Itto Thread

[reef stump]

Given that Itto didn't improve massively from my Pre-Release Calcs as of right now C0 Itto being ~50% ahead of C6 Noelle should still hold true.

Nah, including the mandatory Support swaps

Itto isn't swinign 20s either

but his rotations are roughly 20s

Probably more like 22s now with that hefty hitlag extension on some enemies

[analog obsidian]

What the fuck

Literally cancels n1 to n4

[steep marsh]

[nocturne sorrel]

what about her n4 combos

her normal swings have more reach so maybe also include the lower aoe swing to even it out

[reef stump]

Now do it with Sac GS double Ushi over double dash

[reef stump]

4x N4D but its tighter, so might be more 3x N4D + N3D in effect

[nocturne sorrel]

hey noelle is conveniently in itto trial for me to test this

[reef stump]

just make sure to time it since Noelle's Q lasts like forever

[somber sandal]

put my wishes into wish storage site
aight so I had gotten itto at 80 pity exact

[atomic sundial]

I did my quest after pulling

so it felt like my Itto went to the slammer

how much of a dps increase is 4pc husk over, say, 2pc husk 2pc Petra?

[reef stump]

Thats what I calced a while ago, can vary a bit based on personal Stats

[placid elk]

hows ittto/geo mc/gorou/ele filler ?

compared to ayaka teams for or hu tao for example

[analog obsidian]

https://youtu.be/U-36TM-WjmY
This looks pretty cool

[somber sandal]

wheezin rn after joining a co-op for husk domain helping playing as itto and sees someone was using sara

primal instinct to remind her she owes him a rematch

then the co-op group gets disbanded

[ornate moss]

to all my itto guys, what are your team comps currently? was trying gorou albedo and mona and the damage was good but kinda awkward to use

[nimble monolith]

Mine is itto, gorou, geo MC, Bennett

[somber sandal]

messing around with gorou albedo thoma (no other shielder and ain't going back to diano she deserves to be shafted)

[ornate moss]

if this aint the entire TRUTH

that 4th spot is killing me cuz of no ZL, and diona is already on my other team anyway

[somber sandal]

[ornate moss]

how does benny feel with him?

[nimble monolith]

Feels more comfortable. Bennett buffs itto's dmg substantially and he buffs geo MC's dmg by a lot.

[steep marsh]

LMAO

[ornate moss]

ok ngl i really thought benny would be bad with itto for some reason, his buff is still really great on itto

he feels a lot more consistent, and the rotations don't feel awkward

[unique rover]

benny makes him circle impact

[somber sandal]

I'm still dying from it

[steep marsh]

people forget that Itto is still ATK scaling

his Q just transforms his DEF in ATK

[ornate moss]

yea i forgot about that

quite nice, i thought it was left as defense

[reef stump]

Benny comapres to C0 Gorou in terms of buffing Itto

roughly

Its just that not relying on Bennett is a selling point of Itto

freeing him up for the other Team w/o negatively impacting Itto

[ornate moss]

i don't wanna be that guy hating on itto cause i love him and his playstyle, but isn't the damage loss w/o benny quite noticeable?

not saying he's unusable without benny, but it feels like a huge drop

[reef stump]

Bennett isn't part of his optimal Team Setup unless maybe Itto is C6 which lets Bennetts contribution outscale what Albedo does

[ornate moss]

what would be the optimal team comp then? i see albedo/c6 gorou being thrown around a lot which is obv, but i feel like there's a lot you could do with the flex spot

[reef stump]

Itto/Albedo/Gorou/ZL

[ornate moss]

ah so full mono geo, to be expected

thanks again

[reef stump]

Yeah, ZL assures the shield for Geo Reso while adding another 20% shred on top

And since Albedo E and Ushi are constructs

he can do some resonance dmg

[steep marsh]

2.4 abyss tho
the elemental shields

[ornate moss]

i'm unfortunately still waiting for that ZL rerun haha

[real phoenix]

can i pop in to show how the two combos look in game

[reef stump]

Thats more Geo benching in general

[reef stump]

sure

[real phoenix]

https://streamable.com/gii35v
https://streamable.com/gy8uwx

[steep marsh]

true

[reef stump]

And if you wanna go on shieldbreak course with Geo

you ditch Albedo first

bc he aint helping

ZL Q has 4U Geo on the other hand

[static mural]

only one side needs shieldbreak

[reef stump]

Looks great

[rigid bay]

I forgot what 2.4 lineup is gonna be lol

[median birch]

How is he when dealing with abyss mage shields?

[reef stump]

All the Bosses and some Heralds

• some Ruin enemies

[rigid bay]

Ah so the only real issue I'd say would be the Abyss brothers series

[rigid bay]

Generally Itto also struggles properly delete an abyss mage shield by himself, so you often want to assist him through means of constructs and just overwhelming the abyss mage shield's elemental strength

It is rather easy to bruteforce an abyss mage shield in general so long as you focus fire your geo applications on it

[nimble monolith]

His playstyle is so satisfying man

[patent galleon]

wont Itto work fine for the first half of 2.4 abyss tho?

its all bosses and no elemental shields

main draw back would be constructs vs bosses

but he would function fine with decent construct positioning

[median birch]

Ahh ic, so he isn't as strong as zl when dealing with shields then?

[patent galleon]

@rigid bay https://streamable.com/b9c3mv considering im coping with Bolide still im quite happy with this (C0 Itto/C4 Gorou/R5 SS)

[unique rover]

oh gosh

yalls damage are so good and for what

[rigid bay]

Yes he will need helping from his teammates, especially as his geo application only comes from Ushi outside his Q, and yes, don't Q to try and bruteforce an abyss Mage's shield, it's not worth it.

I tried it.

[median birch]

Rip unga bunga on shields

[rigid bay]

Yeah that's a rather nice performance for your Itto. As usual though for your case specifically, Zhongli is even more important as you want him retain the RB effect

[steep marsh]

sheeeesh

[unique rover]

how to find mora

tomorrow is weapon farming

[rigid bay]

I can judge from the video alone

It's 60/190 ratio isn't it

[patent galleon]

81/194

[rigid bay]

Ah, close.

[patent galleon]

with itto's ascension

[rigid bay]

Yeah I forgot to include Itto's innate crit

[patent galleon]

main downside is the set has basically no ER (105% on itto), but to my surprise R5 Fav gorou is a bigger help than i thought it would be

[reef stump]

Gotta see how well he deals with the Primo

But mechanically he absolutely works there, even well suited for the Leyine Disorder

[patent galleon]

from what i saw the buff for the bosses on the first half gives +50% resistance right, but can be reduced to -70%?

primo gets innate geo resistance tho, so im not sure how much total it be

[unique rover]

what is primo natural geo res?

