#elder-scrolls-general-chat

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slow loom
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Just keep your expectations in check. It's better to feel surprised than disappointed. Hype often leads to unreachable expectations.

feral viper
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I shall not Hype, for Hype is the truth killer. I shall face my hype, I shall let it pass over and through me. And when the Hype is gone, there will be nothing.

Only reasonable expectations will remain.

slow loom
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My expectation is that it will be better than games from 10 years ago but worse than games from 5 years ago.

jade plover
slow loom
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In simple terms, better in every way over Skyrim.

jade plover
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So even if it will be a good game it won't be better than skyrim in every way

slow loom
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It's probably that way so they can simplify the development pipeline. They really shouldn't need to with how much bank they would make if they do an amazing game. When a company spends more on marketing than the actual product you are in trouble.

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These days you don't really need to spend 60% of your budget on marketing. Youtubers and word of mouth will do it for free for the most part.

jade plover
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This is an interesting topic really. I think some games dont need advertisment at all. Rockstar releasted just couple of trailers and GTA 6 is already overhyped. Because everyone already knows GTA, it doesnt need much ads. Isn't it the same with Elder Scrolls? Since its one of the most waited games, they dont have to advertise it at all. Just releas a trailer on IGN and Bethesda YT channels and put it on the first page of steam. Millions of people will see and and tell everyone else

slow loom
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I'm sure GTA6 will still have advertising on release but how much is needed who knows. Oblivion Remaster was shadow dropped and probably still made a pretty penny. Some games need almost no introduction and TES is one of them. I just noticed on steam they did a lot of new creation releases that are impressive in scale and content. Actually got me pretty close to installing Skyrim and buying them.

pulsar root
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Advertising is always needed err Marketing I mean, but... I don't think it should supercede game development. off topic though

noble verge
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I don't get why they insist on completely reinventing the wheel every time. Just do what Obsidian did with New Vegas- use the previous game's framework with a few small mechanical and QOL improvements- and churn out a new game in a few years' time. It's mindboggling to look back at the 90s and 00s and see how many titles developers were able to churn out over the course of just a few years.

dim reef
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That's what they usually do. Fallout 4 was built off the framwork Skyrim built and 76 FO4's

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Starfield is where they did a revamp with the engine upgrades

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ES6 will most certainly be built off the framework Starfield set up

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Bethesda's dev cycle really hasn't changed much from before and now.
It went up from 2-3 years to 3-4 years

noble verge
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Fallout 2 came out almost exactly a year from Fallout 1. The Might and Magic series was able to make 9 titles in 16 years with two periods of titles coming out yearly, plus 4 turn-based strategy spinoff titles. Baldur's Gate 2 came out just 2 years after Baldur's Gate 1.

I miss back when I could expect a sequel to a game in a 1-2 years' time.

dim reef
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I mean almost all those titles were made under heavy crunch

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FO2 especially had quite the rocky development

pulsar root
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Well things take more time to make now a days. Crunch hasn't disappeared though and well people have bigger expectations then just "Use previous game framework and small mechanical changes"

I think Bethesda is fully aware doing the whole several planets worth of world spaces is not a good idea.

P.S. I hate when Devs are crunched, I rather they not

eager remnant
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I applaud Bethesda for trying new things. Granted, sometimes I like the result and sometimes I don't. But I'd rather have that than see them pump out the same game every year or two.

noble verge
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I don't think I'd mind mind having the same game a few times if it meant it progressed the story instead of leaving it suspended on a cliffhanger for like 16 years.

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I'm more interested in the progression of the story than the progression of the game's technology.

dim reef
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I mean i doubt they'll actually progress the story anyway. Best case scenario you get a mention, worst case everything gets written out off screen and we get a new story AdoringFan

noble verge
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I meant not in terms of Skyrim in particular, but more the whole evolving geopolitical situation in Tamriel, particularly the hints that another continent-spanning war is getting ready to begin.

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Then again, BGS isn't a strategy game developer so I doubt they'll ever be able to actually get that in a game in a satisfying manner.

dim reef
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Yeah i have my worries whether they'll actually follow up on all those things

pulsar root
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They may or may not. Since we know nothing of what ES6 is going to be its hard to even get an idea of where the story is going.

feral viper
feral viper
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Dumped it on r/TESLore as it was, rather than just delete it...

But the point is, I generally agree. And the evolving world, it's politics, and it's history, IS the backdrop that the games have to work with.

So whether competently or not, they are forced to deal with that.

feral viper
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Unrelated... Hot take. Forget Spears.

Give me Kopesh.

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And no, Tribunal. That is not an ebony SCIMITAR. It is a Kopesh.

noble verge
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Hopesfire was in the Ghost of the Tribunal Creation.

wide garnet
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For reference.

noble verge
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I find it a little fascinating how much more love the Vigilants of Stendarr seem to get from the fans compared to how Bethesda-made content treats them.

pulsar root
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They sound cool but.... knowing one thing stendarr did(That one dude in Oblivion) really makes it hard for me to buy the whole "Stendar is about Justice and righteousness"

tardy tiger
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If Stendarr did curse them that is. The guy who was murdered could've done it. Always a pain of that quest is never knowing anything and mortals doing nothing.

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If one priest figured out how to fix it why did it take generations for someone to actually do something?

pulsar root
tardy tiger
feral viper
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Yeah.

To be honest, the Kopesh is an incredibly difficult shape to forge. It's much easier to cast, which is probably why it fell out of favour after over 1000 years of use.

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The transition from Bronze to Iron changed things.

nimble pond
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I wonder what a "future" Tes world would like. Yk thousands of years later beyond the 4th era. The weapons, how magic might have evolved, the races

dim reef
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Starfield StarfieldAdoringFan

feral viper
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... That was a proper title, Dyno...

timid drum
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nO nOt AlLoWeD lmao
bots are smth special

feral viper
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The future would be KINMUNE.

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Wait, no... Scratch that, KINMUNE is much too cool.

It'd probably be just another temporally stagnant medieval fantasy.

feral viper
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Medieval Stasis.

For thousands and thousands and thousands. And thousands... And thousands. And THOUSANDS of thousands of millenia.

noble verge
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If anything I've seen arguments that technology is regressing.

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Sotha Sil is either dead or less relevant than he's been since the 1st Era (if you go by Legends), the Dwemer are gone, the Empire no longer has a presence in Oblivion, and who knows how much knowledge was lost when the Thalmor purged the Altmer race of undesirables and dissenters.

pulsar root
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I doubt any aldmer are all purged except Thalmor, just subjacated and forced to live in a dictatorship. I am a bit curious on how the Empire had reach within Oblivion

noble verge
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I was referring to Battlespire

feral viper
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The parabolic kalpa hypothesis was much more popular before ESO.

ESO it's self has shown us, both on its own terms and in regards to flashbacks, that Tamriel has basically always been in the same state. You have the occasional outlier that quickly gets destroyed, while everything else remains stagnant.

noble verge
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The flashbacks don't convey the whole story- that before 1E668, there was a flourishing high-tech civilization across Morrowind, High Rock, Skyrim, and Hammerfell whose tech is so durable that it still runs today.

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ESO takes place after they're gone but it also takes place when the Clockwork City is at its peak.

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Unless we take the sacrifice ending of the Clockwork City Legends story as canon, the 4th Era doesn't have anything comparable save for the still-functional contraptions of lost civilizations.

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Heck look at Skyrim. In ESO the Nords were actively exploring Blackreach, by the time of TES V it's largely lost knowledge and you only gain access to a small part of it.

trail dust
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skyrim has more rpg elements that any of their previous games. same with fallout 4

tardy tiger
noble verge
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I think the biggest factors of technological regression are the self-inflicted disappearance of the Dwemer, the gradual weakening, increasing isolation and eventual death of Sotha Sil, and the decline of the Empire to the point that it can no longer afford to work on massive projects like Numidium and Battlespire.

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Although it is a valid point that throughout the heydays of both the Dwemer and the Clockwork City, their tech never ushered in a revolution for the rest of Tamriel.

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Still, I can't help but wonder how accessible Dwemer technology was to their Nord and Chimer neighbors back when they were around.

feral viper
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Calling the Dwemer technologically advanced is both overestimating, and oversimplifying them.

They were differently advanced, but not any more of less than what we've seen from others.

tardy tiger
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Like a pain of tech is that the Imperials did get Dwemer stuff working. They got Dwemer airships working and got a Orrery working and are maintaining it.

Battlespire has its own tech level which has magitech and filing cabinets and then Redguard has Imperial Warships with early ironclad style armour. But TES games are an art style thing then some lore tech level thing.

https://images.uesp.net/2/23/RG-render-ImperialWarship1.png
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feral viper
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It's difficult to call that Dwemer tech at this point... Since things have gone a totally different direction since then.

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The Dwemer of Redguard were very much a Magitech civilisation. More akin to the cut Forge faction in Heroes 3.

Then as of Morrowind, they just went Steampunk instead.

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Even the Rourken stuff we've seen since puts them far more in the Steampunk camp, rather than the Redguard and Battlespire era style.

tardy tiger
feral viper
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Oh, I know they got stuff working. I'm saying that the style of Dwemer tech has changed since Morrowind.

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Because the modern fantasy crowd hates magitech, for some reason.

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Clockwork and steam? That's fine.

But using Magic to create technology? Naw dog, that's unacceptable and ruins my Medieval Stasis.

marble coyote
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Why does everyone hate Bethesda? I saw they were promoting cool community mods for skyrim and everyone hated it

noble verge
noble verge
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So Bethesda clearly hadn't forgotten the previous game's Dwemer tech.

feral viper
feral viper
# marble coyote Why does everyone hate Bethesda? I saw they were promoting cool community mods f...

A few reasons.

First, people are still sour about the Paid Mods fiasco from a decade ago.

Second, people have a tendency to hate on anything that is successful, to validate their own self worth.

And finally, because it's Bethesda. Bethesda has never, once, managed to do something without a very vocal group of haters. It's been that way for almost 30 years now, and it's not going to change anytime soon.

marble coyote
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Ok, kind of what i thought

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Having done a little research, there was probably one good reason to not like Bethesda's mods and that was over years ago

feral viper
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There are many legitimate criticisms to be made of Bethesda. That never was one of them. But, we don't live in a world of rational people.

trail dust
slow loom
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Remember this discord is an echo chamber too.

trail dust
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so like the echo chamber the haters are in then

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this wouldnt be a strong echo chamber, as i constantly see people do nothing but complain about the games here, and other people doing vice versa

slow loom
feral viper
slow loom
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I actually appreciate the new proper sized content for Skyrim but I can't help but wish it was official content.

feral viper
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True. That does result in some echo chamberness. Just because of the permissible topics..

pulsar root
slow loom
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I haven't looked at Skyrim Creations in ages. I thought these were the only real big sized land mod additions.

pulsar root
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Sorry I was thinking regular mods not creations.

slow loom
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The funny thing is that even if they made an official dlc people would complain that they broke all the mods. That they should just be working on a new game instead. Community sentiment is so low that they lose either way. I wonder how the crawl out of this hole, honestly probably can't imo unless TES6 is amazing.

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Even if TES6 is amazing it will be judged under a fine microscope at this point.

pulsar root
slow loom
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No TES6 is not alone. Social media might have something to do with it but also gamers just being a lot more cynical after getting burnt so many times. Also companies taking advantage of fans. Cyberpunk is a great example of a company with one of the best reputations in the industry. Sending a game out the door way too early so they could claim the preorder money. CDPR then spent years updating the game and trying to earn their reputation back.

feral viper
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Gamers only get burned because they set unreasonable standards based on hopes and dreams, and not actual past evidence.

Cyberpunk's release was entirely predictable based on past releases from CDPR. People just fabricate an idealized image of the company in their mind.

slow loom
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Now imagine your last two big releases are 76 and Starfield which burnt large portions of the fanbase.

feral viper
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Bethesda chronically suffers from the same problem. Every new release, people bemoan a buggy and unstable launch, as if Bethesda has EVER released a stable game.

slow loom
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So your blaming fans for having standards.

feral viper
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No. I'm blaming fans for basing their standards of feefees instead of evidence

slow loom
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Standards usually come from what also exists in the space.

feral viper
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The only time Bethesda has actually lied to its fans, is the canvas bag fiasco.

Everything else has been fans making up their own fantasy version of what they WANT, and then judging what Bethesda delivers against it.

slow loom
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Also the Rum bottle fiasco.

feral viper
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May have missed the time.

slow loom
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Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. We all have gaps in our knowledge.

pulsar root
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F076 was a multiplayer game and was marketed as such anybody that didn't like that should of just not invested in it. Starfield suffered from splitting their usual one big world space into thousands of them.

