・genshin-spoilers

[golden sluice]

we had two patches with 5*s right?

[weak snow]

Hm interesting

.0 , .3

[surreal dome]

Yes

[weak snow]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

and Natlan basically has

the same amount of 5*s

right?

[surreal dome]

Yes

[golden sluice]

so there should be only two patches with two 5*s in Nod Krai

if there is three isntead

[surreal dome]

For now its the same

[golden sluice]

one of the patches after 6.3

[surreal dome]

.0 and .3

[golden sluice]

won't have a five star at all

yea

so I don't think there will be another double 5* patch after 6.3

6.4 Varka

[surreal dome]

Actually true

[golden sluice]

6.5 Snegurochka

[surreal dome]

Or the patch just stop at 6.7

[golden sluice]

6.6 6.7 6.8 Nicole Alice Sandrone

[weak snow]

6.3 Bina + horse girl + four star
6.4 varka
6.5 Nicole
6.6 Alice
6.7 sandrone

[golden sluice]

nah I just counted it

6 4*s

and 11 5*s

means everyone we know of

[surreal dome]

Its either alice or nicole should get kicked

For

The sneg lady

[golden sluice]

is playable and Rerir isn't

unless there's 12 5*s

[weak snow]

Hm I think that's pretty likely ngl

[surreal dome]

Honestly i still really dont believe for playable alice rn

[weak snow]

I can see hoyo saving one of them for later

Same

[surreal dome]

If she or nicole get kicked

[weak snow]

Playable Alice sounds a bit too good in krai

[surreal dome]

Means the only place for release is 6.8

6.8 is usually an introduction for next major patch

Idt alice or nicole fit that role

[weak snow]

I think Alice would be like skirk personally . 2nd major push of a region .

But not in krai

[golden sluice]

wasnt's she included

in those portraits

when the trailer dropped

[surreal dome]

Yes but

Capitano is also dropped

You mean the twitter one right

[golden sluice]

yes but he wasn't in those portraits iirc

[surreal dome]

Really?

[weak snow]

She was but like do we really think devs would give us

Columbina sandrone varka durin in the same region with two hexin members

[weak snow]

She was

Infact I belive she and Bina were together

[golden sluice]

yes

I remember him not being included yes

[surreal dome]

No i mean capitano

[weak snow]

Oh

No capitano didn't have one

Like the rest of the natlan cast

[surreal dome]

Hmmmm

[golden sluice]

yep

[surreal dome]

Do they will just cut 1 4*

And replace it with 5*

[golden sluice]

im getting cooked in that case ngl

[surreal dome]

Because the character release count never changed through out the whole game

[weak snow]

I mean tbf genshin and hoyo in general don't like sticking to patterns alot

[golden sluice]

wait

we know all the 5*s atp guys

after Varka

[surreal dome]

Yeah but the current pattern is still in place, so it has some reliability still

[golden sluice]

Snegurochka, Sandrone, Alice, Nicole

[weak snow]

Tru

[golden sluice]

we know them all

there's no reason

to get another 5*

[surreal dome]

The problem is only

1 of them need to be at 6.8

Which is usually

[golden sluice]

maybe it's Sandrone?

she's a Fatuus after all

[surreal dome]

An introduction for next major patch, but none of them fit that beside maybe sandrone

[surreal dome]

Sandrone character id doesnt support it

[golden sluice]

nvm she's not the 17th char

ye

[weak snow]

I think the last patch of the region fits sandrone the best .

If the horse girl is lunar crystallize . It's best sandrone sticks to the gimmic of shenznaya

[bright shard]

Sandrone and snegu are the only that fit that role

[craggy mist]

Sandrone 5-star lunar geo support, trust

[weak snow]

Wait she's not ?

[craggy mist]

she's 15

[golden sluice]

yes

[weak snow]

Oh that makes things messy ..

[craggy mist]

135 ???
134 ???
133 Marionette 👈
132 ???
131 Unknown Lady
130 ???
129 ???
128 Varka
127 ??? (Illuga)
126 ??? (Celadon Mare)
125 The Damselette
124 Jahoda "Windthreading Shadow"
123 Durin
122 Nefer "Secret Beneath the Sands"
121 Aino "Clinky-Clank Gadgets-A-Gogo"
120 Flins "Shadowy Lights, Stranger Wights"
119 Lauma "Evermoon's Sacrament Song"

[surreal dome]

Yeah sandrone is the 16th

[bright shard]

You dont know that she is 15 or 16

[craggy mist]

Manekins aren't real characters, just like Aloy.

[golden sluice]

she's the 14th

[bright shard]

134 could be ⁴*

[surreal dome]

133 and ineffa start at 116 with 2 manekin after it

If you add 19 to 115 you get 134

Sandrone is 133

So she is 16th

[craggy mist]

135 ???
134 ???
133 Marionette
132 ???
131 Unknown Lady
130 ???
129 ???
128 Varka
127 ??? (Illuga)
126 ??? (Celadon Mare)
125 The Damselette
124 Jahoda "Windthreading Shadow"
123 Durin
122 Nefer "Secret Beneath the Sands"
121 Aino "Clinky-Clank Gadgets-A-Gogo"
120 Flins "Shadowy Lights, Stranger Wights"
119 Lauma "Evermoon's Sacrament Song"
118 Manekina (UGC)
117 Manekin (UGC)

[golden sluice]

isn't Sandrone the 14th

[craggy mist]

Depends on how you count the Manekins. 0, 1 or 2?

[golden sluice]

im not counting them

[craggy mist]

then she's 15.

[surreal dome]

The list start at 115

Because ineffa is 116

[golden sluice]

I think the wise choice here is to not count them at all

[surreal dome]

We get 17 character per year, +2 manekin

[craggy mist]

Ineffa is not a 6.x character

[golden sluice]

but Ineffa released in Natlan

[craggy mist]

17 per patch, not 17 per region.

