・theorycrafting

[pine ivy]

think so yeah

I've heard discussion

that its bis then

cuz you hit so fast and all that jumbo

idk much tbh tho

idk about yoimiya at all tho, aren't those CA dmg?

[prime berry]

3.6 hp set good for hutao ( using bennett instead of shielder)?

[zealous eagle]

Does hu tao like skill or burst amage bonus?

[prime berry]

it gives both

[zealous eagle]

I know

Hutao can't use either well

She does normal and charged attack damage

not skill damage

[prime berry]

not even the 80% is worth it?

[zealous eagle]

first of all its 8% not 80%
second of all 80% of what. You are multipling hr skill damage, but her skill does literlaly 0 damage

that set buffs Hutaos blood blossoms and her burst

it does nothing for her CAs or NAs

[prime berry]

80%

marked reliable on this subreddit

[zealous eagle]

Of skill and burst effct

its 80% of 10%

or 8%

[prime berry]

wtf

[zealous eagle]

and either way it doesn't matter because you haven't realised it only buffs skill and burst

[prime berry]

nvm it's garbage then

[zealous eagle]

but hutao doesn't care baout skill and burst anway

[prime berry]

i'll stick with crimson witch

[abstract phoenix]

Who is the new hydro set in 3.6 for?

[supple spindle]

does raiden E snapshot?

[supple spindle]

50% damage bonus at max

would that be good tho?

[prime berry]

oh

i don't think it'd be good because of the 2 piece bonus being a slight setback

[merry maple]

My halfbaked calcs says it's for Tartaglia (obviously but not a major upgrade over 4Hydro) and potentially Ayato if you are willing to go through extra hoops to make it viable (such as doing N1C before Q, and N1C before his 2nd E)

[drifting furnace]

can i ask how to calculate the amount of hyperbloom procs for a rotation depending on team and/or enemy count (?)

im not good with dendro numbers

[soft drift]

Combat sim

Or manual egt

k!egt

[lofty echo]

Elemental Gauge Theory

Elemental Gauge Theory is our current method of explaining all game mechanics involving elements.

[soft drift]

k!gcsim

[lofty echo]

gcsim

gcsim is a team DPS simulator for Genshin Impact.

[drifting furnace]

yeah i wanted to try this one (when we have more baizhu info) because gcsim doesnt have unreleased characters but my main question is really how many dendro cores can be produced to then be hyperbloomed

[soft drift]

A lot of idps, Baizhu applies dendro every 2.5s with Q similar to nahida but for 14s only so could be abit similar

[drifting furnace]

idps?

[soft drift]

It depends

[drifting furnace]

yeah but does it not matter how many units of dendro he applies?

and which hydro im using

[soft drift]

He applies 1u I think

[drifting furnace]

yeah so what would that mean for his core production

[soft drift]

A lot of idps sadly

I think it’s better overall

Less dendro gauge means less hydro apps needed to remove it, easier EC aura

Dendro on EC aura produces more seeds than normal due to egt

But there are scenarios where more gauge is better

[drifting furnace]

quickbloom?

[soft drift]

Ye

[drifting furnace]

yeah that was the one i was mainly interested in

so id need a weak hydro app

[soft drift]

Weak and many hydro apps is best ye

[drifting furnace]

but even with that how do i calculate the number of cores this team could hypothetically produce

[soft drift]

By mapping it out

Which isn’t practical

[drifting furnace]

how do i do that ?

[soft drift]

Start by mapping out the rotation

Say u start with fischl E, so enemy has electro aura at first

Then work your way from there

Personally I would wait for sim to add Baizhu

He shouldn’t work too differently to nahida tho

[drifting furnace]

my hypothetical team is baizhu/nahida/yelan/cyno because like half of the weak hydro applicators are healers which seems a bit redundant with baizhu on the team so im thinking 2 dendro so that yelan doesnt overwhelm the quicken aura and cyno can still quickbloom
which brings me to my next question is this team even viable and how do i determine that

tldr i do not understand dendro because before that i only tried to tc for characters that dont care for reactions

[soft drift]

I think it’s too complex to map it out accurately, u can only wait for combat sim to add them

Even though I know egt, there’s too many things going on

[drifting furnace]

is hyperbloom easier to calculate? not talking about cyno specifically rn just in general

[soft drift]

Once they come out on sim , we can start sheeting using the debug for reaction counts

[soft drift]

It’s one of the harder ones

Quickbloom is the messiest

[drifting furnace]

sorry i mean compared to quickbloom

yeah

wb bloom?

[soft drift]

It looks like this

Value that’s changing is em

It’s all over the place sometimes

[soft drift]

Not too bad

It’s like an EC team

Just need to worry about em buffs uptime and trigger

[drifting furnace]

i dont know how to make sheets for ec teams either

[soft drift]

Reaction counts are taken from in game or combat sim

[drifting furnace]

so live testing?

[soft drift]

Yeah, usually combat sim

Do u know how to check the debug?

[drifting furnace]

gcsim doesnt do pre release chars right

[soft drift]

It’s the quickest way

[soft drift]

They do sometimes

[drifting furnace]

gcsim didnt work for me for some reason last time i tried it, the page just kept refreshing itself and deleting all my inputs

[soft drift]

Not dehye tho

[drifting furnace]

i tried asking in their discord but idt they had an answer

[soft drift]

That’s weird

[drifting furnace]

let me try again

yep still auto refreshes

[soft drift]

https://gcsim.app/v3/viewer/share/3eb54265-c501-4561-80ea-5c3f42ccbb3d

Can u access it?

The debug will show who did what reaction and at what time

U use those counts for sheeting

[drifting furnace]

yes i can

[soft drift]

At least that’s how I do it

[drifting furnace]

which one of them stands for hb proc?

im in the debug table

wait i found it

ok so when this happens is there a way to know how many cores it creates? or is it always 1 core per application if its 1 enemy?

[soft drift]

1 core per application

But u can just count how many hyper bloom does dmg

Actually Dendro on EC aura is 2 cores per app

Otherwise 1

[drifting furnace]

i see

i remember when i was playing hyperbloom (or quickbloom idk it was a whack team) i had like 3-4 cores on field simultaneously
is it because there was a delay on raiden E proccing them? i thought it was just a lot of cores produced from 1 hit

[soft drift]

Alternatively u can check details for the number of hb on avg

[soft drift]

It was Dendro on EC aura

Can create up to 4 cores iirc

With additional hydro app

[drifting furnace]

[soft drift]

Over 4 rotations I think

So 120 hb on avg /4

30 hb on avg per rotation

[drifting furnace]

so in the raiden column if it says 1 hyperbloom it literally means 1 hyperbloom
because if theres like 3 seeds on field it will show 3 hyperblooms in her column right

[soft drift]

Yes

If it shows the hb doing 0 dmg , don’t count that

Only 2 hb can do dmg every .5s per enemy

[drifting furnace]

why /4?

[soft drift]

The configuration specified 4 rotations

[drifting furnace]

i see

[drifting furnace]

ok thats very helpful thank you

[soft drift]

It uses for 0 to <4

Which is 0,1,2,3

So that’s 4 rotations

In the for let i=0 part

[soft drift]

Happy to help

Also || dn||

[drifting furnace]

why does it do 4 rotations, to get the average?

[soft drift]

Go to config and scroll to the bottom to find this @drifting furnace

[drifting furnace]

yeah i found it already

[soft drift]

The person who wrote that code (config) did a “for loop “

[soft drift]

Oh I think I misinterpreted the qns

The answer, idk

It just takes the avg of the total reactions from every rotation

[drifting furnace]

hmm ok

[soft drift]

Over x number of iterations

[drifting furnace]

well thanks for answering all that anyway

[soft drift]

[dusk token]

Which language is this?

[green tree]

it's gcsim config

[south oar]

Are the ayaka banner 4* revealed?

