・lore-basement

[brave marten]

I'll start worshipping the devs

[thick oyster]

Ngl not a big fan of Surtalogi's voice

[odd thicket]

i am too
just one more week

[thick oyster]

Hope they change it

[brave marten]

I doubt we will but we'll see, they tend to ignore such things for playable characters like they did with Sandrone

[brave marten]

EN?

[thick oyster]

Yeah EN

[brave marten]

idk about his voice in EN, im a weeb so I just play jp

[worldly rain]

But there's always a possibility they change her back story
Like Rerir is pretty much hated across the board yet he got sympathy wave when they revealed his backstory so it definitely mellowed out

[brave marten]

i was sarcastic about calling myself a weeb if u havent noticed

[odd thicket]

JP... jp got the worst Rerir

[odd thicket]

difficult to say tbh

[brave marten]

I'll crash out 💔

[brave marten]

BRO WHAT

[thick oyster]

Rerir is beloved though
His drip marketing blew the actual playable characters out of the park

[brave marten]

I love JP Rerir

[odd thicket]

yep
have you heard the EN rerir ?

[brave marten]

yes

I prefer JP still

[odd thicket]

first i see someone prefer JP Rerir

EN Rerir put so much character into the character, oh the voice quivering was on pulse

the offl YT channel had not posted anything in 7 days
its defo going to be a cutscene today

[worldly rain]

Yeah but that's the design and looks
Even Ronova got people drooling
But we're talking about hate from story pov

[thick oyster]

Well people like Rerir's story too

[odd thicket]

Ronova should be hated or at least detested from story POV (we only ever see her in antagonist role)

but isnt because of design reveal smh

[thick oyster]

Well she already is in Capitano's lore
But it doesn't matter she's going to get woobified and forgiven by everyone

[worldly rain]

Yes and that can happen with Rhine too so expecting dottore level hate might not happen

[odd thicket]

yeah thats what i meant
captain was a sympathetic character/ good one and can be taken as a point of reference

[thick oyster]

Yeah
Dottore's brand is hate ngl
He's the king of it

[worldly rain]

Dude owned his evil so of course

[odd thicket]

Rhine is never going to be hated if they stick to her being a unabashed POS

[thick oyster]

Yeah and Rhine doesn't really have that
Albedo has complicated feelings for her but not outright hatred

[odd thicket]

Give me all of Deshret's intelligence and none of the luck

[brave marten]

I would argue Albedo worships her

[odd thicket]

same with mini durin

[thick oyster]

Nah he kind of acknowledges she's a bit fucked up

[worldly rain]

Considering deshret fate I wouldn't say that

[brave marten]

while worshipping her at the same time it seems

[thick oyster]

Deshret wasn't lucky

[odd thicket]

we got a lot of those

in game
like the scions for example

[thick oyster]

He doesn't worship her

[brave marten]

not literally

she's like his uh

[thick oyster]

Mom?

[odd thicket]

bro has amazing PR for all the dastardly shit he did
Baby Zandik got chased out at age 8

[brave marten]

well that and uh

his

ideal

[worldly rain]

Lost Nabu lost his goal died for his people (because of his own doing creating FK)

[brave marten]

figure

IDK THE WORD

[odd thicket]

enslaved the Jinn, killed his own human servants en masse, etc

[thick oyster]

Zandik was probably moving like Yujiro Hanma when he was born
Traumatized his mother so bad as a baby she became a monk

[odd thicket]

as it tell, he has amazing PR

[thick oyster]

Character anecdote?

[odd thicket]

huh ?

[odd thicket]

deshret would have done the same but would have recieved thunderous applause from the people

pantalone even remarks on it

Deshret descended from the skies/ heavens and was worshipped

Dottore was a human who rose to level of gods without much external aid and reviled

[worldly rain]

It's the same for most of the God kings of past
It's usually gray always but people makes it black and white anyway

[odd thicket]

true
ig with Time the same would happen to Dottore among the characters in game

[brave marten]

he wasn't born a god with people worship him since birth that's why

[thick oyster]

I could be cruel and say we got a Dottore animation
But nah it's about Durin lol

[thick oyster]

Deshret just had more aura

Ngl

[thick oyster]

The child killing is completely unrelated to that

[odd thicket]

i mean nefer definitely slimed a few families and hid their bodies

[thick oyster]

She has Jahoda for PR

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-jahoda-gif-10657415179033306247

[odd thicket]

crack theory: Nefer sent the debt collectors to Freminet's mom's home

[odd thicket]

unfair smh

[thick oyster]

The forest people don't like Deshret canonically

[brave marten]

nope, she got bare legs that's enough for PR

[odd thicket]

yeah its odd
the PV is definitely coming though
be it about dottore or sinners or others

[thick oyster]

And Yuri bait with Lauma

[thick oyster]

Or Sandrone

[odd thicket]

yeah

[odd thicket]

shes moving like Edgar from Vought behind the scenes

[brave marten]

I hate this

game

I hate the fans

[thick oyster]

Nah man
Lex Luther has the best PR in the universe
Somehow convinced the country to make him president after all the crime he did on record

[brave marten]

nah bro

[thick oyster]

Well to be serious she does also acknowledge what she did was wrong and partially redeemed herself via attempted sacrifice against Rerir

[brave marten]

Spiderfraud got the best PR in all comics history

[odd thicket]

true that

[odd thicket]

???

[brave marten]

dude I have visceral hate for spiderman

I hate that guy so much

[thick oyster]

He has the biggest group of haters ever though
The writers

[brave marten]

deserved

I hope he gets worse

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-fun-tweening-smug-i-hate-fun-gif-5083747024246212658

This you?

[brave marten]

no

I like uh

uhhhh

red hood

I just hate spiderman

[thick oyster]

Edge lord

[brave marten]

god I fucking hate spiderman

[odd thicket]

I pulled kinich because of the similarities

[brave marten]

wtf why 💔

[odd thicket]

Red Hood is our personal troubled traumatised blorbo

[brave marten]

are u deadass

[thick oyster]

Whole thing is wanting to kill criminals
Never kills Joker

[odd thicket]

I mean ben10 and spooderman together

Ofc

[brave marten]

don't mention that it pmo

Red Hood writing been in shambles for a while

[odd thicket]

He does in the alternate endings of under the red hood

[thick oyster]

I hear his writing sucks in the comics
But I'm a larper and haven't read any of them

[brave marten]

I love him because he's right and batman is wrong

I just hate characters

like Batman and spiderman

[odd thicket]

Yeah it sucks but have you considered he is cute

[brave marten]

at some point fuckers like joker gotta go

like genuinely

[thick oyster]

Potential man

[thick oyster]

That varies too depending on the artist

[odd thicket]

Hes not had a bad one yet

[thick oyster]

He has
Several times
It's just that the fucker is immortal

Imagine if Yuji killed Sukuna and he just came back a week later

[odd thicket]

Nah bro you dont get it batman would become the jonkler if he kills him

[brave marten]

i meant about batman and spiderman's uh

morality?

