]

yea

[orchid folio]

This beta has been very weird

When I interpreted it like yae a4 (dmg%) her damage was good

So here's hoping

[supple oriole]

But I guess if my theory is right, the EM passive on Yae and Kuki might not be that useless as well

[cold pumice]

I interpretted it as % as well

[supple oriole]

cuz if we ever have a Dendro character that doesn't scale with EM with their Kit, Yae and Kuki can be a good candidate to be the one building EM instead

[cold pumice]

But Ubatcha confirmed that smoeone tested it to be flat

_ _

[orchid folio]

Oh I hadn't seen that

[kind trail]

which is why ive long since been preparing healing bonus circlet for her arrival

[orchid folio]

I've got her at around 125k dpr

In hp electro crit build with sac sword

All things considered. Lt awful

[kind trail]

why sac sword?

isnt her skill 100% uptime with cons?

[orchid folio]

In a rotation longer than 15s no

[kind trail]

wut?

[cold pumice]

the problem that arises is that you can't always swap to kuki to refresh her abilities on demand

Even if the ability is on a 15s CD

you can't use it every 15s

Not to mention you get desync issues if you run a typical 20s rotaion

But maybe you could refresh it up for say 5s

That would line up nicely for the 20s roation

but only if you can refresh it, which require sac

[plush mirage]

desync sounds like SL issue

[unkempt ginkgo]

ooo, I didn't know that's a thing

[plush mirage]

tbh because of 100% totm uptime her e can be used at anytime within a set rotation

[cold pumice]

not if you characters snapshot

[supple oriole]

iirc it was implemented back in 1.6, to prevent infinite EM buff stacking

[plush mirage]

after her initial cast totm uptime should be 100% if you refresh every 15s

so she no longer needs to be a rotation starter

ex: xl burst can just snapshot the totm buff from previous rotation's e cast when desync

[kind trail]

the problem that i see here is that sac sword wont even proc off-field, and i dont ever see myself staying on just to wait the sac to proc

er just seems like a dead stat for her too

[woven locust]

[calm ice]

https://tenor.com/view/quarantine-got-me-like-bored-happy-monday-monday-mood-spinning-gif-16731484

[unkempt ginkgo]

I know the part where EM share doesn't use the buffed EM as a base, but the fatter buff overriding the smaller one is new to me. I sure hope Intensify works that way

you see, I have only Sucrose for EM share

alao, are we getting a dendro tc channel?

or it's ok to do it in Kuki tc?

[supple oriole]

no, at least not until we have more info to do actual tcing

[woven locust]

every channel is dendro tc now

[unkempt ginkgo]

yelan tc is still yelan builds flex i think

[keen sinew]

damn barely nothing about kuki changed

[woven locust]

i thought she got word description changed few days ago

[keen sinew]

[supple oriole]

not really, Raiden isn't the one procing reaction in almost all her team

Raiden is the aura majority of the time

also the fact that they specify a 7s duration on it is kinda sus

[quiet onyx]

does an Eula+Shenhe+Rosaria+Kuki team sound decent?

[supple oriole]

why shenhe

[quiet onyx]

energy, phys res, normal attack buffs, burst buff

[supple oriole]

sounds decent I guess

[plush mirage]

raiden over shenhe should be better if you have her

[small turtle]

c!remindme finish the eula shenhe rosaria kuki sheet before she livestream 48h

[steep nest]

Alright Akane, I'll remind you about finish the eula shenhe rosaria kuki sheet before she livestream in 2 days. ID: 39230158

[keen sinew]

sounds ok but only problem i see is that dps low until you can combo bursts together

[last flare]

Shenhe only buffs Cryo damage, it's not that great for Eula, Rosalia would be strictly better, imho

[cold pumice]

Its close

Rosaria is better

[last flare]

Shenhe doesn't buff Eula's normal attacks, and only buffs the front part of her Burst, which is a minor part of its overall damage.

[cold pumice]

If you have her C6

She buffs bothparts

[last flare]

hum, okay, I guess...but wouldn't C6 Rosalia still be better?

especially with Crit rate buffing?