[weary abyss]

yes it has been leaked but you can ask in leaks' general chat like #・copium or #・sakura regarding it because this chat is only for focused theorycrafting. Thank youu~

[covert trellis]

does any1 know whats the dps loss on autoing but not charge attacking on itto?
i know its not efficient juts wanna know whats the dps loss, 20%? 30?

[rocky bronze]

Sorry for the ping @signal breach but maybe you know

[pine ivy]

100% because just why

[signal breach]

@rocky bronze Been a whole while since I've worked on Itto stuff, so may be outdated, depending on how the combos have changed/been optimized over time. But back then I had it at about a 30% dmg loss to use only NAs on C0 Itto.

[rocky bronze]

Thank you!

[thin gazelle]

anyone has calc for widsith r4 vs atlas on scara ?

[south oar]

Widsith has 4 different state so hard to give a comparison

On attack and elemental bonus it's better than atlas

[lunar flare]

Hi everyone, we are taking additional feedback and comments on the KQM Hu Tao guide which was published here: https://keqingmains.com/hu-tao/

If you have any feedback on the content of the guide, please let us know by commenting in the #hutao-guide-rewrite ticket in KQM or by leaving feedback through this form:
https://keqingmains.com/contact-us/

[thin gazelle]

ty

[merry maple]

poggers

[clever phoenix]

how many frames it take to swap? generally

[zealous eagle]

Depends on ping

[lament iron]

Does anyone have Nahida hyperbloom on field sheets?

[merry maple]

https://library.keqingmains.com/combat-mechanics/frames#swap

Generally 70, 20 MS ping + 50 MS = 70

Unless you're a gronk like me connecting AUS to NA and has 250MS by default

[clever phoenix]

but this is in ms right? should be converted to frames according to FPS?

[merry maple]

Yea

so 70ms should be 4.2 frames

[clever phoenix]

👌

[merry maple]

[gritty linden]

How is beacon of the weed sea for eula? Or is wolfie stone still better?

[merry maple]

Beacon should be more Personal DMG for Eula provided you don't have a shield, if not, Song is more damage/more team damage especially with Raiden

Also Beacon looks like straight ass

[normal quartz]

is regalia better than moonglow for dps kokomi

[merry maple]

no

I edited jamies mono hydro kkm team with XQ Yelan Kaz (probs one of her best DPS teams)

c0 Moonglow

c0 jade donut

problem is that u only get a buff for 3 fucking seconds after Q

which, i dunno, sounds pretty shitty

[normal quartz]

yeah that’s really annoying

i didn’t notice that until someone pointed it out to me

[true cradle]

quick question, is there a damage calc comparison between cyno quickbloom and quicken?

[pine ivy]

there's 2 in Cyno mains

[true cradle]

yeah, found it

thx

[hexed widget]

can someone help me with er please? i have yelan and xingqiu nonc6 with 168er both and there is fav thoma in hu tao team, is that enough??

[merry maple]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4/edit#gid=1182742518

learn to use this, all of ur ER question solved

[sturdy jasper]

How many big bursters do u need in your team for akuoumaru to be better than Serpent spine on eula. Is it better by alot? Without destroying the team

[gloomy yoke]

Assuming same refine and shielded, SS should just always be better than Akuou for average DPS calcs

[abstract phoenix]

Where do we find the new fat geo black serpent knight

[pine ivy]

the big black guy?

more big black men fr Hoyo

[delicate jolt]

new area in 3.6, right?

[hard wharf]

next time, these questions can be asked in #・tc-lounge instead check 2nd pin for what we allow here

[viscid flare]

If I plan to use Yao Yao and Nahida on a Nilou team who should I use as the other Hydro. I dont have Kokomi or Ayato

[merry maple]

XQ would be best due to better AOE application and if you can (be bothered to) desync the rots, Yelan if she has Elegy

Candance probs alright with Yaoyao

[merry maple]

^

tldr anyone lol

[viscid flare]

Thanks. I'm guessing that slot goes full EM?

[merry maple]

Either works

It looks like the Hydro will have around 30% ownership

[acoustic widget]

anyone see the new geo catgirl

i mean her kit

[rocky bronze]

Not the place to ask this type of questions, you can ask #・sakura or general tc channels like #・tc-lounge . Check second pin to see what questions are allowed here. Thanks!

[gray wave]

hello i have a question how is the best team for nilou?

[pine ivy]

help me help me

whats the dmg diff on SoBP compared to bacon on eula ?

[gloomy yoke]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C0WGIlFa5idv8HJ0E0aZAkYEKVTsl6mNBpaHE9xS6iU/edit
Keep in mind this is personal damage only. Beacon can generally lose to Pines/WGS when you consider team damage

[pine ivy]

can you give me a situation where sobp will do more dmg

[gloomy yoke]

You have Raiden Burst after Eula

And no other Millennial weapon

[pine ivy]

ohh thats true, altho raiden only got a few sec to take advantage of the millenial buff 🤔

[gloomy yoke]

Initial slash is good enough

Assuming your Raiden is decent

[pine ivy]

soo wgs is like the best one but situational

and the bacon is prob best one in overall ?

[gloomy yoke]

WGS if you can proc it early enough (before Lightfall) is best

Beacon is best if you're using Eula hypercarry with no Raiden or shield

Pines is generally the most consistent and strong with Raiden

[pine ivy]

gotcha

tyvm for the info

[thin gazelle]

how good the current 5* banner for account value ?

[covert trellis]

Very low

[merry maple]

Character banner is pretty amogus, the weapon banner is aight

[hard wharf]

just to remind that for next time, questions like these go to #・genshin-help pls check 2nd pin for what we allow here

[pine ivy]

stop sugarcoating and just say its the worst banner of all time

[verbal sky]

al haitham and nilou can be used on the same team? with yaoyao and xq

[restive gale]

they can

[verbal sky]

nahida less nilou copium team it is then, if i get her

[tribal bridge]

As per the reminder above, those questions can be answered in #・genshin-help

[proud pilot]

hello everyone, I'm new to theorycrafting and I wanted to start out by doing some calcs of my characters and compare them to what optimizer says it should be like. I have a discrepancy of around 4k in this one, which seemed a bit too much to be a rounding error. Anyone mind to take a look at this?

[green tree]

send the sheet

[proud pilot]

this is the build for the reference

[pine ivy]

chat, by the time baizu gets released, what would be the optimal nilou comp ?

[covert trellis]

any1 knows what the DMG difference of using Zhongli (noblesse/milellith) vs Thoma c6?

in comp Dilluc Xinqiu Yelan

[ionic tusk]

did you count yelan's dynamic buffs in?

[proud pilot]

No but the config I’m comparing to in the optimizer also doesn’t account for her A4 buff so there shouldn’t be a difference in that regard

[ionic tusk]

just have a rough look, but for Hutao n2c she doesnt vape every first hit and not vape the 2nd hit

did you set it up same in your go config?

[proud pilot]

i took it straight from the config. I wasn't trying to get the most accurate calc, since I'm not doing it for optimization. I just wanted to get some practice on doing the calcs in general. So as long as there are no errors in the actual calc that will serve the purpose

Just don't understand where the discrepancy comes from

[ionic tusk]

I'll try to take a look later if that's alright

[proud pilot]

yeah no problem, thank you for the help

[green tree]

oh you optimized for avg dmg

but in sheet you counted them all as crits I think

[soft drift]

269% is the crit value I think

[green tree]

hmm true

[ionic tusk]

can you also check the enemy stat (level and res)? im pretty busy rn so cant do your calcs myself

[proud pilot]

i should have the same def and res multiplier in the sheet

[proud pilot]

sheet is also for avg damage

[green tree]

yeah i see

[proud pilot]

[green tree]

i think you should try 70%*(1 + 240%)

[proud pilot]

no it's 10k lower than optimizer

[green tree]

[proud pilot]

wait

i got it

wtf

i don't think I've even changed anything

nvm

I'm dumb

but i think i found the issue

the burst is also using the 50% DMG% from Shimenawa which it shouldnt

[green tree]

oh

that makes sense

[proud pilot]

yeee

i guess now it's just a matter of rounding

[ionic tusk]

oh

[proud pilot]

thanks for the help anyways

[opal stag]

does anyone have ayaka team sheets

[soft drift]

For?