[hoary robin]

does the rifthound bleed knock off serpent spine stacks through shields? I'm considering getting the bp for it

I failed on getting redhorn and I have 1 prototype

[crystal isle]

nope

[patent galleon]

+40% geo res

[unique rover]

ah so enough for itto with zl

i think they can carry that sht

[patent galleon]

yeah i dont think he will struggle much against it

[unique rover]

additional 1.1 mult from res after honing

[rigid bay]

I wanna cry

My SO just got Redthorn in 10 pulls

Itto and C4 Gorou

In 60 pulls

⚰️

[patent galleon]

[reef stump]

Itto Comps can get through the RES, yeah, ofc still a disadvantage as opposed to other elements that don't have to deal with another 40% RES

[unique rover]

the main downside is

where is geo res for geos

[rigid bay]

For this abyss specifically I basically bulldozed through the floor with itto

From f9 to f12

Without much issue

[unique rover]

they should make that an artifact or sumn

[rigid bay]

Now I actually have to amp up my 2nd team once I'm done juicing up Itto to the extreme

[patent galleon]

im more concerned with the 2.4 bosses one shotting constructs since Itto cant swap off to replace them. but im hoping that i can place them abit away (with the exception of Ushi) to help avoid that

[rigid bay]

Personally I'm not too concerned with construct getting one shotted

As you play with them, you tend to develop a subconscious mapping in your mind of where you should place your constructs to maximize their survivability

Though obviously as mentioned, having a good space apart from the target itself is always good

It's especially easy for Albedo's flower since his range is quite huge so you can play it to the edge of your active battle field and still contribute

[static mural]

sus cow

[rigid bay]

Me wanting C6 Gorou but have to wait overtime for the primogems to trickle in:

[atomic sundial]

i'm still struggling using itto

[rigid bay]

[rigid bay]

You'll get the hang of it eventually, just to have adapt to his playstyle method

[median birch]

I can't use my pc rn so I'm just playing itto on horrible mobile

[rigid bay]

Lol rip

[atomic sundial]

yea lol

too much playing Raiden I think

[nocturne sorrel]

yea, 50% better than 5N3, 35% better than 4N4

their field time is more similar than i thought, itto timer starts at the end of his animation and gets a lot of hitlag extension

noelle could do another n2 after the last n4 but it doesn't improve her dps

[sharp sinew]

What's the best combo rn?

[nocturne sorrel]

N1-E-N3 C4 N4 C5 E C1

[hollow yarrow]

I could potentially still go for c6 gorou but i dont think its worth it now when I still want kaazuha and yae

[nocturne sorrel]

where the first E cancels your 2nd normal attack

[turbid dagger]

So, what are the chances of Zhongli next patch?

[nocturne sorrel]

50/50 either he shows up or he doesn't

[sharp sinew]

Thanks

[patent galleon]

Nah don’t bother, just save. C6 will come with time

[hollow yarrow]

aight ty

[patent galleon]

Far to many big banners/new characters rumored for the future

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, definitely just be patient.

Save your primos for other 5*s or weapons.

[wheat lion]

He seems pretty good tho. I wasn't planning on pulling for him and now I'm on the fence

[patent galleon]

We are talking about C6 gorou specifically

Itto is honestly a great fun character

I don’t regret it

[wheat lion]

I'm thinking C6 Itto, C6 Gorou would be an accessory

[patent galleon]

Itto’s C6 is pretty nuts

Tony has posted some meme vids already with his

[wheat lion]

I have like 150k primos

so absolutely on the realm of possibility

[ornate moss]

GYATTTTT

[nocturne sorrel]

does he just reset until rng lets him combo the whole time

[ornate moss]

gonna need that stats ss rq

[cursive kestrel]

How is Itto looking like

[nocturne sorrel]

thinner than advertised

[patent galleon]

It’s completely rng

I’ve seen C6 Itto get anywhere from 8-19 swings in so far

[turbid dagger]

Aw. His ult snaps the ATK bonus.

I mean, figured it would but I hoped it wouldn't.

Does his ult snap other bonuses by chance?

[marble pebble]

is it good to use xiangling with itto as the 4th member (3geo 1 pyro) to get perma crystallize

[turbid dagger]

Which are the other two?

[marble pebble]

gorou and geo mc for burst buff

[turbid dagger]

I'd say it'd be better to just go with any shielder you can, like Diona or Beidou, even if they're not ideal.

At least Diona can also heal.

[marble pebble]

ohhh

i got c4 gorou tho

crystallize heals

[turbid dagger]

C4 gorou is uh... not the best.

[marble pebble]

oooh

okay

[turbid dagger]

Crystallize reactions don't heal. It's just every 1.5s with his periodic AoE damage.

[marble pebble]

ahhh i see

[turbid dagger]

But it's fairly weak and only on the active character, so it's mostly just a stop gap at best.

If it was a team heal, it'd be a lot better.

[marble pebble]

true true

i might go with diona

[turbid dagger]

'Cause then it'd at least be good for corosion.

Unfortunately, Zhongli is kinda the only shielder that really works ideally with Itto. Can't even use Thoma 'cause he doesn't rely on normals.

[somber sandal]

dawg I just spent a good time with 2 other ittos crushing the world

shit is way too funny I swear

[marble pebble]

yeahh im waiting for his re run

[rigid bay]

Not sleeping was mistake

[turbid dagger]

I would honestly say Beidou's a good cope shielder 'cause even though her shield's weak af, she procs reactions on top of that.

[rigid bay]

I feel like i'm getting sleep deprivation induced high

[turbid dagger]

But Diona heals even though her uptime's not ideal...

Zhongli doesn't need to care 'cause his shield is perfect.

[rigid bay]

Wait until further calculation comes out for Itto

[somber sandal]

yea for me, her uptime becomes an issue when her shield breaks

[rigid bay]

It takes time for all possible comp assortment to be considered

Even Kokomi took like 2 patches until hers was found

[marble pebble]

her shield is on her burst right

[analog obsidian]

Has anyone tested if itto's SCA hit in venti's burst?

[marble pebble]

havent really played with beidou

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, at C1.

[somber sandal]

but so far, Itto is very fun and cool and hilarious

[somber sandal]

it does

[analog obsidian]

Nice

[rigid bay]

I personally haven't but I have a hard time believing it won't. His attacks hitbox extend slightly beyond the 'spikes overreaching off' his attacks.

[turbid dagger]

Has anyone tested whether his ult snaps anything besides the DEF > ATK conversion?

[rigid bay]

That and he has a unique mechanic that makes enemies that get staggered by his SCAs locked into place, and glued on him so long as the combo keeps going.

[rigid bay]

I have yet to personally but that is only the conversion that goes on anyway, so it shouldn't snap anything else.

[analog obsidian]

Anyone tested does he snapshots sucrose em share

[turbid dagger]

Well, y'know, miHoYo could decide to just be nice and snap damage bonuses. lol

[rigid bay]

[turbid dagger]

But yeah, from my minimal testing, his ult seems to work just like Noelle's.

Which is unsurprising.

[analog obsidian]

Can't switch without losing burst

[turbid dagger]

Oh, yeah, Works just like Noelle's except worse.

[marble pebble]

dionas actually better thanks

helps with energy too

[turbid dagger]

Oh, glad that's working out.

[analog obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/399808441079562241/920550119726776380/image0.jpg

Smol

[unique rover]

why the ghosts look like dookie

[analog obsidian]

That makes it worse

Thanks

[unique rover]

welcs

[turbid dagger]

Cursed.

