Shenhe Thread

[worldly sand]

I agree with this but I dislike the c6 aspect on 5* to the core.

[pine heron]

yea, at least this early for 5*s

[worldly sand]

It gets hard for f2ps and mild spenders trying to get that c6 (money cost specifically)

[pine heron]

really feels like they just wanted to do smth here but backfires

or yk, not that sought after

[worldly sand]

maybe yunjin is the true 5*

and shenhe is the 4*

/j

[pine heron]

for meta purposes

BASED

[worldly sand]

[coral onyx]

I mean it is a way to allow them to introduce harder content or make the hardest content we have a bit harder by giving power without directly buffing characters or releasing characters that powercreep the old ones directly so it's not all bad
but nothing's perfect and having to think hard on pull strategy can be a pain

[pine heron]

specialized supports are fine if done right

and as a 5* one, how this is rn is very wonky

4*'s are much more acceptable since copies are more achievable and everyone could get them

[vast current]

Imagine pulling C6 5* for element-specific support.

[wooden stratus]

I can't believe miHoYo about to give us a really hot waifu with trash tier kit

Time to bring back the 1* reviews

[hollow coyote]

So we shouldn’t pull for shenhe if we don’t have a cryo dps to begin with? Waiting for Ayaka rerun

[vast current]

You should pull for Shenhe if you like her character and don't mind her not being a good character mechanically.

[neat geyser]

Next week adjustments

Time to wait

Inb4 c6 is moved to c2 or c4 or something

[split nacelle]

please don't doompost, her kit is far from trash especially this early in beta, let's just wait and see

[red olive]

does shenhe quill snapshot? like in noblesse 4pc buff, will it have lower attack after the duration or will it snapshot

like does it go lower after shenhe being swapped out from bennet's ult?

[split nacelle]

it says it doesn't

"shenhe's atk at that time" or something like that

that means no snapshot

[neat geyser]

She should be dynamic

Atleast the Q i think

[split nacelle]

yeah they're moving away from snapshot

[split nacelle]

i think q should snapshot, at least that's the case with "stuff that's put on the field"

meanwhile the quills shouldn't

[red olive]

and ig it wouldn't make sense if her stacks/quills aren't synergistic w/ her weapon's passive

[proven fern]

By calculating her MV like this you omit that Shenhe can have a very high attack (3k+) where her damage is applied by someone with typically a lower attack (2k+). Her buff expressed in MV% is therefore higher than what you show here. Additionally having multiple built cryo chars in your team flat-out multiplies her E MV by the amount of characters in your team. She herself is a horrible applier with a high attack build though. So I guess in duo cryo you want to give her crit/dmg% as well? In this case your MV's do approximately hold up.

[fluid belfry]

I do think that currently she’s preferable in a triple cryo team.

What do you think is the part of her kit most likely to be buffed? I suspect they might increase the stacks of the quill

[clever tartan]

I think she will be run with 3 cryo AND an anemo with infusion and cryo cup

[fluid belfry]

Jean then

[clever tartan]

Jean doesn't have infusion

At most she can swirl cryo if you are affected by it which still doesn't proc quills

[fluid belfry]

Jean + Chongyun

[clever tartan]

Then it would work

But kazuha diano would probably be better

Still ok-ish comp tho

Just like every team with shenhe now

[fluid belfry]

Kazuha buffs more yeah but Diona is a dead weight meanwhile. Probably Kazuha is better, all things considered, that much is true. But I’d rather go pure EM on him

[clever tartan]

If you use kaz you have to go diano cause the team needs to survive

Is really hard to figure it out the best builds to this team

Both kazuha and shenhe needs to choose if they go full buff or deal some damage themselves

Diano also have to choose between shield and heal or damage

DIANO cryo dmg cup and crit hat is real

[knotty lantern]

I'm struggling to see what Mihoyo is trying to achieve here.
If Shenhe actually wants triple cryo that sounds so bad, cryo and its carries tend to want both freeze and anemo utility...
Sure there's chongyun but is MHY really releasing a 5* support for him?

[clever tartan]

I think she is at least a small upgrade to reverse melt quickswap

[fluid belfry]

It feels like geo but it’s cryo. Enable mono element. Except mono element cryo isn’t that desirable.

Like, I can imagine Shenhe Ayaka Ganyu Kokomi

But seriously, Kazuha is a more useful pull

Smells like whale bait

[clever tartan]

She is not a real upgrade to any current meta teams, just wait for her new tailor made 4pc set that will come out in a few updates and make her viable

[ripe cedar]

you can also use cro xq, cryo jean, chongyun, then shenhe

[fluid belfry]

I don’t see how that would happen

[clever tartan]

Her current set is 4pc blizzard or 2pc glad + 2pc shime

They should release a set that buffs cryo dmg of all team or something like that

And make it so she is the only one who can actually use it fully

[leaden holly]

By the time that artifact set come out shenhe rerunn already come back. I wouldnt hoping for a speciffic artifact set if i were u

[wooden stratus]

What set would even fix her?

A cryo Husk?

[coral onyx]

Yeah I listed MV just to see her impact in damage by herself compared to some other cryo, for people that may try her as is with a regular cryo damage build.
Yes I know she is a strong buffer for the stacks she provide, like for example ~50~70% more ATK on the 7 hits instances she'll buff for an Ayaka Q.
But yes she may shine on accounts that have hyperinvested 240+CV Blizzard strayer Ayaka-Ganyu-Venti

And here is my complete note on hit

Significance: her burst damage at C0 is initial + 10 dot : 777.64% at T10
C2 is initial + 16 dot : 1135.56% at 10

Shenhe burst damage at C0 is initial + 10 dot : 777.64% at T10
5 quills : 383.75%
7 quills : 530.32%
C0 Q + 5 quills : 1161.39%
C0 Q + 7 quills : 1314.89%

C2 is initial + 16 dot : 1135.56% at 10

C2 Q + 5 quills : 1519.31%
C2 Q + 7 quills : 1672.81%

C2 Hold E + Q (wait for 7 stacks consumed~5sec) + Hold E : 2 196,2%

Ayaka C0 Q ? = 4143.87% on an enemy cced for 5seconds
Rosaria C0 Q is 1411.2% (6hits)
Rosaria C2 1886.4% (8hits)

[proven fern]

So basically, she's cheap to build because you would already invest as much as possible in your carries 🤔

Unless you also want her to apply stacks

[coral onyx]

Well if you already have hyperinvested cryo carries, especially Ayaka, yes you can field her with any kind of triple ATK mainstats artifacts and profit

A 3k5 Shenhe E quill is basically a ~2650 ATK buff for the damage instance it'll impactWrong
2650 damage added to MV%*ATK of the character buffed before DMG% multplier and crit multiplier are applied

[proven fern]

My key question is: does Shenhe enable new team comps, or does she merely sidegrade another 5* in existing comps (or godforbid a 4*)

I guess triple cryo is something you don't see often

[clever tartan]

For now she is only sidegrade to freeze and to melt

She kinda enables triple cryo but i don't see it being as strong as freeze yet

Also her quills dont really like aoe and multi hits, which is where ayaka and ganyu excels at

[fluid belfry]

Melt we’ll have to see actually

For instance the proc might not melt again in a melt Ganyu team

In which case you’re better off running double pyro most likely and using Bennett for an attack buff

[pastel portal]

I'd use her on a XQ-Bennet-Ayaka-Shenhe team. Freeze during buffed Ayaka CA spam + Insane burst buffs

I usually run XQ-Bennet-Ayaka-Rosaria. Shenhe, once she gets a good round of adjustments (she definitely will), will be a good upgrade to an already strong comp

[proven fern]

C6 shenhe + ayaka CA spam

[proven fern]

its not really insane burst buffs though, and it's either or, because either burst or CA use up all stacks really quickly

[coral onyx]

Shenhe E is 10 or 15 sec cooldown, Ayaka burst is 20

[proven fern]

yeah i guess you can alternate

[pastel portal]

You can easily alternate and stack buffs

I already have C6 Ayaka

so charged spam would be reasonably strong

[vast current]

🐳

[split nacelle]

ngl I might spend a little more for Zhongli cons, but not sure I wanna go to C6

C2 would be ideal

[vast current]

C6 Zhong is useless.

