#fallout-tv-series

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spring basin
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They already had them in season 1.

plush quest
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I agree that the Enclave shouldn’t be in every piece of Fallout media that comes out, but I think it’s appropriate to have them in the TV show given how much of it takes place pre-war

bold copper
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The one in show season one is a scientist base which can just be that
We can see in the games these style places which are not faction leader places. Thats what i saw with that base.

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As for enclave prewar, we had a hint of them at the end of season 1.
We have to keep adding in perspectives to be able to have an open enclave story since the ghoul wouldnt be a part of it

plush quest
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The Enclave is the manifestation of corrupted capital and government. It’s what happens everytime when an empire lasts too long.

spring basin
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Side note: anyone else like || wtf is barb doing? When she stabs Hank in the neck to retrieve the cold fusion? || thought it was funny.

bold copper
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The enclave is a distinct organization created within the united states.
If we use your thinking then then every group in fallout is the enclave since they all follow your reasoning

plush quest
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You’re not understanding my reasoning then

bold copper
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Of course the weak NCR who got beat by 1 nuke wont be enclave and the children posing as the brotherhood wont be either

spring basin
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Who's posing as brotherhood?

plush quest
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We know the NCR isn’t defeated just weakened, given the context we learn from the old Filly junk vendor lady

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They’re regrouping within Khan territory

bold copper
plush quest
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Sorry I speak in metaphors. I don’t mean that literally but I mean it thematically

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every group that fits that description isn’t literally the enclave

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But the Enclave is the strongest representation of that mentality in the series

orchid lake
bold copper
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I loved the enclave. That sinister organization pulling strings. It did work well.

spring basin
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The shadow kage

orchid lake
plush quest
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It’s kind of shown in the show given how much House freaks out about their secrecy

tribal warren
bold copper
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Now we have papa vault-tec teleporting around the wasteland abducting people then putting clone trooper loyalty chip on their necks

orchid lake
plush quest
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Idk a lot of negative fan reactions to me sound like “don’t touch anything old but also don’t give me anything new!”

orchid lake
bold copper
tribal warren
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i thinhk hank & barb are both enclave tbh

orchid lake
spring basin
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Tbh that'd be wild

plush quest
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The Enclave hasn’t been a secret organization since Fallout 2. That’s more of a pre-war thing

orchid lake
plush quest
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They’re literally parading around in loud vertibirds wearing shining armor with their logo on it screaming WE ARE THE ENCLAVE, PREPARE TO DIE

orchid lake
orchid lake
plush quest
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I think there are good storylines they can do with the Enclave such as a redemptive coup similar to Autumn, but they will always have to be the bad guy given the values and themes they represent

tribal warren
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consider this: we saw barb being forced by enclave to take actions within vault tec. the main plot left is cooper has not found his wife. Checkov's gun, they showed enclave base & experiments, also are eluding to janey maybe not in the cyro, that's like the "big end" here that they have been building all season (cooper says from day 1 his goal is to find his family). The only info we can see with our eyes is that coops wife acted on behalf of enclave.

So, you really don't see how the plot here is about the enclave..? you don't think enclave is going to drive the plot with cooper and his wife?

plush quest
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It’s why people dislike this portrayal of the Brotherhood, they don’t represent the values of themes of the Brotherhood presented in past titles

bold copper
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Yup, when the Enclave raised their heads to show everyone they are real they got vaporized.
Some small groups may not know they’re dead yet or think Hank in the way he teleports is the enclave.
Thinking this they are trying to expande their forces

tribal warren
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cant blame house, can't blame vault tec, and they hinted at enclave... pretty sure that tells something

orchid lake
tribal warren
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and no even ma june or whomever she knows the enclave no prob they put out a literal bounty i wouldn't say they are hiding or a small part of the story

plush quest
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If the Enclave is as deep seeded in the pre-war government as the games make them out to be, it’d make sense they’d have more locations than 2 major headquarters

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Cut content in 76 suggests there was an additional 3rd main headquarter in Norfolk Naval Base

orchid lake
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bold copper
plush quest
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Yeh it’s hard to be the most technologically advanced faction with the most resources in the series while also having to rely on cowardly subterfuge

orchid lake
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And it would allow for some interesting plot threads as well

bold copper
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Paranoid is a key element in fallout

plush quest
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A plot line similar to that seems to be happening with MODUS and the Resoonders but 76 lore rolls out so slowly that I doubt I’ll ever see the conclusion of that plot line

orchid lake
# bold copper Paranoid is a key element in fallout

Yeah and honestly it fits their prior Shadow Govt history, so they probably will want to fall back on it, because it did end up working out for them, yet the moment the started directly engaging with other factions they got curb stomped

plush quest
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I really wish they’d bring back the Free States. They were one of the only groups to know about the Enclave pre and post war and literally succeeded from the Union to try to fight them

orchid lake
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Also in a way that'd kinda bring back the Fallout 4 "anyone can be a synth!" Theme

orchid lake
plush quest
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The subterfuge side of them really shines in the holo-tapes scattered around Harper’s Ferry

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Abby Singh and Raleigh Clay are still unaccounted for

bold copper
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I cant comment on fallout 4 didjt get very far in it. The only thing i really know is the battle between fans in the is synth a real boy or not

orchid lake
bold copper
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I got to drive home now, it has been a real nice debate.

orchid lake
tribal warren
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i have a feeling some of the 76 enclave stuff might get written off or be like semi/non-canon

plush quest
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Why would that be the case?

tribal warren
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i just don't know if it's really gonna work the whole "just infinitely nuke shiz for magic elements its not bad!" in a TV show vs a game

orchid lake
plush quest
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76 does have a weird canon, but it makes sense if you consider that technically every quest/event/activity/etc only happened once

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There have canonically only been 4, maybe 5, nukes dropped in Appalachia so far

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Every player choice after that is treated similar to player choices in other Fallout games, they’re all presented as canon until solidified

crisp grail
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as long as Fallout continues to dominate in the Male 18-34 market, the show will continue to green lit by Amazon- unsure how long the Nolans wanna keep doing this tho

The 18-34 male demo for ya'll not in marketing or whatnot is the most prized demo out there and also the hardest to reach that isnt NFL or NBA and both those organizations know that, so they charge PREMIUM for access

So any show that does this well in the demo is like an advertisers
holy grail

orchid lake
runic relic
tribal warren
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welll yes but i want that though as long as bgs doesn't hold it back & full explores it

runic relic
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prolly the season after the next season will be an enclave season

orchid lake
runic relic
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i can already see it

tribal warren
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tell us EVERYTHING i'm talking all the bases all their partners including countries, how they setup their infrastructure without detection, i wanna see their plans for mars kinda thing. show us absolutely everything then wipe them off the face of the earth and leave theem in their grave for eternity

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if they do that enclave is great imo

orchid lake
plush quest
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Never gonna happen. They’re a cancer on society that you can’t cure

tribal warren
# orchid lake Why?

because they're the most asked about kinda thing in lore discussions. hard to talk about prewar without mentioning enclave, and by extension vault-tec. if they can flesh this out and make sense of it all, then why not? it's great content that we have asked for (maybe not u specifically but go check out NMA forums etc)

runic relic
tribal warren
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the only reason BGS keeps coming back to Enclave is cause they havent fully fleshed it out and they know they've left lore on the table there imo

plush quest
runic relic
orchid lake
plush quest
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Fans like to them too much and there are lore reasons to always have a place for them in the story

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There are military bases and government infrastructure ALL OVER the US

tribal warren
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i think the factions are like "wells" in this game, and right now they're finite. once the "well" of enclave faction lore etc dries up, we can finally move to another faction etc. I hope it's the same for other stuff to really, like their "new vegas" well is already drying up. Their "in vault" well has not even gotten close to drying up. does that make sense? idk

runic relic
plush quest
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They’re an easy way to introduce and explain super mutants, ghouls, mutated creatures, whatever sci-fi stuff that’s also core to the identity of Fallout

runic relic
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also i hope its someone whos actually smart unlike Eckhart Richardson modus or J Eden

plush quest
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Idk much about Eden lore but could it be a flashback to the last pre-war president?

runic relic
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maybe

livid wasp
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It would be sick if the uranium that the super mutant put in coopers wound turned him into a sentient glowing one like Jason and Oswald

frozen bramble
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livid wasp
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wheat glacier
sturdy tundra
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The Enclave was never wiped out, we know they have multiple active bases across the country and they're still a threat as of F4.