Any kind of marketing oopies isn't on the devs fault(The helmet with the moss, that whole canvas bag scandal) that stuff isn't on the devs heads, its not their department.

slow loom
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Marketing oopsies. I like that.

feral viper
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Starfield was actually BETTER than I expected.

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The people who were burned by it are probably the same people who have been burned by every single Bethesda release since 2002

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When even Morrowind was maligned on release as a betrayal of the fanbase, and subject to vitriol even Twitter wouldn't tolerate.

Well...

dim reef
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Starfield was more a case of them biting more than they could chew. It's issues range even beyond the 1000 planets

slow loom
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Sure they lost some fans along the way as all companies do. Everyone has their favourite Bethesda game and where it went wrong. But for me and I think the majority, the height of Bethesda popularity was with the release of FO4.

dim reef
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Space rpgs are insanely hard to get right. There's a reason for nearly a decade no one except Bioware attempted them

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and Starfield isn't just a space rpg. It's also tackling concepts of the literal multiverse

slow loom
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If you put all the hand crafted areas in Starfield into one map. It would probably only just reach the amount of hand crafted content FO4 has.

dim reef
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Ambition is good but they need to realize their own capabilities

slow loom
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Starfield feels like a collection of mechanics from their other games thrown together.

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I did like it on release.

dim reef
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Now to it's credit it did do a lot of things well. The trait system, dialogue checks, vehicles, the movement and especially parkour mechanics, the visuals

slow loom
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Now name what it did wrong.

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I have a rule and it's if someone can't even name one bad thing about a product then I often don't believe them.

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Imagine you're a QA tester and all you say is everything is great. Well you wouldn't be very good at your job.

slow loom
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How can you improve something if you cant acknowledge what's wrong with it?

feral viper
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Not the most reliable method of improvement, but it IS a method

slow loom
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This kind of comes back to my point about echo chambers. If we write off people disliking something as haters then we lose any chance to understand and win them back.

feral viper
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Which is why I generally don't use Haters. I reserve that for people who hate something simply because it's not another thing they like.

Playstation and Xbox fans who hate the other simply because of which one they like, for instance.

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The overlap between Haters and Brand Loyalists is basically a circle.

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Now, I do think a lot of people are dishonest critics, of course. With how and why they are dishonest tending to vary.

slow loom
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I think thats closer to a rivalry which is a bit different but sure you could use that word to decribe them.

feral viper
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Some are just wrong. They have heard something that matches their gut feeling, and assumed it must be true.

This was very evident with the Oblivion to Skyrim criticism. Many people criticised the characters being able to master everything (you couldn't in Skyrim) or the lack of enemy variety (Skyrim has more enemy types) of the decrease of dialogue options (Skyrim has more than Oblivion and Morrowind combined).

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Some are emotional. They use their feelings and reaction to dictate their opinion, but are unable to really articulate or understand WHY.

This really characterises the Daggerfall to Morrowind reaction.

slow loom
feral viper
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Being led by emotional responses is fine, so long as you can articulate them.

slow loom
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To truly review something you have to take yourself out of the equation and judge it solely on it's on merits.

feral viper
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And if you can't articulate WHY you feel the way you do, your input is effectively useless.

slow loom
feral viper
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And that was predictable based on everything they had said up to that point.

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People chose to get their hopes up about something that was pretty easily predicted.

About the only thing that couldn't be predicted, was how terrible the story was. Well TOLD, but absolutely rubbish.

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Or, I should say, well told for a Bethesda game.

slow loom
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There is some truth in that we should judge a game compared to others made by the same company. But that is a dangerous road to take because then we forgive bad practices and low innovation.

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The main thing is recognising our own biases and trying to put them aside so that rational conversation can be had.

feral viper
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Well, you can't totally put aside biases in these particular sorts of discussions. Because those biases determine what you emphasise in your critique.

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For instance, if your bias is towards worldbuilding and storytelling, your priorities are going to be very different than someone's whose bias is towards gameplay..

But you do need to minimise them.

slow loom
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You lean much more towards having a focus on the story and lore. But you are still willing to put your bias aside to say that it's good for a Bethesda game.

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Imagine if they got a world class writer to write the next game.

dim reef
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They have a lot of amazing writers and they did recently hire a Bioware vet as well

slow loom
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Isn't it kind of strange that games hire writers that have never written a book to write their hundreds of millions of dollar games. There would be so many great proven writers that would jump at that opportunity.

I get that you don't hire a book writer to write a screenplay. But you could get one to write the main story for a game minus every single line of dialogue.

dim reef
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Not really no. It's perfectly normal

feral viper
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The gameplay on the other hand has become my primary focus.

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I don't think having a world class writer works either.

Look at Martin, and Elden Ring.

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The story for Elden Ring is no better than Dark Souls. Despite the lauded authors involvement.

Writing for entirely different media requires different skills and approaches, and it doesn't usually crossover.

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And to be entirely honest... I don't think there are any world class Video Game writers.

Amy Hennig is probably the closest you get in the entire industry, and even she isn't an instant success.

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Kasavin's been killing it with Hades lately though... Maybe he'll get up there.

slow loom
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"Hidetaka Miyazaki wrote the main story of Elden Ring, while George R. R. Martin created the game's foundational mythology and world lore." I think in this way they succeeded. Bringing a whole new universe into being and it not feeling like generic fantasy.

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I think some writers need an already established playground to write a story in. They aren't as good at creating the playground themselves.

Imagine if Starfields lore and world was written by a top sci-fi writer. Instead it ended up semi generic.

Most writers stick to one or two genres. They aren't expected to go from fantasy to sci-fi at the drop of a hat, the whiplash would be intense.

dim reef
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Starfield's writing isn't it's problem. I'd argue Starfield has some of Bethesda's finest writing. It's the quest design and execution that's problematic

jade plover
night ember
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I'm fine with tes6 having loaded interior cells and whatnot I just wish they found some kind of clever more seamless transition. Maybe they could kind of quickly close the door behind them, or you could have a spiderman ps5 style interior behind the door before the load? idk

jade plover
dim reef
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You can't have seamless loading with the games Bethesda makes. It's just not possible

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Best they can do is hide them with cutscenes or animations

night ember
night ember
dim reef
night ember
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there has to be something better than a stilted fade away, and in general there's just some weird absentee lifestyle features for a game with so many inns

dim reef
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90% of the main questline is just fetching artifacts

night ember
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like what can you do in the inn? not eat a meal lol

night ember
dim reef
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Not really. I'd say even the faction writing is one of the strong points of Starfield. Ryujin, UC, Sysdef vs Crimson Fleet. They're all well written

night ember
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like if it was awful but you still had some kind of edge then it'd at least be fun. The two paragraphs of worldbuilding could have led to conflict but apparently even that was too problematic lol

dim reef
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Freestar is a bit undercooked but not bad

night ember
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I was honestly dumbstruck by some of the junk I was hearing. In most of these rpg games I do a romance because it's a big part of the content blah blah, this time I literally broke up with barett after he moved in because I realized I could not deal with hearing any more of his lines

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like it's just so bad in every way, the only thing I'd give it is that it's less annoying than the marvelslop that most studios go for now. Like at least it's badness can be charming at times

dim reef
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Romances were also a big improvement with way more content than FO4. It's the main reason I'm looking forward to ES6's companions

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In general companions and their interactivity was a big step up from FO4 with a lot more comments, individual dialogue chains etc.

night ember
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they were, but this is where I disagree. all these systems quest design (outside most of main quest) etc. was greatly improved, but then all the creative aspects were like really really really bad. the cities were lame the music was lame the voice acting was lame like what??? Also a lot of the rpg crafting stuff is still tacked on slop

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neon lmao

dim reef
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I disagree then. I found the writing amazing but quest design and mechanical choices quite lackluster

slow loom
dim reef
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That's not to say there are no good mechanics. As I've said before the trait system is really good and needs to be in ES6

slow loom
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I don't understand how you can say writing is good but quests are bad. Aren't they one and the same? I found most of the dialogue in Starfield very bloated. To the point where I dreaded talking to the next npc.

night ember
bitter kestrel
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Let's bring the conversation back to Elder Scrolls please

slow loom
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Saw that coming lol.

night ember
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I got the plat in skyrim 😎

dim reef
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Quest design and writing aren't the same. I find the writing in Skyrim's main quest really good but the actual quests and pacing bad

night ember
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skyrim also has really bad writing

dim reef
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Quest design is akin to direction in a movie. The shot composition, cinematography, screenplay etc. are different than the general character and plot writing

night ember
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like so much worse than any other acclaimed rpg. much dumber than oblivion. Also the VA that's halfway serious is a lot more annoying than oblivions schtick

night ember
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skyrim is just so insultingly dumbed down, especially in the main quest. The dragon war is SO DUMB like it's a lore warcrime. the imperial archive has also spent the last decade convncing themselves the civil war isn't similarly watered down. These are both interesting concepts but it's clear certain designers were razor focused on getting some of the dumbest xbox 360 owners in the world to enjoy their game.

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I'm about to head to solstheim so I'm curious how that'll be

dim reef
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To me Oblivion is the dumbest ES game. I do love Skyrim's writing a lot

slow loom
dim reef
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They do. Cinematics aren't just limited to cutscenes

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There's a lot effort put into scripted sequences to nudge the player into looking at things in a specific way the devs want.
It's the same thing Valve does

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Nate talked about this on Twitter

slow loom
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The player is the cinematic camera. I'm sure they put some effort into it of course because you need to make something interesting to look at.

dim reef
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Not just the camera. Almost every scene and location is designed with it in mind. Diamond City in FO4 for example was tweaked in a lot of ways to make sure the player's first glance at it would feel cinematic

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There's a lot of cinematic composition in just gameplay alone that you don't clearly notice but it's there

slow loom
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Not sure i agree with that philosophy. Designing everything around one single shot the player only experiences once ends up leading to a shallow design ethic. Sure it's important but not if you make it look bad from every other angle.

dim reef
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I'm sure it's designed with all sides in mind. But specific scripted angles are more important to hook people first. Same way movies often have specific artistic shots different from everything else

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Like i said. There's a lot to cinematics in games that aren't limited to just cutscenes.
And i think Starfield is simply lacking that

slow loom
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I would much rather an impressive town over a good first impression.

trail dust
dim reef
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You can have both. That's the advantage 3d settings have over isometric or text based settings and they simply use it to their fullest extent

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I do hope they get it right again with ES6

noble verge
bitter kestrel
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Folks, if you would like to discuss Starfield please use the relevant channels

jade plover
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Since we always talk about all bethesda's games maybe you can just rename the channel to bethesda-general-chat

feral viper
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The best, and worst, TES writing is in ESO.

Brothers of Strife, and Ithelia respectively.

jade plover
feral viper
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Because her entire concept is logically incoherent and contradictory.

She makes zero sense. You cannot have free will, and the Many Worlds model of choice. They do not work together. It's logically impossible.

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The story basically undermines it's self, by claiming free will while delivering determinism.

pulsar root
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Having a god like entity related to free will is.... kinda weird anyways.

feral viper
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You can make it work, but you can't do so in a system where you have every outcome realised in an alternate timeline.

On top of that, the way they solidified the Many Paths makes is so you could functionally have infinite variations of every god, AND have them move between timelines. Which becomes an incoherent jumble.

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Imagine 4 different Molag Bal's all competing with eachother who got to be the top?

It's just poorly thought out nonsense.

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They tried to Marvel Multiverse, chasing a popular trend and frankly ruining the setting in the process.

feral viper
nimble pond
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GTA6 is now slated for a Fall 2026 release date.
I really don't see TES6 dropping next year (even before the GTA news), but maybe after.

livid ingot
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Yeah, seems legit

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Neither would want to compete with each other

pulsar root
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If they were going to, they certainly aren't going to do it now. Fighting against GTA is just asking for trouble.

jade plover
nimble pond
feral viper
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The Ithelia story was a well TOLD story. But the story it's self is illogical gibberish that undermines it's self..

Sorta like the Ryujin Industries story in Starfield.

They're examples of how you can tell a story well, but it still be a bad story.

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Contrast this with Skyrim, which had generally solid stories, but they're told incredibly poorly due to constantly rushing.

oak tide
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I dont know exactly where to put this but I hope this reaches official ears.

I think the quest 3 standalone can handle skyrim vr. I'd love to be able to just pick up my headset and play without having to set up my PC.

I also think a 2.0 version with modern QOL improvements most other VR games have would be great.

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Im mostly rendering to object and character physics interactions

nimble pond
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I feel like there should be an area on the map that is highly toxic, pure mana. Like a toxic gas and it's own biome, greatly altering the trees and animals. You can't survive in it without proper teaching from the college. Otherwise you will slowly be absorbed by it till death. Lore-wise, these areas having been popping up around Tanriel as a result of the towers going offline. It's creating instability as side effect. Other causes of towers currently unknown.