C4 is comfiness.

[split nacelle]

any C6 is mostly simping tbh

even Xiao's not that worth because it can be so expensive if you lose all 50/50s

[split nacelle]

C4 sounds great

but I'll only spend whatever I can at the moment and see what that gives me

[vast current]

Get enough hitlag in multiplayer and get 90%+ petrify uptime with C4.

[split nacelle]

[pale root]

Shenhe kit is building my resolve to wait for Yae and invest in cons

[vast current]

We’ll have Yae leeks during Shenhe banner.

[pale root]

And maybe the first good 5* catalyst

[split nacelle]

[vast current]

[true forge]

Koko exists

[pale root]

Cant equip Koko in my Mona

I know she is something similar to the Luxurious sealord
But i still couldnt figure out how to equip her

[pine heron]

you meant the weapon catalyst, not unit right

[pale root]

Yep

[pine heron]

figures

[pale root]

I want a mistsplitter/thundering pulse catalyst weapn

Not the donut
Something that is usable in more than 1 character

Heck
Give us a 5* ttds and im already happy

[vast current]

Yaetalyst.

[true forge]

My weeks of having to defend Koko has lead me to seeing 5* Catalyst as 5* Catalyst user

Sleep deprivation ain't helping either tbh

Fuck Finals

[fluid sluice]

[pale root]

No worries
Thats me with Yoimiya as well

[wooden stratus]

Ping me when Shenhe is buffed

Otherwise, Shenhe funds are better off Yae Constellations

[floral jay]

Yae armpit

[timber kiln]

shenhe tc

[hallow flower]

i think most people are chilling now with her tc

[timber kiln]

[hallow flower]

it just ends up with dmg% and cv allies = good

[timber kiln]

tldr of shenhe guide

[floral jay]

more like coping and waiting for buff

From what ive seen people said that shenhe kit being a mess

[hallow flower]

i still think shes good in specific teams

[floral jay]

Like 3 cryo?

[hallow flower]

but not everyone has the characters and weapons for her team

[wooden stratus]

My issue with shenhe is that shes bad for accounts with little value

[floral jay]

putting it in morgana will remove healing from diona which is kinda coping for me since i lack skill and need comfort

I kinda can put her in .. eula teamm?????????

Idk

Cope

[timber kiln]

im still pulling her if they didnt change yae weapon type

[floral jay]

either way im still pulling for shen

Hips >>> meta

[chilly hinge]

I'm of the opinion that her kit is mostly fine, it's just her low personal damage that's holding her back over other options. I think a lot of people do find her kit fundamentally unsatisfying, so they'll say that the limited number of quills is bad even when 5 quills per E can be enough to significantly buff a cryo dps

A lot of people have a damage per screenshot mindset when it comes to genshin and shenhe doesn't really fit that

[floral jay]

Whats her use in outside of cryo dps team

[timber kiln]

i love her eyes

[chilly hinge]

That's not really relevant to the conversation

[floral jay]

Ye but if you have no cryo dps then surely you would have to run other thing like chongyun

[chilly hinge]

Or free 2 play god kaeya, but I don't think it's a huge deal. Like you wouldn't pull for albedo if you don't want to run geo teams for example

[floral jay]

i dont have cryo dps not sure if i can even use her if i pull for her

Most of my team are tied on OL,Vape,Physical or EC

[chilly hinge]

ultimately the decision of whether a unit is worth pulling is up to you, TC just helps make an informed decision of how to optimize a unit if you do pull for them more so than deciding whether to take that primogem sink

[timber kiln]

nobody can stop me using shenhe with hu tao

[wooden stratus]

I think the issue is albedo still does things outside geo comps while shenhe does nothing if shes not woth a cryo

Still

Why would you put shenhe outside a cryo team

[timber kiln]

why not

[floral jay]

bcs i dont have any cryo dps other than unleveled chong,kaeya and rose

[timber kiln]

we are free to formulate any lineups right

.

[floral jay]

Painful to play around

[chilly hinge]

True, but at this point most teams will have a better flex slot than Albedo, for example fischl, XQ, beidou

[floral jay]

Pein

[timber kiln]

then we adjust the charac based on team needs

[wooden stratus]

At least shenhe is…..useable with rosaria

Ayaka is ugly and ganyu is just eh for me so im not really…set on getting them

[floral jay]

im considering my decision rn even tho i want her design but if i cant even enjoy my overworld experience or abyss experience

[chilly hinge]

There are many supports that are kind of locked to one sort of team, the upside to shenhe being cryo locked is that there are at least a lot of cryo units and teams and playstyles available

[floral jay]

Then im might regret everything

[wooden stratus]

By a lot do you mean ayaka and ganyu?

[floral jay]

[twilit trench]

[chilly hinge]

Well there's possibly Eula, Kaeya, Rosaria for example, not every viable DPS is a 5 star

[wooden stratus]

Eula?

Who does shenhe replace in her team

[timber kiln]

yes

hot ladies together

[wooden stratus]

I can see kaeya and rosa tho

But be honest with me, people who pull shenhe arent the same people who like kaeya

[twilit trench]

Eula/Raiden/Shenhe/Qiqi or kokomi

[wooden stratus]

[twilit trench]

[wooden stratus]

I feel like shed offer less than rosaria

[twilit trench]

Not if the damage buff is big enough

[wooden stratus]

Hmm yeah

[twilit trench]

[chilly hinge]

its not my place to say, but others are working on calcs that show that shenhe may have potential in Eula comps, however I'm not entirely sure of the details yet

[wooden stratus]

Im waiting for meme shenhe shit

If pikejin exists

Then mdps shenhe will also exist

[timber kiln]

if that happen ill not touch tc chat

[wooden stratus]

Dont you want pyro shenhe eru

[chilly hinge]

With a unit like shenhe you really need to do the math, you cannot draw conclusions with feelscrafting her teams like you can with other units

[wooden stratus]

[twilit trench]

@timber kiln Dm me enka gameplay

[timber kiln]

shenhe tc only

[floral jay]

Shenhe eula er gen

[timber kiln]

[floral jay]

Shenhe,eula,raiden?

[twilit trench]

[floral jay]

rip rotation

[twilit trench]

Just run like

250% er on Shenhe

Not a big deal

[wooden stratus]

With EL

This might be another Homa VV situation

[floral jay]

Shenhe pullers are just mihoyo reasoning to turn everyone into kaeya or rosaria mains

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-dance-gif-10055104

[wooden stratus]

Doesnt work to me i already play rosaria

[floral jay]

I built rose and bought dm for her on first release

[wooden stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-fav-at-the-moment-gif-22263643

[floral jay]

Benched her 7 days after

[twilit trench]

https://c.tenor.com/6ukmmG3vmPkAAAAM/genshin-impact-kokomi.gif

[wooden stratus]

Smh

https://tenor.com/view/rosaria-gif-20796954

SMH

[floral jay]

https://tenor.com/view/fu-hua-herrscher-of-sentience-honkai-impact-gif-21066249

Wrong game but who cares

[twilit trench]

https://c.tenor.com/VqT7XIZxRWcAAAAM/herrscher-of-sentience-hi3.gif

[timber kiln]

"yatta"

[hallow flower]

i think that its prob her strongest comp at ceiling

but you dont have healing/shielding in it so its up to venti to keep you safe

[floral jay]

This is so fucked up

[pulsar tinsel]

which is better to go C2 or calamity?

