#Naught Cat Abyss Help
turbid nova
Okay
rancid tendon
from what nat said awhile ago your raiden's energy recharge is too low
raiden with engulfing typically wants around 240-270 er
turbid nova
Nat is professional ?
rancid tendon
nat is one of the helper leads so yeah
turbid nova
Okay
rancid tendon
another thing is your xingqiu has too much er
you can cut a bit of it for more crit rate
turbid nova
Er is good for xinqui things I heard.
rancid tendon
it is but only till when you reach his er requirements
turbid nova
Although I don't have the er on zhongli and albedo.
rancid tendon
once you've reached it you can start building atk and crit
zhongli doesnt need that much er as well as albedo
turbid nova
Okay
rancid tendon
albedo only needs around 120-140er while zhongli doesnt really use his burst
because it can be a dps loss
due to how long the animation is
turbid nova
Yeah
rancid tendon
can you move around your artifacts for raiden to increase her her to atleast around 220?
without ruining her crit ratio(and by what I mean by this is that the crit rate doesnt fall below 60 and the crit dmg doesnt fall below 120)
while keeping 4pc emblem btw
turbid nova
rancid tendon
do you have an er sands?
turbid nova
Of emblem ?
turbid nova
rancid tendon
can you swap that to her and show me her stats screen again
turbid nova
rancid tendon
yep that looks a lot better for her
i forgot to ask but what sets are xiangling and hutao on?
rancid tendon
okok so it seems their fine
also can you tell me the talent levels of xiangling, bennett, hu tao, raiden, xingqiu too
cus the builds look fine now we should focus on weapons and talents now
turbid nova
All ?
turbid nova
Engulf lighting 60, dragon bane 90, favonias sword 90, Skyward 90
rancid tendon
i thought bennett had aquila?
also you might want to level engulfing to atleast 80 before you try again the base attack and er it gives from leveling up helps a lot
rancid tendon
yeah probably not best to use a weapon immediately if you cant upgrade it to 80/90 so just level it up a bit before you try again
your other units look fine already so we can move on from those
other units I'd like to check for now are fischl and kazuha so can you send me their stats screens
as well as tell me the weapon and sets they're on
rancid tendon
I sent the kauzha status already.
i didnt see it awhile ago so I asked again mb
turbid nova
Okay
rancid tendon
anyways what weapon is kazuha on?
turbid nova
Iron strong
rancid tendon
can you send me a screenshot of your sword weapons?
rancid tendon
ok that helps a lot now
you should refine fav sword to refinement rank 3, and give to kazuha
give bennett aquila favonia and level that up to atleast 80 preferably 90
kazuha's buff scales of em, yes but you'd still need a decent amount of er to make sure he bursts every rotation so he's mostly on favonius sword
turbid nova
That's it ?
rancid tendon
so for now here's a list of things you need to do before reattempting abyss:
- level up engulfing lightning for raiden
- level up aquila favonia for bennett
- give kazuha the favonius sword and refine it to refinement rank 3
- get more defense on albedo since his damage scales off defense, not attack
- get an electro goblet for raiden if possible too since with engulfing lightning she prefers er sands with electro goblet but atk goblet is still fine
once you've checked off everything and you still cant clear there might be a problem with your rotations since your builds are already fine
turbid nova
You haven't told me rotations.
rancid tendon
a rotation for each team that you can try is:
Raiden Kazuha Xiangling Bennett
Raiden skill > Bennett burst skill > kazuha tap skill plunge burst > xiangling burst skill > raiden burst 3N3C N2C (the way to read this is 3 (normal attack 3 times then charged attack) then normal attack twice and charged attack)
hu tao xingqiu albedo zhongli
zhongli hold skill > xingqiu skill burst > albedo skill burst(this is optional) > hu tao skill 8N2C jump or dash cancel(do dash cancel if you're c1, jump cancel if not) then burst at the very end of the skill duration
you can do 8N1C for hu tao as well if you dont wanna do 8N2C
rancid tendon
its basically animation cancelling, you want hu tao to charge attack but you dont want the full length of it so you dont have to walk to the enemy or get farther away from it as well as you get to do n2c/n1c earlier so we do animation cancelling by either jumping or dashing
turbid nova
N2c ?