like

the fact they dont resort to killing

and always giving chances

like no

thats wrong

hella wrong

[brave marten]

stupidest plot point oat

[odd thicket]

Spiderman is a lost cause he deserves Paul

[brave marten]

real

[thick oyster]

It's acknowledged as a personal flaw though
Batman does it because he would probably go crazy
Spiderman does it cause he just hates when people die

[brave marten]

like genuinely keep making him suffer

[thick oyster]

Paul died I think

[odd thicket]

Wtf

Spiderman failed him

Hope MJ or whomever he was with left him for that

[brave marten]

sure, it's just most fans glaze them for that and some writers genuinely don't write it as a flaw anymore and that they're always morally superior over heroes who kill

which pisses me off

[thick oyster]

MJ left Paul too

[brave marten]

I felt sad when mj left paul

they deserved each other

[odd thicket]

Hope she never returns to Peter

[odd thicket]

They were actually happy

[thick oyster]

Both are scum
Yes

[brave marten]

and I wanted to see peter suffer more

[thick oyster]

This page is funny af

God Himself shining a light on this moment

[thick oyster]

Corny ahh

[brave marten]

I just hate peter bro 😭 🙏

just like u hate Dottore and want to see him always fail

[thick oyster]

I do that cause I'm petty

[brave marten]

aww you're pretty? 🥺

[thick oyster]

Yes

But fuck autocorrect

[brave marten]

im also petty about peter anyways

I hate him I really hate him

I wish they didnt make that many movies for him

give spotlight to other heroes

like uh

blade

or

moon knight

[thick oyster]

I mean he was always the money maker

[brave marten]

his mini series was disappointing

[brave marten]

yeah ik 😔

[thick oyster]

Blade got a movie
It was actually one of the first modern superhero movies

[brave marten]

yeah ik

im talking about recent ones

Blade back in the day saved

marvel

wtf is this character anecdote bs

[thick oyster]

Iron Man too

[thick oyster]

It's Durin writing fan fiction about his friends

[brave marten]

😭

[brave marten]

blade back in 98

that movie was the one that saved marvel fr

[thick oyster]

It helped

[brave marten]

and paved the way for the next movies

a lot

[thick oyster]

I mean the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films were also huge you know

[brave marten]

yeah but none of that would've existed without Blade

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[odd thicket]

And now Maherasha Ali is stuck in production hell for like
15 years now

[thick oyster]

The new Blade one you mean?

[odd thicket]

Yeah

Just free him and get him on Alita sequel set smh

[thick oyster]

I think they cancelled that

[brave marten]

that movie's never coming out 😭 😭

[odd thicket]

Oh finally

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-wesley-snipes-deadpool-and-wolverine-eric-brooks-there's-only-been-one-blade-gif-14125652457894000393

[brave marten]

is brand new day releasing before or after doomsday

[odd thicket]

Next month bro

[brave marten]

no way

[thick oyster]

I saw that Alita movie in the hospital
Was pretty good
But didn't his character die in it?

[brave marten]

that close

[odd thicket]

No
She makes it to the end

They setup a sequel for 7 years

[odd thicket]

I was surprised too

[brave marten]

next month gonna be crazy fr

world cup too

[thick oyster]

No I think his character died at the end

[odd thicket]

But i have outgrown marvel slop

[odd thicket]

Whose
No Ali’s character is the villain and he stares down Alita

[brave marten]

I don't seek to go anymore either

but I hage a friend who keeps watching them

so I just go with him whenever a nrw movie drops

[thick oyster]

Ali was a villain but he was just a pawn of the big villain
Alita kills Ali's character and stares down the real villain

[thick oyster]

I don't go to most of them
But I'll probably see Spider-Man and the Avengers I guess cause they're the big ones

[brave marten]

if my friend is not hitting me up don't think I'll go and I'll just wait for digital release

[thick oyster]

The new Clay Face movie looks pretty crazy though
James Gunn has really been killing it in DC lately

[brave marten]

ok yeah the DC movies im interested in

the new ones

isn't supergirl releasing soon

[thick oyster]

I think so

[brave marten]

marvel made a huge mistake letting james gunn go

the GotG movies are the best movies they have ever put out

[thick oyster]

Yeah fr
I forget what he even did honestly
Some old edgy tweets I think?

[brave marten]

yep

it's a nothing drama

people just like to dig up old stuff

ok i just got censored

[thick oyster]

1984

[brave marten]

big brother is watching

[thick oyster]

Big Celestia in this case

[brave marten]

Ronova's eyes in the sky

[odd thicket]

Oh wait
Yeah you right
Its been years since i saw it

[thick oyster]

Yeah I only saw it a couple months ago

[odd thicket]

Very creepy tweets

Still a sus man

[thick oyster]

Eh I don't remember them being that bad

[brave marten]

what'd he say again cz I forgot

I don't remember myself being appalled when I saw them

[odd thicket]

Would be banned here

[brave marten]

dm me

[odd thicket]

Ill do it in a bit

[odd thicket]

cleared menacing again phew

[odd thicket]

https://preview.redd.it/im-actually-impressed-at-how-he-still-kept-all-of-his-aura-v0-tk4ay3fpb53h1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=efba3610e40652d21b1d76be4c0d9b1c390815ca

Why is he so hot

[queen prawn]

Eh asking people that like Dottore if they like Bina or not is like,the most stupid question ever

Also when is Stylian flower going to bloom..

[odd thicket]

No

[queen prawn]

[queen prawn]

https://youtu.be/aE5MofefW5c?si=7vNtDDcy7lcjLiER

What is the text at the end said

[odd thicket]

use subtitles

[queen prawn]

Oh

[odd thicket]

I wonder when the next album drops

Temple of Space was exquisite

[queen prawn]

I want it in teapot

And the music minigame thing

Glad they finally added 2.8 fischl castle battle theme

[vivid wasp]

I mean in the Natlan AQ the Lord of the Night goes on this whole spiel about how she actually helped the Natlanese people out of love or whatever and got punished for it, so they're probably going to pull that bullshit
I hope she dies and isn't playable

Also good morning, its 5:40 here, my cat woke me up for food

[queen prawn]

That doesn't make sense to call it bullshit when they already established that part of her character

Capitano fan hating Ronova for something something but Ronova could just leave him rot instead of listening to the non existing paradox

Though we could get him playable if that happened

Ronova still get hate regardless though

Tough being the only archon and Celestia believer here,wish #copium was here

Put that aside, why was there another irminsul when Nahida was talking with the shade?

