Yunjin Thread

[tardy thunder]

Yeah I have 290k

291,310 to be exact

@winter steeple can you see with tpulse

Maybe the gap between pulse and r3 rust is just that big

[winter steeple]

ill have to do it on excel so i can use solver again but sure

[night cliff]

how much is the difference between noir's calc and sigurd?

[tardy thunder]

Almost double

[night cliff]

[tardy thunder]

I have 62k before counting bennet damage

He said he has like 36k?

[night cliff]

the difference is very big

[abstract night]

62k is almost unbelievably jacked but also it is a 5 star weapon so idk how much less it would be with r5 rust

[winter steeple]

Yoi only increased by 15%

[night cliff]

how much on avg was other yoi team dps before yunjin?

[winter steeple]

no where near enough to make it to 62k

[tardy thunder]

Are you sure you are calcing Yun Jin right

Idk how to read your sheet so I can’t check

[winter steeple]

positive of it

[tardy thunder]

What’s the formula you have

I change from 3N5 1N3 to 3N5 1N1 and I’m still at 57k

Are you applying pyro resonance?

What size bennet buff?

[winter steeple]

ya was comparing the sheets and i didnt apply bennys c6 and gave bennett instructors instead of NO

[tardy thunder]

I’m assuming you do have Yoi E applied to the non Yun Jin portion of her NAs?

[winter steeple]

for sure

[tardy thunder]

What’s your attack and vape multiplier?

And formula for Yun Jin?

And dmg bonus?

[azure folio]

sigurd can ya share your sheet afterwards u done with rechecking nd fixing things up !? if possible

[sour root]

I think rust and TP will be way different

Rust yoi dmg bonus is pretty saturated already

Not that its a bad thing, but i can see the cdmg getting more out of yunjin

[tardy thunder]

What’s the DPR you have @winter steeple

Maybe we are assuming different rotation lengths? Idk

[winter steeple]

691282

[tardy thunder]

Yoi or team?

[winter steeple]

for Yoi with Q buff

[tardy thunder]

That’s significantly less

I have over 1m

[night cliff]

[winter steeple]

xq dmg per rotation looks similar

i think its just Yoi and Yunjin

[tardy thunder]

I’ll add everything up again

To double check

[night cliff]

I want beidou DMG red and interrupt Res on yunjin Q too

[tardy thunder]

@winter steeple i double checked everything i do not see anything wrong with any of my formulas

made sure each cell is multiplying with exactly what its supposed to

everything is correct

[winter steeple]

must be my sheet

[tardy thunder]

yours is formatted so different from mine its like trying to learn a new language looking at it

[abstract night]

are u guys using the same enemy level?

[winter steeple]

nope

[tardy thunder]

whats your defense multiplier

[abstract night]

[tardy thunder]

ill change mine to the same as yours

but there is no way thats whats causing my damage to be almost double his

i use 0.5 as defense multiplier

[winter steeple]

ok thxs , 190/390

[tardy thunder]

do you have yun jin applied to every hit? @winter steeple

including multi hits from n1 and n4?

[winter steeple]

ya

23 total procs

same as yours iirc

[tardy thunder]

i changed defense mod

still at 55k

46k for just Yoi+yun jin buff

[winter steeple]

mines at 42k total

[tardy thunder]

1.172m total team DPR

975k from just Yoi+YunJin Q

are you able to show your Yun Jin formula?

[winter steeple]

my Yunjins def stats are 2488

[tardy thunder]

chang it to same as mine see what you get

[winter steeple]

Yomiya atk stat with tp and bennett is 2683

im sure 2488 is right tho hmm

[tardy thunder]

way less than what i have

[winter steeple]

why tho

[tardy thunder]

i have 2893 defense on Yun 3235 atk on Yoi

(58.3 times 3 + 20 + 37.2 +54)%+1 = 3.861 times 734 = 2883+ 59.04 = 2893 @winter steeple

she has triple defense plus 4 liquid defense subs plus 2 fixed defense subs plus 4 Husk plus her c4 20% defense plus 2 fixed flat defense plus 1 fixed defense

and 734 base

it should be exactly what i have

double checked Yoi atk too

it should be exactly as i have

[winter steeple]

oh i found the error

[tardy thunder]

(9.8+18+20+25+20)%+1 = 1.928 times 931(base atk) +311(feather)+1130 (bennet)

is exactly 3235

[winter steeple]

now i got 3k def

[tardy thunder]

dont forget to fix Yoi atk

[winter steeple]

the sheet didnt add the bonus from artifacts and c4

[tardy thunder]

this is why automatic sheet calcs bad manual sheet calcs good /s

return to monke count everything manually /s

[night cliff]

[winter steeple]

where does the 2 20% come from

[night cliff]

Now I only need tp and yunjin C6

[winter steeple]

4NO and???

wait this time the sheet didnt add flat attk from feather

time to revert to monke

go back to google sheets

[tardy thunder]

Tpulse

Gives 20% atk

[tardy thunder]

Monke was always superior

[winter steeple]

dmg is still off 45k only

but at this point i think its just more sheet problems

[tardy thunder]

So you have 45k I have 46k now?

That’s her personal you have at 45k right

Not team

?

[winter steeple]

no the team total

[tardy thunder]

So it’s still way off

[winter steeple]

but as im checking xq also didnt add artifact atk%

[tardy thunder]

This is why monke is superior /s

[night cliff]

Noir you aren't using yoi xq yunjin kazuha anymore right?

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

Noir: “we aren’t cavemen Sigurd. We have technology. proceeds to calc everything manually”

[winter steeple]

man how did i mod the sheet till it had so much things missing

[solid delta]

is there any calc of yoi xq kazuha yunjin ?

[winter steeple]

just checked the fireworks shett

and it also doesnt add artifacts

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

Bruh

Just return to monke

Monke is the superior Ape

[winter steeple]

i think ill learn eli's sheet next

[solid delta]

can i see it

[tardy thunder]

Or learn my monke manual format

[winter steeple]

after i fix all the mistakes during modding

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OgUhPXlqOBmLRUMqUlDHQBAoFtJhMGa6AFEc4BF56es/edit @solid delta

Only reason we are calcing alternatives is because apparently Xinqiu is not enough protection for you to Face tank

So it’s strong team if it was practical

But sadly not practical

[solid delta]

oh i see

[lofty karma]

awake after my sleep now

Why I have yoi with shime and ulting every 2 rotations is that without shime and ulting every rotation, she needs 173 ER

which is not gonna happen

[compact girder]

Eosf yoimiya

[tardy thunder]

Pain

[lofty karma]

And with shime she needs 125% ER from sub100% to ult every other rotation

another 10% damage bonus is well worth sending 2 distributed subs to ER

[winter steeple]

@balmy remnant @abstract night if yall still checking my sheet , found all the mistakes alr

[lofty karma]

And it lets you actually get close enough to manage tpulse

[winter steeple]

i can verify noirs sheet and er guarantee mine is riddled with errors

[abstract night]

[tardy thunder]

Glad I’m not the issue

Monke reigns supreme

[tardy thunder]

[night cliff]

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

🦍

[azure folio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/792147187076694057/917481512675450910/pepe_toxic.gif

[azure folio]

bdw .. can you pin these Yoijin sheets as well u posted today !? so ppl can access it easily !? or is there anywhere else u already put them !?

