elder-scrolls-general-chat

[primal olive]

I'm autistic and diabetic I already feel isolated from the world at times.

[feral viper]

Hot take, Spears aren't actually that useful in the contexts PCs engage with in TES.

[nimble pond]

The true bane of the Snow Elves🪦

Idk man. I'm a lazy fighter and sticking/knockback my opponent (or sometimes throwing) from a distance without having to be bothered with blocking sounds pretty sweet to me

[primal olive]

WHOOPS lol anyways spears are fetching cool and swords are bland

love me some spears and polearms

they should've been a skill tree, with spears doing anti armor, or halberds doing bleed, and a third one maybe the glaives doing crit

[primal olive]

spears aren't lazy, they're effective, that's why most irl cultures used them

[nimble pond]

Not the spears, me. I can be lazy with them

[primal olive]

I love spears they're pretty weapons

no wonder the snow prince chose one

wait my favorite astartes are the blood angels, who lost their leader, I might just like the underdogs and tragic ones

[small sage]

the snow prince is my favorite falmer

he alone caused the nords to respect him as a worthy opponent.

the nords even gave them their funeral rites on him, because he was considered such a worthy opponent, the only thing they didnt do was encase him in stahlrim, which is tradditionally meant for their own dead.

imo it is better to face your death on the battlefield against your enemy then it is to cower and flee for survival

a hero dies once, a coward, thousands of time.

[primal olive]

I read that story yea

I might not like what the Atmorans did but at least they paid him honor

[small sage]

thats the problem, the elves attacked with overwhelming numbers and killed everyone they could

and when the same thing happened to them, demanded mercy from their foes.

[primal olive]

that's the problem, you believe what's most likely human propaganda written by people who don't like elves lol

[small sage]

history is written by the victors

[primal olive]

the biggest empire in tamriel and it struggles against the companions? that doesn't seem very warring to me, and we know they were devoted to their religion fervently

[small sage]

I think the elves wanted the eye of magnus

[primal olive]

by all means it was likely a form of religious act trying to get the eye of magnus

[small sage]

and when they couldnt do it, attacked and slaughtered and couldnt find it

[primal olive]

Nords said no, they had an artifact of their enemy's god? why would they do willingly give it

[small sage]

elves brought upon their own fate

[primal olive]

then Atmorans came back with bloodthirsty genocidal intent, and butchered and invaded and colonized the lands

[small sage]

and what about the elves in cyrodill?

[primal olive]

all while screaming that it was theirs in the first place

[small sage]

the elves in cyrodiil werent kind and benevolent.

[primal olive]

Ayleids have no relation to what the Falmer do

Atmorans didn't know about Ayleids yet most likely lol

the nedic slaves that rebelled were justified however

[small sage]

actually the first empire was founded by atmorans and nedic humans.

[primal olive]

which was after the snow elf genocide yes

"oh crap our other humans are fighting elves too let's go kill more elves"

[small sage]

if your family was killed by a force and you had the chance to get payback, you are telling me you wouldnt?

[primal olive]

I'm not saying revenge wasn't warranted I'm saying wholesale genocide is wrong

[small sage]

genocide is wrong no matter which side

[primal olive]

I'm not denying that

[small sage]

it's one of the arguments I have in world of darkness, werewolf the apocalypse. Genocide benefits no one but evil.

the snow elves may have not been as evil as the atmorans made them out to be

way I see, both sides of a war have their reasons. there is buttheads on both sides

[primal olive]

when I say what ysgramor did was wrong I mean leading his people to slaughter and massacre, and conquer, and doing horrid things to them all while glorifying these acts, even lightly saying how they ripped out elven tongues

using slave labour to build your capital

[small sage]

I agree

wholeheartedly

[primal olive]

my truest issue is with how the players so easily glorify this massacre and say the elves deserved it, that the Altmer will deserve it, this leads to a toxic and cruel mentality

like how Black Templar fans in 40k operate

[small sage]

way I see it, evil begets evil

[pulsar root]

Not mch you can do other then call them out. I've seen people act like Tyrants didn't nothing wrong(Separate fantasy series) so ...not shocked.

[primal olive]

real

ultimately I hope we do see more snow elves one day, a broken society hiding, with unique stories that could come from it

imagine being a snow elf remnant who leaves their secure mountain home, entering the imperial city, having learned of the cruelty of the Nords to your people, only to see humans and mer living together, trading, loving

this would create an interesting thing I think

[small sage]

it would

I have no personal beef with the snow elves. Infact I think they are neat. I just wish everyone wouldnt glorify them that their attack on the atmorans was justified and well worth slaughtering men women and children

[primal olive]

and with the way they set it up it's definitely possible for small enclaves to yet live

[small sage]

when it was infact evil being evil

[primal olive]

exactly, it was wrong of them no matter how important they felt it

what could've caused them to kill the people they once lived amongst? who they welcomed to their shores when they were but immigrants?

[small sage]

I could see them justifying it because the eye of magnus is too much power in anyone's hands

[primal olive]

that's why I think it a religious matter, since they were fervent followers of Auri-El, and their religion associates the light of Magnus with Auri-El instead

[primal olive]

the way the Falmer wrote and the way Gelebor talks, they don't strike me as a violent people so I could see this being possible

I have a theory for a similar situation I can't say

[small sage]

if you want to tell me your theory you can dm me it

I would love to hear it

[pulsar root]

only criticism I have for them is the name "Snow elves" doesn't do it for me. I like their look and history(Well whats left of them >.>) thats it.

[small sage]

I like their look and history but what I really dislike about them is that they were so desperate to survive that they willingly became tortured monsters to do so.

[primal olive]

we could turn it into Falmer again if we call the others Betrayed as Gelebor does

I usually do that but people don't understand it sometimes

[small sage]

I understand it

and I do call the monsters the betrayed

[primal olive]

I wonder if the mods think about why I never shut up about the falmer

[eager remnant]

We have far more important things to think about. 🙂

[primal olive]

that's true lol keep doing good things all y'all 🙏

[primal olive]

for a snow elf build should I do 2h (spears) 1h maces, bows and magic?

[robust temple]

@BethesdaSupport Can you help me find out how to enroll in Beta Testing for Elder Scrolls 6? And what they plan on opening up that option?

[feral viper]

Like my constant bashing.

https://tenor.com/view/cackling-evil-laugh-witch-creeping-gif-5632950

[peak turret]

Hi folks... I'm super new to eso and something has confused me..
So I started a character a while ago and I woke up in like a temple/library, lots of green about and fought some skeletons.. after a while there was a big crystal in a room surrounded by portals.. these portals took you to starting areas.

Well, I started another character yesterday and I didn't get that.. I started in a cold cave dungeon where some woman body swapped with the prophet.

My question is, did I dream up the first bit or has the beginning changed somehow?

Basically am I going mad?

Is this the correct chat for the eldar scrolls online?

[feral viper]

I don't recall such a room. Maybe it was another MMO? As far as I remember, it's always been the Cold harbour start

[stark flower]

We do not have an ESO channel here. We prefer players go to our ESO Forums for ESO discussions. If you need an invitation to the Forums, you can get one here. (Please keep in mind the ticket system is down currently for maintenance, so you may need to wait a couple hours from the time I'm typing this)

[primal olive]

this is ESO but they changed the tutorial and removed the old one, the original one is the coldharbour one you're doing

only telling you here so you avoid confusion but yeah technically forums or guild discords

[short relic]

[feral viper]

Many people know.

They work for Bethesda, and are not allowed to say. So the rest of us are in the dark.

[midnight stag]

Thanks

[midnight stag]

How likely is it that es6 will be mentioned and maybe a trailer or gameplay at Xbox and Bethesda showcase June 10th 2025 I know how much Bethesda likes to grandstand alone on games

[livid ingot]

Not likely

[fossil cedar]

oblivion remake?

[stark flower]

We do not have any official information on this, therefore we are not discussing any rumors of a remake per the #rules

[feral viper]

I'd say the odds are somewhere between 0%, and 100%

[pulsar root]

I doubt ES6 will be heard at all this year, at the minimum. And I'm not being cynical here. I just don't see it.

[feral viper]

I wouldn't really want to, either.

A showing this year would mean one of two things. Either they are confident of a release soon, and are ready to show it, or they're showing a much earlier product that's nowhere near ready.

In the former case, such a thing would significantly diminish my confidence in TES6s quality. There's a LOT of things I think need to be addressed, and being ready to proceed with a close launch this soon would suggest that none of its been done.

In the latter case, releasing material too early smacks of desperation and poor PR management, giving far too long for speculation and the Hype/Hate train to get rolling, resulting in unreasonable expectations.

Due to that, I'm more than happy to let them cook. Take the time to do it right, and don't worry too much about placating the masses who want SOME scrap to cling to.

If the product is good, it'll stand on its own merits. So take the time to make it good.

[primal olive]

????

ignoring that bot, the next game should tone down elf xenophobia and make the games less man centric

[feral viper]

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[primal olive]

yeah

Bethesda is really good at justifying unnecessary elf hate it feels like

[feral viper]

It's not just Bethesda. There seems to be an industry wide hateon for Elves.

BioWare, Games Workshop, Blizzard, WotC... It seems like we've gone from 'Our elves are different' meaning they're edgy or dark, to meaning Tolkien.

The degree of the meme whiplash is actually kinda hilarious when you think about it

Back in my day, if you wanted non-Tolkien Elves, you had to watch Bakski, or read Elf Quest.

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-statler-and-waldorf-grumpy-harumph-laughing-gif-22038880

[pulsar root]

The only elf hate I saw was the Thalmor and thats for the most part justified. I can only speak for Blizzard but in that case its mostly just different types of elves. Anything else I can't speak to,(Not a fan of Warhammer 40k and probably never will).

Sorry for the ramble.

[feral viper]

My child, I am in this channel.

You should never feel the need to apologise for rambling, when I am around.

I might as well be a Led Zeppelin song.

[primal olive]

the issue is that basic Nord fans start the black Templar issue roping entire races into their hate

stereotypes and such

[feral viper]

The only thing the Black Templar hate, is the Codex Astartes.

[primal olive]

I meant the fans

[feral viper]

And Xenos. Heretics. Rowboat. Tacco Tuesday. Indoor speaking voices...

[primal olive]

the Black Templars themselves are a bit basic but the fans are so toxic you'd die without a hazmat suit

[feral viper]

NOT being on Crusade...

[primal olive]

love me Dunmer love me Falmer

treating canon like how DND does helps I think, a baseline you can alter as much as you want

[feral viper]

Ffffffffffff

I just snapped the flag off the top of Skabarus...

[primal olive]

ouch

[feral viper]

Stupid spindly piece of plastic...

Plus side, it's an undead Skaven ship, so it if glues on crooked it'll be fiiiine.

[primal olive]

skaven yes-yes

[feral viper]

Finally decided to paint my Dreadfleet

[primal olive]

the devs after not adding spears (a creation club will let some goblin use them with animations)

[stark cipher]

Oblivion remake has more of a shot making an entrance then TES 6 just an fyi and yes while it may suck it’s just giving us fans something to hold us off keep in mind their using a different engine for this game

[feral viper]

Squatting in the corner at a classy party is also a way to make an entrance.

[stark cipher]

What ever that means

[feral viper]

It means I'd rather take a crap at a party than an Oblivion remake.

[stark cipher]

👍 anyway

[pulsar root]

All Im gonna say is if the remake is not real. ....A lot of websites got some "OOOPS WE WERE WRONG" to do.

[feral viper]

Take accountability for getting something wrong?

Sir, this is Video Game Journalism.

[stark cipher]

It won’t a lot of people are dissing oblivion remake but are the same people buying there games anyway we won’t see elder scrolls 6 till maybe next year or years from now man

[feral viper]

You just throw slop at the wall and take credit for the hit, no matter how many misses there are

[stark cipher]

It would be nice to have it but unfortunately oblivion remake has been wanted for years people are not caring for elder scrolls 6 because it’s far out to even care for it there’s been rumors and leaks for oblivion remake coming out soon

[stark flower]

We've been over this about the remake subject. There is nothing official on this therefore there is nothing to discuss regarding a potential remake on this server. There are plenty of other places to discuss this.

[stark cipher]

That’s what’s I’m saying 🤷🏽‍♂️

[feral viper]

Why anyone would remake Oblivion anyway is beyond me. If you're going to remake something, remake a good game, like Morrowind, not Bethesda's worst game...