[odd thicket]

Funny cat

https://preview.redd.it/8z08nv8sdn3h1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c2943638e917508035fd7a689f3338c035c841b1

I am losing my mind

[vivid wasp]

I can see that

[queen prawn]

Are you guys digging everything up dawg

[odd thicket]

Yes

Like

Too many lizard references for it to be invalid or coincidental

[queen prawn]

My problem with soul transfer theory is that he still needed Pantalone to transfer his last soul in the leyline

[odd thicket]

Physically yes

But then remember

Shattering atmagraha results in three parts

And dottore’s last unanswered question was the minimum soul amount required to create a new segment

[vivid wasp]

I already said my opinion, I think it was to reference him putting himself on the Northland Bank
I can't imagine it will happen again even with the whole shattering atmagraha thing
And if it does its shit writing atp
Just let the mf die

[odd thicket]

And his proposal to Pantalone to recreate him as their son with dottore memories and pantalone soul

[odd thicket]

Not again
Nod Krai and Northland Bank (moon and datatorres) were allegedly two halves

Meaning he has exhausted his soul

[queen prawn]

Pantalone with vision could solve this without the lizard theory

If vision is related to soul

Which it is

[odd thicket]

You get a vision by paying for it with a shred of your soul yes

[odd thicket]

This is different
Remember 6.4 main event ?

[queen prawn]

I dont know what to say but pantalone getting a vision could revive dottore(eventhough he would stuck in pantalone body and probably with lobotomy )

[odd thicket]

Or 5.7 ?

[odd thicket]

Nono
Getting a vision dooms both of them

[queen prawn]

Stellar vision wouldn't

[odd thicket]

We dk about it yet

And even moonwheels tie oneself to their fates

[worldly rain]

No spoiler chat? Is it over then?

[queen prawn]

Yes

Maybe

[odd thicket]

Spoiler decree lasts only for one week here

[worldly rain]

Tbh is there anyone here who actually would enforce the rules?

[odd thicket]

Anyway i am hinging on Pantalone bringing Dottore back

That or we find a random lizard with one of the segment’s or zandik’s own soul

[odd thicket]

Kc would

[worldly rain]

They're mod then?

[odd thicket]

Yeah ?

Well at least here in this thread

Yes

[sweet dune]

No.

[odd thicket]

Yes

[sweet dune]

two weeks serverwide

[queen prawn]

[odd thicket]

#・lore-basement message

[queen prawn]

Oh good then

[odd thicket]

[queen prawn]

But if we count by day then it is still not a week

[sweet dune]

huh

interesting

ive never heard of this

[odd thicket]

It is though

[queen prawn]

Special rule

[odd thicket]

6.6 dropped 7 days and 8 hours ago

[queen prawn]

But it not like a lot people go here

[odd thicket]

True

[queen prawn]

Right,I actually thought it was Monday for some reason

[worldly rain]

I'll trust @odd thicket
If anything they'll be the first one to get the boot when it comes to untimely spoiler

[odd thicket]

Not a he

[odd thicket]

[queen prawn]

That is plausible, I just hope he will be helping Pantalone with his smoking problem instead of being another weekly boss

[worldly rain]

She? They?

[odd thicket]

But i agree to be canary for while

[odd thicket]

They

[worldly rain]

Alright

[odd thicket]

I mean

When you think about it

What if he tried to grab Traveler for the remaining phlogiston

And then his last move was to take the pyro gnosis

Remember that Night Kingdom is unique as well and Natlan is missing its second weekly boss

[worldly rain]

2nd weekly should be mare related though

[odd thicket]

Dottore being that is unlikely but not impossible

@vivid wasp what do you think

[queen prawn]

Sumeru with 3 weekly:

[odd thicket]

Ehh idts

[worldly rain]

I'll bet on full fledged baku

[queen prawn]

Hoyo remove their pattern atm

[odd thicket]

Dottore likes breaking rules

[odd thicket]

It could just be a WQ exclusive boss again

Or new area 40 resin boss

[queen prawn]

Someone stole Bakunawa power and we fight them

[odd thicket]

Dottore would make for a fire weekly boss again

[odd thicket]

Its just dottore tbh

He broke the harbinger wheel theory

Twice

Boss phase rules too

[thick oyster]

I'm pretty confident she'll be the first weekly boss if Snezhnaya (no leaks just my opinion) so we should get to see her shit kicked in at least there

[odd thicket]

I hope she is the weekly boss of snezhnaya

[vivid wasp]

If Dottore is related to the Mare Jivari I will krill myself

[vivid wasp]

Hopefully

[thick oyster]

Pantalone is for sure getting a stellar lynchpin though
But same thing, I guess

[odd thicket]

What if Dottore steals the lava walker identity

[queen prawn]

Natlan weekly

[thick oyster]

Imagine if the first boss is Ronova and the second boss is Rerir
That would be cool

[vivid wasp]

So Enjou?

[thick oyster]

No

[worldly rain]

Pantlone won't be playable

[queen prawn]

Let rerir rest

[thick oyster]

He literally had a drip marketing dummy

[odd thicket]

We can save Enjou that way
Dottore has N number of ways to cheat Death and Time and would somehow live

[worldly rain]

Now pulcinella otoh...

[queen prawn]

Pantalone died from lung cancer and get a vision after

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/all-in-his-mind-all-in-his-head-delusional-delusion-insanity-gif-12255351800206495360

[vivid wasp]

Where is it said that Enjou needs saving...?

Bro is fine

[odd thicket]

Rerir weekly boss too much
But not improbable

[vivid wasp]

And if needs saving then I hope it won't happen

[thick oyster]

I mean they are for sure reusing his fight... eventually

[queen prawn]

Because he is one of their hype npc/character

[odd thicket]

He is the lavawalker and lavawalker finally burns to ash at end

[odd thicket]

True…
But then he had turned his back to Vedrfolnir

[worldly rain]

This

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir himself disagrees
And that guy literally can see the fucking future

[vivid wasp]

Ehhh
No comment on that

[odd thicket]

So if Rerir returns, it would be to join traveler or Dainsleif

[thick oyster]

He's the Pyro Sovereign so I doubt it

Or he'll turn out to be the Pyro Sovereign

[odd thicket]

No thats my Sauron the Saurian

[queen prawn]

Yes kill Vedrfolnir

[odd thicket]

Thats defo happening

[thick oyster]

He isn't the Pyro Sovereign
He's God (if you blew up the planet)

[odd thicket]

No npc before or since has gotten it

Hes not npc

[queen prawn]

Guy think he is tough for telling people future(Barbeloth exist)

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir wants him to win

To break fate

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir is better than Barbeloth

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir is literally confirmed 10x better than her

[queen prawn]

As in power?

