I'm pretty sure Aloy's one of the faster bow users.
#Yunjin Thread
balmy remnant
@tardy thunder that's better, but still not perfect
*and are, i fixed it already but eh sending the same screenshot
faint hornet
It's apparently 30 frames for her N1 (which is ofc 2 hits).
Only a few frames slower than Yoimiya's.
modern blaze
so aloy is a good yunjin driver then? 
is it possible to trigger her cryo conversion passive reliably? maybe there is a weird rainbow freeze comp you can build with her + mona, anemo VV and yunjin AP/HooD
tardy thunder
is it possible to trigger her cryo conversion passive reliably? maybe there is a...
It’s really consistent in AoE is my finding
Single target is a bit inconsistent unless I’m doing it wrong
modern blaze
maybe jean to use E to gather the bombs and also have the healer role covered
tardy thunder
It works with Kazuha if you do Kazuha E before Aloy E
But it feel inconsistent unless AoE 
modern blaze
huh so you use the little mini vortex to group the bombs?
i'm almost certain jean hold E should work with her bombs, i've seen it used with klee's mines before
the only issue is aloy's 0.1s ICD
tardy thunder
huh so you use the little mini vortex to group the bombs?
Yes
If you do it with Kazuha cast E grouping they will all explode at same time
And screw you over because of the icd
They explode closer to one by one with the vortex
Anemo traveler E also seems to pretty well
modern blaze
jean's hold E is kinda slow? maybe it works? i dunno
tardy thunder
Haven’t tried Jean
tardy thunder
jean's hold E is kinda slow? maybe it works? i dunno <:A_smolhutao:7950819339806...
Maybe 
visual quest
Im not very active rn
vestal cipher
Have you calced raiden energy contribution in noelle yunjin team instead of fischl?
vestal cipher
How would aloy or fischl trigger yunjin buff without dealing geo damage?
compact girder
How would aloy or fischl trigger yunjin buff without dealing geo damage?
Huh
She doesnt need geo dmg for it to trigger
vestal cipher
Right, don't know why i thought that
tawny spoke
when Razor, Yunjin, cryo and another free slot calc
compact karma
By chance has anyone calc'd the best yoi wep if ur running yunjin with her? 
Curious cuz a 5 star bow like Amos is typically better than R1 Rust, but since Yunjin's adding more dmg, perhaps Rust's % bonus passive can over take some 5 star weps maybe?
sand sluice
I'm guessing since Normal Attack Damage is required Raiden doesn't work right?
radiant wagon
nope raiden shouldnt work
lofty karma
By chance has anyone calc'd the best yoi wep if ur running yunjin with her? <:A_...
same as before
pulse>rust~slingshot
lofty karma
I'm guessing since Normal Attack Damage is required Raiden doesn't work right?
traditional raiden builds are not great
EM raiden is usable tho if you lack albedo
outer echo
Am I missing something or why so many people are trying to make yunjin's burst work with archers when they exclusively hit only 1 target? you only got 10 seconds to proc 30 stacks and doing so with aoe hitting units sounds much more reasonable, especially when if you do it fast enough you can change to another character and proc stacks on them too.
Getting more stacks procced sounds easier and stronger than just getting a bit more normal attack dmg% on lower amount of stacks.
For example ning with c1 could proc 4 stacks per normal attack when hitting 2 targets and 6 stacks per normal attack for 3 targets etc. or is that not how it works?
lofty karma
Am I missing something or why so many people are trying to make yunjin's burst w...
archers are the only non AOE attack units that can max out stacks, aside from pike abuse
we don't know exactly how AOE works with yunjin so until we do, we're refraining from doing any calcs there
it also helps that yoi/fischl just are some of the best drivers in general
outer echo
archers are the only non AOE attack units that can max out stacks, aside from pi...
I said similar thing a few days ago about shenhe but reading the description it actually specifically talks about that; different characters having stacks separately and how aoe dmg will consume stacks according to the number of opponents hits, and how the triggering effect is "normal attack dmg"
faint hornet
I said similar thing a few days ago about shenhe but reading the description it ...
The issue is that we're thinking maybe AoE normal attacks (like Noelle's for instance) that can hit several opponents at once, will still only proc the buff once per attack, even if multiple stacks are consumed. With archers, a few of them are fast enough that with enough skill, you could get 30 actual hits before the stacks expire.
Meaning you're maximizing the benefits of the buff.
faint hornet
Right, don't know why i thought that
You're probably thinking of Gorou's C6.
outer echo
The issue is that we're thinking maybe AoE normal attacks (like Noelle's for ins...
That honestly sounds like the opposite of copium tbh; why would they word it/make is so that hitting multiple enemies will remove more stacks but still only deal damage to one enemy? I personally find that extremely hard to believe; but I guess until full release we wont know 100%
vestal cipher
The description is rather clear on when stacks are removed
lofty karma
the description is clear on what removes stacks
but not what deals damage
compact girder
If that were the case, why have stacks in the first place, why not just have an ICD or mention it can only trigger once per swing like Noelle's A4.
Stacks are like the immensely obvious way to keep it wrong going out of hand in AoE scenarios, why even bother adding them if it's gonna work like that. All that would accomplish for mhy is generating mistrust.
outer echo
From the way its worded (which like @vestal cipher mentioned is fairly clear) I cant think of a better driver than a c1 ning for her; 2 attacks per enemy hit with fairly easy animation canceling, proccing 30 stacks on a single enemy the fastest, and becoming MUCH faster in aoe situations allowing to switch character and proc stacks on them too. idk about full team comp cuz thats much more thinking to do; but Im just speaking from my personal usage of ning.
Like others mentioned, if there was some icd or something it would very likely be mentioned like how Beidou's burst is worded as "1 trigger per second" or something. Theres absolutely no reason for them to mention how more stacks are consumed in aoe but it actually not dealing the damage lol.
lofty karma
stacks also keep it from going out of hand with ARCC cancels
or pike
or fischl c1
lofty karma
From the way its worded (which like <@!150683492496179200> mentioned is fairly c...
ning is one of the best drivers for her yes
solves her teams energy issues
fast animations
benefits from geo res
but unlike ayaka or yoimiya, she can't get ridiculous levels of dmg%/CV to use as multipliers
outer echo
ning is one of the best drivers for her yes
solves her teams energy issues
fast ...
maybe but like I said triggering the entire 30 stacks before the duration ends and allowing for another character to be used to trigger more stacks sounds much easier/stronger than just a few more %dmg on archers; obviously more looking into it be needed but still, getting for example vs 2/3 enemies the full stacks in just 8/6 normal attacks you can animation cancel and switching sounds better than barely doing full stacks for the whole duration. (just from maximizing yunjin's damage to the team obviously, not the full team damage)
lofty karma
maybe but like I said triggering the entire 30 stacks before the duration ends a...
unlike shenhe
yunjin isn't stacks/char
wait
nvm
outer echo
Yeah, like I said at the beginning thats what I though about both of them, then read the full description again and was corrected
lofty karma
also if you want fastest stack clear
physchl can hit 30 stacks in 6s
because for some reason
c1 also triggers
outer echo
because for some reason
c1 also triggers
how are you so sure about that but not aoe from attacks?
faint hornet
Because it's easy to test what counts as a normal attack.
vestal cipher
Nings C1 makes her NA also AoE so she should be able to expend very quickly in closely packed mobs
sour root
maybe but like I said triggering the entire 30 stacks before the duration ends a...