Or Redguard. Expose more people to the brilliance that is Cyrus.

[stark cipher]

No comment I’ll get crucified if I said anything about such so I’m just gonna talk about how good the old version is which is oblivion has always been a fan favorite then Skyrim and it’s been proven

[feral viper]

And sometimes, fans are wrong.

In fact, if Star Wars is anything to go by, Fans are often wrong.

[stark cipher]

And it’s the same reason they remade Skyrim like 7 times 😂

[feral viper]

Skyrim was never remade. It was re-released.

Occasionally with rather sub-optimal visual updates.

[stark cipher]

You see people say that but some would say other wise

Compare original Skyrim to the updated version then you’ll see what I mean

[feral viper]

Some people say Romeo and Juliet is a love story. In fact, MOST people would.

That doesn't make them right.

[stark cipher]

But it’s a matter of opinion my guy it’s All the same 💯🤳🏽

You think oblivion being remastered is terrible then that’s fine what ever floats you’re boat

[feral viper]

I also think Oblivion being released was terrible to begin with. Two wrongs don't make a right, soo...

[stark cipher]

You’re being passive aggressive and it’s getting you no where that’s you’re opinion again you hate it that much take it up with the devs my guy dont know what to tell you but if you wanna get technical oblivion is a fan favorite for most google it 🙏

[feral viper]

Oh, there's nothing passive about this aggression.

I am fully aware of the general opinion of Oblivion. And it's popularity is what I credit with ensuring the slow death of TES as a setting.

[stark cipher]

Yeah but you’re making it seem the developers were unsuccessful with the release of the game when they were? Other wise there wouldn’t be talks about (such and such happening) Skyrim was released a lot of times to the point where it got played out don’t you think it’s time for a change or would you rather get another release of Skyrim again for the 100th time?

[feral viper]

Oh no, they were immensely successful. But that doesn't mean I remotely respect Oblivion as a product.

Any more than I respect a Tarantino film.

[stark cipher]

What’s there to not respect about a clean game that had a (small group devs working on it at the time)

[feral viper]

I mean, hell, Pumpkin Spice Lattes are hugely successful. They still terrible.

[stark cipher]

You’re just tossing analogy out there and it’s not making any sense man…

[feral viper]

The total lack of artistic creativity, the terrible stories, the middling gameplay, the atrocious level design, the lack of interesting lore?

If I get into details about everything Oblivion did that was bad, I'd very quickly run into problems with the discord rules.

About the only thing it did well, was remove dice-roll combat. Though that's since become irrelevant, because what improvements Oblivion did have in that regard, Skyrim already did much better

[stark cipher]

Fair but they were such a small development team you can’t judge that… they grew as developers I won’t accept that respectfully

[feral viper]

Morrowind was smaller. Redguard was smaller. Battlespire was smaller.

[stark cipher]

Games in general go thru stages you are aware of that right?

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-annoyed-gif-21561340

I have been gaming since the late 80s. Yes. I am aware.

[stark cipher]

Then you should know better to not criticize a game where it’s an era you come from and came a long way till now…

[feral viper]

Oh, these aren't new criticisms. They're the same ones I had in 2006. I've NEVER liked Oblivion.

And the positive reception to it only cemented my even-them rather jaded opinion that gamers in general have terrible taste.

[stark cipher]

Well heres shocker mr president I like both games both Skyrim and oblivion were successful but the focus was to much on Skyrim and that’s a fact I would like to see a change and besides who’s to say they’ll make oblivion better in the future?…

[feral viper]

They'd have to entirely rebuild it from the ground up. Story, worldbuilding, and all.

I mean, just in terms of raw mechanics, Oblivion was terrible. It's leveling system was designed in such a way that it actively penalised you for sticking to your class, and gave you diminishing returns on Attribute points if you didn't invest in Misc skills.

[stark cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thank-you-sir-aww-thanks-gif-7826538383492806977

This is fan base we’re talking about man you can’t sit there and hold a coffee and sit there and say it tastes terrible when you bought it to begin with and have a line behind you interested in that coffee ☕️ at that point you’re holding up the line

You’ll be back for it I’m sure

[feral viper]

People complain about Skyrim's Jack of All Trades stuff, but Oblivion actively punished you for NOT being a Jack of All Trades.

[feral viper]

Oblivion? Not likely. The only game I'd be less likely to touch again, is New Vegas.

TES? Eeeh... That depends on TES6.

I don't give a rats ass about the setting anymore, but the games still have mechanical value for the RPG genre.

So unless they REALLY drop the ball, yeah, I'll probably play TES6.

[stark cipher]

See now if I said new Vegas was more successful the fallout 3 you’d probably disagree because you have to be diversed right?

[feral viper]

Well, no, I'd disagree because it's factually wrong.

Fallout 3 has sold more copies than New Vegas, and is more successful.

New Vegas is more popular in a large portion of the fanbase, yes, but again... I have zero respect for fanbases.

But this isn't the channel, nor the Discord, for me to rip New Vegas a new one.

[stark cipher]

Every game is respectfully successful in their way and that’s fair im not gonna judge that’s not me

[feral viper]

My point being, Oblivion is the one time that Bethesda took a major step backwards in almost every way. And it's continued popularity is more a negative reflection on consumers than it is an endearing praise of Oblivion it's self.

[stark cipher]

They needed a change it’s what the fans wanted who’s to say 🤷🏽‍♂️

[feral viper]

Will I get TES6? Probably. I mean, I got Avowed, and that was shiver Obsidian.

Unless Bethesda really screws up, the game will still have some value for the genre. If for no reason than Bethesda's history of trying new things.

[stark cipher]

The devs came a long way despite what people think of them and their games

[feral viper]

Imma wait for CP to chime in, don't want to run too far ahead while they're trying to type.

[noble verge]

I'd like to see a remake of Oblivion, whether official or a fanmade conversion mod, because I'd like to see another go at the game without the glaring teething troubles that the game suffered from.

[stark cipher]

I agree it’s what every fan wants

[feral viper]

Careful with those Every's

[noble verge]

It was the first TES game to introduce radiant AI and more intricate character customization than a few face/hair combinations, but it wasn't until later games when Beth really got the hang of it.

Hence the potato faces.

[stark cipher]

Of course we knew the minor details that were missing but they learned and grew and made games better

[feral viper]

Even then, they still haven't really figured out the Radian AI.

A large part of that problem stems from the fact that there's no background system to sustain it.

[stark cipher]

Yeah until Skyrim came and that flopped alil

[noble verge]

The level up system sucked, but most of that was inherited from Morrowind and implemented into an even less forgiving system.

[stark cipher]

Yes

[feral viper]

Even as it stands, Radian AI has always needed a functional economic system to sustain it on the back end. So it was either cut it back significantly, or invest a huge amount of extra work creating systems that player would never even engage with anyway.

[stark cipher]

If you think about Skyrim was no different the world felt empty now there’s fishing and you can build hearth homes and actually have things for use in the game Skyrim wasn’t any different

[feral viper]

Skyrim has never felt empty to me.

Oblivion, on the other hand, felt like a Disney theme park.

[stark cipher]

Their learning to fix these things as years go on who’s to say morrow wind won’t get a remaster? They go based off on what fans want I’ve took notice of that

[feral viper]

And sometimes it's a terrible idea.

Case and point, Starfield's dialogue system.

[stark cipher]

Let’s keep this about elder scrolls we don’t wanna get crucified

[noble verge]

Morrowind was in a weird situation where buying your levels resulted in a much more optimal character than actually using your skills to level them up.

[stark cipher]

Yeah that was tough

[feral viper]

It's a direct reaction to the fan backpack over Fallout 4s system (which was fantastic, just poorly used). So they went with a frankly atrocious blend of Skyrim and Oblivion's dialogue system.

And it's an absolute abomination.

They should go back to Fallout 4s approach for TES6, just use it smarter and don't burden it with so many unnecessary limitations just for the sake of mimicking BioWare.

[stark cipher]

I mean all their games have had similar dialogue why was it a shock when you seen it on starfield?

[stark cipher]

Okay now you got my attention the only game to have voice over dialogue was pretty rad not gonna lie ive always wondered about that

[feral viper]

Because A: they HAD improved on the format with Fallout 4.

And B: the system in Starfield was a combination of the worst aspects of everything that came before.

[stark cipher]

You can’t compare that tho I know it’s hard not to but common 😂😂🤷🏽‍♂️

[noble verge]

I think one of my biggest gripes with both Morrowind and Oblivion was the fact that the per-level HP gain from Endurance was not retroactive as you raised it.

[stark cipher]

There was only so much you can do with a small team man back then

[feral viper]

That's really only a problem because the HP and Damage dynamic in TES has been so... Barely functional for so long.

But my battery is low and going over just why combat systems in TES are so bad and outdated is not within the power budget for tonight.

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[pulsar root]

Oblivion's level scaling(the enemies mostly) is what bugged me the most.

[noble verge]

No arguments here. Oblivion greatly overused the level scaling mechanic to the point of being ridiculous.

[stark cipher]

Agreed

[noble verge]

Looking back, though, it's kinda funny seeing Bethesda's attempts in TES III: Tribunal to implement mechanics that'd later appear in future games. Like they tried to give Gedna Revel more HP, Magicka, and Stamina per character level but they flubbed the script which gave her 800 HP per player level instead. Or when they tried to give Golena Sadri replenishing ammunition and ended up making her corpse a source of endless arrows.

[livid ingot]

Level scaling wasn't the biggest issue with Oblivion. The melee combat formula was arguably bugged.

This basically makes it so only magic is ever worth really using in Oblivion.

That's part of why combat was bad. You do so little damage, everything just becomes a massive damage sponge

Unless you're blasting everything with powerful crafted spells

[pulsar root]

Level scaling did that. I don't know what others saw but melee worked fine for me.

[feral viper]

Well, that... And the fact that you could just run backwards to stay put of melee range while swinging your sword. And the fact that since there was literally no trade off or commitment to magic what so ever, you could easily throw spells without even putting your weapon away. And the fact that the enemy AI was so basic it would just blindly charge right at you. And the fact that...

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[livid ingot]

I think level scaling was more a problem with people leveling with useless combat skills and getting trapped against enemies way stronger than them.
Unarmed enemies (like Clannfear, Ogres, etc) still did tremendous damage because they weren't using the weapon formula that players were restricted to. If the player is missing any stamina at all they're already losing damage output from the number their skill would otherwise indicate

[feral viper]

Ultimately, though, you could fix all of Oblivion's many, many mechanical problems, and it'd still be Oblivion.

Which is not an endorsement from me.

Though, I suppose it would be playable, at least. Even if it was as interesting as a bowl of plain rice.

[livid ingot]

I still think you're way overstating this "lack of a downside" for magic. These games let you pause as much as you like to devour 18 wheels of cheese in the middle of combat so you desire. Is it really some tactical decision what to equip in your hands when you can pause, equip and unequip, and then re-enter the fight at every little whim?
This is more a factor for a game like Monster Hunter or Dark Souls or something. Not TES.
It's more like there isn't much of a upside for using weapons, other than Stamina is an infinite free resource I guess.

[feral viper]

There's never been MUCH trade off, that's true. But Oblivion has none at all.

You don't even need to put your weapon away like you did in Morrowind.

That said, combat, and combat adjacent activities, have always been passable at best in Bethesda games.

Though that's definitely slipping, based on Starfield. So some serious reconsideration is going to be necessary for TES6...

[pulsar root]

Requipping a spell and requipping a weapon isn't that tactical IMO. Often it becomes tedious and if you wanna meld in melee damage and spell damage the gameplay gets annoying(Well more so in Skyrim)

[feral viper]

Skyrim doesn't exactly do it well either, that's true.

[primal olive]

I want combat to be more like ESO

[nimble pond]

Here's a different take, eliminating player level and letting things revolve around skill levels as you raise them to be more efficient in that skill. Seems like a more free system to me.

[primal olive]

even if we can't play them I wanna see a snow elf library with their literature and unique spin on aldmeric language

[feral viper]

I actually agree. Though I'm biased, as my first RPGs didn't use Levels at all.

[feral viper]

The primary issue, mechanically, is how to deliver non-linear progreasion options withour the clear threshold that levels offer. Unless you're constantly going into your character menu to assign skill points on a skill by skill basis.

