UCLA 🐻🐻🐻 (2022-2023)

[astral prawn]

Is there gonna be a lot of wl movement on Monday?

[spare iron]

ayyy congrats!

are u oos?

[quartz cobalt]

Does rolling basis mean randomly throughout the day

[storm bridge]

rolling means as space opens up for that college, major, and demographic

[quartz cobalt]

Oh

[astral prawn]

Are there majors that move more than others at ucla or just in general?

[autumn dock]

ling cs pleaseeeeeeeeeeee

pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee

[prime ibex]

PLEASE

[thorn agate]

Nahh instead

Instate*

I would rather recommend going to cc then

If u look at stats cc is most of transfers and if u do tap and cccp u will have a solid chance at ling + cs since it’s non impacted

[spare iron]

W

[dreamy mesa]

does anyone know how to submit the immunization form

[vernal mason]

Anyone got off the WL?

[thorn agate]

Including me as of now I only know three people that got off

[dapper trench]

Congrats

[prime ibex]

PLEASE UCLA

[opal lion]

The only status update I am getting is their final rejection of me...:(

[prime ibex]

Do they do that

[cedar heron]

So real 😔😔😔😭😭😭

[opal lion]

Assuming when it’s finally over we get notified that we r out? Not sure though.

[astral prawn]

Have any gone out today??

[thorn agate]

Is the ucla roommate housing thing due today?

Like meaning do we have to submit our roommate preference today?

[shy steppe]

i believe it was may 2 11:59 pm?

[sage fern]

I don’t think so

I think it’s just that you’re guaranteed your roommates if you submit by that deadline

[thorn agate]

Alright hopefully it’s not today cus I can’t even submit my housing app

[quiet elk]

roommates locked housing form submitted. Time to wait for orientation

[random river]

For u guys getting off wl, what are ur majors (both main n alternate)?

[thorn agate]

Psych and alternate is undeclared

Psych was an impacted major so I’m surprised I got off the wl

[prime ibex]

Do they even unwaitlist undecided

[random river]

wow that's great man congrats

i myself have cs as the first and applied math as alternate

dk if that helps anyway since both seem pretty impacted

[thorn agate]

Manifest. We got this ur getting off the wl

[opal lion]

Please!!! Good luck to all

[dark aurora]

hey i turned down ucla cs so good luck for wl'ed ppl

[quiet elk]

MANIFESTING FOR ALL YOU WL’ERS

YOU CAN DO IT

[lucid rose]

🙏

[prime ibex]

PLEASE PLEASE 🙏

[shy moss]

no way

that's so sick dude

congrats

[thorn agate]

thank you. didnt think my acceptance for ucla would be 2% lol

[prime ibex]

PLEASE

PLEASE UCLA

[storm bridge]

congrats, which major/location?

[glacial falcon]

how easy would it be to switch to math of comp from bus econ?

[random river]

i forgot to ask, what is your stats?

[thorn agate]

psych

[storm bridge]

cool, in-state?

[thorn agate]

igetc done and lower div, asb (treasurer, vice president, president), mesa treasurer, mun, xc/track and field, couple other clubs, eagle scout, volunteering, in state (socal), 4.54w

[thorn agate]

yh socal

[modern lodge]

hi hopefully i'll see some of y'all on campus next year <333

just did the final send off post and i'm feeling so blessed 2 go to ucla n thankful for this chat lol

[woven violet]

Has anyone oos gotten off yet?

[solid coral]

Still waiting on UCLA. Read on reddit that one person got off the WL in CoE

[opal lion]

Just now?

If there are spots this could be a king and drawn out process

[woven violet]

If you’re talking about the electrical engineering guy he was in state

[honest void]

So far I've only heard about instate people getting off wl

[solid coral]

i thought there was one OOS from biomed

[woven violet]

You’re gonna have to show a screenshot because I don’t believe you

[solid coral]

Sorry. Just checked. that was Cornell for BME

[woven violet]

ok np

[glacial falcon]

I hope to see you too!

This chat has been so helpful

[woven violet]

Did anyone here anything for engineering?

[lethal imp]

People are claiming some in state have

[prime ibex]

Ugh I’ve only heard in state kids get off

[cerulean girder]

UCs prioritize in state kids

As they should

[prime ibex]

:/

[dapper trench]

Holy shit

Just got off UCLA waitlist international

[woven violet]

Bruuuuuh same I got off for OOS EE

[vernal mason]

U got mail?

[dapper trench]

Email

[vernal mason]

Congrats

[woven violet]

ty bro, I know this is probably meant for the other dude but I'm still taking it

[dapper trench]

I’m Intl so will probably have to reject because of cost 😦

[vernal mason]

No no it’s meant for both

[woven violet]

ok lmao, thanks again

[vernal mason]

Even I’m intl

I wish I also get in

[worn pelican]

@ashen sequoia 🐻

[ashen sequoia]

I GOT INNNNNNBN]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

[worn pelican]

🎊

[ashen sequoia]

LINGCS LES GOOOOOOOO

HOLLLLLYYYYY

[brisk dust]

yo anyone else just get off the waitlist??

[unborn nova]

me

[vernal mason]

I gave up my ucsd seat

Someone give me their UCLA seat

😭😂

[storm bridge]

mostly college of letters & sciences or did anyone get in for engineering too?

[ashen sequoia]

^ looks like this guy got off for EE

[dapper trench]

How does hosuing application work for WL acceptances? Do we have extended deadlines?

[woven violet]

I would assume so

[thorn agate]

15 days

From when u got in

I feel like ucla acceptance off the wl is gunna be high this year. A gut feeling that I wish

[dapper trench]

We have 1 week to accept then a week after to do housing?

Any disadvantage for housing placements?