[proper jetty]

Random question, but do TC standards other than KQMS exist?

[merry maple]

Not really, from my knowledge

The most people change is the amount of liquid subs

[fierce flicker]

I was curious about having sucrose or heziou as drivers for a mono swirlable element team

[merry maple]

KQMC is 20 liquid subs, and some people believe it to be poverty so they go to 25/30/35 or some shit

Even though at 20 liquid subs, it's around 205 CV assuming no ER req with 2 atk rolls, which is already a fairly invested char for most people

[soft drift]

Usable but not good

[clear spear]

is there anywhere we can see all the effects that get extended by hitlag? (mainly buffs and states given by characters)

[soft drift]

k!frames

[lofty echo]

Frames

Frame count explanation & database

[soft drift]

In the tcl page

Linked above

[clear spear]

ty!

[covert trellis]

can gilded dreams be used on melt chongyun?

for chong rosaria bennet and xiangling

rosaria and xiang are both on emblem and bennet is on favonius + noblesse

chong with sacrificial

[pine ivy]

I think it be better than four lavawalker on melt Chongyun , including emblem

[blissful juniper]

idk if this is the right place but

which sounds better on wanderer

2,000 atk 70 cr 220 cd
2,500 atk 70 cr 170 cd

[topaz viper]

you can use the formula atk x (1 +cr x cd)

ask in #・genshin-help next time

[clever phoenix]

anyone with monogeo can help me do short video with this rotation on a boss without any dash cancelling. thanks

[soft drift]

Frames looks correct, u used the to swap one, should be right apart from swap frames which vary based on ping

Also without a macro would be impossible

I generally give 9ish frames leeway between each action

[clever phoenix]

i see. thats what i want to ask, because there is 1~2s discrepancy when comparing to ingme footage.

i want to know how everyone deal with discrepancy in sheeting when comparing to ingme.

[soft drift]

U can try using gcsim to check for timing

Or vary the time between each action

[soft drift]

Ye ,recently while frame counting how much off ppl are in frames , usually 0-9

[clever phoenix]

👌

tyty

[soft drift]

60 fps ofc

[soft drift]

https://gcsim.app/v3/viewer/share/59da91ed-4bc8-4d32-9b96-b3c84a6dc9b9 u can key in the rotation here and see how long it takes, less tedious and should be mostly correct

[zealous eagle]

sim also has a sim to macro tool

[soft drift]

Wat

[zealous eagle]

https://github.com/Charlie-Zheng/gcsim_macro_maker

[patent hare]

WARNING

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Do not click the link if you are unsure.

If you believe this to be a scam, please ping a moderator immediately

[zealous eagle]

only supports AHK and synapse rn

I've found the AHK output is slow by like 10% though

[soft drift]

Interesting

[clever phoenix]

btw is there a way to check the duration for one rotation in gcsim other than looking for it in Debug?

[soft drift]

Not that I’m aware of, the best thing u can do is type print(“end of rotation”) in the config and search it up later in debug

[clever phoenix]

👌

[outer jetty]

Hi guys if Xiangling is on-field doing NAs to proc Yelan's "Exquisite throw" while her Pyronado is activated, will Yelan's burst buff her Pyronado?

I don't know if it's any use using her on-field or swapping into Yelan to buff her own exquisite throws

[clear spear]

nope, buffs applied to her after she casts pyronado don't go through bc of her snapshot

for example, if you swirl pyro with kazuha after using pyronado you get the VV shred on the enemy but not the a4 dmg bonus

[outer jetty]

Ohhh okay tysm

[clear spear]

so if you have a VV shredder on your team like sucrose you can use her onfield instead

[green tree]

it will buff her

[outer jetty]

But I'd have to activate Yelan's burst first right?

[green tree]

it doesn't matter

[outer jetty]

Since she snapshots

[green tree]

yelan burst buff is dynamic

[outer jetty]

Ohh ok

[clear spear]

not the pyronado

[green tree]

it will buff the pyronado

snapshotting doesn't work with yelan a4

[clear spear]

dafuq

[green tree]

only stats on statpage can be snapshotted

[clear spear]

kqm tcl

I need to test this ingame

you're right

ive been lied to my entire life

how did I never notice it doesnt say it increases your dmg but the dmg dealt

[soft drift]

Did u test it ingame

[green tree]

yeah yelan is supposed to be a direct buff if we go by these terms

[clear spear]

yep

[clear spear]

.

[soft drift]

Wait it buffs

[clear spear]

it does

[clear spear]

and it's in the static buffs in the kqm tcl

[green tree]

the definitions are weird to me tbh, i'd personally put them in two groups

something like:
stat buffs/direct buffs

[clear spear]

I always thought yelan's buff was the same as kazuha's but on intervals

so I never bothered to test it ingame bc I assumed it wouldn't work with snapshot skills

and never checked the statpage while using her

never too late to learn ig

[merry maple]

Video proof for anyone curious but too lazy to test themselves

[soft drift]

Cool

[modest chasm]

is there a link to the GO branch with Baizhu?

[clear spear]

https://teucerdev.github.io/little-bro/

[modest chasm]

tyty

[timid matrix]

how much % is fopl better than gd?

[lunar pebble]

afaik, like single digit percent and not as universal so idk about farming it

[opal stag]

not going to spend another 3 months farming em pieces thank you

maybe if I had wanderer

[soft drift]

Old calcs

[knotty drift]

what the hekk

i got ghostpinged..

sorry guys i suck at tc

[winter steeple]

on another note

[knotty drift]

OH

WAIT UR MUTED

🥲

[winter steeple]

what is the true dmg expected from c0 Hu Tao with vape?

[knotty drift]

34000000

[winter steeple]

and any obtainable f2p buffs

[knotty drift]

congrats

[rocky bronze]

h!hutaosoftgoals

[lusty raft]

Hu Tao

• Pyro
• Polearm
• On-field DPS

by: Vladone ツ#9281 (Author) || EduLis#2176 (Designer)

[winter steeple]

ty

[rocky bronze]

But please use the command in #・tc-bot-spam if you want to check it next time

[winter steeple]

I still feel like my Tao isn't doing enough damage despite meeting the requirements, at 62/240 with DM I'm doing like 65k vape CAs

49-65k actl

[merry maple]

If you are running the double hydro wheelchair, obviously Tao's damage is gonna be low(er)

Run Pyro VV if you wanna get big Tao numbers

[winter steeple]

is there any decent rotation involving kazuha? how would I get the initial pyro application

in a team like Hu Tao Xingqiu Kazuha Zhongli

or should I swap zhongli for someone else

[clear spear]

swap him for something like thoma, tankfei or bennett

[winter steeple]

I heard at some point tankfei was the most popular build in CN

for yanfei

What would be her optimal tank build?

[merry maple]

Either Prototype Amber for energy/Codex, or TTDS but this comes at high ER reqs. Ideally 4NO or 2Tenacity 2Emblem

#・genshin-help for more info

[swift fiber]

woo

[versed stream]

other than childe and dehya respectively who can use these sets?

