・theorycrafting

[cedar zodiac]

i wonder if AC burst would be better for yanfei

lowers down the ER

[warm creek]

why is it 0b

wait why is kazuha talents at lvl 9/12/12

[cedar zodiac]

fixed

i was pepega when i did that

[warm creek]

[muted grotto]

If Yanfei needs 166 ER I believe 2 EOSF would be better than 2/2 glad sr wouldn’t it?

[cedar zodiac]

but i lose dmg

im already running ER sands

to balance out consistency in all rots

[muted grotto]

Do you?

Oh wait ER sands

Ok that makes sense since sands plus 2 liquid subs you pretty much already there

[cedar zodiac]

yeah, thats why i putted 2 18% to make up for it

[muted grotto]

Did you see how oathsworn compares?

[cedar zodiac]

which sucks cause i also rely on dodoco 2nd passive

not yet

but i believe oathsworn can provide more comfort in terms of stats

[muted grotto]

Actually come to think of it oathsworn might be sus on Yanfei

The uptime on the passive won’t be 100% it only lasts 10s after skill right?

And iirc Yanfei skill cd is 15s

[elder cliff]

two options, either you manually calculate each particles comes within uptime and which doesn't.
Or jsut average the amount, especially if the particle mainly comes from turret type

48% ER right? 10/15 = 66%.
48% ER x 66% = 32% effective ER buff

[rugged spire]

it's 9s

[elder cliff]

oh 9s

noir

[rugged spire]

so it should be 100% uptime

[muted grotto]

Oh I pepega

Idk where I get 15s from

[elder cliff]

burst?

[muted grotto]

That’s 20

[elder cliff]

I got my Yanfei still at 20/40 (for std wish) so don't blame me

[cedar zodiac]

yanfei cd start at 8 if not including the anim

but i dont think people use the E anim cancel using CA spam on E middle anim

literally merges the E frames with the CA frames

[elder cliff]

? CA ccl?

CA cancel?

[cedar zodiac]

e cancel

idk what its called, E cancel or CA cancel

basically cancel out the E frames using the CA

[elder cliff]

so E > CA?

[cedar zodiac]

yeah

[elder cliff]

so E cast (CA cancel) if it's on my book

[cedar zodiac]

yep

you already have the frames for it?

[elder cliff]

from what I see (not framecount yet) the E cast duration is still normal, just like canceling with N1. But you indeed have quicker CA because you save CA's buffer time

so if you have a use case for CA then do use it

I'll leave the framecount to you tho, I'm still wrestling with other chars

or jrm

[cedar zodiac]

i dont know how

im still waiting on kazuha to properly time this comp but looking at jamie's mono pyro klee with the same chars apart from klee and yanfei, the placing of buffs took 10 seconds. Counting yanfei's frames in the rot

EQC = 2
3N2C = 6
EC = 2

[elder cliff]

that 2 6 2 is second?

[cedar zodiac]

yep

from my testing with yanfei combos

EC can be 1 second through the cancelling method, i just put 2 for comfortability of usage

[elder cliff]

1s? 1s++ or really sub 1s?

I honestly doubt it can do EC sub 1s

you know what, I have OBS and premiere already fired up so I'll just take a quick look

[cedar zodiac]

i opened my genshin to check it

[elder cliff]

82f

~1366ms

EC Dash cancel

[cedar zodiac]

1.4 seconds?

[elder cliff]

yeah, thing is what are you planning after EC?

because dash is usually a faster cancel

[cedar zodiac]

looping the rotation back to bennett

[elder cliff]

so swap

[cedar zodiac]

yeah

[elder cliff]

you know how long's Yanfei's dash duration?

eh, nvm, I can check it now

20f, it should be 24f but it's something about cancel mech which can be later

fine, 82f+20f+SwapLatency

there you have it

[cedar zodiac]

still 2 seconds

[elder cliff]

it's quite risky combo, but I can try again I guess. I think I can shave off 10-20f off of it

where skill issue gif

[cedar zodiac]

!!von

[misty thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[cedar zodiac]

my video too big for discord

now i put yt

[elder cliff]

only record in 720p

[cedar zodiac]

i think i did it on 1060p

[elder cliff]

buy nitro

[cedar zodiac]

my gacha funds

[elder cliff]

I shaved 4f, now its 78f

[cedar zodiac]

istg this video upload is taking longer than i expected

[elder cliff]

ping me when it's uploaded, we'll check it

[cedar zodiac]

@elder cliff https://youtu.be/JqyYbiNJQEM

[elder cliff]

ouch 30fps

[cedar zodiac]

my rig scuffed

[elder cliff]

so I see there are 2 instances of EC, am I looking it right?

Yan EC

[cedar zodiac]

yeah i did 2

[elder cliff]

assuming 5f action buffer

if it's 2f action buffer (like mine) it should be 85f and 87f ig

[cedar zodiac]

i see

thats only E cast?

[elder cliff]

both

E C

[cedar zodiac]

ahhh

with swap latency falls up to 2 seconds

[elder cliff]

yeah, more and less

[cedar zodiac]

i downloaded kden just to check it as well

[elder cliff]

wat is kden

[cedar zodiac]

a video editor iirc

kdenlive

[elder cliff]

you can always go the riskier path and do dash cancel and it'll save you like 100ms

for the risk of no CA dmg at all while still losing 50 stam

[cedar zodiac]

ill just stand still

i dont want the last CA to be hit or miss when dash cancelling

my pepega fingers always spamming dash

[elder cliff]

you know I had to try dozens of tries to get that 78f

the rest were no CA dmg at all it's so risky lol I wouldn't do that too

[fluid locust]

Hi everyone, is the new artifact set great/worth farming for Xiao?

[elder cliff]

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[quaint dew]

back to freeze teams

[cedar zodiac]

please go to #・flex-and-salt

Thank you

[cedar zodiac]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

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[frail lark]

guys, anyone have the substat efficacy calc?

[rugged spire]

!!optimizer

[misty thistle]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[broken skiff]

How is the yelan bow for Childe?

[rugged spire]

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[broken skiff]

Ok well if it’s an existing character but a pre release weapon where do I go

Also TC lounge just ignored me

All they want to do over there is talk about burgers 🍔

[earnest knoll]

It's pretty alright for other bow users

[rugged spire]

yes it's a good bow for him

it's better than pulse

[broken skiff]

Really? Is 20% damage bonus and 20% crit damage more valuable than like 50 base attack, 20% attack and 40% normal attack damage?

[rugged spire]

let's continue this in #934173587928133663

[broken skiff]

Alright

[gentle stream]

Are any verified Genshin cc's even allowed in wfp?

Just curious seeing that breaking tos is basically a life sentence

[elder cliff]

idk what you mean by this, but try #・tc-lounge maybe

[spark roost]

is there anyone who can use aqua simulacra other than yelan?

[muted grotto]

seems like its gonna be a good crit stick on anyone that wants crit damage

[elder cliff]

next time, try asking in #・tc-lounge first

[pine ivy]

On kqm site there's info about electrocharged removing 3s and 5s per tick. What about 0.4u per tick, was it wrong or just more general assumption?

[warm creek]

Isn't that because gauge unit and decay rate are connected

[pine ivy]

We can get more ec tick with hitlag

Or it's only a bug

[warm creek]

idk if it indicated it as a bug

[elder cliff]

so how many EC ticks?

[pine ivy]

I mean you can extend aura duration

So it should be possible to get one more

I'm sure I've seen or heard about it

I guess..

[elder cliff]

well if it does extend aura duration, it still consumes 0.4u per EC tick. Probably what they mean is the the tick interval is delayed or smth? BEcause by the gauge it'll still only be 2 ticks per let's say, 1u Elec + 1u Hydro Tho yeah EC is big brain stuff so I wouldn't be surprised if it's another thing I don't know

[pine ivy]

I thought that if ec tick cd is 60 frames(1s) and you can extend auras by 60 more frames when 2u hydro + 2u electro (with just more time), you can get additional tick in those 60 frames

[vale scarab]

Is there a shorthand equation to convert x amount of shred to y amount of damage bonus.

[outer crow]

this is the formula i use for my sheets formatted in a way you can read

if X-Enemy Res>0:
Y = 1+(X-Enemy Res)/2

else:
Y = 1-(Enemy Res + X)

where X is shred and Y is the res mod

@vale scarab

if you want dmg bonus from an enemy with like 10% shred then you take the final dmg mod after you account for shred and divide it by the initial mod without any shred

so for example with an enemy at 10% res initially should be at a 1.15 res mod accounting for VV shred so you take that and divide it by the initial res mod for an enemy (0.9)
1.15/0.9 ~= 1.27

so i guess if you wanted a final res modifier it'd just be

Y = (1+(X-Enemy Res)/2)/(1-(Enemy Res + X)
where x is the shred and y is the final dmg increase from res

[vale scarab]

Ok this is golden! Im gonna play around with some examples and make sure im wrapping my head around this properly

[outer crow]

[vale scarab]

[spring rivet]

does xinyan subdps need to levelup AA?

should u spin after Q or swap rightaway?