Also what is the housing deposit?

[thorn agate]

They said do it early

[thorn agate]

Just a deposit for ur housing

[dapper trench]

Where does it say? and thanks!

[dapper trench]

I meant how much $

[thorn agate]

I called them

[thorn agate]

30

[dapper trench]

bruh thats it?

[thorn agate]

Yh

For housing

[dapper trench]

I was about to pay $450 for UCSD this morning

Okay, thank you!

[thorn agate]

God dam

Ru in the college confidential thread?

[dapper trench]

No, anything important there

[thorn agate]

Someone similar to u was there

[dapper trench]

Haha no that was not me

[thorn agate]

They committed to ucsd but got accepted to ucla in anthropology

[humble trellis]

I got into UCLA!! They got me off the waitlist tyy 🥲

business econ! 😚

[storm bridge]

which major? city?

[dapper trench]

Science + Canada

[marsh perch]

Yo fellow Canadian 👀

[storm bridge]

cool

[topaz vale]

welcome little bruins

[honest roost]

UCLA u want me sooo bad

[woven violet]

What is UCLA known for?

[elder pumice]

being ucla

everyone knows those 4 letters

[prime ibex]

Sucking

[woven violet]

Hey not cool

[unborn nova]

if you got off the LA a waitlist

do u still get mail

[vernal mason]

Yesss

[unborn nova]

?

[clear pecan]

wdym

like a mailed letter?

[unborn nova]

yuh

anyone got a discord link 💀💀💀

[elder pumice]

you could prob look it up

or activate your ucla.edu email and join student hub

[unborn nova]

okie

[spiral sedge]

yes

[worldly lance]

Did anyone get off WL for CS

[hot niche]

man why is WL major based

bullshit

[storm bridge]

it's a combination of college, major, gender, demographics, location.. not as much merit based

[spare iron]

Ofc it will be

They only have a certain amount of space for each major

Although it is very unfortunate

[red plank]

did u get off the waitlist?

[red plank]

anyone know if the engineering majors got off?

[unborn nova]

nah just wondering hbu

[red plank]

still waiting lol

[prime ibex]

Ahh i put undecided

No shot im getting off the WL

[leaden fog]

but many ppl are gonna switch majors after enrollment 😭

[storm bridge]

thats why many people who game the system (putting a non-competitive major) get through and those who put cs / cse suffer

[red plank]

I should have applied to structural engineering or some shit like that

and switch into CS later

[woven violet]

Well they still have to get into Samueli to have an easy switch

[unborn nova]

if i cancel an ap exam

like i said i was gonna take it

b it decided to cancel and then i fill out the additional info form

i won’t get like

rescinded right

[red plank]

Ask them

[red plank]

Has UCLA released any engineering waitlists yet?

[thorn agate]

Anyone going to ucla waitlist admitted welcome thing?

[dapper trench]

Me!

[unborn nova]

wait

when is it

???

and where can i find more info

[unborn nova]

is it basically the transfer day?

[hearty mist]

yes, my friend got in from waitlist

[thorn agate]

Email

[unborn nova]

oh bruh wtf i didn’t get smt thing 😭 lemme chdck

[thorn agate]

Did u get in through wl?

[thorn agate]

Basically besides we get a own thing in the morning

[unborn nova]

oh fr

that’s a W

[thorn agate]

I think u have to rsvp though

That’s what the email said

[red plank]

Thought u didn’t get in through waitlist?

[unborn nova]

it ain’t a crime 💀

[civic robin]

GUYS THE THIRD WAVE IS OUT I THINK

JUST GOT MY ACCEPTANCE

[cedar heron]

NICE CONGRATS

What major did you get in with?

[civic robin]

comp sci

[cedar heron]

Omg that’s literally incredible props to u congrats

[civic robin]

it’s out…

[thorn agate]

At this time? Wow

[civic robin]

tyyyy

hella rando i saw email i thought it was rejection

[leaden kelp]

they might have just saw the email/notification rn

[thorn agate]

Yh probably

[civic robin]

nah i’m checking my email like a jock

hock*

[thorn agate]

Cus I haven’t seen or heard anyone get off today

[civic robin]

hawk*

i’m diff

[thorn agate]

Maybe ur email was late

[civic robin]

i think this was the regents reject round

[thorn agate]

That’s probably it

[civic robin]

yea

[leaden kelp]

it is possible the email is delayed from the portal update

[thorn agate]

^

[leaden kelp]

happens all the time to many schools

i never even got my email update for umich

[civic robin]

idk what happened but all ik is that my ass is stupid

[leaden kelp]

to this day i cant find it

[thorn agate]

Do we still think wl acceptance hitting 10% this year

[civic robin]

tbh i think it’s 1%

[thorn agate]

It looks higher than last year but not at the rate of 10% as of now I feel

[civic robin]

they like to be extra fr

[thorn agate]

I wanna guess around 6% at most

[leaden kelp]

it looks like many people who got off already are accepting their offers

so probably not too high

[thorn agate]

Ahh

I wanna guess Friday around 200 people or so got off

[civic robin]

any of y’all think there’s a fourth round?

[thorn agate]

Yh

[leaden kelp]

200 is like 3x as much as last year already i think

[thorn agate]

219 was last year

[storm bridge]

whats regents reject round?

[thorn agate]

First round was like 10 people so we around 220rn from my guess

The 200 coming from guessing cus we got a handful from this server and college confidential which will be around 40 and then the people who didn’t post so 200

[leaden kelp]

hmm

[thorn agate]

He’s playing around I think

But congrats on getting in!!!!