[vestal chasm]

C6 Rosaria would still beat her in an Eula team tbh

[floral jay]

Ye but my condition here is i wont get C6 rosaria without wishing on this new banner or wait for another rosaria featurd banner in like 3-5 more months sooo...

but ye in terms utility c6 rose probably going to be better placement for eula team

Than shenhe

Unless theres something i should know mihoyo is keeping the secret from me

[vestal chasm]

I think Shenhe needs a buff her kit is all over the place

[floral jay]

• not to mention her burst er

Putting her in eula team means you probably need to run another cryo

[vestal chasm]

Ya her burst is too costly for what it does

[floral jay]

Or might aswell just go mono cryo lol

Sounds boring ngl

I play character mostly because of their gameplay and design

Idm if they are weak but if its not even enjoyable then

[vestal chasm]

I'd say Ganyu's burst is better than her's in terms of support

costs lesser as well

[floral jay]

I mean put her in with cryo dps then she would workout fine ig

Ganyu,venti,shenhe,mona

Sacrifice comfort

Or just remove mona go kokomi

[vestal chasm]

Her kit only synergies properly with Ganyu

Ayaka uses up her quills too fast

[floral jay]

Ayaka works or any cryo dps tbh

[vestal chasm]

And Eula doesn't have much Cryo dmg

[floral jay]

Just wait this monday for adjustment or buff

[vestal chasm]

Ya

Tbh at this point Yunjin is looking better in terms of value than Shenhe

[floral jay]

[vestal chasm]

Let's hope her kit makes more sense after the adjustments

[pliant solar]

pray for monday

[fluid belfry]

Using up quills fast means nothing. There’s no damage per rotation difference

Only Shenhe C6 has clear lack of synergy with Ayaka

[proven fern]

Are you sure? Ayaka's CA hits multiple times in aoe, wouldn't that be nuts for applying shenhe quills?

[oak tide]

it uses them quickly yes

but using them fast or slow doesn't matter as long as you use them all

[proven fern]

For c6, see @fluid belfry message

I mean he said c6 shen has no synergy with ayaka, while i think ayaka CA is cracked with c6 shenhe, unless I'm missing something

[fluid belfry]

Quill stacks deplete with burst and you really do not want to avoid using your burst with Ayaka

[proven fern]

That is true. Maybe you could do a few CA, use burst, recast shenhe E and then CA some more until next burst

Basically refresh after burst is finished

[fluid belfry]

I mean you’ll clear content easily once we’re talking that level of whale

No matter what you do

[proven fern]

Ofc, that wasn't the point

[fluid belfry]

But the synergy between these two units just isn’t great as far as the focus of their kit when Shenhe is at C6

I feel like at C6 you’d rather hold E and then switch into a Ganyu and drop nukes

But time will tell how the kit is adjusted

As to your suggestion: longer rotations sometimes are a necessary sacrifice but they’re not good in and of themselves

[proven fern]

Well its not per se a longer rotation, you're just on ayaka alot

If her rotations are tight then yes i guess that detracts from the value

[fluid belfry]

If you have to wait for the buff to end to use your burst then you would be elongating rotations, is my point

Unless you can somehow fit it in on cooldown

Which seems ambitious to me

[proven fern]

Ayaka cd is 20s right?

[fluid belfry]

Yep

[proven fern]

You could expend one buff on her burst and another on her CA using 2x tap E

[fluid belfry]

Ah fair the C1 effect

[true forge]

You are like the nineth person I've seen say this. Yunjin is a Geo NA buffer. There are MAYBE three units in the entire game who rely on NAs to do damage.

Yunjin looks fine but nothing that impressive

Sadly the fact that what is supposed to be a buffer for one of the best elements in the game is being compared to a niche Geo flex unit hurts a lot

Wtf MiHoYo

[proven fern]

Yunjin does not require geo damage dealing NA

[wooden stratus]

They meant an Na buffer that is geo

Not an NA buffer for geo NAs

[vestal chasm]

I said "value", by which I meant how much investment you need to put in order to get the character
You can literally get Yunjin for free in the event whereas for Shenhe you will have to pull and hit pity maybe even go upto guaranteed for non whales it's a hard decision to make since Yae and Ayato might me coming out in 2.5

[proven fern]

Ok, bit ambiguous. I don't see how being geo would necessarily be a detriment to yunjin though.

[vestal chasm]

Anemo and Geo are flex units most of the times anyways

[frigid stump]

I think it's because geo is a self contained element that doesn't mesh well with other elements unlike anemo

[proven fern]

Hmm right, she can't setup phys or ele shred or provide useful resonances, except to another geo

[frigid stump]

And like kiko said very few characters rely on NAs as their main dmg source

[true forge]

Value is an inherently subjective thing so I won't challenge it. My opinion, though, is that investment isn't about pulls but what they unit can feasibly do for your account. Unless you have Yoi or plan on going back to Razor Yunjin doesn really move the needle.

Both of these units are really, really niche. A little too niche imo.

[proven fern]

There is also ningguang

[frigid stump]

This

I don't really care how many primos I have to spend for a character. What matters the most to me is what said character is going to do for my account

[proven fern]

But yeah, it's true that she and some other newer 4* are niche. Maybe not a problem for long term players that can simply unlock some new teams. Not so nice for new players for who she is probably useless unless you have the appropriate unit to go with her. Though she is probably quite useful early game where any character's NA can do the job

[vestal chasm]

Tbh Shenhe is really niche as well she is mainly a support for Cryo dps characters and only 2 of the 3 seem to properly benifit from her this doesn't make her any better then Yunjin with 3 characters that can use her

[proven fern]

And that is what confuses me so much about her

Why would I pull a niche unit when I can save up for ayaka rerun, as an example

For hips i guess

[vestal chasm]

A 5 star needs to be much better than a 4 star at its role in their release at least, being niche shouldn't excuse them from being underwhelming

[proven fern]

Yeah. If it has to be a niche then you could argue that she should be obviously strong within that niche. I didn't think Cryo was the element that needed that

[true forge]

Nobody is better than Benny and no one likely ever will be. The buffer role isn't something you can throw star ratings at

[frigid stump]

No cryo absolutely didn't need it

[frigid stump]

tanned himeko trust

[vestal chasm]

True Electro and Geo need that the most(Sara had my hopes but she didn't do much....)

[true forge]

Watch them kill her off before she gets a banner

[frigid stump]

i would actually fucking mald

but she's an archon so she'll definitely get a banner

which is all that matters

[true forge]

In before Himeko dies and we get her daughter's banner instead

[frigid stump]

Stop

[vestal chasm]

Ya I saw this argument coming....
Can you name a 5 star support that's underwhelming except the healers
Bennett is Bennett he he is not gonna be replaced anytime soon

[true forge]

They've released like three support units since launch

[frigid stump]

how many 5 star supports do we even have

there's like kazuha

[wooden stratus]

Noone really, even healers like qiqi does fine nowadays

[true forge]

Is ZL a support?

[frigid stump]

him too

[wooden stratus]

Kokomi kazuha mona zhongli

Uhh

Venti

[frigid stump]

Albedo maybe

[true forge]

Kazuha seems more like a SubDPS than a support to me

[wooden stratus]

Subdps but depends

[vestal chasm]

Albedo is more of a sub dps

[frigid stump]

true

[wooden stratus]

Supports can be subdps

Vice versa too

[vestal chasm]

Nah he is a support he literally buffs your stats

[frigid stump]

so we have like only 4

[wooden stratus]

Yoimiya gives you 20% atk

Yoimiya support

[frigid stump]

childe buffs your talents

[true forge]

Actually would any of you consider childe support?

