・theorycrafting

[amber olive]

so

youre missing one of those multipliers

[lofty wave]

leifo

can i tell you a secret?

[amber olive]

atp i wouldnt run koko idt

[amber olive]

ill tell you one in exchange

[lofty wave]

my Crit koko is actually not that far behind in percentile from her set.

[amber olive]

and mine is that I JUST ROLLED A DOGSHIT PIECE

[lofty wave]

lmao

[amber olive]

😔

[lofty wave]

ill roll one in your honor

[amber olive]

good luck soldier

[lofty wave]

in your honor

its GT

[lofty wave]

so back to my question

how bad do you reckon it would be

sorry

good

cuz it doesnt have kazuha

[amber olive]

i mean

youre losing ALOT

coz its a mono hydro team

he buffs all 3 chars dmg

with both DMG% and res shred

[lofty wave]

rip the dream

gotta wait for Hydro chevurse

[amber olive]

if u dont want kazu youd probably be better off changing the onfielder to noelle

or some other onfielder + healer

[lofty wave]

actually no

i have a uhh

C6 jean

i use

but you wanna know what the issue is?

Jean Furina Yelan XQ is worse than Jean Furina Yelan Kazuha

when i was doing some tests

[amber olive]

sounds about right

lower CDs of double anemo kinda clutch

especially when its not a 21s rot to begin with

[lofty wave]

ye

and XQ fucks up timings

[lapis whale]

Is c6 lynett better than c0 wanderer?

[small gate]

No, Sadly Lynett offer nothing even with C6

• Wanderer Is On-field unit with high range.
• Lynett Is off-field unit with limited range.

[echo timber]

Comparing them is crazy

But lynette c6 it's still decent with faruzan, but if you have scara use scara

[clear ivy]

they said c6

[clear ivy]

she's a great unit at using faruzan and helps stacking up furina while being less demanding of IR like a certain hat guy

and she has some very high sim dps

comparable if not higher

buuuuuuuuuuuuut

a lot of that could be due to low rotation time (like how keqing gets high dps these day even when the DPR is not much) , and her normal reach isn't crazy

wanderer has good AoE all things considered

[echo timber]

Yeah

I would go with lynette if you get annoyed by scara's IR issues

[clear ivy]

i would alternate between them because both can be fun in their own right and they run the same units

[echo timber]

yeah fair

[clear ivy]

the issue is having a c6 lynette

[echo timber]

If they have mika scara w atk spd is funni

[clear ivy]

well it's not an issue for arle pullers

[echo timber]

Yea

[low shale]

bro

[clear ivy]

😭

go for c1

[low shale]

no thanks

I want SigeW

[clear ivy]

she's a sunk cost character anyways

[clear ivy]

good luck soldier 😭

[low shale]

and her sig

[low shale]

there are other cons I care more about getting that Chino C1 tbh

[clear ivy]

ok maybe that's a lot less miserable then

[low shale]

her sig its so cute man

[vivid ember]

im getting sige as i need to make a nilou bloom video with her

[low shale]

[clear ivy]

sigwin
sigebin

[lapis whale]

Does child like lyenye’s bow?

Lyney

[lapis whale]

Sheesh my childe eating good

[lapis whale]

Is lyney bow good on fish?

[low shale]

yes 👍

[lapis whale]

What the diff from r4 stringless in aggrevate?

[fallen jetty]

Like holding Sige ca?

[vivid ember]

i dont really know

but

i have to

some combination of CA spam w/ bubbles mixed in

[shrewd flower]

do you guys have dmg chart of the best teams ingame ??

words on the street is we gettin an event where we fight boss monsters with 1 billion HP , i wonder which are the best chars to bring

[unkempt sandal]

c6 plunge furina is the highest dps team

[shrewd flower]

[lofty wave]

@vivid ember i actually have some questions for you nilou related

[vivid ember]

[lofty wave]

for the basic Nahida nilou core.

Is the Kokomi/Barbara + Baizhu team really not the best one for her.

to formulate it better. Is a Triple EM Driver really not much better than say a standard DPS with EM slapped on?

[vivid ember]

Generally I would state that the "best" c0 Nilou setup is Nilou/Nahida/Kokomi/Collei, when you're looking in terms of speedclearing, as it focuses on pure AoE bloom potential where solid DPS doesn't help much due to a lack of buffs vs semi-quadratic AoE scaling

However, even in a team like this there is some flexibility in builds like Kokomi being able to run 4p Clam EM/EM/HB as a solid replacement for 4p FoPL especially in ST provided you have the ER for her.
Baizhu also comes in as an ST option similar to Collei, where he can prevent aura flips good in ST but not in AoE, while providing the bloom damage buff of ~10%. Baizhu is still really strong in AoE with his survivability, but doesn't quite take the edge for speedrunning.

The Furina bloom setup is a strong option especially in the current abyss with Coppelius, where either you sacrifice Nilou's weapon for the Narzissenkreuz sword potentially losing key, replace your 2nd dendro with Kirara/DMC (DMC can mainly be a comfort pick with good AoE and less micromanaging, while Kirara can rival Collei with good usage and also providing extra shielding) and give them the Narzissenkreuz sword instead, or bring Furina for her Arkhe attack. Furina bloom is generally a really good team at c0, building her on standard DPS artifacts doing both the Hydro and Dendro damage which is good for lower AoE or Dendro-immune enemies, but won't directly win out vs a purebloom setup at low investment except with boss chambers due to having a lot less blooms that deal a lot less damage.

Furina bloom does bring very high vertical scaling potential, with what I would say is the strongest Nilou dolphin team that I use myself with at least c2 Nilou+Furina (of course excluding Neuv because it's Neuv, you should probably run him in his own team anyway). About running a standard DPS vs a DPS with EM slapped on depends a lot on who you are using, Kokomi, Barbara, Xingqiu, Ayato & Candace win out on EM builds due to their hydro application potential, Yelan can run either pretty comfortably, and Furina and Neuv are better on pure DPS builds (I've made a standard about this, but I haven't really made any proper claims about it so I wont go on about it further now).

TLDR; A lot has been mentioned about different units, but that's because generally deciding on a "best" team is hard when they all have different situation usage, but overall you will find the Koko+Collei core as the strongest option, with a lot of sidegrade teams including Koko+Baizhu and Furina+Baizhu. Different DPS units have different wants for Bloom teams, but most do want to be a Triple EM driver from their hydro application vs damage output but they all have their own breakpoint.

[unkempt sandal]

what do you think about nilou w alhaitham?

[vivid ember]

my favourite bloom team when alhaitham released was using him for burst quickswap with Barbara which honestly just felt better than using him as a driver, however i believe now with furina he is a pretty competent pick for multiwave and non-nahida teams

[mossy spruce]

where can i find a spreadsheet of neuvillettes weapons compared

[vivid ember]

i've just had the chance to try and use him in furina bloom, and honestly i do just prefer the team without him. Trying him on triple kenki it was slower to use him on-field than just burst quickswap with him so i can use Nilou's burst for the blooms. It might be slightly biased on that due to me having a high-invest nilou (c6 w/ 83.2/204 ratio) and c2 furina making the run short anyway, but i wasn't getting better performances with him than running AFK setup with nahida, who as there is no main onfielder in that team is able to just spam her E whenever she wants to for uptime

Also trying on Coppelius I haven't been able to get a 1-cycle, meaning i'd have to sacrifice his uptime anyway, vs the 1-cycle i was able to get with Nahida there instead

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[mossy spruce]

on average how many times does bloom explode per second

[lapis whale]

Question, what diff is neuv sig vs bp weapon?

[unkempt sandal]

r1 tome vs r5 sac jade is almost equal

r5 sac jade is better in vaporize team

[sand trout]

try the mastersheet from the neuvi faq

[whole lion]

Neuvillette kazuha furina baizhu

[lapis whale]

hello i have a hutao team

hutao furina xinqiu and jean

it feels so scuffed cause i cant swirl with jean

what do i do?

my vapes with dragon bane r4 are 50k

to 70k

31k hp

71 crit rate (mar set considered) with 211 crit dmg

i dont understand

why is she dealing so little damage

[wooden belfry]

that team can never swirl pyro

[lapis whale]

So it just sucks?

