fallout-tv-series

[quick coral]

i like how everyone arguing is forgetting the game of telephone that's required for accurate numbers of the NCR

37k can turn into 700k so EASILY

without the internet, without news, without direct involvement

[tepid stirrup]

Also like… regular schools just aren’t a thing. We can’t rely on the fact that everyone can count and do math either. lol

[quick coral]

like you give me the names of the accounts and their direct involvement then we can talk

[foggy fulcrum]

Btw I’m sorry if I have doubted your criticism’s, but It’s not exactly easy for me to look to easily on something as blatantly ignoring lore or going out of it’s way to disrespect it intentionally.

I like looking at things from multiple perspectives and not just The One Perspective is all.

[quick coral]

well i finished the show and now i just want MORE

how long will i have to wait, hopefully its not the same amount of time between games 🤣

[foggy fulcrum]

I love Fallout, but I also don’t want to assume the worst to easily, I have to remain optimistic that their is more to something than meets the eye in regards to how we perceive lore

[quick coral]

haters gunna try to find any reason to not understand the issues over distance of communication of that time, thats all this argument is.

im just here wanting to see more

[tepid stirrup]

I’m sure they will start with season 2 filming as soon as the Amazon execs get done swimming in their big pool full of money they just made off this lmao

[digital copper]

As pointed out, 700k population of Shady Sands was misapplied lol. Two extra zeroes. It growing from 7000 when that number was given in FO2 to 37k when the city was nuked is entirely plausible lol. Same with them having 700k citizens across the entire nation

[quick coral]

haha well we'll see

[quick coral]

it also benefits those where you see that info

[abstract pagoda]

Please avoid calling people Haters if you can, that never leads anywhere good and contributes to overall toxicity. ( Just generally speaking, people get defensive if they're genuinely upset about something and someone comes in saying 'Nah, your concern isn't genuine, you're just arguing in bad faith')

[foggy fulcrum]

They are making Money from this, The Boys, and even Hazbin Hotel

[quick coral]

did you read this chain though? like, all i saw was "you are wrong" despite not understanding how news carries without internet and modern journalism. I don't see any other descriptor

[digital copper]

What I'm more interested in is the less easily explained implicit retcon of Shady Sands' location lol. Both its appearances in the games prior to this placed it in the middle of the desert over 100 miles north of LA near Death Valley. Here it's explicitly described by a local as "not too far" from the Hollywood Hills lol

[quick coral]

not retcon, just issue of the time and benefit of those who tell the story

that makes it SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING

[tepid stirrup]

Yeah I need a map of the show.

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m just looking at it from the perspective that we never get all the info right away and there was more to something we didn’t realize.

Remember the Brotherhood made it a thing where Roger Maxson was distrusting of outsiders and wanted to focus on technology only, which is the standard way we see the Brotherhood now, but we learn he was never truly like that.

[digital copper]

Uh, it kind of literally is a retcon. They explicitly said it's in a different place than it was before this came out XD

[foggy fulcrum]

76 gave the perspective that he actually wanted his Brotherhood to help the wasteland rebuild

[quick coral]

and who said that 🤣

[tepid stirrup]

Where was Filly located?

[foggy fulcrum]

Which I’m gonna say right now… what do we truly know about a person?

[quick coral]

that console, what writer and how does that directly connect to these events

[tepid stirrup]

She said she was walking for two weeks which is plenty of time to walk 100 miles

[digital copper]

IIRC the radio tower guy who is clearly a local to the Hollywood Hills goes "oh yeah that old ruin Shady Sands, it's not too far from here" or something along those lines. Someone in LA says it at any rate lol

Whereas in previous games it was... pretty explicitly multiple weeks' travel away from LA 😂

[foggy fulcrum]

I hope people get what I am trying to say

Point is… don’t believe everything your told in Fallout to easily.

[quick coral]

what's the travel time between nevada-ish and LA on the PCT?

it's probably a few weeks, but that doesnt change that the story can change over that time

[foggy fulcrum]

Regarding Frederick Sinclair, was he really this good guy? Like be honest? Was he really? What did we really know about him besides what we were told?

[quick coral]

everyone exxagerates

[foggy fulcrum]

Like sure he loved a woman, he did all this stuff for her, but anybody can be a good individual when it comes to somebody they start to like.

Again I never played the DLC, but I have to also look at it from a different perspective

[digital copper]

Whu... I'm... not talkign about people's stories about something changing?

[foggy fulcrum]

What can you tell me about Frederick Sinclair?

[quick coral]

you literally are taking text you read at face value

[digital copper]

I'm talking about... a physical location being... explicitly shown to be in a different place than it was shown to be in previously lol

I feel like I'm being gaslit on this topic XD

[quick coral]

🙄

maybe we're talking about different things

[tepid stirrup]

So Las Vegas is 290 miles from Santa Monica and it would take an estimated 97 hours to walk that distance.

[digital copper]

Huh? Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand? 😂

[quick coral]

97 hours is pretty short, but given the issues you could run in that time would be rough

[foggy fulcrum]

I was talking about how well do we really know a person?

[tepid stirrup]

Could still be done in a couple weeks though.

[digital copper]

97 hours, if you're basing it on Google maps, also doesn't take into account stops to rest

[quick coral]

so longer for the time for story to change

without education, without understanding of math and the difference between 00 and 000000

[foggy fulcrum]

I brought up that Roger Maxson was said to be this pariah figure to many and they make it sound like he’s your standard Brotherhood guy who would be proud of the Brotherhood today but that isn’t true with how we learn what he really felt about the Brotherhood and where it was heading.

That we took it at face value and only with 76 learned more about the real him

[tepid stirrup]

97 miles would only be 7ish hours a day of walking and I’m sure she was doing more.

[foggy fulcrum]

Frederick Sinclair then I ask… was he really this good guy that Dead Money made him out to be?

[digital copper]

I really think that I'm being misunderstood here... I'm not talking about population numbers or dates or anything any more, I'm talking about how... you see, on a satellite map, that Shady Sands is far away from Los Angeles, and can physically traverse the distance, and it takes like a week of in-game time, and then here it's directly stated by at least one character to be within walking distance of the place he lives, which is in Los Angeles 😂

[quick coral]

this is moving goalposts from what you've said before though

[digital copper]

I'm... what? I'm not trying to move the goalposts I'm trying to change the topic of discussion lmao

[quick coral]

i dont doubt that you're well meaning

[foggy fulcrum]

I just need an answer because I wanna come to a consensus on the guy

[quick coral]

im probably misremembering names haha

its hard to keep track

[digital copper]

Do you think I'm JayRicktor

[quick coral]

haha i dunno

i dont work til noon tomorrow so i bought some beers 😛

[digital copper]

Sadly haven't replayed NV in a while or brushed up on Dead Money recently, but Jay's description was accurate based on my recollections, I think

[quick coral]

but at the end of the day, i see a serious lack of understanding of how news can travel and benefit those in power in a time like that using exaggeration

esp given the timeframe

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s more that I’m not willing to look at Sinclair as a good guy despite Dead Money, because someone can easily have Skeletons in their closet

A Villain can be in a sympathetic situation and still be a bad guy for what they helped orchestrate

[digital copper]

Yeah you're very clearly having a completely different conversation than the one I was trying to have, which was about how they seemingly changed the physical location of Shady Sands lol

[quick coral]

OF COURSE those in the NCR they're going to inflate numbers to make people more willing join their cause

[tepid stirrup]

I think a lot of people in the universe never walked more than 10 feet from their house and have no idea how far anything is from anything else.

[foggy fulcrum]

But that’s just me

[quick coral]

yeah you might be right, sorry bro

[digital copper]

I haven't been talking about population numbers for... a bit lol

[quick coral]

haha yeah ive prolly been stuck on it

it was just so verifiably false given the situation of that time

[digital copper]

Fair enough I suppose lol. Though in that case they'd be basing their understanding on what other people have told them... which couldn't be too far off from accurate if they arrived from that place, lol

IDK, it's weird and awkward.

[tiny saddle]

||I just hope we see some super mutants in season 2. ||

[tepid stirrup]

Also everyone is out of their minds with rads sickness half the time and Fred Armisen wasn’t giving reliable narrator vibes.

[quick coral]

|| id like to see it, given the Seattle view we saw at the end ||

[digital copper]

Ehh, he was giving more reliable narrator vibes than most random wasters. Clearly a relatively educated fellow if he knows that much about music mixing, hosts a classical music station, and built complex booby traps out of scrap 🤣

[quick coral]

|| i loved seeing fred armisen though haha ||

[quick coral]

not more than my boy three dog though 😛

[foggy fulcrum]

I take Fallout similarly to Elder Scrolls, we don’t always get the whole story

There is more than meets the eye

[quick coral]

if we had the whole story, then there wouldnt be a future

i love that about these games

[foggy fulcrum]

Like again, beating a dead horse here, it’s why I am not keen on just believing the show went out of it’s way to ignore or purposely retcon lore.

[quick coral]

i love that mystery and challenge to what i already know

[digital copper]

Oh I don't either tbh

[quick coral]

thats just what i love about fallout

[foggy fulcrum]

Again, example being Roger Maxson, what did you all think of Roger before 76?

[digital copper]

But in this case I fully think they just accidentally made a huge mistake and didn't know where Shady Sands was or mistakenly thought it wasn't established XD

[quick coral]

you'll read a console that directly conflicts what you read before because of perspective

learning something new

[foggy fulcrum]

Did you think Roger was similar to the standard Brotherhood Soldier?

[digital copper]

I always had a vision of him as having hardened a lot as a result of the exodus. 76 was a pleasant surprise in how he remained idealistic and altruistic, and how it was (likely) the failures of the early expeditions and expansion efforts combined with his failing health and the (much later) death of his son at the hands of raiders that pushed the Brotherhood into the isolationism and distrust of outsiders we see from the rest of the series

[foggy fulcrum]

But that’s exactly what I mean tho, we had this image in our heads about what we believed he was and ended up with something else, we believe we know people based on certain events and scenarios but in reality they are likely a bad person in a sympathetic situation or something else.

Point is we don’t know everything about someone and they can either turn out to be a good person, a bad person, or something in between

[digital copper]

Yeah, and that's fair! I don't entirely disagree. But I do think that not showcasing that side of him at all, and indeed showcasing a previously unseen side of him that's largely the opposite of what little we saw of him before, was kind of a lame and disappointing way to try and add depth. And also the blatant mistake/error of him owning Big MT :P

[foggy fulcrum]

That’s what I asked a friend actually, and that’s why in regards to Sinclair, we may not have known everything about him, in Dead Money we saw a situation where we feel bad for him and didn’t think he could be bad, the show comes out and we realize that he actually is, but only for the woman he loved was he a completely loving person.

[quick coral]

im gunna watch the borat show now haha enjoy your night friends 🙂

[foggy fulcrum]

He doesn’t own Big MT, it said he was an executive in the show

[digital copper]

Ehh, still a case of his relationship to it being misunderstood pretty thoroughly. He was pretty explicitly a customer, and not a partner/shareholder. Fully out of the loop about their business aside from the product lines they had on offer for him :P

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m not gonna deny it’s odd to learn that their was more to him than what Dead Money told us, probably because that wasn’t the original intention.

Executive part I can definitely see as being off considering the whole thing in Dead Money

Like I said I am analyzing it and looking at it as “Is this really so much character assassination as much as it is expanding on what we believed to know?”

Not ignoring it but not so readily willing to say it wasn’t thought of well

Just believing we can’t look at everything so readily as a bad thing

[tepid stirrup]

I don’t think so. If Shady Sands is near mount whitney (like in the game) then the time to walk there works out perfectly and it is technically still “just over that hill” like the guy says. The hill is just, like, a mountain range. Haha.

[quick coral]

mount whitney is beautiful

[digital copper]

Two whole mountain ranges if you count the Hollywood hills themselves, and a stretch of desert almost twice as long as the distance from there to the ocean shore in the opposite direction, but yeah sure, why not 😂

[foggy fulcrum]

As for the depth part, I do think that depends on who you ask, because Villains can love someone and still be a bad person.

Walter White comes to mind really, doing horrible things and still having people he loves

[digital copper]

Again, think you're preaching to the choir here buddy 😂

JayRicktor's the one who needs to hear all that, not I lol

[quick coral]

who?

[foggy fulcrum]

You talking to me or Inferno? I assume Inferno

[quick coral]

i read up for like, 3 hours and didnt see that name

[tepid stirrup]

Well he was clearly outside of LA proper. Filly was the remnants of LA and they had left there SEVERAL days before he runs into Fred Armisen and his songs .

