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solemn bough
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or that he needs an intact set of artifacts in order to commence the shrouding

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there's just so much here being made up from whole cloth

obsidian glade
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Theorycrafting is fun

solemn bough
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it is, but if you're just inventing facts and drawing connections that aren't really there you're doing a poor job of it. there's nothing wrong with saying "what if X is true?" there IS something wrong with saying "X is true and here's some made up info that i will claim is in the game to prove it"

storm wigeon
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Welcome to religion lol. Tons of extrapolation and drawing lines between those extrapolations

upper drum
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I think the issue derives from Mando not really speaking from a "This is my opinion" approach and more so an approach of "This is the hard facts, you're just wrong otherwise." Not giving any credence to others theories. It isn't debate it's argument, unfortunately.

Which, btw I do believe these things are said vaguely or implemented as they are to allow varied interpretation. Even if it is just for the players ability to claim their own head canon for their playthroughs. At least until Bethesda gives concrete resolution on some of these things. Which, Shattered Space may very well for this particular argument.

leaden gale
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Son. You just accused me of making stuff up on the spot and putting words in your mouth. I don't know how he comes back to our universe. I have, like, an armchair theory of how the zealots might be trying to summon him back, but returning to your universe? Idk.

I was arguing at an impasse cause I'd just woken up when this all started and then had to go to work. You guys say the soul is """the unique part""" that the unity mentions, but then casually forgot that unity also says the unique part stays, dies, and becomes part of your current universe. The unique part does not leave your universe.

I did NOT say "the fact that Varuun want the artifacts means the serpent is starborn." You keep using that word. Want. I don't think the Varuun want the artifacts at all. I think that they think the artifacts are heresy. That is standard fact, infact, given the video Zahir posted.

I think the objectively canon fact that the varuun think the artifacts are heresy is evidence that the serpent is a starborn that wants to limit who has power mostly to himself.

storm wigeon
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Isn’t that like saying you’re just another Dragonborn though? Idk.. definitely still a godlike being, I mean you literally have superpowers and can travel between dimensions

solemn bough
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as for starborn you aren't the first and you wont be the last

storm wigeon
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“Last Dragonborn” is theory crafting

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It is only implied they will be the last ever Dragonborn. And there were many before

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I don’t see almost any differences

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The Dragonborn is the Dragonborn because the gods so say, and the Starborn is the Starborn why? No idea, but the way the other starborns talk about it, they make it out like you were always destined in every universe to become Starborn, aka you are born with it

solemn bough
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anyone can become starborn by going through the unity. you dont even have to be the one who gathered the artifacts

storm wigeon
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Yes but they claim you WILL become Starborn

solemn bough
storm wigeon
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Okay fine, the Starborn vendor on her ship, she says that you WILL become Starborn and she can’t wait to see you later

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They all act like it’s destined for you to become Starborn

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Anyways it’s just lame. Another god-like main story in an otherwise serious and nice setting from Bethesda

solemn bough
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thats not destiny

storm wigeon
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It sure sounds like destiny and either way I don’t care

leaden gale
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Hunter thinks you'll be starborn because you're entirely unique in all of the universes he's visited. He even says he thinks the unity itself is using you, or something to that affect. But that's all conjecture on his part.

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The vendor can't be taken seriously because she says the same thing in every ng+, and that includes her saying she gave up the unity and just has her pleasure barge.

solemn bough
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i find that to be a tantalizing thing for the hunter to say since i do believe the unity manipulates people

quaint roost
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The only similarity Starborn and Dragonborn’s have is the “born” part of the name

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There is no genuine narrative connections between them

leaden gale
quaint roost
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It’s genuinely getting so weird, like disliking the games is fine but the sheer hostility and hatred Bethesda gets is so over the top

slate valley
# quaint roost It’s genuinely getting so weird, like disliking the games is fine but the sheer ...

Morrowind shills hate BGS because they watered down Obilvion. Oblivion shills hate BGS because they watered down Skyrim. Fallout 1 & 2 shills hate BGS because Fallout 3 was first person. Fallout 3 shills hate BGS because they watered down Fallout 4. Silent protagonist shills hate BGS because Fallout 4 had voiced protagonist. Starfield gets hate for all those insane reasons, then add in the hate because BGS made Starfield instead of ES 6.
All this above is the reason for the anti- Bethesda hate train. Some game fans are insane. Can't put it any clearer or kinder than that.
Of course this will offend.

quaint roost
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It’s all so weird for me because i like every Bethesda game I’ve played, as well as the non Bethesda fallouts

slate valley
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I'm exactly the same. I consider myself a fan, and it's because I have loved all their previous games, starting with Daggerfall. I have uncountable hours in the older games, and steam tells me 3500 hours in Skyrim, 4100 hours in Fallout 4 and so far over 800 hours in Starfield.

upper drum
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There are also people who invent hate simply because it's a Microsoft exclusive. I knew a guy personally who made a dozen or so accounts just to downvote and write negative reviews. Not because he believed what he was saying, but because it didn't release on his platform of choice. It's a crazy world out there.

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Then there is the few who don't really understand this isn't an FPS. They don't realize it's meant to be a role-playing game first, requiring investment and it just happens the avenue for combat is guns, due to the setting. 🤷‍♂️ (Or they just don't really grasp what it means to be a role-playing game. Tons sees black and white extremes for their definition of RPG too)

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Realizing this is the Lore channel... woops. Wrong place for the convo, but regardless I'll wrap up with I just wish people could appreciate a thing for what it is. Not saying it is perfect, but this isn't Fallout in space. (Sure it has similarities. Same company who has a specific style and game approach, but come on.)

solemn bough
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tbf its gotten better. if you search "starfield" on youtube you have to scroll for a few seconds now before you can find hating vids

high copper
solemn bough
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i mean we'll see. if they didn't make the explorable tile any bigger and the vehicle just makes you hit that point much sooner i can see people being unhappy.

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its ok to be critical of things, it doesnt make you a bad person and it doesnt mean you cant still enjoy the game

high copper
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the ratings have been really drastically dropping

solemn bough
high copper
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steam db also shows ratings and it has been droping faster than before

solemn bough
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yeah i guess a lot of people are unhappy with the implementation of CC content

cobalt saffron
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I'm not actually sure what the default behaviour is when hitting a tile border right now

solemn bough
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it cant actually load the next one you gotta go find a new landing location altogether

cobalt saffron
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yeah, they need to make auto-loading the next tile a thing

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I mean how do you find the next contiguous tile from space? That would be very hard to do as theres no grid on the planet showing each tile

solemn bough
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you dont

trim tendon
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Let's get back on topic please. This is the lore channel

solemn bough
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🦗

leaden gale
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whoops didn't see catto

manic bone
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Hi lore people - I'm making stuff to do with the Narion / Colony war - And I want to ask if you think its reasonable for both sides to utilise ground combat aside from just mechs - I'm talking AFVs, maybe even tanks?

keen spear
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I can believe it, kinda reminds me of 08 MS team which had ground troops, tanks and such fighting alongside mobile suits

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plus the xenowarfare soldiers we know were in the field with their xenoweapons

solemn bough
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like there has to at least be a picture of a truck somewhere right

quaint roost
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The upcoming buggy proves that there are land vehicles

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And even if we didn’t have the buggy, it’s kind of a given that they’d have land vehicles in lore

obsidian eagle
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arent there these cargo vehicles in game, so there are vehicles we just dont see them move in game

solemn bough
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but also theres only one tiny city per planet so what would you even need a car or truck for?

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new atlantis has the NAT for you to get around in and AC and neon are small enough for everything to be inside walking distance

quaint roost
high copper
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even then for other outposts outside the city, they probably use ships I guess to transport stuff

solemn bough
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yeah like maybe fuel is so cheap they do just fly everywhere

keen spear
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Yea Helium-3 doesn't seem to be expensive or in short supply so trucks or other modes of vehicle transport are probably not necessary

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We do see motorcycles in adverts in places like Neon though

solemn bough
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lol where tf is someone from neon gonna ride a motorcycle

keen spear
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I imagine realistic most of the cities would be more focused on walkability and train systems

daring lake
leaden gale
manic bone
# daring lake Well, not Tanks imo. The issue is the variety of terrain and planetary conditio...

I’m simply thinking in terms of UC vs free star, and what happens if you are unable to achieve orbital / air supremacy, to achieve gains you need to go on the ground, and while mechs are impressive, I’m under the impression they are also akin to a special forces / special utilised group, and would not just be handed out to your regular infantry (see the free star cavalry) - and from in game on the storyboards about the colony war, we see ground units fighting alongside xenoweapons- so you will need something to counter those that won’t get ripped apart easily, or you need something to ensure your own guys also don’t always get eaten I guess

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Also I just like the idea of space trench
warfare

keen spear
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If I was doing something to expand on Niira I would absolutely use 08 MS Team as inspiration given it shows what is often a mecha heavy story but you see how the non-pilots live, act and fight alongside the mecha heavies

daring lake
manic bone
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Consider Niira? 🤔

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Also can I get away with it via rule of cool, I already made the model VaultBoySunglasses

daring lake
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Niira was a stalemate though 🙂 And proved that entrenched positions
only became more entrenched. That war was won in space. No tank
is ever going knock out a UC Listening Post, only mobile infantry.
But yeah, rule of cool ... 😎 Just not for me really.

keen spear
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Isn't Niira's gravity earth-like?

manic bone
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I can’t post pics here so you can’t see what I mean

bright ore
# solemn bough but also theres only one tiny city per planet so what would you even need a car ...

Vehicles of a sort would still be needed even in an all-pedestrian / transit dominated city. They'd just be restricted to service and delivery vehicles. Nobody's going to carry all of the stuff needed for shops, restaurants, etc from the spaceport, and you still have to bring in goods from outlying farms. I assume the designers omitted them because they're not terribly interesting, and also because they're not running an urban design simulation.

fallen kiln
# daring lake Well, not Tanks imo. The issue is the variety of terrain and planetary conditio...

Never really been convinced by mechs as an all-terrain alternative to tanks, tbh. They tend to weigh more, and they have smaller footprints than the tanks, which means more pressure-per-square-inch on the ground, which in turn makes them more prone to sinking into soft ground or breaking through unstable surfaces. Add to that the higher center of gravity and it seems to be they'd be easier to disable. And the higher center of gravity means that recoil from heavy weapons would tend to knock them over, too, so you could mount bigger guns on tanks than on mechs.

I know they're a matter of fact in lore, and willing suspension of disbelief is required, but even so, I'm not sure I see the benefit over tanks in most cases.

wild terrace
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Did they rewrite the story? There are things I don't remember, like the constellation watch

its been almost a year since i last played

high copper
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obviously not

wild terrace
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ur right

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I'm just imagining things I guess

leaden gale
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it's just that the watch is never mentioned again

quaint roost
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The watch is the little circle in your lower left on your hud

pastel brook
fallen kiln
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The trouble with lasers is you have no indirect fire mode. Everything has to be LOS. Which isn't to say there isn't a role for them, of course.