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They've been severely beaten back, but the BOS civil war is likely to give them a chance to resurge

sturdy tundra
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the thousand-year Steel Plague that they become if Rhombus dies in F1

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and he's probably been dead a while now.

wheat glacier
sturdy tundra
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Tactics already established there's multiple chapters and F3's run with their burgeoning dominion having internal teething issues along the way

wheat glacier
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I gotta learn more on Enclave and BoS.

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But... heading out for now. See you around, Wastelanders.

sturdy tundra
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And hell, as the show itself points out, Roger Maxson formed the BOS as a rebellion against the current order

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It's also a specific point that in F1's time they've already long forgotten Roger Maxson for the most part, being more a figurehead of history than an active influence. They already weren't his BOS the very first time we ever see them, just what they had become.

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Also I'd like to point out that the original devs already established it was China that launched the nukes, not just "hinted".

pulsar parrot
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They haven’t owned fallout for decades

sturdy tundra
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And while the Fallout Bible isn't necessarily canon post-Bethesda, they haven't really overridden it yet either

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I still say I can see Barb or the like being the one to leak FEV's existence to China, leading to the nukes.

pulsar parrot
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That would be a cool twist, in trying to stop the end of the world, she inadvertently caused it

sturdy tundra
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Or intentionally.

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Pulling a Norm, causing chaos to usurp the original plan.

pulsar parrot
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Tru

orchid lake
orchid lake
bold copper
sturdy tundra
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The bit about it being non-canon is from years and years ago

bold copper
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So whqt ypu are saying is they use what they want and make up the rest no matter if it contradicts the past.

sturdy tundra
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I mean considering they haven't done anything that actually contradicts this stuff, I really don't know what your point is.

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Yes, obviously they can and will change things if they want. That's a given.

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They've been utilizing this stuff more than ever changing it

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hell half of F3 and NV was just recycled Van Buren stuff

bold copper
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Heh, there are plenty of massive fallout lore fans online that will walk you through every contradiction made in the show. You can spend hours watching them as they lay out facts straight from the games.

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Their info is not based on casual play, wiki posts, or tourists remarks.

sturdy tundra
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Dawg I do not need to be patronized by your personal idea of "Fallout fans". I'm well-versed with the lore and most of the "contradictions" people point out are not at all contradictions and often are cases of bad media literacy.

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Stuff changes from time to time and sometimes mistakes slip through the cracks, yes. This is stuff I keep abreast of.

bold copper
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Hey im a casual i fully admit that. Im not pretending

orchid lake
bold copper
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I enjoyed season 1. Season 2 is a mess. I wanted to like it

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Im glad people are enjoying it. Its nice to have shows we like.

orchid lake
bold copper
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Im one who enjoyed acolyte. Not for the show itself which was bad. My daughter and i spent the time trying to fix it together after each episode.

This is what makes the fallput show good. It is bad, lore is inconsistent, and characters for the most are not really that good. But a few times on here we gave pur takes on how to make it better, fix the problems, and say which way the show should go even though it wont

dim torrent
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||Anyone have any ideas on how the cold fusion got in Hanks head? Ive been speculating haha|| Spoiler question, dont open unless youve seen the newest episode!

red forge
sturdy tundra
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Same reason ||Wilzig then did it||

dim torrent
dim torrent
# sturdy tundra Safe storage

Oh I knew ||It was for safe storage, was just curious on how it got there. As Captain Irrelevant said, it would have been part of the business deal, which fits. Im not sure why I didnt think of that, because it fits perfectly.|| I feel like when theres something like the Fallout series that allows me to speculate, I overthink about what the outcome could be, or how things could have got where they are in the first place. I tend to miss the easy explanations for stuff, for that reason.

red forge
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Sometimes the simplest solution isn't the most obvious VaultBoyWink

cunning rock
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One of my favorite characters is Ed-E, enclave; I recruited retired enclave to help in the battle for Hoover; destroying Ravens Nest some enclave escaped, likewise Addams AFB; scout outposts around Commonwealth; I don’t see they have ever been totally destroyed, just like the BoS, they lose battles but the war that never changes rolls on.

orchid lake
red forge
ruby flint
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The deathclaws look sick

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How’d they get on the strip tho?

cunning rock
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and why aren’t they in Freeside?

ruby flint
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Why did they leave quarry junction?

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Driven out?
Looks like it just happened tho

cunning rock
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I cleared out Quarry Junction 10 years ago

ruby flint
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I really feel like they only set the show in Vegas for nostalgia cause like

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It’s nothing like Vegas. And all the plot points would work even if it wasn’t in Vegas

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The house always wins!

wet knoll
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I still think theyre heading for the commonwealth now

cunning rock
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I saw a deathclaw nest on the east side of the river near Caesar’s camp, maybe they got into the vault under the camp and connected to 22

sturdy tundra
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I'm wondering if House is actually controlling them to keep intruders out.

ruby flint
minor lark
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Quarry junction

ruby flint
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The quarry so it makes sense

sturdy tundra
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Quarry Junction, yes
You asked how they got to the Strip

ruby flint
ruby flint
sturdy tundra
cunning rock
ruby flint
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I don’t

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I don’t get why house has a body double? Seems very out of character for him

sturdy tundra
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Seems very in-character for him. He's doing what he can to survive.

cunning rock
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where did you see that?

orchid lake
ruby flint
sturdy tundra
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Not really?

ruby flint
# sturdy tundra Not really?

He is. He wants you to know how powerful he is. I don’t see him being ok let alone willingly having someone else take his spotlight

orchid lake
ruby flint
sturdy tundra
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That's a very shallow reading of his character. If anything being egotistical would mean he has even more stake to keep himself alive, but principally he's working for both himself and Vegas itself.

orchid lake
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He's not dumb enough to not have a body double, hell he's literally based off Howard Hughes

ruby flint
sturdy tundra
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Dawg maybe finish the episode

ruby flint
sturdy tundra
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No he doesn't

ruby flint
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I’m going off ingame

orchid lake
sturdy tundra
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He's very acutely aware that he's in danger and needs to step up.

orchid lake
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Also he seems utterly terrified of the Enclave as of Ep5

ruby flint
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Fair

sturdy tundra
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He's contending with the end of the world.

ruby flint
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I’ll finish the episodes tbh I’m sure he gets better I just so far he seems very mischaracterized

sturdy tundra
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Ep 5 drives home House's actual characterization

ruby flint
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New Vegas is just a game I’ve played so many times

orchid lake
ruby flint
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So I just don’t like some of the choices so far but they make sense in a way just seem pointless at times

sturdy tundra
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The show's playing with seeming mischaracterization because it's from the perspective of these other people that don't know him 200 years later in the way the Courier did.

cunning rock
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I missed the body double, which episode?

sturdy tundra
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5, though it's been implied since 1

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since before S2 came out, it was stated that the new guy was House

ruby flint
sturdy tundra
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He keeps up this egotistical facade, but what he truly does is calculate and plan.

ruby flint
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Like he’s genuinely shocked when you reach him

ruby flint
plush quest
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Why did Hank program his workers to be so…. “merry, joyful, happy, bright, lively, showy, and/or splendid”

serene aurora
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who is the ||well spoken super mutant|| in episode 6?

plush quest
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Probably a new character

serene aurora
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but they are obviously not a ||normal super mutant||

plush quest
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I personally would love it to be Coop’s old war buddy Charlie Whiteknife

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But we already have too many characters from pre-war. Feels like more than characters born post war at this point

serene aurora
plush quest
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Might be an old resident of Jacobstown who was a follower of Marcus

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Seems to be residing in an old catholic Spanish mission building. I don’t remember any in the game so maybe NM territory?

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That’s towards the direction of Area 51 , where Maximus and Thaddeus were running from

serene aurora
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its hard to say but you might be correct

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maybe he will appear later in the show again, because i think the show is leading up to a season 3

plush quest
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Would be a cool if he was a Follower of the Apocalypse

serene aurora
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also, in season 1 in the enclave camp there was a super mutant on a stretcher

plush quest
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Also I’m totally wrong. Area 51 is in NV. I’m thinking of Roswell

serene aurora
plush quest
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Yeah it was only a matter of time till they introduced them

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Really cool way that they did imo. Lays out the groundwork that they’re sometimes reasonable rational beings instead of being blood thirsty shooting targets

serene aurora
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thats what confused me tho, you wouldnt think they would usually react this way maybe the character has deeper implications with the enclave and the rest of the show

plush quest
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He might be a remnant of The Master’s army. His entire motive for kidnapping vault dwellers in Fallout 1 was to create more intelligent super mutants

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He’d have lived through the reign and destruction of the Enclave oil rig in Fallout 2

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Super Mutants on the West Coast are seemingly immortal age-wise

ruby flint
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Coopers wife is mega evil

dark plaza
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Hopefully

plush quest
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Cooper’s wife isn’t totally evil. Evidence by the regret and remorse she feels leading up to the big Vault Tec meeting. The scene with Wilzig establishes that she’s nothing more than a pawn in some much larger corporate end of world scheme

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She knows the situation is gonna hit the fan and is doing as much as she can to protect the daughter she loves

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If she steps out of line, the higher powers that be will smite her and her family and replace her as a cog in the machine and it all would’ve been for nothing

last crystal
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If I had a time machine, I would tell the master there is 3 vaults nearby for the price of 1.

red forge
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Well thankfully time travel isn't a gimmick in Fallout.

tropic wren
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Probably won’t see this, but thank you to the team in charge of the show for the Super Mutant cameo. As a long time fan of the game I got goose bumps when I heard that voice. You def hit me in the memberberries. Thank you

coral juniper
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That's the only explanation lol otherwise it makes no sense even when you consider the Master's army had intelligent super mutants and human cultists in it.

