#elder-scrolls-general-chat

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nimble pond
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I mean can you imagine, surely the guy has AT LEAST one additional pair of underwear.

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The soap would decompose him because he's so old that he's literally all dirt and dust by now. That's the best way to take out ancient vampires.

rose fjord
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When do you think we’ll get gameplay from elder scrolls 6

livid ingot
wide garnet
autumn tartan
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anyone else waiting for elderscrolls 6

pale walrus
feral viper
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Late 2025 at the earliest. I think late 2026 is more likely.

feral viper
eager remnant
feral viper
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Can we all take a moment to appreciate the raw, chaotic neutral evolutionary drug trip that is the Hippopotamus? Part whale. Part elephant. Part pig.

All vibe.

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More Fantasy settings need more Hippos. Like, Hippo Cavalry.

slow garnet
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I spare Nilsine. She's done nothing to deserve it: she's cut off a friend, sure, but that friend had a boyfriend who robbed the house, and thus is a major security risk.

Muiri has done the Sacrament for one murder, and is entitled to one murder, Alain Dufont. That's Dark Brotherhood business. In any case, he's openly a brigand and a robber, and attacks you on sight even if you try to negotiate with him.

The other murder she asks for, of Nilsine... no Sacrament has been done for that. What she's asking for is not a formal Dark Brotherhood assassination, but simply a contract murder. So I'm entitled to refuse it - and indeed to think less of Muiri for having asked for her "two for the price of one" deal, and especially since she's asking for it out of sheer selfishness following an argument in which Nilsine was the injured party.

In fact I think you should be able to rat Muiri out to Nilsine and have Nilsine call a counter-contract on Muiri - "I was considering forgiving her, which took quite some doing after having been robbed, but now you tell me that she wanted me dead? Right. This is self-defence now. You take her out and I'll reward you" - and make Nilsine a potential marriage partner. This, again, would be a non-Brotherhood contract, and thus a mere "murder" rather than an "assassination", and thus one which could also be refused... And if you refuse both, Nilsine should track down Muiri or vice versa, and there should be a daggers-drawn fight between them which either one might (depending on the luck of combat) win... or the Dragonborn could join in on either side without incurring a bounty...

feral viper
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If I'm playing a Brotherhood assassin... I generally kill them both. I utterly hate the cultic attitudes of the Brotherhood and think it's entirely ruined the faction, so I tend to lean more on the 'Murderer for hire' side of what they should be. Black Sacrament or no, you were given a target, offered coin, and that person dies.

I far more often wipe out the Brotherhood though, so Nilsine lives. Because that train wreck of a faction is far more satisfying to burn to the ground.

forest surge
feral viper
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Eeeh... ESO does what it can, with what it was given.

It's hands down the best of the lot, yes, but the core idea is still an anchor around it's neck.

forest surge
feral viper
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I personally think that ESOs major misstep with the whole thing was confirming the Tong to be behind the assassination of the Potentate.

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It worked much better as a conspiracy to frame the Tong by the Brotherhood, in order to become the dominant assassin's guild.

But then they had all the tacky cultic stuff bolted to them and kinda ruined any sense of competency or dread the Brotherhood had. So...

forest surge
feral viper
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I'm not going to point fingers. I'm simply going to criticise the end product and point out why it has problems which diminish the whole.

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Ultimately... A spoopy death cult that requires contracts enacted by a macabre and deliberate ritual very few people will ever have the stomach to preform, isn't nearly as scary as a loosely aligned group of sadists, drug addicts and professional psychopaths who only need a pay day to justify taking a contract.

forest surge
feral viper
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ESO does a much better job, yes. It's just difficult to recover after the hobbling that was Oblivion. For the whole setting, really

forest surge
feral viper
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But that's enough about how little I hold Oblivion in regard...

pale walrus
feral viper
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Oh, the actually can. Just... The Dark Brotherhood aren't. The entire turn they took is about as scary as Bloody Mary.

Enough for a child, but once you hit the point where you can actually consider the odds, they become about as scary as lighting.

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Really scary if you're in front of one. An absolute non-concern every other moment.

And considering most people will never be in front of one... Not very scary at all.

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Religious death cults are scary when they're tangible, in your face, and indiscriminate. Not when they're clandestine and never likely to be encountered even by the rich and powerful.

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But let's move on from my moment of weakness. I never should have mentioned anything, because it always just ends up about how Oblivion killed the Magic of the setting.

This is why I try to stick to mechanics.

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Uuuh...

Nope... Nope, drawing a topical blank. What haven't I rambled on about in a while? Health and damage? Armour? Stealth? Dialogue?

hidden herald
feral viper
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Indeed. They're on a weird branch of the Artiodactyl line

nimble pond
# feral viper Uuuh... Nope... Nope, drawing a topical blank. What haven't I rambled on about...

I think dishware would be a suitable topic. We need better tupperware to carry our food around. I'm pretty sure we are eating spoiled food and making our characters sick. Mages can probably get away with this tho by freezing their food to protect it from spoilage. As well fireballing can of beans in seconds like a microwave. Which surprisingly, I don't think anyone has tried to use fire magic like a blow-torch to cut a hole into heavily secured fortifications.

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Hippo's just look like super mutant pigs?

feral viper
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Having to collect and assemble all the necessary components of a good alchemy lab was part of the progression, making you feel like you were actually assembling something and moving forward in the same way you do with arms and armour.

But, at the same time, it ended up being a lot of inventory clutter, and in a realistic sense that's all very sensitive and fragile equipment. You can't just lug it around in a backpack and set it up on a log in the woods.

nimble pond
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Taxidermy would be a cool job as well as furniture crafting, we could be carprnters as a side hustle and make our own custom furniture

feral viper
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I have played with the idea of a general 'Craftsman' skill.

nimble pond
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That or like raising/breeding a variety of animals to sell to farmers and or as pets. Some breeds could have distinct abilities. I always kinda wanted a pet that would glow so I have light without needing torches or magics

feral viper
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Husbandry has also been on one of my lists. Admittedly, after relapsing into Stardew Valley.

feral viper
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Though, I'll preface that with the fact that these lists were more about potential mechanics to explore in the future, rather than things I seriously wanted or thought would be useful.

Fix what's there first. New mechanics are great, but when the core mechanics are in the state they are, spending time on new stuff doesn't actually improve the overall product.

pale walrus
pale walrus
feral viper
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At the time, I was playing with the idea of having totally independent Crafting Skills not related to Leveling at all. Still associated with the 3 Paradigms, but separated.

Warrior - Craftsmanship

Thief - Engineering

Mage - Spellcraft.

Then each of the 3 could have their own subcategories which progress generally independently. Craftsmanship for instance could have Weapon Smith, Carpenter, Stonemason etc.

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I ultimately shelved it as a 'Down the Road ' idea due to, again, being rather involved and more pressing things needing attention first.

pale walrus
feral viper
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The motivation behind removing them from the leveling dynamic was to avoid the problem of people investing hard in crafting, and ending up skewing the games leveling curve to the point where anything just kills them, or they're left entirely unaware of where they should be going to actually play against functional challenges.

nimble pond
nimble pond
# feral viper I ultimately shelved it as a 'Down the Road ' idea due to, again, being rather i...

That's the wrong way to look at it, most people are just talking ideas purely for the fun aspect of just discussing and thinking about them, while we all wait a few more years. Some of the stuff people bring up here is actually pretty exciting to think about and in turn inspires fun ideas from others. We all already know the game needs fixes here and there (like any game for that matter, some of which people may disagree whether or not a certain aspect needs fixing or not since some fixes are simply a matter of not liking how something is done).

feral viper
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I try to keep things focused into practical recommendations on improving.

Otherwise, I'll just build up a game that's better than I could ever reasonably expect. And that's just setting myself up for failure.

So, I try to stay more within what I think I can reasonably expect Bethesda to be capable of, based on what they have demonstrated.

nimble pond
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But this is just a general chat channel, nothing is expected. But you do you and others too.

feral viper
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Expected, no. But I try to maintain a sliver of that most terrible of illusions: Hope.

Hope that someone with some authority actually reads anything we say here, and that it betters the end product in some way.

feral viper
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Plus, I learned on the forums many years ago, that my 'Ideal game' isn't attractive to many others. So I try to keep things a bit more reasonable.

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If I had my way, we'd all be using full Analogue controls like Daggerfall, and runic hand gestures to cast spells.

But apparently people don't like flailing their mouse around like professional DOTA players.

forest surge
pale walrus
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I suspect that under the right circumstances feedback provided here might actually affect BGS development decisions. I vaguely recall that there widespread complaints about how vampirism was presented in the vanilla ES5 and a general interest in revisiting Morrowind. That resulted in the Dawnguard and Dragonborn DLCs. So BGS must tap into the forum from time to time and/or pick up on trade press article comments.

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One area that I'd like to see refined is the NPC Companion option. BGS hasn't done a terrible job here, but there is definitely room for improvement. For example: all companions should automatically be immortal (like they were in FONV.) I don't want to use a Companion as a mule, have that Companion buy it in an encounter and have to figure out how I'm going to haul all the goodies he or she was carrying back to the nearest PC home or at least a village or city to sell the loot/swag. Also: it is completely unacceptable for a Companion to move deliberately into combat when you're trying to move stealthily. Finally: for a Companion to move into your line of fire as you prepare an archery ambush is the epitome of Stoopid. It's utterly infuriating. All of these should be easy fixes.

feral viper
feral viper
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While I adored Daggerfall at the time, even in the 90s I found it's combat rather clunky and unintuitive. I much prefered Quest For Glory's format (at least through 2, 3 and the VGA Remake of 1) and had started to really get the hang of the burgeoning Mouse-Look formats of the Doom-Clone genre (which became formally known as the FPS genre by 2000).

It wasn't until I played Dead Island in Xbox in 2011 and tried it's Analogue Combat, that things actually clicked.

clever falcon
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Anyone know of any third era TES RP servers or anything along that line?

feral viper
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Alas, I cannot say that I do. Sorry.

nimble pond
feral viper
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I adored sculpting runes to cast spells in the Black and White games..

nimble pond
nimble pond
# pale walrus One area that I'd like to see refined is the NPC Companion option. BGS hasn't do...