[stark cipher]

Elders scrolls oblivion was removed from the Xbox Microsoft store makes you wonder why good thing I bought it tho

[nimble pond]

Crumbs

[midnight stag]

I hope es6 comes to my Xbox series x/s to be honest I bought because of how the hype was for Bethesda and games and why am I the only one on today hope they roll out a new trailer soon

[feral viper]

The release console will likely depend on when. It gets announced, and the state of the console industry at the time.

As with most things, you're better off just getting a PC, to cover your bases.

There's nothing quite like running OG Doom in a browser window while minin Bitcoin in the background and listening to both YouTube and Spotify at the same time.

Checkmate Consoles.

[nimble pond]

I think they're (well.. Xbox at least) are gradually trying to be more capable like PCs, but then again, what's the point when you can just buy a controller to use on your PC instead of KnM for gaming?

Not to mention the rise of Cloud gaming..

Anyway, would it be OP if you could just take all the Daedra Princes powers? Like their full power.

[plucky topaz]

Can y’all imagine how BANGIN’ TES6 will look?

[feral viper]

I mean, it depends on what you want to do with it.

[feral viper]

I do not know what 'bangin' means. But I suspect it will look like pretty much every other Bethesda game for the last 2 decades.

[timid drum]

Bangin means awesome/amazing

[feral viper]

Back in my day, we called that sweet, leet, or awesome sauce.

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-dana-carvey-back-in-my-day-angry-gif-16063472

[timid drum]

Awesome sauce was my childhood favorite
As well as tarter sauce

[feral viper]

I skipped Tartar Sauce. I went straight from not knowing what profanity was, to swearing like a sailor.

[timid drum]

Lol fair fair

[next girder]

How would you rank the Elder Scrolls races?

[wide garnet]

I’m going to mention something from my Dragon Age: The Lost Scrolls fanfiction that I put in there just because the idea was funny:

After one crazy adventure through time and space (Back to the Dragon War), Maxwell (my Inquisitor) and Matthias (my Dragonborn) come back with a Dwemer Lexicon containing notes on how Alteration could be used to alter living beings. This leads to one Thalmor Agent (undercover) getting transformed from a male elf mage into a female Argonian shamaness.

I was going to have that Briala (is that the Dunmer mage who turned everything around the PC green, then turned them into a dog, then cow, then horse?) is the one responsible, but I don’t know if I got any of that right. Did I?

[midnight stag]

You know they can release es6 in 2026 and release it in the same year and get dlc for it within a year I hope not but they might announce something this year in the showcase and release it in the next showcase

[pulsar root]

Wishful thinking.

[feral viper]

Dunmer: the only ones with decently developed lore.
Everything else
Bretons: the blandest, most uninspired cereal box race
Bosmer: the worst waste of potential and lore I actively hate.

[tardy tiger]

define ranking?

Like best written or something else?

Writing wise like Dunmer are the best while Imperials are the worst.

Dark Elves had the effort for TES3 and is still clearly loved by TES devs.

Imperials are still generic blank slates who probably should not have been added to the series in Redguard.

[wide garnet]

I’m sharing an Idea of mine for something I’m working on: a sand-swimming Dov (like Diablos from Monster Hunter, but with the ability to use the Thu’um) that’s a “relic from the Dragon War” (but I don’t want to spoil everything) is attacking Hammerfell, and the only clue to defeating it lies in seven ancient Dwemer ruins.

[nimble pond]

Mudcrabs #1
Crab Ppl 💯

[wide garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-people-south-park-gif-25989008

[midnight stag]

Played elder scrolls since oblivion loved it still can’t get the next game after 14 years really annoying so now I’m about 30years old come on Bethesda

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-child-my-sweet-summer-child-old-nan-game-of-thrones-gif-5580217

[bleak silo]

Dreughs?!?!

[primal olive]

Dunmer > Altmer > Khajiit > Argonians > Orsimer > Imperials > Bretons > Redguard > Bosmer > Animals > Goblins > Nords

[pulsar root]

Humans>Mer>the rest

[primal olive]

human propaganda after murdering elves

[pulsar root]

Naw

[primal olive]

Nords to the snow elves, Nords tried to the chimer, and the dwemer, Alessians to the Ayleids, some Bretons to the Direnni at one point

[pulsar root]

I don't really think one horrible moment in history defines a race but if we're going to he honest the Ayleids did slavery.

[midnight stag]

Is it possible for Bethesda to have a separate showcase at a different time this year than June

[feral viper]

Alas, Beth and ZOS have pretty much stripped the Dreugh of Peopledom

[primal olive]

so did the Nords but no one mentions that lol

[nimble pond]

Damn. Really wanted crab claws for melee too!

[wide garnet]

Maybe we can. They can be a craft-able, enchant-able, enhance-able weapon, like the fist weapons are.

[feral viper]

I'm sure Monster Hunter's already done it.

[primal olive]

I don't care who the simperials send I am not calling him akatosh

[midnight stag]

There might be a different showcase on a different date for Bethesda games and es6 after June showcase if they don’t say much of anything there

[feral viper]

Or... And bear with me for a moment...

There might be no showcase, because they aren't ready to show anything.

[timid drum]

Yeah agreed, don't get your hopes high. This is Bethesda we're talking about

[feral viper]

Besides, the longer they cook, the less likely it is to be half baked.

Or in the case of Bethesda, 'Not raw'

[pulsar root]

I am not expecting anything about ES6. Not really a cynical take.

[timid drum]

Agreed, just gotta enjoy the games we got from em and wait

[stuck minnow]

The elder scrolls is ONE of the BEST franchises in the UNIVERSE, make an elder scrolls tactical rpg, an elder scrolls MOBA, and an elder scrolls real time strategy game, this is what we need todd

[feral viper]

I think that's a bold statement, given the limited sample size we have.

It's entirely reasonable to assume that other intelligent life exists. And if it exists, it's also reasonable to assume they have developed analogous forms of entertainment.

Therefore, in the scope of the universe, it's highly unlikely that TES rates anywhere nearly the top. Especially given it's mid-to-upper rating on this single rock ball orbiting a mid-age yellow sun.

[primal olive]

Elder Scrolls needs to be made more like Warhammer

[pulsar root]

No, warhammer can keep its edgyness in its own corner.

[primal olive]

not the grim dark stuff duh

I meant books, more out of game stuff

[pulsar root]

Thats fair(er) but I don't want BGS to rely on books for lore.

[feral viper]

Cyrus should be the Gotrek of TES.

[primal olive]

PLEASE

[feral viper]

Though, id also go so far as to say that Warhammer as a setting is better than TES in basically every way, so...

I say, as I sit here, painting Chaos Possessed...

I did pick up some of the official Skyrim Civil War miniature STLs though... I should print off some Legion.

Which is still wild to me, even after printing for 2 years. I can turn some mildly toxic grey sludge into a highly detailed, solid miniature in only a few hours...

It's like sorcery.

[timid drum]

thats pretty cool tho tbh, and I'd like to request to see the finish products

[feral viper]

When I get around to it, sure.

[timid drum]

Awesome sauce

[feral viper]

Depending on the scale, I may use them as Cities of Sigmar units...

[primal olive]

me and my friends alternate Tamriel is coming along swell

[feral viper]

Is it one where the Elves win, and the filthy round ears are put in their place?

[feral viper]

Oh Ynnead's balls, now even YouTube ads are trying to pull me back in... I haven't gotten an ESO ad in literal years.

[stable zodiac]

That's because you've been watching some oblivion videos today. Curious.

[feral viper]

Actually, no. I saw those images AFTER I got the ad.

I shant say more on the subject as there is no official announcement, and as such as far as I am concerned, they are fake until demonstrated otherwise.

I have, however, had 3 seperate people try to get me to come back to various TES communities over the last week.

Two to ESO, and a third to a lore discord I left when I decided I didn't care for the setting anymore.

And now, the almighty Algorithm is even testing me.

[proud harbor]

Bethesda, hire Nightdive to remaster Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind. Please!

[stuck minnow]

oblivion remastered is HYPE >:o

[harsh crown]

Do you have an official source for this?

[keen axle]

Theres no official source, but the leaked images came straight from the virtuous website, the company rumored to have been developing it. So as far as a leak goes, thats pretty much a hands down confirmation.

[keen axle]

I love the thalmor!

[harsh crown]

If there is no official source, we ask that others refrain from further discussion, as it could potentially lead to Conspiracy Theories and/or Misinformation, which are both against the #rules.

[keen axle]

If deliberate or malicious, yes. Talking about a confirmed leak does not fall under that description.

[harsh crown]

Bottom line is this, there are no official sources to back this claim, therefor it is nothing more than speculation and rumors.

[primal olive]

it's one where Lost races are returned due to the grief of Ithelia overwhelming her, influencing the fate of it to never be

as such The Falmer, Ayleid, even small pockets of dwemer remain, but Nirn in turn is drastically different

like much more Trinimac Orsimer due to the influence of Falmereth religion, Skyrim is split in half between the two races, even the imperials are more broken with Nibenese tribes and a Mangrove, Jungle and Marsh Cyrodiil

Bravil is still absolutely rubbish and filled with drug trade

of course there's more unique changes we wanted to add

for example we have Black Marsh more broken, into islands partially, with Necromantic Hist trees dotting it

[feral viper]

IF real, the trend is for a rapid official announcement soon after such a leak. And IF that happens, there will be plenty of time to talk abont it after it's official.

[feral viper]

Besides, it gives me some time to properly structure my thoughts, as so to not draw on Sauron... I mean the mods eye.

Because boy... Do I have thoughts.

[night violet]

I really want a bounty board in TES VI like the mission boards in Starfield. I want to pick up a bunch of jobs and go exploring to claim those bounties. I always disliked how limited the bounty jobs in Skyrim are. And the companions radiant missions is only one at a time, which means you just leave and come back all the time.

[timid drum]

There is a skyrim mod where you do get a mission board :p

[night violet]

Is it on Xbox?

[timid drum]

I have it on pc :p

But i'd have to look and see if its on Xbox as well

[night violet]

I was playing a Mando style character in Skyrim.

Wear a helmet at all times. Cannot remove it.
Magic is banned.
Must level all weapon skills to 100
Cannot fast travel with the exception of finishing the companion quest line to access unlimited radiant missions.

[feral viper]

I think Bounty and Misson boards could be great in a setting like TES, to serve as a platform for more Radiant Quest generation and minor activities.

The problem is, the game needs to be built from the ground up with all intended missions in mind. Otherwise you're just going to end up with Starfield's Freestar Rangers garbage.

[late spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-evil-evil-smile-big-smile-fake-smile-gif-10706970141610221313

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[late spindle]

Looks like we’re not allowed to discuss the Virtuos Oblivion Remaster leaks here

Now I am very sad

[stark flower]

It is part of the #rules not to discuss rumors or leaks.

[feral viper]

Officially, they haven't given anyone the greenlight for anything.

It hasn't been announced yet. Plain and simple.

[late spindle]

Haha okay bud

[feral viper]

Not my rules, those are Bethesda's Discord rules.

If it's not official, it doesn't exist, and we don't talk about it. Plain and simple.

[late spindle]

Plain and simple.

[feral viper]

If (or when) it gets announced, officially, there will be plenty of grounds to talk about it.

[late spindle]

Yup, agreed.

Plain and simple.

[feral viper]

And plenty of grounds for me to sharpen my pitch fork and light torches for my one-man riot.

[late spindle]

Gonna need lots of plain pitchforks and lots of simple torches on that day my good man

[feral viper]

It has been a good few weeks since I went on a 'Oblivion is bad' tirade, the pitchforks are getting kinda dull.

I'm like a one-man-band of angry medieval peasants.

Also...

[feral viper]

You aren't ChilledChaos are you?

[late spindle]

No sir

[feral viper]

Ok, cool

[keen axle]

Yes, I don't remember the mod name but yes it is

[late spindle]

What did they do @feral viper

[keen axle]

I had it, there's 2 of them. One is a mini bounty board and one is a larger board for longer quests.

[feral viper]

Oh, nothing. They're a YouTuber who is known for their Mario hat and handlebar moustache

[trail thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-gif-24433592

[glass marlin]

Something I'm hoping for in ES6 is that they bring back the Hand-to-Hand skill and make it not suck.

