・theorycrafting

[small gate]

And

• Hu Tao Furina Yelan ( baizhu or jean ) will have the highest DMG In single target situations

[glad palm]

Thx

[warm tundra]

Can anyone tell me if furina might be able to replace kokomi in Ayaka freeze team? (Not looking for like the most optimal just wondering if it would work as intended)

[dawn abyss]

Yes, just replace shenhe with Charlotte. Unless you are a sheet warrior, shenhe isn't very good in ayaka teams, because she brings nothing in multi wave scenarios, which ayaka is very weak in.

With furina you offload some of Ayaka's damage onto furina, which makes multi wave floors much easier to deal with. It's also more consistent when you miss your ult against bosses.

[warm tundra]

Works perfectly fine for my case cause I don’t have shenhe yet haha

Thanks !

[warm tundra]

On the same subject do we know yet if her sig will be worth summoning as a general weapon or if it’ll just be good for her?

[jovial smelt]

It’s one of the worst 5* option for other characters, if we assume no stack

I still haven’t calc on alhaitham with furina though

[warm tundra]

Then I’ll prolly pass on her sig, do you have any recommendations on 4* to prepare for her?

[echo timber]

Festering desire if you have it, or pipe (the new fishable sword)

[echo timber]

Its good on her but it's not worth on other chars + it's paired w baizhus sig in 4.2 so it's 💀

[warm tundra]

Looks like I’ll be farming another fishing weapon lol

Nearly done with catch so good timing I guess

[echo timber]

Damn

[warm tundra]

Does festering get rerun or was that an event weapon?

[echo timber]

Nah

[warm tundra]

could anyone help me with a mono hydro team, ik its probably been done a lot but im pretty new and dont know much. I want to use yelan as my main dps with mona xingqiu and kazuha but dont know if it would be good or what kind of builds they would need to make it work. any help would be greatly appreciated 😄

[fluid dock]

That team would work

But Mona isn't the best there

Would use someone like Fischl (not monohydro anymore but you double swirl anyway) or Ayato

[warm tundra]

Hmmm ayato could work if I pull for him on next banner

Do we know if he’s first or second phase yet?

[echo timber]

I would change mona for barbara ttds to buff xq or kokomi and make her the driver

Don't feel pressed to pull for ayato

He is in second half w cyno, first half is furina w baizhu

[tepid crest]

does anyone have any itto artifact set ranking?

[cursive light]

Neuvillete with 20:215 cr ratio, using R5 proto amber
Or sacrificial jade R1? He will have around 55:215 ratio then, which would be better ?

[echo timber]

55:215 > 20:215

20 cr w MH is low, at max stacks he would reach 56 cr, it's low

[uncut jasper]

sac jade definitely

[broken skiff]

Ok out of C2R1 Raiden, C0R5widsith Yae, C6R5Stringless Fischl, C0 Kazuha, C6 Sucrose, c6 Dendro Traveler, what’s the best aggravate team I can make?

[clear ivy]

raiden fischl traveller kazuha

sucrose or yae could probably net higher theoritical dps

but fischl is easier to make use of and kazuha brings his CC with him

you're working with circle impact from the mc so we gotta capitalize on that

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[winged marten]

yow does furinas weapon possible by keqings new BIS weap? cuz that 88 cdmg + the new artifact gives it high cdm and crit rate or its still mistsplitter + 4pc tf for aggravate dendro

[small gate]

No . Mistspilitter still BiS

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1-HxfgblwLbPHqc8lrJ77hCPXMHaFWykO/1mh_DZsZitXmN_MKinhBCHIluhrNDh5Yo/1mrHco0eEqG6Rq_kldCTtdMnk11UnDBcK?sort=13&direction=a

calc from @ Duckfero

🫡

[winged marten]

nice thats good to know lmao i knida panicked in furinas weap

[small gate]

Nah don’t worry, her weapon only good for her and mid for others , and coming with worst Sig weapon ever ( Mint donut 🍩of Baizhu)

[winged marten]

nice then its not a must have then hahaha i just collect swords for kequeen

[abstract phoenix]

Is there a tc discord with leaks like wfp for HSR?

[clever phoenix]

anyone has any sheet or chart of healing done by healers like this one from zajeff.

[hollow hearth]

what about pamber mona

[clever phoenix]

idk. but it depends on % of team hp. so probably doesnt fit into this.

[fierce flicker]

Question

As a poor yelan not haver

How we feeling about furina with diluc and like koko or something

[small gate]

For now Furina will give huge DMG buff for all DPS characters, and that Includes Diluc , Klee , Nigguang .. etc

And Furin personal DMG also better than Yelan , and Furina buff for teamwide not for active character like yelan

[fierce flicker]

Soooo

Pull her for diluc? 🫡

[small gate]

For kok , she will have crazy team with Furina :

• Kok Furina Yelan Xq
• kok Furina Yelan Kazuha

[small gate]

Yes , and for your whole account 👍

Furina & Yelan duo will give tons of DMG%

[fierce flicker]

Slay

Well Tysm

[quick fiber]

anyone got their hands on navia kit so far?

[vivid ember]

the usual leaker for kits has seemingly quit (or is taking a break from) genshin, so we will likely need to wait until beta files drop

[strange pulsar]

I’m sorry if this is the wrong channel but I heard someone did a calc for wanderer with furina that shows that MH would be better for him than pavilion, is that true?

[small gate]

And thats for all DPS In Furina team

[strange pulsar]

Do you know where I could find the sheet for that so I can shut my friend up lolol

[small gate]

I don’t have for Wanderer calc rn , but every calc I see say that , MH Is better always with Fuirna

[amber olive]

Could always check scaramains disc

I believe someone did a calc there but cant say i frequent it myself

At least for tao its about a 10% increase over other sets and for klee its about 17% to my knowledge

[lofty wave]

Kleek

[bold pumice]

do we have faq for charlotte yet? 😄

[clear spear]

am i tripping or were the navia-tc and chevreuse-tc channels get deleted

maybe i dreamt they were there this morning

[tepid crest]

yes they were there

idk why its gone now though either XD

[still nexus]

Is there a pet limit like yae if 4 of you are furina in coop?

[amber olive]

If its the same as beta, then yes

[amber olive]

Its on its way been quite a busy time for ppl so will be up as quickly as it can be

[amber olive]

Gone because no ambr pages yet, were opened a bit early sorry about that

[still nexus]

Thank youu

[amber olive]

[ivory rapids]

how good is Nilou's Weapon (Key of Khas-Nisut) on Furina compared to Furina's signature? i lost on weapon banner and got green donut.

[amber olive]

its a nice alternative with team support capabilities, its gonna lack behind in personal dmg (altho still better than options like fishing pipe) but makes up for it if your team can use the EM buff it provides

and with furinas high af hp on that weapon, you can go DMG% goblet if you have a better one for personal dmg, or stick with a HP one for more EM to the team

i like it a lot personally

[ivory rapids]

fkin hate the green donut\

ruined my pulls

[amber olive]

😭

dont we all

gl if you carry on

[ivory rapids]

nah. need to save for future characters

[fleet pawn]

Does Charlotte's particle generation differ between tap and hold variants?

[low shale]

yes

3 particles on tap
5 on hold

[runic kraken]

Guys for jean in a furina team as healer does she use full em vv or atk atk hb vv

[paper echo]

so how much energy is enough for furina

i only have about 179.6

[lunar pebble]

The latter

[lunar pebble]

Probably ok unless ur doing solo hydro, depends on your teams

[paper echo]

Well I might play solo hydro

I don’t have a hp goblet rn or a n er sands for golden troupe

So I have to run hp sands

[echo timber]

Does jean still want atk atk hb even if she is c3? (T12)

[woven frigate]

||will royal greatsword work good on Navia? i have redhorn but ion use it on anyone but which one is better?||

[spare osprey]

Redhorn is better

[woven frigate]

but doesn't she need a lot of ATK?

[spare osprey]

Crit > atk

[woven frigate]

what claymore that isn't a 5 star coul be better than redhorn?

[spare osprey]

R5 serpent spine

[spare osprey]

Maybe r5 tidal shadow if you can trigger it

[woven frigate]

maybe not weapons that are R5 😭

what about blackcliff?

[spare osprey]

Tidal shadow is craftable

[spare osprey]

No

[woven frigate]

oh right

[woven frigate]

omg i can't even craft it LMAO

i'll use redhorn..

[gritty linden]

how much atk was recommended for jean in neuvi+furina teams?

like should i go atk/er/cr? or atk/er/atk?

[still socket]

U can go hb circ

[brave perch]

Will Navia be better than Itto?

[sudden drum]

good question

[crisp niche]

not sure about better but 100% more accessible, possibly better too yeah

[kind sun]

theres a new artifact set right will that be best for navia

[vapid crag]

it's competing heavily with golden and marechaussee

but depends on playstyle / comp (if quickswap dps/ if with furina)

[rough breach]

How much does c0 Furina boost c0 Neuv?