I think I'd sooner have a ship in orbit dropping smart ordinance, and a infantry forward observer with a laser designator fo the ordinance to home in on.

gilded flame
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You forget to consider that mechs are cool.

astral walrus
leaden gale
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it's interesting that terrormorphs and heatleeches are extremophiles. makes you wonder if londinion is really where they originated. or how they're extremophiles when they literally require heat to live.

cobalt saffron
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read the lore a little more, and listen to the story -- They were brought to the xenowarfare lab on londinion for experimentation and broke loose. Thats how they got there. The heatleech was originally found "on a remote moon", and thats all we know

daring lake
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There is no Xenowarfare lab at Londinion.

cobalt saffron
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ah, isn't it that the terrormorph was thought to have originated on londinion as thats where one first appeared, but we discover they come from heatleeches and theres a plant on londinion that accelerates the transformation of the heatleech into a terrormorph

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and the only lore we have about heatleeches is that one was first discovered "on a remote moon"

leaden gale
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yeah. that's why i said terrormorphs and heat leeches.

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i've only done the pirates quest chain once. what'd i miss on kreet?

cobalt saffron
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no, the doctors computer logs tell how a live terrormorph that had somehow been captured was brought to the lab there and broke loose during the initial attempt to put the module on it

daring lake
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... and you will find those logs, and the lab that the 'Morph broke out of on Kreet

cobalt saffron
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the heatleeches must come from a terrormorph after transform

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also, they will have come from ships that landed on the planet

daring lake
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The game tells us that Terrormorphs are native to Toliman II.
It does not tell us an awful lot about the leeches or xenogrubs.

cobalt saffron
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The plant and the heatleech link proves they arent native to toliman II

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The origins of the heatleech are shrouded in mystery

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the heat leech was first introduced to toliman II by humans accidentally

daring lake
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I'm very much prone to the "Say what you see" method. 🙂
So, making stuff up when a perfectly reasonble explanation is there
is not my style.

cobalt saffron
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and then the plant turned one into a terrormorph. Prior to londinion, the sightings of a terrormorph were more myth than anything

daring lake
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You might be right, who knows.
But there is little to no proof that you are.

cobalt saffron
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This is all explained to you during the quest if you go through it slowly and carefully

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vae victis himself was the first to witness the terrormorph transform

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he then chose to keep the fact hidden deliberately

daring lake
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Really?. I don't see that at all. I'm on NG+ 20 something and have done the
quests several times. I've yet to find anything that suggests leeches have
an origin other than Toliman II

cobalt saffron
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There is lore saying that the heatleech was first discovered on a remote moon

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with zero indication of where that was

daring lake
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Ok. Where do I find that btw? Also does that say they are not native to Toliman II?

cobalt saffron
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yeah, its on the computer logs on kreet

leaden gale
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do you guys even use the trap to kill the terrormorph on tau ceti? i just roll in and merc it.

cobalt saffron
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I'm one of those that reads the computers obsessively

cobalt saffron
leaden gale
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i hate the game's stealth mechanic so i just never even tried to use the turrets

cobalt saffron
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I killed it outright first time, but then whatshername is still crouched in the office and won't move

astral walrus
leaden gale
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hadrian?

cobalt saffron
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yeah

daring lake
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I have all those notes from Kreet. I'll re-read them..
... and no, I've never used the trap on Tau Ceti. Much simpler
to just have a face off with the thing imo.

leaden gale
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phase time is aces, but i built into jet packery asap tbh.

cobalt saffron
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in the lab

daring lake
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... they have become my notes 😉

cobalt saffron
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That log all the different animals brought in and the reasons for the lab being set up

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They also note how an ashta was brought in for example

leaden gale
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based purely on the information that no one really knows where heatleeches came from, i think it's probable that they're a crafted, or incidentally crafted species.

cobalt saffron
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heatleeches were around before the war

leaden gale
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i am not in any way implying crucible is behind this when i state this, i am merely using them as an example, but:

Crucible is one example of groups of people who hated the UC and tried to escape them. There could be others that packed their stuff up and got out.

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Scientists typically don't like being constrained. Alternatively, could've been criminals who escaped on the lam. But I don't think that it's any of the "Big Three" nations directly.

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i'd guess that if it had to be one of the "Big Three" it'd be House Varuun based purely and simply on that we know heck all of nothing about them. We know a good deal about the UC and Freestar. Enough, I think, to rule them out completely.

cobalt saffron
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well think about it this way -- who did the cloning on charybdis III?

leaden gale
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People who were fleeing the UC.

cobalt saffron
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it could be them who created the heatleech by accident

leaden gale
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It could, but I'd argue that there needs to be some evidence of it.

cobalt saffron
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then abandoned the specimens on a moon hoping they wouldn't be found

leaden gale
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Were I the one writing this story, I'd leave bread cumbs that heat leeches were a genetic weapon intended purely to drain enemy ships/batteries/etc of power. the growth into a terrormorph would've been entirely unplanned. Maybe two experiments were done too close to one another and cross contamination happened.

Maybe testing was done on, idk, Londinion and that was where the first evolution occured due to the plants. But I wouldn't have the terrormorph be the goal. I'd have it be an unintended and entirely dreaded consequence of a far less serious threat.

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for example, Hadrian Sanon is completely against usign the genetic weapon to kill the terrormorphs because it's a non zero chance that the genetic weapon could mutate to affect other species, including humans.

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Sarah Morgan: tRuSt tHe sCiEnCe
Mando: ::spaces sarah::

upper drum
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Honestly, I'd rather Heat Leeches and directly Terrormorphs be an actual original threat and not some engineered creature. I'm not really an advocate for "Give me Mass Effect level Alien species in my Starfield" but I do like the idea of at least some truly dangerous natural predator. Remember, they only become Terrormorphs quickly due to reactions from the plant. They are a species that would take thousands of years (iirc) to evolve into the Apex Predator.

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If they are engineered then well, they are basically just Starfield Deathclaws. Which they have already had some comparison to, but just feels copy paste if it's an engineered enemy, regardless if the Terrormorph evolution was an unknown outcome.

obsidian glade
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ultimately in Starfield, you are the worst enemy. you can kill and destroy everything in the multiverse

lone leaf
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Yeah, I would love a "Master of My Fate" mode, which removes essential (but not protected) status from basically every NPC.

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And maybe a "Universe of Chaos" mode which also removed protected status from basically every NPC. Both messages should have a prompt that pops up that warns you that what you're about to do can break a lot of the game.

upper drum
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Morrowind had a warning if you killed an essential character. You could reload or deal with the consequences. Back when essential just meant someone had significance to a storyline and not immortality.

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I feel Bethesda made the right call with making essential an immortality tag. Because believe it or not. A lot of people killed quest characters, then got upset not at themselves for not reloading, but at Bethesda because the game let them get into a sticky situation. 🤷‍♂️

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One of the alternative universes could have a free for all setting. There is already some that you just use the eye and Unity jump through anyway.

fallen kiln
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Hadrian said (iirc) that Terrormorphs usually emerge about seventy years after a planet is first colonized. So that would imply that it takes that long as the minimum for a heat leech to mature to the point where it turns into a Terrormorph, at least in the absence of Lazarus pollen.

It also suggests that something about grav jumping resets the leech's internal timer, since otherwise you could have 69 year old leech that hops on a ship and and off again on a new planet and one year later - Terrormorph!

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So I wonder if they're tied into the whole Grav drive mystery in other ways that we don't yet know about. Maybe the Terrormorphs are the Creators!

upper drum
# fallen kiln Hadrian said (iirc) that Terrormorphs usually emerge about seventy years after a...

Oh you're absolutely right! What I was referencing is how long it could take for them to become a true threat naturally. Likely thousands of years without intervention. I should have worded that better. Yeah, it takes leeches roughly 70 years to evolve into Terrormorphs. As for grav jumping affecting them. It likely has to do with them not inducing evolution while in transit. Once they skitter off a ship onto a planet. They likely begin their process somewhere embedded on the planet.

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I say thousands because they are a naturally occurring pest, yet didn't have a threatening presence until the plant issue and the dwindled Aceles species wasn't there to keep them in check.

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This has implications of them not being as prominent or perhaps not every leech manages to evolve etc. Which is why they only became a genuine threat once the plant began to accelerate them in combination of lack of natural predators.

fallen kiln
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It's possible that, under normal circumstances, the presence of terrormorphs in an area serves to inhibit other leeches from transforming. Maybe you might get two or three if they were all sufficiently matured, but after the transform, all the other leeches go back to their default state.

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The thing that intrigues me about the 'morphs though, is Hadrian's comment about them getting more intelligent the older they get. I have this vision of some planet just outside of human space ruled by some hyper-intelligent millennia-old Terrormorph, one that's been using a psychic affinity with the leeches to spy on humanity and plan a war of extinction against them. Now there's a DLC I'd like to see!

quaint roost
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Terramorphs being native to the creators home could be a possibility

Could explain why terramorphs sometimes spawn outside of temples

silk lotus
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Good luck clair. Supra ET Ultra.

keen spear
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I see absolutely nothing connecting terrormorphs to anything related to starborn or unity

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We also know where their native home is so

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The terrormorphs had their story, there's really nothing else to add. We know where they came from, we know how they evolve and how their evolution can be sped up, I don't see the point in making a dlc around it or trying to lump the creators or unity in with them when there's no connecting factors

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Toliman III, it's in the vanguard questline

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One of the options is literally bringing back their natural predator

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Yes and through the questline you find out they come from Toliman III

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No, they're thought to be native to Toliman III because that's what the Terrormorph response team finds out as the questline goes on

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Ignoring that is just ignoring literally everything we learn in the questline, it was a major reveal

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Like even if you ignore we learn that they come from Toliman III you can't ignore that the Acaeles were also native to Toliman III and the fact we have something that speeds up their evolution that can only be found on Toliman III

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Finding them on a remote moon also doesn't really say much, we still haven't found every species on earth and we've been living here for eons, imagine how much wildlife goes unaccounted for or just not found on an alien world, especially an alien world where their natural predator is extremely good at hunting them down.

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it is also not farfetched that something will go onto something and get displaced from it's natural environment, something that happened a lot in the real world, where pests would hitch rides on ships and migrate to a environment that it's not native to.

cobalt saffron
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I'm in the middle of the vanguard quest, and the only mention of toliman III is is being the home of the aceles, which act as a natural predator to the terrormorph.

Once they discover the link between the plant and the heatleech causing sudden evolution into terrormorphs they know at that point that terrormorphs only got to the tolliman system via the heatleech travelling on human ships.