[odd thicket]

He tried
Rerir rejects Vedrfolnir in the moon prison and thats why he returns to sanity

[odd thicket]

In every aspect

[thick oyster]

No he was freed from the Abyss

Not Vedrfolnir

[odd thicket]

Same thing

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir isn't the Abyss

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir is often masked under Abyss

[thick oyster]

He just has a fragment of it

[odd thicket]

Like with Roland’s story

[thick oyster]

He isn't God of the Abyss

He's just one of 5

[thick oyster]

That's because Roland found him first

[odd thicket]

He is not
But for Rerir, the Abyss he encounters really is just Vedrfolnir

[thick oyster]

No not all of it

[odd thicket]

I mean in artefact set, he is said to kneel down to Abyss
And in Varka sq we learn he bowed to Vedrfolnir

[thick oyster]

The Abyss inside of Rerir is what drove him crazy

Not Vedrfolnir

[thick oyster]

The Abyss isn't one set entity

[odd thicket]

It was Vedrfolnir who kept fanning the flames of his obsession

[odd thicket]

Yes
But Ved is

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir just told him what Rerir wanted
The future

Vedrfolnir wants Rerir to break the future

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir isn't the Abyss inside Rerir

[odd thicket]

It was Vedrfolnir who cultivated the anxiety in the first place

[thick oyster]

Rerir always had it

Vedrfolnir was probably in everyone's heads

Including his own

[queen prawn]

Hm,Barbeloth hydromancy help with Teyvat abyss problem so idk

Her capability is still insane

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir probably taught Barbeloth

Her necklace is literally Khaenri'ah's symbol

So Vedrfolnir is above her in every way

[odd thicket]

He is not
However, Rerir’s obsession and actions in Nod Krai were fuelled by Vedrfolnir’s words

The description of an “Abyssal Serpent in the sun trying to craw into my shadow” within the moon prison can only refer to Abyss or our Serpentine Sinner

[queen prawn]

Student outperform master trope

[odd thicket]

It was Vedrfolnir who planted the desires of forbidden knowledge and power inside Rerir head, i mean

[thick oyster]

No it was fueled by the Abyss inside of him
When he entered the Moon prison again it weakened the Abyss inside him and made him sane again

[queen prawn]

Skirk is basically one

[thick oyster]

She failed to divine the Fontaine prophecy

Vedrfolnir succeeded easily

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir can do WITHOUT Apoasha

Hes next level

[thick oyster]

Surtalogi would put Skirk in the fucking ground if they fought

[odd thicket]

It didnt weaken the abyss inside him
He had to voluntarily give up and swat away this “snake”

[thick oyster]

Because the Moon realm was trying to shred it
It can only imprison divinity and it shred everything else
That's why the Kuuvhaki in Rerir survived

[odd thicket]

It was only upon rejecting this “snake” does he gain his sanity back

[thick oyster]

Either way it's not Vedrfolnir

[odd thicket]

Abyss still infested the prison

Abyss that was not from Rerir and present during his first time too

[thick oyster]

A part of it
But it shredded Rerir entirely when he first entered

[odd thicket]

He is the Blasphemer against Time, one of two entities who can possibly finesse the mechanics of the Moon Prison

[thick oyster]

It was from Rerir though

[odd thicket]

That was because Rerir still was wholly human

[thick oyster]

It was the same color as his power

Vedrfolnir's Abyss power is blue

[odd thicket]

Nop, some abyss there was from before

[odd thicket]

No it was stock abyss

[thick oyster]

He was Abyssal

[odd thicket]

Human body

[thick oyster]

It leaked out of him and it led there

[thick oyster]

Abyss body

[odd thicket]

If it was his he would be familiar

It isnt

[odd thicket]

Human body

[thick oyster]

He was able to cut through it with ease

[thick oyster]

Doesn't matter

[odd thicket]

Coz he still is a high order abyss being

[odd thicket]

Very much matters, he got shredded in an instant

[thick oyster]

No cause it was his Abyss power

[odd thicket]

If it was his own abyss power he could just swallow it back

He couldnt

[thick oyster]

Yeah and he would get shredded regardless
He only survived the second time cause of Kuuvhaki

[odd thicket]

Yes

[thick oyster]

Then that would drive him crazy again

[odd thicket]

What drove him crazy was his obsession

Not abyss

[thick oyster]

It was the Abyss too

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir manipulates Rerir with his obsession

[thick oyster]

That's why striking at it made him coherent again

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir wants Rerir to succeed

[odd thicket]

He literally is a manifestation of the abyss and not crazy when Columbina meets him

[thick oyster]

No matter how Rerir does it Vedrfolnir would approve

[odd thicket]

Succeed in what
He knows Rerir is doomed to fail

[thick oyster]

Abyss in a human mind

[thick oyster]

Succeed in breaking fate and the future

[odd thicket]

He would know only a descender can do it

He was literally tormenting and breaking Rerir down mentally

[thick oyster]

He wants to see Rerir defy the odds
That's what Vedrfolnir says
It's even referenced in Linnea's quest

[thick oyster]

No Linnea almost did it

Also Sinners can break the world
Surtalogi already did

[thick oyster]

Not when he was in Nod-Krai

[odd thicket]

Same line mentions how it is impossible for them to change

[odd thicket]

Linnea was always going to lose unless traveler intervened

And they didnt

[thick oyster]

Yeah but he wants it to be possible dummy

[odd thicket]

They can break the world, but thats not breaking fate

[thick oyster]

Linnea had to intervene herself

[odd thicket]

Him of all people should know it is impossible without a descender

[odd thicket]

And fulfilled the fate of losing the tournament

[thick oyster]

Yeah but that's why he's experimenting everywhere

[thick oyster]

Yes but it was her own decision

[odd thicket]

Rerir was driven by Vedrfolnir’s last words from 500 years ago

[thick oyster]

Also Traveler will probably help Rerir break fate when he returns soooo

[odd thicket]

Thats a certainty

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir was just telling him what he wanted to hear

[thick oyster]

So Vedrfolnir will succeed

[odd thicket]

Imo he wasnt
Remember that in 6.4 event, Venti says that Wild Hunt would have traveled to natlan and collected the forced there and arrived at Mondstadt

Vedrfolnir is a master manipulator

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir doesn't control Wild Hunt

[odd thicket]

And drive him mad, for what end

[thick oyster]

He doesn't care about destroying Mondstadt

[odd thicket]

He doesnt
But doesnt mean he cant want something out of it

[thick oyster]

To try and reunite him with Tholindis
Breaking fate

[odd thicket]

He does though

[thick oyster]

He doesn't want Mondstadt destroyed
Otherwise he would have tried attacking Varka when he saw him

[odd thicket]

Did you forget the abyss order’s actions in mondstadt ?

[thick oyster]

Then why didn't he do anything to Varka

[odd thicket]

He himself cannot intervene directly if you have noticed

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir doesn't control Abyss Order directly
He didn't even care when they were worshiping him

Remember?

[odd thicket]

There is something off with Vedrfolnir, he moves with his pawns

[thick oyster]

No he can he's a Sinner

[odd thicket]

Is there evidence of the latter ?

[odd thicket]

The two sinners most involved in the story are held back in different ways

[thick oyster]

He literally asked why Chlothar and the Hillichurls were worshiping him and was confused

[thick oyster]

He isn't held back

[odd thicket]

That was before the order was founded

[thick oyster]

By Chlothar and Sibling
Not Vedrfolnir

Vedrfolnir didn't found it

He doesn't control them

[odd thicket]

Yes
Yet they still worship him to this day

[thick oyster]

Or order them

[odd thicket]

He sure does guide them

[thick oyster]

And he doesn't care about worship

[odd thicket]

He certainly would have

[thick oyster]

You don't understand his character

[odd thicket]

Of course

[odd thicket]

I do

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir disappeared when Chlothar went looking for him

[odd thicket]

Yes

[thick oyster]

He doesn't want to destroy Mondstadt
Otherwise he would have killed Varka on the spot

[odd thicket]

Because the first meeting could have happened in a different branch of time or even a dream

[thick oyster]

So Vedrfolnir doesn't directly order them

[odd thicket]

He does though, did you forget the very first Archon Quest ?