[echo lintel]

anyone happened to have the sheet or just sheeted number of
noelle furina + 2geo
vs
noelle furina + 2hydro

[jovial smelt]

from @warm edge https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ST5gl5rG6hd9f7BzcNbvem8jlUcvyQSjg-d9YrNmmk/edit#gid=667902030

[echo lintel]

arigathanks gozaimuch

[echo lintel]

2 questions

1. whos a suitable replacement for albedo since I don't have him? yunjin? zhongli?
2. 3hydro, noelle uses AP favo, but what about 3geo? 4pcs mh? or still ap

[jovial smelt]

yelan or furina can replace albedo

4p MH yeah for 3 geo

[echo lintel]

no no, geo options

ie i run furina yelan noelle + geo flex to supplement noelle ER

or furina + 3 geo

[jovial smelt]

gorou maybe

not a fan of yunjin here (you buff noelle dmg that are quite low), and zhong doesn’t bring much

[jovial smelt]

navia

she fits quite well here tbh

[echo lintel]

wait won't navia be the onfielder instead

also
*cries in 0 primos

[jovial smelt]

you can play navia as hypercarry or sub dps

[echo lintel]

then imma ask ur honest opinion

im at c1r1 furina

0 primos as of now
60/90 guaranteed

c2 furina or navia?

[jovial smelt]

I wouldn’t have gone R1 without C2 if I were you

Navia is an easy skip in her current state

[echo lintel]

r1 was random luck

[echo lintel]

aight

thank ye very much

[jovial smelt]

she is more like a char that work well if you like her, but not needed at all

[echo lintel]

so if i wanna do 3geo for geo contents
noelle - 4mh
furina
gorou
yunjin/ningguang

thats the team?

or will zl be a better fit

[jovial smelt]

Yeah it’s good

[echo lintel]

finally time to dig ningguang out of her cryostasis

[kind sun]

Do you know what comp would be good for her

[slender yacht]

Is this enough ER for solo Hydro Furina? I'm pairing her most of the time with jean favge

[lapis whale]

Is it expected that raiden + furina + xinqiu + Jean is better than any other hyper carry raiden team with no c6 Sara?

[still nexus]

What's c6 Charlotte's average healing?

[glossy nexus]

Does anyone has a proper rotation for Furina Neuv Kuki Nahida team ? i made one myself but i'd like to see how other players manage it

[crisp niche]

id say smth like nahida EQ>neuvi Q> kuki E> furina EQ>neuvi CA>CA>E>CA ?

[cerulean wasp]

hey guys, does anybody know what is telemetry and sophon dlls MHY added recently to their game client? Or could someone DM me a link for the source code of these files? I don't like the names of these files, sounds like spyware

[paper echo]

how good is ballad of the fjords on cyno?

compared to pjws

[ancient mirage]

Is there anywhere I could find furina calcs and the such?

[jovial smelt]

there is no place where you can find all of them, you have to find a part of them with each theorycrafter

[wicked ether]

would marechaussee be better than thundering fury on cyno if i have furina in the team

[clear ivy]

i'm no cyno expert and i can't say how his rots play around TF vs non TF with the CDR, but just from a stat head to head perspective MH will be giving more buffs so at the very least they should be competitive

the issue with MH however is that you have to reallocate stats because your baseline is 41% crit rate

so if you have SoSS or ballad ot the fjorgs you're looking for a more skewed statline distribution and especially with SoSS you're running into a chokehold with only 15% crit rate available

[wicked ether]

hmm i guess it might be easy to overcap on crit rate

[wicked ether]

for example since im using furina would it be worth using marechaussee over gilded dreams

[lunar pebble]

First of all:
TF is more fun imo, if you wanna do that then just play TF
second of all yeah as mentioned overcapping is quite realistic

if you ask me, probably not worth because

1. I personally dont think cyno should use furina at the cost of xingqiu
2. if Im alr playing a chara like cyno, might as well pick the more fun option

[wicked ether]

true

also does anyone know what's the best artifact set for alhaitham for 4.2 , every document i find doesnt have marechaussee hunter or any new artifacts in it

[cloud kindle]

Hey can someone please help me

Which are the best teams for furina

[plucky cedar]

it gives a lot of stats but i wouldnt recommend it purely because tf enables comfier stat building

not using tf leads to him being a lot more energy hungry

[bronze monolith]

Can furina compensate for non c1 Neuvi

[echo timber]

Yes ofc

[fiery igloo]

If I have to give Nahida to Neuvillette for Dehya Burgeon / Kuki Hyperbloom and the flex slot occupied by say sucrose for swirling hydro at the start of the rotation , which dendro character is better for supporting my TFGM Tighnari in the other team ? Dendro traveller or Kirara ?

[grave delta]

Does Diluc Vape benefit from Furina relatively more than Hu Tao? I'm wondering, if he does, whether that + Diluc cons would mostly close the gap. I assume both of their Furina teams would be Furina XQ/Yelan Jean/Sayu.

Not sure how big the gap was before, or how much each benefit from Furina compared to their old best Vape comps (Diluc Kazuha XQ/Yelan Bennett and Hu Tao Yelan XQ Zhongli, presumably).

[merry maple]

It's a tricky balance to weigh because whilst the synergy of Tao and Furina is worse than the synergy of Diluc and Furina, Tao can also run without a buffer due to her innate ATK steroids

So for example, if you run Diluc Furina Yelan Bennett, you effectively have a dead weight character who only buffs Diluc
Compared to say Tao Yelan Furina Jean, who yes whilst Jean doesn't really give anything to Tao, she still buffs Yelan Furina who should be half of the team's damage profile, so damage is gained back there

[grave delta]

I don't think running Bennett would be worth it in that Diluc team.

[merry maple]

If the option is Diluc Furina Yelan Jean, then you just have a worse version of Tao because Tao just does more than Diluc even at full HP

Lemme run some quick optimiser math ig

[grave delta]

Yeah, I know, but I'm wondering by how much.

[merry maple]

Yeah yeah just give asec

[grave delta]

Thanks, I'm not really sure how to put together rotations and such in these sims/spreadsheets.

I did try GCsim, but it didn't have Furina and it didn't seem to accommodate Diluc cons very well.

[merry maple]

With 250 Fanfare, 9s of Yelan Buff, with Jean

C6R5 Redhorn Diluc with 4MH, 20/20 liquid/fixed subs, EM/Pyro/CRIT, T13/13/13 doing
Q 4N2 3E (Es are all vaped, N1 are all vaped, Q initial is vaped)
458502

[grave delta]

I have some thoughts on that, but I wouldn't mind seeing Hu Tao first.

[merry maple]

I have C1 Tao with R1 Dragon's Bane dealing 700k

turned off the Pyro DMG

[grave delta]

What is the C1 Tao rotation?

[merry maple]

just 8N2CD

The peak is 11 iirc, 10 is good, so I just picked 8 for skill issued players/aka me

[grave delta]

I can't even do 8 N1C lol

[merry maple]

Then how low do you want me to go

I can do 6

and she'd still do better

[grave delta]

Btw, what I was doing with Diluc in Abyss was E Q E N3 E N4 E N2 E N2 E. Is there a reason why that isn't ideal?

[merry maple]

Too long

You want Yelan's double E

for higher energy economy

(I would assume...)

because in reality I would not be surprised if Furina and Yelan deal like 60-70% of the team's damage

[grave delta]

Yeah

[merry maple]

so you just want Diluc to be snappy

but yeah that's just a C1 R1 DBane

I would give him Beacon but that hasn't rerun yet

so I don't feel confident to give him a fuken R5 of that

[grave delta]

I was actually just thinking WGS

Since he lacks Bennett.

[merry maple]

It'd be less damage

but lemme check

Tao calcs

[grave delta]

WGS R1 probably, but maybe not R5? Do Redhorn refines even give anything?

[merry maple]

R5 WGS unprocced is 467k, R5 WGS procced is 608k

[grave delta]

Nice

[merry maple]

R1 is 432k/502k

I mean hey it can beat an R1 DBane

Take what you can get

[grave delta]

Yeah. Tbh, I'm not sure if R5 DBane on Tao is actually that much worse if you don't proc the additional attack from Homa?

[merry maple]

Good question

[grave delta]

But I might just be saying that because I don't have much EM on my Marechaussee set.

[merry maple]

R5 DBane 736399
R1 Homa not procced 834232

stat stick too strong I suppose

[grave delta]

I guess so

I actually own both C2R1 Tao and C4R1(WSG) Diluc atm. Tao is super hard to play on mobile, though.

How long should Diluc have for uptime with Yelan? Of a 20s rotation, Furina and Jean should only take up 5-6 seconds total with enough ER on jean, I think.