[modest schooner]

I guess Ayato can use the 1st one too

[merry maple]

Ayato can use 4 New Hydro with it being a ~maybe 4% DPS increase according to my own scuffed calcs (Q, Double E, buffless, PJC) if you use the set correctly, otherwise it is a ~1.5% DPS decrease if you fail to prestack

XQ is always a loss assuming you use a baseline ER of ~180 (so ER sands or ER weapon) cuz 4ESF is too good

[modest schooner]

Why the hell did they released something like that now ? Apart from the 2 piece.. this makes no sense

[covert trellis]

why did they rerun yomiya 2 months after?! why did they run mika without eula?! why are they rerunning anything but eula and albedo 2+year with no rerun?!

short answer: because they can

[modest schooner]

Don't know if it's mockery, but yeah actually

BTW the second one is more obvious ig

[covert trellis]

a bit of both, if something's true on mihoyo's side is that they take the gacha mechanic quite seriously

[modest schooner]

Absolutely, imo that's why Mika is on Ayaka/Shenhe

[covert trellis]

my slight copium guess is that that new hydro set will be used for future hydro charcters

but idk could be copium

[modest schooner]

You're probably right, with Fontaine

[covert trellis]

then again the hydro archon arti set might be better LOL

[modest schooner]

HAHA SURE

[covert trellis]

so hard to speculate

[modest schooner]

Anyways thanks Mihoyo xd

[blissful aspen]

I'm guessing the 2p HP/2p HP gonna be new BiS for Nilou
Maybe also Mika new BiS too? (if someone else has Noblesse)
I don't think it's worth getting rid of the 4p ToM buffs for more HP for shielders like ZhongLi or Layla, but I guess it depends on what you're aiming for

[nova escarp]

Can Nilou (now) be a decent DPS with the new Hydro set(or the new HP set) or Mixed sets of 2pc HP% and 2pc Hydro is better?

I wanna to do it for amusement lmao

[fiery igloo]

I have a doubt about this
How does the Nymphs dream set 4pc work ? Do we need to satisfy all five conditions or just 3 to get full set of stacks ?

[green tree]

3

[merry maple]

If you need more healing, sure

Though sticking 4NO on Mika if you are fine with healing, and running Rosaria/Shenhe on 4ESF or 2ATK2ATK gonna be better

[vapid wraith]

How much percent better is the new artifact set on tart?

[merry maple]

100% 2pc Hydro 2ATK
101.5% 2pc Hydro 2 Hydro = 4 Hydro
103% 4pc NEW if no pre stack
108% 4pc NEW if prestack

that basically gist of it

Number vary depending on your weapon of course, and buff

[vapid wraith]

Wb 2nob?

[vale scarab]

Do u happen to know ballpark dps share of international

Im tryna think if its even worth when u consider team dps

[white knoll]

Random comparison but C0 Keqing vs C0 Cyno? (I got Cyno built but i can’t stand his rotations)

[merry maple]

40/45/5/10

Childe XL Bennett Kaz

roughly

[winter steeple]

isn't the new elemental skill set broken for C6 xiao

[vale scarab]

I cant imagine how

HP 20% dead stat

And loding HP ≠ taking damge from enemy

[winter steeple]

?

C6 xiao is when your burst hits multiple enemies you gain unlimited elemental skill

[vale scarab]

Yea how is gonna get the stacks

[winter steeple]

rn xiao has too many atk buffs and no elemental skill dmg buffs

[winter steeple]

his burst drains hp

vermilion hereafter also relies on that

[vale scarab]

And losing HP ≠ taking damge from enemy

[winter steeple]

https://twitter.com/genshinmains_/status/1641777592759107584?t=AzJT5HYdMyRx-y-7CRxqFQ&s=19

Genshin Mains_Your Guide to Teyvat (@genshinmains_)

New artifact sets in 3.6

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[vale scarab]

Which is what im trying to say

[winter steeple]

hmm this is the current one I'm reading

is it rephrased?

[vale scarab]

Xiao self drain is not taking damage from an enemy

[winter steeple]

fuck

so this is the dehya set?

hmmm

[vale scarab]

Yep

[winter steeple]

her set is still kinda ass ngl

10 + 5×8% elemental skill/burst dmg bonus

[merry maple]

iirc Cyno edges out

https://gcsim.app/v3/viewer/share/81a0a322-02db-49b0-917f-14760bf415f3 58k DPS with Cyno Kazuha Fischl Nahida

https://gcsim.app/v3/viewer/share/a80c7d77-99f0-49fc-9e3d-3446d2c08ecb 55k DPS with Keqing Kazuha Fischl Nahida

Now the assumptions vary like Tenacity vs Deepwood on Nahida, and Fischl has EM sands with Cyno vs ATK% sands with Keqing

so you know, take the results with a grain of salt

Whether or not Cyno does more damage in practice is something that cannot be accurately judged

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KVfcl69PBHv59pMj4Vx63ENyIAgGIW6xwcCnSPIBEpo/edit#gid=1958944328 You can visit the database of sims to see various teams

[zealous eagle]

https://gcsim.app/v3/viewer/share/f3d12471-8778-4683-8b36-bac76bbbe690 Why use that one

But also DPS is not a good comparison at all

[merry maple]

cuz I didn't see it lmao

[merry maple]

I mean of course it isn't

[zealous eagle]

Keqing is run shieldless hearlerless much more frequently than cyno

[merry maple]

But I don't know of any sheets comparing those two

so I dunno, the best is sims or pulling numbers from MA

so unless you got a better resource of Cyno vs Keq damage

Then post it here mate

[zealous eagle]

Honestly my response would be to say theyre close enough that it doesn;t matter and address teh differences

[merry maple]

^

I am sure the user is well aware of the pros and cons when it comes to Cyno in practice

[zealous eagle]

Fair enough

Its just I would begin wiht that

[merry maple]

Fair as well

[merry maple]

Cuz I'm genuinely curious

y no one do Agg stuff

[zealous eagle]

Its entirely reaction counting

cos it dominated by fishcl's A4

BUt its also really sensrive

[merry maple]

yea

it pre rough bruv

HB/QB even worse

[pine ivy]

simply, Cyno qb is miles better than Cyno aggrevate so Cyno is better then Keqing easy

[west crane]

Whats ubatcha's best artifact

[pine ivy]

no point. Cyno and Keqing never use the same teams esp at c0. tbh at c0, Cyno's best team is keqing's worst and vice versa.

if you don't like his rots maybe you're doing them wrong or his playstyle just isn't for you. then just don't use him. but Keqing and him can't replace eachother in their respective teams

[vale scarab]

agreed. HB and agg have a pretty wide selection of combos that all work

[delicate scaffold]

Can Nilou take 4p Voroushka as an onfielder in bloom?

[rotund parcel]

Yeah she can, don’t know if that’s what you’d want though

2pc 2pc tenacity for the hp might be a better idea

Bc that’s free 40%

[delicate scaffold]

I want to do funny Nilou dps while also blooming

[rotund parcel]

Well that depends on your preference then tbh, I would probably still get 2pc 2pc because A easier to get B you can use the 40% to your advantage so you can squeeze in more crit stats without loosing as much buff

Getting a full good 4pc set is also a lot of resin

[delicate scaffold]

It's also a bit more resin efficient for me to farm the new domain and I don't have any tenacity pieces

[dusty osprey]

the 4pc is more relevant for the whale nilou players

[rotund parcel]

True true, c6 gamers

[dusty osprey]

you can get pretty close to the 75k cap with key

but for low/mid invest players just slapping on 2p/2p is better

[delicate scaffold]

Would a c2 r1 Nilou still be mid investment?

[rotund parcel]

I forget Key exists tbh 😭😭😭 Bennett signature

[rotund parcel]

Not really

Yeah maybe then if you can get the cap or close

[dusty osprey]

its only if you can hit the cap without the 2nd 2pc

[delicate scaffold]

I see

I'll just let me artifact luck decide

[dusty osprey]

even then you dont really see good increases unless you have c6

you could do funny on field nilou with xq or yelan

and have baizhu be your healer

[rotund parcel]

That sounds actually pretty good wait

[dusty osprey]

its fun, i like it

[delicate scaffold]

Thank you for the ideas

thank you also dennis from chainsaw man p2

[delicate scaffold]

They don't run any em no?