[digital copper]

The person whose arguments and stances about Sinclair and NCR population ya'll have been halfway attributing to me just because I sort of agreed with them a bit an hour ago 😂

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m just bored and need someone’s thoughts on it is all

[digital copper]

Heh, entirely fair

[quick coral]

sorry, i dont know who jayrickor is, im just reponding to the individuals that i literally respond to.

im reading all this, and just seeing one person attempting to grasp for straws in the "lore"

doing my best to keep names and whatnot, but watching something else too

[digital copper]

you also mentioned you're a few beers in as I recall lol

[quick coral]

I was at that time

but i also see someone grasping at straws trying to argue reasonable folks

[foggy fulcrum]

Welcome to The Fallout Fandom

War Never Changes

[quick coral]

that is very true ahah, its a big reason i dont engage much with fallout fandom

i just love the games, and all the lore, a lot of people just miss perspective

[foggy fulcrum]

I try to make sure we don’t look at something as the way we viewed it in another way. But that’s how it is

[quick coral]

thats seriously all it is, like, why should i trust one console or one news caster's perspective over new info?

i think its cool to learn new stuff about the world

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s something Bethesda has done with Elder Scrolls and brought to Fallout, the idea of the Unreliable Narrator.

[quick coral]

im totally okay with being wrong with what i thought before

[foggy fulcrum]

Where we can take someones words to heart, but not always.

[quick coral]

the unreliable narrator is a beautiful thing for long term storytelling

[foggy fulcrum]

Sometimes it is what it is, we don’t get the full picture if at all.

[quick coral]

i always approach new storytelling content with an open mind

but i know that thats unique in most of the gaming community

just watch it for what it is, know that you might also be seeing all this from a new perspective

i see no issue with learning new information, and basing my view off of new info

its like with anything in life

i love that whole dichotomy

and thats something that makes fallout amazing

[tepid stirrup]

I said last night that I am so glad I have a bad memory for things because it’s much easier to enjoy things from a surface level and not pick it apart. Lol

[quick coral]

right, if you're going to approach this show like you know more than todd howard and people literally doing everything in their power to keep the world running in the long term i think you're going to lose lol

just see new info and understand that what you heard/read might be wrong

[tepid stirrup]

It just seems like an exhausting way to consume any kind of media

[quick coral]

i love that about the fallout universe, you see that multiple times in the game

learning new info and understanding it comes from new sources and new perspectives

I approach all this like im learning new things

thats all, its just a matter of thinking you know more than the storytellers

[tepid stirrup]

You spend the whole time in Fallout 4 as an unreliable narrator having no idea about the passage of time or how long your kid has been out there. Clearly that did not sink in.

[quick coral]

you're gunna lose lol

[quick coral]

i mean look at the vaults. the entire story is based around controlling narrative

people fail to see the story from a larger perspective

its just a bunch of people vying for control of the narrative

and YOU make the decision at the end

thats the beautiful thing about the games

its not about what's right or wrong, its about what you believe while you play the game. thats why it's and RPG and why there are multiple endings

you control all of that throughout the story

and thats one of the things i think is interestintg here, is that we are not in control like we are in the rest of the fallout games

like you believe what you want, but there's a long history in the world that the person controlling the narrative, whether that be the player or who you believe throughout that narrative is correct, you still end up controlling that outcome

if that makes sense

[hexed helm]

It's actually pretty good. It actually suprising when people actually know what they are doing make a tv show and makes me upset how bad the other ip have been treated

[storm verge]

Kinda helps when the creator is a fan of the games

[quick coral]

Yeah like you don't see that much, then having the sense to make sure the creative director and team is involved withh the adaptation. I dig it

[storm verge]

I mean Todd was very selective about who could make a fallout series as it’s not the first to be proposed but wanted to make sure it was made right

[quick coral]

I love that. That they protect the IP

Long term thinking

[hexed helm]

i liked how they handled the charachters and factions tastefully

[storm verge]

I really hope that this show sets a precedent for any future video game adaptations

[hexed helm]

perhaps.

time will tell, for now we have a rare gem encapsolated in time untainted.

[storm verge]

Definitely

[hexed helm]

Last thing. I'd rather have had this film be a fallout game than 76 and narratively many elements changed with what we got for fallout 4 maybe this is exclusive to the format, It's been a very long time since fallout left me this satisfied.

This is fallout.

[viscid kernel]

So I just finished the show and is there going to be a second season?

[storm verge]

Yes

[viscid kernel]

Is it confirmed?

Cause I have a small Fallout addiction now

[red forge]

Well the answer is yes 🤣

[tiny saddle]

Yep! It is 100% confirmed and Amazon Studios has already gave it the green light and everything.

[viscid kernel]

Yessssss!!!!!

[storm verge]

I also love how they incorporated other game mechanics like skill checks and bobble heads

[hexed helm]

have you not seen the end?

[viscid kernel]

No I did I just didn’t know if it was going to actually happen or if the show would be abandoned

[quick coral]

I saw the end and I still didn't know, I dont trust MGM after Stargate universe lol

[red forge]

That depends of the level of significance of the lore it sets.

[viscid kernel]

So far it’s set pretty significant lore

[hexed helm]

All i'm gonna say is I would really like if obsidian and the director of this can talk.

Cause I'm digging alot of things.

[red forge]

I'm talking on level of scale. Is it nationwide, or localised? Inevitably some will carry into future content.

[hexed helm]

one of the things I hope to see before I die.

[quick coral]

who's to say they didnt?

[hexed helm]

in terms of game production.

what was it?

[quick coral]

ah yeah im not sure thats ever going to happen

[hexed helm]

maybe.

[quick coral]

FO5 guna be like a decade from now

and obsidian is working on thier own IP, no>?

[viscid kernel]

Probably

[hexed helm]

no reason durring fallout 76 10 year life span they cant have some preproduction/ect

[storm verge]

I hope future games will have references to the show

[hexed helm]

techology, time, talent

I think things will be good.

if they had permission

[quick coral]

yeah i mean thats a big ask

[hexed helm]

the sad thing is it doesn't need to be.

[quick coral]

considering beth doesnt really acknowledge NV, i mean even look at the chat channels

its a big ask

[hexed helm]

maybe if enough time passes people can see how dumb it all was and give some credit and a new opourtunity.

[quick coral]

i mean, how much time has passed already?

over a decade?

[hexed helm]

enough time in my opinion, but considering it all, game launched in a better state some modern AAA or AAAA studios do

[quick coral]

youd at least see acknowledgement here first

so im sure its not even a consideration given they dont even have a chat channel for one of the most popular games

[hexed helm]

I also think that enough time has past big wigs and investors have a better enough wisdom for what it takes to bake a cake so to speek.

all it is, waiting for the right people to say yes

god willing

[quick coral]

i WANT enough time to be passed, but it certainly doesnt seem like it from what i see

[hexed helm]

and maybe they can hire someone who knows about guns haha

all righty

gn chat

[quick coral]

i think all gamers are on the same page here that we just want a good game with the IP. but honestly there seems to be enough animosity still given the discord that its even to this day not being acknowledged

[hexed helm]

[quick coral]

so if you think there's going to be collaboration BEFORE a discord channel, thats a pie in the sky idea

unreasonable hatred imo, but still i gotta deal with it

i do think its funny that FO3 has achannel despite zero pc support

you literally need mods for it to run properly

or play on console because f pc players

and if anyone thinks beth is going to support or acknowledge NV when they dont even look at FO3, i think yall got another thing coming

like ffs shelter has a channel when NV doesnt

i just see it as jealousy, nothing more. NV isnt the best, but it seriously was JUST as fleshed out as a mainline game

even if theres a little animosity between studios, obsidian did it righgt

and i only had to wait half the time betwee ngames. its unfortunate, but i see no future for a mid release game. i dont even care about elder scrolls

ill buy it because i respect the company, but its clear to me that beth wont collaborate in any meaningful way with another company. ill believe it when i see it

like my fanboy nature still makes me deal with a broken ass watch that ive had zero response from support on since november

i sent a ticket but no response since december, where they send a super vague response that they were working on it i guesS:?

its been half a year

i ended up just figuring out a workaround i deal with at least once a month. basically, 10 days out of the month i have no watch

sorry to vent that, but my ticket has just been rotting since release of starfield

no updates, no info, just in progress

and yes ive called, yes ive checked the tickety

they just dont care about supporting anything after you buy it

now that im talking about all this im getting mad lol

it just feels like they're hoping ill forget about paying the highest amount of dollars for starfield and paid more because i thoguht the watch was going to be cool

it ended up being a cheap ass watch that doesnt even work 1/3rd of the year

every 2 weeks, i need to let the battery die because there's no display, then attempt 2x by draining the battery for it to eventually work

[tiny saddle]

Of the 3 main characters, which did you guys like the best?

[storm verge]

I definitely enjoyed Lucy the most

[tiny saddle]

I think the same for me. I figured I would end up loving Maximus, but I’m not sure what to think about him, haha.

[storm verge]

I think Lucy really showcases how naive the vault dwellers are

[ivory tulip]

THAT ending was wild

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. The actress was great. I love how she kept her principles too. I was worried they were going to make her heartless like the Ghoul by the end.

[ivory tulip]

I’m glad they didn’t

[storm verge]

|| I can’t believe they confirmed that fan theory ||

[ivory tulip]

right

I was thinking well maybe and following the in game lore as we progress through the series and damn

[storm verge]

Why isn’t it marking it as a spoiler?

[ivory tulip]

Also ||rob-co|| come on that was a dead give away to, I just wasn’t expecting it

Honestly people were wondering about why ||new Vegas|| was getting updated well now we know why

[storm verge]

|| i kinda figured VaultTec was behind it but I didn’t think it would be confirmed ||

[ivory tulip]

100% correct

I’m just sad I gotta wait now

[storm verge]

I hope the show introduces some more new creatures

[ivory tulip]

I’m worried tho it’s probably not going to get a second season or direction of it will shift and it’ll get axed

[storm verge]

Season two is confirmed

[tiny saddle]

This is something I really want. I want to see more special regional creatures. Something 76 does really well the cryptids and stuff.

[storm verge]

Yeah because I feel like with the show being an independent story it should have its own unique enemies that would still fit within the universe

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. This is why I really want the next Fallout to be somewhere like Texas, Louisiana, or Florida. Imagine the creatures!

[storm verge]

I think Bethesda is keeping the games to the same coast while the show will stay on the other side of the country

[tiny saddle]

Yeah. Probably right. I just really wanna know what is happening in the apocalyptic South.

Seeing a live action gulper was awesome though!

[storm verge]

I’d love to see what state Wisconsin is in

[tiny saddle]

Probably a bunch of giant mutated badgers!

[storm verge]

It’s like Skyrim and fallout with radioactive cheese wheels

[ivory tulip]

Skyrim tv show when?

[tiny saddle]

Oh, God! Yeah, imagine the cheese, haha!

[storm verge]

Maybe not specifically Skyrim but Elder Scrolls

[tiny saddle]

If I remember correctly, Todd Howard has said there has been an interest from studios, but Bethesda has never been interested in doing it.

[storm verge]

But I want to see giants flinging real people to aetherius

[tiny saddle]

Like, I think they just didn’t think it would do it justice sort of thing.

I honestly think if the Fallout show does really well with casual audiences, that could change.

[burnt quartz]

A true masterpiece. It's everything I wanted and more.

[ivory tulip]

Gotta agree

[tiny saddle]

Happy with the Brotherhood, Paladin?

[burnt quartz]

Most definitely.

[signal isle]

What is wrong with the Nev Vegas cultists lmao

[storm verge]

I’m more of an institutionalist

[signal isle]

People cried out on the ending for stupid reasons

[ivory tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-is-the-game-was-rigged-from-shot-kill-gif-13763696

That being said I’m a BoS fan boy

[covert flax]

'A feral ghoul can't abide a chicken'

Best line yet

[tiny saddle]

||Who do you guys think was the shadow figure during the Vault-Tec meeting?||

[covert flax]

So the series is 10 years after FO4 right?

[full silo]

2296

[tiny saddle]

Yep!

[covert flax]

Thought so, so we have a clue as yo the canon ending of F4 then

Love it so far

[marble yoke]

||why couldn't brotherhood knights turn on their flashlights in that dark scene from the last episode?||

[storm verge]

Because it wouldn’t be as cool

[full silo]

they are real men

[spare trail]

Enclave if I had to guess

[ivory tulip]

Your mom

[obtuse siren]

I really do wish people would stop stating this because they do. Hell Kellog's dream is a big ref to New Vegas. 76 is 25 years after the bombs so there would be no reason to ref it.

[obtuse siren]

||That was the US government/Enclave rep. Since the Enclave actually oversees the vaults.||

[foggy fulcrum]

9 specifically

[foggy fulcrum]

76 also references New Vegas Locations

[ebon oracle]

I am gonna be ticked off if the show is good after I watch it. I know you guys say it's good. The reason I might be mad that the show is good is not what you think. I would love the show and be mad at the same time because as a Halo fan, I would be extremely jealous. And that's a compliment for the Fallout TV series. Hell, the fact that the TV series is set in the canon timeline makes me more jealous and I'm gonna enjoy the show and be jealous Halo couldn't do the same. Wish Halo was given to Amazon instead of Paramount.