[ornate moss]

kinda tempted to build noelle to cover the lack of ZL on my team, mona is not doing it

[turbid dagger]

Support Noelle?

[ornate moss]

yeah, mostly for shielding i guess. i haven't really looked into noelle, but i really want to go mono geo and noelle is the only really notable shielder

[turbid dagger]

Support Noelle is not good.

[analog obsidian]

4 nob Noell

[turbid dagger]

Her shield uptime is awful if she's not your DPS.

[ornate moss]

ah fr? that's a shame

[turbid dagger]

And her heals only work when she's on field.

[ornate moss]

even with c6? i know her c6 extends the duration from her ult, but not sure about her other cons

[turbid dagger]

If you have C6, you can build a team around her with her as main DPS, but she basically plays the same roll on the team as Itto and isn't meant for support oddly enough.

[turbid dagger]

Her C6 increases her ATK bonus from her ult too.

[ornate moss]

that's quite surprising, i haven't looked at her but i didn't expect to hear that her support would be bad

thank you for letting me know ahead of time and saving the effort haha

[turbid dagger]

Her only support related con is her C1. The others all focus on improving her DPS.

If her A1 had a lower cooldown, she'd be a much better support shielder.

But because of her shield's relatively low uptime and long cooldown, and the fact that the only way to decrease her cooldown is if she's on field most of the time, it's just not really serviceable.

(She is a solid main DPS and easier to build around than Itto, but she's also a substantial damage loss vs Itto ST)

[ornate moss]

yep, my itto is C6R1 so unfortunately going noelle as a DPS probably won't happen

[turbid dagger]

I kind of wish Itto had his own shield. That'd make him way easier to build around.

[ornate moss]

i'm kinda surprised gorou's constellations didn't allow for that

feels like a wasted opportunity there

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, I'd much rather Gorou's C4 be shielding than healing.

[ornate moss]

exactly! the healing isn't even all that hahaha

[turbid dagger]

A weak shield that refreshed every 1.5s would even be fine.

[ornate moss]

yun jin does provide a shield iirc right? i haven't looked into her as much

[turbid dagger]

No...

[ornate moss]

ah, i thought her E had one for some reason

[turbid dagger]

She does what Beidou (sans C1) does.

She shields herself while her E is held.

It disperses when you release.

[ornate moss]

ah that's what it was

[turbid dagger]

She doesn't fit with Itto either, 'cause she buffs normals and Itto relies on charged attacks.

[cursive kestrel]

How essential is Goro with Itto?

[turbid dagger]

I think it's the other way around tbh. Gorou needs lots of Geo, but Itto's a solid unit on his own still.

But if you have C6 Gorou, it's kinda hard to find a reason to not use him with Itto.

[little quiver]

The best and easiest support to play with itto, level 60/70 in a 3+geo team will go ve itto 20-30% more DPS so pretty essential unless you have a godlike husk set and his signature weapon

[cursive kestrel]

I like that people are saying Itto seems like he can work just fine without Goro because I dont like Goro and dont wanna be restricted around him. But I can understand how a c6 goro is just really too hefty not to use.

Kind of the same package deal as Sara with atk bonus + crit damage for Raiden, but I'm more so trying to figure out how well he does without Goro cuz it's definitely nice to know he's capable of handling himself

Also it would be an R5 SS.

Not getting Redhorn prob

[turbid dagger]

I mean, he'll work best with Gorou, but tbh, it's not like you won't be able to clear Abyss with other comps.

[patent galleon]

you can use Bennett in his place, but gorou's main gimmick is allowing you to run Bennett else where since he is essentially a Geo Bennett

[cursive kestrel]

Yeah def don't have issues clearing abyss, I was more-so wondering if Itto at c0 without goro can reach hypercarry numbers which I think he can but will look into it some more when people figure out more about him.

[primal wing]

Looking at the calcs in pins, the difference between having no Gorou and c0 Gorou is 31%~ and the difference between having no Gorou and using C6 Gorou is 51%~

Absolutely huge imo

Used r1 ss full stacks as reference

[analog obsidian]

https://youtu.be/I-Nsq2Kmotk

[rapid mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWU1NLjOsvg

like, 10 100k hits lmao

[analog obsidian]

My man can't scroll up

[solar leaf]

Hey. Do we have any early math on Ittos team dmg?

[turbid dagger]

Wait a sec. Crazy idea, but Itto Albedo Gorou Qiqi. Qiqi uses clam and sac sword, keeps the party healed, does some ok clam damage off field, applies cryo for crystallize.

[humble rose]

Y’all got any updates?

[humble rose]

ToTM would prob be better than clam there

Since she ain’t healing much off field without burst

[turbid dagger]

That's why you build ER/ATK/ATK, focus on ER substats, and use Sac Sword. C1 also helps a bit.

Battery Gorou in the comp would also help.

[solar leaf]

It could work but doesn't sound over the top. It could be a little better than Diona but everyone has Diona, not everyone has Qiqi

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, I'm not saying it's ideal, but maybe a backup for those that have Qiqi but not C4 Gorou and Zhongli.

[solar leaf]

That's fair

[turbid dagger]

I will also say. I'm not sure how, but I've managed to get C1 Qiqi but no Diona on my account.

[whole juniper]

Is this for c0?

[reef stump]

Good luck with that

[turbid dagger]

I mean, that's not accounting for Fav Bow on Gorou!

😂

[reef stump]

It is

[turbid dagger]

Oh, looked at the wrong column.

[static mural]

never burst

[atomic sundial]

might as well bring totm Kokomi at that rate (?)

[static mural]

people do bring totm koko

[rigid bay]

Jesus

519% ER

[static mural]

itto can hit venti Q reliably

[rigid bay]

Yep it's rather easy to hit him

I mean the enemies

Not venti himself

[static mural]

idk why would you use venti q unless its some quad albedo gaming

[rigid bay]

Personally, I'm comfy with my current comp now so I am going to slowly optimize them

My only issue honestly is the amount of shit on screen

[static mural]

oh yeah, ushi leaving due to the geo construct limit counts as a stack

[rigid bay]

Yes it does but you won't usually be abusing this or able to anyway

As you end up wanting to do two Es in a Q, of which you can't swap out of to not lose its effects in an attempt to overload Ushi with another construct

[turbid dagger]

@reef stump Slightly better but still pretty bad if you assume optimum returns from C1.

[rigid bay]

I had hoped Ushi could be purposefully destroyed by colliding it with another geo construct ala Jade banner on Geo MC stone

But well, that did not work.

[turbid dagger]

8's probably more realistic than 16, 'cause 16 requires your Herald of Frost dmg to hit 2 enemies each time.

[reef stump]

Geo energy gen being so insane that other units just want all the ER because they just can't get enough of it

[turbid dagger]

Since it hits twice per tick but can only dmg one enemy per hit per tick.

[rigid bay]

Playing Itto on a co-op where you don't have Geo to battery you

Is copium hell

[unique rover]

So

Itto can ds

[analog obsidian]

Ds?