The origin of the heatleech is completely unknown, with the very first record of them having been discovered on a remote moon

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The plant is native to Toliman II

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But the heatleech certainly did not originate there

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humans set up a colony on Toliman II at londinion, bringin with them the Heatleech which spread from the singular discovery by an unknown explorer on a remote moon possibly on the outer edges of the settled systems

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By sheer chance of nature, there was a plant on Toliman II that caused the Heatleech to evolve at an accelerated rate into the Terrormorph

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By another sheer chance, it turned out that the aceles were actually predators of the terrormorph, and the only known wild species to behave as such

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but the heatleech certainly did not come from there. Theres a very high likelyhood that the heatleeches are genetically engineered

keen spear
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Yea, just ignore everything we know about Toliman III and it totally makes sense how heatleeches aren't from there but when you actually do take into account everything about Toliman III it's obvious

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there are way too many factors for it being the home of the heatleeches then everything being a "coincidence"

cobalt saffron
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toliman III or toliman II where londinion is?

keen spear
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Ok yea Toliman II

cobalt saffron
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The existence of the heatleech was a known thing BEFORE they settled Toliman II

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it was around prior to humans getting to toliman II

keen spear
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Don't think that's true, especially when we take into consideration Toliman is directly next to Alpha Centuari, they're the same binary star system

cobalt saffron
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trinary

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we are missing proxima centauri in the game for some weird reason

keen spear
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Like I said you really have to ignore everything we learn about Toliman II to make the case heatleeches aren't from there, there's literally a species of animal from there that is straight up said to be a natural predator of heatleeches that instinctively can sniff them out in no time.

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At that point that's no longer a coincidence, that's straight up proof

cobalt saffron
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the aceles isnt a predator of heatleeches, its a predator of terrormorphs

keen spear
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Hadrian literally says that Aceles are even better at hunting down heatleeches then they are terrormorphs

rigid kiln
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This is like saying lions are good at eating humans but not babies like what? 😭

keen spear
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Like again, it's really grasping at straws to say all the things that point heatleeches being from Toliman II is just a coincidence, there's way too many factors

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and Toliman is right next to Alpha Centauri and we know Aceles were a common livestock, people would've absolutely landed on Toliman to catalogue it for possible habitation as people were evacuating earth

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You mean a thing we know has become a pest by hitching rides on spaceships being found on a world it isn't native

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So what I'm hearing is a ship landed on Toliman II, heatleech that wasn't hunted down by an Aceles hitches a ride and the crew didn't know it, the crew then take off and land on a moon then discover the heatleech, which we know in the modern year that they are infamoius for hitching rides on ships and causing large scale problems that can sometimes cause a ship to crash

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Again, we know enough to say yes, Heatleeches and terrormorphs are from Toliman II, there's way too many factors connecting them to Toliman II.

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Saying otherwise is just ignoring everything about the vanguard questline

rigid kiln
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I love how the whole plot is like wow they're the same but you can literally figure it out on kreet 😭

keen spear
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You mean a world that became a major agricultural center to the UC

rigid kiln
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First mision and you can figure out the whole plot of the vanguard it's so funny 😭

keen spear
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that the heatleech hitched a ride on another ship, jumped onto a new one which also

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that's not new, we know that's how they spread, this is common knowledge.

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yea where there's a animal used for livestock that was so genetically adapt at hunting heatleeches that it can sniff them out and that there's a flower whose spores the heatleech is genetically sensitive too that it causes an increase in it's life cycles. Total coincidence!

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Like how cats aren't genetically adapt at hunting rats, they all just decided to one day do that

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What

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That makes no sense lol we know heatleeches are able to adapt to different climates, we see this on various worlds.

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Hell, heatleeches can adapt to planets that don't have atmospheres like mars

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We have insects that can adapt easily to different climates on earth, cockroaches being a notable case. In fact cockroaches are so good at adaption that most common pesticides don't work on them.

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Humans have adapted to several extreme climates on earth throughout our history

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It's also ignoring that Toliman II is so infested with terrormorphs that the UC has active patrols warning people away, that alone says a lot about how heatleeches managed to spread so far when their natural predator was no longer a factor they took over the entire world

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Again, there are far too many factors to ignore Toliman II being their home world

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Hmmm so the outbreak was worse when their natural predator was removed, their natural predator originates from Toliman II and there's a special plant that only grows on one world that can cause a jumpstart in their natural evolution. So what I'm hearing is, heatleeches are from Toliman II

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Heatleeches are literally the preferred food of Aceles, the Aceles is so tuned to eating heatleeches that they effectively hunt them while even with advanced systems haven't been effective in removing heatleeches entirely

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Sooooo once more all signs point to Toliman II

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Oh you mean the theory that people pulled out of thin air with the game never once point at heatleeches/terrormorphs being connected to the starborn or the creators

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I mean it's a fun thing to imagine sure, the game doesn't say any of it though, it's entirely just pulling something out of a hat and saying it exists without any facts.

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Terrormorphs are actually just mutated leprauchans that escaped earth long again, the game doesn't say it but it doesn't not say it! is the logic being employed here

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Again sure it's a fun thing to imagine but it's also something that the game does not say at all so even theorizing it is just pulling at straws that don't exist.

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Yea all the factors I pointed out aren't just incredibly lucky coincidences that the game constantly pushes as yes, they're from there. Saying they're connected to the creators or any precursor race on the other hand is legit just me saying actually they're fae that escaped saint patrick and then became mutated by the great cosmic serpent

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you can't prove that they aren't fae, but the game sure does make very clear points that yes, they're from Toliman II

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So them being from a remote moon is a flawed narrative according to you, so again when we take the flawed human narratives away and look at the facts the facts end up pointing more towards Toliman II

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Aceles are adapt at hunting them, the worst outbreak happened there, there's a special flower that effects them in a unique way. All are on Toliman II

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Those are hard facts

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Ok so nothing that discounts them being native to Toliman II

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I'm not talking about a log entry, I'm talking about things we know for a fact in the game. There are too many lines connecting them to Toliman II then anything else

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And how do heatleeches spread throughout the galaxy?

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and we know that heatleeches aren't always caught when they infest ships so either a ship landed on Toliman II and one jumped on or a ship that was on Toliman II landed near another and the heatleech moved from one to another like we've seen throughout the game

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but everything we know about Toliman II points to the heatleeches being from Toliman II

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Again I'm posting stuff we actually know instead of making conjecture out of thin air

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even you said that a human narrative is flawed, why is being from a remote moon when we know how they spread not a flawed narrative

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There are numerous animals we are still discovering on earth lol it is very much not farfetched that heatleeches weren't discovered yet but once more everything about Toliman II points to yes, that's where heatleeches and terrormorphs are from

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They do! That's something that the vanguard questline solidifies

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There are once more too many factors about Toliman II that can't just be a lucky coincidence

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Except the exact thing Hadrian says is that the Aceles aren't just effective hunters, they are effective because they genetically evolved eating heatleeches and terrormorphs, everything about their physiology points to being adapt at hunting and eating heatleeches and terrormorphs. They have strong carapaces that protect them, they can sniff them out, they're effective at not only killing terrormorphs but they can detect heatleeches almsot instinctively. All of these are things you are directly told about them, this is not a lucky coincidence, this is evolutionary traits lol

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The heatleeches also being evolutionary attuned to the lazarus flower is also not just a happy lil coincidence, it is a clear evolutionary reaction to the spores of the plant, they are also attracted to the plant's heat which explains how they use heat as a food source, this is once more something we're directly told in the game.

fallen kiln
# keen spear Like I said you really have to ignore everything we learn about Toliman II to ma...

So... if we go to Freya III, there's a species there, the Cataxi, that instinctively knows how to hunt and eat humans. So by your logic, human beings must have evolved on Freya III because it's too big a coincidence otherwise. And we must also have evolved on any other planet that has a species that likes to eat us, and presumably not on Earth since there are no predators there..

Or, OR, maybe it's the case that, similar to the Cataxi and Humans, there's no evolutionary link between Aceles, 'morphs and leeches, and the Aceles are just good at sniffing them out and like like to eat then because they like the taste? Is that not at least possible?

fallen kiln
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I mean you may turn out to be right, but the evidence is nowhere near as cut and dried as you're making out.

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And it's not as if there aren't alien biological compounds that can't have a dramatic effect on human biology. Nothing as dramatic as a heatleach transformation, of course, but anyone who ever brewed Hypergiant Heart can tell you that some of the effects are decidedly non-trivial. So the simple fact that Laraus pollen serves to accelerate heatleech transformation isn't necessarily evidence of anything.

feral whale
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Ok maybe this was asked here before, but one thing is bothering me. Before we discover that ||heatleeches literally morph into them|| why are they called terrormorphs? I get the terror part, but what were they morphing into/from if we didn't know their origin?

fair needle
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I know it sounds silly as a question, but I don't have the ability to play Starfield (sadly), and I'm curious. Is there any sort of timeline for when the known planets were colonized?

feral whale
# fair needle I know it sounds silly as a question, but I don't have the ability to play Starf...

Yes-ish. There are a lot of messages and terminals that give you a rough timeline, and there's a whole (albeit short) section in one of the questlines that talks about the recent history of the Settled Systems. One of the first info kiosks you find in the first real city you visit also talks about that kind of history, but as for exact dates I think many settlements don't have them. For example, you know when Akila City was founded, and you know that Neon was founded after, but I don't think the exact date for Neon is revealed.

fair needle
feral whale
fair needle
fallen kiln
tardy hazel
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Question: Is there a lore-reasion for (only) animals on every 10th planet? or that some are simular in different star systems? did humans bring them from planet a to b or did every 10th planet evolves animal life themselve? same with plants...

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thought so. wonder if there is a hidden explanation somewhere. if someone stumbled accos it, please tell me.

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thx for your answer clair

leaden gale
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they aren't supernatural. it's all pheromonal.

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there's a type of wasp or bee (idr which) that sneaks into hives and gets the drones to kill the real queen
then replaces it.

hard salmon
# tardy hazel Question: Is there a lore-reasion for (only) animals on every 10th planet? or th...

Only finding animals on about a 10th of planets is an abstraction of how often you'll find planets capable of supporting life irl. It's referred to as the "Goldilocks Zone" iirc.

As for why you'll find similar animals on different planets, it's likely a game limitation, yes. They can only create so many unique models. Although that said, evolution has been known to create similar designs from completely unrelated creatures. Google "carcinisation" and you'll see what I mean.

silk lotus
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The best food item grants over 300 energy and physical damage resistances. That's more than early to mid game space suits.

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Matter of fact its the only consumable capable of granting both energy and physical resistances.

silk lotus
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Ok yeah I take it back.

silk lotus
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galax l mein.

keen acorn
# hard salmon Only finding animals on about a 10th of planets is an abstraction of how often y...

The thought on that is changing. Deep ocean microbes do not need oxygen. They found some Microbes around ISS alive and thriving on space side. Showing that comets/meteors could have come from space, with living organisms, and thrive on Earth. Goldilocks zone would be needed for human type existence. Not non-human creatures or life. Its an interesting topic still in debate. But Goldilocks zone has been dogma for a long time.

hard salmon
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In any case, Todd has referenced the Goldilocks zone in interviews when talking about the frequency of seeing life on planets in Starfield.

scenic loom
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Goldilock zone is usch a good term to call the space for habital planets haha
not too hot and not too cold, just right.... for colonizing PanDarkHiya

molten sequoia
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Everybody be sleeping on the horrors of knowing your planet is losing oxygen and is going to melt your skin off in 50 years if you don't get on a spaceship

scenic loom
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Not with that Attitude potatoderp

broken flower
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Only problem with planets in the goldilocks zone is all the bears

daring lake
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... and strangers sleeping in your bed ...

scenic loom
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Bet there's Chunks soup too

keen spear
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I mean they're already giant cubes, it's basically one big bouillon

faint cave
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This makes me imagine a farm biome for Starfield where it's just fields of agricultural crops and trees as far as the eye can see.

keen spear
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That would actually be really cool to see

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Would be great for montara luna or jemison

silk lotus
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Also coods. Known for having a beer named after the planet they harvest from. Coods crater is the beer.

leaden gale
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I've got an important question, fam.

