・theorycrafting

[north meadow]

For team rots

Other than that idk

[heady jackal]

Well I am currently trying to do my own spreadsheet of Xinyan' s weapons and artifacts, would the Optimizer be enough as an alternative?

[cedar zodiac]

I actually never tried using the optimizer

[heady jackal]

So according to the formula in KQM's library, should I divide the talent scalings by 100 alongside any number that is a percentage?

[humble tiger]

if a talent has 110% at t9 for example, that means in your overall dmg calculation formula, you multiply the atk by 1.1. so yeah divide by 100

if it helps, this is a very easy and intuitive way of doing things. all the way on the left is the characters attack, and then i go through and multiply by each thing

hope that helps

[heady jackal]

Hmmmm, ok. I think I understand

From that pic there

[cedar zodiac]

how did you get the res that high?

[humble tiger]

vv and shenhe t9

which should be 14%

[cedar zodiac]

ganyu?

like its from the ganyu sheet?

[humble tiger]

nah

[cedar zodiac]

is there already a limit on how much res shred can be done or is it the same with def where its capped to 90?

[humble tiger]

i have no idea but probably no limit

i dont really know any of the weird in game stuff like limits or overworld tc honestly

[cedar zodiac]

thats fair, overworld tc in general is just too time consuming

[muted grotto]

Overworld tc exists?

Just use Kazuha

[cedar zodiac]

imagine having kazuha

[humble tiger]

people out here tcing the dmg you take from burning

https://tenor.com/view/no-time-busy-aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-gif-15753141

[muted grotto]

And the degree that wind blows the grass

[delicate meteor]

Maybe I'll just ask in tc lounge

[broken skiff]

Do we have a sheet for international? I’m curious about the rotation, dps, dpr, and performance of different weapons for both Childe and XL.

[rugged spire]

@amber marsh usually the rotation depends on the cooldown of your character's burst

[knotty oyster]

The more em, the more painful it is

[amber marsh]

so once i take my CDs where do i go from there?

[rugged spire]

you consider how the characters burst works

for example in most cases

you want to buff your main dps' DMG window for as long as possible

so you would account for buff uptimes and stuff like that

[amber marsh]

and how would i calculate the energy needed for everyone? would i do that first or would i figure out buff length first?

[rugged spire]

energy is with a calculator

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4/edit#gid=1474560941

[amber marsh]

ok ty let me see what kind of frankenstein comp i can come up with

does c6 bennett override chonghyun's cryo infusion?

[rugged spire]

I think so

[obtuse garnet]

Ye it does

Pyro> cryo for overwriting

[spark roost]

who do u guys think is good with haran other than ayato?

[rugged spire]

haran offers 33.1% CR and 12 Elemental DMG bonus so it's pretty good as a stat stick though it falls behind better stat sticks like mist and jade

[fading light]

It will also depend heavily on the character since some will prefer other f2p options

[fluid swift]

I'm just hoping they manage to revamp the optimizer for 2.4 mechanics

They haven't updated the thing for shenhe/yunjin/yae

[cerulean geyser]

average genshin abyss meta tcer

chad nzpieface randomass overworld interaction tc

water body gauge mechanics????

[humble tiger]

i only tc the game combat stuff like teams playstyle and rotations

[cerulean geyser]

wait

[humble tiger]

outside of those things im more of a casual gamer than tc

[cerulean geyser]

this isnt lounge oop

[cloud stratus]

No one lol

[muted grotto]

maybe main dps bennet

but no way its better than mistsplitter i dont hink

[outer crow]

Is it better than jade?

[muted grotto]

no idea i havent done any math on it

but he weaves in a decent amount of NAs between Es when hes main dps, and it has higher base attack than jade

so id assume its at least in a very close margin to jade if not better

[exotic oxide]

how much er should i put on c1 kazuha w iron sting

[halcyon abyss]

160 is good

the rotation for jean melt ganyu is the same as kazoo ganyu right?

ganyu e 1ca bennett q jean e q then ganyu ca till jean burst over

[plucky yacht]

How good is the Echoes of an Offering over all? I plan to build a DPS Yun Jin with it or should I just stick with 2-2 PF-BSG

[plucky yacht]

@exotic oxide tap e or hold e?

[plucky yacht]

160 is for C0 with hold E

[exotic oxide]

thx

[plucky yacht]

160 is for C0

C1 has lower reqs

[sudden stream]

Lower reqs if your rotation can fit in the extra E without losing dps

[tribal bridge]

Depends on team

[halcyon abyss]

ik i just always assume 5 stars c0

this channell is so dead

i always assume c0 everything bc im a filthy f2p

well new f2p

[fluid locust]

Is this aight for 4pc shime hutao? I can push it to 235 cdmg but the crate will drop to about 53% EM sands btw, DM weapon

[halcyon abyss]

thats very very good afaict

as far as i can tell if thats not an actual thing ppl say lol

[steady beacon]

they asked for c1 though

[halcyon abyss]

my brain ignore small details

[plucky yacht]

They stated C1

[halcyon abyss]

see the message 2 above that

[plucky yacht]

You can compute it yourself with this formula:
1 + (Crit Rate/100) × (Crit Damage/100)

[fluid locust]

How do i interpret the result then

[plucky yacht]

Upper limit of crit rate is 100

Whichever has the better crit value wins

[fluid locust]

So just see which is better, 50cr for higher cdmg or a bit higher cr for less cdmg

Correct?

[plucky yacht]

Compute

[halcyon abyss]

isnt it just cr*2+cdmg

[plucky yacht]

I gave you the formula

[fluid locust]

Yeah I know im just asking which I should compare and why

[plucky yacht]

The builds you gave

Your current and your planned

[fluid locust]

Okay! Thanks!

[halcyon abyss]

?

[plucky yacht]

That's for artifacts

The formula I gave was for average damage

[halcyon abyss]

why is it different for char stats?

ohhh

ok ok

also why is there the +1

[elder cliff]

ask in #・genshin-help or #・tc-lounge . This channel is mainly for actual theorycrafting discussion

[plucky yacht]

How good is the Echoes of an Offering over all? I plan to build a DPS Yun Jin with it or should I just stick with 2-2 PF-BSG

[halcyon abyss]

overall dont do that domain if your not a xiao main

or just really want good 2pc atk% artis

idk abt dps yunjin because its dps yunjin but ik for other chars echoes is barely bis if not a little worse than others

also whats bsg

[tribal delta]

does c6 bennett burst override keqings electro infusion?

[halcyon abyss]

i believe so

but then pyro keqing is fun

[tribal delta]

c6 benny with hu tao is amazing

unlimited hu tao e except for the dmg increase

[halcyon abyss]

i mean its only 15% damage

unlimited hu tao e

[tribal delta]

hu tao dmg increase

almost the same as her e

just less dmg

[halcyon abyss]

no hu taos e gives a lot more atk

on average

bennett with hu tao is fine

its still ofc more damage bc its benny but hes a lot better off in other teams

also hu tao downtime isnt really a problem

just build your rotation accordingly to fill in the downtime

[grim mica]

Benny is just there for XQ E nuke

or if you're doing overvape tao with Fischl

[buoyant spruce]

Hi all, adjusted the description of the channel here. If your questions are more general feel free to go to #・tc-lounge or #943485085301211227 . Cheers!

[cerulean geyser]

Or, for questions related to builds and making team comps, head over to #・genshin-help for assistance!

[muted grotto]

is there any resource with png images/icons of all weapons in the game?

i wanna make a xinyan weapon comparisons sheet

want make pretty

[analog mountain]

hello, you can try to look in https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com/db/weapon/claymore/?lang=EN since they have any kind of weapon images that you can download

edit: your welcome, have a nice day

[muted grotto]

thanks

[idle dove]

Hello, could someone with a Royal series weapon help me do some tests? I want to know if the stacks expire when you swap your party member out.