[tardy thunder]

If you’ve opened them before you should have them in your google sheets

[tardy thunder]

@winter steeple do you think Yoi Bennet Kazuha Yun Jin can be a 20s rotation?

or possibly less?

the damage seems to be higher than the vape version, at least, for Yoi dmg

[abstract night]

yeah ofc its better, 2 bennetts must be awesome

[tardy thunder]

Yun Jin so strong i started confusing her with Bennet /s

[abstract night]

saved in 4k

[tardy thunder]

[abstract night]

but anyway no interrupt resist?

[tardy thunder]

for Yoi tho in PP i have her own damage plus Yun Jin buff at 1,066,642

vs vape at 975,371

and vape should be a longer rotation

cant imagine PP is a 22s rotation too

[tardy thunder]

im doing N2 on the PP version now

so i think it should be fine without interruption resistance

[abstract night]

oh ok

[tardy thunder]

since not doing a long attack chain that need you to face tank

[tardy thunder]

@abstract night @lofty karma @winter steeple https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gSYhyqGHKndR-jiEPsQXWiweYUm9U8GnJO3tcbKwSZk/edit?usp=sharing

pure pyro seems supreme if this works

got 64k dps

[night cliff]

[abstract night]

could u do it with r5 rust? im not really familiar with the 5* baselines

[tardy thunder]

i can make a copy and see the numbers with r5 rust

will be nice to see how big of an increase Tpulse over Rust is when bennet is involved

[night cliff]

Only if yunjin really had beidou QoL

[tardy thunder]

if she had dmg reduction and poise and a c1 shield

she would be so fucking broken

[night cliff]

Yeah

[tardy thunder]

but mihoyo said shes geo you got crystalize

they even gave her dragons bane in her art to tell us to rely on her crystals

[night cliff]

You have to dodge something if you don't run at least poise on yoi

[night cliff]

[tardy thunder]

shes doing n2 here so it should be fine

[night cliff]

N2 dash N2?

N2 RR N2?

[tardy thunder]

9N2RR

a few of them can probably afford to be dashes instead of RRs for dodging

[sour root]

Damn 9N2RR doesnt sound enjoyable at all

[night cliff]

I probably can't even do n2rr once for now

[sour root]

Oh i see u used kazuha and bennett as well

Still pretty impressive though

[tardy thunder]

idk if you can do the same amount with just dash cancels

[night cliff]

Probably not

[tardy thunder]

Sitri wyd

[hollow frost]

oops wrong place

[tardy thunder]

[night cliff]

[hollow frost]

goodbye

[tardy thunder]

[night cliff]

[azure folio]

Hmm for total dmg numbers wise these seem all nice nd well but they lack aoe dmg right? I mean like most dmg comin from Miya etc. But i think for the most part the most optimal team for yoijin is with albedo-kazu?

🤔

I mean total dmg might be lower .. but as kazu nd albedo providing aoe dmg as well .. this might make up for the lower total dmg output

🤔

[tardy thunder]

kazuha doesnt lack aoe damage

[lofty karma]

she does though

her ult comes with DR

and the shield gives poise inherently

[tardy thunder]

no it doesnt?

that was about Yun Jin

[lofty karma]

oh

thought you meant beidou

[azure folio]

Sorry .. my question is .. will 160k from kazu alone be enough ?

Tho i m personally not sure how much the diff between beidou's dmg+ overload tho

[night cliff]

We were talking about how I wished yunjin q had beudou QoL

[azure folio]

[tardy thunder]

enough for what?

[azure folio]

Yea .. if she had an off field shield like zhong-noelle .. she would be perfect

[azure folio]

For general puposes u know .. i mean for yoi .. ppl always say how beidou overload comp is too strong nd how it fixes yois lack of aoe etc

That was what i was wondering

[tardy thunder]

being mostly ST really doesnt matter if you kill each individual enemy fast enough anyway.

[azure folio]

Fair enough

That aside personally i still think yoi would prefer some kinda interreption protection as there are many enemies that slap from afar ...

[lofty karma]

if you want to fix yoi's lack of AOE, replace bennett with albedo

not ideal ofc

[tardy thunder]

i really dont think her being mostly st is problem to begin with

if the ST damage is high enough being mostly ST isnt an issue

imagine Ayato is off field hydro that apply enough hydro for Yoi to vape like xinqiu, but he also has a shield and his off field dmg is treated as NA dmg

[azure folio]

yea thats a fair point i respect ... now .. how to fix her problem that we need "protection againts interruption" .. i mean we wont have stagger from overload or both stagger + tasing from overvape .. so enemies will have easy life to hit miya here nd there 🤔

[azure folio]

yes .. pls

[tardy thunder]

we fixed that being using a N2 combo

meaning she has room to dodge

because she isnt doing a long attack chain

[azure folio]

[lofty karma]

you can just dash cancel instead of aim cancelling

[tardy thunder]

how many less hits you think we would get?

maybe 8N2D instead of 9N2RR?

if player is that worried about dodging

or think we could still get 9?

[lofty karma]

I'd say mostly n2rrs

but you can fit in some n2ds when you need to reposition

[tardy thunder]

oh yeah i agree

thought you meant replacing aim entirely with dash

[lofty karma]

and at least with c6 9 should still be doable

[vale furnace]

Yunjin piece?

[night cliff]

No Er

[lofty karma]

no ER low CR

[tardy thunder]

You can save those for you defense mainstats tho

Flower and feather are only pieces you can get defense percent on

[lofty karma]

true

[tardy thunder]

You want a bunch on those

[mental ingot]

[winter steeple]

I think I can do 9

I’ll test out the rotation and let ya know

[tardy thunder]

[winter steeple]

did 8 1/2

cringe

[winter steeple]

i think 8 1/2 is my max

also around 5-6 n2rr is possible to be done under bennett Q buff

i would say its a 22s rotation min as well

https://streamable.com/h3nwsv

[tardy thunder]

If you did that without attack speed it should be reasonable to do 9 with attack speed then right

[winter steeple]

oh ya for sure

[tardy thunder]

If 22s rotation the dps goes down to 56k

6k lost

[tardy thunder]

Huh…wonder if it would be possible to do Bennet Q after Yun Jin Q then if that would get him 100% up time

Dunno how that would play out

If bennet isn’t getting full up time maybe zhong would actually be better

Or albedo

They would prob lower rotation time too due to lower field Tim reqs right

Changed the buff up time to 6 N2 buffed by bennet and 3 unbuffed @winter steeple and changed rotation time from 20 to 22s - dps went down by a whopping 12k

:HuTaoSadge:

[winter steeple]

already calced tho

[tardy thunder]

I don’t think I ever updated it

I was also using 4NRR on it before

But 9N2 is more hits

It also didn’t have TP

What rotation time did you think was reasonable with albedo there @winter steeple ? With albedo?