Actually I like the thought of that. Companions with varying intelligence levels. So some Companions could be sooo stupid, they hit every trap, knock into objects making noise, blow up themselves with spells sometimes, ocassionally stumbling when they attack or shooting themselves in the knee with their own arrow, causing you and them to be attacked by hired mercs bc of something the companion did like messing with the farmer's wife. You know, give em some personality that really has an impact.

pale walrus
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I agree. Follower/Companion NPCs could do with a real upgrade - an 'elaboration', in fact. Some are dumb, some are smart; some have personality advantages or disadvantages; some are incompetent and others are excellent. One sort of follower/companion I would love to have, for instance, is a 'Zatoichi.'

hidden herald
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Runic magic involving glyphs is covered in part within ESO's Necrom chapter, relating back to Hermaeus Mora ||as well as Xarses, Julianos, and Magnus||

late skiff
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how do i get 3 people into my home at once for the party planer achievement in eso?

eager remnant
pale walrus
feral viper
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It's something I immensely enjoyed, but was pretty widely panned.

hidden herald
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That's pretty much what being an Arcanist is, but the process is automated since too much realism can be too much for the young goats.

feral viper
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I... Don't even see how that's possible in a MMO format. I may have to look at it.

hidden herald
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As in, the tracing of glyphs in-universe is how that works, but you do not do so manually, i.e. the entire spell is already set-up for you.
They also go into a bit of how Scribing (historical precursor to Spellcrafting) in the new Chapter, but those details should remain in spoilers until after the release, and probably for a bit after that to give people a chance to learn about it themselves.

feral viper
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Ah, ok. I got ya now

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Regardless, no matter how much I like the mechanical input, it was very unpopular, so I don't really include it in many of my ramblings.

nimble pond
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I've often found enjoyment in things otherwise considered unpopular by the apparent masses and vice-versa. Sometimes even things that start out unpopular grow to become popular later on.

pale walrus
restive fulcrum
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The mission where i have to get the dragonstone is impossible is there any way to skip it

feral viper
restive fulcrum
feral viper
feral viper
restive fulcrum
feral viper
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On PC, you can use console commands to set particular quest stages and bypass broken triggers. But no such option exists on Console that I know of.

There may be a mod or unofficial patch that fixes it though.

eager remnant
pale walrus
restive fulcrum
feral viper
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Though I'll admit, single malts are best when double peated, and carrying a heavy smokey body.

eager remnant
restive fulcrum
night violet
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What i would love for TES VI is if you get infected with Vampirism, a recruiter for a vampire faction approaches you. If you have been known for being kind and benevolent, it's a faction of good vampires like the Ravenwatch that polices other vampires.

If you have been bad and committed crimes before getting bit, members of a bad vampire clan approach you as a potential recruit.

Lastly, both versions need to see a group of vampire hunters, offering a cure to either the disease or vampirism for the the players cooperation.

Think that would make being a vampire more fun, especially since they can't really have the player be made a thrall by a vampire.

pale walrus
pale walrus
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Both of the vampire clans are dangerous. The difference is that one is an avid adherent to Molag Bal and is a force of terror and dread in its region, while the other actually keeps a low profile and has an agreement with the local authorities to feed only on convicted violent career criminals (which are readily supplied by said authorities.) In both cases, you are cursed and your existence is baleful - regular people are horrified by you and you are not welcome in normal society, while monsters and other 'wrong' things consort with you regularly and ask or demand things of you that are distasteful and even dreadful.

nimble pond
night violet
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No sadly. Lycanthropy and vampirism are exclusively states. Hiricine and Molag Bal don't get along. I'm sure it's possible just not with the current strains of either curse.

flint sedge
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Guts

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Guys* dam this cool down is long

golden plinth
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Put House Ravenwatch in TES VI.

pale walrus
restive fulcrum
night violet
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they patched it so it is not longer possible to be both in vanilla skyrim as they weren't meant to be at the same time.

I would love for hte Ravenwatch to be in TES VI. I want to see how Adusa and Gwendyis have been doing

atomic jay
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Hey just wondering do we know if Bethesda will be at summer games con or whatever.

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Or will they be with Xbox.

pale walrus
clear thicket
pale walrus
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I bet things are increasingly difficult at an executive level for BGS right now. There is a great deal of pressure to get ES 6 out, but now also FO5. MSFT said they are willing to help (probably with manpower - they've bought quite a few game studios in the last several years and have shut down new product development for several of them, giving them developer resources to apply), but BGS is still going to have to be more decisive between now and Labor Day.

clear thicket
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Realistically even with Microsoft backing them to pick up the pace, I wouldn't expect to see 6 before 2027. Hopefully I'm wrong, but 4 years between launches was the norm before they doubled that time with starfield

pale walrus
# clear thicket Realistically even with Microsoft backing them to pick up the pace, I wouldn't e...

I dunno - allegedly the very early pre-dev work began in 2012. That would include early story development, concept art and such. By 2018, they had an actual video of part of the province (we've all seen it, I think.) That means some team of devs had already done a respectable amount of coding to represent a portion of the province at a coarse level of granularity. We're now in 2024, so it's not unreasonable to expect that things have advanced quite a bit from that. Todd Howard even says the game is 'playable', which can be interpreted in several ways, but which clearly means they've progressed beyond 2018. So: I wouldn't be surprised if there's a late 2025 or early 2026 announcement and a rollout/release 6-9 months later.

clear thicket
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Assuming we've actually seen part of the game is akin to thinking blizzard games look and play like their cutscenes

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For reference, Cyberpunk had a cinematic trailer over ten years before release. Don't be too hopeful

eager remnant
clear thicket
eager remnant
livid ingot
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It's TES Online which was developed by another studio (Zenimax Online). Maybe you were thinking of that Outpost hater

pale walrus
# clear thicket Assuming we've actually seen part of the game is akin to thinking blizzard games...

LOL! Yes, I hear you. But Cyberpunk was developed by a different studio. BGS really should be in a good position to get ES6 done in the next 2 years. Of course, one could legitimately argue that 5 years after SF is more in-line with BGS development history, and it's a reasonable counterargument. But if BGS can't get ES6 out in top condition before 2028, that means a 17 year lag between it and ES5. That would be pathetic, especially considering the fact that they have MSFT backing them up with financing and readily available resources. And let's not forget - in 2018, BGS demonstrably proved that they had already written code for a high level view of part of the target province. That means an engine was available for this work. They should be much farther down the road by now.

pale walrus
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Whoa - I get the impression a long set of comments was removed. What happened?

livid ingot
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check the rules. they also don't like the discussion of rumors or speculation that could be construed as misinformation

nimble pond
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There's only room for one M'aiq here

pale walrus
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Fair enuf. Haven't found anything genuinely interesting in the press for the past two weeks - looks even more speculative (and recycled) than what we say.

hidden herald
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It's an adjacent place, ||or another Path||

night violet
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We need a Nord like Rigurt in TES VI.

"I am off to commit diplomacy!"

Me: at least you know the way you do it is a crime.

glacial gull
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hi, a quick question, I wanted to go back to TES legends after a long while, playing morrowind again made me crave it a bit

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but I forgot like... everything there was about this game, is there any way to reset my account to state zero? Or do I have to make a new one?

night violet
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Hey to the ESO players on PC, happy Gold Road Launch day! I sadly have to wait for the 18th to go to West Weald lol

nimble pond
# glacial gull but I forgot like... everything there was about this game, is there any way to r...

You could try clearing the data from the app settings? Though that may not work if it's bound to the account. I know I played another game that let you keep the same account, but let you overwrite with a new save if you so wished. Not sure if Legends ever provided a way to unlink/link, but maybe you could do it manually accessing the save file system to override the previous save. I used to do something similar to that for game saves on They Are Billions on steam. You might could try going into the Google games app, I think they let delete individual game save data to reset?

mental frost
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ESO ps5 player looking to become a werewolf

eager remnant
pale walrus
clever falcon
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So I'm looking at the ESO map now that Skingrad is out trying to predict the next Expansion, it's gotta be either Rihad or another island (maybe Solstheim or Pyadonea)

night violet
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Could also be Whiterun or winterhold. Next year is also part of the 10th anniversary celebration and a return to Skyrim would be appropriate.

clever falcon
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If that's the case I'd really hope they do something interesting for Skyrim again

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Preferably not daedra again lol

eager remnant
night violet
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I mean it's ok to talk about Fallout New Vegas in the fallout general chat. Why is ESO in the elder scrolls general chat an exception?

nimble pond
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Talking about the lore?

eager remnant
pale walrus
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The thread, however, does suggest a topic of discussion: would it be better if ESO avoided expansions that ventured into the ES6 location or would it be a bad idea? If ESO's Gold Road was followed up with a journey to Rihad and perhaps other parts of eastern or SE HF, it either pre-defines or pre-reveals certain aspects and locations of ES6 (presumably.) ESO has already covered just about all of the northern half of HF, along with Stros M'kai and Hew's Bane (the bottom part of that southern peninsula.) Would it be a good or bad thing for ES6 if they covered the rest before ES6 is released?

feral viper
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It's at least 1000 years removed. So I don't see much of a problem..

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Even culturally, 1000 years is a LONG time for cultural drift and changes. France, for instance, went from Charlemagne to Napoleon over that amount of time.

pale walrus
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Yeah, you're right. Since we're on HF for the moment, though, something else has come to mind:

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HF is substantially (though not completely) desert country. On the outskirts of the desert, though, and particularly to the NE and E, the land rises and eventually becomes mountainous. That terrain between the desert and the mountains is potentially arable. The key ingredient missing is a steady, dependable and ample enough supply of water. This would suggest that if either the Nedes, the Orcs, the Ayleids or the Redguards were enterprising enough, they should have built a system of reservoirs, aqueducts and canals to marshal the runoff from mountain rain and snow and harness the water for agriculture on the nearby plain regions. Has any such infrastructure been seen in, for instance, the ESO Craglorn expansion, and should such infrastructure be present in ES6, either in a functional, semi-functional or ruined state?

feral viper
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I think relegating Hammerfell to just 'desert' is pretty shallow. That's not to say it won't happen, and it's definitely the vibe that ESO gives... But it's an immense area with a diverse set of influences and geographies.

Realistically we'd see Desert, Mountains, Scrubland, Savannah/plains, probably a little tropical forests, steppeland, and maybe even some volcanism.

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The Alik'r region it's self is almost definitely Sahara like. But that doesn't mean the rest of the country is.

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Though it should also be noted, half the country still is not in ESO. So there's still time to fix it's depiction

forest surge
feral viper
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Indeed. As I clarified, only half the country is present, so there's still room to deal with it.