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Does ||the Adoring Fan have a name? What is it? What is this fella's gottdamn name?||

keen acorn
dull fiber
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Just adoring fan, since Oblivion

high copper
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His other name is Former Fan if he you know

scenic loom
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I now call my Adoring Fan as ||"The Mantis"|| potatoderp

spark pawn
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I don't really remember if it's so, but is the mantis' son ever found dead in the lair?

high copper
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I think he got hit by one of the lasers

scenic loom
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poor guy, ngl

obsidian glade
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He wasn’t worthy

scenic loom
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you right, my Adoring Fan now is lol

spark pawn
scenic loom
spark pawn
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That would have been hilarious if Bethesda actually made that canon

leaden gale
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I've decided that the adoring fan's name is John Starfield.

finite estuary
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And here I was about to suggest that we name the Adoring Fan as Dude Mack. 😆

night mist
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I thought his name is Cicero? Transporting his dear mother?

obsidian glade
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i hated the Adoring fan so much in the other game i want nothing to do with him. maybe someday if ship brigs become functional i will lock him up and torment him.

leaden gale
slate valley
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I'm running the Adoring fan girl mod. My wife chuckles at her simping (she sits at her craft desk near my PC and hears everything).

obsidian glade
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I want to deny the adoring fan his hair care products

scenic loom
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Adoring Fan sometimes gives me forks potatoderp StarfieldAdoringFan

spiral stirrup
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They should've made the adoring fan starborn, it makes way more sense that he knows the easiest path to unity is hitching a ride on your ship

keen acorn
spiral stirrup
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Before you tell ssnn what happened, he's just lying so he gets a free unity trip. He's done it enough times where he knows just following you is the best path.

spiral stirrup
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He doesn't know how you'll react maybe? So he lays it on thick lol

silk lotus
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Maybe he created the temples so we could get stronger and he is watching us to see what we do with the powers we get

feral whale
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I remember when doing the UC questline, I thought I had it all figured out. I thought ||the "non-trivial" gene-sequencing they did on the Vae Victis clones was what was triggering the terrormorph evolution||. I was disappointed when the actual truth was revealed.

peak halo
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Don't both the emissary and the Bounty Hunter say that the PC never makes it as far as meeting them?

rigid kiln
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you reaching your space ship is why the hunter doesn't kill you

peak halo
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BH is A, and E is the CC who dies, yeah?

peak halo
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Isn't he called 'the bounty Hunter' when you first encounter him, in a spaceport bar, randomly?

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In any case, yes, the Hunter

rigid kiln
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he's called the hunter

keen acorn
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I will watch the Xbox showcase - tomorrow Shatter Space is on the list for tomorrow. oohhh...

spark pawn
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I straight up was mind blown

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Not only did it give relevance in my eyes to londinion and its downfall, but the whole premise if the scheme and just all of it was crazy to me

obsidian glade
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the big plot hole on that quest was how did Vae Victus get messages out and set up actions? he should of been in total isolation if he was declared dead

hollow depot
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I haven't played since the first few months of launch but as I remember it's brought up in the questline

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UC leadership is surprised to learn if you tell them the truth about Vae Victis having inside connections and relaying orders from his prison

shell wind
fresh reef
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someone needed to bring him the food and etc. a doctor would need to see him occasionally, the number of people would be limited since they wouldnt want too many people to know about him.

hard salmon
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He also specifically calls out that some guards are so disgusted with him, that they don't spend a lot of time watching him.

broken flower
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Vae Victus had a covert team assigned to him by the UC, they thought they were planting bait for war criminals , but were actually leaving secret messages for Orlase

feral whale
# spark pawn Not only did it give relevance in my eyes to londinion and its downfall, but the...

Oh I agree, I just wish they had gone with ||unknowing sleeper agents causing the mutation due to lazarus plant genes, thus resulting in maybe a moral dilemma (what to do with them) at the end|| instead of ||someone just bringing the plant somewhere and causing terrormorphs||. Don't get me wrong, I loved the reveal, and had a jaw drop moment as well. I'm just saying "wellll if I were writing this, this is how I would do it", but I'm not writing the quest so who cares 😛

spark pawn
spark pawn
feral whale
hard salmon
spark pawn
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Ok awesome

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For some reason that tab didnt show up for me, idk if it's because im mobile, but the role tab i had, had no factions lol

hard salmon
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You might have accidentally collapsed a channel category. I've done that a few times.

keen acorn
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woo hoo. That starstation, from the announcement vid, is the portal to Va'ruun Kai just stated at the Xbox 21 AUG show.

cobalt saffron
keen acorn
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Its nice to get confirmation on the guessing that was discussed.

solemn bough
glad jacinth
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No, they told DLC be set on one planet

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In one location

scenic loom
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sounds like they are trying to stick to a one world map type of thing this time
testing to see how it goes maybe?

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which will then possibly get more of those in future dlcs and updates

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then it will be interesting to see
we have the base game the way it is

and then future released of one system/one planet/one world map content down the road

high copper
glad jacinth
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Yes

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New Atlantis is technically 1 location

high copper
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so in a way, like how erm, far harbour is kinda set around the town, and nuka world is set around nuka world

high copper
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I think Tim Lamb said you won't have to leave Va'ruunkai so that's nice

scenic loom
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im wondering if Dazra will be one large city (way bigger than NA and Akila) and that it all takes place in one large island
so we cant technically explore the entire map that Dazra is in

glad jacinth
high copper
scenic loom
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hmmm

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im gonna say a little bit beyond
maybe as big as Akila and its ship port together

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speaking of which, i doubt we will be able to have our ship with us
until the end of the story... maybe

high copper
scenic loom
whole cedar
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i uninstalled ui mods and it broke all "E" uses and inventory scrolling 😦 i guess its clean install time

high copper
scenic loom
obsidian glade
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As long as my buggy makes it to Dazra I’m fine

scenic loom
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it will... somehow
saw it on the trailer

but umm, either its ours or we are using one of House Va'ruuns when he are in Va'ruun'kai

solemn bough
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what do yall think happened to Sebastian Banks?

upper drum
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Jokes aside. I've kind of wondered this myself because they say he just left one day, right?

gray dune
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I think we'll see Banks at some point

keen spear
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My guess is he is a starborn

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Constellation did already have an artifact after all

gray dune
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He might even be that guy who convinced NASA to make the grav drives

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I doubt that was a Hunter variant. One of the Starborn are so powerful that they can time travel

obsidian echo
gray dune
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Then again I'm no fan of the Hunter as a character. As a parody of some gamers, absolutely

solemn bough
hard salmon
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Or it was the Unity itself, for whatever reason.

chrome sandal
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Is there any lore reason why chunks is so sus BooPop I still think it’s humans mashed up

near slate
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I imagine its just like, lab grown, synthetic food in little cube shapes. I could be wrong though.

scenic loom
rigid kiln
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if it was I'd eat it

near slate
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I mean, plenty of irl food is pretty sketchy so, we're probably already eating it.

rigid kiln
#

who is we?

near slate
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All of the people who eat in America, I guess.

rigid kiln
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and that's why you should grow your own food

near slate
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I do sometimes. I'm terrible with plants though.

rigid kiln
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go through the unity and change traits :)))))))

past plank
near slate
manic merlin
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I want to put it out there that the entirety of Jurassic park/world, is lore friendly, as you can apparently find a Jurassic park VHS tape somewhere.

glad jacinth
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And Skyrim 300 anniversary edition

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319 Edition actually

keen spear
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Chunks are just 3D printed food, they probably taste fine but it's probably still on the scale of junk food, even the healthy options are most likely not as healthy as advertised. which is a real thing with restaurants irl. Like the egg would be made of powdered or liquid egg substitute that you find in numerous restaurants and the cheesesteak is most likely just stuff that tastes like bread and meat.

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We see other cases of 3D printing food machines and it's a technology that is being researched irl

near slate
keen spear
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Now Can-Uck food? That's suspicious, Canada no longer exists

past plank
#

powdered eggs 🤢

keen spear
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If you ever eat eggs from a fast food place they're often powdered or liquid egg substitutes

past plank
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i had to be in the hospital for a while one time and had to eat them. absolutely disgusting

keen spear
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It's way more commonly used in food preparation then people realize

near slate
past plank
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see thats crazy. if i went into a sit down restaurant and ordered eggs and got egg substitute id walk right out

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if i didnt want real eggs id say "fake eggs please"

near slate
solemn bough
#

Interesting Starfield lore

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Space IHOP wen?

keen spear
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Can-Uck food is basically the Ihop of starfield

past plank
daring lake
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Soylent Chunks ...

obsidian glade
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Chunks has got to loaded with preservatives and lord knows what else

silk lotus
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Do you guys think a diplomat of either uc or fc would work with the trade authority? Trying to flesh out a backstory for my diplomat. Thinking a go between the uc and the trade authority?

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Like what is the relationship between the faction and trade authority anyway?

gray dune
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Their relationship is good because TA has quite a trade monopoly but UC doesn't like that they hustle in contraband on their worlds

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But they can't do much because of that trade monopoly, don't want to piss them off, so they mostly ignore ignore the contraband thing

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FC doesn't appear to care about TA and contraband

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The title you're thinking of may be 'Corpoate Liason' and there would definitely be one of those between UC and TA

high copper
gray dune
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But even they'd be limited due to TA's relative trade monopoly. As evidence of this, they can almost openly trade with pirates

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Or anyone they choose and the other factions don't say jack. The only corporate entity in current lore more powerful would be GalBank...

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Maybe it's bad narrative or intentional, dunno, but there appears to be one currency in the Settled Systems and GalBank has an absolute monopoly on its handling

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Different governments, one currency...GalBank basically controls the economy. Which works due to their apparent neutrality.