[leaden kelp]

yea and i'd say about half of them probably accepted

probably more

[thorn agate]

I want to say more cus it’s so close to may 1

[leaden kelp]

considering they accepted the waitlist position first it should be higher than the general yield rate

[thorn agate]

And no deposit fee I think. Atleast for me

Maybe around 4% this year then actually thinking of everything

Fuckkk I forgot to apply to the media team 😭

And I’m not going to pull somethin outta me ass rn

[unborn nova]

wait

is there a way to not loose a deposit

like if u commit to a uc

but go to another uc bc of wl

is there a way to like transfer teh deposit or anything

[thorn agate]

Well I didn’t pay for my despot

Deposit

[unborn nova]

for ucla?

[leaden kelp]

do you have a deposit waiver?

[thorn agate]

And I didn’t pay for a deposit for any other uc too

[thorn agate]

Yh

[leaden kelp]

yea u prob have a waiver

[thorn agate]

Yh

[unborn nova]

wtf is this deposit waiver

[leaden kelp]

from financial aid

its like the application fee waiver

[thorn agate]

They think u payed for another uc already that’s y I think

[unborn nova]

oo

hold up

[thorn agate]

That would only make sense

[unborn nova]

did u alr make ur ucla login stuff

llama

[leaden kelp]

you said you didnt pay for any other UC too so for you its probably a deposit waiver

[thorn agate]

Yh

Everything

[unborn nova]

kk

so like

[leaden kelp]

cuz other people have to pay deposit for WL i think

[unborn nova]

thats when they sent u infoo n stuff

how long did it take for the account to activate

after u made teh accnt

[thorn agate]

Ohhh didn’t know

[unborn nova]

i might make my accnt like on friday or like the weekend

[thorn agate]

15min at most

[unborn nova]

so imjust curious

oh aight

thats sick

[thorn agate]

It’s confusing but it’s not that bad

[unborn nova]

aight

[thorn agate]

I would do it so u can start housing

[unborn nova]

mhmm

[thorn agate]

They said sooner the better

[unborn nova]

did u alr submit housing?/

yea

ill prolly get it all done thurs night tbh

[thorn agate]

Yh I got off wl on the 28th

[unborn nova]

im lookin for roommates 💀

oh dam

good for u

so then ur gonna be there saturday

[thorn agate]

Thx

Send me a ig

[unborn nova]

did u just go random

aight

[thorn agate]

Yep

[unborn nova]

dmed

btw

can u pick roommates even after submitting housing

or nah

[thorn agate]

Yh after u submit u choose ur roommate

[unborn nova]

i think it has

(at least the major i got in for was l&s)

envi sci

[thorn agate]

Psych for me

[vernal mason]

Any engineering ppl??

[red plank]

Haven’t heard back yet

[brisk dust]

I got in for bio

[unborn nova]

if anyones lookin for a roommate hmu

thx

[worn pelican]

Any waitlist updates?

[thorn agate]

I think only up to wave 2 so far

No movement for wave 3 yet

[fickle condor]

has anyone received a waitlist rejection?

[honest roost]

nu

[daring oriole]

nope

[worn pelican]

Any updates? I thought today was wave 3

[honest void]

Probably tmrrw, apparently someone admitted on college confidential said they had until today to commit for wave 2

[lapis umbra]

oh fr?

[random river]

what r ur stats?

[lusty fern]

pure comp sci?

also ik someone who got off the ucla waitlist in september last yr when he was already attending berkeley

[unborn nova]

bruh

la>berk

[worn pelican]

there hasn't been a wave for awhile, any idea on when the next one is

[leaden kelp]

there’s always a chance that they filled up most of the class with the previous wave already

[prime ibex]

Ngl

I think it might be it for us waitlisters

[worn pelican]

it may be

[prime ibex]

It’s been a good run 😔

[worn pelican]

its a shame

UCLA waitlist acceptance rate was so much higher this year

but still didn't getin

[prime ibex]

A huge shame there goes my dream school

[worn pelican]

[prime ibex]

It’s cool tho bc I wouldn’t be able to afford it anyway

[leaden kelp]

i mean

they waitlist thousands

and accept only a couple hundred

so dont feel bad about yourself that you werent taken off

they waitlisted way more than needed from the start

[lapis umbra]

damn rip

[thorn agate]

Was it that much higher? I only saw abt 80 kids at the waitlist event and since it was last min I was pike in junk abt only 1/3 came

[leaden kelp]

i think we might be overestimating the amount of people based on how many we've seen get off in a2c and CC

people on the waitlist and get off for ucla are more likely to use and say it on these forums i think

[boreal wraith]

last year was 300+ i believe

doesnt seem unreasonable

[leaden kelp]

yea like 380 out of 11,500+

they waitlist more than the size of the class

[worn pelican]

its def higher this year

i know a bunch of people irl, and a bunch of ppl on tiktok, college confidential, a2c all say the same thin

[thorn agate]

Ohhh I heard like 190 last year

[worn pelican]

Do they send waitlist rejections?

[boreal wraith]

They’ll do it middle of summer

[prime ibex]

I need it now

I can’t keep up this hope

[cerulean girder]

Gl

[worn pelican]

Frrr

[lapis umbra]

its time to let go

[dark aurora]

dont worry im sure you'll do great at harvaleford university of technology

[worn pelican]

no waitlist today

looks like its over

[lusty fern]

how do you know?