(I know... that joke was terrible)

[desert locust]

wrong channel sory

[vestal chasm]

I meant Kazuha's focus lies of buffing elemental dmg and elemental res shred on enemies is that not support, plus also off field elemental application with his Q

[wooden stratus]

Xingqiu cant hold ttds, cant heal, doesnt enable in aoe, cant really tank

[wooden stratus]

He also deals so much damage

The thing that makes xingqiu so good is his damage and st enabling

Also his DR

[vestal chasm]

Anyways my point is if you look at all the 5 star supports so far does Shenhe not feel underwhelming

[wooden stratus]

Shes alright

[true forge]

I mean... she isn't out yet

[wooden stratus]

Kokomi is amazing to me so i dont see shenhe as being worse than her

[frigid stump]

she looks fine

[true forge]

We thought Kazuha was a Mono specialist

[wooden stratus]

Shes solid so far though i wish she did have more quills

At c0

[frigid stump]

like kokomi is kind of the only support that's underrated imo

[vestal chasm]

That's true so at least we can expect her kit to be improved

[wooden stratus]

She looks like the last unit with role compression

She does everything but shield

[frigid stump]

Hydro archon trust

[wooden stratus]

Inb4 hydro archon is hydro shenhe

And kokomi hyper now meta

[vestal chasm]

What's Kokomi hyper?

[wooden stratus]

Kokomi solo carry

I guess?

Kokomi/Xingqiu/Kazuha/Fischl

[frigid stump]

[wooden stratus]

Which is honestly just an ST version of taser

[vestal chasm]

That sounds like splashing enemies to death lol

[wooden stratus]

Theres like

SC taser kok

Koko/Beidou/Fischl/Rosaria

For bigger bubble dmg

Like around 5k more

[vestal chasm]

I did run this in abyss except I had Beidou instead of Xingqiu

[wooden stratus]

Yeah, so taser

Kokomi hyper is just taser anwyays

[frigid stump]

Hopefully slime theory is true

[wooden stratus]

Omg

[vestal chasm]

Ya Kokomi won't be doing much more then taser

[frigid stump]

then the hydro archon would have CC

[vestal chasm]

Rip Venti

Not really

[wooden stratus]

Not really

[frigid stump]

bro, the content in the game actively gets balanced around venti

[wooden stratus]

Hydro slime cc is bubble

[vestal chasm]

True

[vestal chasm]

It's like the oceanid pet event all over again lol

[frigid stump]

hydro archon creates bubble that trap opponents and increases the dmg taken by trapped opponents

[vestal chasm]

Mona powercrept

[wooden stratus]

GOOD

had enough of that swimsuit wearing broke lady

[frigid stump]

diluc's already been crept so it's fine

[frigid stump]

[vestal chasm]

Diluc was cerpt at release lol

[frigid stump]

exactly

[wooden stratus]

Klee and xiangling?

[frigid stump]

not so much klee but definitely XL

[vestal chasm]

I remember hearing how Xiangling C4 is better than Diluc on Day 1 funnily enough I had both back then lol

[leaden holly]

i still remember i got c6 XL on venti banner

[warm hare]

In fact Xiangling was already better than Diluc since the betas. There was even a meme that at the time he was only good enough with C6.

[pliant solar]

looking at shenhe fanart to stay strong

[golden gull]

[silk oak]

Im looking at a different kind of fanart

Normal fanart just doesnt do it anymore, doesnt attract me

[raw hawk]

well... in the betas guoba also only had 6s CD

and diluc got a lot of buffs between CBT2 and release

[pale root]

We probably will start having juicy beta changes this week

[vast current]

[wooden stratus]

shenhe broken yet?

[floral jay]

Shenhe broken yet?

[pliant solar]

shenhe broken yet?

[wooden stratus]

Yes shenhe is broken now

Her E skill doesnt work anymore

The quills just disappear magically

[pliant solar]

[floral jay]

You ruined the coping chain nooo

[verbal blaze]

guys, no info yet regarding adjustment kit?

[desert locust]

has we known how her quill limit will count with c1? 5+7 or just 7?

[hallow flower]

no info that im aware of

[oak tide]

you'd probably end up doing double tap-E to match a 20 second rotation anyway

[floral jay]

Shenhe broken yet?
Its almost monday

[pliant solar]

[pale root]

shenhe broken yet?

[floral jay]

Shenhe broken yet?

[dire ivy]

When is shenhe getting nerfs?

[floral jay]

[potent tangle]

[grizzled relic]

shenhe broken yet?

[tame flare]

i'm relatively new, could you provide an example? I'm curious since i'm a venti haver

[frigid stump]

what i mean is that we are getting less enemies that can be sucked into venti ult

the abyss floor are getting less enemies that can be sucked into his ult

and even in overworld until the samurai nerf

[tame flare]

doesn't that mean venti is already powercrept? I always hear that kazuha is better than venti is most situations now

[frigid stump]

i wouldn't say he's been powercrept

[tame flare]

i wish for enemies that can't get sucked up, venti could just suck them closer in like kazuha

[frigid stump]

venti is a character that has his niche and when he can fulfill it he's cracked but when he can't he's significantly worse

whereas kazuha is less volatile and more consistent

[tame flare]

seem weird that the anemo archon is significantly worse in some situations... looks like kazuha is the real anemo archon

[pale root]

They are balancing the game towards making older archons worse

[frigid stump]

i mean venti is so good that the game is balanced around him

[pale root]

Between the new wolves that ignore shields, the New geo looking to be full DEF-centric (making zl less interesting there)

zl is also get less and less useful

[tame flare]

interesting

[vast current]

ZL is still -20% RES, which will never be not useful, especially for Geo.

[tame flare]

I wonder how quickly we'll start to get to the other regions... lore-wise the traveler seems to be getting significantly stronger... almost too strong

[pale root]

Sure
But i mean
The New geo wolves already shred themselves into submition just by applying copius amount of geo on it

You dont need the extra 20% there

[vast current]

Good thing there's more than wolves in abyss.

[frigid stump]

oh the power scaling is already kinda fucked tbh

[pale root]

Sure
There is also still places where kazuha ain't got shit on Venti
Like 11-1

Its just that
On average, older archons are being less core

[undone osprey]

Only venti

Zhongli is still at the top of abyss characters usage

[pale root]

The zl powerecreep is just starting now

[undone osprey]

Along with Raiden

Provides the strongest shield in the game and -20% universal shred .

[vast current]

ZL is just comfy button.

[undone osprey]

Anyway we're getting huge shenhe buffs tmrw

Stack limitations is going to be changed

[pale root]

It will be a lot harder to powercrep ZL since mihoyo buffed him into space post complains

[undone osprey]

20 per character

[pale root]

20 per character with a 60s duration instead of 10/15s

[undone osprey]

Make it 30 and we good

[pale root]

deal

lets cope that into existence

[undone osprey]

I hope her burst can snapshot

[tame flare]

Has anyone thought of a forward melt comp for shenhe? i’m thinking chongyun diluc shenhe + anemo healer maybe sayu

I heard a typical forward melt comp that is good is diluc bennett kaeya chongyun

I guess bennett could fill the role too

nvm it doesn't work i guess.. too to use 5* as a cryo applicator for forward melts right plus all the pyro chars cryo damage + quill would suck probably

[coral onyx]

That doesn't really work, the Bennett-Chongyun-Diluc-cryo comp is more of a quickswap alternating forward melt and reverse melt with their burst and filling time with Diluc than trying to have consistant melt like you would try to get vape with a Hu Tao - Xingqui for example

[tame flare]

i see

[tired wyvern]

Hi guys! Is r5 wavebreaker better than a r1 homa?