[fallen jetty]

No it is a good team. Xq and furina deals a lot of dmg too

[lapis whale]

But considering hutao is doing most of the damage and she is strictly st in this team

[fallen jetty]

Also, which talent levels and how much em do you have? Hutao also likes to be under 50% HP, which she probably won't have with jean on team

[lapis whale]

250ish em

To 320

I believe

Imagine if I had staff of thoma

She feels honestly outright awful to play at c0

[fallen jetty]

If you want a defensive option, you can go with a shielder, which will keep get on low HP and get her that sweet 33% pyro dmg. Or with sucrose if you don't want a defensive option

[lapis whale]

I would use zhongli if Arlechino wasn’t hogging him

And shouldn’t furina be a bigger boost in damage?

With her buff?

[fallen jetty]

That is tao for you. Cancels are hard and clunky if you are not used to it

[lapis whale]

Played with her for over a year, still feels clunky

Just benched her recently for c2 wanderer

[fallen jetty]

It depends, you should be getting a lot of fanfare with that team and hutao losing 30% HP, that is 60 stacks already

[lapis whale]

I hate hutao

Tbh

If only she was more reliant from her own kit for more damage like Arlechino who can hit 50ks with no buffers for the first few seconds

[fallen jetty]

Front loaded dmg x sustained dmg I guess

[low shale]

what does that even mean?

[lapis whale]

Front loaded damage

Arle can do 50k in her first few attacks

It’s more comfy

[low shale]

okay?

[lapis whale]

Bro hutao’s damage consistent but it feels horrible

Cause it isn’t as frontloaded and she’s clunky at c0

In short I can dish a big amount of damage in a short time frame and I need more field time to stay on the clunkiestcharacter in game

[lapis whale]

Hence why arle > hutao

[low shale]

sure sure 👍

[amber olive]

funny enough your off fielders are the majority of damage in a tao team most of the time as well

[lapis whale]

Oh damn rly?

I throughly since hutao > Arlechino in their best teams , hutao would have more personal damage

I’m assuming these best teams have constellation 5 stars?

[lapis whale]

Ic u don’t understand, well this problem is exclusive to players with no cons or sig

[low shale]

👍

[amber olive]

i dont have her c1 and have builds that dont use her sig and im perfectly fine personally

but im also happy to do jump cancels and plunge combos

so arlecchino would take quite a bit of investment for me to consider pulling

[fallen jetty]

I don't think they do. You can check gcsim for that.
Also, if you just want to shit on tao, I think the better place would be #1216682397605691422 , check it out!

[amber olive]

😭

[lapis whale]

But I would need xianyun 100% to make her preform optimally? (Hoping I don’t have to bench hutao)

[unkempt sandal]

Hu tao can still take vv vape or double hydro

[echo timber]

Arle can do vv vape 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Hell, she can do both

[unkempt sandal]

wasn’t talking about her

[lapis whale]

can lynette use furina sword?

I just realized how much better event sword is on furina compared to her BiS

what is c6 lynette best team without c6 bennet?

[fallen jetty]

Lynnette has some really nice teams. I really recommend you to check gcsim for this type of things, as it shows rotation and stats more accurately: https://simpact.app/database
Just be careful on healer less furina teams

[lapis whale]

Bro no team there has Lynette sucrose faruzan combination

[echo timber]

Why would you use sucrose there

[lunar pebble]

Hey there are hyper lynette comps on gcsim!

[lapis whale]

I don’t have xinyun

[lapis whale]

Off field anemo and double e

Basically Lynette and sucrose can do big pp damage

And just more grouping overall

[echo timber]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[clear ivy]

there are also good ones without xianyun

[fallen jetty]

https://gcsim.app/db/jQW8mBBgtwNW#

[rose crown]

that’s dps faruzan

[fallen jetty]

Bro wants a good Lynnette without team faruzan and Xianyun
She is Lynnette not Bennett

[mossy spruce]

do yelan's ult buff and yunjin's NA dmg buff come into the dmg calc separately from goblet edmg%?

i wanna know if its worth swapping to an atk% goblet in case it reaches diminishing returns

[echo timber]

Yunjins dmg buff is flat dmg

[mossy spruce]

nono i mean her c2

and yelan's A2 passive

are they grouped with elemental dmg% or do they come separately in the calcs?

[vivid ember]

yes

all forms of dmg% are additive

even like mona's Q as a debuff is just +dmg%

[mossy spruce]

it wasnt a yes or no question 😭

[mossy spruce]

and is that dmg% separately calculated

[vivid ember]

^

[fallen jetty]

!!optimizer

[misty thistle]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[fallen jetty]

Just use this

[granite vortex]

Yes both are grouped with elemental DMG, as all of the mentioned are considered bonus DMG%

[mossy spruce]

any idea where diminishing returns start to become a problem?

[granite vortex]

No, sorry, that would depend on the character and skill and base atk and such, I believe

[mossy spruce]

alr ty anyways

oh also

does Arle's NA bond of life scaling count as dmg bonus?
i dont expect it to but just checking to make sure

[vivid ember]

you only get atk% devaluation from base ATK if you are running bennett, often you are but it is something to remember

base atk values dont inherently make atk% less effective as its all a multipliers game

+100% atk on 1k base attack is the same relative increase as +100% atk on 500 base atk, the absolute value is higher but it doesnt make atk% less effective just because the base is lower (unless bennett)

[vivid ember]

arle's BoL is extra MV, works in the same way as shenhe/yunjin quills

[unkempt sandal]

not quite the same as shenhe, quills are additive dmg bonus while arlecchino effectively gives bonus MV

additive dmg bonus doesn’t benefit from the atk of the character using it

[vivid ember]

Arle's BoL bonus can be worked out as a flat dmg increase, quills are just extra MV from a source whether it's from the character or a different character

It's still a Quill if Shenhe triggers the damage herself

[mossy spruce]

how many ticks does ganyus ult do on single target?

[jovial smelt]

10 if 1 target, 20 if 2 target, 30 if 3 target, etc. Max 50. If I remember correctly
Each tick can hit multiple ennemies if they are close enough

[amber olive]

should be 50 at 60fps yeah

if u play at 30fps or have bad unstable framerates it can be like 46-47 funny enough

[lapis whale]

what is dps diff of festering desire furina and sig?

cause it feels outright horrible playing her with her sig

with 0 er

[signal breach]

assuming the same ER ~15%

[lapis whale]

ic thx

[narrow fossil]

Whats this narcissen artifact set?

[jovial smelt]

Childe one ?

[vivid ember]

Nymph's Dream

The OG text was "Dream of Narcissus"

[low shale]

The lore is still about the Narcissus Cross right?

[fallen jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[lapis whale]

Question since blood stained artifact gives 0 cost on CA. Is it in theory hutao’s bis for C0?

Cause C1 gives a 20% dps increase?

[amber olive]

the issue is you need to get a kill to activate the set which will eat into her field time, which will also lead to her having field time where shes still using stamina

additionally c1 isnt always going to be a 20% DPS increase

it depends what combos youre using and how much skill tissue you have anyways

[hazy cove]

Hi, by any chance do you have some examples of simulations in wfpsim with Sethos? I would like to see some to understand how to execute it

[amber olive]

we've mainly been experimenting with stuff like N2RR/N2W, but hes looking pretty impressive

https://wfpsim.com/sh/0eccc275-153b-4eed-8a8c-a242cc16da94

walk frames may be a bit off because its a rough guesstimate but its less precise than RR cancels would be

but the cancels to get more N2s out are very big

[hazy cove]

Normal attack combo, is there a version with charged attacks?

[amber olive]

idt many ppl have been experimenting with CAs? his Q just seems better to use currently

[hazy cove]

I don't know, I'll try, but I suppose that for charged attacks there's nothing special to do except placing (aim), right? Or do they place something additional?