I've been using XQ E Q N1 E, which IIRC is about 4-5 seconds.

[merry maple]

no clue

probs like 10s I assume, cuz that seems like the most natural way to do a Yelan E mid rot

[grave delta]

Yeah, so it should be similar. Let me recheck Diluc's cooldown real quick, maybe I have just been using him too long on field.

Oh, yeah, you definitely should only be using 1 E per rotation, maybe 2 if you stuff the second all at once at the end.

[merry maple]

just do the epic EEE combo

[grave delta]

lol

I was kindof hoping that Diluc would be closer, because he is just so much more comfy to play, but I don't hate Hu Tao.

[merry maple]

you could simply just try dropping the pyro all together

and just run triple hydro + anemo and just

chill out

[grave delta]

I did do that with Childe Carry, but actually, uh...Childe seemed to die very easily in that team. I've gotten better at the team since trying Diluc and Hu Tao with it, though, so maybe it'll feel better now.

[merry maple]

Don't have Kokomi or Kazuha?

Jean Kazuha Yelan Furina is pretty aight

[grave delta]

I do have Kazuha, but he's occupado on my Yoimiya Monopyro.

I don't actually have Yelan though

lol

I'll try out Childe again in Abyss and also a condensed Diluc rotation.

Thanks again, I'm kindof surprised that the gap is so large. C6 Diluc is supposed to be, like, a 35% DPS boost compared to C0. I didn't think that the gap between him and Hu Tao would be more than 50%.

[merry maple]

It

is what it is

Very casual Tao doing N6 is pretty easy as well and unfortunately does more damage

[grave delta]

Actually, while you're here, would you be willing to do similar calcs for Childe?

[merry maple]

Well, maybe not actually

[grave delta]

Yeah, I could consistently do N1Cx7, the 8th and the ult were the hard part.

Gotta get used to the timings on mobile.

[paper echo]

how much er does cyno need in quickbloom

with baizhu and nahida

and furina

[fierce flicker]

But I want to try mona, kokomi, furina, and like Lynette and do like a mono hydro Pokémon team

[broken skiff]

For my freeze team, is it better to run Ayaka Furina Shenhe Jean, Ayaka Venti Furina Charlotte, or Ayaka Venti Shenhe Pamber Mona?

[keen patrol]

So is the new healing set a better option for Mika than Noblesse? Assuming no one else holds noblesse

[lofty wave]

@sand trout i need your help trying to cook the new healing set

on main dps kokomi

[sand trout]

wait till tomorrow

😭

if its buffed

if its not its doomge

also especially on mdps kokomi she has no crit so the flat dmg she gets wont be buffed from it either

i really dont see a reason for it rn

[mossy spruce]

is there a spreadsheet for exploration primogems or permanent primogems or anything like that
I wanna see how many I could get by just maxing everything on a brand new account

[wooden belfry]

its terrible, bubble unironically outdps it 💀

[cerulean wasp]

you can probably approximate it with 2500 primogems per overworld zone (zone is opened per patch). Sometimes it's more, sometimes less, but should average out around 2500

[sterile oriole]

is there a Navia tc channel yet?

I don't see one

oh nvm, it's under suggested at the top. mb

[winter steeple]

vourukasha boosts elemental skill/burst dmg by up to 50%;would this be better than 4 emblem if Raiden is ran with Furina? assuming both builds have 225 er

also what is a good way to increase an off-field char's em?

rn I'm experimenting with a furi vaporise team and need furi's em to be high

[vivid ember]

Furina's HP drain doesn't trigger Vourukasha's passive, it requires damage taken rather than changed

[winter steeple]

yikes thats quite cringe

you cant even get hit 5 times in 10 seconds

[vivid ember]

onfield EM is Key, Nahida Q, Instructor's, Sucrose or Elegy mainly

yeah, it only works for Dehya or bloomDPS Nilou

[crisp niche]

burn also has a small aoe in theory

could be decent for airfryer/oven teams

[dusk token]

Does anybody have rosaria weapon calcs with the ballad of fjord in it

[tropic needle]

Does anyone know where is Charlotte FAQ

[amber olive]

should be up very soon, a lot of people have been busy so getting it on the bots taken a while, sorry about the delay

[tropic needle]

It's fine, take your time, better a finished faq by healthy team than overworked one

[amber olive]

tyvm

[tardy bolt]

how important is charlotte's base level and talent levels in furina teams?
like, is there any significant difference between a 60/70 1/1/6 and a 90 1/1/9 charlotte?

[still nexus]

Is there a atk cap for Charlotte?

[low shale]

no

[earnest lagoon]

Can 135% ER work on Furina?

[echo timber]

In double hydro with neuvillette yes maybe, in double hydro without him it depends. In triple hydro yes and in solo hydro is bad

[lunar pebble]

!idp

[patent hare]

Depends on character
Depends on weapon
Depends on move
Depends on target
Depends on moon phase
Depends on your astrological star sign

It Depends™️

[lapis whale]

Does charlotte provide max stacks with furina?

[jovial smelt]

depend how much HP your team has when she burst

[lapis whale]

I see

Let’s assume second rotation

Where the entire team is like half

[jovial smelt]

then she will give like half of maximum stack with burst alone, with the rest being gained by furina drain and small heal tick from charlotte. You will most likely reach max stack with furina by the end of rotation

[lapis whale]

Ic thx

[lofty wave]

@amber olive

leifo

friendo

question for ya

Currently im running a Kokomi Furina Yelan Kazuha Team

my current rotation is a clean 18 Seconds Furina QE > Yelan EQE/QEE > Kazuha EQ > Kokomi QE 5N3D

i have thought of extending it a bit by doing Kokomi N1 > Kazuha E > Furina QE > Yelan EQE/QEE > Kazuha EQ > Kokomi QE 5N3D

[amber olive]

unless ur kazuha needs the extra energy i dont see much need for the extra kazuha E

[lofty wave]

ngl i dont even need the kazuha burst ill tell you that

[amber olive]

i dont use it a lot in this current abyss coz of the pyro lector self auras

[lofty wave]

the idea was so that Furina and Yelan would get the Hydro res shred and buff

and then i refresh it Right before koko

[amber olive]

their kits are dynamic anyways so theyll get it for the majority of the rot

[lofty wave]

so better off just keep it 18 secs eh?

[amber olive]

i would personally altho my setup is slightly different

koko E > Furina QEd > Yelan Q n1 E n1 > Kazu E > Koko Q NA bullshit

[lofty wave]

but

[amber olive]

kokos able to snap the Q bonus from 2nd rot onwards

[lofty wave]

Wouldnt starting with koko E mean her Doesnt get to snapshot the Kazuha E bonus?

or do you just Recast it

[amber olive]

i just recast from 2nd rot onwards

2nd rot onwards it has 100% uptime on snapping koko Q and kazu buffs

[lofty wave]

ic ic

[amber olive]

rather than disappearing after kokos fieldtime

then theres space for another yelan E if i need it to extend to 20s coz of kokos E CD

i dont have c1 but not like it makes a huge difference for me

also can b comfier to open with E if ur a bit damaged from the chamber before / get hit during IR frames of skills

its generally a pretty braindead team to play so as long as u setup ur stuff then do ur koko fieldtime ur fine lmao

dont rly need to think too much about it

[lofty wave]

[copper cobalt]

Hello
@jovial smelt
Do u have an updated weapons comparison for neuvilette with furina teams ?

[jovial smelt]

hi yes

[jovial smelt]

should be there https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1-HxfgblwLbPHqc8lrJ77hCPXMHaFWykO?sort=13&direction=a

[copper cobalt]

Thanks

[jovial smelt]

Tell me if you don’t find it

[echo timber]

Someone here has fischls weapon ranking if she has GT???? please please please please i finally have a 200 cv build and after 3 months and i need to know if VH is better than stringless if i don't have em

[clear ivy]

food for thought but has anyone considered 4 vermillion wanderer within a wanderer mika faruzan furina team situation ? i feel it would be fairly competitive since bennett is absent

[jovial smelt]

should be here https://youtu.be/JQKYfoV4kcE?si=c-W6UPBYTUW_ZS-I

[echo timber]

Oki tysm

[ancient mirage]

Hello is there any info on nymph’s dream and ayato I could find?

[winter steeple]

its like

4% better than the current hydro set

Nymph's Dream is Good for Ayato in Certain Cases
Nypmh's Dream performing better than the Heart of Depth for Ayato highly depends on whether or not his watery illusion from his Elemental Skill hits an opponent. The water illusion will help provide the final stack needed to maximize the effect of Nymph's Dreams.

Nypmh's Dream also performs slightly worse than Heart of Depth for Ayato if he is receiving multiple damage buffs such as from Bennett or Yun Jin's Elemental Bursts.