[coral onyx]

Maybe she could work in a mixed melt with Klee - Rosaria or some kind of combination of that but it's hard to tell without testing similarly to how unpredictable the compatibility of a character is to a national variant with 3-4 different elements

[undone osprey]

For burst dmg? Yes R5 Wavebreaker does slightly more dmg than R1 homa iirc

[tired wyvern]

Ok ty!

[cursive osprey]

has she received any beta buffs or is she still garbage?

[lapis crow]

she was never garbage

[slate lantern]

[cursive osprey]

You forgot this:

[cursive osprey]

[lapis crow]

double pinged for nothing

[true forge]

If you have nothing to add kindly go back to general

We don't do... whatever it is you're doing here

[cursive osprey]

Well I was asking if she got buffs

Because right now, I don't think anyone can say "Shenhe is great" with a straight face

[cursive osprey]

Iimited to cryo, weaker multipliers than rosaria, bad battery, expensive burst, 5/7 hit limit, weak shred.

Can you list down the good stuff shenhe can do that other characters can't do better?

Can you really justify the 5* pricetag or are you all talk? Perhaps you should go back to general

[fluid belfry]

Slightly? Well more

[true forge]

I'm sorry, who said she was?

[cursive osprey]

My point exactly

[fluid belfry]

R5 Wavebreaker outdamages most 5* for burst damage

[true forge]

How is that your point?

A character can be fine and not great

[cursive osprey]

What can you add?

[true forge]

Yeah I'm just gonna block. I don't have time for yellow nonsense

[cursive osprey]

Oof, sore loser can't argue? Maybe don't lead with that next time. All bark no bite.

[vast current]

[fluid belfry]

You’re an ass and talk of Shenhe being trash is completely exaggerated. Either you don’t get her kit or you don’t know how to value it.

[cursive osprey]

Then answer the question

[cursive osprey]

^

[fluid belfry]

She’s very niche. She works better than alternatives in that niche. But her value is low due to that niche

[cursive osprey]

The thing she can do better than others is being so niche? Nice

[fluid belfry]

1. 5 hits per character and each off of a very high attack stat. Her scaling is off of the character attacking not her, so you can combine incredible attack and crit/damage multipliers.

2. ascension talents exists: buffs to burst/E damage for instance.

If all you see is a res shred you’re blind

[cursive osprey]

5/7 hits is fine for the 10/15s cd? Wouldn't other buffers do better in that department? Kazuha, Bennett, Mona ttds, can she beat any of that?

Add all her buffs and calc all that if her buffs are better than a 4* and a standard 5*

[fluid belfry]

Will she buff cryo damage dealers more than Bennett? Yes.

[cursive osprey]

In say, Ayaka comp or Ganyu

5 hits in 10s, vs Bennett's 12s of high flat atk buff doesn't seem 'fine'

[vast current]

Depends, if the cryo character has high base MV or multihits, Benny's still better.

+80% of Shenhe's ATK is < Benny's ATK bump multiplied by Ganyu's Frostflake MV, for example.

[cursive osprey]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Maybe if the cryo you're buffing is chong then shenhe is better

Which is dumb, like the claim

[vast current]

Same goes for 's ult, due to many hits. Even more so if you have C2

Shenhe's buff is better for:
-Qiqi orb (kek)

• normal combo, but only until the buff runs out
• Aloy?

Just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more.

[cursive osprey]

I rest my case. Seems "being niche" is all she's good at. Not even the best at whatever niche she fills

[fluid belfry]

Ah yes do tell me what offensive cryo support is better

[cursive osprey]

And it seems it isn't exaggerated if she can't even be the best in the niche she fills

[fluid belfry]

She is the best lolol

We don’t have cryo damage supports that are insane

[cursive osprey]

[fluid belfry]

Who is there?

Chongyun?

Ganyu?

[cursive osprey]

Ease off the copium mate, you've nothing else to add

[vast current]

C2 Yoola cryo support.

[cursive osprey]

Which team would she be best in slot in? Aloy dps?

Do tell me what comp she's in that she's irreplaceable lmao

[fluid belfry]

Are you for real? A unit has to be irreplaceable to not be trash?

Lol you’re an abrasive child

[vast current]

I would like her to at least do better than 4*, especially in her own niche.

[cursive osprey]

Seems you're describing yourself

[fluid belfry]

Hahahaha you didn’t really pull the no u card

Have a nice time kid

[cursive osprey]

Thanks dad, but please stop coping

You can't even answer the other guy who proved you wrong

[cursive osprey]

Better than bennett? Jfc remove your TC role

[drifting vigil]

C6 enjoyer

[vast current]

Whale.

[drifting vigil]

CryoKeq

[fluid belfry]

I mean she does. She’s not an attack buffer though so viewing her that way is skewing views in the wrong direction. Her real value is constellation locked sadly (at most), I do hope they fix that.

To be clear, I think that Kazuha is a better pick. He does a lot of the same things and more and isn’t niche locked. Shenhe has a slight res shred, she buffs damage sources (either E and Q or CA) adds some damage of her own and then several instances of cryo damage that scales well off of DPS units. Her weird niche is of mono cryo team rn imo. Say, Ganyu Ayaka Shenhe Kokomi. It’s bizarre and probably not the best use of resources but it will work I’m pretty sure.

More of a luxury pick for people who want to play around rather than something for minmaxers

Trash is quite exaggerated though

[vast current]

I would see her do better in her niche if she had more quill stacks and slightly lower modifier per quill.

[fluid belfry]

I agree, I think she should have more stacks.

[vast current]

That way she's very good at buffing fast/multi cryo attacks, and Kazuha is better at buffing high MV moves.

[drifting vigil]

Sara should have buffed entire party 😔

[frigid stump]

tbh they should've just made her buff higher than bennet

since she doesn't heal

and it only lasts 6s

[drifting vigil]

Well C6 does that for Electro

But yh

[fluid belfry]

I don’t think viewing it as her buffing is helping the framing. Her buffing is cryo damage bonus, Res shred, and multiplier bonus from her E. I’d rather view her Quill stacks as personal damage which depends on the damage modifiers on the attacking unit.

IIRC C1 will essentially increase her stacks two fold by giving her two charges of her E, right?

[vast current]

[pine heron]

zero clue on that

[fluid belfry]

The phrasing didn’t say at most 7 stacks I think

So they should be able to, well, stack

[pine heron]

in all honesty, it might not
C1's intention may be to burn 5/7 stacks once, cast again for 5/7 more

it might

[fluid belfry]

In which case she’s more like, E hold E tap -> give 12 quills to every cryo unit and buff E Q and charge attack damage

[pine heron]

it did not say the effect could stack however

[fluid belfry]

It didn’t say it couldn’t !

[pine heron]

[fluid belfry]

So it remains to be seen

[pine heron]

yea

its either we get confirmation soon or on release

[fluid belfry]

But typically with Mihoyo when an effect can’t stack they specify

At least Iirc (they’ll say Max 7 stacks)

Such as on PJWS

I know it’s a bit of a different situation there but we don’t have much to go on since this is a new mechanic unless I’m mistaken haha

[pine heron]

dunno

nothing afaik that consumes stacks one by one

apart from Itto's SS stacks

but that's just an attack thing + no stamina cost

[fluid belfry]

I double checked just now and the current wording basically is “grants icy quill” no talk of stack limits

So I’d assume they can stack.

That makes C1 a noticeable boost, but I hope that’s not the final product cause it feels like a fix

[pine heron]

the effect also states "will be cleared after a certain number of stacks are consumed"

down by the Icy Quill

[fluid belfry]

Yeah, though I’d assume that means when quill stacks reach 0?