[unique rover]

Dragonstrike

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

Basically plunge

[analog obsidian]

Ah

[rigid bay]

Yeah he can

[unique rover]

I don't have any info bout how to do it yet though

[solar leaf]

Yeah but it's bad iirc, you're losing on CA dmg

[analog obsidian]

Yea I've seen Ds itto

[rigid bay]

Though the MV might not be worth the lost damage

Plus unsuccessful execution means wasted Q time

[analog obsidian]

I think itto is easier to do ds on coz tall man

[unique rover]

It is easy they said

[rigid bay]

Depends

[static mural]

its a skill issue thing

[unique rover]

They took it back

[rigid bay]

I rather take consistency and stability

Over spikes of damage

[unique rover]

Can't have consistency if it's itto

[rigid bay]

[unique rover]

Adapting king

[rigid bay]

who needs to adapt

c1 noises

[static mural]

ive seen 4geo rotations where ushi is the opener then zl E>Q

[rigid bay]

wha-

wait

do u mean ushi n then support rot

[static mural]

yea

[rigid bay]

hm

[analog obsidian]

600 ping let's gooo

[rigid bay]

I mean it's a plausible option if you want easy 2 stacks from the get go, especially as opener rot for C0

So essentially something akin to;
Ushi > ZL E (Q if needed) > Gorou E > Albedo E > Gorou Q > Itto DPS window

There might be slight extension to rot time for this though to accomodate Ushi on initial string

Which can be a DPS hit

[static mural]

not casting zl Q and albedo Q ever?

[unique rover]

Isn't gorou e gonna be first before zl

[rigid bay]

If your ZL is built for ToM ADC, then yeah, most definitely Q, otherwise it's not worth the 2s rot extension trying to

Especially in this rot as you're not being buffed by Gorou's E

as it comes after ZL

[static mural]

my zhongli is on 2no2tom r1 homa

[rigid bay]

ZL doesn't really need the buff itself unless you're making him sub DPS, and it's specifically made so that so that Ushi could echo with ZL's pillar immediately to gain any particles you're able to along the way

We don't immediately put down Albedo's as its performance is game changing with Gorou's E before it

[rigid bay]

dank

i wish i had homa

having ZL early on also helps with shielding the supports as you dont want to get bodied while setting up the support rots

[static mural]

yeah thats fair

itto combos feel like hell to tc

[rigid bay]

I don't dare to even come up with my own optimal combo for now, jsut waiting for TCers

Only thing I could do is just

Finding techs and cancels and the like

[unique rover]

I try to copy their combos

And then I end up doing my own combo

[rigid bay]

:OMEGALUL:

Fuck

[static mural]

i try to do some combos but rn the combo my hand allows me is E N4 SCA4 N3 SCA4 E

[rigid bay]

Pretty tight fit there

As a C1 I usually do E > SCA5+ (More if Itto gets hit in the process) > NA4 > SCA5 > E

Though I hate doing N4 as it's such a huge animation

And you could fuck up the flow into SCA

[static mural]

i cant even fit the final slash pepega skill issue

[rigid bay]

U play on pc?

[static mural]

mobile

[rigid bay]

Oh fuck

Oh no

Ohhh noo

⚰️

Yeah I wouldn't be confident in myself to do inputs accurately on phone

[unique rover]

May the wind guide u

[rigid bay]

Knowing me id fat finger my sprint button

[static mural]

haha yeah

cancels are actually hell

[rigid bay]

Rip

In that case id probably just suggest you to do a combo you're comfortable with instead of trying to do mega brain cancels

Which u may not successfully copy half the time tbh

Playing Itto like playing street fighter/tekken

[static mural]

its ok i believe..ill take it as an extra challenge

[rigid bay]

[rigid bay]

I'm waiting for the day you can somehow work an SCA8 into your combo

[static mural]

[unique rover]

If ushi gets hits 2 times during c1 u can

[rigid bay]

Yeah technically

All you have to do is really just make it so Ushi is sitting right in front of the enemies

[unique rover]

Grass on abyss when

Unli ushi stacks

[rigid bay]

It's plausible method because tap E goes as far as SCA dash does, so you could just put a bit distance between you and the target, Q and E, then start SCAing

The only issue is when you're already attacking the enemies don't have a chance to attack Ushu

Ushi

[unique rover]

Should have been

The more ushi waddles, the more stacks gained

[rigid bay]

Kel

Kek

[static mural]

just saw a 2+ stack tc combo N1 E N3 SCA4 SCAF N4 SCA4 SCAF E SCAF

[rigid bay]

I can see this one includes Ushi cancel

While it might be possibly optimized, I'm more concerned that it wouldn't be easy for people to discern how much stacks they have, which could end up messing the first SCA coming out

Unless this is 2nd rot coming in after your first, by which point we have to first assume what combo you'd yse

Use*

[whole juniper]

Got my SS! Pretty happy with these stats for now

[rigid bay]

Oh dank

[whole juniper]

Going from a poorly built level 80 Ning to this is kinda sweet lol

Time to actually be able to win content

[unique rover]

The day mhy puts all types of dmg bonuses on stats (even if just drop down menu) is the day we heal

[static mural]

id have to learn how to ushi cancel first to weave in SCAF..ive done it like thrice so far, im sure the first two were by luck

[rigid bay]

You mean when they converge all elements dmg into one?

[unique rover]

Eh

[whole juniper]

All dmg up% goblet when

[static mural]

woah you have c6 gorou

[unique rover]

Can't talk to c6 gorou havers

[whole juniper]

Yes I got kinda crazy luck with my 4*s

[unique rover]

[static mural]

rob list

[whole juniper]

So effectively 75/215 :>

[rigid bay]

Where is that 2nd final SCAF coming from though

There is no stack generating after SCA4 before it

[unique rover]

I do hope Gorou's next featured is on yae's/ayato's banner

[rigid bay]

As they did an N4 followed by SCA4

Oh wait

2 stack initial combo

[static mural]

[static mural]

so how many gorou cons do you have

[unique rover]

None

[static mural]

[unique rover]

[rigid bay]

Nom how much u got again

C4

?

[static mural]

yea

[rigid bay]

Also Ushi cancel is all about timing, as you want to have the NA animation frames already starting as you do Ushi, by which point it then skips to the next string

Though I say that but

I haven't nailed it myself

[rigid bay]

C6 Gorou in these 20 days

For me as well

Legit game, all I need is 2 gorou

[static mural]

c4 gorou with my trinkle healing

[unique rover]

If I had c6 gorou

I would have

100:260

[static mural]

hes level 20 and heals 218 hp

[unique rover]

Cute just like what he is

[static mural]

they didnt give you c6 gorou bc you would be too powerful

[rigid bay]

Deadass I'd have 91/210

But then again

I aim to get at least

90/180 without any buff

My end goal is ofc 100/200 clean without any buffs

But well, one hell of a grandeur dream

[unique rover]

If ayato was onfield

I mean off field

Unli ushi

[rigid bay]

[whole juniper]

That feeling when you finish building your level 90 Itto, go to work on XL for second team and realize she also needs slime parts for her ascensions :<

[analog obsidian]

Using fates from itto and Gorou and got 2 widsith

Today is gud

[rigid bay]

To be fair there is an abundance of slimes pretty much in a lot places

The coastline of one of the Inazuma islands have a fair amount of them, hydro ones

Also struggle of Itto in OW

When your fucking support rot kills the enemies before Itto could even do anything

[analog obsidian]

Same

[next atlas]

Build another arti set for hybrid itto in OW kekw

[analog obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/rglgym/ive_discovered_an_ushi_duplication_glitch_you/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Hmmm

[whole juniper]

I just felt this - have to farm pyro regisvine to fix my XL; downed it, popped my supports, went Itto to see how much damage my rotation did. Ushi -> 2N and it died 😦

[spark aurora]

any new tech/combo discoveries?