[cedar zodiac]

https://library.keqingmains.com/equipment/weapons/bows#royal-bow

[real steppe]

they don't expire

at least the sword doesn't, don't know if all weapons behave the same

[cedar zodiac]

according to the kqm details, the stacks can happen if the holder is off-field when a DoT skill is active

so probably it doesnt expire cause if an off-field dps can proc it, it doesnt expires until you deal a crit

[real steppe]

DoT means damage over time?

[cedar zodiac]

yep

[idle dove]

Thanks! I was wondering about this because the royal series behaves similar to the new echoes artifact. Not sure if the set would remember your state when you swap out.

[tacit stratus]

DPS..... yunjin?

[real steppe]

ty

[tacit stratus]

Isn't the domain pretty good for fischl or other 18/18ATK wanters? You'd be able to build 18/18 far faster from this domain than trying to build it from glad/shim IIRC?

[signal breach]

Its still far more attractive to farm 18% ATK stuff on the side while getting a useful 4PC Set in the process, than dedicate yourself just farming 2Sets

So many characters can use EoSF well and you can convert all the trash pieces to Glad

[cedar zodiac]

also farming SR gives a standarize global set, which is EoSF

so it differs

[tacit stratus]

True, I forgot how absolutely broken EoSF is for so many characters.

Isn't EoSF basically Bis for the entirety of raiden national if you just want to farma single domain

oh wait bennett doesn't use eosf lol

I mean that's still 3/4 of the comp so valid

[north meadow]

Yes

[upbeat junco]

oh

ok

[lunar sky]

you did it!

[rugged spire]

ban ell ?

[lunar sky]

why

im helping new people

[mighty basalt]

how good is akuomaru for beidou when you got r5 spine already?

[rugged spire]

r5serpent spine beats r5 aku afaik

[mighty basalt]

yea i tho so, tyvm. i guess aku will catch dust on my inventory then

[ancient mirage]

Thing is you can just drop all your shime pieces into storage box and get Bennett artis too

[halcyon abyss]

yeah but just farming eosf and feeding bad artis into the glad box will be far better for your acc

2pc atk% sets just come with time

theres not really a need to dedicate farming to them

[cerulean geyser]

please head to #・genshin-help for questions related to team building, pulls, and gearing

[spice hound]

pin? 👀

[cerulean geyser]

pin.

[vale scarab]

And two mor 18% sets coming down the pipeline

I remember when people were so thirsty for glads

Now they locking them in a strongbox and shipping them into the abyss

[digital plank]

I have no idea where this was from but I hope we can get the latest version of it.

[autumn gull]

this is from the gcsim library iirc ?

[vale scarab]

Iirc KQM is working on a gcsim based repository for comparitive purposes

I dont think it looks like this though

[autumn gull]

but this is the older one I think

[digital plank]

Yep, its old from like January.

[stable ridge]

whos gonna benefit on the new artifacts the most? is there other characters who benefit from it aside from xiao yoimiya and ayato

[vale scarab]

not really atm no

technically any NA user can use the echoes, but eula for example has too much of dammage in burst

and she gets plenty from pale flame

it wouldnt be worth for alot of other

[stable ridge]

ty !

[elder cliff]

Daily reminder, this channel is to discuss about theorycrafting works/hypothesis/tests/breakthrough, so not just general question. Unless your question is to reinforce your argument and/or confirm your theory for futher discussion, then most likely you can ask the question in #・genshin-help or #・tc-lounge . The folks there will decide whether they can answer your question there or you'll be brought here again if the question is deemed to be too complicated.

[honest river]

Does anybody have ayaka dmg spread sheets

[lapis whale]

Anyone have sheets on kuki shinobu?

[cedar zodiac]

Please take this channel in whole seriousness. She just got drip marketed. Wait for beta leaks for kit. We going to make a separate channel for her and Yelan. Please do be patient

[lapis whale]

Ayt

Also 4 star or 5 star?

[cedar zodiac]

still no confirmation on it

#・tc-lounge for further discussions about it

[obtuse garnet]

some sus leaks claim her to be 4* (nd honestly she also look like one )

but cant say for sure

bloody hell its been maybe 1 hour or so .. but there are already fanarts of her
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781749236521238548/957922660032053308/FO7G2aNXoAELA15.jpeg

how come ppl are this fast wth

[cedar zodiac]

Daily reminder, this channel is to discuss about theorycrafting works/hypothesis/tests/breakthrough, so not just general question. Unless your question is to reinforce your argument and/or confirm your theory for futher discussion, then most likely you can ask the question in ・genshin-help or ・tc-lounge . The folks there will decide whether they can answer your question there or you'll be brought here again if the question is deemed to be too complicated.

#・theorycrafting message

[hasty wigeon]

Might be enforcing this rule soon

[keen apex]

let me get this clear, if my question is
'to reinforce my argument/ confirm my theory /further discussion'
I'm allowed to ask it here, right?

[cerulean geyser]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization, please head over to #・genshin-help.
• For other spreadsheet or calculation related questions, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current prerelease character’s tc channel.”

[keen apex]

Unless _______ , then _______
is a weird format

imagine skill issues in rules

just remove the 'then'

[wooden belfry]

speedrun fanart wtf

[obtuse garnet]

ikr

[warm creek]

Anyone got ideas for a keqing beidou kazuha bennett rotation? might have to make one myself

[gray fulcrum]

How long does keqings stiletto last?

The one she throws

[warm creek]

5s?

I'll test it

[gray fulcrum]

Alr

[warm creek]

CD is 7.5s, when I tested it the cd was at 2.4s when it exploded

so yeah 5s is I'd say accurate

[gray fulcrum]

Alr

[warm creek]

I wish I had kazuha to actually try it out

[gray fulcrum]

The cds kinda difficult to work with

[warm creek]

yeah I noticed that at first

[gray fulcrum]

Keqing e 1
Kazuha e 1.2
Bennett eq 1.5
Kazuha q 2
Keqing tp q 2.5
Beidou e q (idk time lmao)
Kazuha n1 e 1.3
Bennett n1 e 1.1
Keqing e n4ca (I don't know again)
Beidou e n1(I don't know)
Kazuha e n1 q n1 3.4
Keqing e n4ca

@warm creek try this?

[warm creek]

hmmm

[gray fulcrum]

It's kinda rough when most of the uptime has to be filled by well

Doing nothing

[warm creek]

does sucrose do fine as substitute for rotation testing

[gray fulcrum]

If you have c2 sure

[warm creek]

alr

[gray fulcrum]

Do not use 2 charges below 6s tho

[keen apex]

can assume 2s for BeiEQ

maybe 1.7 but, eh

[warm creek]

hold on is that supposed to be 30s rot

I'll try it later

[gray fulcrum]

? Na

Seems closer to 21-22s

You can do Bennett q beidou e q then kazuha e q but the cds for what you're gonna do afterwards

[broken skiff]

Anyone have an ER sheet for raikou comp? I wanna figure out how much my Yae needs because my raiden has 310 ER so she’d generate a fair bit more than average

Or just like tell me how much I’d need if raiden has 310ER

DC Yae to be clear, burst every rotation

[rugged spire]

I think you'll want around 150 er

[elder cliff]

actually less, but @broken skiff you can ask that in #・tc-lounge or #・genshin-help

[warm creek]

there's 2 kazuha Qs

[gray fulcrum]