[pine heron]

I think they could still stack but, effect may be gone once past 5/7

[fluid belfry]

Think that condition is specified for the C6

[pine heron]

tho also possible if you used all stacks cuz mobbing

[fluid belfry]

So that you don’t still do Icy Quill damage when charge attacking despite quill stacks being 0

[pine heron]

than all stacks give you the dmg bonus but idk

[pine heron]

technically just when 5/7 are used up in accordance to tap/hold

based on wordin

I don't believe c1 is meant for stacking

[fluid belfry]

Your reading seems more awkward to me, but we’ll see when we learn more

[pine heron]

rather a reload of quills

how so

[fluid belfry]

If that was the intention Mihoyo would say “maximum 7 stacks” or “quill stacks cannot stack”

The “certain number of quills” doesn’t obviously refer to the initial stacks only. And in the full context of her kit I think it makes more sense as a clarification of C6

Because without that phrasing you might think that quill damage buff on the charge attack persists for the full time duration no matter what since charged attacks don’t use up stacks.

[cursive osprey]

C1 is mostly a convenient way of reloading quills without waiting for the entirety of its cooldown, as well as an option for battery for long rotations.

[fluid belfry]

But again, sufficiently unclear to make waiting wise

[pine heron]

yea that's fair

[pine heron]

yea I think so too

and c1 in general feels like it ain't an +1 charge like so many others and instead a use like diluc E

but sounds iffy if no "CD resets if not cast"

things will probably get clarified

[fluid belfry]

I think it’s two charges… man I wish the wording was clearer

Anybody have Xiao’s on hand for a side by side

[pine heron]

sucrose c4 pre rewording....

Xiao's like others

are an additional charge in wording

fuck, wish there was more in depth explanation in descriptions from mhy

oh yea, I also remember there was some discussion of if kazuha's a4 could stack the same elemental dmg bonuses
afaik it does not stack the DMG boost, dunno about its duration

[fluid belfry]

Mhhh I don’t think damage or stats boosts provided by the same unit can stack generally. But providing stacks of something is a bit different.

[pine heron]

yea its not the same thing

[floral jay]

Its Monday
Shenbe broken yet?

[frigid stump]

it's not monday

[clever yarrow]

one more day till shes broken

[cerulean wraith]

its already monday in asia

[vast current]

[pale root]

That moment when people are actually waiting for Monday
what mihoyo did to us

[neat geyser]

Shenhe got deleted

[frigid stump]

[true forge]

Brightside: Now I can't be tempted by hip windows

[frigid stump]

the hip windows are gonna haunt you tho

[pine heron]

hip windows will come back

just like raiden's braid

[frigid stump]

hip windows on pyro, hydro and cryo archons pls

[vast current]

Shenhe buffs?

[pliant solar]

She broken yet?

[leaden holly]

She broken everyone heart

[vast current]

Not yet, that's at least 4 weeks from now.

[upbeat spruce]

do u think shenhe has a dps potential with her current kit or she at best could be a sub?

[frigid stump]

she currently looks like a sub dps/support

[upbeat spruce]

makes sense

i was going to get itto but i saw her animations and dam they are good

plus her design is really pretty

[whole kiln]

could royal spear be potentially good for shenhe full atk% build? I think it might be good because:

1. high base atk and atk% substat. This 4* statline is only shared by lithic spear, and that weapon is a weapon banner exclusive
2. The passive is actually usable on shenhe since she'll be using an atk% circlet in that build, giving royal spear more effective crit rate(https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/mechanics/equipment/weapons#mathematical-analysis-of-royal-weapon-effective-crit-rate)
3. Royal passive does proc off-field, making the crit buff more consistent(https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/mechanics/equipment/weapons#how-royal-longswords-passive-works)

[mystic linden]

it's nice as the only non-rng gacha spear with atk substat

the extra crit rate for shenhe's personal damage is negligible

[vast current]

Shenhe's personal damage is negligible.

[fathom trellis]

So she won’t come 2.4?

[neat geyser]

[golden gull]

Leaks where

[pliant solar]

op soon?

[floral jay]

Shenhe broken yet?

[obsidian ore]

canceled, scrapped, and replaced with a childe rerun

[pale root]

Where shenhe buffs?

[obsidian ore]

what leaks are you waiting for exactly?

[pale root]

[fathom trellis]

[obsidian ore]

wait for update 2.6 when they'll release an artifact for her after the fact
man they really need to stop doing that shit

[floral jay]

Shenhe broken yet?

[golden gull]

unlimited quill s

[floral jay]

[obsidian ore]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-go-and-check-check-forgot-let-me-check-checking-gif-17279110

[golden gull]

or better burst witout icd

[hallow flower]

unlim quills would be insane

[pale root]

Unlim qills would make her c1 kinda useless
But we can dream

And her c6 as well

Yeah
Not happening

[obsidian ore]

ayaka burst go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[hallow flower]

mhm

[pliant solar]

so she op now?

[hallow flower]

she would jump up to over 30k dps contribution

[pliant solar]

[hallow flower]

at c0

[obsidian ore]

a must have for any account that uses ayaka

ye, not happening

i bet they'd never touch the number of quills of a c0 shenhe, but they might try different stuff with the multipliers

that's frankly a bit

cause its not like she's in an unplayable state atm

is there a reason you guys didn't post it in #・faq ?

[limber dome]

Changes to CBT

▫️C2 Yun Jin Recycling

• C2 WAS: Hits with normal attacks of characters under the influence of Yun Jin's ultimate increase the damage of a character's normal attack by 2%. Max. 10 times, every 0.3 s.
• C2 BECAME: When using the ultimate, the damage of a normal attack of nearby members of the squad is increased by 15% for 10 s.

▫️2. Buff Ulta Yun Jin (Buff)

• The duration of the ult is increased from 10 to 12 seconds

▫️3. Shen He Adjustments (Debuff / Buff)

• Damage of normal attacks on average reduced by 10%
• E-shki's quick hit damage is 243.36% → 251%.
• Increased damage 76.75% ATK -> 82.2% ATK

[BETA] Subject to change, blablabla.

Translated from Russian

[chilly hinge]

I’ll see about doing that later when I’m at my computer

[obsidian ore]

sauce tho?

if true tho, nice wins for yunjin, sad noises from shenhe

[floral jay]

holy fuck a nerf?

[obsidian ore]

+6% atk scaling on E is not what shenhe was missing

[floral jay]

Shenhe broken yet?

[floral jay]

Quills proc on anything

[obsidian ore]

nerfing a normal attack of a support is nothing

[floral jay]

thats what I need

[limber dome]

It's from the Russian leaker, I can't read the name, I just Google translated the patch notes

[floral jay]

True

[obsidian ore]

your avarage shenhe user will have normal attack at lvl 1/2

[floral jay]

average shenhe user

[obsidian ore]

shenhe enjoyer will triple crown her no matter what

[floral jay]

shenhe enjoyer

[obsidian ore]

[toxic imp]

Shenhe finally broken guys

[pale root]

Cryo dmg bonus from Q now 15% instead of 10%

Now its broken

[grizzled relic]

still worse than ganyu

[bitter kraken]

They have different roles

[grizzled relic]

I mean the cryo dmg buff

ganyu got 20% 🤔

[bitter kraken]

Can you add shenhe's buff onto ganyu's burst?

[pale root]

Yes

[grizzled relic]

I believe so, why shouldn't it?

