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[clear ivy]

yeah i overlooked some stuff on that C2

[amber olive]

i didnt factor in the ATK scaling part of the NA/CAs tho but without PJC its not gonna add much at all lol

[clear ivy]

i was comparing to neuvillette's MVs

but that guy at least benefits from his own weapon and set

[amber olive]

hmhm

and he benefits off furina greatly

god the average stack count on him is gonna be insanely higher than average once i get specifics

kokomi mono hydro is looking like 150 average fanfare generally

[clear ivy]

all i heard so far earlier this morning after we learned the CA cancels is "god i tced this but it looks wrong" from how good the numbers seem to be

[amber olive]

yeah the CA cancels can shorten rots by 3-4 seconds

even if done poorly

which, since neuvi still wants to do 24s rots

gives you time to do some skills on other chars

or fit in that furina C2 lmfao

as it stands rn tho im most likely not pulling for cons

which is y i pulled neuvi despite my artifacts for him being dogshit rn

[clear ivy]

i mean, reruns are always around

[amber olive]

hmhm

i was gonna pick neuvi up on rerun but will most likely be furina cons instead

always nice to have a new char to play with

[clear ivy]

i can't say i have that patience becuase i already got his C1 and gonna get fuurina C1R1 by 4.6

[amber olive]

[clear ivy]

if i get her by 4.2 all the better

[echo timber]

Real

[clear ivy]

honestly, i'm still wondering why we exactly need 24s rots on neuvi

[amber olive]

if i wanted to include C1 and just change the fanfare stacks to 300 average

its about +122k without the guest hits

[clear ivy]

oooh

that's goodge

[amber olive]

i could possibly get that a bit higher my reallocating substats

but its already 18 rolls into crit so

150% ER reqs, festering desire, only team buffs are hydro resonance and fanfare

[clear ivy]

no vV?

[echo timber]

[amber olive]

nope

just raw numbers for now

dont want to add too many team buffs to early weapon calcs

just seeing what she can do under certain conditions

and its already impressive

[clear ivy]

yeah, but i feel it's not giving an exact idea of c2 if it's just raw numbers

unless you're talking about something else and i confused something

[amber olive]

none of this is giving an exact idea of her kit lmfao

we dont even have accurate intervals

[clear ivy]

true

we don't know the window for that DPR

[amber olive]

just sticking with 7 hits of each guest for now because its a middle ground between the two possible intervals we were given

[amber olive]

my calcs are in 21 seconds so under these assumptions im pretty happy with per performance

[clear ivy]

eeh

it's still a c2

but then again, nobody said that archons c2 have to be busted

[amber olive]

oh im not happy with c2 i meant her base kit

c2 as ive been saying its hit or miss for me rn

[clear ivy]

oh yeah i'm absolutely estatic about her base kit

[amber olive]

its not my favourite

mayb some changes idk, but just making her an onfielder at c2 would feel weird to me

beta starts tomorrow morning

[clear ivy]

i really like this dynamic of bringing an off fielder to shine for a few second

[amber olive]

i do but you sacrifice other parts of her kit to do it

😔

[clear ivy]

yeah

hope they can polish it

[amber olive]

if it was skill damage

id be a lot happier

or if her guests kept attacking

[clear ivy]

and honestly

[amber olive]

coz the act of changing alignments, doing C2 shit, changing back is awkward on a 4 hit combo with 7 attacks

Q E N1C N4C would be ideal unless you did a CA before starting

but shes definitely not gonna be able to cancel N4 into a CA

[clear ivy]

yeah that's what i was thinking

N1C into combo

[amber olive]

so ig smth like N1C N3C N1C
the last CA doesnt get the buff but it resets you back to the attacking guests ready for off field again

[clear ivy]

let the animals proc , lose 15% hp mv but get like a lot more in return

[clear ivy]

that won't work

becuase you start osuia which we love on her E

[amber olive]

ahhh

N4D then mb lol

[clear ivy]

so N1C (P) N3C (O) N1C (P)

[amber olive]

N4D N2C ig

wait now im just counting wrong

[clear ivy]

i'm thinking N1C N2D N2C or something like that

[amber olive]

yeah N1C N4D N1C

[clear ivy]

or that too

[amber olive]

doesnt rly matter in the end

not like the NA ATK scaling part is doing significant dmg

as long as you cycle back to ousia in the end

[clear ivy]

yeah that's the critical part

let the animals use up their shots, hit with pneumia while they're on CD

and come back to ousia before they shoot again

[amber olive]

lets hope her FT for that is short enuf to not miss too many

[clear ivy]

she won't miss the big two

they hit like every 4-5s from what we know ( even if inaccurate)

it's the little horse that's gonna lose one or two hits

[amber olive]

hmhm

im worried for the middle one

as its anywhere between 3s to 3.75 rn

most likely 3.5s which would be fine

but if its 3s it could be iffy

depends on skill tissue

[clear ivy]

honestly

i'm fairly optimisitc on her NA combo chain

they could surprise us with the cancels like neuvi

it's not like they're too blind to the rotation windows

[amber olive]

considering how fast lynettes is id be happy if its similar to that

[clear ivy]

they probably gave neuvi that cancel because most people who don't optimize will instinctively do CA CA CA

and well, in a jade rotation that would probably maintain VV uptime

because people will do E Q swap kazuha E Q

[amber olive]

Hmhm

3CAs with the cancel now can fit in a full VV window

So that opens up options

[clear ivy]

depending on her particle generation honestly i would even justify 18s rotations x)

like if it's more than we anticipated, with kazuha r5 xiphos and favge furina

that could probably work

but that's too much feelscrafting, i'm gonna wait for the beta and eventually me getting my hands on the character to justify this hypothesis

[amber olive]

hmhm

1 E neuvi rotations are weird in general tho

his orb priority is kinda fucked right now

generally it prioritises oldest

until they get to a certain age where they just

forget

[clear ivy]

oh that's risky

assuming E orbs spawn at second 0
Q orbs spawn at second 2
first CA happens at second 7 (or even 8)
second CA happens at second 10
third CA happens at second 13

that makes it a fairly tight sequence to execute

[amber olive]

mhm

that and rotations that open with Q are rly dodgy

[clear ivy]

yeah it's either risking the orbs going or starting with Q and lose prefunnel time

[amber olive]

hmhm

[clear ivy]

this is honestly interesting, i want to see if i can pin down how the priority change happens

and starting from what second

[amber olive]

generally ive been opening with EQ > setup > reset VV coz EC aura > neuvi 3CAs with an E in the middle to make sure i dont miss any + 2Es helps ER a lot

[ebon mountain]

have you considered another CA due to how fast they cast in practice now or just shorter rotation overall

[amber olive]

4CA rots are goodge, this is just a 3CA one

if i wanted a 4CA rot id rearrange it to smth like 2CA > refresh buffs like Oz, Kazuha etc > 2CA

weapons like 4 jade would benefit more from this

as 4CA doesnt fit the 10s window needed

[ebon mountain]

Im not sure how much adding an extra CA will help with er

[amber olive]

and neither does VV

[amber olive]

the extra CA isnt going to

but you push for 2 Es anyways

its gonna keep you onfield for a bit longer

but like

his ER isnt high to begin with

relatively reasonable unless you chose to do 1E with no fischl or smth

• pamber and sig give him energy

[ebon mountain]