[hazy cove]

Good to know, in that case, I'll be testing things with normal attacks. Thank you very much.

[gaunt ridge]

Btw guys, due to the recent rumors of Lvl 100 characters soon I decided to create a graph to show how Base ATK increases through a characters lvl ups to predict how the Base ATK would increase for a lvl 100 character. Thought it might be cool to see or try to predict. So this is Arlecchino's predicted Base ATK increase. She would have 382 base Atk at level 100 though you can see where that name comes from here

[narrow fossil]

Stupid foul left us with more questions than answers this morning

[narrow fossil]

Do you think they might increase ascension stats like cdmg er or elemental dmg bonus as well?

[echo timber]

Perhaps

[narrow fossil]

Man can’t wait for hp scaling and em scaling characters to be even more broken

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[thin gazelle]

how much dmg % difference between childe +1 NA vs furina with nuev ?

[tidal stag]

depends on your team but i believe its between 12-24%

[lapis whale]

question

why does furina need less er in hutao teams compared to neuv teams?

even though I run xinqiue and nuev together

[cobalt blaze]

#・genshin-help

[clear ivy]

That is not the case, what are the team assumptions

[lapis whale]

furina e ult > jean e burst > xinqiu e q > jean e > hutao

furina e ult > nuev e ult > jean e q > xinqiue e q > jean e > nuev CA

since jean have fav

she should trigger fav twice

my furina has 120 er

and furina consistently gets burst up with hutao team

nuev is the opposite

somehow

[echo timber]

Funnel moment

Do xq qe furina qe jean eq hu tao instead

Why you start with furina?

[clear ivy]

Idk how you're going about executing your rotations but the neuvi team should be LARGELY winning

Unless you're doing 30s rots 2 burst/rot kinda thing

What you can do is neuvi E swap furina Q

This gives her 4-8 upfront particles

This is how i run 120% no fav furina with neuvillette fischl heizou

[lapis whale]

I want to proc fav twice

Pretty clutch at times too since there are moments where furina is one particle away from ult

[lapis whale]

I tried, still has some er issues

And tbh, idk how u can do that with 120 er in that team

But the hutao team is very consistent, even in abyss

It only fails when Jean fails to prove fav twice

[echo timber]

I smell skill issue tbh

Wait triple hydro neuvillette????

[narrow fossil]

Do u guys expect 4.8 to have any new characters?

[golden acorn]

mmmmm no

[unkempt sandal]

could have emilie but also could have no one

[rare tundra]

Brand New for star 🤩

[abstract phoenix]

Is there a leaks chat for WuWa or no?

[rare tundra]

maybe not,,,, maybe in a different server?

[pine ivy]

There’s still Emilie

But we’ll see

[wooden belfry]

Does anybody know how furina's c2 affect the difference between hp goblet and hydro goblet? On c0 they are supposed to be fairly on par. Does the excess HP gained from c2 tip the scale to hydro damage? Or is it balanced by the crazy amount of damage% the instant fanfare capping provide?

[clear ivy]

The way i understand c2 favors hydro damage% but they're still competitive

[wooden belfry]

[amber olive]

its effectively just "whichever has more crit" the higher up you go honestly

just you can get HP% substat on hydro% too

[clear ivy]

I guess it also depends on the weapon but that's been the same with c0

[marble raft]

how does the sigewinne bow look on yelan

[wooden belfry]

terrible. Its just an hp% stick

yelan can't get the cr from the passive

[golden acorn]

is kirara and baizhu enough dendro app for cyno....?

kirara with c4 ofc

[wooden belfry]

Yes, tho it kinda feels lackluster in aoe at times

But the advantage is it's 100% better than nahida when the content has waves. If you gotta stop mid rotation to recast nahida E it both mess up the rotation, and cyno's energy gen [which is usually tight as is].

[golden acorn]

ok what about dendro traveler?

[clear spear]

speaking of cyno

ssuming c2 furina and c0r1 nahida, is c0r0 baizhu still the best last spot?

or is it better to get another hydro unit for more blooms, or maybe electro for more damage/energy? since you don't need much healing to cap c2 furi fanfare

not that easy to calc since idk how baizhu's app affects the number of blooms/quicken uptime/fanfare generation

[golden acorn]

@wooden belfry

[golden acorn]

double dendro is good for cyno and baizhu boosts all dendro reactions dmg

[halcyon abyss]

for comfort probably

but kuki might be similar dmg

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[karmic rock]

I'm not really sure how melt-burning works...

[elder swift]

it's more or less just using burning as a pyro aura for cryo characters to melt

[karmic rock]

I understand that but it's more about the gauge units...
So lets say nahida's 1.5u and idk 1u of pyro.
How does that leave a pyro aura?

[vivid ember]

burning is an aura on its own, that acts as Pyro for the purposes of melting&vaping

[karmic rock]

Yeah but underneath the burning aura there's denro and pyro being reduced over time right?

[elder swift]

iirc no?

you can't fight through the burning aura to make a bloom seed

[elder swift]

like how you can't electrocharge an aggravated unit

ah nvm you can

but even so for the purposes of burnmelt, the cryo does nothing to the dendro

[karmic rock]

ok so what are the effects of increasing the pyro or dendro aura?

i mostly want to know about the dendro aura tbh

from what i can gather, you want the dendro aura to remain to trigger burgeon, but you want the pyro aura to remain after triggering melt?

[unkempt sandal]

burning aura is 2U, so 1U hydro cannot break through it to bloom
but if you have 2U hydro, or you weaken the 2U burning aura with some other reaction, you can bloom

that’s the logic behind zajef77’s bain marie team

[mossy spruce]

how do you calculate average energy cost for ults

i know it depends on like
how many teammates of same element, how many fav users

but idk how to calc it

[old apex]

k!erc

[lofty echo]

Energy Recharge Calculator

Zakharov's Energy Recharge Calculator

[old apex]

^^^

[mossy spruce]

ty

what rotation should I be using for sucrose national

[ivory rapids]

how good is 4pcs Shimenawa compared to 4pcs Glad on Arle?

[echo timber]

Glad is better

[timber topaz]

anyone know whats the average anount of stacks for wolf fang when used by haitham? in a regular rotation

[thorny ocean]

4 shime is unusable before c2 against less than 3 targets. better than glad at c2 or against 3 targets, assuming you don't mind losing the survivability from burst

reason being before c2 you go e -> team -> ca combo, so shime buff runs out

[rose crown]

a lot of rotations can’t facilitate vaping C2/N1 if you don’t E at the start and instead opt to set up -> E CA N1

so shime is not blanket better even at C2

plus warping to enemies by casting E at the start of a rotation can be helpful and you lose that

[karmic rock]

hi if you trigger a swirl on the same element that's already been buffed, does that reset the duration of the buff?

[clear ivy]

yes

[karmic rock]

oh sweet

thanks

[clever phoenix]

i saw before someone talk about average pull in genshin with sheet. is there anyone has that?

[pallid hedge]

I wonder what role Emilie would take in burnmelt comp, cuz Nahida is indispensable cuz she add good elemental mastery for the cryo user, and you kind need a protection against the burn aura and still add pyro to enemies, why Thoma or Dehya are good for that.
So in theory for that to work she would take the Bennet place 🤔

[sand trout]

made this with data from the hutao gachacalc

[clever phoenix]

is there 4stars too?