Overthinking it here, but GalBank 's existence basically ensures credits are the ultimate fiat-based currency.

silk lotus
gray dune
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Ryunin is definitely high up there.

high copper
silk lotus
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Just wondering what kind of life a uc diplomat would have? For writing a backstory for my former diplomat character.

gray dune
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They'd likely be a Class One

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If seasoned enough

cobalt saffron
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Benjamin Bayu's control of Neon is un-natural, and many in the FC think that way. However, they HAD to bring him onto the council just so they could trade there

gray dune
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Born/raised a Class One citizen, best education, raised in New Atlantis.

cobalt saffron
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The TA are more or less based in Neon is my thinking. They don't state an HQ, but if they have one, I would bet its there

gray dune
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But definitely born a citizen of the UC

high copper
cobalt saffron
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We don't see any sign of the TA's bosses, yet multiple TA vendors mention them in passing

#

Theres a definite higher structure to the TA

gray dune
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TA is like a super mafia in Amazon clothing

#

They have cornered, dominated, and collared the black market

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Except for illegal ship stuff, the CF got that...and they're a partner of TA anyway

silk lotus
past plank
high copper
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they are a powerful force, best people to deal with, when it comes to trading, even if they also trade with the enemy

cobalt saffron
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I also have a Diplomat but shes a Neon Street Rat. I like to think of her as having been recruited by the FC from Neon after being a part of Ryujin.

high copper
cobalt saffron
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Wheres the star station?.

past plank
#

no idea i only found it once

high copper
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Valo, near Prax

past plank
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yeah there you go. i was gonna say maybe not neon for their hq but somewhere in freestar space makes sense

#

lax regulations while still having some kind of security

high copper
#

still have rangers coming to help

past plank
#

not that the fleet thinks twice about attacking ships in sovereign space

high copper
#

though Valo isn't formally part of the FC

past plank
#

is valo where hopetown is?

gray dune
high copper
gray dune
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Or dealt with those lobbyists rather than worked with them

high copper
#

like how some systems you click on have 2 choices

past plank
#

like isnt alpha centauri and toliman a binary system? does that count as two? i forget

cobalt saffron
#

Toliman is supposed to be a red dwarf as well, but its not in game

#

I don't think they've put dwarf stars in game afaik, they've turned them into main sequence stars

#

Also, theres supposed to be at least one Neutron star in the bubble, but its missing

#

there might even be 2

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Like ED, this game uses the conecpt of our system being part of a "bubble" of stars, which it is IRL, then theres this huge chasm 30+ LY across from the edge of the "bubble" to the next nearest stars

past plank
silk lotus
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I'm thinking kinda snobby rich guy who lost his job as a diplomat after drinking too much at a after work party and fighting a fc diplomat. In truth a neuro amp was used on him in order to instigate a fight between him and a fc diplomat, as a result fired and arrested with another diplomat taking his place.

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I think it's possible with established lore?

cobalt saffron
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Mine is a diplomat who was raised in Neon and fell in with the Disciples at a young age. She eventually graduated from them to the Seogukh Syndicate, and from there to Ryujin, who "persuaded" the FC to take her on as a diplomat to see things over between Neon and the rest of the FC.

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She was eventually fired after some of her bribery and deciet to cover up serious crimes for the syndicate outside of neon came to light

past plank
#

you guys should make threads for your chars in the RP channel

cobalt saffron
#

She sees the CF as being too base for her. She's far above them and would rather see them done over by the UC sysdef

gray dune
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Pick up some background mods which have you aligned with UC...

cobalt saffron
#

oh, and something that isn't mentioned, but at the beginning of the game, you can go to the argos offices near SSNN and tell them whats happened to Lin and Heller and the problems they've had

lyric remnant
#

Lore question: Who provides the UC Military and Security Forces with their firearms?

high copper
#

I think maybe Allied Armaments are UC's primary supplier while Laredo is FC's

#

just going off the equipment they hold usually

daring lake
#

Not unusual to see some UC Sec. in NA carrying Combatech, but loot from dead Marines
is Allied Armaments.

scenic loom
#

what kind of creatures would roam around back then
seeing the Boneyard POIs scares me about how big they are

i remembered finding a Boneyard POI on Mars, of all places
does Bethesda know something we dont? sasihmmm

trail eagle
#

Are all cats a dogs ded in lore?

feral basalt
#

Maybe, but u can still have Milliwhale as alternative

solemn bough
trail eagle
keen acorn
keen acorn
#

There is one for seeds, another for animal DNA/Human DNA.

trail eagle
#

Would make for a neat dlc! Massive subterranean vaults, cryogenically preserved flora/fauna. Derelict colony ship(s) with the same. Lost to time in the panic of the exodus/extinction. Could introduce older robot models that way as well—fighting through armies of vicious automated defenses set to defend their posts at all cost

I'd love to reintroduce our animals to other planets, or just have some pets at least

trail eagle
keen acorn
trail eagle
keen acorn
#

No Dune like Worms have been reported - yet.

trail eagle
#

Xenogrub's revenge lol

keen acorn
#

Good Luck

trail eagle
scenic loom
spark pawn
#

You think they'd be easy to take care of, but all of a sudden they swarm you and you're one shot by a mud ball

daring lake
past plank
#

chocolate labs definitely are

hard salmon
#

Tbf cats were believed extinct in Fallout lore until Fallout 4 where they first made an appearance. Bethesda tend to make heavy use of unreliable narrators, so that they can tweak the lore to suit what they want to do.

#

Basically, if they wanted to add cats and/or dogs to the Starfield universe down the line, they probably would.

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Plus a cat does make an appearance in concept art, so it's not like they haven't toyed with the idea a little.

novel sparrow
#

It's never mentioned anywhere in Starfield that cats or dogs went extinct

#

They just don't appear, but they exist in lore

#

though they do mention that certain dog breeds went extinct

cobalt saffron
#

One of the things they really should have sorted out is the children. Theres only 4 visible children in game -- Cora, Sona, Annie Wilcox, and her friend

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The friend proves they had more than one child model available to them. Cora, Sona and Annie all look more or less identical. There are only 2 or 3 male children that I can think of

past plank
keen acorn
peak halo
#

The bird chirping sound is likely either alien crraturrs that sound similar, or an audio piped into certain places, you know, for Ambiance

silk lotus
#

Could be chirping plants for all we know.

broken flower
#

that's just Sarah psyching you out with her bird impressions

obsidian echo
hard salmon
#

Undoubtedly there are instances where Bethesda have dropped the ball simply because of the sheer volume of lore. Jet appearing in a vault was never actually lore-breaking, however.

round charm
#

quick question should aurora have a high price for those buying/sellin outside Neon?

hard salmon
#

In the lore? Probably. People would likely pay extra to enjoy the drug outside of Neon.

spark pawn
bright ore
quartz flicker
broken flower
#

Huge gap in world building if there are no pets

rocky vigil
#

i seen a mod for pets

novel sparrow
quartz flicker
#

Ah Nice never seen it

broken flower
solemn bough
novel sparrow
opal spruce
#

question, when you starborn, what exactly happens to that universe's you?

solemn bough
#

from my own speculation, you become one with the unity, but fragments of you are able to manifest into new universe as you transverse through the unity

#

i think you become more and more apart of the unity as you travel through it so many times

#

not sure tho, theres alot that can be debated

opal spruce
#

oh, ok
so what happens when you manifest into a new universe and there's already another you?

rigid kiln
#

You make out

solemn bough
#

but honestly we might get slightly more info since recently bethesda claimed Starborn recently as copyright i think ( forget the term xP ) soooo we might learn more about the unity or at least starborn culture

versed tangle
faint cave
#

I've just started the Ryujin questline, and already I'm hesitating because they trying to get me to sabotage Laredo. I like Laredo, and they're probably one of the better companies in the Settled Systems.

astral walrus
faint cave
#

I know that. Laredo will probably be just fine considering Akila security gets their weapons from them.
I just feel bad, you know?

round charm
obsidian glade
#

Can you get yourself as a companion, switch sex at enhance then marry yourself ?

#

I guess technically you don’t even have to switch sec on one of you

astral walrus
solemn bough
rigid kiln
#

I'd kiss myself

scenic loom
#

ayo, chill!
saucy starborn right here tlrKittyBlush

round charm
past plank
#

the acronym

scenic loom
solemn bough
rigid kiln
#

me and me?

trim tendon
rigid canyon
desert zinc
scenic loom
#

Honey in SF wen? ablobblewobble

silk lotus
#

Do you guys think there could be more significance to the final temple? It's the only time we get both a artifact and a power at the same place. Usually the artifact leads us to the temple and power. But there is both a artifact and a power.

past plank
#

it might mean that all artifacts were housed within their respective temples at some point

faint cave
#

What if the event that separated all of them was Shattered Space?

#

Unlikely but, still fun to think about.

silk lotus
#

I'm still think that shattered space with have either nothing to do or very little to do with the starborn, considering that is the likely name for the next dlc.

wind sail
#

Shattered Space most likely references the idea that the House Va'ruun is shattered by a power struggle

pastel brook
silk lotus
#

We know portals are bringing creatures from other dimensions onto the va'ruun homeworld.

#

Came from a source.

high copper
#

Vortex horrors

silk lotus
#

Yes that's them.

valid hedge
#

Saw this post on Reddit a while ago, but the Battle of Mars is a real thing. I think people on r/Starfield were unsure whether it was fake, but it’s real. There’s a lady in Gagarin Landing that talks about it

faint cave
glossy adder
#

it seems like they have factions/organizations so they should be able to contact each other

#

and it would be the only place where they could live with similar beings

daring lake
#

But we don't. We either seek the Unity or pass judgement on who is fit
to seek it.

static sky
static sky
#

Perhaps va’ruun shattered space in hope to find the giant snake or whatever

#

All starborn are humans, but who are the creators ?

#

Let’s call them elders. Did they wrote scrolls, somewhere in the multiverse ? NukaCola

#

Say, now that i think about it. A variant universe that is fallout, another that is elder scrolls, multiverse theory is really one way to blend all games into one

keen spear
#

No, Elder Scrolls is it's own property as is Fallout, none of them are connected which is good. It wouldn't make any sense to have another universe be Elder Scrolls specifically because of how Elder Scrolls's universe is on a metaphysical level.

Starfield is also hard sci-fi, Fallout is a satirical take on sci-fi hence why radiation acts like the 60s trope of "mutations basically are magic" instead of just causing horrible cancers. Elder Scrolls is a reality within a dream of a god-head, it wouldn't make sense for it to just be another universe.

#

All it would do is cheapen the settings and writing of the other franchises, it shouldn't be done nor most likely won't.

rigid kiln
little citrus
static sky
rigid kiln
#

Multiverse normally is an isolated thing with time branching from points in one timeline while an omnivserse would be everything created ever

#

So narnia meets dc or whatever

orchid ferry
#

The Creators and The Great Serpent are the big mysteries still left in the game. And possibly whatever the hell is going on with the Terrormorphs mental powers. Really hope we get some solid theories going with the dlcs.

daring lake
#

'Morphs have no mental powers other than the "pheromonic projection" that
is described in the Vanguard missions.

orchid ferry
#

Oh no I get that it's 'biological' in nature. But with some of the other things we see and experience in game, it almost seems like they are more than we think.

My head canon is they are the 'little part of ourselves' we leave behind each time we join the Unity. A corrupted mass of emotion or essence.

daring lake
#

"Say what you see. Everything else is false, until proven otherwise."
Which is my little mantra when trying to unravel a puzzle. 🙂
So yeah, they could be more than they seem. But right now they are just
what they appear to be.

orchid ferry
#

I feel like scientists studying a few subjects, before being wiped out by a mind reading instant evolving space snake, might not know everything about it. Lol

scenic loom
#

I wouldnt be surprised if it was a science experiment gone wrong and now theres talks of a Great Serpent out in the universe
along with the idea that some rando Starborn was messing around

orchid ferry
#

There's for sure a lot of snake theming around the Starborn, Terrormorphs, and The Unity.

solemn bough
#

The Great Serpent shall reveal himself, and shroud the entire universe, leaving only the faithful. That is the truth. No more, no less.

orchid ferry
#

And I really hope to get way more lore about House Va'ruun. I wanna hear from Jinan himself what happened on that grav jump

scenic loom
#

its all just a pyramid scheme SLYKEK

#

Im more intrigued by a potential Va'ruun Civil war

solemn bough
scenic loom
solemn bough
# orchid ferry And I *really* hope to get way more lore about House Va'ruun. I wanna hear from ...

https://gamingboulevard.com/2024/08/interview-starfield-shattered-space-with-tim-lamb-gamescom-2024/
I highly recommend this article

GamingBoulevard
Interview: Starfield: Shattered Space with Tim Lamb – Gamescom 2024

During Gamescom, I was able to interview Tim Lamb, lead creative producer Starfield, to talk about the upcoming Shattered Space expansion. Want to learn more about this addition to the vast Starfie…

orchid ferry
#

Hmmm. My security is warning me about that link for some reason.