I kind haven't scrolled but wouldn't furina E still be running for some ER in those extra 3 seconds
or this conversation has nothing to do with furina

[amber olive]

ah i thought we were just talking neuvi in general

[amber olive]

this was about my taser teams

not with furina

[ebon mountain]

[ebon mountain]

for c2 furina I tried cooking something with optimizer which is probably 99% wrong but the different between using pneuma and ousia came out about the same ? it felt like pretty much the damage lost by minions was made up with the extra 15% and vise versa

[amber olive]

yeah that was my worry for something like this

it just wouldnt be significant enough for her to really WANT the field time

if that makes sense

idk its pretty weirdly designed to me

[ebon mountain]

I think it might if she hops in for a solid 5 seconds max assuming sword attack strings are generally not slow but also with the idea of having the ability to add more stacks rather than using it for mainly damage so used before Q rather than after

[amber olive]

if 7 attacks took her 5 seconds then

im going off the premise that this takes like 2 or 3

its 7 hits

[ebon mountain]

I mean its we are low balling its probably melee so most likely affected by hitlag so like 3+ ?

[amber olive]

even considering hitlag i doubt its taking her to 5 seconds of field time personally

if it is then damn its even more than i feel it is rn

[ebon mountain]

so far Im thinking neutral of it until further confirmation if anything it looks more of a bait on paper rather than something useful

[amber olive]

hmhm

generally hit or miss to me is more accurate than straight up

i like the idea but

i wish it was at least skill damage 😔

so itd then benefit from some of the 70% of off field or at a minimum, straight up 45% dmg bonus

[ebon mountain]

maybe it is skill damage

[amber olive]

it would specify if it was

they just say hydro infusion with extra HP MV

[ebon mountain]

I mean the way c6 is worded for example doesn't it mean triple stacks rather than double

but right

[amber olive]

itd say 100% if it was only double stacks

also charlotte c6 in the same patch specifies the source being her burst

thank you charlotte for being very specific with how your stuff works

🙏

EXCEPT ON HER Q NOT SPECIFYING A DURATION????

[clear ivy]

yeah they're a bit..vague

[amber olive]

they were like this on nahidas OW passive too tbf

[clear ivy]

true

[cerulean wasp]

x-ray photos /j

[uncut jasper]

if sacraficial jade, should one even tryna get 4p MH for neuvi? it overcrit very easily bc of 36% cr

feels like 4p blizzard with jade cutter ayaka

[amber olive]

its easy to overcrit sure but the set is still best on him by a large mile

72CV and 15% DMG Bonus

nothing to scoff at lol

[uncut jasper]

i see so i just have to avoid cr substats as much as possible and ideally 30+ cdmd substats on every piece

[amber olive]

unfortunately yeah lol

ER till requirement
CR (capping at 100%) CDMG HP

HP goes very hard in subs coz of the lack of HP buffers

[clear ivy]

you should, but then you can build up to 22% crit rate, HP% becomes about as valuable of a roll naturally because of that

[uncut jasper]

whats his er requirement with fischl kazuha and beidou/ mona?

[amber olive]

from the FAQ

feel free to use the ERC if youd like specifics tho

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4/copy

[clear ivy]

2 hydro w fischl is definitely gonna be like 0%

[amber olive]

its not much at all

would very much be on the lower end of things

[uncut jasper]

i see, should my kazuha hold r5 xiphos or freedom in neuvi team?

if xiphos, idt I need to care about er req anymore lmao

[clear ivy]

if you're feeling good about your artifact pieces for now but they lack ER you can make do with xiphos

until furina comes at least

[uncut jasper]

but freedom sworn is more dmg normally?

[clear ivy]

yes

[uncut jasper]

when furina is the team, only fischl makes use of the atk buff

[amber olive]

just a quick calc, not sure on your rotation at all

[uncut jasper]

thanks, I never used the er calc so it helped a lot

[clear ivy]

yeah but CA buffs

[amber olive]

np keep in mind it could be different based on rotation order/length so its nice to go a lil bit above at times

[jovial smelt]

I think 2nd Kazuha E should feed neuvillette

and not sure about 25s rotation

maybe if you include perfect animation cancel it might work

and first kazuha E could be a hold one

[amber olive]

again i just did it pretty quickly and went for 25s just coz itd make ER reqs slightly higher than what they would probably be for skill tissue players

technically 21s is possible for this team with 3 CAs but its worth extending to 24/25 for 2nd neuvi E, fischl oz, extra skills on supports etc

regardless the team wouldnt need much er at all is the point

[amber olive]

if you want me to make it longer / feed neuvi the tap E

its not massively different

[jovial smelt]

I haven’t looked too much into beidou double electro team so I’m not sure about exact rotation time and rotation

I believe the team doesn’t work well tbh

[amber olive]

i like it a lot personally

[uncut jasper]

@jovial smelt do u have the wrio calcs? i cant look it up anymore bc his tc room is closed

[amber olive]

altho zhongli is pretty competitive there regardless over beidou for res shred

but you lose out on electro resonance

so ER would be a bit higher

[jovial smelt]

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1-HxfgblwLbPHqc8lrJ77hCPXMHaFWykO?sort=13&direction=a You should find all my finished calcs here

[uncut jasper]

if c1 neuvi wouldnt beidou be better always

[jovial smelt]

Not really higher

[amber olive]

have you considered joining staffge?

[jovial smelt]

I got 130%

but assuming pillar doesn’t get destroyed too fast

[amber olive]

mhm the teams are pretty gud on ER regardless

even then ZL can run favge as well

[amber olive]

not necessarily

20% RES Shred on ZL goes hard even with VV

• AP gives 35% DMG Bonus

[uncut jasper]

omg that was the reason i pulled for his c1, now i feel scammed

[amber olive]

beidou excels in 2T

[uncut jasper]

his ir doesnt do much when having zhongli in the team

[amber olive]

with C1 you could replace her with someone more offensive like yae as well

[jovial smelt]

C1 is good with furina, so dont worry

[amber olive]

^^

also the option for stuff like
neuvi/raiden/nahida/flex

[uncut jasper]

i have nahida c2 so maybe ye

but i have like 3 hyperblooms team already

[amber olive]

neuvi/furina/nahida/raiden with cons was looking

ridiculous

[amber olive]

[amber olive]

but yeah duckfero the offers there if youd wanna consider it, i appreciate the stuff youve been doing in public channels so far

[uncut jasper]

ikr hes always one of the first one to do the calcs

[amber olive]

few people doing pre tc calcs that actually state assumptions so its very nice to see compared to the general stuff i see happen in some of the char tc channels

[jovial smelt]

I would love to, but what are the requirement and obligation by joining staff?

For example if it’s mandatory to use a certain template for calcs etc

[amber olive]

theres no being forced to do stuff if you dont want to, dont like a char? dont have to tc them
we're pretty lax on requirements as well, if ppl have the drive to learn, we're happy to teach. considering you already have gud TC knowledge tho i dont see any reason youd be denied

[amber olive]

i use my own template as well dw

if ur interested, apps are open 24/7
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[jovial smelt]

Ah that’s nice

[amber olive]

why does it embed like that

oh well

lol

[jovial smelt]

Alright, I will keep the form on the side and complete it tomorrow because I need to sleep now, I have to wake up in less than 5hours

[amber olive]

xD

i should be in bed too tbh lol

have a gud rest

[uncut jasper]

are yall in eu?

