・theorycrafting

[clear spear]

ig that's the power of furi+jean

[echo timber]

Stop pinging corin that much

[clever sluice]

by the way as u can watch in the video really bad gameplay and i was watching a video in the other monitor , still did it

[strange torrent]

I don't even type in this channel. I don't like having the Theorycrafting Researcher role on me. lol

[amber olive]

its an optional role so you can always remove it

it only gives you access to this channel now iirc

as this channel is meant for actual TC generally

but ppl still grab the role and use it like ghelp 2

😭

[clever sluice]

i really just hate when ppl say "you shouldnt play xiao if u dont have c6 faruzan"

[strange torrent]

I really just wanted to see if someone could show me a 90s one side with Faruzan-less Xiao.
I know you can 36* Abyss with one crap team so long as the other is able to clear fast. lol

And I said this before, but if your other team was only as fast as that Xiao team, you wouldn't be 36*ing anymore.

[amber olive]

i mean i didnt watch the video but i was expecting a full run personally

[clever sluice]

lmao u literally said u cant beat abyss, never said anything about time, lmao

[amber olive]

i wasnt there for the full conversation tho so i cant speak rly

[strange torrent]

I actually never said that.

I said:
"Assuming you have C6 Faruzan, which if you don't, why are you using Xiao?"
and then
"Can you show me your run with C0 Xiao clearing current Abyss?"

Which is definitely suggestive, but I was just trying to bait someone into showing me a good run tbh. lol

I mean, with the second line. I really do dislike the idea of not using C6 Faruzan, but I do try to word what I said carefully as to not position opinion as fact.

[clear spear]

"i really do dislike xiao" 📸 🤨

[strange torrent]

Yeah, sorry, that slipped. I do, but that's not really relevant to what I was saying. lol

[clear spear]

happens

im just memeing

[low shale]

im not really on anyone side
but ngl, its kinda hard to justify non-Faruzan Xiao tbh

[strange torrent]

That's also Furina-less and Xianyun-less though tbf.

[clear spear]

that second team is not really fair

[strange torrent]

Might be different now.

[clear spear]

every other character being compared uses real supports

[strange torrent]

It's really not fair that he was stuck with that team before Faruzan. I agree. 😭

[low shale]

I mean, its what Xiao had to do before

but tbf

[amber olive]

mhm, and faruzan IS a big increase for him

[clear spear]

good thing i dont like xiao either

[amber olive]

altho if we factor in current stuff

you can slap him with say

furina and whatever the fuck

put him on VV

go to town

[clever sluice]

he is literally comparing a run with support with 2 team with no supports

[amber olive]

oh, conveniently placed

[low shale]

[clear spear]

isnt the jean-furi team actually decent?

[clever sluice]

ty

[clear spear]

dont remember if bennett was the best last slot

[amber olive]

i think the sustained healing would be nice for xiao personally regardless of if its bennett or not

[low shale]

idk, these are the only 3 Xiao + Furina teams in here

[clear spear]

poor 4vv xiao

[amber olive]

coz hes gotta manage drain from both furina and him

[clever sluice]

we never argue she isnt, but there are many other teams

[amber olive]

thats gonna cap at 50% very quick

[clear spear]

and i forgor about that too

i'll see myself out

[amber olive]

there are, just in the scenario of pre and post faruzan, she shot his teams up a lot

[strange torrent]

👀

[amber olive]

so if we arent counting faruzan and anything after

[clever sluice]

exactly but she isnt "needed" like he said, furina team are good without her and and xiangling teams too

[amber olive]

then itd be pretty fucking hard for a reasonable clear time without a much stronger 2nd side to compensate

[clear spear]

i refuse to include xiangling in my arguments

[amber olive]

but stuff such as furina has released after so if you just wanted to use xiao then there are options

we all know hyperbloom exists

[clear spear]

it's like playing the "i'll tell mom" when you're arguing with your brother

unethical

[amber olive]

salad aka anemo hyperbloom exists and its real

[amber olive]

[clever sluice]

faruzan c6 is probably his bet support but this is just false, xiao is not useless without c6 faruza wich is very expensive too

[amber olive]

theres a reason we dont just put national and hyperbloom in every guide

its a moot point

[clear spear]

a very good reason indeed

[strange torrent]

I didn't say he's useless. I just don't see any point in using him 'cause even if you can, it's feelsbad. lol

[clear spear]

i'd lose my mind after the 3rd hyperbloom recommendation

[amber olive]

corin didnt say he was useless but the only real point would be "i like xiao" in the end if we are limiting ourselves to characters before faruzan

[strange torrent]

It's funny that you showed me an image and all I'm saying is the image are the same two lines I quoted myself as saying just a few minutes ago.

[clever sluice]

saying why u playing xiao without her is saying u should not play him without faruzan and we just saw many teams without faruzan

[strange torrent]

I'm not sure what the point of that was.

[amber olive]

at least with xianyuns release, xiao is a dps with reliable AoE dmg over a long period of time that isnt hampered down by circle impact now

[strange torrent]

Yeah, Xiao's looking to be pretty goated with Xianyun.

[amber olive]

i mean if we r gonna talk the ones without furina as well, then 37k DPS sims arent exactly something id recommend

[acoustic widget]

hey guy can i run navia national team ? is national team deal more dmg than some standard navia 2x flame 2 geo team ?

[strange torrent]

I mean, again. I kinda just wanted to see if someone would post some newer non-Faruzan teams that were decent. lol

[amber olive]

and a lot of the current "xiao no faruzan" teams do use him as a solo anemo and put him on VV, its a viable use of him if you want to use him yes but its nothing another anemo cant also do so its hard to recommend to someone as a playstyle in a guide for example outside of the point of "i just want to play xiao"

[clever sluice]

agree but is without faruzan c6 right the point of the discussion ? ,and c0 furina is way more cheap than c6 faruzan

[strange torrent]

I did get off on a tangent about how much pre-C6 Faruzan sucks.

Which I stand by.

[acoustic widget]

use all furina c2 , c6 faruzan , c1 xianyun , xiao

[clever sluice]

which is false too, faruzan c4 is good with xiao

[amber olive]

na i fucking hate it, 300+ ER is unreasonable

[echo timber]

I'm sorry but, no

[amber olive]

her C6 is like a 2nd elemental burst

[strange torrent]

No

[amber olive]

usable? sure but when you cant even get enough ER at KQMC, we have a problem coz that investment level is

[clear spear]

kinda out of the argument, but it's just so funny to me seeing xiao become one of the first DPS to be rid of circle impact when he used to be the one suffering the most from it

[echo timber]

Her er reqs get a little more aliviated w c4 but it's not enough to justify playing c0-5 faruzan

[strange torrent]

Yeah, C6 is just so revolutionary.

[echo timber]

It fixes her debuff aoe 😭

[strange torrent]

She becomes one of the best supports that's easier to use than 99% of characters in he game.

[clever sluice]

again thats not the main point but usable is what im saying better than just put albedo like some team they compare before

[acoustic widget]

if xianyun burst auto heal without the need of on-field unit do plunge then raiden xianyun furina sara c6 team also escape cricle impact

[amber olive]

im not gonna recommend anyone goes and builds c0-5 faruzan though because the investment level required for the return is just not there

[low shale]

does this looks right for C4 Faruzan?

[amber olive]

and this was a point about no faruzan at all no?

[acoustic widget]

huge power boost for raiden c2 c3 if she isn't limited by cricle impact that way

[clear spear]

i thought raiden xyu synergy was gutted since the first beta

[amber olive]

which i already mentioned my thoughts on

[clear spear]

[echo timber]

Yeah tbh?