[prime ibex]

It’s over 😔

[worn pelican]

[spare iron]

not over

[worn pelican]

They leave that open until like august

[spare iron]

but theres still always a chance

[worn pelican]

It’s been more than 9 days since the last wave which was pretty big

I think they’re going to do very small short admits now, I don’t think they’ll do another wave

[spare iron]

maybe

but whatever they do theres still a chance

whatever happens happens

[leaden kelp]

i think the only chance we have left now are if someone already enrolled gets off the waitlist at another school and withdraws their enrollment from ucla (hence why they dont want to close the waitlist just yet)

[storm bridge]

https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/2023/03/lawmakers-uc-enrollment-admissions/

[elder pumice]

i agree with this in principle

imo at least 90% of uc undergraduates should be californians

nobody with amazing grades should see themselves rejected from every campus

[prime ibex]

Sucks to not have quotas #NCONTOP

[hot niche]

100% agree

the whole impacted vs nonimpacted shouldnt even exist imo atleast to this extreme

[woven violet]

I mean they already have a significant advantage in admissions as well as tuition, and rightfully so. I don't think it needs to be at 90%.

[lusty fern]

texas and georgia have it at 90%

theres no reason for cs majors from CA with 4.0s and great ECs to go to out of state schools like purdue or uiuc because they couldn't pull UCs

[woven violet]

Nope, Texas schools are the only ones in the country with that high of a percentage

[woven violet]

They could absolutely pull a UC with those sorts of credentials but they are not entitled to a spot at UCLA if they are significantly less qualified than an out of state candidate.

[lethal imp]

If they pay taxes for the school they’re absolutely more entitled

The primary goal of public universities is to educate those who live in the state and pay to fund it. Believe it or not, not every school is built for the purpose of solely educating already top-tier students

There’s a reason why the UC system, which has been doing well for decades, decided to make Merced not too long ago despite many of you claiming it’s the “worst UC”

Because their goal is to educate their state, and Merced especially hit on an audience that was missing an education

[cerulean girder]

They can pull UCs they just can’t pull the top UCs

Like Cal, UCLA, UCSD, etc.

They can def pull some of the other UCs tho

I feel at least

It’s just Purdue and UIUC are probably better for CS than the UCs they’re getting into

[cerulean girder]

Just Texas, Georgia is normal

[cerulean girder]

Agreed but we’re essentially paying taxes too

Our COA is triple y’all’s

Maybe not triple but more than double

[lethal imp]

That’s if they guarantee you an education

There are people who end up paying taxes and getting nothing in return

[cerulean girder]

True true

[woven violet]

They literally are doing a satisfactory job of educating it’s instate residents. UCLA and UCB both have similar in-state percentages as other top public universities. Also since 2021 all the UC schools have been moving towards accepting more instate students so what that means is that every OOS student that gets accepted this cycle has to be significantly more qualified than the average instate student that gets accepted. There is nothing wrong with the current UCLA admissions system and they have done more than enough to serve the needs of its residents.

[woven violet]

More entitled, yes. But not entitled in the absolute sense to the degree where a significantly more qualified OOS student doesn’t get a shot at admissions.

Also accepting more of the best students from OOS and internationally are going to benefit the state in the long run because those top students will most likely get a job in the state that they graduated from.

[worn pelican]

the issue is that there a lot more less qualified OOS students being prioritized over overqualified in state students.

[woven violet]

That's not happening. The average gpa of the accepted OOS student is much higher than the average gpa of the accepted instate students. If an instate student loses his spot to an OOS student he or she has nobody to blame except themselves.

[elder pumice]

at some point it is a skill issue yes

the 25% oos figures for the uc's are high but there's always worse a la umich

[prime ibex]

I feel like you’re right and wrong here because yes it should be based on merit and merit wise yes OOS are better on average, but also Cali residents DO pay money to fund these colleges

Cali should probably get some quotas like NC has

[elder pumice]

i think something upwards of 80% in state is reasonable

[woven violet]

I agree and that is why I believe they should be prioritized in admissions to some extent. However, they already are prioritized right now so anyone complaining about how the current system isn’t fair to instate students just aren’t being rational.

[elder pumice]

it used to be very unfair

[woven violet]

Instate students were always preferred and now they are just preferred even more.

[elder pumice]

and i hold the belief that they should be preferred even more than that

but then you run up the issue of educational quality

over here at ucsd we're planning to hit 50k students within the next decade

[woven violet]

No, they really shouldn’t because at some point admitting too many unqualified in state hurts the quality of education the university can provide.

[elder pumice]

i never said they were unqualified

[woven violet]

Sorry my bad, less-qualified

[elder pumice]

by the very nature of being competitive uc has to let go thousands of "qualified" students who would do very well under a uc education

[woven violet]

They can be qualified but others could be more qualified

The ones that are more qualified end up doing more with a UCLA degree

[elder pumice]

well, i hope that they do more for california

[woven violet]

They already do, with the community college pathway

UCLA intentionally leaves transfer spots open specifically so they can serve instate community college transfers

[elder pumice]

i will agree with you that the cc transfer system is great and must stay

[cerulean girder]

So are we though! Our COA is a lot more than that of California residents

[prime ibex]

Yeah bro but ca residents pay regardless if they’re going or not

You pay tuition they pay taxes

It’s not the same

[cerulean girder]

UCs essentially cost the same amount as elite private schools for oos students

[prime ibex]

Plus like you chose to go there they didn’t choose to pay those taxes

Yea and again

You chose to go there

[cerulean girder]

True but counterpoint

Usually what state schools do is they vary funding based on the number of in state students attending the state school

[elder pumice]

i believe that state funding is a larger share of uc revenue than is tuition

[cerulean girder]

Like they do control for that

So it’s not like your taxes are going down the drain

[elder pumice]

but i think the largest funding source for most campuses is health services

[prime ibex]

You’re missing the point bruh- they don’t choose to pay for the school regardless of what share of funding it is, you do

[cerulean girder]

Maybe the UCs should consider a system where each person is only accepted to one campus

For example, I was accepted to both UC campuses that I applied to

But I can’t attend both

[prime ibex]

Maybe just like quotas

[cerulean girder]

And some ppl who apply to a lot are accepted to most/all of the ones

[daring oriole]

Just denied on the 20th

[elder pumice]

that's actually how it used to be

[cerulean girder]

I think quotas are fine for some of the UCs

But not all of them

[lethal imp]

Get over yourself

[cerulean girder]

Wym?