Nvm. I'm already jealous. The show already seems to truly follow the source material, unlike Paramount's Halo. The directors of Fallout TV are obviously better writers than Paramount. Wish they wrote Halo. One of the directors directed the Dark Knight trilogy and the other directed The Boys tv series. I'm truly jealous.

[red forge]

Ok so I'm someone who thinks all the hate on Halo series is just dumb because the hate is all for the wrong reasons. FYI I'm not scoping you in this, just speaking general terms.
The writers of the Halo series made clear from the get-go that it was going to be an alternate story. There are differences to the source material for its own narrative. It's not meant to be canon. Think of it on terms with the Warcraft movie, except perhaps more so its own thing.
Fallout, however, there is the creative license, because given the premise of the games where story is localised to the location and time, the series covers a time period not yet covered, therefore as long as it's faithful to major lore arcs, it can make new content.

[ebon oracle]

They shouldn't call it Halo. Just call it Halo: The Silver Timeline. Any live action adaptation is better than Paramount's Halo. (Except The Last Airbender movie)

[red forge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true badge]

Fallout TV series is one of those shows that you definitely have to watch to see if you like it. I’ve watched two episodes, absolutely loved them. This definitely has Fallouts brand of violence, lore, funneh, quirky and so on. The opening chapter in the first episode is something that for me, TV is missing a lot of the time. I had multiple full on LOL moments watching it, whilst also appreciating some very swish plot setups and a fantastic cadence between (purposeful) ham acting and subtle shifts and so on. I’m not saying this show will be for everyone, I suspect most FO fans will enjoy it if they maybe watch and enjoy it first, then pick apart the lore later. As for the general population, well, us Vault Dwellers have to hope the surface dwellers are still intelligent enough to understand it, and make sure we get another 30 seasons 😄

[ebon oracle]

I figured as much. I'm already jealous.

[marble yoke]

So Lucy apparently doesn’t know what a tumbleweed is. Even though she watched the old movies in the vault

[true badge]

Dont be jealous, just watch it 😄

[ebon oracle]

Of course I'll watch it. I'll watch it, love it and be jealous.

[true badge]

That was a little odd I agree, but I did love the actors facial expression as it happened haha

[red forge]

Take it up with marketing. /shrug

[true badge]

I think the lead is doing a good job of over-egging the whole vault dweller personae

[red forge]

I feel this too. You'd feel like it would be excessively cringe, but... no, she's playing it very well.

[tardy shoal]

she does such a good job!

[obtuse siren]

I do hope in Fallout 5 we get away from starting as a vault dweller and start as a wastelander, maybe stumble into a vault and explain how we get our pip boy but something differnet

[tardy shoal]

Any theories about what happened to ||Cooper's daughter||?

[obtuse siren]

||Given how he was reacting to Hank very likely was taken by Vault Tec/Enclave.||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Likely frozen and is alive.||

[tardy shoal]

could very well be! I was more leaning towards his hatred being ||because they seemingly brainwashed his wife. Maybe she's frozen in 31. Heck maybe his daughter is too.||

[tardy shoal]

yeah maybe! Or they could be like totally sadistic and create an arc where she's a robobrain or some similarly terrible fate

[obtuse siren]

||Oh his wife was def not brainwashed, but he definitely loved his daughter.||

[tardy shoal]

I know she was actively buying into AND selling the ||Vault Tec philosophy but the way I interpreted it was that she was more down to Earth when she married Cooper||

I suppose it could be a conspiracy, like what if ||she was tasked with seducing Cooper and turn him into a vessel for Vault Tec's message||

which is just all the more creepy because they have a child together

[obtuse siren]

I mean ||She is literally the one that said they will drop the bombs||

If I were to bet ||Coop wants to find his wife because he wants to know why, and the usual what did it all mean to you type questions||

[weak rivet]

||The whole situation in Vault 4 in ep 7 is so Fallout it hurts hilariously.||

[obtuse siren]

Hehe yea ||and Jerry still plays the loser even in the Fallout universe.||

[tardy shoal]

he's the best live action rendition of a ||cyclops|| to date, CMM

[round wren]

No spoilers but I've seen 7 out of 8 episodes now and I'm so happy that they got the tone right, the personality of the Fallout games (that I know. I've played Fo4, Fo76 and Fo3 in that order).

Also, I'm really enjoying seeing the pre-war perspective! I love that we have an origin story for || Codsworth || though I'll always love the original VA, the actor did a splendid job!

[red forge]

Ok so one thing that unsettles me a bit... ||How the heck the did other squire guy, who thought Maximus was Titus, get his left boot back on so fast and efficiently in spite of his big toe becoming like loose cartilage?! This is "plot armour" territory.||

[tardy shoal]

yeah Matt Berry is a national treasure. A wonderful casting choice that I think honors the original.

[tardy shoal]

hahaha I wondered that too at the time

[slow dragon]

wasteland humans built different

[dry sparrow]

So Emil has confirmed NV is still canon despite what some weirdos are suggesting

[dry sparrow]

matt berry is an icon

https://tenor.com/view/darkplace-dark-leo-leosanchez-mattberry-gif-12498321

[tardy shoal]

yeah which is annoying because anytime those people would pop up 5 more would explain exactly why they are wrong and yet they still keep coming

[red forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-hot-sweat-sweaty-nervous-gif-21026685

[dry sparrow]

as far as I see it.. Todd, Istvan and Emil are the three that decide how Fallout lore works now, the whiteboard stuff can easily be explained.

Even if a retcon from 1/2 happens it's not the first large game universe that's had retcons, warcraft had over 10,000 years of lore added to it years after it came out

[obtuse siren]

I mean Fallout 1 to 2 retconned a lot, as much as the haters like to claim to the contrary.

[red forge]

I'm yet to play these, but I like to consider devil's advocacy here. When games were written in this time, there was not a lot of consideration for that much future thinking of ways to preserve lore. Look at the Warcraft universe. Retcons everywhere.

[red forge]

LOL so ||I just reached the moment where his neck injury healed, when he should've died. After being told he could now be a ghoul, having taken that "cure", his response was like "argh gosh darn..."||

[tardy shoal]

that moment of realization where denial turns into accepetance

ngl at first I kinda felt bad for ||him with how Max was treating him, but I kinda forgot he was one of the ones that were jumping Max|| in the earlier episodes

[lofty prairie]

So is the NCR fully dead

[tardy shoal]

use spoilers

[red forge]

Yeah it was very much a ||"the abused becomes the abuser" by means of managing to defer all the attention to another victim plot||

[tardy shoal]

but nah I dont think they're COMPLETELY dead

[tardy shoal]

yeah 100%
it was almost funny how cyclical it was
||Max is the bad guy! Ok now Max is the good guy! Ohp no he's the bad guy again! Eh ok he's somewhere in between now!||

[slow dragon]

||stationing your entire organization at one central, moderately defensible outpost would be a supremely dumb decision and if that’s what they actually did then tbh they deserved to be eliminated||

[lofty prairie]

|| i hope they or at least most of it relocated, i hope they actually ahow up in season2 especially how it ends||

[slow dragon]

ya need two ||

on either side of the message

[tardy shoal]

||your spoiler||

[lofty prairie]

Sorry this is new to me

[tardy shoal]

same here, I dont want them to be completely wiped

[tardy shoal]

all good

[slow dragon]

i like how much they’ve left the door open for. ||we haven’t even seen a super mutant (fully) yet||

[red forge]

FYI you can still edit that post to add the missing | to fix it 😉

[tardy shoal]

also begs the question, if the ||NCR did fall... how? More Maldover shenanigans? Also need to answer how she survived for so long... some are assuming cryosleep but I feel there's something else at play||

[slow dragon]

also SUPER curious to see if they’ll touch on the whole ||eldritch horrors and unknowable yet malicious gods lurking at the periphery of the franchise thing||

[tardy shoal]

this!!! I mean we see a ||green hand on gourney|| but that was it

[lofty prairie]

I personally like how the || how gone more fanatical||

[red forge]

You know, seeing a real life replica of the Robco computer terminals, it really energises me to build one but using a Commodore 64 case instead for the keyboard.

[tardy shoal]

yep. also cryptids.
in E2 around the 15 minute mark, when ||Wilzig stops at the toxic waste cavern to take a break, you can hear a Sheepsquatch call in the distance, but you only see the yao guai. ||

[slow dragon]

the show doesn’t explicitly state how ||maldover survived but i feel like it’s heavily implied she was in cryosleep too. whether that was 1. in vault 31, 2. using vault-tec technology or her own, and 3. how long she’s actually been awake still remains to be seen. i like that the universe canonically has prewar vault-tec execs mobbing around now tho. that can make for SUCH spicy narratives down the line||

[lofty prairie]

I hope we see other power armor types in season 2

[tardy shoal]

oh man I feel this so badly, my hobby bench is already buried in projects but all I wanna do now is build retro-future Fallout stuff!

[tardy shoal]

lol same, and maybe they can do more than walk around menacincly this time

[slow dragon]

my pipe dream is that in s2 they give me some arizona lore. criminally underutilized area

[lofty prairie]

I hope the T51 appears

Plus a deathclaw fight

[red forge]

Mate, stop.

[tardy shoal]

All good theories. I would submit it doesn't HAVE to be ||Vault 31, as per FO4 we do know that there are other vaults with cryo pods. But I'm actually floating the idea that there is anti-aging technology, although there isn't much evidence of that.||

[lofty prairie]

Let's hope that's only in that particular chapter of the BOS

[red forge]

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[lofty prairie]

Maybe Moldaver was something like a || Synth||

[tardy shoal]

YES exactly!!!

[slow dragon]

||tbh i hope she’s not from 31 for the reason you said; we KNOW cryogenic stasis is not limited to 31, and she mentioned that her technology was made proprietary after vault-etc acquired every company she ever worked for. the show doesn’t imply this outright but i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s revealed she had a hand in that technology and used it for her own means outside of vault-tec’s domain||

[obtuse siren]

||Not likely, they are very weakened, and probably in pockets with maybe a central presence in New Vegas going by the outro teaser for season 2.||

[tardy shoal]

same here. She demonstrates that she ||has a pretty sophisticated understanding of both post and pre war tech, I mean she didn't invent cold fusion but she did manage to create a reactor for it. So I wouldnt put it past her at all.||

[lofty prairie]

One of the biggest mysterys for me after watching the show was || how is the enclave alive||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Remnants||

||The Enclave isn’t necessarily gone for good, they are crippled but at this point they are in hiding.||

[tardy shoal]

not just alive! alive and well! they're freaking busy over there!

[safe quail]

Can't wait for Season 2 !

[lofty prairie]

That is true

[obtuse siren]

||People make broad assumptions based on faulty logic. There are dozens of VIP bunkes across the US in real life, so it would easily surmise that the Pacific and Raven Rock were not the only ones. IN real life you also have Cheyenne Mountain, the conspiracy of Denver airport, Fort Campbel and many other locations that Enclave hives would be.||

[slow dragon]

tbf no one can convince me DIA doesn’t have a bunker under it. the whole place is weird as hell

can also guarantee you bluecifer’s eyes have cameras in them

[tardy shoal]

I wonder how close the ||Enclave base Wilzig worked at is to LA. It must be close because he runs into Lucy the same day that she leaves.||

[lofty prairie]

May be bland for story but I hope the ||Enclave play a role in season 2||

[tardy shoal]

I think they will. I'm hoping for ||more Enclave, some NCR backstory, Super Mutants, more cryptids, more PA stuff... ||

[tardy shoal]

did Synths in FO4 have blue eyes?

[lofty prairie]

What do you mean ||PA stuff||

[tardy shoal]

||Power Armor|| stuff lol

[lofty prairie]

They had yellow gen1 and 2 at least

[slow dragon]

blucifer’s eyes are red

[obtuse siren]

Synths could have any color eyes, but were basically in the Commonwealth area. ||I doubt Maldover was a synth. She likely was cryo or FEV or ghoul or osmething.||

[slow dragon]

i’d love to see references to synths in s2. no matter the ending of f4 they’re still out there

[lofty prairie]

Not gonna lie I was a bit excited to see Shady sands || only to see it nuked|| what a shame

[tardy shoal]

one thing I wonder about this theory is that ||destroying The Institute is an option in FO4 so it might be tricky to navigate the existence of any synth characters post-Institute||

[obtuse siren]

That would be a stretch you are talking an entire continent between them.

[lofty prairie]

Maybe something close to it perhaps

[tardy shoal]

yeah but they're synthetic, and they have a teleporter!

[obtuse siren]

The range of said teleportation seems limited and requires anchors

[slow dragon]

it’s also been 12 entire years

like. they could just walk. if they really wanted

[lofty prairie]

The show is set 12 years after F4?