[rigid bay]

Yeah they got a new combon

[spark aurora]

what is it

im guessing for c0

[rigid bay]

Combon Deez nu-

Sorry

LOL

[spark aurora]

[rigid bay]

Jokes aside some TC mentions, as noom said

[rigid bay]

Thus

This

[spark aurora]

[zinc tusk]

ugh I want c6 gorou so bad, currently c4

and already at like 72 into my next pity, what if this is the one time I win 50/50

[rigid bay]

Same here lol

Im at 2 more till c6

Except

I carry literally guarantee

Tho I do have 59 pulls

Before pitt

Pity

[steep marsh]

any C1 combos?

[spark aurora]

[rigid bay]

Hm wait

[spark aurora]

cause i know there was one that incorporated an N2 skip

[rigid bay]

Nothing as far as C1 combo goes yet sadly, not with official vouch or general consensus yet @steep marsh

For C0, there is a few optimals passed out;
w/ gorou combos:
0 stacks: Q N1 E N3 SCA4 N4 SCA5 E SCAF
5 stacks: Q E SCA5 N4 SCA5 E N1 SCA2
Combos w/out gorou
0 stacks: Q N1 N2/E N4 SCA5 N4 SCA5 E
5 stacks: just do the 0 stack one

Credit to jrm for these

[steep marsh]

I see

[rigid bay]

Yeap

Then again, u could technically treat c1 as having 5 stack

[static mural]

lp from itto mains has a wip c1 combo

[rigid bay]

So u can use a 5 stack c0 combo

For c1

Gonna mald

My SO gets

Redthorn in 10 pulls

C5 Gorou in less than 120

[spark aurora]

ah so we're still unsure which is better or are the differences so small that it's a matter of preference/enemies?

[rigid bay]

1 Itto

[frigid hound]

How many stacks does c1 give?

[zinc tusk]

~210 for c4 here

[rigid bay]

Yeah there is usually marginal difference between each combos so it's a matter of using them efficiently

[rigid bay]

2 on Q activation

3 over 1.5 seconds

[steep marsh]

I wish I could go for more cons, but I need to save for Shenhe
and I already got C3 that is probably the best con before C6 anyway

[rigid bay]

Each stack coming in at 0.5 per stack

[spark aurora]

per 1/2 second

[rigid bay]

Yeah that is personally fine, I just want C6 from the get go so I don't have to risk my pity pulling on a 5 star banner featured

[rigid bay]

Oh yeah lol my brain

[spark aurora]

no fancy NA skip for 5 stack combo

[frigid hound]

Wait if u target bull on a boss

How many can u get on a get go?

Insta 5?

[rigid bay]

I mean the heavy thudding of u just whaling on enemies is super satisfying

Why wouldn't u want more

[rigid bay]

Theoretically 6, though 3 still comes a short moment later

[frigid hound]

So u can just proceed to CA spam on the first part

On a ST boss room

[rigid bay]

But thus far it's hard to not overcap 1 stack because u using E as you get into Q is already enough for C1 to set into motion

For my personal experience at least

[steep marsh]

sheesh, third 50/50 in a row

[rigid bay]

My fuckin broke ass with 78 pity

[frigid hound]

Report toro for hax

[rigid bay]

Across the board

[steep marsh]

[frigid hound]

The hutao, hutao, ZL, kazuha part

[steep marsh]

won 7 lost 3 50/50s

[frigid hound]

Report toro for hax

[solar leaf]

Huh

I lost all my 50/50s

[frigid hound]

Thats pretty normal

[spark aurora]

[solar leaf]

Well, I didn't lose one time

On KQ banner

The one time I wanted to lose

[frigid hound]

Im actually on mald mode rn

Imagine getting 2 roll on Er

[steep marsh]

I dont think thats how probability works

[frigid hound]

Probabilty is bullshit now go worship rngeesus

[half ivy]

zhongli vs gmc damage comparison

both seem to be good supports for itto but i prefer zl after testing

[rare pendant]

do you guys have fun with itto?
how the testing
is there something new you guys found?

[whole juniper]

Tons of fun. He throws a cow then whacks on stuff with a big-ass club for hundreds of thousands of damage while rolling out slapstick comedy oneliners, what's not to like

[rare pendant]

hmm looks like im gonna need to wait for rerun to get him
because i can feel ganyu and kazuha peaking in the corner

[steep marsh]

[little quiver]

I did it to see now that history is up, 134 pulls for 1 gorou, 8 Barbara out of 18 4*pulls, somehow a Thoma slipped in, this broke me, had to spend all the 40+ emergency starglitter pulls I had
Jean C2 on the 50/50 so not even C1 itto, probably won't play him

[spark aurora]

its been a while since the main focus on a character has been on how fun they've been to play

[rigid bay]

That is a major ass rip

[frigid hound]

F

[rigid bay]

I guess I should be glad to even have won50/50 for c1 and C4 Gorou, like damn, pain

[languid linden]

[frigid hound]

And this is why I still have not pulled anything

[rigid bay]

Meanwhile some other people getting like

[rare pendant]

well fun is subjective
trying to make comp that do big damage without too much effort is my kind of fun

[rigid bay]

Godrolls

[turbid dagger]

I have strange 4* luck. C4 Thoma in 72 pulls. C6 Noelle in 104 pulls. C2 Gorou in 43 pulls.

And I've won two 50/50s in a row now.

miHoYo was even nice and didn't give me any Barbaras.

C5 Xiangling from C3.

[primal wing]

Does Gorou have any good weapon options apart from fav bow? Sacrificial seems lacking

[turbid dagger]

I think Fav EoSF ER sands is the safe bet to keep his burst up fulltime.

[storm tulip]

it is just fav bow, sac bow or elegy

[steep marsh]

I dont think I can complain about my luck ||even though I got 2 XLs when she was already C6||

[spark aurora]

fk u

[frigid hound]

Rigged

Thats rigged

Toro is Wei's son

[teal sable]

try two barbaras after c6 and still no c6 xiangling or c6 gorou after like 140 rolls

although I'm close

[steep marsh]

[turbid dagger]

Tempted to pull more just 'cause I know miHoYo would give me more Gorou cons.

Scared because I'm worried my streak will end.

[spark aurora]

wait does itto's CA go through the ruin defender's shield

it does

[turbid dagger]

Oh my.

He's like Juggernaut. Nothing can stop him.