Not the Best Substitute for Heart of Depth
The only time that Nymph's Dream outperforms Heart of Depth is when a character using it can maintain the 8 second buff it requires. There are currently not a lot of Hydro characters who can do this, making the artifact not an efficient way to burn Resin.

extract from https://game8.co/games/Genshin-Impact/archives/409304

[summer brook]

Thoughts on c2 yae over kuki/ Raiden in furina/alhait/baizhu teams?

[wooden belfry]

she sadly do not target the bloom seeds, so while she does have a higher personal damage, missing your blooms will be more annoying. her field time doesn't do her many favors either .

[wooden belfry]

hmm, i've been really liking the koko furi yelan kazuha team lately, i was wondering if i should still use 4p clam, or if there's a better set for kokomi's personal damage
weapon: prototype
anybody did the calc by chance?

[amber olive]

Only other sets youll find are gonna be buffing dmg% like 4HoD, which kokomi gets more than enuf of there

So imo keeping clam is good, works in aoe unlike the upcoming healing set and koko maxes it several times during Q

+2pc hb converts to dmg% on her burst

Keep in mind im on a train rn so this is feelscrafting from me tho lol

[clear ivy]

I mean there's always 2pc hp 2pc hp

Whatever that's worth

[amber olive]

Idt its gonna make up for clam personally

if its all you got then fairs

I appreciate clam for being another source of dmg tho

Its effectively a transformative

[brittle aspen]

what's better for overall dmg on noelle on the fav noelle/furina/xq/yelan team, 4AP or 4MH? I thought the team calcs were using 4MH but 4AP is a thing

[amber olive]

For thst version specificslly, 4AP would give higher team dmg coz its buffing ur 3 off fielders who do a majority of the teams dmg compared to noelle

You can run 4MH for more noelle personal and youd clear fine but 4AP would b better assuming you have it

Fav already makes her do negative dmg so

[brittle aspen]

I strongboxed 4AP after realizing how nice it synergized on the team and was running optimizer for Noelle, so far I'm looking at ~20-25% lower Noelle personal dmg (both sets def/def/crit and keeping >50% CR on 4AP)

I've been torn between going 4AP and seeing if it was marginal due to DR on other dmg% buffs in the team, or staying on 4MH and going for a HB circlet to help with Furina stacks (C0)

[amber olive]

4AP is 35% dmg bonus immediately

Gonna do more than whatever extra gradual you get from furinas buff with hb circlet 4mh

[brittle aspen]

it's 35% elemental (hydro) dmg, not a 35% dmg bonus on top of existing dmg

so if I look at my Yelan (hp/hydro/crit) in the team, she does 44,839 per breakthrough barb w/o 4AP and then it goes up to 51,921 per barb (15.8% dmg) w/4AP

I was expecting yelan to be less dmg buff than that though, so I think it's definitely safe to say that 4AP is better since furina/xq will also see pretty similar results

and yeah your point of 4MH can clear fine definitely stands, that team's just bonkers broken, but gotta go maximum effort 🙂 I'm curious if 4AP fav noelle will hold firm as a build and find another elemental team driver (unfortunately most big off-field elemental dmg buffers outside of hydro like fischl/XL/beidou seem to snapshot, so it's a bit clunkier for first rotation on those)

[amber olive]

well yes that is how dmg bonus works, and the majority of the dmg in the team is from 3/4 hydro units

and uptime shouldnt be an issue even tho those 3 dont snapshot

coz noelle applies geo with every NA during her Q

so thats a free crystallise every single NA

should be no issues with uptime on the set

[brittle aspen]

I thought you were misunderstood because you said it was 35% dmg bonus immediately (meaning 35% dmg bonus > 25% lower dmg on Noelle, when it's obviously not just final dmg multiplier, whereas it's more like a ~15.8% + ~15.8% + ~15.8% on each of the 3 hydro chars). Still seems to napkin math out more, I underestimated how much 4AP would buff with my scenario (c6 yelan w/hydro gob) since people seem to love to clamor about, "too much dmg% hits DR"

[amber olive]

nono i just mean its instantly +35% hydro dmg bonus rather than a stacking effect like yelan A4 or furina Q

[wooden belfry]

i did the calcs eventually, yea, its hard to justify swapping out clam. even in single target, clam explosions outdamage all other artifact options i tested, assuming you hit 2 maxed out bubbles per rotation. in aoe the value increases further. i underestimated clam

i'll need to really whale kokomi so that her personal damage buffing from the other sets outdps the clam

[amber olive]

yeah and shes gonna get more than 2 maxed bubbles per rot

her Q state is 10s for starters and youre getting weaker clam procs throughout the rot too outside of Q

[brittle aspen]

does this look right for a noelle hydro rotation (w/c6 yelan)?

[wooden belfry]

heyo, this rotation builder looks awesome, can you please share where its from?

[wooden belfry]

as for the rotation itself, i'd recommend adding dash cancels in the noelle rotations

you can probably fit two N3D in this timeframe

or if you want N4, N4D N2, maybe N3 if it fits

[unkempt sandal]

https://genshin-rotation.com

[wooden belfry]

thank you

[amber olive]

I do like this site, wish it had buff uptimes as well as cds but oh well

[clever phoenix]

it has buff uptime and cd tho.

[amber olive]

It does?

Ik it has cds and uptime for stuff like oz

I couldnt find anything for mapping buffs/debuffs

[brittle aspen]

I haven’t figured out how to display buff uptime for weapons/artifacts yet, does it do that?

[amber olive]

dont think so which is y i was asking

id love to use the site to showcase some teams in an easy to read format for people

ig for simplicity its not 100% needed but would be nice to have the option for custom buffs if they were willing

idk who made the site so

[wooden belfry]

it shows VV

[wooden belfry]

it powercreeped my excel rotation builder

[amber olive]

[wooden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/scarlet-witch-avengers-endgame-you-took-everything-from-me-gif-14666660

[amber olive]

it does?

[wooden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-16323196

[wooden belfry]

mhm

[wooden belfry]

look at kaz

see the gray 10s?

[amber olive]

ahh

is that toggleable?

ik almost every kazu should be running vv but its not in his base kit lol

[wooden belfry]

it shows as soon as you "equip" VV on kazuha in the settings

[amber olive]

ill mess around a bit later then tyty

doing chev ER calcs rn

[wooden belfry]

@amber olive its really cool, they even added stuff like dash cancels

for example, i'm doing N3D here on koko, and as it should, its faster than N3

[amber olive]

sounds like i will be using it in future for some things

idk what their opinions are on using it for videos n stuff but doesnt hurt to ask for permission

[lofty wave]

dont do N it counts for it

[lofty wave]

also 1 thing i saw from experience

because the rotation thing doesnt have Burst swaps

Kokomi would be better off QE

since you get to snapshot the Burst on jelly aswell

actually

gimmie like

2-6 mins

ill optimize the heck out of that teams rotation

getting every nit pick

@amber olive can i get your Rotation?

[lofty wave]

@wooden belfry @amber olive

Long rotation

Short Rotation

[wooden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/kokomi-gif-23092872

[wooden belfry]

wait, 300 fanfare?

[lofty wave]

kokomi stacks it like with the first N3D

so majority of your damage is maxed

[wooden belfry]

in this team, i always finish the rot fully healed, so every rotation, you gain fanfare purely from furi [150 stacks by the end], and get constantly healed to full [another 150 stacks]. so your avarage is far lower than 300

[lofty wave]

i used ducks calc for it

furina solo with just a healer fully stacks fanfare at 9 seconds

[wooden belfry]

yelan and furina deal a fair bit of damage even before koko hits the field, this is not a hypercarry team

[wooden belfry]

since when?

have i missed new info on furi?

[lofty wave]

since beta

[wooden belfry]

so how much hp does she drain in 20s?

[lofty wave]

healing also gens stack

not just drain

[wooden belfry]

i know kat

[lofty wave]

like

[wooden belfry]

but how fast is the hp drain?

9s to drop 150% of total hp from the team doesn't sound right

in this rate, your team should be at 50% hp after 12s

in runs i did with a burst healer like charlotte or jean, i did not run out of hp after 12s

[lofty wave]

1 second ill redo my Stack count

but it shouldnt be any different

had a mistake on field time which messed with the Averages

@wooden belfry

here is the graph

this is the 18 second rotation

[wooden belfry]

[lofty wave]

Average buff on-field (sum of stacks each second while on-field divided by time on-field):
Kokomi : 214.8 stacks || DMG: 53.7 % || Healing Bonus: 21.48 %
Furina : 14.5 stacks || DMG: 3.62 % || Healing Bonus: 1.45 %
Yelan : 44.33 stacks || DMG: 11.08 % || Healing Bonus: 4.43 %
Kazuha : 66.5 stacks || DMG: 16.62 % || Healing Bonus: 6.65 %

imma go get some breakfast

then redo the calcs with the new averages

[wooden belfry]

keep in mind this is on-field average only, furi and yelan get to enjoy about 180~ stacks avarage even tho they are off field.