Shit I forgot about this

Cancel the second q

[warm creek]

ohh okay

[gray fulcrum]

Mb

[warm creek]

np np

[signal breach]

at 300%+ on Raiden 130% ER on Yae should be a safe bet. Can maybe do 120% with decent particle drops or particle rng not screwing you over

[quick rapids]

does hydro or pyro take priority? for swirl

like if bennet's burst is down but there is hydro app will kazuha swirl hydro or pyro

[rugged spire]

#・tc-lounge

[warm creek]

@knotty oyster

[knotty oyster]

oh nah i cant do that

NA weaves are

[warm creek]

[gray fulcrum]

I would test if it weren't 11 pm

It's only barely possible

Otherwise you'd have to change it to q e tp slash

That's quite a bit of extended time

[warm creek]

imma look at frame data first

[gray fulcrum]

Currently it's like 22 or 23

[gray fulcrum]

Look for beidou

[warm creek]

While looking

I found out keqings a4 starts on burst anim but it doesn't include burst

wait does it

[pine ivy]

can someone send me their jean build

[warm creek]

#・genshin-help , but my jean is currently on amenoma r5 and adc artifacts 4pc vv

[pine ivy]

dont you guys discuss builds in theorycrafting..?

oh

[warm creek]

Mostly calcing in this channel, but

!! questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization, please head over to #・genshin-help.
• For other spreadsheet or calculation related questions, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current prerelease character’s tc channel.

[warm creek]

all I did was divide frames by 60
n1c roughly 1.05s
n4c 2.5s
2E near 1.5s
Q 2.1s

I assume the data on the website is frame perfect tho

Beidou Q 0.75s
E around 0.7s

[broken skiff]

So I am in a good place then. Brilliant!

[warm creek]

Bennett E Q takes around 2s it seems

what about

keqing 2E 1.5s
Kazuha E plunge 1.5s
Bennett E Q 2s
Keqing Q 2.1s
Kazuha Q 1.5-2s
Beidou E Q 1.6s
Keqing 2E 1.5s
2n4c 5.0s
Beidou n1 E 1.2s
Keqing 2E 1.5s
n4c 2.5s

still incomplete

[rugged spire]

isn't this like already 25s

[warm creek]

ong

I'll check

yeah around 25s

what if you weave in normals during 2nd rot instead

wait I'll remove the 2nd n4c at the end

ehh I still feel this could be better

it's either sheeting this or that ec idea I have

[rugged spire]

have you sheeted before ?

[warm creek]

mmm a bit

It's scuffed and I want to remake it

[rugged spire]

I don't personally recommend doing EC just yet then

[warm creek]

yeah I'm not doing that

around 22-23s now

there's a gap between the Keqing Es though so realistically longer

I'll save this for later fuck it

[tribal bridge]

What was the optimal rotation for reverse melt: rosaria, kaeya, Xiangling and Bennett. I've seen different ones. One using rosaria before xl to snapshot crit buff and one before to just melt every hit.

[humble tiger]

when the guide was being worked on rosaria first was found to have a slight edge on dps https://youtu.be/DdDsyW3toBo

however take this as you will though, since they all performed fairly similar and one of the benefits with this team is that the skill required is very minimal aside from bennett buff snapshotting, so actually following a rotation isn't really too important

people are generally advised to just press buttons

[tribal bridge]

Okay thanks. Is there energy reqs for rosara and kaeya available

[humble tiger]

probably in the kqm guide

[tribal delta]

Oh shot

So yelan is from liyue

That could@mean oceanid is her ascension material

Not hypo

[wooden tusk]

Which one is better for hu tao 1shots?
1)Adeptus' Temptation :- Increases all party members' ATK by 316 and CRIT Rate by 10% for 300s.
2)No Tomorrow/Once Upon a Time in Mondstadt :- Increases all party members' CRIT Rate by 20% and CRIT DMG by 20% for 300s.

[rugged spire]

!! questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization, please head over to #・genshin-help.
• For other spreadsheet or calculation related questions, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current prerelease character’s tc channel.

[lapis whale]

Atk% should fall off with hutao since she gives herself a lot of atk already

[cedar zodiac]

Can anyone try this comp out for me? DMG isnt necessary, all i want to see if there burst has 100% uptime with the following ER Requirements, would like to be in abyss so you guys wont be hard on yourself when it comes to refreshing your burst.

Requirement: Must have albedo, shenhe, c0-c6 diona, c2 chongyun

Comp:
Albedo E > Shenhe tE > Diona QtE > Shenhe Q > Chongyun EQ > Albedo N2 E N3 > Diona tpE > Shenhe hE N5 > > Albedo N2 E N3 > Diona hE > Chongyun N3 Q > Diona CA

What to achieve: check if the comp's burst uptime is 100% with this ER Requirement

[muted grotto]

Is anyone here good at analyzing frames

[elder cliff]

uuuh... JRM?

oh you already asked him, nvm

[cedar zodiac]

ping jrm

[muted grotto]

Pinged him in tc staff channel

Dunno if he’s around rn

I have very confusing situation trying to fully analyze Xinyan noblesse buff uptime on her CA

Have a rotation showcase video from a lovely person from Xinyan mains and bennet cast his Q 6 seconds into the video but xinyans damage looks fully buffed up to second 20 (from 7.3k to 7.2k at second 20) but noblesse is supposed to only last 12s…is she just getting a whole ass 2s hitlag extension on it?

If someone wanna help analyze this clusterfuck lmk I dm you video

[muted grotto]

Nvm it’s been figured out

It was cuz of Guobas fucking chili pepper

[night dock]

Guoba gigachad

[lofty thorn]

my brain

[cedar zodiac]

you up for it?

[lofty thorn]

is mobile fine with you?

[cedar zodiac]

yeah

[lofty thorn]

whats tE

[cedar zodiac]

tap E

hE = hold e

[lofty thorn]

hmm im not sure if i can get those ER reqs

ill try tho

well i guess dmg doesnt matter

so

is any lvl good?

[cedar zodiac]

yeah, just have c0-c6 diona and c2 chong to see minimal CD uptime as well as burst uptime

up to second rot

also with chongyun e field time and in what timing will his a4 proc

[lofty thorn]

uhh

my chongyun is lvl 60

[cedar zodiac]

its fine, the a4 procs when the field disappears

so i can just assimilate the timing for the field to disappear and put the a4 proc on that exact timing

[lofty thorn]

hmm not sure what im doing wrong

Albedo N2 E N3 > Diona hE >

from here there's a 3 second CD delay on Diona E

wait nvm

[warm creek]

can I put my keqing rotation here for now so it doesnt get lost?

[lofty thorn]

@cedar zodiac i tried but I can't do it efficiently with mobile controls

[cedar zodiac]

aight, ty for the time though

[lofty thorn]

I got the footage

you can look at it but its very scuffed

[cedar zodiac]

its fine if its scuff

[lofty thorn]

...and i forgot to record...

lemme just do it again rq

LMFAO

[warm creek]

LMAO

[lofty thorn]

uhh the files too big

[cedar zodiac]

you can send it in a yt link

or streamables is fine

[lofty thorn]

i guess this is free promo for my YT channel

https://streamable.com/97ypnz

@cedar zodiac

its extremely scuffed since idkk mobile controls

if anything's missing I can prob redo tomorrow on my PC if u need

[cedar zodiac]

tysm

this makes my sheeting a lot easier

[lofty thorn]

can I has cookie now

[cedar zodiac]

🍪

[lofty thorn]

Yay :D

[keen apex]

​

[clever phoenix]

anyone has sheet on childe + yunjin?