[spark aurora]

ushi as well i think

[rigid bay]

The most important question

Does it go through a mitachurl wooden shield

[spark aurora]

[rigid bay]

8 Barbara's when she's at C6

[spark aurora]

havent killed a mita with him yet

[rigid bay]

⚰️

[rigid bay]

Then again if you snag him with one of your SCAs in overworld

Man just

Dies

:OMEGALUL:

Lol istg my emotes

R failing

[steep marsh]

I cant even see the final CA dmg in overworld most of the time

[rigid bay]

more like

[frigid hound]

So uh

[spark aurora]

cant even do the regular combos in any floor besides floor 12

[rigid bay]

playing itto is a quiz game of "WHO'S DAMAGE IS THIS?"

[spark aurora]

[frigid hound]

SCAF Dstrike anyone?

[rigid bay]

I've heard it being passed around

but not sure of the viability considering ASPD buffing SCA4s

[spark aurora]

i canr do it either ways so

[rigid bay]

and therefore SCAF

Plus if you fail to execute it that's DPS loss

[primal wing]

I got 7 Gorou and 1 Xiangling (c4) in like 80 pulls lol

2 eyes of perception and 1 painslasher tho

[steep marsh]

damn

[primal wing]

Yeah it was crazy, I was expecting c2 at most

0 barbruh

[charred crag]

I got my gorou c6 on my last 10 pull after stocking 230 lmao. Almost had to dip into the starglitter from the 7000 barbs I pulled lmao. Spooked by itto c2 but I can live with that.

[frigid hound]

Then theres that guy with c6 itto

And c3 gorou

Oh wait its probably like c0 gorou or no gorou at all

[primal wing]

Bruhh 4 star luck is so fucked up

I'd die if I got c6 Itto and no Gorou

[charred crag]

I think it's hilarious that it took exactly everything I had to get him right at the finish line lol. I'm sad I got c2 itto ~30 pulls after c2 keq so I'm back on 50/50, but can't win(?) them all

Maybe c2 itto will be some better QoL than it appears on a mono geo team.

[onyx junco]

does itto's c2 consider him a geo party member?

[spark aurora]

it should

[arctic pilot]

it does

[ocean island]

whats the optimal attack string for c2 itto?

[hybrid relic]

come back after 1 month

[spark aurora]

use the 5 stacks one on top

[hybrid relic]

his way complicated to figure out

[spark aurora]

[hybrid relic]

althought there is some potential I heard from itto mains

but thats c1

[ocean island]

jsus

[spark aurora]

only c1 changes his attack string

oh and that cracked c6

[hybrid relic]

nah c2 makes his cooldown irrelevant

[ocean island]

yh but c6 is just rng lmao

you could hypothetically swing forever

[spark aurora]

i dont even pay attention to cd

[hybrid relic]

there is possibility you could do 15 sec rotation

[spark aurora]

the rotation flows nicely for me

[steep marsh]

same

[ocean island]

sca define go

[hybrid relic]

whats your initial thought toro on itto

[steep marsh]

he is really fun
and his dmg seems pretty decent
tho I cant say about the dmg for sure, since my Itto is just 7/6/6 rocking a 2Emblem/2WT set right now

[analog obsidian]

Overworld use of itto is tragic coz everything dies with ushi

[steep marsh]

I find that really funny too

[hybrid relic]

do you have any issues with clunkyness. I heard since you cant reposition his CA it could be a problem

[red umbra]

his CA can reposition a bit

[spark aurora]

[analog obsidian]

I thought when we stop pressing SCA it will go to the last slash

Disappointing

[steep marsh]

yeah, I do that sometimes still

[spark aurora]

sometimes sure, but that only happens when the enemies die lmao

when you're in a CA string the enemy generally isnt able to escape

[analog obsidian]

He fucking flies

[spark aurora]

also his CA is comfortably big

[steep marsh]

Ushi is a whole mood

[spark aurora]

bigger than i expected tbh (aoe)

[analog obsidian]

Ushi is my mental state on Saturday

[spark aurora]

who needs a bow

[analog obsidian]

I'm still trying to snipe flying cranes in liyue

[steep marsh]

I wish you could aim Ushi upwards tho

[analog obsidian]

Also did some Timmie testing,yes all of the birds die

[analog obsidian]

Broken as fuck

[spark aurora]

i wish

[analog obsidian]

Ushi hits more than zl q

[spark aurora]

snipe wolflord

[analog obsidian]

I haven't tested itto fully yet

Just lazying around ow

Also ushi is the first geo construct to exist on oceanid's platform

[spark aurora]

ushi op

[analog obsidian]

This is why we can't throw him vertically

The amount of range he could travel

Wait

Imagine if ushi can be thrown vertically meaning more distance,we can use ushi to snipe enemies across domains

[steep marsh]

[analog obsidian]

Now that explains why he can't go vertical

[static mural]

i sent ushi to do some recon

he is in enkanomiya now

[spark aurora]

[steep marsh]

I want a Ushi story quest

[spark aurora]

arataki itto story quest part 2: tending for ushi

[analog obsidian]

Sniping the boss from another plane of existence

[misty vigil]

archive when?

[inland dagger]

https://streamable.com/fob9jk

Ushi Deletes Primogeovishap...permanently

[spark aurora]

not yet, there's still some stuff to polish out i think

[patent hull]

Dealing with triple maguu kenki i cant really live without zhongli and i have to swap out albedo

[somber sandal]

interesting thing I found out, you can dash cancel SCA when its dash comes out but before the slash for a bit more dash travel distance

[storm tulip]

Not really you can reposition a bit and if enemies are too far you can stop charging and then catch up to them, but I had to do that like 1 or 2 times throughout like 50 abyss runs

[storm tulip]

Albedo has always been the flex slot, not zhongli, as always with any geo comp zhongli is a key piece for them because mihoyo refuses to give us more geo shielders apart from him and noelle

[rigid bay]

look at my ratio

[storm tulip]

The uptime on the shield has always been really important for geo, the extra shred that they dont otherwise have acess to unlike other elements and especially for itto, the long duration to accomodate his burst

[rigid bay]

I deadass had a potentially good timepiece with CRT DMG CRT rate and ER

Except two went into flat atk upgrade

I want to literally fucking cry.

[storm tulip]

I had a def time piece with atk% crit dmg crit rate

Rolled 4th stat atk flat AND EVERY SINGLE ROLL from then on too

[rigid bay]

The RNG hell is real

What a life we'd have if we had the chance to reset our artifacts to its original state

Hell, I don't care if it even took your levels anyway and didn't reimburse any

Artifact levels*

[static mural]

i had a double crit geo goblet

rolled into flat atk. everything

[rigid bay]

Oh that's worse

Thank god for my off piece.

Geo goblet from retracing bolide

[static mural]

i foddered it..usless

[rigid bay]

I have a dank defense timepiece except its like ...

Wanderer's Troupe

⚰️

So I need to find an equally dank geo goblet on husk

And make the timepiece my offpiece

To replace the offpiece

Lol lag

Btw @static mural I officially got all elements, electro pyro anemo hydro cryo and physical on husk gob

But geo

[static mural]

husk avatar gaming

[rigid bay]

[atomic sundial]

what I want is just a way to change main stats

[rigid bay]

It is okay

Artifact reroll system introduced eventually, trust

.... In khaenriah.