[amber olive]

UK yeah

1am

[uncut jasper]

same in germany its 2am

[amber olive]

[wraith crypt]

Dual carry revival real?

T0 dendro core level?

[amber olive]

wait y tf did i write yae i meant to put nahida

it was literally a convo about nahida

[wraith crypt]

That makes significantly more sense

[amber olive]

c1 neuvi
c1 furina
c2 nahida
hyperbloom raiden

you can see where this is going

cant wait for actual furina frames to get some more accurate results from this lol

[uncut jasper]

the real archons only team

[amber olive]

[uncut jasper]

is neuvi the closest to have archon design bc his hair glows at c1

[amber olive]

Put nahida on pamber to frontload even more fanfare stacks too lol

[uncut jasper]

idt anyone other than him and archons do that

[amber olive]

I thought that was after Q? does c1 do that too?

[uncut jasper]

ye iirc

[amber olive]

Haven't rly been paying much attention to that ngl

[uncut jasper]

miko shouldve done that too

[tranquil burrow]

Fischl C6 seems to not work with Neu...

sadge

[dire mica]

It only works with normal attacks so yeah

[tropic needle]

Does Albedo pair up well with Neuvy?

Crystal shields plus free reaction plus off field dmg with no geo res needed

[pseudo kelp]

If only I could afford nuev

Don’t you need a healer tho lmao

[tepid crest]

with one E usage + proto amber for Baizhu, how much ER do i need?

[jovial smelt]

You should be fine with 200%

[tepid crest]

damn even w/o a 2nd dendro?

[jovial smelt]

yeah

[tepid crest]

is it assuming i use E on CD or not really?

[jovial smelt]

I got 212% on Er calc with proto amber, 1 E in 26s rota

no fav in team

[tepid crest]

i see !! omg thank u!!

i thought id need to go higher

[jovial smelt]

in neuvi team with furina

[amber olive]

Not rly, pamber frontloads stacks whilst neuvis massive hp changes give a great average fanfare

And hyperblooms are great dmg separate from that

[hexed widget]

does anyone know if you can delete a char from showing up on the akasha list

sorry for slightly off topic

just dont know where else to ask

[versed sand]

what's the best artifact for neuvilette?

4pc wanderer or 4pc MH??

[amber olive]

4MH by a good margin

[vivid ember]

if they are on your showcase no, if they arent you can click on your profile and click the bin button on them

you can delete showcase characters, but they'll come back the next time its refreshed

[hexed widget]

thank you. that sucks

[jolly hemlock]

how does furina look atp?really broken right?

[pseudo kelp]

So nuev pamber will be enough to heal the whole team?

[amber olive]

not "heal" as in keep them 100%

but keep them healthy enough because neuvi just pingpongs himself between 50 and 100% HP

[pseudo kelp]

Alr

I guess running furina with nuev makes c2 useless to pull

[tame wren]

How long does Wrio E last in c1?

[jovial smelt]

should be 16s, but you won’t stay on-field for that long

[pseudo kelp]

Dude the furina tc channel is on doompost crack

They don’t realize that a team wide buff is insanely good

No matter the degree it is

[clear ivy]

not really

because of the CA cancel

we kinda have downtime in the 24s rotations

even tho you want them because 2 E and all that

so c2 is like ok here's a bunch of dpr over a few seconds, which fits in just nicely

[pseudo kelp]

Ah okay

[tame wren]

Whats the difference between burnmelt and xiangling bennett for melt?

[clear ivy]

for ganyu?

well, a few differences

burnmelt trades away xiangling's damage (which isn't as high in that team but whatever) + bennett's insane attack buff with nahida's Q buff, nahida's personal damage and being able to distance yourself since you're no longer tied to xiangling's range

the issue is that dehya uptime is kinda ass

9s of IR like sure

[tame wren]

For wrio actually

[clear ivy]

ah yeah, don't do that

[tame wren]

Wdym?

[clear ivy]

wrio is already fairly squishy

you sure you want to involve burning in the process too?

[tame wren]

Maybe not lol , thx anyway

[low shale]

Thoma

[clever valve]

How's wrio with furina? anyone got calcs

[chrome inlet]

is there any reason why freeze tao (using kaeya or layla) isn't more of a thing?

xingqiu removes pyro which lets you freeze then melt

striaght up 33% dps increase

[jovial smelt]

don't expect to see serious team DPS calcs so soon, as we all needs more footage to properly calc anything without major assumptions

[ebon mountain]

too many caveats sounds annoying to tc overall

[clear ivy]

you lose a lot of options that end up being better in the long run, more so than more reaction damage

you lose hydro resonance + damage% from yelan , or you lose bennett + vv from vape tao

can't use zhongli anymore

i guess the main reason is that cryo units suck outside of their own thing

[green tree]

bind acc, go to settings and hide them

[hexed widget]

how do i bind acc

[green tree]

log in through discord

[hexed widget]

ohh

[green tree]

and click on the key

[hexed widget]

i got a code to bind

used it but the timer is still there

nvm i didit

thanks a lot

it was bothering me a lot that there were some builds i wanted to get rid of and coulsnt

[clear ivy]

do we have an optimized rotation for neuvi after the CA cancels or is it still the 24s 3CA one ?

[jovial smelt]

did we ever have a 24s one?

pretty sure it was a 27s rot

[slim copper]

on sheet dps lower than vape tao , personally that's what I run always with my tao since the constant freezing lets makes you not take as much damage

and not everyone will want or have ZL while kaeya/rosa/layla are more likely to be pulled (kaeya is free as well) so imo freeze tao isn't such a meme

[clear ivy]

why would 2E 4CA take more than 24s tho?

[jovial smelt]

ehhh obviously it takes more than 24s

I mean if we include allies field time too

[clear ivy]

Yeah

Wait let me redo this mentally

Neuvi field time is 12+ 1+1+2 so 16s

Kazuha field time is ~5.5s

I guess yeah 24 is a tough fit

[ripe raptor]

are there any solid guesses yet as to how well neuv's weapon will work on wrio?

[jovial smelt]

in melt and freeze

[ripe raptor]

sick thanks

[tepid crest]

uhm hi duck do u still have the neuv weapon rankings on ya? 😭🙏

[tepid crest]

THANKUUU

[jovial smelt]

save my drive somewhere so you can find all my calcs easily 😛 https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-HxfgblwLbPHqc8lrJ77hCPXMHaFWykO

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[uncut jasper]

are the new limited 4star weapons good on anyone? like xiphos or watasumi weapons

[fossil rain]

assuming no Shenhe, would the best 4th character for Wrio melt be Kazoo?

[pine meteor]

Yeah

[dusk token]

Does anybody have a neuvillte team dps sheet?