[cold pumice]

Rosaria cannot reliably buff Eula's burst with her crit share

But yes C6 rosa is better

But that tema has both anyway so point is moot

[last flare]

still buffs her Normal attacks, and Eula Normals are beefy

oh, right

[amber plover]

Eula benefits if you go like Eula E -> Rosa Q -> Eula Q but because of circle impact it's easy for enemies and even you to get out of the radius

but that does sound like a really fun comp honestly

Might even be the damage ceiling for her

[last flare]

still, Shenhe C6 T_T

[last flare]

wait, she doesn't...not with her E at least

still don't understand why Shenhe with Eula then

[cold pumice]

The quills don't

But the quills don't matter in this team

Its the A4

[mental topaz]

Yes

The team has 98% phys shred

100% when crowned

3/4 of them can use Shenhe quills

It’s not bad at all

They have some synergy

I talked about this team earlier on this channel

However Kuki still needs buffs

If her healing isn’t good enough might as well replace her with Diona or Zhongli

[chilly jasper]

Will they do a #・faq for shinobu?

[cold pumice]

Puffy has one in the link in her Bio I think

[tawdry bone]

there's no another beta update?

[rare abyss]

No beta updates

[keen sinew]

no 4 stars don't get one with yun jin being the only one they did one for

[chilly jasper]

Hmm ok ty

[keen sinew]

its ends this week on Wednesday so no more changes

[grand willow]

im more worried about yelan than kuki tbh

[silk stirrup]

they also did one for sayu

it just comes down to if there's enough interest in the unit i'd reckon

[unkempt ginkgo]

would be funny if they do it when dendro chars get leaked

[tawdry bone]

why is that

[grand willow]

kuki at least has a niche as electro healer and aoe applicator

not really sure what YL's niche is supposed to be

subdps buffer i guess

like ill probably end up using kuki on my ayato comp for heals + extra electro app

not sure what i'd actually use YL for

[tired berry]

Isn’t Yelan a slightly better Xingqiu?

[grand willow]

slightly worse

[tired berry]

Oop

I must’ve missed something in the updates

[tawdry bone]

way more damage but less hydro application

[grand willow]

she applies a damage buff to the field char so she has some uses but she applies less hydro

damage probs about the same

[tired berry]

So in the grander scheme of things she’s ‘balanced’?

[tawdry bone]

you can say so I guess

[grand willow]

i think people will probably end up using YL when you dont actually need the hydro and just want the buff

for comps where you use XQ as hydrospammer he's probably still best choice

[tawdry bone]

I think she'd be good in a yoimiya comp since yoi has ICD

better than xingqiu since she deals more damage than him

[grand willow]

i think xq will actually do more damage in most cases

[tawdry bone]

how so

[grand willow]

so its YL buff on main vs XQ damage on swords

[tawdry bone]

I thought Yelan does more dmg than XQ

[grand willow]

depends heavily on stat assumptions i think

you can probably sheet it to find the breakpoint if you care

either way they're pretty close in personal damage

[tawdry bone]

then why do they keep saying Yelan is broken

[grand willow]

because 5* xq

[tawdry bone]

that's not a valid reason if she deals same dmg as him and less hydro application

[grand willow]

most of what i see about YL is either doom or cope tbh

i think she'll probably be fine tbh but you wont use her in the same roles as XQ

[lament cargo]

most sheets in #958681411894792192 have her dealing more dmg

[grand willow]

shes more like a subdps than a hydrospammer

kinda like beidou

[lament cargo]

on top of potentially shorter rotations

[grand willow]

the shorter rotaiton is nice but iirc XQ already lines up with yoimiya and YL isnt gonna be able to keep up with HT anyway

[lament cargo]

you can just run them together

[grand willow]

for taser or whatever it depends heavily on the actual rotation obv

[tawdry bone]

I didn't say that, justice said it

[grand willow]

whether XQ or YL lines up better

[lament cargo]

I know I'm not calling you out, I'm just replying to your comment

[tawdry bone]

does she deal significantly more dmg to at least make it feel like she's not worse bcz she has less hydro application?