[strange torrent]

That wasn't even a leak. That was a joke someone said when prompted about hypothetical changes that could be made.

[clever sluice]

i agree but i would even recommend anyone to puull for c6 faruzan if u can get furina which is the main point from the start

[echo timber]

I knew it 😭

[strange torrent]

Unless Xiao can switch out and I somehow forgot.

[clever sluice]

actually getting both furina and xianyun c0 is easier that c6 furina

[acoustic widget]

why ?

[strange torrent]

I really gotta resist the urge to pull Xiao (who I hate) just to style on people with my Xianyun, Furina, and C6 Faruzan.

[amber olive]

i wouldnt recommend anyone pull xiao if they werent going to try for c6 faruzan personally to an extent
as seen by quite a lot of sims, the result has xiao on 4VV fav to support the rest of the team. Any anemo character is able to do this so its not an argument in xiaos favour, making it a hard sell to anyone outside of "i want to play xiao in any way possible". Im not saying dont play it but its not something im just going to recommend to people

[clear spear]

i remember ppl saying raiden's burst plunge didnt get the buff

[amber olive]

god this feels to an extent like the subdps navia stuff

[clear spear]

not sure if that was changed, dont really keep up with all the messages in that channel

[strange torrent]

Xianyun would probably perform that role well in the Furina team tbh. Stacks would be easier to build than with Bennett alone.

[clever sluice]

thats literally bias, xiao has enough teams to justify liking him

[strange torrent]

Kinda wanna try Xianyun/Xiangling/Bennett/Furina now. lol

[acoustic widget]

well she doesn't even need to do plunge atk , people just force xianyun to be plunge buffer instead of thinking xianyun is no cricle impact VV healer/weak pull + plunge dmg buff as cherry on top

[echo timber]

It's not??

[clear spear]

are there any xiao calcs in the pre-tc version of gcsim?

[amber olive]

feel free to show me a xiao team outside of using him as a VV slave that competes with them whilst removing c6 faruzan then coz im happy to be shown otherwise

also

https://gcsim.app/db/zk8Pf8dPnKHJ

the fact that this sim has about equal DPS to the pre faruzan sims is hillarious

[clever sluice]

why u are mesuring xiao by 1 4star and 6 when his not faruzan team is comparable ?

[clear spear]

mfw this team alone has the same as the suc team is so funny

[amber olive]

wfpsim? theres no xianyun yet in that

[strange torrent]

This simulation was generated with an outdated commit. Some data, graphs, or features may be missing or inaccurate. Upgrade to resolve compatibility issues.

[amber olive]

because we were looking for non faruzan teams wasnt that the whole point??

[clear spear]

aaaand again i forgot the original announcement said there was no xianyun yet

[clever sluice]

the whole point is that the best build doesnt mean is not the only one and u literally are removing one of hes sets for no reason

[acoustic widget]

well xiao can run furina jean bennett still quite strong , atleast much better than wanderer with the same team , every fking time i try that team for wanderer , he get rekt by stun lock

[clever sluice]

ye it is but i doesnt has to be the best one like u say, in your mind if is not like faruzan c6 no reason to play it, that bias

[amber olive]

its not a selling point of xiao tho, any anemo character has access to 4VV, why would i tell someone to "go pull xiao because he can use 4VV" when any other anemo character can do that

[clever sluice]

exactly

[acoustic widget]

atleast much better than wanderer with the same team , every fking time i try that team for wanderer , he get rekt by enemy hit stun lock

[clever sluice]

he is a driver thats the point of driver not that they do the most dmg everytime, by your logic tartaglia doesnt have a selling point either

[echo timber]

Skill issue tbh

[amber olive]

i never said we had to look for "the best one" but again, the only point im seeing brought up right now is "i like xiao", thats opinionated if anything and im not seeing a real argument to him over another anemo character

[clear spear]

isn't 4vv xiao still a decent chunk of the team's dps? not all anemo units can accomplish that

[clever sluice]

it doesnt matter if the driver use a support set what matter is a driver , what about sucrose driver then ?

[low shale]

other anemo units buff the rest of the team

[amber olive]

it can be and im not denying that, although other anemo drivers, take sucrose for example, can provide additional buffs ontop that make up for that too

[clever sluice]

like u are just bias like 100%

[echo timber]

Literally just use sucrose

[clear spear]

now im curious about how that team compares to sucrose/heizou driving instead

[clever sluice]

he is remmonving vv set cuz thats not the point of xiao lmao what a braindead logic

like the whole point of xiao is tha anemo can us vv too if he wants too

[amber olive]

i fail to see how just attacking saying "im biased" without bringing up any actual benefits in xiaos favour for a legitimate reason to recommend getting him over another anemo character is going to get us anywhere

[echo timber]

^^

[clever sluice]

vv is a benefit and u are literally removing it cuz it doesnt fit your narrative ?

[amber olive]

actually does anyone have the sim substat line generator on hand?

[clever sluice]

VV is a benefits or isnt it ?

[clear spear]

when did anyone remove 4vv as an option

[amber olive]

thats not what i was doing at all yeah

[low shale]

im wondering who is the biased one around here actually

[clever sluice]

did u see it ?

[clever sluice]

VV slave like is a bad thing that he has 1 option more, is a benefit

[amber olive]

this is because ive already seen teams using him viably with VV but again, if you would read what ive been saying, VV isnt a selling point to recommend pulling for xiao over another anemo character. if you have no other anemos or like xiao, yes. if you have other anemo characters, theres not much benefit to getting xiao over your current options imo

[low shale]

I feel like this is a HB Eula situation ngl

[amber olive]

thats not me saying xiao is bad at all

[clear spear]

yes

[amber olive]

but me saying its not a positive in his favour

[amber olive]

again, if you like the character there are teams you can use them in that will perform well but its not doing well specifically because that character is there

[clever sluice]

her argue point if that cuz he is a driver using vv set is not a buying point for him, why not if is another way to play him, having multiples why to play a chracter is a buying point

by the same logic anyone using vv is a driver is not a selling point

[echo timber]

No it's not when other characters do better with that playstyle i'm sorry

[amber olive]

i said its not a selling point if you already have other options

not that its never worth considering

[clever sluice]

by that logic most character as uselesss again like literally any pyro but xl

[echo timber]

?????

[clever sluice]

what a flaw logic just to ignore the benefis of xia

[amber olive]

xianglings fast pyro application is not always a benefit in every scenario

[echo timber]

Yeah 💀

[amber olive]

burgeon for example would like slow pyro app but consistent pyro hits

[low shale]

what benefits bro

[amber olive]

otherwise burning exists

[pearl kiln]

so much to have popcorn to lol

[echo timber]

Like dehya slow pyro app helps neuvillette to vape in hb neuv teams

[amber olive]

mhm ive not seen anything else brought to the table

[amber olive]

i should go make some i got some downstairs

[pearl kiln]

any flavor on it?

[amber olive]

just salted

sweet and salted taste bad to me 😭

[pearl kiln]

ah ok, that should still be good

[amber olive]

real

[echo timber]

Real

[amber olive]

popcorn tc 🔥

whats yalls favourite popcorn flavours

[pearl kiln]

real question, can someone busy with stuff irl help out with tc staff?