[winter steeple]

sheet? for the rotation

[tardy thunder]

I forget the rotation let me see if I had it wrote down

[lofty karma]

that would mean losing yunjin uptime instead

[tardy thunder]

Huh wait I have that one at 52k dps with incorrect stats and MVs on Kazuha and only 4N4RR on Yoi

[lofty karma]

also bennett isn't getting full uptime because he swapped to kaz after bennett ult

[tardy thunder]

Was assuming youd be able to still get the full 12s of her since Yoi only uses 10s if it

And Bennet does not take 2s

To EQ

[tardy thunder]

You have to to refresh VV

[lofty karma]

then maybe do tap E kaz first then hold E second

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D-Q60NQoiYtkLoNE3bnGOWQTlrmzZJsz4Jcy6WAsAjM/edit

[lofty karma]

instead of hold E first

then 2 autos + tap E

[tardy thunder]

Isn’t that what he did?

I would say don’t do hold E during bennet burst

Cuz that’s def gonna lower buff up time on Yoi

[lofty karma]

hold E takes less time than the 2 autos he did waiting for cooldown

[tardy thunder]

What if just do 2 tap E?

Do we even need the extra particles from hold?

He has fav already

[lofty karma]

ER still pretty reasonable

so double tap will be fine if C0

[tardy thunder]

Yeah that’s still manageable on everyone…tho that’s an exile bennet

Oh you also cut out the Bennet E pre-funnel to Yoi before she Q that I did

[tardy thunder]

I added Bennet E before Yoi Q to the rotation to pre-funnel to her before she Q

Maybe we cut that out too

[lofty karma]

that's with no exile

[tardy thunder]

If bennet can’t get full up time tho albedo might actually be better

[tardy thunder]

What if 1 bennet pre funnel to Yoi before Q?

[lofty karma]

Calc doesn't really allow for one funnel one not so I'll have to do 3 calcs

so the same effect as running 4pc exile

but is having noblesse up worth adding a bennett E to rotation?

[winter steeple]

scuffed use mine

[tardy thunder]

Your bennet damage is gonna be a lot higher too

He doesn’t do no damage

[lofty karma]

is it worth a full extra second on rotation time though

[tardy thunder]

Idk

But he does 43k damage here

With NO

You’d drop both that and everyone else’s damage from losing NO

[lofty karma]

because going from 20 to 21 seconds is a 4.8% DPS loss

[tardy thunder]

I think that should provide more than what’s lost

[lofty karma]

is bennett E + noblesse adding that much back?

[tardy thunder]

I’d need to run several different calcs to figure that out

[lofty karma]

given that 3 things are funneling through yoi, and noblesse only affects one of them

[tardy thunder]

It also affects bennets damage and Kazuha damage

These things add up

[lofty karma]

wait... we could also have less bennet uptime on yoi to buff kaz for both Es + Q

[tardy thunder]

Got a new rotation in mind?

That could be worth it especially in AoE since he’s doing he’s doing heavy lifting in AoE

[lofty karma]

this is assuming c1 kaz tho to EQE

[tardy thunder]

Ah

I’ve got that

[lofty karma]

definitely EEC kaz now
Yoi Q/skip>bennett EQ>kaz hold E Q tap E>yoi E

[tardy thunder]

Real men c1 their Kazuha

[winter steeple]

ping once ya got the rotation

[lofty karma]

@winter steeple

[winter steeple]

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma do you remember what the rotation for the Albedo version was btw?

I think it’s better if bennet uptime is a problem

The less uptime bennet gets the more value albedo gets. The more field time bennet takes the more value albedo gets

Might have to use bolide with albedo tho for more shield reliability

But that would mean less ER needed on Yoi so it’s not rlly a bad thing

[winter steeple]

bolide doesnt snap

no point

[tardy thunder]

Huh?

I mean on yoi

Not albedo

If I wanted albedo to provide shield strength to Yoi I would’ve said ToTM

[winter steeple]

maintaining crystalise without DR

[tardy thunder]

Bolide and geo resonance both provide shield strength

[winter steeple]

and barely any repositioning

[tardy thunder]

Could use zhong but prob gonna see team dps go down quite notably

Since he does no damage

[lofty karma]

Was the team albedo yoi yunjin bennet or albedo yoi yunjin kaz?

[tardy thunder]

Yoi Albedo Kazuha Yun Jin

[lofty karma]

Yoi Q/CA/skip>kaz tap e Q>albedo n1de>kaz hold E>yunjin NENDQ>yoi E

[tardy thunder]

Wait why isn’t albedo at the very start of the rotation

So you start getting procs right away

[lofty karma]

What are we doing between tap E Q and hold E for kaz then?

[winter steeple]

use hold E for EQ

and press after Yoi E?

[tardy thunder]

Could be an albedo Q

I don’t see any reason not to start the rotation with Albedo E

[lofty karma]

Albedo Q kinda does nothing tho

[winter steeple]

doing anything is doing nothing

[lofty karma]

deep thoughts with sigurd

[tardy thunder]

It buffs EM which buffs Kazuhas damage which buffs his buff and also buffs your shields

[winter steeple]

sounds like a bad idea

[tardy thunder]

I don’t see how it’s doing less than doing an Albedo E when you could have already set it up at the start of the rotation

[winter steeple]

cant imagine how much stronger crystalise will be

since no numbers

[lofty karma]

there's also the possibility we just do a single hold E with kaz

[tardy thunder]

Could do Albedo E > Yoi Q/skip > Kazuha E Q > Albedo Q > Kazuha E > Yun Jin NENQ> Yoi E

[winter steeple]

buffing kaz buff seems strong enough to use it

[tardy thunder]

You use the second to refresh VV.

[lofty karma]

no, that's the only hold E

[tardy thunder]

and his damage

[lofty karma]

the VV refresh

[tardy thunder]

You mean 1 tap E then 1 hold E?

[lofty karma]

nono

1 hold E

[tardy thunder]

Wait do we even need fav on Yun Jin when she has albedo for geo energy?

We don’t

She only need 181 ER without fav

[winter steeple]

at least a 21s rotation

[tardy thunder]

Why is everything longer than a 20s rotation

[winter steeple]

and thats giving it tons of leeway

kazuha litterally cant E

[lofty karma]

Yoi Q/skip>bennett EQ>kaz hold E Q>yunjin nendq>yoi E @tardy thunder

[winter steeple]

so extends the 21s rotation

to like 24-25? just waiting for cd

[tardy thunder]

Don’t need the Yun Jin NAs since we don’t need favonious

[tardy thunder]

Okay what if we do a Kazuha tap E after Yun Jin Q instead

Her buff lasts 12s

[lofty karma]

you see the distinct lack of albedo on this team?