#

Yeah that site is giving me a bunch of unsecured warnings. Lol

trim tendon
scenic loom
#

most likely ads
works fine for me

orchid ferry
trim tendon
#

Huh strange

orchid ferry
#

I'll need to check my settings.

silk lotus
#

Just look up tim lamb interview and there should be other articles covering it.

#

Someone else probably cross posted or copied the info somewhere else

scenic loom
#

Or just Tim Lamb potatoderp
mans know what he's on and he is bringing it all to the table

#

based on what he said in that interview
we are entering a new system, right?
but will it be just one system?

#

figured they would add like.... 2-4 systems just to "expand" a bit for some side quests in the base game

orchid ferry
#

I like that the homeworld is going to be hand built. And they're focusing on narrative.

scenic loom
#

yes, this is def going back to them jsut focusing on one map

#

still, im hoping they add some extras beyond that

solemn bough
#

Strange, I use brave and I have no issues

#

@orchid ferry if you want I can just dm you some screenshots from the article

orchid ferry
#

I found a site that I could access. Thanks though

solemn bough
#

But yeah we're going to get to see their sacred sites and get loads of lore on the Va'ruun people and the religion of the Va'ruun.

rigid kiln
#

I hope we get to see some parts of the mourning

solemn bough
rigid kiln
#

could be the colonyship

#

which again could be the same ship, Dazra could also have been the colonyship and they use that to build our city

solemn bough
rigid kiln
#

I know but the mourning is decomisioned so unless anasko needed the hull back from the embassy to reconstruct it I don't see the mourning being a whole ship

solemn bough
#

Right

silk lotus
#

I think some colony ship parts were recycled and used in the well part of new Atlantis so it is possible the va'ruun colony ship had parts used and recycled in the same way.

rigid kiln
#

would be logical especially as a holy relic, would make dazra a more important city

solemn bough
#

I'm sure there's going to be plenty of Va'ruun relics in SS along with sacred sites

round charm
scenic loom
#

Patrick
our Starborn Origin name is Patrick potatoderp

daring lake
#

I rename my char after each Unity jump. Right now he is called Dave.
And Vasco calls me Captain Dave, instead of just Captain.

#

... on the next jump the name will be Bob

past plank
#

the player should be the hunter and the hunter the collector and the collector just some dude

#

no one does more hunting than the player

obsidian glade
#

I’m just the dude

silk lotus
#

I went with the same name as my fo4 death knight character. Eugene Venkman.

round charm
#

question should the PC be able to join all the available joinable factions?

astral walrus
round charm
astral walrus
# round charm the player character

I think if you have one of the "native" traits then you shouldn't be able to but would that in turn lock you out of doing some of the faction questlines? If youre UC Native youre locked out of the Ranger questline and if youre FC Native your locked out of the Vanguard questline. Or if you choose CF youre locked out of both (and potentially HV)?

round charm
astral walrus
#

And i assume with the release of SS we'll get a House Va'ruun Native trait as well

astral walrus
cobalt saffron
#

And what about Neon Street Rat?

astral walrus
#

Technically Neon is in FC space

cobalt saffron
#

That trait plays VERY heavily into Ryujin

daring lake
#

Locking players out of gameplay due to choices made is
a bad idea imo.

astral walrus
#

It gives an appropriate consequence to the choice the PC makes

daring lake
#

Well, we can make that choice if we wish to. Right now.

#

Forcing others to do it though? Not a great idea imo.

astral walrus
#

This is all hypothetical. Its not forcing the player to do anything

daring lake
#

I'm sorry. I might have mis-understood. But you are talking about
a player being unable to join a faction if a certain choice is made yes/no?

astral walrus
#

Yes

#

Just like choosing the religion traits choosing one locks you out of getting of the others.

cobalt saffron
#

So should there be consequences for joining ryujin?

#

and if so, what?

astral walrus
#

Ryujin isnt one of the factions.. per se Its a corp

cobalt saffron
#

See Neon is a strange place in that whilst its technically in FC controlled space, they have zero control over it

#

And Bayu is on the FC council

#

Bayi operates Neon as his own personal fiefdom

astral walrus
glad jacinth
#

Ryujin OWN Neon. Bayu is corpo-feudal lord in corpo-feudal FC

#

Only LIST is/can be free/democratic

ashen seal
#

Really hope we can colonize a planet in a future DLC

high copper
keen spear
#

There's dialogue where Bayu doesn't have complete control, that's why he uses aliases and the syndicate. For instance during the crimson fleet questline you can choose to out that Bayu is secretly controlling the energy company and while it doesn't get him dethroned it does cause problems for him

#

Also I wouldn't say Ryujin owns Neon but they're the most likely faction to wrestle control from Bayu and the CEO basically said she is working towards full independence

keen spear
#

I honestly think Bethesda should've only locked out other factions if you joined the fleet tbh

#

But games and gamers nowadays hate the idea of being locked out of content

high copper
rich zenith
#

btw do you guys prefer the more grounded lore (e.g. corporations, crimson fleet, wars) or the more fantasy lore (e.g. unity, starborn)

cobalt saffron
#

the grounded lore

scenic loom
#

Grounded
after doing Unity once, kinda lost interest, and have been doing grounded runs ever since

but im happy enough to have two different kinds of narratives to explore
such as with Bethesda games

high copper
#

of course I prefer grounded lore
I don't mind the unity stuff because it's a nice contrast to what everyone else in the settled systems goes through and experiences and what the player comes across

rich zenith
#

yeah same, i prefer the grounded stuff much more too

#

i find those books about chunks interesting too lol

hard salmon
#

I do wish they leaned harder into writing lore books like they do in Elder Scrolls

rich zenith
#

yh ive seen a few people say there arent many lore books

#

tbh i cant remember how much were in elder scrolls. is there a big difference?

hard salmon
#

There's a huge difference. Although I'm sure it helps that there have been so many games already. Even Daggerfall had in-game books to read through.

#

I mentioned the title of a Starfield book and the bot got mad lol

#

But yeah, a lot of the books in Starfield have nothing to do with Starfield lore. They are mostly just excerpts from real life books.

#

I would love to see in-game books about major events in the timeline Starfield has laid out, like major battles in the colony war.

high copper
#

everything is laid out in digital format, on computers

hard salmon
#

People wouldn't have stopped writing books though. I'm pretty sure there are even tablets as a misc item in-game.

#

Plus "My life, chunk by chunk" is a book in the Starfield universe and it's a paperback book.

rich zenith
#

lore stuff u can read that i can remember are stuff like books about chunks, books about grav drives etc, then stuff like the terminals in the cities

hard salmon
#

Yeah, I know there are a few. I just wish there were more.

rich zenith
#

yeah

hard salmon
#

Plus the ones we have are a lot shorter than the stuff in Elder Scrolls.

rich zenith
#

yh the books in this game are like 2/3 pages

hard salmon
#

Even the stories in Elder Scrolls were a joy to read imo.

rich zenith
#

is there a website that has all the books in the game?

obsidian glade
#

even the Chunks Employees get a paper handbook

rich zenith
#

yh i liked that

#

i hope shattered space doesnt deviate too much from the games groundedness

hard salmon
#

The vibe I've gotten so far, is that it's a much more pessimistic answer to the question Starfield poses; "what's out there?"

#

Instead of the usual hopefulness we've already seen, it's seemingly focusing more on the dangers.

rich zenith
#

yeahh

daring lake
silk lotus
#

Definatly leading into the cosmic horror genre.

crimson cobalt
#

Question: is there really nothing they can do about seamless space flight of any kind? Do the ships use instantaneous grav jumps for all distances despite the in game cutscenes for interplanetary travel not actually showing that?

high copper
#

when you travel in first person to another planet for a split second you can see that autopilot is engaged I think for intersystem they don't use grav jumps only for going to another system
as for what speed they use for local not too sure, it seems they just enable auto pilot and wait for the long journey

cobalt saffron
#

Also, if you check the clock when travelling locally, you will see that a huge length of time can pass

#

even fast travelling actually makes a sizeable dent in the amount of time used

high copper
#

so it does take a few ingame hours to travel

cobalt saffron
#

Travelling between Jemison and Gagarin for example take about 6 in game hours UT

high copper
#

I would still prefer if the fast travel was more like I guess daggerfall where it tells how much time passes

cobalt saffron
#

Also, the astrogate mod introduces the ability to "supercruise" between worlds which is around half to 3/4 light speed. They do make the important note that its impossible to go faster than the speed of light, so the grav drive uses a hyperspace jump

daring lake
#

The travel method has been under debate for some time. One of the things that clouds
the issue are the flyby animations. There was some testing done some months ago which
showed in-system travel to advance the in-game clock by only small amounts.
As it has been some time since those tests I have just travelled from Jemison to
Gagarin in less than one minute.

cobalt saffron
#

on the UT clock?

daring lake
#

Yes.

#

And when you consider missions such as Groundpounder and Failure To Communicate,
anything other than near instant travel would not work.

cobalt saffron
#

I know that apparantly getting from alpha centauri to cheyenne takes 2 in game hours

#

Can you see what the in-game clock shows for a jump from AC to cheyenne?

daring lake
#

It is a grav jump. Instant.

cobalt saffron
#

The NPC's talk about spending time in hyperspace

#

between systems

high copper
#

I wonder if there is like a hard limit where you can't use the grav jump at a minimal distant, like it has to be at least, "this far"

daring lake
#

So ... Gagarin to Cheyenne still less than a minute

crimson cobalt
#

If thats the case then perhaps the best we can hope for would just be reworked animations that make it more immersive I guess. I know there is a lot of back and forth about the merits of seamless space travel and whether it would be boring, but I just wish it could "feel" like you are actually travelling in space to some extent at least instead of always a typical load screen between destinations.

cobalt saffron
#

Also allows supercruise between planets, so no loading screen there

rigid kiln
#

Just get a good pc kekw

cobalt saffron
rigid kiln
cobalt saffron
quartz flicker
rigid kiln
#

Nope only the extended grav jump mod but my loading screens have always been near instant

#

Only loading screen I have is when landing bc I have always land on planet on

quartz flicker
#

Wow even if I have under one second loads, i dont have "no load" like that

rigid kiln
#

Or when entering the well but I never go there

cobalt saffron
#

what about elevators or going into instance such as shops in NA?

rigid kiln
#

Yea the well is a loading screen

cobalt saffron
#

ebbside to the core in neon is as well

rigid kiln
#

Idk never go there

#

Dystopian cities

quartz flicker
#

Loading screen kinda kills the immersion ngl, specially when you speedrun annoying stuff sometime for half an hour and just play loading simulator

crimson cobalt
# rigid kiln Old clip from idk how long ago https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1206710670...

ideally something that could also stay in first person would be good, but even that looks way better imho. The load screens mostly don't bother me "except" for the space stuff because, like i said, it just feels disjointed. Its not about how fast or slow they are. Its just that its happening all the time in space because you can't go anywhere without it. Beyond that though, I wonder if they will ever bring back those fuel mechanics that got dropped. Seems like they changed the lore mid development to make up for the shift in gameplay though, so idk how it would work exactly if they brought it back. I guess it would just dictate how far you can jump instead of not being able to jump anywhere at all or something. Still, that thing about getting stuck and having to send out a distress beacon sounded really interesting to me.

rigid kiln
hard salmon
#

I would honestly feel a lot better about the loading screens if there were more things to do in space. If they did a space focused expansion, I would be very happy.