[sand trout]

no sorry

4stars have no guarantee either so its a bit iffy

[sand trout]

https://hutaobot.moe/tools/gachacalcj

[pallid hedge]

the 240 pulls to 100% garantee a R1 ... war memories

[sand trout]

just use this

[amber olive]

tbf burnmelt just doesnt work without nahida coz 1.5u leaves a pyro aura after fully burning away

1u dendro leaves nothing

and with nahida thats important coz hitting the pyro aura with cryo causes a reaction to reproc and refresh burning

cant rly replace bennett coz u need some pyro

since u either use him or dehya if u want smth defensive

she'd need to apply slightly differently to normal like nahida if they wanted to give her some use there

its weird

[pallid hedge]

yeah, I think to work she would have some kind of defensive against the burn aura, would be great if she could convert the self dmg into healing tho

but I doubt

[amber olive]

tbh id rather they just focus on a dedicated burning team rather than try to sell her for burnmelt specifically

been wanting something that increases the frequency of burning ticks but makes it burn away quicker as a result

[fallen jetty]

I mean, I want her to work with both tbh. Burning is barely usable rn

I guess that is also because we don't have many pyro options for burning

It is like XL, Thoma or dehya

There is also xinyan ig

[pallid hedge]

yeah, and XL is awful to sustain without a battery

also need closure, what make the character receive dmg for burn aura

[graceful ore]

https://wfpsim.com/sh/952106cf-2f44-4d4a-9a65-3365845ac018
is this real

[low shale]

lmao, thats funny

[graceful ore]

https://wfpsim.com/sh/12bbeafd-8d6b-4958-bbd8-ec0c783e8a1f with R1s

[lofty wave]

not surprised

Hutao Yoi was a great combo

replacing yoi with a better dps would ofc make it better

[plain forge]

i want to ask if anyone know how furina's A1 work in details?
like does it stack, does healing proc when the passive is reproc, etc

[topaz viper]

it does not stack, it can only be refreshed. iirc it does not trigger immediately, you have to wait 2s. a1 healing is also affected by healing bonus

[plain forge]

so the duration is reset but the cd between healing ticks dont?

i see

[jovial smelt]

yes

[plain forge]

doesnt that make any reproc between the 1st and the 2nd healing tick basically useless because u wont be able to get another healing tick in even if the duration reset?

and only 1 healing overflow passive can exist right?

[jovial smelt]

• if you refresh when there is still 2 proc remaining, it won't do anything
• if you refresh when there is still 1 proc remaining, it will add another proc 2sec after the next one
• if you refresh when there is no proc remaining, it will add 2 proc 2sec and 4sec after

[plain forge]

i see thanks

[bronze latch]

Does anyone have calcs comparing c1 hu tao to plunge hu tao?

[ionic plaza]

Does anyone have calculs of dps team of arlechinno with furina C2 ?

[ionic plaza]

it's pretty much the same thing

[sweet meadow]

Should I run absolution or r5 sting on alhaitham?

[thorny ocean]

absolution

its his worst 5*, but still a 5*

[karmic rock]

does gcsim proc sac passive? or you have to manually put skill twice in config?

[amber olive]

it will proc the passive but you need to input a 2nd skill if you want it to use the skill it doesnt auto use it

so ideally you put a conditional for if you dont have your skill in case sac doesnt proc

otherwise the char will pause for their whole skill CD lmfao

[karmic rock]

ohh ok

[karmic rock]

does this work off field?

[amber olive]

needs triggering onfield but will stick around

[karmic rock]

ok

[fallen jetty]

!optimizer

!!optimizer

[misty thistle]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[graceful ore]

how long does wfpsim store shared sims for

[thorny ocean]

week

[graceful ore]

Deadge~1

joever

[thorny ocean]

just save the config text

[graceful ore]

ye thought it was like

longer

[ancient falcon]

Hey does anyone have chiori weapon calcs

[fallen jetty]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tMJPSagXBE8Sj03cdvc07rYTUVy3nYhf/view?usp=drivesdk

This are duckfero calcs

[pine ivy]

Is this necessarily accurate

[clear ivy]

no

it's extremely moronic

the bare minimum is accounting for the fact that 4.8 is a 2 shop reset patch

[vivid ember]

Jul 17 > Aug 28

[clear ivy]

shit right it's 16 patch resets not 15 + there's a day with no banner + june is 30 days

it's me , i'm the moron

[vivid ember]

the one from team mew

[clear ivy]

wasn't that deleted from the sub

[vivid ember]

no clue

i got it from the telegram

[clear ivy]

nevermind it got reposted

[echo timber]

For a summer event this is kinda miserable

Nevermind it's 2 wishes more than 3.8

😭

[clear ivy]

now

who's keeping track of primo count

for all the year

[echo timber]

I think syp had an excel for that?

[thorny anvil]

i thought 4.7 was dry

new area and still got almost 10 pulls less

[sand trout]

syp page is fucking dead tho

[echo timber]

The excel i passed in tcl is updated to 4.7 😭

[sand trout]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l9HPu2cAzTckdXtr7u-7D8NSKzZNUqOuvbmxERFZ_6w/edit?gid=955728278#gid=955728278

this?

this isnt syp

[echo timber]

No lol

[sand trout]

oh well whatever thats the one i use

[sand trout]

wasnt sure if its legit but since it got reuploaded

[clear ivy]

not quite sure this is the place we usually pin those in

[sand trout]

wait

wrong channel

why am i here

[echo timber]

😭

[vivid ember]

😭

because people dont know how to go to #・genshin-help

[pine ivy]

I mean, I go there too. I just see pre-release stuff discussed here pretty often and didn’t see any other channel that best suited that (plenty of servers I’ve visited opt to not have leaks/pre-release stuff in general help spaces like this).

Sth of a habit if you may.

[pallid stump]

Is there a kind of average of damage instances per second for mdps ? To know how much time is required to use up all of SoDP's stacks ( 5 )👀
Or if there's somewhere where we see the length of attacks

[thorny ocean]

average is pretty meaningless

depends on the character

you can see it on gcsim/rotation planner

[tranquil burrow]

Is it worth upgrading my Neu Childe Kazuha Zhongli team to Neu Furina Fischl Jean?
First team focuses on Neu's personal dmg while the second will have a lot of off field dps
Kazuha gives 40% dmg bonus and Zhongli gives 35% dmg bonus with Petra, Furina's 75% dmg bonus will be covering that so Neu's personal dmg will only be losing the 20% res shred from zhongli shield and Childe's NA passive (idk how effective is that).
note: Neu is C3

[clear ivy]

You don't need a healer tbh even with furina, you can do neuvi furina zhongli kazuha

[potent anvil]

^

Probably your best bet here

[clear ivy]

The only actual contraint is the other team not wanting kazuha

In that case just about any anemo will do

I use heizou because he has better AoE VV uptime than jean and he heals with pamber with no issue to ER and very short field time

But you can use sucrose

Or xianyun and ditch jumping

[tranquil burrow]

Whoaa actually? Thats amazing to hear,, ty

Reaching 300 fanfare will be harder ig tho

Or constantly having the 140% buff for furina e

[clear ivy]

Ya but it's neuvi he goes through his HP bar like a stressed person goes through cigarettes

[tranquil burrow]

That makes so much sense

[tranquil burrow]

true

[clear ivy]

• furina a1 gives her some fanfare and gives her more uptime on her MV buff

[tranquil burrow]

Hmhmmm I see

Thank you for granting me your wisdom

[lapis whale]

Is it true that yae teams has the best dps in chev teams and hyperbloom teams?