[lofty wave]

its fair to assume they get the same average as kokomi

[wooden belfry]

nope, this avarage is counted from the moment koko hit the field

the middle of the rotation

[lofty wave]

and the stacks are quite low

before kokomi hit the field

[wooden belfry]

but not zero

[jovial smelt]

you should have overall average on 18sec in the results

[lofty wave]

oh yeah i see it

148.39 stacks

[jovial smelt]

if your rota is 20sec long, you can do (148 x 18) / 20

[lofty wave]

its 18 seconds

[jovial smelt]

isn’t furina E cooldown 20 sec ?

[lofty wave]

you refresh kazuha before 2nd rotation

but the actual damage rotation

is 18 seconds

[wooden belfry]

i usually prefer ignoring the first few seconds of the rotation for the sake of the average, because the dps density there is far lower than the rest of the rotation
but that usually only raises the average by about 20~ more stacks at most

[jovial smelt]

timer 0 in the calc should be when furina burst start

if you have something else before, you can put negative numbers

hp will be lost, but stacks won’t be gained

[wooden belfry]

[lofty wave]

158.56 stacks || DMG: 39.64 % || Healing Bonus: 15.86 %

this is the longer rot

@wooden belfry

here is the graph for longer rotation btw

[wooden belfry]

i'm very happy with 63k dps for such a comfy team

[amber olive]

that looks a lot closer to what id expect yeah

altho the assumption of c1 yelan or sac is kinda 🤨

unless ur just looking at ur own team

id take a look myself trying to calc it but ive got ALOT of chevreuse work to do lol

150-160 ish sounds about right tho

i wouldve said a bit higher before the burst iframing stuff was discovered but idt ducks calculator even has that

so mayb im just overshooting slightly?

[lofty wave]

Yelan C0 is like about 1k dps loss

I was doing tc for me and yuvak mostly

Cuz we both own C1 yelan

[amber olive]

fairs

poor c0 mf out here

[amber olive]

nice to see actual tc in here even if its infrequent

[wooden belfry]

someone has to tc for the dolphins as well

nobody thinks about the dolphins

[amber olive]

i have some upcoming plans for stuff like that actually

kinda a personal project but will be working on that after chev stuff, so may not be doing much for next patch tc

[wooden belfry]

[lapis whale]

Yo can I have xiao sheets?

[jovial smelt]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pbpcRI0HtZWPHs1SIM_ULQRnPjkzgdMZmRk7W-G9fK0/edit#gid=889906633

[violet fox]

if you’re worried for er needs, yelan is ~180 with 1 e fully funnelled into furina (160 for her), and vice versa if no funnel . xq is even lower at like 160 himself with 1 e + funnel

[amber olive]

no im not worried about ER i was wondering y there was a 2nd E there in the first place

[violet fox]

ah

either way er needs aren’t bad at all for the whole team

[broken skiff]

Ok so I am planing to run a hybrid raiden - is staff of the scarlet sands much better than ballad of the fjords? ; Id run EOSF with Ballad and Gilded Dreams with Scarlet

[hard bay]

First time I've done anything on this server so I'm not sure if this is the right place/way to go about this, but uh...

If anyone with time to spare is interested, I'd be happy to get some opinions/review of a sheet I made to calc team DPS of Itto's mono geo comp at the investment standards outlined in the sheet (basically C0R1 Itto, impactful talents crowned, 20 average fixed & fluid subs). It's my own template so it might not be the most readable, but I can answer any questions. Right now I just feel like the numbers are somewhat inflated, even though I feel like some of my assumptions were on the more conservative side.

My thanks to anyone who checks it out (or not)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W7b40sdsxsW5_yDYjfjhr3cJYNgswLrPbtVfgJ0MMgY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[soft drift]

Looks quite neat

I think buff uptime is too generous

Rotation also prolly takes longer than 20s

Husk doesnt start at 4 stacks

In the sim buff uptime is alot less

[hard bay]

Starting with discussing husk uptime: it should at least maintain full uptime beyond the first rotation, correct? My assumption was to measure the first rotation starting only after keeping Itto off-field for a while, which AFAIK you can do in abyss for example by having Zhongli in team slot 1. In other words, the more rotations you follow through, the more DPS begins to approach what would be expected with full uptime on 4 stacks.

[hard bay]

I examined some more footage and it seems that when swapping as fast as possible between units (with a dash cancel for Zhongli's hold E and no more time spent on Albedo than is necessary to deploy his flower), 21s rotations at least should be consistently achievable.

[soft drift]

Ah it does remain at 4 stacks from 2nd rotation onwards

Gorou c6 buff uptime is much less in sim

Btw

[hard bay]

I updated my sheet after examining more footage of Itto rotations and think that the results should be accurate. The changes really only affect Itto himself. Team DPS now falls in the 61-62K range.

[gaunt sapphire]

Can anyone give simple example how dmg increase in this artifact works? And why is it so low? 8%*15k = 1200 dmg increase? Why so low when my character can deal hundred thousand.

[summer sigil]

1200 base dmg but yeah

Still not good

[vivid ember]

the damage from this artifact set is added onto your character's base talent damage, for example Hu Tao's Charge Attack has a 242% ATK scaling, so if she has 3000 attack or something the base damage is 7260
the 1200 is added to the 7260, then multiplied by DMG, CRIT, DEF, and RES to get the final number

[gaunt sapphire]

Is it work for HP based dmg too?

[vivid ember]

yeah, it adds on the same way

[gaunt sapphire]

I see.. Thank you

[lofty wave]

@amber olive im getting confused

im trying to use Kol's Calc template

and i dont understand how to input kokomi shit

i want to use sim but no furinge

[lofty wave]

nvm https://furina-simp.surge.sh/

you cant directly add furina in the team tab

just write the stats in

and when you run she will appear

[vapid wraith]

would the new geo set be best on ninggaung? I don't know how good the uptime would be

[clear ivy]

not quite sure about best but it should be pretty damn good , assuming you have a second geo that is reasonably helping in generating crystals

[jovial smelt]

Don’t you need to pick up the shard?

It’s very unreliable

[clear ivy]

ig yeah but there's also the option of using gorou, who'd give interrupt res and 20% CD
honestly MH is probably more appealing

assuming the hyper team is gonna be ning bennett furina geo (most likely zhongli)

[unkempt sandal]

probably will be the best option if you run navia ningguang

[winter steeple]

does lost prayer affect nahida blooms for bountiful cores?

or does it not work for transformative reactions

[echo timber]

Um....no

[jovial smelt]

Nope

[sand trout]

Here's a short pin with resources for those looking to learn Theorycrafting

KQM TCL - library with all things TC
https://library.keqingmains.com/

Calcs 101 - video introduction to TC calcs by Vlad
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUSVB89o-SXwAmRKDzuaTAq8dM0N9UMX1&si=yDVJQVCzYa1gZX9t

TCL entry on EGT - explains the ins and outs of the game's elemental system
https://library.keqingmains.com/combat-mechanics/elemental-effects/elemental-gauge-theory

Teyvat Theorycrafting Guide (WIP) - these are a series of mini guides that cover the basic mechanics of the game, a TC project being worked on at KQM.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xGhzklEMyC5wmWC4mnWPzD-hSlKONgpng_pNgMisL-M/edit

wfpsim - gscim extention by wfp with beta characters
https://wfpsim.com/

We also recommend using the k!template command in #・tc-bot-spam for access to sheet templates and tutorials on how to use them

[sand trout]

its the same as the last pin just added calcs 101 to it

[umbral echo]

Quick question (s),

1. in a raiden(c0),yelan,furina,jean team, should yelan still be on EOSF ? If not whats the best alternative ?

2. is festering still the BIS non 5* option for furina in this comp ? Feels like the ER is wasted tbh.

3. How does this team compare to other raiden teams ?

Any help would be appreciated

[echo timber]

1. Yes. It's still the best if you use yelan in other teams and she has fav, it helps to capitalize the amount of er she builds.
2. Yes, it still gives 32% dmg bonus to her skill and 12 cr lol. It's still valuable there
3. I don't know

[umbral echo]

@echo timber ic, thanks for the help.

oops sorry for the ping T.T

[echo timber]

np

[clear ivy]

for 3 it's not that great, f2p raidens don't appreciate damage% bonus as much as she does other things because of stuff like the catch etc (that's why attack sands are competitive if not better than electro% under certain circumstances), so you're kicking out bennett's buffs to stuff more damage% into her
the team's gonna do damage because any team with furina yelan jean is gonna do minimum 50k kqmc but like in the grand scheme of things it's not a great raiden team

[umbral echo]

Hmm, i see. Thats kinda unfortunate but yea, i can see why it wont be that great.