[tardy shoal]

quick someone post the timeline

[foggy fulcrum]

9 years

[slow dragon]

11 since the start

[lofty prairie]

Ah I missed that, I sort of guessed 10 or 20 years

[tardy shoal]

Fallout events timeline
||* Bombs drop - 2077

• Fallout 76 - 2102
• Fallout 1 – 2161
• Fallout Tactics - 2197
• Fallout 2 – 2241
• Fallout 3 – 2277
• Fallout: New Vegas – 2281
• Fallout 4 – 2287
• Fallout TV show – 2296||

[slow dragon]

oh heck no i just can’t read never mind

[lofty prairie]

Remember when the ||BOS scribe is announcing the knights orders to hunt down Wilzig, he mentions that they received it from the commonwealth.||

[slow dragon]

and that was all the f4 fanservice for the entire show lol

[lofty prairie]

|| I think the brotherhood made the commonwealth their new main base/capital ||

[tardy shoal]

more than that!!! IIRC Cooper says ||"bounty came down from all 6 agencies", what are they??||

[lofty prairie]

|| I hope one of them is Ceasars legion||

[slow dragon]

||reasonably we can assume those represent any 6 entities capable of issuing bounties, so probably dedicated bounty hunter guilds and/or local governments/militias. i don’t think their identities actually matter that much. but this is also an assumption so who can say||

[obtuse siren]

||We know one of them was the NCR. No mention of powder gangers, but you can probably bet a few others were involved. That being said Commonwealth is kind of a broad term, since Commonwealth can refer to each territorial area of the US. Like the eastern Commonwealth, Midwest Commonwealth, etc. Since Fallout US wasn't divided by states but by commonwealths.||

[lofty prairie]

||Does anyone else think it would be cool if Caesar's legion shows up ||

[tardy shoal]

Absolutely

[obtuse siren]

||It is unlikely. Caesar's legion was being held together by only his personality. Caesar was dying in Fallout New Vegas, even if you did not kill him yourself he would likely have died soon after the events. At best you would see remnants of the legion but they are likely not even a shell more of just a few scragglers that call themselves legion.||

[slow dragon]

i feel like not enough attention has been called to ||that little conclave* of executives in e8. like that scene alone implies those companies did band together to weather the apocalypse in some way because all of their vault experiment suggestions exist in the games lore. which implies they’re all still out there deliberately manipulating things (presumably).||

and i mean. hello ||mr. house||

[lofty prairie]

Not gonna lie half of my brain was like "that makes perfect sense" and the other was not expecting it

[slow dragon]

it’s one of those things that makes for perfect headcanon but no one expected them to come out and say it

[obtuse siren]

||We talked about it a lot yesterday. Robert House actor was a dead ringer and E8 basically explained not only who started the Great War, but also explained the true purpose of the vaults, answering two big questions which was Vault Tec and the vaults Have no purpose other than a bet to see whose guinea pigs last the longest.||

[lofty prairie]

My theory || is that they detonated just enough nukes around America to force the government to launch theirs believing the communists striked first ||

[slow dragon]

to be completely fair ||it implied who started the war but that was a hypothetical at the time of the discussion. we still don’t know who fired first and how much influence vault-tec had over that. but realistically of course vault-tec orchestrated the apocalypse in some way||

[obtuse siren]

||We know they did New York is implied to have been struck first the bomb in Megaton has a Vault Tec logo cause we know the capital was hit soon after New York by the news announcement in Fallout 4.||

[tardy shoal]

do they have ||silos outside of the US? I know for a while a lot of people say China launched first, up until recently I started seeing people saying that it was Vault Tec. Some said there's a VT icon on the bomb too but I havent seen it.||

[obtuse siren]

||We have more than enough evidence it was Vault Tec, because the bomb in Megaton has a vault tec logo.||

[slow dragon]

yes we are saying the same thing

[tardy shoal]

is it a VT logo? isn't it slightly different or something?

[lofty prairie]

Then again vault tec was always messed, I just didn't expect to be that messed up

[weak rivet]

Honestly what I enjoy about the show the most is seeing how fleshed out the world really is. Motivations and such that you don't have to randomly run across in a computer you had to level up hacking skills to get in to.

[obtuse siren]

Not by much, and do you tink Vault Tec would let anyone have a logo even closely resembling their's? On top of that they were a government contractor as well and given the proliferation of nuclear tech, never mind all the bombs that struck the US were ground strikes, instead of high altitude, this would imply they were set off at ground level. I think all the US strikes were done by vault tec, with a smidge from China after the retalliatory strike from the US and rest of the world.

[slow dragon]

my question about that scene ||was less about what it means for the actual end of the world and the vaults and moreso what it implies about the rest of the world and the events that have transpired since. if those entities are still out there with an explicitly stated goal of keeping the world savage and unlivable so they can one day emerge and own everything above ground, it begs questions regarding how much of a role they played in the events of the games. it begs questions of how much of humanity’s inability to progress can directly be attributed to their meddling.||

[obtuse siren]

||The global effect would be staggering since the bombs detonated means the US would have automatically engaged a retalliatory strike thanks to the MAD doctrine (Mutually Assured Destruction) and China would have retaliated which would have forced other nuclear allies of both to retaliate. Essentially global armageddon. Australia would probably be alright though.||

[slow dragon]

you’re probably right and that’s still a completely different discussion lol

[obtuse siren]

But in the context of Fallout, it is about the US and the McArthism of the US doctrine and of course capitalistic strangling of the country as a whole so most we will hear about other nations will likely be blurbs.

[slow dragon]

???? i’m not talking about the bombs falling at all i’m talking about everything that’s happened domestically in the US since then

[obtuse siren]

I mean the tagline is War never changes, and for every step in progress made in Fallout each game since shows they take 5 steps back. ||NCR tried to recreate the US but has fallen, for instance.|| In the Capital Wasteland they brought online a water purification system, but in Fallout 4 it becomes clear that system did not work out since things are still trash and the Capital Wasteland would be apart of the Eastern Commonwealth.

[slow dragon]

we are having two completely separate discussions. never mind dude lmao

[vital shoal]

I just finished binge-watching all eight episodes. I thought it was terrific.

[tardy shoal]

it IS terrific!!!

what were we talking about? synths?

[slow dragon]

i kinda hope s2 introduces a new faction

[hasty stone]

https://tenor.com/view/tumtum-mikvr-froge-stick-beating-gif-18299903

[obtuse siren]

I mean we got a new faction in Season 1

[lofty prairie]

That would be cool

[foggy fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-boss-blitzo-vivziepop-hi-hello-gif-16709803

[tardy shoal]

pls no more new lore, ||Cold Fusion|| is enough for right now I want more backstory for old lore lol

[slow dragon]

the series has been limping along by retreading the exact same ground for a Very long time

[obtuse siren]

I wouldn't call it limping. Seems to be doing quite well and it would be those big groups that control things. We already got the ||govmint|| as a new faction, and likely to see something else in season 2 since ||New Vegas|| is going to be where it kicks off.

[slow dragon]

narratively limping. series is strong. story kinda dry

the institute was a welcomed addition but i’d be shocked if they aren’t completely destroyed in BGS’ canon, especially since ||a BoS presence in the commonwealth is confirmed in the show a decade later (assuming it’s the same one from 4 which it. probably is.)||

[obtuse siren]

I mean sure they could introduce a new faction, but then you run into just basically putting a new face on what already exists doing the same thing. I would like to see some of the intra faction politics.

[slow dragon]

i mean. if the writing is bad then yeah

[obtuse siren]

Even if the writing was good. In the end the Institute in FO4 was just the Enclave with a different skin. Since hte Enclave dabbled in all fields of research too.

[slow dragon]

you said good writing and then in the same sentence said “the institute is a reskinned enclave”

[obtuse siren]

Yes, because I was addressing your view of the Instittue being fresh.

[slow dragon]

it was a welcomed addition. it was executed kinda poorly (based on the info we currently have)

[stiff grove]

Finished the fallout show and it is superb. I haven't played a fallout game yet though. Which one should i jump in at? FO3...FO4 or New Vegas?

[obtuse siren]

Yes, Fallout 4 had a lot of cut corners you can tell through the narrative and game structure, a lot of ideas are on the cutting room floor and would love to see the full game notes to know what was cut.

[tepid stirrup]

4 is the one I started on many years ago and it’s pretty easy to start without knowing a lot of the lore.

[slow dragon]

4 is the most enjoyable if you go into it without the context of other games

[red forge]

4 was the first I've played.

[obtuse siren]

Fallout 4 also has the best game play of them all, it's really hard to play Fallout 3 (ignoring it tens to crash a lot on modern hardware) and Fallout New Vegas. Best VATS in all of the Fallout games too.

I am really, really hoping the rumors of a Fallout 3 remake are true because I want to play it again

[stiff grove]

Did the show nail the story of the games?

[slow dragon]

1/2/NV are effectively prequels for the show but are also far and away the least forgiving in regards to gameplay and most dated in regards to tech

[lofty prairie]

Fallout 4 has the best power armor in my opinion

[tepid stirrup]

I had the same problem as I did with Skyrim where I joined too many factions and then played for months paralyzed by making a choice. Lmao.

[tepid stirrup]

I think so! I’ve watched it twice so far!

[obtuse siren]

The show nailed the tone, the feel, and the lore of Fallout. It's on the West Coast which is its own kettle of fish where Fallotu 3, 4, and 76 are East Coast. The East Coast brotherhood acts vastly different from West Coast, for instance.

[stiff grove]

Great! Last episode was sad, almost teared up about the mom

[lofty prairie]

Honestly it felt like the games

[obtuse siren]

A friend of mine put it best; watching the show was like playing a version of Fallout that was like GTA5 where you were swapping from character to character in the story.

[tepid stirrup]

I wanted more content so I even signed up for 76 again after not having played it since release because I got bored without NPCs. And I am finding it delightful.

[slow dragon]

76 is fun as hell i’m glad you’re enjoying it

[obtuse siren]

76 has had NPCs for a while now hehe, I am wondering if we will get the weapons Coop was using in the show that shotgun was amusing.

[stiff grove]

I just downloaded 3, 4, 76 and New Vegas but if 76 is multiplayer I'll save that one for way later

[tepid stirrup]

Shotgun is my weapon of choice because it does not require good aim 😂

[obtuse siren]

I use a Gauss Shotgun

[lofty prairie]

That's actually a good description

[obtuse siren]

LOL a free Bos toady with bag in 76 as a camp ally ok was not expecting that

[foggy fulcrum]

I agree with this to an extent, but I think they were also emulating the feel of the games, where the story thing that starts the journey is the end goal, but it’s more the journey that makes the show

Because they legit call out Fallout Players who get sidetracked by so many things and don’t do the main story first

[tardy shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/239492062867619840/1228374650795593729/image.png

[tepid stirrup]

The quote about being sidetracked took me out because it was just like me

[slow dragon]

i’m talking in regards to the series as whole. we keep getting brotherhood and mutants and enclave and vault-tec every game with only minor difference between each appearance and little appreciable development that also happens almost entirely offscreen. do i get it? yes obviously it’s because those things are supremely “fallout” in nature. they are ubiquitous because they are what defines the series for many. but it’s dry

[tepid stirrup]

I mean innovation is pretty hard at the end of the world. Most people are focused on like… not dying.

[slow dragon]

that does not shield the writing from criticism

i love the series and the show was fantastic. i have no complaints about how it represented the franchise. my point is that i hope they take the super solid foundation of s1 and use it to be a bit more daring in s2

[foggy fulcrum]

I mean ultimately I think Season 2 is gearing up to probably be more story heavy.

[dark temple]

Ok, censoring:
“The f#%! the vaults” attitude you see in Episode 2… makes a lot of sense. It feels like something a player character should experience, but the closest I can think of is an offhand comment by Danse in Fallout 4. Can anyone think of any other examples from the game?

[red forge]

Pretty sure 76 presents that attitude a bit.

Aaand just finished episode 8.

[weak rivet]

General attitude from surface dwellers towards vault dwellers really.

[tepid stirrup]

Starting my 3rd watch because I have no life 🙃

[quaint fjord]

Plz help me this show has me addicted to old fallout music

[red forge]

I can't get enough of the opening scene.

[minor lark]

They need to get a S1 Blu-ray or something out. Need behind the scenes stuff and extras.

[tardy shoal]

I fail to see the problem

[quaint fjord]

No problem

It’s all rainbows and sunshine in URAAAANIUM FEEEVER 🤣

[tepid stirrup]

I just realized in the beginning of ep 1 ||they all miss the bomb flash because the dad is inside taking pictures with the camera flash. ||

[tardy shoal]

Why are the ||squire bags so BIG ||

[tepid stirrup]

Comedy!

[round wren]

They had to fit [You are over encumbered] in somehow!

[red forge]

Also given ||Power armour has storage in game, that cannot be accurately portrayed in the same way in the show||

[round wren]

Um, no it doesn't. || I'm always more encumbered with it on - never did get why you can't carry more in a powered suit...||

[red forge]

Did you never apply +weight mods on the parts?

