Modpack Prominence FABRIC

[zenith meadow]

strength was nerfed because everyone would do full strength builds and do a lot of damage while also tanking, the idea is to avoid that

[fickle finch]

Now there is a problem with Constitution
Also, if you only invest in strength, you will not have crits, and your damage will be approximately equal to the player who invests in critical damage, or even less

[zenith meadow]

you don't need crits if you oneshot everything with your bare hands

we are going for this balance in 1.7.1

#suggestions message

[fickle finch]

It's good that not only did I pay attention to the balance problem, one crit problem remains open, investing 50 points in luck you get 100% crits (which with relics increases damage by 7 times), against a small increase in strength damage. But I'll probably continue this thread in that thread.

[raven spire]

It doesn’t though, crit chance is a diminishing stat so 50 points in luck caps at 63% crit chance. The diminishing could be made more aggressive too.

But I agree crit damage relics and crit as a whole are too strong, hence a lot of those relic changes in that thread

[fickle finch]

Yes, I saw the thread, I agree with 90% of the proposed ideas. Some things (like removing HP regeneration from intelligence) seem good to me, but in general I liked what you suggested

[ebon agate]

Actually I just realised this but the crit chance gain from luck for spells should probably be lowerthan the other ones because of the Spell Volitality enchant that gives flat crit %

Because that was a thing I really noticed on medieval-mc, it was not too difficult at all to hit 100% crit rate with about 30 luck

Guessing it's not too dissimilar on prominence

[raven spire]

If you were at 100% crit rate with 30 luckiness, that may have been from a bug in that pack giving duplicate crit chance/damage for awhile

still that was definitely a concern when deciding about where to put the default spell crit scaling, there’s also a similar issue thing with spell crit damage.

It’s technically impossible to hit 100% crit chance on ranged/melee, but it’s a bit hard to compare them one to one like that. maybe it could be nerfed more in the future if it still feels way stronger

[raven spire]

Can you hover the luckiness stat

[ebon agate]

updated the pack 10 min ago

so it's on the latest update

and that's without any relic that gives % crit chance

weapon ofc

and the op off-hand

[raven spire]

can you replace your hat/chest with ones that have just the volatility enchant, no relics

but also last I checked spell volatility/amplify spell only applied once regardless of how many pieces it was on, did that change?

[ebon agate]

arcane robe ones?

[raven spire]

doesn’t matter

as long as it’s not fire

[ebon agate]

spell volitality definitly stacks on all pieces

[raven spire]

Maybe that’s the issue

[ebon agate]

if i take off my boots i lose 12% chance

[raven spire]

it didn’t used to

[ebon agate]

so enchant is giving like 48%

[raven spire]

yeah that’s huge

[ebon agate]

and on prominence you can get at least up to spell volitality 8

[raven spire]

Do you know if the crit chance/damage applying for every piece now is intentional? @zinc nimbus @north herald ^

[ebon agate]

this is only with 6

giganerf incoming? 😅

hahaha

[zinc nimbus]

Crit chance on each piece is multiplicative

Same with enchants i believe

[north herald]

It is intentional now, it was changed when Daedelus was made aware that the armor enchants didn't stack

[raven spire]

ok spell crit definitely needs compensation nerfs lmao

[north herald]

Now the values of what they were before were changed for balance in Daedelus' own mod, but of course it will be rather strong in modpacks because other mods

[zinc nimbus]

Theres a config setting for modifying enchant values

[ebon agate]

luckiness now gives -2% for spell haha

[north herald]

I do believe spell crit has been needing a nerf for quite a while, as it is the only style that can reasonably get max crit damage and now it can get max crit chance too easily

[raven spire]

Could make the diminishing more aggressive, so it caps at like 33% from luckiness instead of 63

[ebon agate]

wdym it needs a nerf? :)

[raven spire]

Medieval moment

[north herald]

I would assume you've leveled a lot

[zinc nimbus]

medieval moment

[north herald]

or playing brute lol

[ebon agate]

I think the enchants need a nerf, if that's possible

[ebon agate]

icarae lvl 119

[north herald]

yeah 119

[raven spire]

this might be useful for the packs too, but I’m thinking for the default wizardex stats it should probably be lowered now in this case. that’s a lot of free crit from enchants.