[lament cargo]

One sec I'll look at the sheets I've seen

[grand willow]

i think its dependent on the conditions whether she even does more at all

its not gonna be a huge diff either way

part of the reason why xq's base damage is higher is becauase he applies hydro res down

if you have ZL or some other sources of res down YL catches up more easily

[tawdry bone]

alright

[grand willow]

my sheet has yelan averaging about 132k from Q over 18 seconds vs. xq having 142k over 20

so its pretty close either way

[torpid oak]

Yelan tc in the Shinobu thread

[lament cargo]

Here's a Raiden/Yelan/Bennet/Kazuha team https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TcB-P2taYygZH6MjESZiuJyw8Vw8JEffBqa7vOvXM9k/edit#gid=1560239243

This one is an example of running them together to reduce ER reqs and build more DMG oriented subs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1udITG47S4Fd-JLLWxXRMHX6HVq98hGRDAzStVHntoqM/edit#gid=1028212537

[grand willow]

i dont see xingqiu comparison in first sheet

second sheet is probably because mouun's moon assumption on yelan

still pretty close

[tawdry bone]

thanks

[lament cargo]

yeah lots of DMG here and yelan's shorter cooldown means a shorter rotation which raiden appreciates on top of yelan's A4 buff and raiden in turn regens energy for yelan. It's a very powerful comp

[tawdry bone]

I'm still disappointed her dmg is similar to xingqiu's :/

[lament cargo]

In the 2nd sheet she does about 100k more DPR which is about 4k more DPS and that's not to mention other potential sheets. I recommend asking in yelan tc they are far mor knowledgeable than me on this topic.

[tawdry bone]

I see, thanks

[dusky ginkgo]

do we have a 'best weapons' sheet for shinobu?

[grand willow]

thats because of mouun's moon + significant res down from kazuha/XQ + double E i think

in most cases it should be a lot closer

[lament cargo]

Why does that matter

why wouldn't you give yelan the best option possible

and xq also benefits from the res shred

[grand willow]

its his own res shred lol

[lament cargo]

yeah so why does it matter

[grand willow]

it matters because if its solo YL vs solo XQ they're not both going to be benefiting from the other's buffs

[lament cargo]

why would they be solo ?

[mental topaz]

When Kuki is so bad her channel turns into Yelan tc 2

[grand willow]

because thats the context of the discussion lol

whether YL substitutes for XQ in comps where hydro is not needed as badly based on having higher dps

[lament cargo]

in situations where you can run shorter rotations yeah I don't see why not

yelan deals good dmg and has her a4 buff

[grand willow]

the a4 buff is the primary reason you'll be taking her i think

over xq

i do kinda want to try ayato kuki yelan sucrose or something

[rigid hazel]

Yoo kuki might have hope if dendro electro leek is real

[umbral sun]

I hope so. I'm coping

[tawdry bone]

I doubt it

[grand willow]

the kuki cope is pretty real tbh

one side coping she'll be op and the other side coping she'll be trash no matter what

if intensify really is a superconduct-esque EM-scaling reaction then obv a dual-purpose EM-scaling electro who applies relatively slowly over a wide area is the best choice

compared to raiden or beidou who dont build EM or amy who applies too fast

and is single target

[uneven depot]

to me just the fact that we have an electro healer is already a plus

finally i can use her to heal and use electro reactions

without having to worry about some other character being a healer

[amber plover]

Yeah she's already really good in my book
Her damage could be better but at least she does more than Jean in a rotation and is a TotM bot

[tired berry]

Kuki does more damage than Jean in a rotation?

[ashen yacht]

Bruh no need to disrespect Jean like that

[tawdry bone]

bruh that's very cope

[amber plover]

It's not like Jean deals more than 40k most of the time is it?

[grand willow]

im honestly convinced sayu is just better jean at this point

ive tried using jean in a bunch of comps and sayu generally works better

jean has better MVs but sayu gets EM scaling and swirls better

sayus only downside is worse partywide heal

[amber plover]

I do think Sayu is kinda slept on
She sounds amazing at C6
But I don't have her so /shrug

Her damage potential is really high though

[grand willow]

c6 mostly just buffs her heal

you only need c1 to use her as a jean substitute for dps

[amber plover]

I'm interested 🧐

[tiny sedge]

Is Kuki new TC just hope for dendro to be strong ?