[night violet]

Yeah...they had skills for it in Starfield and it sucks

[livid ingot]

Imagine a hand-to-hand skill and being able to, through a perk tree, specialize in different styles

[marble jewel]

we aren’t allowed to talk about it are we

Nvm

[feral viper]

Melee in general in Starfield.

[harsh crown]

#starfield-chat 😎

[feral viper]

Fair fair, I should have been more specific.

Even with perks that make melee viable in Starfield, it's mechanically just... Really, really bad.

Given the greater melee focus of TES, a lot of work is going to need to go into making melee combat PLAY well. Even before you consider perks and skill trees.

[night violet]

Yeah unless TES VI is going to be the TES they add guns into base game and make melee weak to encourage the gun play

I mean stealth archer is busted in Skyrim lol

I really want magic to be stronger in TES VI.

It's hard to play a mage on higher difficulties. I played a frost/shock mage on expert and the beginning was miserable lol. It wasn't until I got the stagger perk that I started really having fun with it

Also, more bound weapon types. I want a bound great sword as an option lol

[livid ingot]

Magic used to be a lot stronger. Oblivion's magic was pretty OP once you unlocked spellcrafting.

We used to have bound weapons of all types too. Just one of those features that was scaled back for Skyrim

[timid lynx]

Oblivion was just the better game

and i played skyrim first so that says something

[tardy tiger]

Magic i find was more spell crafting which is really just a balance issue. And Oblivion's scaling isn't good.

[noble verge]

I want an Elsweyr game that goes full Jade Empire with regard to hand-to-hand combat, since martial arts have been propped up as a big element of Khajiit society.

[primal olive]

Skyrim SE has missive board mods lol which is pleasant not having to join the companions, I hate Ysgramor and refuse to assist his dogs

[feral viper]

Hard disagree.

So hard, in fact, if we were married id file for divorce due to irreconcilable differences.

[timid drum]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion :/

[placid stone]

I think most people tend to like their first TES game the most. Not all, but most I believe. They're all great games, and I have my preferences too, but I still play all of them regularly.

I technically played Morrowind first, but it was at a friend's house, and we took turns playing. Oblivion was the first one that I actually owned myself, so it's technically my first. I then went back and played Arena and Daggerfall(loved them both) and then Skyrim came out. Over the years I've played Morrowind a few times as well. I've put more time into Skyrim than all of them combined, but I think that's just because of the modding scene.

[feral viper]

I am an outlier in that regard. Daggerfall was my first TES. I like it, but it's not my favourite.

I hated Morrowind on release. It was such a huge departure from what Daggerfall and been, I literally put it down for months and walked away. I ended up picking it up again because friends were praising it, and over time fell in love. It's not only my favourite TES, but one of my favourite games.

Hated Oblivion in release. Still hatE Oblivion to this day.

Skyrim I enjoyed on release, but was generally lukewarm about on the whole. I've grown more find of it over time, largely because of the mechanical value of its admittedly poorly utilised ideas, and it's now second only to Morrowind.

[livid ingot]

Oblivion was my first. Still my favorite. Also the game I put the most time into.

Funny if I had known about Morrowind I could have played it around it's release, but I was an RTS gamer for the most part at that time

[wide garnet]

For anyone who’d like to take part in this, I’d like some help with something. Nothing too fancy, but I’d like some “faction reactions” for my Dragon Age: The Lost Scrolls fanfiction. Here’s what I’d like some reactions to:

Maxwell: “Corypheus claims that he’s a Priest of Dumat, one of the seven priests that breached the Fade in ancient times, if you believe the fairy tale told by the Chantry (||https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Corypheus||).

Matthias: If you want a Nord translation, it basically means he and six others invaded Aetherius in an attempt to conquer Sovngarde and were twisted into monsters as part of their failures.

Maxwell: He’s back and he’s going to attempt it again, because he claims he saw “the Throne of the Gods” and “It was empty”.

Matthias: Translation, he fancies himself a “New-Age Talos” and intends to usurp Akatosh’s throne for himself.

Maxwell: I know this because I traveled a year into the future and saw what happens if he succeeds.

Matthias: Green sky; mountains and broken statues hovering in midair; Dovah and demons everywhere; the end of all hope… forever. But because he returned with such knowledge, Maxwell gave us the greatest advantage of all: we now know what the Dark Talos intends to do next: Assassinate Emperor Mede and Empress Celine, and march an army of demons across Thedas and Mundus.

What I’d like are some responses from: the Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion, the Empire of Cyrodiil, the Synod, the Stormcloaks, and any others who would take an interest in this.

[pulsar root]

I don't believe I caught onto the level scaling(Oblivion) when I first played it. As an adult its gotten more obvious.

[feral viper]

I'll get back to you in a DM, because it's likely to be wordy.

[keen axle]

Im excited to see what bethesda does with their future elder scrolls games

Now that they have vehicles set up in their engine specifically

Ships and wagons doing their own thing

[feral viper]

I am less excited. Interested, surely, but not excited.

[feral viper]

More specifically, I don't see Starfield's ship or vehicle mechanics being useful in a medieval fantasy setting. Sailing ships and wagons simply don't behave like that.

Nor do they get built in anything approaching a similar way. Starfield's shipbuilding has more value to building structures in TES than it does to any vehicles.

[magic dew]

How am I gonna get a hot Maormer wife then?

[feral viper]

Just gonna have to wait for one to wash ashore.

[noble verge]

Unless we get Sunbirds and Mananaut void ships, I doubt Starfield's ship mechanics will translate directly into TES. But I do think it potentially lays the groundwork for a sailing and naval combat system.

Being able to pilot a vehicle with a different control scheme than being on foot, and being able engage in combat against other vehicles is a huge step forward from the days of Broken Steel's underground train ride.

[nimble pond]

First Argonian to walk on the moon

[feral viper]

Which moon?

[feral viper]

If it translates, yes. But it remains to be seen in that regard.

We can have hope though.

[wide garnet]

Masses, Secunda (did I get that name right?), or maybe the “third one”?

[feral viper]

I was gonna say Phoebe... But Mars blew it up.

Then I was gonna say Deimos. But Earth blew THAT up.

[midnight stag]

Es6 do you think that they’ll give us a new playable race

[feral viper]

Unlikely.

[nimble pond]

The only moon that matters ofc, the Hist Moon. Made entirely of glowing Hist Sap.

[feral viper]

https://static.wikitide.net/1d6chanwiki/thumb/a/a2/Warhammer_Moons.png/500px-Warhammer_Moons.png

[stark cipher]

Same people talking crap about a game are the same people buying 👋…

[timid drum]

yup

[stark cipher]

Can never put two and two together claiming it’s bad and that you’re not interested but low key gonna give it a try make that make sense 😂🤳🏽👨🏽‍🦯

[timid drum]

[feral viper]

I don't have a problem there. Because I can practically guarantee you I will not be buying the game you are talking about.

But that is maybe a problem for next week.

[stark cipher]

It was and still is I agree I don’t listen to critics that play reskins after reskins for Skyrim and got nothing major out of it

[feral viper]

So I'm going to try to be constructive to earn some good will before the executable floodgates of scathing criticism open.

[feral viper]

I think, in regards to sailing, one thing that Bethesda is really going to have to reckon with if it wants to actually stick the landing, is PROPER integration with the open world.

Starfield compartmentalized cells to... Well, absolutely terrible effect. Space Combat takes place in what is effectively a closed off arcade arena entirely detached from every other part of the game.

You simply can't do that with Sailing Ships while maintaining an open world feel. I mean, you couldn't with space ships either, hence why Starfield doesn't feel like an open world, nor does it feel as large as Skyrim or even Fallout 4, despite objectively being many orders of magnitudes larger...

So what they need to do is actually make that vehicle interaction PART of the wider world, rather than an entirely seperate mini-game with no seamless integration to the wider range of interactions.

[nimble pond]

The mods be watchin' moon 😅

https://gifdb.com/images/high/alice-in-wonderland-creshire-cat-moon-l9x29tjkd08l4969.gif

[timid lynx]

Thats what im saying. The people who dont like oblivion or cant recognize its grandeur are the same people who will praise Todd Howard for every re-re-release of skyrim.

no hate to those people of course. Play what ya wanna play. Thats the beauty of video games. We all get an opinion 😄

[stark cipher]

Yeah I wouldn’t consider hating I would just be blunt I’ve also seen some people beg for a Morrowind remake but the community for that game is small compared to oblivion and the people been wanting a remake for oblivion for decades

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-hate-ihateeverthing-pissed-im-gif-18676416

[timid lynx]

Im ngl tho, if bethesda did ever remake morrowind

id throw my money at them.

[stark cipher]

I’ve never played Morrowind but I’ve seen game play and it’s not my thing but I do understand the lore alil

[timid lynx]

I like the area more than anything.

[feral viper]

Weird enough, I was listening to an Esoterica lecture today about the Dead Sea Scrolls which emphasised my general disdain for Remasters and Remake, through the lens of historical scribal reproduction.

[timid lynx]

Give me an updated vvardenfell and modern mechanics and damn id be so happy.

[feral viper]

The time and effort to create a copy, and to create something new, are about the same. So if your scribal (development) tradition is focused on one thing, you sacrifice the other.

[timid lynx]

Entire industries exist based on copying other people's work though.

Its great to create something new. Its also great to recreate something that was once amazing and make it (potentially) better.

[feral viper]

And those industries are creative parasites with no artistic value.

[timid lynx]

Not everything in life needs to be artistic.

We invented the photo copier for a reason. To copy other people's work.

[stark cipher]

I just hope the alchemist system stays the same for the oblivion remastered cuz Skyrim had you pausing at POIs just to make a potion and potion making In oblivion is busted meaning good

[timid lynx]

Potion making and spell making need to stay the same.

[feral viper]

Not being artistic, in an artistic medium, is an absolute waste of... Well, everything.

[stark cipher]

For oblivion yes

[feral viper]

There is no Remaster. Not until there is an official announcement.

[stark cipher]

Yeah true but Bethesda is not making this game tho

[timid lynx]

In many ways I do agree. But would you not argue that to take something old and revitalizing it can not be seen as artistic? The Japanese have an entire art form about recreating old and broken things and making them more beautiful than they ever were before.

[stark cipher]

It’s why nothing was confirmed

[stark cipher]

Yeah that’s fair

[timid lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-war-in-ba-sing-se-dai-li-agent-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-gif-16455523

[feral viper]

As for whether or not those systems are good...

Alchemy in general is, well, a thing that exists. It's functional, but not actually good.

Spell crafting, on the other hand, is a mechanical, lore, and visual design travesty. Beyond the basic IDEA, it's an absolutely garbage tackon in both Morrowind and Oblivion.

[timid lynx]

There is no oblivion remake in the Official Bethesda Discord server

Oh I dont like you.

[feral viper]

Why would there be a channel for a game that has not been announced, and may not even exist?

[timid lynx]

The spell making was by far my favorite part of skyrim.

[stark cipher]

Yeah and again Bethesda has not confirmed because there not making it it’s a different company

[timid lynx]

There isnt.

[stark cipher]

Which was shadow dropped

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/missthepoint-the-point-gif-7984004

[timid lynx]

Virtuos, if they were going to make an oblivion remake would almost certainly have some sort of bethesda/microsoft oversight going on.

[stark cipher]

Yes and no

[feral viper]

Look, I'm trying to keep you guys out of trouble. Drop the Remaster talk, before the mods drop it for you..

[timid lynx]

Do you really think microsoft would allow a company free reign of its IP?

That seems... optimistic.

[stark cipher]

Bethesda can literally choose not to publish it and just let them publish on their own

There to focus on other things rn

[timid lynx]

But also terical is correct. If u wanna talk about any hypothetical remakes hmu in dms

[feral viper]

When and IF there is an official announcement, then you can talk about it. Until such a time, there is no Remaster, plain and simple.

The channel has rules, and even I try to stay within them.

[timid lynx]

I respect you looking out for us.

[feral viper]

Gotta balance the karma for ripping Oblivion a new one on a regular basis.

[timid lynx]

Oblivion was so good though 😦

And im not even going on rose colored lenses. I played oblivion after I played skyrim.

[stark cipher]

It was and is on so many levels

[feral viper]

I would go so far as to say Oblivion was a legitimately bad game from end to end.

[timid lynx]

It was janky and buggy and broken, but goddamn it just had a vibe about it that I can't replicate with anything else.