[wooden stratus]

Ganyu and shenhe to support my dps diona

[bitter kraken]

Then I guess ganyu+shenhe is a good duo

[pale root]

Tbh
Shenhe + Ganyu c1 you can skip anemo entirely

[coral onyx]

Shenhe also has the res shred on her burst, just from her burst she'll increase damage more than Ganyu, and she also then has a conditional buff on her E

[vestal chasm]

Shehe is a Ganyu buff lol

[bitter kraken]

I'm still debating if I should go for ganyu c1 or ganyu c0 + shenhe c0

Especially because I'd have to go for a morgana comp without diona

Ganyu shenhe anemo mona

[pale root]

Now shenhe burst just need to suck enemies
And we good

[bitter kraken]

Ahah that'd be perfect

[pale root]

Ganyu shenhe, proto amber sucrose, Mona

[vestal chasm]

Ya we need more functionality for an 80 cost burst

[pale root]

For a 60% x2 dot

Makes yoimiya burst tic look reasonable

[vestal chasm]

True

[obsidian ore]

russian leaker was spot on

[pliant solar]

wait

what happened

why they nerf the normals

[obsidian ore]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[pliant solar]

dw next week her q will be 70 cost

trust

[obsidian ore]

its over tako

we gotta accept shenhe for what she is now

[pliant solar]

Ill take it

[floral jay]

Shenhe broken yet?

[pliant solar]

More cryo damage bigger quill damage

[floral jay]

[obsidian ore]

frankly its a small buff, but better than nothing

[pliant solar]

ITS OK WE HAVE WEEKS LEFT

Believe

[floral jay]

Copium believer

Its ok you can infuse cryo from shenhe stand on skill for kazuha

[obsidian ore]

[coral onyx]

Because they traped(designed) themselves in a corner with their new transfering stats into MV mechanics
Basically with Yun Jin and Chongyun she'd probably be doing Raiden C2 in Q buff level of NA and with C6 she'd compete as one of the best ST dps in the game
Which I wouldn't mind as it would suck for AoE but they are too conservative in power for new limited characters that aren't archons or long time coming(ayaka)

[floral jay]

[pliant solar]

what would it look like now if u ran the same thing

it looks like quite the nerf too

[coral onyx]

Hum pretty similar, guesstimating a loss of like 2-3k on 20~30k hit of NA

[pliant solar]

thats with quill damage ya?

and still running atk atk atk

[coral onyx]

quill damage and Yun Jin burst

[obsidian ore]

missed opportunity to make chongyun more useful

[coral onyx]

No running standard adc with huge CV and ATK

[pliant solar]

ah

so u get like 7 hits of 20-30k then it drops back down to what

c2 raiden hits like 40k normals tho no?

[coral onyx]

But this doesn't prevent Shenhe-Yun Jin - Ayaka
So if you have to single target with NA that is even easier to setup
Shenhe full ATK, Yun Jin full def and Ayaka with the greastest CV Blizzard strayer
Kazuha to multiply everything

[obsidian ore]

i hope one of the beta testers will confirm to us how the quills work in terms of stacking....

[coral onyx]

Nah Raiden hits like between 20~30k without EL

[floral jay]

shenhe is a sleeper unit like kazuha

You just need to use chongyun on the team

[pliant solar]

thats why i raised chong

[coral onyx]

but it's kinda rude of them to nerf something that would only impact single target for Shenhe

[floral jay]

Rude for them

Not like they have been polite to us anyways

[pliant solar]

wait so explain quill quickly to me again

[floral jay]

[pliant solar]

incase im mistaking

[wooden stratus]

Shenhe dead

[pale root]

Not dead yet

The nail in the shenhe coffin will be yae drip marketing

• leaked kit

[wooden stratus]

5* unit with 4* skills

Shenhe isnt dead to me

#YaeWhen

Because shes on yun jin banner

[vast current]

Next change: Removed Shenhe’s ability to wield a weapon at all. She’s an exorcist, not a fighter.

[obsidian ore]

ooof too accurate, we saw what it did to the itto hype train

[pine heron]

fuck you mean

okay fair enough for peeps that don't see leaks

[true forge]

I swear to God like half the yellow flairs here are just incapable of waiting for actual math

[obsidian ore]

I'm not sure what's mihoyo's strategy when they build up anticipation to a new character, then before we even roll for said chara, they already start the hype train for a newer one. Guess it's their answer to leaks from beta?

[undone osprey]

We got shenhe nerf?

[true forge]

Someone over at Shenhe mains did calcs and the AA nerf didn't affect her much at all

[pine heron]

wallet draining

they want you to spend literally everything for every unit

despite the fact

you can't gear everyone

and you won't whale for everyone

only a few so they just stash a bunch

[coral onyx]

if you play her subdps/support you never even hit once with that polearm in hand anyway

[woven mantle]

yeah it's just bad news for main dps copers

[pine heron]

at this point I wouldn't be surprised if why they

are making mono, or close to, mono teams with newer support releases

[true forge]

Nah it didn't detrimental affect her MDPS build either. It was like a 2% increase to overall damage

[coral onyx]

and if you play her MDPS with cryo infuse in ST you get like between 50-80% of your damage MV coming from your quill

[drifting vigil]

You're a 2% increase to overall damage

[true forge]

Could be more I don't think the poster included crit

[pine heron]

is that more monsters are gonna become immune to certain reactions (i.e. freeze) or have constant auras to them

[coral onyx]

can you tell me who posted that or the sheet? I'm really curious that sounds weird

Or they factored in the difference with the buff she got around it

[true forge]

Sal in Shenhe Mains. He was responding to someone saying the nerf ruined her MDPS viability

[woven mantle]

it means her dps NA wise was so bad the new buff offsets the nerf

how is shenhe as a driver

[true forge]

@coral onyx I'll dm the sheets

[coral onyx]

Okay I see them, thanks

[oak tide]

10% buff, nothing groundbreaking

[true forge]

How many weeks are left in the beta? Three?

She'll get more changes

I'm assuming beta testers actually know what she's supposed to do now

[pliant solar]

we're week 2 right

into the beta

[frigid stump]

you place a lot of faith in beta testers

[pliant solar]

im a little bit more optimistic now if theyre making changes now

[vast current]

Yae will just be Shenhe.

[true forge]

Let a man hope

[pliant solar]

if they keep adding 10% every week we might have a very pogger unit like raiden on release

[frigid stump]

if she is that just increases my chances for a c6 hydro archon

[vast current]

Hydro archon is Shenhe.

[frigid stump]

stop

shut

[vast current]

[true forge]

It is 6:54. Why am I up at this hour?

[frigid stump]

shenhe

[coral onyx]

Hum, yeah the quills have been buffed significantly but that guy's estimate are wrong he expect a quill stack for all his NAs, which without C6 he just won't have so it's 2% per NA when you have quill stack but no idea how much for a complete rotation as I have no idea how many NA is getting thrown and how quill stacks are going to get consumed

[fluid belfry]

Work? At least that’s why I was up at 6.

[pliant solar]

but her personal damage as off field has improved right

its just a little pepega for mdps

[coral onyx]

Yes, significantly

[pliant solar]

aight im happy

didnt raise my chong and rosa for nothing

[frigid stump]

have you learned nothing for the beidou debacle

[coral onyx]

I really need to know if her C1 gets fucked if she switch out of field

[pliant solar]

dont jinx it ill be very sad

has anyone calculated how much u would do with diona hold e lmao

[vast current]

5* 82.6% of Shenhe’s ATK.

Because Diona does no damage by herself.

[true forge]

I don't think MiHoYo is dumb enough to nerf synergies for extremely niche units like that. Raiden is anything but niche and spaghetti code is probably more the reason her and Bei don't work than anything else

Shenhe will work with every Cryo because she legit has to

Except for Qiqi

Ofc

[frigid stump]

my point is that you shouldn't raise a character expecting them to work with a beta character that is stc

[coral onyx]

Easily 50k+
probably 100~120k if you VV Kazuha and all

[pliant solar]

adc on diona right

[coral onyx]

yeah have to adc for those numbers

[pliant solar]

can i keep the sac?