Sayu C6 improve heal by about 3k/tick with EM build

[grand willow]

c0 sayu is basically bennett where she can only do one thing depending on your hp level

c1 lets her do both

the other stuff is mostly whatever except for the Q con which buffs your heal a bit

anyway the reason sayu Q is good relative to jean's is because the doll swirls like 5 times over a big aoe

not just the targeting range but also the aoe range of the hit

it can aoe multiswirl really easily

[amber plover]

Yeah she feels really awkward in Ayato taser especially considering how the comp would absolutely love an anemo grouper
Something that Shinobu lets you slot in

[grand willow]

shinobu may actually be good enough as solo electro so you can slot in both sucrose + one other

maybe both sucrose and kazuha

the absorptions should be enough electro on top of kuki aoe app every 3s

[amber plover]

Sounds like a potentially interesting double swirl galore

[tiny sedge]

If it is two anemo characters then use Instructor's set onto Sucrose right ? Though it will maybe be hard to sheet and compare for other taser team

[grand willow]

you probably want it on the non-sucrose actually

probably not worth the effort to switch the sets constantly though

double VV is fine

[lethal dock]

what is currently considered to be artifact set on shinobu?? (sorry if this is already asked)

[median sapphire]

ToTM it seems

[idle turret]

how we feelin kuki enjoyers

[warped saddle]

Chilling... waiting for kuki to be out honestly

[grand willow]

hopefully i can get her without pulling arataki dupe

[warped saddle]

If it's a itto rerun I might not even pull...even tho I have everything for max kuki

[tawdry bone]

hopeless

[tawdry bone]

too bad her healing isnt all members of party

[tired berry]

I wish her burst gave a one time heal to all party members when she uses it, it’s not like the damage or healing is groundbreaking anyway

[glossy reef]

I hope during the preview this week (if it happens) we get some Shinobu buffs

[haughty mural]

She'll get a buff
Burst name will be changed to Kuki Krumble

That's it, that's the big buff

[shrewd crescent]

Just run triple em so you get bigger intensified buff

[cerulean jackal]

How the Kuki Krumble

[maiden dawn]

Does kuki have a dps potential

[slender echo]

Physical?

[alpine dock]

Def % kuki

[deep dune]

What

Anyways

Will shinobu be constellation dependent

Like the other electro Bennet copy

[spare torrent]

Bennett copy?

[frosty jewel]

He means sara

[spare torrent]

Oooh.

Hm, no wait. Still seems like the implication is that Shinobu's also a Bennett copy.

[frosty jewel]

Yeah, thats the implication

[haughty mural]

if you combine kuki with sara you alllllmost get electro bennet

[real trench]

[hollow river]

kind of true but she also has access to WAY better weapons than sayu

on top of crazy high ratios on E and Q

5 swirls really isnt that much damage from Sayu even with full EM build

what makes anemo swirl big damage is the number of times units like venti can swirl

to some extent kazuha but tbh kazu/sucrose value isnt even really swirl damage itself its more other factors with the added bonus of swirl

although it does add up on sucrose cuz shes onfield

but I really doubt sayu's 5 swirls full EM are any better than a jean EQ

sayu's selling factor is her roll but unfortunately there aren't really any chars that work with it at the current moment

[unique sphinx]

You can't really expect 4 star tobe better than a release 5 star tbh

[hollow river]

if sayu gets supports that allow her roll to proc their effects then she can have a niche in on-field anemo like sucrose

[hollow river]

I don't but the other people were saying sayu is better I think lol

[hollow river]

to quote

i dont think sayu is objectively worse but its def a stretch to say shes better

because they both consolidate pretty similarly but Jean's self-swirl has an undeniably competitive niche atm while sayu roll has absolutely no competitive niche

[pallid iris]

can you do sunfire with sayu

[silk stirrup]

not really ig

the whole concept of sunfire is swirling (jean) the pyro element (bennett) off of the active character

[pallid iris]

oh

[brave rock]

if i want to play meme build kuki as phys dps, do i want hp or atk sands (i use jade cutter, so hp buffs e, q and a bit na too)?

[keen sinew]

atk

[bitter wadi]

Guys, I just saw too much Doomposting of Kuki and I'm having second thoughts on whether to build her or not. What do you guys think?? Is it worth building her or should I build my Barbara instead?? (I'm only looking at the healing aspect.)

I'm still pulling for her tho.

[brave rock]

thx

[tawdry bone]

in terms of healing, barbara is better

[bitter wadi]

Oof, okay.