[golden sluice]

we should start from 6.0

[surreal dome]

Oh wait

True

Immpepega

N

So 15

[craggy mist]

Ineffa is 17 of 5.x

[golden sluice]

nvm you're right

[surreal dome]

Yeah 15

How is the character id looks like in skirk patch

Does dahlia come after skirk or before

[golden sluice]

yep

unless there's 12 5*s

hmm

I get it actually

after all

she did appear in that teaser

which had Dottore

[surreal dome]

So sandrone 15th, new 4* 16th

And 17th is 6.8

No one fit 6.8 as of now

[golden sluice]

Alice and Varka were but

Dottore isn't

so yea

I think she should release in Snezhnaya or later anyways

[surreal dome]

Maybe playable dottore in 6.8

[wanton locust]

If the wheel is correct, should be something about Capitano after Columbina

[surreal dome]

Yo

[golden sluice]

that can't be true

[surreal dome]

Capitano resurection

[craggy mist]

135 - Welcome home to Snezhnaya, cheater.

[surreal dome]

Yes please

[golden sluice]

deadass had a dream about him coming back yesterday

🥀

it's so sus and his release is very far away

[bright shard]

Mmm maybe the 17th unit is snowland fae

[surreal dome]

Are you saying this as a lore person or as a coper

[wanton locust]

Could transfer his soul to another body and Ronova would still get the "death" she needed

[surreal dome]

[bright shard]

Its the only missing nk faction no?

[golden sluice]

it's Snegurochka if she's playable

[craggy mist]

4.8 was burning lead in, 5.8 was lunar lead in, 6.8 Tsaritsa lead-in

[surreal dome]

Maybe snez doesnt have any gimmick

Tbf

Emilie had nothing with natlan gimmick

[bright shard]

There is a unit of each faction except wildhunt

[surreal dome]

But she is for a character in natlan

[weak snow]

Maybe the .8 character is the 10th harbinger

[wanton locust]

Could be a new mechanic for Snezhnaya or they could just buff an old reaction for 7.0 main DPSes like superconduct or EM physical shatter

I feel like they can easily make an EM cryo DPS that will do crazy shatters in freeze

[surreal dome]

Maybe alice is a pyro support afterall

For 6.0 character

[wanton locust]

i feel like freeze is fine so far

[golden sluice]

ong im crashing out if Dottore's cryo

it's my least favorite element

[surreal dome]

Aint dude supposed to be hydro

[wanton locust]

Perhaps Rimegrass

[golden sluice]

honestly the element that makes sense for him is Dendro

[wanton locust]

Or even swirl

[golden sluice]

anyways at this point we know all the characters playable in Nod Krai except one who is supposedly a 4*

[bright shard]

Anemo

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean it should the inazuma guy meowtews leak talked about

[weak snow]

Cryo doesn't really have a niche up till now . It's been somewhat correlated to crit and mainly just to having enimies frozen .

Shenznaya most likely would have a completely unique niche .

I personally want summons but we all know that won't happend .

Also I bet we'll get fatui faction buffs / passives

[surreal dome]

Wait if sneg is 6.5, then legit nicole/alice is 6.6 right

[golden sluice]

how does Anemo make sense for Dottore

[wanton locust]

Who is Sneg xd

[golden sluice]

yeah and no 5* in 6.8 in that case

[weak snow]

Yes

[surreal dome]

No way i forgot about this guy

[surreal dome]

Sneg something russian name

[wanton locust]

Sneg means Snow in my language lmao

[golden sluice]

I'm inclined to not believe it but it seems the source got stuff right before

[wanton locust]

but then again my language is similar to russian so fair

[golden sluice]

I mean she's a Fae

snowland Fae

[craggy mist]

Pantalone, Arle, Tartaglia, Pierro, Pulcinella, Dottore, Sandrone and Pulonia... all will be playable. Just need 4 more.

[golden sluice]

PLEASE

that means we know every playable 6.x characters

no Rerir which is unfortunate

[wanton locust]

Pulcinella playable would be so funny

[surreal dome]

Bro they really gonna delete 1 4* for a 5*

[craggy mist]

come back in 8.x patches

[weak snow]

Rerir is probably post Celestia

[bright shard]

Being enemy of the two istaroth focused zones , color of hair ,

[golden sluice]

naw the Inazuma guy gotta be a 4*

[surreal dome]

The only way it will make sense

[golden sluice]

FUCK FACTS AND LOGIC, WE MUST MAINTAIN THE AGENDA

[golden sluice]

I can see that

[wanton locust]

Is it 100% that the Liyue Celadon Mare is 5*

[surreal dome]

Yes

Kokomi leak her to be lunar crystalize dps with a 4* support

[golden sluice]

what they said and he's a parallel of the Dendro archon too

[surreal dome]

For all we know kokomi never wrong

[weak snow]

Idk man I just feel like he fits the vibe of a standard 5

[golden sluice]

oh I deadass forgot about that 😭

[wanton locust]

geo 5 star?

[surreal dome]

Yes

[golden sluice]

I can see that but only 5 4*s is rough

[weak snow]

One less anemo catalyst sustain for nod krai . Doesn't sound that bad

[craggy mist]

Again, if I was making Khaenri'ah, I'd have the Atlas of the New World get used and bring in not only Dain but the 500 years ago versions of Thrain, Rerir, Surtalogi, Rhinedottir, Hroptatyr, Vedrfolnir, etc.

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean jokes aside I can see Rerir going on a journey or something after 6.6 and we meet him again in Snez patches or something and then he becomes playable

[craggy mist]

Have another Crimson Moon oomfie somewhere too.

[golden sluice]

something like Skirk ig

[craggy mist]

Easily filling out those 17 slots.

[surreal dome]

Is prime thrain beating the sinner

Pls give back my goat

[golden sluice]

copies of them being playable sucks ass but hoyo would do it

[golden sluice]

I want him with the mask

his design is cool

masks are so fucking cool why doesn't hoyo release characters who wear masks

[weak snow]

I feel like other then dain all just feel like post Celestia characters

[craggy mist]

They've done it before they'll do it again.

every playable Fire Moth is a copy.