[unkempt sandal]

that sounds like gcsim scamming

definitely not for hyperbloom (alhaitham has higher dmg)
even for nahida + shinobu + xingqiu + electro teams fischl would be the higher dps electro

for chevreuse, pyro on fielders are way higher dps than electro on fielders right now
mainly because of lack of suitable pyro supports

maybe yae has the highest dps on sheet at all c0 5* standard for chevreuse teams with on field electro

but in practice i expect raiden to just perform better even at c0

[wooden belfry]

@unkempt sandal i think you misread, he's asking about YAE teams, not saying that yae is the best electro option in chev and hyperbloom

[unkempt sandal]

oh

i think aggravate is better for yae miko

[thorny ocean]

not necessarily raiden is like the best user of chev

i mean, not saying that c0 raiden with chdv would do more damage than c0 arle, but that she make better use of chev

[clear ivy]

Arle already had very easy access to buffs and everything because she's actually not miserable to use

Whereas thanks to sara raiden barely had like what 5-6 seconds of VV

So a full-time shred is stonks

[unkempt sandal]

Honestly both pyro on fielders and electro on fielders are missing a really fitting off field buffer for chevreuse teams

Pyro on fielders have fischl and yae, who are only damage, and raiden who gives a little burst% which isnt that useful

Fischl also gives energy but in a 3 pyro team energy isnt in short supply

Theres also beidou but her shield isnt enough really

Electro on fielders have xiangling thoma and dehya
Xiangling dmg is not bad but needs tons of energy, thoma and dehya kind of dont do enough

[thorny ocean]

xiangling doesn't need that much energy wirh chev and electro resonance

[unkempt sandal]

Raiden can get away with not running any off field pyro since she gets big dmg from the initial hit

[thorny ocean]

but she is just damage and off field app

without buffs

[unkempt sandal]

which fits in chevreuse's 6s window

Chevreuse teams are still really good when we have to use xiangling and fischl
But there's a big room for improvement

Also a lot of characters cant actually make good use of chevreuse's c6 because it stacks over time

Clorinde field time is 8s (little higher if you burst first), Raiden is ~9s and her initial hit only gets 1 stack max

Arlecchino's dmg is very frontloaded and she cant take advantage of the high dmg% when it matters

Lyney can take advantage of it since he does E last

and then Cyno actually can use it well since his dmg is continuous and long field time

[lapis whale]

Question, who likes furina sig more? Chlorinide or furina?

[thorny ocean]

furina

[fallen jetty]

Check up the pinned messages at #1232742579100192838 , there is a weapon ranking there.
Keep in mind that furina sig is obviously furina's bis

[tranquil burrow]

Atk% goblet instead of Electro Dmg on a Golden Troupe Fischl with C1 Furina and Kazuha?

Is it viable

she is using skyward harp

[clear ivy]

not in aggravate

atk% goblet never wins in aggravate that's for sure

[tranquil burrow]

70+100+40, thats 210 dmg bonus bruh,, feels like atk goblet might be better than another 46 dmg bonus

[tranquil burrow]

hmhmmm I see

[clear ivy]

becuase it doesn't buff the increase on her hits from agg

tho on that team i doubt she'll be getting many aggravates

[tranquil burrow]

yes, it is a neugillette team

[clear ivy]

in that case i guess you can do atk% sands

either ways it doesn't affect much in the grand scheme of the team

[tranquil burrow]

yup understood, thx

[tepid crest]

hello! how much er would furina want for 1 neuvilette E feeding her particles + 1 fav proc?

[sand trout]

!!erc

[misty thistle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tepid crest]

ouhh thanks!

[tepid crest]

uhm ;-;

[sand trout]

change rotation mode

[tepid crest]

ouh that fixed it thank u!

how do i adjust that neuvillete get some of furina particles when on field?

[sand trout]

its automatic from the field time you set

[tepid crest]

i see

thank u!

it seems i need 200+ for a comfortable rotation

[thorny ocean]

that doesn't sound right

set rotation length as 27s~

she shouldn't need that much

[tepid crest]

oki lemme try

it might be cus im a noob at this really ;-;

well to be fair it only said 197

but 200+ feels more comfortable for me generally

i set it at 25s its 179 er rn

[thorny ocean]

kazuha should be doing 2 skills
also is he using freedom sworn? cuz otherwise he should be using fav

[tepid crest]

yes hes on fav i have 1 fav proc

[tepid crest]

oh? when's he doing the second one?

[thorny ocean]

between neuv CAs

to refresh vv

[plain forge]

after the 2nd CA

[tepid crest]

my rotation rn was

Neuv E > Furina Q/E > Kaz E/Q > Baizhu E > Neuv CA > Neuv Burst > Neuv CA 2x > repeat

;-;

[plain forge]

do 4 CAs neuvi rotation

3 tanks dmg and make er requirement higher

[thorny ocean]

usually ideal rotation is neuv e furina ed zl hE kaz e (q) furina q neuv ca e ca q kaz e neuv 2ca

[tepid crest]

oh i have Neuv C1 so...no Zl

[thorny ocean]

baizhu

same thing

[tepid crest]

so

[thorny ocean]

you can do it after kaz

so the healing will be after furina's burst

[plain forge]

furina er requirement should be trivalized in neuvi team

especially with favge

[tepid crest]

neuv e > furina e > kaz e(q) >furina q > baizhu heal > neuv ca (e > ca > q) > kaz e > neuv ca

like this?

[plain forge]

yea

neuv do 2 CAs after kaz 2nd e

[tepid crest]

oki lemme try my lowest er furina then

gotcha thankss

THANK U TO U GUYSSS

[plain forge]

i think i succeed with 120 er?

110 er was scuff

[tepid crest]

61/192 with 169 er is my lowest rn o.o

since im with festering...

i do have dockhand assisstant on me

and wolf-fang

[plain forge]

yea nvm 110 er is not possible even with 3 fav procs

[tepid crest]

XD

[tepid crest]

if i want a general use case furina, as in shes solo hydro

and at worst theres onle one fav/none ata ll

is like 221 er good

[plain forge]

221 er is usually too much for her teams

good if u play her in solo hydro no favge

[tepid crest]

oho i see

thank u again!

maybe i can stick to 72/161 197 er then?

seems like good enough for general use case

[tepid crest]

erm btw, if im using festering + golden troupe, hp > hydro right?

[neat niche]

Yes, unless c2

[tepid crest]

song of days past records overheal or no?

[tepid crest]

thank u!

[brittle aspen]

Most of my teams are double hydro or with at least a fav, and my 191 ER has felt “just right”. I think I dropped it to 175 at one point and swapped back

[velvet herald]

double swirl https://gcsim.app/sh/WD7fmwLNJtfc
pyro swirl only https://gcsim.app/sh/7mjhWHgFfNBn

why are the dps numbers the same, what did i do wrong

[rigid gale]

I use her on 167 er in solo hydro with 1 fav user (not her, shes on chiori weapon) and she does well there

[rigid gale]

Why chev

[thorny ocean]

c6 dmg bonus+ easiest pyro swirl setup alongside amber

she also enables mh but they're not using it

[rigid gale]

O what does her c6 do? Ive not actually seen it before

Im still chev-less 😔

[thorny ocean]

stacking 60% pyro/electro dmg bonus

[rigid gale]

So it lets you bypass her team-lock?

Neat

[thorny ocean]

ye that applies to all teams

[velvet herald]

i think its 20% to all teams

and 20 + 40 to OL teams?

[thorny ocean]

no

[velvet herald]

i was working on that just as you commented

[thorny ocean]

it has nothing to do with overload teams

[velvet herald]

okay im stupid then

[thorny ocean]

its 20% dmg bonus per heal tick

which happens every 2s

[velvet herald]

oh

[thorny ocean]

so takes 4-6s to get 60%

[velvet herald]

i see

[velvet herald]

i would argue bennett kazuha is easier but sure

[velvet herald]

https://gcsim.app/sh/fJkNKpbrtqTf

https://gcsim.app/sh/h7NffTKC9NBN

[velvet herald]

wait a minute, chev should use fav

she doesnt need the hp from dialog

[thorny ocean]

ye kaz can also hold iron sting

[velvet herald]

true

because no er needed

https://gcsim.app/sh/T8ddgjwCm7Hp
https://gcsim.app/sh/cMrHPpfH87MM

fav chev

wait can i get away with non fav yl

wait i got a new idea

what about tao yl fischl chev

lose vv and dmg bonus from kaz, but chev actually buffs and fischl contributes personal dps, and chev shreds pyro res anyway

nvm chev doesnt work because yl exists

[brittle aspen]

Is there a library of commonly used Optimizer multi-target combinations for certain characters/teams?

[old apex]

not everyone has one since it's a lil outdated but
https://keqingmains.com/misc/multi-optimization/#35_Config_Entry_List

[brittle aspen]

Awesome, thanks!