[grand willow]

barbara has the partywide burst heal but no energy particle gen for it

her only consistent heal is E which is actually weaker per tick than kuki's and isn't 100% uptime

so thats subjective whether the Q burst heal outweighs better regen heal

[haughty mural]

I watched a video where someone showed that if you average healing over time between barbara E and Q, kuki heals more over time.
But I'm pretty sure they didn't factor in the healing from weapon choice, or barbara's healing slaps

We don't exactly have a donut sword

I can't really assert anything myself, I just looked at the charts
Oh and i assume they're calculating based on a single character, so not like party healing. Which maybe is unfair to barbie

[last flare]

I think that Kuki will be a perfectly fine off-field healer/buffer (possibly battery), but that like Thoma, Xinyan, Sayu, or Barbara, she won't be used in the Abyss

[grand willow]

i use sayu in abyss for the reasons stated above but yeah

[last flare]

there's always exceptions, and any character can help clear the Abyss if you find a relevant use for it, but that being said, some characters are at a disadvantaged if they don't bring enough damage/damage enabling

currently, Shinobu simply is not fit for the Abyss

[bitter wadi]

Thanks guys. This really helped and solidified my decision :D

[last flare]

which is? ^^

imho, if you play enough, you can build all your characters to be usable in the open world, and only invest on meta characters

[bitter wadi]

I'm gonna build Kuki cos she heals more over time.

And she's hot ;)

[last flare]

then go for it ^^ she'll be fine in most of the content anyway

[bitter wadi]

Yay!!!

Also, Iron sting or Dark Iron Sword??

[last flare]

imho, Fav sword for casual play, Sac sword for rotation optimization

[bitter wadi]

Both weapons are taken by Benny and Xingqiu respectively... 🥲

[last flare]

Fav sword on Benny? Mmmmh, I dunno if I agree with that ^^

[bitter wadi]

I don't have Alley Flash. Or 5 star weapons.

[last flare]

just use Blackcliff, or Prototype if you don't want to buy it

of course, depends on your ER

[bitter wadi]

I'll think about Blackcliff. I'll try and get 2 copies of Blackcliff. One for Benny and one for Kazuha when he gets rerun.

[last flare]

I strongly recommand Iron Sting on Kazuha, though

[bitter wadi]

I'm gonna run dps Kazuha with Anemo dmg

Also better drip.

[last flare]

I see, welp, as long as you make an informed decision, I got nothing to say 🙂

[bitter wadi]

;D

[haughty mural]

I used fav sword on benny until recently - it's fine. Atk buff is still usable, and freed up my sands to be HP for stronger heals

Idk what to use on kuki though. I have a second sac sword but.. Seems kinda wasteful with 100% uptime of E skill

[last flare]

imho, since Kuki won't really be meta, I wouldn't bother with optimizing rotations, and go for the added utility of Favonius, or Iron sting for the EM

Sac sword is to sync Kuki with optimized 20 sec rotations

[haughty mural]

Yeah probably going with iron sting for now. Already have it up for kazuha (but then got freedom for him)

I just would prefer a prototype amber-esque option for her

[last flare]

if you already have an unused leveled up Iron Sting, then yeah, better to not leave it all sad in your bags ^^

[haughty mural]

It's on traveler lol

But artifacts are not

future project prep, ya know how it is

[last flare]

well...we'll see what are the F2P weapons brought with Sumeru

[haughty mural]

Yeah very true. Who knows what craftable wisdom weapons we'll get

[last flare]

maybe we'll finally have a good, general use Spear, who knows? xD

[haughty mural]

Bell but as a spear

... Actually I'd use that

[last flare]

the worse part is that HP% Spears are actually usefull, see Zhongli...

[haughty mural]

Yeah for sure
But can it beat that 90% slime dmg? I don't think so

[last flare]

...first Dendro boss will be a mega Slime!