Wow, ngl terical u are genuinely one of the first people I've heard say that legitimately.

[feral viper]

But WHY, will have to wait, as it is 11pm and I have work in the morning.

[timid lynx]

To each their own though, I enjoy all TES games in some way.

[feral viper]

Wait till you hear my opinion on New Vegas.

[stark cipher]

He thinks Skyrim is better because of performance…

[timid lynx]

I dont want to. I can accept the hatred for oblivion. I won't stand for any new Vegas hate

[stark cipher]

New Vegas was plain better

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[timid lynx]

tbf it does perform better. But the storyline in skyrim was so garbage

[stark cipher]

To an extent

[timid lynx]

The side quests were where it was at in skyrim.

[feral viper]

Maybe tomorrow I'll catch a window when the mods aren't looking to go into why Oblivion is bad.

[stark cipher]

Yeah side quests were good

[timid lynx]

Perhaps I'll be around to listen. Who knows.

[feral viper]

It usually skirts the line of the channels rules about bashing.

[timid lynx]

I have to respect ur opinions on oblivion. I like alot of stuff most gamers did not.

Like ac shadows and starfield.

And far cry 6.

[stark cipher]

I keep saying oblivion at the time had a small Group working on it so it’s unfair to criticize it and compare it to Skyrim

[feral viper]

Well, maybe I'll be able to convince you of my position.

Hell, I managed to convince people on the Forums about why Light Medium Heavy Armour divisions are actively detrimental and counterproductive, so every once in awhile I change minds.

But, for now...

[timid lynx]

Id be happy to listen to the points you make. But making me dislike a video game I enjoy very much is gonna be difficult.

[stark cipher]

Exactly

[timid lynx]

Who knows, maybe ur a magic worker lol

[feral viper]

Oh, don't get me wrong, there's a difference between HATING a game, and recognising it's bad.

[timid lynx]

I will admit

[feral viper]

I love Master of Orion 3. That doesn't make it a good game

[timid lynx]

Oblivion is, was, and forever will be a flawed game. It was by no means perfect.

[feral viper]

Anyway

[timid lynx]

Sleep well terical

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-simpsons-bush-bushes-hermit-gif-5786484

[stark cipher]

What he said

[eager remnant]

Oblivion is estimated to have been developed by approximately 70 employees. Skyrim is estimated to have been developed by approximately 100 employees.

[stark cipher]

You proved my point I just didn’t bother going specifically on the information

There was differences between how many people were working on the game that’s what I was describing

[primal olive]

I'm not really a fan of oblivion tbh

[eager remnant]

I have learned to enjoy it with the help of a boatload of gameplay-changing mods.

[primal olive]

sadly I'm on Xbox, and my hyperfixation is not really anywhere involved with imperials or sheogorath

[wide garnet]

@feral viper good night.

[wide garnet]

See you then.

[noble verge]

Fortunately, Bethesda has already delved a bit into the mechanics of integrating vehicles into the open world, first with Fallout 4 and 76's Power Armor, then much later with Starfield's rovers.

[nimble pond]

Levitate myself

https://media.tenor.com/9BI1PxWBN_EAAAAM/asr-oscar.gif

[tardy tiger]

I find Oblivions quests were fine (people really focus on side quests or the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild). Just the game world and world building really let it down as it really doesn't feel like the Heartland of an Empire or that you're in an Empire at all.

[noble verge]

The Ultimate Heist felt like playing a mission of Thief: The Dark Project.

[low stream]

Isn’t there an elder scroll pts??

[feral viper]

Indeed. Work has been done, but we're still a long ways off from Sailing.

Is it possible? Sure.

[feral viper]

I mean, considering both were made at a time when development studios were pushing 500-1000 people, the difference between 70 and 100 is barely a rounding error.

Even Fallout 4 was made by a remarkably small team for it's day, with the 'Small foreign developer' CDPR having 4x the team to make Wild Hunt that Bethesda had for FO4.

Bethesda is a remarkably small studio for the sorts of games it makes. So it's only reasonable to apply the same concessions to ALL it's games, rather than cherry picking which ones you want it to apply to

[feral viper]

I've been over it before, but the only positive thing I have to say about Oblivion's quests is, they were decently paced.

Otherwise, they were plothole ridden nonsensical messes of barely strung together trope references that actively collapse under their own absurdity if you engage more than 3 brain cells.

[stark cipher]

Yeah but you’re now being a hypocrite because before you said that wasn’t an excuse and that shouldn’t be the reason your an attention seeker and have to be the center of attention rant over

[feral viper]

If the excuse applies to all the games they make, it cannot be used when comparing their games.

ALL of Bethesda's Games are made by remarkably small teams. Therefore, X was made by a small team isn't really an excuse when you compare it to Y and Z.

It'd like being at the Paralympics, and saying X only lost because he had one leg. But all the competitors were single leg amputees.

It's not an excuse when everyone has the same limitation.

[low stream]

Does anyone know if there is one?

[royal ember]

What is a pts?

[gloomy anchor]

Public test server.

[royal ember]

Oh for ESO?

[gloomy anchor]

I do not know if they is what they mean, but if so, then yes there is a pts

[royal ember]

Man, I'm all over this discord these days lol

[low stream]

Where is it cause I don’t see it and I got feed back idea

[gloomy anchor]

Ah, there is not an eso chat for discord. They usually use the forums. If you have feedback you can leave it there or make a ticket with support. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories for the forums (although you will need an invite if you do not have one) or https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/home/category/861 for a ticket

[primal olive]

why is serana so bleeding whiny

"ugh do we have to do ALL that?" lazy vampire I will kill you

[timid drum]

Aye I don't like Serana in the slighest

[primal olive]

echoes of the vale adds a spear you can't take <\3

[primal olive]

she's really complainy, like if I saw the last person of their kind I wouldn't go "ugh do we really"

[timid drum]

Yup

[feral viper]

It's Laura Bailey. I can't NOT like her.

[timid drum]

Fair enough

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ummm-gif-3583606504686686081

[midnight stag]

Are you a moderator or administrator

[feral viper]

I am beyond Mod.

I am a Grognard! My complaints are limitless!

[midnight stag]

So you’re just a troll

[feral viper]

No, trolls complain for the sake of complaining.

My complaints are targeted and extensively thought out, with the express purpose of hopefully leading to improvements.

[midnight stag]

Then why at me

[feral viper]

Because your general activity is almost always to simply ask for, or speculate, on announcement dates. Which you have been told repeatedly not to do.

We will get word, when we get word.

[midnight stag]

By who

[feral viper]

Multiple mods. To the point, if you'll notice, you don't even get reprimands anymore, they just remove the offending comment.

Learn to be patient, and don't constantly ask for or speculate on information you already know we don't have.

[spare plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-lurker-shy-hiding-tree-gif-15734280

Yes anything not officially announced by us is considered a Rumor and is against #rules

[midnight stag]

Was that towards me

[spare plaza]

towards the chat in general, if I wanted it directed, I would have called it out

[glass marlin]

Side note, pandas are cute.

[primal olive]

who

the voice actor is fine I guess but I don't like the characters she plays (serana, Isobel)

[feral viper]

Laura Bailey, one of the highest profile voice actresses going. Also known for voicing Jaina Proudmore, the English Catherine, MJ, etc. as well as Critical Role.

As far as female voice actors, she's probably second only to Jennifer Hale.

[primal olive]

whomst

MJ? Mary Jane from the movies??

[feral viper]

No, in the Insomniac games

[feral viper]

Her voice just tickles the dimetrodon part of my brain.

On the whole though, I do think TES is generally weak on characters.

[eager remnant]

I first became aware of Laura Bailey through Blood Rayne. I played almost nothing else she's been in until Skyrim (research for this post, however, reveals that I must have heard her work in WoW and New Vegas without realizing it). I'm one of the few people on planet earth who enjoy Serana and do not think she is "whiny".

[wide garnet]

Nah, those are the internet trolls.

[feral viper]

I view her more as Cautious.

I'm also generally more positive about the character, as she's one of the better ones in the franchise. Especially the core games.

[feral viper]

Well, if the shoe fits, I guess

[bitter kestrel]

Be nice to each other please 🗞️

[nimble pond]

Yes, please?

https://media.tenor.com/23ngZCF9rwwAAAAM/naughty-spank.gif

[gloomy anchor]

[nimble pond]

Please be nice to me Prince Peryite! Been sick over a week, does it ever stop coming out? 🤧

[feral viper]

You have transitioned from Peyrite, to Nurgle.

[fierce olive]

What did I just walk into?

[feral viper]

I believe it is a Discord Channel. Though technically you logged into it, not walked

Look, if I didn't have bad jokes, I wouldn't have any jokes at all

[fierce olive]

I'm a smart butt, too, I get it

I ran into that one

[stable zodiac]

You walked into, remember?

[fierce olive]

...quiet you xD

[primal olive]

another day of reminding people Atmorans and early Nords are absolutely foul and evil

the death of king borgas is for celebration tbh love me bosmer

[flint flicker]

The mer deserve everything they get. As do all of Anu-iels' spawn.

[fringe raft]

I walked in here, saw this discussion and immediately decided I should go back to sleep. I love you all, you strange beings. ❤️

[flint flicker]

😂goodnight

[rotund oxide]

You mean they were enslaved. As in slaves not the slavers. Ancient Nedes ring any bells?

[primal olive]

no LOL I meant slavers, Nords canonically enslaved Falmer and used them to build Windhelm, Atmorans not Nedes

[rotund oxide]

I don't believe you for one. Two of they did, falmer don't exactly strike me as the peaceful type. If you are talking about the Nordic genocide of the snow elves then I'd point you to the dwemer and sarthal

Besides I'm pretty sure every single race in elder scrolls have committed terrible acts against another throughout tamrielic history. Even the historically abused argonians committed slaughter of dark elves. Again, one would point to their enslavement as cause, but that just seems to be par for the course in elder scrolls

Oop no look at that. I stand corrected @primal olive I apologize

[primal olive]

falmer were definitely more of a peaceful race if we look at what stuff we know

[rotund oxide]

Like pre devolution?

[primal olive]

essentially really really really faithful to Auri-El, ignoring the smaller sects to the rest of their pantheon ofc

[primal olive]

correct I usually say Betrayed for the more goblin like victims of dwemer cruelty

[rotund oxide]

Oh yeah seem so. They must have panicked when they discovered the eye of Magnus was in the hands of men in sarthaal and lashed out

[flint flicker]

The atmorans did not enslave the falmer that was the dwemer.

The atmorans were slain in trust by the falmer during the night of tears while ysgramor was away in atmora trying to save survivors from their dying civilization.

The falmer were afraid of the rate of humans progress and reproduction and killed the atmoran elderly women and children that had arrived in the first voyage from atmora seeking refuge. Ysgramor then waged a war against the falmer, one which they lost. Then they fled to the dwemer who took them in on the condition they ate the glowing mushrooms wish blinded them and proceeded to turn them into slaves.

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Night_of_Tears#:~:text=One night%2C an invading force,as the Night of Tears.

[keen ridge]

I know this isn't the right channel, but I need real help. I'm desperate....I can't download Creation Club content on my Xbox. It always says "Connection to the Bethesda server failed." And when I try to link my Bethesda account to my Xbox via PC, it always says "Account linking failed." Please try again or contact customer support for further assistance.

[flint flicker]

Wouldn't know how to help you bud sorry

Suffice to say that all the hatred merfolk have garnered from the races of men have been justified by the actions mer take against men and argonians as well.

From the ayleid empire to all the way back to the murder of their progenitor Lorkhan, merfolk and their kin have done boundless harm to the races of men.

[keen ridge]

thanks i try this

[stark flower]

You likely don't need another account. To link/unlink you will need to contact support, they can help you figure out what is causing the issue, and unlink any accounts that may already be linked. Reach out to them here: https://help.bethesda.net/#en/home/product/711/cat/16/question/697/AccLink/stillneed/categorys/dontknow/unknownlink/stillneedhelp/Answer/submitticket

[feral viper]

's not how Evolution works. It's one-way, you can't de-evolve. You can sometimes re-express archaic traits, but you don't go backwards.

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-gif-19367699

[stark cipher]

Oblivion remastered confirmed!!

On twitter by Bethesda

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-fearsome-hiss-spit-fluff-gif-27025955

I suppose now we'll see if those images were legit. And then I will have... Shall we say, thoughts.