[tardy shoal]

depends on your loadout... in 76 all my heavy ammo has reduced carry weight while in PA, for instance. One could also have mass legendary modifiers on their PA.

[red forge]

Aside from SPECIAL perks, power armour has in-game mods that grant extra storage capacity via +weight mods.

[tardy shoal]

can depend on the set too. Full set of Excavator gives like +150 carry weight IIRC

[dreamy owl]

Finally finished the entire season, idk bout yall but I loved it.

Only thing I wish we saw more of was the creatures like deathclaws, more feral ghouls etc. Besides little hints or short scenes.

I hope we'll get a season 2 though!

[tardy shoal]

me too! I'm glad we got ||yao guai and a gulper|| but 100%

season 2 isnt confirmed but word on the street is that its production is moving from NY to CA.

[dreamy owl]

That's awesome, hope it's true. I think Amazon/Bethesda did a great job making a game series into a TV show. And with how they ended off this season, they could make this a pretty long series as long as they keep up with the quality and great story telling.

We could even see a completely new story lines in different locations.

[minor lark]

It would be really cool to follow random other wastelanders in future seasons. Use it as a way to finally show us more of what the other parts of the New American Wasteland is up to.

[dreamy owl]

I agree, I feel that with how this season ended at least the 2nd season (if they do one) should wrap up that story and then if that one goes well we move onto another wastelander or someone in another big faction we've seen in the games.

I also love all the pre-war scenes wish we could get a mini-series of the great war.

[teal dune]

Yeah for me the pre-war was the best handled part

But simply turning the west coast into the east coast with sand was annoying af

[covert flax]

Only watched the first couple episodes but Fallout is ideal to make a series on because you can literally pull a character from anywhere there's no specific person you have to follow and get right like for example Halo or Witcher

[jovial stone]

question does Cooper Howard use a shotgun revolver

[tepid stirrup]

The snake oil salesman ||was actually telling the truth in Filly when he said he could make a serum to regrow a foot and that’s hilarious to me ||

[lusty ruin]

kind of

[solid aspen]

It's a MTs255 cut down and retro-fitted to be a 50 cal revolver. Since 12 gauge is 50 cal, and then made it a top-break, it's very goofy, but it does fit the game, to be fair.

[round wren]

Yes.. but I could probably tweak my Perk loadouts in 76, if I used PA more.

[fickle pond]

loved season 1 ||wild that they revealed who started the bombing||

[round wren]

I've just finished watching (plus the two bonus Vault-Tec cartoons, genius!)

So I'm really hoping that they've already started writing Season 2! || Deathclaw skull, great! I've never played FoNV but I'm co-writing a fanfic with a friend between his NV OC and my Fo4 Sole Survivor, so I've learned a bit about it). ||

[round wren]

Well... || they revealed Vault-Tec's intentions but someone else could still have got there first. I'm surprised we didn't get a hint about the Zetans... I think they were in cahoots with VT||

[fickle pond]

||true could still be anyone else. The thing at the enclave base kinda looked like a zetan tho it could have been just supermutants. Pretty sure 76 does confirm that they had bodies of them||

[true badge]

Wholeheartedly agree! I mentioned yesterday somewhere on the discord that if they do this right, it has the potential to keep the show running for a long time. A refresh of character/story, perhaps sometimes crossovers even, every 3 seasons say (as they are only 8 eps long), and they could happily provide us a lot of very enjoyable TV. I’ve only watched the first couple episodes too, but this definitely feels like fallout, I do kinda wish they’d gone full slog and made it 18 rated, but I think they’ve managed to inject the right amount of darkness into the show at a 15 rating. Some fantastic LOL moments, although I felt ||the power armour stuff in the shanty town was a little overdone, but the Yao Guai sequence was just perfect!||

[fickle pond]

With how the Yao guai treated power armor, I cant wait to see what a deathclaw does. Deathclaws just gonna slash right through

[true badge]

I am so loving the fact they’ve put so many of the items/gear/etc in to the show that fallout game fans will know and love, but providing some context either via visuals or script for non fallout peeps who watch the show to latch on. Given Fallout isnt just a story narrative, but a life choice narrative generally, its harder to get the audience to understand as quickly as with a movie that is just devoted to story narrative, but I think they’ve done an excellent job as far as the first two episodes are concerned, I cant wait to watch the next two tomorrow 😄

[fallen kiln]

Now make a Fallout movie please

[round wren]

Honestly, I enjoyed the 8hr+ movie that was Series 1! As much as I love films, I think the choice to make this into a TV series rather than a film was the right one.

[foggy fulcrum]

Streaming is the best route to go

[rotund dove]

man, how do you contact tim cain? you can really see that with the direction of "capitalism... BAD!" the show took, it really leads up to the Outer Worlds in theme

[foggy fulcrum]

Tim cain actually loved the show

[tardy shoal]

I know S2 isn’t announced but they have pretty clear cliff hanger, the show is incredibly well received (from what I’ve read) and Joy+Nolan are kinda known for multi season shows.

So now, much like the Vault Tec philosophy, the question is one of time.

[true badge]

Mmm, i disagree with this as a wholesale comment, I think some things work very nicely in TV format, but other subjects definitely benefit from a movie premise. Even when streaming companies make ‘films’ they are made to support the premise of the majority watching on standard size TV’s (currently 43in on average) with no more than a standard soundbar if anything more than the TV speaker. Whereas films made for the cinema are given a far greater treatment, especially those of a blockbuster nature, that exemplifies the prospect of a screen size greater than enough to ensure eye motion, rather than binocular vision, and audio that equates to physical impact as well as aural. I’m a home cinema nut (namely as sitting in a cinema isn’t comfortable for me due to medical reasons, and have spent a lot of money on some nice gear to enjoy home viewings as much as possible, but I can definitely tell the difference between streaming movies and cinema release movies.

[foggy fulcrum]

I’m more saying when telling a story over a longer period

[true badge]

That’s not streaming, thats just TV format. However, I dont disagree from that premise, sometimes, the extended format of TV does help with some subject matter. For example, Lost definitely benefitted from being a TV show, not a series of films, which was a concept floated originally for the show. And based on the first few episodes, I consider Fallout definitely benefits from a series over a film, although thats partly to do with the fact it requires a greater introduction and explanatory narrative than a film typically offers.

[tardy shoal]

if you "download" it using the Prime Video app, can you get true 4k60?

[foggy fulcrum]

Whatever it’s called then lol

[tardy shoal]

it's oddly cut though - sometimes it will be 21:9 letterboxed into 16:9, like the first episode, most of the time it's full 21:9.

Regardless, it doesn't seem like they are using all the pixels on my 21:9. I'm considering installing the Prime Video app and downloading some episodes because they don't actually tell you what resolution you're streaming in, and I doubt it's 4k60.

How did ||32's Overseer die? Murder or suicide? They're wrapped in extension cords ig, and there's a bunch of Wonder Glue bottles on the desk, but Idk what those are supposed to add up to||

[lofty prairie]

||Im certain its murder. Vault 32 got raided by the raiders in episode 1, so im assuming they killed him during the vault 32 raid.||
@tardy shoal

[tardy shoal]

||the dwellers of Vault 32 were dead at least 2 years prior to the events of the show||

[marble yoke]

||this is what I didn’t understand as well. Also who cleaned everything in 32? 33’s residents but without Norm and Chet?||

[tardy shoal]

I believe that ||Betty cleaned it with some other people in 33 who are in on it... I think others like Stephanie actually know what's going on||

[marble yoke]

||Betty tells Norm that his mother was buried with her pip boy. They bury people? That’s not great in the vault which has limited space. Besides In the first episode they show us that the bodies were heading to the compost||

[marble yoke]

||yeah, Stephanie Harper’s name is in V31. She’s pre war||

[tough swan]

||Did Wilzig (the Enclave defector) wear a Pip-Boy at his lab base? I don't recall any Enclave people in the games wearing them||

[tardy shoal]

||yep she says she and Hank buried her together IIRC. Regardless it implies that they for sure have been outside the vault. But we know that, because Rose left on her own and Hank tried to bring her back, and when she refused, he nuked Shady Sands.||

[tardy shoal]

yeah he did... they all were actually... weird

[sharp kite]

So... is it canon now that all ghouls need a drug in order to not devolve into a mindless zombie?

[hushed prawn]

I joined to put one suggestion out into the world. A song for the show. The Chemical Worker's Song: https://open.spotify.com/track/2WpsIjaAYHx7iwQIHj0qxe?si=GJkY90Q7Tbaef8mN1J5z9Q
And the version I'm infatuated with: https://open.spotify.com/track/38tEY3pz3oC77nwCXv6x8d?si=Y8s7ILYcR-S40wVaQoN02w

[kindred glacier]

What does that have to do with fallout though? It doesn't fit thematically at all

[bronze jay]

I’m ngl. I’m rly glad they set the show up for a second season

Also the lore goes crazy 🔥😭

[tardy shoal]

I was today years old when I realized ||the ritual in Vault 4 is honoring Maldover||

🤯

[kindred glacier]

Did you only watch that episode today or are you just really inattentive

[bronze jay]

I mean they were all from shady sands

[whole coral]

T_T we don't talk about shady sands

[tardy shoal]

it was like 3 am when I watched it last so inattentive is accurate

[bronze jay]

That’s a thing ?

[tardy shoal]

nah

[whole coral]

God I hope not, I just hope i was the only one upset

[bronze jay]

Nah ur not the only one. Does show how evil vault tec is tho

[whole coral]

True, It was nuts. But I can picture our government and Corperations pulling this on us. I wonder if they know that their Currency is no longer Prewar money and most of us use it to wipe our donkeys with it.

[bronze jay]

Totally. That ending had me thrown tho

[whole coral]

How do I hide spoilers?

[whole coral]

I agree, I hope to see what happened after The Game. 🙂 Is House alive, is there a golf club in his head to show that we did it that way or is there a New Vegas Strip at all after we finished the game 😄

[bronze jay]

New vegas is an interesting development fr

[whole coral]

[there is an ingame achievement/challenge in Gun Runners DLC to use the 8 Iron on House]

[whole coral]

Bethesda really went out on this. I bet if they did Elder Scrolls, it would be done with the same effort as this show. And would make people say it was better than WoW.

[bronze jay]

I think elder scrolls is too close to lord of the rings and game of thrones and stuff tho. Fallout is like entirely unique

[whole coral]

True, but None of the games involved us Throwing a Ring into a volcano or killing off Sean Bean. The Elder Scrolls is an entire different world from Middle Earth with its own lore and Game of Thrones is just the bible rewritten on a viagra trip.

[tardy shoal]

use two line splits
||your spoiler||

[bronze jay]

Yh ig that’s true. It’s got more of a moral kinda philosophical thing behind it

[tardy shoal]

or highlight the text and click the eye

[whole coral]

I honestly can't call GoT a masterpiece or compare it to Tolkien's Work since it was never met for children. LoTR, can be read straight through and understood. GoT...feels like the writer was one keying the whole thing on a typewriter. ( I hope thats not the case).

[sour stag]

Are we worried about spoilers at all in this chat or is it all go?

[bronze jay]

Oh no, It wasn’t but ppl watched it so yk

[whole coral]

I ain't taking chances. We got all kinds of viewers, we got ones that watch 1 every week because of life, and we have those who can watch it through like a movie. So I am giving it 3 months before I even talk about spoilers

[tardy shoal]

they were required yesterday and it's polite to use them but idk if it's law necessarily

there's no pins about it or anything sooo

[bronze jay]

Yh idk way non fallout fans r making of it

I noticed loads of stuff going through but others probably wouldn’t

[sour stag]

I'll be polite its not really a spoiled just disappointed that no reference or acknowledgment of new vegas or ceasers legion is made

[tardy shoal]

isn't that ||NV in the last frame of the last episode||

[whole coral]

Did you notice any Super Mutants, Nightkins or Centaurs? Because I didn't but that is like Bethesda, making us see more while we explore. This is pretty much them saying Welcome to Level 1-10, here comes 11-20, good luck 😄

[bronze jay]

It is

[sour stag]

I'm watching last episode now. I hope youre right if so but would love to see ceassrs legion officially acknowledged and maybe have NV officaly made candid.

[bronze jay]

there were two guys in NCR ranger suits 🤷

Defo not theirs but yk

[tardy shoal]

dw NV is officially canon, but it's not hugely relevant to the show

[slow dragon]

new vegas has always been canon i’m so tired man

[whole coral]

||yes it is, and why the power is out I don't know, something happened after the courier, because if it was House running the place it wouldn't be lit after the cold fusion generator started it would have been lit throughout||

[sour stag]

True remnants but ncr existed in one and 2 before 3 or vegas as well so we know they're canon

[bronze jay]

Fair enough

[sour stag]

Oh I was told otherwise. Serves me.right for taking people at their word that's great. Already excited for another season.

[tardy shoal]

people were crying that NV isnt canon anymore because they misread ||the chalkboard||

[sharp kite]

Did Bethesda ever really consider it canon since they didn't write it themselves?