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Then again the show is constantly saying NCR was nuked before New Vegas despite Todd saying that was a production mistake

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Like it's not "The Master was stupid" it's the writers actively do not know fallout lore and make bad decisions

pulsar parrot
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Hasn’t it been ~135 years since the Master and fallout one?
Who else besides the eldest mutants and ghouls and very dedicated historians would remember, let alone know of The Master?

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And also the “Fall of Shady Sands” in the first season might not have referred to the actual nuking but maybe an economic collapse or some other period of hardship

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in the second season, Max‘s dad makes a point to make note that there were no rads in the water, implying that maybe before then something may have happened to make it so that the water wasn’t as clean or safe as it had been previously

stray granite
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Hope Goris will come back.

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Maybe in Season 3.

coral juniper
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The issue is not people not remembering the Master in the setting, the issue is Lucy's vault is a stone's throw from where the Master's cathedral was and the vault was out in the open

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And again "fall of shady sands" meanwhile the NCR in New Vegas is so rich and powerful their people are the main customers of the casinos in Vegas, they're fielding an entire military in the Mojave, they're rebuilding infrastructure and setting up checkpoints and farms in the Mojave with NPCs saying it's more expensive in NCR proper. The portrayal is not a nation in economic peril.

sturdy tundra
frozen bramble
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That the timeline on that chalkboard was an approximation

coral juniper
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And yet not a peep about it in New Vegas and is just plain wrong

frozen bramble
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Well what Todd says goes

coral juniper
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Todd is running interference for a show made by a guy who doesn't know fallout lore or understand the games

frozen bramble
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It doesn't matter. Todd is the boss and if he says that it happens a few years after the events of the game then that's how it is

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I mean if obsidian had never sold Fallout to Bethesda who knows what we would have right now. But it is what it is.

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You have to remember that the lore has shifted a few times due to bethesda making changes. Criticizing the showrunner for not understanding the lore isn't really fair. It's hard to keep track of what's Canon and what isn't Canon in cases like this.

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I've got my own criticisms of the show but overall it's still pretty good. It's certainly a more faithful adaptation of the lore than what Amazon did with the wheel of Time series. (I will never forgive them for that by the way)

wet knoll
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Anything in the show is canon

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Per papa todd

coral juniper
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It's an issue the show constantly has of inserting new things but then suddenly dropping them out of nowhere and not actually explaining them

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Nothing matters the show is how you can describe it

last crystal
coral juniper
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You can just say you were joking without the hostility

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Like the gif is really unnecessary

coral juniper
frozen bramble
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They plan to keep the show going for many seasons so just because something's been brought in and dropped doesn't mean it won't be picked back up again later.

coral juniper
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I don't think they're going to bring back the NCR sex cult and the mutant vault experiment

orchid lake
last crystal
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I'm not trying to advertise or anything, but I do i have a 1,500+ playlist with tons and tons of classic music if anybody wants to use it during their travels of fallout

orchid lake
coral juniper
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Some people care about the narrative and flow of the content rather than "look they have a flag saying they're from a faction"

last crystal
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The master created super chuds to take over the world lmfao, bro watched 1 marvel movie and said marvel better than DC

orchid lake
last crystal
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Enclave keep coming back cause AMERICA ironically im also canadian so imma get annex soon, since we did deal with China<3

orchid lake
orchid lake
last crystal
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Glory to china and the deals we're making rn btw

orchid lake
last crystal
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Rather be with china since america is uhm.. controlled by ghouls and super mutants

orchid lake
coral juniper
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They introduced a feralism cure that didn't even have a name only for it to not matter and also to make no sense because the ghoul was buried alive at the start of the show, they introduced the NCR getting nuked but no timeline which segwayed into a NCR sex cult which then also moved onto a vault experiment which was then abandoned narratively because it was time for Goggins to shoot BoS square in the chest because the group that not only maintains power armor but makes their own didn't know about a vulnerability which contradicts the long known vulnerability in power armor being the visor which in the old games was the hardest part to hit to the point people made builds around it

last crystal
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Thats it. Imma turn into Moldaver and tell you who really runs merica

coral juniper
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It's a constant strain of doesn't matter narratives instead of a solid flowing story

last crystal
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United States of israel 🇮🇱

orchid lake
last crystal
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I deflect it and cast master suicide speech forces you to cry

orchid lake
orchid lake
orchid lake
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Another settlement needs your help, go see what they need, I'll mark it on your map

coral juniper
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It wouldn't be a big deal if it was side content in a game but it is the main story of the show

orchid lake
coral juniper
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It really doesn't

orchid lake
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The only thing that doesn't is the nuking of Shady Sands

pulsar parrot
coral juniper
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As a story that was presented as a singular line

pulsar parrot
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But it’s not a singular line. It’s multiple different lines converging into a rope that forms the story.

coral juniper
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Also like cmon Goggins just shooting BoS in the chest is so boring compared to the visor

pulsar parrot
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Not just the chest, but a specific flaw in the welding of the armor that he knows about from his experience with the T 45

coral juniper
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Ok it does it in a bad way because it introduces stuff that it then abandons or doesn't make sense in the setting or the show itself

orchid lake
coral juniper
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Like Goggins needing the cure but also was buried alive

pulsar parrot
coral juniper
woven scaffold
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He had bags of the cure hooked up to his grave when he was buried alive, by the by.

pulsar parrot
orchid lake
coral juniper
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People are allowed to criticize things, it isn't being nitpicky

orchid lake
orchid lake
coral juniper
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That's again hostility, even if you don't mean it labeling someone's criticisms as nitpicky is by nature hostility

pulsar parrot
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What frame of mind did you have at minute one when watching the show?
Were you more thinking along the lines of “Ooh a Fallout show, I wonder what they’re going to do with the narrative and the continuity?” or were you thinking “Great, can’t wait to see how they mess this up.”

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Were you more apprehensive or more curious?

coral juniper
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First one

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I was actually hopeful for it but the flow, dialogue, writing put me off

pulsar parrot
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I was a little apprehensive at first, but as I watched more and more, things became more interesting and I honestly only have a problem with the ||prewar deathclaw||

spring basin
pulsar parrot
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And I’m still hoping to see a suit of T-51 armor, but other than those two things I’m not really seeing what you seem to be in regards to the writing

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Though there are definitely certain contrivances and things that don’t make much sense from the perspective of someone who has extensively played the games/delved into the lore of the games
The Anti-Feralization medicine still has me scratching my head
I’m still waiting for an explanation about the ||Alaskan Deathclaw||
But other than that and a few minor foibles I feel that things are converging quite nicely

coral juniper
pulsar parrot
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Ohh, I’ve only been playing Fallout 2 for about 20 hours now, I always thought Deathclaws were a group project of sorts between postwar FEV experimentation on fauna and the radiation of the wasteland

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Good to know

frozen bramble
frozen bramble
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It's also the reason why Cooper was spared in Anchorage. Because they were still under control at the time.

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It killed the commies. Stared at him and then left

pulsar parrot
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Then ig all I’m waiting for is a appearance of the T-51

spring basin
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Making me wanna do a FO3 playthrough after I finish my NV run.

vivid meadow
orchid lake
pulsar parrot
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Contrivance for the purpose of plot 🤷‍♂️

exotic stone
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What was that thing that healed the Ghoul that the Enclave beast used?

frosty wolf
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It was a rock of uranium

crisp grail
livid bronze
spring basin
frozen bramble
tribal warren
crisp grail
steep raven
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I think I get his point

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dont think institute presence anywhere there makes any sense tho tbh

plush quest
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People keep making theories about synths or the institute but I don’t think we’ll see any of that this season. If there was, Bethesda would’ve put out a ton more Fallout 4 promotional material

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If we ever head to the Commonwealth in the TV then we’ll probably get more Institute and synth lore, introducing them at this point would be too much

grizzled gate
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They gotta go to the Commonwealth or they'll never get to use Liberty Prime.

lofty prairie
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The institute has zero relevancy outside of fallout 4

lofty prairie
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What did y’all think about episode 6?