[rotund parcel]

Dennis 😭

[dusty osprey]

you can toss em on xq for that team

[rotund parcel]

Em xq kinda yummy

[delicate scaffold]

I love funny teams

[delicate scaffold]

My favorite side character

[dusty osprey]

i need to look into the difference between em vs adc xq for that team one day

[delicate scaffold]

Please update me when you do

[rotund parcel]

I need a second opinion on this, I’m unsure: theoretically if you could use only one in a team with the goal of (only) boosting Haitham’s spread damage, which would be better c0 Nahida (250 em buff) or c0 Baizhu (thrilling tales and the dmg buff passive). Nahida definitely out does with c2 but I’m unsure at c0

Probably a stupid question

I know Ideally you’d run both for an spread only team but yeah

[delicate scaffold]

Might depend on how much em alhaitham has

[rotund parcel]

Yeah definitely, well mine is at around 800ish with dendro res and full c2 stacks

[delicate scaffold]

I think at that point c0 Baizhu buff might be stronger

[rotund parcel]

(That being said full stacks don’t really maintain long and you’re usually at 3-2)

[rotund parcel]

Yeah, also the healing isn’t negligible too, you could free zhongli and Kuki

[delicate scaffold]

Yep, could take even more offensive supports

But running Nahida and Baizhu together could be great too

[rotund parcel]

Mann I originally was gonna pull both and even Nahida cons but Mist got me

I did this to myself

[rotund parcel]

Yeahhhh…..

[delicate scaffold]

Me with my c2 Nahida funds (I spent it on aqua)

[rotund parcel]

You’re so real for this

[delicate scaffold]

Ong

Can you show your Alhaitham @rotund parcel ?

[dusk token]

Buff wise baizhu iirc but nahida herself is a battery and sub dps for alhaitham

[rotund parcel]

Yeah ik but idrc about the other character’s dmg, I like all my dmg to be done by Haitham

[rotund parcel]

Uhh I could give me a sec

[rotund parcel]

He’s really mid (also I was wrong it’s 750 with buffs, close enough), also we don’t talk about it, whatever you want to say it’s just an illusion don’t worry about it

[delicate scaffold]

Wow your c6 alhaitham is so c6

[rotund parcel]

Yes!!!

[delicate scaffold]

Also your build is good

[rotund parcel]

The goblet is

[delicate scaffold]

Are you going for his bis and a 4pc?

[merry maple]

balls

[rotund parcel]

Yeah for sure, next re-run he’ll be fixed

[delicate scaffold]

Wishing you the best luck

[rotund parcel]

Thank you, you too

[vale scarab]

Your query is making me think now

Does c2 nahida trump baizhou buff in all reasonable situations.

Following the same line of thinking as previous ( just talking about ahaithm spread dmg

[pine ivy]

you can't really compare baizhu's buff to much

it's just

a slight reaction buff

that's mainly effective when unit has over 600~700 em

Nahida's c2 buff will ALWAYS be better than it

not even a question

Def shred to the whole team and literally doubling bloom DMG

[nova escarp]

This is where pre-TC questions are asked, right?

If yes, how does the new Hydro set (and Polar Star for comparison/analogy to the new artifact set) work? If I do mostly Elemental skill or Normal Atk, I only get 1 stack?

[green tree]

each type of atk (na, ca, skill, burst) is separate stack

[twin geyser]

Has someone calced on-field Nilou on 2p2p HP vs 2p2p HP/Hydro yet? I want to know if additional HP from the new set pushes her E "infusion" above the 15% Dmg bonus from HoD. Or at least close to it, while increasing Bountiful Core damage

[green tree]

you don't use her infusion

[twin geyser]

that's not what I'm asking tho

I know you typically don't. But if I wanted to, which 2pc combos are better?

[green tree]

hydro bonus would be better

for e dmg

but not recommended to build for it

[pine ivy]

always 2pc hp combo

until you get the need 75k~ iirc which is the cap of her passive

hydro bounus useless till C6 fr or unless you have her built for dmg

cuz she'll do 0 dmg anyway cuz she'll full hp

[twin geyser]

I'm asking cuz I'd like to use her on-field in the overworld from time to time, but don't really want to see sub-1k damage numbers.

[pine ivy]

then C6

[covert trellis]

74.4k is cap

[pine ivy]

my bad, i was 0.6k off Now I'll never do good in life

[pine ivy]

probbaly build her for dmg or smth

driver Nilou

just know giving her hydro dmg bounus isn't gonna do much if she can't crit

maybe crit subs

[twin geyser]

So like, 2p HP Combo with HP/Hydro/Crit?

[pine ivy]

😭

Uhh

i mean probabbly tbh

ngl if you have R5 Key

and double hydro

you could probbably still reach needed HB for bloom

[twin geyser]

R5 Key. Ha. Good one. Best I can do is like Iron Sting or Sapwood

[pine ivy]

dw, we'll get weapons with HP% substat in Fontaine

we actually should tho

Nilou buff

[twin geyser]

it's gonna be ER and EM again

[clever phoenix]

anyone can help me do short video for this
shenhe tE Q > kazuha tE Q > kokomi E > ayaka D N1 E Q > swap shenhe.
i want to see how long shenhe E cd still left.

[pine ivy]

just do the math

[pine ivy]

Do all bloom damage types like HB, burgeon and normal bloom share the same ICD of 2 per 0.5 seconds? I have otherwise and wanna confirm

[vivid ember]

do you mean same pool or all have the same limit in seperate pools?

[pine ivy]

idek tbh 😭 i just wanna understand if they all share the same rate of ICD

[vivid ember]

yeah, only 2 instances of HB can do damage per 0.5s from a character

[acoustic widget]

do nilou need EM ?

[vivid ember]

A nice amount but stack HP first, like 100 from substats is good

[acoustic widget]

my nilou wear 2x of ToM 2x of HoD all crit rate crit dmg because i only keep HP main stats antifact if it have big crit number

[vivid ember]

Overall that's just less damage than having her on HP and EM but if it works

[acoustic widget]

the rest i strong box

55k hp c0

[pine ivy]

aim for 75k

well i heard its 74,444 to cap passive

[acoustic widget]

no chance without bis sword

[pine ivy]

just aim for 75k when get EM

[pine ivy]

Full HP subs on flower and feather?

double hydro too

[acoustic widget]

later i wait for new set

[vivid ember]

I think 63k is doable without sig, that's 76k with it

But like

It's mad

You won't get much past 60k

[vapid wraith]

Legendz hmmge

[pine ivy]

[covert trellis]

on a scenario where there is no freeze but no other element other than cryo, is the blizzard strayer better than wanderer troupe? considering its still basically free 20% crit rate and thats already a great stat for an artifact bonus vs the 35% CA bonus from wanderer

[zealous eagle]

For Ganyu? yes as long as you burst

if youre not bursting, Shime wins out

[abstract phoenix]

Is kirara a 4 star or 5 star

[clear ivy]

4*

[south oar]

When will her leaks come?

[vivid ember]

a few days

beta will be just after 3.6 release

[covert trellis]

normally leaks start to drop during the patch day (like after the patch hits, a few hours later) but we don't normally get videos until a day or 2 later, depending on the leakers ofc

[burnt coyote]

is 2 hp/2hp now better for nilou?

[pine ivy]

probably cuz your main aim is reaching 75k hp before anything

[burnt coyote]

ah okay tysm

[pine ivy]

well it's 74,444 or smth if i remember exactly but whatever

[vivid ember]

yeah

[hard wharf]

next time can ask that in #・genshin-help. check pins for what kind of stuff should be discussed here in this channel

[delicate scaffold]

@heavy geyser I did it

[heavy geyser]

?? lol wat

[delicate scaffold]

Oops wrong one

Sorry

@rotund parcel

[rocky bronze]

This is not the place to post this

Please check the second pin for posts that we allow here, thanks!

[delicate scaffold]

Kk

[clever phoenix]

can anyone test does dehya arti procs through shield?

[pine ivy]

do we have keqing weapon dmg tables around here ?