[viral sapphire]

Yeah I'm thinking they're legit. This announcement graphic has the same firey vibe.
https://bsky.app/profile/bethesda.net/post/3lndivt2yus2p

Bethesda (@bethesda.net)

Tomorrow, 11:00 am EST. twitch.tv/bethesda and youtube.com/live/Ed_E2cr...

Bluesky · Apr 21, 2025, 3:42 PM

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-26528408

I mean, they're technically well done. But somehow, they made Oblivion even MORE generic.

Which I suppose is an accomplishment in its own right...

[golden wind]

Leave it to TES fans to ruin a good thing. Just don’t play it and let those of us that will have fun

[feral viper]

Jokes on you. I stopped being a TES fan months ago. I'm more of a generalised Bethesda fan, at least as far as mechanics go.

The only reason I'm even here, is because I think Skyrim is the best foundation for a truely revolutionary RPG. If it was Fallout or Starfield, I'd be in those channels instead.

[golden wind]

I’m going to get to replay my favorite RPG of all time in modern graphics. I’m just a happy defensive man

[stark cipher]

Something is telling me we’re gonna get preorder details how ever it could be the end of this month… for release who knows

[feral viper]

And for me, Oblivion was the beginning of the death of TES as a setting, while also being mechanically the only game that was actually a step backwards.

It's just a bad game. Which is fine, anyone is entitled to liking what they like, and I have a few objectively bad games that I adore (for various reasons). But liking something doesn't make it good.

And Oblivion was never good.

Even ignoring the story and art direction, it was a major step backwards from Morrowind, and the few mechanical improvements it had amounted to little more than superficial window dressing.

The ultimate result being an overly linear, poorly balanced and mechanically superficial RPG.

It's not deep, it's not diverse, and it's barely even worth being called an RPG. It's really more of a Metroidvania in an RPG Trenchcoat.

[tawdry anvil]

I wouldn't say oblivion is a bad game, sure it's a step back from morrowind in many regards (relating to writing and worldbuilding) but I think that it's a good game in terms of being a fun sandbox to explore and do quests in

[half igloo]

playing as the Gray Fox is some of my favorite memories

the bodies i burried left the foundation for my characters in ESO

you keep wondering if theyll run out of NPCs to kill ... but no

[eager remnant]

My initial reaction to Oblivion back in 2006 was disgust and disappointment. It's the only BGS game that has ever made me rage quit. But nowadays, with a ton of gameplay-changing mods, I can manage to enjoy it.

[feral viper]

I can play it... If I mod it to the point of being unrecognizable

[spark hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-so-negative-negative-confront-chris-griffin-family-guy-gif-4611983537981600183

[plush island]

Chat when's the oblivion remake coming out

[rocky current]

Diabolical Behaviour

[tardy tiger]

I find Oblivion had good quests.

Just had an issue with the world. It really didn't want to be in Cyrodiil or in the "Empire".

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/society-michaelscott-the-office-theoffice-michael-scott-gif-5102234218035843417

[livid ingot]

Still an open question whether mods will work with this remaster or if the remaster itself will be moddable

[rocky current]

Oblivion introduced the majority of Elder Scrolls player base to the franchise, great game.

[livid ingot]

If not, I don't have that much interest in playing it anytime soon.

[feral viper]

And that's what has turned TES into the generic, pop-culture zeitgeist chasing mess it is now.

[rocky current]

What would you prefer, nobody to play it at all and probably not be here at all today?

[stable zodiac]

Skyrim has outsold all other TES games combined so I think that's a no

[bitter kestrel]

How about we dial it down chat

[pulsar root]

I pray to god that it does. Or else another scandal.

[livid ingot]

Seems very unlikely there will be new content either, at least upon release, so. shrug

[radiant moss]

in its and Bethesda's defense, the series had to expand. Bethesda was coming back from near-bankruptcy from before Morrowind.

I would love if Beth would revive the An Elder Scrolls Legend brand. Having a traditional-style RPG spinoff with the same gothic aesthetics Battlespire had would be really neat.

[rocky current]

Yes, because of the success of Oblivion and previous entries

[bitter kestrel]

Enough please

[livid ingot]

But I am glad it's getting attention. And we don't know anything about it yet, technically

[rocky current]

All I am saying, Oblivion is a great game, with great story and even better DLC

Except Horse Armor

[stable zodiac]

Agreed but Skyrim is the game that introduced TES to the majority of players. And I agree with you on Oblivion being a great game

[half igloo]

honestly, I vaguely remember much about the same aside from oblivion gates and the Thieves Guild\ Gray Fox

So it'll be nice to remember the game

[livid ingot]

That'll be partially solved in 24 hours

[feral viper]

No on all accounts. But if I go into detail, Louupy is going to come down on us, so I won't.

[half igloo]

oh yeah, this was horse armor one

[feral viper]

Prepare for $25 Horse Armour MTX

[half igloo]

Uncle Pete 💔

[livid ingot]

If they include new varieties of horse armor... instant buy from me ngl

[plush island]

So did the remake for oblivion get postponed to the 24th??

[feral viper]

And I joke about that as someone who thinks MTX are entirely fine as a practice, but the pricing models used by publishers are extortionist.

[half igloo]

we get a video and hopefully all the deets

[undone coyote]

Elder Scrolls IV? But we're waiting on VI. Bethesda is going the wrong way! 🤣

[livid ingot]

Well we'll get some of the deets I'm sure

[feral viper]

It's a nostalgia fueled remaster.

[livid ingot]

Hopefully the important ones

[undone coyote]

Boo. If we're going the "re" route, at least do it right with a remake instead of a remaster.

[feral viper]

That was more hostile than intended, let's try again...

[half igloo]

BGS has been cosplaying Andrew Garfield with all these denials

[tardy tiger]

Oblivion's a easy one to remaster. few settlements, no culture and a Demonic invasion.

[radiant moss]

we don't exactly know the limits of the "Remaster" to be fair to them. this is a perfect chance to right some wrongs in the game's design.

reminder that "remaster" defines as a general improvement to the original product (to sound quality in particular but that note aside...)

[undone coyote]

I didn't see it as hostile (towards me at least), and you were 100% correct.

[feral viper]

Because a remake of the sort of games Bethesda makes, requires as much effort as making an entirely new game, and doesn't have the same sort of return potential. It's not as viable a strategy, and far more dangerous.

[tardy tiger]

Most I see the remaster doing is fixing the scaling and game balance.

I don't see the Imperials being fixed since they're a lost cause now.

[livid ingot]

Yeah, I don't think there will be new content. At least not with the release. At the present moment this is speculation, though.

[feral viper]

The setting is a lost cause. Barring a major rewrite across 7/10 of its major races, there's really not a whole lot you can do to improve what's there in any meaningful way.

You'd basically have to Warhammer End Times the entire setting.

That said, there are some minor tweaks to Oblivion that I could see them doing.

Fixing level scaling (though not the flawed leveling system) yes. Bug fixes. Tweaking combat hitboxes so backpeddlinng isn't basically an auto-win. Etc.

Maybe fixing Durability so your weapons don't break three times in a single dungeon..

[half igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/136977516320522240/1363907897033101503/image.png?ex=6807bdb6&is=68066c36&hm=07efa960c2e511b365f11f2bcd112428f6f54a6c81d37ddcf707db07b06c58a3&

Dominos getting in on the oblivion action

[feral viper]

Ok, now there's a tangent..

For the Americans in here... Do you actually order from places like Domino's, Pizza Hut and Little Caesars?

[timid drum]

Yes

[feral viper]

Or do you mostly order from mom-and-pop pizzerias that only have one location?

[timid drum]

^
This one

[feral viper]

Man, that's wild to me...

[timid drum]

Americans are just special lol

[feral viper]

In almost 4 decades, I can count the number of times I've ordered from a chain pizza place on one hand.

[timid drum]

Fair enough
But we got some good locations for chain pizza so it's alright

[feral viper]

Could be that the Canadian equivalent locations are just terrible.

[timid drum]

Possibly

[feral viper]

And now, I want pizza...

[timid drum]

Same here, specifically haiwainn

[feral viper]

Pineapple belongs in Pizza

And that statement will probably tell people more about my madness than any amount of hatred towards Oblivion ever could

[radiant moss]

It depends on where you live and how close said locations are to you. We've got a Dominos, Caesars, a couple local brand chains (small ones), but no mom-and-pop in my area. If I go a city over (30+ mins) then I can find some mom-and-pop shops.

[timid drum]

Then we're on the same level on madness cause I completely agree pineapple belongs on pizza

[feral viper]

I'm in a city. A small one, it still technically a city. So that may explain it.

[timid drum]

Fair enough

[spark hornet]

I miss CiCis pizza 😔

[half igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGxYw-_ez8g

First, the Peasants

[feral viper]

Oh god, I forgot about that menu...

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[amber trellis]

Welp I was told by a buddy who works with a 3rd company press team there WOULD be an announcement today around noon. Just not the game drop. 🤷‍♂️

3rd Party advertising*

[feral viper]

So, there was an announcement that there would be an announcement tomorrow.

So they weren't entirely wrong..

[fierce olive]

ITS HAPPENING TOMORROW

[half igloo]

[fierce olive]

Look at the official TES Twitter account for clarification

[half igloo]

[fierce olive]

And in case a mod is gonna get on me, that's all I'll say on the matter

Good day

[feral viper]

Oh, they know, and have allowed some conversation about it.

Until I killed the discussion by being a Debbie Downer

[fierce olive]

Nah, it's not you, dw

Could be a shadow drop, could be a release trailer

Could be both

[half igloo]

[feral viper]

Oh no, I take full credit/responsibility, because my negativity was regarding the game entire, not the content of the announcement.

[fierce olive]

Ah

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ebenezer-scrooge-scrooge-bah-humbug-humbug-a-christmas-carol-gif-7181689321888623328

Oooh, to be back in the early forum days... Full of hope and optimism.

[jaunty oak]

Will the oblivion remake be on playstation?

[half igloo]

all guesswork at this point until the live stream

[plush island]

I need the remake NOW

[half igloo]

right meow

[feral viper]

I was going to correct the Remake-Remaster thing...

But honestly? We don't even know yet. So calling it one or the other is making unjustified assumptions on our part.

[pulsar root]

All I would say is... temper expectations. Don't expect the sky to drop hundreds of gold bars or something, tomorrow.

[feral viper]

My armour is contempt.
My shield is disgust.
My sword is hatred.

[half igloo]

very thoon

[feral viper]

Oh god dammit. NOW I get the joke

The Cult of Thoon is a mysterious possible god worshipped by a fringe group of Mindflayers who believe in the imminent downfall of all sentient races, and the rebirth of the Illithid Empire.

Like, 30 years I haven't made that connection...

[stark flower]

Reminder for everyone to please keep in mind that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and it is fine to disagree, but please remain respectful when doing so.

[stark cipher]

All he does spout negative stuff about your game and you delete my comment?

[feral viper]

I don't directly attack other people.

I also do occasionally have positive things to say..

[stark flower]

As I said, as long as people are remaining respectful, they have every right to discuss their opinion. If you would like to continue this discussion, I am happy to in @vast rain as per the #rules

[stark cipher]

Whole moral let people enjoy the game 👨🏽‍🦯🤳🏽🙏

[magic dew]

hihi
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745747764981268503/1363950447055868094/image.png?ex=6807e557&is=680693d7&hm=16a7c711a696104786abe85c525e29330bff932d9003495be14348178b93997f&

[primal olive]

ESO image whar

[feral viper]

I will say this... Oblivion had one of the better lockpicking minigames Bethesda has ever done. Second Best, in fact.

I think Starfield's is better, but not exactly applicable to a medieval fantasy setting. So Oblivion's is definitely the standard to beat, in that regard.

[primal olive]

eh it felt tedious

I think Skyrim had the 2nd best with starfield as best, I hope if the next game is oblivion it uses Skyrim's instead

otherwise I just won't lockpick lol

[radiant moss]

proof Daggerfall had it right all along, just bash the door/chest with a heavier sword

[primal olive]

brute force is for Nords who genocide monks no ty

[radiant moss]

i mean nothing's stopping you from casting a Dunmeri Tsar Firebomb on the box either 😛

[feral viper]

It definitely had it's shortcomings, but it wasn't easily exploitable or simple to just bypass. Which was a plus.

