#fallout-general-chat

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bright snow
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hi

ruby stream
spice oriole
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i help all 3

subtle acorn
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Creation club really just makes me not want to play fallout ngl

lone crypt
grizzled sable
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Is there a chat for New Vegas?

bright snow
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nah but u can talk about it here or in lore

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or in fallout 3 ig cause that's close enough

grizzled sable
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Bruh, one question how do I get to dry wells... Like, I nuked the legion but there's no boat to be found.

hardy palm
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^ Good question

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I also wonder about that

near summit
bright snow
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we'll be debating over whether the show is canon or not

near summit
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what state will it take place in

latent robin
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it should be nyc. the 'engine' might choke on it but should be doable on tv

near summit
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I’m expecting a vibe similar to 76

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Much to my dismay

sleek slate
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I live in New Orleans Metro area and would love to see this happen! I have a bourbon street in my atrium!

quasi sentinel
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Hiya I need some advice I spent like 15 20 quid on some lunchbox n Mr handy in fallout shelter. After 15 20 mkms after the purchase my game crashed. N has reverted me back 2 days in doing so gotten rid of the 15 20 quid I spent
How can I get this fixedp

opal fog
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Good afternoon, i’m trying to access mods menu and tried logging in/linking my bethesda account.

I cant seem to login the account it always says “The operation could not be completed.” I tried several troubleshoot from the Bethesda Support but i still cant access it.

My console is Playstation 4, US Region.

craggy skiff
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Do you mean fallout 4? Have toy just started? Played before or no..

ruby stream
ruby stream
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😍 🤤 i got my butt kicked in survival mode at nuka world good work

worldly void
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Playing the Tale of Two Wastelands mod for NV with a couple extras.

F3 with the gameplay of NV

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I am too addicted to my character.
Hope Yi. lol

Tag Skills: Science, Repair, Unarmed

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8 STR, END, and INT
4 PER
3 CHA
4 LCK

Skilled Trait

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Just... I kind of love her. lol

ruby stream
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🤔 wedding bells

worldly void
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XD

ruby stream
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been trying to get piper to marry me

worldly void
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If only Sarah Lyons had feelings for a female Lone Wanderer. Rawr.

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@ruby stream Good choice. I usually go for Curie in 4

worldly void
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Im a weirdo and thats okay

ruby stream
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piper funny if u go to the cathouse an poke a few VaultBoyWink

worldly void
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lol

ruby stream
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is it normal for settlers to come to sancuary with only there underwear🤭

worldly void
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Not normally, but don't judge.
Different strokes for different folks

ruby stream
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😏

worldly void
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Notes down idea for no armor run

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"Nudist" run if you will

ruby stream
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🤭 i got to becareful with my moddin or every body living get 5 shoots mini nukes pistols 🤣

worldly void
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lol

ruby stream
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how do i stream play my game (steam) like go for it chicken

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an my discord dont have a fallout 4 room to stream on only 76

abstract sun
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You can't steam it here since there are no voice channels, you'd have to stream it to a voice channel on your own server or to Twitch or YouTube

ruby stream
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👍

latent robin
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Jet is canon lore in fo76. You're raider collection threatens to cut you if it doesn't get more jet soon

surreal cloak
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think it's cut but for some accidental lines

gray lagoon
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Fallout 5 should have a mechanic where certain companions will stab you in the back (literally or metaphorically) if the player character gets their affinity low enough

shrewd hinge
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I wouldn't mind fallout 5 having mechanics where there is consequences for low affinity.

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Since it's fun to have actions having story changing consequences.

gray lagoon
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It fits perfectly

shrewd hinge
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Also wouldn't mind more pipe guns.

gray lagoon
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What pipe guns are they missing lol

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They have pistols, rifles, submachine guns, revolvers, revolver rifles, and so on

shrewd hinge
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Machine guns, shotguns, more slightly improved variants of handmade weapons... The Concept of "The Slider"

gray lagoon
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O

shrewd hinge
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I kinda dig the idea of an revolver with an bolt and hammer that just slides back and forth... Out in the open.

gray lagoon
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Oh yeah that sounds sick

shrewd hinge
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The concept for pipe guns look cool.

pulsar peak
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So Bethesda hired the head writer from fallout London (fan made mod) so do you. Think she will make content for fallout or another franchise??

lone crypt
pulsar peak
maiden adder
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They hired her to the Austin team tho

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The one that works on Fallout 76

lone crypt
near summit
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new vegas just crashed VaultBoySick

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Should I download NVAC?

abstract sun
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You can edit your post XD

bold nest
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Hello

ebon flax
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iirc isn’t the london writer already a well established book author?

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also still need more info on london after their latest controversy

velvet musk
shadow spade
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Any news on when is Fallout Shelter Online coming up WORLDWIDE?

shrewd hinge
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Would like to see more variations of weapons in the future.

gray lagoon
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How do you think the Fallout show will handle stimpaks?

north radish
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oh, some anticeptic plus maybe blood.. blood.. dammit, what's the word.. свертывание? definitely not magical fix your broken bones in one second thing

near summit
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Finally beat Old World Blues, onto Dead Money because I abandoned it (like the BOS bunker lol)

versed coyote
north radish
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ah, right-o 👍

versed coyote
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(I had to pop it into Google Translate as I'm still struggling with the alphabet but I got what you meant by "clot". I should really get back to learning it but y'know, suffering from burn out and all that...)

north radish
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what would you need russian for, anyway? just curious

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anyways, alphabet is easy. X sounds like english H, P like english R, Ь and Ъ don't have sounds at all, and Ё you'll never see in written text 👍

near summit
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No Elijah, the hardest part isnt letting go, it’s getting through the damn residential district

versed coyote
# north radish what would you need russian for, anyway? just curious

I want to make a character in something that only speaks in Russian, and anyone who trys talking to him will only get responses like "I have no idea what you're saying" or "Stop asking me questions, stupid American. I can't understand you". Also to interact with the Russian communities in some games I enjoy.

north radish
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ahehe, so it's about games? english was about games for me too ways back

versed coyote
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Games, entertainment industry projects, that sort of thing. I'm also trying to learn Spanish and at least a little Japanese for the same reason.

near summit
bright snow
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the villa stresses me out so much

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I had light step so I ain't worried about traps

stoic magnet
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I'd love for a Fallout: New Vegas 2 to release, like others have said, but honestly: I don't think they'll ever recapture the same energy and spirit the original had. A lot of the ideas came from Van Buren, and it was a decade in the making, in terms of writing, and a lot of the characters that were staple, fan favorite characters in Fallout: New Vegas, came from Van Buren. Arcade Gannon, Father Elijah, and Joshua Graham as well as many of the factions, including the NCR, Legion, and Brotherhood of Steel as well as minor factions such as the Powder Gangers, Followers of the Apocalypse, and Van Graff's. There was so much time and dedication that went into Van Buren, despite it being inevitably cancelled, that much of the material was translated to Fallout: New Vegas. You see it all the time, many games which cannot live up to its predecessors, and with so much of the staff from Obsidian that made Fallout: New Vegas what it is, gone, I don't have as high of hopes as many others do.

versed coyote
bright snow
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truee

pearl flicker
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I prefer fallout 3 myself

ebon flax
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but the problem is also that it’s just too good to have as a perk regardless. Honestly can’t ever recall a moment when traps were a danger except those rather unfair satchel charges in NV, which as we know were buffed shortly before by some dev fouling their damage and explosion timer

spare cypress
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I have Fallout 4 on Xbox One, if I install mods through my Xbox profile, and then my brother plays on his own profile on the same console, will he have the mods?

pearl flicker
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If using the same beth.net account i believe so

spare cypress
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We have different bethesda.net accounts, and different everything, we only use the same console, different xbox profile, different beth.net accounts, all that.

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Just the console is the same.

pearl flicker
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Then I believe he does not have the samw mods but I have no idea tbh

spare cypress
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Alright, I'll have him install the mods to I guess.

shrewd hinge
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Well, one thing that would be nice to see in Fallout 5 is helmets with armor.