[golden sluice]

wait those are their copies being playable? I thought it's them 🥀

[golden sluice]

LAAAAAAME

[weak snow]

Actually never mind well probably get the flame chasers of genshin post Celestia

[craggy mist]

it's the memories. it's them but it's not.

[surreal dome]

Rerir gonna be a good guy and fight against the other sinner

But that will took sometime

[golden sluice]

remember, we still don't know yet why he yelled Rhinedottir, I think there's more to his story that can be explored even after Nod Krai

[craggy mist]

Ley Lines work EXACTLY the same as the Elysian Realm

[golden sluice]

🥀

I hate the concept

of making copies of characters playable

instead of the characters themselves

[craggy mist]

Fire Moth other than Kevin were all dead anyway so uhhhh

[golden sluice]

yeah I know

[wanton locust]

Are there any clues about whether Liyue will get buffs like Mondstadt just got

[craggy mist]

not yet, people are just assuming it because Liyue gets more content every year.

This year seems unlikely cause the Liyue character is Lunar

[golden sluice]

there's nothing in 6.3 that's for sure

[weak snow]

I feel like dottore would be a test version to see how fans precieve that

[golden sluice]

if there was I'm sure they would've talked about it

already

it's still two more days till beta after all

[golden sluice]

don't mainfest it

manifest*

[weak snow]

I mean I feel like that's the only likely option. Too popular to be killed , too evil to be playable

[surreal dome]

Why cant we get evil playable character

[weak snow]

Well probably get dottore but a completely different character just disguises as dottore

[golden sluice]

not related to Snez perse, just something like Skirk, it seems he has a beef to settle with Rhinedottir after all

[surreal dome]

I really want an evil dottore

[weak snow]

Idk man . If any thing cookie run kingdom has taught me is that the playable villains are just better .

[craggy mist]

Omega Dottore dies, Alpha Dottore that is a segment from before he killed all those children playable.

[golden sluice]

Dottore's popular? most of the fandom wants him dead

[golden sluice]

ikr

[weak snow]

You would be suprised to see dottore mains and fatui mains lol

[golden sluice]

the notes say mf been doing since his teenage years 😭

[golden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-9455237177133266270

[craggy mist]

Sandrone never cut out that man's tongue. She's just a little guy. And it's her birthday.

Sandrone was like the most unhinged before she actually showed up

[golden sluice]

them ignoring that pmo so much I thought she'd be fucked up

[weak snow]

It's just so ironic how we have the fatui harbingers and then we have dottore .... Like they could not be more different

[craggy mist]

Like yes, Alrecchino and Sandrone kill and torture men. But those men all sucked. ✨

slay queens.

https://tenor.com/view/arlecchino-genshinimpact-father-hoyoverse-fatui-gif-1769652855127441240

[golden sluice]

they're using him as the scapegoat

probably both him and Pierro

maybe Pulcinella too but he must be playable considering he appeared in the travail teaser

[weak snow]

They have tea parties so they already have bonus points 💅

[weak snow]

Na I bet he will die

No one is pulling for pucinella

[golden sluice]

dude

ME?

I WILL

[weak snow]

Unless the playable form is something completely different then what we were shown

[golden sluice]

NO I WANT HIS OG DESIGN

[weak snow]

Yeah that won't happend

Bursts your bubble*

[craggy mist]

playable Dottore:

[golden sluice]

I know

but I wish it does

[golden sluice]

blorbo

[weak snow]

I am sorry but I just don't think he'd a profitable enough character . Also alongside pantalone he's probably the most shallow harbinger rn . Every other one has some hype

[golden sluice]

Sandrone had no hype pre Nod Krai

now look at her

you'd be surprised how fast people switch up

[weak snow]

Yeah but at the same time I feel like sandrone had a very unique character design and the whole Katherine theory going ok for her .

Plus she's the main harbinger of nod krai ( not counting Bina )

I doubt pantalone or pucinella would have that big of a role .

Pretty sure pantalone doesn't even have a vision

[golden sluice]

neither does Sandrone

and

the last part true but for the first

[weak snow]

But isn't pantalone just a human as well ?

[golden sluice]

are you forgetting the fact Pantalone has the whole northland bank thing about him?

and Pulcinella has ties to Tartaglia

they both got things going for them too

[golden sluice]

yea but that's a non issue

they can just give him a vision

[weak snow]

Yeah he has that going for him I can see some deeper ties for him after shenznaya main story

[weak snow]

I don't think thats enough for him sadly tho

[weak snow]

True

[golden sluice]

he's in the travail trailer tho

I think that's as good as any other confirmation

[weak snow]

That trailer would be 7 years ago by that time tho also he was the only character whose face wasn't shown which means he may have looked completely different

But we'll see

Hoyo had always been unpredictable

[craggy mist]

Iansan did happen though

they have kept the promise so far

https://tenor.com/view/iansan-genshin-impact-genshin-iansan-run-gif-508147390055142663

[golden sluice]

yep, everyone in travail is playable

but you're right about one thing, they can change his playable design

hoyo has no shame

when it comes to profit

[weak snow]

That's for sure

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean yo can I ask a favor

I don't want to spoil the story for myself

by looking at the leaks when preload drops

just tell me if Dottore is appearing or not

yes I won't check

but can you tell me if Dottore's appearing or not?

I just wanna know to not get disappointed mid quest

[weak snow]

Whose supposed to be the 6.3 world boss ? Dottore right ?