[elder cliff]

hmmm try to ask in #・tc-lounge first. Probably many Xinyan mains there

!!questions

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[elder cliff]

ok I need help. I'm kinda having difficulty trying to figure out Raiden's Q cast time. Idk but the deviation is higher than I expected and what I commonly encountered (usually deviation would be 2-4 frame, while in Raiden cast it shoots up to 11f deviation)

this should be on request board but since this is simple matter, I'll just post it here. I figure it wouldn't take you long to do anyway.

Title : Gathering samples for Raiden Q Cast timing
Requirement : Have Raiden. 60fps recorder. Rig capable of 60fps gameplay. Lil of your spare time.
Description : High deviation on Raiden Q Cast duration. I'm trying to figure out whether this is skill issue or something. Need more samples.
Methodology :

• Do Raiden Q + N1 without Burst camera cutscene, do it as fast as you can. (if you accidently went to N2 or N3, it's okay. Just stop there)
• Don't do anything else until Raiden's Q state end (the sky turns bright again)
• Do this at least 3 times (by pausing recording or 3 separate footages, up to you)
  Tips :
• Go to Abyss Portal and soak your Raiden in the water around it. Try to sprint, if you can't sprint, you're already on the right place
  Requester : @elder cliff
  Status : Ongoing

[elder cliff]

#・tc-lounge message

[elder cliff]

they're all good. Thank you

My tests = 117, 119, 111, 111, 111
Radahn's = 120, 118, 122

quite stable on your 3 samples but cast time took way longer than mine

anything above 6f deviation means 100ms deviations and that's a lot

[barren scroll]

oh the name Radahn put me into flashback

[cedar zodiac]

please go to #・tc-lounge

thank you

[lost dirge]

Does beidous ult snapshot?

[outer crow]

yes

also

!!questions

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[wooden belfry]

Hmm, a quick question regarding Yelan's breakthrough barb.
Ganyu's CA bloom has an innate travel time of 0.3 secs, which affects slingshot bow and amos bow buff behaviors. For the sake of comparing these kind of weapons for Yelan, I wondered if Yelan's breakthrough barb has an innate travel time separate from the initial shot like Ganyu. Does anybody have info on that?

due to slingshot's high critrate, low base attack, and potentially 60% damage increase to a charge attack, I feel like there's big potential there, but the difference in airtime behavior can either make or break this bow

if breakthrough barb has an innate travel time, like bloom, then it will trigger slingshot 100% of the time, considering how quickly it blows up

if it won't, and it carries over the airtime of the charge attack, then you'll need to trigger it from close range

[outer crow]

if you have a question that can be answered through yelan testing your best bet is probably dminng uba

[wooden belfry]

i tried last week, he didn't answer

[outer crow]

[wooden belfry]

i don't want to bother him further so i tried my luck here

[outer crow]

yeah i dont really know what you can do there besides framecount the shit yourself

maybe ask jrm to frame count it for you

he might be up to the task

if you find him clean footage

[wooden belfry]

frame counting won't help here

because it's internal behavior

[outer crow]

oh shit huh

yeah i dont know how youre gonna get an answer to that one

[wooden belfry]

like, if we didn't test ganyu's CA live, how would we have known how it behaves with air-time weapons?

[wooden belfry]

probably only on release

[outer crow]

at least it's not something you really have to have much preparations for

just have a slingshot lol

[wooden belfry]

mhm, just have to delay rolling on weapon banner and test this beforehand.

[lapis oasis]

what do you guys think about team Eula, Rosa (C6, 100% CR), Kuki, flex? What would be the best 4th chara?

[cedar zodiac]

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[elder cliff]

I wish I can respond to this but I have no idea about those two's synergy, but afaik slingshot has a very good potential (or at least a good discussion about it). Try in #958681411894792192 maybe. I think Raikh or other mods are considering slingshot potential too

I actually haven't watched (or at least inspected) any of Yelan's footages so I'm completely in the dark about her

[obtuse garnet]

Between tbe 2 which is better? Am loosing 90 ish atk nd 3 c.rate but gain %11 c.dmg ...

Ratio becomes 79/166

I m not quite sure if loosing 90 atk worth 11 more c.dmg or no tbb

also i gain 42 em tho 🤔

[rugged spire]

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[gilded aspen]

So..
Yelan is nerfed
Yelan cant be played with hutao (constellation loocked)

XQ 4* (c6) = Yelan 5* (c2)

Clownverse at its finest

[real steppe]

#958681411894792192

[flint oasis]

is it possible to do a floor 7 hu tao melt oneshot on dbane? says it needs hydro applied but a melt has cryo applied

[cedar zodiac]

!!questions

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[cobalt blaze]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[glacial ferry]

Okay

[abstract phoenix]

What are the leaks on qiaoying village

[warm creek]

perhaps #853474886047629323 is a better place

[north solar]

There's a bug on Ayato E right now that when used near Zhongli E, there's a chance to trigger additional slash/es. Is there a way to test this on Yelan Q if it will also trigger the bug to produce additional coordinated attack/s?

[tiny mantle]

did you watched mtashed

[lost dirge]

Does yunjin gain the effect of her own c4 ?

I mean like,does that buff affect the bursts buff

[rugged spire]

yes

!! questions

[misty thistle]

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[plain rover]

What makes an international team comp ?

[outer crow]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

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[hasty wigeon]

It has to have more nationalities in it than your mom had in her

In other words it cant exist in reality

[knotty patio]

[pine ivy]

[restive gale]

[brave orchid]

[night dock]

[elder cliff]

ok the emote can end here now. Anymore and I'll be handling verbal.

[stoic nest]

can favonius lance passive proc when you hit abyss enemies on shield?

[cedar zodiac]

with shields, no. It has to show the crit numbers iirc

also

!!questions

[misty thistle]

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[hasty wigeon]

See, this is why i deez nuts people. No one listens to us telling yall stuff

[ebon dagger]

pick based

[reef drum]

i have a question; how one start to theorycraft? which data(s) do a theorycrafter usually analyze? how long they test things? do tc'ers evaluate everything or can they specialize in a specific variable? i want to atleast start somewhere to analyze stuff and both want to learn more about genshin's numbers? any advices? where should a person start from?

[humble tiger]

there's no degree for this sort of thing. it's really not that deep. it's simply just taking your favourite characters/comps and trying to contribute with tips and/or optimisations for how people can improve.
from that it can break down into rotation guides, character guides, team calcs, combos, weapon calcs etc. but it all starts from simply having something you wish to contribute

tc = helping people

if you have a team, strat or a thing you wish to share, then simply just find a community and share it. very simple

[warm creek]

I think something you should start with first is read up on the TCL website by KQM

[real steppe]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pXtVldgZQmi6lAsP0_UckSRYcSBHNFRbwfhcufk2RCg/edit# this is something you can read to start

[reef drum]

this is something i was looking for much thanks <3

[sturdy helm]

question, do you think it would be more worth it for my ayaka to have 4pc blizz, with a very bad cd circlet and a er sans, but bc i already have 70 crit rate she will always be critting, or should i shift my build around like 2pc blizz, 2pc glad/shime with an attack goblet and a better crit circlet?

shes going to run jade cutter so crit rate is not much of an issue but i love the satisfaction of always critting

[hasty wigeon]

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[hasty wigeon]

Cant believe i forgot

[hasty wigeon]

Deez nuts

[summer marlin]

I have 190% ER

How much Burst dmg will 4pc Emblem give me

[tiny mantle]

[summer marlin]

I am confused whether the default 100 applies

[misty thistle]

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[hasty wigeon]

Deez nuts need more burst damage

I can and will deez nuts whoever who posts questions that dont belong here

If you want to post have a claim or discussion header for something you feel is relevant

[snow kraken]

I recorded to test the ''nearby'' range to see if aqua simulacra consistently provides the bonus for ganyu and it seems it has enough range to play with xiangling's pyronado range. hope it helps.

[snow kraken]

btw It seems when you quit from the range of deathmatch it stays for one or maybe two seconds bc I see my atk was 2151 when I was a little bit far away from the hilichurls.

[fallen jetty]

Similar to Bennett buff then

[modest basin]

Can anyone recommend any good f2p weapons that would go well with Kuki Shinobu??

[jaunty mason]

since the only dmg/healing you do, that scales with atk is her e dmg, either you want em for the passive or hp for healing/dmg or crit for dmg (idk if thats worth) or er, so you have iron sting or fav sword (sac prob doesnt work great with her continous e and only 3s downtime)

[rugged spire]

#958686317158469653

[jaunty mason]

oh, is my message fine here or should i move it there too?

[warm creek]

it's fine

[weak mountain]

Hi all. I'm mainly a lurker and occasional poster and I've wanted to sort of get more involved in the tc community past my own perosnal calculation. I'm not sure how many people here pay attention to baseball, but baseball has a statistic called WAR or wins above replacement. I know there are challenges to creating such a thing in genshin with plenty of backlash looming, but I was just curious if anyone else would find any value or like to work with me on my project that looks to create a dynamic replacement value for units.