[tardy thunder]

We should still the full hp time

Oh

I’m at work firing ppl at same time lemmelone

[lofty karma]

[tardy thunder]

Hmm that could work maybe

How much rotation time would that be?

[lofty karma]

yoi should get 7s bennett time there

if we tap E kaz instead, she should get 8

[tardy thunder]

Also, for the albedo team maybe: Albedo E > Yoi Q/skip > Kazuha tap E Q > Albedo Q > Yun Jin E Q > Kazuha tap E > Yoi E @winter steeple

I think this one should work

As long as Kazuha tap E doesn’t take 2s or longer

[winter steeple]

that works

[lofty karma]

kaz tap E + 2 swap animations + yoi E

Also ER for the tap E comp

kaz would need to be EM/ER/EM here

[tardy thunder]

Or 5 ER subs

[lofty karma]

I keep forgetting favsword has a whole 61 ER on it

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

I always think it's something reasonable like 40

but exile bennett is 100% necessary to make this rotation work

[tardy thunder]

I rlly don’t wanna figure out 4 star stats no one could tell me how kqm standards for 4 star artifacts work

Not even KQM would tell me

[lofty karma]

basically you need to figure out what subs are going on each artifact

[tardy thunder]

But they say there’s a -2 sub penalty for each 4 star piece

When each piece was already allowed only 2

[lofty karma]

you can only fit 4 distributed subs total on the arti

[tardy thunder]

So does that mean they just don’t get any liquid subs at all?

[lofty karma]

instead of 6

[tardy thunder]

I do not understand

[lofty karma]

and the subs you do get on 4*s are 20% worse than the ones on 5*s

[tardy thunder]

Can you figure out what his stats would be with exile for me I am very confused

[lofty karma]

what weapon are we running on him?

[tardy thunder]

Skyward

Is what I always calc him with

[lofty karma]

then it more or less does not matter

[sour root]

Yea im rereading the standards and it seems like u do your normal thing except 2 less liquid rolls and multiply the final stat for that arti by 0.8

[lofty karma]

basically this

[tardy thunder]

But you were already only allowed 2 liquids per piece

So would that just be 0 liquids per 4 star piece?

[lofty karma]

over the whole thing

you get 12 liquids with a 4* set

[sour root]

Iirc Ur allowed 20 liquid rolls on a high invest character

[lofty karma]

and 8 of those liquids are at 80% strength

and when building a specific artifact to see the feasibility of your build

you only get to choose 4 subs instead of 6

[tardy thunder]

[sour root]

though when i think about it more. I wonder if that is a good representation

[lofty karma]

It's not, but it's their standard

[tardy thunder]

I don’t wanna figure that out

[sour root]

4* are so much more common, perhaps more of the rolls should be liquid

[lofty karma]

with skyward, you don't have to

[tardy thunder]

Y

[lofty karma]

because you don't have to work hard on ER subs

[tardy thunder]

Still need to figure out for his other subs

[lofty karma]

you run on set ER timepiece and call it a day

[tardy thunder]

He needs an ER sands here? Even with skyward?

He shouldn’t

[lofty karma]

you can run an atk sands, but that's gonna make math a lot harder

and it's gonna make very little difference

[tardy thunder]

His damage is decent

[lofty karma]

because with just CD and CR mattering you can just fill it up with the appropriate mixture of those

instead of worrying about ER subs as well

[tardy thunder]

Your calc is showing 220 ER. Befor any subs with 2 exile he’s at 202 already

Idk how the fixed subs work on 4 star set but I’d assume like 8.8 from the fixed subs?

So already at 210 ER before any liquid subs

Seems silly to me to use a whole sands for only 10 ER

[lofty karma]

low ball it and assume all fixed have the .8 mult

[lofty karma]

it's silly in real use, but you want to make the math easy or not?

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

going atk sands is only going to increase his Q damage by 3-4k

[sour root]

Is the sanda your 5-star off piece?

[lofty karma]

crit hat is off piece

thinking crit/ER/HP for easiest calc

and also easiest time for farming because no one kept a full exile set

[tardy thunder]

I think assuming pyro cup as off set is prob more reasonable

Cuz expecting anyone to have a good exile pyro cup

Is a bit sussy

[lofty karma]

that's why HP cup on bennett

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

people are gonna be stingy with good pyro cups

[tardy thunder]

Do you guys not build your bennets damage?

[lofty karma]

and keeping a crit exile hat is just as unlikely

[sour root]

Well if the ER sands in 4 star u lose ~13 ER, but gain 20 from the 2 set exiles

[tardy thunder]

I have like 5

[sour root]

Im not sure if thats worth

[lofty karma]

we;re running 4pc exile

[sour root]

Of course theres also the 4pc passive, but that doesnt affect the wearer

[tardy thunder]

Btw did Sigurd tell us how much time we save in the rotation if we do this rotation?

[lofty karma]

most people don't
and again, that puts them at keeping a good crit hat for exile

which is just as unlikely as good pyro cup

offset crit/ER/HP is the easiest to farm

and a ER sands exile is something people might have just forgotten to trash post EoSF release

[tardy thunder]

I’ll calc this rotation on my break

Wait @lofty karma if we get 7s of bennet buff here how many N2s buffed is that?

[lofty karma]

70% of them

[tardy thunder]

6 then?

Wait…

That’s the exact same that I already have buffed

What did we even change then?

[warm trout]

Would yun jin (especially at c6) be kind of great in something like phys kaeya/raiden/rosaria or am I hopped up on copium

[azure folio]

she doesnt work with Raiden as Raiden's Q form doesnt count as NA .. and if kaeya is the dps .. his attacks are somehow slow so he wouldnt benefit well from Yunjin's Q i believe which would make Yunjin's buffs be wasted 🤔

[warm trout]

Raiden would be there primarily as a superconduct enabler for Phys kaeya who would be the main DPS. I always thought of kaeya as a relatively fast attacker but that might just be because I keep using claymores if he's too slow to get much out of Yun jins buffs that's a real bummer, I'm struggling to find a best fourth slot for the team and a Phys attack buffer seemed ideal

[azure folio]

what about Shenhe? 🤔

i mean she might not be ideal but she gonna buff Kaeya's Cryo dmg + as u are using Kaeya as pshy dmg he will also benefit from Shenhe's Q's pshy shred as well

i dont know if u are gonna get her or not tho

well tho if u strugling with "survivalibty" u might consider putting another character as 4th option tho

[warm trout]

I considered shenhe but it seems kind of wasteful to add her to a team with a single cryo dps who isn't even relying on cryo for damage that much - it would definitely add some damage as he'll have high crit + it'll proc on his ult nicely, and shenhes Q is double good for him, but it seems as though phys kaeya isn't enough to make shenhe valuable. Could be totally wrong once she gets dropped though lmao. I figured the yunjin na buff might be a higher total but I'll probably have to wait for release and do some real maths for my weird team if I wasn't saving hard for ganyu I'd have just pulled both and figure out which is optimal over time