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I loved the hints that the enclave is returning tbh tho im not liking how they just sidelined the civil war

orchid lake
lofty prairie
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It’s definitely gonna need another season for this season plot

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The supermutant being rare is a interesting but not surprising bit of information

frozen bramble
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Literally working for Dr Zimmer of The institute

spring basin
lofty prairie
coral juniper
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Fwiw we don't know the range of the Institute's teleporter and them making a rocket to send a satellite into space is also not far-fetched so I can kiiiinda see an institute outpost in the west to find tech but it's really reaching

lofty prairie
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Institute have no interest in anything but commonwealth tho

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They legit couldn’t care less if everyone died in the surface

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They care little for surface politics and what other states are doing, but if it intertwines with institute business then they act

spring basin
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That was years ago. Things could've changed for them drastically.

lofty prairie
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I don’t get these theories that institute is with enclave cuz pre war thet were schoolies who bummed it out underground not a secret organisation

frozen bramble
lofty prairie
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The institute is legit a faction made up of scientists who can’t use a butter knife properly let alone wage a war

coral juniper
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Oh no the Enclave would never lol the Enclave have their genocidal xenophobia engraved in their ideology

lofty prairie
lofty prairie
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Not even citizens of commonwealth knew were institute were not even bos.

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They just wanna be left alone

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So that’s why I don’t think they care enough to involve themselves in anything

livid bronze
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Wait but if it was inspired then it'd probably prove something

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I also doubt that the institute expanded their operations outside the commonwealth

lofty prairie
crisp grail
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yeah, someone pointed out, the production team could of just grabbed the art from one of the many artbooks too without realization that it was institute

But its a fun theory to tease until we see the final episodes

livid bronze
lofty prairie
crisp grail
frozen bramble
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Not even with just obscure games. It does that all the time.

tribal warren
red forge
lofty prairie
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Is anyone else loving the fact that the world worst trio are going to be in next episode. I mean we have a BoS soldier a bum and a hardened cowboy all working together on one goal lol

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Ik cooper hates Maximus probs but like the anonymous super mutants said you need friends

torpid ermine
lofty prairie
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I actually cannot wait to see coop and Maximus team up they are so far from being friends lol

stray granite
torpid ermine
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When are we going to see VATS in the show

stray granite
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Lucy is already using VATS.

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Personels without Pip-Boy can't use VATS.

red forge
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I have a feeling she demonstrated some form of VATS when she killed all the ghoulified Kings.

coral juniper
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Enclave were inspired by the fascist regime of germany in the 1930s, that was there entire point in Fallout 2 and this is continued to be shown every time they come back.

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Even the Enclave continued the human experiments when they came back in Fallout 2

torpid ermine
red forge
lofty prairie
slim night
coral juniper
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They're even called remnants in NV

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There's no reformation going on in the Enclave

torpid ermine
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Also, what's the potential of the mysterious stranger showing up? Lol

coral juniper
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Arcade is also not a member of the Enclave, he was born into it and became a follower due to his hatred of the Enclave's authoritarian ideology

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The entire point of Arcade is a REJECTION of his heritage that he had no control over as opposed to being a member that believes in the Enclave

slim night
coral juniper
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Yea and not the ideology of the faction, which by structure is authoritarian xenophobia to the point of genocidal

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That's not reformation

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It's also why again Arcade joined the followers out of disgust for that fascist ideology, the opposite of a fascist is an anarchist which the followers are

slim night
coral juniper
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Fascism is complete and total authoritarianism made up of rich and political elite where service to the state is mandatory and regularly purges anyone they deem interior so yes, anarchists would hate the Enclave. The NCR is the one group that is actually making life better and at times will tell you to not fully do what they want like during Helios One where he says you should divert power to freeside.

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Again he is not a member of the enclave by being born in it, he actively shows disdain for the Enclave

stray granite
slim night
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Just because Anarchists hate the Enclave - does not mean Gannon is an Anarchist?

That’s like calling the NCR anarchists. Which is just - no. He’s anti-authoritarian. He’s not anti-government which means he’s not anarchist. I don’t understand why you’re arguing that point.

He’s a member of the Enclave in a sense that he was raised by the Enclave’s members. Sure - he rejects pure Enclave ideology which is fine. The Enclave isn’t just a faction it’s a government. That’s like saying I’m not an American because I don’t agree with all of what the American government does. That’s not true. He’s apart of the enclave, he just rejects pure enclave ideology, the same as the rest of the remnants.

stray granite
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I'm tired of these traditional bethesda plot writings:Yeah,a member from Enclave ,must be bad guy.A member from BoS,maybe a good guy.If they want to make this show more interesting,that they need to show the contradictions and complexities of the people within each faction.
Now they actually did a great job,Maximus in BoS didn't lose his moral and conscience,and many ncr soldiers aren't that nasty like in NV.So,why can't a Enclave member also hold his moral and conscience?Besides,Enclave is a private circle,these enclace soldiers born to live in this faction,they can't choose what they born into,but can choose what they try to do.

coral juniper
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The followers of the apocalypse are an anarchist collective that is about mutual aid and free knowledge

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Joining the followers is joining an anarchist collective lol

coral juniper
stray granite
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Yeah,my point still stand,it's flat writing.

slim night
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There are always good parts to any system. People just hide it better and better in worse and worse systems. When systems reward cruelty, humanity is still there but often well-hidden.

stray granite
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That's what i trying to say.

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Thanks buddy.

coral juniper
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They're literally based off fascist Germany so like no, I can't agree with that. Arcade being a good person is because he rejected the entirety of his heritage and works towards being a good person by helping others, that's not a win for the Enclave having good people that's someone who was born into a horrible group breaking free and bettering himself

stray granite
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You already said that,“who was born ibto a horrivle group breaking free and bettering himself”

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That's what our point is.

slim night
coral juniper
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Yes but you can not be an active member, believe in the ideals of said group, and then say you're a good person when the entire structure is based off genocide and xenophobia because you think you're genetically pure. The Enclave is incapable, on an ideological level, of being good

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And at this point they've lost so much manpower they really shouldn't be alive

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The entire point of Arcade's writing is a rejection of the Enclave's ideology

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He doesn't even identify himself as a member of the enclave

slim night
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Who said anything about believing in the ideals? I feel like you’re arguing past me at this point and not actually taking anything I’ve said seriously.

All I am saying is there is a very real possibility that the Enclave can reform. That is undeniable. We already saw that there is active dissent among Enclave scientists with the doctor in the TV show actively escaping. He can’t be the only one. That’s ridiculous. We’re seeing a shift of ideology across major factions right now. The BoS is becoming more and more authoritarian under Arthur Maxson’s rule, to the point that the West Coast is scared of the East Coast. It wouldn’t be out of the question to suggest a possible shift in the Enclave’s ideology either. It goes both ways. Good systems can turn bad and bad systems can turn good. It simply is a matter of time, education, and the right amount of real political pressure within systems.

coral juniper
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Nah they can't and shown no desire to reform.

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They're inherently evil as a faction

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And again the doctor leaving is another sign of a rejection of the Enclave's ideology which the show reinforces as being evil with the depiction of the lab being on the same level of labs found in 1940s Germany

slim night
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You’re arguing in circles my guy.

coral juniper
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I'm making a point that is reinforced every time the Enclave is shown in the games, I'm sorry you don't like Fallout's writing

slim night
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I’m not arguing the Enclave is good — I’m arguing it’s made of people, and people changing is how systems change. Fallout shows factional drift everywhere. Pretending one faction is uniquely immune to that is less realistic, not more.

coral juniper
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Ok yet we never actually see this change and at this point the Enclave would be so devastated that the change would be to abandon the Enclave

stray granite
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We' re not arguing about the faction itself,it's the people themself.You don't need Enclave itself be devastated to abandon Enclave,you just need to follow your own moral to try to leave it.