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And if we get orsinium. Make their leader a big, fat, ugly, orange orc.

dim reef
nimble pond
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Yes

sick plover
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Hi everyone 👋

analog dust
nimble pond
feral viper
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You update a game, Modders have to react and update their mods.

That's always been the case.

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If you're a modder, or someone who uses mods, that's a reality you accept going in.

oak tide
elder quest
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Hello guys

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I'm going to use a translator (because I don't speak English). I have a question about Skyrim. I have a save file with in-game creations, and the difficulty keeps changing to easy (I don't have any mods that do that). Also, the creations option has disappeared from the main menu. Can anyone help me, please? Thanks.

slow loom
feral viper
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Bad faith implies a deliberate intent.

Do not mistake maliciousness for what can be explained by incompetence.

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Besides that, Bethesda is not, nor can they, develop a game with mod compatibility in mind. There's simply too many mods, too many modders, and too many potential issues.

They can only consider the base game. That's the only thing they have control over, and the only thing they can reliably look at.

Mods are a bonus. It's not the developers responsibility to make sure that mods are compatible, that's Modders job. Expecting a Bethesda to do the job of modders is disingenuous at best.

dim reef
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I mean no matter how much you make a game compatible for modifications a lot of them still rely on Script Extenders

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And that simply can't survive game updates. It's not possible no matter what you do

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Bethesda does try to avoid causing too much problems but there's only so much they can do because at the end they don't know how every mod is being affected

feral viper
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It's a bit outdated too (2022) but MOST players as of the last reporting don't use mods.

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Though it wasn't a significant majority.

pulsar root
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Game updates generally always break the game. Bethesda isn't being sinister or "Bad faith" I get not wanting any more updates mostly because after a long time modders eventually retire from modding said game but there is no need to send so much venom towards Bethesda.

nimble pond
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If they do indeed add natural disaster events that occur every now and then into the game like major storms, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, typhoons, tornadoes, etc. I hope they are absolutely brutal, like something you really do not want to go out adventuring in unless you got a deathwish. And enjoy the show of some unfortunate strangers getting sucked up into the clouds or buildings temporarily damaged.

nimble pond
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Physics destruction would be cool to, like in Red Faction or even Battlefield. Especially with castle sieges.

dim reef
pulsar root
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Read the article for more clarity Its a bit misleading

dim reef
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I know but even then i think 2027 might be the earliest we get any info

timid drum
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I genuinely dont know why people keep looking forward to it. If it releases, it will when it does. In the mean time, do something else with your lives /g

fleet vine
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Like being active in elder scrolls discord 🙃

feral viper
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We are so spoiled for good games these days, that fixating on a future game seems like a waste of energy.

timid drum
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Agreed

nimble pond
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My 2-cent opinion: No, they are not going to shadowdrop TES6. I think that statement was more in reference to when it comes time to announce the game (like a trailer). I think they learned their lesson from overhyping Starfield, causing expectations to be completely blown out of proportion. Such as having entire planets or even space itself entirely handcrafted. Which that could of been remedied had they simply given more transparency on those "finer details."
Like the tiny print nobody can read that companies put at the bottom of their advertisements.

nimble pond
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Also, more exotic animals in the game please. Deer, wolves, bears, yawn.. too vanilla.
Except ducks, ducks are great, add ducks.

noble verge
pulsar root
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Sure but most of that is because other projects took precedent.

rose pagoda
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I like owls

jade plover
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Have you heard about new leak with TES VI details? What do you think about it?

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It feels like dude described just what he wants from the game,it doesnt sound realistic

nimble pond
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The place of source is.. highly unreliable.

jade plover
feral viper
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Having read it...

Honestly, the intro sounds like one I wrote around 2019 to demonstrate what I wanted, contrasted what I expected. Though it was a boarding action and not a riot.

The rest of the body of the 'leak' is... Well, 50/50. Some of it reads like absolute garbage ideas, others read like totally expected inclusions.

All in all... Not worth the 90 seconds it took to find and read

feral viper
feral viper
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The worldspace processing wouldn't be difficult to achieve if you decrease the number of physics enabled clutter objects, and everything else is pretty basic.

dim reef
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I'm reading it rn. If it's accurate we really dodged a massive bullet with the procedural generation stuff in Starfield

feral viper
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The reception to it was a pretty dead giveaway. Consider the reaction to FO4s (brilliant but poorly used) dialogue system. They hard corrected after that to give us Starfield's (arguably the worst dialogue system ever).

The overwhelmingly negative reaction to Starfield's procedural generation would suggest a similar course correct. So we never really could expect it on TES6

dim reef
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Like people didn't really criticize the camera all that much. Just the dialogue selection.
Yet they just switched back to Oblivion style face zoom for no reason

feral viper
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Nah, whole thing is terrible. It takes the worst parts of other Talking Heads systems and combines them into an unholy abomination.

Though the Persuasion System is good. Even if underutilized.

dim reef
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That's what I'm talking about. The actual dialog

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The box, the branching, the utilization of traits

feral viper
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Fair. How things interact WITH the system is pretty good.

dim reef
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Yeah. That's what people criticized FO4's system. I have no idea why they changed the camera system

last dew
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Wish we get a romanceable character in TES6 with the voice of Laura Bailey.

feral viper
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Look. I'm avoiding Dispatch exactly for that reason.

dim reef
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I'm interested in Dispatch for that exact reason

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Anything Laura Bailey related is a guaranteed draw for me

feral viper
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Absolutely. But, I also watch Critical Role, and have a face to associate with the voice because of that. And I don't need to mentally superimpose the face of a married woman over Romancable video game characters.

If I could turn my brain off, I would.

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The one potential advantage of AI voices (and even then, it's a stretch).

dim reef
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I can understand that tho i personally don't mind

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Even in Halo 5 where they had Bailey's face be the character's appearance it didn't affect me all that much

feral viper
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The 'tism impacts us all in different ways.

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It takes me ages to remember names. But I have a great ability to associate faces with voices.

Which becomes problematic with voice actors.

last dew
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I can see what you're trying to say. Imagine if my mother had that sweet voice acting like Laura and people were gushing her voice and the son of that mother who grew old enough to explore the web and see something like this in video games where characters are romanceable and voiced by the son's mother... I can tell it might be awkward.

feral viper
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Mmhmm. Now extend that to a general respect for people and their relationships.

Gets awkward.

last dew
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I know it's not exactly what you're trying to say, but I get that feeling.

feral viper
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But that's getting off topic.

last dew
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I agree. I digress. I just like to have companions that have that same chemistry as characters from games like Dispatch or BG3 did. I miss those types of companions and followers.

feral viper
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Yeah. They did amazing with those.

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Not just better than anything Bethesda has done but better than MOST of the industry as a whole.

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One think in said 'leak' that I am adamantly against... Is repairing equipment.

I'm sure there are ways to do it well... But NO RPG has ever done so. It's a flat tax on gameplay, and in pretty much every way it's been implemented, is actively punishing you for just playing the game.

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It's terrible, and I frankly do not trust Bethesda (or anyone else in the industry) to make it work.

dim reef
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Especially Starfield. They react to pretty much everything.

last dew
dim reef
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They've already improved it a lot. FO4's system alone was leagues better than anything say Bioware had ever done before that

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Compare the companion reactivity in DAI and FO4. The difference is night and day

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They do need to work on the affinity system a bit more to make it more complex but all in all they're heading in the right direction there

feral viper
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They've certainly done BETTER. But BG3 was something else altogether.

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The game it's self is almost secondary to the character interactions, which are frankly superior to anything else in any game.

unborn tendon
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ESO be holding me over as I await ES6 🙏

zinc moon
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Hello, I am new here. Just wondering is there a guild for deaf/hard-of-hearing gamers? I tried searching on ESO but not helpful.

timid drum
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Reddit will probably be the best place

jade plover
nimble pond
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Player jobs would be useful in that regard. Like working as a blacksmith. You'd probably have to start out as an apprentice before gaining enough experience in the trade to eventually run your own blacksmithing shop.

Another thought, I like 'research systems' in games too used for advancement in a skill or trade, so it's not mindless grinding. In some games it's been implemented as barebones-boring, but in a game like TES, the available tools could be used to make it shine.

agile cypress
glad cypress
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There are certainly ways around the endless slog that is equipment degradation, and while I play with it turned off in most games with it through mods, I keep it on with this particular game

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As long as TES VI doesn't just have an arbitrary set limit of uses before it breaks, and that's it, it should avoid the worst case scenario

feral viper
feral viper
# glad cypress KCD 2 is nice in that it gives you buffs to your armour and weapons that you rep...

The only way I've been able to come up with that keeps it relevant, and not a chore, is to link it directly to Tempering/Improvements.

A weapon will never go below it's normal state, but if you want to keep it improved you have to put some extra work in.

Even then, I think attaching 'maintenance' to a rest action is more than enough. You look after your equipment while you're taking your down time, no need for inventory management.

It's only going to be an issue against particularly damaging encounters, or if you go too long without said down time.

deep yarrow
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Did yall see that in 2014 Todd also said FO4 wasnt coming out for a long time? and it released a year after..

dim reef
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I mean a year IS a long time

feral viper
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A day to Todd is as a thousand years.

wise quartz
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What I wanna know, is why the hell would yall tease a game a decade before you intend on releasing it?

dim reef
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We don't know for sure but the most likely reason is they were about to be bought by Microsoft so they announced everything they had in mind to boost stock value

wise quartz
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I hate that
🫠

eager remnant
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I was a vocal advocate of letting the fandom know that TES6 was coming. Our forums were seeing an incresing number of folks who were making an increaing number if posts claiming that Bethesda was finished making Elder Scrolls games in 2016-2017. I urged both Matt Grandstaff and Pete Hines to say something. Personally I would not have done it in the form of a teaser trailer. I think a clear, concise written message from Bethesda Softworks or Bethesda Game Studios on the front page of our forums would have sufficed. But at least it stopped the spread of misinformation for awhile.

feral viper
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It was a constant thing. We were seeing at least one post a day, sometimes multiple. Something had to be done.

I don't think they made the right decision, but it was at least not a decision to ignore the concerns.

wise quartz
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I can understand that, but I agree, something written, or even a short video discussing the future of the elder scrolls series would have been a much better way to go.

I habe over 4k hours across multiple systems for Skyrim, and probably close to that in the golden days of Oblivion.

Its been very discouraging with the wait we've been given for the next title.

pulsar root
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People were freaking out about Bethesda maybe abandoning Single player games(Wasn't the case but internet gonna internet).

feral viper
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Yeah, it was a whole thing. The announcement about 76 and the existence of ESO had a lot of very vocal people adamant that Bethesda was jumping on the Multiplayer Bandwagon, and wouldn't be making another single player TES.

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It was an attempt to reassure people that there was, in fact, an intent to do another one.

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Ironically, the less than well thought out approach to reassuring people has probably done as much damage now, a decade later, as just ignoring them would have.

wise quartz
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With us getting no updates, other than an occasional "its coming", I feel that way.

Like they only said it to shut people up but didn't actually have anything going for it at the time. (Again, just how it feels to me)

feral viper
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Let's be honest. Has Bethesda ever stuck the landing on anything, even an announcement?

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That's not where Bethesda's strength lies, for better or worse.

wise quartz
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I just hope the wait has been worth it. Especially seeing the glow up they did with Oblivion.

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Ive recently gotten back into eso (I just never use my ps4 anymore so im on xbox now) and its been giving me that elder scrolls itch again

jade plover
coral prawn
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I have a question for anyone that may know the answer recently I went to play the elder scrolls online when it came up with a message that told me I am not eligible to play the game next I got an email from ESO saying my account will get auto deleted within 30 days and I have 4 days to do something about it does anyone know anything that may help

timid drum
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Contact the group

feral viper
# jade plover You don't need smithing. I would like bethesda to remove it completely too. But ...

Equipment customization with modular parts contributing exp.

Deeper material dynamics allowing for far more crafting options.

Simple volume sliders allow you to craft multiple instances at once, combined with diminishing returns for repeat crafts.

Actual tempering and improvement of equipment contributing exp.

Then you can also do things line merge it with general crafting, allowing for things like Furniture Crafting to contribute to the skill, further increasing the number of potential craftables and minimising the need for repeats.

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The core problem with Smithing in Skyrim isn't that it requires churning out daggers. It's that churning out daggers is the most efficient way to max it out quickly.

If you just make a single instance of everything, rather than trying game the leveling, you actually get pretty close to max level. Last time I tried it I got to 90 something.

But if you abuse the system to just quickly max out a skill, well... That's sorta on the player, isn't it? Do something boring to effectively cheat, and you don't get to complain about it being boring.