[lofty karma]

the best phys team by far seems to be a physchl variant

on a 17s rotation

physchl + rosaria + yunjin + flex
could be pikeli, or bennett

because for some reason c1 counts as normal damage

[tardy thunder]

Possibly Pikeli too

I wouldn’t really consider any phys Carrie’s other than fischl and zhong tho

Those two should be far be the best as far as physical goes

[warm trout]

Wow, I'm surprised that's the best phys team, I would have expected it to be something like eula/raiden superconduct If I was going for the best phys team in general I'd probably go with something fischl/rosaria as I have them both unused, but my main goal with the kaeya/raiden/yun jin(?) team is just getting kaeya to do as much damage as that guy can specifically so it'll probably end up non optimal compared to if I traded in higher performers in whatever team I end up with

[tardy thunder]

I don’t mean best phys team in general

I mean best phys for Yun Jin

Tho I do think Yun Jin will make those the strongest phys dps in the game

[rotund ridge]

Yunjin kits help
I just checked her kits, so she's more of a NA atk buffer
So her Ult NA buff, how is it calculated?
At T10 and her passive, it would give damage bonus, around 80% of her current defense.
Say, her defense is 2000, 80% of it would be 1600.... The damage bonus, I do not expect it would just add the flat number into total damage, right?

[balmy remnant]

#・faq idk why they made you go here instead of there smh

[warm trout]

The more I think about that the crazier it seems, fischl's NAs might be truly monstrous with yunjin. So it's the dmg from fischls NA + oz dmg (22% of her atk) + two instances of yunjins buff which can also be crit, per arrow during yunjins buff? Or am I misunderstanding

[lofty karma]

you understand it correctly

[warm trout]

That's terrifying and I'm definitely building it. Kaeya plans are scrapped.

[lofty karma]

This comp is also low key ruined by fischl c6

brings it from 17s rotation to 19s

because you need to wait for oz to despawn

[warm trout]

Lmao, fischl c6 the new bennett c6

I take it normal oz's attacks don't count as NA then?

[lofty karma]

they do not

those are skill damage

[warm trout]

So strange that C1 does then, I never knew that

[lofty karma]

yep

gets buffed by rust too

also quick addendum

it's not on every arrow for c1

it's on every left click

[tardy thunder]

Might not have been able to fit everything into 17s anyway

[lofty karma]

if we're doing fischl + pikeli probably not

[tardy thunder]

Her c1 damage does

But Oz himself does not

[lofty karma]

fischl + bennett should

[warm trout]

I'm actually so excited for this combo, does anybody know the formula for yunjins Q so I can tinker with the maths tomorrow?

[lofty karma]

at TL 12 + 3 different elements she adds 71.82% of her def stat

which then gets fed through any reaction/crit/dmg% mults the source of that normal attack damage has

[warm trout]

Oh, is her Q buff dependant on number of elements? That would explain why I heard she wasn't great for the mono geo team

[lofty karma]

she's not great for mono geo for other reasons

namely itto not doing much in the way of normals

[tardy thunder]

Noelle tho

[lofty karma]

a team of noelle yunjin gorou bennett should be fine

[tardy thunder]

Hyper Noelle with Yun Jin gonna be fun to see how big the numbers get

[warm trout]

If only I didn't have c0 Noelle

[lofty karma]

ya

also same comp but with ning instead of noelle

[tardy thunder]

[warm trout]

Would Ning be fast enough to get everything from yunjins buff? I'm not sure on her speed

[tardy thunder]

She gets more than 20

Which is plenty enough

Her NA hits twice

So she gets two stacks per every NA

[lofty karma]

her na also has some level of aoe

so you can get multiple procs off a hit

[tardy thunder]

Yeah with c1 and close enough enemies she should get 30 stacks easy

[warm trout]

I might see how many Na's kaeya can bash out in 10 seconds just to compare to other options

[tardy thunder]

It’s 12 seconds

[warm trout]

I can't read so maybe counting frames is a lofty goal

Guess he has 2 more seconds to do his best then

[shadow loom]

What character benefit most from yunjin?

[hearty thunder]

Yoimiya

[tawny spoke]

Characters that do NAs

[tardy thunder]

Seems like quite a lot but some areYoimiya ninggaung Xianling Noelle Zhongli and Physchl, to name a few

[lofty karma]

don't forget ayaka hutao and kazuha

[visual jay]

what is yunjin's best artifact set? 4 husk? or like 2 husk 2 emblem?

[compact girder]

Either works

[visual jay]

ok. do we run triple DEF yunjin?

[languid socket]

that's the plan

to get the most out of her buff

[tardy crypt]

Does yun jin benefit kokomi at all in a taser team? I might end up getting her from the banner but I have no other auto attackers except kokomi

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

Probably not

[tardy thunder]

4 husk but 2 emblem 2 husk is also good

[visual jay]

ok! thank you

[lofty karma]

4 husk or 4 petra depending on team
2 husk 2 emblem is 1.5 substats worse than 4 husk (also there may be some particularly energy starved teams you can sub out fav crit + ER with 2 emblem but not 2 husk)

[bronze kayak]

Hello, I heard Yunjin will be a good support for Yoimiya? Is that true?

[compact girder]

Yes

[bronze kayak]

How so?

[sand sluice]

How does Yoi do her damage?
What kind of damage does Yunjin buff?

[bronze kayak]

NA

Yoi does NA most of the time

Ah. Okay wow I just answered my own question with that realization hahahaha sorry, and thanks

[timid portal]

that was amazing to watch unfold

[bronze kayak]

But with Yoi. Wouldn't that limit the A4 bonus up until 3 elements since she needs another pyro for resonance or is the need for pyro resonance removed due to Yunjin's appearance?

[sand sluice]

That bonus isn't as large as you think.

[timid portal]

it's a nice thing to have, but it's way less important than the comp

[bronze kayak]

I see. I'm excited for new Yoi comps with Yunjin

[azure folio]

there are some possible comps

[azure folio]

Yoijin teams seem perform better (dmg wise) but to me personally .. most seem lacking

i mean "personally" i m a pepega player .. what my yoi needs to be filled by her teammates are "healing-shielding (protection againts interruption) - AoE" .. nd sadly Yunjin doesnt fill any of that herself 🤔 her dmg buff for Yoimiya is gud .. but as i see it from ppls sheets done for her .. i see Xq's personal + allowing Yoi to vape is better then Yunjin's buff .. i say that with comparing "without Xq" nd "without Yunjin" way to better understand which of the 2 performs better in the team with Yoimiya (this is how i see it personally comparing stuff from other ppls sheets not my own calculation etc.) ... thoo lemme add this much .. Yunjin's c6 allows Yoimiya to do an extra 3 hit string of hers N1-2 nd 3 nd as N1 of Miya performs 2 hits this allows 4 extra "stacks" of Yunjin's used by Yoimiya

dmg wise Yoijin outperforms overload comp acording to ppl that does her sheet .. but honestly even tho i hate overload personally .. i cant deny how it adds QoL to playing with Yoi as it makes enemies to stagger so it will make them hit miya less also Beidou + c6 Fish is pretty lit characters .. so even if Beidou's shield litterally none existent one (arguably).. that stagger effect makes up for the lack of "shielding"

on the other hand there may be ppl that argue "crystalize" makes up for the shield .. but i gotta add that Yunjin dont have a pillar like Zhongli or an off field procing abilty like Albedo's that could possibly trigger "crystalize" constantly for Miya so its utterly unreliable ..