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Other bits being unique variants of armors for factions.

abstract sun
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I think if you don't sign into an account it will use the mods the other person downloaded

drifting flame
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Hey does anyone here completed the nuka world dlc

timid sluice
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I have multiple times, though it has been a while since I last played it, what are you wondering?

calm gulch
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Hello everyone, have you seen shoddycast’s new video titled why did shoddy cast die?

royal pagoda
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yeah, it's neat

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I think the author of that one explains why several other fallout youtubers stopped posting too

glossy fable
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Dear Bethesda: Can we have more info about the Fallout TV show? It's been over a year since the teaser, give us something else!

south drift
fiery citrus
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when is fallout new vegas 2 going to be released

bright snow
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never

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it's one of those games that don't need a sequel

fiery citrus
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sequel would be pretty cool though

bright snow
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another game on the west coast would be interesting but idk how they could make a sequel

fossil lynx
bright snow
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I'm interested in what the story would b

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and seeing power armor

tepid magnet
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top ten reasons why fallout tv show:

  1. power armor
spice oriole
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how bout the youtube show did well and fallout is a very good series to adapt

quasi sentinel
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bruh i cant fast travel any where in new vegas without the game crashing\

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how do i fix that

bright snow
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do u have mods

quasi sentinel
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the most i did was do the command that unlocks all the way points

versed coyote
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Shame how only one Easy Pete survived to the start of New Vegas...

bright snow
bright snow
surreal cloak
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and BoS bein jerks to wimpy people

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and the BoS stopping the evil people

solar latch
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What’s your guys’ favorite Fallout song?

royal pagoda
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song: A Kiss to Build a Dream On
OST piece: Traders Life

surreal cloak
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aw i can't post a picture of it
there's a guy in i think fo2 that sings "maybe"

bright snow
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lets go sunning from fo3

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and a kiss to build a dream on

vague kettle
solar latch
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Good choice.

bright snow
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that too

solar latch
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My favorite Fallout songs are In the Shadow of the Valley and Atom Bomb Baby.

maiden adder
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Sixteen tons is good

gusty ginkgo
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My favorite songs are The Wanderer, Atom Bomb Baby. Favorite background music is 'Dominant Species.'

solar latch
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The Wanderer is great.

shadow siren
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My favourite has to be blue moon

worldly void
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Way Back Home

coral island
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It's alright, just keep in mind that ModMail is for Discord related issues for the future! 🙂

tawdry salmon
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hi homies

bright snow
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sup homie

drifting tartan
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🦆

humble mural
drifting tartan
quasi sentinel
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Can I confess, I really should play new Vegas on series X and also looks so good too. To much fallout 4 and fallout 3 from my end 😜 anyone have any good starter tips thank you 😊

drifting tartan
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Beware the deathclaws. They're far more deadly to low level players in new Vegas than they are in 3 and 4

quasi sentinel
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What inventory and want to keep and sell. I looted docs house and sold books etc and just not sure what I should keep for crafting or sell? Also have all dlc so got a few items early armour and some weapons too

worldly void
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I love my girl Hope Yi. lol

latent robin
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Deathclaws were deadly in 3 iirc

drifting tartan
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Not unless you have a combat shotgun + charon

latent robin
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I punched a deathclaw to death in fonv with enough jet

versed coyote
versed coyote
# quasi sentinel Can I confess, I really should play new Vegas on series X and also looks so good...
  1. A lot of the enemies have been made so quick they can phase through solid matter.
  2. If you want to kill high level things at the start, you must brave the Divide to get the weapons from there (missile launcher in the Hopeville barracks).
    3.Turn the killcam off of cinematic and make it first person, that way you get an extra sneak attack crit if you can aim it during slow motion, possibly getting 2 kills instead of one before the enemies go into Caution mode and stay like that until the heat death of the universe.
  3. Treat Caution as Danger as they will know exactly where you are no matter if you're miles away and walk towards your current position.
  4. Stealth isn't doable as even with a Stealth Boy enemies will find you easily if you're close enough.
  5. Look at campfire and crafting/reloading bench recipies and note the ingredients of those you would like to use. For example, surgical tubing is great for tourniquets.
latent robin
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One got jump on me on that cliff just outside nw of the quarry so it was all melee. Although it could have been with a melee weapon but saying I punched a deathclaw to death sounded funnier

versed coyote
frosty hare
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im thinking of buying fallout 4 or new vegas, which should i get?

bright lily
maiden adder
spare plaza
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Get Fo4

lone crypt
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I agree with Frak, SkyBorik and The Phil. Fallout 4 is my favorite Fallout game.

drifting tartan
latent robin
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Willl go largely unnoticed by the rabble but Beth did terrific job of integrating mods with fo4 and skyrim

glass owl
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definitely. there's even cross dlc integration with automatron and nuka world!

glass owl
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avellone basically tweeted bethesda didnt do anything wrong, that was nice to see

latent robin
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Timing is pretty rando. Maybe beth has avellone working on something...

glass owl
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maaaybe. but avellone's sort of radioactive rn

waxen portal
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Yo

latent robin
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Where other see coincidence I see consequence

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Still seems things haven't affected him professionally

misty shell
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you also forgot "Where others see chance, I see cost."🙃

latent robin
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😜

spice oriole
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avelones been up to bat for bethesda several times making sure its noted that with nv they went above and beyond

latent robin
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facts don't matter to obsidian fans

glass owl
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oooh, first time i heard this. what did they mess up?

royal pagoda
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tbf biometric seal wasn't a good idea

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they said that nuka cola was invented before 1913
it wasn't serious

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it's the same kind of mistake school books make

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it's actually even less severe

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well, I mean, you don't care, but those little things are actually lore breaking on their own, it's like synths super human abilities

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it was said by a funny robot programmed to mainly talk to kids

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basically there's an issue in the commonwealth where people don't know how to distinguish synths from normal humans, it's actually quite easy: synths don't need to eat

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well apparently they don't

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{Upset, a little angry at herself / Sad} That! We gave him every capability of a real child, except a future. He'll never age, he'll never be allowed to grow up or have a family of his own.

I mean, sure, they have the capacity to experience taste. Every Gen 3 possesses the synthetic equivalent of the requisite receptor cells. But why this? And why all of them?

Good thing it's physically impossible for a Gen 3 to actually gain weight and succumb to obesity. Wouldn't that be quite the Achilles' Heel? Humanity's most impressive technological achievement - laid low by junk food.

Imagine what you could accomplish if you could live without fear of hunger or disease.

Imagine what you could create if you could use every waking moment of your life as you saw fit, with no need of sleep?
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the second one is a terminal entry

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oh, the third one is not full but basically Max Loken explains why gen 3 are superior to humans

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no, the potential line is an answer to a different question

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Except synth Shaun is considered the peak of synth technology

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He's supposed to be an exact replica of a child
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fixed my quote

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aging works the same for everyone

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the only real evidence you presented is curie

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the rest is inconsequential

abstract sun
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I see it as like Exos from Destiny. They eat because their human memories tell them they need to.

royal pagoda
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danse would have been figured out a synth
exactly!

royal pagoda
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what potential gain does the institute have by telling SS that synths don't need to eat?

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like okay, if I cede and admit that synths DO need to eat then you have a whole bunch of evidence saying otherwise, why?

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naaaaah, I don't buy it, this whole lineage of lies makes no sense whatsoever

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for like 5 seconds

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they weren't planning on keeping the synth kid act for long, they just wanted to see your and kids interaction

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Shaun was literally in the next room waiting to give his speech

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it doesn't matter the length
it actually does, for example you can play a prank on someone, doesn't mean you are now mortal enemies and that you will like to the victim of your prank for the rest of your life

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my mom also lied to me when I was a kid

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the length and the intention matters

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well I trust my mom

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actually, no, I don't

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but it's not because she lied to me when I was a kid, it's because I recognized she was lying to herself when I became an adult

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oh my god I just realized that I could've made a joke out of this "it doesn't matter the length"

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such a missed opportunity, how will I sleep after this

quasi sentinel
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I'm not sure they do need to do that I could be wrong though

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That's true. I was always dissapounted that the brotherhood didnt take more of an interest in covenant

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It would've been nice to see bigger factions interact with smaller factions

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Doesn't really matter its a video game quest the brotherhood could have sent scouts or something

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Well sure whatever all I'm saying is it would've made an interesting quest

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Because we never really see the big 4 factions interact with smaller factions

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Well a fetch quest about passing a speech check isn't exactly great interaction and I'll give you that I quite liked the railroads interactions with Bunker Hill

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The quest with the escaped synth was great imo

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All in all I feel the issue with the smaller factions boils down to the settlement building system. Towns need to be a blank slate of sorts to allow for more player expression leading to what in my opinion feels like a less developed and interactive world although there is an upside in being able to shape the settlements and have a fun past time. I guess its just a trade off

gaunt wraith
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Covenant is specifically trying to figure out a way to find-out Synths without killing them. So they can weed out synths from a population. Starving humans out just to figure out if they're Synths would not be effective and isn't what they're trying to accomplish. I think its a given that Gen-3's need some form of energy, but whether they require "food and water" in the same way humans do is not clear. Max Loken states they don't and it would be trivial for Institute Robotics to program in a 'simulation' of a Synth requiring food and water in the same frequency as humans do. So if someone did try to starve out a Synth, it would be impossible to tell if you're actually starving out a human or its just a Synth's biological mechanism simulating that need.

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Personally, I think Synths can eat to restore energy, but don't require it on nearly the same frequency humans do. And could potentially go a greater length of time without either food or water.

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The causalities of war she's talking about though is killing people after they've failed the "Test" to see if they're actually Synths are not. So they can make that Test foolproof (and verify their results). Their eventual goal is to make it so that test can be used to determine who's a Synth without any need to hurt actual humans.

gaunt wraith
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My theory is this, and feel free to disagree, but this is my personal theory how the Synths metabolic processes work: Robotics has been shown to have a remarkable degree of control over the biology and inner workings of the Synths (see that one terminal in Robotics listing all the "upgrades" they're working on). I think that when a Synth is designated for replacement/infiltration, The Institute can and does "tweak" their biology to simulate human needs like eating, sleeping, and drinking which has the sole effect of making sure the Synth doesn't accidentally forget to eat for a few days and people start to question them (as an example). A few Synths might be lost by imposing these limits, but its worth it to preserve the infiltration. In all other cases, I think Synths don't actually require food and water in anywhere near the same frequency as humans and this is their 'default' metabolic behavior. So Coursers wouldn't need to stop and collect food and water somewhere, potentially derailing their operation, just to stay alive in The Commonwealth. And Synths within The Institute wouldn't become a burden on their resources. This makes sense to me but I will fully admit there is nothing in-game which confirms this theory definitively.

keen helm
cinder harbor
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what's a small new Vegas reference that i could put on something that people would instantly recognize?