[merry maple]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XetTGG-yrrUMMjjzlcPqvvagvPXC7B7IG6MqgekGqcE/edit#gid=1322280129 balls

EM sands can be found on the KQM Keqing guide

[pine ivy]

tyvm mate

[merry maple]

ye bruv

do you want EM sands as well or u good

[pine ivy]

haran better than jade sword, lions roar better than foliar

[merry maple]

yea foliar is kinda stinky

[pine ivy]

nah, was just wondering what placements for haran or the foliar

was planning on saving for the next banner

[merry maple]

cuz a good portion of her damage comes from CA due to assumptions and burst

[pine ivy]

in case they run miko alhaitam

[merry maple]

ye sounds good brother

[pine ivy]

i guess ill just cast my wishes on char banners

ty again

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[rare turret]

what would a rotation look like for raiden/nahida/yelan/xingqiu that balances energy gen, ease of use and damage?

the 2 most different rotations i've seen have been

1. one rotation goes to max the amount of hyperblooms while using fav on yelan and xq
2. another rotation does 2 yelan Es to put yelan on slingshot for higher personal dmg but it'll have less hyperblooms triggered

[covert trellis]

idk i just spam all and stll finish with 1 min to spare on abyss

[echo vortex]

Anyone have a link to keqings team dps comparison

[abstract phoenix]

Which team is better (pick the better character to fit)

Nilou + Yelan + Nahida +…
Kokomi
Baizhu

Ayato + Raiden + Nahida +…
Kokomi
Baizhu
Zhongli

Alhaitham + Yelan + Raiden +…
Kokomi
Baizhu
Zhongli

[vale scarab]

One per or can u repeat

Also this better in the other channel #・tc-lounge

[acoustic widget]

any new leak about kokomi rerun in 3.7 ?

[acoustic widget]

nilou nahida kokomi and dmc because compare to yaoyao DMC burst AOE is huge when it contact with hydro so better AOE

[hard wharf]

don't think so, but next time, ask these type of qns in #853474886047629323

[west talon]

In a kaveh bloom team, could nilou-nahida-kokomi-kaveh work?

I know at that point it’s best just to go triple hydro nahida but I really wanna use him lol

I heard his dendro isn’t enough for triple hydro so that’s my reasoning for double dendro

[vivid ember]

yeah it will work, kokomi/nilou will be the biggest trigger but its definitely a functional team

theres a video in #1080442942285697054 if you scroll up a bit

[ionic gate]

Hello, I am looking for a spreadsheet that compares the shields of the characters.
Not having Zhongli, I was wondering what was the second best shielder of the game with good investment (to play with hutao, meltyu, yoimiya)
I have layla c0, thomas c0, diona c6, yanfei c6, noelle c6, who can replace Zhong

[pine ivy]

It's basically Zhongli > Layla = Thoma > everyone else

[ionic gate]

Ok thank you ! Is it better to give a 2hp%+2 hp% set or to stay w/ 4pc ToM ?

[pine ivy]

if totm can be consistent I'd use totm

like with layla

with Zhongli, pillars aren't guaranteed to hit

2pc hp combo might end up being better for him

[ionic gate]

ok ty

[clear spear]

also keep in mind that layla's assumption uses Key of Khaj-Nisut (which gives like 82% hp iirc) and thoma's uses 3 HP% with black tassel, which will absolutely be a problem for his energy needs

the ones where they are qbout I he same*

[pine ivy]

smh just play mono pyro

with Xiphos Kazuha, ezy no er problems

[green tree]

also thoma's is fully stacked shield

[clear spear]

now I want to er calc his ER there with 1000 EM kazuha on r1 xiphos and favge bennett

or maybe favge kazuha too

[whole lion]

Thinking of Nilou, nahida, Baizhu, EM Childe

Baizhu replacing kokomi means that you need a good source of hydro, and honestly who gives more hydro than the guy who’s kit just drips hydro everywhere?

Nilou as tge usual hp bot, nahida with deepwood and her usual 1k em, healer baizhu who also just drips HP and then childe, who would probs take the role of being on field the most, with em to proc blooms. Might be tricky for rotations.

Posible childe substitutes, Ayato, maybe Yelan? I feel XQ might have too big of a downtime, but tbh burst reliant characters might not the greatest

Yelan would benefit though since she has massive hp to survive nilou’s kamikaze, and would also benefit from hydro resonance

Not having to use kokomi means she’s free for the other half. Like for ayaka freeze or something

[potent sphinx]

Guys is worth crowing Kazuha?

Or what's the best spot for leveling his talents?

[zealous eagle]

No

Its not worth

he stops gaining value from his talents at tl 1

[vale scarab]

Critzuha has legs now with faruzan no?

[zealous eagle]

Then youwould sppecify with Faruzan

[vale scarab]

I took it to 8 on an EM build just because i dont like to see tl 1 on characters ive deemed worthy

But i agree with rare

[clear spear]

wym downtime on xingqiu

he has 100% uptime
unless you're c0 or c1

[vivid ember]

Barbara is essentially Kokomi for Bloom if you aren't one of the people who would die thinking about building her

Childe has even higher downtime than any of those people because of his scaling skill, and is honestly likely the worst hydro option for a bloom team where being able to swap between active applicators is highly valued

[winter steeple]

helo tc gang, I was thinking of new team comps recently, and I was thinking; Since Nahida's skill triggers upon reaction, and Frozen counts as a reaction, why not use it as the fourth slot in a hyperbloom team?

zomg it didnt embed

but basically run Nahida, Xingqiu, Shinobu & any cryo unit that NAs from time to time

Since Frozen doesnt affect hydro application much, it would be possible to run a cryo dps in a hyperbloom team

[lunar pebble]

youve discovered the fridge

[winter steeple]

the fridge?

[clear spear]

it's a well known interaction already

the cryo helps make the run more comfy and actually helps you produce cores because you don't deplete the whole aura every time you bloom

[winter steeple]

today i learned

[clear spear]

hyperfridge is one of my personal favorites

[winter steeple]

this is the consequence of trying out over 10 new teams trying to beat the new spiral

[clear spear]

(hyperbloom+fridge)

fridge is just normal bloom+cryo

[winter steeple]

how do yall group up maguu kenki? some ppl say that using bloom on 12-3-2 is not great

[vivid ember]

triple kenki is a bloom dream, the only boss floor that has MT content

[vale scarab]

Yea bloom handles it easy

And most bloom teams have plenty heals already accounted for

You could have 10 thumbs and still clear

[patent sequoia]

Whats the difference between 4pc tf and 4pc gd for hyperbloom cyno?

[pine ivy]

assuming you mean quickbloom and not actual pure hb Cyno. 7%~ assuming you do all additional Es from TF. if you don't, it's mid. doing all Es with TF matters alot, even the additional one

[clever phoenix]

is there a list of team compilation dps created according to gcsim teamdb?

[soft drift]

Not that I know of

I just browse through the database every now and then for some inspiration

[pine ivy]

gcsim is shit btw

[clever phoenix]

fair. but is there anything better

[pine ivy]

yes, trust in sheets. gcsim with weird reaction counts and assumptions

[clever phoenix]

give me sheet with atleast 20 comp

[pine ivy]

I think Noir's "is it ganyu level" is a team compilation of at least 10 but idk

[gritty linden]

is any 1mil bloom dmg nahida build possible?

[vivid ember]

1mil?

The best you are getting with Bloom is ~100k overworld with c2, key and nilou c2

[pine ivy]

reaching 100k is top investment

[vivid ember]

yeah

[pine ivy]

ngl with mona

uh

Baizhu? Nahida? then r5 key + r5 dreams

and uh

so little buffs to bloom wtf

[vivid ember]

mona doesnt even work

Paradise, Baizhu a4, Nilou c2, Nahida c2, Nilou a4, Kaveh q, kaveh c4

then other EM buffs, DW of course, and key for nilou HP

[clear spear]

ganyu in 2023

[pine ivy]

what
fr? doesn't it just increase dmg taken?