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Or,try to do good things to change Enclave.Each faction will change

coral juniper
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I'm sorry I'm not accepting what if the fascist could be good

stray granite
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🤣

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Tired of arguing.

coral juniper
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Honestly it's more annoying that the enclave who have been blown to hell and back are even still around

slim night
stray granite
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You believe they born to be facist,but not try to believe they actually aren't?

coral juniper
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Ok but you are not accepting that such a thing hasnt happened

stray granite
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Well,i believe high school education already taught us about critical thinking.

slim night
coral juniper
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It didn't happen in 3, didn't happen in NV

slim night
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Omg it didn’t happen in a previous game?! That just proves it can never happen.

coral juniper
slim night
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Hey guys - Fallout 4 didn’t show the NCR’s collapse. Therefore the NCR is still around.

coral juniper
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Again the issue is the ideology of the Enclave can not be reformed

slim night
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Okay but it can.

coral juniper
slim night
coral juniper
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Todd said they're still around lol

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Only Shady Sands got nuked, so take that up with Todd

slim night
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The rest of the NCR that we see in the show are what a woman and a dude? And they’re waiting on reinforcements that never came.

coral juniper
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Again, take it up with Todd

slim night
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No, I’m taking it up with you because your logic is unsound. And it’s annoying trying to tell you that factions can change.

coral juniper
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Again, word from Todd's mouth.

slim night
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Your logic is unsound.

stray granite
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I fell exhausted about this arguing.Good luck argue with him,you can't change his logic Helix😶‍🌫️

coral juniper
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If you missed the point of many even in Lyon's chapter disagreed including his daughter yea

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Literally caused a schism that Maxson fixed by returning to tradition

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My logic is fine lol

slim night
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No - it’s not lol. If a schism can happen in the BoS, it can happen in the Enclave.

coral juniper
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Ok but that's a big IF, the difference here is one happened the other didn't

slim night
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Dude I’m literally saying it’s a possibility.

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God this is annoying

stray granite
coral juniper
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That's my point there's never been anything shown that the enclave as a group has any desire to reform as opposed to the BoS where the commentary on changing is from fallout 1

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Fallout Tactics was even around a chapter sent into exile for wanting to change

stray granite
slim night
coral juniper
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There's no possibility because there is never shown any

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Ah the classic turn to personal attacks when you can't actually make a point

slim night
coral juniper
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Ah Autumn, hey quick question when the line wanderer is kidnapped by Autumn what does Autumn put them in

slim night
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It would not be out of the question that a secluded Enclave branch would be humanitarian.

coral juniper
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What kind of chamber that he activates when you give him what he wants

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We're really going to bring up the man who uses a GAS chamber???

slim night
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What are you talking about my guy…

coral juniper
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Autumn kills the lone wanderer with a gas chamber if you give him the correct codes to purity

slim night
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I was saying that the enclave already has factionalism, disagreements, and a weak core ideology. If they had a powerful core ideology, we wouldn’t have seen Whitesprings Bunker, or Eden and Autumn fight, or scientists escaping, or remnants rejecting the leadership.

coral juniper
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Autumn also shows literally no sign of reforming, his squads are in the wasteland killing people or running experiments

slim night
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What are you talking about I wasn’t saying Autumn is a reformist 💀

woven scaffold
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I don’t think humanitarian and the Enclave can really work together, even the loosest skeleton of what they want requires awful things to establish.

I could see Enclave members leaving and establishing a new organisation entirely and using their knowledge, sure. But I doubt a whole section of it would suddenly go against every core aspect of their group.

Lyon’s’ group broke away from Brotherhood tradition, but still kept up many of the Brotherhood’s core ethos. They weren’t that different at the end of the day.

Regardless of the whole argument though. Looks like S3 of the TV show is going to be helping the Mutant Liberation Army beat up the Enclave yet again.

stray granite
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Definitely not whole section,the whole point we state is there are still good people in it .Mayber not that much ,but they actually exist.

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Goris and Marcus in mutant liberation army would be insane.

coral juniper
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They just need to finally kill off the Enclave honestly. They only had 1K people in fallout 2, which mostly died when the oil rig blew up, Raven Rock was mostly the Navarro Garrison which also died and the remaining members died when the mobile crawler was destroyed

stray granite
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Goris probally still wandering on wasteland.

coral juniper
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Them still being around is silly

slim night
# woven scaffold I don’t think humanitarian and the Enclave can really work together, even the lo...

Here’s where I can actually have a good debate and not just argue in circles. I absolutely understand your point, and I believe for a vast majority of Enclave sects, that’s true. What I’m saying is, if there is a “humanitarian” Enclave out there, it would look like something akin to the Red Cross. Where they deliver anti-radiation medication to settlements, set up vaccination posts against FEV to help prevent the spread of super mutants, inject people with a strain of FEV that improves their thinking skills and immune systems, etc.

There is so much opportunity with that story-wise that I would love to see.

coral juniper
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Honestly remnants would most likely end up like the NV remnants of abandoning all signs of being enclave and either living in isolation or joining small communities

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Not "making a whole group and turning into the good guys"

stray granite
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Is it possible a person already became super mutant back being a human?It will be crazy if the transformation process reversible.

coral juniper
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Transformation is not possible to be reversed

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It's a permanent one because FEV is used

woven scaffold
slim night
coral juniper
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Oh I must've misremembered my bad

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It's been awhile since I played 4

woven scaffold
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Virgil is weird and I wish that didn’t happen. But it is what it is.

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Would have preferred if he somehow made a more ‘perfected’ super mutant, than completely reverse it.

coral juniper
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Yea kinda hate the idea of the reversal

stray granite
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What's even crazier is in FO76 player can transfer from ghouls back to human.

coral juniper
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It's so...boring

stray granite
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Althoug i think this is just a mechanism for players.Not actually real.

coral juniper
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What's wild is they brought back the thing people hated about vampirism in Morrowind lol

red forge
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So those who control it, come up with a "cure".

slim night
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The whole point of FEV is to become the next evolutionary pattern of human. Bigger muscles, higher intelligence, better reaction time, etc.

I would like to think that there can be a strain of FEV that can be perfected. Where you get taller, stronger, more intelligence, better reaction times, etc.

Of course - big risks being cancer and such.

coral juniper
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You can't do much of anything story related in 76 as a ghoul which is what was awful about vampirism in Morrowind, you were locked out of so much of the game

red forge
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But yes, the reversal is more likely for gameplay purposes, which is why any further conversions beyond that, comes at a cost.

stray granite
woven scaffold
coral juniper
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You can't even be a glowing one in 76 like Jason Bright

red forge
coral juniper
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You can kinda mimic is but not fully just be glowing

stray granite
red forge
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Well... this is the thing about integrating other media into a franchise.

coral juniper
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In 4 there's a 210 year old ghoul

red forge
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Not everything can be 1:1 faithful on absolutely every aspect between each other.

slim night
# red forge Well... this is the thing about integrating other media into a franchise.

I’m going to rush to the defense of Bethesda and Amazon here. Canonically since Fallout 3, sentient ghouls do eventually turn feral. Most notably reported in Nuka World’s DLC though. Oswald’s friends were slowly turning feral one by one until he was the only one left. His wife heard of a treatment in the west coast to stop them from turning feral, and wondered if there were any on the East Coast, which is why she went out searching but was turning feral too quick so she ended herself.

coral juniper
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In classic fallout there's the necropolis which is a ghoul settlement in a irradiated nuclear power plant and in 2 the irradiated ruins around San Diego became a ghoul populated area called Dayglow that would eventually be an NCR state

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so it being radiation based is kinda weird lol

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Honestly I dislike the feral stuff because it misunderstands that the ferals in 1 were a gang of ghouls in the Boneyard. I feel just making an entire race of mutants into an enemy is real bad.

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It's like if the Bosmer in TES were just all enemies

slim night
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I think it’s a dosing thing like water. Where too much at one time is dangerous but little over time is good. Like - a little radiation over time heals you as a ghoul. But if you get a huge dose at one time you can turn feral. And of course, over time you can turn feral as well. So it’s both time and dose based.

frozen bramble
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It's also genetics based. As most people in the Fallout universe will just die out right from radiation exposure and only certain ones will have the proper genes will become ghouls instead. This is also the reason why certain people are completely immune to radiation altogether and don't become ghouls or develop any cancers. Those people are the ones who later become the children of Atom.

woven scaffold
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Radiation is magic confirmed. It’s only time before the Rad-Wizards rise up against us.

slim night
slim night
# frozen bramble It's also genetics based. As most people in the Fallout universe will just die o...

I have a sneaking suspicion that these rad-immune genes are caused by a strain of FEV though. There’s a famous military conspiracy that happened during the Cold War in The United States, where they dropped a bio-engineered virus onto California to see the effects it would have if an adversary attacked with bio-weapons. I wouldn’t be surprised if the military in Fallout - via pressure from pre-war Enclave did the same thing with FEV.

tribal warren
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I thought that ghouls existed prewar at least I saw some video where that connection was made/implied via in game lore

woven scaffold
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Ghouls definitely exist pre-war, yes.

tribal warren
nimble pike
frozen bramble
# slim night I have a *sneaking* suspicion that these rad-immune genes are caused by a strain...