I mean it sounds good. But that’s exactly it. How many normal attackers can really abuse this.
I was also thinking along the lines of just weaving n1,n2 into normal rotations
outer echo
I mean it sounds good. But that’s exactly it. How many normal attackers can real...
Im not entirely sure; Im not sure if trying to maximize it more than one character would even be worth it; Im just bringing it up because when I tried to scroll here and reading posts/comments on reddit people seemed to be talking exclusively about yunjin + archer when it sounds to me like its ignoring the very specific wording of how it acts in aoe and how it could function much better (from yunjin's own dmg contribution) with character that actually hit in aoe with their normal attacks especially with such a short duration to utilize those stacks.
Especially from personally using ning and how it sounds like yunjin could help her quite a bit, in single enemy would just dump 30 stacks on 1 enemy, and in aoe where she struggles a bit help her super quickly dump 30 stacks; probably need to think a bit more about functional teams for that though
compact girder
Poor Ning, everything she gets has caveats 
outer echo
Poor Ning, everything she gets has caveats <:A_HuCry:791398917869928496>
Gorou being the "designated geo support" but works basically just for def users is blasphemy
sour root
Yea i think the normal attack and aspd is what automatically directs the eyes toward bow users
compact girder
I do wonder if these new def-scaling geo characters are part of a new direction for geo or if it's just a coincidence.
sour root
It would be nice if it wasnt just geo
compact girder
Geo constructs seem pretty neglected too.
lofty karma
Yea i think the normal attack and aspd is what automatically directs the eyes to...
it's more that bows and polearms are basically the only units with multi hits with decent animation time
modern blaze
Geo constructs seem pretty neglected too.
my microwave 
sour root
I think a healthy cast of def scalers give other supports aside from bennett more shine
I hope they continue it
modern blaze
imo yunjin's burst duration is too short to abuse it with multiple characters, even if you have aoe attackers that can consume multiple stacks at once
even noelle takes her sweet time unless she's fighting something like 5 enemies at once
compact girder
It's is just that it's more fun to TC bows? Noelle dumping all 30 stacks into 3 o 4 targets isn't all that interesting compared to figuring out what Yoi or Fischl can do.
sour root
Between this and shenhe. Im actually wondering if we should be expecting more coop content soon
Because thats where the scaling starts to shine
compact girder
120 stacks 
outer echo
imo yunjin's burst duration is too short to abuse it with multiple characters, e...
like I mentioned specifically for ning, each normal attack is 2 hits, and with c1 which cause aoe. each enemy added multiplies it, so 2 enemies you need 8 (7.5) normal attacks, 3 enemies and its just 6 normal attacks which is extremely fast (less than half duration) and so on
modern blaze
assuming it works with her c1
and that you can group the enemies (which should be fine with venti i think?)
but i'm not a ning main so i don't really know 
is her c1 splash damage considered NA damage?
outer echo
it just makes her normal attack deal aoe damage, the numbers are exactly the same for all enemies hit
faint hornet
I do wonder if these new def-scaling geo characters are part of a new direction ...
I mean, we're going from 4 Geo characters (excluding GMC) to 7. And from 2 DEF Geo to 5 at the same time.
That's 5/7.
Which is also what I'd rate Genshin.
compact girder
lol
faint hornet
Solid 5/7.
modern blaze
it just makes her normal attack deal aoe damage, the numbers are exactly the sam...
do you have any artifact set effect or weapon with NA dmg% bonus to confirm that?
faint hornet
Yeah, is there another buff that works like Yun Jin's?
compact girder
NA% bonus you mean?
modern blaze
but anyways, assuming it works then i can see ning being a very good aoe driver
i remember noir did some TCing here before without considering c1 and it looked fine
it's just that trying to use the burst on 2 characters seems not worth it
compact girder
Freedom-Sworn iirc
faint hornet
Oh.
modern blaze
albedo's new sword
faint hornet
Redhorn will work that way.
lofty karma
Yeah, is there another buff that works like Yun Jin's?
cinnibar
redhorn
shenhe
sort of
outer echo
but anyways, assuming it works then i can see ning being a very good aoe driver
...
bolide; and can you link me those calcs to look at?
modern blaze
bolide; and can you link me those calcs to look at?
it should be this i think? #913132027371483226 message
sour root
Does anyone have an albedo comparison?
Im thinking in context of n2c hutao as a replacement for one of the geo bros
faint hornet
Yun Jin on Tao? But Tao relies on charged attacks to proc vapes consistently.
tardy thunder
Yun Jin on Tao? But Tao relies on charged attacks to proc vapes consistently.
I think the idea is she does N3C with Yunjin
Instead of N1C
faint hornet
Hm. What would the full comp be?
Tao Xinqiu Zhongli Yun Jin?
Hm, wait. That's not good either, 'cause you want Albedo for the EM buff...
But if you're going double geo, you want a consistent shield.
And if you're going vv, you need a pyro enabler. If you're doing vapemelt, you need two cryo.
Is this just pp except Yun Jin instead of Bennett?
tardy thunder
Hm. What would the full comp be?
I think Atilla said Hu Tao Xinqiu chongyun Yunjin
tardy thunder
Same thing he always does in Hu Tao team - make rotations better and faster
radiant wagon
does he hold noblese or something like instructors on that team
tawny spoke
Yes
Mostly NO
If u want to smoothen the tao rots
But basically u can opt not to bring shit on him anyway
lofty karma
Ideally he uses WGS or fav GS
sand sluice
She's going to be much stronger once we get someone who can do NA damage off-field.
lofty karma
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792147187076694057/913115948121219083/unknown.png
reposting jrm spirits calcs to help see what needed CR is for favlance
Eqn2 or En2Q might be acceptable
at r1 ENQ would need 100% crit for 95% chance at proc. 87.8% at En2Q
R2 90.22%/75.3
R3 78.9/65.9
R4 70.1/58.5
R5 63.1/52.7
all assuming single target
for 2 target
R1 75.1/65.5
R2 64.3/56.1
R3 56.3/49.1
R4 50.0/43.6
R5 45.07/39.3
so with favlance question now becomes
what's the breakpoint where crit% hat becomes worth more than ER sands
one last calc for EQ
R1 87.8
R2 75.3
R3 65.8
R4 58.5
R5 52.7
for 2 target
R1 no
R2 no
R3 97.3
R4 86.2
R5 77.6
more just to show that En2q is at least acceptable framewise
might be faster
but we sure know it won't be slower
can get to 60 crit with crit hat ER weapon and KQM subs
@tardy thunder I think we got ourselves a reason to not cast albedo ult too
to En2Q with yunjin
unless we still have spare time in 18s rotation to just kinda do stuff
Also gonna want to see on release if nenq is faster
This team in particular looks interesting
tardy thunder
This team in particular looks interesting
Traveler?