nd thats when Albedo comes for Yoijin comp .. to make a constant crystalize nd AoE dmg .. so Albedo makes up 2 of the "needs" of Yoimiya .. we can argue "will it be enough" or not to me as far as i see it .. Albedo is strong enough to make up for both ..

so for 4th slot .. i believe Bennet is th better pick for both dmg increase + healing 🤔

soooo at the end .. i believe personally .. Yoi-yunjin-albedo-bennet is the best Yoijin team imo

among Yoijin comps

🤔

[night cliff]

Add poise and dmg red on yunjin Q, problem solved

[sour root]

If yunjin had interrupt resist then that would be kinda pog for that reason

But then again, i feel like yoi one area of excellence is ST

And improving what you already excel at is still a good thing, albeit more situational

Though yoi isnt considered a top meta character, she has among the most flexible team comps

U can usually make something with the leftovers from your other team

[warm trout]

Are there any sheets available to look at for fischl+Yun Jin?

[dark pendant]

I don't think it will be that great. The only reason why you'd want to run double Geo is because of Geo reasonance, which requires you to be shielded.

You could argue that you'll have Crystalize shields, but they are so weak without EM that you'll lose the shield in no time. Not only that, but you need to sacrifice DPS time running around picking the shards.

Similarly to Hu Tao, I think bringing a VV user to shred RES will be a better alternative.

Btw, does somebody know how well will Yoimiya - Yun Jin - Bennett - Kazuha perform compared to Yoimiya - Xingqiu - Bennett - Kazuha?

[azure folio]

there was a sheet done for both

lemme check it

[azure folio]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gSYhyqGHKndR-jiEPsQXWiweYUm9U8GnJO3tcbKwSZk/edit#gid=826110436

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OgUhPXlqOBmLRUMqUlDHQBAoFtJhMGa6AFEc4BF56es/edit#gid=1368559553

here these are the sheet u asked for

[dark pendant]

Ty! ^^

[dark pendant]

Hmm kinda disappointed with the numbers. I though the damage difference between the two teams would be much smaller

Is there a spresdsheet for Yoi - XQ - YJ - Kaz?

Oh wait a sec

[dark pendant]

Are there any Yoi - XQ - Bennett - Kazuha/Sucrose sheets? This isn't the one I was looking for

[viral lotus]

Huh, when you compared this XQ build vs the bennet variant, you can see that bennet doesn't cover for the loss of vape reactions, nor can he provide even a 3rd of XQ's burst damage. Kazuha is affected by bennet a bit as well, but not enough to cover for these losses.

[viral lotus]

maybe you'll find it by asking on yoimiya mains or KQM. Because KQM standards are newer than yoimiya, idk if someone applied these standards to her teams yet

[sour root]

Its unfortunate, but despite the kqm standards, peoples sheets are siloed

So i find u end up doing work from zero anyway

[azure folio]

instead of Yoimiya mains i think asking Yunjin mains might work better 🤔

[viral lotus]

wdym lol? no yunjin on this team

i don't know why would yunjin mains would go out of their way to TC a non yunjin team

[azure folio]

ohh nvm .. i m simply pepega

[fierce field]

if im gonna use yunjin as a main dps, is it still 2 husk 2 petra for her artifact set?

[tardy thunder]

What makes those numbers disappointing to you?

59k is very high

[night cliff]

Wish tp rerun will be with mist or EL

[bronze kayak]

Hello

Is there a pre-tc weappn for yunjin

Does starglitter works?

[night cliff]

Should be in #・faq

[bronze kayak]

Ueah sorry

I went there as soon as I asked

Lmao I tend to ask before taking the initiative my apologies

[lofty karma]

R4+ fav slightly better or equal to EL, after that prototype starglitter on par with r5 deathmatch

r5 kitain cross spear is situationally better than starglitter

[bronze kayak]

I see but only at r5?

[lofty karma]

yeah

r4+ fav is 100% the recommendation though

[bronze kayak]

When you said starglitter on par with deathmatch is that r1-r5 or r5-r5

[lofty karma]

#913132027371483226 message

[lofty karma]

starglitter only used for sub

[bronze kayak]

I see

[lofty karma]

can also put catch there, but yunjin is a real waste of the catch

when starglitter does the exact same thing

and the linked table is why r4 fav is so good on her

with nendq in 2 target, you can hit 95% proc rate off of just CR subs

[bronze kayak]

okii okii thank youuu

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma ive done a big pepega

ive been giving bennet 1130 atk buff with skyward blade in all my calcs

but thats higher than it should be

should be 1054

right?

[night cliff]

799x1.32

[azure folio]

[tardy thunder]

means YunJins buff is more bigger than Bennets than I thought

always look on bright side

[azure folio]

[obsidian pollen]

Is it worth to build Noelle after Yunjin will be out?

[acoustic abyss]

how does yunjin affect building noelle?

[obsidian pollen]

She doesn't affects directly tbf just wondering if a team comp like Noëlle Yunjin Fischl and beidou can 36* abyss without any kind of difficulties

I see Yunjin as a buff support and battery at the same time even better than Albedo

More than Gorou idk

[acoustic abyss]

that sounds like a reasonable comp, can't say whether it can 36* abyss

from what i have seen noelle is not the best Yunjin driver

compared to units like Yoimya or Ninnguang, who would also work with fischl and beidou quite well

but it can probably work

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah perhaps idk

[acoustic abyss]

I'd say the big opportunity cost for that team is why not just run Bennet instead?