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Unlike Valenwood, which is beyond salvation.

hidden herald
feral viper
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I did clarity that, yes.

pale walrus
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"clarify", not "clarity." You're welcome.

feral viper
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Autocorrect is a fickle Mistress.

pale walrus
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Just teasing

deft sand
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Squeeze

meager halo
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For eso which dlc do I need to unlock scribing?

night violet
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Gold Road

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Still, I think it would be a good idea to wait to do the area we are going to in ES6 until the year that game will drop. Unless of course we have already been there.

Would be good marketing to put TES VI in November but be like

"Hey, you can explore a section of the region the game is in this summer in the Elder Scrolls oNline new chapter."

feral viper
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I think that ship has sailed. ESO has done, at least in part, every province on the continent.

Unless they do something tacky, like go to Akavir to try to draw in Asian consumers, we've already seen a part of every potential location.

night violet
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I don't think they will anytime soon. They have said they want to preserve the mystic of akavir

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If TES VI does end up being Hammerfell, there still plenty of places they could go for a chapter.

pale walrus
sly inlet
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Is the uesp page for shadowkey finished because it doesn’t seem like the game has many quests that aren’t part of the main quest based on that page

nimble pond
feral viper
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Most of the old mobiles were. For obvious reasons.

atomic jay
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So we’re defo getting news at the summer games fest yeah ?

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I joke. But I am wondering. Bethesda will be at the Xbox showcase this Sunday aye ?

pale walrus
nimble pond
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It's as if he's trying to undress us with his eyes

wide garnet
nimble pond
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Honestly that previous gif was perfect, it's like he was literally watching

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Soooo wrong

wide garnet
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I had second thoughts.

pale walrus
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Now that I've discovered the gif library, I feel like a kid in a candy shop 😉

wide garnet
night violet
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Would be cool if they dropped something this weekend but I doubt they will.

pale walrus
nimble pond
wide garnet
sly inlet
minor dew
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can yous stop remaking games, elder scrolls 6 2025 elder scrolls 7 2030 ty

pale walrus
feral viper
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Look, someone's gotta catch up to Capcom and the number of rerelease, special editions, ports, and remasters of RE4.

cloud quest
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yo guys, what games do you recommend buying? (i have like, 7 dollars to spare)

gloomy anchor
cloud quest
gloomy anchor
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hmmm thats a tough one

pale walrus
eager remnant
cloud quest
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oh yeah, and garry's mod too

feral viper
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Civ6 is on for like, $4cad.

pale walrus
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Why not d/l a free game like Counterstrike 2?

cloud quest
nimble pond
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I was gonna say lookup the new Indiana Jones game, but I realized it still hasn't dropped yet and they been talking about that game for years now

feral viper
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Given Machinegames's last two games I'd hold off on it until we know what the finished product is.

dim reef
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6 years BGS the teaser was 6 fkcng years ago

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where is TES6 bro i can't wait for it anymore

primal olive
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that ESO trailer was really bad I think I'ma refund the dlc

sly inlet
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LMAO

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It's over Oblivibros

proven scaffold
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It's over for tes 6... so many games announced and yet no tes 6.. even follow up for gears and even an expansion for starfield... it's been exactly 6 years since the first trailer for tes 6 😦 Nope it looks bad...

forest surge
rotund storm
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How do you go an entire showcase without showing anything about ES6 after announcing it last year. No new projects no nothing

forest surge
primal olive
proven scaffold
forest surge
forest surge
proven scaffold
primal olive
rotund storm
proven scaffold
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I have more hope for the wayward realms even... They almost finished their kickstarter goal....

primal olive
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I just feel the trailer just kinda icked me real bad after already not feeling good about this dlc

rotund storm
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Activision did more which is INSANE

forest surge
primal olive
rotund storm
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I just don’t understand how you flop this badly every year

forest surge
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A flop not to show TESVI? Idk, just seems a bit much to think the whole show is a flop for that one game alone not appearing.

primal olive
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Honestly I might just take a break from ESO and wait, see if I think it's worth getting next month

forest surge
proven scaffold
forest surge
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ESO has thankfully kept me from going mad for the wait that is TESVI

rotund storm
proven scaffold
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I just can't wait anymore, I play the series since Elder Scrolls Arena 😩

proven scaffold
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which is already announced, was just like a celeberation

rotund storm
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Everything bethesda revealed was already known about

forest surge
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Doom the Dark Ages wasn’t

rotund storm
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Doom had been leaked for quite a while

primal olive
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ah rip I can't refund the dlc

forest surge
primal olive
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oh well guess I'll try it then lmao

forest surge
primal olive
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rotund storm
forest surge
proven scaffold
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it's just stupid to see a new f-ing doom, indiana jones and even a dlc for starfield but no tes6 which was revealed 6 years ago... atleast give a 10second video how the f-ing grass looks like

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All you’ve gotta do is just say something to appease people, but I’m not surprised

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TESVI only entered full Production once Starfield was out.

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The Problem lies solely on the ones deciding to reveal it was being worked on before they were actually working on it

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we got gears, gta 6 and nsfw twitch before tes6

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Guess we will get ES6 in like a decade

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I’m 25, I’ll be alive

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I’m surprised anyone was expecting es6 news. It just went into full development and I’d imagine everyone knows by now that Beth doesn’t like to discuss games much until they’re close to release

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I mean literally anything other than exclusively DLC would’ve been cool

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I witnessed the reveals which were amazing, they just don't fnin do it anymore

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I guess I got hoodwinked by YouTube but I was honestly expecting an oblivion remake to be announced but I guess not, I mean DLC stuff is cool and all but it’s honestly expected so I’m just kinda meh about it

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# bright siren I’m surprised anyone was expecting es6 news. It *just* went into full developmen...

They could of done something, even small. I mean for christ sake they announced the flipping thing 6 years ago as of tomorrow. Even if it was another teaser showing of a bit more than just rocky mountains or the location or even just Todd Howard talking about it for like 40 seconds.

I just needed something.... another year, another disappointment... until Skyblivion, then I don't care when it comes out.

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Yeah. A little info would've been even enough...

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Exactly but hey, whatever man, it’ll come when it comes until then I guess just focus on other stuff

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I mean they basically already did that back in March, they'd just be repeating themselves. But idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I kind of am over the whole “Terrible Graphics stuff” MMO’s can never really escape that it seems

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Also about the whole Milking thing… I really do not care, MMO’s like Wow have gone on so long that it gets a pass at this point for those players to keep getting more

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That’s actually why I don’t play WOW

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I wouldn't worry. After all, if it's true that actual development on ES6 has only begun this year, then the earliest we can expect it to release would be 2029 (which is the same delay between ES4 and ES5.) But since Todd Howard wants this to be a game that lasts at least a decade, he'll want to put an extra special effort into it. So let's just say that we can expect the title to release sometime in the next decade. No big deal.

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# pale walrus I wouldn't worry. After all, if it's true that actual development on ES6 has onl...

Full production on TES 6 began last year (most likely August-September). Also, the release dates between TES 4 and TES 5 is not applicable here. Fallout 4 was developed between TES 4 and TES 5, whereas no game is being developed between Starfield and TES 6.

Bethesda Softworks stated after the Microsoft acquisition that they would like to stick to their traditional release schedule: ("Time frame-wise, it would still be about as long as you'd expect when you look at Fallout 3 to Skyrim to Fallout 4 to Fallout 76. It's still going to be those periods of time, that hasn't changed.") This potentially places a TES 6 release in the vicinity of 2026-2027.

It is worth mentioning also that the number of developers working on TES 6 is double the number that worked on Skyrim. And much of the difficult programming work updating the engine to Creation Engine 2.0 (which played a significant role in delaying the release of Starfield) has been completed. This, combined with the increased size of the dev team, could result in faster development time.

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this is ESO channel? can not find ESO channel

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So when we finally start getting Elder Scrolls news, which content Creators do you think will be covering it? I can only assume many of the Skyrim crew have moved on by now.

Maybe ESO and Camelworks. Is Fudgemuppet still around?

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# night violet So when we finally start getting Elder Scrolls news, which content Creators do y...

I watch Fudgemuppet, Juicehead, Imperial Knowledge, Febrith Darkstar, Gopher, Camelworks, MajorSlackAttack and TheEpicNate315. Lately I've begun watching fevvy's humorous meta-gaming build videos and biggie_boss's Wabbajack videos when I want to be awestruck at what Skyrim can turn into with some of these gigantic 2,000+ mod lists. I imagine most of these folks will likely be covering TES VI.

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Oh there's some there I never heard of.

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Happy 6 year anniversary of the Elder Scrolls 6 teaser!!!

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Appreciated 😛

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So I started back up ESO after being gone for four years, boy did I miss out on stuff. There is sooo much to do I don't know where to start now.

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It's better if you instead sit around and wait for ES6 like the rest of us. You'll be much happier. Just look at us!

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Never been a big fan of it or ESO, Schick is a terrible self proclaimed “lore master”

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An MMO has done a better job of building the world more than Bethesda has with Oblivion and Skyrim, which says a lot really as Worldbuilding at Bethesda, at least for TES and Starfield has been lacking. Which is not an insult btw, just something I think has been rather clear lately.

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I see little similarity between World of Warcraft and Elder Scrolls Online, either in graphic style or gameplay.

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People think Every MMO looks the same as WOW just for being fantasy.

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Granted I won’t try to change how you feel if it’s how you feel.

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I wasn’t just talking Metaphysical lol, I was also talking about the 10 Races of Tamriel and there cultures.

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What they worship, what holidays exist, what clothing they wear, how their armors and weapons differ. How their architecture differs.

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Elder Scrolls Fans are not meant to be in total agreement anyway

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My favorite Race is Khajiit but Argonian’s are likely among my other favorite.

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Starfield was definitely written… by a person or AI I will never know

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Basically

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# forest surge Basically

Like the Oblivion DB is pretty subpar as a story but damn that quest design is so fun I love going back to those quests

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I mean.. it's easier to worldbuild when you're encompassing all of Tamriel and more as opposed to locking each title to a single province. So much variety. And it's in an interesting period of time as well. Plus they can keep adding to it since it's an on-going project.

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I've never heard of anyone saying it looks like WoW though? Only complaints I've seen is stuff like it's an MMO and plays like an MMO.

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Interesting though, now that I think about it, I think they just like to focus on the story at hand, like several little stories making up the big story.