Its main problem was you had no real information on how difficult any individual part was ahead of time, and couldn't really plan ahead in anyway. So it was basically always trial and error.

Starfield improved on this by letting you see and interact with ALL the 'tumblers' and their difficulties right from the get go, letting you plan around them and actually engage more directly.

But, medieval fantasy also isn't working on a complex electronic lock system, so standard pins and tumblers are what you're going to be working with.

[livid ingot]

I liked all of Oblivion's minigames. Even the notorious pie wheel. That said the minigames made the skills completely useless and imo was the product of confused game design.

[primal olive]

for all I hate I give to the evil Nords I do think they had a good lock system

[feral viper]

Yeah, I think that's a deeper conceptual issue that would need to be addressed.

The minigames themselves aren't bad, but they way they interact with, or override, Character Skills, is..

Merging Skyrim's and Oblivion's, and Perk-Gating a detail view may be possible... But the question is, would that make it clunkier and more tedious, or more engaging?

It's something that would need to be tested to really determine...

[livid ingot]

There's potential there at least

It makes sense to attempt what they did, since this was the first time they tried to blend player skill with the skill system.

[pulsar root]

Nazeem vs Rolf of Windhelm, whos worse.

[livid ingot]

I don't remember Rolf that well, so Nazeem takes the crown

[timid drum]

I was just explaining Ralf .-.
But he's your typical 'Skyrim belongs to the Nords only ' kinda guy

[feral viper]

Windhelm is more of a dump than Bravil was, so I have never spent much time there. In over 1000 hours in Skyrim, I couldn't even tell you who Rolf is.

But by merit of being in Windhelm, I would say Rolf.

[pulsar root]

If Rolf was less of a meanie head I'd be sympathetic to him.

[timid drum]

Understandable

[half igloo]

ah, but have you been to the cloud district?

[primal olive]

thinking about snow elf shrines pre Nordic genocide

bruh what lol
is hotshot or disease censored

[primal olive]

hotshot vs morally a dingle disease haver

[sage sentinel]

Can't wait to Obliviate again!

[half igloo]

[low stream]

How do I register on forum.elderscrollonline??

It not letting me register and the sign in isn’t letting me reset my password

I can’t register or sign in which is weird

[topaz igloo]

Hopefully in the Oblivion remake/remaster, they retain this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UjTv8ivh7mY

[low stream]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-indeed-oblivion-indeed-gif-27376941

I do hope they keep the oblivion memes alive lol

Is there anybody I could talk to on here about the forum??

Like a mod or admin

[half igloo]

technically, ESO is handled by Zenimix Online's peeps, not BGS

they're likely to just send you there

discord. gg/elderscrollsonline

[sage sentinel]

I can't wait to see the mods for the remaster

[topaz igloo]

Shame that The Elder Scrolls Online doesn't have cross-play.

[spare plaza]

Sage is correct, here. mainly if it's about an appeal or action, you want to contact Customer Support through https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/home/category/16/question/751/forumquest/908

That Discord is mainly just for announcement

[low stream]

That didn’t have a chat for anything

[low stream]

I just want to login and use the forum

[spare plaza]

Do you have a forum account?

[low stream]

No

I try registering but it said I need a invite codes

[spare plaza]

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/home/category/16/question/751/forumquest/907 use that. if you can't get in, Click on still need assistance to place in a ticket. give as much information as possible to help out the staff

[low stream]

This didn’t help me it just more stuff in loops

And I already submitted a ticket but it taking a really long time for it to answer

[spare plaza]

If you already submitted a ticket, thats all you can do. It will get routed to the staff that can handle it.

[small sage]

so is this remaster for oblivion supposed to be real? I thought it was an april fools joke done late

[pulsar root]

You will know tomorrow(I don't want mods to punish me)

[spare plaza]

Only thing that has been announced is #elder-scrolls-announcements message

[low stream]

Ok :/

Thank you tho

[half igloo]

they've gone all Andrew Garfield with the denials

"I'm totally not in Spiderman"

[noble verge]

Really hoping that the Oblivion remaster is more than just a graphical improvement.

On the other hand, even if it is just a prettied-up TES IV with modern modding and PC support, that still might mean a new influx of mods to fix the game's underlying mechanical problems.

[primal olive]

I hope if it's oblivion we get

[nimble pond]

I wonder if the Empire will be any different in TESVI than it was in TESIV.

[glass marlin]

Hopefully it won't be in a sadder state than it was in TESV.

[tardy tiger]

It'll be in a vague state where we'll have no idea what they are. If they arn't destroyed so they don't have to touch Imperials ever again.

[pulsar root]

🥳

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-ginch-jim-carrey-christmas-gif-4849982

I will say though, it does look like Remaster may be misidentification. As there do seem to be some mechanical differences in combat at least.

[toxic flower]

Is it fun guys?

[brave blade]

Needing help, for the new remastered oblivion game it’s showing $10 for deluxe edition upgrade, I’m confused because I don’t own the game

[feral viper]

That, someone else will have to tell you. Because I ain't buying Oblivion again. Once was already too many times

[brave blade]

Ok……🤨

[stable zodiac]

Deluxe edition comes with extra weapons, quests and extra horse armour + digital artbook and soundtrack.

The standard edition includes all the base game + KotN DLC + Shivering Isles.

[feral viper]

Horse armour PLUS extras for $10? Man, really breaking the bank this time.

[half igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/136977516320522240/1364267442628460615/GpJhVTgWAAAW0y7.png?ex=68090c91&is=6807bb11&hm=d92664166512946fd81239db6bdf4405a39f7290fd74deb6817e9f641dffe60e&

HORSE. ARMOR ..

That is all ❤️

[radiant laurel]

HOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooly CRAP

[livid ingot]

No modding support. 🤔

[feral viper]

Yet, or at all?

[pulsar root]

They didn't say anything which just begs the question.

[strange needle]

Oblivion remaster gog release? Can we expect it?

[bitter kestrel]

Please do not circumvent the profanity filter, it exists for a reason

[half igloo]

god, those poor bastards and I mean saints https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699707976461844590/1364276691995857068/image.png?ex=6809152e&is=6807c3ae&hm=59694d910bb7f53547cf19caf4ff1b43859053d8185454b9149e882823b39b12&

everything was re-created and hand crafted

[livid ingot]

It's up somewhere. For some reason discord isn't letting me share images on this channel atm

[half igloo]

"Bethesda confirms that (official) mods are not supported with The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered" https://help.bethesda.net/#en/answer/69672

[pulsar root]

Well thats disappointing but it was always possible.

[feral viper]

Quick! Someone rip through the Mages Guild!

[half igloo]

https://x.com/JuiceHead33/status/1914726837038567521

JuiceHead (@JuiceHead33) on X

Leaving the sewers for the first time in Oblivion Remastered

X · Apr 22, 2025, 5:03 PM

No Loading Screen 😱

[feral viper]

I will full on withhold all criticisms for 6 months, if they corrected the veritable character assassination of my boy Manny

[half igloo]

ancetodal - but my german friend said the original oblivon used Americans speaking German and it was HORRIBLE. so maybe they ripped out the other language support? 😿

[stark cipher]

I can’t live stream on twitch for some reason it says it’s not allowed

[feral viper]

No, no, that's just the stilted voice acting that does that.

[half igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699707976461844590/1364297421227692064/GpJlwEiWYAA98fp.png?ex=6809287c&is=6807d6fc&hm=f7b5ddebe49eecaae60536474bd09c5287e651e0e4dba56ffe6e924995a52e87&

[radiant laurel]

crazy cus there are trillions of languages/dialects in teh world

[pulsar root]

Doing all the translating of all the languages right there isn't an easy task(And making sure it sounds right).

[feral viper]

I mean, when you're using 20 year old recordings... Yes

Did Oblivion EVER get localised voiced dialogue?

[half igloo]

apparently yes? I only know for sure from all my german BGS friends that is the most horrendus voice over they've ever heard

[bitter kestrel]

French and German were the only two other languages to get voiced dialogue according to the original Steam page

[feral viper]

Well, then there's hope for those at least.

But recording voiced dialogue is a significant effort, and generally beyond the scope of Remasters.

[eager remnant]

That's going to depend on the user's hardware and settings. In her livestream today HannahtheHermit sat through nearly a minute of loading screen at the sewer exit.

[timid kiln]

are there new voiceovers?

[feral viper]

From what I have seen and heard, no. But I have no first hand experience with it.

[half igloo]

there are a few , mentioned it in the stream but havnt heard it myself

there used to be voiceovers that didnt match the next hilariously in OG oblivion, so prob fixed those

oh, they mentioned all NPCs had the same voiceover, so they redid them by race, that was the big change

[still orbit]

How do I find the art book and the soundtracks?

[half igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699707976461844590/1364359917556862986/image.png?ex=680962b0&is=68081130&hm=3830512542d5ed5f929d0e641b75af363324cfca3bab195a59806c6f88a763ed&

[nimble pond]

Ngl, I actually like the original Oblivion over the Remaster

[spare garden]

I grew up playing the original and I can say this is a boiling take.

[half igloo]

sames, im used to the old janky gameplay & whatnot , im just excited to not have the haze that was over the OG

[shrewd scarab]

Oh how I have missed oblivion dialogue

“Hi there”
“Have you bet on any arena matches lately”
“Without question”
“Bye”
“Farewell”

[feral viper]

I will reserve my scathing criticism for 3 days while I wait for a shot of the King of Worms. If it's deserving of the title, I will extend that time to 6 months.

If not....

https://tenor.com/view/work-out-guillotine-gif-4878149

I jest, I suspect that my only input will be regarding the art style, which is mostly subjective. I won't be playing the remaster, so I ultimately won't be able to comment on the mechanical changes, and since the quests and characters are the same my criticism there won't be impacted.

So really, there's not a whole lot for me to say.

[radiant solar]

I am so excited to return to Cyrodiil. Why do I have to be at work for another two hours....😭

[primal olive]

take hotter than red mountain

[primal olive]

ugh lockpicking is so awful <\3

[acoustic nimbus]

I'm excited to see Oblivion again. It'd be funny if the horses could still run away with their armor

[novel spindle]

Hello everyone Bethesda studio proved again yesterday that the main principle of games is "Playing outside politics" is not important to it. The new Bethesda game was released again without the Russian language, which is spoken by 258 million people, but they did not want to translate it because discrimination based on nationality is more important than the love of fans, of which there are A LOT in Russia. Unfortunately, this message will not reach more than one person or developer, because I was born in a wrong country and do not have the right to call myself a part of my nation, much less the right to vote. I won't buy any more Bethesda studio games, or even TES 6, because there won't be any Russian language there either. Have a nice game, everyone, I hope someone finds this comment useful.

[hearty coral]

I find it useful to laugh at

[novel spindle]

Laugh all you want, it won't change the truth.

[noble verge]

Even if the origins are just a way to keep the old Oblivion's starting stat distributions for male and female characters, I think it'd be a great idea if they kept and further developed it as a character creation feature in future titles.

[bright siren]

I agree. People have been asking for subraces for a while and even though that’s not what this is, it get us closer to that

[fossil sparrow]

My computer is below minimum requirement for Starfield but I can play it relatively smoothly if I turn everything way down and downscale even more with DLSS. Will I have the same experience with the Oblivion remaster?

[fallen crater]

couple issues that I found

game crash related to using the basin after an Arena match

audio problem with arrows. They sound as though they are landing in your ear regardless of where an NPC fires it

crunching sound effects shortly after quicksaving
emperor's robes are solid near the trim where his ankles are
robes in general tend to stretch all over the place occasionally

hourly city bells are deafening

Leyawin is extremely laggy for some reason

[primal olive]

ok

I like snow elves :3 I hate what ysgramor did :3 blow up nords

[stuck minnow]

add fishing to oblivion remaster 👍

[primal olive]

why

[stuck minnow]

It just feels right bruh

[primal olive]

why though

id personally just patch bugs and leave it as one and done lol

focus on other projects completely

Bethesda on TES 6, and other ppl on whatevs

[acoustic nimbus]

Oh man this oblivion remaster

[steel loom]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:di67i73hkgm6iadhgozt2de5/bafkreidfr44qguvep677tudrxndbramargppc35xgvhk6lnqbfxdexqsl4@jpeg I really would like a textless version of this for my desktop background

[stable zodiac]

There's someone on the SF channel that says he can play SF with 4 cores but not the oblivion remaster. I wouldn't count on it. CE > UE

[fossil sparrow]

Ah well, back to Skyrim it is

[thorny night]

Man why didn't they put the game in GOG too ffs

[royal ember]

I can play with 4, I tried tweaking but really only interiors have about 60-90 fps. Ironically, it runs in interiors better than Starfield but has tons of pop-in if you're in an exterior. The worst is the world because it gets maybe 10-15fps.