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ok thanks!

quasi sentinel
fervent palm
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Based

cinder harbor
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I don't believe I could do that

quasi sentinel
cinder harbor
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fair enough

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wait isn't louis the trumpet player? or am I getting confused with someone else

keen helm
cinder harbor
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thats what i was thinking

quasi sentinel
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The number 38 too

keen helm
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that number means nothing to me

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obviously i'm not the arbiter of what is and is not a good NV reference but. if it's not recognizable to me as someone who is familiar with the game, it probably won't be to someone with even less insight

quasi sentinel
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I rank the fallout games New Vegas > 2 > 1 > 3 > 4 and I have yet to play 76, tactics and I'm not including brotherhood of steel

BTW just because 3 and 4 are low in the ranking doesn't mean I don't like them

keen helm
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honestly none of the fallout titles are bad and a lot of people's rankings are really just up to personal preference

quasi sentinel
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Yeah I love politics and stuff so new Vegas was like amazing

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Another favourite of mine is Disco Elysium which is a combatless rpg that's basically all politics

cinder harbor
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I love new Vegas story and perks and dialogue but 4s combat is much better (those are the only two I have played)

quasi sentinel
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Fallout 2 has the best world's pace

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In what way did it suck?

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I can't think of a universe in which a game about a judgy prefrontal cortex isnt like amazing

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I loved the bit where there's that racist guy then the guy on the bridge is like "see that racist guy? I'm like way more racister than him"

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Idk I love how confusing it is

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I like skillchecks in rpg games because it really makes my character feel mine and that he's skilled in what he does

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I loved the ones in NV where you sounded like an idiot

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My favourite disco elysium moment was convincing the book store owner I was a ghost hunter

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I think in terms of the craziness factor fallout 2 takes the take

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I don't think anything comes close to the Hubologists in fallout 2

bright snow
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skill checks in all of the games r kinda funny ngl

royal pagoda
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there's a skill check in disco elysium near a ladder that leads to the roof, if you pass it ||you teleport and don't have to use the ladder||

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10/10 game

cinder harbor
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what time is the next fallout game taking place and where?

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because i think north California would be really cool to mess around in

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the thin tight streets of San Francisco packed full of raiders to the river valleys with a new gold rush that people are fighting for

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and the return of the NCR

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and maybe its after all of the games and mabye one of the plot points is the ncr is breaking apart

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idk how this fits into the lore tho

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ah ok

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what about a offshoot fallout game like 5 years after the great war?

abstract sun
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Earlier and you're fighting civilians and national guard instead of evil raiders and enclave

cinder harbor
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i know and that would be part of the plot. A crumbling life of American government, political corruption gone rampet. everyone on there own. the start of some early factions. people scared that it will happen again. the start of the super mutant plague, strange monsters coming out of the craters and the start of raiders. also this could have a ton of anit hero villain's and explain why some thing happen in future games

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and it would be a lot more fierce for food water weapons.

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plus it could explain why so many people have firearms in there house in the future games its because of all those reasons

viral quest
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What

quasi sentinel
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I mean I felt motivated by the politics of the world like that's what did it for me and you can't say no to the main quest in any of the games so it seems weird to go after new Vegas

The factions are really well written the NCR's incompetence is one of the focal points of the game. The Legion doesn't stand for nothing it's fascism and it's fascism that Caesar explains to the player very well. House isn't a buffoon, the Omertas were paid by Caesar, and yeah the Benny courier thing can be chalked up to a contrivance because it keeps the plot moving

Yeah NV has inconsistencies with dates probably the short development cycle who knows

Idk what lore breaks outside of the incorrect dates

Yeah I liked the concept of the shi but I was sort of gobsmacked with the extent of the racist writing. I liked the pop culture references for the most part but I feel it led to thematic inconsistency. Like one second you're freeing slaves from metzger then you're... Ahem... Acting

royal pagoda
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Fallout NV has the biggest amount quests than any fallout game, fallout 2 is right after NV
Fallout 2 has the biggest amount of total conversion mods, fallout NV is the second
Fallout NV currently has the most well-developed modding ecosystem
Fallout 2 is the only fallout game to utilize proper currency
Fallout NV is the first fallout game to introduce weapon modding as a mechanic as well as crafting and ammo types
Fallout 2 is the darkest fallout game
Fallout NV is most well known for experimenting and exploring mature subjects

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a lot of the complaints I see about both games are just as inconsequential as complaints about 3 and 4

maiden adder
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Fallout 4 has infinite quests

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People tend to hate radiant quest but I think they are actually not evil. In the older games there were a lot of unused locations without quests tied to them. And there were no motivation to explore them. Now with radiant quests almost every location has a purpose

royal pagoda
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none of that really has to do with anything i have against new vegas and fallout 2.
I wasn't replying to you

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I was just saying something aloud

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notice I didn't address any of your points

royal pagoda
maiden adder
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People say that radiant quests are just "go X location and kill X npc or collect X item". On the surface it is true but if you dig deeper it is not. Radiant quests often take you to the wonderfully handcrafted dungeon often with a history hidden in the notes and holotapes. In short radiant quests are not go X kill X

royal pagoda
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fallout 2 and NV in this case also have infinite quests

maiden adder
royal pagoda
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yes, those can be done infinite amount of times

maiden adder
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Repeatable quests =/= radiant quests

royal pagoda
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yes

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but both can be done infinite amount of times and as suggested above "Technicalities are still truth."

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on the contrary, I like discussing things with myself

maiden adder
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Radiant quests on the other hand always pick random location

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Sometimes even from the DLCs

mild fern
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Let's make sure to keep conversation civil folks. Thanks!

maiden adder
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Btw, I don't remember repeatable quests from NV. Are there even any? There were 100% present in Fallout 3

royal pagoda
royal pagoda
royal pagoda
maiden adder
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Btw there are more quests in Fallout 4

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even without misc and radiant quests

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And heck, there are more quests in F76 than in NV

latent robin
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i make legion and ncr despise me to send death squads after me to make the game remotely open world

royal pagoda
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if fallout wiki to be trusted fallout nv has more quests than 4

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actually no, it's the other way around

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fixed my message again

quasi sentinel
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hi

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hi dedim amk insan merhaba der siz nasil insanlarsiniz

quasi sentinel
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Aren't most of those quests the raident ones?

quasi sentinel
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are u happy to see me again 😟😟

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Poor quality quests but whatever

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The Howardtron-9000 doesn't like me using naughty words

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Lol

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There's like nothing to be gleaned from the quests after the first time you do them unless you play the game like an MMO

royal pagoda
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it's not even an infinite amount of quests lol

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people are being pedantic about definitions but they can't even provide the correct numbers

quasi sentinel
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Breaking bad would have been a way better show if it had raident quests

royal pagoda
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random quests aren't necessarily bad, it's just not something that should be relied on in games that aren't complete sandboxes

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random quests work in rimworld because rimworld doesn't have good quality handcrafted quests to compare random ones to

quasi sentinel
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Isn't much to actually do like meaningfully. It's mostly just mechanical stuff

royal pagoda
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I don't see the issue

  1. low quality compared to the rest of the game
  2. can be less than obvious prompting the player to do a bunch of those without realizing they aren't progressing anything
  3. repetitive
quasi sentinel
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Improvements to the gameplay?

royal pagoda
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the first time I played fallout 4 I've done a bunch of BOS radiant quests without realizing it and basically wasted time

quasi sentinel
royal pagoda
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stop being a toxic new vegas fanboy and instead become a radioactive wasteland purist

quasi sentinel
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I don't like the Enclave they don't even wear cool skirts

royal pagoda
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@viral quest cuz I'm not allowed to use a photo of a real thing, duh

latent robin
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i like the nuka world radiant quest that had you defend or attack a cache with your raiders, a nice change of pace

brittle badge
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does anyone know if theres any plans to add a feature to be able to lock your equipped amour and weapons so you dont scrap them by mistake IN 76?

quasi sentinel
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hayir

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bilmiyoruz lutfen

quasi sentinel
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Yeah 4 was awfully written

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And the ability to join the institute was fine

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What if you say synths aren't human?

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But what if you don't think they should be destroyed but instead harnessed

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Wdym?

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I can see why you'd side with the institute they're the most advanced and could provide stuff for humanity to continue and stuff I don't agree but yeah

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But what if you just agree with the Insitute?

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Because they don't see synths as humans

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And because a little fox in a town called nipton told you do

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Why shouldn't you be able to join with the antagonist?

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No it means you've made a moral decision, not all stories need an antagonist

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Sorry I meant bad guy that was really dumb of me not antagonist

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But what's wrong with joining the antagonist, then they're no longer the bad guy they've changed who they are in the story

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Like who's the "bad guy" in a lot of those arsty films like Mishima not all stories need a bad guy, a foil? Sure but it doesn't have to be moral in nature

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There is what if you think "hmmm the master made a really good point"

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Why not?