[whole coral]

yes

[minor lark]

Yes. Emil has repeatedly been asked and he says again and again it's always been canon

[sour stag]

Well this made my day already glad I came. I was admiring the make up and costumes when i realized ive never seen a goul unit in games. Thought it'd be cool to see either in the show or game a Goul regiment in the NCR or BOS used for specialized missions like in the glowing sea.

[tardy shoal]

timeline
#fallout-tv-series message

[sharp kite]

Weird, I thought they could remaster or remake it because of licensing or something

[minor lark]

They can do whatever they'd like. They own the ip.

That came out meaner than I meant it. More matter of fact I guess I meant.

[sharp kite]

I'm not sure why new vegas gets more love than 3. The color palette was bland, the music was bad... it just didn't feel the same as 3 at all

[whole coral]

Fallout Veterans are more familiar with New Vegas because of 1 and 2

[minor lark]

I started playing when I was 8 with Fo1. But I enjoy all of the series. With the exception of Tactics.

[whole coral]

Yeah that kind of Turn base game only works if you play Chess for a living

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-not-that-theres-anything-wrong-with-that-gif-10732604

[sour stag]

New vegas was alot more bland coloring but the main story, side quests and characters where so well writen I loved it I wouldn't say anymore or less than 3 or 4 they just kinda flowed together smoothly.

[whole coral]

anyone else want to play as a Ghoul after watching the series?

[minor lark]

I've wanted to play as a glowing one since meeting Jason Bright.

[whole coral]

You will never need your Pipboy Light and everybody you sleep with comes with its own sandman perk lol

[minor lark]

And the Children of Atom would worship me lol.

[keen frigate]

Changed my Bethesda username for it lol

[whole coral]

Did anyone else noticed the ||Mysterious Strangers|| leaving the parking lot ||Pre-War Cooper was adjusting his bug piece in his ear||

[whole coral]

march of the valkryies intensifies

[tardy shoal]

Idts, but I saw ||three guys in matching grey suits and pip boys when he gets out of the car||

[whole coral]

||Yeah the silver shrouded guys lmao|| I guess i read too much into that

[tardy shoal]

Enclave!!! lore breach!!! etc

[whole coral]

I remembered when my dad would dress up like that guy in that helicopter show with Simon. He would wear the exact clothes and glasses. I think its just that, three gray suited folks who idolize a character.

[harsh hatch]

okie dokie

[whole coral]

Or when everyone in the 70s wanted to be Farrah Facet

[weak rivet]

Anyone notice Coops accent?

[molten ridge]

Why are there people who think that New Vegas is not canon?

[tardy shoal]

they saw ||"fall of NCR" on the chalkboard and equated that to the bombing of Shady Sands||

[molten ridge]

chronological errors exist

[tardy shoal]

dont make me tap the timeline

[viscid sun]

i finished the fallout show, and id argue that this is genuinely one of the best entries in the series, the story was genuinely amazing, and bethesda did really good at adding onto the story of the west coast in fallout IMO

[hallow topaz]

I’m losing my mind over this show omg

Also ya idk why people are mad when everyone’s said everything’s still canon

It seems like they’re gonna add more lore and that is what we want

[plush quest]

||how did Moledaver survive the 200 years?||

[digital copper]

that's kinda why people are mad lmao. the show makes two major decisions about the lore and overall future direction of the series that people really don't like and wish were not canon to the games 😂

[autumn panther]

Where do I stream this show!

[foggy fulcrum]

At the same time tho, Tim Cain recently came out and spoke something that says volumes

[hallow topaz]

It’s impossible for all of the NV endings to be canon at once though

[foggy fulcrum]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/original-fallout-lead-tim-cain-loves-the-new-show-but-remains-baffled-by-how-destructive-fans-can-act-toward-people-who-are-trying-to-create-things/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

[hallow topaz]

so either they write it in a way that doesn’t require there to be a specific ending,,,, or they write in an alternate ending. And only time will tell what they do. The timing could just be an error too

[digital copper]

I mean, this is his impressions of the first two episodes, which I myself have repeatedly said that I liked and enjoyed lol. Liked the first 4 episodes really, it only started to sour for me once they started ||establishing new lore about Shady Sands||

[foggy fulcrum]

That still doesn’t change what the point of the article is making

On a more sour note, Cain took time to address the way fans of the series can behave poorly online, particularly regarding any perceived rivalry between Fallout entries developed by Bethesda (3, 4, and 76), and those from Interplay, Black Isle, and Obsidian (1, 2, and New Vegas). Cain spoke positively of Todd Howard, and said that "Some of the stuff you [series fans] say online is so off."

[digital copper]

The point the article is making is not to be hateful and rude, which I agree with and have been trying to follow. But a lot of people seem to be taking it as fuel for the stance of "all negativity and critique of the show is toxic whining." Toxic positivity and hostility to people disliking something is just as bad as being needlessly negative

[foggy fulcrum]

Uh huh

[digital copper]

Can't tell if that "uh huh" is sarcastic or not.

[foggy fulcrum]

Critique of the show isn’t so much the issue as much as certain fans immediately getting upset at the idea the franchise isn’t going the direction they want.

Which is ultimately what’s gonna happen with anything new that comes out for Fallout

[digital copper]

Yeah, and here's the thing -- I think that the idea that you aren't allowed to be upset with the current direction of the franchise is just as much toxic gatekeeping as bashing anyone who likes the current direction of the franchise

You are perfectly allowed to be upset about the thing you like going in a direction you're not a fan of, and to voice that opinion in the hopes that it inspires the people in charge to go in a new direction you like more, or to undo changes that you're not a fan of. That's okay. Treating your opinion and feelings on it as absolute isn't -- in both directions.

[foggy fulcrum]

Regardless, it’s why I learned in time that what someone says vs another doesn’t matter at times.

[foggy fulcrum]

And I say this as someone who believes that the fate of NV and where it ended up was always gonna be a point of contention among those fans in particular. Whether it was Bethesda or Obsidian.

Where at one point, you should just do what you believe is best rather than trying to cater to one specific audience.

[whole nacelle]

When in the timeline does the Prime show take place?

[foggy fulcrum]

2296, 9 Years after Fallout 4

[runic drift]

Just watched the whole season, was pretty good and can't wait for the next season. Any thoughts on when the next season coming?

[foggy fulcrum]

Likely in Two Years as people say.

Idk if the Boys is similar where seasons take 2 years to come out

[runic drift]

I mean that's good, because we want them to take there time and make it good.

[runic drift]

I'd say next year maybe, I did see some easter eggs.

[sinful glacier]

can anyone explain the possible lore discrepency in which shady sands ||gets nukeed in 2277||? Im confused as new vegas mentions people living there in 2281

other than that the show was amazing, solid 8.5-9/10

[foggy fulcrum]

||The idea is either 1, the people on the show made a mistake, or 2, the idea is that it’s more of “This is the beginning of the Fall of Shady Sand’s… and in time at an unspecified point later… likely after NV, Shady Sands is Nuked.”||

[sinful glacier]

||but the board explicitly shows a mushroom cloud with 2277 under it, i cant see how it can be interpreted as 2277 being shady sands slowly falling||

If they wanted to communicate a ||slow decay they wouldve used another image||

[foggy fulcrum]

Yeah that’s the part where people are constantly debating on, mistake or not a mistake, as in ||they intentionally didn’t put a Date under the Nuke so they can maybe decide what years post NV to have it occur, all I know is that it has to be after NV for sure because Shady Sands is still the capital.||

[sinful glacier]

Maybe an oversight I guess?

Also is the observatory really the ||last bastion of the NCR||?

Im guessing after the events of FNV the ||NCR experienced a slow by greuling decline in which their government structure broke down completely and are reduced to a few scattered remnants across california||

[foggy fulcrum]

||There was a lot of things brought up in NV that led to the belief the NCR could possibly collapse if they kept expanding to quickly among other things.||

[sinful glacier]

anyways I really loved how they depicted the BoS and ||NCR|| in the fallout show

The BoS feels like an actual techno-monastic order in the show vs the glorified military in the games and the ||NCR uses actual weapons and gear and feel like battle hardened veterans vs "trooper with a service rifle"||

[foggy fulcrum]

||They had a lot of infrastructure and so now we are waiting on learning more besides Shady Sands being nuked on what exactly happened to cause the fall.||

[foggy fulcrum]

I say that has to do more with the fact the West Coast Brotherhood is more on the religious side where as the East Coast Brotherhood modernized itself more.

Which we do learn Arthur Maxson took cues from both the West Coast Brotherhood and Lyon’s Brotherhood and made it his own, one that worked.

Same mission and goal, but they still operate differently in some ways.

[tawny sage]

||wild to think the ending of lonesome road didn't actually matter at all||

[sinful glacier]

wdym?

could be the ||courie just didnt nuke anyone||

[tawny sage]

||shady sands was already gone anyway||

[sinful glacier]

how come?

[tawny sage]

||vault 33's fault||

[sinful glacier]

||yes but we were discussing how new vegas says there were people living in shady sands in 2281 when it was supposedly nuked in 2277||

oops

[tawny sage]

||not enough to make a real difference||

||now we know the real reason the NCR wanted New Vegas though||

[sinful glacier]

||if the NCR was on the verge of collapse why would they use all of their remaining resource on invading a foreign territory vs an enemy that has higher morale and more vicious||

||not even the most stupid politician would be willing to make such a mistake||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Honestly someone asked this question, and another person stated that’s happened before in History, where they will take over another location so they could take it’s resources and such in order to sustain itself.||

[tawny sage]

||I'm saying they wanted a new Capitol to replace what was obliterated||

[foggy fulcrum]

||Except that doesn’t work because Shady Sands is mentioned by people in NV||

[tawny sage]

/spoiler ||fair, possible it was somewhat restored||

[sinful glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-nation-fire-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-14967018

[tepid stirrup]

||It was nuked sometime after 2277. Hence the line continuing and an arrow. Lucy isn’t old enough for it to have been nuked in 2277.||

[plush quest]

||2277 is the year Lucy’s mom died of supposed famine||

||or that’s what they told her||

[tepid stirrup]

Have you finished the show?

[sinful glacier]

do you want to know what really happened?

[plush quest]

||yeah i know she died to a bomb but why would they tell Lucy the “blight” happened in 2277?||

[sinful glacier]

||there was once an ugly radroach, he was so ugly that everyone in shady sands died. the end||

[plush quest]

||well she died to a gunshot wound to the head from Lucy. But they told her she died in 2277 implying that’s when Shady Sands was destroyed||

[sinful glacier]

||nah, it was the ugly radroach. can't wait to hear about what happened to the ugly brahmin next season||

[manic fox]

||listen I just want my securitron fanservice in the second season and I'll be satisfied||

[tepid stirrup]

||I’m pretty sure that’s just when she left the vault and they told the other vault dwellers she died instead of the truth. ||

[gilded star]

I'm curious to ask. When would be there 2nd season on Fallout Prime TV show?

[red forge]

No one knows yet.

[gilded star]

Oh OK, I can wait and I'm too excited for new 2nd season later.

[red forge]

Well people are punting 2 years.

[astral wadi]

||I just realized that Vault 33's water chip stopped functioning and they never mentioned it again||

[manic fox]

The earliest would probably be spring 2025

[digital copper]

Hey all, a couple days ago I pointed out here that the actual location in the world that Shady Sands occupies seems to be thoroughly retconned, admittedly likely due to some kind of major research error, and got replied to with a bunch of theories and what-ifs and "nah, you're crazy" and "cope hater lol"

So I return with extensive receipts and a map of all known NCR locations (with some extremely small headcanon additions RE: borders) to help illustrate my point. One sec to upload and copy-paste my argument :P

[foggy fulcrum]

Season 2 issue likely.

[red forge]

Well ||The maintenance guy said they have some time on the emergency rations, so it'll certainly be a season 2 thing.||

[digital copper]

??? didn't realize I used a bad word there, hang on

[whole coral]

O_o I called Vault tec... I think i am an accessory now. Or maybe I called them at a wrong time.

[slow dragon]

was it not simply moved for the sake of narrative convenience so the characters didn’t have to walk hundreds of miles for one scene and hundreds of miles back for the next

[manic fox]

||listen I'm still wrapping my head around the entire Bartholomew codsworth thing rn||

[digital copper]

????

ahh I see, I included a quote from the show that had a swear in it, my b

[red forge]

What's the first and last letters of the word you're being censored on?

[digital copper]

it's the poop word, I included a quote from the show :P

[manic fox]

Gotta love the irony of it being a series with a lot of cussing and the server bans cussing

[red forge]

Righto. I recall someone just used emotes to portray that.

[red forge]

The problem is people on the internet abuse the privilege.