[elder cliff]

!! questions

[misty thistle]

• For questions regarding team building, gearing, and abyss optimization, please head over to #・genshin-help.
• For other spreadsheet or calculation related questions, please head over to #・tc-lounge or the current prerelease character’s tc channel.

[clever phoenix]

mb

[muted grotto]

i do!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PIyFA-hX2ydheKoIo58ppANNLXTGB2DpFEvdUvWGra4/edit?usp=sharing

[clever phoenix]

thanks!

[muted grotto]

np

[clever phoenix]

tc lounge chat moves too fast.

[cerulean geyser]

@golden coyote have people ever considered that the dps for sims can be affected by the fact that people use quantities like 60/100 seconds which might cutoff the rotations midway which can inflate or deflate the numbers

wait this isnt lounge

[elder cliff]

honestly I feel like this topic is fine, at least from the looks of it

[cerulean geyser]

well yeah it is i just was in the wrong channel

[cedar zodiac]

@dusty osprey how about 2 tap E and 1 hold E?

[dusty osprey]

each hold is 4 particles

each tap is 1.6

so it would be 4 + 2*(1.6) = 7.2
7.2 / 4 = 1.8 holds

also for AP stuff i usually would add a one sec penalty for every time you need to pick up a shard

to make the calcs more realistic

[cedar zodiac]

i was kinda thinking putting it on shenhe since she has mobility

[dusty osprey]

ap?

[cedar zodiac]

and put chong on BS and diona on NO

yeah

[dusty osprey]

i would say ap is better on diano, considering you are having field time on shenhe already for na dmg

[cedar zodiac]

i see

[dusty osprey]

any reason in particular that you are having albedo take up feild time doing normals?

is it for filler?

[cedar zodiac]

idk with vins, probably to get the quills dmg to its fullest as possible with every party member

especially with chongs E

[dusty osprey]

oh another common mistake im seeing is

that your rotation times are far too generous

every swap generally incurs a time "tax" since no one does perfect swaps + latency

and also

you cant swap faster than one sec because of the cooldown

[cedar zodiac]

i should fix it yeah

[dusty osprey]

some people have different preferences for swap taxes since it can vary based on ping or human error

i personally think something between .25-.5 is reasonable per swap

[cedar zodiac]

gotcha

[dusty osprey]

it should be a bit easier to get an accurate rotation duration if you record yourself doing it though

thats the most surefire way of getting the right time

because some abilities also have lockouts from swapping but not using other actions

[cedar zodiac]

i would test out a better rotation on this sheet

[elder cliff]

I had theory of 60-70ms+Latency for swap latency

tho I think there's also something about 'buffer time' that takes 1-2 frames, that equals about 15-30ms

so I might extend the formula to
Buffer Frames + 60ms + Latency = Swap Latency

Buffer frames... this is I'm still researching it. Probably it's from hardware spec (strong your pc/device, lower the buffer frames would be. Still a hypothesis, needs testing later)
60ms is flat/constant variable
Latency, your latency

I had some theories about where does that flat variable comes tho. Probably it's like server's computing time

However, it looks like buffer frames value isn't needed if it's for an 'in-between' or 'queued' action/input. So most of the time it should be 60ms + Latency only

[dusty osprey]

@cedar zodiac i would recommend adding an occurrences row instead of hard coding in a numerical multiplier at the end

it makes it easier to change/see how many times an ability hits

[cedar zodiac]

aight, ill add that in later

idk if this rotation is better
Albedo E (1) > Shenhe tEQ (3) > Diona (gets shard) tEQ (get shard) (4) > Chongyun EQ (3) > Shenhe tE (1) > Albedo EQ (3) > Diona (gets shard) tE (2) > Shenhe hE N5 (3) > Chongyun Q (2) > Diona tE (1)

[manic topaz]

guys ive heard that yae miko's passive talent increases your elemental skill talent scaling and that its not a damage bonus

can anyone confirm this for me?

[dusty osprey]

it should be dmg%, per kqm's page on her

https://library.keqingmains.com/evidence/characters/electro/yae-miko#a4-enlightened-blessing

[manic topaz]

ah thanks

[smoky wedge]

So from the sussy leaks we have is Yelan basically a sub dps?

Also an enabler or nah?

[rugged spire]

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[smoky wedge]

My bad

[manic topaz]

so , ive kinda come up with a team for hyper carry yae miko
its a very f2p firendly team and the sesshou sakura deal 17k dmg on crit
the team goes like this:-

yae miko 2TF,2shime , oathsworn
sucrose with triple EM ,VV and ttds
ningguang with 4 petra and ttds
healer(flexible)

the rotation goes like this:-

first :-yae miko ,drop all the totems
swap to sucrose swirl + em buff(here you want to start counting 10 seconds)
swap to yae miko (ttds)
then to ningguang to apply petra ( stay with ningguang till the 10 seconds ends)
swap to yae miko drop all totems( ttds buff)
then to sucrose (swirl )
finally yae miko EEE Q EEE(rinse and repeat)

im hoping to get help from you guys to improve on this kinda rough sketch for a team i have come up with

yae miko build:-
2200 atk approx
crit rate 61% crit dmg 182%
ER 127%

my sucrose is c4 , ningguang is c5 and yae is c0
idk if it increases the damage but i felt like i needed to include it

[warm creek]

I recommend changing the rot a bit

eee eee eee q eee is pretty long

yae eee > ning proc crystallize and grab crystal > sucrose swirl > yae Q E E E > ning E Q E ca

wdy think

hold on

now I'm curious, does the ttods passive cooldown only work on the holder

[manic topaz]

i tested it and yeah the cooldown is individual to each ttds holder

[manic topaz]

hmm thanks

[manic topaz]

sounds pog

[warm creek]

so that means you could potentially have 100% uptime with 2 ttods holders?

[manic topaz]

yeah thats the concept with which i came up with the team

but all this time ive been testing it
its been painful for me to keep track of everything

[warm creek]

[manic topaz]

so yeah

theoritically a very pog team

but practically ive been suffering

and i did test it out with a blackcliff build it and i saw 21k procs

there was one 24k proc that i saw with all 3 blackcliff stacks

[warm creek]

what if

you pass suc's ttods to ningguang

yae E E E , suc swirl , ning E Q E Ca, Yae Q E E E

something along those lines

so ning does some damage herself

[manic topaz]

idk never thought about it

plus my ninggunag isint built

so idk

[warm creek]

same

wait how about we think of the 4th unit first

[manic topaz]

barabara with hakushin?

[warm creek]

zhongli or albedo could do well

[outer crow]

Actual tc?

[manic topaz]

what?

[outer crow]

Nothing don’t mind me

[warm creek]

this is actual tc channel

[outer crow]

Ye

[manic topaz]

zhongli could work cuz sheild but idk

[outer crow]

What is being tc

[manic topaz]

lacks a healer so i thought healer

[warm creek]

yae suc ttods ning ttods flex

a double ttods team

[manic topaz]

huh?

[outer crow]

What are you guys doing

[manic topaz]

talking about this

[warm creek]

"what is being theorycrafted"

[manic topaz]

right

i feel like this team would perform very well with boss floors

[outer crow]

Who’s the 4th

[manic topaz]

like big boss

a healer

maybe barbara

[warm creek]

would be nice if we had a geo healer

[manic topaz]

hmm yes

[outer crow]

Noelle

Or c4 Gorou

[manic topaz]

or even an electro one( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[warm creek]

[manic topaz]

cough cough kuki shinobu cough cough

[warm creek]

noelle as onfield dps could be nice

[manic topaz]

hmm yeah that would be pog

[warm creek]

we can wait 12 hours(?) or so for leaks

[manic topaz]

but it kinda beats the point of hyper carry yae miko team

[manic topaz]

hmm yeah and kuki might buff yae miko

[warm creek]

forgot I can't do reactions here

[manic topaz]

lmao

[weak mountain]

Is this the yoi copium room?