lofty karma
edited traveler to match yunjin
balmy remnant
if i put her on press it goes down
but i still don't know where our differences are smh
if i remove favbow fischl it tanks 
lofty karma
@balmy remnant redid it with ZL and got same number
I think it's a formula that got missed because you added another line
just edit an existing geo char you won't use
lofty karma
also for the physchl build
we're using mitternacht waltz right?
balmy remnant
this would be hold withour favbow fischl
can i see this part of your calculator?
balmy remnant
how's your energy per second from fischl C6 so high
why's my fischl's turret uptime per burst only 18
lofty karma
did you pick fischl c6?
balmy remnant
yeah
looking at that cell's function, it's copying the value in the "time between burst uses"
balmy remnant
no
now we're in favlance calc hell
why is your fischl's oz lasting longer than the time between her bursts?
balmy remnant
that scuffs fisch's er requirements a bit
balmy remnant
i do have fischl c6 selected
compact girder
I play ning so is no problemo for me
balmy remnant
but since the time between her bursts is 18 seconds, oz only lasts 18 seconds max, which makes sense
balmy remnant
there we go
now it matches mine
bruh i was looking through most of the cells and just trying to understand what i messed up
lofty karma
I guess I have an earlier version that doesn't have a note to cap turret uptime at rotation burst
balmy remnant
yeah you still have some cells that in my version are hidden
but now
200% er yunjin
lofty karma
put fav back on kaz
fischl should be able to pick up ER weapon + EM/EM/EM and pick up subs for ER
or EM + EM/ER/EM
or if 
elegy and EM/EM/EM to have your cake and eat it too
balmy remnant
lofty karma
and get 700 EM fischl possibly 1k with godroll flowers/sands c2 kaz and r5 elegy
balmy remnant
alpine mauve
or if <a:Whale:585649910561505293> elegy and EM/EM/EM to have your cake and eat ...
elegy fischl, i am intrigued
lofty karma
now ofc
this is almost certainly worse than running albedo without elegy
and with elegy anyways gorou albedo may be better with albedo c2
versed owl
hot bane
Has anyone looked into yun jin and keq?
Yun Jin doesn't seem worth for any char that isn't Yoi or Noelle
imo
Buff scaling too low
Shenhe C6 otoh
...
compact girder
Yun Jin doesn't seem worth for any char that isn't Yoi or Noelle
I really dont think so tbh
Noir has that pyroling thing
And ning seems to fair well with her
grizzled schooner
How good is yunjin with phys chars?
gilded pine
as good as other char 
gilded pine
Yun Jin doesn't seem worth for any char that isn't Yoi or Noelle
keqing spam n4 + yunjin cant beat keqing n1c?
hot bane
keqing spam n4 + yunjin cant beat keqing n1c?
I haven't done nor seen calcs for that, but I doubt it
Especially if considering who you might replace her with
in terms of team damaage
vestal cipher
didnt main dps ningguang + yinjun also get good numbers?
grizzled schooner
as good as other char <:keksweat:874582388657750026>
I meant is she good with phys chars?
And has anyone done calcs for her and eula?
tardy thunder
I meant is she good with phys chars?
And has anyone done calcs for her and eula?
Seems really good for physical fischl and Pikeli
I’ll calc Pike Xianling eventually too
Could also probably use a physical Aloy if that’s up your alley
viral lotus
Could also probably use a physical Aloy if that’s up your alley
suggesting to lvl up aloy, you scare me 
jokes aside
tardy thunder
suggesting to lvl up aloy, you scare me <:A_HuMonkaSCross:807820866775023636>
I was TCing cryo freeze Aloy Yunjin too yesterday
viral lotus
seems like yunjin just about helps any fast autoattacker 
but i'm more curious about multitarget sweeps like noelle
tardy thunder
but i'm more curious about multitarget sweeps like noelle
Same
Just don’t know how she works with AoE yet
Should calc under both assumptions
So we have an idea
viral lotus
the text implies it works with noelle hitting multiple targets
tardy thunder
the text implies it works with noelle hitting multiple targets
One assumption is she just loses stacks for each enemy hit but only gets the damage of one stack
Other is she consumes stacks for each enemy hit and gets the damage of stack x amount of enemies
viral lotus
i think yunjin noelle on a single target will be pretty sad, but as a team made for a specific floor with many targets, it sounds like a lot of fun
tardy thunder
I’m inclined to believe the ladder
Because hopium
And it working the former is just bad for no reason
viral lotus
there's no reason for them to remove stacks if they won't add to the damage
tardy thunder
i think yunjin noelle on a single target will be pretty sad, but as a team made ...
Noelle is a monster in AoE anyway
viral lotus
i hope
tardy thunder
So enhancing her AoE powe even more
Is a very good thing
Do we know how many NAs Noelle does in Yunjin window?
I always forget
tardy thunder
Need to figure out what the rotation would be for a team of like Noelle Yunjin Gorou albedo maybe
viral lotus
Do we know how many NAs Noelle does in Yunjin window?
i'm too lazy to scroll up to get the noelle attack frames
modern blaze
should be able to get ~12 iirc, maybe more if you save her shield to do a quick n3 cancel
wise pagoda
if yunjin make zhongly carry team damage smiliar to bennetless xiao
im gonna have a reason to enter noblesse domain because the bloodstain not gonna get wasted
wintry spindle
Just dropping it here, but I'd say a Yunjin driver that may be overlooked is Ningguang with Normal attacks (with C1). With Yunjin buff, a Ningguang with only normal attacks should have a significantly higher dps than a charge attack Ning, andher whole DPS becomes AoE. Will that be top meta? no. Will that work well, probably. I believe she checks the most cases when looking at what a Yunjin driver wants (multiple procs, fast attacks, range, unmissable, AoE with C1, high DMG%, built with Crit weapon, low reliance on ER)
also, having a parry with a non egoist range DPS is sooo apreciable
wise pagoda
Just dropping it here, but I'd say a Yunjin driver that may be overlooked is Nin...
well the only thing i like about this is the fact ningguang can battery her
tardy thunder
Just dropping it here, but I'd say a Yunjin driver that may be overlooked is Nin...
Oh don’t worry Ning isn’t being overlooked
I calced that already
Two different Ning Yunjin teams
Before accounting for any AoE shenanigans with c1 she’s already getting 20 Yunjin stacks
crystal flame
i think yunjin noelle on a single target will be pretty sad, but as a team made ...
Hum, thinking about it it definitely won't be the best ST because Gorou - Albedo - Noelle - flex ( if you are considering Noelle teams) is going to be ridiculous.
But Yun Jin could be a pretty good alternative to Albedo and maybe straight up better for AoE situation
tardy thunder
It looks really good on paper
Yeah for AoE and as an albedo alternative she looks really good
Possibly
I can’t say for sure since I haven’t calced it
But by being claymore Noelle already has advantage of r5 spine
Which is excellent for Yunjin
55 CV and 50% dmg bonus
High cv high damage bonus
The two things yun Jin wants
crystal flame
And the 15% geo from gorou E in this team
tardy thunder
And the 15% geo from gorou E in this team
And 40% cdmg
If c6
Do y’all think the team would be Noelle Gorou Yunjin albedo?