[amber olive]

if you wanna sign up, you aint gonna just get turned away

you arent forced to do anything, its voluntary at the end of the day

i just do what i do coz i enjoy it

[pearl kiln]

got it, thanks for everything Leifa

[amber olive]

np

[echo timber]

Salt + butter or just caramel lol

[amber olive]

havent had caramel popcorn in so long

hit or miss for me

[echo timber]

Same

[lofty wave]

@amber olive ill be sending a bunch of Rots here

so this is what i was thinking for a bit on Haitham nilou

ignore C2 furina

the config will not have that

haitham is doing 2N3D N3C 2N2C

1 min now to do Haitham HB with furi

Haitham HB with furi

@amber olive i plan to compare these 2 rots

kuki will be C6

or c2 whatever con gives her the increased E duration

and i plan to run 4 stars on all

[amber olive]

looks good to me

no scams with HoD when theres self damage involved tho

especially in a nilou team

[lofty wave]

so the HB team

im facing a weird issue

ill go shoot it at the gcsim disc

[amber olive]

whats the issue?

i may not be an expert with sim but im still curious

[lofty wave]

getting energy deficiency even tho i had Gcsim do the ER calcs itself

52k feels off

some teams in the DB are bs i want to say

Furina + Haitham and still running Harbinger

oh wait

1 second

swapped set

pushed it to 55

forgot i can run MH haitham

also they seem to like abusing haitham burst swap

which i have found to be unrealistic to do above a certain ping threshold

made the plunge short

i just realised they are level 80

final sim

its done

ill go sim nilou bloom now

HOLY SHIT I JUST FUCKED UP

[lofty wave]

https://gcsim.app/sh/TkQBcB88LqFz

actual final sim @amber olive for haitam HB

aight confirmed it

its shit

furina has majority of bloom ownership

and she doesnt get to build EM

at that point its just kinda pointless to run furinge

[amber olive]

i can personally do it no problem i wouldnt call it abusing, its a mechanic at the end of the day, but yes at around 100 ping+ it becomes pretty tough to do for a majority of people

[amber olive]

of course she has the majority of bloom ownership???

shes the only one making blooms

then kuki detonates then into hyperblooms

[lofty wave]

i ran a marcro in an attempt to do it at my ping just not happening

[lofty wave]

i meant hte nilou bloom team

[amber olive]

how much ping do you have?

[lofty wave]

180+

but also like some sims

[amber olive]

ahh, well that makes sense when shes generally slow hydro, give the team fast dendro with haitham and of course shes gonna bloom lol

[lofty wave]

legit drop the swap latency to 8 to do some kuki swaps

[amber olive]

no fucking shit then

[amber olive]

yeah this is cringe, keep it at 12 or add random frame delay imo

[lofty wave]

but yeah that Furina HB team is the one im gonna end it on

[amber olive]

also, imo you arent rly looking for big bloom dmg here

its moreso raw damage with the blooms on the side

thats why i like it

[lofty wave]

leifa

the sim gave me like 40k

ST tho

[amber olive]

but idk if furina would be better than yelan either so

[lofty wave]

lemme tweak 1 thing

[amber olive]

i mean most nilou teams return around there in ST tbh

but you build for raw dmg with extra blooms on the side

its a team that will do quite well in vertical investment coz of stuff like key and nilou c2

where you then get good damage and good blooms

[lofty wave]

https://gcsim.app/sh/mHwjnmM9dwrk

here it is

i have considered DW Nilou + Instructor baizhu

[amber olive]

thatd probably be better from a practicality pov

[lofty wave]

lemme do it rq

[amber olive]

although its not like haitham nilou cant get higher

there are some sims to back that up

just with furina generally, idts

however its not rly fair to look at it specifically ST, its gonna drop a lot there

2T is generally what you look at so you can get double cores

and the cores then hit both targets so you double your bloom dmg in a way

[lofty wave]

ight im re running the sim with DW Nilou + ins baizhu

[amber olive]

and then take avg dps per target

[lofty wave]

give it a min to see what we get

[amber olive]

[lofty wave]

OOOF

https://gcsim.app/sh/NChWNHWjnLGn

make sense when i think about it

baizhu dont got much fieldtime + ownership

so proccing ins is a bit hard

lemme swap him to OHC see what we get

[amber olive]

may be nicer actually

coz its damage outside of blooms

thats y i run koko on it still in nilou teams tbh

[lofty wave]

running it

i run barbara

[amber olive]

😭

my condolences

[lofty wave]

GAMBETENE

i own kok

i wouldnt have tc'd her ass if not

i just dont want to constantly swap builds

[amber olive]

fairs

when i have c2 nahida and key, it doesnt rly matter what build my kokomi is on

[lofty wave]

https://gcsim.app/sh/jwKbDGdDTBDR

also here is OHC

[amber olive]

and elegy collei on top of that

[lofty wave]

i run Baizhu Ins

in that team

im going for that bloom damage per screenshot

[amber olive]

similar overtime dmg profile as well

[lofty wave]

and c2 nahida

[amber olive]

nice

[amber olive]

if i want that i will put my koko on her full em ohc yeah

[lofty wave]

oh ins isnt so bad after all

https://gcsim.app/sh/PKFC8QKc8PMd

[amber olive]

did u change the rot to guaranteed proc a reaction or?

[lofty wave]

the sim did its thing with single target then i tweaked

i made it do 2 targets not immedietly

[amber olive]

ah fairs

[lofty wave]

but yeah so far tho Baizhu DW is best

[amber olive]

guess when you add key, the em buff from hp is worth it lol

[lofty wave]

yep

exactly that

[amber olive]

assuming you can DW both targets anyways

which is y i said from a practicality pov for dw nilou

[lofty wave]

baizhu Skill can do it

[amber olive]

mhm

its not 100% uptime but

its still nice

[lofty wave]

if the burst deviates it can happen

just get lucky

[amber olive]

yeah

[lofty wave]

[amber olive]

[lofty wave]

ight next on the chopping board is...

idk

if anyone wants a Sim ill do it later

back to warframe i go

[amber olive]

enjoy

was interesting to see

[wooden belfry]

it isn't good either

[lofty wave]

@amber olive decided imma do my new rotation on navia for next

Or compare 2 anyway

its furi zhong bennett team

But instead of N3 N2 we do N2 N4 C6 Bennet

[amber olive]

You are definitely not getting n2 n4 on navia lol

You cant even get N4 N1 lol

And if u wanna use the pyro infusion after you dont have the 40% dmg bonus on her NA CA PA so idk how worth its gonna be to extend for

[lofty wave]

oh it didnt send

stinky phone network

but basically @amber olive

the idea is N2 N4 with the 4th using bennett c6

the pyro should in theory

mean furina could get a cheeky vape in

[amber olive]

Wonder if it is an increase in the end

If it does apply as an aura but her N4 is very fkn slow

May b better to dash N1

Or do n2 n2 n3

Coz she can do 3N2 if ur fast

Then the N3 will come out very quick as pyro

[slender crown]

hello

can i get some genshin mafs help

[clear ivy]

this is the place yes

[slender crown]

how is neuv damage calculated?

[clear ivy]

per tick or just the dps?

[slender crown]

is it similar to eatk like ehp or am i getting this wrong?

[clear ivy]

yeah for a tick of his CA it goes like

[(base HP * HP%) + flat HP] * motion value of a CA (14.47% max hp at T10) * the modifier of his A1 (so 1.1, 1.25 and 1.6 respectively per stack)
all this multiplied by
100% + sum of all damage% (hydro damage bonus, CA bonus from sig, furina to name a few sources)
then multiplied by 100% + crit damage and adjusted to crit rate

[slender crown]

that is the wrong thing

ok so like heres the thing

i calculated that with just him alone an hp goblet would do better, but i feel like im missing something

[clear ivy]

gonna be honest with you i got no idea what's the sequence of calculations you're trying to convery here to the point wehere you'd get 500k on ehp

[slender crown]

YEAHHH i have NO idea

i might be stupid

[lofty wave]

ill test em all out

[lofty wave]

quick tip for ya

if you are ever confused how a certain formula might work in damage

just go to optimizer

and look at it there

[slender crown]

oh it literally shows in the optimizer the formula?

that is so sick

[lofty wave]

all formulas are shown on optimizer yes

even the defense formula

you press the question mark next to it

[slender crown]

OHHHHH

thank you i did not know thats what it does

so then would my current navia calcs be alright?

or am i missing something again

[lofty wave]

you are missing something

she has an extra multiplier

for the shards

its not dmg%

its a complete multiplier

take a look at it in Optimizer

[slender crown]

this part right?