[manic fox]

Yeah people kinda suck you're right

[digital copper]

Anyway no images allowed in this chat so check screenshots in a sec

1. ||Lucy walks from V33 to Filly, which is within a day or so's walking distance of the crashed Soviet satellite, where you can see LAX in the near distance||
2. ||There she is directed to follow some coordinates to Moldaver's compound at Griffith Observatory, which is "just on the other side of the big 💩hole", which the shopkeep refuses to elaborate on beyond it being really a radioactive hotspot||
3. ||She starts headed in a roughly straight line there thanks to her pip-boy's GPS. Loses the head and gets dragged off by Cooper. Maximus recovers the head and heads back to Filly? IIRC? for extraction||
4. ||She escapes Cooper in the middle of a large bombed out pre-war city and reunites with Maximus there. Clearly they're still in LA.||
5. ||They follow the tracking device in the head in a roughly straight line, again thanks to her pip-boy, encountering the ruins of Shady Sands in the process. They finally catch up to the head at the radio station in Hollywood Hills, which is "just over the hill" from Shady Sands||
6. ||You can literally see the Shady Sands crater in the near distance from Griffith Observatory in multiple shots :P||

Fallout 1 firmly established Shady Sands as being about 150 miles north of LA, built from scratch out of adobe in the desert east of Mt. Whitney by survivors from an isolated Vault. Like it or not, "necessary for the plot" or not, it's a major retcon to the series' lore 🤷‍♂️

[slow dragon]

happens

[digital copper]

I mainly made this post because a few people borderline gaslit me, unintentionally I'm sure, and like. I needed to set the record straight that this isn't me being crazy lol

[whole coral]

And it takes me only 3 minutes to reach Lexington from Vault 101. If I did that in real life, I would be exhausted just dealing with the rad roaches. X_x

[digital copper]

Vault 101 and Lexington are in two different games and Fallout 1 didn't do the space compression thing 😂

[foggy fulcrum]

It’s definitely the strangest retcon, man I wish we had a map of the TV Show locations in general.

[red forge]

I think you meant 111.

[whole coral]

111*

[digital copper]

It's not like the world is canonically smaller in Fallout just because the 3d games can't do 1:1 scale on the world maps XD

[tepid stirrup]

150 miles is only 10.7 miles a day for 14 days. So I stand by the fact that it could be walkable.

[foggy fulcrum]

Ultimately the show doesn’t go into the amount of time they walk

[digital copper]

True, but as I pointed out in my thesis there the route makes no sense that way lol

[red forge]

And then account for average walking speed of 4km per hour.

[digital copper]

She would have had to like... pass her destination and keep walking in the opposite direction of where she's heading for days despite having a GPS and exact coordinates 😂

[tepid stirrup]

Look. We saw a guy regrow part of his foot. I think we may need to suspend our disbelief a little.

[whole coral]

a lot of things could have happened since Fallout 1. just 8 years ago Hong Kong wasn't part of china. Now its part of it.

[digital copper]

Hong Kong didn't physically grow legs and move to China lol. Shady Sands appears in FO2 as the NCR capital in the same place lol

[foggy fulcrum]

I do think in some ways we do, some people are really good at analyzing tho so it’s not something to ignore either.

[whole coral]

O uO it could if it was radiated. Just skips along and nopes around Shady sands and trips over Santa monica and falls backwards on Reno lol
Goodpoint though. Thats a heck of a Terraform.

[red forge]

||Until I saw his rapid healing of the arrow holes in his neck, I thought the "cure" for his foot was a psychological illusion.||

[foggy fulcrum]

Tbf it’s hard to retain a lot of memory in regards to a show at times for me.

[foggy fulcrum]

So I wasn’t thinking of position necessarily

[whole coral]

I have trouble remembering whose father I am looking for.

[digital copper]

But yeah this + ||Sinclair's relationship to Big MT being completely changed (he was explicitly a customer/client, not the owner?)|| + ||the brotherhood airship saying "Prydwen" on the side despite Bethesda directly telling people in previews and interviews it's a different ship|| suggests to me that there were some issues behind the scenes with regards to the research and poor communication in the chain between bethesda -> showrunners -> writers -> directors -> VFX crew etc :P

That's just my opinion though. Just like it's also just my opinion that the folks involved in the show's publicity, if there were any issues or concerns like this, almost definitely would have done their best to keep them under wraps and will likely continue to do so until/unless it becomes better for their PR to address them, meaning that I won't be taking anyone's word for it when they say it was a perfect production that went fine and everyone behind the scenes was satisfied :P 🤷‍♂️

[whole coral]

||That isn't the prydwen. The name of that ship was called something else.||

[foggy fulcrum]

Regardless it’s not so bad, they already proved enough they cared making the show, a few mistakes I can live with.

[whole coral]

Even Tolkien had some flaws in his books. That is why there are so many versions up to his final book.

Still a masterpiece to this day

[digital copper]

I know that and agree! Unfortunately, ||we get multiple shots of it where you can plainly see the words "PRYDWEN" printed on the side|| :P

IMO they'll probably stealth edit the episodes with those goofs at some point with some vfx masking to cover up and replace the offending text 🤷‍♂️

[foggy fulcrum]

I think what I want people to note is there is a difference between genuine mistakes and “Not caring about lore.”

[digital copper]

Oh 100%

I don't put this on the writers "not caring about Fallout" or whatever, I put it on them not being given clear enough direction and/or not thinking to ask certain questions leading to mistaken beliefs

[red forge]

I don't think there's a franchise anywhere that hasn't retconned itself at some point or another.

[digital copper]

Yao guai were fun in FO1 and 2 weren't they? heh

[whole coral]

I think they kept it in to tell you what happened to the last ship, Remember, everything is recycled in the Wastes...even our pee...

[red forge]

76 too. I struggled with them until I got the shotgun scatter perk.

[whole coral]

Example would be me finding a Canteen from the Courier, does it mean I am the courier, or does it mean the courier is dead?

either way i am sipping it

[foggy fulcrum]

Were they in the original? I didn’t know that. I knew Floaters, Centaurs, Super Mutants, Deathclaws and Radscorpions were.

[foggy fulcrum]

Floaters I know came back in 76 after the longest time since the First Two.

[digital copper]

it was bait lmao, Captain Irrelevant fell for it

little test of how well people know the series :P 😂

[foggy fulcrum]

Curses! Foiled again!

Unfortunately I can only remember so much.

[grim dawn]

Omg i finished watching everything and it was awesome

[red forge]

Actually I sometimes forget that 76 is actually the first game in the series lore wise.

[whole coral]

lol, yeah. You drinking my blood.

Nuka Cola mybloodsinit

[foggy fulcrum]

Still one of the most hilarious options.

[keen frigate]

I don't need no scorched inoculation, the scorched plague only exists in 76

[whole coral]

did you know you can make more if you know the recipe 😄

[red forge]

Which means it worked 🤣

[foggy fulcrum]

I can’t tell whether that is legit or not.

[keen frigate]

Good, that means I don't need to drink any "My blood's in it" lol

[whole coral]

Legit how? I have it in my display

[keen frigate]

But then again, I assume canon for 76 and the scorched plague starts and ends with the scorchbeasts and since the queen is dead and the rest were hunted down, I would assume that's why the plague didn't spread out further

[foggy fulcrum]

I just don’t recall being able to make it besides the quest.

[keen frigate]

Oh no, you can make as many as you want

[red forge]

Yeah I've not yet completed the 76 story, but have read that the Queen is the end of it in that regard.

[foggy fulcrum]

The end of one story anyway

[whole coral]

I remember making it in crafting outside the quest. But I don't remember which station i got it from X_x

[keen frigate]

I'm lvl 1230 in 76, been playing for a tiny bit of time, heh

[foggy fulcrum]

What the 76’ers still do after is still being fleshed out.

[red forge]

I'm level 80'ish.

[digital copper]

the one thing I'll say further on why I don't like this: NCR, like... had a major city in LA, canonically, that they could have used instead. New Adytum, capital of the state of Los Angeles. Would have been visible from Griffith Observatory, theoretically along the path Lucy takes, and would have been ||just as much of a punch in the gut to nuke since helping them free themselves from a tyrannical warlord was a major sidequest in Fallout 1 that a lot of people remember fondly, and it would have been just as good of a signal of the NCR being in bad shape||. It's sincerely weird they didn't use that instead. In fact as of this moment that's my new "I reject your reality" headcanon lol :P

[whole coral]

okay what you need is a chem station

A blood pack, Corn, Glass, Mutfruit and Purified water.

[keen frigate]

That's all it takes to make a cure for a serious plague. Fascinating

[whole coral]

You would think it would ask for your first unborn son, but nope, its corn 😄

[keen frigate]

You're thinking of fallout 4 lol

[whole coral]

nope

[hexed helm]

I think it was bold how they handled ncr and enclave. I was expecting them to lazily say the opposite but this was way better. I'm glad about a certain dog and scientist was handled. And Love how a conflict from 2 factions were very morally grey but the conflict felt really good. Like that feeling in new vegas when you meet Ulysses or assault hoover damn

[whole coral]

O UO I did unspeakable things at hooverdam

[keen frigate]

I'm just glad that it had ||NCR veteran ranger armor, was waiting to see that because there was no way it couldn't be in it||

[hexed helm]

They had all NCR armors in the the show, very proud it was not retconned and its very interesting how easily they became a "govermint"

This adaptation was done very well imo

[keen frigate]

||I know, but it waited until the last two episodes to show them all which I was alright with||

[hexed helm]

like even if I don't like the assault riffle. I largly ignored it And on the positive side was happy to see other arms from new vegas featured.

[hallow topaz]

Anyone else get chills when the fallout theme played

[keen frigate]

||The NCR must be mostly dead in this show since there aren't much of them around. And the veteran rangers, one of the most feared beings in the universe according to lore, are nowhere to be found. The armor is found on farmers which means they either one, looted it or two, gave up the NCR lifestyle when shady sands was bombed||

[digital copper]

i... actually didn't notice a single new vegas weapon lol

[hallow topaz]

Like I heard the slight version of it before Lucy turned the flag and I was like “oh is that the fallout theme” and there it was

[whole coral]

War...War never changes...its undewear.

[digital copper]

oh, wait, the BAR from dead money I guess shows up once

[keen frigate]

Yeah, the memories of starting up fallout 4 came back to me

[hallow topaz]

The war never changes line too was great

[molten oracle]

the 10mm the brotherhood uses is the classic style, which i think is in new vegas

[digital copper]

it isn't in NV lol. but i did like that throwback!

[hexed helm]

i recomend a rewatch

[hallow topaz]

The only change I wish they did was instead of ||the ink spots being used in the final scene they should’ve used a frank Sinatra song and then had the NV reveal||

[whole coral]

Crusader Pistol (Speculation)

[hallow topaz]

And then have that song play during the credits

[keen frigate]

Nope. The classic 10mm pistol is only in fallout 1, 2, and 4 (creation club)

[molten oracle]

this is what a man gets for playing too much fallout 2

my brain is mush

[digital copper]

uh... no lol, this one: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/9/90/Classic_10mm_pistol.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20210320142958

[hexed helm]

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 (and technically) and new vegas had rl firearms in them along with cool pieces like this ^

[whole coral]

DANG! That is some stuff! Looks like If I aimed that at someone I better say something like, "Dead or Alive, you're coming with me."

[molten oracle]

it was interesting seing some name brand gun placed next to the most peculiar looking firearms

[digital copper]

or you could just tell me, because unless you're mistaking ma june's Mini-14 for a Garand I can't recall any specifically NV weapons lol. Plenty of IRL weapons but nothing that stood out to me as being an NCR reference

[keen frigate]

The ranger sequoia in fnv is what gives me that type of feeling

[hexed helm]

see your already recalled another 1 just give another rewatch its a good show, they become more prevalent towards the end of the show.

[tiny saddle]

||What is everyone’s theory on the shadow figure during the Vault-Tec meeting?||

[digital copper]

I... there isn't any garand in the show that I can recall. And the Colt 10mm isn't in New Vegas like I said lol

it was a joke, dude

[keen frigate]

What about the weapon on Cooper's back?

[digital copper]

ok cool? sorry I guess?

[hexed helm]

i never said 10mm was just apreciating other weapons aside from the ones from fallout 4 are in it and pointed to new vegas 1, 2, ect

[digital copper]

changing the tune lol, but it's cool, I get what you mean lol

[hexed helm]

?

[keen frigate]

I swear that Cooper's main pistol looked like a variant of the .223 pistol found in fnv

[hexed helm]

Like I said there in the show

[whole coral]

We need this name to be a real creature

[digital copper]

Nah it's a modified and sawed off RL russian revolving shotgun; the .223 pistol looks very different

[foggy fulcrum]

Although I have heard Gun Experts say stuff about how the guns aren’t necessarily 100% Correct, not just Bethesda but even Interplay era and NV.

[molten oracle]

jobe iden

[whole coral]

Imagine how OP it would be as it charges through the wastes with a gator in one hand and a beer in the other, the only way you can see him coming from a distance is their red hat 😄

[foggy fulcrum]

But tbf unless it’s so far out there, you usually never notice, if your a Gun expert you definitely will.