[golden sluice]

weekyl boss but yes

[weak snow]

Yeah hmm

I feel like dottore would probably make a short appearance at the end of the quest

If he had major ties he would have been in the Livestream

[golden sluice]

maybe they're hiding him

after all they've been avoiding his name

for the past two patches

[weak snow]

I do hope it doesnt effect the stories pacing cause krai has been really good so far it would be a shame if the ending is rushed

[golden sluice]

same, him being a weekly boss during his first NK appearance would be lame

[weak snow]

Ye

I do wanna say I cope that Nicole and Alice appearing now also has to do something with dottore

🤞

[golden sluice]

same, I want him to be involved in the whole thing so bad but he probably isn't

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean nvm im too excited to not see the preload leaks 🥀

isn't it like

in uhhh

7 hours

[slender haven]

Where are they located?

Probably yeah
Or maybe Israel

[golden sluice]

I hope that's not the case

other sources will post other stuff tho

doesn't homdgcat have a backload of the story too

[slender haven]

Hypothetically speaking could I just pull up the files on my own lol

[golden sluice]

I mean

do it

why not

do us all a favor

[slender haven]

I don't really know how to browse through files but I could try lol

[golden sluice]

do u guys check out the story from the preload?

huh

thought he does

must be ukraine

[slender haven]

Yeah so probably Ukraine
I got family over there too so I feel for them

[golden sluice]

aight I'll check it out with you

if im awake

yea it's 10 am rn

I MEAN PM

10pm

it gets released around 5am for me ig?

but the ambr upload happens how many hours after preload releases?

[slender haven]

Yeah I don't really keep up with that conflict
But we probably shouldn't talk about it here lol

[golden sluice]

hmm

oo Durin voiceliens too

😭

I need leaks

I need to see

preload has the three unknown tall female characters too

playable asmoday?

oh

Linnea

thought she'd be a short female

ig so it can be Linnea yea

yes

the three names you mentioned

are the most reasonable to expect honestly

why is bro manifesting this 🥀

😭

Rerir was way too convincing bro

I really thought it was her

that's if she's still alive 🥀

😭

the bar is so so low

https://tenor.com/view/dottore-genshin-dottore-zandik-plushie-gif-4793936979767632935

Yakuza and Dottore in one gif

so peak

im stealing that

https://tenor.com/view/dottore-webttore-il-dottore-dottore-true-dottore-genshin-true-gif-6715713237457940724

I deadass love the Webttore design

I wish he appears in game someway or another

🥀

real

would be a waste

if the guy whose whole shtick having many versions of himself

doesn't have more than one design

🥀

what are the chances the Dottore we're meeting in NK is not the Omega segment

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-solid-snake-not-metal-gear-solid-gif-14480942659066849172

Let's add three to the count

[golden sluice]

still procrastinating playing the second game

well planning to finish the zero escape third game then start the second MGS game

[slender haven]

I wanna play them eventually

[golden sluice]

first game sucked 😭

I only did it for the story

[slender haven]

Damn

[golden sluice]

but I was told the second game is better

[golden sluice]

it's an old game tbf

[slender haven]

I hear they remade the first one though didn't they

Way back
Not recently

[golden sluice]

deadass? must be very recent because my huge MGS friends told me to play the first one from ps1

[slender haven]

All I know is that Kojima intentionally told the animators to make the new animations comically over the top

[golden sluice]

a very kojima thing to do

im procrastinating a lot of games

[slender haven]

https://tenor.com/view/hideo-kojima-mgs-rocket-metal-gear-idkguyidk-gif-6710607785251356347

[golden sluice]

silksong, mgs games, hotline miami and the third zero escape game 🥀

[slender haven]

Yeah so am I kinda
I'm getting back into Nightreign as preparation for the DLC coming up

[slender haven]

Silksong and Hotline Miami is gas

[golden sluice]

so I've heard

I love hollow knight so much

I finished it all even the

[slender haven]

Yeah I finished both games a bunch of times

Will probably go for all achievements in Silksong one day

[golden sluice]

I forgot the name

[golden sluice]

is it harder

than hollow knight

I've seen people say it's harder

[analog merlin]

Honestly, there could be a reason why Childe was not only put in the Eleventh Seat, but never given an audience to the Tsaritsa. Again, just my copium, but I still think Rochka is the Tsaritsa in her heyday.

[slender haven]

Yeah
Kicked me ass on my first playthrough and I consider myself pretty goated at the first game

Now I've mastered a little more but the first playthrough beat my shit in

[golden sluice]

that's even better

but I have to finish the other games I mentioned first

[slender haven]

If you like Metroidvanias you should play the Blasphemous games
Very good games, different from HK though

[golden sluice]

if they're similar to HK then yes I'd like to play it

oh different

how so

there's no way he didn't meet her if he's a harbinger

he's like top 11 people in the nation assuming there's no 10th harbinger

[slender haven]

The movement is less flexible
Slower at least
But it has a lot of customization, especially in the second game

[golden sluice]

hmm I gotta check a playthrough

to decide

do you like visual novels

[slender haven]

Not particularly
I've played Danganronpa and Phoenix Wright though

[golden sluice]

oh I miss Danganronpa

the second one was my favorite

[slender haven]

I never got to finishing the third game lol
It wasn't bad I was just burnt out
I have difficulty playing games in the same franchise back to back

[golden sluice]

fair enough, i'm the opposite tho

I like to finish them all at once

if you like Danganronpa tho

you will LOVE zero escape

zero escape's story

is a masterpiece im not even exaggerating

[slender haven]

Sonic The Hedgehog has an official visual novel and it's legitimately cinema

Haven't heard of Zero Escape though

[golden sluice]

yea it's not that popular

but anyone who gets into VNs

specifically the ones with a similar setting to Danganronpa

knows how good Zero Escape is

[slender haven]

I've heard of another similar Danganronpa type game that's apparently a lot darker
Idr what it's called though

[golden sluice]

uhhhhhh I know a lot but somehow I'm not remembering the names currently

you should finish V3 btw

I love it

it's pretty good

[slender haven]

It's been like 4 years since I've been into Danganronpa lol
But I'll probably get to it eventually

[golden sluice]

I know a friend who's the same as you

she's been playing the second game for 4 or 5 years now

🥀

[slender haven]