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Sure?

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Says who, you know? It's interesting to flirt with the idea of the antagonist having salient points, changing the protagonists perspective

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By that logic Revenge of the Sith isn't good because because Anakin joined the antagonist

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The idea of a transative view of morality and a transative view of the protagonist and antagonist is so interesting

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But then why wouldn't the vault dweller take on a similar position to anakin in this regard?

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Why can't that conflict or struggle be resolved by or with the antagonist?

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You can join the conflict through the master

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Or at least the other side

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Why isn't joining a new master race able to conquer the wastes under a wise and powerful leader not a resolve? If the protagonist sees it that way then he wins in a sense does he not?

timid sluice
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by that logic.... the true antagonist of Fallout 4 is you, the player

quasi sentinel
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Then why not allow the choice for the player to fill the role anakin did in revenge of the Sith

timid sluice
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Preston Garvey is a true Protagonist by what you have been saying

quasi sentinel
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But why does the player have to fulfill the sake role as he did at the start of the game

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Yeah well that's a player choice

timid sluice
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less does not equal better either

quasi sentinel
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I like this choice because the master presents his case to you and you can decide from there

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Yeah it's almost like that's a focal point of the game

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And another thing if you convince him that he's flawed and he suicides does that mean there's no more antagonist

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Isn't joining him an ideological defeat?

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That you yourself can choose

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Right I think that's a childish worldview but whatever

timid sluice
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so how is the Institute the antagonist?

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ignoring the rumors and certain events above ground

quasi sentinel
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Yeah but then they stop

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And make their case

timid sluice
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I thought it was the synths that were hostile?

quasi sentinel
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Wow fallout 4 makes mistakes in its storytelling whooie colour me surprised

timid sluice
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ah, like the Sith controlled the Droids

quasi sentinel
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Anyways. I don't mind the insitute all things considered

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Like from a story perspective not a lore perspective

timid sluice
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me neither, after I learned more about them and listened to what was being said

quasi sentinel
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Why though it furthers role playing

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It sounds like you just want a railroaded goodguyfest

timid sluice
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but they are only joinable because of a certain someone

quasi sentinel
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Yeah?

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Or at least your worldview of media

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I mean if the boot fits. Good guys and bad guys, protagonists and antagonists are a very blurred line

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Yeah and joining the antagonist is fine

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Like if your character has a moral realignment in meeting with the antagonist what's wrong with joining them? Why make the line between protag and antag so rigid?

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Well if one joins the Insitute is not the railroad and brotherhood the antagonist?

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Like if I'm captured by the Mafia and think they're swell guys and join them then the police are my new antagonists

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What?

timid sluice
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oh, so like how the Jedi and republic did the same to Anakin

quasi sentinel
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No it isn't you simply realise you disagree with their ideology

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You think synths are robots but very useful robots

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It's a change in your values that makes you join them

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No I'm not talking ahout you

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I'm talking about like somebody random who agrees with them the sole survivor or whatever

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Let's say he agrees with them then I don't see why he should be precluded from joining

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Idk about aldiun he seems pretty solitary but I wouldn't mind a joinable enclave

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I don't think it's bad when they don't let you join the antagonist but it's not bad if they do

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I mean you'd have to change a few things around about like maybe when you reach them horrigan says "wow you killed all those guys your last chance of survival is to submit and join" idk

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No that was just a theoretical idea

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Okay sorry it was just an idea

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Sorry for non challantely saying an idea of mine

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Okay I'm really sorry I'll spend the rest of my life working off this mortal sin of putting a possible idea out there in a theoretical joinable enclave

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Yeah I just think that was an overreaction to a random idea I put out there for what Frank horrigan would say if the game was to be rewritten so the Enclave were joinable sorry I didn't carefully consider the lore in an idea I spent all but 10 seconds thinking about

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I think you're getting defensive over having your view of morality in media childish

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I mean you've brought up the fact I said it like 4 times

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Okay

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I still stand by it but whatever. Anyways to the topic at hand. Like once you join the master the new antagonist isn't seen because the game ends but it's all who oppose the unity

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Same with the institute the villain is all those who oppose the institute

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They're the new antagonists in the story

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But like let's say the railroad did aid you right? Why does that make you indebted to them? They overall aided you for selfish reasons. Doesn't make them bad but it doesn't make you like magically belong to them

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Not really. Like what if you really think synths are fake and that the railroad is aiding potential hazards but you work with them to get where you want to go

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No you get what I mean stop using lore we're talking meta for the most part using theoretical players so don't use in game morality to get out of this

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Why not? You can disagree with them and think they're a dead end

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I'd you disagree with them and they're working against a cause you support? O' metal men please shoot these fellers

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But I don't see how a faction helping you means you shouldn't betray them like it's a role playing game

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You aren't and I feel you're enforcing your moral code and you're set of values onto a sandbox game that allows you to join factions at you're leisure based on your views

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Views that can differ

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I apologise for calling you childish earlier that was rude and uncalled for

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I think a myriad of other decisions ruined the game but I did like the institute joining the antagonist is in my opinion quite thrilling

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And I feel more in control and such

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No it doesn't

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But removing it would make the story feel weird and moralistic and railroaded to a greater extent than it already does

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Yeah I suppose. Fallout 1 lets you join the master. The Enclave in 2 yeah I guess that's the result of being plot driven and 3 I haven't played much of but I've been told it feels on rails aside from a few things like megaton

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But even with the brotherhood aren't you still betraying the railroad?

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Yeah which makes the Insitute more viable

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But with the vault dweller joining the master is like his action the master no longer is the antagonist hes part of the protagonists team commanding the protagonist to conquer for the unity

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That doesn't matter?

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In terms of the choice to join the unity

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But what if the vault dweller doesn't know? The vault dweller may know but if he doesn't then joining could be seen as a positive

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I'm gonna go to sleep and dream of being a supermutant pillaging the hub goodnight

bright snow
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how would the vault dweller think joining the master would be positive

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nvm

spice oriole
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you dont have to hurt the railroad to be in the bos

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if you beat the gsme without talking to lancer captain kells he wont ever give the quest

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allowing the bos railroad and minutemen to work together

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or at the very least coexist

south sentinel
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There is a mod(ps4) to spare the railroad when talking to kells.

near summit
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Is Tactics anything like the other classic fallout games?

near summit
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huh, interesting

royal pagoda
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it's generally sticks to similar visual design, interface, themes

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I say that for what it was designed to be (a squad based real time/turn based strategy), it's very close to the classic games

quasi sentinel
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Do you have a problem with the pre-war jet thing?

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Myron invented it though didn't he?

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What evidence do you have off Mrs Bishop being addicted to it before it could have been developed?

bright snow
quasi sentinel
bright snow
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we've argued about this all before

quasi sentinel
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You and I haven't

bright snow
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let me get quotes

quasi sentinel
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Because I'm just wondering why when fallout 4 changes lore its fine but when 2 and NV do it its bad

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Well it made jet pre war

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When was it shown in NV?

grave pilot
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Jet was Pre-War, yes.

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Myron simply made a more potent version.

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He directly references its Pre-War nature.

quasi sentinel
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Right I was epicly owned on that front but like take the T-60 thats a lore break on Bethesdas part but I don't mind lore can be a little inconsistent as long as the broad strokes are consistent

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2 and NV aren't uniquely evil in retcons

grave pilot
full nexus
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Oh my god
It's been too long since we had a good jet argument

grave pilot
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Well, it's an upgraded set of T-45.

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So not necessarily "new".

quasi sentinel
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But it was established T-51 was the pinnacle before the war

grave pilot
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^

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Gameplay effects aren't equal to lore.

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Otherwise APA as depicted in New Vegas "retcons" how it was in 2.

quasi sentinel
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Yeah that's a minor retcon which I'm fine with

grave pilot
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^

quasi sentinel
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But power armour is a part of the lore of fallout

grave pilot
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Like I said, look at 2 and New Vegas and how PA is done there.

quasi sentinel
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Wdym?

grave pilot
quasi sentinel
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What's wrong with remnants power armour?

grave pilot
grave pilot
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But you look at it, and it only provides +3 DR at the cost of negative 1600 health.

quasi sentinel
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Right I get what you're talking about now

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I guess that makes it better I guess?

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Another issue is the X-01 stuff which in fine with but its still a lore break considering the Enclave developed it

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I'm fine with minor lore breaks but to lampoon 2 and NV specifically is silly

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I'm saying it's fine to make lore mistakes as long as the more major stuff is consistent

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Yeah I'm saying sure they should've done it better but considering the major stuff is the same I don't see the issue

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Like I can see why it's an issue but I don't see how it detracts from the games as a whole to the extent you claim

grave pilot
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Wait, which robot?

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Yes, 76 acknowledged and technically corrected it.

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Yes, they directly reference and deconstruct it in the tour.

quasi sentinel
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It never says robco invented Mr Handy only that model

grave pilot
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Here we have the lobby, reception desk, and everybody's favorite robot: Mr. Handy! I bet you didn't know that RobCo developed the Mr. Handy. That's because we didn't! General Atomics did! But we have added some very unique and morally questionable features to this guy over the years. So I guess that's why he's in our lobby now!