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I don’t think it’s wrong to focus on the story, but I think it’s important to explore the people as well as there cultures.

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If TES VI did go to Hammerfell, would you follow the main questline right away or is there a region you would make a beeline for?

Personally, I would go and check out Craglorn. That place scares me in ESO, it would be nice to get some early positive memories of the area in a single player game

Inbefore Craglorn is a post game area with horrifying Deathclaw like monsters...

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Similarly to Pseron, my first playthrough is almost always spent exploring. Learning the game changes, finding what playstyle I enjoy, and getting a feel for the world space.

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I ultimately don't want to commit to a character and stories if I don't like the playstyle selections I've made, and will often restart early playthroughs if it doesn't feel engaging or fun.

So investing in a storyline that I'm just going to bail on half way through because I don't like how my character is turning out, is just wasted time.

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I feel a strong loyalty to my first character in any game I play. Which is why I was sad I couldn't move my Vampire archer from 360 to special edition when they came out.

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I still remember the summer of 2015, finally doing the crimson Nirnroot quest. Without a guide. It was horrible but I remember it so vividly lol.

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I like to explore the story as a whole, not simply quests/questlines.

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Where do you think the elder scrolls 6 will take place and plot

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Where do I THINK?

Hammerfell.

What do I THINK the plot will be?

Thalmor am bad, HoonDing must stop them.

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Hey my fellow eso players!

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Good evening.

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I hope either the Hiradirge or the Sload feature prominently

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Or something completely out of left field

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ES2 was political intrigue in the Iliac Bay region oriented around Numidium and the Underking.

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ES3 - a demigod using the heart of a Dead God wants to employ it to power up a new Numidium and conquer Tamriel, while a weakening trio of demigods tries to stop him.

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ES4 - Mehrunes Dagon tries to absorb Mundus into his Oblivion plane.

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ES5 - Alduin emerges from the Time Wound to either reconquer Skyrim for the dragons or possibly destroy Mundus (it wasn't really clear to me which)

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So: I think we can hypothesize that the PC will be equipped with great power of some sort to oppose somebody or several somebodies (who may or may not be working together) that also have or want to possess great power, and the entire world could very well be at stake.

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I'm certain as can be that ES6 will be in HF. Sword Singing is probably going to be the PC's great power, and he'll be naturally gifted in it (echoes of the Thu'um, naturally.) What the opposition will be I can't guess, though the Hiradirge have been mentioned several times in board conversations and the possibility that they or someone backing them want to bring about the End Times.

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ESO has us stop Molag Bal from absorbing Nirn, protect Nirn from a triad of Daedric Princes trying to re-write the world, fight off a horde of dragons in Elsweyr, stop a werewolf/vampire army from consuming the souls of everyone in Skyrim, stop Mehrunes Dagon from doing a trial run of TESIV, political intrigue among three alliances, playing around with shrooms and tentacles in Apocrypha, and now tip-toeing over broken glass in West Weald.

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We could cut to the chase by getting Todd Howard to tell us when ES6 is coming out and what it will be about. Does anyone feel like asking him?

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I know what I would do... And it's not Hammerfell.

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It'd be Blackmarsh, the non-human neutral territory in the tense Empire/Dominion geopolitical climate.

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Because Humans are lame, and the Dominion needs more buildup before we go there.

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Eahh probably hammerfell because of the clues from Skyrim npcs mentioned it

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You can fish for whatever clues you want. There's weapon smugglers from Blackmarsh, rumours of rebellion in Valenwood, purges in Highrock.

It all depends on what most-likely-meaningless background passing you want to cherry pick

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But, I do tend to agree. I expect Hammerfell. Hammerfell and Highrock, if they're feeling particularly half assed.

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But I think, and hope, they're smarter than that, and will focus on a single province so they can invest their one and resources into making it the best they can. Instead of spreading that effort across two, and halfassing each.

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I try not to look into it as deeply, it's not as nonsensical as say COD Zombie EE's. Simply put, I just look at the trailer and the first thing that comes off the top of my head is High Rock. And that's it till more official news.. As for map expansion, prob more realms added (not just Oblivion ones, and possibly some seafaring, since they started doing the vehicle thing in Starfield with ships and upcoming rovers).

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I could go for Highrock. But after 2 decades of very generic Medieval Fantasy, I know I'd be hesitant to go back to the MOST generic Medieval Fantasy province.

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Sure, theres a lot of really interesting things you COULD do with Highrock as well. But the make it unique and memorable in an increasingly oversaturated fantasy market, you'd have to significantly overhaul what we know about the region.

For the better, IMO, as Highrock is... Oblivion levels of boring as it stands.

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But it's still a lot of work that'd need to be done.

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I wouldn't mind some changes to high rock for the better

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If I were to approach a Highrock game, personally... Not going into the actual changes I'd make, but just focusing on the main plot...

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But it's not just hr, genericness can persist in any of the provinces, just depends on the writers.

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I'd focus it around the disharmony of the Cities and the untamed wilds of the interior. Go full into the March of the Ents, with the wilds lashing out at the abuses of the 'Civilised folk', and the PC having to navigate the ancient Nedic wildercults and the cities to find a new way forward.

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I remember a road that swings around the peninsula where Solitude is and proceeds to the SW. If you follow it along the shore and then up thru the forests on the hillside above the sea of ghosts, you'll pass Castle Volkihar and also the Thalmor fort. Keep going, and eventually the road dead ends into a hillside, though you can still see some ways to the SW. That was the boundary between HR and Skyrim, and I would like to see that road 'completed' from one side or the other. There was something about that road that made me want to continue walking.

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That's definitely a danger of having roads that lead out of the playable area.

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Working on trivia questions for a Elder Scrolls trivia night on Monday.

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Theme is The Empire/Cyrodil since it's going to be for Gold Road console launch

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for example

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Question 13 - When Remen was born, what was said to be slotted in his chest?

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Trick question, nothing.

The amulet of kings was in his forehead

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Thank you

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It's part of the challenge round, so their all tricker questions

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SO. Scribing is pretty awesome.

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It's limited by the game and the components, but it's basically what I've been arguing for years that Spellcrafting SHOULD have been. Instead of the early 2000s Microsoft Office hellscape that it actually was.

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I think it definitely needs some more refinement and expansion, but it's a great starting point.

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# feral viper Aren't we all?

Considering Nuka Cola Quantum and also Nukashine over in Appalachia had Nuclear Material as ingredients, it’s not wrong.

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I was specifically referencing Strontium-90, the isotope in Quantum, which was created by nuclear blasts. It's bonding reaction is identical to Calcium, leading to low quantities of it in the bones of everyone alive post-nucelar testing due to our DNA being unable to distinguish the two elements.

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All Scribing needs is some actual formulaic structure ala Solomonic Magic.

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When in oblivion are we getting elder scrolls 6

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Sometime between tomorrow... And the heat death of the universe.

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People who have played ESO: is leveling like Skyrim, where you gain a skill by using it? Could you theoretically max out all skills by practicing them?

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going to install TES Arena off my Elder Scrolls Anthology. Never played it

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Weren't they working on starfield prior to the next-gen release (series x)?

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I hope the next elder scrolls 6 will have ways to prevent npc death like from enemies that come to attack settlements

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# nimble pond Weren't they working on starfield prior to the next-gen release (series x)?

Yeah, I remember - TH said that BGS had been working on SF for 25 years. At the same time, they must have had a crew of some size working on ES6 - after all, once an ES title is released, the early concept work for its successor is supposed to begin almost immediately. And they must have been doing SOMETHING, because otherwise we wouldn't have seen that 2018 promo video. With that in mind, I'm sure they're farther along on ES6 than they're letting on.

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Think they'll have really dangerous sandstorms or even storms at sea in ES6? I'm listening to "Like A Hurricane" by Neil Young and the idea just came to mind.

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If it's Hammerfell, I'm sure they will try..

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I would just like to see tides introduced. Seems like a tiny detail but tiny details matter for immersion

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Tides going out could reveal underwater caverns and stuff too

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Ok... Leo Torres' latest 'true scale Tamriel' video is... Something else.

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By 'something else', do you mean it's awesome beyond words, it's NOT a video, it's NOT true scale, or some other interpretation?

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I'm guessing it's this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeEBd4QNayk (hope it's ok to post the link here)

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What Would a Lore-Accurate Imperial City Look Like? | A Portrait of...

Long requested and awaited… the Imperial City! Part of an ongoing project to visualise a more realistic and lore accurate scale to Tamriel’s cities – here we have the Imperial City, capital of the Tamrielic Empire – now with sixteen times the detail!

Pretty much the biggest Elder Scrolls project I’ve done so far in terms of scale. The purpose o...

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Looking at the Leo Torres Whiterun video right now - looks like a realistic Whiterun is an absolute dump. It's practically a ruin.

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I find alot of his videos are... Not spectacularly representative of cities. In particular, I think he uses too much plant scatter, with grasses and scrub being everywhere. Yes, it creates visual interest, but that stuff would be trampled to mid in any functioning city.

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Well, if you happen to recall it sometime lemme know

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# nimble pond Well, if you happen to recall it sometime lemme know

To tell you the truth when it was live streaming that’s when I saw it if you go back to the Skyrim grandma casting it won’t show I’ve tried so to tell you the truth it could be factions it could not be but any at all but I saw vampires but I’m not 100% sure what it really was so that’s all

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Vampires? Sounds like something out of Redfall, but it could just been one of those skooma nights 😄

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So they have ghosts, but has there been like poltergeists? I see ESO had few instances of it. But it'd be cool to walk in a house with everything flinging around and at me.

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_<

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anyone know how long it normally takes for eso support to reply to a ticket?

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sorry i couldn’t find other servers for it dyk any discord servers that’ll work

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There isn't an official discord server used for communicating with Zenimax Online Studios for ESO. They have an official discord that is solely for announcements.

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If it interests anyone, there was a TH interview earlier that might have some TESVI info? However vague.. I ain't had time to watch it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ew8LQFGNWU

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Matty Interviews Todd Howard: Future Of Fallout, Starfield Year 2, ...

Today, I am joined by Todd Howard to discuss the future of Bethesda Game Studios! As I'm sure you expected, we get into the thick of what's happening with Fallout. The series is at its most popular, so what's happening with the upcoming games? The same could be asked for Elder Scrolls which hasn't seen a mainline entry since 2011, so I did just ...

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I think there's a serious risk to that sort of long-term support thinking in general. At least for these sorts of games..