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You might as well say Athletics is terrible, because in Morrowind you can just tape down the move key and walk away for an hour while your character runs into a wall.

night violet
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I really hope they are using this extra time to make a really good game that will bring back some faith.

feral viper
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Ok.. maybe let's try that piecemeal, to figure out what caused the problem...

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First off, faith is worthless. You can build trust, but faith is trust without justification. People who have faith in Bethesda (or Blizzard, or CDPR, or anyone else) aren't going to change based on quality, because they don't have reasons for their position.

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Second, it won't, and they won't.

TES6 will be like every other game Bethesda has released for almost 30 years. And it will be criticised like every other game they have released for almost 30 years.

timid drum
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🍿 You got this mate

nimble pond
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The Dwemer thought so too 😛

feral viper
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Anyway, before I go to Discord Suggestions about THAT whole thing...

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Basically, Bethesda's problems have always been there. They haven't changed, and they're unlikely to change now.

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But their games are magical despite that. And become beloved in spite of the complaints.

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If you want to trust in something, trust in their ability to make what shouldn't work, work. And somehow, be charming while doing it.

nimble pond
nimble pond
feral viper
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@timid drum saw the whole thing.

timid drum
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Can testify, was interesting to watch

feral viper
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I've narrowed it down to 2 possible words, but don't want to test them...

Guess I'll just cut them out of my vocabulary entirely.

gloomy anchor
feral viper
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My break was almost over, and I wouldn't be back for an hour anyway

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So it wasn't really urgent enough to bug you.

gloomy anchor
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what time around did you type it, Ill check

primal torrent
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You can send a DM to @vast rain as well to inquire about deleted messages

feral viper
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For me, it's 12:37

gloomy anchor
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ah ok its the word exploit. Word was put on block list from people asking for exploits and telling people about exploits, which is against the rules.

feral viper
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Fair enough. That was one of the two options I narrowed it to.

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Managed to get the point across, and the silver lining, in the end. So it's fine.

tardy iris
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Wassup yall

feral viper
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General ennui

dim reef
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Hello kings

pale shoal
mossy charm
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I really ought to distract myself from elder scrolls 6 because this wait has been EXCRUCIATING. Shout

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All I can hope for is that the wait is worth it

feral viper
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No wait is worth it.

pulsar root
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Don't form expectations unnecessarily, all you should expect is typical Bethesda game. Without footage you should be temper your reaction when we do see it.

Not to say you can't get excited, just don't go overboard with the hype 😉

mossy charm
raw grove
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As long as ES6 releases before the end of 2026, and the Dunmer no longer have Australian accents, I will be happy.

dim reef
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Australian? I thought they had scottish accents

feral viper
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I would suggest finding some other way to be happy then, because I don't think 2026 is likely.

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I mean, we haven't even had the second indicated DLC for Starfield yet.

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Though if I'm being honest, I think they're quietly hoping people forgot that and intend to just move on.

raw grove
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Modern Bethesda DLC: "You guys like skins, right?"

midnight stag
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On that note of starfield I thought the leveling system would be better for es6 but as a infinite of times of leveling a skill say like using a skill of war axe multiple times then increasing that skill by using it more times than last

feral viper
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Yeah, at this point just uncap the skills.

pulsar root
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I think uncapped Skills is fine but I think the hardest difficulty, then no but thats only for "balance" reasons.

dim reef
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I'd like a rework of the legendary system to instead add extra bonuses rather than just gutting a skill down to 15

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Cos like what's even the point in it? You're just raising your overall level but your skills will only be as good as they were when they hit 100 previously

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It should be that making a skill legendary grants additional bonuses and maybe a different skill tree that you can grind

feral viper
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Because Skill Level is only an indicator of the amount of time you've put into something. It's not necessarily an indicator of proficiency or specialisation.

jade plover
feral viper
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No, reviewers have changed.

You'll never, ever, be able to use reviews to establish trends in quality. Especially not in gaming, where reviews have a longstanding history of bootlicking from VG media, and hate bandwagoning from consumers.

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Reviews are just one step up from useless. Most data indicates they don't even serve their primary purpose with less than 20% of people even considering them when buying a game.

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It also depends where you look. Starfield's Metacritic is 83%, for instance. Barely a wiggle from Fallout 4s 86%, and a significant increase from 76s 52%.

Further reinforcing just how useless review scores are.

You either end up relying on an argument from authority, an argument from popularity, of Cherry picking. All of which are inherently fallacious and therefore invalid.

feral viper
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Ultimately, Bethesda's quality has not dropped. It's gotten better. There is simply no way to reasonably claim otherwise.

It's simply improved slower than peoples expectations have grown.

hushed coyote
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The problem imo is that fallout and elder scrolls have a rich tapestry of lore to pull from where starfield didnt.

midnight stag
# hushed coyote The problem imo is that fallout and elder scrolls have a rich tapestry of lore t...

True but the only things I like were the way skill trees worked and should be evolved and I believe if in es6 they replaced enchanted weapons and armor with the loot effects of starfield it would be a great Boone and not go and find enchanted items everywhere like in Skyrim make it so that you need to explore to find what works for you and not be overpowered and bring back crafting and true settlement building that is a must

pulsar root
# jade plover They aren't the same. Morrowind - 93% positive reviews Oblivion - 93% FO3 - 80% ...

Its far more complicated in that and just using as reviews as a standard for quality is stupid. Morrowind for a lot of people(That didn't follow them early) was new. Also over time internet presence has gotten bigger and Social Media is more bigger then ever. Second as Dex pointed out ES lore is expansive and massive. Starfield was a new IP entirely. Fallout also had some preexisting Lore before Bethesda touched upon it as well.

Also it cannot be said enough the spread out POI via hundreds of other world spaces hurt Starfield hard(Even if I liked it massively).

feral viper
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Still, they TRIED to make Starfield have a rich tapestry. And like Ithelia with TES, they ended up building that out of flawed ideas that made it shaky at best

hushed coyote
feral viper
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Oh, it's not just Ithelia. She was just the straw that broke the camels back.

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Ithelia just highlights the same core issues that the worldbuilding in Starfield fell prey to.

Playing with ideas that you fundamentally don't understand, and then creating narratives and concepts that undermine themselves.

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This isn't just a Bethesda problem, of course. Another example of it in gaming is Blizzard, and Illidan. Legion just entirely destroyed Illidan's character arc and backstory in one fell swoop with the whole 'He was right the whole time' nonsense.

Totally missing the entire point of a REDEMPTION story.

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Starfield did a lot wrong, that's true. But it's all perfectly in keeping with things Bethesda frequently has problems with. And it significantly improved in some other eras.

Whether people like it or not is irrelevant to its actual quality.

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I mean, look at Oblivion. People love that game, and it's the lowest quality thing Bethesda has made this millennium.

timid drum
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Speaking of oblivion, I couldn't actually finish the original version cause of the game crashing, but def love that game so yea, you got a solid point

feral viper
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Still more stable than New Vegas was at launch though, so I'll give them that.

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Though... Shivering Isles and SecureRom was a whole other thing.

timid drum
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That is fair, Bethesda is its own little special creatue lol

feral viper
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Like a Pug. Adorable and horrifying in equal measure. You can't help but love them.

timid drum
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Yes exactly

next girder
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Dose anyone have Dan Bull’s elder scrolls raps stuck in your head?

feral viper
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Not I, no.

livid ingot
jade plover
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So it is more objective then most other platforms where anyone can make a review

jade plover
# feral viper Ultimately, Bethesda's quality has not dropped. It's gotten better. There is sim...

Exactly. But it depends on how do you estimate quality. Peoples expectations have grown for a reason, because games are getting better in general. If you compare fallout and starfield with previous bethesda games then yes, they improved a lot of things. But if you compare them with other games coming out in the same time they are definitely getting worse just because other games improve faster

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If starfield came out in 2017-2018 people would accept it better than in 2023

nimble pond
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I don't even notice most of the other more recent games to be honest lol. Like yeah, I know GTA6 of course, but literally don't care and know next to nothing about it cause I'm just not into that gametype anymore. I played and finished GTA5, and despite positive reviews, I was pretty bored with that game. Nor do I really compare them. If it's good, it's good (to me I mean. I really don't give a damn what anyone else says about it. There have been PLENTY of games, movies, books, that got terrible reviews, yet I absolutely adored them.)

feral viper
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I haven't played attention to GTA since 2. I've PLAYED them all, but couldn't really care less.

feral viper
pulsar root
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Calling steam reviews objective.

lol

feral viper
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Well, they objectively exist (unless you're a Solipsist, in which case..
But why?).

But reviews by their very nature are inherently subjective.

pulsar root
feral viper
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Oh, I gotcha. I was just being pedantic for a laugh.

nimble pond
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If you want well-thought out, well-written reviews, just Google "Haribo sugar free gummy bears reviews." Even Google AI has it right.

feral viper
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Some of those would bring Shakespeare to tears.

nimble pond
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Get those talented writers to write for Bethesda 😋

noble verge
feral viper
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A bar that, for better or worse, no AAA studio is going to be able to achieve.

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They may have actually done more harm than good. At least in the short term.

slow loom
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Making the best possible product you can is now bad for the industry. What a whacky world we live in.

I can see your point somewhat but we shouldn't be accepting of bloated companies with massively inflated budgets. That then end up putting out subpar products that try to keep the status quo instead of pushing the bar forward.

I haven't got time or money for subpar anymore when there are thousands of games released each year.

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The good thing about steam reviews is that everyone is treated equally in them. Journalist mean no more than your average gamer, as it should be.

Sure there are review bombs but sometimes there are outside forces at play. Say a game might be shutting down in a few months but the steam page doesn't say. Or changes to microtransactions that make the game worse.

It's the reason we have recent reviews and all time reviews. Steam also takes into account review bombing and excludes those reviews in some cases.

No one number should be your deciding factor for if you buy a game. Reviewers words and a general overall rating can help you understand if it's worth your time and money.

On the other hand you have websites that don't even need to prove you own the game or are paid journalists telling you what to buy.

noble verge
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It doesn't help that a lot of people don't trust game journalists anymore for various reasons. Ever since a guy got fired because he gave Kane and Lynch an honest review which prompted Eidos to threaten to cease buying advertising space with the publication, people have been suspicious of the motives of game journalists.

slow loom
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When money is involved there will likely be corruption. It is a case of don't bite the hand that feeds you.

bitter kestrel
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Let's bring the conversation back to the Elder Scrolls please

nimble pond
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So in Skyrim we read an Elder Scroll and entered a memory. Then there's the black books.
How about something that comes clawing out of a scroll or book though, something forbidden that never should of been read by anyone.

slow loom
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It would be awesome if they did more with the Elder Scrolls. Made it into it's own character almost.

hushed coyote
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The scrolls bring sealed away by someone or something and an entity is created to free them.

feral viper
# slow loom Making the best possible product you can is now bad for the industry. What a wha...

Oh, I don't think we should be accepting of it either.

But we live in a world where, ultimately, the consumer doesn't matter. The shareholder does. All we are, are wallets to pilfer.

If you stray too far from the pack, and make something TOO good, that others can't match... The industry doesn't see that as a reason to improve.

Instead, they see the failure to reach that bar as an indication that there isn't enough money to be made trying, and axe the attempt instead.

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So the quality of BG3 and Expedition 33 may lead to the people with the purse strings cutting RPG development elsewhere, because their own development teams can't match it, and don't make enough of a return trying to meet the new quality standard.

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It's definitely not a criticism of excellence. It's a criticism of the failure of modern capitalism.

feral viper
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There are a bunch of fun things you can do with the idea of sealing things in books or scrolls

slow loom
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There will always be new people to replace them dw.

feral viper
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TES and it's use of Nymics is one example.

pulsar root
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Is there a limited amount of the scrolls?

feral viper
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Maybe.

We don't actually know, all we know is that the number of them seems to change from one counting to the next.

dim reef
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Well Martin in Oblivion says "when the next elder scroll is written you shall be it's scribe" so i think new ones pop up every now and then

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Tho it may just be a meta reference to the games i.e when the next game comes out you'll be the player

feral viper
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Martin also says lots of dumb stuff in general. I don't think he actually had a clue what was going on.

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Dude was basically just a nerd with a skill for cyphers.

Only one step above Mankar in that regard.

white niche
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If anyone on the dev team is lurking here, may I make a suggestion (trust me here)

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You guys could do the funniest thing ever and drop a special edition of the Elder Scrolls 6 teaser trailer

slow loom
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It would be a funny joke but there is already quite a lot of hostility in the community. It might just be adding insult to injury.

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If it hadn't been 7 years since the trailer and TES6 was less than a year away from release then it might land.

feral viper
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Theres no more hostility now, than there's been following every release.