[lofty wave]

yes

[slender crown]

so its not dmg% what is it? its own multiplier?

[lofty wave]

yes

its a 200% increase to your entire damage

[slender crown]

so is it not just a 200% mv?

?

[lofty wave]

if youre multiplying the mv by 200% that also works

order dont matter afterall

youre just multiplying everything with eachother afterall

[slender crown]

makes sense cuz thats what i was doing i thought i already did that

[lofty wave]

also resistances and def?

[slender crown]

nah

thats what i was stuck on

oh c23 is eatk c24 is mv

[outer jetty]

Is it normal to have energy issues in Childe international? My Xiangling's er is 221% but it still takes a while to recharge her burst which makes the entire rotation really clunky, meaning that after I finish the first rotation, I have to funnel particles to Xiangling.

[amber olive]

Welcome to international lol

Insane frontload, battery xiangling for the rest of it lol

You can do shorter rots to get big shots of dmg off quicker but with much higher ER

Or you can stay longer on childe for lower er reqs coz you can then spend more time batterying whilst waiting for childes CD lol

[acoustic widget]

do you think is there a chance chiori will be geo all team healer with kit reduce crystal shard ICD , automatic pull all shard toward players ? with this kind of kit i think navia will be great : auto refill ammo all time no need to do anything > no need to hold skill + aim > cut down alot of field time

[small gate]

Good chance, something like the buff from last chamber of the current event.
Pick crystal = Geo DMG
That will be great If she also teamwide healer , but the best thing Is to wait the full kit

[pearl kiln]

best to not have hope in imagination

[brittle aspen]

anyone know how to edit team on akasha.cv? or does that not matter

[vivid ember]

the teams are predetermined by leaderboard, so if you want to go for a higher spot you would need to set your builds with that in mind

[brittle aspen]

that's a big oof then, so my 8th best built character is only in top 39%?

ope nvm I see what you mean - any idea how to get more than just 8 characters?

[vivid ember]

if you change who's in your showcase, the current characters will stay on the site and then your new ones will be added

[brittle aspen]

oh snap, thanks!

[sand trout]

please use other channels as mentioned in this channels description for questions like these

[limpid mulch]

In WFP’s Chevruese FAQ, it lists Songs of Days Past as an artifact set for Chev. Is there any sense of how strong of an option it will be for her yet?

[amber olive]

As stated, when built for healing, she can max out 2 procs of the sets effect, even at c0. However, the set is kinda to begin with in a lot of teams but its competitive with other options for most scenarios and doesnt require building for her burst

If ur investment isnt quite enough to get 5k healing per tick, then she still gets a decent amount in

[limpid mulch]

Ok thanks. The set is listed first, so I thought maybe it was BiS. But then you (thanks for you work!) say it can be a viable alternative in teams running other support sets, which makes me think it is better to run the other support sets.

But it’s on par with the options

The domain is giving me more good Song pieces than Whisper pieces as I farm for Navia, so I am looking to see what I can do with them

Thanks!

[tight nacelle]

c0 mika not worth using in eula comp over c6 rozaria?

i have furina and raiden too

[feral onyx]

If furina use Mika if no furina then Rosaria

But gameplay feeling also matters too

[amber olive]

np tbh theres not a particular order to "this one is the best" for her just because theres no set she REALLY wants to use

so its just the general supporting options

[bold pumice]

do we know how long it is between chevreuse's two healing instance?

nvm, i found the answer in faq

[brisk rampart]

Is Golden Troupe Yae's best set at this point or is Gilded still better in Dendro teams specifically?

[sand trout]

golden troupe only wins if you use her completely without her burst and at that point use fischl

[brisk rampart]

Is that also the case for non-Dendro teams or is TF/ATK set better then?

[sand trout]

same for non dendro from what i know

[amber olive]

Should be the same yeah

Its a lot of dmg% lol

[brisk rampart]

Gotcha, thanks

[clever sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4it4qn7U_o&ab_channel=Cerzeroth

Xiao 9 star chambers 1 and 3 less than 60 second, 2 is more than 90 (i think) cuz i got tired trying to group them after 4 or 5 trys - NO FARUZAN (check time to se it was really easy)

Team: Jean c0, xiao c0 with pwjs, bennet c5, furina c0, jean build is really bad cuz i took many pc for xianyun pre built

[lofty wave]

and...

[small gate]

If anyone seen or have any calc for 4* team with F2p weapon that have great DPR and DPS pls share It with me ❤️
something like:

• Hyberbloom.
• Sucrose National .
  etc..

[sand trout]

@small gate @clever sluice please read the channel description before posting
this channel is not for flexing/showcases or basic account help

[small gate]

Me ?

[sand trout]

yes you

this is for ghelp like the channel description says

[small gate]

I am not looking for account help or anything , I only Just wanted to see calc for different teams .
If that's also wrong let me know and I will delete every messages 🫡

[sand trout]

ah i see your post didnt make it clear that you wanted actual calcs to use in optimising you made it sound like you just wanted a team to play
should have specified that you are looking for sheets
tho tbh you probably wont find any for this stuff your best bet is either making the sheets yourself or looking through gcsim/making a sim which imo is much easier than sheeting

[night orchid]

if I'm looking to learn how to sheet teams what are some good resources to start with?

[amber olive]

[glad palm]

For duo runs with c6r1 HuTao Homa and c6 Xingqiu, what sword would you consider to be the best for Xq?

Jade is rather not an option coz I think it’s unlikely that we will see it soon.

[echo timber]

Mist if you have enough er, otherwise LR

Or fav/sac

[clever sluice]

i was showing that this team worked vs faruzan and before xianyun, is a discussion about optimization :l

[sand trout]

and then you sent akasha

[clever sluice]

i take that i just did it ccuz someone did before me, but i take that one, sorry

[clever sluice]

.

I wont do it again

[sand trout]

also a team working in abyss is nothing new you can clear with insanely low investment that is a known thing thats not really team/character optimisation

[sand trout]

yea thats also way off topic i have no idea why it was posted here i missed it

[sand trout]

though ig it fits for the team compositions discussion

but then again abyss clearing is not a good metric if you want to present the team and evaluate it you should have a sheet or a sim for it and compare it to similar ones (in this case other xiao teams)

[clever sluice]

we had a discussion about it, and they literally said he was concern that he cant do it below 90 seconds, i was showing it can do it even below 60 thats optimizacion and team composition

[clever sluice]

i agree with u, but that was the discussion about abyss clear time

[sand trout]

where was that discussion btw

[clever sluice]

but okey wont do it again

[sand trout]

its fine dw

[clever sluice]

ok let me find it

[clever sluice]

the discusion was here

@sand trout he wasnt the only one who said that thats why i share the clip here, proving it can be done in even less that 60s

we had a full discussion

[sand trout]

yea that topic isnt for here really i just didnt check this chat during that period

[clever sluice]

but again, im not sayiing u are wrong i agree most team can do it and i wont do that again

[sand trout]

dw your point got accross

[glad palm]

What is your opinion on Cloud Retainer in Hu Tao teams? What team composition with CR is right now considered to be the go-to? Which artifacts set for Hu?