All state schools admit oos students

And enroll them

Maybe it’s because I’m not a California resident

[lethal imp]

People should possibly end up at a campus they’d be unhappy at because rich people want in to the system?

[cerulean girder]

But I don’t really see the issue

[lethal imp]

Yeah exactly this is probably why

[cerulean girder]

But other states don’t have this issue

Despite having plenty of oos studebts

[lethal imp]

Because people don’t prestige whore for other states as much

[cerulean girder]

UMich is considered better than most UCs

[daring oriole]

Yeah UCs should operate the way I want them to and not from over 100 years innovating on their ideas

[lethal imp]

That’s a single school

[cerulean girder]

Same with UVA, Florida, UNC, and a bunch of others

[lethal imp]

Versus an entire system

Not worth arguing though. You won’t be changing your mind, and it’s only clogging up the thread

[woven violet]

I don’t think anyone disagrees that California residents should be favored to an extent in admissions

[worn pelican]

they're not doing a good enough job

[woven violet]

It’s just that since there is already a lot of support for instate students by the UC system some of us don’t think that less OOS students should be admitted to make more room for them.

[woven violet]

There is 0 evidence behind this claim.

[worn pelican]

Yes there is, that's the whole point of why we're discussing this

[woven violet]

We’re discussing this because someone shared an article about people being butthurt that they couldn’t get into two of the most selective public schools in the country but there is no evidence that they’re not doing a good enough job of serving Californian students.

[worn pelican]

Lawmakers in California are literally pressuring UC schools to focus more on in-state

It's not being butthurt about students not getting into UCs. It is a literal fact that there are too many, way too qualified in-state students, who are being rejected from UCs which can be attributed to potential causes like UCs wanting more money from out of state students

[unborn nova]

and uc lowkey is ass bc they give 0 shits

[cerulean girder]

Lmao

[worn pelican]

It's pretty straightforward, that California residents are paying a crazy amount of taxes to fund these public institutions and it's not fair that these UCs are not doing enough to prioritize them

[cerulean girder]

I feel like for UCLA and Cal as t20s in particular though

[woven violet]

If UCs wanted more money from OOS students they can easily make it 100 percent merit based and then you’ll have an instate percentage similar to that of Stanford. However, the reason why UCLA’s instate percentage is higher than Stanford is because they already are serving their instate students.

[cerulean girder]

Emphasizing in state students sort of means you’ll be making concessions in terms of admit quality

The two go hand in hand in a way because not all of the smartest kids in the world are located in California

[worn pelican]

It's not a concession when there are a ton of over-qualified students in CA being rejected

[cerulean girder]

Nah it is though

Because not all of the best kids are in California

[worn pelican]

UCs are a public institution that should be focused on serving their state residents first.

[cerulean girder]

That’s a fact

[worn pelican]

Just like any other state schools

I never said the best kids are only in California

[cerulean girder]

Okay so by limiting oos students UCLA and Cal’s oos campuses

Even more

[woven violet]

Not every person with great academics can make it into an elite university and UC schools are already doing things to help out those students get in.

[cerulean girder]

You’re automatically preventing highly qualified oos kids that might otherwise be admitted from being admitted

That’s what you’re essentially doing

Yes, there are gonna be Cali kids to take their spot

But I’d argue, simply with the law of large numbers, that the oos kids would have been slightly more qualified

[worn pelican]

The whole point of a PUBLIC college is that it is supposed to serve their in-state students first who are paying the taxes to fund those institutions in the first place.

[cerulean girder]

Because they would’ve been admitted if there wasn’t that limit

[cerulean girder]

Right, but then you hurt the brightest kids in California too

Because the perceived drop in student quality caused by limiting oos students to the extent that you want

Will cause a perceived drop in prestige

And in turn an inability to attract the best of the best in terms of faculty

Which just hurts the school and the brightest in cali that would’ve gotten in on their own

Despite the limits

[woven violet]

That’s literally what they’re doing and it’s great. However, if you have someone instate who has good grades and is qualified but someone OOS that is far more qualified you can make the argument that once the difference in qualified-ness is big enough the OOS student should be admitted.

[cerulean girder]

Obviously in state ppl should have a significant advantage in the admissions process

But the Texan model is far too extreme

[worn pelican]

It's pretty evident that's not the case, there are a ton of super qualified in state students in CA who are getting rejected from the UCS.

That's literally why lawmakers are trying to pressure UCs to increase enrollment

[woven violet]

Because their spot is being taken by someone more qualified than them oos.

[worn pelican]

Do you really know that?

[woven violet]

Yes, because of data.

[worn pelican]

Out of state students pay a lot more money for UCs

[woven violet]

Yes, that’s great but they don’t get favored

[worn pelican]

It's a strong contributing factor

At this point with 'qualified', you're really stretching the qualifications of in-state students vs out of state students

[woven violet]

Now you’re just projecting stuff with 0 evidence.

[cerulean girder]

In state students are favored

UC explicitly says that

And as a government institution, it can’t lie

[worn pelican]

send the data that demonstrates oos students are so much more qualified than these instate students

I expect to see a radical difference that justifies your claim

[cerulean girder]

Oos students generally have higher gpas on average and

Before the UCs went test blind I’m pretty sure that their average test scores were higher too

The second claim I can’t back because it’s been so long

But the first is common data

[worn pelican]

money is literally a contributing factor to admitting students, what do you mean I have 0 evidence??