Or maybe bennet/fischl instead of albedo?
modern blaze
yep
mono geo def scalers
tardy thunder
mental ingot
HP/DEF split scaling bad. 
tardy thunder
HP/DEF split scaling bad. <:PaimonAngry_Milkman:766139105268334643>
?
modern blaze
but tbh if you're doing mono geo yunjin is competing directly with ZL's geo VV
mental ingot
vestal cipher
Or maybe bennet/fischl instead of albedo?
albedo is easily swapped with any elemental subdps that doesnt have too many energy issues
fischl also procs her passives every crystalize since she is the only aura which seems very strong to me
tardy thunder
So fischl would prob be fine
wintry spindle
You can go for that, but Yunjin Gorou wont synergize well with each other, just saying. Yunjuin wont snapshot his buff on her ult
tardy thunder
Prob less damage considerably
modern blaze
i know yunjin is slightly better than ZL for noelle, but i'm not sure if that advantage is good enough to compensate for albedo's dmg loss from no ZL VV
tardy thunder
But a fine alternative
vestal cipher
You can go for that, but Yunjin Gorou wont synergize well with each other, just ...
they last long enough
crystal flame
Albedo is crazy crazy, with Gorou he'll do 30-40k blossom with okay artifacts, no other 3rd or 4th spot is going to provide 20~k DPS
vestal cipher
Albedo is crazy crazy, with Gorou he'll do 30-40k blossom with okay artifacts, n...
30k-40k is crit damage, not average
crystal flame
if someone has albedo he is playing it in this setup
mental ingot
Crits were easy in the days of the HoD. 
crystal flame
Yeah but I didn't count his burst
vestal cipher
albedo's burst doesnt deal that much damage for the time it takes to cast
mental ingot
C2 burst deals decent damage.
vestal cipher
sure, if you have it
modern blaze
and the EM buff doesn't matter in monogeo 
not sure if this comp will have downtime where casting albedo burst is kinda ok as filler
crystal flame
Let's say 12k DPS at the bare minimum, Gorou and Yun Jin benefit 0 from bennett
vestal cipher
according to my calcs (60/120 crit, 25% def substats, def/geo/crit artis, HoOD, spindle), albedo gets average ~25k hits, which is ~12.5k dps if you hit perfectly at the 2s mark, so prob a bit less (e.g. closer to ~10k dps). fischl gets close
mental ingot
Albedo is better battery for the team than Fischl, no?
modern blaze
probably
geo particles have more value than electro
vestal cipher
albedo is average 1 geo particle per 4 sec or so?
i dont know fischl's rate
fischl is like 1 every 2 sec or so, give or take
mental ingot
Geo so 3 per 4 for Albedo, then.
modern blaze
according to this
albedo is 20 particle/min
fischl is 28.8-35 depending on c6 or not
vestal cipher
why are the notes in the middle 😑
crystal flame
same element is 3 times better than off element
vestal cipher
yeah so albedo 2x-ish as good as fischl
modern blaze
yep
and also does good damage
tardy thunder
Albedo does metric tons of damage with Gorou
vestal cipher
yeah but with fischl you have crystalize for perma shield
tardy thunder
It’s scary
modern blaze
the only reason you would drop albedo is to bring a elemental shield breaker imo
viral lotus
yunjin is going to be energy hungry, so that's a very welcomed energy generation to the team
vestal cipher
Albedo does metric tons of damage with Gorou
yeah its not mind blowing tho, 10-12k dps
mental ingot
Albedo E gets eaten by the majority of boss hitboxes, though.
tardy thunder
yeah but with fischl you have crystalize for perma shield
You do, but I’m not sure if the extra shield time matters
viral lotus
yeah but with fischl you have crystalize for perma shield
do you really need it with noelle as the main attacker?
tardy thunder
yeah its not mind blowing tho, 10-12k dps
He should be doing like 300k DPR
With Gorou
vestal cipher
do you really need it with noelle as the main attacker?
geo resonance
tardy thunder
That’s 25k dps
tardy thunder
geo resonance
The res shred lasts 15 seconds
You’d only lose some up time on the 15% dmg bonus
modern blaze
assuming yunjin E works like beidou E, it's more than enough to get geo resonance shred started and then once you start rolling with noelle it's not an issue anymore
tardy thunder
There’s no way that’s better
vestal cipher
That’s 25k dps
i calced an average 25k per isotoma with normal-ish stats (see above)
tardy thunder
The res shred lasts like 15 seconds and Yunjin E can trigger it
viral lotus
yunjin's burst only last 10 seconds, noelle can last longer depend on how many mobs she killed, but i don't see many situations where you'd start noelle's rotation without her shield being ready.
vestal cipher
The res shred lasts like 15 seconds and Yunjin E can trigger it
this does assume her damage hits while shielded right?
tardy thunder
this does assume her damage hits while shielded right?
Yes
Assuming it works like beidou
Beidou E triggers it
vestal cipher
ooh interesting, good to know
modern blaze
only hold E iirc
crystal flame
I replayed my Albedo with Husk and Cinnabar, I really can't believe they are releasing Gorou that will buff him, it's crazy the increase in power level we got (those playing those characters atleast) in those few patches
I used to play Albedo - Mona - Fischl -Noelle for 36* since like 1.6
This patch ZL - Albedo - Fischl - Noelle is like twice as strong as it was, Gorou in addition will make any abyss without monsters with like 80% geo res trivial for me
modern blaze
i'm not sure, when i tested it i had to hold for a little bit to get reliable results
mental ingot
Imagine already having 4P Husk for Albedo.
vestal cipher
Both make a shield
the press ability description of beidou doesnt mention a shield though
vestal cipher
He should be doing like 300k DPR
how many isotoma is this
mental ingot
And is that C2?
crystal flame
pretty sure that's a C0
mental ingot
vestal cipher
let me retarget this discussion: does yunjin add more dps to noelle than a fischl would contribute? 
noelle being a DEF converter means she has a big number on top of which the yunjin buff goes
solid delta
how much stack can yoi consume from yunjin's burst ?
mental ingot
Noelle being a DEF converter means Yunjin's buff is relatively less value compared to someone else who is a big MV dumper.
Consider Yunjin addition being a flat value, she favors faster hits and high crit/DMG% boosters.
modern blaze
yunjin definitely adds more than ZL's geo VV 
but i'm not sure about fischl
mental ingot
If Yunjin's Q applies before Yoimiya's E, she would be insane.
modern blaze
faster hits or big aoe hits
mental ingot
Very few characters have big AoE normal attacks.
But yeh, I suppose if you wanna run Noelle Yunjin for the AoE mobbing.
modern blaze
noelle is one of them 
crystal flame
let me retarget this discussion: does yunjin add more dps to noelle than a fisch...