[night orchid]

#1186719067248275546

[glad palm]

Kk

[crisp niche]

how is c4 chev built with a c2 raiden team?

what set and stats

[night orchid]

anyone have dps sheets/sims for lyney?

especially with chev

[pearl kiln]

i feel like this kind of question fits #・genshin-help more. I'll answer anyway but maybe you'll get quicker help there next time.
at c4, I'll say 4 Golden Troupe is better cause you can do 3Es. just go Atk/Pyro/Crit with any crit or DPS polearm. substats look for ER (shouldn't be too high), crit , atk, hp for passive buff.
you can also go 4 Emblem or 4 Crimson witch as well

[crisp niche]

oh yeah mb, just has the channel alr open and didnt think much, ill ask there next time

thanks tho appreciate it

[wicked solstice]

is there info on when in a normal attack xingqiu and yelan's coordinated attacks trigger?

with diluc I can cancel an attack before hitting an enemy and the coord attacks trigger, but with itto I can cancel an attack after hitting an enemy and the coord attacks dont trigger

[celest rock]

It's in the gcsim source code

Otherwise I dont think numbers are recorded anywhere else
EDIT: Okay older-ish chars have it in this sheet, newer chars have it in the char specific sheets
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DkFeG8fEkmM84XW2jtYuNpNxyE1W7-XXMj0V6Bn6wrA/edit#gid=0

And yes, Itto's trigger timing for XQ on his N1 (27f) is after the hitmark of his N1 (23f)

Whereas for Diluc, trigger timing for XQ on his N1 (15f) is before his N1 hitmark (24f)

[wicked solstice]

thank you

[wooden belfry]

that's bizarre, i never knew that normal triggers varry between units

[amber olive]

unfortunately for xianyun stuff, dilucs being before his N1 hitmark doesnt get me more plunges if i wanna use xq/yelan

😔

[wicked solstice]

im pretty sure you can do all 8 as long as you cancel the normal after the coord trigger and before his hitmark

[amber olive]

You can fit 8 but idk if its more damage than vaping the NAs as well

Wonder if he can fit 8 with NAs

Will have to see

[wicked solstice]

I think yes if you use xingqiu before furina and xianyun, no otherwise

from my calcs vaping the NAs is not worth the extra time it takes

better to cut the rotation short

[amber olive]

interestinge

ik u can get more than 8 plunges out without NAs

even moreso with dash plunging

but plunges also dont autotarget enemies so people are gonna hate playing it generally

[orchid mural]

does anyone know if chiori is a 4 or 5 star?

[strange torrent]

5* also, this isn't the place for that question.

[clever phoenix]

can u swirl electro with this rotation?

is it better to use jean 1st before bennet?

[soft drift]

Probably

[amber olive]

you can always check in the sample seed no?

should be able to show if an electro swirl happens, if VV procs and the resistance/res multiplier used in the calculation of subsequent hits

[karmic rock]

Was wondering if this can keep up with furina drain?

[echo timber]

With furina IHB i think it does

[amber olive]

easy way to check, furina drains around 2.5% per second on average
check 2.5% of your kavehs HP, then compare it to how much he would get healed per proc of his A1

although keep in mind hes taking damage from dendro cores as well to trigger this

ik he has dendro res but its gonna add up to his overall sustain

whilst this only needs getting hit by one to trigger, but you can take dmg from up to 2 blooms every 0.5s

with furinas extra healing passive, if you managed to consistently top out your HP then youd definitely be fine

[karmic rock]

Oh true

[copper cliff]

What is good crit and er stats for xinqiu

In the process of finally building him.
He's c6 and r2 sac with 59 cr and 85 cd with 242 er. It's probably too much er for him

[night orchid]

#・genshin-help

[copper cliff]

Oh I thought I could ask it here

[clear ivy]

here is more math stuff

so basically when it reaches a point where neither ghelp nor optimizer can help you much

[outer jetty]

Guys help me I'm going to pull for Nahida for my Nilou bloom team but I heard that she has a lot of dendro application so that means she's probably not going the be the main proc for bloom reactions since I'm planning on pairing her with dendro trav and kokomi. So would that mean I have to build a full em build for Kokomi?

[jovial smelt]

yes

[clear ivy]

you'd have to do that and onfield kokomi

[vivid ember]

You can either go full EM Kokomi or a Hybrid clam setup, both are good choices

Give her an EM sands/goblet and she can gain damage over full EM especially if you don't have a good Paradise set

Full EM will win out in AoE, but hybrid clam is very good for fewer targets

[night orchid]

are there plans to add xianyun to wfpsim?

[sand trout]

unfortunately it seems it wont be done before she is released and by then you might want to wait for it to be added to gcsim

[grizzled estuary]

mh vs cw with furina yelan jean

like would potential be better or consistency

[night orchid]

#・genshin-help

[grizzled estuary]

Ty

Will try

[pearl kiln]

ngl there's been a lot of redirection to ghelp in this channel wow

[amber olive]

well this channel isnt a help channel, its a channel for specifically TC, as mentioned by the channel description

[pearl kiln]

i know. I'm just surprised at how many times this happened here

and i know that this channel is reserved for only TC

hence my question wondering how this happened many times

hope that clears up my statement

[amber olive]

the way i see it is a large majority of the public arent here to TC themselves, instead just have more of an interest than just the basics of the game or are here for the results posted by other people rather than doing it themselves. we're primarily a pre-tc server so people that do do pre-tc either end up joining staff, or doing it in the respective character-tc channels, leaving this channel kinda dead in comparison.

plus, most people are talking in lounge so if any tc-related convos do happen, they generally will happen there rather than move to here

the channel doesnt hurt to have but we get quite a lot of these questions in tc lounge as well

which is fine as people are more ready to help there due to being a general chat channel with people that know more than most may, but there will still be the odd redirection to ghelp even there

doesnt hurt to keep this channel around but its just an unfortunate side effect of most people not actually doing TC themselves or joining staff if theyre actually interested imo

[lofty wave]

aight all for you 🅱️eifa

i shall start Making sims for Fremi teams

[clever phoenix]

does wfpsim has list of sims available listed somewhere?

[amber olive]

No, sims on wfpsim are only saved for a week before expiring so its encouraged that people save their configs

[grizzled estuary]

hp or hydro goblet on furina?

[echo timber]

hp

[grizzled estuary]

alright

ty

[echo timber]

Also this isnt the place to ask this btw

[grizzled estuary]

oh i see

[hard bay]

Anyone here know how Jstern calced 300K+ DPR for Albedo in mono-geo without Zhongli? Maybe an assumption was made of getting crystallize shields from enemies? Not a particularly plausible one.

I've personally can't find him doing more than 300K WITH full 40% shred and 15% dmg bonus uptime

[night orchid]

probably best to ask in jsterns discord

[jovial smelt]

he updated them on stream tonight btw, those are outdated

[hard bay]

Yeah, I'm in the server. I dunno if I'm just really dumb but until now after checking again, I couldn't find any chat rooms before 💀.

Is the 'faucet' leak channel the only available one?

[night orchid]

there is a theorycrafting channel

[hard bay]

Am I blind? It's JSM you're talking about, right? I just don't see anything

[jovial smelt]

I see it

[hard bay]

Do you need to react to something to have access to it?

[jovial smelt]

I think yes, try to get the role by reacting to stuffs

[hard bay]

I've reacted to stuff before but there's no indication that it's doing something. The other servers I've been in (KQM, this one, Jamie's) all had their channels visible even before I was able to access them. Anything to do with having nitro maybe?