[haughty mural]

I don't fear dendro slimes in Sumeru
I fear the pyro slimes

Overload to keep them away. Hmmmmm kuki you may be very very useful

[grand willow]

will overgrown save kuki

[mental stag]

[haughty mural]

Yes
Overgrown, the hydro dendro reaction, will save her

Coping now that some cool EC + Overgrow shenanigans can work

[grand willow]

hydrolan + electrokuki + dendro main dps

get overgrown + intensify damage without the knockback that overvape does

[glad harness]

overgrown scaled off hydro application...

hydro samachurli will kill us all

[median sapphire]

Just don’t be in the circle

[glad harness]

dendro samachurli will summon plants to trap us

[hollow river]

eh not really

they both have their advantages as healers

id only say barbara is better factoring in her burst heal but

thats an 80cost with no energy gen so idk if u should rely on that

kuki ticks way 4x as fast as barbara and has a similar overall healing rate with a healing bonus passive and hp% ascension

so id say kuki is still an upgrade in the healer spot to barbara

@bitter wadi

but kuki also runs fav well and gens some partis so shes a good unit in terms of energy value esp on electro teams that dont have raiden or fischl

so like as a beidou or yae support with her on fav

[bitter wadi]

I was/am gonna run a Kaeya (physical), Ayato, Raiden, Kuki team.

For Superconduct/Electrocharge/Freeze team

@hollow river

[hollow river]

shes def fine there

her on fav + raiden makes it so you can burst off cd with low ER on all 4 units

but she isnt like particularly good

[tawdry bone]

Could either of these be a potential Kuki artifact ?

[grand willow]

the only thing you really need on her is EM i think

the hp% on the first one is pretty decent if you cant get a piece with better EM rolls

but the secret about hp scaling for heals is that it sucks

so i wouldnt waste resin trying to build hp

to put it in perspective that 20% HP is worth about 2.4k hp on a level 90 kuki

lv13 E heal tick is 6.38% max hp which is like +150 per tick lol

[tawdry bone]

Oh

Do you know what’s the cooldown on her skills ?

[grand willow]

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/char/shinobu/?lang=EN

[tawdry bone]

So if in running an EM sands and an EM weapon should I be fine on EM for her ?

[grand willow]

imo you should just go all in on EM for her

its the only stat that really matters

she's supposed to be sub aoe electro enabler i think

her heal scales off EM and she applies electro every 3s

[shrewd crescent]

[grand willow]

the damage on her E and Q are both pretty bad so i don't think you really want to build crit or electro damage on her

[shrewd crescent]

Dendro electro better be damn worth it.

My god hdc build

[grand willow]

maybe if her Q was 40 there might be a case for building her as quickswap dps but 15s cd is too long

[cold pumice]

[stone jacinth]

I have enough copium to last till preload

[unique sphinx]

The Dendro leaks seem to have replenished everyone's copium so they are back at it again

[cold pumice]

Cos its angrium not copium

[unique sphinx]

angry copium?

[tired berry]

How much more healing does an EM build Kuki do? I remember an HP% build with around 40K HP was calculated around 2.6hp per tick

[torpid oak]

No one’s really clac’ed it as far as I know since the scaling is so shit, but I can try to give you an idea from my very basic napkin math. You would have to run Triple EM & Iron Sting + around 50 EM in substats just to get the bonus scaling on par with the HP you get from running two HP% Pieces . So to answer your question, just no, if you want healing just build her HP HP HB

They’re much more common & are simply better on her

[tired berry]

Looks like that’s the plan for me - I just wish we had an HP% sword already Sumeru pls deliver

[torpid oak]

It didn’t feel long when I was typing it, I only realized after I sent it

[shrewd crescent]

Jade Cutter

[noble elbow]

WHO'S! READY! FOR! DISAPPOINTMENT!

[shrewd crescent]

I was ready the moment kuki was 4 star healer

[tired berry]

In my dreams 🥴

[elder hamlet]

Kokomi: Believe in yourself

[shrewd crescent]

Let me edit that

[elder hamlet]

Kokomi: Deym girl, you can reunite with barbara chan.

[shrewd crescent]

Barbara got that hydro element + clam drip combo

At least Shinobu has intensify

[elder hamlet]

Kuki can also use the clam right???? Right?

[shrewd crescent]

Yes but eh...