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I doubt it would do any more damage, than just releasing a game

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Because if there's one thing the Bethesda community loves more than Bethesda games, its hating on Bethesda games.

pulsar root
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I agree with the last part. But truthfully Bethesda should just not put out anything until its technically ready or anything thats already decided Looks at CP2077

slow loom
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There's a difference between poking fun at the shortcomings of your favourite developer than what we have now.

eager remnant
slow loom
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Fallout 4s All Reviews are Very Positive and Recent Reviews are Mostly Negative. Something obviously changed.

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Skyrim Special Edition is Very Positive. Skyrim Anniversary Edition is Mixed to Mostly Negative.

pulsar root
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Change as in there is an outrage in those specific examples. F04 is the aniversery edition problem. Not necessarily if the game is good.

Same with Skyrim Anniversary edition part of it is to do with the fact Skyrim got updated again. A good chunk of all of it is just review bombing.

slow loom
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We are talking about people who reviewed the game with thousands of hours played in it. Excuses only get you so far. We also aren't talking about wether the game is good or not but community sentiment.

eager remnant
slow loom
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Well discord has only existed for a decade at this point. Sometimes it can be hard to understand the actual fans feeling towards your games under the sea of hate. People don't usually go on forums to express how much they like a game. Usually they are there to express their problems and thoughts for improvements about a game. This is why I use steam reviews as a judge for community sentiment. As it has proven play time and profiles to see that they aren't just bots.

white niche
# pulsar root I agree with the last part. But truthfully Bethesda should just not put out anyt...

I imagine todd teased it so early as more of a “hey. This WILL happen, we didn’t give up on this IP”, I remember around then the idea of TESVI was something people fantasized about but had no idea if it would happen

That being said, insanely early

I would have appreciated more of the recent interviews we had recently over the years, the occasional “hey, we teased it early. It’s gonna happen but not yet” would have probably helped with the communities general attitude about it

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Don’t get me wrong, i’m so excited about it, but the way I see it, I have other games to play and a life to live in the meantime. I’d LOVE to play it soon, we’ve ALL been waiting for a long as time, but, todd said he was preaching patience. I’m not a todd howard or betheada shill by any means, but i’d rather have a complete game than something crunched because the community put so much pressure on the devs that the company released something unfinished, see cyberpunk and CDPR

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That and I imagine starfield being the fumble that it was isn’t helping, it still feels like we haven’t gotten anything new and big from bethesda because so few of us got past a few hours in starfield

dim reef
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But people still bought it anyway AdoringFan

hushed coyote
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I like the idea of CC but imo none of it is worth it. If they brought in the voice actors to add additional voice lines for some of the CC stuff that would add serious amounts of value. The Skyrim “here is your note” really hinders the entire experience imo for a lot of the CC content.

Especially when free mods do the same thing. CC needs to have that next level polish to justify having to pay for it.

dim reef
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Personally my main interest in CC is the items and gear themselves rather than the quests. I don't mind them not being voiced as i recall that was a legal issue. I like most of the gear or items they add so I'm satisfied with them. Tho occasionally the odd CC quest turns out to be decent which is a bonus

slow loom
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That sounds like a pretty low bar to me. Random content that has no balance which is sometimes decent.

dim reef
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I mean it is decent most of the time in my experience

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The quests can be hit or miss but like i said I'm not interested in the quests but the items

feral viper
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Unless it's the Adamantium Helm of Tohan. Because that thing was bad ass.

hushed coyote
feral viper
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Well, that's more an issue if Bethesda being Bethesda.

How the games work at all is a miracle.

dim reef
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That's just how dlcs like that work in general. It's why most devs just don't interfere with base game

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Most dlcs are usually set in separate world spaces

feral viper
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Or don't implemented new sophisticated interactions and mechanics.

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That sort of thing is usually restricted to 4x games.

Bethesda being the clear outlier there.

jade plover
feral viper
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Don't need to tell me. I think the DLC model used across the industry isn't just outrageous, it's down right immoral.

I don't generally buy DLC. I only ever play stuff when it's rolled into game packages, or is a full in expansion.

feral viper
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For instance... You sell 10 million copies of a game. That's 10 million potential customers for a dlc.

You then sell a skin, the simplest of DLCs. If you price it at $1, and only 10% of the potential market buys it, you've made $1m in sales.

Now, is anyone honestly going to tell me that a skin is so cost intensive that you can't make a reasonable profit on that?

I've DONE 3d modeling and texturing. I may not be good at it, but I've done it. I know the work involved.

noble verge
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I thought AE had decent value for its cost. Lots of new armors, new weapons, new artifacts, new mounts, new player housing, new followers (the goat is the GOAT), new dungeons, and new enemies.

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Not exactly balanced, but no less balanced than TES III where you could get a full set of mid-upper tier light armor, a Daedric katana, and three scrolls that let you jump halfway across the world in the first few minutes of the game.

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Compared to Bethesda's non worldspace-adding DLCs like Tribunal, KOTN, Broken Steel, Dawnguard, and Automatron, it's a pretty meaty assortment of content.

sudden temple
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Can we make eso cross play some how

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Me and my friends just tried to all get together to play in realize we can't because we're all on separate consoles PC Xbox and play stations

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I have no way shape or form of knowing if it's even possible but it would be really cool

eager remnant
sudden temple
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Whoops yeah your right I'm a freaking dumb ass xD bahahhaha

feral viper
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You'll fit right in then. We're all dumb asses here.

sudden temple
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im short ass smart ass and dumb ass so i made my character a donkey XD

warm matrix
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Haven't figured out what causes this or how to fix it

eager remnant
warm matrix
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Right. Thanks

jade gorge
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What do y'all think about Elder Scrolls Blades being ported over to vr before the release of the Steam Frames? Considering the mobile architecture they're both based on it would hopefully be easier than the other titles, and I think the gameplay would lend itself to vr really well. This would absolutely be a project that could be sent off to a secondary studio or even a team of modders that got hired, and would be a really awesome way to bridge the gap between titles.

night ember
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finished the dragonborn dlc

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wtf thats all there is!??? like this is even worse than the main quest somehow

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they really doubled down on characters saying absolutely nothing, miraak gets like three sentences in before he bites it lmao
not to mention it's like three real "main quests" and some open world filler
why even make him the first dragonborn if he's just there to be a stick for me to hit

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now I can finally play morrowind lol

livid ingot
dim reef
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I think DB is fine as is. Easily one of Bethesda's best dlcs

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Definitely way better than the atrocity that was Morrowind's Solstheim dlc

feral viper
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Bloodmoon was amazing.

dim reef
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I hated it. Tribunal >>>> Bloodmoon

pulsar root
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Barely touched Morrowind so I can't comment on its DLC.

feral viper
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Tribunal was definitely the better of the two, I'll agree with that.

noble verge
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I think Dragonborn did Solstheim much better than Bloodmoon.

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Then again, literally every NPC on Vvardenfell and Mournhold said that Solstheim is a terrible place, so at least they set low standards at the start.

feral viper
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Bloodmoon at least had more direct references to Nordic and Scandinavian mythologies, and cultural elements.

But that's a general problem with Skyrim. It's culture is... Anemic. It's at least THERE (compared to Oblivion) but there was so little to it.

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It also had better Horkers. Bloodmoon was at a time when Bethesda wasn't afraid of making odd creature.

night ember
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I love the story of kirkbride tricking todd into making morrowind weird by showing him extra messed up designs for him to turn down first

dim reef
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I'll agree with Crimson here. DB handled Solstheim infinitely better than Bloodmoon

slow loom
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It would be nice if they took off the restraining gloves and weren't afraid to dream again.

pulsar root
feral viper
noble verge
feral viper
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For the most part, Skyrim's Nords are just HBO Viking ripoffs.

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Best part of Skyrim's Nords, were the Ancient Nords. And we say almost none of it.

noble verge
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Bloodmoon Nords were literally just "Berserkers", "Sea Raiders", "Beowulf", one solitary allusion to Wergild, and "In-tune-with-nature Noble Savages with no evident connection to established Nordic religious practices".

feral viper
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Fair point. It's probably a good dose of nostalgia, coupled with my love of Beowolf

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The Nords are equally bad then.

Nords have always sucked

pulsar root
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I wouldn't go that far but I think leaning too hard on the viking thing and making Nords only that(Same goes for Imperials and roman influence) probably not the best thing.

dim reef
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I like how Nords are handled personally. They do have viking influences but i think they have enough unique flair on their own to stand tall

nimble pond
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I like the giants more. But I'd like to see them a lil more developed, like actually being able to talk to one or have one as a companion/follower. That'd be pretty great, especially with that skyrocketing club swing.

dim reef
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More giant lore would be nice. True

feral viper
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All the humans are pretty lame. They're not BAD, but lame. Altmer and Bosmer are bad. Argonians, Khajiit and Dunmer are relatively good.

dim reef
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Nah Bosmer are really good. We just need a game focusing on their side of things

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Green pact, Y'ffre and all that

feral viper
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They pulled all the teeth out of the Green Pact and turned it into a 110 year old man.

dim reef
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Bretons are the only race i feel kinda meh for. Their lore doesn't interest me much

feral viper
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ESO actively made me hate the Bosmer. Went from my second favourite peoples, to dead last.

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And that's saying something, considering my low opinion of Bretons.

dim reef
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My personal race ranking goes
Nords > Dunmer > Imps > Altmer > Bosmer > Redguard > Orsimer > Bretons

feral viper
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Oh right. Orcs are a thing.

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If probably put it like...

Dunmer > Argonians > Khajiit > Imperials > Goblins > Imga > Sload > Maormer > Orsimer > Redguard > Giants > Akaviri > Altmer > Bosmer

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Id out the Dreug in there as well, but Bethesda seems to have forgotten there a civilisation and not just animalistic crab people.

dim reef
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I'd have included the khajiit and argonians but i thought we were only talking about mer and humans.
I'd probably place them between Bosmer and Redguard

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Also is there a reason why all of Bethesda's music releases on YouTube are being taken down and re-uploaded? It's happening to both Fallout and ES albums

pulsar root
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Probably copyright claims(Or youtube being stupid, if its official Bethesda accounts)

dim reef
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Both Inon Zur and Jeremy Soule's individual pages seem to be hit by it. Starfield's ost on Bethesda's own account however seems fine

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Quite strange

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ESO's album is fine as well. Seems like it's only BGS related albums

pulsar root
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Yeah seems like Youtube's automated system or a troll did it(Despite the fact they technically did the music).

feral viper
gloomy kraken
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bosmers did nothing wrong

feral viper
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No, but the writers did.

gloomy kraken
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Bosmer > everything else

feral viper
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I hate what ESO did with them so much, going into detail about why will get the mods angry.

So I won't. Beyond saying... Burn Valenwood

gloomy kraken
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nah they're based they do cannibalism

feral viper
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Not according to ESO they don't. That's an outdated tradition most of them don't really engage with.

gloomy kraken
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the zealots still do and that's all that matters

pulsar root
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Wood Elves without the cannibalism is ++

Hashtag dealwithit

dim reef
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I mean i don't mind it personally. Meat is Meat

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It's actually hazardous to our health but if their body can deal with that i say it's all well and good

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It's not like they eat people alive or something

pulsar root
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💀

feral viper
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Well... It's POTENTIALLY hazardous.

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The main risk with cannibalism, in any species, is exposure to disease. If you're eating the same species as yourself it's much easier for infectious diseases to jump from one to the other.

Of particular risk are prions, though that risk exists across species as well.

gloomy kraken
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Yolo

noble verge
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Fortunately wood elves are consistently depicted as being resistant to disease.

feral viper
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Prions are less a disease in the standard sense... And more a runaway infectious defect

noble verge
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Diseases in TES are pretty widespread in terms of what they are. Even without any sort of real pathological lore or knowledge of microbes, some of the disease names, like gutworm and dampworm, imply parasites, and others like Blight and the various vampire diseases are supernatural.

slow loom
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We were talking about how they should release a Special Edition of the TES6 trailer but they already did that joke kind of.

gloomy kraken
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Still scared that there is potential for a skyrim definitive edition

nimble pond
nimble pond
# feral viper All the humans are pretty lame. They're not BAD, but lame. Altmer and Bosmer are...

What I dislike is that the Men & Mer are just too alike.. (and it's not just a TES problem, i see it in alot of other games & movies). They might just as well be the same. :I
I just wanted elves to stand out more from the men. I agree the Dunmer are better off than the other elven races. Bosmer have potential, it's just a matter if they can hit it on the head.
Altmer have potential to be better as well, as true masters of the arcane.
Bretons having qualities of both Men & Mer, I feel like should be more fearsome as hybrids instead of watered-down milk drinkers.

nimble pond
nimble pond
# pulsar root Wood Elves without the cannibalism is ++ Hashtag dealwithit

They could improve it more by doing more with the cannibalism itself. Wood elves gaining powers and knowledge beyond any other normal cannibal. Maybe even their memories and such so in a way each Bosmer lives on forever throughout their race as they continue on. And perhaps it could stack, like passing on everything that individual cannibalised and being super-nutrious when the body is absorbed by nature.

gloomy kraken
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I will always support more cannibalism

feral viper
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Most settings take the Race approach to create very distinct species, and ... Well, do it poorly.

