Yunjin Thread

[viral lotus]

gotta say, he does some scary damage for lvl 1

[sand sluice]

how many weeks until 2.4 again?

[winter steeple]

Cos the damage from shenhe (14) on n1 is the absolute min

[viral lotus]

4

[compact girder]

No its 3

Is it good then

[viral lotus]

is this incorrect then?

27 days to update if this calendar is correct

9/12/21 --> 5/1/22

[winter steeple]

Cant check whether it scales on dmg bonus but it seems to scale on crit resShred and def

[viral lotus]

that's very good

its almost safe to assume it applies to dmg bonus

[winter steeple]

Does it scale off the active characters crit ? Idk

[viral lotus]

oh right, we are back to this issue

[winter steeple]

Confirmed to scale on def and resShred

[tardy thunder]

What I miss

[mental ingot]

Yunjin bad.

[tardy thunder]

?

[compact girder]

They were discussing how her buff works

[mental ingot]

explains nothing

[compact girder]

Nothing new i guess

Though im interested in shenhe + yun jin

[tardy thunder]

What would team be tho

[compact girder]

Thats..what im thinking about

Just add ttds kokomi for now

Probably count the bubble procs off first

Or use ToM

Well we can go phys shen but her Quills would be useless

[wheat valley]

Chongyun Shenhe Yunjin Kazuha

[winter steeple]

ugh numbers dont seem to fit in nicely, hard to confirm much
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VkQogsG4cdR3Y5u4HEfLmzOijaBZGBhXll6my9WJb8/edit?usp=sharing

all those rough calcs doesnt in the end confirm anything

[viral lotus]

we must be missing something about that 27

[viral lotus]

we trying to confirm the assumptions made at #・theorycrafting

they based their theory purely on the skill text and the fact that the damage comes out in a single line of damage. we wanted to see if there's a way to do it more rigorously by looking at the pyro herald fight and studying the numbers

[tardy thunder]

I don’t see anything new in research facility

[white plinth]

think they're referring to how everyone is currently assuming shenhe/yunjin buffs work

gonna be really hard to prove or disprove w/o stats from leakers

[remote nymph]

do you guys think yunjin will get particle generation like Beidou?

[sand sluice]

But we already have her particle gen? From reliable leakers anyway.

[mental ingot]

I think the question is: is it good?

[sand sluice]

It's 3 particles per parry, soooo

[mental ingot]

It's time to git gud.

At least it appears she can trigger full parry by just holding E long enough.

[modern blaze]

mhy realized sometimes the AI is too stupid to get a parry

[sand sluice]

The manual charge is great tbh

[mental ingot]

I'm still going to pepega and release on a hilichurl whiff and get a level 1 proc.

[winter steeple]

There’s a manual charge?

[white plinth]

yea you just hold down E

not sure if it's worth waiting for more dmg on a full def build though

unless it also gives more particles and you really need the energy

[sour root]

With beidou i treat it more like a bonus. Once u get the timing for a switch counter, it becomes pretty easy

[viral lotus]

https://twitter.com/deviltakoyaki/status/1469141570712600578?s=20

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[compact girder]

Noir

Have you considered physkeq for yun jin

[sand sluice]

uuuuh what about her charge attack?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

Haven’t mathed it tho

But it seems like copium when fischl exists

[golden grove]

Why play physchl when u have yoimiya?

Is physchl higher dmg than yoi?

[tough ruin]

Against Pyro slimes maybe

[remote nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_TxHjaA1ic

so they use Compound for the Atk Speed

do we know if it's normal or quite rare to pump out all 30 stacks of Yun jin's ult?

this can make compound Fischl good

[white plinth]

c1 fischl only needs to do 3N5 to dump all buff stacks

that's only 9ish seconds, faster if you do fancy cancels

[azure folio]

does Oz's attack also considered "normal attack" ?

from c1 i mean

🤔

[white plinth]

they count for rust so should count for yunjin

[azure folio]

ohh if thats the case

indeed

c1 Fish should do the job

[compact karma]

compound physchl happening?

[mental ingot]

Just run Yoimiya C6.

[remote nymph]

man Yunjin is good support

but for those I don't play with

maybe I can get Mitternatch for Fischl then i can play her DPS

[mental ingot]

Doesn’t Fischl C1 require Oz to not be on the field or am I high?

[remote nymph]

yes

Oz has to be not on field

[mental ingot]

So you would lose the Oz damage + C6 if you had it, in order to use C1 to proc Yunjin buffs.

[white plinth]

rust is better for pure phys and stringless is better for subdps fischl

mitternacht really has no place in the game unless you decide to play some unholy hybrid build

[viral lotus]

Its for fashion impact

[white plinth]

weapon skins when, mihoyo?

[remote nymph]

why signature weapon yet bad?

can i have the Honkai ver instead pls

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[tardy thunder]

You would summon Oz but you would make sure he leaves the field either right when fischl enters the field or summon him right when she’s leaving

But you probably want to build pure physical

So his damage won’t be super high but he will proc SC for you

[mental ingot]

I thought Alley Hunter was better than Stringless for support Fischl.

[white plinth]

it is, i forgot it existed

[remote nymph]

it is

the atk% is def better than EM

[latent cloud]

do charge attacks count as normal attacks when it comes to buffs?

[hearty thunder]

Wdym

[latent cloud]

im wondering if u could do something like c6 xinyan + yunjin + c2jean to max out her spin speed

[hearty thunder]

Nope

Normal attack and charged attack are both auto attack (aa) but they are not programmed the same

[latent cloud]

guess it's just normal attacks for mdps xy in this comp then

seems kind of sad that you cant fully benefit from yunjin's buffs on c6 xy charge attacks but owell

[sour bear]

how much ER does Yunjin need? Should she run 2-2 husk-emblem or 4-NO or 4-husk? And I saw smth in here about her A4 being total bait or smth?

her A4 passive is a flat dmg buff right?

[vestal cipher]

it just adds a little to her burst

[hearty thunder]

It works like how her burst works

A4 being total bait means u don't have to fully utilize its requirement

[vestal cipher]

its just telling the player "this is not gorou, please use in multi element team"

[sour bear]

I see

[sour bear]

so her burst gives dmg bonus buff (like elemental/burst dmg bonus and the like) to normal attacks and A4 adds a bit more to it (?)

sry if I'm being redundant here, didn't read it thoroughly until now and am just clarifying

[vestal cipher]

yeah it says "further increase", so just add the percentages

[sour bear]

aight aight, thanks!

[tardy thunder]

If you aren’t using c6 Xinyan CA why are you even using her tho

Just use razor instead for NAs

He has 40% atk speed vs her 12%

[grizzled schooner]

Yunjin national with c6 Bennett and xiangling as a driver?

Is there any math on the dpr for that comp

And also math on just driver xl with c6 Benny

[tardy thunder]

I have this

[grizzled schooner]

Can you send it?

[rapid nimbus]

My C6 Xinyan still waiting the day of her glory

[compact girder]

Does Xinyan atk speed bonus even affect her CA?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[lofty karma]

a4 passive is MV buff
not worth actively pursuing but a nice bonus

[grizzled schooner]

Is the dmg calc updated with yunjin’s new c2?

[tardy thunder]

I forget

Haven’t touched it in a week or two

Been busy

[grizzled schooner]

Rip

[mental ingot]

What was her old C2?

[mental ingot]

Oh, less stacky now.

[nimble glade]

Question
Yunjin with eula?

Will yunjin be of help here

Or would switching her for another support be better

[viral lotus]

I feel like there are better supports for Eula than Yunjin. Eula won't be able to effectively use a lot of the stacks without hitting multiple targets at once with every normal attack, which is unreliable af.