25-30fps in Imperial city and 30-50 in others

[feral viper]

Where we sitting on Manni? They redeem my boy, or is he still a clown?

[bright siren]

Looks more or less the same

[low stream]

It so weird that every time I make a ticket on fallout 76 for store or elder scrolls assistance they keep saying I don’t own any games under my email when I do?? I just send them my tag on elder scrolls online but they’re not responding me

Why do they think I don’t own an active games??

[half igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103567136166789120/1364630087001182291/image.png?ex=680a5e4e&is=68090cce&hm=abde69cfd358219a47715c9d4ee765a63834d41e51306b02349eda80069bf352&

[livid ingot]

Someone shared a screenshot of him on another Discord. I still can't post images here for some reason, so I put it in the screenshot channel

[half igloo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/784546076371714068/1364633478724980817/SPOILER_SPOILER_SPOILER_image-10.png?ex=680a6176&is=68090ff6&hm=34fd3f0e9a2344e6b6a5df7adf6e576cc785d1b77d33de8dc3788ea39af0f2d9&

[stable zodiac]

Bad day huh?

[feral viper]

I... I have no words.

Somehow I want the clown back

The 'We have Leprechaun in Space at home' edition.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsq5AV1n3B0V8azkEPsdM6hPT_eL0KvUKL_45ltWY4HYi9ak24KXnqSBIbjwM5ufFIRSfUD1jStliI4L35PLqlmxIhltsQ_-ACngGbQ9ZGMM5veGNHnDvnopfnZZITpjQlrGU6WILpd0E/s1600/Lep3.jpg

[noble verge]

Looks pretty good considering what he's been through.

[molten ingot]

So wait, where is VI even going to take place?

[noble verge]

Speculated to be Hammerfell but not confirmed.

[molten ingot]

Has the series been to Hammerfell before?

[noble verge]

No game had Hammerfell in its entirety aside from Arena (which doesn't really count), but it's been visited in TES II, Redguard, and ESO.

[glad wasp]

how to remove nametag from horse while riding?

[primal olive]

oblivion sneak corner still works lol

[plush island]

Does ANYONE have a dupe glitch? Need one before I lose interest in the oblivion remake 😭

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tonight-doom-gif-19873326

[primal olive]

oblivion remake got me bored time to play Morrowind

[last owl]

Seriously it gave the game replay ability now if I want to make a character I’m gonna have to grind over and over again and constantly have to worry about gold and they basically said they aren’t ever gonna give console players mods so we just get no fun apparently

How much y’all wanna bet they do what they’ve done with every game prior to this one and completely ignore any feedback?

[last owl]

Yeah fr already bored of it there are no fun glitches anymore and all of the new quests just seem tedious and hard to find once again a game where console players are getting screwed out of fun because they aren’t gonna add a mod store

[simple iris]

A question for the remaster; does anyone know if they have reimplemented things back into the game that was supposed to be in originally ie the Bloodworm Helm and the Necromancer's Amulet in the Archmages room after completing the Mages Guild Questline, or the Councilor's Hood that can be bought in Nord Winds of Bruma?

Also; https://youtu.be/u322qHgVqQg?si=fKuiw4bixCazLKxD

[primal olive]

oh I don't give a flying wet poop about mods tbh I just think that unreal engine removed the charm of the tes games

[last owl]

Idk about the helm and amulet since the mages guild quest is currently irreparably broken at least for me even after reloading but I have been to the shop in bruma and didn’t see the hood

[gentle tangle]

Heard they're reforming the Dawnguard.
Vampire hunters or something..in the old fort near Riften. Might consider joining up myself 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[naive sluice]

how can i lock fps in oblivion remastered

and if i lock my monitor on 60 fps i have input lag

and the settings in game doesnt work for me

[pulsar root]

Ahh yes that glitchy charm /sarcasm

[half igloo]

entire game is in there, so glitches and quests alike should be possible

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/the-elder-scrolls/if-you-dig-into-the-oblivion-remasters-files-you-can-find-almost-the-whole-original-game-like-a-set-of-dinosaur-bones/

[radiant moss]

There's an FPS cap in the display settings iirc. If you're capping FPS to anything under your monitor's refresh rate, you'll always have input lag b/c you'll have a higher frame time.

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-personally-targeted-attacked-wow-big-mouth-netflix-gif-15432996

Not gonna lie, THAT Kwama killed me multiple times when I first started playing it.

We all know the one.

[half igloo]

[feral viper]

I died to the skeleton in Privateers Hold fewer times than that little worm..

[naive sluice]

And if i set my monitor to 60hz ?

[radiant moss]

Should be fine then?

[naive sluice]

When i set to 60hz I have input lag too

[stable zodiac]

If you are vsyncing you always have more input lag than off (but off gives you tearing unless your monitor supports VRR). But assuming you are not using frame generation a 60fps locked at 60hz vsync should not be producing (much) noticeable input lag.

[nimble pond]

Where the hood at?
https://i.imgflip.com/ix0n4.gif

[nimble pond]

Musta been a really bad fart, ruined their whole day..

[feral viper]

I'll be entirely honest, the Remaster is lucky I've relapsed, and have started up Stardew Valley.

It's difficult for me to be negative, even in a critical analysis sense, with a body full of sweet, sweet farming dopamine.

[timid drum]

👀 see you're just a big softie :3 (I'm being silly)

[feral viper]

I can't even be angry at Leandros when playing Stardew, man.

[timid drum]

Fair fair

[feral viper]

One of my top 3 modding games too.

Skyrim, Rimworld, Stardew

[scarlet patio]

Does anyone else want to see Bethesda reattempt oblivion’s radian NPCs in Elder scrolls 6??

It’s been 20 years since oblivion so I’d like to see how this mechanic would function with modern technology

[livid ingot]

Yes 100%

[oak chasm]

I have an incredible idea for an ES game and new form of interactive storytelling. Where can I go to be taken somewhat seriously? This idea probably could not be implemented in 6, but could perhaps be used for a (very ambitious) mod or a new non-main line game development.

[feral viper]

OBLIVION'S? No. A new attempt at it? Sure.

[fallen sluice]

As an Oblivion n Skyrim fan (sorta not the biggest morrowind enjoyer, also play the remaster of oblivion its brilliant), is ESO all that fun?

[feral viper]

That's a hard question to answer.

I hated (and still hate) Oblivion. But I love Morrowind and Skyrim. And I quite enjoyed ESO for many years.

However, I ALSO enjoy other MMOs and more traditional action-RPGs, so there was already more crossover there.

Ultimately, it plays far more like a WoW or FF14 style game than it does Oblivion or Skyrim. But it's still got more freedom in character customization and progress than those games.

And by and large, though I've since soured on the lore, ESOs lore contributions are outright better than Bethesda's for the last 20 years. It's arguably the best lore addition since Morrowind, and may actually surpass that.

[eager remnant]

My answer is pretty similar to Terical's answer. ESO is my third-favorite Elder Scrolls game (after Morrowind and Skyrim). I like it's game mechanics, writing and the genral look and feel of the game. My personal opinion is that it's well worth the money.

[half igloo]

ESO is an old school MMO and what I mean by that is if there are say 8 buckets of player activties,it tries to fullfill all 8 buckets

No one does that anymore but the legacy MMOs do

So whatever you find fun in a game, ESO likely has it - that said, they're trying to do A LOT at the same time, so there is often a limit to how deep said thing is

i've quit and come back to that game like 50 times

ESO Plus is basically required due to the crafting bag and how loot works, and it includes all prior DLC\ Expansions, so even tho its technicalyl free, expect to pay monthly to play it essentially, even though F2P is "technically" possible

[vale sedge]

Can elder scrolls 6 please have eye patches?
I don’t want a half baked mod. I want to make a pirate themed rouge dark elf with an eye patch.

Sadly I cannot do so currently. Eye patches fall short on mod lists from what I’ve seen.

[silver turret]

Quick question I know oblivion is elder scrolls 4 and skyrim is elder scrolls 5 is skyrim a sequel?

[feral viper]

Sequel-ish

It takes place chronologically after the events of Oblivion, and it's setting is directly reliant ON the events of Oblivion, but there aren't recurring characters or plot threads

[pulsar root]

Technically yes Skyrim is a sequel to Oblivion. It takes place a couple hundred years after Oblivion(Or called the Oblivion Crisis).

[feral viper]

Mostly, anyway. There are a handful, but they aren't directly related.

[hollow drift]

Will oblivion optimisation be fixed?

[silver turret]

I played skyrim and this is my first time playing oblivion

[feral viper]

I am so, so sorry.

[half igloo]

this is a much better way to experience the oblivion crisis for sure
do the faction quests, fighters, mages, thieves etc best parts of the game

[primal olive]

do you like lore?

[feral viper]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-guy-lore-gif-24356620

[pulsar root]

Teh lore

[scarlet patio]

More so the concept behind it rather than the exact execution. i.e. NPC’s having more detailed cycles, elements of randomness/unscripted and more dialogue when talking to them

[feral viper]

I think there's a lot of potential to the idea, yeah.

But I also think that the reason it ultimately failed is because Oblivion was not anything remotely approaching a 'Living world'. The inability to replenish basic materials they the system depended on in order to drive the NPC goals and actions, and the general theme park nature of it, doomed the experiment to failure.

Unless effort is made to address these background issues, effectively creating an economic supply system in the game, any subsequent attempt to create a similar system will also almost certainly fail.

[small sage]

terical whatdo you think of the remaster?

[feral viper]

Have not played it, and can't really comment on the mechanical changes. They haven't really shown through in the few streams I've watched, though they probably would if I managed to watch more of them. Which I will not be.

Kind of a shame, because a few of the YouTubers I like supporting are playing it, and I just can't stand watching it. Maybe I'll play them while at work, so they get the views...

But, purely visually. I think it's technically well executed, but absolutely dreadful. Somehow, they made Oblivion look even MORE generic.

[pulsar root]

💀

[feral viper]

But, that's about as hostile as Incan get with a cerebellum full of dopamine because my Blueberries started producing in Stardew, and now my budget woes are no more

[burnt kindle]

hi its very quiet

thats ok I like talking to myself, I get the right answers

[nimble pond]

Well at least it has breathed some fresh life into the TES channel. If only for a little while

[feral viper]

It has been unusually chatty around here, hasn't it?

[small sage]

it has

it does my old bones good to see a newer generation getting into oblivion, but god dang it is annoying sometimes

[dim reef]

Ok I just would like to put this out there as I have been waiting for every release to hopefully see an elder scrolls from before the time that the dwarf/druids we still alive to interact with and to see their monstrous dwellings alive and active in their time and era with all the splender! I want the option to choose a dwarf ! Just saying.......

[small sage]

dwemer are evil

[crude coyote]

Anyone know what the best level to be for levelled gear is with the changes to the levelling system in the remastered oblivion?

[hardy grotto]

above lvl like 30 or sum I got umbra at lvl 37 and it's pretty good

[crude coyote]

Yeah I used to get them around then in the original but I wondered if they had changed the way the levelled weapons work given the changes to the levelling systems.

[hardy grotto]

they haven't changed it

[crude coyote]

Ok brilliant. Thank you 🙂

[primal olive]

I disagree, it still captures the oblivion charm while also feeling like Bethesda, the characters feeling wrong, extreme, like that of fallout 1 and 2 (which was interplay but my point stands) it feels right

[radiant moss]

A ton of the charm is lost primarily due to the weird LUT they applied, like, everywhere. There's a billion reshade mods on Nexus rn that converts the game's color scheme back to the vivid green lush/blue skies like the original and it instantly felt better.

Well, dunno if that's what you find to be wrong with the visuals but the entire game has this weird red/warm smear filter on it. Something's weird with the global illumination I think? There's also this haze when it's on anything other than low.

[dim reef]

So this is where we talk about TES VI?

[thorny night]

Can we have Oblivion Remaster on GOG???

Not waiting 10 years like the rest of games