rancid tendon
N stands for normal attack
N# stands for how many normal attacks you do
C stands for charged attack
8N2C the number before N2C means how many times you'll be doing the combo in this case, you'll be doing 8 N2C
rancid tendon
yes its her most optimal rotation with regards to her stamina which is why the animation cancel differs from c0 to c1
on c0 you do jump cancel while c1 you do dash cancel
https://youtu.be/vQvXUP9WCVU heres a video showing 10N2CJ(this is a c1 hu tao but still can be done with c0 BUT you usually only do 8-9)
turbid nova
rancid tendon
then in this case you do dash cancel at the end of every charged attack, heres a video you should watch and learn from
https://youtu.be/GZj5E_jVPfk
turbid nova
Lvl 90
rancid tendon
Lvl 90
Hi sorry for the late reply (had to sleep early for school and I just got out) but that looks pretty good now that you can focus on doing the other stuff I said + learning the rotations if need anything else feel free to ping me in the thread
turbid nova
@rancid tendon
rancid tendon
Why did the crit rate lower
rancid tendon
Lvl 90
This one is fine already
Better than that one
Its better to run around 250-270er with a good crit ratio
turbid nova
Is it a bad ratio ?
rancid tendon
Anything below 60cr is bad
Ideally you'd want 70cr but 60-70 is the range I would suggest
turbid nova
Isn't it too low ?
rancid tendon
that depends whether or not you're running a crit weapon or crit ascension unit
60/120 crit ratio on a non crit ascension unit/ no crit weapon requires 180crit value from artifacts which is the bare minimum to have to clear abyss and that in itself can be easily achievable while maintaining good rolls on other stats(for example in raiden, having a good er and good attack)
turbid nova
Okay
rancid tendon
here's my xiangling on engulfing lightning for example, she's not a crit ascension unit + not using a crit weapon but I can clear with 70/120 crit ratio because I can meet her er requirements, good em rolls + some attack rolls, even if I swap to catch I will still be able to clear despite not using a 5star weapon
turbid nova
Still long to go to achieve that perfect ratio.
I tried the abyss but it badly failed.
turbid nova
so for now here's a list of things you need to do before reattempting abyss:
- l...
I do the 4 points out of 5.
rancid tendon
abyss right now is kind of annoying because it can limit the teams you are using
hydro units dont really do much on 12-3 first half so its not that ideal to run a hydro unit
and electro unit on second half just doesnt work cus of thundering manifestation
you can still run hydro on first half and electro on second half assuming your other units can deal enough damage to clear but thats another thing to talk about
turbid nova
I also followed the rotations as you said also
Still not close to 200k.
120-130 at most rarely 150k .
rancid tendon
just to be clear this is raiden burst with the rotation I gave right?
turbid nova
Yeah
rancid tendon
and you did swap bennett's weapon to aquilla favonia thats levelled?
turbid nova
Yeah
rancid tendon
and this is kazuha with fav as well right?
turbid nova
R4
rancid tendon
can I ask the em of kaz now that he doesnt have iron sting?