Thanks for the info tho

[fleet pawn]

What do you guys think about using C2 Furina as side healer (maiden beloved, healing hat etc.)?
C6 Faru, C6 Scara, C6 Bennett, C2 Furina - Bennett here is obviously not enough to since whole team is losing HP, I thought maybe Furina's passive combined with full healing build would somehow help with sustaining rest of the team as well as building fanfare quicker? I just don't know how big of a dmg loss it is overall for the team if Furina isn't dealing any dmg herself.

[unkempt sandal]

Healing build bennett might actually heal enough

[potent anvil]

not worth it

w/ c2 furina bennet will be more than fine for stack gen, especially since furina's healing is backloaded anyways and frontloading it would be the biggest thing

genuinely won't improve your buffing much to use a healer build

also outside of fanfare gen which is not an issue, the only downside to your other characters being low is lowering the personal damage on furina, and obviously going on a healer build would be worse anyways

[fleet pawn]

Makes sense, thank you

[amber olive]

Another point, healer furina wouldnt do shit in the first place. If shes on healer, shes not draining HP so theres nothing to heal, meaning no fanfare is generated. Ontop of that, youd have no particle gen and really struggle to get her burst back up

[small gate]

How good Is the buff from “ Song of Days Past” for HP characters like Neuvi ?

Because we have many options to buff ATK characters already,

[clear ivy]

honestly

it's not just the attack sets that make this set miserable

it's the fact that OHC exists

[small gate]

OHC Is good and all , but that just DMG from the heal not buff

[low shale]

a buff its just another form of dmg

and the new set buff increases your team dmg on a very similar amount to what the Clam set does

[clever phoenix]

the dpr it does barely the same with clam even on baizhu, which is not the best clam user. that with assumption, ur high crit dps is consuming the buff, if the support steal even 1 proc, its becoming way worst.

[wooden belfry]

and i cant think of a single team your support won't steal a hit

[lofty wave]

to explain it simply

if the buff doesnt generate more damage than what OHC does in pops its shit

it can be used if you are chasing Damage per screenshot

but its shit even then cuz neuvi slurps that shit

[low shale]

Nah, I dont think that will be a problem most of the time since you only get the buff 6 secs after the heal
Thats enough for most team to set their buffs and switch to their carry

[amber olive]

Even then its 5 hits, even when maxing it out its hardly gonna be useful

Clam also has the benefit of true aoe and acts as another transformative

The new set is just....

[clear ivy]

That's not even the worst part honestly for the new set, the worst part is that it scales inversely with the number of enemies

Even If clam added 30k dpr and like this set added 60k dpr (not real numbers, I'm making an example), clam would pull ahead starting from 3 enemies because averaged out the buff per enemy of the new set becomes 20k

Whereas clam stays the same

Like even in this hypothetical world where this set pulls ahead in ST it's still worse in AoE, now back to reality where clam is at the bare minimum slightly better dpr than this set and for most clam holders it stomps, this set becomes even more horrible

[small gate]

Thank you guys, I know that set Is bad but It Is refreshing to hear others opinions about It ❤️

[wooden belfry]

@lofty wave https://genshin-rotation.com/?team=neuvillette_E-furina_EQ-charlotte_EQ-kazuha_EQ-neuvillette_hCQhC2&neuvillette.constellation=0&neuvillette.weapon=tomeOfTheEternalFlow-1&neuvillette.artifacts=4pmarechausseeHunter&furina.constellation=0&furina.weapon=festeringDesire-5&furina.artifacts=4pgoldenTroupe&charlotte.constellation=4&charlotte.weapon=favoniusCodex-1&charlotte.artifacts=2poceanHuedClam,2pmaidenBeloved&kazuha.constellation=0&kazuha.artifacts=4pviridescentVenerer

this is the rotation I'm using rn

[lofty wave]

thank you

[wooden belfry]

c4 surprsingly carries me in terms of er req on charlotte

Some times I also use E after Q when I know I can just push to end the chamber

you can also go neuv E kaz E in the gcsim to see if its worth it to have VV active for furina's E

[brittle aspen]

what are the ER requirements for C6 yelan? I'm at 183% on 4EoSF but am gonna swap her to a 2pc/2pc combo of hp or hydro sets

I know it "depends on team", but she goes in so many teams, so just generalized requirement that people seem to aim for at c6

[amber olive]

Obviously gonna depend on your team but ill point you to the resident c6 yelan whale @sand trout

Id experiment a bit myself but its almost 2am sorry

[gloomy yoke]

150ish pretty comfy ime

[amber olive]

150 is generally what id aim for but may be able to go lower

[brittle aspen]

dang, only 12% dmg increase with 150 er req, would've gotten 22% dmg increase with 130 er

[gloomy yoke]

You can afford that if you have R5 Xiphos

[wooden belfry]

@sand trout knows

[echo timber]

I'm interested to know too tho 😭

I'm not c6 but i have aqua and i might consider c1 in the future but i don't know

[sand trout]

i always run her with a favonius xq and funnel everything to her and i can get away with 130-140 er

i dont see much reason to run c6 yelan in teams that don't provide her with a lot of energy

[copper ginkgo]

Is the neuvi furina team calc correct on gcsim? Looks too good tbh

[fallen jetty]

Which sim?

A lot of those teams don't have a healer and do not use furina healing mode, so they aren't that good on field

Like the zhong li version

As far as my experience goes at least

[copper ginkgo]

Neuvi doesn't really need a healer no?

[jovial smelt]

he doesn’t need one yeah

but having one is still preferable

[grizzled estuary]

How dmg work

Pls help

DMG is calculated as:

DMG

(
Σ
(
Base DMG
×
Base DMG Multiplier
)
+
Additive Base DMG Bonus
)
×
DMG Bonus Multiplier
×
DEF Multiplier
Target
×
RES Multiplier
Target
×
Amplifying Multiplier
{\displaystyle {\begin{aligned}{\text{DMG}}={}&{\big (}\Sigma ({\text{Base DMG}}\times {\text{Base DMG Multiplier}})+{\text{Additive Base DMG Bonus}}{\big )}\&\times {\text{DMG Bonus Multiplier}}\&\times {\text{DEF Multiplier}}{\text{Target}}\times {\text{RES Multiplier}}{\text{Target}}\&\times {\text{Amplifying Multiplier}}\end{aligned}}}

Need understand this

Also what is furina's dmg bonus counted as

[vivid ember]

That is, definitely some formatting of the dmg formula but looks correct

Base DMG is what is displayed in your character's talent, like Raiden's lvl 10 Q is 721% (of her ATK stat)

Base DMG multiplier is a bonus that some characters (notable Yoimiya, Wanderer and Wriothesly) have as part of a talent that multiplies the Base DMG, for example Yoimiya's lvl 10 E gives her a 161.7% Base DMG multiplier on her attacks

Additive Base DMG comes from effects like Yunjin, Shenhe, and Aggravate/Spread that act as bonus base damage for the character. This is separate from regular base damage so that the effects mentioned in the previous part don't buff them

DMG Bonus is every source of DMG% your character is given (either plain DMG%, Elemental DMG%, or Skill/Burst DMG%). These are added together in one category, not multiplied together

Def multiplier is an annoying stat, you can find the multiplier on the wiki but it's based on the difference between your level and the enemy's level. A level 90 character fighting a level 90 enemy has a 0.5x multiplier here (or a 50% damage loss)

Res multiplier is also annoying but simpler. This is affected by stuff like Viridescent Venerer and Deepwood and scales on enemy's base resistances that differ between elements

Amplifying multiplier is from Vaporise or Melt reactions, and multiplies everything at the end

Furina's damage bonus is part of the DMG bonus stage, as it is a Common DMG bonus

[amber olive]

Damn dmg formula discussion

A rare one

[grizzled estuary]

Oh i see thanks

Ig furina's are considered as additive base dmg?

Then crit dmg is total dmg x crit dmg?

[vivid ember]

Furina is Common DMG Bonus

[grizzled estuary]

My discord aint discording

[vivid ember]

And yeah that is crit dmg

[grizzled estuary]

I see thanks

I thought ca dmg bonus and elemental are different

My friend was saying like if 1000dmg then multiplied first by 15% hydro dmg bonus then 30% ca dmg bonus

[vivid ember]

No, they get added together to 45% first

[grizzled estuary]

I see

Thanks for the clarification

So shime is not superior

[vivid ember]

It's not as strong as it would be otherwise, but it is still pretty good if a character can use it

Though the main problem is the energy loss

[grizzled estuary]

Yeah

Well for hu tao id prefer overall dmg

Alot of ppl neglect the ult

Wait what stage is the vaporize dmg bonus in the cw set?

Is it also dmg bonus?

[vivid ember]

That's the amplifying multiplier

[grizzled estuary]

Oh yeh its below

Then crit dmg

Alright thanks

Wait what is bloom and hbloom considered as?

Is hbloom amplifying?