[north herald]

yeah, spell volatility stacking is crazy strong

fire robes stacking also very strong

[zinc nimbus]

Also, spell volatility isnt supposed to go over 5

[ebon agate]

it's 2% per level right?

[north herald]

Zenith moment

[zinc nimbus]

It's designed to be capped at 5 per piece

Yeah zenith moment

[ebon agate]

I mean this is biomemakeovers doing

maybe you can do higher with zenith on medieval

[raven spire]

True zenith actually won’t let you get that high

on prominence it will

[ebon agate]

I know on prominence zenith lets you get 8

[raven spire]

but it’s capped in medieval

[ebon agate]

or well that's the highest I've seen

so that's like 64% crit chance from armor enchants

at the high end

[north herald]

gotta love that 120%+ crit chance

[raven spire]

how much crit chance is 4 pieces at level 5?

[zinc nimbus]

40

[raven spire]

that’s still..

lol

[north herald]

yeah, around 40 I think

[zinc nimbus]

Yeah but base mod thats like the only source of crit

[ebon agate]

this is why I asked about the crit chance being the same for spell haha

[zinc nimbus]

Along with the arcane robes

[north herald]

Like I said, good for base mod, but for modpacks it be crazy strong

[zinc nimbus]

Should be 1% per level

[north herald]

Yeah

Maybe even 0.5

[ebon agate]

Probably a good start

[raven spire]

Well the whole wizardex stat scaling was made similar to ranged/melee because the enchants weren’t that strong

but yeah, definitely 1% I think

or more aggressive diminishing

[zinc nimbus]

Some power should be taken away from enchants i believe

at the moment enchants are like half the scaling

Should be closer to 1/4 or 1/3

[north herald]

I do feel like aggressive diminishing might be the overall aim really

[ebon agate]

Enchants are ridiculous

[zinc nimbus]

Also Starforge can have its Frost and Fire attributes lowered to like 1 or 2 each or something

[north herald]

I agree with that highly

[zinc nimbus]

So more investment is required into Frost and Fire to reach previous effectiveness

Thankfully you can do that in the config 🙂

[raven spire]

the only problem is data attribute’s diminishing can’t affect enchants, they’re actually different stats that just get added together

[ebon agate]

honestly I feel like 1% and maybe also more agressive diminishing because doing just more diminising makes the enchants feel even "stronger" relative to leveling/relics

[raven spire]

small technical limitation

[north herald]

Starforge is basically equal to the power of an mmc obsidilith weapon

[zinc nimbus]

Thankfully starforge doesnt drop from obsidilith LMAO

imagine, 36 each stat

[north herald]

I don't wanna think about if it did

[raven spire]

adds it to the loot table

[north herald]

lmao

[zinc nimbus]

Archmagus could be made harder too

Or starforge drop rate nerfed

[ebon agate]

Give me scaling for the archmagus dimension so I can get stronker :)

[north herald]

Archmagus should be a lot more difficult for having such powerhouse weapons

even frostborn gavel is still very strong

[raven spire]

anyway, so nerf the enchants definitely, and nerf spell crit stats a bit. will look into this

[zinc nimbus]

I believe he should do a fuckton of damage so its required to have magic res when fighting him

[fickle finch]

What about decrease maximum enchanting level to 4?

[zinc nimbus]

his damage increases with his attack attribute, so it should be easy to scale his damage

[raven spire]

Oh yeah could add a line to dungeon difficulty for his dimension

yeah especially if it scales with generic damage

[zinc nimbus]

He does 1/3 phys damage 2/3 magic damage, scaling 1:1 with attack damage attribute

[north herald]

Just don't up the scaling of the loot he drops, it doesn't need it lol

[raven spire]

eyes

[ebon agate]

👀

[zinc nimbus]

Triple magus' damage

[ebon agate]

give me scaling or give me death

[zinc nimbus]

make him deadly

One flaming divebomb and everyone explodes

[ebon agate]

scale with distance from 0 0

[raven spire]

can I scale the number of backflips he does with dungeon difficulty

[ebon agate]

hahaha

[north herald]

Yeah, make him have moves unobtainable in-game

super strong

[zinc nimbus]

He changes element for every 1/10 max health damage he takes, twice as often during last phase