The only claymore character that has a chance to make use of yunjin is probably Noelle. Noelle's large reach in burst mode makes it far more realistic to hit many targets at a time

[languid socket]

Also yunjin has to worry about energy herself

[viral lotus]

funny how mihoyo try to push yunjin to rainbow teams, but still have her suffer from energy issues

[languid socket]

Hopefully 200 er is enough

[viral lotus]

at least ER is secondary stat

[viral lotus]

depending on the team, but i think you could go with less

[languid socket]

I just reminded of some tester using prototype starglitter with 200 er having issues refilling with 3 skill uses on yunjinmains. I don't think they link the post talking about it though

I imagine with favonius Lance that's more than enough but I rather not be locked into it

[mental ingot]

Is Kitain viable?

[faint hornet]

Her buff needs DEF/DEF/DEF to be at its best, Yun Jin doesn't benefit from having crit, so Fav Lance is just gonna make her worse.

[mental ingot]

Kitain doesn't benefit from ER, right?

Wait, why is Kitain's substat EM?

[faint hornet]

Because miHoYo keeps making weapons for characters that don't exist.

It's not even like... well invested EM. It's half as much as DB.

[mental ingot]

Base ATK is 3 higher, though.

Man, Yunjin's weapon choices are kinda trash.

[faint hornet]

Yeah, I wish there was a way to get a second Catch.

'Cause that'd be nice for her burst damage.

And has a lot of ER.

[mental ingot]

Her burst buff isn't buffed by Catch.

[faint hornet]

I'm not talking about her buff?

The % on her burst damage is pretty nice.

[mental ingot]

Her burst does damage?

[faint hornet]

Yes.

[mental ingot]

Not even DEF-scaling damage.

[faint hornet]

Oh man. Only her skill is DEF% damage. Fuck.

I guess just put Starglitter on her for the ER stat and call it a day.

[languid socket]

Doesn't mean you can't build work towards crit rate in her sub stats, that would benefit the point of said build

[faint hornet]

I think investing those substats in ER is gonna go further.

[languid socket]

I mean what are you wanting to run

Are you going to use the catch or the wavefin?

[faint hornet]

Came to the conclusion of Starglitter, if you read.

[languid socket]

Ok

[tardy thunder]

Wave on Yunjin?

[mental ingot]

439% ATK scaling on ult.

[balmy remnant]

her ult lowkey pushes hilichurl's like a mile away which is for someone who buffs NAs lmao

[mental ingot]

But not if she's buffing Yoimiya.

[lofty karma]

OK so basically
she doesn't use any weapons well, so her choices are ER weapon or deathmatch
with favlance being the 4* option

though one thing to note about favlance is that depending on refine/stats and build
if you still need more ER than you can sub, a CR hat may be worth more than a ER timepiece

DEF/DEF/DEF with deathmatch is of course ideal

but most teams are gonna need an ER weapon or timepiece

to get her to the 180-200% ER she'll need

[sand sluice]

Just stack some crit for fav? You can afford some crit subs

Even 25-30 will do tbh

[lofty karma]

30% crit subs is nowhere near enough

here's the stats you need for 95% success rate on fav at various refines and combos

at r1 ENQ would need 100% crit for 95% chance at proc. 87.8% at En2Q
R2 90.22%/75.3
R3 78.9/65.9
R4 70.1/58.5
R5 63.1/52.7

all assuming single target

for 2 target
R1 75.1/65.5
R2 64.3/56.1
R3 56.3/49.1
R4 50.0/43.6
R5 45.07/39.3

one last calc for EQ
2 target
R1 87.8
R2 75.3
R3 65.8
R4 58.5
R5 52.7
1 target
R1 no
R2 no
R3 97.3
R4 86.2
R5 77.6

the only time it's even close to reasonable sub range is En2Q in 2+ target scenarios with r5

[sand sluice]

What about autos?

[mental ingot]

So... The Catch, then.

[lofty karma]

that's with autos

[mental ingot]

I'm almost tempted to run Kitain anyways and just accept a lower uptime.

🇪 🇲

[lofty karma]

catch is fine
and technically better than favlance by a small margin
but there's so many better units to run catch on

[mental ingot]

I don't run Xiangling and Raiden has EL.

[lofty karma]

I'm tempted to say that spine is her reasonable BiS solely because no one else uses it

[mental ingot]

Thoma is rocking Spine right now...

But all Spine gives her is the 36.8% ER.

She doesn't really benefit at all from anything else.

[lofty karma]

same with any other weapon

she essentially can't make use of any weapon outside of DEF% stat or ER% stat

[mental ingot]

I mean, Starglitter and Catch's 45.9% would be direct upgrade in that context.

[faint hornet]

I'd go Proto Glitter just 'cause same ER% as the Catch and F2P but there are better units that use The Catch.

[mental ingot]

Also need DEF% mainstat artifacts with ER substats.

[lofty karma]

they would
but other units actually want the catch
and you can never have enough pikes

[mental ingot]

Husk and Petra?

[lofty karma]

petra and husk are her only arti options

outside of memes like 4pc exile

[mental ingot]

Petra isn't even going to do much for her.

2P Husk, definitely.

4P husk is

[lofty karma]

petra does do a lot for her actually

[mental ingot]

4P Petra, probably. I don't expect her to do much damage with DEF% and chasing ER substats.

[lofty karma]

she uses the onfields dmg% crit and damage type

so buffing your onfield with petra buffs her damage too

[white plinth]

has anyone checked how deathmatch's conditional def/atk buffs work for off field chars?

[lofty karma]

it does

applies the same as onfield

[mental ingot]

DM is ER-starved.

[lofty karma]

DM is absolutely ER starved
and generally not worth unless you have some mad energy flowing in team

or have a spare R5 for some reason

[mental ingot]

Eh, I'm not likely ever to go back to Petra domain anyways. Just need to keep an eye out for DEF% + ER% Husks.

[lofty karma]

now
2pc husk 2pc EoSF is something worth considering

[mental ingot]

Or EoSF.

[lofty karma]

worse than 4pc husk, but only by a single substat

[mental ingot]

Still need 6 more right-pieces of Husk though. At this rate, that'll be 9 more weeks.

Fuck it, 2P husk and then whatever fits.

She's a support, she's not as important as Itto and Albedo.

Doesn't even heal.

[lofty karma]

2pc husk 2pc eosf is a substat worse
but chances are you have a lot of misfit EoSF pieces

[mental ingot]

[lofty karma]

no
she's basically beidou

[mental ingot]

NOT AS IMPORTANT AS ITTO AND ALBEDO!

[lofty karma]

She's as important as albedo

[mental ingot]

I HATH DECWEED!

[lofty karma]

potentially more so

[faint hornet]

What is it with new polearms and basically just having no weapon that really fits their kit? Thoma was the same.

[lofty karma]

so they can sell the new weapon later in limited banner

like lithic series/ alley flash/ whatever

[mental ingot]

I'm pretty sure the intern just mistyped EM when he meant to type ER for Kitain.

Stupid interns.

[faint hornet]

LOL

Kitain would be perfect for Thoma even with moderate ER stats.

[lofty karma]

also the kind of weapon yunjin and tohma want are kinda just.... too niche for them to ever use a permanent gacha slot on

[mental ingot]

Spears just lack DEF% and HP% support in the 4* and 5* tiers right now.

Except Homa.

[lofty karma]

they're just niche stats

chances are next ZL banner will come with HP% weapon

[mental ingot]

Ain't no one got a Homa for Thoma, though. Except the ultra hwales.

We already got our free 4* weapon patch.

Next patch is free 4* character.

[lofty karma]

no
HP% 5*

[mental ingot]

A spear to surpass Homa.

VV rebranded.