Damn

[golden sluice]

thankfully I finished them all within a month back in 2019

I even played ultra despair girls

the one doesn't have the same gameplay are the rest

[slender haven]

Yeah I know
I played it

[golden sluice]

oh that's quite rare

a lot of the community

skips it

for some reason

[slender haven]

Tis the fate of many a weird spin off
They either become the top of the series or the weird black sheep of the franchise

[golden sluice]

unfortunate, if only people gave it a chance they'd know that it's actually pretty good

[slender haven]

Yeah, I liked the story

[golden sluice]

I know the first game started it all but it's my least favorite one

[slender haven]

Yeah probably has the worst cast ngl

The cut stuff is interesting though and how the game changed in development

[golden sluice]

been a while since I saw them so not sure honestly

which game is your favorite tho

[slender haven]

Probably the second one ig

[golden sluice]

same

[slender haven]

Though I like the setting of the first one more

And I haven't played the third one so I can't rank it

[golden sluice]

I can see why

[golden sluice]

don't know how to describe it

it's better to see it for yourself

[slender haven]

I remember it being more claustrophobic and engaging

[golden sluice]

yes feels more closed off than the second one

[slender haven]

I kinda know a lot of the twists already ngl

[golden sluice]

do you know the ending?

[slender haven]

Sorta

[golden sluice]

oof

I hope it's not what I have in mind

that ending really really works way better when you know nothing about it

also some of the twists during each kill were pretty nice

[slender haven]

I've never been really bugged by spoilers so I don't mind

[golden sluice]

usually same but those stories kinda get ruined

[slender haven]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

when you know the ending

💔

you know

that's also one more reason

why I loved zero escape so much

it's not that popular so I didn't get spoiled about naything

I only got spoiled twice cz I looked up something to help me with a puzzle

by the AI overview in the browser

[slender haven]

Thankfully I went through most of Silksong without getting spoiled lol
Though towards the end I looked some stuff up to find all the secrets

And I didn't really care atp

[golden sluice]

for some reason

despite a lot of people posting about it

I didn't get spoiled at all

[slender haven]

I had to prune my YouTube recommendations to try and prevent spoilers lol

[golden sluice]

my youtube is full of genshin and yakuza stuff so even on release day I didn't get anything

[slender haven]

Worst comes to worst I just start listening exclusively to music on YouTube

[golden sluice]

relatable

I'd like to do the same thing to genshin

but I always get tempted and look at the preload stuff myself

especially hard when you're a Dottore fan and afraid he'll die

💔

[slender haven]

I'm a Capitano fan
Nothing can hurt me anymore

https://tenor.com/view/reze-chainsaw-man-csm-stare-anime-rain-gif-17751007222649062258

[golden sluice]

I'm a fan of all the harbingers and the Fatui so I can relate

tho Capitano fans annoyed the hell out of me last year

🥀

did you see them on reddit

[slender haven]

Imma be real here Dottore fans have been on my nerves lately

[golden sluice]

really? why?

[slender haven]

I used a Reddit a little back when his death first went down
But that's about it

[slender haven]

His fans have been putting down the other Harbingers a lot lately since they "aren't as valuable to the cause as him"

[golden sluice]

every patch there's like a lot of posts talking about how Capitano is coming back next patch and is playable 🥀

[slender haven]

That's just copium for the memes though

[golden sluice]

nah you didn't see it

they've been annoying a lot on both the sub and the FatuiHQ sub

[slender haven]

The Capitano mains sub is pretty chill in my experience

[golden sluice]

oh I personally think he's the most valuable one out of them but I do think Tartaglia, Pantalone and Signora are pretty goated too

but I still love all the harbingers

[slender haven]

Pierro is the most valuable though honestly

Since he's the leader and all

[golden sluice]

idk what to think about Columbina tho tbh, I don't like the direction they went with but I still have some hope

[golden sluice]

true but there's nothing else so far tbh

[golden sluice]

it was a lot worse last year

and

they made FatuiHQ a lot more toxic

[slender haven]

Yeah she's pretty boring so far ngl

Literally every other Nod-Krai character has been better

[golden sluice]

honestly my least favorite NK character has been Nefer

[slender haven]

Idk she's alright
At least they tried to give her backstory a bit of an edge

[golden sluice]

ig so but she only came off as a hypocrite for me

[slender haven]

Should have gone a step further though imo
Like just throw a kid in the background of one of the tribes she destroyed

[golden sluice]

which is tbf more interesting than what they did with Columbina

[golden sluice]

exactly

[slender haven]

She kinda admits that though
Literally says that the soul of a liar is worthless

[golden sluice]

huh

she did?

in that case I'm mistaken, I thought she was calling herself better than Rerir

[slender haven]

If she got a character quest one of the survivors of the tribes trying to get revenge would be good

[golden sluice]

maybe she'd be more interesting for me in that case

I wonder is this just it for Columbina

do you like Sandrone

[slender haven]

Yeah

[golden sluice]

how did I miss this hard bro

[slender haven]

Yeah I do

She's cool

[golden sluice]

ok I changed my opinion about Nefer 😭 😭

[golden sluice]

I liked her more in 6.0 than 6.1

[slender haven]

Yeah but they're saving her spotlight for when she becomes playable I bet

[slender haven]

Happens to the best of us ig

[golden sluice]

I also don't like her relationship with Columbina unlike most other people

for me she was at her best in 6.0 when she was an antagonistic force

well

a bit of an antagonistic force

[slender haven]

The yuri fans have been desperate I guess

[golden sluice]

why tho 😭

every female character in NK has been paired with another

Ineffa Jahoda

Nefer Lauma

Columbina Sandrone

[slender haven]

Better than Natlan I guess
The only one there was probably like Mavuika and Xilonen but even then it wasn't very popular

Natlan was a tough time for everyone though

[golden sluice]

real

[slender haven]