[obsidian pollen]

Assuming that they're all c6 but Yunjin

[acoustic abyss]

though that applies to most teams lol

[obsidian pollen]

Bennett isn't the best with her

[vale furnace]

Yunjin powercrept Bennett. Noted

[obsidian pollen]

It's not like he buff def

And we don't need his heal neither the pyro resonance

Since there will the be geo one with Yunjin

[acoustic abyss]

lol

he buffs Fischl and Beidou too though

and Noelle still benefits from attack buff

when thinking about a Noelle-Yunjin comp I thought Gorou would be a great fit

since he buffs both of them

[obsidian pollen]

About Gorou that's true

Even at c0

I don't even want to pull on character banner

Cuz scared to get another 4* unit than him or a itto by accident

[leaden topaz]

If only Ning scaled even slightly off of def

[modern blaze]

i plan to try a mono def comp with noelle gorou albedo yunjin after getting her from lantern rite
you do lose some shield uptime but noelle's passive and yunjin's E hold should help with that

[obsidian pollen]

And gorou buff Yunjin's buff if i understood pretty well

[modern blaze]

yep

in double geo i think yunjin can be a pretty decent support for noelle, but i'm not sure if she can beat geo MC/ning's battery power
maybe if you get her c1 to lower E cooldown? i dunno

[obsidian pollen]

She does 3 particles when E is at max charge and if she crit (assuming you have r4 favonius spear at less ) i do believe it'll be fine

[acoustic abyss]

especially with the double electro comp you had

fischl + electro res will help a lot

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah that's why

But wondering if c0 Gorou is better than that double c6 electro comp

Which it's not i guess

[acoustic abyss]

I still think Bennet would be better for the double electro one

since he buffs noelle, fischl, and beidou

[obsidian pollen]

Don't think so but you should think about Bennett being so useful and polyvalent that he'll be already used in a more busted team comp

Like a melt or vaporize one

[acoustic abyss]

yeah thats a good argument against it

so is gorou not an option for you?

[modern blaze]

electro res doesn't work with crystallize

[acoustic abyss]

excuse me

it what

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah ikr

[modern blaze]

fischl passive works but the free electro particle doesn't

[acoustic abyss]

what the fuck

why

[modern blaze]

small indie company

[acoustic abyss]

crystallize is already so bad

jeez

well thats dumb

but you'll still have decent energy for noelle I think

My problem with Yunjin in that comp is that she only buffs one unit in it, and Noelle is already not the best Yunjin driver

[obsidian pollen]

Crystallize is a bit worth when Yunjin c4

[acoustic abyss]

though again i dont think it'll be bad

[modern blaze]

why not? noelle should be able to use her buff just fine against more than 1 target

[acoustic abyss]

I thought Yunjin's buff would have lower efficacy since noelle doesn't have many sources of DMG%

but yeah in AoE she'd be able to proc it aight

[modern blaze]

she has a decent amount
46% from goblet, 15% geo res, 24% from husk

[acoustic abyss]

ah true i forgot about husk

[modern blaze]

15% extra from gorou if you have him, 30-50% from SS if you have it

[acoustic abyss]

i like her with gorou a lot

[obsidian pollen]

So Noelle fischl (c6) gorou Yunjin (c0) will be better

[acoustic abyss]

i dont have numbers so i can't say, but yunjin is similar to beidou in a lot of ways

i like that comp more because instead of focusing on two units who don't synergize and have a similar job of doing offield damage, it gives you one of those units and buffs the ohter

[modern blaze]

it also enables the triple geo buff from gorou

[obsidian pollen]

Beidou isn't similar to Yunjin beside the E

[modern blaze]

i mean sure they're technically different but in practice both add damage to NAs while off field

[acoustic abyss]

She gives you flat damage that you trigger from offield

yunjin's damage just uses your units DMG% stats

but because its flat damage it is comparable to a subdps instead of a buffer

she is like a hybrid

and she does have a similar role to beidou

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah unfortunately I'm not good enough in math to choose between a gorou c0 and two c6 electro comp

[acoustic abyss]

same, my reasoning is just Yunjin is a sort of pseudo-offield carry who deals her damage using your characters' DMG% stats, and Beidou is an offield carry who uses her own stats. I typically would pick one of them and support it with a buffing unit instead of doing both with no buffs

its why gorou is so appealing in that team

he buffs each of them

and why I think bennet-noelle-beidou-fischl would be better if you don't use him

[modern blaze]

who would be the 2nd geo in the geo electro comp?

you can always give them 4p petra to buff the electro half of the team

[acoustic abyss]

geo traveler is my thought

so i guess its a question of who does more damage, Geo MC or Yunjin

Geo MC does at least give crit rate buff and is a better battery

yunjin also likely wants 4 piece husk, though archaic petra would be okay i think

[obsidian pollen]

It's Noëlle Yunjin Beidou Fischl

I really don't like Geo MC even if he's a good battery

[acoustic abyss]

not liking geo mc is valid

those dumbass rocks

its a shame cause his actual kit is so nice

[obsidian pollen]

True

[night cliff]

Yeah it is annoying but at the same time for example with ZL pillar microwave is satisfying

[night cliff]

https://youtu.be/FwrIwJRk8T4 Noelle is already quite good, even more with new set and gorou now

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah that's pretty impressive tho

[lofty karma]

you want noelle yunjin gorou + flex if you're running yunjin there

favbow gorou can already nearly solo battery noelle

[obsidian pollen]

Even c0 Gorou is better than fischl and beidou c6?

[tardy thunder]

Who is pingu me

[lofty karma]

if c0 gorou fischl + beidou may be better

[obsidian pollen]

Yeah i won't have him c6 for sure

That's why

I may at less have some constellations on Yunjin

[lofty karma]

can wait for rerun

[acoustic abyss]

also i wouldn't recommend on trying to roll for gorou

if y ou dont want itto

[tardy thunder]

Noelle Yunjin Gorou bennet hyper Noelle

[lofty karma]

new chars rerun more often it seems

[tardy thunder]

[lofty karma]

that's my thoughts

[obsidian pollen]

Like c6 Yunjin with Noelle is dope

[lofty karma]

though you aren't tied to specifically bennett if we get a better buffer

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[acoustic abyss]

i think part of it is that you are looking at yunjin as a buffer like bennet and gorou

when she isn't really a normal buffer

[lofty karma]

noelle has one huge part of her kit that favbow gorou finally makes useful

that she keeps infusion even after swap

[modern blaze]

yunjin should be able to battery well too

[obsidian pollen]

With favonius spear yeah

[modern blaze]

huh noelle being able to swap was already used by geo MC and other units

[obsidian pollen]

She may buff differently but in which way

[acoustic abyss]

I think if you can spare bennet he will be a lot stronger in your fischl-beidou-noelle comp

she doesn't depend on your scaling or attack stats

she adds flat damage

[lofty karma]

so does bennett in a way

[modern blaze]

the issue with running noelle benny fischl beidou is that you lose noelle battery and geo res

[obsidian pollen]

I won't use Bennett with my Noelle comp for sure

[acoustic abyss]

so in a way her "Buff" is just her way of dealing damage like beidou

[lofty karma]

it's just a different flat damage

yunjins doesn't care about MVs while bennetts does

[acoustic abyss]

good point

[obsidian pollen]

Otherwise I wouldn't even comes here tbh

[acoustic abyss]

yeah bennet not withstanding it seems like a fine comp

[obsidian pollen]

What's MVs?

[lofty karma]

motion values

[tardy thunder]

Motion value

[obsidian pollen]

[acoustic abyss]

though i still think yunjin doesn't have much synergy with Beidou and fischl

[modern blaze]

the scaling of your skills

[obsidian pollen]

Oh

[tardy thunder]

Yun Jin has amazing synergy with Fischl.