[jovial smelt]

I don't have Nitro

[jovial smelt]

you just need the murmber role

[hard bay]

Ok that's interesting. I had already noticed that most members on the sidebar had that role active and I didn't. So I went to the verify channel, clicked on the matching emote, and it... worked?

Anyways, thanks

[jovial smelt]

with frame perfect, 5(n2cjp) n2c

or 6(n1cjp) works too

But very hard to pull it off, you need to be a dedicated hu tao main for that

most likely yeah

n2c

for the combo with 5

n1c for the combo with 6

[night orchid]

very difficult yes

there might be hybrid combos too

5n2cjp is probably a more realistic one

can also try stuff like 3n2cjp 2n1cjp n1cq

[opaque basalt]

is there a set "best" rotation for hu tao, c6 furina, yelan, kazuha?

im looking at these ones

and im not sure which is better

id appreciate if anyone knows

also for the 2nd rota im not sure if qe or eq is better for kazuha, in case one is strictly better please do tell

[lofty wave]

@amber olive im actually curious now

lyney was the best frontloader for pyro in the DPSes

is that still the case with Plunge tao now or....?

other than gaming

[jovial smelt]

xianyun+furina together require a long setup, it’s usually not very good for speedrun

[lofty wave]

hmmm very fair

forgot to account for that

[amber olive]

as duckfero said xianyun and furinas setups take quite a long time

whereas lyney can kinda just

go

lmao

[tepid crest]

between SoSS and Dragon's Bane....which do i go for hu tao?

[lofty wave]

SoSS but also this is more of a question for #・genshin-help

[tepid crest]

oop- sorry

[rare tundra]

how many times does chiori dolls attack in no construct vs w/construct team?

[amber olive]

5 times per doll, 1 doll in no construct, 2 dolls with a construct

[rare tundra]

also do we have chiori tc channel (●´⌓`●) why do channels end up being unlisted in this server huhuhuhu

oooo

[amber olive]

https://discord.com/channels/791074691841523742/1201464235583098890

should be able to see it

[rare tundra]

thanmndkdq

[amber olive]

[wooden belfry]

heyo @amber olive in your chiori sheet (cinnabar mono geo), looking at the calculator, your assumption is 7 average triggers of cinnabar in a rotation right? You set it for 5/10 turrets triggers and 2/2 passives . I do wonder if her A1 could have unfortunate timing, and hit on the 1.5s CD of cinnabar, missing the trigger. meaning, in reality it can go between 0~2 triggers per rotation.
As for the assumptions in your sheet, when i talked with ac1d, he told me chiori E snapshots ONLY def, not even dmg% and CD%, please ask him later if its still the case

[amber olive]

Its only week 1 so these calcs are very quick just to get a rough idea, yes to my knowledge she only snapshots def as i has others specifically tested for me.
Ngl i feel even 7 triggers of cinnabar is generous and idt theyd necessarily trigger on the coord attacks even, most likely not. I just wanted to spread them out rly lol.

If i do decide to do more in depth calcs later on id properly map it out and separate each hit rather than set the instances like this

Its week 1 calcs so i didnt wanna go overboard

in reality youd probably get them on say
upward thrust
doll 2 hit 1
then theyd kinda alternate between which doll gets them but total up to 6 hits
these 4 other hits from dolls could change depending on if the coord atk procs it first though

and depending on if the 2nd doll was made at the same time on cast due to an existing construct or slightly later, you may get a 7th on doll 2 hit 5 depending on how spread out they are

again its smth id map out at some point coz im curious for if you can squeeze a 6th set of particles out under realistic scenarios or if ppl r kinda coping with that

even by frames that 2nd proc i mentioned being on doll 2 hit one is very iffy

so could even just be 5, 4 from dolls and once from cast

[wooden belfry]

hmmm

[wooden belfry]

yea yea exactly, i was asking mostly to check if im doing good assumptions on my end

[amber olive]

[wooden belfry]

for such a simple kit, its funny how we still find stuff to complicate the calc

[amber olive]

blame spindle passive being awkward

[wooden belfry]

cinnabar is a weird weapon

[amber olive]

just use HoD

real

speaking of spindle

i was calcing albedo spindle vs uraku last night

theyre so fkn close besides gorou c6 where spindle actually takes the lead by like 4%

[wooden belfry]

[amber olive]

then every other scenario theyre a percent or less different besides GT + gorou non c6 where uraku is 4% better

[wooden belfry]

btw, did you do albedo vs chiori? dude i did it on my setup and laughed my ass off

[amber olive]

i didnt directly compare them

but you could compare them from the calcs ive done

[vivid ember]

Damn that seems wild, though I wasn't considering gorou flat Def buff

[wooden belfry]

straight up 70% dpr increase

[amber olive]

[wooden belfry]

[amber olive]

i had her at about

[amber olive]

a 25-30% DPS increase to mono geo

just by directly replacing albedo

[wooden belfry]

absurd

[amber olive]

if you were curious for the albedo calcs, its just him and gorou with geo reso basically

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12AoF1TLB3-Rdt9lQt2wuztjdBwwn3SDPfHSNosqN010/edit#gid=1267413562

no ZL shield for more res shred

added geo reso 20% shred tho coz aintnoway any team wouldnt either have ZL shield or a crystallise shield up for it to proc once

i find it hillarious they managed to make these chars so similar

yet prefer completely different weapons

their only shared trait is HoD

it always goes back to HoD xD

[vivid ember]

What're your numbers on chiori cinnabar Vs Sig w/ monogeo leifa

[wooden belfry]

spindle proc 50% is a weird way of putting it. i think its better to just say which hits you assumed proc'd. c0 has a total of 13 E damage sources. E cast, 10 turrets, and 2 A1.
E cast is guaranteed, then most likely, 4 out of the 10 turrets will get a proc unless they desync in a good way. and A1 is a wildcard

which messes up the assumption.

[vivid ember]

I say 50% because i have a % toggle on how much of the buff gets applied to every hit

[wooden belfry]

cheesed it i see

[vivid ember]

Half the buff being applied to 10 hits = full buff applied to 5 hits if they share the same other buffs

[amber olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XanWhPTq8Qylbr02p_TR0Ls_4v4-4JDuPyuhMZ40KT0/edit#gid=1267413562 all chiori numbers here
sig + mono geo, husk- 558k DPR
sig + 2/3 burst mono geo, husk - 575k DPR
sig + mono geo, GT - 551k DPR
sig + 2/3 burst mono geo, GT - 580k DPR
cinnabar + mono geo, husk - 440k DPR
cinnabar + mono geo, GT - 451k DPR
havent checked 2/3 burst for cinnabar

[wooden belfry]

i guess that's good enough for most people that read the results

[amber olive]

wouldnt work that way on my sheet coz of splitting up the MVs lol

if i just put a % on each hit id need to half it again on everything coz of 2 MVs

[vivid ember]

I should prob make a standard calc sheet at some point

But that's effort

[amber olive]

[wooden belfry]

@amber olive you can actually add a new damage source, and force on it a flat value.