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Yeah, she does mention that. RobCo didn't invent it, but they did add a lot of features to it.

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Including developing the Mr. Gutsy, which was an F3 invention.

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And attributed to RobCo.

quasi sentinel
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The Mr. Handy MODEL shown

grave pilot
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Yeah, there's 2 Mr. Handies.

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The Type I, and the Type II. The Type I appears in F1/2.

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The Type II appears in 3 on.

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The Type I was, yes.

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RobCo only mentions making 3-4 hands.

quasi sentinel
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It's just adding lore

grave pilot
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Yeah, at this point, it's basically the reverse of the T-60.

quasi sentinel
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Why can't NV add lore?

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Fallout 4 can evidenced by the addition of the t60

grave pilot
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See the development of these metallic assistants and how they've made our lives easier.

Play our Artificial Intelligence game where you will program a robot and watch it obey your commands in real time! After seeing what makes them tick, you'll never look at your robot the same way again.

Exhibit sponsored by RobCo and General Atomics International.
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It was established as early as Fallout 3.

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It was sponsored by them, not donated.

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And it doesn't specify which robots were made by which company.

quasi sentinel
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Well it never said the Mr Handies were exclusively GAI

grave pilot
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The one time I recall was the stupid pop-up ad in F1/2.

quasi sentinel
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At least it never said Robco didn't have a hand

grave pilot
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Yes, that's called taking credit for things other people made because you made one or two minor changes to it.

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Or in simpler terms, plagiarism.

quasi sentinel
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@grave pilot bold of you to accuse Robert Edwin House of plagiarism. Surrounded by heavily armed securitrons...

grave pilot
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He didn't like GAI, so it's fair play.

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[FAILED] No. While brains demonstrated some use as organic processors in the robots produced by General Atomics International... They never retained personality once removed from the human body.

quasi sentinel
grave pilot
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Yes, apparently they were sold commercially.

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You get the pop-up ad promoting them.

quasi sentinel
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The biggest issue I have with East Coast fallout are the supermutants but I heard they were more fleshed out in 76 so all is forgiven

royal pagoda
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lore wise maybe but overall eeeeeeeh

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there were plenty of other things they could've introduced

quasi sentinel
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They really weren't in fo3 or 4, you never meaningfully interacted with them outside of 1 or 2 of them

grave pilot
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You interacted with about 1-2 meaningfully each game.

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F1: Harry, The Lieutenant.
F2: Marcus... Gond? Not many important mutants in 2.

royal pagoda
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wasn't the term super mutant introduced by the master, by the way?

grave pilot
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It was, yes.

royal pagoda
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how comes eastern SMs are called SMs and not something else?

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question for sole

grave pilot
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Anyways:
3. Fawkes, Uncle Leo.
4: Strong, Erikson.

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This.

royal pagoda
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why?

grave pilot
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Because they are mutants that are superior to humans.

royal pagoda
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I mean, it's not like fundamentals of mathematics is something important

grave pilot
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Alright, then a name being given to an outside civilization by others.

royal pagoda
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why would anyone care why 2+2=4 or why 2^0=1

grave pilot
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Like the Romans calling raiding nations "barbarians"

quasi sentinel
quasi sentinel
grave pilot
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1 had them exactly as big green raiders.

royal pagoda
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still, there's plenty of other names they could've used

grave pilot
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As does 2, on account of the lack of the Master's leadership.

quasi sentinel
grave pilot
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As for NV, it's more a commentary on how mutants will never truly be accepted, be they civilized or savage.

grave pilot
quasi sentinel
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What reasons for 4 let's say?

grave pilot
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Survival, reproduction.

royal pagoda
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if I had to rate SM lore by games I'd say fallout 1 > fallout nv > else

quasi sentinel
royal pagoda
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no games besides 1 and NV really bring anything new to the table

quasi sentinel
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My most unpopular fallout opinion is that I want the brotherhood retired

royal pagoda
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I mean in terms of characterization

grave pilot
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Or rather, slavers.

royal pagoda
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fallout 1 introduced super mutants, obviously, fallout NV introduced mental degradation

grave pilot
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2 kind of did as well.

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That was intelligence, this is talking about dementia and such.

royal pagoda
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I mean mental degradation caused by stealth boys

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should've elaborated, I differentiate between mental and intellectual

quasi sentinel
# grave pilot Yes, by literally acting as big green raiders.

Sure. But they had a purpose that was really well explained and they served a far greater role in the plot. They were treated as high level raiders I'll give you that but from a meta and lore perspective they were a coherent and well explained group. I don't think that the supermutants from Fallout 4 served the same purpose to the plot

grave pilot
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Well, they also didn't really need to.

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At the end of the day, the Super Mutants were basically Terminators to The Master's Skynet.

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You don't care about the mass army of Terminators for the same reason you don't truly care about the millions who die to fight some meaningless or meaningful war.

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But when faced with individuals, be they good or bad, you have much more investment.

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Hence why John Connor, the T-1000, and the T-800 made such compelling characters in Terminator 2.

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But when you hear of the Future War at the beginning, you don't necessarily care about what Skynet does or why they do it, or the individual backstory of each and every Terminator model.

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You just know that they're the big bad, and have to be stopped.

quasi sentinel
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But from a meta perspective they never seem like more than disorganised raiders in fallout 1 they served an important role to the main story and had another groups tied to them like the CoC which made them feel like big green raiders that had a unique relation to the world instead. We don't see this same level of integration with the world in 4 the insitute just put them out and that's it big green raider time. In fallout 1 we see people transforming or about to be transformed. We have a really good and non contrived reason for how each mutant would have come to been

grave pilot
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The CoC was the Master's doing, and basically a brainwashed cult.

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One that was going to be killed by the Master anyway.

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As for the Institute, the Super Mutants exist in 4 because they're effectively proto-Synths.

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The Institute, while attempting to make Gen 3 Synths, used FEV as a baseline.

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But each and every time, because of the lack of a "Prime Normal", failed.

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That was, until they found Shaun. A Pre-War gold mine of perfectly preserved genetics.

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And so, with FEV, combined with Shaun, the Institute effectively did what the Master could not.

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Create a fully humanoid race of super-humans.

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And not only that, but establish themselves in a way that they could co-exist with humans without needless violence.

quasi sentinel
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I guess? They have a very different purpose to the master though

grave pilot
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The Master's philosophy was always flawed.

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Marcus points it out in New Vegas.

quasi sentinel
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I meant that as a good thing didn't sound like it sorry

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Marcus is one of my all time favourite fallout characters

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House has to be my favourite though

grave pilot
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Long story, so here's the short version. The Master created the Super Mutants and Nightkin. The Master thought he could unify everyone. No more differences, no more war. {Beat, raises an eyebrow} Didn't end well.

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The Master sought to make a world of basically identical clones.

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Unfortunately, even FEV couldn't produce what were effectively brainless drones.

quasi sentinel
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I'm really enjoying Disco Elysium so far I'm at Evrart

grave pilot
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The Institute didn't want brainless drones, they wanted a superior human race that could one day take over once the surface world accepted them.

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Unfortunately, once Father took over, he grew to hate the surface world, and wanted nothing to do with it.

quasi sentinel
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I would've preferred an Insitute more hell bent on being the puppet master

grave pilot
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And so, the Gen 3 synths were regulated to simple positions like cleaners and fixers, as well as the occasional science experiment.

grave pilot
quasi sentinel
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How so?

grave pilot
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Well, think if House or Caesar didn't have their long monologues about why they do what they do.

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Or what they plan to do once they accomplish their goals. What motivation would you have to do their things for them?

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House you're basically a mailman for, and Caesar you either blow up his bunker, or live to serve as a hated woman, or a brainwashed man.

quasi sentinel
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No I mean like if Father gave a speech about all the institute could do for the world above and all they could accomplish once the population has become more... Servile

grave pilot
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In a way, he does give that speech, but in a more saddened tone.

quasi sentinel
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No I'm saying if I wrote the institute

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I would've had an institute more wanting to be puppet masters for their own gains but they also want to eventually give some of the tech to the commonwealth once they've been pacified

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I would've had father say something like "look at the people above. They have potential as I'm sure you've seen but... They're sick. It should be more than obvious to you left to their own devices, the endless cycle of destruction will continue and then who knows what horrors could manifest. That Brotherhood that floats above them could be the death of us and we need to prevent the next Brotherhood but a "free" commonwealth will only produce more"

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That's awfully written I know but idk I would've liked a more active institute

grave pilot
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Well, he does kind of say that.

quasi sentinel
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Yeah Benjamin I know that I've said that repeatedly I'm talking about if I was given the reigns of fallout 4 what I would do

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Oh that was to sole survivor sorry

bright snow
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the canon fallout 4 protagonist

quasi sentinel
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Kaliteli sohbet

jade mantle
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Still dreaming about Fallout 5.

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It saddens me that the future Fallout generations may not even know about the existence of such masterpiece as Fallout New Vegas, only recalling Fallout 76.

jade mantle
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How can you say that?