#

Also yeah, being able to manually travel within a solar system would go a long way as well.

crimson cobalt
rigid kiln
scenic loom
#

gotta say, i have a thought
if Bethesda does decide to add another Faction war between UC and FC
i do like the idea that a third faction was the cause of it secretly, making one of the factions believe that them broke the peace treaty and then boom, Story Expansion abongoblob

or would ya'll prefer that it was an actual breaking of the peace treaty from both sides?

astral walrus
daring lake
#

A Uni where Amarenas tries to conquer all

scenic loom
# astral walrus Starborn army vs settled sys

hmmm
and the player decides who to side with
eradicate all of the factions or get rid of starborn in this particular universe... interesting

altho maybe not all the factions, just the FC and UC mostly

keen spear
#

There's not going to be a war expansion or anything, it would require way too much work

#

You would need to hire every voice actor back, re-do all the faction questlines, it would take so much work to actually do it and make it feel like it fits. It's also just none of the factions are in a strong enough position, everyone is still recovering from the last war and the Settled Systems barely recovered from the Serpent's Crusade. Another war would just cause the UC and FC to collapse

#

It would also ruin one of the main paths of the vanguard questline which is building a bridge of good faith between the UC and FC through the need to get rid of terrormorphs. Vanguard would make no narrative sense otherwise.

#

and honestly it's better they don't just have another war come out of nowhere, there's no reason for it.

cobalt saffron
#

Yeah, DLC's are always in their own self-contained map and rarely contaminate the main map (though nuka-world allows the raiders to spill into the commonwealth if you side with them)

keen spear
#

It's also worth noting that neither faction has a reason, every NPC who says a war is coming are PTSD suffering vets who are stuck in the past like the leader of the First

rigid kiln
#

me omw to instigate a second crusade

keen spear
#

Kinda like it's a commentary on PTSD and how people who fight in wars often justify how they can't escape the horrors they witnessed

#

It also wouldn't make narrative sense given starfield is an antiwar game

novel sparrow
#

From a lore standpoint can you grav jump into the interstellar space or you can only jump to the massive bodies like planets and stars?

cobalt saffron
#

The settled systems are in a bubble of local space where mosts systems are less than 30Ly apart

#

Theres an "abyss" around our local bubble where the jump is 35+ Ly to the next nearest system

#

Its very similar to Elite Dangerous, the difference being in that game you always jump to the main star of the system and then have to supercruise out to the planet or station you want ; In starfield the grav drive asks you to pick the planet to actually jump to

keen spear
#

Iirc it's entirely designed to make sure you can't jump into abyss space, there was a random ship encounter that's basically an on board nav AI disregarded this safety and jumped into empty space

silk lotus
#

Are chunks said to be freeze dried rp do they still have moisture?

keen spear
#

You know I would also like to know this, especially for CHUNKS brand wine and soda

silk lotus
#

Maybe those could be more of a jello? Make chunks jello shots a thing now.

keen spear
#

and as a someone who lives near Philly that cheesesteak can't be too dry

#

otherwise Bethesda needs to explain their food crimes

obsidian glade
#

Mayo>Jello

shrewd kiln
keen spear
#

The real question is American cheese, provolone cheese or...cheese whiz

#

The questions we need answered

finite crater
#

Not swiss, thats for sure. That's as much of a disgrace as putting ketchup on a well done steak

keen spear
#

Absolutely can't be swiss

#

The only cheese alternative I will accept is maybe a pepper jack

#

PA/NJ players must know Bethesda's cheesesteak stance

shrewd kiln
#

People can eat their food how they want

daring lake
#

You are all heretics!

shrewd kiln
#

Nuh uh

slate valley
rain radish
#

Sauce can save a bad steak.

#

But more importantly I want Chunks IRL

silent plank
orchid ferry
#

I think the disgrace is just eating a well done steak. Lol

silver eagle
orchid ferry
near slate
#

I like my steak barely cooked thank you

trim tendon
rigid kiln
#

Mod fight! mod fight!

scenic loom
high copper
scenic loom
solemn bough
#

Butt kraken at it again

silver eagle
#

Look, I just like my steak to resemble chewy beef jerky, thats all

desert zinc
silver eagle
desert zinc
scenic loom
#

Aah, so meat chunks that are well done are part of SF lore, intriguing PanDarkHiya

desert zinc
scenic loom
crimson cobalt
#

would it make sense for there to be a separate type of hacking mini game for computers and the like? Or does the world suggest digipicking is used for everything?

rain radish
#

I like to think legal digikeys are like IRL Keyfobs/Authenticators

#

Ours are less than legal and are used to crack thinks

solemn bough
#

yoo

still apex
#

It's done cooking but it's definitely not "well done" lol

#

Medium Rare or Bust

orchid ferry
#

I enjoy it still mooing.

slate valley
spark pawn
#

I like mine charcoal honestly

#

With a little bit of sauce

scenic loom
#

hmmm, been wondering
I guess its safe to say that once you become Starboi-man/woman... is age no longer a thing for us
and we only die upon getting killed and not by old age?

peak halo
#

As the universe experiencing itself through itself (in a more true sense than IRL), makes sense you would be immortal

silk lotus
#

I mean I think the keeper came back 20-30 years before the games start. I think people would notice if he stopped aging.

#

Oh wait, enhance is a thing too. Can't take appearance into consideration then.

#

At the same time thought the emissary has also been through hundreds of worlds and still looks as young as the last time we saw their other variants.

inner raft
#

Do we know if Starborn die when they are killed or they just get yeeted to another universe?

#

If they just get yeeted, it would make a lot more sense why these Starborn are suicidally aggressive.

astral walrus
#

Yup. Dust to dust

inner raft
astral walrus
#

No, we die technically

scenic loom
astral walrus
#

When we first enter the Unity multiple paths are split off and we inhabit one of them

inner raft
#

Sure, I guess you might technically die the first time you go through Unity, but the you at any given moment probably believes in the continuity of their consciousness. If this continuity is completely halted by getting killed while being a Starborn, it makes no sense that the other Starborn are so willing to fight against fellow Starborn who have a high chance of being just as strong if not stronger than them.

astral walrus
#

Have you encountered Evil You yet?

inner raft
#

no

astral walrus
#

Or All Factions You?

inner raft
#

I've met the miner non-Starborn version of you in one parallel universe tho and took them around

astral walrus
scenic loom
#

one of the reasons why i havent done the Unity stuff in months now is coz i always liked the idea that if you leave the universe you are "born" in, all the experience you had is all gone and even if you move onto the next "life" tho its still "you", its no longer the you that you were but something more

and that makes me feel like our original life is dead and gone
cant say i like the feeling

so im gonna stick to just sticking to the universe im in, until i decide to do a Starborn run one day

astral walrus
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Whats weird then is if you have the Kids Stuff trait... Your "parents" know you

inner raft
inner raft
astral walrus
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Yes... Me too. Or just me being starborn in general

inner raft
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Same

scenic loom
astral walrus
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Just shows how half-arsed the starborn storyline really is

daring lake
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The reason that the Hunter does not instantly attack you is because "You" never made
it this far before. It is something new to him, and he wants to see what new things may
happen. He is fascinated and engaged by what for him is utterly unique.

scenic loom
inner raft
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You can't survive long like this

astral walrus
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Whats weird too about that is when he always meets up with the Emmisary... Isnt the Emissary originally from our universe or is it someone else from elsewhere...,?

daring lake
inner raft
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IDK what the guardians are supposed to be, but I'm talking any other Starborn. You're telling me all of them are willing to risk their life when they could much more easily coast by with their immortal lifespans?

astral walrus
inner raft
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None of them have like ideological reasons to put their life at risk

daring lake
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I guess so OMEGA

inner raft
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Most of them are just out for themselves. There's no sense in fighting another Starborn unless you're sure of your victory.

astral walrus
daring lake
unborn patio
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Quasi immortality seems the most likely outcome for being a star born

inner raft
astral walrus
inner raft
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it's just not really supported by the picture we got from emissary and hunter

daring lake
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And yet that "cult" appears to exist. It may not have been something sudden either.
The Trader made her decision to step back from it all. Others, that we don't see/meet
may also have done the same. We just don't know 🙂

inner raft
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Being immortal makes a lot more sense, especially when Starborn are willing to just be pulled through dimensions to act as clone backup into random warzones

astral walrus
daring lake
inner raft
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Starborn should generally be far more intelligent and rational than desperate pirates

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Pirates are desperate because they need cash, Starborn don't need much of anything

daring lake
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Still human at the core 🙂

inner raft
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Being "human" isn't the same, because the human experience is different between pirates and Starborn. Rich privileged snobs don't act the same as fast food workers.

daring lake
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So, how about a pirate who becomes Starborn? My point is that each Starborn was
a person with their own unique background. The question that is asked in-game about
whether becoming Starborn would change a person, perhaps losing what they were, is
an open one I feel.

astral walrus
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Youre absolutely right Mateo

daring lake
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Oi! 😄

inner raft
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Pirates who strike it rich probably aren't as willing to get into the middle of a firefight any more. I mean some of them might be, but reaching the Unity and exploring the temples acts as a selection bias for who becomes Starborn.

astral walrus
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So the nameless that rush you are more of the Hunter-like. The Trader/Keeper is neither. And the Emmisary and their followers just exist...

daring lake
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I always see the Emissary as Sarah. Always too happy to judge 🙂

astral walrus
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@potent sand

potent sand
inner raft
astral walrus
daring lake
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Agree. But then he is also a bit of ||expletive deleted||

astral walrus
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Like your first time at the lodge when you got away from him.

inner raft
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Given that Starborn are at very least biologically immortal, there'd be more Starborn that are good survivors than reckless Starborn, said Starborn would get filtered pretty quickly.

astral walrus
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There probably are... But that part of the story hasn't been shown to us

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The Trader is the closest good survivor we've met so far

keen spear
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I wouldn't mind having dlc portray more starborn as giving up on the hunt for artifacts and unity. It'd be fun for an expansion to find a chill settlement of starborn

faint cave
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If we accidentally bring an entire star station with us to the unity, does that mean all of them become Starborn? At least the ones who accept their unity self's offer?