For a 3k def Yun Jin she'd make my NA hit with noelle do 5400~ more so in multi target Fischl would need to do more than 162k+ to be better and in ST probably 50~65k+ more
per rotation
tardy thunder
yunjin definitely adds more than ZL's geo VV <:A_HuPeek:807838175359008788>
but...
I can’t imagine her possibly adding less than an unbuffed fischl
Buffed Yunjin v unbuffed fischl
modern blaze
i dunno i have never calc'd fischl
maybe i'm overestimating her?
her A4 procs very often in geo comps
but fischl is only ST while yunjin buffs aoe which is what noelle does best
tardy thunder
tardy thunder
Another thing I love about Yunjin is only needing one talent leveled
Since her E damage barely matters
Low resin investment
modern blaze
only level burst and character level
mental ingot
I'm leveling E and playing suboptimally for mad parry deeps.
balmy remnant
how much stack can yoi consume from yunjin's burst ?
all of it
tardy thunder
Some CR subs would be good if you’re gonna use favonious
But if not then really all she needs is Er and defense subs
So she should be easy to build
crystal flame
but fischl is only ST while yunjin buffs aoe which is what noelle does best
Fischl Q and even E is surprisingly efficient at doing small AOE burst if you can group monsters with positionning
solid delta
i just need def circlet and i'm done with 4 husk farm for her
tardy thunder
How many stacks would she get
solid delta
but ofc when i need def circlet all i get is hp atk circlets
balmy remnant
eula with atk spd do feel kinda nutty, if it’s really high tho
mental ingot
New artifact sets are rigged.
modern blaze
i swear mhy does it on purpose
when i farm other domains all i get is def%
tame tree
I'm leveling E and playing suboptimally for mad parry deeps.
same, i'm a dirty parry enjoyer
modern blaze
but here? only atk and hp
tardy thunder
but ofc when i need def circlet all i get is hp atk circlets
Or defense circlets with hp hp percent atk and atk percent subs
solid delta
at this point i dont even care about subs
just get a def circlet and leave the domain
tardy thunder
Or divine chorus CR CV ER defense circlets
modern blaze
flat atk, def hp and EM 
tardy thunder
That would be so broken
modern blaze
4* ZL
tardy thunder
That’s not a defense shield
wheat valley
tardy thunder
That’s an EM shield
tardy thunder
No it does not
wheat valley
All shields scale with Defense
tardy thunder
It scales with EM
tardy thunder
No
compact girder
vestal cipher
For a 3k def Yun Jin she'd make my NA hit with noelle do 5400~ more so in multi ...
right, i can confirm.
tardy thunder
For a 3k def Yun Jin she'd make my NA hit with noelle do 5400~ more so in multi ...
How much more is that than what your Noelle AAs did already?
solid delta
2.5 free event 4* spear with 454 base + 69% def sub 
compact girder
Seriously tho, they seriously fucked up by training the playerbase to hate anything that isn't atk% and crit
compact girder
Anemo and EM did fine because vape and melt were the gateway drug.
But how will they introduce a bunch of def and hp weapons to the gacha without everyone losing their shit.
modern blaze
bell already exists 
crystal flame
How much more is that than what your Noelle AAs did already?
12k~11k~13k~17k
With only geo resonance, R1 SS, d
14k~21k + ZL shield
those are the crits
My Noelle is still on old gladiator set
Only albedo got Husk upgrade for now
wheat valley
Like, Gorou being added to the 4 star pool is pretty similar
In that he's a DEF unit that does nothing for most people
compact girder
From now on, every new def and hp weapon comes with jade cutter 
compact girder
bell already exists <:A_PainTao:801197005975060480>
Yeah when I said they trained the player base to hate it, I meant stuff like that 
modern blaze
the sad thing is bell could be kinda useful but the proc cooldown is just too long
crystal flame
right, i can confirm.
And to answer the initial question, I think my Fischl can compete in ST or straight up better if I don't fuck up her rotation but probably never get close with 3+ targets
modern blaze
i mean, people thinking outside of the box got us shieldfei
bell has a similar effect but on a 45s cooldown
compact girder
It's not even a bad weapon, any shield can trigger the passive and the 24% bonus is universal.
But they somehow included it but forgot to add a character to use it...
And the characters that could use it, are given spears instead.
faint hornet
Why not... Qiqi Beidou Raiden Yun Jin?
Like, sure Qiqi's not the best driver for Yun Jin, but she is arguably the best driver for Beidou!
And her normals are pretty fast.
crystal flame
People usually want to buff Beidou and Raiden in this case, not Qiqi. And the usual 4th to play it as Taser is XQ who brings electro charge and his own damage
Maybe Yun Jin is better but she'll struggle hard with energy there
tardy thunder
Like, sure Qiqi's not the best driver for Yun Jin, but she is arguably the best ...
Qiqi might actually be a good Yunjin driver
She has multi hit on n3 and n4
And attacks very fast
vivid obsidian
And attacks very fast
7 hits per 2-2.1s
tardy thunder
vivid obsidian
She can easily do the 30 stacks
tardy thunder
Very easy 30 stacks
But if you’re using Qiqi on field you want sac sword right?
For divine chorus
Sac sword won’t do anything for Yunjin dmg 
Could still work well maybe
vivid obsidian
Yeah, you want Sac sword
tardy thunder
Qiqi beidou fischl Yunjin?
vivid obsidian
If you're going to use Yunjin, it will be to replace Beidou in ST fights
tardy thunder
Or Xinqiu instead of fischl and a high ER Beidou?
tardy thunder
If you're going to use Yunjin, it will be to replace Beidou in ST fights
So Qiqi fischl Xinqiu Yunjin?
vivid obsidian
Yeah
tardy thunder
That actually sounds like it could be deadly as fuck ST
Need to calc what Yunjin Q dmg would be there
Should be solid since she doesn’t care about Qiqi low MVs
vivid obsidian
Yeah, just number of hits
tardy thunder
Wait does DC Qiqi even build crit?
compact girder
Afaik no
tardy thunder
Would need to build crit hat phys cup
vivid obsidian
It's pure ATK%, but you can squeeze in crit at high investment
compact girder
But she still reaches cap at crit build
tardy thunder
It's pure ATK%, but you can squeeze in crit at high investment
That doesn’t do anything for Yunjin
Maybe this just wouldn’t be a DC build?
Yunjin might add more damage than DC
tardy thunder
DC gives her 8k DPS over old Qiqi
Yunjin might be able to add more than that
I wanna see what an Aquila/Black Sword 2 PF 2 BSC crit phys attack Qiqi would do with Yunjin compared to DC
I think it can be better
tardy thunder
tardy thunder
So she’d lose 3k dps
vivid obsidian
Obviously if you push more ATK% substats, you can start to close that gap
Or if Qiqi ever Qs
vivid obsidian
These calcs assume no Q ever
tardy thunder
Hmm
I think the comparison will be full phys ADC build Qiqi Yunjin vs DC build
With Aquila or a refined black sword, 2 BS 2 PF, and a phys cup and very easy 30 stacks plus SC should be a lot of damage from Yunjin Q
vivid obsidian
You might want to throw in ADC DC Qiqi vs. ADC Glad Qiqi vs. pure DC
vivid obsidian
Over what are you thinking of?