Let me know if you're interested or would like to help!

[elder cliff]

interesting, you have any methodology for this?

[outer crow]

Have you just given up

[elder cliff]

also what kind of variables you're gonna get for the calc?

[outer crow]

Wait is he on some teyvat stock exchange type shit

Sounds interesting

[rugged spire]

idk anything about baseball so

[outer crow]

Me neither

[weak mountain]

I'm on very initial stages of framing this in and I've just recently started working on like a pre outline to box in the parameters as well as set up initial stages on developing the most objective value I can. I just want to ensure I'm being as objective as possible as well as collaborate to get new ideas.

[weak mountain]

Essentially tldr War, or wins above replacement, exists at multiple levels to examine how much greater or worse a player is at multiple aspects of the game including hitting and fielding (individual values can exist for each) the statistic in essence says if a player has a war of 5.4, they've contributed to the team winning 5.4 more games in the time period in which the stat is calculated versus a replacement level player (war of 0)

[elder cliff]

then the 'defining' of win I suppose is 36* abyss?

or more than that?

really curious about the parameters you'll gona take into consideration, or any standard/assumptions there

my feelscrafting says that it's gonna be uber complicated, but interesting nonetheless

[outer crow]

How would you define their contribution to the team though

That sounds like the complicated part

Can’t be dmg because subdps aren’t all dmg but typically are integral to a team

[weak mountain]

More essentially, what I'm framing in is an efficiency for content, abyss included, but more so looking at in situations where all is equal, what unit provides the most within its given role with the same set of stats.

I want to keep weapons and indivdual artifacts separate so a baseline of statistics for a character is required. With that being said there has to be levels of variability given the main stat of artifacts. You can't have one number. Rather than establishing what is meta or the right selection subjectively, I'd create a calculator that would make individual numbers for each situations. I know that seems like a lot but once you develop the framework it's just kind of plug and play.

[outer crow]

Same with healers and support bots

[outer crow]

How are you defining efficiency is my main question

For a particular role specifically

Unless you’re still tuning that aspect

In which case take your time

[humble tiger]

the big issue i'm seeing is there's no way to keep things neutral and unbiased as everything is variable depending on an account

[outer crow]

The best we can do there is normalize characters

[humble tiger]

also baseball has pvp, genshin doesn't really have a good metric to measure for success

[weak mountain]

Efficiency is essentially defined so far as in how well a unit does given the same set of time and investment as other units. Each role will have to have its own sub replacement value given its contribution as 'X' say buffer, elemental application, etc.

[humble tiger]

since its a pve game, success is subjective

[elder cliff]

time and investment. Woah

the rabbit hole isn't jsut deep, it's a black hole

[outer crow]

So you’re evaluating each character’s role based on their class?

[elder cliff]

but there's already KQMC yeah. tho even that KQMC is sometimes debated

[humble tiger]

"how well a unit does", are we talking about c0 speedrunning, dolphin speedrunning, whale speedrunning, low investment clearing, just getting the 36*, f12 clear?

[weak mountain]

Success, or what the measurement looks to define, has to be clear and defined.

[dark forum]

I'd be interested to hear what you would consider a 'replacement' for a role if you've thought about that
considering the consolidation of roles we have rn I wonder how complicated it would get

[outer crow]

So for characters like XQ you evaluate his defensive, subdps and enabling capabilities and multiply them together in some way

[weak mountain]

Yes essentially.

[humble tiger]

i dont believe u can define that in a pve game though since everyone has different goals for abyss and won't agree to a single definition

[outer crow]

Cause role consolidation is huge for characters

[weak mountain]

This is super early by the way. I'd like to point that out.

[outer crow]

How about just 36 star clear

Well it doesn’t hurt to throw out ideas right now then if that’s the case

Get the brain juices flowing

[weak mountain]

I think you're thinking a bit too wide on this. It's simply looking at unit performance.

[elder cliff]

yeah just 36 star clear, you could even make it 'on the edge' 36* clear

[humble tiger]

just 36 star clear is still subjective, since we could be talking about how easy it is to play, how fast they clear, how much variety of chambers they can clear without adjusting teams, how hard they are

[elder cliff]

but then it's still kinda subjective since survival...

[elder cliff]

yeah this basically

[humble tiger]

i'm not. no one can define unit performance based on 1 metric

[dark forum]

I think some metric based on 36* clears of x previous abyss rotations would be fairest(because we have some variety across patches now)
all the rest of the content pales in comparison

[humble tiger]

some golden house people would define it based on how fast they clear. u ask some youtuber they define it by how worth they are primos compared to f2p option

[elder cliff]

right, I forgot that abys constantly changes

[humble tiger]

if this was a pvp game, u could easily just define it by the best scorers. but that doesnt exist here

the teyvat stock exchange failed as a concept for this very reason

[weak mountain]

This isn't meant to define everything lol. It's looking at a specific set of circumstances in a controlled environment and how units stack up. It will not account into ease because that's subjective. I can't measure how easy it is to use one unit.

[humble tiger]

how about this: if you can just give 1 example with a character and how this would look like, no offense but im pretty confident i can break it apart with how subjective it is

doesnt have to be perfect but just a rough example

just give 1 character example on how u envision this to look like

[elder cliff]

oh, you mean there was a similar project to this and it didn't went off?

[outer crow]

Yeah

[elder cliff]

oooh

[outer crow]

The teyvat stock exchange

That’s what it was called

Tried to quantified a units value according to current abyss

[elder cliff]

man you learn new things everyday

[humble tiger]

it was essentially a kqm tier list but a stock exchange version of it. but it was so subjective and half of the teams weren't being personally tested so it was just going off of what other people say

which is fine cause it was an impossible ton of work to maintain but it shows the flaws

[knotty patio]

it was fun project though, right?

[weak mountain]

I'm sure you could attempt to break it and succeed given it's in the very initial stages, given it's conceptual at most right now. But like the idea isn't off the ground yet and you'd rather tell someone why it won't work. Everything that's wrong with it. I'm here looking for collaboration and help framing the idea, not limit testing it yet.

[knotty patio]

it failed early on when we had little chars, no we have near 1.4x more so it would be really hard to update

[elder cliff]

is this like "Maybe the real treasure was the friends we made along the way"?

[knotty patio]

[humble tiger]

oh dont misunderstand, im not trying to be negative. im just pushing back on the fact that there is no way to define unit performance

[weak mountain]

That's our point disagreement, which I can respect if you don't agree.

[humble tiger]

here's an example, iwtl and tenten clearly play the game in two different ways. do u think they define unit performance with the same parameters?

[weak mountain]

But how you play the game is subjective. How units perform on a neutral field isn't.

[humble tiger]

they are both inherently linked

[weak mountain]

In my mind there is a progression.

[knotty patio]

wouldn't that just be dps ranking at this point

[vale scarab]

the game isnt an even field though

assumptions always have to be made

[weak mountain]

This initial stage is looking to set the framework.

[humble tiger]

the biggest assumption is what metrics a person actually cares about for character performance

to elaborate on my previous example
shenhe is a agreed upon to be a direct upgrade for ayaka freeze teams in general content, compared to a rosaria or kaeya.
iwtl will say she is valuable because she is the bis. he is interested in how fast teams can clear
tenten would disagree and say a $200 for a small upgrade is not valuable. he is interested in how much money a f2p player can save

who's definition of performance is right?

[weak mountain]

The entire thing is meant to measure replacement value as a measure of character performance. Lol

I think you're taking replacement value the wrong way.

[humble tiger]

i did mention earlier, it would be helpful if you could give an example on what this would look like, with 1 character

[weak mountain]

Yeah once I'm able to get calcs rolling it may be easier for everyone to understand.

[humble tiger]

but what exactly are u calcing?

[weak mountain]

I'll have a writeup with my information and I feel like that point is the best to open up for feedback and criticism where as here I'm barely off the ground 😅

[dark forum]

I wonder if we could somehow incorporate both views into a single framework
like you have a slider for the weight of DPS and one for investment(primos/resin/etc)

let it give a measure on a case by case basis somehow

[humble tiger]

yeah thats probably the best idea. but like a few ppl have mentioned, this isn't the first time ppl have tried a concept of rating characters, and unfortunately they've all fallen apart due to subjectivity

but if you have some calc method, maybe it can help explain things better

[humble tiger]

nah u can't. cause theres still many more belief systems that people have in the abyss. for example terrapin and zakharov iirc used to prefer high floor characters and teams. and theres many more

a god tier team to him was like sucrose taser or yanfei overvape cause the investment (and skill) required to get someone their first 36* clear seems very low

[dark forum]

That's exactly what I mean. This is how I envision it kinda:
you give your preferences as a number into the function, including skill floor as you said
something like "on a scale of 1 to 5, how much do you value ease of play?"
and you get a array of values for how 'optimal' characters are for your current lineup
of course it would never be perfect, but I'd like to think it would be better than current tier list meta

[humble tiger]

right, but the issue with that then becomes, who's testing all this. is someone gonna test every team at multiple levels of investments?

or are they just gonna take shortcuts and feelscraft how well a team/unit performs

because its impossible for someone to have played and tc'd every viable team

[dark forum]

I didn't think about that

[elder cliff]

well, we haven't even going to the data collection yet. I'm still curious about what variables are in play here

DPS/Heal Number/DPR/Staminamanagement/Shield durability/yada yada yada?