Doubtful. At least with current Canon as established by fallout 4 far harbor DLC. Their religious zealotry in worship of a shapeless God as ambiguous as the power of the Atom fit well within the scope of the fallout series and perhaps originally had origins along the lines you mentioned however far harbor canonized a direct supernatural element being responsible for this gene being present among his followers.

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I hope the Children of Atom show up at some point in the TV series to further expand on their lore. They're a very quirky group.

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(Atom is basically an allegory for Sithis and the Mother of the Fog is basically the night mother.)

slim night
frozen bramble
# slim night I think the Mother of The Fog is simply an illusion brought upon by ARS. That’s ...

Yeah it's definitely just you there because you don't need to get the ARS before joining the cult. You can do its entire starting questline in advance. Since you see her regardless that rules out the ARS as the cause.

Personally I like the supernatural element and I hope they show it on the TV series too. Either with direct interaction with the Children of Atom or with something related to the Dunwich horror..

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Fallout has aliens and ghosts and monsters.. what's not to love?

slim night
frozen bramble
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My bad. Thought you were talking about that augmented reality thing that you get from the synth

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Which you need to access the second half of the children's base

slim night
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Nope! Just the Radiation. ARS carries the symptom of hallucinations.

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That’s why I have that theory.

frozen bramble
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Well as the children themselves are immune to radiation and are still able to see her on occasion.. given that she led them there to the base.. I'd still lean towards the supernatural element being real

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Besides it's more fun that way

slim night
burnt star
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or being seen as burn victims, the severe the burns the better?

slim night
burnt star
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exactly my bad

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the only logical thing i could guess is that exposure and distance from nuke to ghoul plays a role. the closest and most affected by radiation gain immunity the others stick to vials

slim night
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Honestly ghouls would probably be classified as “Homo Sapiens Irradiatus”.

burnt star
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as fo series and fo4 ghouls look "better" than fo3 and fo1,fo2

burnt star
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also who won clark county

slim night
frozen bramble
slim night
frozen bramble
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It would be super cool if say in season 3 or 4 we would have the zetans showing up

burnt star
frozen bramble
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Besides it's not like that would have to be the only way to bring them into the show.

Could just as easily find some in suspended animation at a secret enclave base. You know typical sci-fi setting, Hi-Tech laboratory deep underground with aliens floating in glass tubes filled with some unidentified liquid.

burnt star
frozen bramble
slim night
frozen bramble
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Well that at least supports my idea that they could do it going forward if the writers want to.

Instead of just having a corpse in a freezer they could have live specimens in cryo pods or something similar.

livid bronze
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Waiting for next episode

gleaming pendant
# 
_✱ ✱ ✱________ ENCLAVE HIGH-COM 
✱  E  ✱_______
_✱ ✱ ✱________
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______________ GOD BLESS THE ENCLAVE 



Intranet-Message
From: [REDACTED]
To: All Terminals


Message Input:

        Guess who‘s back. Back again

            Enclave‘s back```
wheat glacier
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Okay, but "how's back" as the spelling...? 😆 That might actually fit the 'clave I guess.

gleaming pendant
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Ahhhhhh

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I am stupid,

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😬

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The how is never the question with the enclave. It’s only the when

spring basin
vivid meadow
# livid bronze https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-20376735

Watch it be 42 minutes. 10 minutes of lucy where she doesn’t move an inch from hanks facility, 15 minutes of the ghoul and maximus getting exposition dumped by ncr. 5 minutes of norm where he doesn’t move an inch from vault tech hq. 5 minutes of vault 33/32 where nothing happens. 7 minutes of prewar coop.

steep raven
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Gotta fit like the 5 minutes of the recap and credits also taking up some of the time

plush quest
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Each scene has at minimum of 30 seconds of characters looking stoically at something off camera

lofty prairie
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GUYS can you read my message???

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Please respond if so then my accounts stopped bugging

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And I can post here

steep raven
burnt star
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so the gov knew something about them before we found them out in zeta and other titles

lofty prairie
livid bronze
wispy sage
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Is it true that the show is in a different timeline laff

red forge
frozen bramble
woven scaffold
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People just say that when they don’t like something. ‘Fallout 76 isn’t canon’ ‘the TV show aren’t canon’.

Both are fully canon.

frozen bramble
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Yup

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Most of the cosmetics in 76 aren't canon though. But some are.

woven scaffold
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Indeed.

frozen bramble
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It'd be awesome if a random cosmetic item from 76 showed up in the show effectively canonizing it

woven scaffold
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The 76 Pip-Boy is the only thing I can think of that’s 76 exclusive in the show.

frozen bramble
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Red rocket power armor?

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Nuclear winter beanie

stray granite
frozen bramble
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And if any of the items that aren't strictly canon in 76 suddenly show up somewhere in the TV show that will automatically canonize him and that's what I'm hoping to see as a nice little Easter egg in a random episode someday

red forge
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Atom store content is just flavour for gameplay.

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If it were made canon, not only would it be a retcon, it'd also be a paradox.

frozen bramble
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Not really. Some of it would just be flavor for the show too. Imagine the characters are walking through free side and they visit the old pawn shop that was in the game, and in one of the displays is a Captain Cosmo power armor helmet with an exorbitant price tag on it. Coop could even make a passing comment about listening to the radio shows with his daughter.

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Canonizing the existence of that power armor type and the captain and his rogues gallery of villains without compromising the timeline. Because it's just background prewar world building that has no impact on the story in any game.

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Just fleshes things out more.

stray granite
toxic urchin
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Guys, one question Robert House is alive?

slim night
stray granite
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But he is definitely not dead .

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I'm suprised House,the most wealthiest man in us,the real boss of RobCo,isn't part of the Enclave,like,how??🧐

versed path
runic relic
stray granite
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Yeah,but Enclave don't seem like to end the world because they most likely didn't dropped the bomb.Enclave just had this inevitable prepared.

runic relic
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also if he was, he would be a puppet, house doesnt like being a puppet

stray granite
runic relic
stray granite
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RobCo worked for US Army.

runic relic
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i mean the latest episode

stray granite
runic relic
#

well we can theorize sure, we will see who it will be

stray granite
#

Because there are no reason for American ending this country for themselfs.They knew the nuke war inevitable,hence Enclave prepared for this ending so they form Enclave itself.

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That's my theory.

runic relic
#

well they wanted to drop it first, but did they actually? thats the question

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i hope that it never gets revealed lol, some things are better shrouded in mistery

stray granite
#

Yeah,Vault-Tec had this plan,but they never dropped it.They're suprised someobe drop it first.

runic relic
stray granite
#

I know.That's why they had this plan.A plan.

runic relic
#

yea

stray granite
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But didn't actually execute it.

runic relic
#

also i dont want the enclave to drop it, cause it would make them the OBVIOUS bad guys, i want them to be somewhat mysterious and keep their identity in the TV show as in the games

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like you know abt them, but not too much

runic relic
#

they where just yapping abt it

stray granite
#

They might had atleast one nuke.Since they had good relation with shadow government and us military.US military will provide them with a nukehead,for test maybe.

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But i think they could't have more than 2 nukes.That's ...Too much,even for US military.Because a corporate had two nukes?Wow,that's insane.😶‍🌫️

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Even big corpo in Cyberpunk didn't have several nukes i remember,lol.

wraith goblet
#

R they going to be making more seasons? Or have they already done a 3rd season and when could it end? I was told they’re already done filming season 3…

orchid lake
strong sinew
#

S2:E5
14:06
||Is that not Quintus staring Coop down in the Lucky 38? (Obviously it isn't, unless there's something I'm missing, but it looks like the actor at least, to me.)||

wispy sage
wispy sage
lucid mauve
#

What is the brain chip called

hybrid tulip
#

Don't know, but it reminds me of the slave collars and Mesmetron from fo3

stiff blade
#

Lazy IK. But eh if it works...

stiff blade
#

Conflict of interest (house's) etc

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||Hmm. Will Coop become a Glowing one do you think?||

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Self healing. Even longer lifespan

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Though. Radation in lore does make some ghouls go feral faster

oak mist
oak mist
oak mist
lofty prairie
#

There were better competing companies and vaulttec somehow won.

oak mist
#

What lore video? Because there were no better alternatives than vault tech?

lofty prairie
#

I doubt vault tec were the only ones that were contracted to secure mankind’s future after Armageddon in the beginning

oak mist
#

What lore video because we are never told of another company other than the one in FO4 with those blue pods

lofty prairie
plush quest
#

Release documents from an unreleased Fallout game called Van Buren mentions that the Vault-Tec’s original purpose was to gather data about isolated communities so that the Enclave could use it to prepare for an exoplanet colonization

lofty prairie
#

My point is vaultec owes what they have to the enclave

plush quest
#

In my mind almost every pre-war corporation was in bed with the enclave

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Whether they knew it or not

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We know WesTek for sure. General Atomics built a lot of their robots. I’m honestly really surprised the Robco CEO was in the dark about them

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despite the Enclave using a ton of advanced Robco technology

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Give me a game featuring the WesTek CEO. I think they could be one of the best villains in the franchise if done right

lofty prairie
#

Im pretty sure from the little I know project safehouse was a contingency that gave these companies overwritten authority over the government to do whatever needed to ensure mankind is safe from the bombs.

oak mist
#

So a company that's only mentioned once in 76 and was mentioned to be failing, and then the shelters in FO3 and 4 that were designed to fail. I guess you could call that competition, but nothing serious or on the scale of the vaults. Besides, the vaults were meant for the long-term survivability of humanity, not a few days like the Pulkski shelters.