[lofty wave]

the master sheet was pinned in neuv TC but its gone now

found it here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16yvjzY7-ygeyzQQoKp2aMahFu_OCPiO56fs-jBk1PnA/edit#gid=1909495317

[dusk token]

Ohh thank tou

[tranquil burrow]

Childe is actually a good fourth spot filler for C1+ Neuvillette until Furina comes

he gives 25%hp and +1 NA level just by being there

[gloomy yoke]

Is there any general frame data sheet available for Furina? Not just for her E (please ping if there is)

[jovial smelt]

I only have one for her E sorry

[amber olive]

still working on it, dont have good gameplay to show when animation lockout ends on her Q

quite busy atm sorry

[gloomy yoke]

[proper falcon]

when will they add wrio into kqm website

[gloomy yoke]

KQM doesn't do any pre-TC

[untold rivet]

Does superconduct affect fall dmg

[blazing sand]

How the neuvi passive work?
(Heir to ancient sea authority)
Need 3 other element?
Or just electrocharge 3 time?

[small gate]

Three different reactions with hydro

[uncut jasper]

how is the 4star limited polearm looking?

[small gate]

Good but nothing crazy.
Most Polearm users prefer ER tho

[spring bone]

will the new event weapon for neu still be second best? or is any other 5* better? i have a few 5* catalysts

[lofty wave]

his second best is BP

[spring bone]

oh 😭 but will the new weapon be good on him?

[lofty wave]

should be yes

[small gate]

Use Pamaber man
I have lp R5 and It Is less DMG than Pamber

And Neuvi don’t want CR with his set , nor high ATK from other 5*

[spring bone]

i thought cr would be good after having hp% mains

[spring bone]

i want to but its so uglee 💔 itll have to make do

[small gate]

Close your eyes dude

[inland pier]

Can someone explain wriothesley's passive to me. And why it says her to ignore his special charge attacks at c0
Also is melt recommended for his C1 because he procs his charge attack dmg from his passive more frequently?

[verbal sky]

Wrio, xingqui, shenhe, sucrose
Or
Wrio, Bennet, Xiangling, sucrose??

[elder swift]

It's not that you ignore his special charge attack, it's that you don't really play around it. Use it if it procs but that doesn't always happen with a healer

[inland pier]

Ok makes sense

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[tight nacelle]

any neuvillete teams that stand out from the rest?

[small gate]

I used (yelan or fischl) kazuha zhongli

[idle cypress]

any sheets for wriothesley?

[small gate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939331695847563324/1149507399913312337/image.png?ex=651b65b0&is=651a1430&hm=a53709a588ffd7850eec4508871a6118243c7156fc4fb872cbdd2b541f65f82b&

[small gate]

⏫

[low shale]

I would ignore everything here that isnt melt
since Charlotte and Furina changed him a lot

[idle cypress]

any of this with neuvillete

[small gate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/939331695847563324/1148656240940036226/image.png?ex=651b98bc&is=651a473c&hm=27a9a5652f6f29b4bce266825e14895719454b2ff6f7b8f5a56f2835862aef09&

[small gate]

⏫

[small gate]

Yeah .. for now we use what available

[idle cypress]

why are they using yelan and xq

[jovial smelt]

interuption resistance (xingqiu), reso hydro, c2 res shred (xingqiu), buff dmg% (yelan), some extra hydro particle. Some damage with E and a few ulti proc if you NA from time to time

[idle cypress]

i mean i guess, but issnt there any character that could do better?

[small gate]

For hydro no , wait for furina

[jovial smelt]

furina x)

mona and childe are fine too, but not necesseraly better

[night palm]

imagine they limit the camera movement speed on neuvilette charge

[amber olive]

dont give them ideas

[dusk token]

Does neuv a1 passive only work for one ca and after that you'll need to do the reactions again to get the DMG buff or is it like buffing all the ca?

[vivid ember]

all CAs, they just last 30s as the only condition

[potent anvil]

that is the world controller players live in

[glacial star]

Did anyone post the rizz c6 abyss vid?

Guess I will

[wraith mesa]

Furina C2 calc post. I'm pretty proud of it! Hope it helps some people
https://redd.it/16yewlv

[echo timber]

It got deleted?

[wraith mesa]

Idts? I can still see it in incognito mode

lmk if u cant see it still

[echo timber]

Nope i can't see it

[wraith mesa]

does this link work?

https://www.reddit.com/r/furinamains/comments/16yewlv/updated_furina_c2_weaponartifact_comparisons/

idk what is going wrong cuz i can definitely see it even when I'm logged out

[gloomy yoke]

Link works for me

[small gate]

yeah for some reason It Is not working for mobile , but work fine with PC

[lofty wave]

@dusty osprey question if you are available

with Furina
Neuv seems to start to face an issue for me

where idk which stat to favour more

is there a way to calculate which stat is more saturated than the other?

example here being

Neuv HP/HP/Crit
with Sig
running Double hydro
Kazuha with 1k EM

ik alot of time you can just go optimizer

[jovial smelt]

I will be redoing main stat calc this week for neuvi

[lofty wave]

and grab what it gives

thank you duck

[dusty osprey]

this can maybe help

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

but rn i dont have an easy template to calc it without the optimizer

the other way is manually setting up the stats in excel/sheets

for the dmg formula

[lofty wave]

hmm aight thank you

[jovial smelt]

just by changing buffs from my previous calc I got this result with neuvi/furina/kazuha/baizhu (still 4CA rotation)

[lofty wave]

hmmm

this is about what i had in mind aswell thank you

[jovial smelt]

I will do something more accurate later (should be accurate enough though)

[lofty wave]

is 4CA even possible during Furina Burst?

[jovial smelt]

nah

but I haven't changed yet

should change comparison much

[lofty wave]

ic thank you

[clear ivy]

Can you add a quick portion for c1 furina? Since it's just 30% extra damage

Damn that's a whole 0.01% difference

[jovial smelt]

the one at 100% gained value too

wait

[jovial smelt]

sorry, I added the 30% to E and ult but forgot the CA XD

[clear ivy]

Lmao

So basically c1 furina flattens the differences

To substat difference

Also, I'm still surprised that the jade didn't beat the sig especially since the ER passive is kinda useless now

Well, i guess uptime issues and all that

[small gate]

Thats with only 30% ?

[jovial smelt]

30% is only C1

well, more like 33% I think

[small gate]

Did I got C1 wrong ? I thought you will start with 30% but It will increase with HP drains and healings

[jovial smelt]

of course it will increase with hp drains and healings

but I had already a C0 dmg% buff before adding those 33% for C1 xD

[small gate]

Ohhh .. that’s explain a lot.
What can we expect from C0 ?

DMG% buff

[jovial smelt]

It depends a lot on the team and rotation

and the way you build your team

[jovial smelt]

but here with neuvillette without healer, you can except that (1st rotation, and 2nd rotation - look at off-field average since furina isn't on-field after he burst):

with baizhu it depends on rotation, I'm not sure if it's better to EQ on baizhu before furina Q for better uptime for Neuvi, or if we sacrifice some furina buff uptime for higher buff by using baizhu after furina

[kind escarp]

if i were to run a team of baizhu, lyney, flex, and furina, hypothetically would r2 TFGM turn out stronger than an r1 aqua? or would aqua turn out stronger considering lyney would be the only pyro unit on the team?? i know its non meta but id love to make a team with baizhu lyney and furina work 😭

[lofty wave]

you would prolly drop baizhu for Bennett

he might not overheal

but 1.1K Atk (15% dmg bonus at c6) is not a joke

[kind escarp]

right!! in terms of a lyney, furina, kazuha and bennett team, im assuming first great magic would pull ahead?

youre right, its hard to undervalue such a strong unit like bennett, i just wish he wasnt so crucial to so many strong teams 😭

[uncut jasper]

wait i have his sig, so hp% goblet better?