And bloom is additive? Sorry for so many questions lol

[vivid ember]

Bloom and hbloom have their own DMG category called transformative reactions, including burgeon, swirl, overload and shatter

These have a damage of reactionMulti * level Multiplier * EM Multiplier * RES multiplier

Reaction multi depends on the reaction, hyperbloom/burgeon are 3 and bloom is 2

Level multi is a weird number, but for level 90 characters it is 1446.85

EM Multiplier is like Def and has a dumb formula, but it is your EM stat multiplied by other numbers to mean that EM becomes less valuable the more you have

[grizzled estuary]

Uhm for the crit dmg reactions what is EM considered?

[vivid ember]

The amplifying reactions have a weird EM Multiplier like transformative reactions do

[grizzled estuary]

So thas why flop set is better in terms of dmg than gilded

[vivid ember]

Yeah

[grizzled estuary]

Ye diminishing returns

[vivid ember]

Flop adds directly to your EM Multiplier, while Gilded is worth less

[grizzled estuary]

For this is EM considered amplifying multiplier?

[vivid ember]

The amplifying multiplier for reverse vape with Tao is 1.5 x EM Multi

Which is where EM counts

[grizzled estuary]

Oh i see thanks

[vivid ember]

The CW Vape bonus also adds the same way

[grizzled estuary]

So it multiplies the amp multiplier

[vivid ember]

Yeah

[grizzled estuary]

Tqtq

Tyvm

[vivid ember]

[edgy drum]

@gaunt canyon my three moments are up and so is my lunch break
i haven't finished the sheet yet and it's not perfect, but this is what i've been able to get done in that time
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LykiJ3EGnVbJcHol6Fy5Cqy4Kh1uzHVlhSMLY4X-u80/edit?usp=sharing

[covert current]

Hi, is there no Xianyun tc channel?

[torn ginkgo]

It’s too early, usually new channels for unreleased characters are opened when the beta starts.

[jovial smelt]

#1186719067248275546

wait, could it be that the guy who created it forgot to put permission

can you access the channel that I linked?

[small gate]

No

[clear ivy]

We asked and they said they want to wait on ambr

Even tho we literally have all the footage needed to tc

It is what it is

[jovial smelt]

yeah I just asked and they wait for beta and ambr to be up

it should happen today anyway so it's fine

[lost silo]

guys is it likely that Skyward Pride r4 is better than Sacr5 or event weapon for Navia?

[sand trout]

it is better

[lost silo]

did u run calcs by any chance

[sand trout]

yes

it will be released with the navia faq soon

[lost silo]

gucci

[pine ivy]

are there any rumors on Chiori's kit?

[sand trout]

hi, please read the channel description before posting

[amber laurel]

oh okay! my apologies, i thought that area was leaks-free

sorry :)

[jagged swift]

Sorry if this is not the right place to ask but could anyone tell me how good (or bad) would Navia's weapon be on Diluc?

I want Mistsplitter but in case I don't pull it I'd have some use for the axe (I think other than a crit stick it'd be bad on Itto?)

[clear ivy]

Buffs based on what element is crystalized, nothing worth tcing so far

[clear ivy]

It's shouldve been decent statstick but the passive is locked behind putting him on some of his worst teams

[jagged swift]

Thanks. My team is Luc, Benny, XQ, ZL because I have him on SS so I guess replacing ZL for Albedo if I pull the axe wouldn't be much of an improvement then?

Even with Albedo's Q EM buff

[clear ivy]

If you're looking for improving your diluc team you wouldn't be playing either zhongli or albedo here tbh

But if it's a passion thing about wanting to run diluc and albedo i guess you can use it? Idk if it's gonna be bis even then (i need to take a look at it) but at least it should be strong

[jagged swift]

Ty again! Guess I'll wait for some more tests before I try my luck then. Albedo would be a way to make the weapon's passive work in case I pulled it but I don't mind not having him on the team

[pine ivy]

Nah def not. Thanks!

[lost silo]

@sand trout is navia faq going to be a new channel

[sand trout]

it will be posted in #・faq as will all faqs

[copper cliff]

What is ga mings best artifact? Or is it still too early

[low shale]

4MH, 4Vermilion or 4CW I think

[copper cliff]

Thank you

[shrewd flower]

elo

where can i find chevrolete's weapon chart ?

[shrewd flower]

why cant i post in chevy tc

[clever phoenix]

this server is more into pre-release. channel locked after release. kqm will handle them

[unkempt sandal]

chevreuse isn’t out yet though

[nova escarp]

I think this should be in Xianyun channel but I want ask some opinions because I was thinking of gambling on the TP and EL banner to get TP or EL for Yoimiya and Raiden but XIanyun is on the horizon. I am asking if, with the initial calculations, do you think Xianyun looks good on the initial calcs or she will be worth it to pull than the vertical investment for Yoimiya and Raiden?

[night orchid]

it is very early and there will likely be changes so not really that much to go off, but xianyun is looking pretty strong so far

best to wait until the last minute

[dusk fern]

Isn't she just a support for Xiao?

Tbh idk 😂

How good is she looking so far?

[night orchid]

she lets everyone jump

[low shale]

no

[copper cliff]

I cant send message in navia tc

Just going to ask. Is it better to put atk% than def% on her?

[tidal stag]

yes

[copper cliff]

Bf got navia and I'm looking at guides and none of them recommend def

[tidal stag]

i believe she only scales atk

[copper cliff]

Huh interesting

Thank you

[low shale]

[copper cliff]

Is the protype claymore good for navia?

From mondstadt

[echo timber]

Meh

Use sac with refines or the new event claymore

[copper cliff]

Alright

Thank you

[sand trout]

@copper cliff for basic questions like this the faq has you covered already

[copper cliff]

Ohh alright

[sand trout]

also genshin help is more suited if you would rather do that

as is stated in this channels description

[cloud kindle]

Hey can i ask which is the best yoimiya team right now?

[jovial smelt]

Yoimiya is one of those character where the team who has the most theorytical dps is a team without interuption resistance, which can be very bad in practice

@cloud kindle

[cloud kindle]

Which is that team?

[native trench]

Probably Yoimiya Yelan Bennett Kazuha

[clear ivy]

or yoimiya furina yelan bennett/kazuha

[ancient mirage]

Is there anyone who can help me find a proper rotation for a navia team? I’m been trying but I’m still hammering out some details

[worn salmon]

What's the top 3 teams of the game? disregarding the abyss advantages, Just imagine ALL the teams fighting against a single Boss and later against a lot of enemies, who is The top 3 team?

[feral isle]

Probably want to take this to tc-lounge, that's more the place for general discussion

[bronze monolith]

What team

[vivid ember]

was looking at the navia mastersheet and saw 170% ER req used a lot, is there any ERC imaged with this? because that is extremely high

[jovial smelt]

it’s basically when zhongli miss pillar and 2nd rot+, not sure if it was with 1 fav or not

[vivid ember]

if i do it with miss pillar its still 160%

and apparently that does have a fav

[sand trout]

how long is your rotation

[vivid ember]

thats on 22s

[sand trout]

yea lmao no

that team hits 16.5s on first rot

normalises to 18s after 4 rots

theres your problem

[sand trout]

now you added fav ok

[vivid ember]

yeah

because it assumes fav

[sand trout]

aint this 0.5

[vivid ember]

hm okay

that goes to 164%

also, in first rotation arent you using 3e?

which would lower the ER req more

[sand trout]

and you are not on safe particles

[vivid ember]

and how are you doing 16s rots with 2e

[sand trout]

no.

[vivid ember]

thats less than 2e cooldown

[sand trout]

2charges work like that

hence

[sand trout]

.

and its 2 e per rot

literally on the next rots you just wait for e a bit more

[vivid ember]

...you wait for e a bit more

okay

[sand trout]

and again dont forget you are on average particles

we did safe

fischl particles change

[vivid ember]

so its basically a worst case scenario

[sand trout]

well yes

thats how you calc if you want it to be reliable

outside that just test ingame and find what works for you for the content you want to use her in

[vivid ember]

im c2r1 so it doesnt really matter to me the specifics, but most people are getting away in the 120-130% range at worst

so its just very extreme

[sand trout]

with reliable particles and fav it is not hard to hit that yes

[vivid ember]

a much more reasonable estimate then

[sand trout]

but zhong pillar is anything but reliable and navia also loses very little damage from building er honestly

if chiori is a geo turret this will need revising for her obviously but in general her er reqs are very clear in our er section

[vivid ember]

i think it would good to include an ERC with your calcs

then people can actually see where you got it from

[sand trout]

we got it from erc what do you mean

[vivid ember]

theres no image of it though

you just say its 170% ER req

but there should be an image of the erc with it

especially on safe very low particle assumptions

rather than standard

[low shale]

do they assume worst case scenario for Navia?