[humble tiger]

they said they'll get back with the calcs and parameters at a later point

[elder cliff]

sure, interested in the methodology anyway

[humble tiger]

but like i said, not trying to be an ass but im almost certain it will be subjective stuff and borderline feelscrafting

and can therefore be broken apart

[elder cliff]

honestly this project ain't easy feat by the looks of it. It might be alright if he starts it slowly by looking at smaller scale

probbably just like... freeze/cryo team

by the team or gameplay/playstyle maybe

[humble tiger]

i dont see how theres a calc you can do to assess that

[elder cliff]

me neither, but who knows he might came up with a great idea

[humble tiger]

im guessing it could have been going by avg clear times on the abyss site, but then clear times are relevant to performance for how many people?

(ignoring sample size etc)

[elder cliff]

well, at least there's a definitive parameter going on. It might not be for 'everyone'. But it puts a baseline

[humble tiger]

(also ignoring different investments and skill issues)

[humble tiger]

right, but what about teams that clear slightly slower but u didn't have to retry multiple times? how would someone calc that

isnt that another measure of performance

[elder cliff]

it is, probably under ease of use or consistency or something

[humble tiger]

ok, but how will someone rate teams on those metrics. are they going to test each team?

and also does ease mean easy rotations, or does it mean strong shield with lots of healing

[elder cliff]

well, not only easy rotations, probably even factoring in messing up the rotation. somethine like if you made the wrong rotation, how much the impact would be

[humble tiger]

so someone would have to calculate dps dropoff for inprecise rotations?

[elder cliff]

that's gonna be a bummer to try to 'score' it tho, that's why I'm just clueless as you are

[humble tiger]

also what if the person doing this rating does not have access to every unit?

[vale scarab]

i liked the teyvat stock exchange

[humble tiger]

are they just going to do shortcuts and say, "oh hu tao is hard to play right? so we mark her down low for that"

[elder cliff]

well, there's GCsim, there are also people capable of sheeting, but boy that's gonna take a lot of brainpower and manpower to try all of those combinations

it takes a lot to convince them to test that all out

[humble tiger]

what about klee? how many people haven't even played mono pyro but will happily say that she is hard to play

how could we trust that unit performance review

[elder cliff]

yeah ease of use is subjective you mean

[humble tiger]

i mean yeah, its almost all subjective lol

everything about a "unit performance" is subjective

and ultimately, sounds like a ton of work regardless so at the end of the day it might not even happen

as u mentioned

[elder cliff]

well, I might want to see the methodology first before saying anything honestly. But before that I can't see myself doing anything before the bases are laid out. That's from me

[humble tiger]

as harsh as this is, ultimately theres a reason people either do dogshit tier lists or they just dont give an opinion at all.
it's impossible to have any noteworthy assessment without it being subjective

[elder cliff]

it's not a small project, even on the smallest scale. But I can see the idea/intention

[humble tiger]

yeah i know, i didnt wanna be harsh but thats why i was pushing for an example of what they were planning

to try and find holes in it

i dont want to discourage someone new to tc, but also, theres a reason why topics of tier lists or character reviews trigger a lot of ppl on this server.
so much subjectivity and unescapable bias

[elder cliff]

it brings discussion, that's why it's allowed

unless they just shitposting then !!bonk is coming their way

most of the time the discussion from tierlist triggering actually is quite civil, kinda proud of the community for that

[humble tiger]

yeah its allowed. but doesn't change that this is a pve game with no single goal

[elder cliff]

well it's great that we don't have that leaderboard mech in the game. People can just play whatever the heck they want and set the goal whatever they desire

but when the question arise of "I only have this much, but I have this goal, what should I do?" then the comparison gets into play

heck, if the goal is to speedrunning artifact runs, I'd put Sayu in S tier

it's cool that we don't ahve a definition of 'win' in this game. I mean most people even don't do abyss

[spice hound]

How do you see this rotation?
Beidou EQ
Childe rQ
Sayu E
Fischl E/Q
Sayu Q
Childe E stance (10-12s)
Sayu E
[ ]

I won't be able to test for myself in the next few hours to see if the cool-downs will add up, tried to fit another Beidou E but i don't see space for it. Rn i'm mostly trying to see what the ER needs for this comp would look like (C6 Fischl, C6 Sayu, C1 Childe)

[spice hound]

Update: the rotation is very consistent as it is so probably won't be adding anything else, prioritizing a second Sayu E to have more VV uptime.

[hasty wigeon]

Rq childe there is prob not a good idea

Wastes animation tim

Just do childe e swap thats 2u, and a common setup for a lot of childe first rot swirls

Also youre losing a shitton of bei procs

[spice hound]

Could do Childe E swap instead there and weave in some autos with Childe and Fischl in that part, then do Childe rQ right before the second Sayu E

[hasty wigeon]

Just dont pop so many abilities during beidou's uptime

[elder cliff]

could you weave some AAs there? Just like pick said, wastes too many Bei's uptime there

[spice hound]

Oh ya this is what i have now
Beidou EQ
Childe N1EN1
Sayu E (short hold)
Fischl N1E/Q
Sayu Q
Childe E stance (10-12s)
Childe rQ
Sayu E (short hold)

[outer crow]

no team buffs

interesting

[spice hound]

Yeah no other than VV, could use Kaz for more damage, or replace Beidou with Sara like in the comp Maxi sheeted with Ayato instead of Childe

but i'm not really aiming for that kind of damage

[elder cliff]

wellno buff but essentially there're 3 DPSes there

all muscle there

[spice hound]

Yeah and thinking about it, Childe doesn't really abuse buffs as much as other units anyway

[pine ivy]

In terms of versatility and stuff
Shenhe or Kazuha for Ayaka? Because I’m currently maining her and I’m not sure whether shenhe or kazuha bevause if I go for shenhe I’ll miss out on kazoo buff and if I go for KAZUHA I might place him with Tao so it might ahhh
If I get Kazuha it working better with ayaka but tao then has to suffer with sucrose :(

[pine ivy]

OHH wait I’m so sorry I got them mixed up

I just asked abyss stuff here before and I was like ahh…

[hasty wigeon]

No mercy for the wicked

Deez nuts shall find you all

[outer crow]

at least this one apologized

instead of just disappearing

[hasty wigeon]

Thats why i didnt ping

[outer crow]

wait you cant react in this chat?

[hasty wigeon]

Its schrodinger's nuts, whether the recipient got dned or not is based on the 50/50 chance of them opening this channel again, which is better than the 100/0 chance afforded to everyone else

[outer crow]

i would react to both of your texts

if i could

is that actually a setting

what the fuck

it's mod privilege

bullshit

[hasty wigeon]

Mod abooze

[gritty linden]

hoyoverse testers are so enthralled with buffing yelan that even splash arts are getting buffed. And cookie forgotten to oblivion.

[zealous eagle]

[warm creek]

not here

[quick rapids]

is it possible for an ayato to hit 90-100k slashes with jade cutter?

[elder cliff]

!! questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization for existing characters, please head over to #・genshin-help .
• For other spreadsheet/calculation related questions or questions about pre-release characters, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current pre-release character’s tc channel.

[elder cliff]

incoming DN from Pick

[hasty wigeon]

Gimme a sec azure

I need to come up with a yourmom joke

Wait a minute this is ayatoe isnt it

He already did the joke

And your mom as well

My job has been done for me

[gritty linden]

for tony and his fwends build, yeah. for everyone else

[radiant sail]

got a question, is it okay to mix in vape and melt reactions?

like for example, i have a cryo, pyro and hydro on a team

[spice hound]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization for existing characters, please head over to #・genshin-help .
• For other spreadsheet/calculation related questions or questions about pre-release characters, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current pre-release character’s tc channel.

[spice hound]

Generally these elements benefit more just having 2 of them + probably an anemo buffer. Pyro messes up freeze.
For the amp comps, the vv buff + the extra buff an anemo like Suc/Kaz can give you will outscale the chance of dealing 2x instead of 1.5x damage 30% of the time (on average, 30% is the case for Hu Tao at least).

[timber topaz]

hey does anyone have an ayaka con damage % spreadsheet? Like this

[rugged spire]

https://keqingmains.com/ayaka/#Constellation_Breakdown

should be in the ayaka guide

[timber topaz]

Ty!

[gentle stream]

can anyone make an argument for mono hydro childe?

[rugged spire]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization for existing characters, please head over to #・genshin-help .
• For other spreadsheet/calculation related questions or questions about pre-release characters, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current pre-release character’s tc channel.