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One of the biggest weaknesses of Starfield is the relatively shallow worldbuilding and lack of cultural development and distinction between major factions. They're expressed as one dimensional tropes rather than actual living, breathing societies.

Whether this is because they are intended to be fleshed out later, or because of a More is Better philosophy of worldbuilding, doesn't really matter in this case.

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If the same approach is taken with TES, then you either end up with multiple provinces with shallow development, or a piecemeal story that fails to explore the cultural and mythical identity of its core culture cohesively. Both are negatives.

And if you focus hard on one province, and don't justice... But then expand to other provinces later, you're encountering the latter problem again. You're stripping the cultural identity of others away for the sake of shoehorning in the PC and the cultural presence the main story is built around

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The HoonDing, for instance, has no cultural relevance in Highrock or Valenwood. So starting with Hammerfell and then expanding to Valenwood wouldn't make any sense.

Unless you just make the expansion stories entirely self contained and having no bearing on anything in previous games in the support lifetime.

But then you end up with major timeline problems that just increase the amount of work you have to do for TES7 down the road.

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So, you either sacrifice the identity of the various people's and cultures of Tamriel to chase the Long Term Support Unicorn, or you effectively make multiple stand alone games under the illusionary umbrella of a single title.

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I'm wondering what TH has in mind exactly with his '10 year support' idea. Is he implying that the gap between ES6 and ES7 will be 10 years? I'm wondering if MSFT execs have agreed to that. My guess is that they would want ES7 to come out sooner, assuming ES6 is a big success.

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# pale walrus I'm wondering what TH has in mind exactly with his '10 year support' idea. Is he...

I doubt that's what he meant. If we examine what they are currently doing we see that Skyrim Anniversay Edition came out after Fallout 4 was released and the most recent update for Fallout 4 came out after Starfield was released. Fallout 76's Skyline Valley expansion has also come out after Starfield was released. This leads me to believe that they intend to maintain support for previously released games after the newest game has been released.

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Well, I mean... The gap between TES5 and TES6 has already been 13. Sooo...

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Yup. A friend told me yesterday BGS was going to continue to release story content every year for Starfield? I imagine they might be planning the same for the next TES

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I just hope it isn't more microtransactions in single play games. Ain't worth a dime.

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Microtransactions are fine. So long as they're done responsibly and actually add content.

So, you know... Unlikely under current industry practices, but LSC doesn't make them inherently bad.

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If they're going to do that at least give a cheaper 10yr season pass to go along with title purchase. Already paid for the game, how much more do you want?

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Well, if they continue to develop it long term, they probably want to be able to pay wages.

But the issue has never been microtransactions themselves. It's the pricing models and content thresholds that are used by the industry to abuse a perfectly valid dynamic.

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$5.99 for horse armour? Absurd.

$0.99? Now you're moving digital goods.

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I mean those lil transactions add up for seemingly less content than they are actually worth. Ends up being enough to have bought another game entirely with way more content for your buck.

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It definitely can. But again, LSC at play there.

The problem isn't the dynamic it's self. The problem is the exploitative use of the system to minimise work while maximising profit at the expense of any semblance of ethics.

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But we can't just rely on store to make something long-term either. Have to develop it to where the game itself is always fresh and new encounters/experiences no matter how many playthrus you have under your belt.

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I don't think such a dream is possible yet. It's an end goal, sure, but the actual technology to achieve that goal simply doesn't exist currently.

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One thing I wish they'd do is seasons. I'd thoroughly enjoy walking the same roads only to find a vastly altered environment than the last time I passed thru.

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And the obvious of course, larger game (in terms of content). But not to the point where it's stretched so much to the point where everything is broad.

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Really, I'd settle for a mechanically solid game that actually refines it's ideas in a functional way. Even if it means a smaller more linear game.

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Actually create a foundation to build off, instead of shallow and poorly refined gameplay that only allows for superficial differences.

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Linear? I couldn't go for it on TES. Maybe on some smaller indie steam game

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Yes, smaller and and more linear is the opposite of what I want from an Elder Scrolls game.

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I don't exactly WANT it, but I'd take it if it means a game that's actually mechanically well rounded.

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It'd be nice if environmental areas themselves were larger. Like on the map actual named forests.. Sort of like larger self-contained maps within the whole province map. I wouldn't mind load screens for that.

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Nor would I, in general. So long as moving between them involves a bit more actual gameplay than, say Starfield.

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I could go for that

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If it's along the same lines of : Enter a zone, fight a single enemy, move to next zone, fight 3 enemies in a cave, move to next zone... So you're only playing for like 5 minutes at a time before the next loading screen...

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Balance needed so its not that often. Smaller zones should not require so many load screens.

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But my core issue is... I wouldn't mind a smaller, even more linear TES6, if it was mechanically sound enough to allow for really robust expansion.

Like, of the game launches with only the Main quest, and a few side quests. But expansions later add say the Fighters Guild, a Political Story, etc.

And instead of trying to get all that into the base game, they took the time to make the basic mechanics really robust and able to handle diverse gameplay and options.

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I'd prefer a 'full' TES game right out of the gate of course.

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But Bethesda's gameplay is getting more dated by the year, and there's not a whole lot being done to address it. At this point, the mechanics need as much attention as the lackluster worldbuilding of the last 2 mainline TES games.

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So a season pass then.

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Ish. I'm not fond of seasons passes as a dynamic, but they aren't the worst thing.

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But I'm not sure that'd solve the issue. They already get a lot of dev time and still have bugs. And ya know, it's not even just on them, I see it happen in smaller games by other developers as well. It just comes with the games.. but I do understand the lowered expectations and the reasoning for having them regarding development history. But you gotta keep trying and stay positive.

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So I accept it as it is, trying to change it is just going to change the soul of the game entirely, unfortunately, which I like the way they do their games and wouldn't want to change that. The other details can be fixed and better balanced.

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Opening up new realms would be enticing too. Whether they do different realms with each title or just open up bit by bit of oblivion (as long it's diverse, not just a mass of fiery wastes 😴 like it's this mass of vastly different environments. Hell, some of which could even be entirely underwater or in the sky) per title and how it correlates with the focused province.

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I accept nothing. Acceptance is defeat, and progress must never be defeated!

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Harharhar, agreed (you'd make a fine stormcloak soldier yet! 😉). But I would never want to change the soul of TES. no no no

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Well, I also don't subscribe to the ideas of 'Souls' either. But that's a very long winded discussion for another time.

nimble pond
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Whether you believe or not, I think the meaning is understood in it's own context. Right? And lucky you, no fear of being soul-trapped by defiled necro's.

feral viper
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I do understand the sentiment, yes.

celest cloak
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Wanted to try ESO again for the first time since I originally bought it for Xbox One. Put it in my Series X, installed the game, and now it's saying I need a console update to play. My console is fully updated. I tried turning off the Xbox at the wall and turning it on again with the same issue. Is Xbox One Tamriel Unlimited not working on Series X?

eager remnant
nimble pond
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But after thinking about it for some time, I do think there is a place for a more pirate-focused storyline or headline theme. I don't think ship sailing should be the crutch to rely on for that. To be frank, more adequate water exploration and ship sailing should already be a base thing. Because afterwards it's presence just becomes redundant in the next titles if you build it up to be this big standalone thing now. So, I'd rather they do more realms and various islands/continents surrounding the province as opposed to just relying on ships and sailing to be the "new content" when water has already been around throughout the series, just under-used.

pale walrus
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I'm actually not all that keen on a pirate-based storyline. I'm worried it's going to wind up being like THIS:

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I saw part of the first film and skipped the rest of that one and all its successors.

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Now if a pirate story was more akin to, say, Treasure Island or Sabatini's related stories (The Sea Hawk, Captain Blood), then it could be more interesting.

nimble pond
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If Disney ever gets into a Bethesda game, bury me with my rum. 💀

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We could have Aladdin - Hammerfell, The Jungle Book/Lion King - Elsweyr, and The Princess & the Frog - Black Marsh.

nimble pond
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Now that I mention it. I wonder if coconuts will ever be weaponized in TES. Even used as cannon balls.

pale walrus
nimble pond
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Yes

fleet vine
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I think the main problem with TESVI is going to be the absence of Jeremy Soule.

feral viper
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I'm not too broken up about it. I honestly think Morrowind was his best contribution to the franchise, musically.

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Not his best work though. That was Total Annihilation.

fleet vine
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Yes...there are very good composers out there...but I think Jeremy had that storyteller touch while making TES music that fits perfectly. Inon is very formulaic. Like there's something lacking.

feral viper
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I never really found that. But music is subjective and all.

fleet vine
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True...and you and me are very far away regarding this subject I suppose.

livid ingot
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The best we can do is wait and see

feral viper
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What we need is, less orchestral. More metal.

pale walrus
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How about a soundtrack inspired by the annual Obscene Extreme festival in the Czech Republic? I can just imagine my PC walking into an area in HF consisting of forests, glades, babbling brooks and graceful deer, hopping bunnies and squirrels, accompanied by a soundtrack slice from Brujeria or Vader.

rose fjord
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Do you think that elder scrolls 6 will be on current gen consoles

eager remnant
rose fjord
rose fjord
pale walrus
rose fjord
pale walrus
rose fjord
solar gust
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I feel like I’m alone in this. But I really wish Bethesda would create their own version of Elder Scroll’s Online. I know Todd Howard, and I think the administration team as a whole doesn’t want to run the risk of a game “cannibalizing” another game. However, I really do like how Bethesda built the world of Fallout 76, but I would love it if it was built in the Middle Ages setting like The Elder Scrolls. I simply just think that it would be nice to get a newer story line with modernized graphics, and created under the new creation engine.

pale walrus
rose fjord
obtuse magnet
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they probably won't ever make one though sadly

pale walrus
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Why do you want BGS to create such a thing when Zenimax already has and is clearly doing an excellent job at it? I am at a loss to understand what it is you are precisely seeking. Please explain.

forest surge
obtuse magnet
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i mean im not calixo but i do agree with what he said so ill give my reason, which is yeah eso is just a "regular" mmo with an elder scrolls coat of paint on it whereas id like to see one that actually functions like an elder scrolls game and has a smaller scale (like how 76 can only have like 20 was it? people per server)