[jovial smelt]

this is on neuvillette with furina C1

but yeah

even with furina C0, hp goblet is slighhhtly better

[uncut jasper]

im gonna pull for furina c1

so ig im gonna focus on hp% goblet rn

[uncut jasper]

how about wrio? does atk% surpass cryo% goblet?

[jovial smelt]

mhh, I haven't calc yet, but no I don't think so

atk% is much less valuable than hp%

[uncut jasper]

ahh right

he doesnt use bennett in furina team so i thought he might have too much dmg% where he prefer atk% bc yelan also buff dmg%

[clear spear]

oooh duckfero is tc staff now

congrats!

[jovial smelt]

Thanks ❤️

[copper cliff]

Planning to farm a new set for ayato. Would the echoes set be better than heart of depth?

[jovial smelt]

Echoes is a few % better if you use his signature weapon, but otherwise it’s pretty much equal to heart of depth and glad. You need good ping on echoes to make it work though

[copper cliff]

I was planning to go for his signature. He's currently on glad rn

Would it even be worth farming then if it's not that high of a %

[jovial smelt]

Not worth at all to be honest

[copper cliff]

Alright

[rustic ledge]

#・faq

[ivory rapids]

How good is Jadefall Splendor on Neuvillette?

compared to the 4* alternatives

[jovial smelt]

like 2-3% above proto amber

[ivory rapids]

ok ty

[vapid drift]

is furina gna be good in the nilou team? should i replace with kokomi or use along with kokomi

[wraith mesa]

with kokomi otherwise ur gonna die

[vapid drift]

tyy

[glacial knoll]

!!lilbro

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[brisk jackal]

How is wriothesley supposed to be damage wise versus Neuv? I know Neuv is kinda insane

[clear ivy]

wriothesly is kinda ok? afaik his c0 is not that great but he scales great with c1 and he really appreciates furinga/charlotte

[jovial smelt]

if you compare wrio with f2p weapon and neuvi with f2p weapon, they are not that far off (like 2k dps diff), but neuvi become way better if you compare them with signature weapon or bp weapon (because wrio has good f2p weapon unlike neuvi).

Wrio freeze team at release will be kinda copium though, but it will be his best team when furina come out. Melt team is the way at release.

C1 isn’t really necessary since the issue at c0 apply only in freeze team and mono cryo, which will get solved with furina+healer. Well, it still give a bit of extra damage though

[devout wharf]

who does more damage? wrio or neuvilette?

[clear ivy]

please read the message just above

[devout wharf]

oh it wasnt loaded my bad

[glacial star]

atk build or melt build? will be running with c6 shenhe

no reactions vs melt (shenhe+benny+kazu)

idk how often he melts

[vagrant tundra]

Does someone have Yae artifact comparison calcs up to 4.0 updated

[small gate]

I can’t find that calc.
But I remember It say the new artifact Is far better only for yae C6 and you ignore Burst .
In Yae C0 It Is good but you lose Burst DMG

[vagrant tundra]

I see tyty

[misty thistle]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[uncut basin]

are these furina numbers optimal? (after setup on a VV neuvilette comp)
im not running golden troupe 4pc so im curious

this is also before her new buff

no ult buff active as im still unsure whether she snapshots dmg% or not

[clear ivy]

not sure why you're asking if it's the older patch then

redo the damage on optimizer in the link above and have her be buffed because non elemental damage% never snapshots

[uncut basin]

avg dmg

this is assuming 300 fanfare points is more than manageable on neuvilette

[clear ivy]

goodge

[uncut basin]

thank god, golden troupe is definitely better but these artifacts have insane rolls

[proud hearth]

has anyone sheeted shenhe c6 with wrio c0/c6? just wondering how hard wrio hits with unli quills

[ivory rapids]

how good is the new free weapon (Ballad of the Boundless Blue) from the upcoming event in 4.1 on Neuvillette compared to Prototype Amber?

[jovial smelt]

way weaker

[wooden belfry]

Heyo, i'm trying to make a rotation builder sheet tool, does anybody know where can I get good up to date frame counts other than from kqm library [which is usually late by like half a year], or scalping discord chats?

[amber olive]

you could try looking at either GCSIM or their discord, i know all the frames for chars are in the program but they may have them separately somewhere for easy reading if scraping thru the sim isnt for you

[timber topaz]

in single target solo dendro baizhu, will the dendro aura be overtaken by yelan?

[pine ivy]

what team exactly

but his app kinda slow

if he's on-field

it's possible not to

if he's off ehh

[fiery igloo]

Is the event catalyst good for anybody ?

The one with energy and NA/CA damage bonus

[elder swift]

It's wrio's best f2p option iirc

[fiery igloo]

For anybody else ?

[elder swift]

[jovial smelt]

on kokomi mono hydro with furina

[fiery igloo]

Yanfei ?

[clear ivy]

Wasnt pamber better?

[amber olive]

on wrio??

neuvi sure

[elder swift]

That's neuvi

[amber olive]

but wrio has no hp scaling

and his burst is awful

[clear ivy]

Ah right

I keep forgetting

Wrio isn't neuvi

[serene salmon]

will cash flow be good for neuv?

[fiery igloo]

No
ATK is useless on Neuvillette

[dusk token]

It can be usable

[jovial smelt]

pretty much the third best option

[serene salmon]

what' the 2nd best?

[jovial smelt]

BP

[clear ivy]

As much as this might sound appealing, being put into perspective there's a whole ravine (at least in cost perfomance) between most of his options and his sig
With the bp weapon walking on a tightrope halfway through

[fiery igloo]

What are the chances Arlechinno will be workable with Homa ?

I need Tome but I don’t have any polearm character for Homa

[elder swift]

We know next to nothing about her kit rn. I'd go so far as to say that polearm Arlecchino is confirmed at all.

It's a huge gamble

But tbh unless she's an EM or DEF scaler, or her ER reqs are ridiculously high, she can probably make some kind of use for homa

[low shale]

between 0 and 100%

[dull fjord]

Homa can be used on any dps

[elder swift]

But what if she isn't a DPS

Also the best pyro DPS (Xiangling) doesn't use it

[dull fjord]

dont pull on wep banner then
homa trash anyways

[green tree]

she does

[elder swift]

How many ER rolls do you need for homa xiangling

[echo timber]

Assuming em sands or er sands lol

[fiery igloo]

All harbingers will be DPS right ?

[elder swift]

Signora does 0 damage

[echo timber]

She did damage to signora mains

[ivory rapids]

how good is Marechaussee Hunter set on Hu Tao compared to the other sets?

[jovial smelt]

made by jamie

[ripe raptor]

are there wrio calcs/comparisons somewhere anyone can point me at?

[elder swift]

Wrio's furina teams are on the furina graphic

[ripe raptor]

ah cool thanks! do you know if i can find the weapon stats cut off on the side here anywhere

[elder swift]

I saw a few but i'm not sure where they are now that the wrio channel is closed down

TLDR; sig is best 5* followed by tayatullah

For 4*, widsith r5 is best followed by flowing purity r5 and ballad of boundless blue r5

Widsith is probably worse if you're either unlucky or get the EM buff on freeze

[ripe raptor]

do lost prayer, skyward, or mod beat out 4*'s?