rancid tendon
okok
ok so I just tested my lvl 90 raiden lvl 90engulfing with the same rotation as I gave you, my kazuha em is 710, bennett is holding mistsplitter lvl90(same base atk as aquila favonia so the buff will be the same) and I was able to do 159k crit, and my raiden talent levels are 1/8/8 and bennett's burst talent level is 11(8+3) so you're basically close enough to my damage range which means you'll be able to clear abyss
do note that I did test that out against the perpetual machine array in floor 12 chamber 1 with elemental burst dmg +20% card so the actual number is lower(150k with the elemental burst dmg bonus). make it your goal to reach atleast 150k since that will be good enough to clear the abyss. once you can consistently do that, you can start focusing on your other units
rancid tendon
oh yeah kazuha gives damage bonus based on the element it swirls so if it swirls pyro, it buffs xiangling dmg, if it swirls electro it buffs raiden damage. so if you can swirl both it buffs both electro and pyro dmg. viridescent also shreds enemy elemental resistance based on the element swirled so your damage will be bigger
since it buffs it to 190k you should be fine now that my advice would upgrade talents that need upgrading and level your weapons to max as well as farm artifacts to those that need it more rather than focusing on just raiden
rancid tendon
Raiden skill > Bennett burst skill > kazuha tap skill plunge burst > xiangling burst skill > raiden burst 3N3C N2C (the way to read this is 3 (normal attack 3 times then charged attack) then normal attack twice and charged attack)
if you still have trouble reading 3N3C N2C its basically:
normal attack 3 times then charge attack(do this 3 times) then normal attack twice then charge attack, if you cant do N2C, N1C is fine
if you want you can also swap kazuha and xiangling in the rotation
rancid tendon
CV stands for crit value its mainly used in artifacts substats
CV = 2*cr + cd
for example, this sands(just a pic I took from ghelp) has a crit value of 24.8
cus its 19.4 + (2.7*2)
rancid tendon
CV is a nice way to determine if an artifact is good, for example anything 30+cv is good but crit isnt always the thing you'd want. for example even if an artifact has only 20cv but it rolled to something like em and er, it can still be used since er is really good to help reach er requirements and the em makes it so that the elemental reactions that unit deals does more damage
rancid tendon
congrats!!!
2 more chambers
if you want to have a better start to the next chamber what you can do is, instead of continuing you can leave for now and redo chamber 1 but not care about the timer and make it so that all your burst are ready for the next chamber as well as your characters not having low hp(you can dodge more since you arent taking the timer into account) that way you'll have your bursts up for the next chamber making it easier since you dont have to waste time batterying and getting everyone's burst up. but this is just a suggestion and you dont have to do it since it does take awhile since you'll be resetting chambers
rancid tendon
oh yeah the trick for this one is albedo and zhongli arent gonna deal damage on the first wave but they're there to help break the shield of the geo slimes and geo lawachurl
albedo will do damage on the second and third wave since the vishaps and lawachurl arent immune but resist them
rancid tendon
yeah so what you do is basically remove them as fast as possible with zhongli pillar and albedo skill while attacking with hutao with xq burst up that way they instantly die the moment the shield is gone
rancid tendon
it should be enough but you can try to reset the chamber and get a better time on first half if you need the extra time
rancid tendon
there is you go to the wall behind them
once you reach the wall the first attack they'll do is spit rock then jump towards you, so once you've reach the wall just start your rotation by doing hold skill zhongli > albedo skill > xq burst skill once the slimes land > then hutao onfield
the shield of the geo slimes will get removed as long as they're within the range of zhongli pillar and albedo skill
alternatively you can wait for them to drop before you do the zhongli hold skill that way you can remove a bit more of their shield
heres a video on it
turbid nova
Wouldn't I use the albedo first and Zhongli shield then ?
rancid tendon
zhongli shield lasts longer so its best to have it used first
turbid nova
I mean
rancid tendon
oh something like albedo skill > then once the slimes get close to you, you zhongli hold skill?
that works as well
rancid tendon
eyyyy
theres also a way to group the electro lawachurls for 12-3 second half just go watch further in the video
rancid tendon
yeah it can one shot you since bennett burst applies pyro to whoever's standing in the circle so it will deal vape damage
turbid nova
I never fought this guy in the real world tbh .
rancid tendon
you can dodge the attack by dashing through them or if you want to do so, reset the chamber and swap zhongli and kazuha tho I cant be sure if your second half will be able to clear
rancid tendon
Will you be available after 3 hours ?
i should be, just ping me to be sure and if I dont respond you can ask the other helpers that are around in #・genshin-help
rancid tendon
I asked in genshin help and didn't reply.
hi sorry for the late reply, your question was about dodging the tulpa right?
in the video I sent awhile ago around 28:50 of it, it goes over the mechanics of the boss and how to dodge some of its attack, there are some attacks which he doesnt explain how to dodge but does it in the video. when you are dashing or casting your burst, the character will have iframes which will make it them immune to damage so timing your burst casts allows you to iframe some of its attack which is really important. its mainly just getting used to its attack patterns to learn when to dodge and when to attack
you can also get out of its attack range (for example it attacks with its right hand so you go to its other side to get a bit away from it)