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eso feels very bloated in comparison and idk i just find the creation engine "cozy" for bethesda games, the way it all interacts i suppose u could say "it just works" for me

forest surge
rose fjord
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Anyone think that the elder scrolls 6 will come out 2026 comments would be helpful

forest surge
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The only thing that would make 76’s content better is just it all being free when added in comparison to ESO where your buying the new dungeons, Expansions. ect

obtuse magnet
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i guess my actual desire is a co-op TES game

solar gust
forest surge
obtuse magnet
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i prefer bethesdas writing and worldbuilding to eso as well personally which is why i think an alternate take on an online game from them would be interesting despite being very unlikely

solar gust
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I just wish Bethesda would tap into the casual “Co-Op” style of gaming. Starfield with 2-4 player Co-Op. Skyrim with 2-4 player Co-Op. Fallout with 2-4 player Co-Op. This is a healthy mix between people who want to experience their games alone, or people who want to have a GENUINE experience with their friends.

obtuse magnet
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trueee

forest surge
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The issue I have with Bethesda’s worldbuilding is that ever since Morrowind they haven’t really done much to add to the races of Tamriel, the Imperials really didn’t get much and the Nords aren’t any better at times when it comes to culture among other things

obtuse magnet
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that's v fair, i just dislike how in eso there's so much going on that i got tired of it and just sort of tapped out, like i wouldn't be able to get invested because every time eso releases anything it's some big bad event and they have to keep topping that with bigger and badder events and every time they do it just feels progressively less real, like no individual plot has weight when there's so much "narrative inflation"- and yeah i guess thsts just an mmo thing too but idk, i feel like it could be fixed somehow in a different game, bethesdas stories come across as more grounded to me (specifically when compared to eso that is)

livid ingot
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I don't think I'd be completely happy with Co-Op. Ideally (and I stress ideally) I'd like maybe four people (or more) being able to log on, have free access to the world, and log off whenever they please. That way you would instigate real roleplaying. Players can run off and do their own thing, run into another player in a tavern, team up for a dungeon, and then go their separate ways. If a player does a quest, that quest will no longer be available to other players. Changes in the world would affect everyone. And the only people sharing this world with you would be people you want to be there.
edit: and you can fight each other and steal from each other if you want, lol

obtuse magnet
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like the plot/setting/whatever feels bloated and commodified, like here's a mushroom blue flame daedra astral horse for you to buy, here's a 7th world ending event, here's a new daedric prince... it's just kinda exhausting imo lol but no shade to zenimax or eso players ofc, it's just not my preference

obtuse magnet
forest surge
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Personally it’s whatever to me as this is the interregnum, the point in History where everything is going crazy everywhere and history wasn’t exactly well recorded during that time

rose fjord
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Who here thinks elder scrolls 6 might release in 2026

obtuse magnet
rose fjord
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And that the dlc will soon follow

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And to my knowledge they’ve been working on it for a long time

eager remnant
rose fjord
eager remnant
rose fjord
pale walrus
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Fallout 3 - 2008

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Skyrim - 2011

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Fallout 4 - 2015

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Fallout 76 - 2018

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Starfield - 2023

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This means ES6 really should be due 2026-2028. I assume the former.

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The SF delay was COVID, I think, so it was 2 years off.

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We good now, Dragonstrong?

nimble pond
nimble pond
rose fjord
glass marlin
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That's what is in production atm.

livid ingot
pale walrus
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yup. I'm guessing Q4 2026. I was told there will be...CAKE.

livid hound
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Is there anyway I can get involved in Skyrim Castles Softlaunch?

Or do I have to wait till my country is added

fleet vine
fresh latch
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I wonder if will come to PS5 as well

wooden obsidian
feral viper
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Late Q3, early Q4 2028 more likely.

livid ingot
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I agree with Terical.

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But you guys know the mods don't like people speculating on the release date

feral viper
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Oh, I wasn't talking about release dates. I was talking about the apocalypse.

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Entirely unrelated... You know what apocalypse really just shook me as a kid?

The Zentradi glassing Earth in Macross. A whole season of trying to get back to Earth, and the aliens just wipe out 70% of the planet.

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I was primed for civilisation ending devastation long before Red Mountain errupted.

spiral gull
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Hey everyone grew up playing Morrowind, just found out Bethesda has a discord. So here I am

pale walrus
nimble pond
nimble pond
feral viper
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Look. It's 35c here right now, a full 20c above my comfort zone. I'll take even a moderately paced apocalypse over this slow barbecue in my own skin.

pale walrus
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Count your blessings. It's warmer here, and when I went out for an hour earlier I became faint. Still feel out of sorts.

lean socket
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Does everyone like the new DLC

livid ingot
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What new DLC?

pale walrus
lean socket
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Whaaaat lol it's Gold Road!!!! On elder scrolls online

violet lily
lean socket
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Ohhhh like skyrim lol I play it more than ESO.

feral viper
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Indeed.

nimble pond
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Wtf

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Well hot damn. I was about to ask if Ithelia clicked her heels three times to get back home from the yellow brick road. But nvm.

pale walrus
rose fjord
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Do you think elder scrolls 6 will have under armor

feral viper
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Well, if we want to get technical, Skyrim and Oblivion has under armour, it was just INCLUDED with the outer armour as the equipable item..

rose fjord
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Elder Scrolls 6 when should I be expecting it to release

livid ingot
rose fjord
gray oyster
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How about official ports of all mainline TES games for mobile platforms? I am confident that the newer chipsets would be more than enough to run Oblivion and maybe even 32bit Skyrim.

warped quarry
feral viper
gray oyster
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Plus it supports customized design for each game.

slow owl
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anybody else having connection issues for eso?

eager remnant
slow owl
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apologies

gloomy anchor
solar gust
gloomy anchor
hidden herald
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Essentially, some Bethesda moderators help out over there and here.
You won't get in contact with Zos developers here, so usually would be best to discuss ESO from their official forums.

rose fjord
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Do you think that they will introduce a new playable race in es6

livid ingot
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I also think there's a possibility that they may change up how they handle the races in the next game. Like instead of "Imperial" you might choose "Colovian" or "Nibenese." But I'd say that is probably unlikely as well

bright siren
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I could see them doing it similar to the backgrounds system from starfield, not so much full on “subraces”

pale walrus
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Might be difficult. Think about it - even in Skyrim, your tribal choice could elicit reactions from NPCs. Expanding the selection also expands the interactions that need to be included in-game. Not that this is an insuperable problem - in fact, it could provide some great options for gameplay. But it does become yet another set of tasks for the developers.

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Might be some other complications as well, now that I think about it. For instance - let's say I wanted to play as a Sload. Nobody really likes those guys 😜 . Will Sload be prohibited from entering certain buildings, towns or other public areas? Since the Sload do not worship any of the divines (Aedra or Daedra), can my character take advantage of any blessings at shrines? How are the local authorities going to react to me? Am I really going to be able to travel in the desert? Will I be able to use all the weapons and armors?

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Some choices could be fascinating. For instance - playing as a Maormer or Tsaesci or any of the other 3 akaviri tribes, as suggested previously. But I would like some 'cultural' support built into the game. I'd like to meet some of my countrymen, have access to at least some of the traditional clothing, weapons and armor, that sort of thing. Can BGS support this?

pale walrus
eager remnant
pale walrus
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Need to read that. Thanks, PW 😀

pale walrus
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@eager remnant Thanks for those links, bro. Upon reading them, I have mixed feelings. They could be great, though you have to learn how to pick the combinations of traits and backgrounds. Then again, it would be nice to be able to pick and choose more freely. (Yeah, I know - always asking for more. 😜 )

feral viper
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Like many things, Starfield's backgrounds and traits are a decent proof of concept, but ultimately cover too little and impose too mAny awkward restrictions.

languid basalt
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I need help, my beth account in Skyrim decided to kick me off and I tried linking again and it gave me an error code. Saying “Account linking failed” how do I fix this ?

feral viper
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You shouldn't need to link again, you should just be able to log in.

languid basalt
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I was getting nods installed when it said the server disconnected or sm like that

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I tried linking again but it said failed to linking account

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I guess the server went down

rose fjord
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Anyone know if elder scrolls 6 will be on Xbox series x or next gen consoles if anyone got a good guess would be helpful

pale walrus
languid basalt
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It’s fixed now

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The server prob went down

pale walrus
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You've asked this before, bro...more than once....

rose fjord
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I mean if they do release es6 in 2026 early then that would give them time enough to make dlc

languid basalt
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I doubt it my guy

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Games like these take awhile

feral viper
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We also don't know how long the lifecycle of the current console generation will be. So it's impossible to really even guess, let alone give any reasonable estimation.

rose fjord
forest surge
feral viper
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That's been the trend, but sometimes it's shifted to shorter as well. A lot of it depends on the market, as well as whether or not there is a major shift in tech during the life cycle.

rose fjord
feral viper
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I know Sony and Microsoft were talking about a 10 year lifespan for this generation, but that doesn't mean it actually WILL be.

rose fjord
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I’ve just got insight from a Xbox expert and he said quote elder scrolls 6 is slated for this generation. But I don’t know if that’s true

minor dew
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elder scrolls6 will never get the same reception due to it only being on xbox

rose fjord
minor dew
feral viper
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Xbox is it's single largest market, traditionally more than Sony and PC combined. It's impact will be fine.

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It's also not guaranteed that it will be an Xbox Exclusive. Microsoft has been pushing for cross platform releases rather than exclusivity.

At least for now. That may change in the future.

minor dew
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its not gonna change and playstaion was the biggest push for these titles

feral viper
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Sure, you keep thinking that.

minor dew
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what

feral viper
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Like I said, Xbox was over and above their biggest market. PlayStation was not their biggest push, and never had been.

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It's not even clear if PS outsold PC for the games.

minor dew
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any groups that made this game where playstation players

feral viper
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Trying to argue with a PlayStation diehard is like trying to reason with a brick wall. And I'm done with the futility.

Have fun.

minor dew
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60 miilion ps5s sold 27 xbox series s sold

feral viper
minor dew
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people are still playing the s ., games on there 360

rose fjord
minor dew
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what

feral viper
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There's a lot of market complexities involved, and going into the specifics would border on writing an Economic Honours dissertation.

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The total number of console sales also isn't relevant, because there are over half a billion gaming PCs sold in the same period of time. So total platform sales aren't really as relevant as the actual sales of the games themselves.

minor dew
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there on xbox now, but lifting that xbox controller makes me know, elder scrolls 6 will not recieve the same reviews

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ii would say xbox is bottom tier

feral viper
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Eew. You think the song controller is more comfortable?

minor dew
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yes!

feral viper
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I mean, the current Xbox controller is no Duke, but like...