[elder swift]

Iirc they do

Assuming a shield on mod ofc

[dusk token]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YGaDBgqcvBpb-BWadJyoPycg1Ql5OmR4Z5PcFg5cmm4/edit?usp=sharing

Just see the weapons section in ut

It*

[mossy spruce]

in yoi double hydro will yunjin or bennett be best 4th?

[jovial smelt]

you would be playing without healer nor shielder

[mossy spruce]

thats fine w me

dmg wise would bennett buff more or yunjin?

[clear ivy]

bennett i think

yunjin buffs would suffer against her ER reqs

[mossy spruce]

assuming her buff has 100% uptime would bennett still be better or nah?

with like
mistsplitter on bennett, 2k def on yunjin

both crowned

[opal stag]

where r the 2 hydro hb cals 😔

also for furina teams, won't hu tao after the first rotation be less dps

[ripe raptor]

all these calcs dropping have me so scared to pull wrio
i got burned so bad by cyno

[elder swift]

Cyno's problems have more to do with how he didn't really have a good dendro partner until baizhu and how kinda scuffed his combos are in relation to how much damage he does

Wrio will be fine, he's more in line with characters like wanderer and yoimiya

My one concern is that his buff turns off at 50%, but we'll see how it is practically speaking

[ivory rapids]

how good is my team for Neuvillette? i do 30-35k with charge attack and 80-90k vapes (tho idk who does the vapes). The Homa on Rosaria is me losing on the weapon banner for Neuvillette

just a better sands on set pls

[clear ivy]

sure, it sounds decent if you can manage the er reqs for xiangling

[ivory rapids]

almost good enough. i usually run xiangling with bennet so 210 is enoug

[clear ivy]

if it works for you that's good, i was under the impression that you'd need more for a solo xiangling to burst every rot

[ivory rapids]

finally got rid of national team with Neuvillette

now i have unga buga water cannon

[fiery igloo]

For Neuvillette team , is pairing him up with Fischl , Sucrose and Diona worth it ?

[clear ivy]

sure

generally aside from an anemo spot and maybe fischl if you want unconditional turret damage, all neuvillette teams will perform well as long as you satisfy his A1

[fiery igloo]

Everywhere I go , I see people parrot the Double Electro Neuvillette team

With Beidou I can’t get the last draconian stack

Does Beiodu taser damage make up for the loss of the third stack ?

[clear ivy]

that's also good, you don't get the stack but you get lower ER reqs on neuvillette and beidou's own damage

it's a very considerable option if you're not running pamber

[fiery igloo]

How much should I be getting from Beiodu burst alone to be considered her build complete ?

I have C4 Beidou with R1 Serpent Spine

Lvl80

Too

Rn she does 6-10 K per tick of her burst

[clear ivy]

i don't remember her numbers

but like, SS and C4 are great enough

when people did comparisons it was KQMC beidou

which to be honest isn't flattering

so chances are she'll be better in your hands

[fiery igloo]

Also, with Fischl should I use Er or atk sands ?

I’m using 4pc Emblem for Beidou

[clear ivy]

attack

[fiery igloo]

K tnx

So around 140 ER Beidou should be fine is it

[clear ivy]

that's the standard

maybe more

actually nevermind

you can swap E anyways after a CA before kazuha refresh

[fiery igloo]

I don’t have Kazuha , so Sucrose

Favge Sucrose ?

[clear ivy]

nah you can also do hakushin ring

or if you want to save yourself the hassle, TTDS and then let fischl or beidou snapshot the buff

[fiery igloo]

So I can use ER sand Beidou and snapshot TTDS onto her

[clear ivy]

i mean if you have godlike substats on the other pieces and not enough ER without sands then sure unless your ER sands is cope and you end up losing more substats in the process

[ripe raptor]

xq+qiqi is not enough healing for wrio right

[elder swift]

I mean for wrio on his own qiqi is enough

But not if you factor in furina teams

[plucky cedar]

qiqi should be enough for furina

[sour quest]

Can Wriothesley work with Qiqi?

[mellow eagle]

isnt qiqi just completely useless?

charlotte and mika just better qiqis

[elder swift]

Yeah mika is unironically pretty good with wrio

[shrewd barn]

does charlotte give buffs other than heals?

[tepid crest]

whats c1 neuvillette's best team at c1 with a yelan/furina as 2nd hydro?

[small gate]

Kazuha baizhu

[tranquil burrow]

Does rizzley need 25k hp to fully proc Flowing Purity?

[plucky cedar]

yeah absolutely

she gives no energy

[small gate]

I want to know who the person who thought that’s good Idea

Maybe the same person who made Xiao ?

[plucky cedar]

idk someone just asked if qiqi heals enough

[plucky cedar]

oh her energy gen

1.0 shenanigans

[ripe raptor]

any changes in the evaluation of wrio since he went live on cn

[potent anvil]

they overvalued healing in early genshin

out of the 1.0 the only defensive units with energy gen were bennet and jean

i guess the reasoning was cuz they need their burst to heal idk

[spring bone]

is it worthit to upgrade this now? im planning to get nahida and my neu is wearing lost prayers

i mean as in is it a good weapon to have? i also tend to get 5* weapons when i can but lately thats not that often bc of the new charas

[acoustic widget]

lost prayer over crit neuvi and it passive not work well with him , use this instead so you don't need to worry about energy recharge

[fiery igloo]

Is Nahida C2 the best constellation with the most value ?

I was debating whether to try for Furina C2 or Nahida C2

[small gate]

Nahida C2 for Dendro reaction
Furina C2 for DMG% buff

so It Is depend In teams and playstyle ,
for example , furina C2 Is waste In nilou teams cuz thats teams want reactons not DMG%

[cloud kindle]

So which is the best team for wriothsley?

Just got him

Except freeze

Because i play ayaka there

[small gate]

Melt ( Kazuha or Shenhe xiangling Bennet)
Hyperbloom

[jagged swift]

I'm playing Wrio in a melt team with Benny, Kazuha and Thoma but my Mara Hunter set isn't that good. Would Wanderer's Troupe be good on him until I get better rolls?

[echo timber]

At that point use shime

wt wrio is really ASS

especially if you are at c0

[glossy nexus]

i mean he doesnt rely only on CA

so it doesnt make sense to run WT

[jagged swift]

Crap Mara Hunter it is then, ty

[mellow eagle]

can anyone replace nahida in wrio burnmelt? really dont want to pull her 😭

[lofty wave]

burn teams cant really throw away nahida and also you need her anyway for any dendro team overall

[mellow eagle]

yeah i dont really like dendro in general

ok back to double geo wrio 😍

[rare turret]

yaoyao can actually do just fine in burn melt teams with wriothesley

[mellow eagle]

REALLY?

even c0?

@rare turret come back...

[rare turret]

c0 yaoyao? or c0 wriothesley? either way, both work

[mellow eagle]

both

im poor

ok now just need to get a yaoyao somehow

and a thoma...

[elder swift]

Not that i have him but i'm curious, can baizhu work?