[thick oyster]

No the Traveler was just reliving actual memories

[odd thicket]

He has the sibling do it

[thick oyster]

That wasn't Vedrfolnir
That was the Abyss Order who operate primarily without him

[odd thicket]

No , for Chlothar

[thick oyster]

He doesn't order them either

[odd thicket]

It was literally a step in their most important plan
The loom of fate

[thick oyster]

Destroying Mondstadt had nothing to do with the Loom of Fate

[odd thicket]

Doubtful after the chasm quest
The inverted Lang Gan reeks of his role

[thick oyster]

So it was outside of Vedrfolnir's control

[odd thicket]

Destroying Mondstadt has to do with Istaroth

That nation is where her thousand winds converge

[thick oyster]

Istaroth isn't connected to Mondstadt much anymore

[odd thicket]

She very much is

Because of the thousand winds

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir wouldn't care about effecting her
If anything they might be in cahoots
Look at Istaroth's hands

They're both nonchalant af

[odd thicket]

They wont be in cahoots

[thick oyster]

They both want to break fate

[odd thicket]

She is handling the very system he despises

[odd thicket]

Yeah, and she has her own plan in the motion for it

[thick oyster]

She doesn't care about the system
She hasn't for years

[odd thicket]

She has traveler

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir also has plans for Traveler

[odd thicket]

She very much does

[odd thicket]

But hasnt been able to reach them

[thick oyster]

Then why did she help Makoto make the Sakura

[thick oyster]

Because he doesn't want to rn

[odd thicket]

Because he cannot rn

[thick oyster]

She isn't loyal to Phanes

[thick oyster]

No he can
He just doesn't

The Sibling wants Traveler to go to every nation first

[odd thicket]

She hasnt left them like Asmoday, so she is at least comfortable with Phanes’ plan

[thick oyster]

It could be similar with Vedrfolnir

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir’s silver bullet is manipulating traveler through the sibling and he knows it

[thick oyster]

That's cause she hasn't found a new master like Asmoday
Remember how the siblings in Temple are parallels to Istaroth and Asmoday?

[odd thicket]

And who would be the sibling’s new master then ?

[thick oyster]

Sibling doesn't have one directly
They just want to revive Khaenri'ah

[odd thicket]

To avert the abyss of course
The abyss which he wants to bring to teyvat with loom of fate

[thick oyster]

The Sakura is outside of Phanes' order and defies it
Makoto says so

[odd thicket]

Indirectly they have been Vedrfolnir’s pawn

[thick oyster]

They just both want fate to be defied

[odd thicket]

Yes
And without it the leylines would be clogged with dealing with abyss

[thick oyster]

That was a side factor

It defies Phanes' order

So something is up with it

[odd thicket]

The Loom plan is absolutely nuts though
I cannot see sibling willingly participating in it without coercion, manipulation or falsehoods

[thick oyster]

Also Istaroth helped the Frostmoon Scions with Columbina's birth

[odd thicket]

Functions without irminsul

[thick oyster]

The Sibling is loyal to Khaenri'ah above all else so it wouldn't take that much

[odd thicket]

Hey thats my pitch yes

[thick oyster]

Yes that's a factor

[odd thicket]

She helped columbina birth

[odd thicket]

Ends up serving Vedrfolnir majorly anyway

[thick oyster]

Also she was "protector of the Three Moons"

[thick oyster]

Well Vedrfolnir's end game is just to break fate fully

[odd thicket]

The only confirmation we need is if it was within or outside of the priosn

[odd thicket]

For which Istaroth is a hurdle

Loom breaks fate and goes beyond

It invites Abyss in

[thick oyster]

They both have the same ends
Just different means

[thick oyster]

The Abyss is just a means to the end

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir’s means have been swatted repeatedly

[odd thicket]

Abyss is the End

[thick oyster]

The game is setting up guys like Durin to be the future

[thick oyster]

Guys like Durin and Skirk are the future

[odd thicket]

Yes, with traveler leading that change

[thick oyster]

Beings who aren't malicious yet can use the Abyss

[odd thicket]

Skirk still has a cosmic fate

[thick oyster]

Maybe all the people of New Khaenri'ah will be the same

[odd thicket]

Thats a given

[thick oyster]

She hasn't fully actualized yet

[odd thicket]

Because for that surtalogi would need to return

He is destined to die with her efforts

[thick oyster]

So Vedrfolnir might want everyone in Teyvat to be like that
It would be a good thing considering how Durin is

[odd thicket]

Or at least made it so with his lack of change and obsession with strength

[thick oyster]

And Surtalogi can't be proscribed anymore as Vedrfolnir himself says

[odd thicket]

But he cannot get there without breaking a lot of people and Rerir was one such pawn

[odd thicket]

Theres the catch

Surtalogi cannot be proscribed

However

His obsession and personality made it so Vedrfolnir could still read his future

And he saw him adopting Skirk

And destiny tied to teyvat

[thick oyster]

Then it wouldn't be fate
Surtalogi is just boring

[odd thicket]

Exactly

Rerir was doomed to fail tholindis

Without traveler

He couldnt have saved her on his own

Vedrfolnir would 100% know that

[thick oyster]

And Columbina
Remember red king and white queen theory

[thick oyster]

It could be a Dr Strange situation
There were like ten billion outcomes and this is the only one that worked

[thick oyster]

The Dove is what unites the two together

The Dove

[thick oyster]

Honestly the quote still confuses me
Maybe the CN version makes more sense

[odd thicket]

Yes

[odd thicket]

With fate there is a pre determined set of outcomes

[worldly rain]

Multiple outcomes in future
Fate fixes one and enforces it no one can change it except descender
People like Ved and Istaroth thense may not ve able to change fate but they sure can influence Descender to use their power in changing fate
The catch? Neither istaroth nor Ved can reliably say they have traveler in their claws

I personally wouldn't place such an omnipotence towards them especially Ved

[odd thicket]

Only traveler has Dr Strange ability

[odd thicket]

Nah its straight forward

[thick oyster]

Well Ved wants to be proven wrong
He laments that the futures he sees always come true

[thick oyster]

And Vedrfolnir can see them all

[odd thicket]

There is no All

Thats the issue

There is only one

[thick oyster]

If Surtalogi can't be proscribed how can he still have a fate tied to Teyvat?
That's my confusion

[odd thicket]

Anyway you get why i said Vedrfolnir wanted Rerir mad

[thick oyster]

Kinda

[odd thicket]

An angry Rerir would be taking up arms against the heavens

[worldly rain]

Yup and they're unable to change that which is why they depend on variables

Which are unpredictable

[odd thicket]

And power of Death is a cheat code

[thick oyster]