[lofty karma]

possibly whatever the spear entry is for the millenium series

[faint hornet]

We just need an HP% main stat spear that also gives ER% based on a percentage of HP.

Is that too much?

[lofty karma]

yeah

[faint hornet]

And then a DEF% spear that does the exact same thing.

[mental ingot]

The archon of contracts, diligence, and prosperity embracing the songs of "fuckit-ism".

[lofty karma]

he did that tho

[hearty thunder]

Why is that archon's weapon atk main stat

[lofty karma]

he retired

[mental ingot]

[lofty karma]

[mental ingot]

The story is actually just gathering all the exiled archons in Venti's cellar to play drunken D&D.

[modern blaze]

sounds fun

[languid socket]

I would definitely roll a weapon for yunjin, er weapon that buffs normal attacks and converts er into defense please

[modern blaze]

prototype starglitter already does 2 out of 3 of those things

the craftable

has ER% substat and buffs NAs after using a skill iirc

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WUgFKSUObCClls_qYEWyOTPODg1cB_5fLeK7IejlK5I/edit?usp=sharing

Haven’t calced the full team dps yet

[balmy remnant]

i like how it's still roughly in the format of your notepad ones, but just on a sheet lol

[tawny spoke]

As long as its readable its ok

[tardy thunder]

[mental ingot]

[languid socket]

Want it but I'm holding out to r5 kitain

Also I wonder when gorou would rerun with geo characters only?

[tardy thunder]

Whenever

[languid socket]

I'm just wondering because sara hasn't rotated back yet

I'm assuming if not next patch, in 2.5 if yae prediction holds

[mental ingot]

Sara + Yae.

Gotta have a support to generate energy for Yae to support.

[tardy thunder]

Mihoyo constantly breaks these “patterns” we think we’ve found in banners

[mental ingot]

Random interval positive reinforcement.

Gotta keep the puppers salivating.

[white plinth]

they still haven't run two 4*s of the same element on a banner

so either razor or fischl will be MIA for 10 banners by next patch

or both

[sour root]

Maybe the select them from jar at random

[tawny spoke]

Fishbowl method

[azure folio]

bdw folks .. is there a sheet for Yunjin's numbers etc. !?

🤔

there is a sheet in the pins but .. i dont really understand what that really is tbh

[primal kiln]

the sheet in the pins are frame counts iirc

[azure folio]

frame counts !?

🤔

[primal kiln]

yess, they arent dmg outputs if thats what ur looking for

[azure folio]

sorry i m simply dumb .. i dont really understand math or mechanics that detailed 🤔

so i was looking for a simple enough for a dumb like me to understand dmg outputs etc.

but tnx for confirming

[primal kiln]

there were couple of ppl doing yunjin tc here

if u scroll a bit i think u can find some

[crystal flame]

Noir has made some TC for Yun Jin and someone made some cresent pike estimation.
Don't know what you are looking for but Yun Jin isn't a hypercarry style of profile character nor probably a good driver by herself unless we all missed something.
But some characters have tons of DMG% multipliers, some from element infusion or unique multiplier on NA so she won't by herself be 36* abyss enabler but some characters that don't have a great 3th or 4th teammate for them and are already strong when hyperinvested may benefit from her

[azure folio]

ahh no .. i m not looking for hypercarry or heck dps Yunjin .. i wanted to know how much dmg increase she is giving from her Q .. with what investment-stats etc.

🤔

or how much her Q nd ES deals dmg .. i m not quite sure about the mechanics of it but .. someone said before that "as its def scaling .. it will be lower dmc increse compared to atk's dmg increase like Shenhe" something

i dont really understand the principle behind that

or what causes it personally

but not just 1 but some others also said that

so i was wondering what her actual dmg buff numbers gonna be

🤔

[sand sluice]

My almost fully invested Noelle gets more out of her buffs than a c6 Gorou

[crystal flame]

FAQ and people's calcs from this and other servers will probably be released a week or so before her release, change may still happen

[sand sluice]

and that's in a mono geo team, so the buff is lessened

[azure folio]

i mean is there a mechanic thats gating def scaled dmg sharing or skill dmgs to lowered compared to atk scaling ones !?

🤔

[azure folio]

hmm okay .. so ppl simply waiting for beta to finish to see her latest changes

okay

tnx

[crystal flame]

Shenhe's buff is unreasonably high compared to most buff we have right now, that's why it is limited to 5-7 instances of damage, Yun Jin while directly lower than shenhe quill(and restricted differently, cryo VS NA), YJ has way higher limit to 30 stacks

[sand sluice]

a lot of folks don't get that Shenhe WILL set a new record for damage per screenshot

like, damn gurl is 2.5-3 benetts when maxed out

[azure folio]

but .. why !? .. i mean at the end .. isnt scaling of ES is litterally around the same !? ( i m excluding other bonuses from Shenhe's A4 or Q talents) .. i mean that 5/7 hit limitation is just for her ES buff which is %80 ish dmg increase .. while Yunjin's is %60-70 ish

i mean isnt that around same if we say that Shenhe got 2.5k atk nd Yunjin got 2.5k def .. would that differ around as an example like 300-400 dmg increase only !?

so again as an exampl .. if Yunjin's Q giving 2k dmg bonus .. isnt Shenhe's ES (again excluding other buffs) will give around 2.4-5 ?

🤔

well ofc if we include various other buffs Shenhe is giving .. that 2.5 will become 5k something (again as example)

[crystal flame]

Yep, most people don't actually estimate what she brings and look at limitations or restrictions but somehow don't think about what would be without them sometimes
Release her some months ago or right after Ganyu Ayaka, with no quills and just her buff/debuffs and people would pull for her

[azure folio]

i think atm ppl mostly focusing on energy gain nd battery issue tho considering she is created for mono cryo .. that wont be much an issue regarless 🤔

[crystal flame]

No that's not how numbers work, you are wildly miss-estimating ATK and DEF stats allocation, probably because you look at characters by themselves and not optimised or fringe optimised case for team damage

[azure folio]

i think ppl are just tired of all these "mono element" thing mihoyo doing since 2.1

[viral lotus]

Yea, I just think she's just an uninspiring support. She's definitely going to be useful, but she doesn't spark my imagination

[crystal flame]

that I'll agree with you but it's that time for the meta of the game to evolve in unfortunately

[viral lotus]

Meanwhile yunjin makes you think of weird NA driver niches

[azure folio]

yes .. thats the thing .. i dont know .. i mean why atk-def scaling buffs differ !? 🤔

i personally dont understand the issue behind it .. is there a system that preventing Yunjin's like "def scaled buff" s to work weaker with other units 🤔

[viral lotus]

Shying away from reactions feels more like devolving if you ask me

Next they'll release dendro with only the pyro reaction and be like "ok thats enough, we want to focus on mono dendro anyways"

[azure folio]

personally she looks all nice nd gud in paper .. but personally i simply cant find a place for her in my Eula or Yoimiya teams 🤔

well sadly i dont own much heroes other than Eula-miya nd Raiden in my alt so the options that were said to me just felt .. welp not possible for me

[azure folio]

its like mihoyo saying "ohh u say abbys is ez asf? .. then why not get these characters nd try mono elemenets so it will feel a bit more challanging as u wont have reaction dmgs to x2 ur dmg "

so at the end its "we are too pepeg to add more content to game so we will add mono element characters to make ur abbys performance a bit more challanging "

[viral lotus]

The only things that determins which DPS needs to go with yunjin is how fast they do normal attacks, and if they have bonker %damage multipliers that would go over their normal attacks.
The def vs. att has nothing to do with that part.