[zinc tusk]

my Itto already has better stats than my Xiao

meanwhile still no usable crimson witch since release

[analog obsidian]

Real shit

[rigid bay]

Just waiting for Genshin Optimiser to update Itto in

Gorou's already in, but not Itto yet

[worldly mango]

To optimally support Itto,
Should Gorou just run 4p Noblesse?

[rigid bay]

It's less of optimal supporting and more of the only option he's got in a mono geo team

But yes

[red umbra]

u can run exile

alternatively

[primal wing]

Husk 2pc/4pc for more c4 healing?

Regardless, is Gorou a better noblesse holder than geo mc in an Itto/Gorou/geo mc/Zhongli team?

Since he's the only one not doing any damage basically

[spark aurora]

yeah, use noblesse on gorou

[turbid dagger]

I've come to a very important conclusion. We need a 5* shielder that's not Geo.

[ancient pecan]

when building 4p exile gorou with fav bow
which artifact should be the 5* off piece? crit circlet for more chances to proc favonius or ER sands to get more ER?

[spark aurora]

well if you get enough ER, circlet it is

[steep marsh]

good luck with that

[spark aurora]

like ER sands + favo should get you there already, just needs a few ER subs

[ancient pecan]

how much ER does he need again? assuming he funnels all his energy

[spark aurora]

in a 3geo team, 120-130% ER
in a 4geo team, 110% ER

you dont funnel him btw, he just gets burst up without you needing to worry bout it

[final storm]

Does Itto's Ushi un-spawn if you cast it on a regisvine, Maguu Kenki or other boss mob?

[somber sandal]

dunno even tho I've done a few boss fights with him

I think he stays

[spark aurora]

ushi doesnt disappear on oceanid's platform right?

[somber sandal]

He isn't like most constructs as he can be placed on oceanid arena (tho I believe Jade Screen also shares this property)

[spark aurora]

so i assume he has the properties of an entity like guoba

[somber sandal]

It might have something to do with the fact you can't climb or get on top of either constructs

yea Ushi can be spawned on bosses (I fought before Wolflord, PMA, Primo Vishap, Signora, Azhdaha, Andrius, Maguu and Thunder Manifestation. Tho I didn't have any clips of maguu andrius or thunder mani.)

Which is REALLY DAMN GOOD

but give at least some leeway for Isotoma

[steep marsh]

TL;DR: Ushi is based

[turbid dagger]

Yeah, Ushi doesn't seem to have any limits on placement. I was having so much fun with that last night. lol

[storm tulip]

we need more geo shielders is a better one

[storm tulip]

nope, he isnt a regular construct as people have said

also yeah, ushi snipes are my favorite thing in the overworld now

just get on top of a hill and snipe ushi down on some enemies it is so fun

[storm tulip]

nope, jade screen still breaks

[steep marsh]

[somber sandal]

[primal wing]

Construct powercreep

[somber sandal]

odd thought I remembered a vod of screen being able to be placed

[primal wing]

Nah I saw a vid of it today even. It breaks

[storm tulip]

maybe with some bug or on a specific spot, but in general constructs cannot be spawned on moving platforms

it is the same with the elevator at the inn

[primal wing]

You can only put it down on oceanid's arena if you freeze the ground first

[storm tulip]

yeah and it breaks if it unfreezes, that also is true for any water surface in general

[somber sandal]

[primal wing]

Just don't use constructs against oceanid

[steep marsh]

you can still put Albedo flower under water on the side of the arena

[somber sandal]

yea

[ruby tundra]

Got Itto rather early. Should I go for cons, the weapon or just save at this point?

[turbid dagger]

Depends. What's your Gorou C? Got Zhongli?

[ruby tundra]

Got Zhong

and C0 Gorou

I don't really wanna roll for Gorou because I don't want c20 barbara

I do have r4 Serpent Spine. Just need one more battlepass to r5 it

[turbid dagger]

Just really depends on how many pulls you've got left then. You can kinda safely pull for Itto cons or Redhorn without much risk.

[ruby tundra]

I have I think at least 30 pulls?

[turbid dagger]

Oh, you're a whale? Just drop $ and get both C1 and Redhorn.

[ruby tundra]

I am more of a dolphin xD

I only really whale if its a good Return on Investment

[hollow yarrow]

Honestly dont go for the early cons

Its just QoL

But very good QoL so yeah depends on you

Not a must have but its also not bad

-sincerely, a c2 itto main

[turbid dagger]

C1 Itto is really comfy. It's similar to C1 Tao.

[primal wing]

With r4 serpent redhorn doesn't look that appealing either

[hollow yarrow]

yep

tho the r1 redhorn vs r1 ss really did feel like a very noticeable difference for me when i tried it in game

R1 SS is still very strong

[ruby tundra]

Like how big is c1 itto

[turbid dagger]

His overall DPS probably won't be that dif, it'll just make things a lot easier.

You won't have to worry about building up stacks or Ushi canceling.

[hollow yarrow]

indeed

then there's C2 that removes the need for ER on Itto

[ruby tundra]

I got c1 hu toa and it really made a difference for me

[hollow yarrow]

assuming you're running 3 Geo (ofc)

[ruby tundra]

so would it be that big of a difference

[hollow yarrow]

but I think C1>C2 Itto for value

C2 just makes playing itto much more smoother due to reducing burst requirement

the skill cd reduction is kinda useless most of the time ngl

but maybe useful if u wanna clutch kill something and ur burst just ended

since you can use the burst again after 2.5s

[grizzled kestrel]

I'm considering Mona R5 Proto Amber for 4th slot with Itto Gorou Zhongli when I'll need a bit of healing, any thought on this ?
I have Itto C1 so I guess his damage can be frontloaded a bit to benefit from Mona's Omen

[hollow yarrow]

Here's my C2 Itto getting his burst back during his Q duration
https://youtu.be/OJzUxwy1kKU

[turbid dagger]

I think so. It's really just like... "oh, good, I don't have to think so much about this one thing."

[grizzled kestrel]

Maybe that eats too much time from Gorou's buff, so what I gain at the beginning is lost at the end kinda

[somber sandal]

late and already been said but
Itto cons are very QoL(c1 and c2) or just team utility boosts (c4), with c6 being an actual DMG potential boost + QoL
don't need any of em imo since he's very complete at c0 and fun
you can go for Redhorn if you want and can shift artis around to accommodate for the CDMG boost
or just save lmao

[ruby tundra]

Seems like saving might be the best option

[somber sandal]

yea

[ruby tundra]

I don't plan on getting Xaio or Ganyu and I can't utlize Shenhe

so looks like I am going to be saving for a whole patch

[somber sandal]

doubt you want to get zhong cons

[ruby tundra]

Buttttt...