[ebon agate]

just make magus damage ignore all damage reduction, that way you have to dodge. roll ftw

[north herald]

I'm actually enjoying rolling a lot more

[ebon agate]

rolling is nice

[raven spire]

I do like that medieval has at least one fight where rolling is really valuable now

[zinc nimbus]

His divebomb is a bit hard to dodge without roll length

[ebon agate]

I went for the first souls boss iin like iron armor

[north herald]

I imagine we'll also see use of the duelist and acrobat books potentially

[zinc nimbus]

You really need to time it right

[ebon agate]

oneshot me but after i got the pattern down it was great with dodge

[zinc nimbus]

Also fighting him on 20tps is like 5x harder than on 15tps lol

[ebon agate]

🤔

[north herald]

Yeah, just use that with multi-roll

[zinc nimbus]

He goes super saiyan on 20tps

[raven spire]

on medieval there’s also a roll distance stat on legging loot

[ebon agate]

problem with overleveling multiroll is it hits other things in the ui and ´that sucks :c

makes me sad

[raven spire]

true it needs to be moved the corner like prominence

[zinc nimbus]

Its possible to scale attack damage with dungeon difficulty right?

[raven spire]

yeah

you can scale any attribute

[zinc nimbus]

For MMC at least he should have like 10x the health and 3x the damage

[ebon agate]

MMC he was the biggest pushover boss lol

[north herald]

Looks like we got another final boss 🙂

[zinc nimbus]

Its bc he doesnt scale in MMC yet

The update came out and there was nothing in dungeon difficulty to scale him

[north herald]

Tbf, muon was still in the forest

[zinc nimbus]

yea

[raven spire]

you know it’s just a config file right 👀

[zinc nimbus]

yea i shouldve been the one to send a config file

I didnt know when the update was coming tho

[raven spire]

to be fair the MMC one is a massive horrifying config file with a ton of jank and cursed workarounds to make everything play nice together

[north herald]

I haven't had a lot of time recently, dealing with some real life stuff. But I will be working on the build guide, I have configs for loot tables to suggest so that the mcdw, paladins and priests, spellblades and such, and wizards loot amount is balanced (hopefully), and Elo has me working on another thing, otherwise I probably would have looked at the config file already 😅

[north herald]

That's also very true

[zinc nimbus]

im considering a funny mechanic where hes invisible in his final form, but his reflection isnt

[north herald]

That reminds me, I need to do the same thing with mmc that I did for prominence. Do you know how to use RegEx? I imagine you do

[zinc nimbus]

so you're gonna have to try hitting him based on where you see his reflection is at relative to yourself

maybe he'll do that for 5 seconds after he gets struck by lightning

[north herald]

I say go ahead and do that, that would be a fun mechanic

[ebon agate]

honestly that sounds like an interesting mechanic

the fun factor will probably just depend on how obvious it is to the average player that you can see him in the water

[zinc nimbus]

Some shaders might make it hard too

[ebon agate]

wdym shaders always play nice 😰

[raven spire]

I know some

You know who’s pretty good at regex

chatgpt

[zinc nimbus]

Alternatively, when he gets hit by lightning, he splits into three, and only the one with a reflection is the real one

[raven spire]

I like

[north herald]

yeah, there's a list of things, mostly weapons, that need to be blacklisted from using spells as they already have a right-click ability

[raven spire]

ohhh for the spell engine update

right

[raven spire]

If you send a full list of what needs to be blacklisted I could do it, have some time this weekend

[north herald]

alrighty, I'll work on that list tonight then and send it

did the same thing for prominence

[zinc nimbus]

Ok, Archmagus is now invisible aside from his reflection in Frost mode, and has 3 extra clones during Arcane mode

to really fuck with you lol

[raven spire]

sounds fun

[zinc nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtgan0l-wY

😈

[ebon agate]

Arcane part really reminds me of the brain of Cthulhu in terraria

looks sick though

Pretty evil to make them all have 100% opacity hahaha

[zinc nimbus]

The reflection gives him away

[ebon agate]

Ah, didn't catch that since it was behind your player model for most of the section haha

no excuses here >.>

[raven spire]

What’s the id for this dimension for difficulty scaling?

[zinc nimbus]

spellbladenext:glassocean