[crystal flame]

At the very best Yun Jin should have 3k DEF and there is next to nothing to buff that
her transfusion multiplier at T10 : 57.89%

Shenhe should have 3k5 ATK with an ATK/ATK/ATK build and you could possibly buff those a bit with NO, ToTM, TTDS
Her transfusion multiplier at T10 : 82.18%

Again I'm not saying one is better thatn the others, they won't be used similarly at all.
And YJ may become stapple of the meta but ATK is right now more easily played around than DEF, which may change soon but we'll see.

[viral lotus]

the actual damage yunjin's buff does scale with def, but what's important is the multiplier she was given, and which dps drivers can make use of her.

[sand sluice]

wouldn't it be more fair to assume t13 for yun jin instead?

C3 is managable

[crystal flame]

I'm really close to hyperinvesting everything into Yoimiya to XQ-YJ-Yoimiya everything one by one in next patch

[viral lotus]

that sounds pretty fun tbh

[as long as the targets don't move much]

[viral lotus]

what's your 4th member of that party?

[crystal flame]

No, it's really unlickely to get a C3, that's 4 of the same 3*, I think it' like nearly 1.8 times a 5* limited

[sand sluice]

well, assuming you get a free yunjin

[azure folio]

i mean .. when i first read Yunjin kit .. i thought "she maybe pretty gud with my Miya actually !?" .. but then i learned her E wasnt an actual shield which i personally need as i m a mobile .. dodging various attacks are hard for me

so learning she dont have an off field shield like Noelle nd Zhong's it was sadge moment for me

[viral lotus]

same, she won't be able to handle your shield issues, consider her more of a "normal attack XQ"

[crystal flame]

have to get a shield I think, hopefully ZL and play close to enemy for shred on the 2 elements and geo resonance
if all in dps a VV and you engage with Yoi Q - Anemoa VV - XQ buff- YJ buff - Yoimiya shots everything

[azure folio]

but now i m not quite sure where to place her in my Miya team .. my current miya team is Xq-Benny-miya nd Beidou .. nd honestly i cant find a place for YJ in that team 🤔

just dont know who to replace for her

[crystal flame]

Geo resonance is pretty okay another dmg% multiplier for YJ NA buff

[azure folio]

Xq gives me Vape + his off field dmg output is just too much to pass by .. Benny is carrying my butt so i wont die nd he gives too much atk buff to me .. Beidou was the most optimal option but dont know .. Beidou also helps quite a lot for "AoE" issue of miya

so

[viral lotus]

Won't VV be almost over by the time you reach yoimiya?

XQ needs to cast Q and double E

and idk if YJ needs to use her E for energy in the rotation or no

[crystal flame]

Kazuha infused Pyro should make it last 16~18sec from when he start it right?

[azure folio]

[viral lotus]

i mean, doesn't VV have a 10s duration?

or do you burst swirl the pyro?

[crystal flame]

but yeah I'm not confident on the VV team, with Yoimiya once she's buffed I'm not moving or dodging just left clic till death or Q over so better have a shield or know the fight exactly

Kazuha Burst pyro absorbed the Q from Yoimiya yeah at the start

[azure folio]

yea .. but it doesnt have a cd .. so Kazuu's every swirl resets VV's duration

iirc

thats why ppl start their rotation with Kazuu's ES

[viral lotus]

still he needs to swirl pyro for that, but yea brizjk answered, burst swirls

this team is energy HUNGRY

[crystal flame]

Kazuha Burst pyro absorbed the Q from Yoimiya yeah at the start
Clarifying what I meant

[azure folio]

Kazu may help a bit for that but we will see

miya doesnt stragle with energy

[viral lotus]

good bye VV, hello zhongli

[azure folio]

but Xqnd especially YJ will strugle

ohh wait if u got c6 Xq it also fix his problem .. only YJ left .. well i think entire team's particles can fix it ?

just slap her %200 ish E.R ?

🤔

nd maybe fav spear

tho u would need c.rate built up for her

[viral lotus]

i don't like fav on her

[but she has terrible 4 star choices to begin with so idk anymore ]

[azure folio]

yea .. but u dont really have much option for her right !? .. at the end u still need E.R wep .. as its her only option anyways

[crystal flame]

Good thing about ZL is that you don't burst on ZL if you don't like to spend time for it
XQ with sacrificial and ER should have burst everytime, just have to have a good ER setup for Yun Jin and you could use Shimenawa and forget Yoi Q or just Q when her E runs out and switch out
So 2 characters where you only need their E for your rotation

[azure folio]

well if u got Spine .. nahh Spine would be better on other chars

nvm

[viral lotus]

coping for a defense polearm for update 2.5

[viral lotus]

u mean deathmatch

[azure folio]

nahh skyward Spine

[viral lotus]

so many spines

[azure folio]

[azure folio]

nahh just give more E.R polearm

[viral lotus]

song of broken spines

[azure folio]

[viral lotus]

they already gave us one from fishing, this won't happen

just coping for the second best thing

[azure folio]

give second catch 🤫

[viral lotus]

i'd fish for twice as many fish if they'd let me get another catch

no, 3 times

[azure folio]

ıghh .. i m farming matts for Yunjin but heck i dont even know where to put her

||being too bored of emblem domain||

[crystal flame]

Hum wait, isn't it pretty easy to compare bennett buff to YJ buff? not to see resulting damage number but know if and how they compare to each other for the 30 hits

[viral lotus]

Should be pretty straightforward, as long as you don't talk about comparing swapping exactly bennet with yunjin in a team. Bennet can have an effect on other units of your team (snapshotting), while yunjin can only effect the DPS driver than does normal attacks

this would also ignore things like the benefits of having pyro/geo particles in the team, or the benefits of healing from bennet

basically, a "lets estimate that this cow is a sphere" situation

[crystal flame]

Na5 YJ ~ 17% with a 3k def YunJin than with a 1K atk giving bennett, but Yunjin just isn't going to have 3k def with ER recquirement isn't she?

[viral lotus]

3k defense alone? no way in hell

you'd need gorou for something like that

and yes, that leaves her with only relying on weapon ER, and being VERY lucky with substats

[crystal flame]

My albedo is at 2k8 def with DEF/GEO/CR so she should be able to get around that with ER/DEF/Def, I need to find the other genshin character builder thing

[viral lotus]

or hmm, maybe husk max stack and yunjin's const can help her get closer to 3k

[viral lotus]

that's not a fair comparison, albedo has 100 higher base defense, and a weapon that gives 69% defense

that weapon alone acts like another sands for DEF%

[crystal flame]

Yeah the weapon is doing a lot

[tardy thunder]

[viral lotus]

I feel like yunjin will be far more lucrative once a proper weapon for her appears.

[tardy thunder]

Triple defense Yunjin can hit 3k defense

[viral lotus]

but then energy is EHHHHH

what's the point of 3k defense if you can't burst every rotation?

[tardy thunder]

Use an Er weapon

[viral lotus]

is that really enough?

[tardy thunder]

She ascends with ER

She’s already at 172 before any subs just from having a starglitter

With KQM standards 2 fixed subs that’s now 183 and you haven’t used any liquid subs yet

Her CR and cdmg don’t matter much at all so you can focus entirely on ER and defense subs

[tardy thunder]

Like who

[crystal flame]

Hum KQM standard puts her at 2419 DEF, with triple DEF

[tardy thunder]

Are you not using husk?

[crystal flame]

I am

[tardy thunder]

4 defense liquid subs and 2 fixed?

I’m getting 2873

[crystal flame]

My bad it's 6 sub then, 4 distrib and 2 fixed so 2240

-2 sub per main stats right

[tardy thunder]

How did you get even lower?

[crystal flame]

in dis

[tardy thunder]

You have 58.3 times three from main stats, 54 from Husk, 20 from C4, 37.2 from subs, about 38 from flat defense fixed subs

That’s around 2870

[crystal flame]

I fucked something before, give me a sec

[tardy thunder]

[crystal flame]

base stat 734, main stats 174.9%, subs 37.2%, husk 30%

[tardy thunder]

Husk is 54

[crystal flame]

2687.174

you have soe flat also?