2 pillars

[hollow yarrow]

2 dongs

[somber sandal]

c2 is real nice to see in co-op doe

[nocturne sorrel]

twice the accidental climbing

[hollow yarrow]

C2 Itto really does feel very smooth to play lmao

but yeah its just QoL at this point

[somber sandal]

yea

its big comfy QoL

[hollow yarrow]

and I was pretty lucky this banner

I got C2 itto and redhorn all under the amount of rolls an unlucky weapon banner roller would spend

[little quiver]

I got hu tao C1 on her rerun and for me it feels overrated because i play her with zl so no risk of dying without dodge and compared to jump cancelling it's better but not gamechanging, having her geared up was the hurdle to get her good for me

C1+C2 itto seems like real unga bunga style cons, symplifying everything about him

[somber sandal]

Ushi does get destroyed near Azhdaha tho

[turbid dagger]

Well, Ushi has HP, so duh.

Or wait, you mean he can't spawn?

[somber sandal]

He'll spawn on hit

then is destroyed

so you should get 2 stacks for free

Ushi deals his damage
You get stacks

that's a good deal

[wooden turret]

ushi's taunt range feels pretty small but that's most of the taunts in the game I guess

[inland dagger]

Just got Diluc 30 pulls after itto, the problem is I am at C5 gorou, the risk is terrifying

[nocturne sorrel]

might as well go up to 73

pretty good odds of getting a gorou before then

[smoky rose]

where can i find c1 Itto chains ? I swear i saw them somewhere here but it seems they've disappeared

[stray escarp]

#・faq

[real phoenix]

can be outdated, we don't have a C1 itto to play with combos, but still useable

[somber sandal]

This should count as a weakpoint snipe

[rigid bay]

So I guess we just don't have any actual TCers with C1 Itto

TIME FOR ME TO BE ON- nah

[patent galleon]

Something ive wondered, how much of Itto's rotation dmg does Ushi contribute if used twice per Q? i only ask because the con evaluation in leaks-faq claim Ushi's contribution isnt significant dmg wise. but i feel like its a decent amount.

maybe its just the big funny numbers fooling me

[whole juniper]

I think it's big, personally. Atm Ushi crits for 60k dmg or something for me, so that's 120k per rotation. Comparatively the finisher in the charged combo crits for... 45k or so? So at the very least it's like extending my combo by 3 extra charged slashes at the cost of two quick E casts

But I've never mathed it out so idk

And that's with Ushi at level 6 and the other two talents at level 8 atm

[patent galleon]

hmmmm, @reef stump maybe you can tell me since you did calcs for Itto iirc.

[reef stump]

20-25% total dmg contribution for Double Ushi

[patent galleon]

yeah it felt decent

[whole juniper]

Btw since we're talking comfort of c1, what does it do that's more comfortable? c0 already feels very smooth to me. It removes the need to N3 before charge attacks at the start of ult, or what?

[reef stump]

Frontloading a SCA immediately into your Q which makes it harder to miss dmg by enemy movement

[analog obsidian]

Less time to get the stacks too

[whole juniper]

Right. That's no super biggie for me then

[reef stump]

C1 is minimal as hell

[whole juniper]

c0 Hu Tao actually makes me suffer so I wanted to see what the fuss was all about

[reef stump]

we sure need some practical testing to figure out if there is some notable C1 hidden somewhere

[whole juniper]

But c0 Itto feels sweet already

[reef stump]

But since my Pre-Release combos held up almost perfectly

for C0

The issues I've found for C1 should also stay for the most part

[whole juniper]

Oh yeah, how much damage am I missing out of for my currently sub-optimal combo of Q E N3 Charge until finisher N3 Charge until finisher with second Ushi in there somewhere? Is it big enough that I should get something optimal down or is it negligible?

That combo just feels natural atm and stuff dies so hard anyway

[reef stump]

Unless Ushi gets pummeled well you should atleast do N4 on the seocnd go and end the rot with a single SCAF after the E

Thats is ofc if you don't need to run around during Q and can msotly keep swinging

[whole juniper]

Fair enough, that's easy to fix

Yeah I try to move during normals since dashing mid-charge combo is awkward

Ushi often does get pummeled tho it feels like. But I haven't done a lot of Abyss yet since my second team doesn't exist so maybe there he gets hit less

[reef stump]

The best 2 combos atm are:
Q N1 E/N2 N4 SCA5 N4 SCA5 E
Q N1 E N3 SCA5 N4 SCA5 E SCAF

E/N2 referring to cancelling N2 with E and then skip to the third and fourth swing

[humble rose]

this is manageable

xinyan supremacy

[whole juniper]

So for first combo you basically do 3 normals, but they happen to be hits 1, 3 and 4 of the combo?

[static mural]

can you send over the updated link? mine doesnt have gorou itto yet

[humble rose]

i dont have an updated link i edit mine manually

[somber sandal]

yea I'm able to get off Q E NA3 SCA3 (4 if had built a stack beforehand) + SCAF N4 SCA4 + SCAF E with hitlag extension iirc
tho sometimes it ends up being Q E SCA4 + SCAF N4 SCA4+ SCAF E
still very fun combo to pull off, fitting in two ushis in one burst
(scratch that SCA4 on the first rotation of that burst, looked back at recordings, either didn't fit ushi in or ult ended before SCAF of second rotation of that burst)

[reef stump]

Yep, that allows you to get 5 Stacks, since N4 generates 2

[static mural]

alright then ill update mine

[real phoenix]

i have footage of both if you want a visual

[whole juniper]

Yeah, makes sense. So basically what I do except I'll implement the Ushi cancel instead of normal N3 at the start, and add an extra swing for N4 after first charge. Should be easy to adapt

[whole juniper]

thanks, but I think I've got it 😊

[sturdy acorn]

Two new rotations?:
Variation depends if your Ushi gets hit
#1 Ushi doesn't get hit(this one seems unrealistic most of the time)
Q > N1 - E - N3 > 3CA > Finisher > N3 > 3CA > Finisher > N1 > E > 1CA > Finisher
https://youtu.be/bX-wzH8LMW8
#2 Ushi gets hit
Q > N1 - E - N3 > 4CA > Finisher > N3 > 3CA > Finisher > E > Finisher
https://youtu.be/HnLrmhRQD4M
Significance:
You need to adapt your rotation lol

There are new combo found in kqm thread

Have u tested it yet?

[reef stump]

These look like slightly inferior versions of the C0 combos already found and for whatever reason the second Combo is just worse than the first despite getting to leverage an extra Stack.

[sturdy acorn]

Kinda weird though because from mv perspective the second one seems to be the best

But its kinda hard to pull it off

[kind stag]

C1 seems like a slight damage increase at least from my testing from c0 -> c1

the extra consistency and extra stacks really help

[reef stump]

Unless there is a typo there you give up 1 Slash and 1 N1 from above for 1 Slash below

[sturdy crag]

is he better than hutao or ganyu or ayaka

[reef stump]

MV wise the first combo is basically sandwiched between the 2 combos we found here. Although due to Buff Uptime the upper combo with the lower MV wins apparently by a small margin, so can't say where exactly this third combo would slot in.

[sturdy crag]

how do you hold charged attack with itto

[reef stump]

Same way you do it normally, you simply need his Stacks to do the proper SCA combo, w/o he will jsut do a terrible spinning slash

[sturdy crag]

mother fucker

how do you get stacks

cons help?

[reef stump]

NAs

and E

see rotation picks above

[static mural]

if i owned c4 thoma