As for project safehouse, Vault-tech got the bid because they did it the "best" and would have been far more successful than Pulkski shelters would have been. Most Vaults could store hundreds of people for hundreds of centuries at a time instead of one person for a few days.

oak mist
lofty prairie
stiff blade
plush quest
#

WesTek had the means and resources to perfect the kind of master race of mutants that The Master could only dream of and more

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They're the source of all FEV mutations in the series, AND the company behind power armor. Do you know how many cool monsters and PA models we could get in a WesTek expansion?

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They could probably build a better power armored Super Mutant than Frank Horrigan

frozen bramble
lofty prairie
plush quest
#

that explains the comically large cog shaped doors

frozen bramble
#

Yep

red forge
slim night
# plush quest despite the Enclave using a ton of advanced Robco technology

The Enclave was in bed with the government, and by extension the military. Of course you can trickle in some elites there too. So it’s not at all to be expected that the Enclave were in bed with all of the corporations. That’s simply not true and would be impossible to not have a whistleblower. They instead, target very specific people within the government and corporations they deep necessary, like Vault-Tec.

The robotics issue you brought up isn’t really an issue. The military contracted both General Atomics and RobCo Industries. It wouldn’t be impossible for the Enclave, by directive of the Pentagon, to divert robotic resources to their bases.

red forge
autumn jay
#

Episode 6 was a bit slow. But it had a lot of different story lines merging together

serene aurora
tribal warren
#

I kinda like how much they've got on the go, because to me that means they aren't going to run out of ideas very quickly for the series, which is good. At least it doesn't feel like filler or "the easy route" with everything & hope it doesn't devolve in future seasons.

frozen bramble
#

It's called world building. That's what they're doing right now.

red forge
tribal warren
#

imagine a miniseries where we get to see the day-to-day of bud as a roomba in the vault

orchid lake
orchid lake
tribal warren
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i kinda wish we got a bit more of roomba bud. The actor really nails the role, in person, or just via voice acting.

orchid lake
tribal warren
#

or, geneva

orchid lake
tribal warren
#

Gotta wait for the TV Series to finish, for real life to catch up haha

crisp grail
lofty prairie
honest blaze
#

Quick question but has Mr.House showed up in the show yet? I'm not talking about flashbacks I mean has he shown up to the ghoul yet.

red forge
#

But it's a key moment in the 2nd trailer that showed that it looks like that whatever narrative they're going with, House won.

honest blaze
# red forge Post bomb-drop? Not yet.

dang it I'm doing a "canon" playthrough so I want to know if House is active or not to decide if I should make Primm Slimm the sheriff or the NCRF guy

red forge
#

We don't yet know which ending they're taking.

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Whichever it is, it involves House.

lofty prairie
#

Im excited for episode 7

blazing jackal
lofty prairie
#

I just assumed it dropped 7pm like it usually does for me

honest blaze
#

What days do the episodes drop?

lofty prairie
#

Wednesday

red forge
red forge
honest blaze
#

Wtf

So the enclave guy from season 1 is also pre-war?

Pre-war Deathclaws?

Is this all apart of the great "game" from Point Lookout?

blazing jackal
lofty prairie
red forge
blazing jackal
#

I think they’re releasing 6 hours early or something like that

grizzled gate
#

I wonder if all the Legion stuff this season is actually setting up story for Fallout 5.

red forge
#

So it's approaching 6:30pm Monday in pacific now, which means 23.5 hours from now, will be episode 7 going live.

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Yep, 6 hours early for the last 2 episodes.

wheat glacier
#

That's an interesting move to bring these up a day. I wonder why though? Just to drum up more fun and keep things dynamic? Does anyone have a money or marketing perspective on why the change makes sense?

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My best guess is that they just want to test out a new time.

red forge
#

Prime time in the US (pun not necessarily intended).
It's in the evening, as opposed to midnight.

crisp grail
#

yeah, and my guess some big reveals, so they want the internet chatter, reddit, facebook, twitter etc to be in U.S. Prime time

wheat glacier
#

Ah, fair points. I think I haven't been watching at exact release times so I never even noticed the midnight releases.

lofty prairie
wheat glacier
lofty prairie
wheat glacier
#

I'm still thinking on getting a Steam Deck for Fallout 76

lofty prairie
wheat glacier
#

But what if... I'm platformless?

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I can try it on my Nintendo Switch 🤣

lofty prairie
lofty prairie
wheat glacier
#

Lol

lofty prairie
#

Please Hassan anything but Nintendo

wheat glacier
#

I used to have all sorts of platforms and then a gaming-capable laptop (I worked in AR/VR so needed a beefy laptop). Right now though I'm in between devices and such

#

Portabilty on the Steam Deck seems cool

red forge
frozen bramble
#

Wednesday morning before sunrise

indigo trellis
#

The Gators have to get up early to watch it then

livid bronze
#

Still waiting

plain portal
#

Yippee they moved up release time for episode 7 and 8

weak kayak
cerulean warren
visual nova
#

well 4am to be precise

cerulean warren
visual nova
#

I do aswell!

cerulean warren
#

It would be even funnier if the same state 😁

visual nova
#

you mean country? what

cerulean warren
#

Yes country

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Slovakia

visual nova
#

oh

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Im from Lithuania

spring basin
limpid edge
#

Just saw Walter Goggins doing a Walmart commercial doing his cowboy thing.

weak kayak
tribal warren
#

sassy bot is sassy.

stray granite
#

Enclave is Enclave,Enclave has members of other big corporates high rank personels doesn't mean than Enclave control these companies are puppet company.

#

Or you may trying to say Enclave use Vault-Tec as a guise of its Vault project.

woven scaffold
#

The Enclave definitely controlled Vault-Tec.

frozen bramble
#

It's more likely that they had members infiltrate vault-tech

crisp grail
green wren
#

When will episode 7 of the series be released?

orchid lake
green wren
lofty prairie
ancient bear
#

Guys, i had a question. Is it real that the episode is comming 6hour before ?

red forge
#

Yep.

ancient bear
#

Oh nice

red forge
#

1 hour and 55 minutes to go.

ancient bear
#

So around 21h et

dusky flicker
#

did they really move up the release??

crisp grail
red forge
thick patio
#

Just a friendly reminder to please be sure to use the spoiler tag for those who haven't had a chance to get caught up. VaultBoySunglasses

crisp grail
#

especially tato, who never manages to watch the episode in time to moderate the channel kekdance

spring basin
steep raven
woven scaffold
#

I hope there won’t be a fallout between us. Fallout new vegas.

tidal moat
#

I’ve heard we’re supposed to be getting an episode early today? When is it

crisp grail
dusky flicker
#

what about now

lofty prairie
dusky flicker
#

hello jissc

red forge
lofty prairie
lofty prairie
dusky flicker
#

been busy with school and work starting up

#

and my work is at school so

crisp grail
#

5 minutes

dusky flicker
crisp grail
dusky flicker
lofty prairie
#

Damn device gotta update 😭😭😭

crisp grail
hybrid tulip
#

you always end up back where you started Powerarmor

crisp grail
#

really starting to like Steph now

pine minnow
#

Noooo

#

🇨🇦

daring pumice
#

Its the new episode out?

pine minnow
#

Yes

daring pumice
#

Ok, thanks

split gorge
#

|| OMG house is back baby!! The Securitron next to his terminal makes me think YES MAN ending might be canon!?! ||

crisp grail
#

that was a crazzzzy episode

split gorge
#

|| also we See the President! Who plays him, and who's the identity? ||

crisp grail
#

clancy brown

split gorge
#

Ohhh

crisp grail
#

from Starship Troopers

dusky flicker
#

wow they really saving everything cool in the trailers for the last ep

pine minnow
#

No way

split gorge
pine minnow
crisp grail
#

||that deathclaw fight and the NCR entrance motiff was hella cool||

dusky flicker
#

where the ever loving love is my country??