[fickle flame]

Seems like Natlan will have some sort of gimmick with self elemental aura application

See how they all have pronounced elemental auras around them

More then the usual Genshin skill

[wooden belfry]

[vivid ember]

Geo girl making crystallize good again, meanwhile Dendro kid getting cooked by a fire slime

[echo timber]

Shut up

[pine ivy]

If they actually are all self-infusing that could unironically be the case ngl

Also can’t wait for Emilie to be his best partner in teams

[echo timber]

If thats the case im screwed because i don't want emilie

[knotty patio]

but pfp

[echo timber]

Gawd just because i have her as pfp it doesn't mean that i will pull her

I like her design a bit but im low of primos and id rather pull for dendro boy

[knotty patio]

cant imagine liking a char so much that you put her on pfp and skipping

[echo timber]

Balls

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[polar shore]

Just skip both then^^

[echo timber]

yeah surely

[golden acorn]

yeah ez

[weak pagoda]

What character with atk% scaling would benefit from the hunter 4pc set?

[knotty patio]

xiao

[thorny ocean]

xiao, lyney, lynette, wrio, gaming by themselves
klee, yanfei, navia, ning, ayato, diluc, eula, yoi and more with furina

[weak pagoda]

Is there any data between alhaitham hunter and him gilded set? All assuming running with Furina ofc

[thorny ocean]

decent bit ahead with furina

its like 7-12%

[weak pagoda]

I see

[calm dust]

there was a bot that compared two crit builds and said which one's more damage, can you help me find it? 😢

[thorny ocean]

\tc crit-compare
but its dead

[calm dust]

aw no why?

[sand trout]

because blud is using the wrong slash

/ not \

[steel frigate]

Cam somebody fetch me calcs on Mona

Or calcs that show her strength?

[calm dust]

yeah it worked when i tried it now thanks haha

[thorny ocean]

i was just showing to them, try with the correct slash lol

[calm dust]

but it does work, i DMed the bot

[sand trout]

[thorny ocean]

[sand trout]

ok i see the problem

i just excel it out tbh

[calm dust]

use Hu Tao bros

[sand trout]

the formula

[calm dust]

(i used the wrong command at first)

[kind escarp]

as someone who has c6 scara and faruzan as well as a c2 furina, if i were to use these guys together would DPC still work better than marecheusse hunter on scara? or is it close enough that its simply up to how well each artifact rolls?

[potent anvil]

I thought maréchaussée was slightly better than dpc even at c0?

[rose crown]

it is

not slightly, it’s pretty decently ahead if you don’t overcap CR

but echoes is also ahead of MH for a c6 wanderer if ping allows

[fluid leaf]

Hi guys !
The more I play, and the more I wonder about theorycraft etc

My current question is how do C2 Nahida works ? It says bloom can crit, but based on what ? Nahida ? Or the character doing the reaction (like for EM ?)
Can it be combined with Nilou's Bloom ?

[queen tide]

To answer each question at a time, c2 nahida allows burning and bloom variants to crit, and reduced the defense of enemies when taking quicken type damage. The effect acts as a debuff rather than a buff so it affects any target marked with nahida's skill. And yes, it works too with nilou bloom. The 'crit' is merely just a 20% chance to double the damage of the bloom hit

[old apex]

the crit is a fixed number its not based on anyone else

[fluid leaf]

ooh, I see
double damage is pretty nice, but the 20% isn't really...

thanks !

[tepid crest]

can some perhaps explain the effect of the 4pc of song of days past? like so is the damage increase of the 8% of 15000 healing the "bonus"

so like flat 1200 damage?

[vivid ember]

yeah, a flat 1200 extra damage that gets added onto the base damage of the attack
so it gets multiplied by Crit, DMG%, Resistance and Defence

[tepid crest]

oki gotcha, so lets say sige can maximize the 15k with one heal is it 1,200 flat dmg to the 5 triggers?

[vivid ember]

yeah

[tepid crest]

thank u!!

[glossy nexus]

been a while since i used this, why does it still say 100% for them all

[vivid ember]

you've got 0 rotations between bursts, so they're never bursting

[elfin sundial]

Would Mualani's weapon be good for Neuv?

[lofty wave]

Bp better 99% on this

Its cd HP

He gains no benefit from the NA bonus

[unkempt sandal]

Anyone done calcs on earthshaker vs the other 4* weapons for navia

[nova violet]

Guys, is the additional ER from xiphos considered for emblem buff or no? 🫠

[echo timber]

Yes

[mossy spruce]

whos the best c6 for abyss speedruns?

is there a good comparison for them

[unkempt sandal]

this abyss cycle it’s between arlecchino and clorinde

[mossy spruce]

oh

i thought neuvi, furina and yelan usually held the top times

and arle and lyney close behind

[unkempt sandal]

https://bilibili.com/video/BV1Zw4m1Y7fb this is the fastest run in unlimited cost

https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=40959776 this is the thread with all the times
but it’s in chinese and you cant really translate it

[mossy spruce]

so would that essentially also mean their c6 is the best in general?

except for niche case scenarios with supports like shenhe because theyre hard to value against a dps c6

[unkempt sandal]

it depends a lot on the abyss lineup

let me find the 4.6 one for example

https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=40376800 here’s the 4.6 one

arlecchino got the fastest time in 12 and unlimited cost top half and unlimited cost bottom half

neuvillette was faster in 8 and 12 cost bottom half (he is c3 here bc it’s better for vape)

and in 8 cost top half it was actually raiden

[mossy spruce]

does c6 neuvi not work with sunfire/burn?

i forgot about his 2 extra little beams

[unkempt sandal]

im not sure tbh but might as well save 3 gold if it’s going to be more troublesome anyway

[tepid crest]

husk or gt for albedo?

[thorny ocean]

no

[thorny ocean]

neuv is faster in unlimited cost bot half too

41s vs 43 clorinde

[unkempt sandal]

i dont see it in that post, maybe it was a different one

https://bilibili.com/video/BV127421o7QP arlecchino got a 33s in 4.6 bottom half anyway

[thorny ocean]

this is not current abyss

lmao

arle can't do anything on current second half

https://g.nga.cn/read.php?tid=37575980&page=1&rand=299
I use this post. tho its missing stuff too

Afaik this abyss it’s

Top
Arle 35
Neuv 37
Clorinde 39
Ganyu 39
Yelan 40 (?)
Navia + Chiori 42
Wanderer 43 (?)
Sigewinne + Ayato 43
Kazuha 45
Raiden 46 (?)
Lyney 46
Wrio 48 (?)
Ayaka 48
Nilou 49 (?)
Tig 53 (?)
Haitham 53 (?)

[unkempt sandal]

this message i was talking about 4.6

[thorny ocean]

oh welp

Bot
Neuv 41
Clorinde 43
Ayato + Yelan Mid 50s
Sigewinne + Yelan Upper 50s

[thorny ocean]

@mossy spruce if you're curious

of course it changes between cycles

[unkempt sandal]

im not seeing anything below 40s in the top post of the thread you linked

in top half

[thorny ocean]

yup it isn't full

couldn't find a better one

[nova violet]

A conflict of opinion from ghelp
ig the buff isn't enough to matter but still

[thorny ocean]

it doesn't
https://youtu.be/3rzPJPzehR8

esf is a rare exception
usually % based buffs don't go into other % based stuff only if they show on stats page, but if they don't, they can. but even though burst dmg% doesn't show on stat page, % based buffs don't go into emblem

[nova violet]

This just has stats and dmg? I thought usually it'd be a side by side comparison with iron sting or smth

[nova violet]

Oooh

[thorny ocean]

yeah that was vid for the tc library, showing stats and damage is enough since you can calc it with GO and see that its correct

[mossy spruce]

does c6 navia still want a crit dmg circlet or is atk better since her c2 and c6 give her so much crit

[sand trout]

crit dmg

[thorny ocean]

as long as using benny, atk is unlikely to be better
without benny, atk probably have a chance, optimizer it

[kind escarp]

would c4 Jean still be worth aiming for if I’m running wanderer with c6 faruzan already? I’m weighing up whether or not I use the anniversary pick a 5* character to get Jean’s C4 to use with wanderer, faruzan and furina! Someone on Reddit told me it wasn’t as worth it if I already have c6 faruzan so I wanted to check with you guys!