Though, all gamepads are trash tier IMO. Mouse and Keyboard are the only way to game..

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Unless it's a flight game, in which case HOTAS is peak.

minor dew
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I rarely play xbox great wee game on it called vampire survivors though

rose fjord
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Also Sony got territorial about Xbox poaching some of their game companies and sued Xbox and set them back

feral viper
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It was way more complicated than that.

rose fjord
feral viper
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And Sony DID have a point, conceptually. But since they are guilty of the exact same practices, their ethical soapbox was really just theatrics.

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Of course, Ethics need not apply in Business.

minor dew
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I may be of course here, but to me, games where for epople who felt they didnt really fit

feral viper
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Once upon a time, maybe. They've evolved into something far more broad now.

minor dew
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yeah even playstation

feral viper
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They're just another diverse entertainment media that can appeal to everyone across the board

minor dew
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yeah true that,thats why i say gamings not what it used to be , but theres still plenty of games

feral viper
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I find, as I get older, I use them more as my social outlet since... You know, going out as an adult is weirdly laborious.

minor dew
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that latest sony conference was absolute otuwe but.

feral viper
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I'll be honest I do not even follow Sony's games. I haven't owned a console since like 2008, and since Sony drags it's feet on PC releases, I simply do not care what they get up to.

minor dew
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what system do you play on

feral viper
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By the time their games make it to PC, any inkling of interest I've had has long since dried up, and I've moved on to other things.

There are dozens of games to keep me engaged, I can't be bothered to wait on them.

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I am exclusively PC. If it doesn't come to PC on launch, I don't even pay attention to it.

minor dew
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xbox games arent pc worth

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sony are

feral viper
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Unless it's really, REALLY good and I keep constantly hearing about it right up to its PC launch. Which... I honestly can think of a single title that did that.

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I don't think I've even played a Sony Studios game in a decade.

minor dew
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yeah man i feel ya, i still go back to the classics though

feral viper
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No, wait, I did play The Last Of Us on my brother's PS4.

I uuh... I was not impressed.

minor dew
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I like the assassins creeds so lloking forward to this assassins creed shadows

feral viper
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Naughty Dog's gameplay is generally pretty mid.

Ubisoft is a... Weird company.

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Like, some of my favourite games are from Ubisoft. I adore Heroes of Might and Magic and Anno. But I don't think I've liked a single blockbuster from them since Black flag.

minor dew
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blag flag was my least favourite assisn creed game

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no wait 3

feral viper
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Oh man, I LOVED it. So much so, Skill and Bones was... Just...

minor dew
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yeah it was online just,was not expecting that

feral viper
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Like, let's take out everything fun from Black Flag, out nothing new in, and then charge $100 for it..

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This is something that will shock people around here, coming from me.

Oblivion was less disappointing than Skull and Bones.

minor dew
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uh new world, ac shadows,sra wars oulaws, metro waking,flintock siege of dawn,these will be the games il playing rest of year,,,,wow, and starfield update

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f is free on gamepass but il probly still buy it on ps5

rose fjord
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But do you think es6 is coming to this generation of consoles

minor dew
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nah man they always be games

feral viper
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PROBABLY. Though it could be towards the tail end of it.

minor dew
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it just take bad spells at tiems,....,.,. replaying deus ex at

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aw sorry misread

feral viper
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If anything, it's likely to be a cross-generation game with near simultaneous releases on gen9 and gen10

rose fjord
minor dew
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i really wann see a fallout on the os5

feral viper
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Assuming that Gen10 has a 2027ish release window.

rose fjord
feral viper
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I am personally expecting late 2028 to early 2030, based on current tech and market trends.

minor dew
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eso

feral viper
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Is aight. Kinda hit or miss for me, narrative wise.

minor dew
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playing a bit of fallout 76 at the min,its not gonnn last

feral viper
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Scribing is a great system. Or at least a basis of one..

minor dew
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alaikir desert is a bad zone

feral viper
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I've actually relapsed into Sins of a Solar Empire... Waiting for the sequel to release in September...

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Hoping to finally learn what the Vasari are running from..

rose fjord
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I hope next year at summer games fest will announce that they are actually coming out with it seriously it’s been apocalyptic

feral viper
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Sentient Nanite Swarm, of Metastability caused by abuse of Phase Space?

Stay tuned to find out!

minor dew
rose fjord
minor dew
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yeah

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fingers crossed

feral viper
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I am perfectly comfortable waiting another 5 years, if it means hammering out a well rounded and written story.

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Well... And mechanics...

rose fjord
minor dew
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they say its in pre procuction that should mean pretty soon

feral viper
minor dew
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which is strange....,.,., waiting on that skyrim flame to burn

feral viper
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That said, they have stumbled on narrative for both Fallout 4 and Starfield. While both improve the general storytelling structure and pacing over Skyrim, they... Do not execute on concept or character in any remotely evocative way.

minor dew
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with elder scrolls being so magical the story twlling is probably dulled down, to make it an easy life and play game

feral viper
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Both have shown notable improvements in gameplay as well, but Bethesda's gameplay remains quite a ways behind the industry as a whole, only now catching up to gameplay standards that have been in place for a decade (such as Vaulting on obstacles).

So they have a lot of work to do.

rose fjord
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Hope they bring back lycanthropy

minor dew
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.....not blow me away like the last ps5 gig

minor dew
feral viper
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Not mechanically, but conceptually.

rose fjord
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Yeah never turned into a vampire

minor dew
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i used to love magic man but its been a while

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since i played a good good magic game

feral viper
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I mean in terms of the world, setting and overall style of TES. Not necessarily mechanically.

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It really feels like SOMEONE wants TES to be a Low Magic setting. For whatever boring reason.

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But that part of a general problem with art design and worldbuilding over the last 20 years for TES that is utterly devoid of individual character or consistent stylistic identity.

minor dew
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final fantasy 16 was whatever, fiaal fantasy reborth and dragons dogma are shi.,te

feral viper
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I have heard mixed things about Rebirth. But mostly because of how they seem to be changing the story.

Aerith MUST die. Her death is such a pivotal and crucial narrative element, that I just do not see how they can create the same sort of impact otherwise.m

minor dew
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ive never felt that psersonally ive always felt elders scrolls was magic based, but i think the both of us are basically saying are own preferences

feral viper
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Morrowind was the last mainline TES game that had any 'Soul'.

Really, I'd go so far as to say it's the only one that had one, period..

minor dew
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i only played 30 painful hours smilar with dragond dogama

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felt like i had my head in an oven

feral viper
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ESO manages to mimic a soul from time to time, but often falls into the same... Generic 'Baby's first Fantasy World' pitfalls that have plagued the franchise.

minor dew
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there have been some good final fantasies even in recent years

feral viper
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14 is, by and large, still fantastic.

minor dew
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7,10,12,13-2, 14 was ok, 15 was aight, 16 was decent, yeah

feral viper
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And it least super hard into Magic as part of the setting. To the point of actually embracing it's natural integration into technology.

minor dew
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its all magical scenes man its not really magic any more in the game

feral viper
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One thing FF14 does really well, is recognising that there is no line between Science and Magic. If magic exists, it becomes PART of science, and applying the same sort of reasoning to it becomes a natural development of its use.

minor dew
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yeah man depresses me but i played quite a bit

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nice community but no end game

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ihad a real nice time on the first expansion,especially end game but there was so little

feral viper
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I have played far too much of it. Haven't touched it in months, may catch up with the new expansion...

minor dew
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nah gonna try this new world maybe, give wow a go again...maybe

feral viper
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I'm the type where... I don't care about raids and end game stuff. I'm playing for story, and to experience things. So when I'm caught up, and all that's left is the slow equipment grind... I tap out and play something else for awhile.

minor dew
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yeah i dont mind that eithe but it kinda makes the game too cause you reach your own linit

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final fantasy it was done and that was it which wasc ool

feral viper
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The only games I seem to be able to play ad-infinitum are Stellaris, and Rimworld.

minor dew
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let me google them

feral viper
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4x space strategy, and a Colony Manager/story generator.

minor dew
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pc games

rose fjord
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I think they’ll say something about es6 next year or announce it had to say it too much pc talk

minor dew
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yeah id say so dragon

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world of warcraft is the only game ive played on pc, intend to go back there too,lets fn go?

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gonna try a game at the minute called syberia th world before,anyone ever played,...sprry for gong off topic

rose fjord
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Can’t wait to get the smart Alec thalmor

minor dew
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just bought it was onl£8 on playsation,hopefully will pass the time that flintock come out

feral viper
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I will probably end up going back to WoW when the new expansion drops. At this point, the Sunk Cost Fallacy is strong with me...

minor dew
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those facebook groups where pretty hectic back in the day, back in skyrim

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think those things still be rolling,not how they wer though

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a picture here and there

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od im wired now never sleep

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later folks

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breton mage ftw VBThumbsDown

rose fjord
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Bretons are awesome my favorite race

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Burn thalmor burn

glass marlin
rose fjord
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No just want to watch thalmor burn while screaming down with talos burn baby burn 🔥

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If es6 announces next year I’m calling all you guys out

nimble pond
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I just want to see the thalmor suffer the same fate ten fold that they have put on others.

rose fjord
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They’ll probably squeeze in elder scrolls 6 right in the tail end so they can make more money on Xbox series X

pale walrus
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I haven't played ESO. Was Craglorn really that cool? Based on the fact that so many tribes left so many ruins there, along with the prevalence of magic in Elinhir, the Iron Orcs and perhaps even some of the Forsworn (since the eastern Reach is just a stone's throw away), you'd think it would be an exceedingly dangerous region.

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Do you think we’ll get something from next year at summer games fest about es6

pale walrus
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I'm guessing we'll get an announcement 6 months before release. So either Q425 or Q126.

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It's pretty typical for BGS to announce, wait 6 months (doing the final verification/testing during that period), then release. They generally don't drag things out.

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Soooo, back to my original question: is Craglorn all that the article makes it up to be?

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pale walrus
# rose fjord Am I following well enough

Yeah, man. That day when they announce is probably 'code freeze' day, where they stop adding content. Everything from that day to release is testing and bug fixing. And it does indeed avoid going head to head with GTA5 (hadn't thought of that.)