[gentle stream]

...ah nvm

[hasty wigeon]

Deez nuts

[hasty wigeon]

Hes excellent on deez nuts

[rustic apex]

It’ll be better with yelan instead of mona https://youtu.be/u_n48vhv2Pw . You could replace Childe with Ayato as well. Childe is fine but you really have to manage that cooldown and then whos onfield in the meantime ?

[outer crow]

honestly at this point why not just rename the channel deez nuts

[gentle stream]

tch. figured. I really dont wanna invest in childe again, bc his personal dps is so low compared to my other mains

[hasty wigeon]

would make it get less traffic, im for it

[gentle stream]

although i could've grabbed ayato, i didnt really like him that much. That's on me.

[hasty wigeon]

but i get overruled so often

[outer crow]

[rustic apex]

Childe personal dps can be surprising in multi target if you frame count it.

[outer crow]

the only downside is that people who are actually looking for tc for actual tc would probably miss it pretty easily

but honestly that's like 1/20 times or something

just a suggestion to see if it works rename tc-lounge to ttheorycrafting lounge

and see if that helps at all

and rename theorycrafting to tc

[fading light]

Maybe change this to "Theorytesting" because for what i can gather out of the questions
is people that used to go to the "old" theorycrafting not knowing it changed

[outer crow]

that might work too

my theory is that people look for the key word theorycrafting and just go to whatever channel they see has that first to get their questions answered

and if they actually bring up a topic that warrants discussion in the actual tc chat in the lounge chat then people will just redirect them to the actual tc chat

if this idea is true you could rename the theorycrafting channel to anything and as long as the tc lounge redirects them to the actual tc chat

could actually be deez nuts and it wouldnt matter

[fading light]

Depending on the question most would awnser them im tc lounge, unless they asked during a "random talk" and gets buried

Otherwise i feel that keeping redirecting to ghelp instead is the way to go, until the old way of coming to tc to ask questions gets changed on the brains of casual askwrs

Albeit the fact the a lot of the askers do so when the message from the bot its right there infront of them and they still ignore it
Its...

[outer crow]

Yeah those are the real moments

I mean there isn’t all that much traffic in this chat though tbh

Most of the time they come here when it’s dead and someone redirects them

[vale scarab]

Since childes bread and butter is AoE This makes me wonder at how many enemies does Yelan hold E become a good gap filler in this hypothetical team.

[signal breach]

A thing to keep in mind about Yelan Hold E is that the cd only starts after you end the ability. So if you dash around for 3s you effectively incur a 13s CD on the ability, which could hamper your ability to use it twice per rotation if that would be the plan in a more quick-swappy team.

[strange sequoia]

at least it seems u can cancel it at anytime with anything so it shouldn't have a ending animation if u do it right

im pretty sure u will even use hold E vs a ST if u want to E>Q since that tap has an ending animation

[gentle elbow]

Will aqua simulacra works well with Yoimiya?

[warm creek]

it should, also

!! questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization for existing characters, please head over to #・genshin-help .
• For other spreadsheet/calculation related questions or questions about pre-release characters, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current pre-release character’s tc channel.

[hasty wigeon]

itll work nicely with my nuts on her if thats what you mean

[muted grotto]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CYDcZGz6BPBztg8XKLx22Inn_ezToM6Z5_d1xV6IY4Q/edit?usp=sharing working on sheet for Xinyan shield values need opinions on how it look if I can make sheet better or not

[rugged spire]

why are some of the numbers in a different font

[muted grotto]

ive no idea

[rugged spire]

also I think you should format the number to have 2 digits after the period

looks cleaner that way imo

[muted grotto]

done

[rugged spire]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[muted grotto]

need to add whiteblind and its stacks

[rugged spire]

[rustic apex]

Idk if this will be helpful or not but

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/15EC91O05E50puBkGWzO98iQG6RxHmi6j0nxwqjGdGd4/htmlview#

Zakharov did a shield calc a long time ago

[timber topaz]

does Chongyun still proc the 20% CR buff from blizzard freezing if he shatters a frozen enemy?

[warm creek]

it procs on the dmg that triggered the shatter

!!questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization for existing characters, please head over to #・genshin-help .
• For other spreadsheet/calculation related questions or questions about pre-release characters, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current pre-release character’s tc channel.

[trail widget]

Which is better for beidou? r5 rainslasher or r5 sealord? sucrose ayato fischl beidou

all the calcs I found is just for r1 rainslasher

dunnon if anyone did calc for rainslaser at r5

[dusty osprey]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization for existing characters, please head over to #・genshin-help .
• For other spreadsheet/calculation related questions or questions about pre-release characters, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current pre-release character’s tc channel.

[hasty wigeon]

Reject beidou, embrace deez nuts

[smoky wedge]

Thoughts on intensified and overgrown?

[crimson thorn]

Im very excited to see how much intensified will buff electro

I was praying for dendro to buff electro and it actually happened

[smoky wedge]

Yeah

[crimson thorn]

the particle thing is eh tho, I feel like just making a copy pasta of the electro resonance is boring

[smoky wedge]

Overgrown seems good too tbh

[crimson thorn]

yeah its probably gonna be mandatory to use hydro for dendro dps' what do you say

[smoky wedge]

Probably

[crimson thorn]

I guess ayatos ult value just skyrocketed

[smoky wedge]

Overgrown will scale with em right?

I’m guessing stringless childe dendro will be a good combo if that’s the case

[tepid pendant]

Sooo can intensify actually be on par with melt and vapo?
Cuz if not I'm going to be mad
I keep spamming them buff electro dmg reaction on every survey

[crimson thorn]

I wonder tho, is the dendro explosion based on the hydro unit? since the hydro triggers the explosion

[crimson thorn]

I hope so

[smoky wedge]

I’m guessing it’s gonna be like superconduct

But idk tbh

[crimson thorn]

its what electro needed, its the only element from the 4 base ones that doesnt have a big reaction

[crimson thorn]

yeah

reaction itself wont do much dmg most likely

[tepid pendant]

If its going to be like superconduct
I guess its fair

[smoky wedge]

Its probably based on the trigger no?

[tepid pendant]

I just want it to atleast be competitive enough so peeps won't look down on us electro mains

[smoky wedge]

Tho if it has a multiplier like vape or melt it’s gonna be kinda broken tbh

[knotty patio]

electro is alrd top competitive idk what u guys are about

[tepid pendant]

Im sick of all the ganyu and hutao mains who keep looking down on us just cuz they can do melt

[crimson thorn]

a fellow electro enjoyer I see

[crimson thorn]

raiden carry

[knotty patio]

tasers too

[tepid pendant]

Most peeps would just go full vapo and melt instead of something like electro charge

I mean when was the last time peeps prefered Keqing and Beidou comps over national teams

[lapis karma]

Well, they do prefer raiden teams over national

Especially the hyper

Taser is always a comp that stays popular too

[tepid pendant]

well electros except "Raiden" cuz everyone knows Raiden's scalings are high

[shrewd blaze]

Beidou is always insane when in not boss content

[tepid pendant]

its the same with Xiao on anemo and Eula on phys
but the diff is Xiao is using a supp element and Eula is using a non reaction type of dmg

[lapis karma]

Eh, neither xiao or eula are as good as lots of people think

[tepid pendant]

electro is an offensive element anyways that's why I keep spamming them to buff it on every survey

[lapis karma]

And taser is a very strong core regardless

[tepid pendant]

yah but how many peeps would prefer this over national team?
even if they changed the abyss to favor taser they would still revert to vapo and melt once it resets again

[lapis karma]

More people preferring it does not mean it is better per se

Most of the playerbase is sadly plain bad at this game

Which is fine because its a casual game

[shrewd blaze]

National isn't that good in places where overload hurts tbh
Like the double wolves double vishaps last 12-1

It can surely do great ofc but u get the idea

[tepid pendant]

been playing this game without Bennett and Xingqiu and I get called out cuz I don't like them
yet I can still get by with just my electro charge and freeze comps

is it just me? or is the playerbase just bad

[lapis karma]

There are good comps without bennett or xq indeed, but they open up a lot more different teamcomps

Thats why they are liked a lot

[tepid pendant]

it just saddens me cuz peeps would always call us bad for not using vapo and melt comps

[warm creek]

[low shale]

Melt comps arent even that good tbh, compared to other comps of course

[pine ivy]

Is it worth leveling Venti or Xinagling from 80 to 90

[fleet flare]

Venti is worth it, Swirl is a transformative reaction and scales with both EM and his level

[pine ivy]

Late reply but thanks

[fluid swift]

I find the massive disconnect between more casual folk vs TC stuff to be a bit too jarring

Too many people look at electro and think "yeah this is bad" without even trying to be objective just because someone on tiktok does 600k on their hutao from stacking buffs doesn't mean amp is always the best option

[rustic apex]

Issue is a lot of tc acts like there is infinite enemy hp lol.