#

wheres the bear??

pine minnow
dusky flicker
#

also no way season 3 is chicago season 3 is mo-jave and mo-problems

ancient bear
#

I bet 10€$ that they are going to put a 5$ pack for the ncr power armor on fo4

dusky flicker
#

unless like, the finale is almost 2 hours long

ancient bear
#

And it is going to suck af

dusky flicker
#

norm has been in this room for 3 episodes yall 😭

dusky flicker
#

like “””x02””” (advanced power armor)

split gorge
#

The Song "Balada de la trompeta" in the scene is so good, the tension building is so good

ancient bear
dusky flicker
#

ah

dusky flicker
marble yoke
#

||todd Howard the napoleon painting makes an appearance. I know it was there in season 1, but here we have a great look at it||

thick patio
#

Let's mind the language please

ancient bear
#

I didn't say anything that crazy but okay sorry

split gorge
#

|| Yeah I believe Yes Man ending to be Canon 100% just because the securiton next to the console and the fact house is cut off ||

dusky flicker
#

please, writers, just concretely tell me the state of the only nation im patriotic for (ncr)

split gorge
dusky flicker
#

well im californian irl so. represent

split gorge
#

Ah, fair enough

crisp grail
#

yeah that was very cool

hybrid tulip
#

|||Maximus shouldve just been on a roof vats headshotting the deathclaws what's he thinking trying to solo the event lol|||

crisp grail
#

Max did quite well all things considering

dusky flicker
#

god i hope the ncr somehow some way shows up at the end

split gorge
#

|| also Thaddeus' arm falling off was very funny ||

hybrid tulip
#

he didnt bring a weapon?!?

dusky flicker
#

he is the weapon

hybrid tulip
#

the power armor melee is lit, but he needs a new super sledge lol

dusky flicker
#

i need my ennseearr man

indigo turret
#

Is the new episode out?

sand grove
#

maximus usually fairs best in melee encounters

dusky flicker
#

no

red forge
#

Well how about that.
||Clancy Brown as the President.||

hollow depot
#

What y'all think? I just finished the episode

split gorge
#

|| so in the last episode we better see Cooper discuss with House, Freeside hopefully takes back new Vegas (That scene better start with every townsman opening fire on that deathclaw) Lucy shuts down the mainframe (connecting to The ghoul reuniting with his family, and Maximus and lucy reuniting which could lead to them hearing a loop of Norm's Distress call, leading into season 3. Which I'm honestly not sure will include the ghoul as much, if at all ||

split gorge
pulsar parrot
#

New episode was so awesome

#

||Secret Canadian subplot is so hype||

plain portal
#

||Who is severed head?||

gray badger
#

Honestly that was my favorite episode of the season, just wow

split gorge
gray badger
#

Am actually surprised Amazon greenlit that episode considering the Steph arc lmfao

#

Also the credits lmfaooooo I love it

plain portal
gray badger
plain portal
#

||Ncr power armor backpack grenade launcher?||

split gorge
#

|| the gauss rifle was cool ||

plain portal
#

Yes

gray badger
#

Whole episode was just cool

#

So we'll written

marble yoke
dusky flicker
plain portal
#

||I do wonder why maximus said oh no||

gray badger
#

Honestly I think some of the haters complaining about how this season isn't respecting NV lore will be kinda quieted by this episode.

Everything is starting to connect and make sense and it, in the words of Todd the God, "Just works"

gray badger
split gorge
pulsar parrot
#

As much as I give fallout 4 grief for how they messed up a lot of the preexisting weapons ||that Gauss rifle is sick as all get out|| and I want to somehow get the prop they used arghhh

plain portal
#

||Thaddeus is probably turning fully into abomination||

pulsar parrot
red forge
# dusky flicker that was mr krabs

Some of us know him outside of Sponge Bob, and not all of us grew up on that either, but yes.
I know him from Highlander, Shawshank Redemption, and Starship Troopers.

pulsar parrot
#

Also as Lex Luthor from the Superman and Justice league animated TV shows

dusky flicker
fallow dagger
#

Yo

crisp grail
#

Our President

broken juniper
fallow dagger
#

Who was the ghoul talking about when he told Maximus about the 1 guy?

lofty prairie
#

WHAT an episode

#

I have a gut feeling ep 8 gonna end of a cliffhanger as this season has left more questions than awnsers lmao

#

This is by far the best episode yet.

#

Season 3 gonna be minutemen trust

#

Also I love how cooper didn’t realise the government is playing him

#

And it looks like Yes man was canon. And looks like house was spared and not killed.

oak mist
vapid kestrel
#

I’ve never had such a 180 on a character before than steph

oak mist
lofty prairie
lofty prairie
vapid kestrel
lofty prairie
woven scaffold
lofty prairie
red forge
#

||Chet has now cracked his shell||

lofty prairie
spring basin
#

Just finished the ep.
What a banger.
Was absolutely not expecting || the politician's head to be part of the mainframe. ||

lofty prairie
spring basin
lofty prairie
#

My guess is the enclave didnt like her being a nuscanse so they disposed of her

spring basin
#

Also that || NCR power armor || was straight fire

lofty prairie
#

Im sorry if Steph was a war prisoner she is literally physchotic and her actions are 100% wrong

vapid kestrel
lofty prairie
#

Im team anti Steph how can anyone sympathise with her

#

Also RIP woody fly high brother.

vapid kestrel
#

Re: moments that would have been extremely traumatic & laced with heavy xenophobia leading to her current actions

#

I would like to say steph is a horrible person, but a great character

lofty prairie
forest fractal
spring basin
#

I get Steph doing what she needs to survive, but she passed that looong ago. She's just looking for the most control atp

lofty prairie
#

Woodys was the best side character ever

vapid kestrel
lofty prairie
#

Like the mental mind games she played with Chet wth that gotta do with trauma big dog

#

#freechet

crisp grail
#

im 100% on team steph now

lofty prairie
haughty lava
vapid kestrel
lofty prairie
lofty prairie
#

She’s definitely interesting now, also how the hell do 200 year old Americans know about Canada

forest fractal
grizzled gate
#

They know that it's not America

lofty prairie
#

I guess thru school, but even this far on why they painted as bad guys

vapid kestrel
vapid kestrel
spring basin
#

The big 51

lofty prairie
#

Also I love how BOS plot as been sidelined for next season lmao

#

It seems kinda massive to not reference the last few eps.

spring basin
#

Same with the legion

#

Not seen them since ep. 3

vapid kestrel
#

My understanding is that the BOS fell into chaos due to the deaths of the elders from previous episodes, infighting

lofty prairie
grizzled gate
#

||I haven't seen Clancy Brown in a role where he's been so cleaned up. Took me a moment to recognize him.||

lofty prairie
#

What y’all think season 3s location gonna be. Again just theories and your thoughts and speculation.

forest fractal
lofty prairie
spring basin
lofty prairie
crisp grail
dusky flicker
#

we know for a fact the flashbacks take place before march of 2077, since by that point the president “di” had disappeared to the enclave control station

lofty prairie
dusky flicker
#

pacific north west mon frer

spring basin
#

Pacific Northwest. Like washington, oregon.

lofty prairie
dusky flicker
#

HEY

last garnet
lofty prairie
#

Maybe Chicago prehaps? MIDWEST bos???

lofty prairie
dusky flicker
#

there’s zero way this setting is wrapped by next week

vapid kestrel
dusky flicker
#

OooOoOoOoOo true

vapid kestrel
lofty prairie
#

Nah it’s diabolical if they don’t have reference Australia in the future

dusky flicker
crisp grail
lofty prairie
#

Also did anyone else see the nod to international communication? There was a room I saw that was global comms

dusky flicker
crisp grail
lofty prairie
grizzled gate
#

||I guess can we be entirely certain that the President in this episode was still the President when the bombs dropped?||

dusky flicker
#

she drop on my bear til my creature go crazy

dusky flicker
#

like i said timeline wise the president and his cabinet disappears by march

lofty prairie
#

Wasnt all Prior presidents brains uploaded to a server and eden was a former pre war president

dusky flicker
#

no i don’t think so?

lofty prairie
#

I swear Eden said something about that

dusky flicker
#

we really dont have any confirmation even president “di’s” mind was preserved

lofty prairie
dusky flicker
#

because thats the pres’s initials