Well everyone in Khaenri'ah was already anti Celestia

[thick oyster]

The Sinners are free agents yes

[odd thicket]

His personality , obsession all overpower other factors in his fate equation that Vedrfolnir could see that without change, he ends at Teyvat once more

[odd thicket]

And their obsession chains them and makes their actions predictable

[thick oyster]

So it's like the world formula

[odd thicket]

Rerir can actually hurt them now

[odd thicket]

Yep yep yep

Vedrfolnir and Istaroth should be human calculators of the formula

[thick oyster]

And if he were to reunite with Tholindis he would finally be freed from his obsession

[odd thicket]

He is already free from his obsession

[thick oyster]

Well now that he got the Abyss out of his system yeah
But he isn't truly reunited with her yet

[odd thicket]

Reuniting with her would be an outcome Vedrfolnir never saw before

[thick oyster]

So he would want that to happen

[odd thicket]

He is still an abyssal life form

[odd thicket]

He would out of curiosity
But for his ends, no

[thick oyster]

Yeah but he stabilized when in the Moon Realm

[thick oyster]

His curiosity is his ends

He's a prophet who laments fate that always happens
His goal is to finally have a fate that doesn't happen

[odd thicket]

I still blame the serpent to be Ved’s paid agent

[thick oyster]

Nah

[odd thicket]

Yah

[thick oyster]

Rerir himself is called a serpent remember?

Serpents have multiple connections in Genshin

[odd thicket]

By Nefer, for his character yes
The serpent imagery is strongest with Ved however

[thick oyster]

It can be two things at once

[odd thicket]

Can be, the probability of it being Vedrolnir is highest in this context

[thick oyster]

The serpent represents Rerir's worst aspects

[worldly rain]

World formula is wierd it means a lot of things and also nothing...

[thick oyster]

It also represents Rerir himself

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-genshin-vedrfolnir-sinners-visionary-gif-6892696966883123564

[thick oyster]

Yeah

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-i-was-always-there-humpty-dumpty-alexander-puss-gif-27400177

[odd thicket]

Rerir the sinner spiralled into madness because of the serpentine vedrfolnir

[thick oyster]

How Vedrfolnir be moving

[odd thicket]

I am certain that it was him who killed Tholindis

She says she was possessed by Abyss before jumping into the moon gate

[thick oyster]

?????
She ended herself dummy

[thick oyster]

No that's stupid
She admits why she did it

[odd thicket]

Influenced by abyss to do it

[thick oyster]

He became the serpent too

[worldly rain]

Rene used it to predict narwhal and teyvat destruction
Sandrone on the other hand used it to actually create the path that connect the present with past
In some ways it feels like deus ex machina...

[thick oyster]

She had nothing to do with the Abyss

[odd thicket]

Yes

[odd thicket]

The moon gate she created ?

[thick oyster]

So striking at it represents him felling his worst aspects

[thick oyster]

With the moon marrow she spent her life studying?

And because she knew the truth about Rerir now?

Tholindis admits that she wanted to go back in time and prevent the Sibling from showing up

[odd thicket]

Hmmm
Metaphorical but his description is literal

[thick oyster]

Rotwang is also represented by a serpent

[odd thicket]

Yes
Vedrfolnir is both

[thick oyster]

Rerir is also a serpent

[odd thicket]

Dont forget his chess piece and Dainsleif’s ring

[odd thicket]

He is a wolf first

[thick oyster]

Yes I know

[thick oyster]

He's both

[odd thicket]

Serpent only in character

That too likened once

[thick oyster]

His abyssal character

Like how he tricked Traveler and Lightkeepers with disguises

[odd thicket]

“May have been bewitched by the abyss”

[thick oyster]

Not Vedrfolnir
Otherwise she would have heard his voice

Could have the Abyss in the moon marrow

[odd thicket]

She wouldnt know about Vedrfolnir

[thick oyster]

He was famous

Everyone knew him

[odd thicket]

Yeah in the court and mythologised

Tholindis was nowhere near the court and would have never met him

[thick oyster]

And Tholindis was a member of the Universitas

[thick oyster]

She would know about it

[odd thicket]

And Rerir directly worked under Irmin

[thick oyster]

Her boss was Hroptatyr

[odd thicket]

And never met Vedrfolnir until his engagement party

[thick oyster]

He larped as a lowly office worker

[odd thicket]

Even he took a few days to realise whose voice it was

[odd thicket]

Yes, still very close to Irmin and proximity to Ved

[thick oyster]

She would have still heard the voice of someone

[odd thicket]

Yes

[thick oyster]

She doesn't mention hearing a voice

[odd thicket]

She was too scared and terrified after the regicide and office in siege

[thick oyster]

Tholindis mentions that the king has been going crazier since the Sibling arrived
She knows about the court

[thick oyster]

Yeah
Not Vedrfolnir

[worldly rain]

Was the voice we heard in fake mare also Ved? Or was it abyss?
If it was abyss then why assume every abyss voice is Ved?

[odd thicket]

Yeah because of the changes in the universitas

[thick oyster]

Just Abyss

[odd thicket]

“I may have been the leverage it needed to control Rerir”

[thick oyster]

So she would also have some ideas about Vedrfolnir
All the other Sinners knew about him too since he was Irmin's right hand

[thick oyster]

Yeah the Abyss
Not Vedrfolnir

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir benefits if Rerir loses Tholindis at the start

[thick oyster]

The Abyss drove Rerir crazy

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir doesn't

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir had a special interest in Rerir

[worldly rain]

Yeah so why assume it's Ved behind everything abyss when abyss has already revealed itself to be seperate player
Even in natlan it was abyss only not Ved...

[thick oyster]

He had an interest in all of them
He was probably in all of their heads

[thick oyster]

Exactly

[odd thicket]

He does, power of Death defies Fate by halting it permanently

[thick oyster]

Vedrfolnir doesn't control it though

Vedrfolnir was time

[odd thicket]

Ved would be assumed when in contexts with subjects whom he is relatednto

[odd thicket]

Hence Death would be of interest to him

Remember another perspective of Death, as Barbeloth puts it, is a new rebirth/ new possibility

[worldly rain]

Only when it's revealed and even he himself says he isn't always there but piggy backing on abyss threat

[thick oyster]

He wants fate to be broken and Tholindis and Rerir uniting would have done that

So he wouldn't care about controlling Rerir

[odd thicket]

In the absence of a descender both are impossible dreams

[odd thicket]

He sure would love a mad Rerir though

[thick oyster]

Or so he thinks
Vedrfolnir is testing the grounds

[thick oyster]

No he wouldn't

[odd thicket]

Ved of all people would know its impossible
Like his line referenced in 6.5

[odd thicket]

Why would he not ?