[warm creek]

no

[weak mountain]

Lol

[visual badger]

what is the recomended er on each character for sunfire raiden?

[outer crow]

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[outer crow]

use an er calculator

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y3TWyYq3cXcBfSjZONL9VZ5I5FapWyjahH9JmZAUS8M/edit#gid=226190643

[lunar sky]

[outer crow]

[warm creek]

who tf is arturia this ain't fate

[blazing sand]

ask
yae totem hit enemy near totem
so c2 range not really good anymore?

[outer crow]

[strange sequoia]

unless all the enemies are somehow far away from u then her C2 range increase is mostly irrelevant now

[digital plank]

NA server is up

[outer crow]

[vapid mantle]

[flint current]

how should I build venti for Morgana?

[elder cliff]

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[pine ivy]

Sad

Got banned from Ayato tc

@lunar sky

Couldn’t answer question

[lunar sky]

Lmao you had it coming bro

[warm creek]

dont go herer pls

[pine ivy]

True

[lunar sky]

Shoulda typed your answer faster

[warm creek]

#・tc-lounge

[pine ivy]

Can’t speak there

[warm creek]

rip

[fossil turtle]

@cobalt blaze doesn't do anything about it

view perms are overriden by the tc role

[cobalt blaze]

Man

[fossil turtle]

would literally have to remove the special role for this channel to make the mute work

[small meteor]

is Ayato's signature weapon also good on Ayaka?

[steady beacon]

nope

[small meteor]

whyy?

[steady beacon]

Haran boosts normal atks but Ayaka mainly deals dmg with her Burst and her Charged atks

plus Ayaka doesn't need much crit rate which is Haran's substat

[small meteor]

AYaka's ascension mat is crit dmg right?

but Haran is my only available 5-star weapon, is this at least the best weapon in slot for Ayaka?

[outer crow]

Mistsplitter is her best by probably a considerable margin though haran is probably 2nd or 3rd considering her previous #2 was pjc

Also

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[tepid pendant]

I'm planning to do a Main DPS Mona that focuses on vaporizing normals
is 4pc Echoes of an Offering good? or is 4pc Heart of Depth still better?
has anyone tested Echoes? other than Yoimiya and Ayato
comp is Mona , Xiangling , Bennett then last slot either Yunjin/Zhongli/Sucrose btw

[timid palm]

Shinobu ult confuses me

[obtuse garnet]

same

[timid palm]

Need footage to be able to understand it ig

Doesnt specify how long the field thing lasts

[obtuse garnet]

it says it creates a barrier .. yet duration lasts 2/3.5 sec wth just %6 of HP as dmg?

wth?

[timid palm]

Actually where are we even supposed to talk about her? I feel like this is a no leaks channel

[obtuse garnet]

also her Passive also seem real bad.. %25 /75 of EM turned into dmg nd healing

i mean if she got 100 EM .. it means she will do extra 25 dmg nd heal 75 more?

[vale scarab]

U know i wonder if it will be like the thunder manifestation “ barrier”, the one that closes on you like a wall in a tomb

[cedar zodiac]

You can check the #・tc-lounge for Kuki Shinobu Thread. We do 4* as threads. Thank you

[pallid elk]

So what does yelan do ?

[timid palm]

#958681411894792192

[cerulean geyser]

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[cerulean geyser]

Please think about whether what you have to say actually belongs in this chat.

[fallen jetty]

I think it is Like amber Q, several DMG tics at the duration of 3.5 secs.
Also, 100 EM will give you 25% if i got it right. Seems useful

[weary mirage]

This doesn't mean Diluc is good or Hu tao is bad

Both have their own Niche its compared in C0
Hu tao with C1 is definitely stronger

It's just a sheet to show that a highly invested diluc isn't as bad as what people think
It's just that diluc has a super low Dmg floor and there aren't good f2p options for him and therefore isn't recommended as much as HuTao and XL

[limber narwhal]

hmm might need someone to see the calcs

I am not good with calcs. just wait maybe someone can give some comment

[weary mirage]

I see
thanks

[pine ivy]

this is nice but i think the difference in team setup favours diluc quite a lot here

FS kaz is quite a meaningful boost

and hutao isn't running her ceiling comp

i think at the very least replacing FS with iron sting would make a fairer comparison

[weary mirage]

I mean you are right in that way FS is a great buff

And about HuTao Ceiling team you mean tao xing kazuha yanfei C4 ?

[pine ivy]

yea

[real steppe]

so can anyone explain to me like I'm 5 how I should do weapon calcs?

[weary mirage]

Sure Hutaos dmg would be much more in that team
I must calculate it tho cuz her double geo team has a lot of Team dmg because of albedo

[willow pine]

is double geo even hu tao best team

double cryo with ayaka or double electro with beidou could also deal more damage

[warm creek]

does idp command work here

!idp

[patent hare]

Depends on character
Depends on weapon
Depends on move
Depends on target
Depends on moon phase
Depends on your astrological star sign

It Depends™️

[real steppe]

dmg ceiling for Tao is vv vape afaik

[willow pine]

personal damage, but not team damage

[warm creek]

still is in personal dmg afaik

team*

[agile plume]

@fallen remnant

[wide adder]

Shinobu tc channel where?

[steady beacon]

#958686317158469653

[wide adder]

Ty

[heady jackal]

Welp, I was advised to ask here so might as well try. This table seem okay? Like it is understandably and I did not leave anything out

Oh and also the base damage of the N1 cell is acting weird for some reason
It should be 4508.217

[real steppe]

are these distributed correctly?

[lunar sky]

crit rate circlet right?

oh oh i see

[real steppe]

on the first one crit rate and on the second one crit dmg

[lunar sky]

yes looks correct

[real steppe]

thanks

[pine ivy]

oh i just realised

yelan enables 18s rotation on antinational comp now

wrong room oops

[harsh path]

Wouldn’t rosaria do more damage than the buffs kazuha provides in the team Ayaka/Shenhe/Kokomi/Rosaria or Kazuha?

Or even Kaeya?

[rugged spire]

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[harsh path]

Sorry

[lunar sky]

do the people in genshin help have a lot of TC knowledge?

[rugged spire]

it's not so much tc but when it's questions about existing characters suki said to redirect to genshin help

[lunar sky]

im not sure how much theyll be able to help for more nuanced questions like that one though lol

thats like a spreadsheet question

[rugged spire]

it's not too nuanced imo

it's more just looking at the kits of the characters. Doesn't really require a sheet

[lunar sky]

i suppose, but to really know i feel like youd need to do the math

also did you ever do that childe taser calc?

people are trying to doompost ayato

[keen cradle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJ4SzFzy6hLShG6UKCHD0G4iv2-c10yqD-1AZGP2C1Y/edit?usp=sharing
updated for full team w yelan and shinobu implemented

[lunar sky]

and i want a reference for a taser of comparison

[rugged spire]

I did but I'm not at all sure it's right

[keen cradle]

weapons implemented

[fallen jetty]

[solemn sparrow]

decent? I literally just built today and havent went out of they way for artis (ignore the sands 💀 )

[rugged spire]

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[solemn sparrow]

bet

[drifting stream]

Yelan is so suspicious

[upbeat quiver]

Anyone have some precalc on yelan with SoDN?

[hasty wigeon]

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[hasty wigeon]

We can and will take mod action

[gentle stream]

could either combination of these comps make Ayato or Childe a carry? i'm really not considering meta options like xq or xiangling here.