[vivid ember]

it counts as a dmg bonus against enemies

[pine ivy]

Oh

dayum

that's very interesting

[vivid ember]

yeah, annoying stuff

[pine ivy]

i thought it was dmg increase or smth like

uh

i swear smth did dmg increase

maybe it was a blessing ig

[vivid ember]

probably

they dont put that many extra multipliers in because it could get broken fast

[pine ivy]

makes sense

that's why they added c4 Xingqui and Yoimiya's E

ngl it's crazy how they make every char unique like that

[winter steeple]

Helo tc gang, how often can fischl's A4 passive be triggered?

if theres no cd, wouldn't it be very strong in spread/aggravate?

[clear spear]

it is very strong in aggravate

but spread doesn't count as an electro reaction, only quicken and aggravate

[vivid ember]

from the KQM TCL

• There is a ~0.5s timer between A4 procs (it seems to be either more than 0.5s or depends on ping).

[winter steeple]

why does this team work so well

shit it didnt embed

why does this beat hypercarry

[clear ivy]

throw it into streamable

[winter steeple]

https://youtu.be/ZLviqCoOPvI

[clear ivy]

oh yeah

raifish was always an underdog team when it came to raiden teams

and that was before fischl was this broke

[winter steeple]

its currently my best single target team

although theres no healer

[clear ivy]

yeah that's the issue

[winter steeple]

nahidook could take amber

[clear ivy]

i was playing it for abyss but this 12-1 made me go off of it

[winter steeple]

one whack from the consecrated beast will destory raiden

[clear ivy]

yup

the combinations are the issues

[winter steeple]

but why does this team beat raiden hypercarry

i only managed to get shogun to 3/4 hp with hypercarry

[clear ivy]

because they get overload or aggravate and do 30k

[clear ivy]

hypercarry isn't a single target team

[winter steeple]

owh

ive always used it in a single target application

[clear ivy]

it was one of the reasons why rational became popular despite it being a fraudster team

[clear ivy]

i mean, a well built hypercarry is still a 60k+ dps team all situations considered

so it does most content

[winter steeple]

its the team that helped me survive wenut

i hate the wenut so much

[clear ivy]

the raiden boss is one of the tankier ones on the other hand

[winter steeple]

yea its the tankiest weekly

1.3mil hp

[clear ivy]

so like, if there's a ceiling that most teams will hit, this boss is it

[winter steeple]

waiting for taroumaru event to rerun so i can test against it

[clear ivy]

but yeah

raiden fischl bennett kazuha was one of her better SGT teams back in the days

just very underrated

[winter steeple]

bennett?

[clear ivy]

and now you add dendro to the mix and it's just leagues better

[clear ivy]

that was in 2.x

[winter steeple]

yea the aggravate is insane

if i put nahida on a cdmg weapon and have her c1 she would do crazy dmg

[clear ivy]

eh

c1 damage isn't crazy

but it does help have 100% ult uptime

[winter steeple]

it ups the skill dmg by an amount

[clear ivy]

it does but the most of the damage comes from her being a 1000 em and hitting spreads

so like

if it hits for 40k

around 25k of that will be from the spread reaction

so the pyro buff would be acting on the base 15k

of course, 3k extra per tick is not an amount to sleep on but it's unfortunately not as big as it seems at first

of course just a disclaimer before i get blasted by a calc warrior who's probably correct, these numbers aren't exact and it's just to give an example of how spread damage is a major player in nahida's seed damage

[dusty osprey]

its like a 1-3% dps increase last time i checked

depending on the team comp

[winter steeple]

atp raiden hypercarry can be considered single target

because abyss just keeps releasing singular tanky bosses

especially wenut

& matrix overseer but at least that's still somewhat bearable to do

[zealous eagle]

I've also seen her C1 be a team wide -15% damage decrease

Her c1 sucks ass

[clear spear]

how does that even work

[zealous eagle]

C1 inceases electro count which makes her apply dendro faster

[vivid ember]

Aggr swirl?

[zealous eagle]

This is not a good thing

Dendro teams are insanely senstiive, and additioanl dendro isn't usually beneficial

Outside of spread where you have too much dendro anyway

[vivid ember]

Isn't that really just aggravate? Most other teams would be fine

[zealous eagle]

No, Bloom cares

[vivid ember]

Bloom likes it

[zealous eagle]

Not always

Bloom is again, insanely snestivie

[vivid ember]

More Dendro = less chance to overwrite with hydro = less finicky

[zealous eagle]

You will always overwrite dendro on occassion

[vivid ember]

Current reason Collei is the best support is she's the only one that doesn't let hydro overtake as much

[zealous eagle]

C1 makes it so you might not apply again on time

[vivid ember]

How?

[zealous eagle]

Eh, theres several things wrong wtih that statemetn

[earnest lagoon]

Question is the new 4 pc VG set good for Nilou?

[eternal scarab]

No only the 2pc

[vivid ember]

4p is good for driver, but mainly with cons/sig

But driver isn't generally where you want her to be so it's niche

[winter steeple]

so if I were to have nahida in nilou's team as the one making blooms I would need more hydro application than what xingqiu offers?

like running Nahida Nilou Xingqiu Barbara

[zealous eagle]

Because of how Nahdia's E works theres no way to gurantee She will get all the blooms, she can get a lot, but never all of them

Regardless of who you use

generally, because of that, its prefered to try and maintain more dendro than hydro by urnning nahida+dendro so you can get more hydro ownerhsip

In that case more dendro is good, if it results in more overall bloom, but even then its liek 50% dendro 25% hydro so you don't always get mroe blooms with C1, though it does depend, sometimes you do sometimes you don't dendro is dumb

[winter steeple]

In that case I would run Nahida Nilou Xingqiu Yaoyao, but Yaoyao needs to be on field for her ult

Is there any way I could get xq to benefit from nahida's em buff?

since it only affects on field

are there better substitutes for yaoyao

[zealous eagle]

If you want healing, you can go Nahida + collei/dmc and then run kokomi/barbara. Kokomi/barbara will then own most of the blooms and can on field for the EM buff

thats the most common setup

With yaoyao, you can still make it work, as yoayao only lasts 5s anyway

[errant kettle]

so in what current blooms teams the addition/replacement of char with kaveth/baizhu/kiara improve that teams performance?

[winter steeple]

i wanna try just Baizhu Nilou

2 members only

with baizhu built em

[small gate]

[vivid ember]

Nilou/Nahida/Koko/Baizhu will be a strong improvement over DMC/Yaoyao most likely, Collei still has her position as frontload applier that she is likely to keep for a while

Baizhu slots into most places that Yaoyao does, notable exceptions being Candace teams due to not being able to use the infusion, and Ayato burst bot teams where her burst application is highly valued

[pure socket]

How do you build collei in a nilou bloom team?

Does she use instructor or deepwood?

[pine ivy]

if Nahida is already there, Nahida probably wants deepwood since she has bigger aoe from e

then collei can hold ins ig

[vivid ember]

Collei can build subDPS as a better option, her bloom count is low so an EM set isn't particularly great, and Instructors lowers collei's stats and provides a very small damage increase after the amount of EM a Bloom team gets

https://youtu.be/Ib5OyOjIA7w

[pure socket]

Is sac bow really better on her

Compared to fav

[vivid ember]

More Dendro, plays to her strength as a frontloader

And most teams don't have burst needs, so Collei getting her energy is generally the best

[vale scarab]

I was curious if u know how the various teams measure up vs each other or is it relatively same once nilou and nahida are in there

For example the candace team interests me but i dont know if that is a downgrade team vs some of the others

[eternal scarab]

candace is a downgrade to other options but it's biggest upside is that it's not bad and it frees up more contested units

[vale scarab]

So even c6 with yayao its less blooms?