[amber olive]

the burnmelt team im most interested in rn uses baizhu over nahida if you have him

wrio/furina/xiangling/baizhu

wrio melts to weaken the burn aura

furina vapes and theres some leftover hydro to make bloom seeds

which then get burgeoned by xiangling

whilst baizhu keeps the team healthy and provides interrupt resist for wrio

[mellow eagle]

that's too much for me

but love that for you

[small gate]

Interesting team

[amber olive]

[spare osprey]

300+ ER requirements on xiangling probably lol

Can you slot in 2 E

Should be manageable with Kitain then

[amber olive]

even just fitting 2Es on baizhu helps a lot tbh

[small gate]

[amber olive]

shouldnt be 300 ER last time i checked tho

[spare osprey]

What's the rotation length

And rotation

[amber olive]

21s was what i thought itd be originally but obviously youre running a fav or two in there

furina baizhu both on fav at least i imagine

for some reason the furina ERC doesnt have wrio tho so 😔

idr where the fixed version was in my drive

[spare osprey]

Yeah I'd definitely do Two E on xiangling

180% ER requirements then roughly

With favonious procs from furina and Baizhu you'll go below 150

Should be respectable damage from Xiangling

[small gate]

Between Xiphos R5 and Fav R5
Which of them give more ER for the team ?

[echo timber]

Xiphos r5 > fav > xiphos low refine

Well if this is for kazuha and kuki

[amber olive]

issue is just what are you doing during that downtime waiting for the skill 😔

wonder if the rot extension is worth

considering furina will still be up it could be?

[rare turret]

what combos are people doing on wriothesley? i've being seeing some N3C spam on bilibili

[rare turret]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N2vcjsb1XYCns5ZSi1TcS1HohPTYek-zbSu14NDRxDA/edit?usp=sharing

[low shale]

this is C0 right?

[echo timber]

Yep c0

[low shale]

nice

why does it seems nobody got the right combo in beta?

kinda weird ngl

[mossy spruce]

so im deciding between
yelan (to speedrun abyss in like 3 seconds)
eula (to hit 5m f2p)
neuvillette (yelan but more spread out and slower)
wriothesley (mmm hot and strong)
and like
the usual hu tao and ganyu

which one do I get c6 r1 (assuming i have literally no other characters or weapons besides them since im f2p and saved everything for 1 banner)

[rare turret]

yes, this is C0

[glossy nexus]

dont get Eula

if i was you i'd get Neuv just because he's newer

Also wrio needs Shenhe

Also wrio is f2p friendly you can use the weapon from event and random characters too boost his A1

[low shale]

Wrio doesnt needs Shenhe

[mossy spruce]

c6 wrio really wouldnt need shenhe

[glossy nexus]

Yeah but he wont be competing with other C6 Wrios that way

meanwhile C6 neuv can be solo

[mossy spruce]

none of my characters will be comparing to most peoples did you forget im using the starter chars as supports regardless of who I get 😭

[glossy nexus]

regardless Neuv is way more F2P friendly

and he can use every single archon till now if you wanna pull em

[mossy spruce]

nah it would literally just be a c6 r1 char solo

[low shale]

?????

[mossy spruce]

in which case

all of them can

so shenhe doesnt really matter

[glossy nexus]

well Neuv and yelan are the best solo characters

Wrio im not really sure

Eula 💀

[mossy spruce]

all of them can solo at c6

[glossy nexus]

certainly not Eula

i have a friend who has her and he struggles even with a full team

[mossy spruce]

c6??

you can solo with c6 eula if your build is remotely good

[glossy nexus]

Get her only if you wanna hit some big numbers that's it ( and it still will require a shit ton of tries)

[glossy nexus]

yeah he saved up for 1 year

[mossy spruce]

his build must he awful if he struggles with c6 and a full team

[glossy nexus]

his build is 1% on akasha

[mossy spruce]

because mine at c0 can almost solo her half more than fast enough

[glossy nexus]

solo ?

lmao

[gloomy yoke]

Sounds like skill issue

[mossy spruce]

almost solo
I end up running out of time on 2nd half just barely

I can duo with raiden
even JUST for the E superconducts

[glossy nexus]

Im not talking about actually doing the half in 90sec

[mossy spruce]

I got 36 stars with eula + tenacity raiden on one half and no other characters

[mossy spruce]

then what are u on about???

[glossy nexus]

almost every C6 character would finish a floor in less than 20sec

[uncut jasper]

wtf how bad can one play

[mossy spruce]

yeah thats exactly what im saying hello???

[glossy nexus]

well that's 1 rotation for eula

a rotation that can only clear 1 wave

[mossy spruce]

so then why does c6 eula apparently struggle
if she can clear a floor in 20s

[glossy nexus]

she cannot

she needs at least 2 rotations

[mossy spruce]

okay well I wasnt planning on using her for waves anyway 😭

shes a boss nuker

[uncut jasper]

yall forgetting eula dmg is backloaded and not frontloaded like yelan and neuvi

[mossy spruce]

ive never been given less thought-through advice in my life

[glossy nexus]

getting a consitent dps iss way better

[uncut jasper]

ofc shes slower than others

[glossy nexus]

a C6 Eula only has 130k DPS

[mossy spruce]

shes a boss killer

[glossy nexus]

every character is a boss killer 💀

[mossy spruce]

at c6 she can 1 phase abyss bosses

possibly solo

[glossy nexus]

Uhhhhh a well builtC0 al haitham can do that

[mossy spruce]

a lot of others cant unless you have an insane build

[glossy nexus]

not solo ofc

[mossy spruce]

thats an awful comparison to make

[glossy nexus]

Dude

its bad to have a non consistent dps

[mossy spruce]

please never give me "advice" again I'd rather just wait for someone to actually give good reasoning

[glossy nexus]

as you please i hope you regret pulling her

[mossy spruce]

I dont plan on specifically pulling her

[uncut jasper]

jeez its not that deep

[glossy nexus]

i just gave you my pov

do whatever you want

[mossy spruce]

but youre not exactly convincing me NOT to
because youre giving the most baseless opinions and no good reasoning to them

[glossy nexus]

dude

nuker = bad

thats it

you dont need more reasoning

unless you just started

then i get it

[uncut jasper]

just c6 whoever u enjoy, imo ayaka felt most satisfying so i got her c6

[mossy spruce]

so 1 shotting first half is a bad thing got it

[glossy nexus]

one shotting in 20 sec while a C0 dps can do it in the same time ?

like i said, DPS > Screenshot

[mossy spruce]

a c0 dps would need much more investment plus fully invested supports

eula wouldnt

[glossy nexus]

uhh

C6 is already TOO much investment xD

[mossy spruce]

RESIN

I could pour all of that investment into making my team 2 insane instead of worrying about both

[glossy nexus]

Also what are you gonna do when you get bored from her

[mossy spruce]

start saving for someone new?? what do you think i'll do 😭

[glossy nexus]

LMAOOP

YOURE CRAZY

[mossy spruce]

I'd get bored of anyone that has nothing to do with eula herself anyway

[mossy spruce]

youre calling me crazy for saying I'd pull someone else when I get bored
isnt that literally all gacha games are

[glossy nexus]

2 months of farming is less investment than 1 year of primos

[mossy spruce]

2 months of farming does not give you 2 insane fully built teams

[glossy nexus]

no i called you crazy because you wanna waste 1 year worth of primos on a character that you will be bored from eventually, thats literally what happened to my friend, and again, its not a skill issue, eula is just bad now