[pine heron]

dumb code is defo why raiden bei don't work
tho unfortunately, raiden was probably designed to work with beidou by batterying her when her ult isn't up and she has no energy

[pliant solar]

cause im wondering how much it would hit if i have her for battery and still squeeze some dmg out

[tame flare]

maybe that's why they won't drip market yae

[coral onyx]

kinda have to or the 15sec cd will fuck you out of half of the rotation, with sacrificial at least you can benefit from 2 full quill stacks 10 sec apart

[tame flare]

would explain all the leaks for shenhe here

[wooden stratus]

Mihoyo loves 🍝🍝🍝🍝

[pale root]

Who doesnt?

[tame flare]

also why is all the convo around the quills? are the shenhe e and q buffs that she provides to party on activation of e not pretty good? I didn't even realise she had them until today's changes

[wooden stratus]

People allergic to tomatoes

[pliant solar]

cause the quill is her gimmick

[tame flare]

it's like a NO + Martial artifact set combined

less but still

[frigid stump]

just don't be allergic lmao

[pliant solar]

a new mechanic in the game so people are exploring how it works and maximize it

[frigid stump]

[pliant solar]

her a4 is nice tho

[tame flare]

shenhe might be an all in one buffer, without relying on artifact set buffs

[floral relic]

They're all individual damage instances, there's two other columns for non-Quill damage. Not meant to show any rotations, just that (in total) her damage has gone up despite the NA nerfs.

A Quill for every NA is never assumed.

[tame flare]

you could use more dps artifact sets, that could increase party damage no

[pliant solar]

personally im interested in her as a support for melt ben as well

rosa can battery shen

[coral onyx]

Well you can't directly say her damage has gone up without a rotation because her NA damage even with quill have gone down, and without quills it's gone down significantly unless you assume the E + Q + quills is going to benefit more from the buff than the NA that got nerfed in your rotation, which may be the case and probably is, I don't know
but you can't straight up say it without a rotation and knowing how much NA damage you do VS how much the rest of the damage is

[floral relic]

The buff to A2 and Quills also extends to the rest of her team though (those that also deal Cryo damage, at the very least).

[vast current]

More quills!

[coral onyx]

Yes and you are probably right in most cases, most situations and you were talking about shenhe chong and another cryo or anemo?

[floral relic]

This was in regards to a "the sky is falling!" conversation for PF Shenhe

That example is with Shenhe, Chongers, some form of Hydro, and Sucrose specifically (that calc has VV + TTDS, and she has elemental absorption)

[pliant solar]

so its just 2 cryo units

[floral relic]

IDD it's a "needs more testing" situation

[pliant solar]

it feels like fitting 3 is kinda annoying

[coral onyx]

Oh yeah people like to doompost and it's a pretty big buff for how most people would play Shenhe what she got

[floral relic]

Agreed

[pliant solar]

either u go no healer or u play diona

which i guess u can run adc and get a decent st hit

[vast current]

Remember when 5* were released and they were good at multiple things?

[pliant solar]

cant have that now

[coral onyx]

Hum, yeah I don't know about going for 2 cryo only and having shenhe as onfield gonna need an insane blizzard Strayer but she is probably going to be one of the most fun chars to play that way with C1-C4

[pliant solar]

i get why from a business standpoint

[true forge]

You mean when Kokomi launched?

[floral relic]

PF is generally a "safe" comp to run, I don't think Sucrose is a bad fit for the last spot, VV and TTDS are good boosts to team damage and she can proc quills, and the Hydro spot can be filled by XQ who has minor defensive and healing utility as well. Granted, you'd have to take XQ out of something else if you're already using him, but other Hydro can fill the spot as well.

[pliant solar]

u build a base roster of nice universal units so people always have options

then u release a ton of niche units

[floral relic]

It's something I've been trying to force looking into since she was revealed since I've been waiting for like a year for her to drop

She's too pretty to not have on field

[pliant solar]

i get that feeling

[frigid stump]

it's big brain except for when the character is too niche

[pine heron]

yea rip

[frigid stump]

however i definitely believe she'll get better with future cryos

[pliant solar]

ye people looking to clear will pull the existing units

[coral onyx]

Issue of Sucrose is she only gets to use 3 quills on her burst in ST, Venti could use them all but he sometimes just won't work
Kazuha could always atleast use 4 I think

[frigid stump]

[pine heron]

some people might disagree
but having several units that do close to the same thing/on a similar power level as each other lets people chose their favorites and just comes down to personal preference
maybe having multiple bennetts for both sides of abyss might be a issue to some idk
we can still have niche units tho but idk

[coral onyx]

but in AoE Sucrose and kazuha will be the same I guess quills wise

[floral relic]

Yeah, they're good choices too, I just haven't looked at them for my own calcs since I own neither

[frigid stump]

i agree to an extent

[coral onyx]

I hope the Shenhe burst works like Guoba for the swirl on Sucrose E

[pine heron]

and like to an extent, the dps catergory is mainly preference, with ofc its defining top carries and less used dps

[oak tide]

release cycle and f2p primogem accumulation is too slow for 5* sidegrades

[frigid stump]

[pliant solar]

The dual banner alleviates the niche problem because newer players have more choices to go for early

[vast current]

Wait no, can’t crit bad!

[pine heron]

yea, primos and resources haven't lost their worth

[pliant solar]

But vets that already clear everything will move from niche to niche meaning more char pulls meaning more moni

[pine heron]

everything has its opportunity cost in this game

I feel like that's smth people forget

just in general

[pliant solar]

having 2 teams that does everything in the game is bad for business

[vast current]

I just feel that, in order to make Shenhe worth her slot/play more efficiently, I need to run at minimum 2 other cryo.

[pliant solar]

i just dont know why they chose cryo to start making niche stuff

[frigid stump]

yeah that's odd

[pine heron]

that's resin and resources you cannot get back (aside from artis and weapons that can be swapped to other units)

[frigid stump]

considering how solid cryo is

[pine heron]

fr...

[vast current]

And that severely limits what comps I can put together.

[pine heron]

its bringing in solutions to problems that ain't here yet

[frigid stump]

yep

[pine heron]

meaning its almost likely the problems will exist

just way fucking sooner

[frigid stump]

create and sell solution -> make the problem

• mhy

[pliant solar]

tbh kaz surprised me the most but thats mostly the nature of anemo

[oak tide]

make the problem after you can't roll for the solution anymore

[golden gull]

[frigid stump]

causes people to be more enticed to roll for the rerun

[silent raven]

Is the buff significant or meh?

[oak tide]

I guess it's a good way to bait people into rolling for constellations on rerun too

it's a 10% buff

[frigid stump]

wait for math

[frigid stump]

[oak tide]

she was a viable mono cryo support before

now she's 10% better

[silent raven]

I just hope i can tell my friend who keeps saying "shenhe weaker than rosaria" to shut up at some point

[frigid stump]

we'll see on launch

when we can actually test her

[oak tide]

I think it solidly puts her above rosaria in terms of overall damage per rotation

[pine heron]

like I very much believe corrosion was gonna be a thing at some point
but things like kokomi (both her existence and her lukewarm reception), HoD sword being strong choice for a 3*
made rifthounds show up, like more of a priority to come out with those mechanics, plus wolflord
then also clam comes out to help kokomi and other healers have more of an impact
not exactly how it probably works but you get the picture
sell solution, then bring out the problem and then sprinkle in add-ons

[vast current]

Her cryp buffing is more than just Quills, though.

It’s also the cryo res shred and the damage bumps from E separate from the quills.

[frigid stump]

well it's definitely possible, we don't know what mhy does

[vast current]

Quill buff makes her < 10% better.

[silent raven]

Why is she only good for mono cryo? I'm sorry I don't understand her kit much