TES has a single species, with largely superficial differences where most of its culture.

nimble pond
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Oh yea, and give us useable lanterns, simply for access to different colored light choices (red, green, blue, etc. possibly different patterns as well for fun and purposes) and being able to focus the light directly like a spotlight when aimed.
And also the option of giving it a smartlight function (basically a glimmer of light points towards the object) of highlighting interesting or valuable items nearby that you may not have seen otherwise (I'm always missing things things in dungeons) or even a list for selecting what type of items you want it to seek out.

pulsar root
gloomy kraken
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Why not

feral viper
dim reef
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We have good lighting systems in Fallout and Starfield. ES is just behind for no reason

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They have light magic yet all they could conjure up was a small ball of light

midnight stag
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If they incorporate a lot of the stuff from the past Bethesda games like fallout 4 base building and factions choices and settlement defense and some of the stuff from starfield that a lot of people actually enjoyed about it I believe they would nail es6 completely with the fans

ripe ruin
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is elder scrolls vi out yet, todd you rascal

nimble pond
pulsar root
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People soured over the settlement system. Personally I think just extending the housing options(Like Hearthfire on steroids) is enough not entire settlements.

midnight stag
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On another note what if they have a system in the character creation that you could start out as a vampire, werewolf, or something like a vigilant of stendar or just mortal class that has their weaknesses and advantages or neither against them maybe something like what you saw with starfield in the character creation when choosing to yield a higher reward but higher risk just something I thought up today I thought that would be cool if they could implement something similar to that in the next game but I don’t think that they’d have that thought process but if they did it would be a new way of playing the game in which the player has an interesting advantage to other characters in the game like npc or named factions where the players can function in a way to empower the player

gloomy kraken
nimble pond
feral viper
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None of these are actually, you know... SETTLEMENTS.

Last time we had anything you could actually call that, was Bloodmoon.

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A settlement system should feel like building a community. A hub for activities that you can engage in, not just a resource farm that you show up to occasionally to dump excess inventory off at.

SIM Settlements improved in this over the base approach in FO4, but it was limited by the base game.

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Somewhat hilariously (in an ironic way) is the fact that I've used Minecraft Mods that do settlements better than Bethesda has managed to do in the last decade...

One of which being made by one dude, as a coding project for his YouTube channel over a single year.

dim reef
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Well there's a reason why FO4's base building was separate from other things. Some don't like it so having them lock quests behind building things would turn people off

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I honestly like it that way. It's a nice side activity. I don't need it to be heavily tied to the main story or major side quests

feral viper
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Fallout 4, and Fallout in general, have always been more directly plot related.

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It's harder to have a whole detached activity when the game it's self focuses around a particular story

feral viper
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My overall point was more that people are tired of the settlement system, because Bethesda has never done anything particularly engaging WITH it.

So that doesn't make the system bad. It just makes it's uses bad.

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It actually has a great deal of potential for TES, both on small and large scales. It just needs to be used in a way that is more than a one-dimensional tack on.

gloomy kraken
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I mean I know a lot of people who like building stuff

dim reef
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I do

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Thing is people will complain if there's a heavy emphasis on building connected to the major quests. Heck a bunch of people disliked FO4 for simply making you use the system to make the signal interceptor

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So all in all I'm fine with it being separate

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Tho they way over did the separation in Starfield. It feels more like a footnote there than anything with even a remote semblance of connection to the plot

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In 4 and 76 you're rebuilding the world, in Starfield you're... mining resources ig

pulsar root
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I just don't think settlement building really belongs in the ES games. Like I said, have Hearthefire as a baseline but with more features(Like being able to move the usually static objects in houses around).

feral viper
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Elements of it can be adapted and expanded upon to do several things.

Fortification management for larger battles.

Guild management to make leadership actually DO something (anything, vehk's brazen balls, ANYTHING).

Homesteading like expanded Hearthfires content.

A full township where you build/rebuild a community like Raven Rock.

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It's got a lot of potential, it just needs to actually be used in a thoughtful manner.

gloomy kraken
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We just need more cannibalism, more necromancy and most importantly more Molag Bal

feral viper
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Look, all the cannibalism talk is starting to give me Catholic vibes.

We have enough of that with the Dark Brotherhood. We don't need more.

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In fact, let's get rid of the Dark Brotherhood while we're at it.

gloomy kraken
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But eating people is fun

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Didn't know catholics were based like that

feral viper
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They only eat the one person.

pulsar root
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No to both.

gloomy kraken
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Crazy I need to look into that

feral viper
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Huh. You know, didn't have 'finding someone unfamiliar with the eucharist' on my bingo card for today.

Isn't life unexpected?

gloomy kraken
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I am not that well versed on those subjects I do wanna study theology soon tho since I grew up without knowing about all that lore

feral viper
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That conversation will very quickly go wildly off topic and run into problems with the discord rules.

But it's an interesting dive. So long as you make sure to draw information from a wide range of courses, religious and secular, and don't let yourself get sucked in.

gloomy kraken
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Ofc not dw

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It's more out of the desire to know than the understanding to partake

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Anyway back to topic, Molag Bal is hot

feral viper
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I believe he is actually cold.

gloomy kraken
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😭

feral viper
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Hence the cold-flame.

gloomy kraken
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His name means Stone-Fire tho

feral viper
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And he has fire. It's just cold fire.

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Because magic.

gloomy kraken
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I always struggle is the technical turn for the blue fire coldfire or soulfire bc I know it's mostly cold fire but I think I've also seen soulfire

feral viper
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It would be folly to assume there is a correct answer.

Because TES doesn't have correct answers. Just half thought-out ideas thrown at a wall for the community to make some semblance of sense of.

gloomy kraken
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They made molag bal hot so I forgive them

nimble pond
bitter kestrel
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Let's bring the conversation back to something more appropriate please meowthumbsup

feral viper
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Indeed.

In relation to settlements... Refining the engagement with NPCs, rather than focusing on resource gathering (or better yet, integrating those elements) would go a long way to integrating it into TES.

The structure and item placement systems are already useful as-is, but it's the almost entirely undeveloped 'Management' side of them that has the most potential, both on large and small scales.

nimble pond
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If they do bring in boats, I hope they open up the deep sea because I'd want to explore the ancient lost underwater civilization of the Dreugh, since they pre-date the first era. Perhaps even before "land" was created and there was only water? Finding their temples and ruins all over the deep sea floor and some even as "floating nest" dungeons in the middle of the water depths. Be fun to have both that along with exploring the lost ruins of the Dwemer in the next province.

feral viper
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TES goes the other way. The land predates the water.

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So, in principle, there's plenty of sunken remnants of the late Dawn Era civilisations under the sea

lean ravine
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Well folks. I’m doing it. I’m getting back into ESO

feral viper
nimble pond
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On the TESVI teaser trailer from years ago.. as the camera moves forward, to me it kinda looks like or at least there's the possibility there's a river just under the ridge the ruined fort is located. It just looks like in the middle of the screen, that whole ridge is isolated with a hidden river running behind it. But my eyes ain't the best.

Just got me wondering if we're actually looking at two provinces here instead of one. Moving from High Rock towards Hammerfell, with the bay on the right and the Skyrim mountain border and/or part of the Dragontail Mountains (looks like snow on the tops) on the left?

dim reef
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I honestly don't think anything from that teaser actually existed

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Tho maybe if they hadn't forgotten about it they'll actually recreate that in game

nimble pond
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LOL. I just read someone suggested that the big hole (cavern, crater thing, whatever people wanna call it), is actually a giant footprint from Numidium.

Though that would be pretty cool. I did read some lore history about Numidium being outside of Wayrest towards one of the endings of the Daggerfall game. King Eadwyre.

fleet reef
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Anyone think the Geoff keely statue in the desert with a eye and tentacles with some familiar looking armor might be a tease to es6?

nimble pond
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Nah. It's Diablo 4 expansion. Jez Corden also posted it was that. But he did mention there was something else in addition. Only thing I have read that I agree with is the additional thing is either that a diablo tv series is in the works OR separately.. a FNV remaster shadowdrop is imminent. Lol But I don't see anything TES-related to it, sorry.

dim reef
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Half Life 3
hopium administered

feral viper
nimble pond
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Lol

feral viper
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Sorry, read FNV...

But yeah, there has been a rumour of going back to Life Golien for the next Diablo DLC.

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Considering the whole game is just a Diablo 2 nostalgia farm, it makes sense.

pulsar root
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The gothic look gave it away for me IMO. Nope No Elder Scrolls this year. If Todd is really liking the shadow drop he won't hint at it.

nimble pond
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Yea it was so overly demonic looking, I couldn't see it being TES. Heck, not even Doom is that demonic.

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But as far as shadowdrops go, I don't see it happening with TESVI. But I could see it with Fallout 3 or New Vegas. There has been quite alot of Fallout activity lately.. ngl. From Fallout 4 updates (and getting some NV love pumped into it like the Varmint Rifle), Fallout 76 stuff like Burning Springs expansion about to drop, Season 2 of the TV series coming in December, which coincidentally revolving around a New Vegas plot I have heard. So it really would not surprise me in the least if they shadowdrop a Fallout New Vegas Remaster in December along with Season 2 of the show.

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But don't read too much into what I'm saying. I'm just having fun with wild ideas.

nimble pond
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Nevermind, I just read the Oblivion remaster took 4 years to develop. Would of been cool if both S2 of the Fallout show & FNV remaster released alongside, but looks like that ain't gonna happen.

I will say this though. We've gotten a good amount of TES mobile games over the years. I think we're overdue for a second Fallout mobile game.

pulsar root
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The world pines for ES6.

midnight stag
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To you the truth I don’t think that if Todd Howard comes out with es6 earlier than he said I don’t think he’d survive the fallout of that or actually any time he comes out with it because of how long it has been since the last es mainline game but I also think people would just like to know when to exactly to expect it because of vague and long time lines that he or anyone had predicted or planned so yeah there’s going to be fallout anytime it comes out and if it doesn’t I would be surprised about that

feral viper
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I suspect we'll all not be surviving the fallout long before TES6 releases.

amber dew
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ESO needs a non-combat pet petting and feeding system. The feeding system allows us to give them food items that we wont use that way we don't horde items we don't want.

nimble pond
eager remnant
amber dew
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Yeah, I don’t talk on Forums

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Appreciate it though

strange sandal
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ESO related post - if you play ESO, please please read my message! <33
Hi guys! 👋

I wanted to share something exciting (and stressful) with you – I’m currently working on my bachelor thesis about Information Security and Data Protection in Online Games, and I’ve chosen ESO as my main case study! 🤓

I’m researching things like cyber threats targeting us players (phishing, account theft, social engineering) and investigating how safe our data and accounts actually are.

**I’d love to hear your thoughts! **If you have any ideas on this topic, or if you’ve ever encountered any scams, weird whispers, or security issues in ESO, please hit me up(dms, thread or dedicated channel on dc server). Any brainstorming or real stories would be super helpful for my research because I want to include the community's perspective.

Thanks a lot! ❤️

stray mountain
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I wanna be a cool mf wizard in ESO so bad, but I don't wanna be forced to use STAVES just to shoot a fireball at someone, I like the way Skyrim has the magic, where you just have like the element in your hand(s) and just hold your hand out to cast the spell

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Like I wanna tell out "It's wizard time, mf! FIREBALL!!!"

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But no stupid staff >:(

gloomy kraken
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Staffs are cool

eager remnant
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@strange sandal@stray mountain Again, this is not the Elder Scrolls Online Discord. Please post messages about ESO on their forums. You will find the link to their forums in my previous post, above. Now, let's get back to disccusing the single-player Elder Scrolls games please. Thank you.

stray mountain
gloomy kraken
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Weird that you can use general fallout chat for new vegas but not this one for ESO

stray mountain
gloomy kraken
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No I get why if it was for all games from other studios but isolating a game bc online is weird

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Gonna modmail this, im curious

gloomy anchor
gloomy kraken
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Kraken I just send my ticket stop being so fast 😭

gloomy kraken
primal torrent
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Kraken too quick

gloomy anchor
gloomy kraken
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Yes old people

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🥰🥰🥰💚

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Hope all y'alls atleast read my modmail bc I even did periods and other text symbols

feral viper
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Man, I WISH we still had forums. They were superior to Discord for this sort of thing, in every way.

gloomy kraken
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Unc

feral viper
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Discord is great for a couple friends, hanging out.