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It had everything it required.
Good storytelling.
Interesting Faction system.
Multiple side quests.
Actual Roleplay features.
Seriousness you should expect from a post-nuclear survival game.
Well-made DLCs.
Many unique Characters.
Timeline-accurate weapons.
Good enough graphics.
Consequences of the player's actions.
Cool radio stations.

abstract sun
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This put into words a lot of what I felt about Fallout 3. Granted I can admit a few things are because "rose tinted glasses" effect, but the same is true of people who idolize NV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE

worldly void
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"Fallout 3 bad" is a pretty poor narrative.
Fallout New Vegas is good because Fallout 3 is good.

jade mantle
abstract sun
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It's all circle jerking really, it's just the groups don't want to admit it is.

worldly void
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It's a good thing this isn't NMA, because we'd be banned for suggesting F3 and F4 are good games.

jade mantle
abstract sun
worldly void
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hbomberguy is pretty biased while MATN actually goes through the arguments and shows what's good and bad.

north radish
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nah, NMA changed in recent years, they even allow to mention Fallout 76 AND talk about Fallout 1st subscription

jade mantle
worldly void
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Hell, JSawyer still sees things he'd change of New Vegas

abstract sun
jade mantle
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Hm.

north radish
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old Fallout forums that were main power in criticizing Bethesda Fallout games (for being 3d, for one. New Vegas being 3d was not a crime)

abstract sun
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The comments remind me of people praising The Last Jedi

worldly void
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I like SOME of New Vegas.
And I keep on trying to defend my position on loving having a NPC to connect you to the world like in F3 and a lesser extend F4

jade mantle
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The NCR made a mistake by stretching itself so thin. They wanted to take Mojave in order to ensure their control of Hoover Dam. NCR became more imperialistic, harassing locals into submission. House was trading with the NCR, but saw that they want to take over.

worldly void
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Yeah.

abstract sun
jade mantle
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Edward Sallow, AKA Caesar impressed his tribe with his intellect. At first, he was convincing other tribes to join him. But after he got enough numbers, he began his domination.

worldly void
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You gotta admit it's weird that the NCR, who has experience fighting Super Mutants, BoS, and the ENCLAVE have trouble with groups of raiders in football gear.

jade mantle
worldly void
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Kimball too.

jade mantle
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Well, yes.

worldly void
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Tandi was the best president. And then it was downhill from there.

jade mantle
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NCR, like any other nation is flawed.

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Ulysses was right in some ways.

abstract sun
abstract sun
jade mantle
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Obsidian was doing great games, but it sadly went bankrupt.

worldly void
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Ulysses was also a miguided fool that thinks he should take revenge on a person that wouldn't have known that his package would have caused the Divide.

jade mantle
worldly void
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Yeah... Still his motivation is convoluted and makes no sense.

jade mantle
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Tribes have different believes and values.

worldly void
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I know.

jade mantle
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Caesar burned and threw Joshua down some canyon. He didn't scream once.

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Joshua Graham is another interesting character. A former Legate who was redeemed.

worldly void
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Ulysses isn't redeemed though

jade mantle
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New Vegas had this atmosphere of an actual Nuclear wasteland.

worldly void
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Not really? A lot of it was redeveloped.

jade mantle
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Which Fallout do you think is the most apocalyptic?

worldly void
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Fallout 1 and Fallout 3.
Fallout 4 if we want to include the chaos of the Boston Ruins

jade mantle
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Fallout 3 showed a ruined Washington DC and a Brotherhood chapter that tried to help people.

worldly void
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The Divide in NV is the closest I'd put to Apocalyptic. Same with the Sierra Madre

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And what is wrong with helping people?

jade mantle
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Nothing is wrong with that.

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I like to see the people struggling to survive. Some people deciding to become raiders and rob people, others trying to settle down peacefully.

worldly void
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And New Vegas barely had that.
The Fiends of Vault 3 and the thugs of Freeside.
But even then they were driven by societal pressure, not the result of the Great War itself

jade mantle
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Fiends were drug addicts and the thugs were people who wanted to exploit the weak.

worldly void
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Yeah.
Context matters too, not just the actions

jade mantle
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Great Khans were tribal raiders.

worldly void
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Great Khans were a tribe beset from multiple downfalls ever since Fallout 1.

abstract sun
jade mantle
abstract sun
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Tenpenny Tower

worldly void
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You're forgetting other settlements. Tenpenny Tower, Canterberry Commons, Republic of Dave

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Technically the Pitt if we want to go there.

abstract sun
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I'm saying 3, unlike NV, had more small settlements that were at the mercy of the wasteland

jade mantle
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Republic of Dave was a joke (as a Republic).

worldly void
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True

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Still a settlement that could trade

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Techically, we also have Big Town and Little Lamplight too

jade mantle
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Hm.

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People tried to bring civilization to the Wasteland.

worldly void
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One could argue they succeeded in NCR and New Vegas.

jade mantle
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True.

worldly void
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The Battle of Hoover Dam is border disputes between giant nations

jade mantle
#

There were also the Followers of the Apocalypse.

worldly void
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Followers don't really have settlements, being allied to NCR interests

jade mantle
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I hope that Bethesda will continue the Fallout history on the West Coast.

worldly void
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Honestly, I'm curious about their initial ideas that they had for F4.
They barely worked on it, but they had a New York setting in mind early on iirc.

Nick Valentine is technically a remnant of that.

jade mantle
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New York? There would only be ruined buildings, there could be little to no farms.

worldly void
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True. But that'd be the Big Apple.
It could be like a Boston situation where the map is mostly city with outskirt settlements and whatnot.
Especially with the implications from previous Fallout games that New York is mostly a crater.

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On a note...
I do apologize if I seemed antagonistic in any way in our discussion.

jade mantle
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That's alright.

north radish
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and don't even believe Fallout 5 is going to happen at all \o/
Starfield, fill-the-void-between-Starfield-and-TES 6 game, TES 6, Starfield 2... and then retirement <3
and since universe where Todd Howard's team doesnt make games is not my universe, no-Todd-Howard's-Fallout is not worth considering
(unless of course Microsoft forbid great Todd Howard to retire)

jade mantle
north radish
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eh? not too many people, really

jade mantle
#

And the Obsidian supporters? Like myself?

north radish
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i mean, whoever prefers isometric classic RPGs sure, can play whatever they want

jade mantle
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I want to retain hopes for a new Fallout title.

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There were 122 Vaults, after all.

languid cape
jade mantle
north radish
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and Obsidian supporters like yourself are in fact Todd Howards fans, you folks just dont know about it yet <3 play Fallout 3, play earlier Fallouts, and then play Planescape games, Tyranny, Grounded, and fine, maybe Outer Worlds and you'll accept the true faith \o/

languid cape
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As a reminder, we don't permit the bashing of individuals (including ZeniMax employees), groups, or other companies on the server

jade mantle
north radish
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wasn't just good, it was like-nothing-before \o/ (i allow myself to say that despite that i skipped it back then and New Vegas happened to be my first Fallout)

abstract sun
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I honestly feel bad for people who won't play 3 or play 3 with the intent of not enjoying it because bias towards NV

jade mantle
north radish
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ah, see? need to google more, you do

jade mantle
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Both Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas had something Special in them.

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I only began disliking Bethesda after 76.

north radish
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many people thought they dislike Bethesda after 76, but then Starfield trailer happened <3

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anyways, you're praising the wrong people, you'll understand that in time 👍

jade mantle
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Perhaps.

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But I still have great respect for Obsidian. For bringing us the Fallout franchise.

worldly void
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That was Interplay.

royal pagoda
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I feel bad for people who won't play 3 using TTW mod

north radish
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the The guy who brought us Fallout, The Leonard Boyarski (..i think?), he wasn't working on New Vegas

worldly void
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TTW is pretty good. You need a decent system for it though

royal pagoda
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TTW is not resource heavy but it requires a ton to install

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but in general I recommend people to play TTW instead of 3 or NV separately

jade mantle
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I checked some things and read that Fallout is owned by Microsoft. Maybe there will be a Fallout 5?

royal pagoda
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read the discussion a little, imagine supporting a corporation who's main goal is to milk people for money

worldly void
royal pagoda
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don't you people know how capitalism works

jade mantle
royal pagoda
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all of them

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they're all greedy lol

jade mantle
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Well, that's how the world works.

latent robin
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what's so great about obsidian?

worldly void
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Humans are greedy. What's new?

worldly void
latent robin
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how so?

north radish
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uh, Fallout history in two words.
1995-ish, game publisher Interplay lets their developers do whatever the heck they want. Leonard Boyarski, Tim Cain (..i think?) and few other whose names i forgot came up with the idea of RPG -not- set in a high fantasy world. Boyarski imagined retro-futuristic post apocalypse, was his idea. They made this demo, Vault-13 that their boss Brian Fargo loved a lot and greenlit it, and renamed it Fallout.
uh, somebody please continue?

worldly void
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Pillars of Eternity, Outer Worlds, early on they did KOTOR 2

languid cape
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How about both studios made good games and there's no need to fight because it's literally personal preference

abstract sun
worldly void
latent robin
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the title pillars of eternity is really... bad