[amber olive]

i mean you dont wanna know what i was doing before this template

[amber olive]

thats one way of doing it

[wooden belfry]

but then you need to either commit to gorou c6 working or not

[amber olive]

altho id prefer to show it as a timeline personally

[wooden belfry]

oh wait, or just make 2

and have one affect and one not

[amber olive]

mhm

like when im just doing quick stuff like this i can easily just set the instances to what i want

[wooden belfry]

cause c6 will run out midrot

[amber olive]

if i want to start measuring an actual rot

i split up

every hit

[wooden belfry]

[amber olive]

or basically every hit

like if you looked at the xianyun weapon/arti calcs i did

[wooden belfry]

i think people will forgive you if you calculate in blocks

[amber olive]

Crying my pc doesnt wanna send msgs now 😭

[wooden belfry]

thats the sane way of doing it

[amber olive]

almost everything is split up individually

and then mapped accordingly

[amber olive]

I like having the control to easily edit 1 attack if it turns out assumptions are slightly wrong

[wooden belfry]

the way you do it is akin to running a simulator, manually

[amber olive]

Nice thing is the sheet is infinitely extendable too

[amber olive]

Its a lot easier to visualise when its right there infront of me too

Rather than assuming x amount of this hit

Then needing a new column in case a buff runs out

May as well map everything out first then its quick and easy to make comparisons between weapons/arti sets

[wooden belfry]

true true, still, for the onlooker this looks daunting

[amber olive]

[wooden belfry]

god i hope you didn't do that on nilou TC

[amber olive]

I just did what made the most sense in my head at the time to allow accounting for dynamic buffs lol

[amber olive]

Nono i made this template just before furina

If youve seen the nahida softgoals, my calcs were ALOT more basic before

[wooden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/right-natalie-portman-star-wars-rd_btc-gif-24051918

[amber olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rL-_m9sDiEj8fditICNG7aNCLpDdmJRGbdGJ0ihaJT8/edit#gid=0 a lot of info sure but

[wooden belfry]

oh thank god

[amber olive]

this was quite literally it beforehand xD

[vivid ember]

My sheet doesn't care about buff uptime so I just guess

[wooden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/intergalactic-quality-intergalactic-intergalactic-back-to-the-future-back-to-the-future-this-is-a-classic-gif-26804321

[amber olive]

almost everything on here was hardcoded in the formulas lol

it was so bad lol

i somehow made it like

[wooden belfry]

solver who?

[amber olive]

almost a year without doing easy calcs

[wooden belfry]

ill admit i don't know how to use solvers either

[amber olive]

i did nahida stuff, yaoyao dps then nothing else till like lyney

[amber olive]

ok solver works fine on there tbf

[wooden belfry]

i do it the old fashioned way

[amber olive]

but i generally manually distribute now

coz ive had solver give me the wrong answer too many times

its just quicker for me to manually do it

[wooden belfry]

good ol copy paste

[amber olive]

then around lyney i said "fk it i wanna make something actually readable" xD

and from there ive been doing early week 1 calcs on this template lol

could probably find my stuff for previous version too lol

last patch funny enough was my 1st real attempt at team calcs

[wooden belfry]

really?

[amber olive]

mhm

[wooden belfry]

[amber olive]

with the xianyun and gaming team calcs sheet

ive generally done writing for any patch ive been involved with faq stuff lol

4.0 is where i decided to actually make my life easier so id be able to do calcs realistically lol

[wooden belfry]

now you evolved to the "everything" role

[amber olive]

😭

well im no verifier there are some templates out there i just cant read

another reason for making my own

if i dont know what every single cell is doing

i cant use it

[wooden belfry]

TCL hiring for tc staff spots everyone

[amber olive]

coz then idk if somethings wrong or not

[amber olive]

im just saying you can hop in too

🔥

[wooden belfry]

im a selfish TCer, i tc for myself and my account situation only

[amber olive]

fairs

[wooden belfry]

screw kqm standards and c0 only calcs

[amber olive]

im the opposite idt ive ever put my own stats into my calcs

[wooden belfry]

i want to see it makes sense for what i'm doing first

[amber olive]

fair

if i need to check anything for my own acc i use GO

altho normally it just spits out stuff i already knew

[wooden belfry]

[vivid ember]

I'm too busy to TC for too many places 😔 Nilou mains is enough for permanent calcs

[amber olive]

yall do calcs in nilou mains?

swear that place actively hated calcs coz "its not realistic to nilous gameplay"

😭

[vivid ember]

That was like OG NLM TC

Then the TC head left without saying anything, and I got bumped up

[amber olive]

nicege

[vivid ember]

We accept numbers, but as long as they can actually reflect gameplay as much as possible

But most of the time we avoid them, just understand what teams are good relative to others

[amber olive]

fairs

thank god sim exists for transformative bs tho

makes life a lot easier lol

[vivid ember]

Though SIM can't even reflect how you play the team

[amber olive]

depends on the scenario rly

[vivid ember]

You'd be dealing with conditionals for weeks

[amber olive]

not like sim is meant to be a test against every different enemy in the game

[vivid ember]

Yeah

[amber olive]

altho my nilou team has key, c2r1 nahida and elegy collei so

it kinda just dumpsters anything

[vivid ember]

Very based, I need to get to c2 Nahida and 104k blooms

[amber olive]

Its satisfying

[vivid ember]

Though my favourite team is c2 furina c2 Nilou

[amber olive]

I considered c2 nilou too but

The teams already overkill enuf lol

I do enjoy the haitham furina nilou comps tho

I just wish i had baizhu for it

Yaoyao and kirara arent ideal

Altho even before furina i enjoyed haitham nilou

Kinda just build raw dmg and the blooms are nice extras

[vivid ember]

Kirara is great with a c2 Nilou, 60k burst nukes

[amber olive]

Neuvi was funny altho another char id ideally want baizhu with

[amber olive]

Yeah shes good with nilou, just when furinas draining hp constantly there's no healing with her

[vivid ember]

Yeah fair

[amber olive]

So you have furinas self drain that would then stop at 50%, lowering her dmg whilst having to hope ur kirara shield doesnt break lol

[vivid ember]

C2 Nahida will be great, 70k Furina ticks, 50k Nahida ticks, 80k blooms

[amber olive]

Real

[fallen jetty]

Damn how? I'm getting 87k blooms when all buffs are up

[fallen jetty]

Ohhh

Makes sense

[vivid ember]

[fallen jetty]

C2 Nilou is like 40% res shred?

[vivid ember]

for 104k blooms i would play barbara, but i accept less when furina does insane damage

35%

16% increased Dendro dmg, 25% increased Hydro dmg

@ standard res

[fallen jetty]

Why barbara? Didn't get bloom bug with E got fix?

[vivid ember]

https://streamable.com/w3y7r9

and as a full EM driver she works pretty much as well as kokomi regardless

[strange torrent]

She still applies Hydro again every time she touches a different enemy.

That's why people pair her with Kirara now too, 'cause Kirara does the same with Dendro.

[fallen jetty]

I mean, so does Kokomo, right?

[vivid ember]

koko jelly applies on 2s ticks

barb applies on contact with no ticks

[strange torrent]

Yeah, you just have to run into them.

[vivid ember]

so you can avoid bloom ICD cap sometimes

[strange torrent]

It's very braindead tbh

And fun

[vivid ember]

though it doesnt come up too often

yeah

i love barb bloom and bloom bus stuff

plus barb E on its own is 2 apps basically instantly on nearby enemies, and a 3rd one very shortly after

so very good nuking

[fallen jetty]

Damn, Barbara applies hydro every time she is touching someone?

[vivid ember]

she has a unique ICD of 2 apps / 2.5s
whenever an enemy enters her ring, she applies hydro to every target in her ring
and she can tick each target every 1.5s

https://streamable.com/4yiy03

unfortunately this effect doesnt work with nilou's blooms, and they dont count as entities for her to tick on
but regular blooms do, so you can see how multiple enemies makes a lot of blooms

[fallen jetty]

Ohh I got. It considers the blooms a target. And does the same with Kirara balls?