The men enjoyers
The Fatui enjoyers
The Yuri enjoyers
The Yaoi enjoyers
The good story enjoyers
Shit was rough

[golden sluice]

I'm the second ✌️

[slender haven]

Same

[golden sluice]

I hope we see more of Sandrone alone and being herself

being more

"Fatui"

ig

[slender haven]

I'm still expecting some twist that Pulonia is something important

[golden sluice]

I don't like the end when she the traveler got into the base and started talking with her casually

🥀

[slender haven]

Would be cool if he was Alain somehow but probably not

[golden sluice]

that would be interesting but i'm not expecting much

[slender haven]

Had to mansplain the Narzissenkreuz quests for people who don't do the WQs🥀

Can only imagine how much they're going to yap when they explain Kukulkan's backstory in the main quests

[golden sluice]

do they have a reason to do it

[slender haven]

Reason for what

[golden sluice]

to explain his backstory

[slender haven]

Not right now but they've been trying to make the lore more important to the main quests lately and Kukulkan is pretty essential for Natlan's lore

[golden sluice]

fair enough

we'll see

[slender haven]

Yeah, hopefully we get the Mare Jivari this chapter

[golden sluice]

I'm a biased Fatui fan so I just hope they give justice to the rest of the harbingers

[golden sluice]

Enjou focus? would be peak

[slender haven]

God I hope so
I have a huge theory about him I've been meaning to type up

[golden sluice]

what is it

[slender haven]

I think he's the Lavawalker
And I think the Lavawalker is the Pyro Sovereign reincarnation

So I think Enjou is the Pyro Sovereign unironically

[golden sluice]

huh

I mean

[slender haven]

I mean if you read the Lavawalker artifact descriptions it says he was completely immune to fire and was also immortal
Something is going on there

[golden sluice]

I was about to ask you

what's the lavawalker about again cz last time I've read it was in 2021

but i'll read it myself later

[slender haven]

A sage in the Mare Jivari who was somehow able to walk amongst its fires completely unharmed
He was banished by the local tribe (Now we know they were the Muratans who remained in Natlan) to leave and wander into the Mare Jivari forever
His followers couldn't find him anymore but he was still alive and lived at least 100 years afterwards as a hermit
And going off how the Mare Jivari works, probably got trasnported throughout time

And now we know he's probably Enjou since he gives us one of the Lavawalker's artifacts and directly quotes him and mentions having a familiarity with the area

Enjou is now searching for his mysterious "homeland" in the Mare Jivari

[golden sluice]

oh

dude

isn't the fact he gave us one of the artifacts

is a soft confirmation?

unless he's one of the followers

[slender haven]

Pretty much
Also his pfp calls him "the scholar who once walked the Mare Jivari"

[golden sluice]

ok yea it's him 🥀

he's deadass gonna be playable isn't he

[slender haven]

I really hope so
He's voiced by Dio you know

[golden sluice]

💀

no fucking way

in jp right?

[slender haven]

Eng

[golden sluice]

oh

who in jp

lemme check

[golden sluice]

his jp va is Joseph 🥀

[slender haven]

Really? I don't see that

[golden sluice]

same but he is apparently

let me make sure

[slender haven]

Varka's JP VA is Joseph Joestar though

[golden sluice]

nvm you're right

his jp va is not popular

he's not popular at all actually

[slender haven]

Yeah he hasn't been in any super big roles
His ENG VA has been in a bunch of stuff though lol

[golden sluice]

weird

I hope he's playable anyways

I love Enjou

since 2.4

[slender haven]

Yeah I do too

He can shapeshift too so it won't be hard to explain giving him a playable form

[golden sluice]

true

I doubt that's even his real form

the human one

[analog merlin]

Remind me how Joseph May and David Menkin are friends again.

[slender haven]

Yeah he isn't even Inazuman so he'll look different

[golden sluice]

yeah

I hope we Mare Jivari

in NK

patches

[split wolf]

Depends on how fast the data will be sent
I'm trying to work as fast as possible, but preprocessing takes time

[golden sluice]

oh ok thank you

which site are you using?

I mean

[split wolf]

I also have power outages now, but hopefully they won't be today

[golden sluice]

site are you moderating ig?

wait

YOU'RE THE AMBR DEV?

[split wolf]

Ambr/Yatta ofc zdd

Yeah

[golden sluice]

I didn't expect meeting you here honestly that's why im surprised

[split wolf]

I'm not active now cause I have some stuff to do, but I'm noting stuff that people ask
If you have any questions or suggestions — ping

[golden sluice]

okay okay thank you so much for your work

[split wolf]

Also I'm always watching if someone mentions my work xdd

[golden sluice]

I didn't know you were in the server tbh

[split wolf]

Thank you for using it

Oh I was here since a long ago

[golden sluice]

thank you for the site, I always used it since like

2021

and to calculate the resources

for characters

[split wolf]

Yay

[golden sluice]

I only started talking here recently so I didn't know 🥀

thank you for your work again

[split wolf]

It's ok
Have fun!!!!!
Hopefully I'll update everything today as usual and as intended

[golden sluice]

okay! thanks, I'm looking forward to it

goodluck

also didn't know you made yatta too

I also used it when I was playing hsr

[split wolf]

I planned to update it later, after finishing my new project

Yatta is basically Ambr on a better framework xdd

[golden sluice]

honestly

I prefer ambr

[split wolf]

Well, it doesn't have all the features

But framework (VUE3) is more stable

[golden sluice]

what are the missing features

[split wolf]

Tech stuff

[golden sluice]

fair enough

[split wolf]

Some categories

Like monsters

[golden sluice]

ohh okay I get it

didn't notice them

tbh

[split wolf]

It's ok

Now time to lay down and wait

Have good day!!!!!

[golden sluice]

you too thanks!