For large communities? Naw. Why it ever became a thing is a clear sign of the collapsing intelligence of the masses.

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If it hadn't started 6 or 7 years ago, I'd think it was on the advice of Grok

gloomy kraken
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I've only been on social media for 6 years

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Less tbh, august 2020 marks 6 years

feral viper
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Discord is less social media, and more a chat app.

gloomy kraken
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I meant any

strange sandal
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I am sorry if i caused any trouble by my message. Well still if you have any stories from any online game, id welcome that too.
Again, sorry for the trouble. Have a good one! ❤️

feral viper
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If we're counting chat apps, ive been at this since AIM, on dialup

hushed coyote
feral viper
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But more to the point...

The shortcomings of Discord become more apparent when you're engaging in detail oriented conversations, and when you have high traffic.

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Referencing specific details and partial quotes is difficult on Discord, and it lacks a lot of formatting options that allow you to concisely relay information points.

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On top of that, when you have high traffic, you end up with rapid scrolls of the text that makes any cohesive conversation basically impossible.

Instead you just get people posting random statements that disappear into the scroll, never to be read

hushed coyote
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have you tried threads for more detailed conversation?

feral viper
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Nope.

I'm mostly just being a grognard and lamenting the loss of the Forums.

noble verge
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Don't forget the fact that search engines don't index Discord and you can't anonymously lurk.

I miss forums too.

feral viper
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The stuff we used to be able to do on the Forums, including posting full on theses about game design, but condense it behind spoiler tags so it wasn't just a wall of text, were next level.

white niche
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Dawg oblivion remastered should NOT be verified on the steamdeck

lyric dagger
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tho the "verified" tag does not mean anything about performance

feral viper
white niche
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Yeah, i’ve been playing with my settings a bit, I keep it capped at 120fps for funsies so I can have randomly super smooth performance for a second lol

Mostly low, the animation and texture loading looks a lot like bad ai video in the imperial city, even just the landscape texture

lyric dagger
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seems verified!

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the guidelines say if it launches and is "playable" its verified

white niche
lyric dagger
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just stream it from ur pc

white niche
white niche
white niche
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Areas inside do run significantly smoother, ofc

But outside in the wilderness and major cities I get a drop, skingrad however seems to be much smoother than like, the imperial city in comparison, which makes sense

(I’ll probably move this over to the oblivion channel)

noble verge
feral viper
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Yeah.

feral viper
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Though, in their defense, it wasn't so much scrapped, as discontinued.

The platform the old forums ran on was discontinued. Which means no more security updates. Which is a security risk for those still operating it.

nimble pond
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So I just had a dream that Ozzy Osborne wasn't dead. But was instead found in the realm of Oblivion. And there was a new Daedric Prince, who turned out to be Ozzy. He was the prince of Forbidden Music. A powerful and ancient art of sound that was similar to the schools of magic, but was produced thru sound instead of mana. It could charm, cause destruction and even summon demigods. Anyway, Ozzy was rockin' out, it was a huge concert in Oblivion. Suddenly he picked up a scamp and bit it's head off. I was in such a state of both shock and joy that I woke up shortly after. At least I think I did, am I still dreaming? I gotta lay off the spicy food before bed..

tepid moat
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We need this to be an official update from Bethesda

timid drum
nimble pond
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Truly. Finally a Daedric Prince I want to worship lol

pulsar root
timid drum
mossy charm
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So what's the consensus for that weird desert statue?

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Do we think it might be something elder scrolls related?

nimble pond
# mossy charm Do we think it might be something elder scrolls related?

As for it being TESVI. Big no (respected game journalist already confirmed it was not as well as Todd Howard himself stating very recently in an interview the game was still going to be a while).

As for it having to do with anything else TES-related, who knows? But personally I don't think it is.

midnight stag
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I don’t actually know if the statue is of es6 or not but a lot of things on the statue reflect es games and between Microsoft ceo and Xbox ceo it could be existential surcimstances between them of making money to promote Xbox brand and to meet the goal that Microsoft CEO set for Xbox sales so they could try and get a heavy hitter out to ensure it does and for that insider that everyone is talking about I looked into it and the post or whatever it was could of been very well falsified even though he is a reputable source but the way that the person in question that posted about it was probably not originally him but someone with a similar name because I’ve learned two things that Bethesda won’t for any reason to give up information on games weather Todd or staff due to the very extreme nda that they all signed and that they love to stir the pot and additionally Microsoft is rocking the boat CEO is being te be at tsa awards maybe but not in a official way but yeah maybe not who knows

dim reef
feral viper
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The second teaser picture was a desert with a road called Mesa road. So it's clearly Half-life 3

nimble pond
# dim reef The game journalist confirmed it wasn't Diablo 4. I didn't hear nothing about ES

Believe me friend,
https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighley-posts-cryptic-image-with-the-caption-regal-inspiring-thickness-up-not-diablo.1368046/page-17#post-148370662

ResetEra
Geoff Keighley posts cryptic image with the caption "regal.inspirin...

It’s pretty funny that Schrier commenting on it set the speculation running wild since everyone assumed it was Diablo. Felt like this had lost all it’s steam but now it’s interesting

nimble pond
dim reef
feral viper
dim reef
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Yeah about that

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I think after Alyx the arctic plotline is on hold for now

feral viper
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True, I forgot about Alyx

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That said, I will state that if it IS TES6, I am concerned.

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Because I have seen no reason to believe that Bethesda has learned anything from the failures of combat the last few games.

midnight stag
# nimble pond Believe me friend, https://www.resetera.com/threads/geoff-keighley-posts-cryptic...

Look the guy in question that has been said to allegedly said anything about es6 at tga awards very well could not be the very same guy because there is for one Bethesda employees and executives will not say anything to anyone for good reason and another is there is a very real possibility that is not the real guy saying that and is someone impersonating or going by the same name but no there is no way to tell if the guy in question is the real deal because most of the time there is no way that someone that reputable would say anything through his real or similar name on any website or use his real name in any way even if it said so because people will handle his stuff instead of himself because of liability issues and really in any thing he actually does post is under a pin name and no one would actually know until what ever it comes out and still he would still have restrictions on what he can actually personally post and anything he could not post personally without a pin name to go by to protect himself and this applies to basically everything that can be posted by a reputable real source so no do not believe anything that is posted with out actual verification through the people who actually are making or news or anything without verification through the right channels so yeah I learned that at a young age and it should probably be taught in school because of many problems that happen so not to cause any issues with people because I have also seen and heard about it too much and they still don’t teach anything about that in schools even now and as much as of I know of they probably should so yeah there is a life lesson for you not to be harsh but it is reality

bold pier
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I know ESO is an MMO, but it feels too MMO. Does anyone else agree with me? like fallout 76 is also an MMO but it feels like a single player game brought online. I’m curious if Bethesda is gonna do an engine revamp for ESO if it plans to stick around for 20 more years.

dim reef
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ESO isn't really trying to provide a traditional ES experience while 76 is specifically doing that with Fallout. They have different demographics

pulsar root
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Bethesda isn't developing ESO. That would be Zenimax Online

feral viper
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That said, it's video game journalism. All they have these days are reviews by people who actively dislike video games, and reporting in rumours and hearsay.

dim reef
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All imma say is Geoff Keighley is about to bag mad profit from this year's TGA with all these rumors VaultBoyConfused

nimble pond
pulsar root
mossy charm
nimble pond
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I have further bad news for 2026 believers. Just watched a new video of the Great Todd himself stating GTA6 is likely to come out before TESVI and Fallout 5 does. GTAVI was slated to release in spring 2026, but was later pushed back to Fall 2026.

Link to video here:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRzIJQ-CGtt/?igsh=NGxkcXVxYnYzamdy

powerunlimited

GTA 6: Todd Howard gelooft dat ie niet meer wordt uitgesteld 🙌

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obsidian cargo
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It sure would be neat to be able to use polymorphs on companions

pulsar root
nimble pond
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I also recall it being stated by Xbox's Phil Spencer TESVI would not release until after Fable does and I think we still don't have a release date for that game yet either besides an estimated target of 2026, but it's not in concrete yet. Previously it was targeted for 2025, but that didn't happen here in the decade of delays. Many games have succumbed to being delayed. Phil also added in mid-2023 that TESVI was likely 5 years away. If TESVI released in Mid 2026, that would make it only 3 years.

nimble pond
timid drum
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Yeah itll release in 2026 like my college tuition being less than 10k lol

nimble pond
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What would be cool tho in the meantime would be a small spin-off where you get to play as an unknown Daedric Prince ruling your own realm of Oblivion. Or at least add that to TES: Castles so we can run a Daedric castle.

pulsar root
timid drum
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That is true, but either way it was just a silly comment. No meant to be serious

tame matrix
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Do you guys think this might be es6?

tardy tiger
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No.

livid ingot
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Why would it be?

pulsar root
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Nope

feral viper
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I am about 50/50 on it.

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There's a lot of relatively generic imagery in it that COULD fit into TES.

However, it could also fit with a God of War take on Egypt. And we know Kratos went to Egypt after he destroyed Greece.

livid ingot
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Why would it be either?

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I have zero idea to the context of this image

gloomy kraken
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Its TES 67

feral viper
dim reef
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My money's still on random gacha game number 4000

feral viper
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It's also thick, and Kratos' arms be thicker than molasses

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That said, the animals depicted are all consistent with Egyptian deities, and the skeletons all consistent with humans.

So, since there are non-humans in TES, that diminishes the likelihood hood of TES somewhat. At the same time, Bethesda has never shown us a Non-Human skeleton, so its kind of a tossup there.

livid ingot
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Why is it significant, I mean. Why is it drawing attention?

pulsar root
livid ingot
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And this guy has a record of insider knowledge of the gaming industry? He's posted leaks before?

pulsar root
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He's the literal announcer of the game awards show that happens(Or has happened) at the end of the year so yeah he knows something, he was just teasing it

livid ingot
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Ah so its a game that's going to be announced in December

feral viper
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In principle, he needs to be given foreknowledge of what's going to be at the event he is the announcer for, otherwise he won't know what to announce during the show.

So he HAS to know something.

glad shadow
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Obviously he knows whats up lol, you think he gets paid in cash from black briefcases on the street so he would never know who is paying him for advertisment?

feral viper
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It also makes no sense to not tell him what's being shown anyway.

If he was only told the day of, he'd have no time to prepare, and just be stumbling through the entire event like a concussed football player in a china shop.

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Which, I will admit, would be hilarious... But not productive.

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So, we can safely assume it means SOMETHING.

What, remains to be seen.

glad shadow
feral viper
pulsar root
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This game! coming soon! Ends announcement

dim reef
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The Video Game

livid ingot
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I mean... they could let him only know a couple hours prior and he'd have all the preparation necessary

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When are the game awards scheduled for?

glad shadow
feral viper
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You don't spend this kind of money on something and then wing it.,

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And you can see what happens when things don't go as planned, with the Diablo Immoral announcement

livid ingot
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They could still plan everything out without knowing the actual titles

feral viper
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More on the productive, rather than speculative side of things... There's a Luality clip I saw recently which really encapsulates why I think melee combat in TES (and most real time RPGs) is so bad.

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It's only interactive in the most simplistic sense.

Swing, hit, maybe block or dodge, and that. Is. It.

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And since Skyrim, Bethesda's melee has actively gotten worse.

If not follows the trend that it's had for the last 3 games, the single biggest element of any Bethesda game come TES6 is going to be Morrowind-in-2025 levels of bad.

And that's concerning.

livid ingot
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I don't need to be even more pessimistic about TES:VI, Terical 😩

pulsar root
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Its involuntary for him. Don't hurt me.

feral viper
timid drum
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The day Terical stops being pessimistic about the elder scrolls/Bethesda is the day the world ends. (Tho honestly love the points they make)

livid ingot
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tbf though, melee hasn't really been a focus since Skyrim. Both Fallout and Starfield are more shooter focused titles

feral viper
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Absolutely. Which is why I do think there is a slim chance of something good.

But based on the trend we've seen, melee has only gotten worse..

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To the point where... I actually think Starfield would have been better without Melee at all.

noble verge
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I'd expect TES 6 to have advancements in melee just as Fallout 4 and Starfield had advancements in shooting.

jade plover
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They should just use combat from Dark Messiah or similar games

glad shadow
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Instead of "fus ro dah" off the ledge we can "this is sparta" off the ledge

feral viper
livid ingot
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I just learned a new fantasy total war title is going to be announced at the game awards. So the doorway & stone relief people were talking about might be from that.