[tardy thunder]

You have at least 2 flat from fixed subs

[crystal flame]

2 flat atealst from KQM yeah

Yeah best case for def then is ~ 2923 with lucky 10 dis in flat

[tardy thunder]

Accounting for c4?

[crystal flame]

you put in 4?

[tardy thunder]

I only give her the 2 fixed flat def subs

[crystal flame]

hum you I didn't account for any cons

[tardy thunder]

For liquid subs I give her 4 defense percent and however much ER is needed

[sand sluice]

She's going to explode once we get a spear with a def sub

[tardy thunder]

Imagine a spear with defense sub same amount as cinnabar and has an energy refund passive

Or a team buff passive

Give us a 5 star defense scaling polearm user so we can get a defense 5 star polearm

[crystal flame]

Yeah so a Yun Jin with great ER/DEF KQM standard can end up with 2844 DEF, 248 ER if I didn't fatfinger too much

and it's current def so husk should be maxed without issue often

[mental ingot]

Doesn’t she have to deal geo damage off-field to get Husk stacks?

[crystal flame]

it's

When on the field, the character gains 1 stack after hitting an opponent with a Geo attack

When off the field, the character gains 1 stack every 3s

and you only lose stack on field if you don't hit with geo

[compact girder]

No, it's automatic when offfield

[mental ingot]

[modern blaze]

4p HooD is like a reverse SS passive

i wonder, is it worth to build dmg% and crit on her if you swap to her to counter on cooldown or are you better just maxing her burst buff with triple def?

[crystal flame]

Well then dirty math from me says Yun Jin buff is 11.51% better than a 1100 atk buff without accounting for anything else on a NA5 for Yoimiya

[tardy thunder]

Yeah she buffs yoi by more than bennet

Which is why no bennet in my yoi Yunjin team I calced

Yun Jin and Kazuha both do more

Tho we can use bennet as the 4th of a shield isn’t needed

But I’m assuming shield is needed

[mental ingot]

Imagine if the other character buffed better than Bennett.

[crystal flame]

I saw you used N4, probably to go fast and use all 30 stacks, have you looked at vape number on the N5 hit with a XQ? not sure if she could stand for the whole N5 without a shielder but that last hit as vape should be big

instead of a bennett

[white plinth]

where'd you get the impression shenhe doesn't buff better than bennett

[mental ingot]

Shenhe bad!

[vale furnace]

[latent cloud]

ye that's an issue, knowing all of this, it looks like gorou is the better def support for mdps c6 xy if i really wanted to take that route

yunjin's buff comes in as a bonus dmg% buff to normal attacks, and not as an additonal attack proc, right?
outside of just using yunjin as a generic dmg increase character, the only character that can potentially abuse AMP reactions+uses normal attacks a lot is diluc

guess you could use yunjin as an alternative to bennet in your typical diluc/xq/kazuha or sucrose/bennet team

or as a kazuha/sucrose alternative, with 4pc petra yunjin as a standin for 4pc vv

yoimiya overload seems to be more optimal than yoimiya vape regardless of whether yunjin is in it, and kokomi doesnt need a team member to give her more dmg%, with all the hydro% dmg she gets from Q and ascension

i guess ayaka is part of this group as well, though i havent heard of any TC regarding melt ayaka

and yunjin doesnt affect her Q, which i imagine is a good chunk of her dmg

[crystal flame]

That seems highly subjective, you could argue that in high aoe scenario and don't get push back but for Abyss 12 especially the next one, you'd have to prove that with calcs

[latent cloud]

you might be right, i just based my assumption off the fact that people prefer to run her in overload/national(?) than flat vape for that reason

i am interested in what conclusion you come up with though, now that i think about it

[crystal flame]

Diluc could benefit from Yun Jin but a large part of his damage contribution comes from his Es and Q(espacially well placed for AoE) and Bennett buff all of his moves significantly,
Diluc isn't a traditionnal Shimenawa's user which help makes Yun Jin buff shines

But yes he could probably use Yun Jin and make her shines with his infusion he has good multipliers for it, not sure he could use all 30 stack though

[latent cloud]

it's probably fine if he cant use all 30 stacks

it just means that yunjin's buff will have 100% uptime whenever diluc completes his rotation and needs his supports to recast their debuffs/buffs

im interested in looking at yoimiya vape now that u mention it, because if i recall yoi's main weakness was that her AA multipliers were too low for her vape output to be anything special
but if you had a dmg steroid attached to it, maybe vape might be more viable now?

[tardy thunder]

Gorou doesn’t seem to buff her enough to be worth the slot imo

At least, not in pyro Xinyan

Phys might be idk

[latent cloud]

ye i was thinking phys xy since c6 is all about her ca dmg

unless u want to go all the way around and use c6 bennet or somtehing

[tardy thunder]

He buffs her damage a good bit but he doesn’t do much damage himself so he wasn’t worth a slot over a sub dps

[tardy thunder]

That’s what pyro Xinyan is

Main dps Spinyan with c6 bennet

To make her all pyro damage

[latent cloud]

i still have some reservations against pyro xy because it does ignore all her phys related talents, and she cant proc xq while spinning so no vape/national

[tardy thunder]

There’s too much pyro for Xinqiu anyway

The team is Xinyan bennet kazuha and Rosaria or Xianling

You go pure pyro basically

[latent cloud]

o so ur reverse melting rosaria? let's bring this to #・tc-lounge

[tardy thunder]

Part of the benefit of it is you get to actually take advantage of the pyro damage from her E and Q the MVs on those is actually quite high

[latent cloud]

Aloy might find some use out of yunjin, but Aloy kind of has a similar issue as kokomi with having a large amount of dmg% already, esp if you are boosting aloy's attacks with sucrose/kazuha

There's also childe+yunjin but i dont know enough about childe national teams to know if she is competitive enough as a buffer that doesnt buff childe's riptide

---

the only other amp reaction AA dealer i can think of are all nonstandard stuff who use shimenawa and an elemental infusion (chongyun, c6bennet, or innate) to amp their autos

biggest offmeta candidate I can think of is AA Zhongli. Good mvs, triggers geo resonance
lets u go rev vape with bennet/xq
funnily enough this also maxes out lithic spear's liyue requirements, via rev melt Zhongli/Yunjin/Chonyun/Xiangling ||you can even go whackier with 4bs zhongli/yunjin/chongyun/xq )||
no viable forward melt teams for zhongli yet, id imagine his pyro autos (via bennet) apply pyro too quickly to be forward melted by a single offield cryo character

as for the others
vape/melt yanfei relies too heavily on CA for Yunjin's buff to be beneficial. I would imagine Ningguang would have a similar problem with trying to slot her in.
Same goes to mdps barbara. No synergy with clam set too

[sand sluice]

For Childe nat she's competing agaisnt Kazuha.

So yeah

[latent cloud]

stiff competition huh

[sour root]

AA zhongli is actually interesting

especially if each of the multihits triggers a yunjin stack

[latent cloud]

yeah hopefully yunjin's Q doesnt have any weird icds otherwise she'll be super copium as a buffer lul

qiqi also works too i think

i know she's a decent driver but idk how copium her MVs are

[sand sluice]

The AoE hits consuming multiple stacks implies that she doesn't have anything like that I think

[latent cloud]

fair

[rain leaf]

is yunjin worth to put in tao double geo team?

or is hutao too bad of a driver of yunjin?

