creating a thread for this discussion so it doesn't jam up the chat
#anti-jam thread
grand lintel
#fear-nightfall message and we were on here I believe
@spiral bolt rereading over the messages I sent screenshots of, I'm having trouble finding one that fits your description
could you forward one
spiral bolt
description of what?
spiral bolt
it doesn't link me back properly
grand lintel
I could be misinterpreting them
spiral bolt
discord has been acting stupid
grand lintel
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spiral bolt
grand lintel
yeah
I meant I don't know who left the original comment
And I was shown that comment by a non-dev as an example
spiral bolt
You're linking to stuff that has really narrowminded crap
they are saying we only want people to use the LPS partner link.
if that were true, why would we help using other hosts (that are not scams at least) or self hosting. It makes zero sense.
grand lintel
I'm not 100% sure why you're zeroing in on a comment left by an unknown person likely not part of the essential team
spiral bolt
Didn't say they were, but it shows people will leave nonsense like that all the time. You decided to bring it up, I'm just disproving their theory
spiral bolt
we don't push, we just suggest 
we also mention bloom from time to time as another option, hosting on their pc, or keeping an eye on oracle cloud free tier if they have openings some have success with their thing
Plenty options out there, some good, some horrible, some bad, some great. simple as that. Just depends on what a person's wanting or can do.
spiral bolt
Can you stop pinging for every message? We mention all the factors every time to give options as some don't know about other options. bloom is a host just like apex, bisect, etc. We have guides on how to set up a server and help people all the time with it. both written and video guides btw.
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grand lintel
spiral bolt
I had no clue on that but I've seen a lot of people like bloom.
grand lintel
reclarifying that my opinion is purely neutral on this and I'm just relaying
spiral bolt
Why are you doing a back and forth at all?
grand lintel
Because I'm interested in having both sides of the issue
Better to be informed than uninformed
spiral bolt
Then what's your current thinking of things? Cause I don't have the energy to go back and forth with a middle man situation with a team that I personally have no connection to at all?
If I wanted to chat with them I'd go there and talk to them. And it'd not my ideas and thoughts that will make any sort of change cause I'm not a dev.
grand lintel
My current raw opinion is that the LPS team's disliking of Essential and vice versa seems to be more sparked by opinionated beef, I haven't seen any screenshots of the essentials team yet, still waiting on chloe, but the screenshots I've seen of the LPS team have been less-than professional. Haven't formed a full opinion quite yet due to not having all the facts
spiral bolt
I don't have personal beef with them, just get annoyed with people who think we have to be compatible with everything attitudes
grand lintel
unsure where compatibility comes into this, I've run essential on LPS packs to test, and have had minimal issue
spiral bolt
qwek has a list of different logs and screenshots of it being only essential as the only change and having corruption problems.
grand lintel
qwek has a list of different logs and screenshots of it being only essential as ...
can I see them?
spiral bolt
We stopped all forms of support for essential. Cause of the issues that have arose in the past along with the attacks that have happened over the years.
As for the list of logs or screenshots I'd have to see if I can find it somewhere.
grand lintel
ping me if you do, I need to head out soon
slow forge
they added us to a groupchat and threatened to sue us lol
thats pretty much all that happened
slow forge
mhm
slow forge
i will in a minute
slow forge
they added us to a groupchat and threatened to sue us lol
and people have continued to try to add Essential to our modpacks & it still corrupts their world / causes massive lag
literally from yesterday
slow forge
and we already include a world hosting in our packs so its not like theres even any reason to use essential in the first place lol
everyone that adds it does it because they're uninformed
spiral bolt
or told they have to by their buddies
grand lintel
yeah I'm moreso just curious about the whole "beef" or whatever
the threatening to sue thing does sound interesting
spiral bolt
ever gotten threatened to be sued or to kill yourself for bullcrap that wasn't your fault?
grand lintel
ever gotten threatened to be sued or to kill yourself for bullcrap that wasn't y...
sued, no
kill myself, yes
spiral bolt
imagine hearing that over and over and over again
grand lintel
I do
spiral bolt
would you not wanna way to avoid it?
grand lintel
https://has-cool.pics/chorb/OKFFljy
that uh
doesn't exactly look like threatening to sue
slow forge
i also had someone else in my dms who was further confirming that legal action was going to be taken but i can't really specify who as they wanted to stay private
i'll see if i can find a good dm from them that's easy to censor
spiral bolt
the fact they were trying to sneak force people to needing it for packs is shady
grand lintel
I somewhat agree with this
an anonymous leaker just stating without proof that legal action is a possibility doesn't exactly fall into the bounds of threatening to sue
slow forge
an anonymous leaker just stating without proof that legal action is a *possibili...
i can absolutely guarantee you that this person was part of spark lol
they are known in the modding community
slow forge
i am much less inclined to believe this person
i dont think this random person in your dms knows what essential's team was like 2 years ago
in early 2023
lol
slow forge
the person who dmed me did it completely unprompted, at the same time as essential's team making the groupchat to threaten us
unless the person i was talking to has extrasensory perception and were risking their existing reputation with the modding community
grand lintel
i dont think this random person in your dms knows what essential's team was like...
I took it to their dms in the first place btw since it was developing and clogging the chat
slow forge
then i guess your guy is just stupid ðŸ˜
spiral bolt
as staff or as a player
slow forge
I took it to their dms in the first place btw since it was developing and cloggi...
yes, you prompted it in that case
this person dmed me first
spiral bolt
cause some people don't do staff till waaay later of actually joining
grand lintel
slow forge
even i knew this ðŸ˜
again i dont really see why this matters or what the goal of this is exactly
grand lintel
again i dont really see why this matters or what the goal of this is exactly
This is probably the most interesting conflict I've gathered info on in a while tbh
slow forge
grand lintel
It's nice to have both side's full opinions and views
slow forge
the person who dmed me about this did it a day before the groupchat was created
grand lintel
jeebus
slow forge
so i didnt even know about it yet
slow forge
This is probably the most interesting conflict I've gathered info on in a while ...
you should take a look at which side is trying to sell people ingame cosmetics and sponsoring youtubers to sell themed capes
grand lintel
not the first time a mod has done that
spiral bolt
This is why I said she's the better person to talk to about this, as she had to deal with this crap herself.
slow forge
not the first time a mod has done that
it was scummy then and it's still scummy now
spiral bolt
sadly won't be the last, but we talk about free options that are safe and legal all the time. like using curseforge, atl, modrinth, etc instead of using cracked launchers even if they have official MC connected to it
grand lintel
never quite understood how almost every mod/modpack dev I know somewhat despises/dislikes one another
most of the time it's for understandable reasons
spiral bolt
can't please everyone
grand lintel
Like Deceasedcraft and Cursed walking have beef solely because they're the same genre
spiral bolt
ah ok.
yeah I don't like that sort of thing personally so makes sense, but also the horror/zombie type mods slack hard 
it's hard to find decent ones for a pack. So kudos to those who do fight to make things work with what they can
grand lintel
it's hard to find decent ones for a pack. So kudos to those who do fight to make...
yeah deceasedcraft is one of the only modpacks I've genuinely seen through to the end
they have whole trailers for updates too lemme find a couple
Pretty sure they literally have just 1 guy who does all the custom city stuff
Since their dev team is only 3 people