[mossy spruce]

I dont have the patience to talk to you

[glossy nexus]

yea i can be anoying

do whatever you want

[mossy spruce]

at least youre self aware??? do something about it wtf

[glossy nexus]

no lol

cruy

[mossy spruce]

yeah im not dealing with you

[dull fjord]

navia scales on atk
Wonder if she has def-to-atk transfer like itto and noelle (since they're geo claymore users)

[small gate]

It Is early to know without full kit , but I don’t think she has DEF transfer.
They said In leak her weapon also has high base ATK

[vapid drift]

is furina good hydro application

[jovial smelt]

not enough to sustain vape carry alone, but good enough for other things

[vapid drift]

is there a way u can like break down her kit for me i see no actual kit breakdowns anywhere

[worthy tangle]

with c3 wrio, is his melt team or furina team better 😭

[jovial smelt]

furina team always better at any const I think

[jovial smelt]

Basically:
Her E summon pets that can:

• Hit every few seconds
• Do damage
• Drain your team hp

Her ulti make you gain stacks everytime your hp increase or increase, and each stacks means more buff for the team.

So she does good off-field damage and buff decently but she require a healer in most team to maximize her buff and damage

[worthy tangle]

thank you very much

[vapid drift]

so would ayaka/kokomi/furina/shenhe be a solid team? or perhaps hutao/yelan/xingqiu/diona?

[jovial smelt]

where is furina in your second team? And the ayaka team is meh, koko doesn’t have teamwide healing unless you play her on-field

[vapid drift]

oh shoot hutao/yelan/furina/diona or xingqiu

[jovial smelt]

might aswell remove koko for jean

so you get heal and VV

[vapid drift]

so ayaka/furina/shenhe/jean then?

[jovial smelt]

Should be pretty good yeah.

[vapid drift]

diona or xingqiu? or are they interchangeable? (believe both are c6)

[jovial smelt]

Yes, from some calcs I saw, it has similar dps to the current best ayaka team, but you don’t have kazuha grouping which is important

[jovial smelt]

not xingqiu, you need healing

[vapid drift]

kk and ill use elegy too on one of them

[jovial smelt]

you can put jean, baizhu, bennett or diona as last slot

[vapid drift]

aight

ty

[copper cliff]

Is 4 pc noblesse for shenhe any worth? I read online some say it's good for her and some say it's bad

Never used shenhe before. Was planning to get her if she has a rerun for wriothesley

And I have the catch for her

Or fav

[clear ivy]

yeh it's her standard set, gives a nice buff to all teammates and increases her own attack

[jovial smelt]

it’s her best in slot, so yeah it’s good

in freeze team at least

[broken skiff]

How’s cashflow on wanderer

Does anyone have a sheet for his weapons

[rare turret]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N2vcjsb1XYCns5ZSi1TcS1HohPTYek-zbSu14NDRxDA/edit?usp=sharing

[lofty wave]

Curious can you activate the bonuses on neuv and Wrio cuz i run shieldless and want to know how much they are

+plan to go with furi later

[jovial smelt]

look at the comment to see how much gain the stacks give

[lofty wave]

ah i just noticed the .

[broken skiff]

Huh what comment

Oh wait nvm

[small gate]

Can someone plz test kazuha ( with and without) Freedom-Sworn for Neuvi ? I want to know If the CA buff Is valuable from Freedom-Sworn

[echo timber]

You can calc it with a calculator and see the numbers yourself if you have neuvi, but imo it's not that valuable if your er reqs are high; fav kaz would be more comfy bc he can lower the er reqs of everyone, but thats up to you (doing testing and etc)

[wooden belfry]

i did a quick check on my build, assuming a 1000 em kaz vv and furina at full stack, i got a 5% total CA damage increase. your mileage may vary

you can also do this yourself very quickly with online calcs like this one: genshin.aspirine.su
you can upload your build via the UID if you placed your neuv on the featured 8

[echo timber]

oooo thats nice

[small gate]

Thank you guys

[echo timber]

[wooden belfry]

btw, this is my build for context, because i have a ton of HP, damage% is slightly more valueable for me, but even then, a lower hp build will still benefit from freedom sworn

so the only question you need to ask yourself, is if 5% total damage increase on neuv in hyper better than having access to fav particles from kaz. It'd depend on the team you are aiming for

[echo timber]

Holy shit thats insane 😭

The sands tho, i feel you

[wooden belfry]

i did not choose the 164 ER life, the 164 ER life chose me

[echo timber]

😭

Real

[clear ivy]

damn that goblet is too sexy i need it to barge into top 1

[copper cliff]

thank you

[copper cliff]

thank you as well :D

[kind dawn]

i uploaded my build via UID but i don't see any options to calc the dmg?

[wooden belfry]

if you want each attack's damage, you go to the left here

you can also build a rotation here

if you want to see more exact personal damage in a team

and here you construct a team to decide what is the active buffs on your character

[paper echo]

Is keqing aggravate best overall team kazuha fischl and baizhu

[clear ivy]

I think keqing fischl c6 kirara kazuha is better

[broken skiff]

is C6 Fischl R5 Stringless or is C0 Yae R5 Widsith better

[small gate]

It Is depends :

• Fischl Is faster and have 100% uptime for Oz, so she Element skill character only
• Yae has both Element skill and Nuke from her Element Burst , but she far slower than Fischl .

for C6 Fischl you better use NA character to use her C6 perfectly

for me I use both In the same team:
Yae - Fischl - Kazuha - Baizhu

[broken skiff]

any calcs? - I don't actually have any dendritic characters yet so i'm more concerned about actual damage from electro using golden troupe

[small gate]

• For Fischl Golden Troupe Is always better.
• For Yae C0 Golden Troupe Is good but other options are strong cuz her burst DMG are huge also .
• for Yae C6 Golden Troupe Is always better.

I will try to find the calc

[uncut jasper]

got 3 cashflows, should i keep 2 and refine 1?

[small gate]

You have Wrio , right ?

[copper cliff]

Quick question. What does shenhe ascend with?

One website says crit rate and one says atk%

[small gate]

ATK

[copper cliff]

Thank you

[jovial smelt]

what website are you using? you should use ambr.top or honey impact for this kind of information

[copper cliff]

I went on this website :P. I usually go on gamenet for information on my mains

[vivid ember]

and the ascension stat potentials arent even correct yeah use ambr https://ambr.top/en/archive/avatar for the simplest layout

[small gate]

If I use Jean Burst on frozen opponents , In this way I can swirl both Hydro and Cryo ? Or only Cryo ?

[echo timber]

Only cryo

[small gate]

https://tenor.com/view/crycat-crying-cat-crying-cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-ok-gif-22851318

[elder swift]

You can do both if you apply 2u of hydro before freezing

I do Yelan Q > Wrio N1 > Kazuha Q and swirl both consistently

[small gate]

Yeah , I level up jean for this future team:

• Wrio yelan furina Jean

Kazuha In another level tbh
So I try my best to understand how I can use Jean perfectly

[elder swift]

Both jean's e and q are 2u

So should be fine with either

[glad palm]

Could anyone introduce me to this Hu Tao with Furina and MH set hype? I didn’t read any tc for some time now and I’m a little late for a party.

[small gate]

Basically, Furina make MH BiS for any on-field character