[vivid ember]

no, but kirara applies dendro on contact in box mode, 0.5s cd, 3 hit ICD so you can apply dendro every 1.5-2s with her, on top of barb's ring applying hydro while protected by a shield and sprint movement speed in kirara box

bloom bus just lets you run around with a lot of manoeuvrability while killing stuff

[glossy nexus]

Which one has better dps with Xianyun Gaming C6 or C0 Diluc ? (if anyone has calcs i'd love to see them)

[echo timber]

Gaming

[night orchid]

the only diluc xianyun calcs ive seen are jsterns, and as he doesnt share his sheets they arent able to be checked. attached is what he had after the xianyun buff in beta, but take it with a grain of salt. linked are duckfero's and leifa's gaming pre tc gaming calcs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18G1UcV2JnTI_L6h6b4u3Em451xeWOkWXoG5llff46wo/edit#gid=845031590
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19bez8v2KlB4JCCp81WmhLxRsGD1aV8Qf/
i dont believe these have been updated if there is new information about vapes/rotations from on release testing

[glossy nexus]

alright tysm ❤️

[strange torrent]

Yeah. I think it's one of those things where everyone eyeballed it and decided Diluc wasn't worth calcing.

[sand trout]

im crying what the hell

[low shale]

[echo timber]

This is why i don't like jstern lmao

[amber olive]

tbf

it is pretty easy to get consistent vapes on diluc

been playing it quite a bit

and the VV setup is easier than i thought itd be

even easier with c6 bennett but i havent activated that

altho as i cant see the calcs idk

[clever phoenix]

iirc tgs has one on his vid. but yeah no sheet as well.

tho i think he will give it if u ask him on his server.

[stone wadi]

Does anyone know comparison between Ibis Piercer vs Blazing Sun for a melt Ganyu?

[kind escarp]

if im using a team of nahida, c2 furina, baizhu c2 and diluc as burgeon, is using Nahida's burst THAT necessary or is it a time waster?

the same goes for holding E vsing pressing E as nahida, doesnt make much of a difference right? (sorry if you cant tell i JUST got nahida HAHAH)

[night orchid]

#・genshin-help

[echo timber]

1. Yes her burst is important to use because it gives the on-field character an em buff based on character who has more em in the team. (Check her ascension passive 1)
2. Use tap E if theres one/two enemies and you are near them. Use hold E if theres a lot of enemies in aoe. The difference between tap and hold is small imo, so use whatever is more comfy to you.
3. This isnt the best channel to ask that, ask in #・genshin-help

[kind escarp]

thank you for the response!! i appreciate it!! next time ill pop it in the genshin help chat thank you for letting me know <333

[iron sail]

is this accurate?

[echo timber]

Where is homa 😭

[iron sail]

atk/crit

cause pjws outdid by a very large margin it went over deathmatch

but its with all the other crit/atk 5* cause i want to future proof somewhat + its easier to group together for other weapons to be included as well

Theyre included in #3

in atk crit

but Ill change to 5* atk crit so people understand it better maybe

its kinda cause there are so many of them and i want to future proof it

what?

Maybe but its not always the case?

usually you can still use as stat stick no?

also how is it an issue to list weapons that serve a similar purpose together?

and why is it an issue to list the mediocre options as mediocre?

It's also cause a lot of people dont have all the 5* weapons, so its for those that can also pick from the 4* options

[echo timber]

^^^^

[iron sail]

ahh you mean like that

[echo timber]

Hell, even ballad of the fjords it's mentioned 💀

[iron sail]

Ok, I think we're missunderstanding each other then

Basically the reason why I listed them like that is because for the most part, I want to give more range for a lot of people

the 5*s do range very differently but all in all they out do the mediocre ones by a lot

but at the same time, if I list the exact order it becomes more difficult for those that just dont have any or very few 5* to know what their options are

so its more of, "if you dont have any 5* then pick one of these"

tho I could probably take out Englufing and Skyward Spine and see if I can order the 5* in better

yeah thats fair, i didnt test it enough with a lot of different teammates

yeah I get your point in order there

but there are only two size hierarchies

tho i could do one with top & down

though calamity also works no?

sss & vortex could also work

so including them wouldnt be wrong either

but at the same time its good to add in a number of 4* options for those that are just starting out or just dont have that many 5*s

yeah, I agree

I should prob still seperate Homa fromt he rest

maybe exclude fjords and er 5*?

its more to do with my target audience

being somewhat targeted towards people more so unfamiliar with things, starting out or more casual

but not making it completely useless for those that already know

often times in tc I see that it neglects those that do not already have a lot of options or know enough yet

yeah ur right im not arguing that

its more to do with target audience and such

hence why 5* arent listed the same way that you would get from more in depth guides

mm, I still think that listing Deathmatch and lithic is really important

will probably remove fjords since its not better than deathmatch and its better to encourage deathmatch purchase over ballad

still wanna mention the statsticks since a lot of players also burn out or do random pulls and just have certain weapons

but yeah ill change the statstick part

would it be accuarte to put it like this:
PJWS
Homa
SSS
Deathmatch
Calamity/Vortex
Lithic* (explain it varies on Liyue characters)
Missive
Fav

[iron sail]

are there any errors?

[echo timber]

Mouuns moon over fav?

[iron sail]

mm fair, I was mainly going off the reqs already being met, but fav does that better + helps with the team more

would this be better then?

[iron sail]

should I put as equal

since it also might depend on weapon/artis

hmm i see

[unkempt sandal]

i’d put a bigger cross over skyward harp or just not include it

it’s kind of easy to miss

[iron sail]

I tried doing my own calcs for Faruzan Burst DPS, but idk if I'm doing it wrong because even though Faruzan has good crit ratios and high ER gcsim keeps saying that eosf either does as much or less damage than 2pc combos

[fossil rain]

does Furina/Wrio/Baizhu/Thoma work as a burgeon/burnmelt team or is Thoma's pyro app too slow for consistent melts? would Baizhu c2 make a difference?

[amber olive]

Generally this team was played with xiangling over thoma as it allows for both melts, vapes and bloom seeds to occur pretty consistently. Although the ER Reqs for everyone is pretty harsh

[fossil rain]

yeahhhh that's why I was using Thoma instead, Xiangling feels like she has a secret passive that makes her burst cost 100... I'll try it with her again ig

[lofty wave]

its not dead

[proper falcon]

hello

anyone here has the optimizer link

with chiori beta in it?

cant find the link 😦

[wooden belfry]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[wooden belfry]

@proper falcon here u go

[proper falcon]

thanks. but anyway i found the version i want already hahaha ty ya

[iron sail]

is this accurate?

I wanted to add in the skill cause you get healing of it which is good for a lot of her teams

[clear ivy]

i see some issues with it

[old apex]

maybe add in somewhere to level her to 90?

[clear ivy]

one being tthe lack of key

[iron sail]

ah forgot that one

[clear ivy]

which should be one of her better options especially if your team can afford to onfield her

c1 is useless, c6 is useless

c2 is her best constellation , c4 is conditionally great (the condition being using key)

[iron sail]

c1 gives bigger aoe?

[clear ivy]

for the ult

it's not a focus of her kit

[echo timber]

Of her burst, yes, but it's useless anyways

[iron sail]

ahhhh

[clear ivy]

burst is just there to power through a shield

like mages etc

[echo timber]

Key is really good if you have c4, you can do e > na (c4 proc) > q to get 3 stacks before swapping, it's a good combo when you don't on field her

[iron sail]

I thought the aoe was for skill

not burst

[clear ivy]

nah

[iron sail]

ah for the c6 I thought that this was good no

maybe not too notable tho ig

[clear ivy]

the CD on that effect is enough for haitham kuki team to clear two abyss chambers

• dropping to 25% hp is a tall order

[iron sail]

am I wrong to put key under Toukabou Shigure

[clear ivy]

yes

it gives teamwide EM too