[keen cradle]

have you looked at ayato on field in freeze

barb is doing jack all there

ayato kaz/venti diona kaeya/rose or ayato jean kaeya rose seem fine

what would be the point of chongyun? CDR is not needed when ayato’s field time often leaves his teams running over cooldowns anyway

[gentle stream]

so none of these work?

simply to make either of their personal dps higher

[halcyon abyss]

someone in help channel said that electro reactions are bad?? that just goes against everything ive heard in tc i just wanted to check if they were right

[steady beacon]

thats cap

[feral saffron]

ec and overload are great

[halcyon abyss]

ok i just really needed to hear that

lmao

i thought so

they were saying that em is a dead stat for ec teams?

[feral saffron]

its good for the anemo unit, decent for the rest

[halcyon abyss]

yeah they said that ec did like no dmg

idk anyway are sucrose taser teams even viable without fischl?

[feral saffron]

did they provide evidence for this?

[halcyon abyss]

no

[feral saffron]

afaik ec teams are marginal to each other

[halcyon abyss]

sorry wdym?

[feral saffron]

kazuha ec, sucrose ec are all similar

[halcyon abyss]

yeah but dont they all have fischl

[feral saffron]

no

[halcyon abyss]

i was specifically thinking of sara beidou xingqiu sucrose

[hasty wigeon]

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[warm creek]

pls go to tc lounge instead

[halcyon abyss]

ok that chat moves so fast lmao

[warm creek]

wait

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CXF20kKUm--Po8FBaq9CKdi1sPiu3uNVmQYfcWBzDQI/edit?usp=drivesdk

[warm creek]

wrong channel noir

[tribal delta]

Kazuha ascension bomus stat should be swapped with sucrose. Kaz should have anemo dmg and sucrose should have em

[mighty radish]

[heady jackal]

Both should have EM in if you ask me

And also Diona, Kokomi and Thoma should had HP% as ascension stat

[delicate meteor]

That's true...

Hmmm

[fallen jetty]

Kokomi actually benefits more from her hydro dmg ascension tho

[sleek heron]

ganyu beny kazu zl or childe beny kazu xl

[hasty wigeon]

Deez nuts inyo bitches or deez nuts inyo mom

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[winter steeple]

With the new artifact set primary focusing on increasing xiao's atk, would it still be worthwhile to run an atk% sands on xiao if I'm using homa on him?

Or should I give him a hp% sands

[warm creek]

^

[winter steeple]

Oh hmm

[warm creek]

atk > hp even with homa

[gentle stream]

Can someone honestly say Ayato is independent/performs well without support amps? Like Xiao for example

[warm creek]

#943485085301211227

[restive gale]

but xiao really needs support amps

[gentle stream]

he needs them, yeah, but I'm just asking about Ayato on his own.

his own personal dps lol but i know most people just slap benny/xl and couldnt care less about optimal dps

[cedar zodiac]

ill stop being lazy so that i can finish this comps assumptions
Hello! I need footage for a comp. Needs Yae, Raiden, Albedo, Zhongli. Comp is pretty simple

Yae EEE > Albedo E N1 > Raiden E N1 > Zhongli hEQ > Yae (Shard) QEEE > Raiden Q 3N3C N1C

Yae picks up a second shard on her second EEE after Q

[gentle stream]

I wanna try a Freeze Ganyu comp with venti kokomi and aloy. Since my rosaria is taken
although idk if aloy's subdps potential is good, nor how to build her
no one talks about her, and that's fine. But I doubt anyone has tried

[spice hound]

Well i havent tried myself, but its because her numbers are pretty underwhelming unless melt maybe and the other options are generally better

yeah Rose is one of them but i can trust Kaeya can also give better results

anyway for cryo characters in freeze comps youd want 4 Blizard Atk cryo crit

maybe 2blizard + 2 attack with a crit rate weapon

@gentle stream

[gentle stream]

i ended up using 4pc noblesse on her with the sac bow r5

the energy flow is great. she isnt even built, really.

i just wish freeze did more dmg to the wolfhounds, or bosses in general

[glacial ferry]

why does the extra electro dmg bonus from raidens passive not appear on her stats?

it used to be there but now its gone

only the 46% elemental bonus from her electro cup appears, not the extra elemental dmg bonus shes supposed to get from her passive (she has 250% er too)

[flint oasis]

hey! i was wondering if genshin optimizer's calculations on Echoes artifact set 4pc are accurate? this seems a little farfetched

or am i misunderating how the 4pc works

is it a flat bonus to the attack that procs this? its deff not 1.4k%

[west talon]

Is yelan E an aoe? Or single target?

[warm creek]

looks like flat because it's only atk × mv%

[flint oasis]

so how good would that make it for yoimiya?

better than shime? consider you would have to sacrifice burst and A4 passive?

[warm creek]

there's calcs in library submissions about yoi with shime or echoes, but I haven't checked it myself either

[flint oasis]

ok thanks ill check it out

where is that?

[warm creek]

library submissions channel just look below

[flint oasis]

oh ok thanks

[warm creek]

@flint oasis btw ask in genshin help they might have the answer you need

[flint oasis]

no i think i already figured it out

thanks

[timber topaz]

hey sorry if this isn’t the right channel but where is kuki theorycrafting?

[warm creek]

thread in tc lounge

[worthy osprey]

Is it me or is shinobu ult a bit empty

[warm creek]

don't go here for casual talk

[west talon]

Is there a yelan calculating spreadsheet available yet? I can’t seem to find one in the yelan theorycrafting channel

[warm creek]

none I know of sorry

[weak pagoda]

What do u guys think of shinobu? I think she shines at c2 and c4

[warm creek]

not here pls, go to thread in #・tc-lounge

[halcyon abyss]

honestly unless you just really like aloy kaeya will prob be better

[warm creek]

Keqing E E
Kazuha tapE
Bennett E Q
Fischl E
Kazuha Q
Keqing E Q E 4N1C
Kazuha holdE
Fischl Q
Keqing E Q E 4N1C

can someone test this if possible, need opinions on how to improve it

[hasty wigeon]

now this is something that belongs here

[knotty oyster]

seraph did i do this right

idk why the sound is like that

mute when watching the audio is fucked

heres another one

[violet anvil]

what should I focus on Ayato's talents

should I upgrade autos too?

like hutao

[steady beacon]

better to ask in the help channel or ayato tc but no, getting levels on his autos is very low priority. skill is the main focus then burst

[waxen lagoon]

is new artefact work for childe

[north meadow]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

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[north meadow]

Just visit tc lounge and wait for some people to answer

[waxen lagoon]

thank you for the reply

[fervent knoll]

Shinobu tc channel when?

[warm creek]

already a thread in tc lounge

[coarse haven]

what do you guys think about these two

atk goes from 1705 -> 1765 when I swap

[fluid swift]

Let's talk about yelan bc yelan tc had a different idea

[rugged spire]

I hate you /j

what did you want to talk about

[fluid swift]

How much does yelan gain if she's in a situation where her ER requirements weren't as high

[rugged spire]

uh as of now her ER needs aren't that bad since she averages 3.7 particles on tap E and 3.8 particles on hold E w a 10s cooldown and the fact that she doesn't care about weapon base atk means you could easily run fav or elegy on her

Though ofc her not needing to run much ER means you can invest into more offensive stats

let's continue this is #・tc-lounge

[split kayak]

how good is aqua simulacra compared to other 5 star bows?