[thick oyster]

That was just him lamenting that fate can't be changed
But he would want to see if it could be changed

[odd thicket]

If he really wanted that, he would be nudging his pawns to orbit traveler

[thick oyster]

Because Rerir isn't under his control
If anything he would just want to see if the new power could help Rerir break fate

[thick oyster]

Because he's trying to see how else fate could be broken

Also he kinda is nudging Traveler

[odd thicket]

Sometimes he instigates it

Like with fRoland

[worldly rain]

Of course like that time with Rerir

[odd thicket]

He would know it wont
An angry Rerir would be easier to manipulate and out for vengeance

[odd thicket]

Yeah with sibling

[thick oyster]

He wouldn't
The Sinners can't be proscribed

[odd thicket]

Sinners cant be proscribed but in turn they cannot save or aid others

[thick oyster]

He wouldn't know that though

[odd thicket]

Or defy rules

[thick oyster]

They can

[odd thicket]

He should be
There was no variable in Surtalogi’s fate reading

[odd thicket]

Rerir couldnt defy the rules of Nibelung’s prison still

[thick oyster]

Skirk was the variable I suppose

[thick oyster]

He did though
He escaped

[odd thicket]

No the variable is still traveler
Skirk is just another factor but from outside

[worldly rain]

I think a critical piece of info is missing from the convo
Rerir's heart was destroyed by us
That's why he couldn't get back to his full fledged self
And that's also why abyss overpowered him and made him mad

Ved assuming wanted him to break fate why would he not stop us from doing that?

[odd thicket]

I meant more so in him being unable to defy it and meet Tholindis

[thick oyster]

So far

[thick oyster]

The heart would just give him more power

Rerir was already crazy at that point

[odd thicket]

The details of his first escape, abyss being present there even before his first visit are observations of note meant to yield later

[odd thicket]

Rerir was always mad, so long as he was driven by obsession

[worldly rain]

And control so if Ved wanted that to be the case as in breaking fate why make him weak for us?
Unless he didn't do shit and was just a bystander

[thick oyster]

Pretty much yeah
Vedrfolnir's strategy is giving things a nudge and seeing where they go

[thick oyster]

The Abyss made him crazier

[worldly rain]

Yup

[thick oyster]

Both he and Istaroth are the same in that way
Subtly nudging things but never outright controlling them

[worldly rain]

He can see future but sure as hell can't change much so he does this little things with variables to see if something hits

[thick oyster]

That was the point of Varka's variable talk

[odd thicket]

Also just to he clear: varka specifically saw the wild hunt in barbeloth’s vision right ?

[thick oyster]

He saw a threat to Mondstadt yeah

He didn't see Rerir though

[odd thicket]

Eh wild hunt implies Rerir

[thick oyster]

He always knew Boreas had something to do with it
That's why he brought a soul piece to begin with

So he always suspected Roland

[odd thicket]

Wait i am not following this

Why ?

[worldly rain]

He wasn't mad just obsessed
Look at him in the moon prison that's the same Rerir we fought just without abyss control
Sure as hell didn't look mad to me

[thick oyster]

Sorry not Roland specifically
But he knew Boreas' power would be exploited

[odd thicket]

He was driven mad by obsession

[thick oyster]

Which is why he brought Boreas' soul with him

[thick oyster]

And the Abyss

[worldly rain]

That's abyss exploiting him

[thick oyster]

We know it drove Rhinedottir crazy too

Rhinedottir only stabilized after eating Naberius

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir fuelled his obsessions too
Another case of abyss and vedrfolnir overlapping

[thick oyster]

Not really

[odd thicket]

Hmmm
But for certain, he saw Wild Hunt in the prophecy ?

[thick oyster]

Idk let me rewatch his video

[worldly rain]

His obsession were his own making
Ved didn't create any situation that led to him obsessing over his own action

[odd thicket]

He or his voiced goaded him into taking the FK

[odd thicket]

He put the ideas in

[thick oyster]

Yeah but the Abyss is what made him crazy

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir set the shot for Abyss to take

[thick oyster]

That's just cause he wanted to see if the transcendental power could help Rerir break fate

[worldly rain]

No he didn't
The only thing Ved did was nudge him to take part in abyss power sharing which he knew would allow Rerir to come to him and in turn free him from prison

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-captain-america-winter-soldier-bucky-barnes-bucky-gif-14580250

[worldly rain]

He was using Rerir for his own escape
Nothing to do with his obsession

[odd thicket]

Uh no
Watch the Do Tagte Ez cutscene

[odd thicket]

You are misremembering the sequence

He tells how he is a lowly pawn without any power after Tholindis jumps through the gate

And offers the abyss as a solution

[worldly rain]

I'm not that abyss voice that fueled him to make stupid decision wrt tholindis which he later came to regret
The end goal was to bring him to prison only

[odd thicket]

I think you are missing a verb

Nvm

But the prison thing already ended

He left for tholindis after the prison

[worldly rain]

Well I'm saying the abyss voice Rerir heard aka Ved was not to fuel his obsession over his regret as Rerir would later have...
It was so he would come to prison as Ved had seen and free him
The consequences with Tholindis and his obsession over past is at best side effects that was not the real motive for Ved and tbh he couldn't care less

[odd thicket]

But he still gets a call or taunt after leaving the prison

[worldly rain]

Yeah cause he fell for the bait

[thick oyster]

All Varka saw was "an abyssal calamity"

Which turned out to be the Wild Hunt

[odd thicket]

Even then, why would abyss/ Ved take over tholindis and have her jump, to control Rerir as she herself comes to realise or suspect

[odd thicket]

Hmmm

[odd thicket]

If not Wild Hunt, then Dvalin

If not Dvalin, then Durin

[thick oyster]

Because the Abyss wanted to cause destruction through Rerir

[odd thicket]

If not Durin, then Wild Hunt again

[worldly rain]

Because you're assuming that's Ved when it's only told it was influence of abyss

Amd not full influence either as she herself says

[odd thicket]

Yes
Just the seeds planted

[worldly rain]

She uses perhaps word implying she was in control

[odd thicket]

Either ways she was not lucid

[worldly rain]

It's a way to deflect basically

[odd thicket]

Hmm him specifically…

[worldly rain]

If she knew it wasn't her fault she wouldn't have any regret but she did know

[thick oyster]

Well all of them probably
It's just Rerir is the only who fell face first into it

Surtalogi and Rhine also caused destruction
Hroptatyr is unknown
And Vedrfolnir is more indirect

[odd thicket]

Wait
Ved remarks how all events are proceeding as he had seen at the prison

[worldly rain]

No just abyss breakout influence

[thick oyster]

He stopped having visions for the most part after getting blinded
But then he saw another and told Rerir to go to the Universitas

[odd thicket]

And it influencing her more than the crimson moon’s grave ?

[odd thicket]

Bro became doordash but for abyss bell

Jumped into moon prison, somehow ended up in Nod Krai as Wild Hunt pasta

[worldly rain]

It's like breathing in poisonous gas makes you delirious
Also no it wasn't total control she wasn't a puppet
She needed the push to move and abyss just provided that
We know how abyss works it feed on your insecurity
The decision was entirely her alone

[odd thicket]

Needed the push to move ?

[worldly rain]

Bennett was in similar position for example

[odd thicket]

Hmm

[odd thicket]

Explain, was it in the resort ?