[fluid swift]

I think that's where the giga nuke stuff falls into though, almost all electro based teams excel at taking down waves due to how the damage comes out

[low shale]

this event is a great example tbh

Beidou is doing a lot of work for me this event, while my Homa C1 Tao is on the bench

[steel mesa]

hi hii anyone have a comparison built with shimenawa, echoes, and crimson for yoimiya?

[devout cliff]

https://discordapp.com/channels/791074691841523742/834184944674537493/945703700284989471

[faint zenith]

That dendro electro reaction could be so juicy for mixing up comps

Esp with raiden

I do wonder if it’s going to be res decrease or % bonus

[elder cliff]

ok, this isn't really the place for that kind of TC-leaks. You can continue either in #・copium or #・tc-lounge

[faint zenith]

Ah, thanks

[west talon]

Can anyone explain to me the yae x dendro leaks??? I heard it produces a particle every reaction so yae has no more ER issues???

Yae raiden koko dendro?????

[zealous eagle]

we know nothing

[elder cliff]

#・sakura or #・tc-lounge , go.

!!questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization for existing characters, please head over to #・genshin-help .
• For other spreadsheet/calculation related questions or questions about pre-release characters, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current pre-release character’s tc channel.

[modern coral]

Depending on scaling could a new variant of soup work?
Like lets say ayato,fischl,dendro unit and xianling?

[spice hound]

We don't have enough info to guarantee it but it's pretty promising (xiangling there seems sus bc of er requirements though). Also try making this kind of questions in #・tc-lounge first

[modern coral]

alright !

[hasty wigeon]

yae consumes dendro, dendrills deeznuts

[rustic apex]

https://youtu.be/hXB5Qrt6jpg so pyro aura stays forever with dendro ?

[warm creek]

burning ticket in kqm proves this I think, as long as you have dendro reapplied enough you can burn for a long time

[rustic apex]

Does that open new opportunities for melting ?

Since cryo doesn’t interact with dendro

[warm creek]

As long as cryo application doesn't exhaust the pyro gauge

i think it was 2u

burning reapplies 2u pyro

[rustic apex]

How often ?

Cuz those ticks are pretty fast

[warm creek]

every 0.25s

so pretty rare

chance of exhausting*

[rustic apex]

They have burning as spreads as well right ?

[warm creek]

yes it spreads

as long as nearby stuff has dendro on them

[rustic apex]

That sounds abuseable af lol

Yeah

[warm creek]

1.6 to be exact because of tax

[rustic apex]

Ahhh thanks for clarifying the details

[warm creek]

no worries

if you want to read up more about it

[rustic apex]

I hadn’t seen much work on dendro but ofc wtf is dendro enemies besides over world and abyss 10 lol

[warm creek]

https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/combat-mechanics/elemental-effects/transformative-reactions

burning ticket is at the bottom

[rustic apex]

Thanks !

[faint zenith]

that's kinda bonkers

[rustic apex]

Burning also seems to be double dmg when standing next to a burning thorn wall while burning.

::thinks about burning in venti Q 🤤 ::

[crimson burrow]

Hey, would Raiden prefer having 300% ER and lower crit ratio or lower ER and higher crit ratio

[hasty wigeon]

She would prefer deez nuts in your mouth

[crimson burrow]

Had it coming lmao

[steady beacon]

This is very speculative and kinda copium but I think vape-growth could very much be a thing were icd Pyro application wouldn't matter as much for example:
With a Dendro unit and an Hydro on field like Ayato and and off field Pyro(Thoma might be a good choice since he is so undervalued)here Dendro+Hydro causing overgrowth can be a continuous supply for Dendro which can be further used to drive overgrowth and burning with Pyro from the of field unit which you can forward vape as well
If this will work on or greatly depends on the Dendro and Pyro application from overgrowth and burning as of now this is just a speculation

[pine ivy]

XL buff

[hasty wigeon]

was going to deez nuts

thanks puffy

[hearty cairn]

Does anyone have sheets for yoimiya weapons??? and unrelated to the first question does aqua simulcra look any good on yoimiya???

[clever phoenix]

this is from yoimiyamains. better ask there.

[spring rivet]

how much dmgreduction% xingqiu usually has

[hasty wigeon]

Enough to take deez nuts

[spring rivet]

[hasty wigeon]

You know you shouldnt be asking here

[hasty wigeon]

Its important to make each delivery be personalised

It gives a human touch to it

Touch deez nuts

[lunar sky]

puffy

[sharp void]

But the pyro aura would be cleared so it would end all the same, no?

[rustic apex]

How ?

If burning procs pyro 2U / 1.6 after tax

[sharp void]

All pyro aura is cleared with vape

[rustic apex]

Every 0.25s

[sharp void]

And forward reaction actually

Hence the burning should stop

[rustic apex]

Time to find a dendro sammy + cryo enemy lol

[sharp void]

I may be wrong and it might work out differently, I just doubt they would let consistent melting be a thing.

[cedar zodiac]

it removes burning from my test

[rustic apex]

What was the test

[sharp void]

Wonderful, I was just about to try and test it myself, this saves time.

[cedar zodiac]

apply 1u pyro to dendro (probably 1u) then apply 1u hydro, removes pyro aura from burning and reveals dendro aura

[rustic apex]

1U of hydro ? Hmm I was told it was a higher gauge pyro but maybe not ?

[cedar zodiac]

The Burning damage will apply 2U Pyro in a small AoE around the Burning object or person.

it doesnt apply to the user

[rustic apex]

Oh so it may work that way against an enemy then ?

Also I guess that small aoe is why i take double burning dmg if im standing too close to burning vines ?

[cedar zodiac]

i dont know much about the aoe shenanigans but probably yes

[warm creek]

forward vape has a 2x modifier on application

[spring beacon]

Does it have ICD?

[cedar zodiac]

idk if it has icd

[wooden belfry]

if i remember correctly, it was something weird like 1.6U

[polar nimbus]

Guys do you think sucrose taser will be meta after dendro

Sucrose(hakyshin ring)+ beidou+ dendro + yalen(elegy)

[pearl latch]

That's assuming dendro character can apply dendro off field consistently

Also beidou ER is going to be really high

[hasty wigeon]

The only meta that exists here is dn

[pine ivy]

[clever phoenix]

but can be lowered because of intensified right

[pearl latch]

wait intensify does that?

[clever phoenix]

it gives electro particle.

dendro reactions still sus anyway

[kindred orchid]

Shouldnt geo react with dendro?

[hasty wigeon]

React to deeznuts in yourmom

[brittle aspen]

If you don’t need the extra particles, would it be better dps in HT/XQ/Thoma/Kazuha to only cast XQ’s skill once, even with sac sword?

[hasty wigeon]

... You got me, i cant figure out a setup for that

Deeznuts anyway cause wrong channel

[elder cliff]

I rate it Deez out of Nuts

Go to #・tc-lounge or #・genshin-help

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[muted grotto]

I need help figuring something out

How does the energy refund on Razor Q work if you swap him out early

I've asked around it seems to be a completely untested thing

Skill says he refunds up to 10 energy if you swap him out while Q is still up but it doesn't say how much based on duration remaining it just says up to 10 based on the duration

[rugged spire]

if it doesn't scale on talent lvl I can run some tests when I get on won't be able to record though, I play on a potato

[muted grotto]

it shouldnt theres no values for it showed on the talent level page

[rugged spire]

aight, will run tests when I get on and let you know what I get

[muted grotto]

thanks

[rugged spire]

@muted grotto Are you here ?

[muted grotto]

yes

[rugged spire]

Ok, so the refund seems to only apply if you're in ult for 8s or less

8s in ult

9s in ult

I also tested 5s in ult and got this

[muted grotto]

cant tell how much it is

[rugged spire]

neither can I tbh I'm guessing that in the 5s screenshot it's 10 Energy and in the 8s it's less but idk

[muted grotto]

Sucks that energy meters just show color bar but no number

[rugged spire]

ye

[tranquil burrow]

I made this for Ayaka

People underestimate attack

imo in most cases Ayaka should use attack circlet, unless you get a lot of Attack buffs from team like ttods or 4p no

Crit damage benefits Shenhe buff more tho

[elder cliff]

but yeah, people usually really love to brag about their Ayaka+Mist CV while it's not always the case for highest actual damage

especially if the enemy cannot be frozen

[tranquil burrow]

👍🏻

[open wagon]

what standard is that?

[tranquil burrow]

I used the Calculator from Ayaka mains

[lusty raft]

#・theorycrafting is a channel reserved for discussions of any in-depth topics that could lead to fruitful findings and discoveries in the game. This also means that simple questions such as (is x good/which artifact is the best/is x worth it) are not allowed as there are better avenues for those kinds of questions ( #・tc-lounge ). Users in #・theorycrafting are encouraged to have discussion on game mechanics and make requests for testing new, unexplored information. The end goal is to further our understanding of the game and to have a collaborative environment for TC.