[latent cloud]

hutao wants to ca more than na

so yunjin's Q doesnt work too well for hutao

[sand sluice]

I'm going to use my Yunjin with HT/XQ/C6 Fischl

imagine calcing this team

[winter steeple]

tf so many treasure hoarders

whoops wrong chat to complain

[timid portal]

[crystal flame]

Hum, is there a weapon better than thundering/Rust to "double dip" on buffing the driver NA and Yun Jin buff being NA damage ?
Solar pearl and black sword both are 20%NA on R1

Shimenawa + rust R5 + gobelet is already a nice 176.6% multiplier on both with yoi

[tardy thunder]

HoD should be good

Since Yun Jin doesn’t give a damn about your attack

There’s also WT for polearms

And serpent spine for claymores

You want as much as CV and dmg bonus as possible with her

[lofty karma]

Also pike for polearms
and compound bow for bows
if you're running phys

(and maybe if not????)

[tardy thunder]

Actually wonder if the dragonspine spear could be better since it gives way more dmg bonus

Or if Tassle is better

[lofty karma]

does it give as many yunjin procs?

[tardy thunder]

Tassle gives more damage bonus and has CV

[tardy thunder]

?

Pike doesn’t increase your Yun Jin procs

It doesn’t have attack speed

How would it get you more procs

[lofty karma]

doesn't the pike damage count as normal atk damage?

[tardy thunder]

No

[lofty karma]

ah

[tardy thunder]

If it did we would be running a team of 4 Pike users lol

[lofty karma]

what kind of damage does it count as then?

[tardy thunder]

Physical

[mental ingot]

Amos.

[compact girder]

im sorry if it's too early to ask but is there already a consensus on what main stats to look for?

[sand sluice]

definitely not def and er

[mental ingot]

With ER substats.

[sand sluice]

There's also the "Bane" series of weapons to boost NA damage.

Pretty sure Serpent Spine's generic % damage also works.

[acoustic abyss]

on the topic of Childe + Yunjin, while I have no expectation of it being meta, I think a better option than Yunjin replacing kazuha/sucrose in national would be a full fledged hypercarry Childe team with Bennet, Kazuha, and Yunjin. Possibly a second geo unit for geo res and to provide energy for yunjin

there isn't any room for her in international, but Childe should be a good driver to get as many procs from her burst as possible considering how he wants to hit multiple units anyway for riptide. Riptide doesn't proc her burst I assume, but grouping enemies with Kazuha then autoing with childe will churn out a lot of burst procs while also hitting big riptide numbers

While Childe is usually a driver, he does have extremely high damage on his own in AoE situations, and I think Yunjin will open up a more selfish childe comp

[tardy thunder]

#・faq message

#・faq message Yun Jin FAQ - give it a read as we have probably answered your questions already

[wanton beacon]

the downtime on that comp sounds horrendous

the reason international works so well is because during childe's downtime you funnel XL

in a childe/kaz/ben/yunjin comp none of the other characters can provide respectable dmg while also retaining their buffs

[acoustic abyss]

sounds like c0 childe haver things

jkjk

[acoustic abyss]

I admit I may be biased with my very lucky Childe C1, so is his downtime too long to cycle your supports skills and get them ready for the next damage rotation?

Maybe swapping one of the damage amplifiers with a unit who takes more field time and can do some damage during downtime, I know dual carry comps are memes, but maybe something like a Sac sword Xingqiu could help

or a C2 Ninnguang

[wanton beacon]

usually childe has 15 seconds of downtime after being in melee stance for 9 seconds. The issue with the comps is that since childe team rotations want around 24 second rotations you usually need to be doing something during that downtime

[wanton beacon]

the issue with dual carry comps is that both carries want the same buffs usually

[acoustic abyss]

Is there a different combination of units that could enable hyper carry childe with Yunjin?

i don't want my main dps childe dreams to die

[wanton beacon]

well the issue with hyper carry childe will always be how different he is to other "hyper carries"

characters like hu tao and ganyu have access to amp reactions

characters like xiao have ridiculous scaling to make up for the lack of amp

[tardy thunder]

How much downtime does he have if in E for 12s?

[acoustic abyss]

I don't necessarily mean hyper carry childe, just a comp based around his own personal damage rather than him as an enabler

i don't expect it to be competitive, but i am curious as to what a comp like that may look like

[wanton beacon]

well that's the thing his own personal scalings aren't some thing to write home about other than his burst

his strength usually comes for hydro app and riptide procs

[tardy thunder]

What’s his E downtime after 12s field time tho?

[wanton beacon]

18 seconds

[tardy thunder]

Wtf

[wanton beacon]

[tardy thunder]

18s cooldown

[acoustic abyss]

still though, what units could fill the downtime best when using childe + yunjin?

[mental ingot]

Just get Childe C4 if you want to run him with Yunjin.

[wanton beacon]

that's the issue we don't have a character that fills it that well

[tardy thunder]

There’s a whole 18s there to be filled

[acoustic abyss]

I have a strong xiangling and bennet team, but I want to see daddy tartaglia his big numbers

[tardy thunder]

Even c1 Kazuha isn’t filling that much

[wanton beacon]

XL works because she needs to be batteried

[mental ingot]

Childe + + Yunjin + Kazuha.

[acoustic abyss]

there we go sub dps ayaka!

[mental ingot]

Or Childe + + Yunjin + Kazuha.

[acoustic abyss]

new meta comp lol

[wanton beacon]

you lose way to much not vaping childe's burst

[mental ingot]

Burst Childe.

[acoustic abyss]

I do have ayaka so I may try this, probably will need an ER sands though

[wanton beacon]

not just burst childe

every build you would go for on childe wants a vaped burst

[mental ingot]

Wawa Childe!

[acoustic abyss]

true though

but yeah I have c1 childe so my plan was to go yunjin-kazuha-bennet

but in retrospect I may do Xingqiu to take a bit more field time

[mental ingot]

Bennett.

[acoustic abyss]

Also if Yunjin needs a battery for some comps C2 ninnguang would fill the downtime

[tardy thunder]

Golden Opera

[mental ingot]

Ning.

[tardy thunder]

Ning Yunjin looks very potent

[acoustic abyss]

using ning as the on field unit i assume?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[mental ingot]

Jades are counted as CA damage, right?

[tardy thunder]

Yes

[mental ingot]

Everytime I use Ning, I'm always thinking about how unoptimal it is to switch out with Lost Prayers.

[tardy thunder]

With Yunjin you want to stay on her for 12s straight

[mental ingot]

Not even full stacks.

Shit weapon!

[tardy thunder]

Yeah it should’ve stayed when you swap

Then it would be broken

[remote nymph]

ngl Yunjin makes me want to roll for yoimiya again

[tardy thunder]

Yeah she makes me want Yoi

I’m prob gonna use Xianling/Kazuha Yunjin team

Still need to calc who’s better on field there

Pretty sure it’s gonna be Kazuha

Black sword Kazuha

[remote nymph]

i got some good crit subs on my DEF artifacts

pray that it goes into crit rate so i can use fav lance on her

crit dmg is fine too

[latent cloud]

i was under the impression that ning requires you to CA

which yunjin doesnt buff

so besides providing geo resonance to ur team, i dont think those two pair together particularly well

[compact girder]

Ning also requires you to NA

[latent cloud]

ye but the optimal combo is some mix of NA and CA isnt it?

sounds like a bit of a waste if you cant do that

alongside her Q not getting boosted

unless you are trying to do something like 4no support ningguang for her jadescreen and ttds to hyperbuff one character, who will be using all the yunjin stacks

[compact girder]

No thats not what we are doing

[latent cloud]

ye

[compact girder]

That is what we are doing

5NNC

[latent cloud]

ninggang yunjin sounds like a bust

[compact girder]

Why

[latent cloud]

no dmg buffs to ca or q

[compact girder]

Uh…bennett and gorou are in the team

[latent cloud]

nah i mean

yunjin does not boost her ca or q

[compact girder]

And?