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Not to derail current discussion

feral viper
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Iinnteresting given they didn't announce it on their own show

livid ingot
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I don't get it either - it was a 1.5 hour presentation and they announced DLC and a game in pre development. 😅

feral viper
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Nagash though

feral viper
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Also, my girl Neferata. I should finish my converted model of her
..

tardy tiger
winter sleet
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Has Bethesda fixed/enhanced the performance of Oblivion Remastered? I really wanna get into Oblivion since I play a lot of skyrim though when I first got the remaster my pc which is powerful couldnt handle it. Is it good now?

timid lynx
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No

timid drum
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There isn't a set definition of good, I personally enjoy the remastered version. I say try the game out and see if you like it

timid lynx
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Ha my message was deleted

timid lynx
gloomy anchor
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I would stop mentioned deleted posts if you do not want more deleted #rules If you have a question about a deleted post, ask in modmail.

timid lynx
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Tho tbf i don't think its rly bethesda that does the patches, its probably virtuos.

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@vast rain

gloomy anchor
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you would find it in the list and message it

timid drum
dim reef
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Announce SOULE!

feral viper
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Naaah

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Jesper Kyd.

timid drum
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Have to agreen with Raven, tho I grew up playing skyrim. So Soule's music is comfort to me

noble verge
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I also grew up with Soule, and not just in TES

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Dungeon Siege, Neverwinter Nights, Total Annihilation, off the top of my head.

feral viper
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TA is is best work. TES lacks the same gravitas in comparison

dim reef
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I'm personally a much bigger fan of Inon Zur's work than Soule so i don't mind if he's helming ES6's score

gloomy kraken
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I hope for Brad Derrick

feral viper
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Some dig up Johann Sebastian Bach

ebon elbow
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Where is ESO chat

stark flower
ebon elbow
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Thank you but i prefer discord. More fluid. Is there an official eso discord?

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I found it

stark flower
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oops wrong link

ebon elbow
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Oh

stark flower
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There is one, but it is mostly read-only. The only ones that can chat are guild leaders invited for a summit earlier this year. https://discord.gg/B2HA6DKV

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Huh, guess it won't let me link it. You found it though.

ebon elbow
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Yes

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Its indeed mostly read, not much convo and discussion

stark flower
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Yeah, I would love for there to be a more public chat. Maybe in the future.

misty hill
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I have a question for you skyrim peeps what is the best armor set in Ae version? Since in normal skyrim it was dragonbone or stalhrim

jade plover
feral viper
winter sleet
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I’ve been struggling to understand what to do in both Morrowind and Oblivion. Like, I play a lot of Skyrim and I know what to do the general idea what level I can be to enter a dungeon, alongside understanding where to go and what to do and when to do it. But Morrowind and oblivion seem so confusing. Anyone have any tips on how to like. Play it right? I always like to have a plan/agenda when I play games. On what to do and when.

eager remnant
feral viper
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Oblivion also generally levels with you. So for the most part, you can do whatever, whenever, without a lot of consequences.

Morrowind is a little more vague. But as a general rule, West and South are lower level areas. North and East are higher level areas. And inside the Ghostfence is the highest level.

winter sleet
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Alr, thanks guys

feral viper
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Morrowind also level gates portions of the faction quests, so joining them is a good idea. They'll tell you when you need to level more.

noble forge
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Anyone on PS5 who can join me in ESO? Currently in Auridon trying to kill the Oskana world boss

eager remnant
jade plover
jade plover
tame matrix
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Also humans and elves have almost the same skeletons

feral viper
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Elven skulls would be different. Either they have heavier cranial development, or they have stronger uscle attachments

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They are also narrower.

feral viper
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Elven Skulls either have a highly defined supraorbital process, or they have a defined structure similar to a sagittal crest.

On top of that, they have more pronounced zygomatic bones, a longer face in general.

So their skulls should be visually distinct.

midnight stag
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What if Todd Howard is just trying to save face and not telling us anything about es6 and just releases it by shadow drop out of nowhere in 2026 and it completely breaks everyone even if it’s right after GTA 6 that would be a real shame for everyone that loves elder scrolls in general

pulsar root
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He said GTA 6 will come out before ES6. Thats clear cut.

dim reef
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Imagine it drops the very next day GTA 6 does AdoringFan

eager remnant
pulsar root
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Same

feral viper
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GTA will remain off my radar entirely, until Rockstar gets rid of RAGE.

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That Engine infuriates me, to the point where it describes how I feel while trying to even control my character using it.

dim reef
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I think TES VI is 2028

feral viper
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It'll be set to release on Oct 24, 2077

pulsar root
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  1. 2026 is the sad little dork in me trying to grasp onto Elder Scroll Hopium
feral viper
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Oct 23 2077 is when the bombs fell in Fallout. That was the joke

last dew
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I wish Bethesda would take notes (like a lot of notes) from FudgeMuppet's idea of Elder Scrolls 6: Dominion, a six hour lore video about FudgeMuppet's ideal Elder Scrolls 6 game set in Hammerfell and High Rock.

pulsar root
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Only one Province is needed. Not two.

last dew
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Because personally, I would want Elder Scrolls 6 to be treated as a sequel to Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim and to have the story of the Thalmor concluded.

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I rather have it set with two provinces specifically Hammerfell and High Rock. Why do you think it's too much to ask? Aside from creation engine reasons, I don't see why not.

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And no, it doesn't need to be like Starfield. Don't need a thousand planets.

pulsar root
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Because one Province is enough for the amount of content a typical ES game gives. Two would just be splitting the amount of detail and content between the two. There is no need to change the formula. It wouldn't be worth the effort to make two provinces.

last dew
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Even after about 14 years and more since Skyrim came out for Elder Scrolls 6 to be something bigger than the previous Elder Scrolls game, can't we have more content and compelling story of the political turmoil of Hammerfell and High Rock with various warring factions and potential story arcs involving the antagonistic Thalmor? Where's the fun in that?

pulsar root
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You don't need two provinces to deal with the Thalmor and there comes a point where only a moderate size increase is necessary we don't need to bloat the ES6 budget.

feral viper
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I want the Thalmor around for at least another 4 games.

last dew
last dew
feral viper
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That is how time works, yes.

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But I think the world, games and setting have only benefitted from the Dominion, and by extension, the Thalmor.

The lack of a single monolithic political power dominating the world has created a lot of new avenues for stories and characters, that simply wouldn't exist otherwise.

last dew
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I'd be 60 years old playing on an 10th elder scrolls game just to finally defeat the Thalmor. We are humans, not high elves. Our life span at our highest is in history is 122 years in real life.

clever turtle
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Hey I've got a little problem... I can't sign up to Bethesda.net.

harsh crown
clever turtle
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I just want to add one creation Khajiit

last dew
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Don't mistake my disagreement to be not wanting Elder Scrolls games after 6. I just want the conclusion of the Fourth Era of the Thalmor to end in a conclusion and a new age to dawn for future Elder Scrolls games. Maybe the Aspect of Talos from Morrowind might be on to something about a change in something in Tamriel, maybe break a cycle of empires. And yes, change is never pretty.

feral viper
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The Thalmor won't end in Hammerfell or Highrock. So they're basically a write-off if the end of the Dominion is your goal..

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You'd have to take the problem to Summerset.

And a two province game is a bad enough idea. A three province one is a disaster from beginning to end.

harsh crown
# clever turtle Nah I don't. It just says something went wrong

Have you by chance tried the account recovery options? As in recovering your UserID and/or Password? Many times I've seen instances such as this where an account may be forgotten because it has not been used in a while. Other times I've seen cases where someone has what is called a "Quick Account" meaning they previously logged into a Bethesda game, and the account verification/completion process was not completed, so you may have an account, but just not be aware of it (this is actually pretty common).

last dew
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Even 10 year live service stuff is a red flag for video games in general. Not trying to change the subject though given Elder Scrolls are usually single player RPG games. I hope you know what I'm trying to say.

feral viper
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Oh, I'm fully understanding of my own mortality.

I just don't saddle my own fulfillment to something else in another's control.

It matters not to me if I ever see the end of the Dominion Story. I'll play games until either games are done away with, or i am.

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Resolutions are irrelevant. Everything carries on past us in the end.

last dew
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Well, I commend you on your commitment to video games.

primal torrent
feral viper
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More my commitment to escapism.

last dew
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But at the same time, it's kinda health concerning, but it's none of my business anyway. I'm not one to judge. You do you man.

feral viper
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I also have zero confidence in Bethesdas agility to resolve the story in a satisfactory way, so putting off the disappointment is better than accepting it.

clever turtle
feral viper
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Though, I also wouldn't endorse going to Hammerfell OR Highrock next anyway.

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Because I'm bored to tears of Humans.

livid ingot
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I'd love to visit one of the two betmer provinces, just because they're such a huge opportunity for them to be unique and alien.

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Khajiit can see in the dark for example. So you could have a full-fledged nocturnal society where most people sleep through the day, and the markets happen at dusk and the partying happens around dawn. It would really throw off foreigners. 😂

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And since Argonians can breath underwater, there's huge scope to make Black Marsh a really vertical map, since some villages might be completely submerged and you might miss them if you were to just water-walk across the province

winter sleet
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Is there anyway to make Oblivion Remastered run better? Like not completely consume my pc's resources like a cosmic vortex of eternal destruction?

livid ingot
winter sleet
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unrelated question, is Elder Scrolls Online still good in 2025? I wanna get into it but I see the negative reviews (Thought outweighed by the positive ones) say stuff like "The game is losing it's player base" and it makes me worry if Ill have enough time to enjoy it before the game fades into obscurity.

eager remnant
hollow sky
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you heard it here first folks, TESVI 6/6/26
Do I have any evidence to this claim? No
Am I coping? Yes
Am I going to look like a fool when TGA comes and goes with no word of TESVI? almost definitely

but I'm shooting my shot for the slimmest of chances that I look like a prophet

pulsar root
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Only if you promise not to rage. 😉

hollow sky
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I'll calmly open myself up to the firing squad when I'm shown to be delusional

jade plover
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About the statue for TGA. People found out its from divinity

dim reef
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Even so it's still active and definitely isn't going anywhere yet

dim reef
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There's scuffy monetization even there because just buying the base game ain't enough. You gotta pay for the subscription or the collection packs to get all the chapters

gloomy kraken
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Isn't paying for dlc normal?

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Oh nvm I can't read we talking about stuff like vampirism being in the store

dim reef
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If it was new I'd understand but these are nearly decade old dlc at this point. SWTOR for example permanently gives you all the expansions if you subscribe just once

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There's also Fallout 76 which just has all the expansions free

jade plover
feral viper
gloomy kraken
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Do you guys think we get to actually see daedric princes in tes6?

feral viper
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Absolutely

gloomy kraken
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I hope they keep molag bal hot and not oblivion ugly variant

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My biggest fear fr fr

dim reef
hushed coyote
gloomy kraken
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They shouldn't have made him hot then

hushed coyote
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What game is he “hot” then?

gloomy kraken
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Skyrim statue thingy is hot and ESO

hushed coyote
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If you say so.

jade plover
gloomy kraken
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I do 🥰

dim reef
# jade plover You can buy them

Yeah except not all of them are part of the same collection pack. So you need like 3 different ones to get all the content

jade plover
slow loom
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It reminds me too much of the sims dlc problem.

jade plover
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You can also buy them for gold from another players

dim reef
hushed coyote
gloomy kraken
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I stopped buying sims dlc after they did the star wars poopoo pack

dim reef
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SWTOR like i said gives you every expansion till date if you subscribe just once. No need to keep it up

slow loom
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Look at Where Winds Meet and you might understand the problem.

hushed coyote
jade plover
dim reef
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It's just goofy charging 15$ for nearly decade old expansions

dim reef
gloomy kraken
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I mean people pay 7 dollars for one time use coffee so

hushed coyote
dim reef
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God i hate Kotor 2's writing

hushed coyote
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The Alliance stuff was meh too

dim reef
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Nah i loved all that. The only part i found meh was the mandalorian arc that's currently going on

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But eitherway enough of that. Back to ES.

hushed coyote
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Shame the game awards statue isn’t elder scrolls related

dim reef
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I'd say that one was kinda obvious. Todd just recently said the game's still a ways off

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I'd reckon we'll see something next year

hushed coyote
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People are saying 2027 based on a level up notification in the Skyrim on switch 2 trailer

dim reef
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Really? Where?

feral viper
hushed coyote
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It is oddly specific.

feral viper
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Unless someone can recreate it, I would be highly skeptical of that image in general.

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Because, like... Increasing speech to 27, and it contributing to the progress from level 19 to 20, is not in any way remarkable

hushed coyote
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It is a screenshot from their official video

feral viper
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Oh, well, that's a bit different

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I had obviously not seen the video, since it's Nintendo.