[open wagon]

Ouh, aight, thanks

[low shale]

I dont think thats totally fair tho
for a lvl 90 Ayaka + Mistsplitter, 100 ATK its basically 2 average ATK% rolls
but 10% CDMG is less than 2 average CDMG% rolls

[tranquil burrow]

Yeah in most cases 100 Atk is more valuable than 10% cd, my bad. I made it look like Atk is better than CD and build should be atk focused 🤦‍♂️

In my opinion Atk and Crit damage has equal values and they should be balanced

In most cases 100 atk is somewhat equal to 14% which is more than 2 average cd rolls

For example for a build with 2400 atk and 220 crit damage, adding 14% crit damage gives around 24 more damage than 100 atk per tick, almost equal.

Another example: for a build with 2000 atk and 270 crit damage, adding 100 atk gives 140~ more damage than 14% cd per tick. Value of attack is more significant here

[brittle aspen]

both my buddy and i have c0 + mist and he runs an atk circlet on his but i have an okay cd circlet on mine, and when i play his ayaka in abyss i swear she just feels better

[tranquil burrow]

Yeah, I think Atk circlets are magical

My two best builds for Ayaka are 1- 2462 atk and 262% crit damage (with cd circlet) 2- 2829 atk with 219% crit damage (with atk circlet)

And guess what? Atk circlet build with 2800 atk deals more damage (it even has 5 more crit rate)

But of course this is because I dont use any Atk% buffs like Ttods, 4p no etc.

First build would be better with these kinda buffs

Lastly about Shenhe, her buff dmg scales a lot better with crit damage. Atk circlet loses here

[elder cliff]

I could try one in my sheet. I have aya mon kaz dio which should give stupid amount of dmg bonus to her to see how worth ATK gearing with that comp

Too bad I haven't read anything about shenhe tho

[cursive summit]

After you at 100% crit, crit damage functions the same as attack, except it's given to you at a rate of 1.33 as cheaply. Thus for optimal balancing you want your attack bonus ((buffed_attack-base_attack)/base_attack) to be equal to 1/1.333 = 75% your crit damage bonus. So if you have 280% crit damage you want ~210% attack BONUS (e..g 3100/1000 atk)

[jade vessel]

is raiden and sara

[smoky wedge]

At the end of the dmg formula I multiply by 0.49 and 0.9 for both def and res multipliers right?

[warm creek]

yeah if that's the multiplier you got

[smoky wedge]

I see, ty

[tepid pendant]

Do we have a Shinobu channel?
If not I would like to ask if she uses Vermillion artifs
I'm about to feed a healing bonus one

[fallen jetty]

We have at most a thread in #・tc-lounge .
I don't participate in the thread, so i can't link you directly to it...

[rugged spire]

#958686317158469653

[tepid pendant]

Thanks I can't find the channel it only shows Heizou and Yelan on my side

[spice hound]

Yeah coz it's a thread under tc lounge

[gaunt tangle]

Already got 800em build kazuha, like just the artifacts (685em) plus kazuha(115em). Do i need more em i.e iron sting or the new upcoming sword with attack percentage stat good ?

[fading light]

I think equipping deez nuts on him will be the best play for you

[gaunt tangle]

So with iron sting im goona get 965≥EM , so how much boost is that goona give to Raiden C2?

[real steppe]

read the bot message

[wooden belfry]

because #・tc-lounge is no longer a place to ask tc questions i'll have to ask it here: does anybody still have a ganyu weapon comparison sheet that contains Aqua Simulacra, the new yelan bow?

[zealous eagle]

These are my own so they could be compeltely wrong

[wooden belfry]

any special assumptions?

(also thank you )

[zealous eagle]

Assumptions are a bit of a mess and I need to redo them at somepoint but general gist is melt is fully buffed CAs in XL melt while freeze is 16.5s morgana and 30 icicles but not snapshot cos I forgot and probably too low freeze uptime,but rough idea should be there.

[wooden belfry]

alright noted, thank you for sharing

[robust dragon]

Does shinobu passive buffs everyone's dmg or only hers?

[digital tiger]

is just me or the new 4 star characters (the inazuma ones) are becoming worse, niche and underwhelming? we always rely on the same ones (bennett, xingqiu, xiangling, etc)

[quasi yoke]

in my personal opinion (not TC based since I don't do calculations), I think the OG 4 stars are indeed better in terms of usefulness and team compatibility

[digital tiger]

do you think mihoyo are going to release new 4 star characters with the same treat or improve them?

[quasi yoke]

unlikely in the foreseeable future, but who knows

for sure they don't want people to use 4 star characters more than their 5 stars

[digital tiger]

i see, if we still get more 4 stars with the same thing i think that will be permament from now on

[proper falcon]

i have a question. did anyone calculated aqua simulacra for other character such as childe ganyu and yoimiya? isit better ?

[spice hound]

You're better of asking for specific characters. Could scroll up for a comparison on Ganyu, for example. Don't forget to read the assumptions in the messages below that

[proper falcon]

i got ganyu yelan already i need childe and yoimiya. i know aqua still lose to their bis weapon but i wanna know how many % differnece

[quick rapids]

how far behind in dmg is whiteblind for itto compared to redhorn? do we have a percent chart?

[cold folio]

check kqm guide

[spring bone]

itto guide? itto guide anywhere? is there an itto guide anywhere?

[fading light]

h!itto

[lusty raft]

Arataki Itto

Becoming the One and Oni: An Arataki Itto Guide

wangshengfp.org/guides/itto

by Emiliabyss#1641 · Mar 1, 2022, 4:00 PM

[fading light]

There
Shouldn't ask this here tho

[spring bone]

this is… theorycrafting

but thank u so much <<3333

[steel arch]

Can someone tell me what is elemental gauge? Like 1U 2U and the others

[split quail]

https://library.keqingmains.com/combat-mechanics/elemental-effects/elemental-gauge-theory

https://library.keqingmains.com/resources/compendiums/elemental-gauges

[ionic tusk]

I have a question. When calculating about EC comp, do we have any idea of who will trigger more EC than other character or it's just assumption? Also would distance and speed of the attack proc (Xingqiu rainsword / Beidou burst / Oz / ...) matter?

[cold folio]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sSVX895AgbTNCZuHwvfXF7JDpIDFRKYkUCWDveMVe8s/edit?usp=sharing

you really dont want the long explanation tbh

its for your own benefit

that I dont go into it

[ionic tusk]

thank you for the sheet! Imma spend some time trying to comprehend it

[cold folio]

good luck lol

[wooden belfry]

Does anybody know if this damage calculator has issues?: https://gidmgcalculator.github.io/csb-g7is6/
I cross checked with another user and there seems to be an issue in the way this calc calculates damage% (Hamayumi r5 passive always outdamage Amos R1 5 stacks ).
Do you guys have another damage calculator you can recommend?

[torn ginkgo]

As far i know, there are contacts of the author of calc. Send feedback.
U may see genshin.aspirine.su

[plucky yacht]

How good is Aqua Simulcra on Morgana Ganyu?

[zealous eagle]

THese are my own calcs

[muted grotto]

can you link the full sheet and not just a screenshot of it please?

[humble tiger]

sounds like a since we're not even sure aquas effective range is viable either

[open wagon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RMkCsQyht765JZlZSPPcbbwcwmcl-htd/edit#gid=847999601

[proven girder]

Hello! i want to ask something regarding what Ubatcha leaked about the new elemental reaction intensified

i currently cannot access the dendro theorycrafting channel, so i was hoping to get some insight

When Ubatcha said Base Damage Increase, what is it?

[cold folio]

check the pins there

you can see it

just no typing for non authors/staff

we dont have enough information for real open discussion yet

[ornate grail]

If he was using KQM terminology (which i'm pretty sure he was) then:

[devout cliff]

Well yes but actually no haha. Base damage increase is supposedly added to this base damage like Shenhe/Yun Jin buff.

[plain rover]

Is Fading Twilight Good On Fischl?
(currently 117% energy recharg,w/o the bow)

[dapper ledge]

If I'm understanding the intensified correctly, then it benefits characters who do a large number of hits more, right?

[devout cliff]

If I understand the ICD correctly it seems so yes

[primal whale]

afaik this was fixed?

[west crest]

would pairing yelan with raiden work? i mean using yelan as support for raidens burst charged attacks

[cold folio]

#958681411894792192

[quiet hollow]

Hello, are we sure intensify dmg buff has icd? Bc no other reactions has icd

[fair aspen]

Most reactions do have some sort of ICD: amplifying rxns are based on the elemental app ICD; overload, EC can every 0.5s; superconduct twice every 0.5s.

[quiet hollow]

Ya thats what i meant, its elemental app and not reaction icd

But ya makes sense, it would be op if it didnt have any icd

[fair aspen]

If it's tied to elemental app, in that case the ICD would depend on the individual character, like vape or melt. Too early to talk specifics

[quiet hollow]

For sure, i just want dendro to be fun and viable, could make tc more interesting

[proper falcon]

looking for kuki shinobu HB HB HP milelith build anyone has it? i cant find it.

[devout void]

I'm working on some Eula teams, and I'm mainly interested in comparing Geo resonance team v.s Raiden.