[modern blaze]

the % of atk/def/other stat that gets converted into actual damage, that is MV

[lofty karma]

yunjin is fine in hypernoelle
not that great in driver noelle

[acoustic abyss]

fischl c6?

[lofty karma]

c1

[tardy thunder]

C1 Physchl

[acoustic abyss]

i mean as a noelle support

[lofty karma]

for some reason c1 counts as normal damage

[obsidian pollen]

C1 fischl with skyward harp is good with Yunjin

[lofty karma]

compound bow too

[modern blaze]

yunjin can hold 4p petra just fine
loses some personal damage (buff) but can buff the electro side of the comp

[obsidian pollen]

But don't think she'll even surpass Eula with a 4* weapon

[acoustic abyss]

yeah for the fischl beidou idea i like her running petra

adds some amount of synergy with the other sub dps units

[lofty karma]

physchl can dump 30 stacks in 6 seconds flat

this can allow for 2 carry yunjin team

or

[tardy thunder]

Why

[lofty karma]

for incredibly short rotations

[tardy thunder]

Any ideas?

I forget

[modern blaze]

a good candidate would be ning

[tardy thunder]

Have so many ideas and work so much overtime that I forget a lot

[lofty karma]

fischl + rosaria + yunjin + either bennett or zhong

[tardy thunder]

Yup

[modern blaze]

ning kinda wants short rotations because of her 12s burst

[tardy thunder]

I think I might just start giving Ning 30 stacks in my calcs cuz of her c1

[lofty karma]

ning would also work

[lofty karma]

take ning to floor 10 and see how many you can get on mob floors

that would be a good upper bounds

[obsidian pollen]

Her AA multiplier + E debuff even without counting her ult dps

[tardy thunder]

Why are you assuming fischl can’t do more than that

How much does a Eula do under kqm standards

I’ll provide Physchl sheet

Don’t remember if I have it on sheet yet or not

So I’ll prob just do it over from scratch

@lofty karma do you think Tpulse will be BiS for Physchl Yun Jin?

Can’t see why it wouldn’t

Even if you don’t get 3 stacks

[lofty karma]

lemme check brumals effect again

[tardy thunder]

I think brumal buffs attack percent

Which Yun Jin doesn’t care about

Yeah it’s attack percent

[lofty karma]

it's also 30% CR

there's also harp

[tardy thunder]

It has same CV as Pulse

Idk how much cv harp is

[lofty karma]

which is 60 CV + not actually pike

[wanton beacon]

it's like 60

[tardy thunder]

Imagine if harp was literal pike but now

[lofty karma]

64.2 CV to be exact

[tardy thunder]

So Tpulse has more CV and a better passive right

Yun Jin is making Tpulse even more stonks than it already was

Wen Tpulse rerun

Imagine a Tpulse mist banner

[lofty karma]

there's also compound bow

[tardy thunder]

Compound bow the f2p option

Rust should be better I would think

Unless your compound is higher refine

[lofty karma]

69% dmg bonus + 9.6% atk speed

worse than high refine rust

[tardy thunder]

Yup

Really good for f2p tho

[lofty karma]

there's also slingshot

if we're using bennett

[tardy thunder]

Wait would rotation in Fischl Rosaria Zhong Yun Jin be?

[lofty karma]

how long does SC debuff last?

[tardy thunder]

12s

[lofty karma]

so for rotation 1, zhong hold E>rosaria EQ>yunjin NENDQ (or NENQ if no c4)>Fischl CA + dump stacks + oz>zhong stack dump

then hold E and rosaria as soon as rotation allows

2nd rotation has no need for fischl CA

[tardy thunder]

Hmm

Any particular reason we start with fischl instead of Zhong for stack dump?

Or for fischl CA after Yun Jin Q?

[lofty karma]

so that she can CA for SC

and on rotation 2 if oz is still sticking around because of c6

we can zhong first

[tardy thunder]

I see

Also kekpog Rosaria makes fav easier to proc

[lofty karma]

they both want fav

[tardy thunder]

Does Rosaria really need that much ER?

[lofty karma]

also I do kinda like bennett over zhong

[tardy thunder]

How would the rotation change with Benny?

[lofty karma]

bennett EQ>rosaria EQ>yunjin ENQ>fischl CA then dump stacks finishing with oz

with either rosaria or yunjin filling the time before bennett is ready again

see if we can finagle that one down to 15s

[warm trout]

Would fischl/rosaria/yunjin/gorou be a somewhat strict downgrade to zhongli? A third geo for gorou doesn't seem worth the loss of SC at all, but I'm not sure he provides enough of a buff at just 2

[lofty karma]

he does not

wait

wait

what about instead of bennett

SARA

[tardy thunder]

Why

[lofty karma]

electro means we cut out on the fischl CA

and she only wants 6s field time

[tardy thunder]

How about just using beidou then

Her personal damage is gonna be way higher than what Sara provide

[lofty karma]

so the fact sara only lasts for 6s doesn't matter

[lofty karma]

20s

[tardy thunder]

Worth

It’s beidou

[lofty karma]

the reason to try to cram it into 15s is to get a sweet sweet 33% DPS gain

and physchl being able to cram all her damage into a 6s window with the other 2 supports also being on 15s

[tardy thunder]

But if the 4th is Sara you have no shield or heal

[lofty karma]

heck with sara providing SC we may not even strictly speaking need to use oz

[tardy thunder]

We need an electro healer

[lofty karma]

ok fine

prototype amber lisa

[tardy thunder]

That’s a 20s rotation

Thought you didn’t want

[lofty karma]

so sara then

[tardy thunder]

Where heal/shield

[lofty karma]

does physchl use long auto chains?

[tardy thunder]

No but you’re still gonna die without a healer or shielder

[lofty karma]

floor 12 first half has no corrosion and is all ST

it'll be fine

right?

for next abyss

[warm trout]

Fischl/rosaria/yunjin/diona for the cryo res maybe?

[lofty karma]

diona provides nothing to the team besides 15% crit and a shield

I could see maybe cutting rosaria for diona if shield is absolutely needed

[tardy thunder]

Could we do: Fischl E/Q > Bennet EQ > Rosaria EQ > Yunjin NENQ > Fischl NA spam

[lofty karma]

oz has 12s duration

[tardy thunder]

At what point would Oz expire I wonder

[lofty karma]

14 with c6

[tardy thunder]

It’s 12s at c6

10 without

[lofty karma]

bennett + rosaria + yunjin is still far less than 10s

bennett is 2 and yunjin is 3

[tardy thunder]

Yes I’m expecting that Oz would still be there some of your field time

So you would prob need to keep Fischl on field for longer than 6s

Not sure how long tho

Would need to know at what point Oz leaves

[lofty karma]

wait wait wait....

what if

this is shenhe team

[tardy thunder]

Huh?

[lofty karma]

as the cryo unit

[tardy thunder]

Elaborate

[lofty karma]

wait
20s CD ult