keen spear
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Building the largest M class ship just to bring thousands through unity

torn zodiac
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Not sure that would work? I had the impression that you had to have at minimum touched an Artifact, and more likely have to have been the first to touch one, in order to become Starborn

tiny pelican
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Does anyone find it odd that there is no weapons workbench that i can find in the Mantis lair? Seems like something they would need. Maybe a hidden room?

astral walrus
manic igloo
daring lake
inner raft
keen spear
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People want their bat cave

tiny pelican
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I dont need it per say. It just seems odd to me. Not to mention the wierd science equipment. 🙂

daring lake
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I'm just leaving the place right now. And everthing else except a weapons workbench.
For some reason the Razorleaf is on the pad, even though it is part of my fleet.

jaunty ginkgo
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https://images.ctfassets.net/rporu91m20dc/3CshvaU4wMIkCP7stA7w4s/6d319246a467b948ba2046db887406f7/Starfield_LargeHero_ShatteredSpaceTrailer.png?fm=webp&fit=fill&h=870&w=1920 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720968174413152276/1281278378372108381/circle.png?ex=66db22fa&is=66d9d17a&hm=ae68f2ab6cf80f137bd980538a5a35e5d6a018f0e9ebc440ed26c9adbb6a1eaa& I just noticed this sort of enveloping lines circling the center of the image (direction marked in white), is this just due to technique in the drawing?

scenic loom
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maybe some kind of barrier?

delicate hazel
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the rocks on the left sort of follow the same pattern

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the closest to the bottom are pointing out and away from the magical sphere of doom
and the ones more out there are pointing more towards up and even towards the doom sphere

novel sparrow
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Those rocks are just in the circle pointing clock wise if you look from above

scenic loom
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oooh, so are we messing with... time? sasihmmm

turbid hazel
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What is NG+?

proper canopy
silk lotus
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I wonder if it would be possible for a ship shield generator to be applied to a military base/building or even a mech?

broken flower
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Mech might need the reactor attached as well, and then would probably need ship engines to move

tiny pelican
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Question: what the hack is Nishina scanning you for and what are you " clear" of when they do? They dont care about anything ive carried. Camera, recording equipment of some kind? Possible pathogens? Anybody got anu ideas?

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wind sail
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Probably just any recording equipment, or maybe it's just standard procedure

slate valley
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Maybe checking for bounties - they tell you security is to keep them safe from pirates because of how remote they are.

tiny pelican
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Interesting. Thank you.

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Anybody else take a closer look at the sketches on the wall of the unity pilgrims home? Very interesting. I have my own ideas of what it means but would like confirmation. It is difficult to read a few of them.

dusky mural
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How many people are there

rigid kiln
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3

fallen kiln
tiny pelican
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So i was reading it correctly. I took it mean the pilgrim was the or one of the original creators.

leaden gale
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The Pilgrim isn't an original creator. He's just old. But he's never been in the ancient past. He talks about that himself in his journals. He couldn't ask the past folks with starborn iconography.

dark mortar
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What doesnt make sense to me is that there are buildings on every planet and moon. Yet most are abandoned. Why? What happened?

Why was just a random building made, and not a city? Especially on planets that have animals, water, plants etc.

Also why do i have to survey each planet if humans had already been there and built things. Like wouldnt the survey already been done? When u land on the planet it already tells you the resources, and number of plants and animals. So why exactly are we surveying it again?

daring lake
# dark mortar What doesnt make sense to me is that there are buildings on every planet and moo...

Firstly, there are quite a few systems with no buildings, and a couple of systems
that have only one or two.
The next bit is partly down to the in-game lore concerning the history of the settled
systems. The Armistice between the UC and FC forbids expansion/colonisation of
worlds outside the boundaries set for each government.
So, not only no new cities but also not enough people to populate them

There was also an agreement to scale back the standing military forces of each.
This left many facilties, military and civilian empty and redundant

The last imo is down to a mix of gameplay design plus no single central survey archive.
Our ships equipment gets quite a bit of info in the initial scan. Improve the players
scanning ability and the information becomes more detailed and quicker to obtain

dark mortar
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Thank you!

cobalt saffron
tiny pelican
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So howd he get the sketches of rhe symbols armor and Gaurdian? Connect the dots for me?

leaden gale
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he saw art and artifacts with the circles and copied them

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the same way we have art of ancient cultures we've never witnessed.

tiny pelican
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He makes atleast one remark about " what have i done" . But hes the one that went to different houses ( varuun, enlighten and so on) and left clues with them on how to find him?

leaden gale
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Yeah. That's not the ancient past. He directly states he can't ask the ancient people about their iconography and laments that.

round charm
proud atlas
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You can get that ending in-game

||You have to push him, but before going on the attack, you agree to let him go for the sake of the employees||

placid forum
peak halo
karmic gale
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If I were in Victor's shoes and see a future of earth's destruction because of the flaw in the grav drives, I would've just make the grav drive that doesn't have any flaws. Otherwise, blood would be on my hands like Victor's. Even if Earth died anyway, I wouldn't be the one to destroy earth. And honestly, without destroying Earth by making flawed grav drives, the Settled System would still exist, but not exactly the same as the Settled System we see in the game. If Earth is destined to be destroyed, then it would've been destroyed without the grav drive flaw.

cobalt saffron
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sorry, no, i'm wrong

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I've just done unearthed. He met himself who showed him what the starborn were and what would happen to earth as a result of discovering the artifact. It was a choice - design a grav drive and doom earth or keep earth intact and forget about the grav drive

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Eventually, when it was too late, his assistant made adjustments to the grav drive that wouldn't affect magnetospheres in future

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His alt self didn't tell him how the grav drives affected the magnetosphere, just that the discovery of the grav drive would lead to earth's atmosphere being stripped away

hard salmon
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He likely either met himself as a Starborn or the Unity appeared to him for some reason.

cobalt saffron
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He met himself as a starborn

hard salmon
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The big question is how that Victor became Starborn. Unless he just happened to be from an alternate universe where they invented interstellar travel much sooner.

cobalt saffron
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The grav drive was the key to victor becoming starborn. He had to invent it so he could find the artiacts

hard salmon
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Right but our Victor talks about it like the mathematics involved are lightyears ahead of current technology.

cobalt saffron
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Time travel can really screw you up if you think about it too hard

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At the end of the day, he was a selfish so and so

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who only cared about becoming starborn and was willing to fool his assistants to do so

astral walrus
karmic gale
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Victor knew the flaws of the grav drives. He didn't bother to build the ones that fixes the problem before Earth would fall victim to the grav drives' side effects.

leaden gale
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I think it's obscenely generous to assume that that victor even began to understand how grav drives worked or why.

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other victor basically had him write it down

fallen kiln
# cobalt saffron its a paradox thing. His future self has *always* showed his past self the equat...

Doesn't have to be. OG Victor touches the artifact, gets a "normal" artifact vision, studies the artifact and learns how to make a grav drive. It maybe takes him a lot longer than in "our" world. Eventually he takes to space in a grav drive enabled ship, finds the other artifacts and visits Unity.

Subsequently: Starborn Victor finds a way to enter the artifact vision of the version of himself in the new universe. He explains how to make the grav drive. New Victor creates the drive in a much shorter time and kills himself, and so never becomes Starborn, but that doesn't matter because OG Victor keeps spawning in new Universes, much as the Hunter does, even if you kill him.

Totally ignores the question of why OG Victor wanted to devastate Earth, of course, but it needn't be a paradox. It just needs a second temporal dimension.

jaunty ginkgo
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Huh, the whispers in the beginning of Shattered Space trailer is subtitled. It gives plenty of context

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Oh it has been discussed, nvm

potent vigil
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Starfield doesn't really have strong lore, i would place it on the same tier as call of duty

inner raft
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to be fair, i would argue that IRL lore is probably way deeper than any video game lore, so since call of duty is (i think? i never played the story mode) based on irl, it's got very deep lore Bigbrain

potent vigil
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@normal mulch is a lore master

normal mulch
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so true

static sky
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Victor / hunter / pilgrim / keeper = all the same dude, in that order

karmic gale
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I wish we get to restore Earth.

silk lotus
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We hear victors voice and he sounds nothing like the hunter / keeper A.

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All we know is the hunter lived on earth before becoming starborn.

undone nacelle
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Like mee

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Also how did grav jumping tear apart earth but it's fine everywhere else

fallen kiln
leaden gale
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i don't think victor is the hunter.

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but i hope i'm wrong

fallen kiln
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The fun one is the Pilgrim. His notes suggest he was alive thousands of years before Earth's death. (And also that there was at least one Temple on Earth, which is interesting).

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So Victor can't have been the Pilgrim. Unless there's some time travel in the pipeline. I kind of hope there isn't.

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But there's certainly a loose variable we've not accounted for as yet

daring lake
leaden gale
fallen kiln
leaden gale
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I interpreted that three isn't indigenous to earth. Just humies on another planet. I don't have a good excuse for eight.

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It doesnn't make any sense if he's literally time traveling because then the Hunter would always just always collect all artifacts before any starborn is spawned and then go to the unity.

fallen kiln
fallen kiln
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I'm tending towards the Pilgrim not being the same as the Hunter/Keeper, but someone whose writings they discovered

undone nacelle
leaden gale
fallen kiln
leaden gale
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As Captain Myeong said, the galaxy is a big place and it's not likely you're ever going to meet her again.

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People come and go. Worlds on their own are massive, now imagine solar systems inside of galaxies. it would be obscenely easy to crash land on a planet and lose everything.

undone nacelle
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However, one country did manage to send a fighter jet possessed by a demon to space before the collapse

It was a modified f-15 strike eagle...

undone nacelle
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And even the one above Paradiso, nobody at that resort cares about data from a bygone era, so that data would ultimately be lost, the ships during the crucible would be completely lost as with the one that never left earth

leaden gale
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Hell. There are stoneage peoples on earth today.
Right this very moment.

fallen kiln
# leaden gale As Captain Myeong said, the galaxy is a big place and it's not likely you're eve...

OK,, but consider: One early colony ship lands way outside of the Settled Systems radius, reverts to a primitive tribal structure, manages to nevertheless support a stable population; forms a village aroudn a temple that isn;t in the game; lives there ofr long enough for it's iconographty to steep into the culture, and then long enough for the Pilgrim to live among them and learn from their insights into the temple.

That sounds like a lot to fit into 200 years.

leaden gale
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Docc, my friend, the temples are never in the same places when you cross the unity.

fallen kiln
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And the Pilgrim's notes are Old when we find them in Pilgrim's Rest, so that further compresses the time scale

undone nacelle
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And even with established colonys data would be lost or corrupted as older servers failed, it's possible most data and knowledge from earth's time is already gone

leaden gale
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Considering his tennements, I don't thinnk they're very old at all.

fallen kiln
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Assuming it's not on Earth, which is kind of the point

leaden gale
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That's just a plothole. like how if you skip the story you can send constellation to gather artifacts for you. because they touched them first, you shouldn't be able to upgrade your powers: but you still can.

undone nacelle
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do you even know how much history was lost in ww2 now imagine the two space wars and how much was lost in that

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I wish Could destroy the artifacts and stop anybody from going through

fallen kiln