[knotty patio]

the issue with jean is that shes stationary even more than benny

since with benny you can stand inside and attack enemies far away

jean its circle impact

if you use benny prolly not tbh

[kind escarp]

yeah thats the only thing thats making me doubt whether or not to actually get the C4 with the free 5* selector... thanks for your opinion i appreciate it <333 just wish it wasnt such an outdated constellation 😭

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[timber topaz]

How many times does cyno proc fischl’s a4 in a single rotation?

[orchid storm]

i don't use yaoyao outside of my clorinde team so I wanted to build her more offensively

should i go ToM (some more atk for both clorinde and fischl)

or should i go instructor to give the team some em?

what is more value (gives more damage) to the team?

or should i just wait for the new reaction set in natlan?

[wooden belfry]

the new set is not great on yaoyao, providing only 12% damage to electro and dendro . if you are using furina you probably have plenty of dmg% already
so its 20% atk vs 120em [8s]. frankly, no matter which one you'll pick, the gap in damage will be marginal. instructor potentially is more frontloaded tho, so if you have a usable set lying around you can use it , you will need to bring yaoyao close to clorinde in the rotation to get the most out of its 8s buff

[knotty patio]

ToM has more Yao heals so more furina buff too

cuz u can use 5 star

artis

[thorny ocean]

not instructor

proccing it with yaoyao requires extra field time

and em isn't all that valuable to clorinde

to be worth the extra time

[orchid storm]

im not using furina btw

[karmic rock]

Was optimising diluc and was wondering if i messed something up anything lol. Or I was gaslighted into thinking lvl 80 bennett lvl 11 burst vs lvl 90 with lvl 13 burst is big...

[unkempt sandal]

is this buffed by xianyun?

xianyun's plunge buff amount isn't affected by bennett

[karmic rock]

Yes

But the focus is Bennett’s atk buff in his circle

[fleet pawn]

Can elemental dmg bonuses from the new "Scroll" artifact set coexist? Like if you do vaporize and then freeze, does the team get hydro pyro and cryo dmg% buff or just the hydro and cryo?

[knotty patio]

all

[fleet pawn]

So the "The equipping character can trigger this effect while off-field, and the DMG bonus from Artifact Sets with the same name do not stack." part from the desc is just so that you can't use two sets in one team yeah?

So like theoritically if geo character using this set hits bunch of elemental hydro electro cryo pryo slimes, you get the dmg% bonus for all 5 elements?

[knotty patio]

yes

[fleet pawn]

Okay that seems nice. Thanks a lot

[ancient falcon]

Does anyone know the details abt what nightsoul bursts are? How are they proc’d and if they have a cooldown for being proc’d

[ancient falcon]

Ooo

[cloud kindle]

Is the leaked xilonen kit real?

Because she's broken

If that's tue

True

[vivid ember]

we'll see when we get kit leaks in the next few days

[wooden belfry]

in 2 days beta drops

[cloud kindle]

Ok so we don't know if the leak was true?

[vivid ember]

not until beta drops and we get the in-game kit

[cloud kindle]

Imagine

[cerulean wasp]

the only problem that it's still healing meta in genshin, unless natlan changes that significantly to kick furina off the pedestal

[knotty patio]

she has no shield

[fallen jetty]

Damn, another geo def scaling, well, at least she will work with navia anyways

[fallen jetty]

New archon, new meta. Same with Nahida, furina

[cerulean wasp]

Well, I doubt that shielding would be the new meta, we are quite past it

[knotty patio]

theres no shield

[cloud kindle]

Is she that broken?

Wtf

Dudes on Reddit saying she's a busted support who can do a lot of dmg too

[sand trout]

the leaks we have so far are not reliable enough to say

wait for beta

[cloud kindle]

8 hours?

[sand trout]

8 hours for 5.0 drop then give another day for solid beta leaks i say

maybe less maybe more

[cloud kindle]

....

Ok

[sand trout]

also this is not the channel for this

this is for theorycrafting only for general questions like that you can go to #・genshin-help or the lounge chats

[karmic rock]

anyone have that fanfare calculator?

[sand trout]

@jovial smelt i recall you made one?

[jovial smelt]

A bit hard to use but you can use this one https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1bYUBaZl6BaSQDbqTJW9gHQ5Luo03iMr4#scrollTo=akwYOVxJLo1K

[karmic rock]

thanks

[knotty patio]

fanfare calcs

[lofty wave]

@amber olive maff

[lofty wave]

nvm i double checked the math

[unkempt robin]

Can vv effect stack if two or more members in party use the set?

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[lofty wave]

nope

[steel frigate]

xiloen icd

[orchid storm]

hi

im no tcer so im bringing this here just to educate myself lol

let's consider a team of furina + xilonen right?

considering both kits, together they will give you a lot, like, A LOT of dmg%

wouldn't that mean that now atk/hp/def goblets (on the main dps) are completely viable in those teams?

cause the natlan set is really busted and so is furina

what do you guys think

am i crazy

[unkempt sandal]

yeah you can already run atk goblets on some characters viably if you have c2+ furina

or some other combination of large amounts of dmg%

hp% goblet even more so since theres no equivalent of a 1000 atk buffer
furina already runs that

[plain forge]

neuv can also run hp% gob with furina and kazuha

[orchid storm]

yeah yeah

it was viable before in some cases but i believe with the new set it will become much more universal

i plan on pulling xilonen for my navia team (and furina teams now that she heals)

my navia team will be navia bennett furina xilonen

and im gonna try running an atk goblet on navia just to see if i can have more damage

I don't think i will cause i already have bennett there BUT

it's worth the try

[plain forge]

the thing with atk goblet is that its really hard to make it worth when 1k atk bennett exists

u would need an insane amount of dmg% to make it better

[knotty patio]

unbenny teams

[plain forge]

truee

[knotty patio]

raiden runs atk atk in taser teams for example

even with EL

[orchid storm]

yeah you can unbenny your teams now I didn't think about that

WAIT THATS ACTUALLY HUGE

[plain forge]

just think carefully which team can be unbenny without 🧱

[orchid storm]

well

i think my navia team can be unbenny'd

[vale saddle]

can i use jean for proccing vv shred

and as a healer

how good is dehya for mualani and why? Does she work at C0?

why is kachina reccomended with her?

[rare tundra]

yayaya jeam goob

dehya interrupt resist and pyro app,,, but mmmmmmmm kinda finicky sometimes! dehya cons r just mostly for her damage, lani just wants the pyro app

kachi can use the new natlan support set wowowow 🫣 thats it 🙈🙈🙈

[cerulean grove]

Been asking this on #・genshin-help for a while but has been ignored, so I'm asking here
Is the new 4* catalyst better or worse than amber for neuvi?

[jovial smelt]

For damage yes
But pamber give energy so it can help Neuvi if you play without Furina

There is 2 new 4* catalyst, I’m talking about the Horn one

[cerulean grove]

I'm playing with furina, so I guess I'm building the new weapon

Thanks

[sterile yew]

Hello! I wished on weapon banner hoping to get Kazuha's sword but I lost and I got the Surf's up instead. Is it a viable weapon for Wriothesley?

[dark turret]

Nymph set bonus says 'and' not 'or'
That means we need to attack an opponent with all sorts of attacks to get 1 stack ?

[knotty patio]

ye

no

stack per attack type

like polar star

[tepid crest]

uhm hi!

which would be better
62/247 whimsy on arle OR
71/263 glad ?

[knotty patio]

optimizer

atk, em etc

most likely glad cuz thats very low cr

[wooden belfry]

forget optimizer, if they got both artifact sets ready, they can simply test the damage in-game and average out the crits using the cr of each build

for those who don't have an optimiser already set, this estimate is usually more than enough, and faster to get a yes/no answer from

[outer jetty]

Is Yunjin or Kachina with the new set a better support?