Ah 2 pc/2 pc
Reminder that it's 18% more ATK as well
tardy thunder
Reminder that it's 18% more ATK as well
Doesn’t matter for Yunjin Q
It doesn’t care about her attack
tardy thunder
vivid obsidian
This is what Aquila Qiqi looks like pre-2 pc/2 pc
You're looking at 250% phys DMG with the set
tardy thunder
Going off very quick lazy calculator math I think Yunjin could be like 204k damage from Q buff in Qiqi team
vivid obsidian
20s rot?
I mean, if you really want to push things, you could swap between Qiqi and Fischl to generate even more than 30 procs
Since the first 2-3 hits of Fischl's chain are pretty fast and she can hold Rust
lofty karma
@tardy thunder apparently we have confirmation that yois E mult does not affect yunjin's Q
vivid obsidian
Oh, that's awful
spark vector
vivid obsidian
Yoi's E multiplicitively boosts her autos
timid portal
yoi's E gives a big increase in NA dmg, that dmg increase doesnt affect yunjin's Q
azure folio
can Yunjin be paired with Eula !?
compact girder
<@!285502728673951745> apparently we have confirmation that yois E mult does not...
What???
What is this
Is this mihoyo 🍝 again
jfc
compact girder
Maybe ningguang is her real teammate
grizzled schooner
Seems really good for physical fischl and Pikeli
What about phys claymores and swords
compact girder
vivid obsidian
Is this mihoyo 🍝 again
What do you mean? If you just properly read Beidou Q Yoi E, you'd know these things
timid portal
ye
timid portal
didnt u reply to atilla
lofty karma
Is it confirmed ?
from NGA testers + xqs c4 not increasing spindles damage
azure folio
damnn soo Yunjin dmg buff only scales from Yoimiya's flat dmg huh excluding Yoimiya's E buff
damm
sadge
compact girder
from NGA testers + xqs c4 not increasing spindles damage
Oh man
shrewd willow
Damn :(
timid portal
damnn soo Yunjin dmg buff only scales from Yoimiya's flat dmg huh excluding Yoim...
her pyro dmg bonus + crit dmg
compact girder
lofty karma
damnn soo Yunjin dmg buff only scales from Yoimiya's flat dmg huh excluding Yoim...
basically yoimiyas Ebuff is an MV buff
which applies before bonus damage effects like yunjin spindle or redhorn
azure folio
azure folio
languid socket
Anyone do cope calculations for using yunjin herself as a driver or no good?
shrewd willow
Is it a bad thing for yunjin or yoimiya or both ?
tardy thunder
<@!285502728673951745> apparently we have confirmation that yois E mult does not...
From where
lofty karma
From where
NGA beta leakers apparently
- Xqs c4 which is worded the exact same not buffing spindle
azure folio
okay my mind cant take this .. sooooo Yoimiya's E work like how Yunjin's Q work .. sooo thats why Yunjin's Q buff excludes Miya's E buffed version nd go for flat version right
i m not sure if my choose of words makes sense tho 
tardy thunder
Anyone do cope calculations for using yunjin herself as a driver or no good?
I have with c6 bennet and white tassel
lofty karma
okay my mind cant take this .. sooooo Yoimiya's E work like how Yunjin's Q work ...
basically yoimiyas e multiplies the MV values of the autos directly
not the damage that comes out of them
azure folio
okay
lofty karma
we need to recalc
tardy thunder
It’s not gonna be strong anymore
lofty karma
but yoi lost a lot of what made her so good
timid portal
lofty karma
we also gotta recalc whether VV>bennett
languid socket
I have with c6 bennet and white tassel <:A_smolhutao:795081933980696646>
Oh could I see those 
azure folio
From 1.03m DPR to 902k
is that for 1 string of that team's entire dmg !?
tardy thunder
Oh could I see those <:uzukiGanbarimas:585705708104843264>
tardy thunder
is that for 1 string of that team's entire dmg !?
That’s the total dpr
azure folio
okay
tardy thunder
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t1Fg8-KdHPjndF19yLhYEfs3KIPXN1pekN_UAKQ-...
I got about 330k DPR for Yunjin herself only
tardy thunder
does that dmg loose only from miya's part !?
Yes that’s how much damage was lost
About 100k
compact girder
Noir did you ever get around to calcing Yungguang total dpr
azure folio
Any possibilities that yunjin works with raiden?
i think same situation as BEidou
grizzled schooner
lofty karma
Raiden ult does not work with yunjin
but raiden does solve some of yunjin's teams issues
azure folio
Yunjin needs NA dmg to be hit right !? .. Raiden's Q considered as bust dmg
lofty karma
so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
grizzled schooner
azure folio
i think i will prolly use Yunjin for Eula ..
ohh wait tho
actually i dont know at this point .. if Eula Shenhe or Eula-Yunjin would be better
balmy remnant
both sound kind of cope
languid socket
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t1Fg8-KdHPjndF19yLhYEfs3KIPXN1pekN_UAKQ-...
Very cool, thank you
grizzled schooner
Yunjin childe?
grizzled schooner
Sounds really copium but I’m just trying to find any teams to use her in since I don’t have yoi
azure folio
i just forcing my way into wanting to find a place for both of them in my teams
i mean my Alt account overall a place for copium chars anyways to begin with .. but honestly i enjoy Miya so much (i didnt think i would enjoy her so much before pulling her tbh)
azure folio
balmy remnant
What are yunjin’s best comps rn?
grizzled schooner
<#869676879286792222>
Does the def of the character buff her ult?
balmy remnant
no
tardy thunder
Rip
How is that rip?
That’s an absolute win because it means you only need to build defense on her
wheat valley
@tardy thunder have we Calced Fischl teams yet
tardy thunder
Speaking of Kazuha I still need to calc him and Xinqiu as Yunjin drivers
wheat valley
tardy thunder
<@285502728673951745> have we Calced Fischl teams yet
I’ve done one yes
wheat valley
Which comp was it
tardy thunder
Which comp was it
Fischl Rosaria bennet Yunjin
wheat valley
Hmm.
tardy thunder
Still need to calc Rosaria as Yunjin driver too
There’s a fuck ton I still need to calc
I’m not even close to finished
Kazuha Xinqiu Zhongli Rosaria Keqing ayaka drivers
wheat valley
Does Fischl use A4 there
tardy thunder
Are some of the many in my list
wheat valley
Wait not A4
grizzled schooner
How is that rip?
Albedo as a driver 
wheat valley
I mean C1
tardy thunder
I mean C1
She uses c1 to dump out 30 stacks ASAP and then summons Oz
Her c1 is considered NA damage
wheat valley
Hmm yeah.
wheat valley
I wonder if we can replace Bennett there though
Or even replacing Rosaria with Zhongli.
tardy thunder
Or even replacing Rosaria with Zhongli.