[elder hamlet]

[shrewd crescent]

Just cope for intensify "Mona omen" like bonus scales with em and not the damage ig

[raven peak]

Would iron sting be a good option or festering for shinoebu

[small turtle]

i would put both swords to other users since it doesnt really benefit kuki greatly, but if you want, its viable on her. Most of her swords to be use are ER based since she just provides heals and with clam, a little dmg

[raven peak]

Im thinking of running her on totm but idk what weapon to give rn

Sting i feel would make her heal more but would the em and pasisve also do more damage than festering’s passive?

[small turtle]

her a4 is kinda with it being flat rather than additive

[raven peak]

So its not worth getting em on her?

[small turtle]

BiS for her currently is Fav as it provides ER for the entire team as well as easy to trigger with kuki cause her burst has 7 hits on >50% max hp and 13 hits on <50% max hp

[raven peak]

But sting and festering would be drip on her i bet

[small turtle]

i wouldnt recommend 5* weapon on her honestly but if you have freedom sworn, it is really good on her

oh in terms of drip, just use whatever you want

[raven peak]

Freedom sworn? She can activate the passive?

[small turtle]

yeah

[raven peak]

Does she need to be in a tazer team or sorts to do that?

[hallow wind]

Haloo, was just wondering which team comp would a freedom sworn wielding shinobu would work best

[small turtle]

probably

[raven peak]

I see i see

[small turtle]

reaction based comps

[raven peak]

Well i dont quite have sworn just yet so that option isnt the best for me, and if i had sworn kazuha might have more use of it

[small turtle]

that allows the driver to do infused autos to apply reaction then kuki triggers it

[hallow wind]

Uhh what are those, sorry im a noob and a pepega in genshin meta

[small turtle]

i can see taser teams

[hallow wind]

Taser uses beidou yes ?

[raven peak]

So between sting and festering which one would u recommend?

[small turtle]

sting

[raven peak]

For somewhat extra heals?

[small turtle]

yep, idk if a solo electro will suffice on it but is guaranteed to be kuki triggering it

if kuki is doing solo on taser

[small turtle]

are we talking about drip or math?

cause idrk where we are rn tbh

[raven peak]

A mix of both?

I mean in the end im sure kuki looks great with both of them

So i guess maths?

[hallow wind]

Got it, ty

[small turtle]

for heals, its iron sting

totm, hp/hp/hb

[raven peak]

Im planning to go hybrid hp/elec/crit for her

[grand willow]

dps kuki memes?

[alpine dock]

On a itto team if your gorou is c4 he heals a bit to help cover her low healing so I think it works

[shrewd crescent]

The only way to go /j

[brave rock]

with offield elemental applier, gorou c4 + crystalize should be enough to to not need anything else, i play it that way

[grand willow]

its actually usually fine even without the heal unless there's some kind of active hp drain effect

arataki def stat + constant crystallize refreshes is usually enough to tank anything

with arataki def stat + shield strength buffs one crystallize can usually tank what would otherwise be like 3-4k worth of damage for other chars iirc

[idle turret]

Would Kuki have to use fav weapon or would an em sword be alright?

[small turtle]

Fav is BiS

[idle turret]

Dang

Gonna have to pray to rngesus to give me another favonius sword then

[brave rock]

just get jade cutter

[lament cargo]

wow Noir exposed huh

[haughty mural]

Between ToM and Freedomsworn she actually becomes a decent buffer

[lament cargo]

yeah she can be a good buffer

and because her ult hits many times you can even run fav

[haughty mural]

Yeah noblesse with fav is the other way I'd maybe run her

[lament cargo]

I'd say totm + fav tbh

though NO is also good

[haughty mural]

Maybe - but for me she'd replace benny and be used with ZL
My benny has my NO and ZL has ToM

[lament cargo]

oh makes sense

[subtle finch]

we need a non-5 star sword that buff team that she can use

for her to be good buffer

[haughty mural]

Trying to find a way to use her without ZL though

[lament cargo]

[subtle finch]

like lets be real if you have FS you prob have kazuha and its prob on him and if its not its prob on bennett

[haughty mural]

Sword version of Hakushin ring

[subtle finch]

and you arent taking it off them to put it on kuki

prayge sumeru craftable sword is a buffing weapon with low base atk

[haughty mural]

Benny has aquila, he's fine
Kazuha has iron sting

But no i was just thinking of hot swapping them depending on team

[subtle finch]

totm+intensified+favonious or sac sword and she become a decent buffer and battery