[latent cloud]

you could probably get more benefits with another buffer

[compact girder]

Thats why bennett and gorou are there

[compact girder]

Like who

[latent cloud]

or a subdps

[compact girder]

Like who

[latent cloud]

anything else would be better i think

[compact girder]

Give me an example

[latent cloud]

any subdps?

literally any?

xd

[compact girder]

Aloy

[latent cloud]

yes pick the worst example

[compact girder]

Im gonna ping noir

[latent cloud]

[compact girder]

@tardy thunder

I dont see how 790k solo dpr is bad tho

[latent cloud]

intuitively i would think it could be better if u drop in another snapshot subdps like xl, since youre already running bennet in that team

[compact girder]

Calc where

[latent cloud]

[compact girder]

Id like to use my xiangling elsewhere though

I dont think yungguang is bad, why would it be bad

[latent cloud]

that's a very good question

[compact girder]

I mean sure better options could exist but like

Its a ning + yun jin team

[latent cloud]

has there been any comparisons done between n5c ningguang with yunjin, vs say, n1c ningguang with an albedo instead of yunjin?

obv also doing things like eqe or w/e the combo is that her jade screen has

[compact girder]

N1C ning is not optimal

Your stamina drains fast

Since the jades actually have to hit to gain a star jade

[latent cloud]

n1c/n2c then

whichever is more comfortable

[compact girder]

N2C

For some reason noone has done albedo/ning calcs

I cant fine any ning team calcs

[latent cloud]

it just seems wrong to bring a unit which only boosts NA and does nothing for her starjades/Q

esp when her MVs themselves are nothing special without her CA

188.16%/s

noelle would be a better candidate for a geo NA character if you want to go down that route

[compact girder]

Yeah but we still use a CA???

[latent cloud]

esp since she can double dip off gorou in that kind of team

yeah but yunjin doesnt buff her CA

[compact girder]

I didnt say we couldnt do a CA

[latent cloud]

which is a problem

[compact girder]

Its not that detrimental

Ning can do maybe 20-22 NAs in 12 seconds

[latent cloud]

not buffing CA and Q dmg sounds detrimental

[hearty thunder]

Will her na string with yunjin be better than the ca variants?

[compact girder]

CA variants?

[latent cloud]

he's asking about n5c with yunjin vs n2c without yunjin

[compact girder]

Ning requires you to use NAs anyways

[compact girder]

What is N5C

[latent cloud]

did u not just suggest n5c

[compact girder]

I did not

I suggested 5 N2Cs in 10 seconds

[latent cloud]

oic

still yunjin not buffing your C in ur n2c sounds p.bad
if my napkin math is right
for n2c
n2 provides 156%
c provides ~382%

so for your n2c string yunjin only buffs 1/3 of it

[compact girder]

Yun jin had a 37% dmg contribution to ning’s personal dmg tho

[sour root]

All that matters is the amount of stacks u can get though

[compact girder]

@compact girder https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WUgFKSUObCClls_qYEWyOTPODg1cB_5fLeK7IejlK5I/edit?usp=sharing ning yunjin updated calcs - havent calced anyones damage other than ning yet dont have the time atm

Here

[sour root]

Its a flat dmg amount, the MV of the trigger attack dont matter that much

[latent cloud]

i just feel you should either put a subdps instead of yunjin in that sort of team or swap out Ningguang entirely for one of the 2 geo dpses which can double dip off gorou

noelle or itto (though idk anything about itto)

[compact girder]

Why itto

Hes even worse than ning

Since he doesnt want to use NAs at all

[latent cloud]

🤷 i'll admit i know nothing about itto atm

[compact girder]

[latent cloud]

but noelle would be a better fit than ningguang?

[compact girder]

Depends

Ning might stretch out in an ST situation

[tardy thunder]

[compact girder]

Yahallo noir

[tardy thunder]

You can replace Gorou with Zhongli if you feel Gorou isn’t being fully utilized

[latent cloud]

that sounds fine, yeah

[tardy thunder]

But Ning is getting 40% cdmg and 15% geo dmg from Gorou

So I don’t see the issue

Ning is prob gonna want him with or without Yun Jin

[latent cloud]

my real issue is how reliant on CA ning is for yunjin to fully benefit that team

not buffing her Q also seems like a detriment to me

[compact girder]

Bennett is there for a reason

[latent cloud]

to the point that you might squeeze out more dmg from having just another subdps instead of a NA only buffer

even if it ruins the gorou 3geo requirement

[tardy thunder]

Nings NA MVs not being a large portion of her damage does not matter tho.

[compact girder]

Or yknow just put albedo

[latent cloud]

ye or albedo

[tardy thunder]

What matters is that she gets a high amount of NA counts

And has high damage bonus and crit

The MVs of the NAs themselves do not matter whatsoever

[latent cloud]

hm ok how about this

im going to suggest something that is potentially extremely stupid

[tardy thunder]

If anything I feel we should replace bennet with albedo

Gorou heals anyway

[latent cloud]

what about sara instead of yunjin in this kind of comp?

double atk buffer

[tardy thunder]

…huh?

[latent cloud]

at least everything in ning's kit gets buffed

if my napkin math is right
for n2c
n2 provides 156%
c provides ~382%
so for your n2c string yunjin only buffs 1/3 of it

[compact girder]

.

[latent cloud]

what about something that benefits 3/3 of her n2c?

[tardy thunder]

Again, the MVs don’t matter

[compact girder]

Why would you put sara

[latent cloud]

i still am not sure why her mvs of her na dont matter

[tardy thunder]

The counts dmg bonus and cv matter

Stop looking at the NA MVs

They could be 0 and it wouldn’t matter

[compact girder]

Because the yun jin buff isnt applied before the NA mv

[tardy thunder]

Think of it how the NA MVs of drivers in Beidou teams don’t matter

Because they are primarily there to drive Beidou procs

[sour root]

Its flat dmg

[tardy thunder]

Because they don’t affect the Yun Jin damage at all

You can check the formula for it in my sheet

[sour root]

1 + 500 or 500+500. In both yunjin contributes 500

[tardy thunder]

@compact girder do you think Zhong built for damage doing a c6 Gorou buffed Q would be decent damage if we replace bennet with him?

[compact girder]

Not quite sure

[tardy thunder]

He might get good microwave damage in since Ning has a construct

Right?

[compact girder]

I think bennett is too good of a stat steroid hmmm

If you can calc it sure, though i think albedo would be better than zhong

[tardy thunder]

I’ll need to calc how much damage Ning loses if we replace bennet with Zhong

[tardy thunder]

Probably - but zhong would give more shred and full up time on geo resonance dmg bonus so more Yun Jin damage would need to see how much less Nings damage would be then compare it to how much personal damage zhong can provide

I think his E might be able to do good damage here since Ning have a construct for him tho

So his personal maybe can make up for it

[compact girder]

Hmmm alright

[tardy thunder]

How many Zhong E pulses are reasonable to assume you think?

[compact girder]

How often does the construct pulse

[tardy thunder]

I don’t have him so I dunno

[compact girder]

I dont have him eitger

[tardy thunder]

I think it’s every second

[compact girder]

When does he deploy his pillar in the rotation

[tardy thunder]

Not sure

Need to figure out the rotation

Maybe: Gorou E>Zhong E Q>Gorou Q>Yunjin E Q>Ning do her thang @compact girder

How’s that sound

[compact girder]

I feel like the Q after the E would be a bit long? Prolly move it to after ning ?