I did that at first
Bennet can prob be replaced
But with who?
lofty karma
She uses c1 to dump out 30 stacks ASAP and then summons Oz
physchl has another thing going for it
yunjin stacks are independent for chars
tardy thunder
physchl has another thing going for it
yunjin stacks are independent for chars
Yeah there’s also that
lofty karma
so dumping stacks fast means you can just use another char
wheat valley
Fischl C1, Oz, Swap auto I think.
lofty karma
like say rosaria
tardy thunder
You can dump out all the Yunjin stacks then swap to someone else and get a few
That might be a valid reason to use Zhongli over Rosaria
Physchl and Pikeli on same team
wheat valley
Geo Resonance helps because it's a blanket Dmg Bonus. Might also be worth looking into Thundersoother/Lavawalker or stuff like that.
Thundersoother is a 35% Boost for both Physical+Elemental Dmg.
tardy thunder
Geo Resonance helps because it's a blanket Dmg Bonus. Might also be worth lookin...
TS won’t work I don’t think
wheat valley
tardy thunder
Cuz Oz isn’t in field when you’re doing C1 spam
wheat valley
Hmm.
wheat valley
Fischl Zhongli Lisa Yunjin
tardy thunder
Swap to him as soon as Fischl is done getting 30 stacks
lofty karma
why not pikeling with crit/ER/atk?
tardy thunder
~~Fischl Zhongli Lisa Yunjin~~
Do you think Lisa’s defense shred would be better than SC?
lofty karma
so that rosaria can reverse melt
tardy thunder
That sounds like a disaster
wheat valley
Well it's 15% DEF Shred vs 20% RES Shred.
lofty karma
wheat valley
But Lisa ER reqs are like
tardy thunder
Well it's 15% DEF Shred vs 20% RES Shred.
SC is 40%
wheat valley
wheat valley
Yes but the usual enemy is 10% RES.
lofty karma
Yes but the usual enemy is 10% RES.
10%
wheat valley
10*
tardy thunder
so all zhong brings is geo res really
He’s a 10% dps increase
And can drive with pike
wheat valley
10% DPS increase for ALL damage.
lofty karma
And can drive with pike
so can xianling tho
wheat valley
Is the important part
tardy thunder
so can xianling tho
And that sounds like a disaster
lofty karma
also rosaria is a decent pike driver with CA spam
tardy thunder
That’s another disaster
tardy thunder
Both of those two things you described run into split scaling issue
And the Xianling one sounds like an aura nightmare
wheat valley
@tardy thunder Oh yeah
tardy thunder
You’d have to figure out reaction counts between overload SC and melt
I am not going to calc that
tardy thunder
I am not going to calc that
But if you want to deal with that nightmare be my guest
lofty karma
ayaka is strong because she can stack VV + BS
wheat valley
ayaka is strong because she can stack VV + BS
No. It's because A1+A4.
lofty karma
that too
tardy thunder
Rosaria Kazuha Yunjin Xinqiu/chongyun
lofty karma
but we were calcing vv BS yunjin teams even before then
wheat valley
Rosaria Kazuha Yunjin Xinqiu/chongyun
That comp won't work without Chongyun.
lofty karma
and just sort of realized.... ayaka is better than CY here by miles
tardy thunder
I know
lofty karma
tardy thunder
I still can’t decide what the Kazuha driver team should be
Kazuha c6 bennet Yunjin Xianling?
tame tree
man, i'm so fucking depressed right now 
tardy thunder
Basically the Xianling driver team but Kazuha driving instead
languid socket
So mono Pyro?
lofty karma
sounds good actually
abstract night
tardy thunder
Basically the Xianling driver team but Kazuha driving instead
So that Xianling can focus entirely on nado
lofty karma
Gorou driver.
we've actually discussed that
wheat valley
But it'll be a thing
tardy thunder
sounds good actually
EM/Pyro/Crit Kazuha?
lofty karma
seems good
tardy thunder
Black sword or jade cutter
lofty karma
freedom sworn or PJC?
wheat valley
Mist
lofty karma
ah right
tardy thunder
Oh yeah or freedom or mist
Mist probably best
Black sword seems good for us that don’t have the 5 stars tho
tardy thunder
At r5 for NA/CA damage black sword is basically r5 spine without needing shield
Just 10% less dmg bonus
wheat valley
Noir
lofty karma
lions roar applies to pyro/electro right?
tardy thunder
lions roar applies to pyro/electro right?
Yes
abstract night
so this team, kazuha is driving, not xiangling right?
lofty karma
R5 black sword is just
no
lofty karma
so this team, kazuha is driving, not xiangling right?
correct
tardy thunder
so this team, kazuha is driving, not xiangling right?
That’s the idea
abstract night
so how useful is xiangling
wheat valley
Just
tardy thunder
R5 black sword is just
no
Me who already has r5 spine: why
modern blaze
why kaz instead of XL? 
abstract night
since she's desynced and needs a battery
wheat valley
It's 24% Elemental Dmg Bonus
tardy thunder
why kaz instead of XL? <:C_GhostHuh:792111057022746624>
Who else would you use?
modern blaze
also iron sting is easy to refine and has a dmg% passive, should be fine
wheat valley
Meaning you boost E Q and NA
lofty karma
Who else would you use?
EM fischl? 
tardy thunder
She provides pyro shred pyro dmg bonus and Ton of damage
lofty karma
albedo?
tardy thunder
Kazuha bennet Yunjin Xianling
wheat valley
tardy thunder
Could we make it a 15 second rotation instead of 20 with albedo?
modern blaze
wouldn't it be better to have XL drive with her multihits? and she already builds pyro dmg%
tardy thunder
With albedo getting to Q?
tardy thunder
wouldn't it be better to have XL drive with her multihits? and she already build...
I’ve already calced that
modern blaze
basically go back to the old XL comp
abstract night
cause im thinking instead of xiangling u could get someone who kazuha's infused burst could react with, maybe even his autos
lofty karma
albedo also helps solves yunjin's energy issues here
tardy thunder
True
wheat valley
Albedo and solves energy should not be in the same sentence.
modern blaze
what if you go for a raiden fischl comp?
wheat valley
modern blaze
just... don't use yunjin and raiden burst together
tardy thunder
If we can make it a 15 second rotation with albedo that should be really good
abstract night
the team im gonna try is yunjin kazuha xingqiu fischl
modern blaze
4p LW ZL
4p AP geo MC
4p HooD yunjin
c6 benny
pyro-geo ZL microwave comp?
solid delta
is this C6 Bennett and Petra Albedo ?
tardy thunder
His Er needs shouldn’t be high if he’s on field using his E off cooldown
Husk albedo
solid delta
oh actually
tardy thunder
solid delta
yeah husk should be much better for his personal dmg
wheat valley
Someone run ER calcs for Yunjin albedo Kazuha bennet
Hmmmmmm
tardy thunder
mental ingot
Where y'all shopping for these 4P sets? 
tardy thunder
tardy thunder
Back to Xianling 20s rotation
winter steeple
<:A_smolhutao:795081933980696646>
Got a similar result
winter steeple
Curse of Geo
modern blaze
if you're really desperate for a kaz driver comp
what if you do raiden kaz benny yunjin?
tardy thunder
Allowing Kazuha to use LW
winter steeple
Keep the 247er on yunjin?
tardy thunder
if you're really desperate for a kaz driver comp
what if you do raiden kaz benny...