I'm looking forward to your work when the preload drops

goodluck

[split wolf]

Yeah, I'll be sure to notify about it on #・lore-basement

[golden sluice]

alrighty thanks a lot

[slender haven]

Everyone quick act shocked

I understand

Rerir gonna have a fun time now that Columbina's there too again

Also The Traveler getting their ass beat, again

Lol

But I thought the leaks showed Dottore didn't have any lines in the new quests?

Does he just not speak or something?

Ok

Hm, more Varka crumbs I hope

I knew that

Shittiest descender ever

First Descender: Artificial robot God establishing The Matrix
Second Descender: Primordial Monad Dragon King corrupted by Space Rabies
Third Descender: Literally just Jesus
Fourth Descender: Biggest fraud in extsitence

[distant citrus]

So it's columbina after all?

Hmm the game did tell us that already but the way it did made sense to believe otherwise
Well I guess there wasn't any secret person after all

[golden sluice]

goddamn that seems epic

can't believe it was her real name fr

Sandrone and Arlecchino can't be real bro 🥀

also

where are the unknown 3 tall girl models?

weird

does this mean she's in the same place as Rerir now

I did

just wanted to not be mistaken

now we know how's he coming back

Columbina and Rerir going at it rn on the other side of the gate

also is Alice actually not playable?

in NK at least

for sure 😭

that's so weird no?

she was in the portrais

so so weird

then who's taking her place

dude

Rerir chances got higher

unless that Inazuman's a 5*

just thought of something

err

how can Dottore stop time

hmm

[slender haven]

Rerir to Columbina rn:

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-broly-frieza-broly-dbz-super-gif-20632868

[golden sluice]

that's deadass how im imagining it too 😭 😭

[slender haven]

Yeah bros it's over for her just cut our losses now

[golden sluice]

eh something will save her

definitely

[slender haven]

Varka will trust me

[golden sluice]

😭

that's so funny

imagine escaping from Dottore just to get stuck with Rerir

hell to super hell ahh

[slender haven]

So The Moons controlled time as well?
That helps an argument I was in with someone the other day

[golden sluice]

also does this confirm all the gates lead to the same place?

[slender haven]

Yeah
Phanes plagiarized them lmfao

Also adult Rene design, sick

It's the little things

[golden sluice]

yes it was leaked since the beta started

[slender haven]

It was in the datamine

[golden sluice]

wonder why Tholindis and Rerir got shredded and Columbina didn't then

[slender haven]

Two of them aren't moons
One is a moon

[golden sluice]

fair enough

there's also the fact the background was different in the opened moon portals right?

[slender haven]

Also holy shit Hoyoverse be doing ANYTHING but reveal what Deshret actually looked like 😭

Stop depicting him as that fuck ass star

[golden sluice]

bro is not getting out of the jail

then what happened to them

[slender haven]

That's my theory

Or something

They gotta be hiding his design for a reason

[golden sluice]

no offense guys

but I hope this theory is wrong

[slender haven]

Also Capitano is mentioned in Venti's quest
A nothing burger, again

https://tenor.com/view/reze-chainsaw-man-csm-stare-anime-rain-gif-17751007222649062258

[golden sluice]

that line was said in the livetsream already yeah

[slender haven]

Could the "distant past" be Rotwang in this case or am I tweaking?

[slender haven]

Why

"THEN, 500 years ago the whole of Teyvat sufffered-"

So two separate instances

Either that or Nibelung's return

[golden sluice]

I prefer it more when human characters are able to do all this, him being a Deshrer reincarnation really makes him a lot less special for me

apparenly

apparently

top ambr updated

i mean ambr top

[slender haven]

That ain't really the point of Dottore's character though
Cap's thing is about the indomitable human spirit and what not while Dottore uses every dirty trick to get ahead

[desert wedge]

jahoda not the slur ...

[golden sluice]

isn't that also human in itself

[slender haven]

Yeah, like how Deshret and his technology is rejected by the Akademiya

[slender haven]

Yeah but him having some god-like force propelling him would also be fitting in this instance

Wait Wanderer was made from Irminsul parts?

[golden sluice]

I can see why, I'm just biased for Dottore that I want him to be human, I've also always loved the theme of humanity getting strong enough to oppose fate and gods with their own efforts

[golden sluice]

is this the first time they say this cz I don't ever remember them mentioning such a thing about him

[slender haven]

I think so

[golden sluice]

no way bro

[slender haven]

Yeah but Dottore is kind of a horrible person, he's kind of a message against rising up against the gods in that way

So The HP killed the Moons then

[golden sluice]

which makes me even more of a fan of him being a human tbh

wait what

why did HP do that

to the moons

[slender haven]

But Nicole says Nibelung "weaponized" the Moons and then The HP killed them in their fight

[golden sluice]

oh

the HP did destroy the moons

two of them

[slender haven]

Yeah but he weaponized them apparently

[golden sluice]

@ashen ocean read this

🥀

expected as much tbh

Arle and Sandrone can't be real bro 😭

how are you spilling state secrets to ourside parties

[desert wedge]

cut the cameras ...

[golden sluice]

that much was known yeah but it's nice we got a verbal confirmation

[desert wedge]

im in ur walls hoyo PLEASE let hat guy go

[slender haven]

Wait Dottore is in the moon's reflection too?
Bro is FUCKED

[golden sluice]

they're not letting that go 🥀

[golden sluice]

wait wtf for real?