[cerulean girder]

You can look it up and find it; I have before

[woven violet]

https://admission.ucla.edu/apply/freshman/freshman-profile/2019 Here you go buddy.

Have fun

[worn pelican]

calm down 'buddy' lmao

[cerulean girder]

Exactly!

And it’s the same thing with Berkeley too

[woven violet]

I’m calm, I’m just waiting for another excuse from your end

[cerulean girder]

We worked hard as hell for those acceptances too bro

And we’re dropping 70 grand a year to attend

[worn pelican]

the marginal difference doesn't justify your claim

[woven violet]

Because it’s a public school and not a for-profit school so all the workers there aren’t even profiting off of those tuition fees since they are working for the state?

[woven violet]

Yeah it’s not like the 25th percentile has a significantly higher SAT score and the 75th percentile has far more honors courses.

[worn pelican]

if you think UCs are not considering the costs that OOS have to pay that will fund their institution you are delusional and there's really nothing I can do to convince you on that

[lethal imp]

This also has to do with their higher requirement

The average gpa is going to lower on the in state end when 3.0s are considered acceptable there but not for OOS

[worn pelican]

The fact that you think money is not a contributing factor to UC consideration for OOS/International is so dishonest lmao

[woven violet]

No one with a brain agrees with this statement

[woven violet]

Look at the differences in the admitted section

[lethal imp]

How does that go against my point

I’m explaining why there may be a difference

[woven violet]

So therefore instate students are still significantly favored because they have lower application requirements then?

[worn pelican]

State school = serve the people of its population
Lot of overqualified CA students are getting rejected by TOP UCs. OVERQUALIFIED. just because an out of state student is more overqualified doesn't justify anything, the ca student should be prioritized

[lethal imp]

They have lower requirements because they’re favored

[cerulean girder]

So what if UCs adopted a 90 percent in state rule while giving “in demand campuses” like UCLA, Cal, and maybe UCSD exemptions?

[lethal imp]

I think this could be a possibility, but there should still be some factor of favoriting for in state

[woven violet]

Alright great, and I have no problem with them being favored. As long as we agree that they are indeed being favored.

[cerulean girder]

I agree that ppl could definitely choose to go to other comparable universities over some of the other UCs

[lethal imp]

I’ve never said they weren’t

In fact I don’t think anyone here has

[cerulean girder]

But there really aren’t public universities that compare to UCLA and Berkeley out there

[woven violet]

My misunderstanding then, it’s our colleague Oskar who is the outlier then.

[cerulean girder]

I think that’s fair

[worn pelican]

I never said that either

[woven violet]

You’re saying they should be favored even more despite the significant favoritism that they already have.

[cerulean girder]

I’m think 60-70% of the seats at those campuses being reserved for in state students is fair

I just don’t think 90 percent is

[worn pelican]

I never said significant. You said that.

Lawmakers are literally addressing this issue right now, which is what i was calling for

[cerulean girder]

Bc there are also intls to consider

[worn pelican]

You're the one saying there's no problem right now with how they are doing the admissions

[woven violet]

I know that’s what I said I was only quoting you in the first half of my sentence and then I provided the fact in the second half.

[lethal imp]

I would say favoritism should go to all in state students even outside of this whole UC argument, but in this specific case, I think schools like Merced and Riverside should hone in on a higher in state rate bc they’re meant to serve those CA kids

[woven violet]

There are people who agree with and there are people who agree with you that’s why we’re discussing.

[worn pelican]

I mean, when you're calling overqualified CA students who are disappointed that they got rejected from top UCs as 'butthurt', pretty ignorant comment eh no?

[cerulean girder]

That seems fair

Because there are other comparable universities for oos students to go to

[worn pelican]

Especially when it's a legitimate issue as Gov Newsom and CA lawmakers are putting forth legislation to address this

[cerulean girder]

There’s no need for them to choose Merced or riverside esp when there are Californians who need a college to go to

[woven violet]

A little insensitive sure I’ll give you that, but they shouldn’t feel entitled about their admission just because they have good grades.

[cerulean girder]

Some of those “top UCs” are t20s and are reaches for everyone

Rejection should be expected, even if you are in state

[worn pelican]

It's not really an entitled thing when it's happening to a lot of people. It's not just 'good grades' either.

[cerulean girder]

They’re t20s and need to be recognized as such

[woven violet]

That’s called populist policy making for approval rating.

[worn pelican]

mate california citizens are literally paying to fund for these state schools.

Populist policy? lmaoo

[elder pumice]

this ties in well with the counterargument i wanted to make to the idea that "an out of state student with higher merit will do more with a uc degree"

[woven violet]

Yes, that is the popular belief in California but it doesn’t mean it is the right one.

I’m saying just because the governor believes something doesn’t mean it’s correct

[woven violet]

That is absolutely the case

[worn pelican]

A state serves its people. The people are paying high taxes in CA to fund these public institutions. Are you able to wrap your head around this? Does this sound unfair to you? You can tell that to the other dozens of states in America the same thing then, because they prioritize in-state students.

You said you understand why CA students being favored but now it just sounds like ur butthurt.

[elder pumice]

a wealthy student who is maybe a bit more qualified doesn't benefit from the social mobility offered by a uc degree than an in state student who earns less

a major part of what the uc's want to do is to be an uplifting mechanism for students who study hard

[woven violet]

I said they can and should prioritize them to an extent which is completely reasonable.

You keep on misunderstanding my position

[woven violet]

No one has brought up wealth.

If you're saying the only OOS students that are able to get in are wealthy then I'll have to disagree with you on that.