Why is Yunjin there
winter steeple
modern blaze
i dunno, you use her with kaz before doing the raiden burst stuff
tardy thunder
Keep the 247er on yunjin?
Would have to use favonious Yunjin probably
Or Er sands plus Er weapon
winter steeple
Or Er sands plus Er weapon
If her Q scales on her teams crit might not be so bad huh
Ya it works
Barely
167 on my end
At worst
tardy thunder
That would be skyward spine plus 4 liquid subs plus 2 fixed subs plus Er sands
Achievable
winter steeple
Wait it includes fav
tardy thunder
Oh I was speaking for non favonious
The 242
Would be less subs needed with star glitter instead of spine
Or EL
winter steeple
Oh alright
winter steeple
Fav also requires some time to stay in
Do we know if her particles are genned immediately on cast
Or can it gen only after the shield breaks
tardy thunder
It should be exactly like beidou
winter steeple
Oh after initial cast
tame tree
man, i'm so fucking sad right now
azure folio
tame tree
Yoi mains can never have a break
winter steeple
More Doomposting yay
lofty karma
Someone run ER calcs for Yunjin albedo Kazuha bennet
with 0 favs
now lets see if we give bennett a favsword
more or less manageable for everyone
and kaz can run a crit swords still
if we add fav yunjin
albedo def not bursting here tho
not much use for EM buff and rotation too tight
tardy thunder
albedo def not bursting here tho
Why?
lofty karma
15 second rotation
tardy thunder
Ah
lofty karma
EM buff doesn't add much
tardy thunder
Wait where Yunjin
tardy thunder
EM buff doesn't add much
Swirl
winter steeple
Has anyone interpreted her Q as saying the duration of Q for each character is separate?
vestal cipher
Has anyone interpreted her Q as saying the duration of Q for each character is s...
what would that change?
winter steeple
Nothing , just curious
radiant wagon
are there any sheets of taser qiqi yunjin?
balmy remnant
@compact girder wakey wakey new yunjin frames just dropped
still no NAs during ult tho
compact girder
<@456226577798135808> wakey wakey new yunjin frames just dropped
WHere
compact girder
some facebook post
Huh what
balmy remnant
Huh what
yeah i know, weird place to find
the interesting thing is, with these new frames, if you make them 12% faster they match the invoker video. Which is neat, but the invoker has hitlag and these new ones are just another showcase
compact girder
Yeah they look much faster
tardy thunder
What if the play is to use Yunjin to drive herself super fast then swap to fischl and continue to drive
Conspiracy
I can’t load the Facebook post
@balmy remnant is gonna frame count tho?
balmy remnant
<@367160010335191054> is gonna frame count tho? <:A_HuLurk:803496101097111552>
already did 2 hours ago lol
mental ingot
tardy thunder
already did 2 hours ago lol
so how many combos can she do in 10s
I really wanna justify using her on field
mental ingot
tardy thunder
<:Copium:834822065231364156>
Did you see my sheet?
I had her doing 330k in pyro build
mental ingot
balmy remnant
<:hmmrev:829472535057006663> so how many combos can she do in 10s
do you want using those frames or want me to shave off 12% to simulate her atk spd, but there's still no hitlag
tardy thunder
do you want using those frames or want me to shave off 12% to simulate her atk s...
Yes to both 
balmy remnant
Yes to both <:E_PoliwhirlConcern:793960306882773003> <:A_smolhutao:7950819339806...
N4D?
tardy thunder
wasn’t N3D before able to get 30 stacks already before we got faster frames?
Why n4d barely making it
balmy remnant
<:hmmrev:829472535057006663> wasn’t N3D before able to get 30 stacks already bef...
i just realized i goofed something, give me a sec
@tardy thunder that's better
balmy remnant
grain of salt
faint hornet
The bigger question is how good of a Beidou driver is she?
balmy remnant
What about N3D?
- opens up blender to see when the second hit of N3 would be so i know the earliest cancel *
tardy thunder
balmy remnant
already done lmao
tardy thunder
balmy remnant
tardy thunder
it looks tight
balmy remnant
very, with these simulated frames, 7N3D + N2 is 599 frames
viral lotus
But can she afford to build all the necessary stats to make self-driving viable?
nope 
it's a waste of her potential
compact girder
nope <:A_HuTaoTeeheePoint:899444166549962782>
it's a waste of her potential
Isnt onfield driving also a potential though
mental ingot
viral lotus
Isnt onfield driving also a potential though
on field dps needs to invest in attack, crit r/d, and maybe even physical goblet. You miss out on her entire kit by not building defense and ER tho so at that point you are kinda missing out on the entire character just to see her normal attack
viral lotus
sadly 4 star characters do not get this kind of treatment
compact girder
ehem ningguang
faint hornet
Yeah, but now we have two DEF% scaling weapons, so why not a whole set?
viral lotus
and, call it a hunch, but I think mihoyo has "filled their qouta" for the defense character meta to justify the existence of gorou and itto, and they will now move on to promote a different mechanic/niche. So i don't think we'll see such a spear anytime soon
if only yunjin would've been the 5 star 
she would've gotten a signature weapon
faint hornet
Albedo not getting a signature weapon for an entire year was pretty crazy.
viral lotus
Albedo not getting a signature weapon for an entire year was pretty crazy.
that was the issue of many early 5 stars
faint hornet
Feel bad for anyone who gets Albedo in the future too though.
viral lotus
cause they relied on the standard banner 5 stars to "carry" these characters
faint hornet
Like, what about someone who starts after this version and gets him on his next rerun?
viral lotus
Like, what about someone who starts after this version and gets him on his next ...
they'd get a half baked albedo 
they should add already released event weapons to the fishing shops
want an old event weapon? go fish 
faint hornet
I think they'll have to have an event that's like... choose your own event weapon/refinement material at some point.
viral lotus
I think they'll have to have an event that's like... choose your own event weapo...
yo, getting a duplicate on one of the event weapons sounds neat 
mihoyo's principle of not buffing characters after release is the reason they were pushed against a wall when making this event weapon
and because its not a direct buff to albedo, they'd need to somehow reintroduce the weapon on his next rerun or they'd see a big sales dip on his rerun
faint hornet
Maybe they'll just put it as a 4* weapon in the weapon banner tbh.
Easiest solution. Have it refine normally.
viral lotus
Maybe they'll just put it as a 4* weapon in the weapon banner tbh.
highly doubt event weapons will enter the weapon banner
faint hornet
miHoYo not buffing characters after release
Noelle and Albedo this patch 👀
viral lotus
they didn't get DIRECT buff to their multipliers
faint hornet
Yeah, but they both get a new BiS weapon and set.
viral lotus
mihoyo doesn't touch the actual character stats after release, only time they did that recently was zong
viral lotus
Yeah, but they both get a new BiS weapon and set.
5 star weapon that would not return until itto's rerun, and a 4 star event weapon that might never return
people thought festering desires would get a rerun eventually as well, but there are no signs as of yet for event weapon reruns or introduction into banners