[slender haven]

Both Columbina and Dottore disappeared

[golden sluice]

oh

I think he's fine for now

he must've made preparations against it

there's no way he'd throw himself in the moon gate like that

right

right*

yeah

so

did she tell Dottore to come back or not

[slender haven]

Columbina threw both of them in

[golden sluice]

yeah but Arle said he returned at the Tsaritsa'a orders

[slender haven]

Yeah but only one clone had the powers of the Moons

[golden sluice]

oh ok

he's fucked

🤡

[slender haven]

Crackpot theory: The weekly boss is actually going to be some hellish fusion of Columbina and Dottore

[golden sluice]

that

would certainly be something

but I think hoyo's isn't brave enough to do that

[slender haven]

It would
Both "Columbina weekly boss" and "Dottore weekly boss" fans would be appeased lol

[golden sluice]

real

our question would have an answer in a few hours if they leak

the thing

the beta

like they did the last two betas

[slender haven]

No good Varka crumbs though sadly 😔
But I have faith in my goat

We still have to know what his fucking expedition was for

[golden sluice]

deadass forgot about the expedition

[slender haven]

We don't know where his expedition originally was yet
Probably Hyperborea though

[golden sluice]

DUDE

they uploaded

a Dottore picture

in the leak subreddit

@ashen ocean

why the fuck does he have the Iridescent moon marrow

[slender haven]

Mavuika is getting screen time in the Event god damn it

[golden sluice]

is that bad or good

[slender haven]

Fucking hell

Bad, for me

Not even a droplet of Capitano lore

https://tenor.com/view/i-should-buy-a-gun-and-end-it-all-metal-gear-jetstream-sam-george-metal-gear-rising-gif-25035861

[slender haven]

Still has the chipmunk cheeks

[golden sluice]

chill

ntm on my goat

was hoping they tweak his model

[slender haven]

They will when he becomes playable
if he becomes playable

[golden sluice]

just let him stay a bit evil

so

[slender haven]

Why they posed up like Tenoch didn't do 99% of the work? 🥀

[golden sluice]

he stole the Iridescent moon marrow from Arlecchino

[golden sluice]

deadass 😭

putting Mavuika in the center smh

[slender haven]

Tenoch: "My entire tribe has been brutally slaughtered with 0 chance of return and now I have to sacrifice myself to bring the monster that did it to justice"

Mavuika:

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-17838646818300389894

[golden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-duck-dj-khaled-what-does-he-even-do-gif-8004262131450496811

Mavuika

deadass

[slender haven]

Mavuika fighting a Riftowolf whilst Tenoch fought THIS

[golden sluice]

goated

can't believe Bakunawa ain't a weekly boss

Bakunawa should've been the second weekly boss lowkey

in paralogism

didn't they already use materials that came from its body

my goat 🥹

why are they smiling then

[slender haven]

We'll get to fight its full form eventually probably

[slender haven]

So Mavuika could steal his feats

[golden sluice]

they wanted Tenoch dead bro look at how they're smiling 😭 😭

[slender haven]

Just replace the Spanish guy with Mavuika

[golden sluice]

did she actually

[slender haven]

The Event looks boring ngl
Just Varesa simping for a comic book character for most of it it seems like

The goats
Capitano would be proud

[golden sluice]

why are they giving state secrets casually bro Sandrone and Arlecchino are frying me

[slender haven]

Yeah, actually helps the main Mavuika theory I have lol
That the current "Mavuika" is nothing more than a storybook character brought about from 500 years worth of stories embellishing her

Shut up

[golden sluice]

which thing

Dottore or disappeared

[slender haven]

Talking about him like he's their ex or something goddamn 💀

[outer kraken]

what any leaks on how durin quest is 5 days

[golden sluice]

that would explain why she's so annoyingly perfect

where's the arrow I can't see shit bro

[slender haven]

Would unironcially make me do a 180 on her character

Would legit be cinema actually
It would parallel both Furina and Columbina's stories of finding their identities

[golden sluice]

she's deadass my most hated character in the story, if your theory's true it'll give her a bit leeway for me

[slender haven]

Lowkey don't want the Tsaritsa to be tall because both tall archon women so far have sucked ass

[golden sluice]

hmmm I agree with the statement they both sucked

but a short Tsarista is ehhh

maybe a Skirk model then yea

[slender haven]

Yeah I know
But I'm willing to make sacrifices

[golden sluice]

why was she so dismissive of Columbina

[golden sluice]

fair enough

what can I sacrifice for them to make a playable evil Dottore

[slender haven]

The NPCs posed like they main characters

Delphi Pytho????

[golden sluice]

what's Direidyth doing in dragonspine

all of them? not just the Iridescent moon?

[slender haven]

Yes, still think that Nibelung's death isn't as it seems though

Her real name or her old kingdom?

[golden sluice]

what's Nicole's vision case

hyperborean?

[slender haven]

Told me what?

Traveler will still lose every next fight

[golden sluice]

what did she do to him

[slender haven]

I knew it had unique casing

[golden sluice]

I wonder why

hyperborean vision ig

https://tenor.com/view/lie-gif-6869608978615405593

[slender haven]

We still don't know the truth about it though
My theory is he had a moment of clarity and blew himself up Straizo style

Guy from Jojo who blows up his body with his own powers
Probably should have used a better example

Vegeta style

[golden sluice]

wait

who's Straizo again

I watched JoJo but

I forgor him

[golden sluice]

oh against Buu

[slender haven]

Minor character in parts 1 and 2
Becomes vampire in part 2 and ends himself with Hamon

What the fuck?
Who the fuck is Lohen?

[golden sluice]

oh that guy, I remember him

[slender haven]

Please tell me Varka is just being humble bro

[golden sluice]

what the fuck?

what does he mean by Lohen's tougher

who the fuck is Lohen

what's the kuuvahki test

and who the fuck is Lohen

[slender haven]

Maybe he's just a better sponge for Kuuvahki

[golden sluice]

is he one of the 10 captains?

[slender haven]

Who?

Man my Varka agenda is cooked....

[golden sluice]

maybe he's one of the 10 captains

[golden sluice]

this Lohen guy

[slender haven]

Probably

[golden sluice]

unless we know them all already

Arlecchino and Sandrone pissing me tf off

HES AURA FARMING

MY GOAT

OMG

I want him to do things to me that'll get me banned here if I say them

I can take them all

oh lord

it's gonna be a long patch

[slender haven]

I already posted that

[golden sluice]

I've just read it myself gng

what's the follow

I wanna see what the other two said

huh

hold on

how did the moon sisters die then

is destroying the moons equal to killing them?