[lethal imp]

I would say wealthier OOS students are more inclined to apply due to the UCs being known for not giving out much OOS aid and being pricey

[worn pelican]

https://imageio.forbes.com/blogs-images/kristenmoon/files/2018/10/UC_Admission_Rates_-_instate_vs_outstate-1200x724.jpg?format=jpg&width=960

[elder pumice]

yeah, but those who are able to attend

supplemental tuition + no need based aid means students of wealthier backgrounds have a leg up

[lethal imp]

I get your point but I’d nitpick that there is a bit of a difference bc of how the t20s most people think of aren’t state funded

(I am avoiding class by doing this)

[woven violet]

Yeah because they're better, this doesn't tell the whole story.

[elder pumice]

i'm still not a fan of the idea that an oos student just because they have higher stats and more extracurriculars is more productive with a uc education

maybe at extreme lengths

for example if we were to compare top students vs the middle of the pack here

[woven violet]

They are better positioned to take advantage of the resources and rigor of education that UCLA requires

[worn pelican]

rly? 10-20% higher admissions rate better?

every year thousands of super qualified ca students are turned away

[woven violet]

Yes dude look at the link I sent you showing how much more qualified the admits are for OOS than the ones who are Instate.

https://admission.ucla.edu/apply/freshman/freshman-profile/2019

[worn pelican]

when it comes to be being 'better', there's a certain threshold where students are now overqualified and it doesn't matter how much better you are

[woven violet]

Yeah man, every 4.0 student is basically just as qualified as an olympiad winner with a 4.0.

[worn pelican]

olympiad winner? now thats such a dishonest statement lmao, i really cant debate this anymore with you lmao. its as if you thikn every CA student has no extracirriculars, are you're just looking at GPA. UCs are a holistic application

[woven violet]

Also here's the thing, let's say UCLA decided to have 100 percent of it's admits be from instate. There would still be a lot these qualified students that don't get admitted which is pretty much you're entire argument. You can't satisfy everyone.

[woven violet]

It was a hypothetical to disprove your statement.

[elder pumice]

the thing i do agree with is that we don't wanna accept anyone who will flunk out

[worn pelican]

Wow! Okay since we can't satisfy everyone, let's just keep it where it is right now and not even try anymore to make it more fair for CA residents

[woven violet]

So should it be 100 percent?

Because even at 99% then there would still be qualified instate student losing their spots to other OOS students.

[worn pelican]

No, you know what, you're correct. CA lawmakers are trippin and we shouldn't focus on increasing enrollment for CA residents

👍

after all, they're being favored enough already

[woven violet]

Should it be 100% though because that seems like the only reasonable thing to do based on your line of reasoning, we can't leave out any qualified instate students for OOS ones right?

[worn pelican]

im sry but thats the most dumass strawman arguement ive ever read. i cant continue this with you. have a nice day

[woven violet]

It’s not a straw man your argument was - “current system bad because qualified instate students are being left out for OOS ones”. Therefore if it isn’t 100 percent then there will still be instate students being left out for OOS ones.

If your argument is that every qualified instate student should be given preference over every OOS student no matter how much more qualified the OOS student is then the only way you can achieve that is by making UCLA 100% instate.

[leaden kelp]

wow just saw this thread

what an argument

honestly, imo we just let the lawmakers do their thing. California lawmakers almost always get their way since the state is politically one-sided so whatever they want to do with the UC is what it will be

imo they will most likely increase enrollment/chances for low income in state students even more

i think a lot of changes are coming to UC in the next couple of years

but it’s hard to say whether or not the changes may affect how people view the school

[woven violet]

They have loads of state schools to apply to why did they only apply to Berkeley and LA?

[woven violet]

Those changes have already begun.

[leaden kelp]

i have a feeling that with the changes lawmakers are pushing for many people, particularly out of state, will view the UC system as less prestigious or just want to stay away from it

like how many california people would prefer to stay away from texas and florida

in state tuition is a major factor in attending a UC

[woven violet]

Because it’s a lot cheaper?

Bruh?

[leaden kelp]

are you saying you want other states to lower OOS tuition?

[woven violet]

It is not an issue if those spots never belonged to them to begin with.

[leaden kelp]

that is basically the current goal of the changes

to UC

they don’t want to make it all abt test scores

and GPA

[woven violet]

Yeah which helped out instate kids because the SAT scores of OOS kids were completely destroying the instate ones.

[leaden kelp]

if you mean lying on apps, then yes that needs to be fixed

and having other write essays

that is indeed a problem

but that happens everywhere

[woven violet]

Yes but those people were less likely to get in now.

Ok, cool 👍

[leaden kelp]

i think the issue with sat scores is that many people simply got tutors to boost their scores, and low income students don’t have access to such expensive resources

particularly in the bay area and LA area

as an asian in the la area myself, i know that almost all of my friends have outside tutors for not just SAT but also AP exams

and they do well when the teacher doesn’t teach at all

it’s not a good reflection on the schools and students actual abilities tbh

[woven violet]

That’s a valid point and I’m sure the UC schools took that into consideration when they removed the SAT.

[leaden kelp]

but i think EC need to be vetted more

i’m not saying all students have tutors, but many do

particularly asians

in california

but it’s because of parents so it’s not really in my control

[cerulean girder]

They shouldn’t expect to get into UCLA and Berkeley though

Like that’s not a guarantee

They’re tough schools for anyone to get into

It doesn’t matter if they’re a state school

They’re the best two state schools and by far

[leaden kelp]

california’s population is simply too large

many other state schools that are viewed as prestigious have exponentially higher acceptance rates for instate

but those states also have exponentially smaller populations

[cerulean girder]

Ong

[leaden kelp]

they need to open more campuses but based on how people view uc merced i have doubts that it will bring any benefits for those seeking ucla and berkeley

[cerulean girder]

Lol yeah

The thing with UCLA and Berkeley is though

In addition to being located in the state with the largest population

They’re the most prestigious state schools out there

So that drives their acceptance rate even lower

Like ucla and Berkeley are the only oos publics I bothered applying to

Bc atp I would’ve settled for my state school

[storm bridge]

From CC: "We were just told that the School of Engineering has hit their target numbers and don’t anticipate extending offers to those on the waitlist. Wish they’d officially let the students know."