[hearty cairn]

NONONONO

he doesnt double scale only upgrade e and q

[hearty cairn]

it seems very good, the high crit dmg makes it universally usable and the stats just add to the good bade atk anf rlly high pre existing amg

i think in most situations it can outperform almost ever bow except for thundering pulse bc of how thundering pulse interacts with some characters kits

[smoky wedge]

Does anyone have a sheet for raiden yae Jean Sara?

[tiny mantle]

childe

[hasty wigeon]

!!questions

[misty thistle]

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[grave delta]

Out of curiosity has anyone here been testing Echoes?

Because it does not work as advertised, but also I can't for the life of me figure out how it works.

For example:
My Zhongli's first two spearkick hits are linked, in that they either proc together or not at all.
My Zhongli can proc up to the first three spearkick hits but apparently not all four.
Another person's Zhongli has all four spearkick hits linked. (Might be due to lag)
My Zhongli has had seven hits in quick succession without a proc.
The other person's Zhongli has had a full spearkick combo without a proc.
Yoi N1-1 and N1-2 seem to proc independently so both can proc, but it seems like only one of N4-1 or N4-2 can proc but not both for my Yoi.
My Yoi's N1-1 and N1-2 become linked if I hug the enemies leg.
Yoi C6 Kindling arrows seem to proc independently, and so both N5 and it's Kindling can proc, or just one or the other.

None of this makes sense with the description of the set as written (except maybe the leg-hugging bit, since maybe that makes N1-1 and N1-2 fit into the 0.05 second buff timer?)

I have no idea how to make sense of all these findings.

[sterile elk]

a long time ago when i tested zhongli's spearkick it behaved differently than almost all other melee attacks in that it can't chop trees, i'm not sure if his melees have some weird property. from all the other stuff you mentioned though it sounds like the set is either broken or working in a very weird way

[grave delta]

Yeah, I'm inclined to think it has to be spaghetti-coded in a very weird way, but I would like help figuring out what exactly is making it behave so weirdly, so we can get a good grasp of what attacks can proc it and how to maximize procs and so on.

Like, I can explain why the spaghetti code means that Raiden can't utilize Beidou. I would like it if we could figure out a similar (probably even more complex...) explanation for how in the world this set works.

[rich coral]

Are there any templates for rotation calcs? I want to do Kuki, but starting from scratch seems like a 5-hour job.

[dusk anvil]

hello do we have a tierlist of the best weapon for ayato please ? because i dont really know if i should go for haran

[mighty radish]

#943485085301211227 message

[warm creek]

you may check pins in #・tc-lounge for eli's template

[jagged cargo]

should i not level it at all? or just to level 5 or what

[hearty cairn]

Not at all lol

He doesn’t double scale like yoi or tao

[strange crown]

👋 how do I calculate CV of a circlet ? I feel like I should use another formula, or do I just count substat only like any other artifacts ?

[warm creek]

cr*2 + cd (only applies to artifacts)

[strange crown]

I know that
I was asking for circlet specifically

so I guess it's the same then ?

[real steppe]

yea

[strange crown]

[hoary hedge]

should diluc be vaping every single one of his hits consistently when paired with xingqiu?

[hasty wigeon]

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[misty thistle]

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[upbeat quiver]

N2E N2E N2E for XQvapes

[south minnow]

is this accurate?

[outer crow]

i mean it looks okay, but there are no numbers to back up any of it

also !!questions

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[misty thistle]

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[obtuse garnet]

hello folks .. did anyone here did any calcs over Aqua vs Thundering Pulse (or other bows) for Yoimiya or any other bow DPS charas?

[night palm]

Short answer: For Yoimiya, probably no.

TP has high NA DMG bonus, and has pretty much no restrictions. It also has a bunch of Atk% attached to it with higher base atk.

Aqua's DMG bonus is restricted when enemies are nearby and is lower than TP.

For Ganyu; maybe, if you're running Freeze Ganyu. Not so much if you're running Melt Ganyu.

Childe; mostly same case with TP on Yoimiya, but Childe's current BiS is Polar Star and will remain so.

Every other Bow user; has some uses.

Diona: why?; Fischl: pretty good?; Gorou: again, no point; Sara: heck, no. Base Atk too low; Venti: don't bother;

anyone else?

[humble tiger]

for melt ganyu i got:

aqua v1 beta = 112%
skyward harp (no passive) = 109%
prototype crescent r5 = 100%

however before anyone asks no i can't send my sheet as it's from my master sheets and i don't share those. also this is just me messing around so there may be an error so u can wait for someone else to corroborate if they get similar stuff

[obtuse garnet]

how about for TP ?

a friend is asking if he should be pulling Aqua for Ganyu or no

[humble tiger]

i only did weapons i have lol

[obtuse garnet]

[humble tiger]

but a quick assessment is no he shouldn't

a quick glance at other peoples calcs and i see tpulse fractionally higher than harp in general

[obtuse garnet]

he seem to be desperate for a 5* bow for his Ganyu nd or Childe

personally i said to him that he should wait for Thundering Pulse but thats just me .. i dont have the calcs to back it up at all as well

[humble tiger]

all the 5 star bows are fairly similar in general. as long as he has 1 there's not much value in forcing an upgrade unless they're a whale, but then do what u want idc

[obtuse garnet]

seems like he got no 5* weps as well thats why he seem to be desperate

[humble tiger]

then i recommend waiting for one that has the best banner

yelan can easily have a shitty skyward weapon on hers

[obtuse garnet]

well can understand his situation for 5* wep for his favorite chars .. as i m same for Yoimiya tbh am simply hauling everything for Yoimiya rerun so i can finally get TP for her nd luckly might try some cons for her

[obtuse garnet]

[humble tiger]

tldr; if they're desperate then pull this, if not just wait until the banner rate ups are both valuable

spend accordingly relative to wallet level

[obtuse garnet]

[gentle stream]

do I even need to level rosaria's talents when paired with eula? Her damage isn't like, anything to write home about in a physical comp, right

[broken skiff]

How’s C4 Childe in a freeze team as off field hydro enabler?

[zealous eagle]

This is what I have for ganyu, freeze and melt,left coloumn is buffed

[obtuse garnet]

great .. tnx mate .. i will deliver this to my fren

bdw which is melt nd which is freeze?

[zealous eagle]

The one that rates amos higher is melt

[obtuse garnet]

okay

[hasty wigeon]

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[misty thistle]

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[feral isle]

pretty good, i like him a lot

koko is cheaper but with c4 childe you don't have to worry about jellyfish cd time

[fluid swift]

Since you don't really care about heals if that's an option you can also just stack ER on koko and get smth similar anyway

[elder cliff]

@fluid swift here the footage

[agile plume]

Wat

[elder cliff]

@agile plume how does jellyfish duration/jelly procs work

also

see the 3rd/4th sample

[agile plume]

Jellyfish duration is reset to 12s at the end of burst.

[elder cliff]

yeah, that's what I figured, but there's something sketchy going on

I think it resets exactly at Q Init Hit

[agile plume]

The third and fourth get 7 procs because the refresh happened right before a jelly proc.

The timer of the pulses itself don't change it seems

Only remaining duration

[elder cliff]

pulse interval doesn't change yeah, it takes the former E internval/timing

but I still don't understand, from what I see jellyduration ends at 767 (which I think is in line with init hit at 51f, then added by 720f from reset = 770f

but there's still tick happened at 791 and 796

[agile plume]

Hitlag probably

[elder cliff]

....jelly procs give hitlag?

[agile plume]

…do they?