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i didnt care for obsidians writing, linear story and world building but i did like their weapon design and choices and armor design in fonv

north radish
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um, yeah. Fallout game was great success (in a world where videogames stood next to pron, as great Todd Howard joked), and Interplay just had to monetize it. Somehow original authors left the company, that includes Tim and Leo, and new stars arose - Chris Avellone, Brian Mitsoda (..i think?). Fallout 2 however was different from Fallout 1, thematically. was closer to comedy. Ah, and the studio that made it, they called themselves Black Isle.

abstract sun
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Some people prefer linear stories and knowing where to go

royal pagoda
worldly void
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Tim and Leonard love their dark jokes

north radish
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(Tim and Leo made other legends after that, Arcanum RPG, a steam-punk fantasy and OH MY GOD Vampire the Masquerade BLoodlines, along with Brian Mitsoda, guy who worked on Fallout 2)

worldly void
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Yup

abstract sun
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I still need to play Bloodlines...

worldly void
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The Outer Worlds is their recent love child. I personally love it

north radish
#

and now, skies darken over Fallout ._ . Interplay the Publisher was losing its grip.

abstract sun
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Funnily enough, isn't Outer Worlds thematically/tonally closer to FO2 than 1?

worldly void
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Interplay made some...... Frankly horrible business decisions and crippled their projects in the warly 2000s

north radish
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thematically yeah, i suppose, Outer Worlds is a lot like Fallout 2... ummm, ive only played it about 15 minutes on xbox pass <.< too much comedy, couldn stand it. and of course bitterness after their promo campaign

latent robin
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i don't care for jrpgs, but their survival game grounded looks interesting to play on gamepass

north radish
#

anyways... Interplay the Fallout Owner made some terrible games, Fallout tactics (many like it though) and Fallout Brotherhood of Steel. They burried the series, they did it. It was dead before great Todd Howard necroed it. D.E.A.D>

abstract sun
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I have never seen "jrpg" and "survival" said about the same game

royal pagoda
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the only obsidian game I got into was the bloodlines

north radish
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Obsidian didnt make Bloodlines >.<

latent robin
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obsidian typically makes jrpgs, so grounded is a nice change of pace

abstract sun
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JRPG usually mean Japanese RPG

royal pagoda
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oh wait, true, it was troika

north radish
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long live Troika \o/ oh wait, they died

latent robin
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jrpg meaning main story narrative focused story line

worldly void
worldly void
latent robin
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as opposed to crpg which are open world and main story line is boilerplate or an afterthought

worldly void
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The Bethesda purchase of Fallout was massive in... 2006 I think?

languid cape
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JRPG refers to a specific type of RPG that is mostly made in Japan. Has nothing to do with narrative focus, as you kinda need a story to even be an RPG

latent robin
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people call bioware a jrpg maker kind of jokingly but some truth to it

worldly void
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Not really

latent robin
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crpgs often had boilerplate main stories like save the baron's niece from the evil dragon

worldly void
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JRPG is Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest

latent robin
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and the success of ff7 influenced many american game makers

abstract sun
latent robin
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ff7 was the first rpg with a kind of broad mainstream success

worldly void
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Elder Scrolls is the biggest and most successful example of CRPGs.
More examples include Wizardry, many of the D&D games, Arcanum, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, etc

latent robin
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darklands didn't even have a main story per se

worldly void
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All RPGs have story focus

latent robin
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if you include side quests as stories

worldly void
#

Roguelike is a different genre with similar conventions

north radish
#

er, Col. Augustus Autumn left, i suppose to familiarize themselves with Obsidian's actual involvement in Fallout franchise <.< awright

worldly void
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:/
Was I too aggressive?

north radish
#

wut? nah, i'd say they wanted to learn more \o/

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anybody played Dragon's Dogma? rpg made by capcom, japanese developer, but looking like western fantasy with western tropes and stuff. is it JRPG?

worldly void
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Wow.

They're action games with RPG elements

abstract sun
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A few elements like buying upgrades does not an RPG make

worldly void
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Yeah.
I apologize if I got heated in my discussions here.

north radish
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AC Kassandra has branched quests with choices and long lasting consequences. Every conversation allows to pick at least three different replies, different personalities

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havent tried Valhalla yet..

worldly void
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Ive seen Horizon Zero Dawn put into the "This is an RPG" kind of thing as well.
And that doesn't really have consequences like Fallout does

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It's an open world Action game with RPG and some survival elements

south sentinel
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No love for Wasteland... Just finished my first playthrough of Wasteland 3,now thats a great post apocalyptic rpg.

worldly void
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Wasteland is awesome

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Toaster Repair underrated skill in the original

north radish
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for the record, original Assassins Creed creator... what's his name.. something french?, he called the game RPG - because it allowd to roleplay an assassin <3 turn off the UI he said and just follow your intuition, Listen to the crowd, find your victim, assassinate \o/

south sentinel
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Wasteland 2 was great aswell, never experienced the first one though.

worldly void
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Agreed

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Having level ups don't make you an RPG, dammit!

south sentinel
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They called AC Odyssey an rpg... It wasn't, it wasn't even Assassin's Creed, cant understand how they can even compare it to Witcher...

north radish
#

anyways, found the reference

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Origins and Odyssey have Leyla's character arc in modern world and well, Isu civilization, main hero's journey, assassins vs. templars conflict \o/ not bad for a triple A uber popular action games

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er, gotta take shower, brb

abstract sun
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It would be better if we were just meta-wise playing a "game" or watching a "movie" made by Abstergo and they were just collecting everyone's experiences for their own ends, no need to actually have us play as the person playing/watching

latent robin
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2k calls bordlerands an action rpg XD

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i couldnt stand the repetitive clickfest combat in wasteland 2 and stopped playing after reaching california

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and no jrpg/linear rpg has improved upon the original phantasy star 1 and 2

north radish
south sentinel
north radish
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oooh, and when Isu hologram talked to me personally, skipping Kassandra? and then skipping ME as well because who knows where emulation ends? x) lovely

abstract sun
viral quest
north radish
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Origins has you swap characters? :O is it Aya? i've only recently started, after Odyssey

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darn it ._ . All that stuff i posted about AC btw, im not even much of a fan <.< these are just top quality games with historical settings, hard to miss. haven't played lots of titles because at some point there were just too much UI. Black Flag for one..

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watching Jonah Lobe's 2,5 video about his work at BGS (Fallout 3, Skyrim, some of Fallout 4). he talks about Todd Howards couple times (audience asked), talks about vehicles, and his job as 3d model artist. oh my, i've already covered 1 hour of it, havent even noticed

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watcha think about historical tours AC brought, MODUS? you played them?

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weeell i mean, their in-house 'concept' video for developers was Alexios running around town like Mark Renton with 'Lust for Life' playing on the background x) wasnt meant it to be taken serious. Though i watched some of their GDC talk, how they made every bloody town have its identity based on historical doocuments, that's impressive level of detail. nothing's generic..
ha-ha, was hard not to imagine something like this tour in TES universe <3

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huh, things they share on ubi launcher, these docs? never clicked them myself. are they too.. techy? x) or like, for broad audience?

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Fallout yes, great franchise, m-hm, great franchise

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i remember some titles from 'how to build your computer' (duh) to women at ubi to gods know what else

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wanna hear a story about Todd Howard walking like deathclaw?

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so Jonah Lobe sits at BGS office, his last months at this job, some empty corridor with glass wall..

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wait, rewind for like years prior. Jonah Lobe made his deathclaw model for Fallout 3. he was still a newbie, BGS being his first serious employer. Deathclaw had tiny thinly fingers, they'd crack if say, this predator snatched a brahmin and had to keep it while it tried to run and stuff. Fallout 4 version was perfection of it. Strong arms, thick hide, and little gap between its fangs - for this creature to smell things with its viper tongue (Jonah's idea)...

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..and so he sits there at the office, months after pitching the deathclaw to management and Todd Howard passes by, behind that glass wall. Howard sees Jonah, and starts walking like F4 deathclaw and puts his tongue out! :D

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"is Todd Howard sexy in real life? Yes very sexy. Lot of confidence, lot of charisma"
fallout yes, great franchise <.<

viral quest
#

Uhhhhh quick question, so I had a tamed deathstalker scorpion in a settlement, then I just came back to it after a while and now it is an albino scorpion, how did this happen?

shrewd hinge
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I kinda want to see "new music".. Mainly wastelanders making their own tunes, and seeing how that works.

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Since recording music would probably be impossible in the wasteland at the moment, the best thing they could do is play at an radio station every now and then.

quasi sentinel
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There's good neighbour in fo4 and there's a few in fonv

shrewd hinge
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Mhm. I would like them to expand on it an little, and let us be able to hear an musician from time to time.

latent robin
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Beth should integrate radio stations with twitch

bright snow
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give me ur art teacher

worldly void
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OoO

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Awesome art teacher is awesome

viral quest
versed coyote
# viral quest ^

Lack of sunlight or the Michael Jackson effect. Really though, it may be because you levelled up and the scorpion matches your level by going up to a higher tier, that being Albino.

viral quest
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Oh ok ok thanks

viral quest
shrewd hinge
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I would like suppressors to add a smidge of range instead of taking away from it...

timid swan
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Fallout New Orleans would be amazing!