[woven violet]

So does that mean they admit by school and not by major?

[storm bridge]

it depends, by major. For example, if you're aerospace or any kind of engineering, GT, a public school is #1 or #2, and lot better than UCLA.. similarly if you wanna study CS, both UIUC and GT are better state schools than UCLA.

[storm bridge]

no idea

[woven violet]

Lmao we're talking to eachother in the Northwestern thread as well

[woven violet]

eh I mean for cs I think they all have similar industry weight

[cerulean girder]

Sure, but I’m just talking about what’s generally up

[storm bridge]

nah i think GT and UIUC carry more weight than UCLA, and less than berkeley

[cerulean girder]

I’m sure GT CS beats Harvard CS, but Harvard is considered generally more prestigious

[woven violet]

Well if you look at the performance of the graduates they're all similar.

[storm bridge]

haha sure harvard is top ivy. we are talking public universities here 🙂

[storm bridge]

in what sense? are we talking UCLA as an overall school or UCLA as an Engineering/CS school?

[cerulean girder]

The analogy stands

[woven violet]

I'm talking career pay.

UCLA does just as well as the others you listed

[storm bridge]

lol would you say berkeley med school is better than UCLA?

[cerulean girder]

Nah but Cal and UCLA are equally prestigious…

I don’t get your argument…

Obviously GT, UIUC, and Cal have better CS programs than UCLA

[woven violet]

Career pay for Engineering/CS UCLA is up their with the ones you listed.

[cerulean girder]

That doesn’t change the fact that, in terms of general prestige, UCLA beats GT and UIUC, and is level with Cal

[woven violet]

Better for research but not necessarily industry.

[cerulean girder]

True

I think he’s considering everything though

[woven violet]

UCLA provides just as much opportunities to succeed at software engineering as UIUC and Georgia Tech

[cerulean girder]

I don’t know enough about CS to comment

[storm bridge]

disagree

[woven violet]

Reasoning?

[storm bridge]

sure

[cerulean girder]

So…?

[storm bridge]

1- GT, UIUC, and Cal are magnets for tech companies 2- GT, UIUC and Cal provide strong CS research experience, for those interested in grad schools

[woven violet]

You're just throwing the "magnets" term out there as a buzzword even though there is no evidence to back your claim.

[storm bridge]

For example see above report for GT - how can UCLA provide same experience for an engineering student as GT?

[cerulean girder]

I chose UCLA over Cal but it was for Poli Sci so I can’t really comment

[woven violet]

Also the reason they produce more research is because all those school are focused on CS and have larger CS programs than UCLA so the research opportunities isn't even necesarily that much better.

[woven violet]

Yeah man, let's just base the program quality on the US News rankings instead of judging the graduates' perfomances.

[storm bridge]

lol how do you judge the graduates' performances? please provide stats

[woven violet]

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/ You can use this site if you want or if you have some extra time you can do some research on your own to find out how these school's alumni perform.

[storm bridge]

exactly my point.. college rankings and opportunities vary by major.. cal is better than ucla in cs/engineering but ucla may be better than cal in poli sci.

[woven violet]

I fully agree with Cal being better than UCLA at those areas, I'm saying that GT and UIUC are in the same bracket especially if we're talking industry.

[storm bridge]

yeah GT and UIUC could be in same bracket as Cal in CS/Engineering but not UCLA. come on!

[woven violet]

There is no evidence to back that up besides US News data

[cerulean girder]

Actually I think they’re pretty = poli sci wise

I just vibe with UCLA’s location, campus, and feel more

But yeah I don’t disagree with you

Diff colleges def have different strengths

I was just talking about the general prestige of the institutions

[storm bridge]

makes sense.. vibe is very important

[storm bridge]

its okay, you chose UCLA .. any decision already made is a good decision.

[woven violet]

Pls don't talk condescendingly to me like that.

[storm bridge]

UCLA is the best overall school and best cs/engineering school, happy?

[woven violet]

Dude you really lack social decency.

[storm bridge]

Dude, what do you wanna hear?

[woven violet]

I don't mind you disagreeing with me, just don't start sarcastically saying how great UCLA is because that is disrespectful.

Like saying UIUC or GT is better was never the issue for me.

[worn pelican]

He's a brick wall to debate with, you cannot change this guys mind lol

[storm bridge]

well i'm just saying that each college has their own strengths. UCLA must have its own strengths e.g. location, med school, etc but if someone wants to do CS/Engineering, sure it's a fantastic school, but Cal/GT/UIUC are in a different league altogether

we're probably all opinionated in our own unique ways

[woven violet]

I can respect that, have a good time at Cal.

[autumn dock]

a lot of my friends chose ucla over cal for stem majors actually

[marsh perch]

international ppl around me all go to cal if they get into both

[cerulean girder]

Cross admit data, which is pretty reliable for colleges that have a lot of overlapping admits (like cal and ucla), suggests that ucla is marginally the more popular choice

But cross admit data doesn’t differentiate between the diff majors

Like I chose ucla over cal, but for poli sci, so irrelevant to what you guys are discussing

[wind fog]

can someone invite me to the UCLA discord?

[spare iron]

No

Because I’m not in it

Neither am I going to UCLA

[marsh perch]

In dms