[vivid ember]

that's my one, but they are yes

though thats not a calc i'd be using generally

[jovial smelt]

tbh I also disagree with them

but it is what it is

I would recommand anyone playing this team to go for around 130-140% er

[vivid ember]

yeah, i just want proof of the ER req with assumptions if you are claiming it to be that high

[brittle aspen]

has anyone looked at Song of Days Past (new healing set) for baizhu teams (keqing/cyno) versus running 4 clam?

[ancient mirage]

Navia Yae Albedo Bennet feel like everyone should have proper er but I’m not ulting wit Benny properly

Also wanted to ask if crystallize shards get massively stronger at lvl 90 some other reactions

[vivid ember]

the graph looks like that for 1-90

so it wouldnt be as huge of an increase as transformatives

lvl 80 > 90

and lvl 1 > 90

[ancient mirage]

Gotcha thank you!

[bronze monolith]

Yae?

[ancient mirage]

Yea

[bronze monolith]

Why not fischl or xl?

[ancient mirage]

Like her more aoe centered and she’s built more than fischl and XL

[broken skiff]

I’m stuck on what aggravte teams are best - i have access to c0 yae, c2 raiden, c6 fischl, c6 beidou, c6 Sara, c0 kaz and c0 venti but i just dont know which ones to use?????

[pallid hedge]

Pull Nahida

[clear ivy]

i run raiden, sara , nahida (or dmc / kiarara / yaoyao works) , kazuha for aggravate

it's kinda competitive with C2 raiden hyper at nahida C0

but the problem is no healer

[pine ivy]

Is there a reason why no Xianyun or Gaming channels yet?

[low shale]

#1186719067248275546 #1186719243438399559

[pine ivy]

oh damn. missed those. thanks.

[cloud kindle]

Are they going to add artifacts presets on 4.4?

I saw a video right now from beta but i don't understand it can someone confirm with me?

https://x.com/dailyofgenshin1/status/1739432035486249438?s=20

I mean it looks like it but i don't know if it's really presets

[grizzled estuary]

https://vxtwitter.com/dailyofgenshin1/status/1739432035486249438?s=20

thas fuckin cool dude

[low shale]

Not exactly pre-sets like people were expecting, but i still think its gonna be good

[small gate]

They did everything that not actually “ Loudout “

Who made this UI Is joking

[grizzled estuary]

i dont trust this

im gonna check in with genshin optimizer before i start using this

[small gate]

What we ask for ages Is very simple

[low shale]

I think this is not supposed to replace optimizer

[grizzled estuary]

[grizzled estuary]

literally

[small gate]

And no actually point to use It either

[low shale]

nah, I think its gonna be decently useful

[grizzled estuary]

speaking of albedo this shit is still fucked

why is his skill half defense and his burst is not

[low shale]

since I think it saves the settings you use on a given character

C2 bait

[grizzled estuary]

well atleast his event weapon is also on skill so ig

gt ig

[low shale]

and you can still change from what he recommends

[grizzled estuary]

maybe loadouts wont work

since

what if the artifact gets deleted

idk they prolly havent thought of the idea yet so they havent tested it

or maybe they testing it already and it has tons of bugs

like it just brings out the same artifact u foddered to smth else

[low shale]

thats a really innocent assumptions
to make these types of systems, they definetely storyboard various different ideas and go with the one they think will be the best

[grizzled estuary]

oh yeah

[small gate]

Still no point for It

[low shale]

I think the way they implemented its still gonna be useful

[small gate]

If you want to play with different playstyle then this system make It more time

It In not helpful for now

[low shale]

full loadouts would have the problem that you would be constantly changing it as you got better artifacts

maybe they think it wouldnt be useful for newer-ish players

[small gate]

I don’t see this problem In any game

[fallen jetty]

I mean, genshin does have a much higher rate of equipment changes when you are starting

[small gate]

That’s the point of loudout, It make you change what you want fast and save It

[low shale]

i still think this system will make you equip your stuff relatively quick

and it adapts better to you getting new artifacts

[small gate]

Sadly

One for each character

[grizzled estuary]

its something

[small gate]

[low shale]

okay cool, it saves at least

[pearl kiln]

maybe it's one step at a time

i don't know how well will they listen to our feedback but we can still let them know we want presets

[summer sigil]

Is it fully custom?

Like i can set any 5 pieces i want for Y character and the game saves that as the loadout for Y character?

[low shale]

no

its "kinda" like Genshin Optimizer

you save the setup, and the game will select the best set that matches it

[summer sigil]

💀

bruh

[low shale]

but you can also change pieces after it does that

https://vxtwitter.com/dailyofgenshin1/status/1739432035486249438?s=20
here

[summer sigil]

Ty

[summer brook]

Does anyone know if plunge attacks charge Eulas Burst?

[echo timber]

I think it does?

[gloomy yoke]

They don't

[echo timber]

😭

[sterile oriole]

easy way to find out:

No plunge or charged attacks

[pine ivy]

It stilla step in the right direction. But yeah would prefer 2 at least.

[silver iron]

send the simplified config here @wintry tide

[wintry tide]

Well

https://wfpsim.com/sh/a60fa570-4cf3-4241-8e49-4dd5ead2159f

[wintry tide]

Any thoughts on this?

[silver iron]

[wintry tide]

I had been curious about this team for a while but got unexpectedly good results

[low shale]

damn

[clear spear]

shieldless lyney tho

despairge

[low shale]

how many CAs is this btw?

[jovial smelt]

it’s with 4CA and perfect frame, because if you are late by a second on your combo, you lose bennett buff and other things so dps drop to 82-83k iirc

[low shale]

[jovial smelt]

So I think it’s safer to say that this team sheet at 83k (which is already very insane), though it might not be easy to play it because no interuption resistance

[low shale]

its this Lyney best non-shield team?

hey, at least its better than shielder-less with XL

[low shale]

can you do just 3 CAs?

[wintry tide]

https://wfpsim.com/sh/ddb5e0b5-33cc-49ba-b403-9fe35944a68c

This is with random 2-6f delays between actions

without adjusting the rot

[silver iron]

you mean if you can, or if i can sim it?

[silver iron]

oh, lol

[silver iron]

@low shale the link

and if your question is if you can, then yeah. the dps would be really high anyways

[low shale]

I think I did something wrong

[silver iron]

[low shale]

wait, how are you doing 2 Lyney Es?

[silver iron]

if it's energy related, you can give the team a lot more energy to fix that

and figure out energy needs later

[wintry tide]

that's the burst cancel

[low shale]

oh, okay

[wintry tide]

yeye

[silver iron]

change this value from 1 to 1000

[low shale]

than this is 3CAs

[silver iron]

so you don't have to be changing stats all the time

[low shale]

damn, thats pretty good then

[wintry tide]

3 CA is tricky cause if you don't add frame delays, bennett's probably gonna stall weirdly

And the ER would have to be adjusted

[silver iron]

it should be really good

[low shale]

its his new best shielderless team probably?

[silver iron]

i mean... st with overload

but in terms of dps, i think it is

[low shale]

fair

[silver iron]

st dps

and assuming this ages well

[summer brook]

If I get 99 rune crafting it is going on my resume lol

[lofty wave]

@sand trout is new healing artifact implemented into the sim

[lofty wave]

is this basically just telling it you have max energy every rot?

[sand trout]

afaik yeah

[silver iron]

basically. there is a mode you can use to ignore energy needs with bursts, but this has a similar result

[lofty wave]

Ic

[clever sluice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1meL9l4LKvw&ab_channel=Cerzeroth

Moving the discussion here, as i was asked to: c0 xiao 9 stars abyss with NO FARUZAN and bad gameplay and still worked @strange torrent

Team: Jean c0, xiao c0 with pwjs, bennet c5, furina c0, jean build is really bad cuz i took many pc for xianyun pre built

team2: everything c0 but kiki who is c2 or 3 , nahida has lost prayer but that is worse in this team and i didnt even change her on-field crit build to em build for alhaim, didn't use xq either cuz who care is a xiao show case

[clear spear]

only shows chamber 3, xiao's half is over 90 seconds

still does 9* abyss so ig you were right

[clever sluice]

i didnt think it was needed so i dint record it but as soon as hoyolab i will upload the pic

[clever sluice]

that was the point i did it with no optimal build and gameplay

[clear spear]

i dont doubt the 9* clear, the worrying part is the cleartime being over 90 seconds

and you cant see what it was on the other chambers

[clever sluice]

i get it but time wast the discution , would do a better showcase if it was

[clever sluice]

ok next time will record the whole run

didnt think was need cuz other chamber were easy

[clear spear]

nah you dont really need to

[clever sluice]

the only reason chamber 3 is a problem is cuz pyro shields

[clear spear]

you already p`roved your point

lol

im also surprised he doesnt need faruzan to clear

[clever sluice]

it just updated @strange torrent