Not sure

Anyone have zl here

[tardy thunder]

Tryna make sure he gets Gorou buff

[latent cloud]

her MVs 'dont matter' if all your care about is ensuring yunjin's procs happen

but does it not matter in terms of party output, which is the whole point of running buffers to augment Ning's dmg?
is the 2634 yunjin dmg crit (or however much she outputs when geo shred is active) during her NAs more valuable than providing an additional multiplier (additive/multiplicative) to her total dmg output, in a 20-30s context?

does it outperform something like an albedo who can do 20k++ w/o access to gorou buffs, every 3 seconds?

20k is a bit of a lowball for an albedo with cinnabar but i havent properly looked at how the other albedo users are getting 40k++ per hit

[tardy thunder]

Anyone used in place of her needs to be doing more than 211k damage per rotation

More than that if I replace bennet with zhong

[latent cloud]

how long are these rotations?

:0

[tardy thunder]

20s

Gonna calc how much her dmg change if Bennet is replaced

[latent cloud]

🤔

[tardy thunder]

@compact girder Nings damage went down by 19% by replacing bennet with zhong - tho I also haven’t changed Nings set, which I can now change to Bolide not sure if that will be a significant increase over husk tho

Zhong personal damage needs to be at 147k to make up for the damage lost on Ning

Yunjin Q accounting for 245k DPR now

Would be more with bolide instead of husk ofc

[compact girder]

HMMMMM

[tardy thunder]

Ill calc his damage later ig

[lofty karma]

you could also get full geo res uptime with c6 fischl

[tardy thunder]

Ya imma calc her instead of bennet too

[sand sluice]

So who's buffmaxing Noelle with Benny and Yunjin?

[modern blaze]

hyper noelle with benny yunjin and gorou

[white plinth]

3 supports that all have antisynergy with each other

[compact girder]

What antisynergy

[white plinth]

yunjin damage doesn't scale with either of the other two buffs

[compact girder]

Huh

She scales off def

Bennett is there for noelle

[mental ingot]

Gorou buffs DEF.

[tardy thunder]

You wanna explain that?

Gorou buffs Noelle and Yunjin bennet and Yun Jin buff Noelle. Bennet gives Yun Jin and Gorou an element to crystallize

There is no anti synergy anywhere there

[lofty karma]

yunjin damage scales with gorou tho

realistically though, you probably want noelle gorou yunjin/albedo + off element like rosaria or fischl

[white plinth]

realistically you wouldn't want atk/def buffs on someone who already has 4k+ converted atk

yunjin is fine because geo resonance helps

[lofty karma]

gorou buffs geo damage and crit as well

[white plinth]

it's just a really bad use of bennett

[lofty karma]

but yeah, bennett is a nogo

noelle should be hitting 5k+ attack
another 1k is nothing

[compact girder]

Put rosaria

Maybe fischl

[lofty karma]

rosaria best cryo breaker
fischl best electro breaker
unironically xinyan for pyro

hydro is kinda whatever

[remote nymph]

Noelle gonna be doing big numbers

[radiant wagon]

any qiqi yunjin calcs?

[tardy thunder]

False

Noelle has always still appreciated bennet

Despite her high attack

[tardy thunder]

Yes

I was very sad at the result

[radiant wagon]

ah, does it not beat bubble qiqi or is it just underwhelming dpr

[acoustic abyss]

am also curious on this

[tardy thunder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_zFlpxpmUSKXn1FEUu9E7QHrMOONyszY-Oyv1cV--ro/edit @radiant wagon

[acoustic abyss]

So is 360,000 damage between them considered underwhelming? I dont have a frame of reference or comparison for how much damage that is

And thank you for the doc, is much appreciated

[tardy thunder]

It might be good if Rosaria and fischl are doing a lot of damage too

Idk

Haven’t calced the full team yet

I was just expecting more so was a bit disappointed

[acoustic abyss]

Sounds like yunjin will make the qiqi mains very happy

[tardy thunder]

I should calc it with Aquila too

And black sword

And jade cutter

I’ll calc the full team rn

I’m very behind in my calcs

[acoustic abyss]

Lots of characters coming out, thanks for working hard

I shall conquer abyss with my aquila qiqi

[tardy thunder]

I might also calc Qiqi chongyun Yunjin Xinqiu

Cryo Qiqi

4 BS plus HoD

[acoustic abyss]

Not cope

That does sound fun

Maybe blizzard strayer is cracked enough to be a good qiqi buff with yunjin

[tardy thunder]

Maybe we don’t need chong

Just use physical Qiqi with BS

Wait nah nvm

I’m on crack

[mental ingot]

[tardy thunder]

The phys Qiqi Yunjin team looking cope even with fischl and Rosaria damage added in

[compact girder]

Hello anything new

[tardy thunder]

Time to calc cryo Qiqi

[acoustic abyss]

Cope compared to what?

[tardy thunder]

The other Yun Jin teams I’ve calced

This one is only at 568k team damage on a 20s rotation

Fischls personal damage was higher than that on the physical fischl Yunjin team I calced

[compact girder]

[tardy thunder]

Gotta see if cryo Qiqi can salvage Qiqi Yunjin

[acoustic abyss]

Ah I see

[tardy thunder]

It would help a lot if Qiqi didn’t need Rosaria to proc SC every rotation

Guess I could give the phys build sac sword

[compact girder]

Cryoqi

Hmmmm

[tardy thunder]

But at that point just replace Yun Jin and go back to taser

[compact girder]

Would shen work for cryoqi

Or would vv be better

[tardy thunder]

No room

There’s no room to change any slots at alll there

It has to be Qiqi chongyun Xinqiu Yun Jin

[compact girder]

Qiqi Chongyun Yun jin and who?

[tardy thunder]

If we want to do cryo Qiqi with Yunjin

[compact girder]

Ohhh xingqiu

[tardy thunder]

Unless you think the freeze is overkill

Which it could be idk

Hmm maybe we can use Shenhe or Kazuha instead of Xinqiu

She can hit 100 CR even without freeze easily

I’ll do Kazuha cuz I’ve never done Shenhe math

Hmm chongyun can make this team a 13 second rotation if the field times and energy work out

[radiant wagon]

yeah xingqiu might be replacable, qiqi's healing should make the team comfy enough without freeze anyway

[compact girder]

Shenhe basically the same with yun jin stacks

[tardy thunder]

i give up on YunQi

somehow i got less Qiqi dmg on the cryo build

than the phys

[tardy thunder]

@lofty karma finally got around to crunching numbers for on field kazuha in the xianling yun jin team

its definitely better than xianling on field if i didnt fuck up

looks extremely promising

[lofty karma]

now the question becomes

is there a better unit than xianling?

probably not

[tardy thunder]

i dont know how there would be

shes doing over 300k damage and buffing

[lofty karma]

what sword do you have on kaz btw?

[tardy thunder]

r3 black sword

[lofty karma]

how does it look with PJC?

[tardy thunder]

havent calced

but mist would be way better than pjc i would think

[lofty karma]

and EDC?

[tardy thunder]

cuz dmg bonus>atk here

[tardy thunder]

yup

[lofty karma]

or EEC?

[tardy thunder]

hang on let me get you the link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M-Ibea9q0ZliEriOYce3m80HfSm6pMapFWmwAZb5e0k/edit?usp=sharing @lofty karma

like the name btw?

Infernal Opera

havent calced full-full team dps yet

[lofty karma]

also got a c6 kaz whale on board from another discord
for if we need footage from that

[tardy thunder]

theres still bennet personal damage and yun jin personal damage

[tardy thunder]

team is at 45k damage per target without counting bennet and yun jin personal damage tho

[lofty karma]

he's the kind of whale to r5 PJC

[tardy thunder]

and a large portion of that is aoe

[lofty karma]

and honestly
r5 pjc is about as big of a whale flex as you can get in this game

[tardy thunder]

especially if it was before epitome

[lofty karma]

he got it back in 1.3