Im aware the collei variant is a speed run team so i understand that situation

At current im using the triple hydro variant

[eternal scarab]

triple hydro is marginally better than other options in single target

[vivid ember]

Candace c6 can be a competitive option but generally weaker due to uptime and energy needs

[eternal scarab]

it's hard to rank nilou teams because there's too much "it depends" lol

But Nilou+Nahida core with either kokomi+collei or yaoyao+XQ seems to be the most popular variants

DMC instead of collei for more casual play

[vivid ember]

Most teams are similar as long as you have Nilou and Nahida yeah, it's a strong enough core that after it's just variations with some benefits if you can keep a Dendro aura and have full hydro uptime

[vale scarab]

That’s unfortunate. I was attracted to the idea that its seems like the only team that used her whole kit synergistically. But theres so many dendros now i also dont wanna fall in the trap of having a million lateral teams

Prob beyond the scope of this channel, but the new dendros coming is there any expectation of improved teams or more middle teams

[vivid ember]

It's definitely not a bad team comp at all and is a nice change from Koko/barb comps so if it appeals to you definitely try it out

[vale scarab]

The trying requires me to roll on candace banners, thats the rub. I only have c0

[eternal scarab]

C0 works, C6 is just better

[vivid ember]

Yeahhhh Candace is unfortunate

[amber spindle]

I don't think bloom teams will be getting further upgrades and the ceiling will probably remain Kokomi-Collei/Nahida 3H1D for at least the forseeable future

Candace...her ult is really too short, if it lasted 15s I think Yaoyao/Candace could be really competitive

[amber spindle]

just looking at how much MHY restricts AoE off-field dendro (the best applicators remain Collei and DMC, 3.0 units) who aren't Nahida, limiting Nilou bloom is a clear priority to them

after all, no other composition benefits that much from AoE dendro

[scarlet sluice]

hey guys, are there any results on how ancient abscission works for hu tao as an artifact set?

[eternal scarab]

I haven't seen any calcs, but just from looking at it, it's not good. The set gives skill and burst dmg which isn't doing anything for HT's charged attacks, her main source of damage

[scarlet sluice]

oof, alright

i was wondering whether or not the damage would be substantial enough to be noteworthy

[eternal scarab]

it's only 50% skill and burst damage fully stacked

[covert trellis]

sub dps but you still gotta manage ER, that's the hard part, kinda like xiangling

and I keep seeing people using noblesse

but tbh, if u have nilou with BiS and nahida, they can carry alone so it doesn't matter (if the first part is true)

[pine ivy]

ATK buff in bloom teams

[clear spear]

why not instructors

[covert trellis]

Because you already have so much EM it doesnt matter the small increase

so collei and nahida dont mind the ATK buff (tho probably its for the 2p set for collei since she’s built as sub dps as well)

[eternal scarab]

vid already linked with good rundown of all options

reliably triggering instructors as a dendro while nahida is around is also a pain

[clear spear]

a small increase is still an increase

and nahida gets more value from around 6 subs worth of em than from around 4 subs worth of atk

[eternal scarab]

nahida wants crit and dmg% more than atk

[clear spear]

at that point just use emblem on collei

[covert trellis]

Not at the cost of loss stats as a 4p instructor

[eternal scarab]

emblem is one of her competing options in bloom yeah

[covert trellis]

ill link the youtube channel she probably has an explanation on her build

[eternal scarab]

https://youtu.be/Ib5OyOjIA7w

jamie is the person who maintains the nilou mains guide

[clear spear]

does collei snapshot her burst?

if she doesn't then the real comparison is between 20% atk on nahida and 20% burst damage on collei vs 20% er and however much burst dmg bonus you get from emblem on collei

[vernal skiff]

Does anyone know each state limit to avoid diminishing returns for Hu tao ?

[pine ivy]

it'd depend on what she's using abit

like for em, if she's using DBane

it'll be lower on em then ig, same for hp with homa etc ig

i think there's a thing with every average tao stats should be tho

there

[covert trellis]

Itto would be so much more fun to use if his charged attack damage worked with coordinated attacks just for the lulz, just for team flexibility

[vapid wraith]

Have the calcs been done for hp% circlet vs crit circlet on c6 vaplou? Assuming same subs

With key

[potent sphinx]

Guys, got the key, Kuki or Layla?

[pine ivy]

nice on Kuki on hb teams

or teams that'll want the em

else Layla

pure healer Kuki doesn't want the extra hp. it's just extra

shield Layla might tho

[golden aspen]

You cant really get the passive to proc since you need to be on field with kuki. So you don’t really get a lot of EM. Imo EM mainstat weapons work better.

Id use it on Layla if anything. Otherwise get Nilou lol

[fallen jetty]

Layla doesn't make use of the effect (em) too well, as Layla teams are normally mono cryo or freeze.
For kuki you can proc the effect with E+ NA1 + E tick, if you have C4, iirc

[clear ivy]

does fischl c6 coordinated attack count as skill damage? if so does it share the same ICD with oz ?

[fallen jetty]

Iirc, i has a independent ICD.

[clear ivy]

on one hand, sadge

on the other hand, she's about to do more than eula with her E drop lol

[zealous eagle]

Its shared and it counts as skill damage

[fallen jetty]

Ohhhh i imagined that it was independent. Might be remembered it wrong. Sorry for the wrong info

[fresh tundra]

Whos the better 4th member in an ayaka-kokomi-kazuha team? Layla or Ganyu?

[topaz viper]

ganyu has more dmg

[versed bison]

guys does this work like dmg% increase or is this an increase in total dps?

[zealous eagle]

dmg% increase

The time its not dmg% increase is Xingqiu

[clear ivy]

for tighnari, 2 dendro 2 electro should be the most viable right? or is there no way to get both his spread and fischl A4 going on consistently

[pulsar python]

it's possible to have consistent fischl A4s even when tighnari is on-field in certain 2 electro solo dendro tighnari teams.

still, fischl a4 is not so important to the point that it should be among the top things you consider when making a tighnari team. also even without her a4 fischl is still strong enough to find her place in 2 dendro tighnari teams

[clear ivy]

I mean

It's not that she's crucial

It's moreso that i cherish my fischl a lot more than a tighnari i randomly pulled on 30 pity while getting fischl consts

So like yeah i wanna spend a couple weeks with tighnari and maximize his potential just to make him interesting but i hope to land that compromise

[clear ivy]

Let me guess, these certain teams involve yae?

[pulsar python]

indeed. additionally it's either a sucrose or kazuha as the last party member who supply additional electro

[pulsar python]

yeah from fischl's pov her a4s are very important, but for tighnari teams in general, it's not that important

so it depends on who you wanna focus on ig

[clear ivy]

hmmmge

i do have me a kazuha

not yae tho

i will have to get her next rerun i guess

what about c6 fischl, does she change the dynamics of electro application in such teams?

[pulsar python]

if you want strong tighnari teams i'd recommend her. yae is considered to be tighnari's best teammate

[pulsar python]

in terms of application, i dont think it matters apart from the 2s extra oz duration. in terms of dmg it matters a bit if you weave in NAs with yae/suc

[clear ivy]

interesting

[pulsar python]

when you're NAing in tighnari teams you'd be doing that with either yae or sucrose, who already apply their own electro or trigger fischl a4 to apply electro, so the fischl C6 effect doesnt matter for electro application

[clear ivy]

i see

well, that means yae is still the main plan

i'm at a point in the endgame where i don't mind going out of my way for a random 5*

and i do need me a hyperinvested second team

oh shit

i was facechecking 5* artifacts to see if one of them pops double crit, but apparently i ran out of 4* artifacts and the game dumped all my purple elixirs into a level 0 flower

[pulsar python]

[clear ivy]

i would've been devastated if this rolled full ER or something since i lost 25 purple potions

suppose i ran tighnari fischl yae sucrose/kazuha , how good is elegy on that team?

i know KQM says it's anywheere between 2% better than slingshot and the second best weapon depending on the team

i imagine it should be quite valuable with fischl and yae liking her atk buff?

[pulsar python]

yeah. as solo dendro you burst every other rot with tighnari; otherwise the er reqs are simply too high. elegy should cover all your needs while buffing the team.

the buff wont be active every rotation tho, and i dont think it's very valuable

but likely your best option nontheless

[clear ivy]

yeah hunters is impossible