[echo timber]

For who?

[outer jetty]

Noelle

[potent anvil]

you probably just go Kachina and use CAs

kachina's buff is probably better or at least comparable and also affects your furina and whatever your last slot is

[low shale]

Kachina definetely

do Noelle + Kachina + Chiori/Gorou + Furina

[sour quest]

What would be Kinich's bis artifacts? Codex or Cinder?

[wooden belfry]

codex

[knotty patio]

co||deeznuts||

[vivid ember]

kinich wont be able to trigger the Hero passive in relevant teams, so it's definitely not for him

[thorny ocean]

codex but reverie is close 2nd

[polar shore]

About the questionnaire, do we have to answer every question or can we only answer some of those? @open wagon I'm not fully involved in the guidemaking process so I can't judge the procedures but I've read most of them since 1.0 and I'd like to give my feedback about the other questions

[open wagon]

no question is required. i unchecked the required mark on all of them, meaning they are all seen as optional. you can answer all of them or only one of them. up to you!

[polar shore]

thank you!

[wooden belfry]

I've been doing some small scale damage calculator comparisons for chiori with the new sword, and was kinda surprised by it
Despite losing the extra def MVs provided by cinnabar, Peak Patrol Song didn't make much of a dent in chiori's E damage. And more impressively, the 32% damage from the weapon led to about 18% increased damage on itto's CAs. It does require you to do an N2Q before you E tho, N2 is fast but its still almost a second extra to a rotation

So, with leaks pointing at a chiori xilonen banner on 5.1, I was curious which weapon is better for team damage on itto teams, does anybody have a good chiori sheet with a mono geo team [c6 gorou zhong itto chiori] that I can edit by chance?

[subtle matrix]

any thoughts on Mavuika leaks?

[unkempt sandal]

cant really say much on this little info

[weak pagoda]

When are we gonna have Kinich faq?

[torn ginkgo]

is this ambr.top dead?

[vivid ember]

https://gi.yatta.top/en

Ambr is currently having issues with the host, so there's a backup site

[torn ginkgo]

Ok. It's been falling off a lot in recent months. I didn't know about backup site.

[cerulean grove]

Amos or aqua for tighnari

[thorny ocean]

aqua

[potent anvil]

amos isnt even better than aqua on ganyu herself right

[plain forge]

yea

[polar shore]

No numbers, no animations, nothing to go on yet^^

Can't rate chars before beta

[velvet herald]

okay i cooked up another (good) team

tao xq yl chev

https://gcsim.app/sh/jKN67N9qNHWq

personal stat sim

[lofty wave]

whats chev doing here?

[amber olive]

One day ppl will realise a lot of chev buffs dont actually require OL only

😔

[lofty wave]

they dont?

[amber olive]

Nope

Its just the res shred

[lofty wave]

i know the healing doesnt

[amber olive]

60% dmg bonus from c6 goes hard

[lofty wave]

fair fair

[velvet herald]

4ins, enable 4mh while not sacrificing tao a4 and homa, 60% pyro dmg

[velvet herald]

aka only 1

its her c6 dmg bonus

[amber olive]

Well i was including MH in that as well coz of the small healing 😔

Altho if ur up against electro enemies you can get the atk buff iirc

[velvet herald]

yeah

but thats still OL

[amber olive]

Being able to setup double VV for tao is pretty nice as well imo

Vs other pyro options the only other real buffing one is elegy with amber

[low shale]

how much does this drops if Yelan is C0?

[velvet herald]

https://gcsim.app/sh/qrdmcpmpPH7t

and here is KQMS
https://gcsim.app/sh/MCdtRqBQjKr8

[low shale]

oh, that wasnt KQMS? 😭

[knotty patio]

homa isnt kqms alrd

well

can be homa with kqms artis

[thorny ocean]

homa isn't kurtc

kurtc != kqms

also kqm guide standards != kqms

[knotty patio]

kurtc deez nuts

[short abyss]

is triple favge really needed

[low shale]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[short abyss]

you can probably get away with amenoma on xq

for a little bit more damage

[copper cliff]

Hello, what are the ideal stats for Raiden Hypercarry that has her signature weapon?

[knotty patio]

!!optimizer

[misty thistle]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[barren sigil]

I have a very theoritical question regarding swirling, and it will require some imagination to answer. It's mostly just for personal knowledge (I like wasting time trying to see how kits could be improved and what not). I've read a bit on how swirling on enemies is limited to 2 hits per 0.5s per enemy per elemental type, but in practice I'm a bit confused.

Let's say that after using his elemental skill, Venti's normal attacks were converted to fully charged attacks, thus dealing anemo damage.

How much better as a swirl driver would he be at C1 (which would make his NAs launch three anemo arrows at a certain angle) compared to C0, if we consider the swirl restrictions ? And would the relative performance - if there's a difference - change depending on whether his burst is active or not ? (since it also triggers a lot of swirls)

[unkempt sandal]

you could try to simulate this with atk speed heizou maybe

[knotty patio]

its his CA

for venti

and his CA animation is long enough to bypass the swirl cd

oh nvm

i didnt read the part of ca->na

[barren sigil]

Hm, his n4 does have 3 hits although it's all the same hit box

Could be worth checking

Although it'll be hard to replicate at 100% since he doesn't have venti's burst (and it seems the limitations are on a per char basis?)

[potent anvil]

Oh is it per character
I’ve always wondered if my kazuha burst and venti burst were eating swirls from each other

[potent anvil]

Does that work for this? From what I get the question is about 1 anemo app vs. 3 anemo app per NA, so there’s not rlly any way to translate this

[unkempt sandal]

imean what theyre asking for basically doesnt exist anywhere in the game (for good reason probably) so its as close as it can get

now that i think about it, atk spd c6 wanderer probably runs into swirl cap in practical scenarios

so you can ask scara mains and see if they know

[potent anvil]

C6 wanderer would probably still trigger it too slowly due to ICD
Closest case is probably just hyperbloom tbh

[barren sigil]

Basically, but 3 apps that could theoretically be applied either to the same enemy or to 3 different enemies depending on enemy size and positioning . Just trying to figure out if giving venti a theoretical a7 (or a8) that makes him transform his NAs to CAs would make his c1 valuable (and better than say other anemo swirl drivers) lel

[orchid storm]

did someone happen to test how is the ayaka freeze team with xilonen instead of shenhe compares to the shenhe version?

[rose crown]

160er ayaka incoming

[abstract phoenix]

Where do I go to look for zzz leaks and tc?

[wooden belfry]

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[orchid storm]

doable

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[verbal sky]

jean, xilonen, c1 neuv and furina works?

[knotty patio]

i guess yea

[lofty wave]

yes

[neat vigil]

Jean and Xilonen are both healers so Jean is a bit redundant here. Another Anemo may be better

[knotty patio]

tbh sucrose is the only option

if no kaz

and ig sucrose might be better cuz low fieldtime?

maybe c6 buff

[neat vigil]

There's also Venti, who gives a bit energy and grouping, or even just someone like Lynette who likely does more damage than Jean. That said, Sucrose is likely the best non-Kazuha option as you said and she's very accessible.

[weak pagoda]

if both candace Q and Benny C6 Q are active, hows the infusion work?

[fallen jetty]

Candance > Bennett > chongyun: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Elemental_Infusion

[lofty wave]

rainbow

oh wait just the 2 then one overrides

multiples will Rainbow

[karmic rock]

how did mualani get 3 stacks right away?
https://youtu.be/CXMtgLcNHh8?si=g2DnQfX9zY5MVdHU

[thorny ocean]

c2

[karmic rock]

oh lol

[random crane]

If I do Mualani Q and then E do I get the Obsidian Codex buff since the burst hits after the activation or does it snapshot

[stuck yew]

yes

Mualani's burst does snapshot but obsidian codex buff is not snapshotable buff

[random crane]

Thank you

[random crane]

Just to be sure, this is both the crit rate and dmg%? Or just dmg%

[stuck yew]

the dmg%