[digital copper]

I mean... can you at least name one instead of making me rewatch the whole thing lol

[hexed helm]

fallout is stuck in california unless in the next season hinted at the end moves to ||new vegas were you might have nevada and other locations, maybe season 3 will be dc, I doubt we will see a fallout florida as much as I would love it.||

[keen frigate]

The weapon on Cooper's back looks almost identical to the cowboy repeater in fnv. Thoughts?

[molten oracle]

i thought it was more of the 45 from far harbor

[whole coral]

T_T I want my floridaman!

[digital copper]

Ehhh it's hard to tell the make and model but it lacks the ring sight IIRC and thus looks closer to the short-barreled lever-action from FO4 IMO, but fair enough

[molten oracle]

Tbh i dont think i saw any FNV unique weapons at all

[keen frigate]

I was thinking something like that but when I just look at them side to side, it just look like a cowboy repeater that someone's modified

[digital copper]

To be fair most lever-action rifles look very similar from a distance and we never see Cooper's up close for too long IIRC

[whole coral]

I have one in RDR2

[keen frigate]

||I was surprised when I realized that none of the bos were using gatling lasers but then again, all of the soldiers were knights or lower ranking. There were no paladins or sentinels, and the gatling lasers are normally only used by them||

[digital copper]

Honestly was surprised by no energy weapons at all

I don't think we saw a single laserbeam or plasma bolt get fired

[whole coral]

||Those are from the Enclave I believe.||

[keen frigate]

There was a plasma gun behind ma june

[digital copper]

||Nah they're pre-war and the Brotherhood uses them extensively in all their appearances||

[whole coral]

Righteous Authority

[keen frigate]

Yeah that wasn't it

[whole coral]

Would be funny it was though XD

[digital copper]

Ah, fair, didn't notice. But still lame we never see one being used lol

[molten oracle]

||episode 8 00:39:49|| I think i see a BAR, but its in the background and blurry

[whole coral]

Shoplifers will be "rightesous Authority"d

[keen frigate]

It was hidden well because it was dark but you can see its iconic look if you focus on it

[hexed helm]

Honestly Thats fair, old fallouts were turn based top down experiences and were made in the late 1990's some small arms were thought to be next gen like the g11 or the pancor jackhammer which dont really function as reliably as expected. 3X years later and we have a better idea of how industry and modern gun design went.

Honestly my biggest personal gripe is how some people have the feral like opinion that in the year 27XX they couldnt possibly have things like mounts, grips from our year 20XX because of plastic, or the other brain dead opinion it is to tactical for future warfare and they dont wanna see it because remind of cod, and then being presented with the assault rifle or a combat rifle. Or the terrible shotgun, which I get it, halo had a top feeding shotgun and it may have its issues as well but its at least believable and functional.

Also kinda hard to believe all the g3 or fal style weapons dissapeard but never the suppreme ak or homemade rifle. Things that irk me, but never to the point I be bitter, I just ignore the others.

[foggy fulcrum]

I find it really interesting this first season we saw plenty but not all of what we have seen in Fallout, Guns, Monsters, Robco Robots…

[hexed helm]

I loved that we saw a ||mr handy and those micro robo brains||

[keen frigate]

For one, it's hard to implement everything into the first season because there are thousands of hours worth of content in all the fallout games combined. And two, gotta save some for the upcoming seasons so that people can still get excited about the things they haven't seen

[whole coral]

Different Evolutionary Timeline. They used Fusion Power to power almost everything even their own cars. meaning there was less competition from rival countries. Which means most countries remained stagnate. Weapons like the FAL were made in the middle east and some weapons from Communist Russia, so owning Commie weapons was bad for an american to own.

[foggy fulcrum]

They did that intentionally to, outright stated in interviews

[keen frigate]

Well yeah, I figured that was common sense because if you show everything all at once, there won't be much to look forward to. ||But showing new vegas at the very end made me pretty hyped up since I wanna see what happened||

[hexed helm]

let me put it to you like this, I doubt the very late invention of transistor would cause weapon design to remain stagnate and decay over the course of 700 years

[whole coral]

Check the edit

[keen frigate]

Ok

[whole coral]

Pre-War lore dictates that being a commie was bad, and finding someone who is red should be dead. Even Liberty prime frowned upon Anti-American Diplomacies such as Marxism. And owning such props like a German Flag would make them bad like in todays modern era

[molten oracle]

weve been using a variant of the m16 since nam and the m2 will outlive us all

[keen frigate]

Ok

I don't

No thanks

[whole coral]

One of the Quests in F076 has you do a test in finding which resident is a communist.

[hexed helm]

I still don't believe that is justified over the course of 700 years, there are still conflicts and while I agree with you on the history of the fal the g3 is a nato equivilant that was originally in compition with the m14 I believe that in this alternate time line the g3 design won out and m14 went to the comertial market.

also events in the fallout bible show that there were many wars fought leading up to the nuclear exchange. And if we are anything like our present day arms trade is still a thing

[whole coral]

So being strongly detested it would make sense most weapons in FO would be american manufactured at best if not smuggled from canada

During Operation Anchorage

^Not sure if canon or just a Simulation

[spiral light]

Ya it's practically science-fiction

[lofty prairie]

Hey yall, do any of you guys know if there will be a season 2?

[spiral light]

Hell yea

[whole coral]

Yes. Todd ain't gonna let that Golden Goose just lay one

[molten oracle]

it comes out when fallout 5 comes out, so start a family to watch it with and plant a tree to make a treehouse

[whole coral]

I'll break you. lol

[lofty prairie]

Thats great to hear! Thanks guys!

[keen frigate]

I already can't wait for season 2. Might be 2 years, or 100, but it'll hopefully be worth it

[whole coral]

releases Legendary Floridaman 💀 onto Budayeen

[lofty prairie]

Yao Guai?

[hexed helm]

I could believe that aesthetics and fashion return and become recycled nostalgia is a real thing but ideas and technology the pace may be slowed but it has to be withen a believable tangible reason. I doubt that over the course of 700 years we have troops running around firing fallout 4 combat rifle, assault riffle, ect

[whole coral]

Isn't that supposed to be a play on words for Yogi? The chinese called it Yao Gaui because of their accents

[lofty prairie]

||Im suprised there werent any supermuntants and deathclaws in the first 8 episodes ||

[whole coral]

kinky

[spiral light]

ya it's almost like they had a different idea of the way the future would turn out

[digital copper]

I genuinely don't want to start anything or come across as hostile, but for someone who came in talking about how you're a fan and have been since the start you're coming across extremely harsh on the entire concept of the series and its overall quality. Sorry again if my attempt at humor put you in a bad mood since you seem to be kinda hung up on it based on the comments since :/

[keen frigate]

||I was thinking about that too but the super mutant absence makes sense to me since they can only be created by the FEV and it seemed like there weren't a ton of them hanging around in california||

[lofty prairie]

Oh i think it is! and budayeen, I think youre right. Just going from what I thought it was

[keen frigate]

It's spelled Yao Guai

[molten oracle]

|| im pretty sure that during the enclave escape scene a super mutant is being taken away on a stretcher, and the west tek exec brings it up in the vault tek board meeting||

[lofty prairie]

||You know, that makes sense! I hadnt thought about that, I think youre right!||

[whole coral]

All Howard has to do is get his mother in law to join and Tabatha will have her moment

[digital copper]

... yeah? And that means quality doesn't matter? I'm not trying to be hostile, really, but it's an unusual stance to me. Not even dunking on the show just... observing how you seem to be trying to defend it by trashing the writing quality of the franchise as a whole, which is odd to me?

[whole coral]

wait, is she a Nightkin or a Super Mutant, I forget

[keen frigate]

||There was (what seemed to be) a dead super mutant in the enclave place. And in the "governmint" place that Cooper was brought too, the bounty board showed a fallout 4/76-looking super mutant on there||

No thanks. We're not here for serious, we're here for a fallout tv show

[lofty prairie]

||Yeah, thats what rabbo said. Mind pointing me in what episode that was in? Im quite interested in checking that out. I hadnt caught that while watching through||

[whole coral]

O uO can we talk about how war never changes in Ukraine?

[digital copper]

Yeah, okay clearly either I or someone/something else put you in a bad mood apparently, sincerely sorry if it was me :/

[keen frigate]

Episode of what, the dead mutant?

[lofty prairie]

yeah

[molten oracle]

||e2 first quarter||

[keen frigate]

||I think it was the first because it's shown in the Enclave facility when the scientist dude and his dog are first introduced||

[lofty prairie]

Oh okay, thanks rabbo, thanks c.h.!

[keen frigate]

Well that works

[molten oracle]

|| also episode 8 before the credits the overseer walks over a deathclaw skull before looking at new vegas ||

[whole coral]

||to be fair it was a hand we don't know if it was a Super Mutant, a Nightkin, or remains of a lottery winner||

[hexed helm]

which is were we see robots nukes, plasma, lasers, ect. Classic kinetics even in the far future don't or i say shouldnt disappear or decline. Gunurgy and gunsmithing is a big american cultural influence and past time. like I said I could understand if the argument was guns were set back after the bombs fell as we see with scrap weapons and older arms. but the problem is some of those arms are claimed to be and seen to be prewar thats 200 years. you also cannotically have magazines, skill books, and even gunsmiths and factions whose job is to study retain and even reproduce these weapons.

imo having a mix of both modern design principles, weapons and their designs altered with different material like how fallout 4 handles the homeade ar or fallout new vegas handles the service rifle while leavving room for things like assault carbines, ect is beautiful and what I love about the ecosystem.

[lofty prairie]

||I did catch that, Maybe in szn 2, theyll add the deathclaw?||

[keen frigate]

||Yeah but it wasn't a fallout 3/nv deathclaw skull, it was one from fallout 4/76 lol||

[keen frigate]

||It was a big, bulky looking being, like the super mutant. And the enclave is known for taking all mutants like that and experimenting on them||

[spiral light]

|| I got all exited when they showed that dead assualtron I was hoping we'd see a live one in action, they can be pretty OP ||

[whole coral]

how did you determine that? The idea that if you manage to gets its skull its Nerfed because its from the Commonwealth lol

[keen frigate]

||If an assaultron was active in the show, it would have killed like everything lol||

[lofty prairie]

Man, I was too!!

[keen frigate]

||They just look different||

[whole coral]

|| True, but it still can be a nightkin or battered remains||

[spiral light]

ya part of comming up with your own fictional story means making some creative choices about things like that

[molten oracle]

|| I enjoyed the show but i understand why new vegasboos are angry about the show, it does seem to desecrate alot of aspects of FNV, and shows new vegas in ruins||

[whole coral]

true, remember the Centaurs that Super Mutants used to tag along with?

[keen frigate]

||I still think it's a super mutant. Also, nightkin are blue and are also super mutants||

[hexed helm]

exactly why long story short why i believe they can exist and dont isten to those who say not

[keen frigate]

Yeah, seeing one for the first time in the capital wasteland freaked me out

[spiral light]

maybe if you get a job working on the next show you can fix those things, and show like everything in one episode

[lofty prairie]

How cool would it be to see something like a Mega Mutant (just thought of the term, but its not an actual thing) and the Mega Mutant would be in a field of say super mutants. Itd be the "Boss" or King of the mutants.

[hexed helm]

you may have missed it the job already has done a wonderful job at doing this edit because you edited it, the expectation not is in one episode this is me after watching the series. I think they done a very good job better than 76 and 4 in some aspects

people in some modding/sub community circles don't believe that this should have been which is why im please it made it in the show.

[foggy fulcrum]

||Nightkin are blue||

[keen frigate]

Sounds like a behemoth

[whole coral]

we have Swan, and a Boehemoth that uses a Fire Hydrant as a Club. we don't need anymore Titans trying to kill us

[molten oracle]

|| the master tried that one didnt go well||

[lofty prairie]

Oh yeah..... Forgot about those

[keen frigate]

You've not lived until you've made 100 behemoths try and kill you lol

[spiral light]

||and they are near new vegas||

[keen frigate]

Puny human

[whole coral]

My gawd, my heart jumped when I heard that voice again at freaky Freddy's Fear House in fo76

[molten oracle]

even marcus?

[lofty prairie]

Im not a fan of them either, theyre SUPER annoying.

[digital copper]

Can I ask what you do like about fallout? Genuinely curious

[keen frigate]

That's a good question

[molten oracle]

super mutants fill in the role of an enemy that is reasonably tanky and can live in areas with alotta rads, so until bethesda can come up with something better we are stuck with them

[whole coral]

I think they are awesome, they remind me of a friend I had in high school who was...slow learning...He didn't make it past graudation but he was a great guy, Big, strong and always felt out of place. 🙂

[digital copper]

I mean, you can get that from nearly any video game, but fair enough I guess

[lofty prairie]

Yo, that actually hits hard. Im sorry hes gone