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I'm guessing that we'll see Avowed come out in Q4 of this year, which will cause a plethora of press and commentary to erupt about it - comparing it to ES5 and ES6, Todd Howard getting peppered with questions about how Avowed is the same as/different from ES6, and lots of other froth.

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Sorry, had to drop off - sorry man

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so ive overplayed all games at this point, my skyrim filler has not been there in millenia

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fallout 76 looks like the only viable choice

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# pale walrus Sorry, had to drop off - sorry man

So probably middle next year they will announce es6 and it will release early 2026 is what you’re thinking right because there are multiple websites pointing out that it might come out early 2026 no official date

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multiple websites pointing out
That's baseless speculation at this point. They're just all parroting one another. Bethesda hasn't said anything of the sort.
BGS games are about 4 years apart, with 3 years being the shortest interval we've seen. So even if we take the 3 years, that still puts the projected date at the end of 2026.

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So it would probably be at least a September release date if not after, if you want to give them a minimum of 3 years to rush out the next game

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feral viper
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IF they aim for this generation, and IF the 7 year lifespan prediction holds out.

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That's basing speculation on a lot of unknowns. Which is shaky ground at best, and unproductive in any event.

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But, on the whole, that's why I tend to view speculation on release dates as a waste of time. They are largely based on rumours and wild speculation, and scraped together with either pessimism or wishful thinking being their primary bias.

They aren't productive, aren't really conversational, and have little to no value in discourse.

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Yup, they could wait to be a flagship release to sell consoles

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Bethesda is owned by Microsoft now

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Or, the current generation could be extended into the early 2030s. We simply don't know.

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And attempting to make predictions with so many unknowns is a waste of brain power.

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Which explains why most video game journalism sites regularly engage in such speculation... Since they're basically all brain-drain farms now.

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I also think this functionally worthless, and comes off very much like a child in the back seat screaming 'Are we at the ice cream store yet!'. Asking about it and speculating about it isn't going to make it any faster.

And it's not going to give any sort of constructive input that could potentially result in a better game when it DOES release.

livid ingot
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Makes me think about that one person a little while back who just couldn't accept that the game wasn't on the verge of coming out

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I told them the game was certainly a few more years away and said they should play other games in the meantime

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And they were like - a few more years? no, no I can't wait a few more years

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I was just - OK

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Man, I have been waiting 2 decades for a conclusion to Legacy of Kain.

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And I will continue waiting until I either get it, or die.

But I'm not going to waste precious calories on brain power speculating when or even if it ever gets made. They would be much better spent thinking about how to make it the best it could be.

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Because ultimately, a GOOD game will stand on its own. Regardless of the timeline of its development.

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Which is why I tend to frequently try to steer conversations here towards more mechanical and systematic discussions, rather than just speculating on release dates.

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Well, except for that story. Biological kill switch? Really? Do you even Grade School Biology?

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The actual damage system they had for dismembering zombies was phenomenal though.

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But I also grind my teeth when people take the whole 'DNA is like computer code' hypersiplification analogy seriously, so...

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minor dew
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actually not beena fallout or an edler scrolls in 9 years?

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minor dew
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shes talking about elder scrolls, daggerfall was second one ...i think

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minor dew
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She?

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minor dew
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dead island was the best game last year, pretty it was so short

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dead island starfield and final fantasy 16 for me

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then fallout 76 joke...if it stops disconnecting though it might actually be worth playing

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ive been disconnecting all day 😦

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have the same problem with diablo 4....thinking its my internet connection but weve just installed fiber grrr

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diablo4s **** anyway so no problem there!

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later folks

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Meanwhile this guy over here referring to you as She

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Btw as someone who played Riptide… it was really good

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Eh, that's ok. If I notice, I can correct them, but doesn't actually bother me one way or the other.

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We're having a little trouble staying on topic today. Let's get back to discussing the Elder Scrolls.

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Indeed. Ultimately, I don't think speculating about release windows is a productive use of discussion. Too many unknowns, and too little frame of reference.

Better to spend that time talking about mechanics and wants, rather than when's.

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They should make a elderscrolls tv show

minor dew
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Eew, no.

minor dew
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its got lots of mecahics

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system is the word your looking for, ust tweak it a little, give us a new world,jobs a good un

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Nah, the actual mechanics in TES need a lot of work. Bethesda has shown many over the years that are a good foundation to build off, but they need significant polish.

And combat needs a major redress, because it's honestly terrible..

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Skyrim's progression, Starfield's Backgrounds and Traits, Fallout 4s dialogue... They all serve as good foundations for a truely genre defining RPG, they just need a lot of refinement to make shine.

minor dew
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there all different genres, well not genres there all diffent worlds, strong doesnt fit in elder scrolls

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nether does that guy that wosn the shop in neon

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No, but the mechanics they use still have value.

minor dew
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meaning

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mechanics to me means gameplay

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Elements of it, yes.

minor dew
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I domt thin you change that so much

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different skill trees sure

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Aside from Combat, I don't think you need to CHANGE that much. But you need to bring in the mechanics that allow for the best expansion and allow you to move forward.

minor dew
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1 setepp forward 1 step back

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That's Bethesda's usual design ethos, yes.

minor dew
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morrowind oblivion and skyrin have the zact same swordplay

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And it's terrible.

minor dew
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its awesoe

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your boring

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bored*

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No, I just expect something a little more nuanced than 'Hit it with a stick until it stops moving' combined with the single worst control scheme in gaming.

minor dew
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oblivon control scheme was awesome

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Nah, the way we've controlled what type of attack we can make has been garbage since Morrowind.

minor dew
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hmm ive loved em all

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Forcing movement in a particular direction in order to make a particular attack is the stuff of nightmares.

minor dew
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well, i never played first 2

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its all about the world amn,that what the elder scrolls has always been about

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# minor dew well, i never played first 2

They weren't great. But they also weren't just... Ugh.

Daggerfall had potential, but at the same time it was really not a game well suited to the control scheme and interaction it used.

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could go badly pear shpaed with the new systems too< ionce wondered what elder scrolls could bee now im worried they could take it too far, but ive said this all befire

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Oh absolutely.

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But progress is better than stagnancy.

minor dew
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hmm final fantasy doesnt particularly agree

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its new systems then maybe about 10% mecahnics

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Systems are mechanics.

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no there not

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Yes, they are. Mechanics are literally any system of gameplay interaction.

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Jumping, is a mechanic. Speaking to someone, is a mechanic.

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How these mechanics function and how they interact is the general point of discussion.

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I hope they bring back oblivion bare handed skill tree

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I don't. At least, not how it was.

But then again, I hope they bring back nothing from Oblivion, and don't think the game added anything of value either in terms of gameplay or setting, sooo..m

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I think there's a lot of potential in 'hand to hand' but the idea of bare fists competing with literal weapons is laughably absurd to me.

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It's not Dragon Ball Z, and D&D monks are dumb.

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At the same time, I think there's a fundamental problem with his people think about RPGs and character identities in the first place. And that problem reflects in one dimensional game design and (typically) Class Mechanics.

minor dew
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levitation aint a bad system,maybe we could fly in this one or get of the ground a bit where the enemies couldnt hit us

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my best ideas are behind me

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playing fallout 4 leave me alone 😄

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Levitation comes with some deeper mechanical problems that would need to be addressed.

However, in terms of life functionality, Starfield does have variable gravity. Which could be adapted to a variable power Levitation effect.

minor dew
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yeah well thats what i thoguht,theyve kinda tested it in starfield

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....not many enmies with swords there though, would have to be a 100 skill

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Still, a Zero-G sword fight could offer some huge gameplay dynamics.

minor dew
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*** yeah

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The trick would be handling movement and momentum, since you don't have jetpacks like in Starfield. But that could also allow for some really neat physics interactions if they wanted to pursue it.

minor dew
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were mages man we do what we want:

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makes e think of devil may cry thoguh which i hated

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this games maybe got some potential

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😄

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It's definitely something that could be mindnumbing in execution. But it's interesting in concept.

minor dew
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yeah i dunno man was just a thought, the current final fantasies kinda do that,its not too bad

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i just want more stories man, I dont really care about the (mechanics)

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sytem mechanics or system,should be the only way it should be expressed when talking about the elder scrolls

feral viper
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I have been consistently disappointed by Bethesda's stories for 2 decades. Starfield's were alright, and showed marked improvement over previous games, but even then they weren't exactly groundbreaking or novel.

minor dew
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i only care about the sytem

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elder scrolls stories have always been garb

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So I'm very much here for the mechanics. While they never polish them to really show them off, Bethesda IS really good at creating borderline brilliant mechanics that could, if refined better, revolutionise the genre.

minor dew
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but your scred of elden ring?

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Nah, I just can't stand Fromsoft's mechanics.

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I find their games fundamentally not fun. Except for Armoured Core.

minor dew
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but it had no mechanics 🙂

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yeah man i never played enough of armored cored core, tried it thought it was **** ** ****

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its just shooting a gun from a robot constanly that,about it, there was one (mechanic) in the first fight thoguht where you had to use your sword on him

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Oh, it's not a deep game. I just like big ass robots.

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I love Fromsoftware, but I think Beth should go more down the route of Chivalry. You need to be able to do first person combat in TES, can't do that with Miyazaki's form of combat

minor dew
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yeah inever even like the mechs in ff games...ha

livid ingot
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Chivalry has more a middle ground of being a bit more complex and interesting than past titles, but not so different as to turn off long-time fans

minor dew
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yeah i seen this chivalry game, its looks like and oblvin style grphically

feral viper
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Yeah, I think Chivalry offers a better inspiration, but even it is a little more... Wonky than I'd like.

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It is wonky though 😄

minor dew
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yeah ig to that impre i may even have tried it

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I think something very simple could be achieved by simple allowing for 1 basic attack types. Thrust, and Swing.

We already have a basic mechanic that has 2 attacks, Basic and Power Attack, just retool it to different attacks.

minor dew
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maybe you could add a stance

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You can then take specific types of fancier attacks, and apply them to the same sort of control scheme as Powers.

minor dew
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defnsive stance attacking stance,probly wrong i dunno

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At its core though, what the games need are better control over how you attack, better movement, and better ways to interact and engage with combat as a whole.

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Stances are one option too, though I'd almost like to see them handled more like Ability Loadouts, allowing you to construct your own fighting style.

minor dew
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tht is getting in to mechanics

rose fjord
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I wonder in es6 how your character is the story tutorial

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That will depend on the story.

I know how I would handle it, but...

minor dew
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so many skills i never use man