[elder cliff]

I highly doubt it but I can check ig

[agile plume]

Or

[elder cliff]

nah I don't think so

no hitlag

[agile plume]

Maybe the jelly lasts more than 720f

But it's effectively 720f for normal E usage

It only gets messed up with Q refreshes

[elder cliff]

or the pulse 'snaps' for its queued proc before 720f

hmmm lemme do some lil math

[elder cliff]

ok, I think this is the case

maybe around 20f to 30f (330-500ms) extension

eh I'll jsut take 12.5 then

[elder cliff]

yeah effectively, maybe because there's no way to manipulate the timing/interval for pure E eventhough the duration was extended by 0.5s. The 6th proc happened right at 720f so that 30f extension would be useless

probably MHY did this to make sure the 6th proc always happens

[restive gale]

which one is melt and which one is freezez and for the second table, is aqua r5?

[zealous eagle]

First is melt, second is freeze

Aqua is R1 unless otherwise stated

[restive gale]

THANKS

sorry caps

[long ermine]

does leveling hu tao na or e grant the most damage

[long ermine]

ok I took her NA from 8 to 10 and my Ca went from 54k to 63k

[elder cliff]

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[hybrid mortar]

Has anyone seen this?

[real steppe]

yes why?

[hybrid mortar]

Usage on Ayaka freeze is way too high, I believe cryo herald release will be timed to indirectly nerf ayaka freeze in 2.8 (after kazuha rerun)

90% usage is ungodly

[real steppe]

well it's user-submitted data

and they made the 2nd half specifically for freeze so

[hybrid mortar]

Well yes, however, 90% usage is still MUCH MUCH higher than what it should be

[ancient mirage]

Seeing Raiden that low puts a tear in my eye

[upbeat junco]

need shenhe rerun before cryo nerf

[hybrid mortar]

its a freeze nerf not a cryo nerf

melt comps can still melt herald shields

[real steppe]

honestly the majority of people who submit their data are probably in touch enough with the meta to know freeze is perfect for second half

so i don't think it's indicative of the actual amount of players playing it

kokomi always sits at 80%+ usage rate no matter what

[pastel solstice]

Cowards

[pastel solstice]

I mean if u have ayaka why wouldnt u use her

Im not saying that data is good cos its not

But it says that 90% of ppl who own ayaka used her to full clear it

[hybrid mortar]

yes but 90% of people also own other characters but chose ayaka in specific to clear it

point is its too powerful

its not a choice; it has become so good that it is mandated

as demonstrated by 90% usage

[pastel solstice]

I mean if i had ayaka i would 100% use her

Its either her or yangu

[real steppe]

those chambers were made specifically for it to be powerful

and it is a choice because you can still clear without freeze

i did 2nd half with hu tao and yae

[hybrid mortar]

90% of people using the same team that contains 3 5 stars are still too much

[pastel solstice]

I mean they do be broken in this abyss

I dont see a single reason why u wouldnt use kazuha vs triple lectors

[pastel solstice]

Thats not how this works

U need to have the character to use it

So if u have all the 5* using them isnt too much

[hybrid mortar]

Using Kazuha is not the issue

[pastel solstice]

Its not that every person in the world used ayaka its that almost every ayaka haver used her

[hybrid mortar]

using Ayaka Kokomi freeze team

with a 90% usage

is the issue

[hybrid mortar]

Exactly

[pastel solstice]

No one said they are used together

I could have ayaka and not kokomi

Increases ayakas usage but doesnt do anything to koko

[mighty radish]

Why is this an issue? This abyss was literally made for Ayaka to be used since she has a rerun on the second half of the patch

[real steppe]

^

it's meant to be this high

also there are 2 cryo dps that you can take for freeze

there isn't really a lot of competition to dilute the numbers

[real steppe]

the samplesize for this is under 3.7k users too

[vale scarab]

i cant believe still pretending that usage rate measures power

[candid temple]

its more of "whats the trend this patch" than power.

[zealous eagle]

and also "Whats the shiniest toy"

[craggy lantern]

also koko so nice vs double pyro lector

[north meadow]

Aight this ain't the place for usage rate talks

[north meadow]

Bring this talks to #・tc-lounge not here

Take this as a verbal warning for all of u

[weary mirage]

question : what does STP mean? ive tried searching but to no avail

[elder cliff]

I don't have much time because I have to go to work shortly

but Raiden e procs every 0.9s, but that 0.9s is cooldown, not pure DoT

so usually it'll proc more than 1s, somtimes evne 1.5s, depends on dmg tick you got with your other team members

also that proc follows standard ICD (2.5s/3hit)

so it's very unlikely to get 100% EC uptime with Raiden E Proc alone

unless it's in Raiden's Q string phase where now we have abundant amount of Electro application

in that short moment (~8s), then yes it's 100% EC uptime if not close

@nocturne warren

[nocturne warren]

so its 1E + 1H = 1EC in usual cases

[elder cliff]

2EC actually

each EC tick 'eats' 0.4u

[nocturne warren]

so for context, the team i’m trying to study is raiden/xingqiu/yelan/sayu

and how much EC and swirls the team gets

so far i think my guess is correct?

[elder cliff]

can't help you there if that's the question, at least now. I don't have quick method to ballpark EC number

[elder cliff]

what guess?

[nocturne warren]

inside raiden EQ, xingqiu Q and yelan Q, there is both enough electro and hydro to maintain 100% uptime on EC on the primary target

[elder cliff]

oh, yeah just like what I said, if it's inside Raiden's Q string, it's pretty much 100% uptime EC yeah

[nocturne warren]

which might make sense if previously there was not enough hydro with xingqiu alone

i am not totally sure on that

[warm creek]

why not

[elder cliff]

honestly I think XQ alone (C6) would suffice to get 100% uptime

[warm creek]

you could test it right now

[nocturne warren]

i don’t have c6 which is why i need to ask

c5 atm

[warm creek]

I don't have a raiden either

should we take this to tc lounge?

[elder cliff]

here's the application with XQ C6 alone

not perfect, but close to 100% uptime ig

maybe 90%

[nocturne warren]

i started this topic from tc-lounge

[elder cliff]

no, EC talks have my permission to be discussed here

[warm creek]

alright

[elder cliff]

btw my time's up, you can ask vinsette if you need more help or any TC mod who's active here

[nocturne warren]

in theory the best 4th slots on raiden/xingqiu/yelan are pyro or anemo

my goal is to understand the reaction profile of each of these pyro/anemo in conjunction with said core

and establish if double hydro provides extra value

i believe i found my answers for now, thank you

[knotty oyster]

did i do this right @cedar zodiac

[cedar zodiac]

yeah\

[cedar zodiac]

have you tried cancelling some of the E frames with your CA?

[knotty oyster]

uh

[cedar zodiac]

its fine either way

e cancel is 1 second iirc

[knotty oyster]

is it supposed to be that log

its like 28s no

[cedar zodiac]

in my test (was using sucrose but added n2s to fill up the time gap), bennett buff should reach until the second n2c up to the 3rd with lingering

[knotty oyster]

lemme see if i can get a better run

[cedar zodiac]

all the buffs should be 10 seconds and she takes 12 iirc on the field

the yanfei on field time can be better imo

maybe N1 EQC 3N2C EC

[knotty oyster]

why the n1?

[cedar zodiac]

dodoco passive

should be in frame with the EQ

[knotty oyster]

Oh

[knotty oyster]

@cedar zodiac the best i could do w old CA string am sorry

[cedar zodiac]

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[muted zenith]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RMkCsQyht765JZlZSPPcbbwcwmcl-htd/edit#gid=847999601

[knotty oyster]

hb this

[knotty oyster]

MUTE IT AUDIO BROCKEN

[cedar zodiac]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e3NFDtFoP3a0yrHTzpjkAhHIAcXHN9anNIHCKJipYmc/edit?usp=sharing

er killed the dps tbh

[knotty oyster]