Mainly because Raiden extends duration, while Albedo takes minimum field time

So far, so good

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kwRQG1uNDWxXiLvILIdE0ICYbsafGxqOtQ6Vd5nOUTM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Only thing remaining is to calc personal dps of Albedo v.s Raiden,

and gonna see if losing Superconduct and Raiden buff is that significant v.s shortening duration, and having Geo resonance

[fair aspen]

Cryo res might need mapping too with Albedo E in play

Its probably not guaranteed on her burst

[devout void]

Wouldn't Rosaria Q be enough to keep up? It ticks faster than Albedo

Though you are right, ZL pillar will threaten it as well.

Maybe sacrifice ToM by putting pillar far is safer

[rustic apex]

Any news on the Ec fix ?

[feral rover]

Does there a calculation of aqua simulacra on childe?

[thin gazelle]

how good the new bow for general use ?

[cold folio]

seems right so far from my limited testing/frame counts

[gilded aspen]

aiming for this build

[cold folio]

what have I gotten myself into

[gilded aspen]

huh?

[real steppe]

read the sticky message this isn't the channel to ask this

[gilded aspen]

oh

[pine ivy]

can you crit on immune hits

[modest chasm]

so if the intensified damage scaled off of the EM of the characters that triggers the reaction we can't have a support with high EM that applies the debuff right?

[cold folio]

intensified scales on the damage of the attacker not the aura or the trigger

its a 3 part reaction

aura > trigger > receiver

[modest chasm]

what determines the magnitude of the buff

[cold folio]

receiver EM

[modest chasm]

ah yeah, I just realized I mis-typed my question

that's kinda a bummer cause we can't have a specialized buffer with high EM then no?

[cold folio]

dps has to have the EM basically

its still very solid with low EM though from what I recall

[modest chasm]

so units that will constantly apply electro/dendro will be good for this reaction?
Is it possible Shinobu is designed with this in mind?

although the argument that fischl is still better probably remains

[cold folio]

possibly but we really need to see dendro units before we make any calls

[modest chasm]

Sounds like a more convoluted vape/melt tbh, but if the numbers are there I don't mind it

[cold folio]

think shenhe quills basically

[regal basin]

Do we know when the dendro x electro boost applies?
Like
If it's before or after the talent multiplier
My guess is that it's after
Which would make chars with a lot of low multiplier talents but a bunch of hits a lot better
But yeah just to make sure

[cold folio]

read the pin in #979373957255954522

[regal basin]

I see

Thanks

[gilded aspen]

who can use fading twillight?

[granite idol]

I can´t right in the dendro theorycraft channel, does someone know why?

[granite idol]

thank you, that´s so sad since I would like to talk about it and ask questions about it, in which channel can I talk aout dendro reactions or leak theorycraft stuff?

[torn ginkgo]

Can you tell if the intensified affects the base dmg like Shenhe's buff. Or does it increases atk like Bennet/Sara?

[gilded aspen]

where should i ask then??

[short steeple]

Hi guys, please explain how exactly the cutting of resists in the genshin works? What does it look like in the damage formula? For example, using an anemone set. It cuts off 40% of resists, how much damage does it actually give a buff? Thanks for the answer

[fair aspen]

You can check the damage formula here: https://library.keqingmains.com/damage

As for the resist part specifically, see the picture. It depends on the specific enemy resists to tell say how much damage is increased. Below 0% resistance, it's halved. #・genshin-help can answer this next time!

VV is anywhere from 166% to 127% increase depending on the resistance.

[unkempt surge]

So, how does anti National work again?

[neon zealot]

@rugged spire help

VONNN

[rugged spire]

what

[neon zealot]

help me work out a rotation (and plug in erc)

I just wanna know the er reqs for this comp

[rugged spire]

what team ?

[neon zealot]

Ayato Xq Fischl Zl

used it in abyss yesterday and i thought i could shave off some Xq er or summ

[rugged spire]

is fischl c6 ?

[neon zealot]

Nawp

Xq is Sac-less

and c6

i think I did
Ayato Q Zhong hE Fischl E Xq QE Ayato E Zhong Q hE Fischl Q Ayato E

but it's why i have u here to check if that's even possible

[rugged spire]

you'd have a 2nd of downtime between ayato's 1st and 2nd E

[neon zealot]

can't I wait that out?

[rugged spire]

yeah

[neon zealot]

clunky but works

[rugged spire]

this is also assuming no skill issue

[neon zealot]

zhong is there

for no skill issue

[rugged spire]

if something ends up causing a delay then the rot would work fine

[rugged spire]

I meant for swaps and skill casting

[neon zealot]

so a skill issue is needed

[neon zealot]

ah I don have any probs there

[rugged spire]

higher than average ping would be enough

[neon zealot]

that's what I have

nice

anyway erc, zhong holds no fav

if it's shit try fav

[rugged spire]

er reqs with fav on ZL and xq

[neon zealot]

try no fav

i assumed ayato would be the highest

if no fav

[rugged spire]

No fav

[neon zealot]

[neon zealot]

try Ayato Q every other rot pls

xq er still holds up with my xq er rn so that's fine

224 er :D

could probably shave some off

[neon zealot]

how did Xq er go higher

[neon zealot]

anyway thank u von

[rugged spire]

[blazing nymph]

I have a rotation for yelan hutao kazuha and yanfei can anyone help me test and frame count how many sec does hutao have to vape?
Its Yelan E Q Na > Yanfei Na Q E > kazuha HoldE(no plungle) Na Q > hutao
Im too pepega to test so my hutao have very little time to do her thing. Anyone have perfect skill can tell me how many sec does hutao have before yelan Q end

[cold folio]

#958681411894792192

[blazing nymph]

I dont want it to get burried

So just put it here and hope

[bleak cradle]

does xingqiu damage reduction stack on top of shields?

[blazing nymph]

Yes

[crystal crystal]

why is fischl bursting every rotation @neon zealot

[neon zealot]

uh

idk

[crystal crystal]

should also account c6 xq refund so it goes lower, double hydro shouldnt have him over 200

[neon zealot]

@rugged spire

[rugged spire]

I thought your xq wasn't c6

[neon zealot]

i sadi fischl wasn't

[neon zealot]

@rugged spire

see

[rugged spire]

One sec

[neon zealot]

yay <3

[rugged spire]

w fav

w/o fav

[neon zealot]

okay now that's what i wanna see

i could probably

swap to atk sands on xq

as long as i get at least 1 er sub

[neon zealot]

@crystal crystal

wrong picture

[neon zealot]

I could get that no? even with atk sands?

[crystal crystal]

yes

[neon zealot]

nice

[gilded rune]

ER requirement for 4p eosf ayaka duo abyss with fav jean ?

[visual igloo]

New theory i think this isn't exactly a theory but

Lithic spear with xiao would be incredibly good on xiao if there was another anemo liyue character that boosts anemo dmg

Paired with xiangling and qiqi or zhongli, that would make a not so bad team for him

But i don't think they'll be releasing any new liyue units now that sumeru is near

[torn ginkgo]

Where can i see hom er% a Yoimiya needs? I will use he burst.

[wooden tusk]

Best team for dps qiqi right now?any idea please.Considering all 5stars and 4stars (4stars all c6 and 5stars c3)

[devout cliff]

Best for Qiqi's damage or best team dps ?

[real steppe]

you guys should discuss this in another channel, pls read the sticky message from the bot

[low shale]

Can somebody help me with something?
Yelan Q has 2U of Hydro
while Yanfei E has 1U of Pyro, Q has 2U of Pyro and CA has 1U of Pyro
how am I able to apply Pyro here then?

[cold folio]

hydro gauge decaying during time you apply pyro in addition to being consumed

jsut barely enough extra pyro at the end to gain aura

I think

[outer crow]

basically what he said you start with 1.6U of hydro because of aura tax then you are apping 1U and 2U of pyro and thus removing 1.5U of hydro leaving you with 0.1U, the decay rate for 2U is B which is 7.5s so 7.5 * 0.1 remaining time is 0.75s that needs to pass before the pyro app before the CA would completely consume the hydro aura from yelan's ult

[low shale]

I see, thanks

[cold folio]

[blazing nymph]

Damn that pretty fast gameplay

Seems good enough for double swirl

Just need to switch to kaz and hold E clear the pyro and then NA and then Q

Just need someone to tell me how much time total is that to double swirl pyro hydro

[cursive berry]

intensified affects electrocharged right?
so does it go like:
2.4xLM+baseDmg
or
2.4x(LM+baseDmg)

[honest delta]

is 22.5% pyro dmg bonus between 4p cwof vs 2pcwof2pwanderer big?

[cold folio]

#・genshin-help

[honest delta]

thx

[elfin sparrow]

anyone got info on how double hydro tao compared to vv tao ?

[cold folio]

#958681411894792192

[elfin sparrow]

ok

[oak pelican]

Does yae have icd on her skill?

[polar nimbus]

Does new elemental skill set will work on fischel

.

[cold folio]

that leak came from unreliable sources and was since taken down by the poster

[maiden tangle]

tc about kuki?

[rugged spire]

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