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A derelict, half submerged French Quarter, Radgators, mutated snapping turtles, plantations full of ferals

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Old rusted ships jamming up the Mississippi River

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Carnival warehouse where they keep all the Mardi Gras floats

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I’m just saying… maybe a dev would see this and consider it 😊

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Rad-hurricanes

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Swamps

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Giant radiated crawfish

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So many possibilities

versed coyote
# timid swan Fallout New Orleans would be amazing!

Gangstar New Orleans is set there if you can get past the mobile game ads. It's more of a GTA clone but still, just pretend you're a raider gang going after other raider gangs and hiding from the cops NCR.

timid swan
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I will accept it as Fallout DLC 😂

south sentinel
shrewd hinge
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Having an suppressor cut an decent chunk out of range is... A little silly, to say the least.

north radish
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ive never managed to finish it. came to that enclave oil rig well prepared, i thought, killed everything on my way.. failed persuasion check in the end, so power-armored boys didnt fight for me. who knew 100% wasn't enough.. failed to hack turrets - who knew you mustn't touch the console untill the fight. and when that tall robotic guy came out with all his health bar and one hit shootey guns, i didnt even bother to waste time on him. settled on "my mission failed"

royal pagoda
#

the best part about the first two fallout games is that you can actually fail

north radish
#

speaking of failing :'( just the other night i returned triumphant to my shelter in Dead State, zombie apocalyptic isometric RPG, game from Brian Mitsoda, who also worked on Fallout 2. With my war party we assassinated some local biker warlord that threatened us. Was so proud and happy.
Come next morning, i get summoned by my Right Hand let's call him, the guy who put me in charge of the shelter. he said, he was to blame. Was his decision to promote me to leader so every my failure is his.. BANG. he shot me.
"you hear a loud sound like a thundercrack and a pain like being hit with a baseball bat. You look down and notice that blood is pouring out of a hole near your heart."
nobody died on my watch, i risked my damn life every day to get these ungrateful spoiled b-tard food, recharging batteries for their portable consoles, magazines and stuff. To end me like that because their mood was "okay" instead of "happy". Damn videogames :'(

quasi sentinel
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Yeah its the 2nd best one

versed valve
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Fallout 2 is the best imo still give me PTSD whenever i see frank horrigan

versed coyote
versed valve
versed valve
quasi sentinel
near summit
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ok ok

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what if

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Fallout: Texas

keen helm
#

I'm still hoping for Arizona as there'd be easy tie-ins with 1/2/NV without stepping on their toes, and you'd have a host of environmental biomes to use

viral quest
#

They should do a fallout like around either Texas, somewheres in like Idahoe or Montana, or maybe Florida

near summit
viral quest
near summit
#

Whoops confused it with Florida

south sentinel
keen helm
#

Though realistically they'd probably have it go from Tuscon to Flag

viral quest
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They should do it in Texas, and have dlc in Arizona and Florida, and maybe even Mexico

keen helm
#

Those are kinda weirdly disjointed places to have DLC in tho, no?

viral quest
keen helm
#

a Mexico DLC would make sense and would probably be super cool though

viral quest
#

Bruh I didn't even say anything bad

viral quest
south sentinel
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Maybe we run into Raul Tejada again in mexico dlc

viral quest
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That would be dope

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I would love to see one of the Vegas companions again

keen helm
#

Arcade come thruuuu

versed valve
#

I got one better Fallout:Tokyo

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Or korea

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If they dare make it

keen helm
#

The likelihood of them making an overseas Fallout is kinda unlikely. But if they did I'd wanna see the Middle East

quasi sentinel
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It would sort of run counter to the commentary on American exceptionalism if it were set outside of America

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My main hope for new fallout is that the Brotherhood aren't in it

latent robin
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if it was japan, it should have 50s japan scifi theme and design. japan would be great fo

south sentinel
#

It would be interesting to view the Fallout world from China's perspective.

quasi sentinel
#

damn fallout 1 good

keen helm
latent robin
#

china would just be difficult to handle politically

keen helm
#

Undoubtedly. Still makes the most sense tho

clear mason
#

Just, not a place to go, at all. No touchy

viral quest
quasi sentinel
quasi sentinel
shrewd hinge
#

I do hope Cybernetics make an return.

north radish
#

yeah, some F4 perks would work better as implants. like, less gamey? aquagirl for example, breathing underwater

timid sluice
#

I think aqua boy/girl would be more like a mutation than a cybernetic implant, in my opinion of course

versed coyote
timid sluice
versed coyote
worldly void
#

Honestly for balance reasons, I would have made it Aquaboy/girl Rank 2 the one that gives the ability to breathe underwater

timid sluice
#

hmmm, I could swear that I remember nearly drowning once in power armor with a helmet equiped, though I may be wrong as it has been several years since that happened and I always get the Aqua Boy/Girl perk to rank 2 since then, and I am referring to Fallout 4 by the way

quasi sentinel
nimble shard
#

Huh. Never knew there was a Glock 86 in the Necropolis sewers

versed coyote
south sentinel
#

I never take aqua perk, i like survival as hard as possible.

versed coyote
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True, it does feel cheaty, like Light Step or the last perk of the lockpicking tree (totally unneeded as locks are way too easy in my eyes. In Skyrim I had to struggle as I didn't want to put perk point into lockpicking.)

south sentinel
#

I use a mod that removes lightstep

mellow kelp
#

i thought only enclave had access to APA

royal pagoda
safe finch
#

so some ships have been spotted off in the coast of alaska 😄 i guess we all know whats happening 😄

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nothing

grave wedge
#

where is the fallout new vegas chat

urban crag
maiden adder
mellow kelp
digital cedar
south sentinel
viral quest
royal pagoda
#

you asked the forbidden question

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prepare to be assimilated

versed valve
bright snow
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nah

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fallout 3 is

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or 1

maiden adder
#

We all know that Fallout Shelter is the best one. Certainly player count wise

latent robin
#

It has more players than all other beth games combined

half forge
#

Good morning

versed coyote
#

It's... 1PM for me.

bright snow
#

rip to u
good morning shoresline

viral quest
#

Imagine not living in Vegas

quasi sentinel
#

The city of cowards

drifting tartan
#

You can, sometimes it's just really iffy
@quasi sentinel

visual siren
#

Hmmm I sill have a working PS3 and recently purchased Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas, how do they compare in gameplay with Fallout 4?

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Are there factions and stuff like in FO 4 or is it different?

versed valve
#

Just yolo man

lone crypt
visual siren
grave pilot
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@shy falcon I was rereading the F2 game guide the other day, and at the end, they put exactly what developers worked on what locations during F2, or who did what in terms of overall bits.

royal pagoda
#

both fo3 and fnv have weapon degradation unlike fo4, fo3 and fnv also have better unique weapons compared to fo4

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generally I recommend you play TTW as it combines fo3 and fnv as well as fixes a ton of issues

visual siren
royal pagoda
#

it allows you to combine fo3 and fnv into one game

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keep in mind it can be pretty challenging to install so if you don't have experience modding bethesda games be cautious

visual siren
royal pagoda
#

oh sorry I didn't notice you said PS3

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I mean I did notice but I don't connect the dots like that

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generally I think that despite being clunky fo3 and fnv can stand on their own just fine, in some ways they are lacking, in some they are better than fo4

versed valve
#

Man now that obsidian own by Microsoft now I wish Bethesda give them the IP to have another Crack at this

maiden adder
#

Obsidian changed. It is not the same company from 2010. And they have their own IPs

spice oriole
#

thats not how that works anyways

versed valve
#

Noice

versed valve
#

Man this sever is cold

bright snow
#

fr

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chats r always slow

versed valve
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Yeah

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Let start a topic

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Fallout 5 need more pet

timid sluice
#

yeah, would be cool if there was a Future Fallout and a Future The Elder Scrolls chat

north radish
#

i'd take pet feral ghouls. like say, adopt a family of ferals. keep em caged of course but also fed and warm. toss em meat and stuff

bright snow
#

that sounds morally wrong

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lmao

north radish
#

morally grey! falloutey enough. BoS guy did that under Boston airport actually in F4

mellow kelp
#

would fallout 4 be the farthest ahead game on the time line?

maiden adder
keen helm
#

Ye

mellow kelp
#

sad to see the waste still hasnt recovered after all that time

#

i do hope the next game will be around the same time but on the west coast instead

maiden adder
mellow kelp
#

good point, very true

maiden adder
#

I wonder where on the timeline Fallout TV show is going to take place

mellow kelp
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maybe some kind of new vegas mystery show

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i hope they do power armor recreations

spice oriole
mellow kelp
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recovered back into a real society i mean

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on the east coast, at least.

spice oriole
#

plants are regrowing

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||harold|| is most likely helping

versed valve
versed valve
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Man I wish fallout 4 have races like skyrim

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I sometimes want to play a super mutant

latent robin
#

I would like the TV show to be like band of brothers, but with war against China. Could be edgy, intense and controversial so beth would never do it

versed valve
#

Noice

cunning fog
#

I’ve got heartaches but the numbers, troubles by the score. Everyday you love me less each day I love more

quasi sentinel
#

How does the 13 yr time limit work in fo2