[worldly rain]

Remember how abyss wanted mavuika to end it all?

That kinda thing
Tholindis always wanted to use moon gate to go to the past
Abyss influence just pushed her to follow through basically

[odd thicket]

In 5.3?

[odd thicket]

Hmmm

So rather than control rerir
It was a coincidence instead ?

[worldly rain]

Yes before the big fight

[worldly rain]

Rerir case is different because we know it was Ved impersonating the voice so that he comes along and frees him from prison

[thick oyster]

Also how there was those Abyss victims in 5.2 experiencing hallucinations

[odd thicket]

Khaenrians seem to have different constitution from rest of teyvat

[thick oyster]

To an extent

[odd thicket]

Chlothar didnt suffer any such delusions

[thick oyster]

Not that we know of

Rhinedottir went crazy

[odd thicket]

And something about khaenrians makes them dangerous to be admitted into heavens and leylines

[odd thicket]

Obsession yeah

[thick oyster]

No that was because they were sinners

[thick oyster]

She only stabilized after merging with Naberius

[worldly rain]

Chlothar the same guy that worships abyssified Ved in crystal as his God lol

[odd thicket]

Yes

[odd thicket]

Hmm
Addled by abyss or amazed by its results

[odd thicket]

They also refused the throne of heaven which i think is the primary reason ?

Hmmp

[worldly rain]

I still wanna know how did her heart just fell into Rhine's hand
Like how did that happen lol

[thick oyster]

Hillichurls are the people from other nations who "rejected" Celestia by moving to Khaenri'ah

[odd thicket]

Ukko didnt move to khaenriah, or did he

[thick oyster]

I think Phanes probably ripped Naberius' heart out for something

[odd thicket]

Toxic Yuri

[thick oyster]

He mentions that he should go there now that everyone was dead

[odd thicket]

And he still returned..

[thick oyster]

Also selfc*st

[worldly rain]

For allowing Egeria to go ahead with her blasphemy I guess?

[thick oyster]

As a Hillichurl at least

[thick oyster]

Possibly

[odd thicket]

Never change rhine

[odd thicket]

Lawachurl

Same thing nvm

[thick oyster]

Lawachurls are hillichurls

[thick oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[odd thicket]

I still think it was Vedrfolnir who had tholindis jump to her death

It is something that he would do after being manipulated by Dottore

And dottore was manipulated by deshret

And deshret manipulated by hroptatyr

[wild marsh]

isnt deshret like giga old

[odd thicket]

Yes

At least over 3000

[wild marsh]

so what exactly do u imagine hrop is

[thick oyster]

No way

But we'll find out eventually

[odd thicket]

Odin with no hair on scalp and bad

[odd thicket]

Yeah
If they do make it so he did it, then they wish to give abyss a more decipherable persona to define it
Otherwise, they want him to be cleaner - pitiable

[thick oyster]

I think Vedrfolnir will be an anti-villain/anti-hero so I don't think they'll make him toooo evil

Hopefully he's the Archon of Khaenri'ah

If it isn't fucking Asmoday

[thick oyster]

I think Irmin would be the "Abyss persona" if any

[odd thicket]

That too can work

Taking revenge on Rerir

[thick oyster]

I mean his title literally means "Dark King"

[odd thicket]

Doubt he would be playable though

He is his own brother’s constellation

[thick oyster]

They just have similar constellations dude

Razor and Varka have nearly identical constellations

[odd thicket]

What is Varka’s

Lupus Beereas ?

[thick oyster]

Lupus Majoris

[thick oyster]

No

[odd thicket]

Asmoday sure as hell wouldnt be

[thick oyster]

I mean she's working with the Abyss Order

[odd thicket]

A shade being the archon of khaenriah is cruel irony

[odd thicket]

Because of Sibling

[thick oyster]

Yeah but she's a waifu so Hoyoverse would want to sell her more

[odd thicket]

She can be the second push or somethinf

Of snezhnaya or khaenriah

[thick oyster]

Maybe

[thick oyster]

Not Snezhnaya

[odd thicket]

Checked the wiki
It literally is the snake ring constellation

[thick oyster]

Yeah
They're both snakes

[odd thicket]

Vedrfolnir is the Ouroboros

And that is Dain’s con

Ig he dies

[thick oyster]

He's probably going to be Jormungundur or something

Also he isn't Ouroboros
The snake isn't biting its tail

[odd thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/suaske-itachi-naruto-gif-7830235

[thick oyster]

That's a stupid conclusion

[odd thicket]

Yet
Not biting yet

[thick oyster]

When would it

[odd thicket]

Jormungandr too is another instance of Ouroboros… hm

[thick oyster]

No it isn't

[odd thicket]

When he takes the FK and seals his own fate

[thick oyster]

No

[odd thicket]

No it is

Jormungandr bites his own tail

[odd thicket]

Just like istaroth

[thick oyster]

He's wrapped around Yggsdrasil

[odd thicket]

And into his own tail

[thick oyster]

Not always

[odd thicket]

He opens it close to his death , to take on thor yes

[thick oyster]

Yes

[odd thicket]

I recall bakunawa being another instance of ouroboros

Oh and btw

Ouroboros was present in many cultures across the planet

Without contact

Between some of them

[thick oyster]

Yeah I know
Like the pyramids

[vivid wasp]

Do you guys think the Tsaritsa will be pro or against Koitar and Seutervoinen

[lilac coral]

Lore basement has always had an exception where the spoiler decree lasted one week instead of two due to how members used to frantically want to talk about the new information

[lilac coral]

I've barely even fucking been here I wouldn't even notice lol

[sweet dune]

interesting

[lilac coral]

I'm team lead to the team that used to run the lore corner when it was an actual category and not just a single channel

[sweet dune]

how long has that been a thing?

[lilac coral]

Years

Since 2022 at the very least

[sweet dune]

......how did i manage to miss it...

[lilac coral]

Idk 😭

[sweet dune]

oh no im bad mod now :(

[lilac coral]

It's been a thing ever since I joined the server

It gave me whiplash LOL

[sweet dune]

gonna figure out more special rules i cannot be caught lacking

[lilac coral]

No problem lol

But yeah, when we were an actual category we had special rules like that

[sweet dune]

mhm exploration didn't have shd either

[lilac coral]

Idk if it changed when they eradicated most of it

Shd?

[sweet dune]

Spoiler hunt decree

[lilac coral]

Oh spoiler hunt

Yee

[sweet dune]

I mean it's a single channel so nothingburger thing to change now honestly

[lilac coral]

Okay

[odd thicket]

So nahida trailer has dottore glitches too....

[vivid wasp]

What about it

[thick oyster]

Pro
Everyone is gonna be anti Celestia and por rebellion

Even Nicole is pro Koitar and Seutervoinen

[vivid wasp]

True but being anti Celestia doesn't necessarily mean being pro Koitar and Seutervoinen
I get they were the ones who made the rebellion but you don't have to agree with how they went about it
Even if I don't think that's the main problem with them

I figured because like
Assuming the Tsaritsa is a fae